July 18, 7/19.7/20

[Postergeist]

Good morning all-

a year ago today here is a transcript of jail house phone call between Casey and Cindy

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/092608jailcall/indexGallery.htm

[sammy62]

morning...everyone sleeping in this morning

[Postergeist]

a year ago on Friday, July 17

a cadaver dog alerts on odor in the trunk of the car Casey drive

investigators find a hair similar to Caylee's, dirt and a questionable stain in the trunk

investigators search the backyard of the Anthony home and cadaver dogs alert to areas in the back yard

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/nationworld/orl-caylee-anthony-case,0,3157747.htmlpage

[Postergeist]

morning...everyone sleeping in this morning

Morning sammy! I think many are still catching up on the rest of yesterday's posts.


(I'm getting ready to start cutting up cabbage to make KFC coleslaw, as we'll be smoking 2 racks of ribs later today)

[martha]

Morning sammy! I think many are still catching up on the rest of yesterday's posts.


(I'm getting ready to start cutting up cabbage to make KFC coleslaw, as we'll be smoking 2 racks of ribs later today) Hi honey, wish I knew where you lived I would be on my way to see you because that all sounds so very good. I just can;t believe it has been over a year since this all started I thought we would have had a trial by now but guess it will be a long time coming. I know the def.will put it of as long as they can.The foundation must be doing really good for c and g so they or in no hurry. I would think casey would be getting up set with her lawyers because I know she wants out of jail. She never dreamed she would have to sit in jail all this time.She had always lied her self out of everything and she really thougth everyone would believe her about Caylee. I am so glad they found her little body.If they had not then the a;s would still be saying she is a missing child.which we know is not true.everyone have a good day.jmho

[msgatorslayer]

Good morning all-

a year ago today here is a transcript of jail house phone call between Casey and Cindy

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/092608jailcall/indexGallery.htm

Morning!!

This is going to be the best, most interesting trial to watch!!

I have no idea how they are going to defend Casey. There is so much against her. I'm :rolleyes: reading this jail house transcript.

[Myka]

Morning!!

This is going to be the best, most interesting trial to watch!!

I have no idea how they are going to defend Casey. There is so much against her. I'm :rolleyes: reading this jail house transcript.

ITA and I just don't see how they are going to explain the 31 days

[Myka]

a year ago on Friday, July 17

a cadaver dog alerts on odor in the trunk of the car Casey drive

investigators find a hair similar to Caylee's, dirt and a questionable stain in the trunk

investigators search the backyard of the Anthony home and cadaver dogs alert to areas in the back yard

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/nationworld/orl-caylee-anthony-case,0,3157747.htmlpage


wow, I just noticed this:
Casey says just give me Tone's number
Cindy says she doesn't have Tone's number


ok, if Tone was her boyfriend, wouldn't she know his phone number by heart?

[Postergeist]

Hi honey, wish I knew where you lived I would be on my way to see you because that all sounds so very good. I just can;t believe it has been over a year since this all started I thought we would have had a trial by now but guess it will be a long time coming. I know the def.will put it of as long as they can.The foundation must be doing really good for c and g so they or in no hurry. I would think casey would be getting up set with her lawyers because I know she wants out of jail. She never dreamed she would have to sit in jail all this time.She had always lied her self out of everything and she really thougth everyone would believe her about Caylee. I am so glad they found her little body.If they had not then the a;s would still be saying she is a missing child.which we know is not true.everyone have a good day.jmho

Mornin' Martha! I'm in B'ham- and I should have extra! :biggrin: Just hoping it won't rain today- (we'll be using charcoal and hickory wood chips- and it was a bargain- Smithfield ribs for $1.99 lb)

I can't imagine that the A's haven't seen Casey since Oct. It seems that Casey really has no interest to see her brother or parents- if it was my family member and I thought they were innocent, I'd go visit, and let the recordings be da*med.

Even if they weren't innocent- I think I'd make a visit or two just to let them know family news, cousin so & so got married, aunt so & so had surgery...that sort of thing.

I'm glad they found little Caylee as well martha- but I've never been comfortable with the idea of cremation, and that seems to be what the family decided to do.

[Postergeist]

Morning!!

This is going to be the best, most interesting trial to watch!!

I have no idea how they are going to defend Casey. There is so much against her. I'm :rolleyes: reading this jail house transcript.

Mornin' fair slayer~ actually, parts of the trial may be very boring, lol if the lawyers don't reign in the A's (if any take the stand)

this morning I've listened to 2 of Lee's hidden convo tapes with Tony and omg- the first segment is entirely his discussion of being chased.

Everyone in this family likes the showmanship!

[Postergeist]

wow, I just noticed this:
Casey says just give me Tone's number
Cindy says she doesn't have Tone's number


ok, if Tone was her boyfriend, wouldn't she know his phone number by heart?

mornin' Myka- I read thru it again too to make notes-

this is of course when we all got to hear for the first time-

CMA…saw your nice little cameo on TV today

Cindy…blame yourself for telling lies

CMA…there’s absolutely nothing to find out

LA…everything that you’re telling them is a lie

KC…if anything happens to Caylee, Casey I’ll just die…

CMA- Oh well
CMA- Nobody in my family is on my side



to list just a few

and drum roll please-

Casey mentions Tony's name to each person that spoke to her-

and in total- she says Tony's name 14 times

Tony's name is mentioned first before Caylee's name ever gets uttered

Caylee is mentioned by name from her mom a total of 9 times


just by looking at that- it would seem that the high priority is

Tony over Caylee


(and I'm bad about remembering anyone cell #- I don't even have my own memorized)

[Scampi]

Good morning all-

a year ago today here is a transcript of jail house phone call between Casey and Cindy

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/092608jailcall/indexGallery.htm

Ah yes, the infamous jailhouse phone call, when the public got their first taste of this murder suspect's malignant heart:

Kristina: If anything happens to Caylee Casey I'll die (crying.) You understand I'll die if anthing happens....

Casey: Oh, well...

Kristina: ... to that baby (continuing to cry)

Casey: Oh, my God. Calling you guys, a waste. A huge waste.

IMO, this phone call will have a huge impact on the jury and set the tone for the entire trial.

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Now, all aboard for Postie's house.......lol. v

[Postergeist]

lol Scampi! toot toot! (I also have Curly's baked beans and fresh blueberries and the buttermilk for the coleslaw!)

here's a link that shows the timeline of events from July 15 thru July 21 of last year.

http://investigation.discovery.com/blogs/criminal-report/casey_anthony_full_coverage/timeline/july15-july21/july15-july21.html


and here's another good link to timelines (I realize most of these have been posted many times, but it's handy now)

http://humbleopinion.wordpress.com/caylees-timeline/

[Scampi]

lol Scampi! toot toot! (I also have Curly's baked beans and fresh blueberries and the buttermilk for the coleslaw!)

here's a link that shows the timeline of events from July 15 thru July 21 of last year.

http://investigation.discovery.com/blogs/criminal-report/casey_anthony_full_coverage/timeline/july15-july21/july15-july21.html


and here's another good link to timelines (I realize most of these have been posted many times, but it's handy now)

http://humbleopinion.wordpress.com/caylees-timeline/

Hiya sistergirlfriend!! Hub and I were just talking about KFC coleslaw, I just looked up the recipe online. Gonna make is soon.

Thanks for all these links, it's too bad that the trial is so far in the future. God only knows what's going to happen between then and now. At least we can all rest assured this murder suspect is in a cage while we wait.

[jammies]

Ah yes, the infamous jailhouse phone call, when the public got their first taste of this murder suspect's malignant heart:

Kristina: If anything happens to Caylee Casey I'll die (crying.) You understand I'll die if anthing happens....

Casey: Oh, well...

Kristina: ... to that baby (continuing to cry)

Casey: Oh, my God. Calling you guys, a waste. A huge waste.

IMO, this phone call will have a huge impact on the jury and set the tone for the entire trial.

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Now, all aboard for Postie's house.......lol. v



If I were a juror that call would be the only evidence I needed.

That one phone call just says it all.

[Postergeist]

Hiya sistergirlfriend!! Hub and I were just talking about KFC coleslaw, I just looked up the recipe online. Gonna make is soon.

Thanks for all these links, it's too bad that the trial is so far in the future. God only knows what's going to happen between then and now. At least we can all rest assured this murder suspect is in a cage while we wait.

Hey ya hon- that's the recipe I've used before is the one online and it is good! (I've not attempted their gravy recipe yet, but I do love KFC's gravy)

About half way thru Part 3 of the hidden video with Lee and Tony, the first mention of the first jail house call gets mentioned *the July 18, 08 jail call*

(*caution- does contain explicit language, Lee is quite the potty mouth- approx. 16 min. in they discuss that call)

http://www.wftv.com/video/19106469/index.html

[Myka]

lol Scampi! toot toot! (I also have Curly's baked beans and fresh blueberries and the buttermilk for the coleslaw!)

here's a link that shows the timeline of events from July 15 thru July 21 of last year.

http://investigation.discovery.com/blogs/criminal-report/casey_anthony_full_coverage/timeline/july15-july21/july15-july21.html


and here's another good link to timelines (I realize most of these have been posted many times, but it's handy now)

http://humbleopinion.wordpress.com/caylees-timeline/

dang, I'm in Biloxi, I can be in B'ham in about 5 hrs lol.....btw, good price on the ribs


as to the phone call, in the beginning, Cindy tells Casey blame yourself for all the lies.
I find this funny because ( and we know now) Cindy can't tell the truth to save her life

[Myka]

Prolly like all us high tech people it was in her phone and you just hit a speed dial...I myself can't tell you new numbers in my phone...only old ones before when you had to actually dial them and memorize them...LOL

yes, I have to agree to that.


I wonder what she would have told Tone if Lee gave Casey his phone number. I would have loved to her that convo!

[CelticDawn]

Ah yes, the infamous jailhouse phone call, when the public got their first taste of this murder suspect's malignant heart:

Kristina: If anything happens to Caylee Casey I'll die (crying.) You understand I'll die if anthing happens....

Casey: Oh, well...

Kristina: ... to that baby (continuing to cry)

Casey: Oh, my God. Calling you guys, a waste. A huge waste.

IMO, this phone call will have a huge impact on the jury and set the tone for the entire trial.

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Now, all aboard for Postie's house.......lol. v


OMG!!!!! And when they put the needle in her arm....I will be thinking "Oh well......" and thanking God that there IS justice in this world.

[gaelicpeas]

yes, I have to agree to that.


I wonder what she would have told Tone if Lee gave Casey his phone number. I would have loved to her that convo!Yes, it seems a number of people refused her jail calls. I agree, it would have been nice to hear all of them, but I can certainly understand why they refused them!

[bchand]

yes, I have to agree to that.


I wonder what she would have told Tone if Lee gave Casey his phone number. I would have loved to her that convo!

She eventually did get his number but he wouldn't accept the call.

[Scampi]

OMG!!!!! And when they put the needle in her arm....I will be thinking "Oh well......" and thanking God that there IS justice in this world.

Yep, I don't see how this defense can ever erase what the jury is going to hear and see with their own eyes.

BTW, loved what you said about WC: Trailing Winds and Prevailing seas...... :seeya:

[ttcRider]

lol Scampi! toot toot! (I also have Curly's baked beans and fresh blueberries and the buttermilk for the coleslaw!)

here's a link that shows the timeline of events from July 15 thru July 21 of last year.

http://investigation.discovery.com/blogs/criminal-report/casey_anthony_full_coverage/timeline/july15-july21/july15-july21.html


and here's another good link to timelines (I realize most of these have been posted many times, but it's handy now)

http://humbleopinion.wordpress.com/caylees-timeline/

Can I have a link to those receipes!! :laugh:

[Sun]

yes, I have to agree to that.


I wonder what she would have told Tone if Lee gave Casey his phone number. I would have loved to her that convo!

Casey did get TonEs phone number, though iirc, never did get to talk with him. I believe that Casey even tried to use Baez to be able to talk with TonE (which didn't work for her).

Casey's obsession with wanting to speak to TonE, rather than to show concern over Caylee, doesn't make sense. No loving mother would do this.

[ttcRider]

Casey did get TonEs phone number, though iirc, never did get to talk with him. I believe that Casey even tried to use Baez to be able to talk with TonE (which didn't work for her).

Casey's obsession with wanting to speak to TonE, rather than to show concern over Caylee, doesn't make sense. No loving mother would do this.

Makes you wonder what she would have said to TonE if she did get through. :confused: I wonder if she would try to down play the whole arrest as a 'HUGE' misunderstanding OR if she would have spewed her Zanny story to him. She would have to explain to him why she never confided in him about Caylees 'disappearance'.

[Sun]

Makes you wonder what she would have said to TonE if she did get through. :confused: I wonder if she would try to down play the whole arrest as a 'HUGE' misunderstanding OR if she would have spewed her Zanny story to him. She would have to explain to him why she never confided in him about Caylees 'disappearance'.

I can't think like Casey, no matter how hard that I try. Didn't LE get approval to tap TonE's phone just in case Casey tried to contact him again? With TonE's approval and cooperation.

[seeing_eye]

Mornin' Martha! I'm in B'ham- and I should have extra! :biggrin: Just hoping it won't rain today- (we'll be using charcoal and hickory wood chips- and it was a bargain- Smithfield ribs for $1.99 lb)

I can't imagine that the A's haven't seen Casey since Oct. It seems that Casey really has no interest to see her brother or parents- if it was my family member and I thought they were innocent, I'd go visit, and let the recordings be da*med.

Even if they weren't innocent- I think I'd make a visit or two just to let them know family news, cousin so & so got married, aunt so & so had surgery...that sort of thing.

I'm glad they found little Caylee as well martha- but I've never been comfortable with the idea of cremation, and that seems to be what the family decided to do.

I don't believe the Anthonys not visiting Casey is because of the recordings mainly because the Anthonys say it is. I think it's because Casey is refusing their visits either because it's her choice or because Jose has ordered it -- or both. The Anthonys claim it's because of the jailhouse recordings because they don't want us FLB's to know they're being snubbed. JMO

[Sun]

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20089919/detail.html

Exhibit A - Privacy Agreement

6. At no time will the Parties of the Second Part discuss any possibility of financial gain regarding the rights of the story, be it movie, book, or television rights.


This is one of the statements on the signed Privacy Agreement that Baez is trying to use to bar LP and his group from being allowed to testify. And, to also prevent the release of LE's interviews to the media/public (Sunshine Law).

When I read this statement, it gives me the impression that Baez is stating that there IS A STORY. And, that financial gain is a possibility. .....I'm just thinking back to the court hearing and the affidavite where Casey swore under oath that she had not sold the rights to her story.

[Sun]

According to defense lawyer Richard Hornsby, the agreement is worthless because Florida statutes do not allow attorneys and bail bondsmen to enter in to those types of confidentiality arrangements. He also says JB should have advised his client to not say anything to anyone.

http://www.wesh.com/news/20079093/detail.html

[martha]

Mornin' Martha! I'm in B'ham- and I should have extra! :biggrin: Just hoping it won't rain today- (we'll be using charcoal and hickory wood chips- and it was a bargain- Smithfield ribs for $1.99 lb)

I can't imagine that the A's haven't seen Casey since Oct. It seems that Casey really has no interest to see her brother or parents- if it was my family member and I thought they were innocent, I'd go visit, and let the recordings be da*med.

Even if they weren't innocent- I think I'd make a visit or two just to let them know family news, cousin so & so got married, aunt so & so had surgery...that sort of thing.

I'm glad they found little Caylee as well martha- but I've never been comfortable with the idea of cremation, and that seems to be what the family decided to do.ITA with you I sure would go see her not matter if she wanted me to or not.Hey I am not far from you I am in miss.ha,You have a wonderful day and enjoy the food.:wub:

[Bala]

I would have loved to see what would have happened if Padilla refused to sign this agreement. Casey was desperate to get out of jail. She would like Baez blocking her way out. I think Baez has done a lot of manipulating to make sure he stays in the game. It seems Baez was worried about a book deal right from the beginning.

[martha]

OMG!!!!! And when they put the needle in her arm....I will be thinking "Oh well......" and thanking God that there IS justice in this world.OH my honey that is what I am waiting on too. or lwop will be fine too. some days when I read I think she will never have to pay for what she did and then others I just know the jury will make her pay. All I can do is pray for justice for sweet little Caylee. I just hate it when a high price lawyer gets someone out of something when the whole world knows they did it.jmho

[bchand]

This is interesting. I've been browsing around, following links supplied upthread and came to a post by Tony L. He answered some questions at another site. (which can't be linked to IIRC)

This is exactly what he said about the laptop:

yeah well she was on it when amy came to the door i was playing mlb 2k8 with nate and it was plugged in cuz when the deputy that came to look at my place for caylee i told him that it was casey's laptop and we all tried turning it on thought it was dead so we plugged it in and found out then that computer wasnt working and im a smart man with MACs but not PCs so we (including the deputy) just closed it and i told lee about it and he said he would look at it when he got there.

SO, the computer was not intentionally messed up by Lee, and I'm glad to see where I initially got the fact that Tony's laptop was a mac.

He also says:

Again clint is a moron she did not contact me or did I after she was arrested

I'll have to go read his statements to LE to see if he told them she tried to contact him.

[martha]

I would have loved to see what would have happened if Padilla refused to sign this agreement. Casey was desperate to get out of jail. She would like Baez blocking her way out. I think Baez has done a lot of manipulating to make sure he stays in the game. It seems Baez was worried about a book deal right from the beginning.ITA that is the reason he is in it for the book deal he just knows he will be rich after this case. It seems like c and g have already gotten rick of of Caylee. I just can;t believe that the whole a;s bunch cared anything about this child. Maybe it is just me. jmho

[Sun]

I would have loved to see what would have happened if Padilla refused to sign this agreement. Casey was desperate to get out of jail. She would like Baez blocking her way out. I think Baez has done a lot of manipulating to make sure he stays in the game. It seems Baez was worried about a book deal right from the beginning.

5. At no time will the Parties of the Second Part attempt to destroy the attorney/client relationship by introducing outside counsel or putting the Defendant in contact with any lawyer outside of the firm.

Baez sure does seem to be trying to protect his ownership of Casey. Unreal.

I have a feeling that this agreement is going to blow up bigtime in Baez's face.

[Sun]

He also says:

Again clint is a moron she did not contact me or did I after she was arrested

I'll have to go read his statements to LE to see if he told them she tried to contact him.

It's my understanding that TonE didn't talk with Casey after she was placed under arrest. I think that Casey told Cindy in one of those jail visitations, that Tony wouldn't accept her calls.... I may need to re-watch to make sure though. (of course we all know that Casey lies, so statements like this made by her are always suspect)

I do believe that Casey and TonE were in contact BEFORE Casey's arrest, but after the time that everyone found out that she told LE that Caylee had been taken by zanny.

[Bala]

5. At no time will the Parties of the Second Part attempt to destroy the attorney/client relationship by introducing outside counsel or putting the Defendant in contact with any lawyer outside of the firm.

Baez sure does seem to be trying to protect his ownership of Casey. Unreal.

I have a feeling that this agreement is going to blow up bigtime in Baez's face.

Wow sure does say a lot about Baez and his intentions. I wonder if LKB and Lyon had to sign some kind of agreement to keep Baez on.

[101Spots]

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20089919/detail.html

Exhibit A - Privacy Agreement

6. At no time will the Parties of the Second Part discuss any possibility of financial gain regarding the rights of the story, be it movie, book, or television rights.


This is one of the statements on the signed Privacy Agreement that Baez is trying to use to bar LP and his group from being allowed to testify. And, to also prevent the release of LE's interviews to the media/public (Sunshine Law).

When I read this statement, it gives me the impression that Baez is stating that there IS A STORY. And, that financial gain is a possibility. .....I'm just thinking back to the court hearing and the affidavite where Casey swore under oath that she had not sold the rights to her story.

I get the feeling that Jose could sniff out a rusty quarter in a landfill at 1,000 paces. And beat you to the spot even if you had a 900-pace head start. It's pretty obvious what his priorities were even back then.

[Sun]

Wow sure does say a lot about Baez and his intentions. I wonder if LKB and Lyon had to sign some kind of agreement to keep Baez on.

I so look forward to seeing the LE interviews of LP and his group. And, I sure wish that I knew what Judge Strickland may think about this Privacy Agreement. Perhaps we will find out in a couple of months.

[Bala]

I would love to see the bar step in a declare Baez is putting his own best interest ahead of his clients and remove him from the case. Image him scampering away with his tail between his legs.

[seeing_eye]

She eventually did get his number but he wouldn't accept the call.

Can you imagine Casey's demeanor when Tone refused her phone call? :w00t:

[Sun]

Can you imagine Casey's demeanor when Tone refused her phone call? :w00t:

Most likely Red Zone rage! Somehow, I don't think that Casey is the type who takes kindly to being "dumped" or "ignored."

[Bala]

The more I read about Baez the more I wonder how someone with the reputation that LKB and Lyon have would attach their names to his. This agreement with Padilla only strengthens my belief that Baez has a secret book deal and Casey lied for him and the whole thing will blow sky high during the trial.

[Imperfect4]

She eventually did get his number but he wouldn't accept the call.

I laugh out loud every time I read about that! :laugh:

[101Spots]

Most likely Red Zone rage! Somehow, I don't think that Casey is the type who takes kindly to being "dumped" or "ignored."

My money is on 15 seconds of "#$%^U&^%$#," then moving right along to the next one on the list (William Waters?). She has no real attachment to anybody, including the males in her life. Easy come, easy go.

[Bala]

I actual believe that Casey thinks her and Baez are going to skip off into the sunset together with the money they make off the book deals and pictures of poor Caylee.

[seeing_eye]

ITA with you I sure would go see her not matter if she wanted me to or not.Hey I am not far from you I am in miss.ha,You have a wonderful day and enjoy the food.:wub:

You can't see an inmate if they refuse the visit.

[Julie Dupree]

Interesting article:
ID Exclusive: Criminal Proflier Calls Casey Anthony "Dark Damsel"

In it she writes:
"In her eyes, those close to her are mere thing that can be tossed in the trash when they get in the way. Follow her men, and you will follow her thinking. What that means is female predators are especially driven by their need to feel sexual and appealing. They need their men more than they need their familes. Male attention is exciting, while family is judgemental. Men build her ego, but their children tear it down. What feeds her ego? If you figure this out, you figure her out. Seduce-circle-kill."

The article can be found at:

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2008/07/id-exclusive-cr.html

[Julie Dupree]

More from the same author:

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2008/08/criminal-profil.html

[iluvmua]

I can't think of any other murder case that had more evidence then this one.

It will be interesting to see which evidence they decide to show the jury.

how long is the Trial supposed to be? weeks? months?

[martha]

You can't see an inmate if they refuse the visit.Yes I know you or right about this but just let me say I would try to see her. If she did not want to see me then there would be no way I could see her. I know I would be on my knees begging her to see me. jmho

[seeing_eye]

I can't think of any other murder case that had more evidence then this one.

It will be interesting to see which evidence they decide to show the jury.

how long is the Trial supposed to be? weeks? months?

It ought to last about 30 seconds. Prosecutor: 31 days. Jury: Guilty!

[FrankieBones1]

wow, I just noticed this:
Casey says just give me Tone's number
Cindy says she doesn't have Tone's number


ok, if Tone was her boyfriend, wouldn't she know his phone number by heart?
Not necessarily. Especially with cell phones.

Sometimes I'll have someone just punch their info into my cell and it is always there like speed dial.

[cassidy]

I can't think of any other murder case that had more evidence then this one.

It will be interesting to see which evidence they decide to show the jury.
how long is the Trial supposed to be? weeks? months?

More to the point, which evidence they ar allowed to show to the jury :(

[FrankieBones1]

Good morning all-

a year ago today here is a transcript of jail house phone call between Casey and Cindy

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/092608jailcall/indexGallery.htm

Any idea when this trial will get off the ground and if it'll be shown live on TV?

[FrankieBones1]

ITA with you I sure would go see her not matter if she wanted me to or not.Hey I am not far from you I am in miss.ha,You have a wonderful day and enjoy the food.:wub:
I would be on the fence on that issue. Not sure if I'd want to see her.

[Sun]

More to the point, which evidence they ar allowed to show to the jury :(

I am probably going to be very surprised what is, and what is not allowed in at trial. The media has added quite a huge amount of drama, and I think that in the courtroom, the lack of truth from Casey from the get-go will be a huge obstacle for the defense to overcome.

[cassidy]

I am probably going to be very surprised what is, and what is not allowed in at trial. The media has added quite a huge amount of drama, and I think that in the courtroom, the lack of truth from Casey from the get-go will be a huge obstacle for the defense to overcome.

31 days coupled with a multitude of lies should be enough to bring her down. I don't see a way the defense can get around those 2 issues.

[vagal]

Any idea when this trial will get off the ground and if it'll be shown live on TV?

Not sure how to do this but they were supposed to go in October but it has ben postponed until Jan of 2010..

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-bk-casey-anthony-trial-date-canceled-070709,0,3746045.story

[Sun]

Not sure how to do this but they were supposed to go in October but it has ben postponed until Jan of 2010..

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-bk-casey-anthony-trial-date-canceled-070709,0,3746045.story

Yes, the Oct 2009 trial date was cancelled, and a status/pre-trial conference was set for Jan 21. At that time, they may discuss setting a future court date.

[happygert]

Hey ya hon- that's the recipe I've used before is the one online and it is good! (I've not attempted their gravy recipe yet, but I do love KFC's gravy)

About half way thru Part 3 of the hidden video with Lee and Tony, the first mention of the first jail house call gets mentioned *the July 18, 08 jail call*

(*caution- does contain explicit language, Lee is quite the potty mouth- approx. 16 min. in they discuss that call)

http://www.wftv.com/video/19106469/index.html

Right off the get go Lee says casey's had to start over with new friends.. The diary entry.. all new friends.. that dam diary page was wrote after casey murdered Caylee.... im sure d.a's office had a ink expert check ink out..

[eastside joe]

Right off the get go Lee says casey's had to start over with new friends.. The diary entry.. all new friends.. that dam diary page was wrote after casey murdered Caylee.... im sure d.a's office had a ink expert check ink out..

What I found intriguing and interesting in one of the jail house calls was, Lee asks Casey name by name who she could trust. The last two people he asks her if she could trust were mom and dad. What's up with that? What kind of family is that where you have to ask your sibling if you could trust mom or dad?

[Imperfect4]

What I found intriguing and interesting in one of the jail house calls was, Lee asks Casey name by name who she could trust. The last two people he asks her if she could trust were mom and dad. What's up with that? What kind of family is that where you have to ask your sibling if you could trust mom or dad?

Wait for it ...











The Anthonys! :laugh:

[bchand]

What I found intriguing and interesting in one of the jail house calls was, Lee asks Casey name by name who she could trust. The last two people he asks her if she could trust were mom and dad. What's up with that? What kind of family is that where you have to ask your sibling if you could trust mom or dad?

I forget what her answer was. lol

[Barbara fl.]

Right off the get go Lee says casey's had to start over with new friends.. The diary entry.. all new friends.. that dam diary page was wrote after casey murdered Caylee.... im sure d.a's office had a ink expert check ink out..


I thought that also...but why wouldn't they just throw out the whole diary rather then try and alter it?....No one would have been the wiser....

Now, if the diary was known about by LE and they had to produce it, then I could understand them tampering with the dates....

This family is just to hard to figure out....

[martha]

I thought that also...but why wouldn't they just throw out the whole diary rather then try and alter it?....No one would have been the wiser....

Now, if the diary was known about by LE and they had to produce it, then I could understand them tampering with the dates....

This family is just to hard to figure out.... You or so right I have never seen or meet anyone like the a's I don;t understand anything they do or say. I have never seen anyone as cold hearted as casey is. No one I know would wait 31 days to tell any one their baby was missing even if someone had taken her. I bet tony could not believe she had never said a word to him about caylee missing. They were togeather and sleeping in the same bed and she never said one word to him about Caylee.Why would she not tell tony and have him help her look for her? It is all so crazy and I think the whole a;s bunch has something bad wrong with them.jmho

[djmsmom]

What happened to all the FLBs, it's sat night am I the only one with nothing else to do?

[Bala]

That fact that no one notice anything different about Casey says a lot. She wasn't upset or crying or agitated just the same old Casey yet her baby was missing. She never called one person to she if they knew where Zanny was nor did she call one hospital to she if there had been an accident and Zanny and Caylee had been hurt. She didn't call the police to see if there had been an accident. She somehow came up with Zanny had kidnapped Caylee. And at the end of every day she laid down and went to sleep. Who sleeps when their baby is out there somewhere crying for their mother. CASEY!

[apothecary]

What happened to all the FLBs, it's sat night am I the only one with nothing else to do?
I'm still here.Gee for a while I thought we had been bad and had been shut down again.Good to see someone else is here:biggrin:

[apothecary]

That fact that no one notice anything different about Casey says a lot. She wasn't upset or crying or agitated just the same old Casey yet her baby was missing. She never called one person to she if they knew where Zanny was nor did she call one hospital to she if there had been an accident and Zanny and Caylee had been hurt. She didn't call the police to see if there had been an accident. She somehow came up with Zanny had kidnapped Caylee. And at the end of every day she laid down and went to sleep. Who sleeps when their baby is out there somewhere crying for their mother. CASEY!
Meanwhile her daughter is rotting in her trunk and later in a garbage bag.She did not lose any sleep over it.Not even a little bit nervous..well maybe a little bit when Tone said she woke up with sweats a couple of times.How she could live with this is unbelievable and to think she probably got decomp fluid on herself when she moved the body from the trunk to the woods.How could she?She treated her precious daughter like some rotting garbage.

[bchand]

What happened to all the FLBs, it's sat night am I the only one with nothing else to do?

I'm here too - not F, sometimes admit to being lazy, but I do get my 10 miles a week in on the treadmill.

Mama Mia is on tonight and it's so cute.

Whatever any of us is doing on this Saturday night, I'll bet it's more fun than Casey is having.

[Bala]

And there is not once that anyone in the Anthony family went on TV and begged Zanny to please bring our precious Caylee home we love her and miss her.

[apothecary]

And there is not once that anyone in the Anthony family went on TV and begged Zanny to please bring our precious Caylee home we love her and miss her.
I did not hear a "please don't hurt her" from any member of the family.One of the most telling videos was the one where Tone secretly taped Lee.There did not seem to be any concern for Caylee by Lee at all.No questions asked to Tone about if he knew where Caylee could be.All he seemed to talk about was Casey and how devious she could be and how he was used to her actions.Maybe at this time he thought Casey was hiding Caylee,but he did not say so to Tone.There was no urgency by Lee at all.

[Anakerie]

What happened to all the FLBs, it's sat night am I the only one with nothing else to do?
I'm sort of here.. Just lurking, as usual. I was wondering where everyone went too..

[Sun]

That fact that no one notice anything different about Casey says a lot. She wasn't upset or crying or agitated just the same old Casey yet her baby was missing. She never called one person to she if they knew where Zanny was nor did she call one hospital to she if there had been an accident and Zanny and Caylee had been hurt. She didn't call the police to see if there had been an accident. She somehow came up with Zanny had kidnapped Caylee. And at the end of every day she laid down and went to sleep. Who sleeps when their baby is out there somewhere crying for their mother. CASEY!

Wasn't it said that Casey slept very little from June 30th through July 5th? When Tony was in NY. ....something seems wrong with this picture.

[Anakerie]

And there is not once that anyone in the Anthony family went on TV and begged Zanny to please bring our precious Caylee home we love her and miss her.

I did not hear a "please don't hurt her" from any member of the family.One of the most telling videos was the one where Tone secretly taped Lee.There did not seem to be any concern for Caylee by Lee at all.No questions asked to Tone about if he knew where Caylee could be.All he seemed to talk about was Casey and how devious she could be and how he was used to her actions.Maybe at this time he thought Casey was hiding Caylee,but he did not say so to Tone.There was no urgency by Lee at all.The only thing we heard from the Anthonys were demands that the rest of the world get off our collective azzes and go search for Caylee.. Mind you, that there were conditions involved. The only searches the Anthony clan would approve were "live" searches. Of course they'd accept plane tickets, hotel rooms and lavish dinners so that they could go eat at a restaurant that a "sighting" had happened at.

IMO, the Anthony clan knew that Caylee would not be found alive. They just wanted the show to last a bit longer than December so they could really reap the profits from their "fundation". Too bad for them that Caylee's remains were found before they really got the "fundation" up and running.

[Bala]

I still remember 25 years ago when my 5 year old niece got lost on the way home from school. Her older sister had left without her and she tried to find her way home alone. When my sister called me the panic in her voice was all I remember. We were lucky and someone saw her walking up and down the street and called police. My sister didn't sleep for days afterward. Caylee was missing 31 days and Casey went out partying and having sleepovers at Tony's. Casey was out living "the beautiful life" while Caylee rotted in the trunk of her care. No matter where Baez moves the trial to there are not 12 people in the entire world that will be able to get past this.

[Imperfect4]

I'm here.

Throughout the time Caylee was "missing," I was both blown away and really disturbed by the fact none of the Ants ever publicly expressed any concern for Caylee's well-being. Other families of missing children can barely hold it together during their interviews -- their pain and fear is written all over them.

Not so the Anthonys. Not a one of them. They are either so narcissistic as a group they have no capacity to feel pain or fear for another, OR, they knew or were very suspicious Caylee was already gone.

[apothecary]

I still find it so hard to understand how Casey could act as she did.There was absolutely no sign of remorse and shame for causing them so much trouble.No thought about how Caylee might be feeling or if she was afraid.No thoughts about how anyone else felt.It is all about her.I just dont understand.

[martha]

I think they all knew that caylee was gone. They could not even put up a pretend care for her. Even susan smith did put on a good show.I am glad she is in prison and hope she rots there. None of the a;s have even tryed to look like they were worried about Caylee all they can talk about is Casey and what a good mother she was and how much she loved Caylee well it sure does not show in fact it does not look like any of the a;s cared one thing about Caylee. I have read more from the posters on here about their love for Caylee than has ever come out of the mouth of one of the a;s. You would think Lee would care but no he don;t even care. They all know casey and know what she is capable of doing. I think they knew when Caylee was not with casey what had happened. why go search you own back yard. That is crazy. If casey gets out of this I think something bad will happen to her in the future.I bet all the people that live close to the a;s wish they would move. Where is cindy;s family and were is george;s family. I don;t see any friends coming to their house to sup.them. I bet Tony can;t believe for 31 days casey did not say a word to him about caylee missing.I don;t blame him for not taking her calls. He better be thankful he is away from casey which I am sure he is.jmho

[martha]

Meanwhile her daughter is rotting in her trunk and later in a garbage bag.She did not lose any sleep over it.Not even a little bit nervous..well maybe a little bit when Tone said she woke up with sweats a couple of times.How she could live with this is unbelievable and to think she probably got decomp fluid on herself when she moved the body from the trunk to the woods.How could she?She treated her precious daughter like some rotting garbage.Oh my ITA with you how she could drive around with her baby in the trunk rotting away and never did she care one bit. Just being the same old casey having a good time parting and staying all night with the boy friend. I don;t think she thought of Caylee one second while she was driving around. I really think casey had done some bad things in the past and her family knew it and so they knew what she was cap.of doing to Caylee. I think they all knew she had killed Caylee and they just went into the defend casey mode. G c and lee never acted like they were really missing Caylee.It had been 31 days since they had seen her I would have been out of my mind long before the 31 days.jmho

[apothecary]

I still wonder what the big high five was between Lee and Casey while she was out on bond.My personal opinion is that Casey signed a big deal with someone for her pictures and was acting like a movie star.Everyone seemed to be willing to pay for her story.The media was lapping all around her.She was famous.Yea,famous all right just like Lizzie Borden ,famous for murder.She is nothing but a baby killer,but in her mind at that time she acted like a celebrity wearing stolen sunglasses strutting with her media binder.

[Katprint]

That fact that no one notice anything different about Casey says a lot. She wasn't upset or crying or agitated just the same old Casey yet her baby was missing. She never called one person to she if they knew where Zanny was nor did she call one hospital to she if there had been an accident and Zanny and Caylee had been hurt. She didn't call the police to see if there had been an accident. She somehow came up with Zanny had kidnapped Caylee. And at the end of every day she laid down and went to sleep. Who sleeps when their baby is out there somewhere crying for their mother. CASEY!
Some people have described noticing something different: Casey partied more. Before Casey got rid of Caylee, Casey had to stay home with Caylee unless she fooled Cindy into watching Caylee - for example by claiming that she had to work when she was really going to the No Clothes party. After Casey killed Caylee, Casey could spend as much time as she wanted with her boyfriend or at parties or at nightclubs or out stealing or getting tattoos or whatever else she felt like doing on the spur of the moment, without the burdens and responsibilities of motherhood.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Wildflowers]

Evening all :seeya:
Does anyone know what happened to Not Dark Yet? Haven't seen her post lately.

[martha]

I still wonder what the big high five was between Lee and Casey while she was out on bond.My personal opinion is that Casey signed a big deal with someone for her pictures and was acting like a movie star.Everyone seemed to be willing to pay for her story.The media was lapping all around her.She was famous.Yea,famous all right just like Lizzie Borden ,famous for murder.She is nothing but a baby killer,but in her mind at that time she acted like a celebrity wearing stolen sunglasses strutting with her media binder.I still wonder about that to it sure looked awful with your child missing or even dead at that time and they or high five each other. casey does think she is a 10 and she loves all the atten.she is getting. I think she is in love with jb and thinks he will leave his wife for her.He might do it he acts pretty crazy about casey.casey loves men but I don;t think she cares much for women. The whole family gets to me and the way they act. I have never seen anyone like them.c and g or doing well now with the money coming in but I hope that stops one of these days and they have to go back to work.If they ever have a trial I sure hope we get to watch it. I bet casey was having to keep her folder to keep up with the lies she had told and make sure she told the same thing when ask. I am sure she could not keep it all straight in her mind. I think that was what cindy was doing to.jmho

[101Spots]

Evening all :seeya:
Does anyone know what happened to Not Dark Yet? Haven't seen her post lately.

Tuba lessons.

[martha]

Some people have described noticing something different: Casey partied more. Before Casey got rid of Caylee, Casey had to stay home with Caylee unless she fooled Cindy into watching Caylee - for example by claiming that she had to work when she was really going to the No Clothes party. After Casey killed Caylee, Casey could spend as much time as she wanted with her boyfriend or at parties or at nightclubs or out stealing or getting tattoos or whatever else she felt like doing on the spur of the moment, without the burdens and responsibilities of motherhood.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions You or so right all her so called friends said she was out more. cindy said she talked to her everyday but I know that is n0t true. How could cindy believe casey when she told her everytime Caylee was sleeping or with the nanny.I would have demanded the nanny;s address or phone # so I could have gone my self and seen Caylee or at least talk to her on the phone. no gm I know would have waited 31 days and not see her gb.jmho

[djmsmom]

I'm here too - not F, sometimes admit to being lazy, but I do get my 10 miles a week in on the treadmill.

Mama Mia is on tonight and it's so cute.

Whatever any of us is doing on this Saturday night, I'll bet it's more fun than Casey is having.

I watched it too bc. And during the wedding the mother had tears in her eyes, and all I have to do is picture my daughter getting married and brings tears to my eyes. Earlier this evening I read the transcripts of Caseys first call to Cindy, it is so creepy, "because i'm not crying every f*cking 2 seconds", she never shed a tear for her daughter. It's so unbelievable. She is the most cold blooded killer I have ever seen.

[djmsmom]

You or so right all her so called friends said she was out more. cindy said she talked to her everyday but I know that is n0t true. How could cindy believe casey when she told her everytime Caylee was sleeping or with the nanny.I would have demanded the nanny;s address or phone # so I could have gone my self and seen Caylee or at least talk to her on the phone. no gm I know would have waited 31 days and not see her gb.jmho

Cindy wanted to be thought of as Caylees mother, and she was on vacation during the first of July. I would have demanded to go get Caylee so I could spend my vacation with her. IMO she knew something was wrong. Very wrong.

[djmsmom]

Some people have described noticing something different: Casey partied more. Before Casey got rid of Caylee, Casey had to stay home with Caylee unless she fooled Cindy into watching Caylee - for example by claiming that she had to work when she was really going to the No Clothes party. After Casey killed Caylee, Casey could spend as much time as she wanted with her boyfriend or at parties or at nightclubs or out stealing or getting tattoos or whatever else she felt like doing on the spur of the moment, without the burdens and responsibilities of motherhood.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

I think Cindy used Caylee to keep Casey home, IMO she should have let her go and party, but made sure she was unable to steal her money or cc. The battle between them is one of the reasons Casey killed her own baby. Not an excuse just a reason. I don't think Cindy ever thought she was capable of such a thing.

[djmsmom]

Am I just talking to myself again???? :tonguewag:

[martha]

Cindy wanted to be thought of as Caylees mother, and she was on vacation during the first of July. I would have demanded to go get Caylee so I could spend my vacation with her. IMO she knew something was wrong. Very wrong.You or so right I had not thought about that but when we were on vacation we always had our grands with us. We even took them on trips with us. We tryed to work it where their mother and daddy could be with us to but it did not work out that way all the time so we just took them with us to places they wanted to go. They loved the water so went there a lot.we took them to the zoo and to 6flags. just anywhere they liked to go. I would have found casey and told her I was taking her with me even if I was just going to stay home. I guess we or not talking about a normal family tho. jmho

[martha]

Am I just talking to myself again???? :tonguewag:no honey you or not talking to your self I am here just reading along with you. I guess everyone is busy tonight and I think I will turn in too. Good night and you have a wonderful day tomorrow.:wub:

[Unleashed]

What happened to all the FLBs, it's sat night am I the only one with nothing else to do?


I'm here.:seeya:

Fashionably late, but here.

[apothecary]

The same to you Martha.Good night.Have you got used to your lap top yet?:wub:

[CelticDawn]

Hey Yall!
I am back but getting ready to call it a night.

They knew...On some level I think they knew long before the 911 calls...

[CelticDawn]

I'm here.:seeya:

Fashionably late, but here.

I'm finally here. cleaned three coolers of fish, got too much sun, had too much beer, and ate much too much. but I made it here.

when is the next court hearing?
did I miss one along the way?

[djmsmom]

no honey you or not talking to your self I am here just reading along with you. I guess everyone is busy tonight and I think I will turn in too. Good night and you have a wonderful day tomorrow.:wub:

night Martha, talk with you later..... :wub:

[anon-o-miss]

I'm here too - not F, sometimes admit to being lazy, but I do get my 10 miles a week in on the treadmill.

Mama Mia is on tonight and it's so cute.

Whatever any of us is doing on this Saturday night, I'll bet it's more fun than Casey is having.
:laugh: It's probably killing her that we have internet access and she doesn't.

[bchand]

I watched it too bc. And during the wedding the mother had tears in her eyes, and all I have to do is picture my daughter getting married and brings tears to my eyes. Earlier this evening I read the transcripts of Caseys first call to Cindy, it is so creepy, "because i'm not crying every f*cking 2 seconds", she never shed a tear for her daughter. It's so unbelievable. She is the most cold blooded killer I have ever seen.

She is, I agree.

You can look at her demeanor on the date she was arrested. She was standing next to Jose trying so hard to squeak out some tears.

Then you see her sitting with the detective acting cool as a cucumber, even joking and laughing.

What a weird person she is.

[anon-o-miss]

The only thing we heard from the Anthonys were demands that the rest of the world get off our collective azzes and go search for Caylee.. Mind you, that there were conditions involved. The only searches the Anthony clan would approve were "live" searches. Of course they'd accept plane tickets, hotel rooms and lavish dinners so that they could go eat at a restaurant that a "sighting" had happened at.

IMO, the Anthony clan knew that Caylee would not be found alive. They just wanted the show to last a bit longer than December so they could really reap the profits from their "fundation". Too bad for them that Caylee's remains were found before they really got the "fundation" up and running.
Let us not forget they didn't want to give any of the information out that was told to them by Casey that might actually help find Caylee (had she really been abducted.)

[djmsmom]

:laugh: It's probably killing her that we have internet access and she doesn't.

That's how she was hunting for Caylee, she made a facebook and myspace page. Amazing.

[seeing_eye]

I still remember 25 years ago when my 5 year old niece got lost on the way home from school. Her older sister had left without her and she tried to find her way home alone. When my sister called me the panic in her voice was all I remember. We were lucky and someone saw her walking up and down the street and called police. My sister didn't sleep for days afterward. Caylee was missing 31 days and Casey went out partying and having sleepovers at Tony's. Casey was out living "the beautiful life" while Caylee rotted in the trunk of her care. No matter where Baez moves the trial to there are not 12 people in the entire world that will be able to get past this.

I once had a teenage daughter elope to get married. She knew I would stop her if I knew about it. So she left from home one morning to go to school and didn't come home. She didn't pack any clothes or anything to prevent me from suspecting anything. I knew there was a possibility of elopement, but since she hadn't packed anything, I didn't think it was likely. I was frantic. I notified the police immediately and made such a ruckus they sent missing person messages to every department in the state and to all nearby states. I didn't eat or sleep for 10 days. I imagined her body lying in a ditch somewhere and it was driving me nuts. On the 11th day she called me on the phone to tell me she had gotten married and had been staying hidden in a house about 15 blocks from where we lived. I was so relieved I didn't even threaten to have the marriage annulled! Anyway, I believe that's a typical mother's reaction to an endangered child. So I don't believe Casey was a mother.

[bchand]

:laugh: It's probably killing her that we have internet access and she doesn't.

lol Oh I agree. And no cell phones either !! Poor baby.

[Unleashed]

:laugh: It's probably killing her that we have internet access and she doesn't.


I've often imagined what she would say if she could get on here and post~what a hoot that would be! :w00t: How long do you think it would take before she was outed?

to out her, I'd risk being banned.
jmo

[msgatorslayer]

That's how she was hunting for Caylee, she made a facebook and myspace page. Amazing.

:laugh: Such a good mommy!

[anon-o-miss]

I still find it so hard to understand how Casey could act as she did.There was absolutely no sign of remorse and shame for causing them so much trouble.No thought about how Caylee might be feeling or if she was afraid.No thoughts about how anyone else felt.It is all about her.I just dont understand.
ITA!!!! Let's pretend for a second that her child really was abducted by the nanny. Any normal parent would feel guilty that they placed their child in the hands of the perpetrator. Even if there was no cause for alarm previously. Her attitude was "oh well, not my fault". Casey was nothing more than an egg donor when it came to Caylee.

[Cinsd]

Keep the flame going

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle

[djmsmom]

ITA!!!! Let's pretend for a second that her child really was abducted by the nanny. Any normal parent would feel guilty that they placed their child in the hands of the perpetrator. Even if there was no cause for alarm previously. Her attitude was "oh well, not my fault". Casey was nothing more than an egg donor when it came to Caylee.

Now she did tell TonE that she was a "bad mother". And she told Lee maybe she was just a spiteful B*tch. That's about as bad as she felt.

[seeing_eye]

ITA!!!! Let's pretend for a second that her child really was abducted by the nanny. Any normal parent would feel guilty that they placed their child in the hands of the perpetrator. Even if there was no cause for alarm previously. Her attitude was "oh well, not my fault". Casey was nothing more than an egg donor when it came to Caylee.

Well, guess what? None of us even donated the egg and never even saw the child in person, yet we all were very concerned and upset about Caylee. That sure tells us quite a bit about the actual donor of the egg!!

[Bala]

I once had a teenage daughter elope to get married. She knew I would stop her if I knew about it. So she left from home one morning to go to school and didn't come home. She didn't pack any clothes or anything to prevent me from suspecting anything. I knew there was a possibility of elopement, but since she hadn't packed anything, I didn't think it was likely. I was frantic. I notified the police immediately and made such a ruckus they sent missing person messages to every department in the state and to all nearby states. I didn't eat or sleep for 10 days. I imagined her body lying in a ditch somewhere and it was driving me nuts. On the 11th day she called me on the phone to tell me she had gotten married and had been staying hidden in a house about 15 blocks from where we lived. I was so relieved I didn't even threaten to have the marriage annulled! Anyway, I believe that's a typical mother's reaction to an endangered child. So I don't believe Casey was a mother.

That is why I have such trouble invisioning the A's at the Ritz eating crab cakes while they where collecting Caylees scattered bones. I would have been right there begging to be near her the thought of food would have made me sick.All I would have been able to think of was that my poor granbaby was laying there all this time with no one to comfort her. These people are truely heartless.

[Cinsd]

Oops...this one works

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle

[anon-o-miss]

Some people have described noticing something different: Casey partied more. Before Casey got rid of Caylee, Casey had to stay home with Caylee unless she fooled Cindy into watching Caylee - for example by claiming that she had to work when she was really going to the No Clothes party. After Casey killed Caylee, Casey could spend as much time as she wanted with her boyfriend or at parties or at nightclubs or out stealing or getting tattoos or whatever else she felt like doing on the spur of the moment, without the burdens and responsibilities of motherhood.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions
I also agree with that. She started having a blast as soon as Caylee went "missing".

[anon-o-miss]

Evening all :seeya:
Does anyone know what happened to Not Dark Yet? Haven't seen her post lately.
She has a new dress :blushing:. She posts almost every night though.

[anon-o-miss]

You or so right all her so called friends said she was out more. cindy said she talked to her everyday but I know that is n0t true. How could cindy believe casey when she told her everytime Caylee was sleeping or with the nanny.I would have demanded the nanny;s address or phone # so I could have gone my self and seen Caylee or at least talk to her on the phone. no gm I know would have waited 31 days and not see her gb.jmho
The Anthony game of semantics... Cindy didn't say she talked to Casey everyday... She said she was in contact with Casey on a daily basis. This includes text messages and myspace postings. Talking to someone and texting or messaging them is two totally different things IMO.

[anon-o-miss]

I watched it too bc. And during the wedding the mother had tears in her eyes, and all I have to do is picture my daughter getting married and brings tears to my eyes. Earlier this evening I read the transcripts of Caseys first call to Cindy, it is so creepy, "because i'm not crying every f*cking 2 seconds", she never shed a tear for her daughter. It's so unbelievable. She is the most cold blooded killer I have ever seen.

I believe Casey thought this is the natural response for someone missing a child. She added because she had to talk to the police and that had to be her focus. A normal parent wouldn't be holding themselves together to talk to the police IMO they would be cooperating with the police through many breakdowns.

[Bala]

The two people that just boggle my mind are Mallory and her mother. What could they be thinking willing becoming a part of all this. If I were Mallory's mother I'd lock her in the basement til she agreed to stay away from the A's.

[anon-o-miss]

I've often imagined what she would say if she could get on here and post~what a hoot that would be! :w00t: How long do you think it would take before she was outed?

to out her, I'd risk being banned.
jmo
We would be able to spot her posts from all the absolutely's, potentially's, and resources she used.

[seeing_eye]

:laugh: It's probably killing her that we have internet access and she doesn't.

I've noticed that people who text a lot, like 24/7, seem to be addicted to texting. Don't you know that she's probably still having withdrawal pains?

[anon-o-miss]

Now she did tell TonE that she was a "bad mother". And she told Lee maybe she was just a spiteful B*tch. That's about as bad as she felt.
Her only true-truths she has told this entire time.

[seeing_eye]

We would be able to spot her posts from all the absolutely's, potentially's, and resources she used.

And don't forget the honestly's and reaching out's.

[Unleashed]

I think she thinks talking about Ohio State football = innocence!


Gasp!!!! It doesn't? :ohmy:

[anon-o-miss]

That is why I have such trouble invisioning the A's at the Ritz eating crab cakes while they where collecting Caylees scattered bones. I would have been right there begging to be near her the thought of food would have made me sick.All I would have been able to think of was that my poor granbaby was laying there all this time with no one to comfort her. These people are truely heartless.

ITA!!!! I would be fighting my way to the recovery site. I most certainly wouldn't be eating anything let alone having crab cakes at the Ritz. If they were really hungry (which when my brother died I didn't eat for a week till my husband actually made my mother and I eat,) they could have had everyone in their room and ordered room service. No of course not, not for the Anthony's. Decorum is not in the Anthony dictionary.

[anon-o-miss]

Hi, miss miss! And how are we this fine evening? :biggrin:
:seeya: hey slow.
I'm doing fantabulous lol. How about yourself? Have you seen NDY anywhere:unsure:.

[anon-o-miss]

OMG - that has to be killing her with no contact or any other way to "reach out" to anyone from in there! (let alone TOUCH someone)...lol
Casey strikes me as the type that will be suing OCJ after her conviction for sexual misconduct. She's probably been enamored with the dashing barfJose Baez, As soon as that wears of , if it hasn't already, she will hook up with someone that works for the jail. It's hardly unheard of and she most certainly won't be the first.

[anon-o-miss]

I can't believe there are only three pages on todays thread. Boy Desmom goes MIA and we get half the pages lol. DESMOMMMMM WE NEED YOU!!!!!!!!:laugh:

[anon-o-miss]

I think she thinks talking about Ohio State football = innocence!
:lol: I wouldn't put it past her.

[seeing_eye]

ITA!!!! I would be fighting my way to the recovery site. I most certainly wouldn't be eating anything let alone having crab cakes at the Ritz. If they were really hungry (which when my brother died I didn't eat for a week till my husband actually made my mother and I eat,) they could have had everyone in their room and ordered room service. No of course not, not for the Anthony's. Decorum is not in the Anthony dictionary.

Last week I was dogsitting 2 of my daughter's dogs while she was out of town. I found her 17 year old dog dead in my back yard. I have a doggy door and didn't know he went out. I was so upset I didn't eat even one bite of food for 2 whole days. I'm still having trouble sleeping without waking up several times a night dreaming about him. There's no way I could envision myself eating crab puffs at the Ritz!!

[anon-o-miss]

Don't forget she looked at Fusion for her, too! Like that had a chance to be actual truth...lol! Oh, but her boss sent her there to look for HIS daughter, so that made it ok, I guess. Until you remember that she had no boss who had a daughter - they were just more figments of her twisted imagination! Twisted is about right. "Let's social network - I am sure we can find Caylee that way!" NOT!!
Slow, why wouldn't a parent go looking for a kidnapped child in a nightclub :rolleyes: don't all kidnappers take their abductees to over 21 hotspots. That wouldn't catch anyones attention at all. I remember my days of clubbing fondly *sigh* all the babies at the bar.:tonguewag:

[anon-o-miss]

Possibly tipping us off with her nics, too. I can think of hairflipper, twitchy, whiney, crybabycry, fusionwench, lifeotheparty, illtimedtatoo, lilmisscantbewrong, livinlavitainjail, inmate873765, iamSOpist, arrestedonawhim, nowayinhellamiguilty, Baezsgirl, hatingcoleslaw, everythingsbeentakenawayfromme, ilovethatlittlegirlNOT, Illnevertell, ImnotzannynordoIknowwhozannyis, or perhaps WAAAAAAAAAAA. :tonguewag:
:lol: You have Casey down to a science lmao.

[anon-o-miss]

Who is NDY? :scared: I heard she was bad. And she hated Banned camp, too! Tuba's are heavy from what I have heard, idk.
:lol: I didn't think she was bad. I don't think any of us like banned camp, but it happens to the best of us lol.

[Imperfect4]

Last week I was dogsitting 2 of my daughter's dogs while she was out of town. I found her 17 year old dog dead in my back yard. I have a doggy door and didn't know he went out. I was so upset I didn't eat even one bite of food for 2 whole days. I'm still having trouble sleeping without waking up several times a night dreaming about him. There's no way I could envision myself eating crab puffs at the Ritz!!

For your grand-doggie, seeing. :rose:

[Anakerie]

Possibly tipping us off with her nics, too. I can think of hairflipper, twitchy, whiney, crybabycry, fusionwench, lifeotheparty, illtimedtatoo, lilmisscantbewrong, livinlavitainjail, inmate873765, iamSOpist, arrestedonawhim, nowayinhellamiguilty, Baezsgirl, hatingcoleslaw, everythingsbeentakenawayfromme, ilovethatlittlegirlNOT, Illnevertell, ImnotzannynordoIknowwhozannyis, or perhaps WAAAAAAAAAAA. :tonguewag:
Don't forget "labellavita"... :biggrin:

[seeing_eye]

For your grand-doggie, seeing. :rose:

Thanks, Imp. I've dogsat him so much he was almost like my own. He is missed so much. My daughter called me to tell me she picked up his ashes today.

[seeing_eye]

So sorry, seeing. I lost my Maggie in a house fire almost 6 years ago. We barely made it out ourselves, (firefighters said 30 more seconds and I wouldn't be here) - all the glass exploded from the windows it was so hot. Maggie woke me up and I was able to save my best friend and our cats - but we both lost our dogs because Maggie went back in to get her friend and I couldn't stop her. I didn't and couldn't eat for almost 2 weeks. All the volunteer fire guys are all longtime friends from school and my town, and everyone stood in the yard and bawled over the dogs. We had a memorial service for them ourselves and those guys still ask me if I'm ok when I see them in town. I have a new doggie now though, Mr. Levon, which is the only thing that has helped me get over it. But I get where you are coming from! No doubt about it. But, again, that's normal people's reaction. We all know who is not so normal, though, huh? She is evil personified.

In am so sorry about your Maggie. The loss of any dog is devastating (to me at least), but I can imagine losing one in a fire would be even worse. I've been acquainted with a woman online through a doggy email group for about 12 years. She recently lost 6 Chihuahuas in a housefire. The firemen on the scene had to physically restrain her from going back into the burning home to try to get them. The horror is even more than I can even imagine. Hope your Levon can help with your grief.

[Katprint]

Oh, come on now miss, where do you live anyway? Don't ya know Orlawndo has baby check rooms instead of coat check areas in the nightclubs now? I think they are taking the whole Disney theme there a little too literally there, imo. <respectfully snipped>
The Disney hotels in Orlando do offer childcare services. http://www.wdwinfo.com/just_for_kids/childcare.htm I suspect the Disney nannies are not rich, young and stunningly gorgeous like the Imagi-nanny; also, the website lists hourly rates so apparently they won't work for free either. OTOH, the Disney nannies are licensed and bonded so they are unlikely to kidnap and murder your child like those pesky Imagi-nannies tend to do.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[onlykaty]

Well, I really enjoyed posting here, and I thought that the post I gave was Saturday Night Live like, but maybe this is not the forum for a joke. If you guys don't see slowtrain anymore, this is more than likely the reason, so sorry CW and all others who may have been offended by this. I will check back in tomorrow and see if this is a forgivable sin or not. Didn't mean any harm, though, I never do. Just trying to be satirical since it is so late on the weekend thread, but I don't think this worked. See you guys later - probably on the flip flop. Messed up again, dang it. No harm intended. Bye now! :crying: Won't do that again.

slow

awwww, I came on here late and when I tried to see what you had posted it didn't come through for me..Just let me say this, I have read a lot of funny stuff here as well as facts. Your posts are great and don't feel bad about trying to lighten things up a little. I post a lot of times when no one responds but I just keep plugging along. It doesn't really bother me because I have learned so much about this case by reading here..I'm just going to keep on posting my thoughts and enjoying the board..Your a great poster..:thumbsup:

[trucrimegal]

awwww, I came on here late and when I tried to see what you had posted it didn't come through for me..Just let me say this, I have read a lot of funny stuff here as well as facts. Your posts are great and don't feel bad about trying to lighten things up a little. I post a lot of times when no one responds but I just keep plugging along. It doesn't really bother me because I have learned so much about this case by reading here..I'm just going to keep on posting my thoughts and enjoying the board..Your a great poster..:thumbsup:

ITA Katy! I usually lurk on here and I don't comment very much, but when I do get to come on (usually a lot later than most) I enjoy seeing the posts from Slow. Slow is always up there on all the facts -- has great posts, and it's good (IMO) to be able to lighten up things for a bit...keep up the good work Slow! :thumbup:

[Julie Dupree]

Well, I really enjoyed posting here, and I thought that the post I gave was Saturday Night Live like, but maybe this is not the forum for a joke. If you guys don't see slowtrain anymore, this is more than likely the reason, so sorry CW and all others who may have been offended by this. I will check back in tomorrow and see if this is a forgivable sin or not. Didn't mean any harm, though, I never do. Just trying to be satirical since it is so late on the weekend thread, but I don't think this worked. See you guys later - probably on the flip flop. Messed up again, dang it. No harm intended. Bye now! :crying: Won't do that again.

slow

Good Morning Slow....You have a wonderful sense of humor and the talent to express this trait in the most enjoyable way. And I do enjoy reading your post. I hope you reconsider what you have written here. If you do decide to leave, please post these link again...they will not open, and I for one would love to be able to hear them. Hope your Sunday brings some sunshine and smiles.
Julie

[martha]

ITA Katy! I usually lurk on here and I don't comment very much, but when I do get to come on (usually a lot later than most) I enjoy seeing the posts from Slow. Slow is always up there on all the facts -- has great posts, and it's good (IMO) to be able to lighten up things for a bit...keep up the good work Slow! :thumbup: Good morning tru, ITA with you I am glad someone can lighten up this board sometimes. It can get real depressing at times. I guess I see calling,texing,posting and all those things as talking to someone. Maybe it is just me but I do feel like I am talking to everyone when I post. I don;t tex because I don;t know how at my age I am doing good to use the computer. I sure am gald casey does not have a phone or computer in jail. I bet she really gets tired of talking to her self all the time. I am sure jb keep her company a lot any way.This old country girl don;t know how to do much of anything.I still love you all for puting up with me on here.jmho:wub:

[msgatorslayer]

I have been wondering this for awhile now - but why is it that Florida always seems to be the crime scene these days? The sicker the crime, the more likely it happened in Florida! I mean no offense to anyone from there, (and not just because my ex lives there now, I promise), I have often dreamed of it just breaking off at the panhandle and floating away in the ocean! I can dream, right? But Florida does seem to be a hot mess, imo. Panel?

Why, seagull poo, of course.:laugh:

[bchand]

Wow - hope this didn't clear the room! If I could delete it now, I would. Sorry if I offended anyone. I'll just lurk for awhile, I guess - and practice a new instrument most likely. slow

Hi slowtrain. I don't think your links caused anyone to leave because I can't even open any of them !!

[martha]

Hi slowtrain. I don't think your links caused anyone to leave because I can't even open any of them !!
ITA with you I could not open them eather. So I am sure they did not cause anyone to leave. slowtrain you or a great poster and I love reading your post so please don;t leave us. We love you and want you to stay with us.:wub:

[Bala]

I have been thinking a lot about Casey and Cindy's relationship after the fight on Junes 15. Casey couldn't have been all that upset she still had the nerve to call Cindy and trick her into meeting her somewhere so she could go in the house and steal more money. Can you imagine the nerve Casey has and stupid Cindy let her get away with it.

Then there's Cindy telling Amy Casey was in a lot of trouble and could go to jail. What was she in trouble for if Cindy didn't know Caylee was missing. Cindy and George had the car they had no intentions of calling the police about anything Casey had done so why would she be arrested unless Cindy already suspected that Caylee was gone and Casey had killed her.

[Anakerie]

Hi slowtrain. I don't think your links caused anyone to leave because I can't even open any of them !!
I can't open them either... I shut the computer down early last night, so I wasn't here when slowtrain posted them... The heat here wiped me out last night.. It was still in the mid 80's when I went to bed at 11.. **sigh** I don't want to live in another house with just window AC units again............ Ugh.

[Bala]

If Casey was mother of the year why did she need a bonding trip. Wasn't she with Caylee everyday. Cindy had to know that Casey didn't have any money to take Caylee anywhere or there wouldn't have been a need for her to be stealing. If this had been me I would have taken the baby and told Casey to get out and if she didn't like it she could call the police and get child services involved. There is no way Casey wouldn't have taken her freedom and left Caylee will her parents. Cindy had the upper hand she could have had Casey arrested for theft and Casey knew it. Cindy just didn't play her hand for some reason and Caylee paid the price.

[Kathlb]

Quoting myself now...LOL

Just wanted to add that SOMEONE must have paid off BOA that no charges were pressed...wonder who that was???

Miss Cindy and Mr. George, the enablers. :tongueside:

[Sun]

Quoting myself now...LOL

Just wanted to add that SOMEONE must have paid off BOA that no charges were pressed...wonder who that was???

That would be the accessory to the crime. Cindy.

Cindy knew that Casey was a thief. Cindy allowed the behavior. Cindy excused the behavior. By the time that Casey was stealing from her grandparents, she was an adult. An adult that was not being held accountable for criminal behavior.

[Bala]

I curious to where Target and Winn Dixie fits in to all this. Would they not be entitled to press charges against Casey as well as Amy. Do they have any say in the fraud case before the court. Did BOA agree to drop the charges after they were reimburse.

[Sun]

Absolutely!!!...I think Cindy reached out to them...LOL...paid them off and said they nor the grandmother wanted to press charges...prolly told them "well she only did it once" crap.

Sorry...in a mood today...

LE/FBI, the media, the public, and most of all the State ARE putting forth great effort to hold Casey accountable for the death of Caylee.

Caylee was the victim. Others are also victims of Casey's, but none have lost as much as Caylee has. A crime against an innocent child is just the worst thing.

[Bala]

It breaks my heart that there is not one member of Caylee's family that is willing to stand up and be her voice that strangers have to fight for her because the ones she trusted are unwilling to do so. I hope this doesn't escape the jury and they cry out for Caylee loud and clear. I hope in their statement to the media after the trial they hold Cindy, George and Lee accountable for their poor taste and bad judgement. I hope the comment on the baby they through under the bus to pay their mortgage and live it up. There are some things you can't buy and dignity is one of them.

[martha]

LE/FBI, the media, the public, and most of all the State ARE putting forth great effort to hold Casey accountable for the death of Caylee.

Caylee was the victim. Others are also victims of Casey's, but none have lost as much as Caylee has. A crime against an innocent child is just the worst thing.
You or so right Sun a poor child that could not take up for her self. How casey could ride around with her baby in the trunk of the car is beond me. I will never in a million years understand how a person could hurt their own child.A child is a gift from God to make our lives better and to harm them is the worst thing anyone can do.My children or 49 and 50 and I think about something happening to them and I just nearly die because if it does before me then I know I would not want to go on living.I would be so mad at casey about what she had done and would hate what she did to my gb but I do think one part of me would still love her.The birth of your children is one thing we never forget and they or part of us.I pray nothing ever happen to any of us like this because I know where I would be now in a crazy house.sure not on tv or out making money of 0f the death of my grandbaby.I would hate casey until my last day on earth but then I guess there would still be a love for her not sure on this.Just can;t put my self in this kind of case.I think g and c and even lee needs to be in jail with her.I think the whole family is messed up some way. I have never seen anyone like them.Hope I never do again.All I want is justice for Caylee.As I do for a lot of other children.When I think about it a lot of pretty children come to mind. I just want to sit and cry over them all.jmho

[martha]

It breaks my heart that there is not one member of Caylee's family that is willing to stand up and be her voice that strangers have to fight for her because the ones she trusted are unwilling to do so. I hope this doesn't escape the jury and they cry out for Caylee loud and clear. I hope in their statement to the media after the trial they hold Cindy, George and Lee accountable for their poor taste and bad judgement. I hope the comment on the baby they through under the bus to pay their mortgage and live it up. There are some things you can't buy and dignity is one of them.Oh my you or so right and ITA with you. It just breaks my heart to think of how they have all acted. I am just hoping and praying one day we will hear the jury say guilty. I pray casey gets lwop and then they need to get the rest of the a;s for what they have done to. Their money needs to stop and they need to all sit in jail and think about what all they have done to help casey with killing Caylee.jmho

[martha]

Absolutely!!!...I think Cindy reached out to them...LOL...paid them off and said they nor the grandmother wanted to press charges...prolly told them "well she only did it once" crap.

Sorry...in a mood today...I feel so sorry for the grandmother she tryed to talk to cindy and cindy would not listen to her.I don;t know if cindy has even been back to see her daddy and mother but the one time. Does anyone know if she has been back to see them? If I still had my mother and daddy I sure would be going to see them and telling them how sorry I was for what casey had done to them.I don;t understand why george did not get casey good when she stole money from Caylee. I would have had her head for doing that.That goes to show you they have always put casey first.cindy should have let casey give Caylee up when she was borned casey did not want her and cindy did not wat her eather.cindy and george was having all kind of trouble at that time and they did not need a baby to raise. Yes Caylee took her place in that house and casey could not stand it. casey had been no 1 until Caylee was borned.Jealous makes people do a lot of crazy things.Wesee that with grown up people when they or jealous of each other.sorry for being such a grouch this morning but the more I think of Caylee the madder I get. cindy should have never let casey take Caylee out of that house. I know Caylee cryed to stay there because that was the only home she ever knew and all her stuff was there I am sure she did not want to be out riding in a car all day and night.My grand would cry to stay with me all the time.jmho

[martha]

I really think cindy george lee and casey all had a thing about spending money and they never seem to have enough to go around. Now that they or getting all the money they need they don;t care if they ever have a trial. They have all forgotten about Caylee and or very happy with not having to work but having plenty of money to spend. The whole bunch just makes me sick. Justice for Caylee is all I want and then to heck with the rest of them.:cursing:jmho

[Bala]

I hope that if any good can comes of this it is that mothers learn that if your daughter comes to you and tells you she pregnant but not ready to be a mother you listen to her. You can't force someone to feel what they don't feel. Casey needed to let Caylee go and Cindy needed to hold on to her like property and Caylee paid the price in the end.

[martha]

I guess I have run everyone of with my rant. Sorry everyone. I love you all and God loves you too. Have a very good day.May God bless you all with a wonderful day and very good health.I will get of and let someone elce post now.:wub:

[kitty1182]

I guess I have run everyone of with my rant. Sorry everyone. I love you all and God loves you too. Have a very good day.May God bless you all with a wonderful day and very good health.I will get of and let someone elce post now.:wub:

Hi Martha...I don't stop by much anymore unless something is new news...You have a blessed day too:wub:

[Sun]

A year ago today. July 19, 2008

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/16924242/detail.html

[happygert]

Martha my dear rant all you want.. I feel same way about all the a's..
ITA what made c think casey would love Caylee just because c made her keep Caylee? casey didnt want her in the first place no way would she want her later..Caylee would still be alive if not for cindy making casey keep her.. IMO cindy and george are just as much to blame for Caylee's death.. They knew from get go casey didn't want Caylee.. They knew casey was an unfit mother and yet they DID NOTHING TO PROTECT CAYLEE.. That was total control for c. making casey keep Caylee.. the big mistake as cindy see's it was casey getting pregnant.. now her stealing from everyone that wasn't a problem to cindy.IMO cindy seemed to think that was ok. now getting preganant was another thing..IMO stealing is far, far worse then getting pregnant ..but it seems like to me everyone in that family steals and it seems to be the norm for them.. Not only did they steal Caylee's future now they are using Caylee as bait to steal from the public.. mo..

Looks like another lonely day on the boards..

[really3997]

A year ago today. July 19, 2008

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/16924242/detail.html

I believe that if the shovel tip did not come in the A's would still be on the kidnapped story. There attitude changed shortly after this IMO

[Sun]

I believe that if the shovel tip did not come in the A's would still be on the kidnapped story. There attitude changed shortly after this IMO

And, because Cindy and George made excuses and said that Casey "told them" that she used the shovel on bamboo roots, the defense will have a hard time saying that Casey didn't borrow a shovel.

This is also the same neighbor that has given statements that he saw the car backed up in the driveway/garage also. To me, that is very damaging to the defense.

[Sun]

I will be watching, when this case finally makes it to trial. I'm interested in seeing which pieces of Discovery/evidence the State will use, or what things will not be allowed before the jury. Lyon may be much easier to listen to in the courtroom, than Baez.

[Julie Dupree]

July 19 - CA claims JG was at the house on this day assisting LA with flyers. CA states JG used their computer to access his phone records. CA insinuates that JG went thru KC's things while he was in the house.
KTC contacts OCSO and they conduct an interview*. KTC says KC called her on 7/9 asking for a loan. KTC said KC did not call from her cell phone. KTC told OCSO about their "hide-out" when they were young. She agreed to meet a detective at Hidden Oak Elementary School and show them the location. KTC met OCSO detective at school and showed them the location of their secret meeting place. KTC agreed to be interviewed. Interesting points: KTC says that when she and KC were young KTC was not allowed to go into KC's house if CA was there. If CA was gone and GA was the only parent there, then she could come in. KC told KTC that she wasn't allowed in the house because she was spanish. She never knew of any babysitter for Caylee other than CA and GA. She worked with KC at Universal in the past. She did not know Zani. She said the last time she saw KC was a couple of months ago at Walmart and KC did not have Caylee with her. KTC stated that KC had wanted to put Caylee up for adoption when she found out she was pregnant. KTC had wanted to adopt the baby because she had been told she couldnt' have children. KTC said CA would not let KC put the baby up for adoption. KTC said she thought KC was either bi-polar or had mental issues. KTC told about there were times she and KC had conversations and then the next day KC would not remember it. KTC gave an example of KC asking her a question and then her calling KC back one or two days later to give her the answer to the question, and KC not even remembering the conversation or asking the question. KTC talks about how KC changed after Caylee was born and seem to become more rebellious against CA. CA does not like Hispanics and KC was constantly dating guys that were either Hispanic or "other races".
*http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Cruz%20%20Kiomarie0812.pdf

[101Spots]

I will be watching, when this case finally makes it to trial. I'm interested in seeing which pieces of Discovery/evidence the State will use, or what things will not be allowed before the jury. Lyon may be much easier to listen to in the courtroom, than Baez.

I'm going to order close captioning for the days LKB is on duty. And/or earplugs.

[seeing_eye]

Martha my dear rant all you want.. I feel same way about all the a's..
ITA what made c think casey would love Caylee just because c made her keep Caylee? casey didnt want her in the first place no way would she want her later..Caylee would still be alive if not for cindy making casey keep her.. IMO cindy and george are just as much to blame for Caylee's death.. They knew from get go casey didn't want Caylee.. They knew casey was an unfit mother and yet they DID NOTHING TO PROTECT CAYLEE.. That was total control for c. making casey keep Caylee.. the big mistake as cindy see's it was casey getting pregnant.. now her stealing from everyone that wasn't a problem to cindy.IMO cindy seemed to think that was ok. now getting preganant was another thing..IMO stealing is far, far worse then getting pregnant ..but it seems like to me everyone in that family steals and it seems to be the norm for them.. Not only did they steal Caylee's future now they are using Caylee as bait to steal from the public.. mo..

Looks like another lonely day on the boards..

How do we know that Cindy made Casey keep the baby? Where did we hear this bit of info? And what was the source of the info? If it came from an Anthony ONLY, then it's totally UNbelievable.

[101Spots]

How do we know that Cindy made Casey keep the baby? Where did we hear this bit of info? And what was the source of the info? If it came from an Anthony ONLY, then it's totally UNbelievable.

Casey ---> Kiomarie ---> National Enquirer ---> us

Since the source is untrustworthy, I'd say the tidbit is untrustworthy.

[seeing_eye]

You or so right Sun a poor child that could not take up for her self. How casey could ride around with her baby in the trunk of the car is beond me. I will never in a million years understand how a person could hurt their own child.A child is a gift from God to make our lives better and to harm them is the worst thing anyone can do.My children or 49 and 50 and I think about something happening to them and I just nearly die because if it does before me then I know I would not want to go on living.I would be so mad at casey about what she had done and would hate what she did to my gb but I do think one part of me would still love her.The birth of your children is one thing we never forget and they or part of us.I pray nothing ever happen to any of us like this because I know where I would be now in a crazy house.sure not on tv or out making money of 0f the death of my grandbaby.I would hate casey until my last day on earth but then I guess there would still be a love for her not sure on this.Just can;t put my self in this kind of case.I think g and c and even lee needs to be in jail with her.I think the whole family is messed up some way. I have never seen anyone like them.Hope I never do again.All I want is justice for Caylee.As I do for a lot of other children.When I think about it a lot of pretty children come to mind. I just want to sit and cry over them all.jmho

My kids are about the same age as yours. I think anyone should support a child in the kind of trouble Casey is in. If I was Casey's mother I would be there to support her in everything. I would be sitting on her side of the courtroom, I would be paying for her defense if I had the resources, I would be visiting her in jail, and I would be writing her letters telling her how much I care. But I would not lie to cover for her, I would not try to throw suspicion on any and everyone who's nearby, I would not hinder the search for my granddaughter (dead or alive) to give a potential jury a reasonable doubt, and I would not try to prevent my daughter from owning up to the responsibility of her own actions. As if all that were not enough, I would not then begin to live off my own granddaughter's death and begin preying on the suffering of others for my own profit.

[Sun]

Julie, it seems like Casey may have been practicing her "stories" way back when she was still in School. And, possibly even practicing segregating her groups of friends from each other and from family. This behavior of Casey's seems so strange to me, but she seems strange to me too.

[happygert]

How do we know that Cindy made Casey keep the baby? Where did we hear this bit of info? And what was the source of the info? If it came from an Anthony ONLY, then it's totally UNbelievable.

No it didnt only come from the A's matter of fact I dont remember hearing from the A's ..however it did come form the girl who was going to adopt Caylee..same girl who told them that casey used to bury her pets where they ended up finding Caylee's little bones.. Kio Marie..not sure if there was others or not..do you really believe the A's was going to tell that story? I don't!.. Now I really don't think they wanted that little tidbit of info out do you?? Oh yes by the way were giving you wrong hairbrush for Caylee .. we've clean out her car to wash clothes and try and get smell out.. No casey would never hurt "That CHILD" casey was mother of the year, casey Loved "that CHILD" more then I love casey.. Oh yes by the way casey didnt want Caylee she was going to give her up but I made her keep her.. no way would have the A's ever told casey didnt want Caylee..

[Sun]

Casey ---> Kiomarie ---> National Enquirer ---> us

Since the source is untrustworthy, I'd say the tidbit is untrustworthy.

Some of these people may never be called to testify at the trial. Or if they are, there testimony may be very narrowly targeted, that the Jury won't hear about lots of "dramatic stories."

[really3997]

And, because Cindy and George made excuses and said that Casey "told them" that she used the shovel on bamboo roots, the defense will have a hard time saying that Casey didn't borrow a shovel.

This is also the same neighbor that has given statements that he saw the car backed up in the driveway/garage also. To me, that is very damaging to the defense.

I feel bad that poor guy is probably given grief every time he sees the A's

JMO

[happygert]

Casey ---> Kiomarie ---> National Enquirer ---> us

Since the source is untrustworthy, I'd say the tidbit is untrustworthy.

I wouldn't say it was untrustworthy.. She also told them to check where Caylee was found.. Umm lo and behold DC also said that he just wanted to check that out because of Kio Marie. but imo it was because cindy knew where she was at all the time..and she didnt want anyone else to find her... and guess what.. thats excatly where Caylee's little bones were found.. where her murdering no count low life behopping stealing lying so called mom threw her away like trash to rot.and for the animals to eat her.. Too bad they didnt listen to Kio Marie a long time before that... I guess Kio Marie was right on the money on that one .. now wasn't she?

[seeing_eye]

If Casey was mother of the year why did she need a bonding trip. Wasn't she with Caylee everyday. Cindy had to know that Casey didn't have any money to take Caylee anywhere or there wouldn't have been a need for her to be stealing. If this had been me I would have taken the baby and told Casey to get out and if she didn't like it she could call the police and get child services involved. There is no way Casey wouldn't have taken her freedom and left Caylee will her parents. Cindy had the upper hand she could have had Casey arrested for theft and Casey knew it. Cindy just didn't play her hand for some reason and Caylee paid the price.

I truly believe that Cindy didn't take steps to take Caylee away from Casey because Cindy didn't want Caylee either. Cindy wanted Casey to step up to the plate and be responsible for Caylee. She had complained to others (co-workers, I believe) that she was tired of taking care of Caylee. She may even have threatened Casey that she was going to kick both of them out of the house if Casey didn't start being more responsible for caring for Caylee.

But at the same time there was also jealousy involved with Caylee, but more as an object than as a person. I believe Cindy and Casey both are more or less totally emotionless when it comes to Caylee. I think George too was indifferent. He had many other things on his mind to contend with other than kids (like being caught in lies and thievery, etc. and trying to keep a job). JMO

[Sun]

No it didnt only come from the A's matter of fact I dont remember hearing from the A's ..however it did come form the girl who was going to adopt Caylee..same girl who told them that casey used to bury her pets where they ended up finding Caylee's little bones.. Kio Marie..not sure if there was others or not..do you really believe the A's was going to tell that story? I don't!.. Now I really don't think they wanted that little tidbit of info out do you?? Oh yes by the way were giving you wrong hairbrush for Caylee .. we've clean out her car to wash clothes and try and get smell out.. No casey would never hurt "That CHILD" casey was mother of the year, casey Loved "that CHILD" more then I love casey.. Oh yes by the way casey didnt want Caylee she was going to give her up but I made her keep her.. no way would have the A's ever told casey didnt want Caylee..

Some of Casey's old friends have said things that sure make me wonder. And, I suspect that Casey didn't ever think of Caylee and more than she would think of a "possession" that she owned. JMO

[seeing_eye]

No it didnt only come from the A's matter of fact I dont remember hearing from the A's ..however it did come form the girl who was going to adopt Caylee..same girl who told them that casey used to bury her pets where they ended up finding Caylee's little bones.. Kio Marie..not sure if there was others or not..do you really believe the A's was going to tell that story? I don't!.. Now I really don't think they wanted that little tidbit of info out do you?? Oh yes by the way were giving you wrong hairbrush for Caylee .. we've clean out her car to wash clothes and try and get smell out.. No casey would never hurt "That CHILD" casey was mother of the year, casey Loved "that CHILD" more then I love casey.. Oh yes by the way casey didnt want Caylee she was going to give her up but I made her keep her.. no way would have the A's ever told casey didnt want Caylee..

Yes, I do remember that tidbit came from Kio Marie. But where did Kio Marie get the info that Cindy wouldn't let Casey give the baby up? I think it was from Casey ONLY. I have to tell you I wouldn't believe anything Casey said unless it was otherwise verified by a "believable" source.

[SaraSidle]

I wouldn't say it was untrustworthy.. She also told them to check where Caylee was found.. Umm lo and behold DC also said that he just wanted to check that out because of Kio Marie. but imo it was because cindy knew where she was at all the time..and she didnt want anyone else to find her... and guess what.. thats excatly where Caylee's little bones were found.. where her murdering no count low life behopping stealing lying so called mom threw her away like trash to rot.and for the animals to eat her.. Too bad they didnt listen to Kio Marie a long time before that... I guess Kio Marie was right on the money on that one .. now wasn't she?

ITA HappyGert. I believe I read C would not let Casey play with Kiomarie as a child when they were neighbors. No wonder they had a secret spot. I do not have a link. IMO sara

[Sun]

I truly believe that Cindy didn't take steps to take Caylee away from Casey because Cindy didn't want Caylee either. Cindy wanted Casey to step up to the plate and be responsible for Caylee. She had complained to others (co-workers, I believe) that she was tired of taking care of Caylee. She may even have threatened Casey that she was going to kick both of them out of the house if Casey didn't start being more responsible for caring for Caylee.

But at the same time there was also jealousy involved with Caylee, but more as an object than as a person. I believe Cindy and Casey both are more or less totally emotionless when it comes to Caylee. I think George too was indifferent. He had many other things on his mind to contend with other than kids (like being caught in lies and thievery, etc. and trying to keep a job). JMO

I also think that Cindy "knew" that Casey didn't have a loving bond with Caylee. I also am not at all convinced that Cindy had the love for Caylee that she professes to the media/public.

I have a hard time defining George's role within the Anthony family. It also seems like he does the Chamelion thing, just like Casey does. He's one way when with Cindy, yet a totally different way when he's with LE. I don't really think that Cindy and George have much love or trust between them.

[Sun]

Yes, I do remember that tidbit came from Kio Marie. But where did Kio Marie get the info that Cindy wouldn't let Casey give the baby up? I think it was from Casey ONLY. I have to tell you I wouldn't believe anything Casey said unless it was otherwise verified by a "believable" source.

You are so right about not believing what Casey has told anyone! Or Cindy or George.

[seeing_eye]

I also think that Cindy "knew" that Casey didn't have a loving bond with Caylee. I also am not at all convinced that Cindy had the love for Caylee that she professes to the media/public.

I have a hard time defining George's role within the Anthony family. It also seems like he does the Chamelion thing, just like Casey does. He's one way when with Cindy, yet a totally different way when he's with LE. I don't really think that Cindy and George have much love or trust between them.

Yes, George is a chameleon, and I think that's where Casey got the trait. I also think Casey inherited a lot of other things from George such as lying and thievery and not being able to keep a job. I think Casey looks a lot like George too, especially when she hasn't plucked her eyebrows in a while. Of course, lying and lack of character and values were inherited from Cindy. JMO

[101Spots]

I wouldn't say it was untrustworthy.. She also told them to check where Caylee was found.. Umm lo and behold DC also said that he just wanted to check that out because of Kio Marie. but imo it was because cindy knew where she was at all the time..and she didnt want anyone else to find her... and guess what.. thats excatly where Caylee's little bones were found.. where her murdering no count low life behopping stealing lying so called mom threw her away like trash to rot.and for the animals to eat her.. Too bad they didnt listen to Kio Marie a long time before that... I guess Kio Marie was right on the money on that one .. now wasn't she?

No, she was a few cents off (but closer than anyone else). The area Kiomarie told them to search was on the other side of the school. LE searched that area the same day we learned that divers were going into a nearby lake (as a "training exercise" we were told after the fact). Very close, but ~slightly~ off-center.

Remember that while Kiomarie might be telling the truth as she knows it ("I offered to adopt."), Casey was the original source ("My mom won't let me give the baby up for adoption."). And we all know that Casey lies.

[Bala]

I think that Casey was telling the truth back then. I think something happened after Caylee's 2ND b-day that changed Casey. That seems to be when all the lying and stealing started. Even after Caylee was dead Casey got her mother out of the house so she could sneak in a steal more money. That has to have meaning. What made Casey think she could get away with it after she killed Caylee allegedly.

[seeing_eye]

I think that Casey was telling the truth back then. I think something happened after Caylee's 2ND b-day that changed Casey. That seems to be when all the lying and stealing started. Even after Caylee was dead Casey got her mother out of the house so she could sneak in a steal more money. That has to have meaning. What made Casey think she could get away with it after she killed Caylee allegedly.

I find it hard to believe that Casey ever told the truth. She grew up in a houseful of liars, people who saw nothing wrong with lying, and so I think she was taught to lie from a very young age. JMO

[toadii]

I always wondered about that too...Why would Cindy think Casey was in so much trouble she would go to jail??? She had her car towed...most people don't go to jail for having their car towed...She lied to her parents about her whereabouts...most adults don't go to jail because they lied to their parents...

Yes, the car smelled...but it was just rotting food(cough)...most people don't go to jail for having rotting food in their trunk.

At this point Cindy did not know she had stolen from Amy...was she aware of other monies taken from family???...but we all know according to Georgette in his Morgan depo that she had never stolen money(cough, cough).

Just trying to see what Cindy was seeing that day that made her say that to Amy...of course in retrospect Cindy would say she was just trying to get Amy to go with her.
Of course the stealing from GPs was not breaking news at this point, although I believe that cindy was still all in a dizzy because Shirley just didn't forgive and forget about it. Having to face Shirley about her daughters less than perfect behavior had to have been tough for Cindy.
What could she say? She only did it twice and gee, mom, I covered both times?
I have not discovered the circumstances regarding the prior stolen car report on the Anthony's LE history sheet, but I suspect C&G, by keeping the car in their name, were using it as a parenting tool, something they could use for levelage to get their way. The first two 911 calls support my impression that they hung past illegal activity over Casey's head. The old "Do what I tell you to because I have something on you, zanny,nanny,boo boo" school of parenting. JMO

[happygert]

Does any one here really think casey EVER WANTED Caylee? I don't.. you don't Kill a baby and throw her away like trash if you really loved her and wanted her.. .one more thing if you are pregnant and want the baby then you want the best for that baby.. starting with PRENATEL care.. to make sure everything is fine with the baby.. You'd give your life for your Child.. or at least I would..

[Sun]

I think that Casey was telling the truth back then. I think something happened after Caylee's 2ND b-day that changed Casey. That seems to be when all the lying and stealing started. Even after Caylee was dead Casey got her mother out of the house so she could sneak in a steal more money. That has to have meaning. What made Casey think she could get away with it after she killed Caylee allegedly.

Lee said (in that undercover interview with Lazzaro), that Casey began telling lies in middle school.

Can you imagine the havoc that Casey will create in prison, with her habit of lying?

[101Spots]

Lee said (in that undercover interview with Lazzaro), that Casey began telling lies in middle school.

Can you imagine the havoc that Casey will create in prison, with her habit of lying?

Something tells me that the guards and the other residents are used to it.

[seeing_eye]

Lee said (in that undercover interview with Lazzaro), that Casey began telling lies in middle school.

Can you imagine the havoc that Casey will create in prison, with her habit of lying?

I have a feeling she started a lot earlier than middle school. I have trouble believing Lee too ("I believe everything my sister tells me.").

[Pruddennce]

Of course the stealing from GPs was not breaking news at this point, although I believe that cindy was still all in a dizzy because Shirley just didn't forgive and forget about it. Having to face Shirley about her daughters less than perfect behavior had to have been tough for Cindy.
What could she say? She only did it twice and gee, mom, I covered both times?
I have not discovered the circumstances regarding the prior stolen car report on the Anthony's LE history sheet, but I suspect C&G, by keeping the car in their name, were using it as a parenting tool, something they could use for levelage to get their way. The first two 911 calls support my impression that they hung past illegal activity over Casey's head. The old "Do what I tell you to because I have something on you, zanny,nanny,boo boo" school of parenting. JMO

Im curious about ALL OF THE CALLS that were generated up to June 24th 2009. Cindy's personality suggests that she would not want anyone outside of the sealed up bubble called home, to know anything negative about the family.

on the other hand, she is a liar, so perhaps those calls were, as you say, a leveraging tool. then again, we have George. he had no problem reporting a burglary of two gas cans. (although, as he tells it, it crossed his mind it was casey).....

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1474095/Calls-for-Service-to-4937-Hopespring-Drive

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[Bala]

My theory is this. When Casey told her mother she was pregnant and going to give the baby up Cindy said no don't we will raise her together as a family. By the time Caylee was 2 Cindy and George were tired of being on call 24/7 and put their foot down and told Casey they would only babysit well Casey was at work. Casey saw this as a betrayal after Cindy's promise and started with all the lies. Jesse wasn't there anymore to take Caylee and Casey started to feel really trapped.

[happygert]

I believe he said at the time this happened the A's were never very friendly...maybe spoke a few words in all the years they lived there...Surprise....surprise.

ITA I dont think they had many friends if any.. I also think cindy knew what had happened to Caylee.. I also believe cindy and george knew the car was parked at amscot and when they didnt see it there anymore they sighed a sigh of relief thinking it was stolen.. Then a ol kick in the gut when they got letter from Johnson's and found out it had been towed... No other explanation why cindy would tell Amy if she didn't find casey she'd go to jail.. IMO cindy knew long before the 30 days that Caylee was dead.. and now they had t come up with new plan since car was found and she knew other people smelled the car.. thats why cindy went back to work after they cleaned it and if IIRC she sent george to work to.. That's why the text to casey.. we got a problem.. had to start over with new plan of action.. Thats why the 3 different calls to 911 2nd call she mentioned Caylee in passing my daughter wont tell me where my granddaughter is.. 3 one had to come up with a plan becausee she knew the LE would be there sometime and she had to try and explain the smell before anyone got there and smelled it..I truly believe that the A's knew all along especially cindy.. If they didnt know why didnt they call LE to towyard.. Why did they take car home and wash clothes and try and get smell out.. why give wrong hairbrush to FBI?? no one will ever convince me they didnt know from get go..

[Bala]

Im curious about ALL OF THE CALLS that were generated up to June 24th 2009. Cindy's personality suggests that she would not want anyone outside of the sealed up bubble called home, to know anything negative about the family.

on the other hand, she is a liar, so perhaps those calls were, as you say, a leveraging tool. then again, we have George. he had no problem reporting a burglary of two gas cans. (although, as he tells it, it crossed his mind it was casey).....

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1474095/Calls-for-Service-to-4937-Hopespring-Drive

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*
Can you imagine reporting 2 stolen gas cans yet covering up the murder of your granddaughter. I would love to see George's therapy records.

[happygert]

Problem is she is a sociopath and can't have any real feelings for anyone...:sad: and that my friends is where the real problem lies.

true very true... and very narcissistic.. To much focus on her and her alone to he77 with everyone else.. narcsistims much have been in the family genes a lot of it runs ramped in that family..

[happygert]

Can you imagine reporting 2 stolen gas cans yet covering up the murder of your granddaughter. I would love to see George's therapy records.

sick very sick indeed...IMO they were starting to lay ground work then..start with the break in of the shed and gas cans... then we can go from someone stealing Caylee.. heck maybe they were going to plan where someone broke in house and took her in the middle of the night..never know with those sicko's..

[Pruddennce]

Can you imagine reporting 2 stolen gas cans yet covering up the murder of your granddaughter. I would love to see George's therapy records.

quite succinctly written, Bala. reporting stolen gas cans under the ruse of something like 'neighborhood watch', when these two parents already knew their daughter was a liar and thief and had EXITED THE HOME....and more revealing: GA told LE/FBI, she had 'put gas in her car' from the lawnmower supply before, because he saw the SPILL MARKS on her car and as he told the story, told her, hey, its ok, just wipe it off of the car.

????


IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[Dells]

Don't forget she looked at Fusion for her, too! Like that had a chance to be actual truth...lol! Oh, but her boss sent her there to look for HIS daughter, so that made it ok, I guess. Until you remember that she had no boss who had a daughter - they were just more figments of her twisted imagination! Twisted is about right. "Let's social network - I am sure we can find Caylee that way!" NOT!!

The whole premise that Casey was looking for Caylee on her own is just ridiculous. If Casey was so afraid of the nanny that she couldn't go to LE and tell them that she kidnapped her daughter, what exactly did Casey think she would actually do if she ever "found" the nanny on her own? :shrug:

All of Casey's lies fall apart even w/the slightest amount of scrutiny. How did Casey think she would get away w/this? How can her family stand by her and say that they believe her? The whole thing is just absolutely deplorable and shameful.:thumbdown:

[seeing_eye]

The whole premise that Casey was looking for Caylee on her own is just ridiculous. If Casey was so afraid of the nanny that she couldn't go to LE and tell them that she kidnapped her daughter, what exactly did Casey think she would actually do if she ever "found" the nanny on her own? :shrug:

All of Casey's lies fall apart even w/the slightest amount of scrutiny. How did Casey think she would get away w/this? How can her family stand by her and say that they believe her? The whole thing is just absolutely deplorable and shameful.:thumbdown:

Exactly!! It's just like a kid with egg all over his face swearing up and down he's never been in the hen house. I just can't get my mind around someone lying like that when the evidence that it's a lie is standing right before their very eyes.

[Pruddennce]

No other explanation why cindy would tell Amy if she didn't find casey she'd go to jail.. IMO cindy knew long before the 30 days that Caylee was dead.. and now they had t come up with new plan since car was found and she knew other people smelled the car..

respectfully snipped.....

this statement jumps out at me: you are right: why would she tell Amy Casey might go to jail???? because she abandoned the car? what? that comment didnt make any sense as it relates to Casey not telling Cindy where she was staying or the A's getting notified about the car being abandoned...

Casey and her nanny and 'where Caylee was supposed to be' story, was all believed by Cindy, SO SHE tells LE and the FBI...so why blurt out she might go to jail? for what?

Cindy smelled the smell and so did George. they both knew this was not a simple case of car abandonment with a child seat and personal possessions still in the car. no granddaughter up to that point and the reality that Casey did not have the vehicle since the end of June....IMO, and I agree with you, they KNEW Caylee was no longer in anyone's sights but MO is based on another reason as to why I believe they knew she was no longer alive......I think they saw the rage June 15th.

IIRC Cindy was not working that week and/or IIRC, she stayed overnite at her mother's in Mt Dora the weekend the car was abandoned. I would need to go back to refresh my recollection; its a painful process listening to her with LE or the FBI where they are attempting to nail down a timeline.

she does say she was not home one weekend nite....stayed at her mother's house. I think it was that weekend the car was abandoned.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[101Spots]

respectfully snipped.....

this statement jumps out at me: you are right: why would she tell Amy Casey might go to jail???? because she abandoned the car? what? that comment didnt make any sense as it relates to Casey not telling Cindy where she was staying or the A's getting notified about the car being abandoned...

Casey and her nanny and 'where Caylee was supposed to be' story, was all believed by Cindy, SO SHE tells LE and the FBI...so why blurt out she might go to jail? for what?

Cindy smelled the smell and so did George. they both knew this was not a simple case of car abandonment with a child seat and personal possessions still in the car. no granddaughter up to that point and the reality that Casey did not have the vehicle since the end of June....IMO, and I agree with you, they KNEW Caylee was no longer in anyone's sights but MO is based on another reason as to why I believe they knew she was no longer alive......I think they saw the rage June 15th.

IIRC Cindy was not working that week and/or IIRC, she stayed overnite at her mother's in Mt Dora the weekend the car was abandoned. I would need to go back to refresh my recollection; its a painful process listening to her with LE or the FBI where they are attempting to nail down a timeline.

she does say she was not home one weekend nite....stayed at her mother's house. I think it was that weekend the car was abandoned.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

I ~believe~ this was June 8th. We had quite a discussion that the evening of the 9th was another fight at Casa Anthony, leading Casey to head off to Ricardo's for the night. And may have been what prompted Lee to ask if this was like the last time.

Or, I'm all wet.

[Pruddennce]

I ~believe~ this was June 8th. We had quite a discussion that the evening of the 9th was another fight at Casa Anthony, leading Casey to head off to Ricardo's for the night. And may have been what prompted Lee to ask if this was like the last time.

Or, I'm all wet.

thank you thank you. that was it Spots. it was that weekend. which HAS BEEN the neverending discussion as to what transpired when Cindy came home. BOINK on me....:D Casey left and stayed at Ricardo's June 9th.

but wasnt Cindy home on the 27th, on vacation that week and would not have been by Amscott?

its hard to discern either way with regard to Cindy and her 'explanations' as to 'the timeline'....she has a problem remembering her own daily life, but can reiterate word for word 'what Casey told her' with regard to her 'travels'...

IMO, and I know this has been thought by many, myself included, that Cindy is covering up what happened the prior week AND father's day weekend. many things transpired father's day weekend: Casey was supposed to take Amy for her car...she bailed, WHY?...she was supposed to go to a picnic at Ryan's aunt's house, she bailed...WHY?.....then:

Cindy gets possession of Caylee for the day, father's day.....where was casey that day? Christine Chester claims they went for a walk on: 12th, 13th or 14th, WITH CAYLEE....where was Casey on father's day?

there can be no other explanation as to why Casey would leave the home and not come back...she murdered caylee and was free to live with any of her friends' places temporarily, because she didnt have her child anymore. ultimately, she would not be able to crash anywhere long term, having no income, but Casey doesnt think past the moment....

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[toadii]

Can you imagine reporting 2 stolen gas cans yet covering up the murder of your granddaughter. I would love to see George's therapy records.
George files a stolen gas can report.

When asked by the media Cindy states there were no gas cans stolen.

George later states the gas cans were recovered from a neighbor.

George tells LE his story about Casey thrusting the gas cans to him from the trunk of her car in the driveway.

That was the chain of events, but it does not progress in a simple straight forward way...cans stolen to cans found. The Anthonys put a rather serpentine spin on it. My best guess after one year of observing (probably more than I should have) this family goes as follows.

George, who is tired of listening to Cindy rant about not seeing Caylee puts on his ill-fitting big boy pants. He knows who always steals his gas. Angry about having to listen about Casey, he retaliates against Casey with the passive/aggressive big boy step of reporting stolen gas cans, a safe, minor crime as opposed to Casey's major ones of stealing thousands from c&g alone. He was former LE and he is on his famliar ground, he knows police reports.

George has decades of practice sneaking around Cindy and fails to tell her about it. She might have a change of heart and replace them to appease George, as cindy covers Casey's monetary indescretions with family members. George does not want the gas replaced by Cindy since he is now finally contributing to the family finances. That money is his now.

No neighbor has come forward claiming to have returned the cans.

Cindy is blindsided by the media and denys, which is her immediate reaction to anything not in her script.
Cindy has time to have intense conversation with George. He acted "outside the normal range of things" and acted on his own.

LE hears the whole story about chocks, attitude, and car trunk in the driveway. He feels confident this story will fly. He has had time to rehearse it with Cindy who strongly encouraged him to add specific details, like the exact date it occurred. This has worked so well for them when they told Greta all about the news cooking show he was watching when he last saw the girls and for no apparent reason managed to burn into his memory what they were wearing so very long ago.

I don't think the gas can saga was scripted, I think it was a George hissy fit, and they played it into placing George near the trunk of the car on June 24. I am not sure what good this does for them. George didn't react responsibly when he smelled the car reeking of death at the towyard so how can he attempt to imply that the smell of death was not present or he would have smell it when it was still fresh.

[Pruddennce]

an interview with Lee that needs to be posted over and over...IMO

here he is in full-fledged LYING MODE: Casey and her SECRET EMPLOYER AND HE HAS BEEN ASKED NOT TO DISCLOSE THE NAME...LOL.....and his explanations as to why she left the home, SHE WAS WORKING, SHE HAD VACATION TIME...she was going to be doing all those mother/daughter things...going to theme parks, the beach...

right.

found around the 7:12 mark.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9yjoIjG7UY&feature=related

bear in mind this is August 5th and LE already substantiated in less than 24 hours she was not employed, ANYWHERE. Casey already admitted that. so why is Lee lying to the media, when that information will or had been released via the Sunshine law...

this blatant lie on her behalf is, IMO, what is so scary about this family.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[101Spots]

thank you thank you. that was it Spots. it was that weekend. which HAS BEEN the neverending discussion as to what transpired when Cindy came home. BOINK on me....:D Casey left and stayed at Ricardo's June 9th.

but wasnt Cindy home on the 27th, on vacation that week and would not have been by Amscott?

<respectfully snipped>

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

IIRC (which is getting to be more and more of a gamble these days) Cindy would have been on vacation June 30 to July 4. Add in the prior weekend (June 28, 29) and the following weekend (July 5, 6). So, she ~possibly~ could have seen the car on the 27th as she went home (if she was looking for it) but she didn't travel on her regular route until after the car was towed.

Does that make sense?

[apothecary]

I think that when G and C smelled the car they knew right away that someone had died in it.It may have not been Caylee in their minds,but it may have been someone else that Casey may have killed.Either way they did start to destroy valuable evidence because they thought that Casey had killed someone.There would have been no need to destroy evidence if they thought Casey was innocent.

[panokatana]

If anyone is watching the 15 Notorious women (they're on Eileen Warnos now)... A countdown of ordinary women whose notorious crimes have made them pseudo-celebrities"...

Guess who is Number One?

I wonder if she thinks this is a good thing? Can you say pseudo, Casey?

JMO

[Pruddennce]

IIRC (which is getting to be more and more of a gamble these days) Cindy would have been on vacation June 30 to July 4. Add in the prior weekend (June 28, 29) and the following weekend (July 5, 6). So, she ~possibly~ could have seen the car on the 27th as she went home (if she was looking for it) but she didn't travel on her regular route until after the car was towed.

Does that make sense?

yes :D

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[toadii]

No, she was a few cents off (but closer than anyone else). The area Kiomarie told them to search was on the other side of the school. LE searched that area the same day we learned that divers were going into a nearby lake (as a "training exercise" we were told after the fact). Very close, but ~slightly~ off-center.

Remember that while Kiomarie might be telling the truth as she knows it ("I offered to adopt."), Casey was the original source ("My mom won't let me give the baby up for adoption."). And we all know that Casey lies.
I agree with you. However this is one area that I just might have cut them some slack. If my daughter had a child in her teens I would have objected very strongly to her giving the child up for adoption to her BFF teenage, childless, single girlfriend .
I would have supported her choice to place the child, a profoundly personal descision for a woman to make at any age, but I would sure want the prospective parent(s) to be screened from here till the cows come home. This does not apply here. I do not believe it was a serious consideration and Casey lied again for drama.

Saddly I believe that Casey ignored the pregnancy hoping it would go away and when Cindy found out, she did the same.

[Julie Dupree]

Julie, it seems like Casey may have been practicing her "stories" way back when she was still in School. And, possibly even practicing segregating her groups of friends from each other and from family. This behavior of Casey's seems so strange to me, but she seems strange to me too.

Sun, the more I know about her, the less I understand.
Julie

[Julie Dupree]

Of course the stealing from GPs was not breaking news at this point, although I believe that cindy was still all in a dizzy because Shirley just didn't forgive and forget about it. Having to face Shirley about her daughters less than perfect behavior had to have been tough for Cindy.
What could she say? She only did it twice and gee, mom, I covered both times?
I have not discovered the circumstances regarding the prior stolen car report on the Anthony's LE history sheet, but I suspect C&G, by keeping the car in their name, were using it as a parenting tool, something they could use for levelage to get their way. The first two 911 calls support my impression that they hung past illegal activity over Casey's head. The old "Do what I tell you to because I have something on you, zanny,nanny,boo boo" school of parenting. JMO

When my children were in school and for the first year they were working, their cars were in my name. I kept them in my name since I had agreed to pay the insurance. I got a much better price by putting them on my policy as my cars than if I had signed the cars over to them and paid the insurance on separate policies. Thay might have been what G and C were doing also.
Julie

[toadii]

When my children were in school and for the first year they were working, their cars were in my name. I kept them in my name since I had agreed to pay the insurance. I got a much better price by putting them on my policy as my cars than if I had signed the cars over to them and paid the insurance on separate policies. Thay might have been what G and C were doing also.
Julie
You sound like a parent who supported your children towards maturity and independence.
I did the same with my three. They went to school, worked and earned the money to pay for their car. I put the cars in my name and they paid monthly for the increase in my ins. They paid for repairs and registration. This applied for as long as they lived under my (rented) roof. Once 18 they paid a portion of the rent and utliities. When they moved out on their own, they put their cars and ins in their names.
Now all that may make me sound like a mean mom but I am really a cream (not a crab) puff and there were plenty of forbearances cut during hard times without penalty. It is near impossible for young people to get ahead if they need a car to get to work and their ins costs ten times more then they paid for their car and more then they make in a year. In essense I assumed financial responsibility for them because they were acting responsibly. Casey had an imaginary job with no income for two yrs. They knew, they enabled and attached the word "stolen" to a car they knowingly let her use anyway just to threaten her. Cindy could have filed a report if she thought Casey had taken it out of town to Tampa weeks earlier if she was really worried about it. Not threatened, just done it. She might have had the help of LE in locating her car first and her granddaughter second.
This car was first Lee's from C&G and they said Casey bought it from him. It could have been with Cindy's cc or Grandma's stolen check or its just another lie. The truth is it is registered to C&G. I get so turned around when I try to write anything about this family that it helps me if I can winnow all the BS down to a truth.

[seeing_eye]

I agree with you. However this is one area that I just might have cut them some slack. If my daughter had a child in her teens I would have objected very strongly to her giving the child up for adoption to her BFF teenage, childless, single girlfriend .
I would have supported her choice to place the child, a profoundly personal descision for a woman to make at any age, but I would sure want the prospective parent(s) to be screened from here till the cows come home. This does not apply here. I do not believe it was a serious consideration and Casey lied again for drama.

Saddly I believe that Casey ignored the pregnancy hoping it would go away and when Cindy found out, she did the same.

ITA. I think Casey lied to Kio Marie, stringing her along with the hope of adopting Casey's child, then finally busting that hope by blaming it all on Cindy. Just like she did with Amy about moving in with her in her parent's home.

[101Spots]

ITA. I think Casey lied to Kio Marie, stringing her along with the hope of adopting Casey's child, then finally busting that hope by blaming it all on Cindy. Just like she did with Amy about moving in with her in her parent's home.

I had not considered that, but it makes sense. This would also mean that Casey was doing this sort of thing deliberately - screwing with people's lives. For fun.

What a gal.

Not.

[Imperfect4]

ITA. I think Casey lied to Kio Marie, stringing her along with the hope of adopting Casey's child, then finally busting that hope by blaming it all on Cindy. Just like she did with Amy about moving in with her in her parent's home.

When you stop to contemplate the games the OC was running on her friends, her family, pretty much everyone in her life -- it's somehow a shorter leap to imagine she murdered Caylee intentionally. She had no reason in the world to set poor Amy up for so much disappointment, other than to wield power over her. What a disgusting creature. :mad:

[toadii]

ITA. I think Casey lied to Kio Marie, stringing her along with the hope of adopting Casey's child, then finally busting that hope by blaming it all on Cindy. Just like she did with Amy about moving in with her in her parent's home.
I believe you are correct.
I also believe that she got such a perverse pleasure from doing this that she relished facing them afterwards. She had a lot of power to devastate her "friends". She couldn't have everything she wanted in life and she didn't like it. She deserved it and she didn't get it. Well, her friends were going to find out how that felt. She invented senarios for Kio and Amy which answered their emotional and legitimate needs, just waiting to dash their hopes. She would blame it on Cindy because she blamed Cindy.
and then she would move on to the next friend.
Maybe she hated Cindy more than she liked her friends.

[djmsmom]

This is one thought, I believe that C and G knew there was a dead body in the car from the moment they smelled it. They reported the car stolen after being found at the impound. Maybe they were hopeing that Casey had some car jacking story, that someone jacked the car with Caylee in it. Then she comes up with the stupid Zanni story, and they tried to expand on it.

[seeing_eye]

I had not considered that, but it makes sense. This would also mean that Casey was doing this sort of thing deliberately - screwing with people's lives. For fun.

What a gal.

Not.

It sure looks that way to me. IIRC, she was frequently making dates, etc., to see others, then backing out or just not showing up.

[summer]

When you stop to contemplate the games the OC was running on her friends, her family, pretty much everyone in her life -- it's somehow a shorter leap to imagine she murdered Caylee intentionally. She had no reason in the world to set poor Amy up for so much disappointment, other than to wield power over her. What a disgusting creature. :mad:

*wielding power* ! yes!

So correct and so simple. THANK YOU.

(ha, reminds me of that scene in Moonstruck when Olympia Dukakis asks Danny Aiello: "Why do men cheat?" His answer without missing a beat: "Because they fear death.") And she says - That's it! THANK YOU.

Thank you sista! :seeya:

[crimeq]

It sure looks that way to me. IIRC, she was frequently making dates, etc., to see others, then backing out or just not showing up.

100% irresponsible, all about her and what she felt like at the moment.

[summer]

There she was, Little Miss Nobody with delusions of grandeur - wanting to blow that pop stand -- look at the hell she was living -- being stuck in that two-bit town in that cracker box house dating those jerk-offs -- when she was really the Queen of Rumania! She had to go all Machiavellian, play them all like chess pieces, just for her amusement. She was so bored...

[ttcRider]

I always wondered that too...where was Casey on Father's day??? Where was George that day??? Was he working the afternoon shift??? He didn't go with Cindy to Mt. Dora did he??

It does seem wierd (which is becoming the norm) that they didnt celebrate Fathers Day with George. :confused:

[summer]

I believe you are correct.
I also believe that she got such a perverse pleasure from doing this that she relished facing them afterwards. She had a lot of power to devastate her "friends". She couldn't have everything she wanted in life and she didn't like it. She deserved it and she didn't get it. Well, her friends were going to find out how that felt. She invented senarios for Kio and Amy which answered their emotional and legitimate needs, just waiting to dash their hopes. She would blame it on Cindy because she blamed Cindy.
and then she would move on to the next friend.
Maybe she hated Cindy more than she liked her friends.

I owe you a coke. We just said the same thing a little bit differently at the same time... mind meld!

[toadii]

I always wondered that too...where was Casey on Father's day??? Where was George that day??? Was he working the afternoon shift??? He didn't go with Cindy to Mt. Dora did he??
I never figured out where Casey was that day, but I think at Casa de Anthony George was never "Father of the Year".

[101Spots]

I owe you a coke. We just said the same thing a little bit differently at the same time... mind meld!

You both get the beverage of your choice on me. I had never considered that Casey was messing with the "friends" deliberately, but it sure seems to fit with her divide and conquer mentality. Yes, she hated Cindy and that trumped everything. Take it out on anyone she could con. Mix that with rage from the arguments, voila - dead child.

As to Father's Day, I recall something about George not wanting a big deal made of it (probably Cindy's interpretation) and that he worked the afternoon shift that day. I don't think we've ever heard where Casey was or what/who she was doing that day.

[toadii]

I owe you a coke. We just said the same thing a little bit differently at the same time... mind meld!
A Pepsi,please, would be right fine.
I believe the more of Casey's friends she could cause to be angry at Cindy, the more people she on her side in a bizarre tug of war. Cindy always won because she could claim to be the better mother to Caylee.

[summer]

You both get the beverage of your choice on me. I had never considered that Casey was messing with the "friends" deliberately, but it sure seems to fit with her divide and conquer mentality. Yes, she hated Cindy and that trumped everything. Take it out on anyone she could con. Mix that with rage from the arguments, voila - dead child.

As to Father's Day, I recall something about George not wanting a big deal made of it (probably Cindy's interpretation) and that he worked the afternoon shift that day. I don't think we've ever heard where Casey was or what/who she was doing that day.

I can't believe George even got to be a finger on the hand in that family. Guess they had one left so they let him have it. :laugh:

I think he was mocked and ignored and disliked and disrespected each and every day. So father's day was just like "any other day" which meant George was not considered at all.

IMO JMO MOO JMHO

As to the *messing with her friends deliberately* a lightbulb went off when Imperfect mentioned it and then it was ding! ding! ding! Brilliant observation.

[Imperfect4]

There she was, Little Miss Nobody with delusions of grandeur - wanting to blow that pop stand -- look at the hell she was living -- being stuck in that two-bit town in that cracker box house dating those jerk-offs -- when she was really the Queen of Rumania! She had to go all Machiavellian, play them all like chess pieces, just for her amusement. She was so bored...

Exactly. She's VILE. How dare she take such liberties with real people (as opposed to whatever sort of reptilian creature she is)? She messed with her friends, her boyfriends, her boyfriends-in-waiting, her fiance, her parents, her brother, her extended family, stores, banks, cell phone companies, Orange County, the state of Florida, and God only knows who else. It blows my mind Little Miss Of No Consequence could wreak such havoc in so many people's lives.

[toadii]

This was posted by desmon on our June 15th thread of One year ago today...

We know she was not with the Amy/Ricardo crew. Cindy and Caylee went to Mt. Dora, George was at work. The only text message Casey to sent to Amy was in the evening. IMO, she spent the day with Tone.
__________________


I would say this is prolly true...she was way involved with Tone at the time.
Tone's family lived in NY, no school on Sun so that is likely.

[101Spots]

A Pepsi,please, would be right fine.
I believe the more of Casey's friends she could cause to be angry at Cindy, the more people she on her side in a bizarre tug of war. Cindy always won because she could claim to be the better mother to Caylee.

You got it, lady!

I never gave Casey credit for any kind of long-term thinking. I still don't believe she consciously planned this ahead. I think she just fell into these situations and instinctively went with the screw-'em scenarios.

[summer]

A Pepsi,please, would be right fine.
I believe the more of Casey's friends she could cause to be angry at Cindy, the more people she on her side in a bizarre tug of war. Cindy always won because she could claim to be the better mother to Caylee.

It's weird though that none of Casey's friends did seem to be angry with Cindy (well, I'm sure they are now LOL) but they even went over to the house at her insistence and had their little pow wow when she told them not to speak with the police IIRC - they seemed to respect her and not diss her, at least I can't remember any statements to that effect. Not like the neighbors did in that interview, calling Cindy evil (titter), etc.

With all that effort on Casey's part you'd think her friends would simply despise Cindy and make no bones about it. Nice kids I guess, actually. Huh.

[summer]

Exactly. She's VILE. How dare she take such liberties with real people (as opposed to whatever sort of reptilian creature she is)? She messed with her friends, her boyfriends, her boyfriends-in-waiting, her fiance, her parents, her brother, her extended family, stores, banks, cell phone companies, Orange County, the state of Florida, and God only knows who else. It blows my mind Little Miss Of No Consequence could wreak such havoc in so many people's lives.

heh, Sing out Louise! :laugh:

[toadii]

I can't believe George even got to be a finger on the hand in that family. Guess they had one left so they let him have it. :laugh:

I think he was mocked and ignored and disliked and disrespected each and every day. So father's day was just like "any other day" which meant George was not considered at all.

IMO JMO MOO JMHO

As to the *messing with her friends deliberately* a lightbulb went off when Imperfect mentioned it and then it was ding! ding! ding! Brilliant observation.
George was the dog that they kicked.
He blamed Cindy as well, but he never got anyone on his side.

[summer]

George was the dog that they kicked.
He blamed Cindy as well, but he never got anyone on his side.

I used to feel sorry for him. Even though I didn't excuse his actions I saw the pathos. Now he's dead to me. Loooser.

[Imperfect4]

It's weird though that none of Casey's friends did seem to be angry with Cindy (well, I'm sure they are now LOL) but they even went over to the house at her insistence and had their little pow wow when she told them not to speak with the police IIRC - they seemed to respect her and not diss her, at least I can't remember any statements to that effect. Not like the neighbors did in that interview, calling Cindy evil (titter), etc.

With all that effort on Casey's part you'd think her friends would simply despise Cindy and make no bones about it. Nice kids I guess, actually. Huh.

I think you have to take into consideration the fact these young folks were reeling from the realization they'd been dealing with someone they thought they knew, but didn't know at all. They basically had to throw out the window everything they thought they knew about Casey -- and everything she'd ever told them. Given those circumstances, it's easier to imagine they decided to take whatever Casey had told them about Cindy with a shaker of salt. (Plus, lots of kids complain about their parents, so I'm sure some of them had been writing off Casey's b!tching about Cindy as not terribly important to begin with.)

(Hiya, sista summer :seeya:)

[summer]

I think you have to take into consideration the fact these young folks were reeling from the realization they'd been dealing with someone they thought they knew, but didn't know at all. They basically had to throw out the window everything they thought they knew about Casey -- and everything she'd ever told them. Given those circumstances, it's easier to imagine they decided to take whatever Casey had told them about Cindy with a shaker of salt. (Plus, lots of kids complain about their parents, so I'm sure some of them had been writing off Casey's b!tching about Cindy as not terribly important to begin with.)

(Hiya, sista summer :seeya:)

Great points -- although at that age, just to be sure, I would have trusted the police more than Casey's mom, the Dread Pirate Roberta. Why go into cahoots with her? I would've stayed miles away!

It doesn't compute 100% with me but what else is new? :wub:

[101Spots]

Tone's family lived in NY, no school on Sun so that is likely.

And wasn't TonE's roomie out of town visiting his father that day? Empty apartment...........

[Imperfect4]

Great points -- although at that age, just to be sure, I would have trusted the police more than Casey's mom. The Dread Pirate Roberta.

It doesn't compute 100% with me but what else is new? :wub:

And that's a good point. I would have, too. I think even in my early 20's I would've had a line on Cynthia after about 2 minutes in her presence. Ugh.

[summer]

I guess they were intimidated by Cindy. She seems to have that effect on grown-ups too. :crying:

[summer]

And that's a good point. I would have, too. I think even in my early 20's I would've had a line on Cynthia after about 2 minutes in her presence. Ugh.

Wonder if any of their parents have gotten in Cindy's face? I would've been flipping out if that was my kid. I know Richard Grund has been fierce but wonder about Amy's family.

Cindy sez: "Zanny could be Amy or Jesse" blah blah blah. I would have gone ballistic if I heard her say that about my daughter!

[101Spots]

I guess they were intimidated by Cindy. She seems to have that effect on grown-ups too. :crying:

Or they were just plain curious as heck...... I would have gone just to find out what was going on.

ETA: And then gossiped with my friends about Cindy afterwards. :D:

[summer]

Or they were just plain curious as heck...... I would have gone just to find out what was going on.

That's because you were a junior super sleuth. :sneaky:

[toadii]

I think you have to take into consideration the fact these young folks were reeling from the realization they'd been dealing with someone they thought they knew, but didn't know at all. They basically had to throw out the window everything they thought they knew about Casey -- and everything she'd ever told them. Given those circumstances, it's easier to imagine they decided to take whatever Casey had told them about Cindy with a shaker of salt. (Plus, lots of kids complain about their parents, so I'm sure some of them had been writing off Casey's b!tching about Cindy as not terribly important to begin with.)

(Hiya, sista summer :seeya:)
So Casey didn't just complain about Cindy in general, she created situations where Cindy was the reason she had to disappoint her friends. I know your heart is broken Kio, but Cindy (who has no legal rights here) said you cannot have the baby. I am sorry luv, but she is not giving me the house now.

[summer]

We did that too; but not after age 18 and not without being able to prove said child was a full time student, then I think allstate allowed us to keep child on longer?
Does that ring a bell with anyone? Casey was an adult, way past the age of paying for her own way in life, it seems to be a running theme with this generation; so many are staying with or living in the parental home instead of flying away. No fledglings on our planet anymore!! :(

Honest she was a high school drop out, she didn't even have a job, they had to have paid her insurance but not on their policy.
Maybe Statewide it's different?

I think my parents gave me a break in my early twenties with their car - but it was their old car and I was working my butt off and going to school too. Big diff.

[Imperfect4]

I guess they were intimidated by Cindy. She seems to have that effect on grown-ups too. :crying:

I've met some Cindys over the years. They do intimidate some people. They wear down other people -- it's easier to let them have their way than argue with them. They don't fight fair because lying isn't a problem for them and always being right is their goal.

Other people are just plain blown away by the gall of someone like Cindy. It's one of those deals where you think of a bunch of great comebacks long after the conversation has ended. Most decent people don't expect the sort of awfulness Cindy projects, so when they come upon it, they literally don't know how to react. The only person I can think of who mixed it up with Cindy to any degree was Megyn Kelley of Fox News. Everyone else in her orbit seems to have let her run roughshod over them, which is what she's used to.

Consequently, it's rare that a Cindy is confronted with her lies, her bullying, her game playing, her terminal case of Repulsive Personality Disorder. Which is why at the ripe old age of 50, she's still as repulsive as she was when she first started out in life.

imo

[Imperfect4]

Wonder if any of their parents have gotten in Cindy's face? I would've been flipping out if that was my kid. I know Richard Grund has been fierce but wonder about Amy's family.

Cindy sez: "Zanny could be Amy or Jesse" blah blah blah. I would have gone ballistic if I heard her say that about my daughter!

Same here. And I would've relished an opportunity to get in Cindy's face ... trust me. :angry:

[Imperfect4]

So Casey didn't just complain about Cindy in general, she created situations where Cindy was the reason she had to disappoint her friends. I know your heart is broken Kio, but Cindy (who has no legal rights here) said you cannot have the baby. I am sorry luv, but she is not giving me the house now.

But of course, Cindy was countering all that stuff as it came up (if it came up). Who to believe ... who to believe?

The answer? No one in that lying family of liars.

[101Spots]

I've met some Cindys over the years. They do intimidate some people. They wear down other people -- it's easier to let them have their way than argue with them. They don't fight fair because lying isn't a problem for them and always being right is their goal.

Other people are just plain blown away by the gall of someone like Cindy. It's one of those deals where you think of a bunch of great comebacks long after the conversation has ended. Most decent people don't expect the sort of awfulness Cindy projects, so when they come upon it, they literally don't know how to react. The only person I can think of who mixed it up with Cindy to any degree was Megyn Kelley of Fox News. Everyone else in her orbit seems to have let her run roughshod over them, which is what she's used to.

Consequently, it's rare that a Cindy is confronted with her lies, her bullying, her game playing, her terminal case of Repulsive Personality Disorder. Which is why at the ripe old age of 50, she's still as repulsive as she was when she first started out in life.

imo

Do I hear an "Amen?"

<Amen! Amen!>

[toadii]

I've met some Cindys over the years. They do intimidate some people. They wear down other people -- it's easier to let them have their way than argue with them. They don't fight fair because lying isn't a problem for them and always being right is their goal.

Other people are just plain blown away by the gall of someone like Cindy. It's one of those deals where you think of a bunch of great comebacks long after the conversation has ended. Most decent people don't expect the sort of awfulness Cindy projects, so when they come upon it, they literally don't know how to react. The only person I can think of who mixed it up with Cindy to any degree was Megyn Kelley of Fox News. Everyone else in her orbit seems to have let her run roughshod over them, which is what she's used to.

Consequently, it's rare that a Cindy is confronted with her lies, her bullying, her game playing, her terminal case of Repulsive Personality Disorder. Which is why at the ripe old age of 50, she's still as repulsive as she was when she first started out in life.

imo
Umm, she's riper than that. She's 51.

[summer]

I've met some Cindys over the years. They do intimidate some people. They wear down other people -- it's easier to let them have their way than argue with them. They don't fight fair because lying isn't a problem for them and always being right is their goal.

Other people are just plain blown away by the gall of someone like Cindy. It's one of those deals where you think of a bunch of great comebacks long after the conversation has ended. Most decent people don't expect the sort of awfulness Cindy projects, so when they come upon it, they literally don't know how to react. The only person I can think of who mixed it up with Cindy to any degree was Megyn Kelley of Fox News. Everyone else in her orbit seems to have let her run roughshod over them, which is what she's used to.

Consequently, it's rare that a Cindy is confronted with her lies, her bullying, her game playing, her terminal case of Repulsive Personality Disorder. Which is why at the ripe old age of 50, she's still as repulsive as she was when she first started out in life.

imo

Yes. When you come across a bad actor like that it's totally STRANGE.

btw, I noticed shortly after that Megyn K interview a lot of the criticism and questioning of the A family actions was shut down. Shep Smith was pretty outraged in the beginning and then that stopped cold. Somehow the message was out - no dissing or even raising eyebrows at the grandparents. Annoying.

[summer]

Do I hear an "Amen?"

<Amen! Amen!>

Amen. And AMEN! :thumbsup:

[Imperfect4]

Umm, she's riper than that. She's 51.

Yep. And Casey's 23. Everyone in the Ant family is a year older than when this nightmare began.

Except Caylee. :mad: