Mom, dad and brother charged with 1st degree murder

[Pretty Leaf]

Kingston, Ontario

These 4 women were found in the Rideau Canal locks dead in a submerged car.

3 sisters and what was said to be an aunt, but who we now know was the father's 1st wife, were in a car in the Canal.

Dad blamed oldest daughter for stealing the car.

Today, Mom, Dad and brother charged with murder 1.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20090723/kingston_canal_090723/20090723?hub=TopStories

[trigger]

Heard this story before, so there from Afghanistan. Father probably did not approve of the way his daughters were living, ya know the way of America. I remember last year or 2 where the father was shooting at his daughters and one of the daughters captured the shooting on her cell phone. Both the daughters died. Horrible just horrible. Probably his current wife only followed orders from her husband or he would have killed her and the son too.

[ttcRider]

Heard this story before, so there from Afghanistan. Father probably did not approve of the way his daughters were living, ya know the way of America. I remember last year or 2 where the father was shooting at his daughters and one of the daughters captured the shooting on her cell phone. Both the daughters died. Horrible just horrible. Probably his current wife only followed orders from her husband or he would have killed her and the son too.

OR maybe he is just nuts.... :sneaky: :wink:

[Leanne Weich]

Unfortunately honor killings are not unusual in a lot of the Middle Eastern population. I'd be honored to put a bullet between the eyes of the so-called parents and brother.

[streeter]

This is my neck of the woods. :crying:

From the day I heard about it, it sounded very strange. Something didn't add up. As news reports came in, it just got more confusing. Mom and Dad didn't speak a lick of English OR French and still managed to contradict themselves and each other and create even more questions about the case.

The case has caused a flurry of debate about honour killings and religion. I'm really tired of it all. I see this as a mass murder. The armchair sleuth in me wants to know more about the timeline, and how the heck they got the car in the locks, and so on. People here seem to get wrapped up in the religious/cultural aspect and then others cry racism, and then it all goes downhill from there. This was the killing of four people that needs to go to trial and the persons responsible need to go to prison, and stay there. The first wife's sister says that she and the older daughter had been receiving death threats from the father. The girl wanted to be with a guy she liked, the first wife was allegedly encouraging her to follow her heart.

To complicate things, there was another Middle Eastern family hit by tragedy (another drowning) last week 20 minutes away from Kingston, in Gananoque. A woman and her two daughters were found in a motel pool with no vital signs. EMT's brought them back, but they died, one by one, in the following days. The father and two younger sons were in their room. The tragedy at the locks now has people wondering about this case, too, about whether it is an honour killing. The similarities are striking - wife and adolescent daughters of Middle Eastern culture drown while on vacation under circumstances that raise many questions (ie how did they all get there?)

It's just so sad that the people who were supposed to love, protect and comfort them when they are hurt, hurt them in the worst possible way. It's just barbaric.

[aproudmom]

OMG this is horrible reminds me of the father who shot and killed his 2 teenage daughters how sad I thought this story sounded a little off

[aproudmom]

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Charges+allege+family+planned+daughters+murders/1820277/story.html

KINGSTON, Ont. — A Montreal-area couple began making plans to kill their three daughters, along with the husband’s first wife, weeks before the bodies of all four victims were found in a car submerged in the Rideau Canal, police claim in charges filed Thursday.

'Honour killings' of females on rise in Canada: Expert
http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Honour+killings+females+rise+Canada+Expert/1821831/story.html
As many as 5,000 women and girls lose their lives — most at the hands of family members — in "honour killings" around the world each year, according to the United Nations

Three arrested in bizarre canal deaths near Kingston, Ont.
http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Three+arrested+bizarre+canal+deaths+near+Kingston/1820063/story.html

[aproudmom]

ok I wonder if the ex wife knew she was going to be killed also? very strange his ex wife would help in not only killing her children but also die with them in that manner..

http://watch.ctv.ca/news/latest/murdered-by-family/#clip196672

[trigger]

Thanx aprouudmom for all the links to this horrible sad story. Glad they have the other 3 children in CPS.

[Pretty Leaf]

The woman in the car was the dad's 1st wife. But I haven't foound any info that they were ever divorced.

The author of the e-mail said Shafia married Yahya as his second wife because Mohammad could not have children. The person also wrote that just before the trip, Mohammad told relatives abroad that she was surprised at being included in Shafia’s vacation plans.


In an interview shortly after the deaths, Shafia said his family was originally from Afghanistan — where it is legal for a man to have more than one wife — and moved to Dubai in the 1990s. They came to Canada two years ago.

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/Family+charged+Kingston+canal+deaths/1820277/story.html

[koawally]

ok I wonder if the ex wife knew she was going to be killed also? very strange his ex wife would help in not only killing her children but also die with them in that manner..

http://watch.ctv.ca/news/latest/murdered-by-family/#clip196672

Mohammad wasn't the ex-wife...she was his wife

So strange, he married again because:Shafia married Yahya as his second wife because Mohammad could not have children. The person also wrote that just before the trip, Mohammad told relatives abroad that she was surprised at being included in Shafia’s vacation plans.

