The Autopsy

[TooDarnTired]

I was doing lots of reading and learned quite a few things I never knew before...

The brain had to be soaked in formaldehyde for a few weeks to harden it before actually doing the forensic nitty gritty examination.

By examining the brain ...they can find out how many prior overdoses and when approx they occurred.

I found that fascinating.........

I am including the link...but WARNING GRAPHIC AUTOPSY PHOTOS

http://books.google.com/books?id=KMfs_ezuWdMC&pg=PA19&lpg=PA19&dq=forensic+brain+examination+autopsy&source=bl&ots=Lr23RzBv3H&sig=poaAlIXXS9-IbutY_YzBZSyv73o&hl=en&ei=wr1tSvz9OpWKNLeX_fgG&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1

[BOZGAL2]

Thanx for the link TDT

Very fascinating indeed.

[vonna]

Good article TDT. It will probably be more difficult in this case because according to EMT he was dead when they arrived but he was not pronounced officially dead until 2:26PM that afternoon and then taken to the coroner. The autopsy wasn't started until the next morning. :angry:

The 911 call was placed at 12:21PM and the storage unit contents were removed at 9:22AM so I believe it should be somewhere in between 9AM (that he was discovered dead) so I agree with your guestimate of 3 hours or possibly longer; at least before 911 was called. JMO

After the strenuous practicing he did - it's difficult for me to understand why Michael wanting an injection to put him to sleep. How said this is what happened.

[VC2]

athena, from your comment in the closed thread...the reason fluids can help is because it increases blood pressure during resuscitation attempts, low blood pressure is one lethal side effect of diprivan. It also is a way to get multiple medications used in the attempts into the body quickly. We have no way of knowing if it was a few minutes or hours, and we also have no way of knowing if the statement by his attorney was correct, he found a thready femoral pulse. Then fluids are a norm, for all sorts of reasons.

As far as an empty bag goes, whether or not it is empty doesn't tell you anything, it is if the thumbwheel valve is open or closed You can have an empty bag in a patient with no problem so long as you closed the valve before there was nothing in the actual line. It looks like a little wheelie grip that as you turn crushes the line closed. It can be moved up on the line or close to hand depending on if you will be sitting or standing.

here is a picture: http://jjgeisler.com/reeftank/iv_drip_system.htm

[retiredcop]

I was doing lots of reading and learned quite a few things I never knew before...

The brain had to be soaked in formaldehyde for a few weeks to harden it before actually doing the forensic nitty gritty examination.

By examining the brain ...they can find out how many prior overdoses and when approx they occurred.

I found that fascinating.........

I am including the link...but WARNING GRAPHIC AUTOPSY PHOTOS

http://books.google.com/books?id=KMfs_ezuWdMC&pg=PA19&lpg=PA19&dq=forensic+brain+examination+autopsy&source=bl&ots=Lr23RzBv3H&sig=poaAlIXXS9-IbutY_YzBZSyv73o&hl=en&ei=wr1tSvz9OpWKNLeX_fgG&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1

Very interesting and informative link. Thanks TDT.

in my opinion

[retiredcop]

I was just reading that California

"California, the code of civil procedure denies public access to autopsy reports. Autopsy records in the remaining states are generally open"

http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:E4Sk8jGYLqMJ:www.pathology.ufl.edu/~resident/webfiles/archive/Issue2_files/page0004.htm+California+autopsy+report+photos+publ ic+record&cd=15&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Although I am not aware of any California Public Records Act case on point, the United States Supreme Court recently interpreted a similar provision in the federal Freedom of Information Act (Exemption 7(C)) to provide privacy rights that were held by the deceased's family. The case is National Archives and Records Administration v. Favish, 541 U.S. __ (2004), and the opinion was unanimous

http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:EBzD7F0SrMMJ:www.cfac.org/Lawyers/hotline_autopsy_public_official.htm+California+aut opsy+report+photos+public+record&cd=9&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

So CA doesn't have to release the Autopsy reports? I wonder if we are going to get the entire report or just the toxicology results.

I take it the family can request the autopsy report not be released. Bummer, I've never seen this before in any other states. Usually public record outweighs the family's wishes.

in my opinion

[aproudmom]

http://www.cnn.com/video/flashLive/live.html?stream=stream3

at Dr Murrays home

[retiredcop]

http://www.cnn.com/video/flashLive/live.html?stream=stream3

at Dr Murrays home

Is this happening now? I can't get anything to play.

in my opinion

[mrsmcgoo]

I have a feeling that MJ was dead for hours before the 911 call took place, that would explain why CPR was done on the bed. Dr Murray already knew he wasn't coming back. I hope the exact time of death can be determined.

I also believe that it will be a combination of drugs that caused MJ's death, not one drug.

All, just my opinion.

[Firehead11]

Thank you. If any of this is true, it's answered the question I've asked several times about whether or not Michael had enough hair growth to test the hair for long term Diprivan use (as some of the talking heads have claimed will happen). (I'm not trying to be insensitive about his hair loss. I just want to know).

Hopefully other tests will provide an accurate depiction of past and long term drug use. Like some other posters, I believe the cumulative effects of long term use of a combination of different drugs may have caused that final dose of Diprivan to kill him. imo


That autopsy report was printed 4 days after Jackson's death. I doubt if much will be collaberated with the 2 autopsies that have been performed.

[Firehead11]

Good morning Firehead11,

I should have put the IF ANY is bold caps, but I was afraid someone would think I was yelling :biggrin:


NP. I did the same thing when Anna Nicole Smith died. I kept the "Star" and compared it to the autopsy report. Was very much different.

[retiredcop]

I think the coroner is having trouble with the cause and manner of death. If that was already determined, why not release the report? Investigations and charges can and have gone on well after the release of an autopsy report.

just my opinion only

[retiredcop]

According to the local news, they are waiting for the chief of police to return from vacation.

Oh Geez!! I guess he can't decide when he will return from vacation since they keep putting off the release for a week at a time.

in my opinion

[vonna]

I don't think so Arguendo. Just yesterday they said they probably would release it next week (and Bratton is due to return next week) but now they are not even giving an estimated date. I don't think they have finished the investigation yet and will not release it until everything is done. :shrug:

I don't think they will release the autopsy report until they gather all the evidence they need against Dr. Murray.

[disneyfreak]

I don't think so Arguendo. Just yesterday they said they probably would release it next week (and Bratton is due to return next week) but now they are not even giving an estimated date. I don't think they have finished the investigation yet and will not release it until everything is done. :shrug:
That's what I've been thinking too Athena. In some cases they will not release the entire autopsy until after trial, so I don't think we'll be seeing that for a while if the DA decides to charge Murray. (For example the LA Coroner didn't release the autopsies of Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown during the trial).

[RootBeer]

I just knew we would never see the autopsy report. :angry: