7/24, 7/25

[Sun]

It's going to be interesting to see if Conway is able to turn over the documents that are due to the State, before the court hearing scheduled for today. Will he be able to convince Cindy and George to "produce" or will we see them all in court? Do you suppose that they would risk being a "no show"? I do not see Conway as having control of his clients, Cindy and George. He tends to be using too many excuses for them.

[Bala]

If Cindy and George fail to appear will the judge issue a bench warrant for them. I'd love to see LE taking them out of their house in cuffs. Could you image Cindy's indignation?

[desmom]

It's going to be interesting to see if Conway is able to turn over the documents that are due to the State, before the court hearing scheduled for today. Will he be able to convince Cindy and George to "produce" or will we see them all in court? Do you suppose that they would risk being a "no show"? I do not see Conway as having control of his clients, Cindy and George. He tends to be using too many excuses for them.

I don't buy their story their computer was broke. I think most folks, well this folk anyway, would be quick to respond to a subpoena.

Will they produce the documents in question? I think they will hand over as little as possible. I predict Cindy will either throw them on the desk with attitude or white knuckle them as she hands them over. :lol:

jmo

[jammies]

We have a court hearing today?

dang, I'm more behind than I thought!

morning, everyone....

[desmom]

We have a court hearing today?

dang, I'm more behind than I thought!

morning, everyone....

If the A's don't turn over the documents this morning to the State, there will be a hearing at 1:30 p.m. today.

What if the documents requested do not have anything to do with Casey's case? Could the A's be under investigation? jmo

[Sun]

We have a court hearing today?

dang, I'm more behind than I thought!

morning, everyone....

Good morning. The court hearing was just announced yesterday afternoon. Casey will not be present.

It seems that Cindy and George failed to "produce" documents that the State had subpoened from them, and this hearing is before Judge Strickland today. Conway has indicated that the documents would be turned over to the State this morning, and that the hearing would not be necessary.

[sully]

If their computer is broken then they should be ale to produce a copy of the repair bill. Computers don't fix themselves.

I'm sure they'll just say Lee fixed it and it took awhile cause he was out of town parking cars!!:laugh:

[Sun]

If the A's don't turn over the documents this morning to the State, there will be a hearing at 1:30 p.m. today.

What if the documents requested do not have anything to do with Casey's case? Could the A's be under investigation? jmo

I'm thinking that this has to be related to Casey's case, simply because Judge Strickland is being asked to hear this.

I would like to think that the investigation has never stopped, as to who might be involved in the death of Caylee. I am getting very very curious as to the fact that DCasey seems to be on his second attorney, and so far has managed to duck a depo, and seems to have gone underground.

[jammies]

Good morning. The court hearing was just announced yesterday afternoon. Casey will not be present.

It seems that Cindy and George failed to "produce" documents that the State had subpoened from them, and this hearing is before Judge Strickland today. Conway has indicated that the documents would be turned over to the State this morning, and that the hearing would not be necessary.


Thanks, Sun. These people just DON'T have it in them to do the right thing. :rolleyes:

[bchand]

If the A's don't turn over the documents this morning to the State, there will be a hearing at 1:30 p.m. today.

What if the documents requested do not have anything to do with Casey's case? Could the A's be under investigation? jmo

Although WFTV was the last local site to post the news about the hearing, they said:

The State Attorney's Office wants a judge to force George and Cindy to provide more information about their daughter.

http://www.wftv.com/news/20158664/detail.html

(I'm sticking to my theory that it's about the $$ for her defense. )

[bchand]

One can only hope. Maybe THAT was what the big meeting of the minds was about?


ETA, thanks for the info on the hearing, des.

I was reading a bit over at the CMA foundation site last night and noticed they announced they "may" be planning a vigil on Caylee's birthday.

I don't understand that, except maybe they're looking for more ways to bring in the $$$.

Could have been a planning meeting?

[desmom]

Although WFTV was the last local site to post the news about the hearing, they said:

The State Attorney's Office wants a judge to force George and Cindy to provide more information about their daughter.

http://www.wftv.com/news/20158664/detail.html

(I'm sticking to my theory that it's about the $$ for her defense. )


Thanks for the link. I must have missed that part of the article. :seeya:

[jammies]

I was reading a bit over at the CMA foundation site last night and noticed they announced they "may" be planning a vigil on Caylee's birthday.

I don't understand that, except maybe they're looking for more ways to bring in the $$$.

Could have been a planning meeting?


Why a vigil NOW? Vigil means "to watch". I can understand when someone is MISSING, but Caylee has been found.

Any vigil the A's have would only be for money because it's NEVER been about looking (watching) for Caylee. It's a way to get the focus back on THEM. Another advertising moment for the A's. :cursing:

[Sun]

They sure don't! But IMO there has to be a big reason. Cindy is all about appearances, but their puzzling behavior has got to be covering something.
I think they have to stay together because if they separate they can't keep their stories straight.
They both requested immunity right after a dead Caylee was found. I think it was somewhere between the crab puffs and the filet. Their accomplice/soon to be victim attorney was right there.

IMO they can't do the right thing because ALL of them will be in jail if they do.

With the Discovery that I've seen so far, I'm convinced that Casey was responsible for the death and disposal of Caylee. I also have some concerns that either George or Cindy knew about the death and that they have done things to coverup the death and Casey's part in it.

I hope that the next doc dump will be soon!

[Barbara fl.]

If the A's don't turn over the documents this morning to the State, there will be a hearing at 1:30 p.m. today.

What if the documents requested do not have anything to do with Casey's case? Could the A's be under investigation? jmo



Good morning all,

Does anyone have any idea's as to what Cindy and George are supposed to turn over? I would love to know what they are holding back.....

They have got to realize by now that nothing is going to save Casey....

[JHP]

With the Discovery that I've seen so far, I'm convinced that Casey was responsible for the death and disposal of Caylee. I also have some concerns that either George or Cindy knew about the death and that they have done things to coverup the death and Casey's part in it.

I hope that the next doc dump will be soon!

Thank-you Sun for bring my reply over. I do think it was Casey alone that killed Caylee:angry:. However I think it's a possibility that Cindy knew she was gone as early as June 15 and started her cover mode then.
Because no-one has told even remotely the truth I'm not sure the whole story will ever be known.

[Barbara fl.]

I was reading a bit over at the CMA foundation site last night and noticed they announced they "may" be planning a vigil on Caylee's birthday.

I don't understand that, except maybe they're looking for more ways to bring in the $$$.

Could have been a planning meeting?



Your right, maybe their cash flow is getting a little thin.....The case hasen't been on the media for a couple of weeks (at least not the way it was before)...And we know how the Anthony's love publicity...:sneaky:

[Sun]

Good morning all,

Does anyone have any idea's as to what Cindy and George are supposed to turn over? I would love to know what they are holding back.....

They have got to realize by now that nothing is going to save Casey....

The State isn't saying, and neither is Conway. As least not yet. If the hearing happens today, I do believe that we will get to hear what this is all about. If it doesn't, we may never know.

IMO, Cindy and George are going to become even more uncooperative than ever before.

[Bala]

I'm not sure that they're covering for Casey anymore. I think the writings on the wall and they know Baez is going to point the finger at them. Casey know all about what they did to cover for her and may be getting ready to use it against them. I would think anything in the computer prior to Casey's arrest the States Attorney already has. Cindy and George may be trying to cover their own butts now.

[Barbara fl.]

Thank-you Sun for bring my reply over. I do think it was Casey alone that killed Caylee:angry:. However I think it's a possibility that Cindy knew she was gone as early as June 15 and started her cover mode then.
Because no-one has told even remotely the truth I'm not sure the whole story will ever be known.


I don't believe they knew that Caylee was deceased....but I do believe they prepared themselves for the worst.....Because the first and last time that anyone heard any frantic in their voice was on the 911 call from Cindy....immediately there after the whole family went into the cover up mode and forgot all about little Caylee.....

[Barbara fl.]

The State isn't saying, and neither is Conway. As least not yet. If the hearing happens today, I do believe that we will get to hear what this is all about. If it doesn't, we may never know.

IMO, Cindy and George are going to become even more uncooperative than ever before.


I totally agree....(If it's possible for them to become more uncooperative) :laugh:

[Pruddennce]

I'm thinking that this has to be related to Casey's case, simply because Judge Strickland is being asked to hear this.

I would like to think that the investigation has never stopped, as to who might be involved in the death of Caylee. I am getting very very curious as to the fact that DCasey seems to be on his second attorney, and so far has managed to duck a depo, and seems to have gone underground.

I agree. The investigation, IMO has never stopped. We have not yet seen Mark Hawkins statement. IMO, there are quite a few more skelllyyytons in the A's closet that led up to Casey doing harm to Caylee.

their arrogance is their downfall.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[spiritwolf46]

Good morning. The court hearing was just announced yesterday afternoon. Casey will not be present.

It seems that Cindy and George failed to "produce" documents that the State had subpoened from them, and this hearing is before Judge Strickland today. Conway has indicated that the documents would be turned over to the State this morning, and that the hearing would not be necessary.

Good morning all.

Ya know, how hard is it to comply with the State??? These people are so horrible, they think that they can get away with this, too?

I hope they don't and do not show and the Judge goes after them with a warrant! Maybe that would teach them that they are not in charge of this case! Oh man, listen to that last sentence. SHAME ON ME! Of COURSE it won't teach them anything! :cursing:

ETA: What time is the hearing if there will be one? TIA!

[Sun]

Thank-you Sun for bring my reply over. I do think it was Casey alone that killed Caylee:angry:. However I think it's a possibility that Cindy knew she was gone as early as June 15 and started her cover mode then.
Because no-one has told even remotely the truth I'm not sure the whole story will ever be known.


I believe that there was an unhealthy atmosphere of jealously between Cindy, George and Casey, over Caylee. Just as Casey broke off her engagement with Jesse, over thinking that he loved Caylee more than her. I think that Casey's possessive feelings over Caylee, and her jealousy drove Casey to kill Caylee.

I've picked out a few statements made by Casey and Cindy, that give me something to ponder. I'm sure that LE have investigated, and we are going to learn a bit more come time of trial.

[Sun]

If anyone hears updates on today's court hearing, please let us all know.

[vagal]

Good morning all..Was wondering if someone could post any link as to where this might be live streamed so that I may save it. I think the hearing (if it goes on) is at 1:30 Eastern time...Correct???

[Sun]

I agree. The investigation, IMO has never stopped. We have not yet seen Mark Hawkins statement. IMO, there are quite a few more skelllyyytons in the A's closet that led up to Casey doing harm to Caylee.

their arrogance is their downfall.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

We haven't seen Mallory's statement either, have we?

[bchand]

Good morning all..Was wondering if someone could post any link as to where this might be live streamed so that I may save it. I think the hearing (if it goes on) is at 1:30 Eastern time...Correct???

Hi vagal. We don't know IF the hearing will occur or not or if it does, whether it will be live streamed but keep an eye on the thread for updates.

[jammies]

I'm not sure that they're covering for Casey anymore. I think the writings on the wall and they know Baez is going to point the finger at them. Casey know all about what they did to cover for her and may be getting ready to use it against them. I would think anything in the computer prior to Casey's arrest the States Attorney already has. Cindy and George may be trying to cover their own butts now.



I have no doubt that Casey will throw her parents under the bus but not sure how this will help her MURDER defense. That they drove her to do it?

[Sun]

I totally agree....(If it's possible for them to become more uncooperative) :laugh:

I wonder if Cindy has ever turned over to the State the addresses/phone numbers that she "said" that she had for the nanny?

[Bala]

Mallory is the one person in all of this that totally baffles me. Why is she still there? Why hasn't her mother lock her in the basement til the girl comes to her senses? What could she be thinking? RUN MALLORY RUN!!

[spiritwolf46]

I have no doubt that Casey will throw her parents under the bus but not sure how this will help her MURDER defense. That they drove her to do it?

Hiya Jammies! THAT would not surprise me a bit! It will not surpriseme if they do not use the "Casey lost her mind" due to her upbringing and then show all the lies and craziness that came out of the Ants! It is the only thing that they can do! There is no nanny and I am sure that with all the evidence that came out of that house, they will try the "feel sorry " for Casey type of thing. OR, will say it was one or both of the Ants that did it and Casey it taking the fall for it all.

[spiritwolf46]

I wonder if Cindy has ever turned over to the State the addresses/phone numbers that she "said" that she had for the nanny?

Sure she did, Sun! There is no doubt that she turned over an invisible phone directory to LE!

Man that woman is NUTS!

[bchand]

Mallory is the one person in all of this that totally baffles me. Why is she still there? Why hasn't her mother lock her in the basement til the girl comes to her senses? What could she be thinking? RUN MALLORY RUN!!

Unlikely since her parents seemed to be involved with the CMA foundation.

eta: At least her mother is.

[cassidy]

Mallory is the one person in all of this that totally baffles me. Why is she still there? Why hasn't her mother lock her in the basement til the girl comes to her senses? What could she be thinking? RUN MALLORY RUN!!


She totally baffles me too Bala. You would have thought she would long ago run as fast as she could from these people. Maybe she likes the drama? If she and Lee get married, which finger does she get to be?

[Sun]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0ySyXsxJnw&feature=PlayList&p=5C8B016433F1ADAA&index=25&playnext=6&playnext_from=PL

Casey seemed so combative and so focused on getting Tony's phone number. (she had just talked with Tony the morning before). Seems like she needed to talk with Tony, so that she could convince him of something. (maybe she wanted him to lie about picking her up at the Amscot where she parked the car). That testimony ties her directly to the car... the car that contained evidence of decomp.

[JHP]

I believe that there was an unhealthy atmosphere of jealously between Cindy, George and Casey, over Caylee. Just as Casey broke off her engagement with Jesse, over thinking that he loved Caylee more than her. I think that Casey's possessive feelings over Caylee, and her jealousy drove Casey to kill Caylee.

I've picked out a few statements made by Casey and Cindy, that give me something to ponder. I'm sure that LE have investigated, and we are going to learn a bit more come time of trial.

ITA The Unhealthyest! LE probably had to buy a new warehouse to store all the evidence. Which I have no doubt lots will come out at trial. Which unfortunately is going to be a ways off.

JMO

[Sun]

Hiya Jammies! THAT would not surprise me a bit! It will not surpriseme if they do not use the "Casey lost her mind" due to her upbringing and then show all the lies and craziness that came out of the Ants! It is the only thing that they can do! There is no nanny and I am sure that with all the evidence that came out of that house, they will try the "feel sorry " for Casey type of thing. OR, will say it was one or both of the Ants that did it and Casey it taking the fall for it all.

Lots of people grow up with less than desireable parents. That is no excuse for killing a child. Perhaps it could sway jurors in the death penalty phase.

[jammies]

Hiya Jammies! THAT would not surprise me a bit! It will not surpriseme if they do not use the "Casey lost her mind" due to her upbringing and then show all the lies and craziness that came out of the Ants! It is the only thing that they can do! There is no nanny and I am sure that with all the evidence that came out of that house, they will try the "feel sorry " for Casey type of thing. OR, will say it was one or both of the Ants that did it and Casey it taking the fall for it all.

Hi spirit! I see the prosecution making mincemeat of that argument, if they try it. Casey had the life of Riley. No bills, free rent, food, phone. Cindy paid for everything.....for her AND Caylee. Free babysitting. Casey wasn't even expected to work, was ALLOWED to steal from Cindy with no punishment, etc. etc. Cindy GAVE her credit cards. The list goes on and on how easy her life REALLY was.

just had a thought: I believe Cindy always knew Casey wasn't working. She played along with the game because she didn't want some stranger taking care of her grand-daughter. She went along with the pretend story that Casey actually worked so Caylee would be home and safe. (in her mind) (trying to put myself into Cindy's head here....arrrrgggh!)

[alisa31235]

We haven't seen Mallory's statement either, have we?

Good morning all... Who was the girl that Casey talked to the day she called and wanted Tony`s number the one that was very upset and Casey just kind of blew her off with a HUGE WASTE statement was she enterviewed by LE and I just missed it?

[Pruddennce]

I don't believe they knew that Caylee was deceased....but I do believe they prepared themselves for the worst.....Because the first and last time that anyone heard any frantic in their voice was on the 911 call from Cindy....immediately there after the whole family went into the cover up mode and forgot all about little Caylee.....

Casey exited the home abruptly the weekend of father's day. she didnt pack belongings for Caylee or for herself. she started sneaking back into the home that week to take things SHE needed for herself.

she made one attempt to stay away with Caylee, at Ricardo's on the 9th, which of course, IMO, that weekend holds alot of secrets...that weekend Cindy stayed one nite at her mother's house.

IMO, Cindy, George lied about what happened father's day weekend AND the weekend prior to that. that information would at minimum, point to a huge issue, which they chose to cover up from the inception of this event. Cindy did not tell 911 the truth when she called the first time. that call should have been about Caylee. not about a stolen vehicle and money.

IMO, once they smelled that car, they knew. carseat still there. as of July 3rd, Cindy knew Casey was local. I go back and forth about whether or not they had 'a feeling' something happened to Caylee as early as the week of June 15th. the truth of that last weekend, why she never came back with Caylee, has not been revealed. we are left with pretty good assumptions, IMO, since Cindy is a monumental liar, as well as George and Lee.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidene...*

[Zarina]

Hi vagal. We don't know IF the hearing will occur or not or if it does, whether it will be live streamed but keep an eye on the thread for updates.




Judge S says he must have papers by noon today.

I think this link will keep us updated

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/7/24/anthonys_may_be_back_in_court_today.html

[Sun]

Good morning all... Who was the girl that Casey talked to the day she called and wanted Tony`s number the one that was very upset and Casey just kind of blew her off with a HUGE WASTE statement was she enterviewed by LE and I just missed it?

I think that was Christina? Not sure of the spelling of her name. I've not re-listened to the witness statement for quite a while.

[cassidy]

Judge S says he must have papers by noon today.

I think this link will keep us updated

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/7/24/anthonys_may_be_back_in_court_today.html

Bet they get them there at 11:59 AM.. They just love to thumb their collective noses at the court.

JMO

[jammies]

Judge S says he must have papers by noon today.

I think this link will keep us updated

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/7/24/anthonys_may_be_back_in_court_today.html


from the link:


"Conway said he expects there will be no hearing today because the Anthonys will give the documents to prosecutors."


Ya mean Conway doesn't KNOW??? lol poor Brad.

[Sun]

Casey exited the home abruptly the weekend of father's day. she didnt pack belongings for Caylee or for herself. she started sneaking back into the home that week to take things SHE needed for herself.

she made one attempt to stay away with Caylee, at Ricardo's on the 9th, which of course, IMO, that weekend holds alot of secrets...that weekend Cindy stayed one nite at her mother's house.

IMO, Cindy, George lied about what happened father's day weekend AND the weekend prior to that. that information would at minimum, point to a huge issue, which they chose to cover up from the inception of this event. Cindy did not tell 911 the truth when she called the first time. that call should have been about Caylee. not about a stolen vehicle and money.

IMO, once they smelled that car, they knew. carseat still there. as of July 3rd, Cindy knew Casey was local. I go back and forth about whether or not they had 'a feeling' something happened to Caylee as early as the week of June 15th. the truth of that last weekend, why she never came back with Caylee, has not been revealed. we are left with pretty good assumptions, IMO, since Cindy is a monumental liar, as well as George and Lee.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidene...*

I tend to wonder just how often Cindy would pack her own bag and drive to Mr. Dora and stay with her mom. And whether it was due to fights with Casey or George, or just that her mom needed her help/support. I don't see that Cindy had a healthy relationship with either George or Casey.

[bchand]

Hearing Cancelled

http://www.wftv.com/news/20158664/detail.html

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- A hearing scheduled for Friday afternoon was cancelled after George and Cindy Anthony produced documents to the court.

George and Cindy avoided the hearing when their attorney Brad Conway turned over documents relating to their daughter’s murder trial Friday morning. Conway confirmed the documents were stored on the Anthonys’ computer.

[Sun]

http://www.wftv.com/news/20158664/detail.html

Hearing Cancelled As Anthonys Provide Documents
Posted: 4:54 pm EDT July 23, 2009
Updated: 9:47 am EDT July 24, 2009

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- A hearing scheduled for Friday afternoon was cancelled after George and Cindy Anthony produced documents to the court.

[jammies]

Hearing Cancelled

http://www.wftv.com/news/20158664/detail.html

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- A hearing scheduled for Friday afternoon was cancelled after George and Cindy Anthony produced documents to the court.

George and Cindy avoided the hearing when their attorney Brad Conway turned over documents relating to their daughter’s murder trial Friday morning. Conway confirmed the documents were stored on the Anthonys’ computer.


Puter docs. hmmm


eta, didn't they already check their computers? something they overlooked?


any ideas?

[margaritaville]

Good morning all,

Does anyone have any idea's as to what Cindy and George are supposed to turn over? I would love to know what they are holding back.....

They have got to realize by now that nothing is going to save Casey....

maybe all the receipts from Cindy's credit cards that Casey used from jun16th-jul 16th, Zanny's phone number and address Cindy claimed to have...moo

[bchand]

Puter docs. hmmm


eta, didn't they already check their computers? something they overlooked?


any ideas?

Guess we'll never know. My theory was that it had something to do with $$ for her defense and where it came from.

Anyone who would store it on their computer without making hard copies isn't too bright though.

Ok, that fits.

[cassidy]

Does this mean we don't get to know what documents they provided to the court?

[toadii]

Conway turned over evidence this morning so Cindy and George will not appear in court today

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/7/24/anthonys_may_be_back_in_court_today.html

[vagal]

Hearing Cancelled

http://www.wftv.com/news/20158664/detail.html

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- A hearing scheduled for Friday afternoon was cancelled after George and Cindy Anthony produced documents to the court.

George and Cindy avoided the hearing when their attorney Brad Conway turned over documents relating to their daughter’s murder trial Friday morning. Conway confirmed the documents were stored on the Anthonys’ computer.

Thanks bchand....And I was all ready to watch...Oh well back to my speghetti sauce...:rolleyes:

[bchand]

Thanks bchand....And I was all ready to watch...Oh well back to my speghetti sauce...:rolleyes:

yw - I hope you've made enough for all of us ! :drool:

[bchand]

Prosecutors want records of correspondence between George and Cindy Anthony and their private investigators, a source told the Orlando Sentinel.

<< snipped >>



Aha, finally a clue.

[cassidy]

Prosecutors want records of correspondence between George and Cindy Anthony and their private investigators, a source told the Orlando Sentinel.

It's unclear if that is what the Anthonys' attorney, Brad Conway, just turned over to the State Attorney's Office.

The State Attorney's Office would not reveal what they wanted from Casey Anthony's parents, but a source told the Sentinel prosecutors want documents related to the Anthonys' private investigators. The Anthonys have worked with two investigators -- Dominic Casey and Jim Hoover.

The State Attorney's Office had planned to ask Orange Circuit Judge Stan Strickland to force the Anthonys to produce the correspondence for the state's case against their daughter, Casey Anthony, according to spokespersons for the State Attorney's office and the court.

But that hearing was called off after Conway dropped off information to this morning at the State Attorney's Office.

Assistant State Attorney Linda Drane Burdick and Anthony family attorney Brad Conway notified Strickland this morning that the hearing would be canceled.

Brad Conway, lawyer for George and Cindy Anthony, said Thursday the couple simply hasn't been able to provide the documents in the time frame prosecutors wanted."The Anthonys have no problem providing the documentation the state has requested," Conway said Thursday.

Casey Anthony is being held in the Orange County Jail under an indictment for first-degree murder in the death of daughter Caylee Marie Anthony. The state is seeking the death penalty in the case.



Wonder how long they have been avoiding the request? And what they are so darned busy doing?

[jammies]

Wonder how long they have been avoiding the request? And what they are so darned busy doing?



deleting...

[Sun]

Prosecutors want records of correspondence between George and Cindy Anthony and their private investigators, a source told the Orlando Sentinel.

It's unclear if that is what the Anthonys' attorney, Brad Conway, just turned over to the State Attorney's Office.

The State Attorney's Office would not reveal what they wanted from Casey Anthony's parents, but a source told the Sentinel prosecutors want documents related to the Anthonys' private investigators. The Anthonys have worked with two investigators -- Dominic Casey and Jim Hoover.

The State Attorney's Office had planned to ask Orange Circuit Judge Stan Strickland to force the Anthonys to produce the correspondence for the state's case against their daughter, Casey Anthony, according to spokespersons for the State Attorney's office and the court.

But that hearing was called off after Conway dropped off information to this morning at the State Attorney's Office.

Assistant State Attorney Linda Drane Burdick and Anthony family attorney Brad Conway notified Strickland this morning that the hearing would be canceled.

Brad Conway, lawyer for George and Cindy Anthony, said Thursday the couple simply hasn't been able to provide the documents in the time frame prosecutors wanted.

"The Anthonys have no problem providing the documentation the state has requested," Conway said Thursday.

Casey Anthony is being held in the Orange County Jail under an indictment for first-degree murder in the death of daughter Caylee Marie Anthony. The state is seeking the death penalty in the case.

Ah ha! One of my suspicions was that this could surround DCasey's employment with them. DCasey is now on his second attorney, and has still managed to duck Morgan in the Civil Case (though I'm sure that Morgan is being careful to step lightly because of the Criminal Murder Case).

Perhaps the State wants to establish just when DCasey's employment began with them, and what it entailed. I would guess that the State could request this very same info from DCasey, and if there is a descrepency in what is turned over..... someone might have some 'splaining to do.

[bchand]

Ah ha! One of my suspicions was that this could surround DCasey's employment with them. DCasey is now on his second attorney, and has still managed to duck Morgan in the Civil Case (though I'm sure that Morgan is being careful to step lightly because of the Criminal Murder Case).

Perhaps the State wants to establish just when DCasey's employment began with them, and what it entailed. I would guess that the State could request this very same info from DCasey, and if there is a descrepency in what is turned over..... someone might have some 'splaining to do.

Wouldn't it be enlightening if the Anthonys were the ones who told DC NOT to call LE if he found the body and not Baez?

[jammies]

Wouldn't it be enlightening if the Anthonys were the ones who told DC NOT to call LE if he found the body and not Baez?



My suspicion all along, bc. Cindy's "Rock". gag

[Sun]

Wouldn't it be enlightening if the Anthonys were the ones who told DC NOT to call LE if he found the body and not Baez?

I recall in that LE/FBI interview, DCasey specifically said that it wasn't Cindy or George.... and then the tape cut off. Of course, we don't know who has been lying either.

If the State said that they wanted these documents for use at trial, then they will eventually become Discovery and be turned over to the defense... and thus the Sunshine Law will kick in and we may get to see the docs. :tonguewag:

[alisa31235]

Wonder how long they have been avoiding the request? And what they are so darned busy doing?

maybe they have been busy trying to figure out who hacked into Cindy`s e mail didn`y she say that one time :sneaky:

[sammy62]

Thanks bchand....And I was all ready to watch...Oh well back to my speghetti sauce...:rolleyes:

It really is hard to get those jars open. :tonguewag:

[Sun]

Since there is going to be no court hearing this afternoon, what we need is a doc dump.

[martha]

Good morning everyone,I was so hoping c and g would have to go to court today.ha, I know all of them want to keep this going on as long as they can because of the money. Maybe one day the money will dry up and they will have to get real jobs like most people do and work for a living and not live of their dead grandaughter. jmho

[gnm109]

I've not been following these threads very closely in recent weeks. Has a trial date been set yet?

To me, this doesn't seem to be a very complex case. They should get on with it so CA can get started on her life term without possibility of parole.

[cassidy]

I've not been following these threads very closely in recent weeks. Has a trial date been set yet?

To me, this doesn't seem to be a very complex case. They should get on with it so CA can get started on her life term without possibility of parole.

Looking at sometime in 2010.

[martha]

I've not been following these threads very closely in recent weeks. Has a trial date been set yet?

To me, this doesn't seem to be a very complex case. They should get on with it so CA can get started on her life term without possibility of parole.ITA with you but the def.will keep on putting it of until it could be 10 years before they have her tiral but I am happy she is sitting in jail.Everyone tells me she can not be bonded out so that is another good thing.The only thing that bothers me now is that people like me living on ss or sending the a;s money. I hate the fact that the a;s or living of off little CAYLEE dead body. All I can hope for is one day that will stop. We may never know what really happened to Caylee but we do know now she is in God;s arms. jmho

[spiritwolf46]

Puter docs. hmmm


eta, didn't they already check their computers? something they overlooked?


any ideas?

They had them! To me, it was like, "They will get these docs when WE say they get them!"

[Sun]

I'm feeling Blinkish today.:blink:

[bchand]

deleting...

I saw that - (and got it)......

[cassidy]

deleting...

dang....missed that

[Imperfect4]

I don't understand LE asking for documents from them...they prolly deleted and altered a lot of them...they should have just confiscated their computer.

That's got me really puzzled, too. I have to believe whatever it is the state requested, they already have a copy of from some other source. Because I find it extremely hard to believe the state would take any document from the Ants -- especially one that was on their computer (and could therefore be altered) -- at face value.

[crimeq]

Why a vigil NOW? Vigil means "to watch". I can understand when someone is MISSING, but Caylee has been found.

Any vigil the A's have would only be for money because it's NEVER been about looking (watching) for Caylee. It's a way to get the focus back on THEM. Another advertising moment for the A's. :cursing:

Hi Jammies! The Ants don't know the meaning of words--zero vocabulary or syntax skills! They all speak with non-sensical mush coming out their mouths.

If they say it's a vigil, why it's a vigil, darn it! :rolleyes:

[Bala]

I often wonder if we are wrong and it's not Casey the A's are protecting but Lee. They already lost Casey and they probably know that she's never coming home so maybe they're protecting the one child they still have. I have never lost the feeling that Lee is somehow involved, maybe after the fact but deep into it and could face real jail time as an accessory after the fact.

[BlueTurtle]

They had them! To me, it was like, "They will get these docs when WE say they get them!"

There are docs on the computer after the police had already looked at the computer.

I am wondering what form these documents were and and if they could be modified?

[crimeq]

Prosecutors want records of correspondence between George and Cindy Anthony and their private investigators, a source told the Orlando Sentinel.

It's unclear if that is what the Anthonys' attorney, Brad Conway, just turned over to the State Attorney's Office.

The State Attorney's Office would not reveal what they wanted from Casey Anthony's parents, but a source told the Sentinel prosecutors want documents related to the Anthonys' private investigators. The Anthonys have worked with two investigators -- Dominic Casey and Jim Hoover.

The State Attorney's Office had planned to ask Orange Circuit Judge Stan Strickland to force the Anthonys to produce the correspondence for the state's case against their daughter, Casey Anthony, according to spokespersons for the State Attorney's office and the court.

But that hearing was called off after Conway dropped off information to this morning at the State Attorney's Office.

Assistant State Attorney Linda Drane Burdick and Anthony family attorney Brad Conway notified Strickland this morning that the hearing would be canceled.

Brad Conway, lawyer for George and Cindy Anthony, said Thursday the couple simply hasn't been able to provide the documents in the time frame prosecutors wanted.

"The Anthonys have no problem providing the documentation the state has requested," Conway said Thursday.

Casey Anthony is being held in the Orange County Jail under an indictment for first-degree murder in the death of daughter Caylee Marie Anthony. The state is seeking the death penalty in the case.

This makes sense, but--the Ants have control of what they send. There isn't a trail unless SA also request copies of correspondence from the two PIs and match it up.

Computer forensics could go into the computers, of course, and determine if deletions had been made and reconstruct them--at least partially.

If SA want to see the computers now to check them, perhaps it's going to show more evidence of cover-up on Ants' part. I really hope SA is going to go after C&G at some point for obstruction of justice.

How typical that the Ants didn't respond to the request/subpoena. They really think if they do nothing, it will all go away--guess that's where Casey got it from!

[Sun]

I imagine that Cindy and George are hopping mad, about having to turn over what they probably felt was their "private" coorespondence with DCasey and/or JHoover. If that is what Conway turned over today.

If this is something that will be used in the trial, then it will become Discovery. Discovery turned over to Baez, also will be made available to the media/public.

[Freefall]

This makes sense, but--the Ants have control of what they send. There isn't a trail unless SA also request copies of correspondence from the two PIs and match it up.

Computer forensics could go into the computers, of course, and determine if deletions had been made and reconstruct them--at least partially.

If SA want to see the computers now to check them, perhaps it's going to show more evidence of cover-up on Ants' part. I really hope SA is going to go after C&G at some point for obstruction of justice.

How typical that the Ants didn't respond to the request/subpoena. They really think if they do nothing, it will all go away--guess that's where Casey got it from!

All the Anthony email is still on their ISP's mail server. If there was something the State really wanted all they have to do is subpoena the internet service provider for those files. I wonder why the state is relying on Anthony goodwill for these emails??

[spiritwolf46]

I imagine that Cindy and George are hopping mad, about having to turn over what they probably felt was their "private" coorespondence with DCasey and/or JHoover. If that is what Conway turned over today.

If this is something that will be used in the trial, then it will become Discovery. Discovery turned over to Baez, also will be made available to the media/public.

Yep! And I cannot WAIT to see what they held onto for so long.

[neid_77]

Blink on Crime's new article tells a little of Padilla's crews story

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/07/24/cayleecasey-anthony-case-baez-blasts-team-padilla/

from the article QOUTE:

It is expected that the backyard babblings of Casey Anthony to Tracy Mcluaghlin will corroborate some of the evidence at the scene where Caylee Marie's remains where found!


Caylee Marie:wub:

[trich]

You know if someone told me to turn over emails ....I would not be able to.
I never keep my emails unless it is a saying or story I would like to have for posterity and then I would just copy and paste it.
Of course I guess some computer guy I guess would be able to find it on the hd.
I delete as much as I can as often as I can.:tongueside:

[101Spots]

All the Anthony email is still on their ISP's mail server. If there was something the State really wanted all they have to do is subpoena the internet service provider for those files. I wonder why the state is relying on Anthony goodwill for these emails??

They are not necessarily emails. We don't know what they are. Yet.

[spiritwolf46]

They are not necessarily emails. We don't know what they are. Yet.

Did Cindy ever hand over her credit card statements? Anyone know?

[Freefall]

They are not necessarily emails. We don't know what they are. Yet.

Right. Perhaps a letter of agreement with Hoover?

[AnniePie]

Mallory is the one person in all of this that totally baffles me. Why is she still there? Why hasn't her mother lock her in the basement til the girl comes to her senses? What could she be thinking? RUN MALLORY RUN!!

Mallory's mother has drunk the Anthony kool-aid as much as Mallory has. They are both in there like a dirty shirt, so that tells us what kind of character they both have. :crying:

[crimeq]

All the Anthony email is still on their ISP's mail server. If there was something the State really wanted all they have to do is subpoena the internet service provider for those files. I wonder why the state is relying on Anthony goodwill for these emails??

All mail remains on the ISP server forever? I didn't know that!

[spiritwolf46]

Mallory's mother has drunk the Anthony kool-aid as much as Mallory has. They are both in there like a dirty shirt, so that tells us what kind of character they both have. :crying:

It sure does, Annie! When evidence of how horrible these people truly are is right in from of your face and you go into things anyway, it tells a LOT of how they must really be.

It it were me, I would RUN as fast as I can and take my daughter, screaming and kicking, away from the Anthony's if I had to!

[neid_77]

okay i thought that article was a good one perhaps not.

justice for Caylee

[cassidy]

They are not necessarily emails. We don't know what they are. Yet.



I doubt they are looking for e-mails or they would have subpeoned the computer. IMO they are looking for some sort of document that isn't necessarily kept on a computer.

[Scampi]

We have a court hearing today?

dang, I'm more behind than I thought!

morning, everyone....

We're out of the loop Jammies!!! How dare there be developments while we were absent! :angry:

(running back to catch up, but I do love the notion of ma and pa in handcuffs............lol.

[summer]

It's definitely a mystery. If it's something the SA can't get on their own it can't be bills or receipts or anything like that because there are ways to get that without going to the family who is untrustworthy.

Maybe they're going on a hunch and can't get a signed order to confiscate the computers at this time but they do have probable cause to request whatever it is to be handed over.

No way would they trust the A's.

Or maybe as others have said they've got something concrete and want to see what the A's produce and if it matches -- and to see if they've tampered.

I do think it has something to do with DC (my guess on the prepaid phones yesterday was obviously wrong) but I think it has something to do with the search of the woods while incidentally they were soliciting donations 24/7 to help find a live Caylee. Not that the SA is going into any kind of fraud investigation yet (as a matter of fact I think if/when this happens it'll be the FEDS.)

I also agree with the commenter above (sorry too lazy to scroll back but I was nodding my head!) that this has more to do with them protecting Lee and THEMSELVES at this point than protecting the OC.

[desmom]

Spokeswoman: No transcript of sidebar conference in Casey Anthony case
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-court-transcripts-072409,0,2586872.story

[gaelicpeas]

Blink on Crime's new article tells a little of Padilla's crews story

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/07/24/cayleecasey-anthony-case-baez-blasts-team-padilla/

from the article QOUTE:

It is expected that the backyard babblings of Casey Anthony to Tracy Mcluaghlin will corroborate some of the evidence at the scene where Caylee Marie's remains where found!


Caylee Marie:wub:Thanks for the link, neid. Some very interesting stuff in there. Sure hope it pans out...

[summer]

okay i thought that article was a good one perhaps not.

justice for Caylee

Hi Neid - I thought it was a good article too. Thanks. :wub:

[101Spots]

okay i thought that article was a good one perhaps not.

justice for Caylee

It was an interesting and entertaining article. But I tend to be somewhat skeptical of people who claim to have a "source close to LE" or a "source on the inside," while they themselves have no credentials that we know about.

[Sun]

Did Cindy ever hand over her credit card statements? Anyone know?

I do remember seeing a chart on some of the latest Discovery, that leads me to believe that LE has this info (or at least some of it). IIRC, Casey and Tony were on video at JCPenneys, as was Casey and Amy another time late in June. LE have the videos that show this, according to the chart.

[101Spots]

Spokeswoman: No transcript of sidebar conference in Casey Anthony case
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-court-transcripts-072409,0,2586872.story

Buzzkill.......

[summer]

Spokeswoman: No transcript of sidebar conference in Casey Anthony case
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-court-transcripts-072409,0,2586872.story

Huh. I'd read that even if no court reporter is present there is always a recorder going although the Judge has to turn it on. And then if it's requested (as in this case) a transcription can be ordered.

Wonder why this is the first we're hearing about this?

Thanks Desmom!!!

[5boxersmom]

Spokeswoman: No transcript of sidebar conference in Casey Anthony case
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-court-transcripts-072409,0,2586872.story

Could this be what they want? Proof that Cindy and George are paying for Casey's defense?

jmo

[summer]

It was an interesting and entertaining article. But I tend to be somewhat skeptical of people who claim to have a "source close to LE" or a "source on the inside," while they themselves have no credentials that we know about.

I too take it with a grain of salt but the comments can be interesting.

[5boxersmom]

Did Cindy ever hand over her credit card statements? Anyone know?

I was wondering about that yesterday. I don't know.

jmo

[court~critic1®]

Spokeswoman: No transcript of sidebar conference in Casey Anthony case
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-court-transcripts-072409,0,2586872.story



uummmm.... Interesting..... this makes me think maybe the Judge is in on the take for a book. Is he becoming another Ito?? moo

[summer]

uummmm.... Interesting..... this makes me think maybe the Judge is in on the take for a book. Is he becoming another Ito?? moo

Whoa! You sure live up to your nic!!! :laugh::laugh:

[Freefall]

All mail remains on the ISP server forever? I didn't know that!

Not necessarily forever but a long time. It depends on the ISPs policy. It gets backed-up regularly at the ISP and stored as an archive.

ETA: I think I remember Cindy using a Yahoo address so I'm assuming Yahoo keeps the email.

[Bala]

Couldn't the state not just subpemma the credit card records from JC penny?

[cassidy]

Couldn't the state not just subpemma the credit card records from JC penny?

I think that's what they'd do for those records and the credit card records too. Get them straight from the company.

[cassidy]

Maybe it's IRS tax forms that prove Casey A was NOT working and they filed her taxes and KNEW she wasn't working.

Now that would be pretty damning evidence, would it not?

That's a possiblity. Can the state get tax returns directly from the IRS?

[Sun]

Couldn't the state not just subpemma the credit card records from JC penny?

I do believe that the State has already done this, and even has videos supplied by JCPenney's.

[101Spots]

That's a possiblity. Can the state get tax returns directly from the IRS?

No. The IRS shares with *nobody.* Ever.

[Freefall]

Not necessarily forever but a long time. It depends on the ISPs policy. It gets backed-up regularly at the ISP and stored as an archive.

ETA: I think I remember Cindy using a Yahoo address so I'm assuming Yahoo keeps the email.

I stand corrected: Yahoo states: When messages are emptied from the trash folder, they are permanently deleted from the Yahoo! Mail server and cannot be recovered.

[cassidy]

No. The IRS shares with *nobody.* Ever.

They can't even be subpoened?

[Explorer]

Hi everyone. Why wasnt the March sidebar recorded? Anyone know?

[5boxersmom]

You know I didn't think much of it at the time but I remember Lenny on NG talking about Cindy getting a new washer. I use to have pics bookmarked of the garage that did show a new washer. Does anyone have any pics of the garage?

Thinking about it now I wonder how far the cover up went.

[summer]

You know I didn't think much of it at the time but I remember Lenny on NG talking about Cindy getting a new washer. I use to have pics bookmarked of the garage that did show a new washer. Does anyone have any pics of the garage?

Thinking about it now I wonder how far the cover up went.

I SO AGREE and am so glad you brought this up. Lenny was quite definite and I asked a lot of questions back then (not here) but no one was willing to engage and the media never grabbed onto this for some reason.

I'm dying to know!!! I think it's very important too, 5Boxersmom.

[101Spots]

They can't even be subpoened?

The IRS is not friendly to anyone. If you have a beef with someone's financials, you can go to the IRS and *they* will run their own investigation. If the investigation leads to charges, they will have to reveal all for a trial, but otherwise you get nada.

[Chardonnay]

GM All,
Can someone please give me a run down and examples of what Lenny means about the "daisy chains".. tia

[Lavinia]

GM All,
Can someone please give me a run down and examples of what Lenny means about the "daisy chains".. tia

I believe it's that Kronk's SO worked at the jail and *may* have overheard conversation between Jose' and the OC and somehow got the word on where to search for Caylee's remains. I stand to be corrected, though.

[cassidy]

The IRS is not friendly to anyone. If you have a beef with someone's financials, you can go to the IRS and *they* will run their own investigation. If the investigation leads to charges, they will have to reveal all for a trial, but otherwise you get nada.


So there would be no way of knowing whether or not Casey filed a tax return in the past few years? (I'm getting an education here! And thanks, I never knew all this!))

[5boxersmom]

I SO AGREE and am so glad you brought this up. Lenny was quite definite and I asked a lot of questions back then (not here) but no one was willing to engage and the media never grabbed onto this for some reason.

I'm dying to know!!! I think it's very important too, 5Boxersmom.

Makes me wonder if the washer held the odor from the clothes? Or was they worried there would be traces found in the washer?

Just seems odd with the timing and all and knowing she washed things from the car.

jmo

[*Serenity*]

The IRS is not friendly to anyone. If you have a beef with someone's financials, you can go to the IRS and *they* will run their own investigation. If the investigation leads to charges, they will have to reveal all for a trial, but otherwise you get nada.

I know in real estate there is a form signed by borrowers/buyers in order to obtain transcript copies of tax returns. This is used a lot in audits especially for fraud. If LE subponea tax returns and they are handed over I would think they would have a way to obtain transcripts in a murder investigation... I just don't know the inside scoop how they would do that. That would be a big oopsy if they produce fraudlent tax returns for Casey. Not a surprise though.

[Imperfect4]

I SO AGREE and am so glad you brought this up. Lenny was quite definite and I asked a lot of questions back then (not here) but no one was willing to engage and the media never grabbed onto this for some reason.

I'm dying to know!!! I think it's very important too, 5Boxersmom.

I actually think there are many things Lenny has said or hinted at which will tie into something-or-other at the trial. We'll be sitting here thinking, Oh! I remember Lenny mentioning something about a new washing machine ... Casey being spotted outside a hotel on the night of June 15th ... etc.

Lenny has lots of bits and pieces of information, which he hasn't tied together for himself (or for us, obviously), but the pieces are there, imo. He was at that house, as was Rob Dick, as was Tracy. And while the Ants may not have said anything directly to them, they aren't clever enough -- especially under that level of stress -- to keep virtually everything under wraps.

Don't know how many of us read the latest :blink: blog entry, but now I'm dying to know what Rob D. has to say about what the OC was doing at Baez's office all day every day!

[jaxback]

I believe it's that Kronk's SO worked at the jail and *may* have overheard conversation between Jose' and the OC and somehow got the word on where to search for Caylee's remains. I stand to be corrected, though.

That's what I remember, too - probably because trying to dirty up Kronk made me dislike Lenny. I doubted it was true then and I doubt it now. jmo

[summer]

I actually think there are many things Lenny has said or hinted at which will tie into something-or-other at the trial. We'll be sitting here thinking, Oh! I remember Lenny mentioning something about a new washing machine ... Casey being spotted outside a hotel on the night of June 15th ... etc.

Lenny has lots of bits and pieces of information, which he hasn't tied together for himself (or for us, obviously), but the pieces are there, imo. He was at that house, as was Rob Dick, as was Tracy. And while the Ants may not have said anything directly to them, they aren't clever enough -- especially under that level of stress -- to keep virtually everything under wraps.

Don't know how many of us read the latest :blink: blog entry, but now I'm dying to know what Rob D. has to say about what the OC was doing at Baez's office all day every day!

If the washer info turns out to be pivotal
I will kiss Lenny's feet. :laugh:

[Sun]

Hi everyone. Why wasnt the March sidebar recorded? Anyone know?

Here is a link where you can watch nearly the entire sidebar. Perhaps the slashing motion made by Judge Strickland as he motioned for the sidebar could be the reason that no transcript is available?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Lkz57L8ekA

[summer]

summer and 5bm - I always LOVED it when I would see him anywhere on TV - especially NG! Leonard & Co. are gonna be a huge and squarely targeted BOMBSHELL for the defense to deal with. I think that even though he may love the camera (lol, and it loves you right back, Lenny) and no doubt he wants to be on television (he even had an early reality show) but he wants justice for Caylee. His passion for this case is unlike almost anyone out there. He can almost TASTE it, I think.

He said within 5 minutes of meeting Baez that they had discussed that Leonard would not seek a book or movie deal! The privacy agreement (ahem, contract) was signed the first day - and did not include anything that would be asked of them if ever they had to go to court. He said that it is standard for these types of cases. Even though we have seen and heard - a lot - from him, he has not yet "spilled" about what should not be out there for legal reasons, per se - NO MORE than Cindy Anthony, fgs!! Leonard knows what he knows and is content to wait as long as it takes. The guy put up with NG and her palpable disdain of him (lol), and JVM thinks he is vital to this case, too. I cannot wait for what all of these folks have to tell us, I am glad this is finally coming out now.

I would be soooo much happier about Lenny if he hadn't said so much stupid carp on NG (along with the good stuff). I think he can be made to look foolish on the stand, unfortunately.

Wish he'd just stuck with talking to LE and kept his trap shut on the tube but people in hell want ice water too and that don't mean they get it. :smile:

[Explorer]

Here is a link where you can watch nearly the entire sidebar. Perhaps the slashing motion made by Judge Strickland as he motioned for the sidebar could be the reason that no transcript is available?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Lkz57L8ekA

Thanks. I thought there may be a cover up or something.

[Bala]

I'm not really sure that he washer means anything. Maybe they just needed a new washer although the timing is weird. They should have been able to wash away any smell with hot water and bleach.

[Explorer]

I'm not really sure that he washer means anything. Maybe they just needed a new washer although the timing is weird. They should have been able to wash away any smell with hot water and bleach.

Would traces of decomp be able to be detected in the washer?

[summer]

I'm not really sure that he washer means anything. Maybe they just needed a new washer although the timing is weird. They should have been able to wash away any smell with hot water and bleach.

Weird for sure. Right in the middle of all they were going through why not take a little side trip to Sears for a new washer? Totally b.s.

[Explorer]

Does anyone know if the anthonys complied with providing all the documents that were requested?

[summer]

Or maybe the possibility that it was information from Lee to DCasey about where to look for Caylee (the film that was recorded by his sidekick Hoover where he was on his cell phone with the "psychic") - I remember seeing DC and Lee trying NOT to talk to cameras and shouting reporters one day coming out of somewhere together. I think the fact that DCasey is on lawyer #2 and did not cooperate with M&M deposition speak volumes - NO MATTER WHO he was on the phone to, jmo. I, too, do not mind being corrected Lavinia.

There were all kinds of daisy chain theories he threw out. One IIRC was Kronk's supervisor was a neighbor of the A's and he was talking to Lee, blah blah blah.

[Explorer]

The trial is getting close and well see a lot of hysteria from the anthony camp.

[Bala]

Maybe they just couldn't stand knowing that they washed away Caylee in the washer.

[5boxersmom]

Weird for sure. Right in the middle of all they were going through why not take a little side trip to Sears for a new washer? Totally b.s.

Or it could have just been paranoia. They may have been worried something could be found in the washer. Would be interesting to know if the washer quit working or if they just decided to get a new one.

jmo

[apothecary]

okay i thought that article was a good one perhaps not.

justice for Caylee
I thought it was very good and thanks for getting it for us.It sure explains some of the behaviour at the A residence.:wub:

[Explorer]

Pick up an extra bamboo removal apparatus in the tool aisle, perhaps? You know, one to leave outside somewhere for Casey to use when she stops by to do her weekly pruning with - since she can't be trusted to even be in your shed. I bet the neighbor is no longer willing to let her "borrow" his. Since you're there anyway. Sheesh. These people. :confused:

Im surprised the a's didnt point a finger at the neighbor.

[Bala]

Or it could have just been paranoia. They may have been worried something could be found in the washer. Would be interesting to know if the washer quit working or if they just decided to get a new one.

jmo
Guilt can be a very powerful motivator. Knowing you washed all traces of your granddaughter down the drain would give anyone nightmares. Even the Anthony's. Imagine Cindy knowing she had the smell of her granddaughter rotting flesh on her hands. Hate to tell her no amount of bleach or new washers will ever wash away the guilt.

[Explorer]

Guilt can be a very powerful motivator. Knowing you washed all traces of your granddaughter down the drain would give anyone nightmares. Even the Anthony's. Imagine Cindy knowing she had the smell of her granddaughter rotting flesh on her hands. Hate to tell her no amount of bleach or new washers will ever wash away the guilt.

I have to say that would freak me out.

[Sun]

Source of Decomposition Smells in Yard, Car Possibly Moved in Missing Girl Mystery, Detectives Say
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/16965987/detail.html

Crime Expert Analyzes Casey Anthony Case, Evidence
http://www.wftv.com/news/16968013/detail.html

"She’s not dead!!" Grandmother Responds To Abuse Allegations
http://www.wftv.com/video/16964481/index.html

[101Spots]

I know in real estate there is a form signed by borrowers/buyers in order to obtain transcript copies of tax returns. This is used a lot in audits especially for fraud. If LE subponea tax returns and they are handed over I would think they would have a way to obtain transcripts in a murder investigation... I just don't know the inside scoop how they would do that. That would be a big oopsy if they produce fraudlent tax returns for Casey. Not a surprise though.

In this sort of transaction, where a person is asked to give a tax return as proof of the ability to pay, the tax return is coming directly from the taxpayer her/himself, *not* the IRS. Public figures such as the president are required to publish their tax returns, so we get to see those. But it comes straight from the prez, not from the IRS.

I am free to give you my tax return, but the IRS is not free to do so.

[apothecary]

Makes me wonder if the washer held the odor from the clothes? Or was they worried there would be traces found in the washer?

Just seems odd with the timing and all and knowing she washed things from the car.

jmo
Plus they were broke at the time.They could not really afford a new washer.

[101Spots]

If the washer info turns out to be pivotal
I will kiss Lenny's feet. :laugh:

If the washer turns out to be pivotal, I'll kiss Lenny's derriere.

[summer]

True. And he was convinced they would find her when TES was in the water near Jay Blanchard Park that day. He so wanted that to happen. That is where Cindy lit into him in public for the first time I think. But even though he HAS thrown out a lot of different things, he hasn't done so anymore than anyone else has on tv, imo. And that takes nothing away from what Leonard & Co. heard or saw while being around the Anthony's. There is so much blah, blah, blah in this case summer - and we are all so hooked! :laugh:

Ha! I'm hooked!

I just remember his strong words about Caylee's paternity and how when it came out there would be a shock heard round the world or something like that.

Hey, maybe something explosive will come out that will blow our minds. I sure hope so. Like I said, I will kiss his feet, his hat and his toothpick if everything he said turns out to be true. Gladly. :smile:

[summer]

If the washer turns out to be pivotal, I'll kiss Lenny's derriere.

:beer::beer::beer:

[Explorer]

ha! I'm hooked!

I just remember his strong words about caylee's paternity and how when it came out there would be a shock heard round the world or something like that.

Hey, maybe something explosive will come out that will blow our minds. I sure hope so. Like i said, i will kiss his feet, his hat and his toothpick if everything he said turns out to be true. Gladly. :smile:

omg roflmao

[jaxback]

Guilt can be a very powerful motivator. Knowing you washed all traces of your granddaughter down the drain would give anyone nightmares. Even the Anthony's. Imagine Cindy knowing she had the smell of her granddaughter rotting flesh on her hands. Hate to tell her no amount of bleach or new washers will ever wash away the guilt.

Sounds like Lady Mcbeth! :biggrin:

[Explorer]

Maybeeee his hat:laugh:

[101Spots]

:beer::beer::beer:

........ which is only about 1/8 of the number of beers I'll need to fulfill that rash promise.

[*Serenity*]

In this sort of transaction, where a person is asked to give a tax return as proof of the ability to pay, the tax return is coming directly from the taxpayer her/himself, *not* the IRS. Public figures such as the president are required to publish their tax returns, so we get to see those. But it comes straight from the prez, not from the IRS.

I am free to give you my tax return, but the IRS is not free to do so.

If a transcript form is signed they do. Of course you can't force anyone to sign one lol. I'm sure SA can subponea tax returns and if that is what they wanted it will be very telling.

[Lavinia]

That's what I remember, too - probably because trying to dirty up Kronk made me dislike Lenny. I doubted it was true then and I doubt it now. jmo

I think Lenny is going to be wrong on that, too. I hope so. We don't need any more amateur cloak and dagger escapades from the players.

[trich]

I believe it's that Kronk's SO worked at the jail and *may* have overheard conversation between Jose' and the OC and somehow got the word on where to search for Caylee's remains. I stand to be corrected, though.

I don't believe that anyone overheard Baez and Casey discussing the case because if that was possible then priviledge I think would have been waved since there was another person around.
If that were to have happened then it is Baez problem for not meeting and talking to Casey in private.IMO
Don't all attorneys and their clients have rooms where they meet in private?
That is what I have always thought.:shrug:

[Bala]

Does anyone know if and when NG is planning on showing the show about Cindy or did I miss it somehow?

[apothecary]

If sears or whoever took away the old washer,could LE still track it down or maybe they have already

[5boxersmom]

Wonder where this pic of Caylee was taken? I don't remember seeing the kitchen set in the Anthony home.

http://flyingbears.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/cayleant3.jpg

[summer]

If sears or whoever took away the old washer,could LE still track it down or maybe they have already

OOH. Very interesting. Wonder if it's already in the washing machine graveyard though. But still trackable. :thumbup:

[Lavinia]

There were all kinds of daisy chain theories he threw out. One IIRC was Kronk's supervisor was a neighbor of the A's and he was talking to Lee, blah blah blah.

I think, overall, Lenny's presence has been positive if only to add another polarizing, colorful character to keep this on the public and media's radar. As far as what I think of him professionally, I think anyone who throws out as many theories and possibilities as he has, is bound to be right sometimes. A broken clock is right twice a day, as they say.

[Explorer]

OOH. Very interesting. Wonder if it's already in the washing machine graveyard though. But still trackable. :thumbup:

That would be great detective work.

[5boxersmom]

If sears or whoever took away the old washer,could LE still track it down or maybe they have already

I don't know. I wish I could find the pics. One was of Cindy talking to the media in the driveway. You could see in the garage and see the washer and dryer.

Then I saw one, I think it was when we were looking for heart stickers and there was some totes in the garage. The new washer was one of those with the black top. Not the front loads but heavy duty like that.

jmo

[apothecary]

Wonder where this pic of Caylee was taken? I don't remember seeing the kitchen set in the Anthony home.

http://flyingbears.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/cayleant3.jpg

That is sooo cute.:wub:

[101Spots]

If a transcript form is signed they do. Of course you can't force anyone to sign one lol. I'm sure SA can subponea tax returns and if that is what they wanted it will be very telling.

Yes, but in this case the taxpayer is giving the IRS permission to release that information. This would happen if the taxpayer did not have a copy, or the requesting party wanted to make sure it was a true return and not just something the taxpayer made up last week to make it look as though he/she had more/less money than claimed.

You can't just knock on the IRS's door and ask for a return. But you're right - a subpoena would probably open that door.

[Bala]

Wonder where this pic of Caylee was taken? I don't remember seeing the kitchen set in the Anthony home.

http://flyingbears.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/cayleant3.jpg
If you take a good look at Caylee in this picture the child has huge bags under her eyes and her smiles seems forced. Was that poor child ever really happy? It breaks my heart.

[Lavinia]

I don't believe that anyone overheard Baez and Casey discussing the case because if that was possible then priviledge I think would have been waved since there was another person around.
If that were to have happened then it is Baez problem for not meeting and talking to Casey in private.IMO
Don't all attorneys and their clients have rooms where they meet in private?
That is what I have always thought.:shrug:

Guys in long term prisons don't have the attorney visits that jailed inmates do as for the most part their cases have been tried. That said, when I did see inmates with attorneys in TX/Federal prisons, the inmates were in rooms which the correctional officers could see everything through heavy glass and weren't in the rooms proper with the attorneys and inmate. I don't know if it would be the same with Fl. county jails, though.

[happygert]

Wonder where this pic of Caylee was taken? I don't remember seeing the kitchen set in the Anthony home.

http://flyingbears.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/cayleant3.jpg

hi 5boxersmom.. not for sure but I think its in the A's house look at shelves or bins on wall and winnie the pooh toy box

[spiritwolf46]

I do believe that the State has already done this, and even has videos supplied by JCPenney's.

Videos from J.C. Penny? First I heard of this. Thanks!

[happygert]

If you take a good look at Caylee in this picture the child has huge bags under her eyes and her smiles seems forced. Was that poor child ever really happy? It breaks my heart.


ita! all her photos look like a fake smile.. in every pic ive seen all look the same..

[Dells]

Im surprised the a's didnt point a finger at the neighbor.

Give them time. They probably will eventually. Especially once the trial gets here and they are desperate.:sneaky:

[Bala]

I've suspected for some time this foundation was used as a front to pay KC's legal bills. Remember, the incident with the Ritz??? Both DC and JH stated under oath that JB met with an ABC producer regarding a contract that involved the exchange of $200,000.00+. How JB was able to swear as a officer of the court that he had not brokered any agreement for KC, had not received money any such has been par for the course of his morals and ethics.
I believe this to and the payment to BOA may just be the proof.

[Explorer]

I've suspected for some time this foundation was used as a front to pay KC's legal bills. Remember, the incident with the Ritz??? Both DC and JH stated under oath that JB met with an ABC producer regarding a contract that involved the exchange of $200,000.00+. How JB was able to swear as a officer of the court that he had not brokered any agreement for KC, had not received money any such has been par for the course of his morals and ethics.

I bet they will be in court again on this matter. I bet they didnt provide All info requested.

[Dells]

Maybe they just couldn't stand knowing that they washed away Caylee in the washer.

The Anthony's have shown time and time again that they don't care about Caylee anymore. It's all about Casey for them now. They probably got rid of the washer because they didn't want to take a chance that something in it could possibly incriminate Casey.:sneaky:

[apothecary]

I've suspected for some time this foundation was used as a front to pay KC's legal bills. Remember, the incident with the Ritz??? Both DC and JH stated under oath that JB met with an ABC producer regarding a contract that involved the exchange of $200,000.00+. How JB was able to swear as a officer of the court that he had not brokered any agreement for KC, had not received money any such has been par for the course of his morals and ethics.
Is it illegal for the A's to use Caylee money to fund the defence?I think it is highly unethical,but illegal I don't know?Just saying...

[spiritwolf46]

The Anthony's have shown time and time again that they don't care about Caylee anymore. It's all about Casey for them now. They probably got rid of the washer because they didn't want to take a chance that something in it could possibly incriminate Casey.:sneaky:

I totally agree, Dells! They have obstructed for a very VERY long time! I pray with all that I have in me, these people are brought up on charges! Number one, for Caylee's sake and the sake that those horror shows threw her innocent little face under the bus for a murderer and number two because they DESERVE it for lying, spinning and doing what ever they could for not only Casey, but for THEMSELVES!

I wish I were one rich bi**h! I would OFFER to pay the State to go get them! I truly would! :sneaky:

[summer]

After reading the article regarding BC turning over documents to SA my BS monitor started going off. BC's responses were peculiar and quite evasive. Reminded me of conflictng statements he's made in the past that were shown to be deceitful such as ...not true,..there was no duct tape on lil Caylees' body.

In my opinion BC is not trustworthy. I wouldn't be surprised if whatever he turned over today does not satisfy the SA's request and they go back to Strickland.

[Sun]

After reading the article regarding BC turning over documents to SA my BS monitor started going off. BC's responses were peculiar and quite evasive. Reminded me of conflictng statements he's made in the past that were shown to be deceitful such as ...not true,..there was no duct tape on lil Caylees' body.

Yesterday when this story broke, I also had the feeling that Conway was being deceptive. There is more to this than anyone is saying. Perhaps in time, we will see what it was.

[summer]

Is it illegal for the A's to use Caylee money to fund the defence?I think it is highly unethical,but illegal I don't know?Just saying...

It's not illegal. And actually I think that $200,000 was turned over to JB by the A's and not any media entity way before the crab puff episode. IMO JMO MOO.

[summer]

I bet they will be in court again on this matter. I bet they didnt provide All info requested.

Oops! Sorry I didn't see your comment first. ITA and I think they were just buying time today. Oh, you wanted *those* documents! Why didn't ya just say so?! Why that's a horse of a different color!

[Dells]

Guilt can be a very powerful motivator. Knowing you washed all traces of your granddaughter down the drain would give anyone nightmares. Even the Anthony's. Imagine Cindy knowing she had the smell of her granddaughter rotting flesh on her hands. Hate to tell her no amount of bleach or new washers will ever wash away the guilt.

I don't think that Cindy feels any guilty about Caylee, what happened to her, and for her part in the cover up. I think the only guilt that Cindy feels is for Casey and for getting her (rightfully) arrested in the first place.

[Explorer]

Oops! Sorry I didn't see your comment first. ITA and I think they were just buying time today. Oh, you wanted *those* documents! Why didn't ya just say so?! Why that's a horse of a different color!

Thats OK. Everyone on this board is on the same wavelength.

[5boxersmom]

hi 5boxersmom.. not for sure but I think its in the A's house look at shelves or bins on wall and winnie the pooh toy box

That is what I was thinking but I had never saw the kitchen set when they showed Caylee's room.

Maybe they have/had a playroom in an extra bedroom? Or did Caylee even have a bed set up in that room and they put it back up for the photos in People Magazine?
jmo imo

[spiritwolf46]

Wouldn't that be considered a form of bribery?
:thumbdown:

And that would be bribing exactly, whom? Placing money right back into the State for the use of getting someone who broke the law, bribery? Say it aint so!

ETA: I know that this would or could never happen but is a wish of mine. Just for those who DO NOT get it. ;) :wub:

[Explorer]

Thats OK. Everyone on this board is on the same wavelength.

except on the kissing lenny thing:laugh:

[101Spots]

Is it illegal for the A's to use Caylee money to fund the defence?I think it is highly unethical,but illegal I don't know?Just saying...


Private Benefit (http://www.irs.gov/charities/charitable/article/0,,id=123297,00.html)

Yes, it is illegal. The link shows the art of the IRS code concerning sneaking money out of the charity for personal use. Let's just say it's *seriously* frowned on.

[101Spots]

It's not illegal. And actually I think that $200,000 was turned over to JB by the A's and not any media entity way before the crab puff episode. IMO JMO MOO.

OK, I jumped overboard too soon. To clarify:

Yes, the Anthony's can use anything they get from selling Caylee's pictures any way they want.

They *cannot* use the money from the CMA Foundation anyway they want.

[Lavinia]

except on the kissing lenny thing:laugh:

:laugh: Yeah, don't speak for me there! :laugh:

[summer]

Private Benefit (http://www.irs.gov/charities/charitable/article/0,,id=123297,00.html)

Yes, it is illegal. The link shows the art of the IRS code concerning sneaking money out of the charity for personal use. Let's just say it's *seriously* frowned on.

But I don't think their charity (cough) was up and running when the first big payday occurred! JMO>

ETA just saw your other comment. Thanks. I don't really know what I'm talking about actually - it's just snippits of info I've read along the way. :)

[bchand]

:laugh: Yeah, don't speak for me there! :laugh:

Me neither - yuck :ohmy:

[Bala]

Maybe the states attorney was asking for the financials from the foundation and that what the A's are trying to hide. Why is Baez saying he never wrote a cheque to BOA. Even if his secretary did it the request would have come from him.

[summer]

OK I spoke a mistruth. I would never kiss him either. Even if he handed me that washing machine on a silver platter. :laugh:

[summer]

Maybe the states attorney was asking for the financials from the foundation and that what the A's are trying to hide. Why is Baez saying he never wrote a cheque to BOA. Even if his secretary did it the request would have come from him.

Because he's parsing words. If he got a money order it's technically true he didn't write a check. They all do that. :cursing:

[Bala]

I think one of the reason that Baez what to shut up Padilla and gang is he doesn't want what was going on with Casey for 7 hrs. a day in his office to come out.

[Unleashed]

summer and 5bm - I always LOVED it when I would see him anywhere on TV - especially NG! Leonard & Co. are gonna be a huge and squarely targeted BOMBSHELL for the defense to deal with. I think that even though he may love the camera (lol, and it loves you right back, Lenny) and no doubt he wants to be on television (he even had an early reality show) but he wants justice for Caylee. His passion for this case is unlike almost anyone out there. He can almost TASTE it, I think.

He said within 5 minutes of meeting Baez that they had discussed that Leonard would not seek a book or movie deal! The privacy agreement (ahem, contract) was signed the first day - and did not include anything that would be asked of them if ever they had to go to court. He said that it is standard for these types of cases. Even though we have seen and heard - a lot - from him, he has not yet "spilled" about what should not be out there for legal reasons, per se - NO MORE than Cindy Anthony, fgs!! Leonard knows what he knows and is content to wait as long as it takes. The guy put up with NG and her palpable disdain of him (lol), and JVM thinks he is vital to this case, too. I cannot wait for what all of these folks have to tell us, I am glad this is finally coming out now.

YO ANNIEPIE!!!!!!

I sense someone is trying to move in on our Lenny!!:sneaky:

jmo

[summer]

Normally no, but remember the hearing that was held to determine if there were any potential conflict of interest issues that could be later used to demand a new trial. This is the hearing that SA has requested the transcript for the sidebar conversation that occured which involved Judge Strickland asking specific questions to JB regarding any and all retainer agreements as to who was footing or financing KC's defense and JB requested for this matter to be discussed in chambers. SA, JB, KC and the judge went into chambers to discuss the source of funding JB&team were being paid. JB swore as an officer of the court that no financial transactions had taken place knowing he had indeed brokered the ABC deal. And his spokesperson Todd Black states JB was involved with brokering some deals. Isn't this considered as providing false information, lying to the court being less than honest?

Yes I agree. All I'm saying is that I feel there was an initial payment to JB by the A's that was not brokered directly by JB. Maybe he recommended an agent to them - or someone who could guide them through the process or maybe they did it on their own.

I think more money went to JB after that and this is what may have been discussed during the crab puff incident (CPI).

Heck I can't wait to find out myself!!!

[Lapis]

[QUOTE=101Spots;13308163]Yes, but in this case the taxpayer is giving the IRS permission to release that information. This would happen if the taxpayer did not have a copy, or the requesting party wanted to make sure it was a true return and not just something the taxpayer made up last week to make it look as though he/she had more/less money than claimed.

You can't just knock on the IRS's door and ask for a return. But you're right - a subpoena would probably open that door.[/QUOT

LE cannot obtain your records from the IRS under any circumstances without your consent. The IRS is a federal agency and not subject to the jurisdiction of state courts. I would think a court order from a federal court would be necessary and their would probably be a very high threshold of showing the neccessity of obtaining the documents. JMO

[happygert]

That is what I was thinking but I had never saw the kitchen set when they showed Caylee's room.

Maybe they have/had a playroom in an extra bedroom? Or did Caylee even have a bed set up in that room and they put it back up for the photos in People Magazine?
jmo imo

not sure but I thought that there was 4 bedrooms.. anything's possible with these people..

[101Spots]

Normally no, but remember the hearing that was held to determine if there were any potential conflict of interest issues that could be later used to demand a new trial. This is the hearing that SA has requested the transcript for the sidebar conversation that occured which involved Judge Strickland asking specific questions to JB regarding any and all retainer agreements as to who was footing or financing KC's defense and JB requested for this matter to be discussed in chambers. SA, JB, KC and the judge went into chambers to discuss the source of funding JB&team were being paid. JB swore as an officer of the court that no financial transactions had taken place knowing he had indeed brokered the ABC deal. And his spokesperson Todd Black states JB was involved with brokering some deals. Isn't this considered as providing false information, lying to the court being less than honest?

Apples and oranges.

Apples: the private outside the courtroom discussion about the source of the money for the defense.

Oranges: the sidebar at the bench about "another thing" after the powwow on the money deals.

LE wanted the sidebar transcript, which doesn't exist.

[101Spots]

[QUOTE=101Spots;13308163]Yes, but in this case the taxpayer is giving the IRS permission to release that information. This would happen if the taxpayer did not have a copy, or the requesting party wanted to make sure it was a true return and not just something the taxpayer made up last week to make it look as though he/she had more/less money than claimed.

You can't just knock on the IRS's door and ask for a return. But you're right - a subpoena would probably open that door.[/QUOT

LE cannot obtain your records from the IRS under any circumstances without your consent. The IRS is a federal agency and not subject to the jurisdiction of state courts. I would think a court order from a federal court would be necessary and their would probably be a very high threshold of showing the neccessity of obtaining the documents. JMO

I bow to a more knowledgeable poster.

[Explorer]

[QUOTE=101Spots;13308163]Yes, but in this case the taxpayer is giving the IRS permission to release that information. This would happen if the taxpayer did not have a copy, or the requesting party wanted to make sure it was a true return and not just something the taxpayer made up last week to make it look as though he/she had more/less money than claimed.

You can't just knock on the IRS's door and ask for a return. But you're right - a subpoena would probably open that door.[/QUOT

LE cannot obtain your records from the IRS under any circumstances without your consent. The IRS is a federal agency and not subject to the jurisdiction of state courts. I would think a court order from a federal court would be necessary and their would probably be a very high threshold of showing the neccessity of obtaining the documents. JMO

Hi what will happen if the pros dont get the info that they were supposed to get today?

[happygert]

It's not illegal. And actually I think that $200,000 was turned over to JB by the A's and not any media entity way before the crab puff episode. IMO JMO MOO.

NO way! the A's wouldn't turn over that kind of money to jb.. also c&g have not worked a day in over 1 year.. all bills are paid caught up and credit card debit reduced from $58,000 to around $2,000 .. no way, what ever blood money they get they are using it for their own personal gain..

IMO .. I think it's a possibility that d.a's office wanted the transcripts from sidebar is so when jb claims his client cant pay and he needs state to pick up tab for all experts and attorneys they can come back with what they told them when D.A's office wanted to know where money was coming from.. how convenient no transcripts.. wonder what the judge thinks about that

[apothecary]

You pretty much said it slowt,that was brilliant and probably kindof close to what went down at the A's:laugh:

[summer]

Doesn't BC state he was delivering the needed documents?? Sounds kinda suspicious in light of how both BC and the A's have lied over and over when asked about so many other things before.

Oh yeah, I'm sure he turned over something. Maybe it was the chili recipe as Really speculated last night, LOL... But now the SA has to go through it all and then we'll see if the request was satisfied.

I'm a very cynical person. :tongue:

[Lapis]

[QUOTE=Lapis;13308342]

Hi what will happen if the pros dont get the info that they were supposed to get today?

They can renew the order to show cause if the documents provided do not compy with the request. It depends upon how specific the request was. Let's say they asked for any and all e-mail correspondence with DC. The state would have to show that they failed to turn over some documents. They can't just say we don't believe they turned over all the documents. In NJ before filing any motion, we have to contact the opposition and attempt to resolve the issue without court involvement. I imagine it is probably the same in Florida, as it cuts down on wasting court time on something that could have been resolved with a phone call or letter. JMO

[summer]

NO way! the A's wouldn't turn over that kind of money to jb.. also c&g have not worked a day in over 1 year.. all bills are paid caught up and credit card debit reduced from $58,000 to around $2,000 .. no way, what ever blood money they get they are using it for their own personal gain..

In my opinion they raked in a load of dough -- more than enough to cover the $200,000 to JB and to pay off their debts. $200,000 was just from one media entity. There was People Magazine and many other media appearances. Plus donations. It's just my opinion but I think that's what happened even though it seems counter-intuitive to what we know about them. If you believe, like I do, that they are protecting themselves and Lee too then it doesn't seem so farfetched. IMO.

[Explorer]

[QUOTE=Explorer;13308365]

They can renew the order to show cause if the documents provided do not compy with the request. It depends upon how specific the request was. Let's say they asked for any and all e-mail correspondence with DC. The state would have to show that they failed to turn over some documents. They can't just say we don't believe they turned over all the documents. In NJ before filing any motion, we have to contact the opposition and attempt to resolve the issue without court involvement. I imagine it is probably the same in Florida, as it cuts down on wasting court time on something that could have been resolved with a phone call or letter. JMO

Thanks. I just think they are going to continue to obstruct.

[summer]

Maybe it's the "missing" diary pages that were mentioned on LKL last time. Cindy almost dumped him out of his chair when he mentioned something about that diary AND IT'S DATES - "That is NOT RIGHT, BRAD" - Whoa, Cindy, hold on there - why THIS big reaction to that? I have always wondered about that, but then - it is the same night that BC also said he did not agree with the Anthony's not going to the jail to actually see the OC - so who the heck knows with this cast of misfits! That diary is SOMETHING I think. Anyone else think this?

:seeya: Yes, I do too.

[Postergeist]

well darn! I don't have much time today and was hoping to read all about what was finally turned over to the court and we still don't know.

<pout>

reviewing some of the old links that have been posted- thought this was a good little snippet of one of Shep's (uploaded on 8/6/08)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0pIipAh3Ns&feature=related

I transcribed a bit of the discussion-

Shep- they (the A’s) seem to have an explanation for just about everything (discussion of the shovel)

...

I wonder if it doesn't mean something when they say 'we believe Caylee is close'

Just about everybody in the family believe that Caylee is close...


(clip of the A’s and Greta shown where they mention that Casey feels that Caylee is close)


Shep - is that all really freaky to you guys?


Julia - ... they are acting as if their daughter is the Dali Lama imparting these pearls of divine wisdom from the jail house – she (Casey) just must be the center of their universe, she must have been the center of their universe since she was a child and she’s just been getting away with this for years...

[Postergeist]

not sure but I thought that there was 4 bedrooms.. anything's possible with these people..

were there any pics released of the inside of the playhouse?

Wondering if the kitchen set would fit inside of it, and it was moved into the playhouse at some point.

[summer]

were there any pics released of the inside of the playhouse?

Wondering if the kitchen set would fit inside of it, and it was moved into the playhouse at some point.

IIRC the kitchen set WAS in the playhouse!!! At least sometimes. You have a great memory. :)

[bchand]

<<respectfully snipped>>

I transcribed a bit of the discussion-

Shep- they (the A’s) seem to have an explanation for just about everything (discussion of the shovel)

...

I wonder if it doesn't mean something when they say 'we believe Caylee is close'

Just about everybody in the family believe that Caylee is close...


(clip of the A’s and Greta shown where they mention that Casey feels that Caylee is close)


Shep - is that all really freaky to you guys?


Julia - ... they are acting as if their daughter is the Dali Lama imparting these pearls of divine wisdom from the jail house – she (Casey) just must be the center of their universe, she must have been the center of their universe since she was a child and she’s just been getting away with this for years...



What a perfect description of how the A's act about whatever Casey says - Dali Lama imparting pearls of divine wisdom!

They DID act like that and just couldn't understand why the rest of the country wasn't buying her stories.

[cassidy]

What a perfect description of how the A's act about whatever Casey says - Dali Lama imparting pearls of divine wisdom!

They DID act like that and just couldn't understand why the rest of the country wasn't buying her stories.

I think that still baffles them.

[Postergeist]

NO way! the A's wouldn't turn over that kind of money to jb.. also c&g have not worked a day in over 1 year.. all bills are paid caught up and credit card debit reduced from $58,000 to around $2,000 .. no way, what ever blood money they get they are using it for their own personal gain..

IMO .. I think it's a possibility that d.a's office wanted the transcripts from sidebar is so when jb claims his client cant pay and he needs state to pick up tab for all experts and attorneys they can come back with what they told them when D.A's office wanted to know where money was coming from.. how convenient no transcripts.. wonder what the judge thinks about that

Gert- I'm thinking that the A's will eventually end up like many lottery winners- broke again in the end.

However, since they aren't defendants of anything yet- if they claim in the future they are destitute, at least Floridians won't have to pick up the tab to pay their attorney fees.

[Bala]

If Casey claims she no longer can pay her legal fees does Baez then have to show any and all monies he received and what it was spent on?

[Postergeist]

IIRC the kitchen set WAS in the playhouse!!! At least sometimes. You have a great memory. :)

LOL! thanks, I wish! I couldn't recall seeing pics of the inside tho- that's why I was asking.

I always thought the landscaping of the little house seemed a bit off, now I seem to recall there was not a little paver set directly in front of the door, like it was missing one.

As if you would walk -> stone paver, paver...- step on mulch -> door entry

(maybe they under estimated and were too cheap to go back to Lowe's and buy another one?)

[5boxersmom]

In my opinion they raked in a load of dough -- more than enough to cover the $200,000 to JB and to pay off their debts. $200,000 was just from one media entity. There was People Magazine and many other media appearances. Plus donations. It's just my opinion but I think that's what happened even though it seems counter-intuitive to what we know about them. If you believe, like I do, that they are protecting themselves and Lee too then it doesn't seem so farfetched. IMO.

ITA. Heck on the morning show they were on June 16th of this year they showed new video then. So they probably got paid for that too.

jmo

[Unleashed]

[QUOTE=Lapis;13308342]

I bow to a more knowledgeable poster.

So do I, Spots. Don't like the answer, though.:tonguewag:

jmo

[desmom]

Lapis if you are still around....

What is your opinion of Jose's office sending a money order to the Bank of America for the $664.25 re Casey's fraud charges?

Article: http://www.clickorlando.com/news/20132611/detail.html

Letter BOA sent to JB http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20134032/detail.html

TIA

[Postergeist]

What a perfect description of how the A's act about whatever Casey says - Dali Lama imparting pearls of divine wisdom!

They DID act like that and just couldn't understand why the rest of the country wasn't buying her stories.

you're not kidding! Even Lee later saying he believed everything his sister has ever said- it's really cultish Casey worship behavior.

Luckily for the rest of us here- it seems that none of our parents raised us that way, so we can all be posting in a free world while she's in jail at this time.

imo

[5boxersmom]

Here is Caylee in the playhouse. I see something there but I don't think it is the kitchen set. I really do not think one that size would fit in that playhouse.

jmo


http://marinadedave.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/caylee.jpg

[cassidy]

Here is Caylee in the playhouse. I see something there but I don't think it is the kitchen set. I really do not think one that size would fit in that playhouse.

jmo


http://marinadedave.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/caylee.jpg

Some of those playhouses have the kitchens built right in. My granddaughter has one like that.

[5boxersmom]

Some of those playhouses have the kitchens built right in. My granddaughter has one like that.

Could be because the facet is white on whatever is in the playhouse and looks like stainless steel on this one.

http://flyingbears.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/cayleant3.jpg

[Lapis]

Lapis if you are still around....

What is your opinion of Jose's office sending a money order to the Bank of America for the $664.25 re Casey's fraud charges?

Article: http://www.clickorlando.com/news/20132611/detail.html

Letter BOA sent to JB http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20134032/detail.html

TIA

Well, first let me point out that although I graduated from law school and passed the bar it does not give me any greater insight into JB's thinking. I am assuming this was done with the knowledge of AL.

I have formulated a few theories. The first is that the restitution was paid to be able to argue to the court that the fraud trial can wait until after the murder trial since no one is at financial risk. The second is that the defense will be that Casey actually borrowed the money and it has been paid back. The pressing of charges was to gain some advantage in the murder trial or Amy feared she would not be paid back.

JMO

[Postergeist]

Here is Caylee in the playhouse. I see something there but I don't think it is the kitchen set. I really do not think one that size would fit in that playhouse.

jmo


http://marinadedave.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/caylee.jpg

ty 5boxersmom- agree with ya, from that angle it doesn't look like that set would fit.

Someone had mentioned earlier (or maybe yesterday's thread) about Caylee's coloring under her eyes- it seems evident in most pictures- so I'm thinking it's just her coloring, rather than not having adequate sleep.

While her mom didn't seem to need much shut eye- I would think while she was being cared for when the g'parents had her, she would be getting naps in and longer bedtimes maybe.

[Bala]

If BOA holds both debts the one from Amy and the one from Shirley will the State be able to call Shirley or someone from BOA to testify to this. I remember reading that Shirley signed an agreement giving BOA the right to prosecute to get her reimbursement.

[jammies]

We're out of the loop Jammies!!! How dare there be developments while we were absent! :angry:

(running back to catch up, but I do love the notion of ma and pa in handcuffs............lol.


Hiya, scamp. Yep, summer has a way of getting in the way of my online activities.

Darnit, I'd pay good money to see the Ant's hauled away in metal bracelets too. I'm fat, lazy AND mean like that.

[5boxersmom]

Could be because the facet is white on whatever is in the playhouse and looks like stainless steel on this one.

http://flyingbears.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/cayleant3.jpg

I meant Faucet. :rolleyes:

jmo

[summer]

Maybe Caylee had two kitchen sets? It does seem extravagant but she did have multiples of everything. I do remember reading she had a kitchen set in the playhouse but maybe it was a smaller one. :shrug:

[jammies]

Lenny was still "sleepy...very sleepy" from a small sip of the Koolaid that Casey slipped him then - I see him entering the Anthony home for the first time: "Hello, Anthony's, I am here to save the day, help your daughter, and find your grand daughter. I may be the man in black, but I'm one of the good guys." They invite him to sit on the couch with his crew. George: "Hey, thanks for reaching out to us Mr. Padilla - we love that reaching out, and WE ARE ALL ABOUT CAYLEE." The crew wonders why he is screaming at them. Inside voices, Anthony's - inside voices) (and, NO, not the ones in your head, either) Cindy: "Would any of you like a cool beverage? I just now whipped up some delicious and refreshing grape Koolaid." (SIDEBAR - in my mind the Koolaid is always grape. Please make note. Remember this though, there will be no court transcript). Crew: "Why, thankee very much, Ms. Ant ton nee, (because that IS how lil' Caylee pronounces her last name - wondering why are you telling us now - (shhhhhhh...they don't know it yet, but it's from the fumes of the bouquet of the grapes in the Koolaid), that is mighty nice of you." Cindy sprints into the kitchen and is back in a flash - now standing in directly in from of Said Crew. Cindy: "Here you go, sweet wonderful angels sent straight from heaven thank Sweet Heysoos on the Cross for all you! And, look at you guys, awwwwwwww, where's my camera, George? Fetch. The Lord has truly blessed us as much as NG - no, MORE than Nancy Grace, um, but NOT Oprah. You all know how suspect that psycho Oprah is! We don't care too much for that obvious liar and deviant to society. Haruumpf. Oh, right, sorry, O/T rant, (please don't send us to band camp for that, CW) not that we are trying to infer her ethics and integrity or anything. OK, back to the reaching out and the bestowing your amazing good will upon our grateful and united family type unit and the springing out of the Casey thingy and the reaching out and the touching and the what-not and, sorry - lost my train of thought...oh, I do ramble on so...ok, so then - drink up and Godspeed on gossamer wings in all you endeavor to do. Forever. And ever. Amen. and Amen. Can I get a WHAT WHAT?? Can't...stop....speaking........" Crew: sitting there staring with mouths open in wonderment - did she even take a breath just then? CA pulls out her magic amulet and begins to swing it back and forth in front of The Crew. Speaking in exagerrated Elmer Fudd accent, Cindy: "By the power just vested upon me -straight from God himself, but much more importantly than even Him - by myself, for myself and in my very suggestion alone - You are all getting sleepy...very, verrrrrrrrry, sleepy"

Hey, it could've happened...lol She truly is delusional in her belief in her "power of suggestion" skills! I am sure it is what she would pick if offered just one super power (mine is flying or invisibility - I go back and forth). Sorry for the length of post, but laughter in group therapy helps me with my anger management and ugly coping skills - this is a free public service here! Sigh, poor Caylee.



OMG :thumbsup: In my imagination I see this as a comic strip just waiting to happen! lmao!

[Neffy]

Wonder where this pic of Caylee was taken? I don't remember seeing the kitchen set in the Anthony home.

http://flyingbears.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/cayleant3.jpg

Unbelievable what these "broke" people were able to blow their money on.

[Postergeist]

Unbelievable what these "broke" people were able to blow their money on.

sad, that the sweet little one doesn't even have a head stone- so her memory exists in plastic Tyco and Playskool stuff and little bears probably made by children not much older than her in a third world country.

imo

:sad:

[djmsmom]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-court-072409,0,5722479.story Would the state review the docs before canceling the hearing?

[Pruddennce]

Maybe it's the "missing" diary pages that were mentioned on LKL last time. Cindy almost dumped him out of his chair when he mentioned something about that diary AND IT'S DATES - "That is NOT RIGHT, BRAD" - Whoa, Cindy, hold on there - why THIS big reaction to that? I have always wondered about that, but then - it is the same night that BC also said he did not agree with the Anthony's not going to the jail to actually see the OC - so who the heck knows with this cast of misfits! That diary is SOMETHING I think. Anyone else think this?

its a possibility....with this group I agree with you, anything is possible....

the infamous Cindy and George interview on LKL, Cindy correcting Brad about 'discovery'.....

and also their take on the dates: once again, the Anthonys and their travelling show cant seem to settle on dates....they have a problem with that: "lets do the time warp" with the Anthonys....

C. ANTHONY: One thing that people -- you know, that went out there and that was clarified. That was written in 2005 before Caylee was even born. We have the diary. Brad has the diary --

KING: Help me here, Brad, because that's supposed to be key evidence here.

CONWAY: Larry, I've got custody of that diary. That was written in 2003, June 21st, two years before Caylee was even born.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0905/13/lkl.01.html

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidene....*

[5boxersmom]

I just can't see how that would be relevant to the case!

To show that it is not coming from Baez profiting from pics and such.

jmo imo

[cassidy]

Could be because the facet is white on whatever is in the playhouse and looks like stainless steel on this one.

http://flyingbears.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/cayleant3.jpg

I don't think the one in the pic would fit in the house. The outside one probably came with it's own built in kitchen.

[cassidy]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-court-072409,0,5722479.story Would the state review the docs before canceling the hearing?

Since Conway delivered the docs to the state, I think they's at least look them over to make sure they got what they asked for.

[Neffy]

sad, that the sweet little one doesn't even have a head stone- so her memory exists in plastic Tyco and Playskool stuff and little bears probably made by children not much older than her in a third world country.

imo

:sad:

OMG your right! Sad indeed! Not to mention then encased in "jewelry".

I have no stomach for these people.

[cassidy]

OMG your right! Sad indeed! Not to mention then encased in "jewelry".

I have no stomach for these people.Awwww...Neffyy...I'm not a religious person but I do have to believe that Caylee is in a far better place now. What is and isn't happening here on earth only makes her family look bad. And that is sad to think of for those of us looking at them. Caylee, I believe, has found peace.

[desmom]

Well, first let me point out that although I graduated from law school and passed the bar it does not give me any greater insight into JB's thinking. I am assuming this was done with the knowledge of AL.

I have formulated a few theories. The first is that the restitution was paid to be able to argue to the court that the fraud trial can wait until after the murder trial since no one is at financial risk. The second is that the defense will be that Casey actually borrowed the money and it has been paid back. The pressing of charges was to gain some advantage in the murder trial or Amy feared she would not be paid back.

JMO

Thanks! :seeya:

[101Spots]

Spot, kinda of lost me there. How is the financial agreement which he made with ABC not relevant to his statement to the court that he had not made any transactions that resulted in the exchange of money?

I was pointing out that the transcript requested was not for the money discussion, as you referenced in your post. The transcript requested was for the sidebar afterwards (what the judge called "one more thing" or "another thing").

Apparently I can't write well enough to make myself understood. My apologies, Red.

[Pruddennce]

and lets not forget their arrogance regarding the provisions of casey's bail, to remain at the home:

NO WEAPONS

GA's gun is found in the trunk of his car.

*lets beat the system*

wonder who ratted them out?

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

[101Spots]

and lets not forget their arrogance regarding the provisions of casey's bail, to remain at the home:

NO WEAPONS

GA's gun is found in the trunk of his car.

*lets beat the system*

wonder who ratted them out?

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

[Drat, this Alzheimer's is annoying.] We did learn who ratted him out, but I can't remember.

[Buttoneyes]

Well, first let me point out that although I graduated from law school and passed the bar it does not give me any greater insight into JB's thinking. I am assuming this was done with the knowledge of AL.

I have formulated a few theories. The first is that the restitution was paid to be able to argue to the court that the fraud trial can wait until after the murder trial since no one is at financial risk. The second is that the defense will be that Casey actually borrowed the money and it has been paid back. The pressing of charges was to gain some advantage in the murder trial or Amy feared she would not be paid back.

JMO

I agree that regardless of one's education short of an MD in psychiatry plus some psychic ability, it's likely that no one has insight into JB's "thinking" if that is what that muddled process is called.

I think that your first theory is no doubt correct. I differ on the second though, as I have never heard of someone borrowing money from another by stealing and writing checks on the a/c of the person loaning the money. A new form of loan according to Baez?

[cassidy]

[Drat, this Alzheimer's is annoying.] We did learn who ratted him out, but I can't remember.

Dang I must have the too or CRS couse I can't remember either? Anyone?

[Freefall]

Dang I must have the too or CRS couse I can't remember either? Anyone?

Wasn't it Rob because a condition of Casey being allowed out on bail was that there were to be no weapons in the house?

[Pruddennce]

Dang I must have the too or CRS couse I can't remember either? Anyone?
I thought it was reported as 'tip'.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

[cassidy]

Wasn't it Rob because a condition of Casey being allowed out on bail was that there were to be no weapons in the house?

All I can find is that police acted on a tip, no mention that I can find of who the tipster was. IIRC there was a lot of specualtion at the time though.

https://www.flexdirect.adp.com/FSAinfo/learning/overview_hc.html


http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/9/6/evidence_taken_from_george_anthony39s_car.html

[cassidy]

I thought it was reported as 'tip'.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

You're right and I don't think they ever unveiled the tipster.

[101Spots]

All I can find is that police acted on a tip, no mention that I can find of who the tipster was. IIRC there was a lot of specualtion at the time though.

https://www.flexdirect.adp.com/FSAinfo/learning/overview_hc.html


http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/9/6/evidence_taken_from_george_anthony39s_car.html


The info was quite recent, not from 'way back when. [Short term memory loss is obvious. :crying:]

Dang it!!!!!

[cassidy]

The info was quite recent, not from 'way back when. [Short term memory loss is obvious. :crying:]

Dang it!!!!!

Then I really did miss it. Can't remember it because I never saw it :)

[Pruddennce]

You're right and I don't think they ever unveiled the tipster.

and once again, the anthonys were given a 'pass' which in this instance benefited Casey. she should have been hauled back, although the 'assumption' was she didnt know it was in the car. what about the other side of the coin? that she DID know it was in the car...

once again, a pass.

GA was responsible for the VIOLATION of her bail requirements.

makes me ill the court said oh, ok.

with a child missing......and the mother arrested for lying to authorities? with another young mother (Melinda Duckett) previously in the news who blew her head off because of her 'missing' child.......

barf...she should have been hauled back.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

and ETA: it was recently purchased, in August.

[Postergeist]

The info was quite recent, not from 'way back when. [Short term memory loss is obvious. :crying:]

Dang it!!!!!

hey Spots- was it on blink's site that was posted either earlier today ? (or yest. thread)- the posting was discussing Baez, LP and his nephew.