Gilbert said she never suspected Shafia had two wives, but instead thought Mohammad was a close family friend or relative because she lived with the Shafias

[streeter]

Relative calls canal deaths "sabotage" (http://www.thestar.com/Article/671145)

So now Yahya's aunt is speaking out in defense of the accused. Yahya is wife #2 and the mother of the girls who has been charged with murdering them.

Her aunt says the deaths were due to the suicide of the older girl, Zainab.

"Zainab was not normal," Fazel ventured. "She kept saying, `My life is boring,' all the time."


HOW is this not normal for a teenaged girl, even for one who is ALLOWED to live as a free, Canadian citizen, let alone one who is surrounded by other girls who have freedom of expression and choice but she, herself, is stifled in making her own choices?! :cursing:

It burns me how badly Zainab is being treated in death. Even in death, she is still being punished.

:rose: for all the victims and an extra

:rose: for Zainab

[Pretty Leaf]

What I am waiting to hear is how did that car get into the canal. The police were baffled at the time. There is a locked gate, then grass (no tire marks) then cement pilars. No tire marks on the cement surround either. Added to the fact that it was in a area that is like a triangle, where the waterway locks close.

One of our broadcasters said at the time it is virtually impossible given the landscape for a car to get there through all the barricades.

[Jester]

What I am waiting to hear is how did that car get into the canal. The police were baffled at the time. There is a locked gate, then grass (no tire marks) then cement pilars. No tire marks on the cement surround either. Added to the fact that it was in a area that is like a triangle, where the waterway locks close.

One of our broadcasters said at the time it is virtually impossible given the landscape for a car to get there through all the barricades.

Me too. It's a complete mystery, but knowing that it wasn't an accident may help explain. I don't think any cause of death has been given either, so perhaps they were murdered and then somehow pushed into the water.

[Pretty Leaf]

I tried to find out the weather on the date it happened. It has been the rainiest summer since 1992. I remember when this happened the police, lock attendant, visitors had coats on. Yes it is chilly but there was a ?? about no tire marks anywhere.

[streeter]

It was warmer and drier when this happened. July has been a terrible month in Kingston, but I remember going down to the July 1 fireworks and it was clear but there was lightening in the east which looked really cool with the fireworks, but no rain. I remember the day they found the car, it was a nice day. The boats had just starting moving through the locks when the lockmaster found the car.

Found the weather:

From June 27 to July 1 (http://www.theweathernetwork.com/index.php?product=historical&placecode=caon0349), there was no precipitation reported. Days hot and nights warm.

[n/t]

The family dynamics are all too confusing. Are they allowed to marry more than one wife?

An immigration question. When they come to Canada are they totally versed on what the laws are here? This is disgusting. We're seeing more and more of these "honour killings". Do they think they're above the law?

It's like in the US where that poor 8 year old girl from Liberia who was brutally raped by 4 boys aged 9-14. The parents shunned her and are blaming her for the rape. Good lord.

These immigrants should have to be mandated to take courses about the laws of our country. If not, ship them back. Sorry this just infuriates me.

Kingston murder victim was abused, brother says
http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Kingston+murder+victim+abused+brother+says/1826342/story.html


A distinct kind of violence: experts
Honour killings described as different from domestic violence

http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/distinct+kind+violence+experts/1827094/story.html

[R~O~S]

Are they not required to take those courses n/t?

Serious question, if they're in the US legally and trying to get citizenship they have to take those courses. The biggest problem is a lot of them are here on visas for school or work and they don't intend to become citizens.

We have a large Portuguese population in my town. There are no problems as a result, they maintain the nicest cleanest homes as a general rule and their values are the same if not more conservative leaning.

The point is, they come here to learn a trade, earn a good amount of money doing so on the job, and then go home and live well on their savings & a trade. They'll stay for five years or so and then go home. We have a machine screw shop in town that welcomes them, the current employees sponsor the new arrivals, usually relatives.

[n/t]

Are they not required to take those courses n/t?

Serious question, if they're in the US legally and trying to get citizenship they have to take those courses. The biggest problem is a lot of them are here on visas for school or work and they don't intend to become citizens.

We have a large Portuguese population in my town. There are no problems as a result, they maintain the nicest cleanest homes as a general rule and their values are the same if not more conservative leaning.

The point is, they come here to learn a trade, earn a good amount of money doing so on the job, and then go home and live well on their savings & a trade. They'll stay for five years or so and then go home. We have a machine screw shop in town that welcomes them, the current employees sponsor the new arrivals, usually relatives.

I don't know what courses are required for citizenship here in Canada. I'm guessing it would be the same as in the USA. Do they teach the laws of our countries? What the ramifications are if you break the law? That, I do not know.

Portugal is a European, democratic country so I would not compare them to the Middle Eastern or African countries.

We're still at war with Afghanistan and although I'm sure the people seeking refuge and citizenship here are looking for a better life than they did back home, I am not sure they totally grasp what it means to live in this country. They bring their culture and idealistic views (including their religious beliefs) and some cannot accept what it means to live in a free & democratic society.

All this to say, that's why we have these "honour killings". Their children integrate with the American way and become Canadians and/or Americans and with that comes the freedoms they did not have back home. Many especially males do not and will not accept their daughters new found life and will kill them for the most inconceivable reasons including:

Refusing to cover their hair, faces, or bodies; wearing makeup; chosen friends from another religion; dated; pursued an education; refused an arranged marriage; asked for a divorce from a violent husband; or married against their parents' wishes. (per my link above)

I realize these are the extremists but there have been over 5000 honour killings and from what I have read most are Muslim women.

I hope these 4 victims of this latest crime will get justice and those responsible punished to the extent of the law. Canadian Law.

As for that little 8 year old in the US who was brutally raped, I hope she never sees her family again and that she is adopted by a family who love and cherish her for who she is.

[R~O~S]

I know that a naturalized citizen knows our laws and rights better than most born in the USA citizens. I have a lot of naturalized friends. The study they have to go through and the test for citizenship is more than any school teaches our kids all through school.

I know, which is why I said our foreign population is different. I'm grateful we don't have the culture issues other areas have. We really don't. We have a lot of foreigners, but not from the Islamic regions.

[n/t]

Shafia was attacked in prison.

http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/kingston-tragedy/index.html

He's now sharing a cell with daddy.

http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Kingston+deaths+suspects+share+cell/1844454/story.html

Muslim group decries 'honour killings'

http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Muslim+group+decries+honour+killings/1839186/story.html

[worried]

I don't know what courses are required for citizenship here in Canada. I'm guessing it would be the same as in the USA. Do they teach the laws of our countries? What the ramifications are if you break the law? That, I do not know.

Portugal is a European, democratic country so I would not compare them to the Middle Eastern or African countries.

We're still at war with Afghanistan and although I'm sure the people seeking refuge and citizenship here are looking for a better life than they did back home, I am not sure they totally grasp what it means to live in this country. They bring their culture and idealistic views (including their religious beliefs) and some cannot accept what it means to live in a free & democratic society.

All this to say, that's why we have these "honour killings". Their children integrate with the American way and become Canadians and/or Americans and with that comes the freedoms they did not have back home. Many especially males do not and will not accept their daughters new found life and will kill them for the most inconceivable reasons including:

Refusing to cover their hair, faces, or bodies; wearing makeup; chosen friends from another religion; dated; pursued an education; refused an arranged marriage; asked for a divorce from a violent husband; or married against their parents' wishes. (per my link above)

I realize these are the extremists but there have been over 5000 honour killings and from what I have read most are Muslim women.

I hope these 4 victims of this latest crime will get justice and those responsible punished to the extent of the law. Canadian Law.

As for that little 8 year old in the US who was brutally raped, I hope she never sees her family again and that she is adopted by a family who love and cherish her for who she is.

You have to love it. These horrible men drag their women from their own country and then do not allow them to live freely in their new country. Having said that, I have many middle eastern friends who are as American as I am. There is ignorance everywhere. Honor killings are ignorant, racism is ignorant, some religious beliefs are ignorant. Nothing gets me more heated though than women being treated like dogs and slaves. Afghanistan seems to be a breeding ground for this type of behavior amongst men. Maybe it is time for the Muslim community to talk to the clerics over there.

[streeter]

The local paper has published an investigative report (http://www.thewhig.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=1760401) on this case.

There's some new information with respect to the timeline and the movements of the accused. There's also some video with an explanation of how the car got into the water.

It appears that they backed the car that the girls were in up to the water's edge, and then used the other family car to "headbutt" the girls' car into the water. :cursing:

[Pretty Leaf]

Thank you for posting that article. Very interesting read. I wondered how that car came there and it never ceases to amaze me the lengths some will go to when wanting to revenge someone elses liberties.

Hope that Mom, Pop and Sonnyboy get life and let it be known to others that murder, culteral or not, will not be tolerated in any form. This is not the 1st killing linked to "honour killings" in Canada. People should know it is not tolerated in western countries.

[aproudmom]

The local paper has published an investigative report (http://www.thewhig.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=1760401) on this case.

There's some new information with respect to the timeline and the movements of the accused. There's also some video with an explanation of how the car got into the water.

It appears that they backed the car that the girls were in up to the water's edge, and then used the other family car to "headbutt" the girls' car into the water. :cursing:

thanks streeter wondered if there was anything new