Friday, July 17, 2009

[desmom]

One year ago today...July 17, 2008

Raw Video: Casey Anthony being transported from Sheriff’s Office
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_lHaKyW28A&feature=related

1215 hours George Anthony gave LE permission to remove and search the HP computer tower and Polaroid Digital Camera
Page 40 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3868229/guide-to-casey-anthony-documents-orlando-sentinel

LE interviewed:

Danny Colamarino http://www.docstoc.com/docs/4823876/Casey-Anthony-Danny-Colamarino

Maria Kissh http://www.docstoc.com/docs/4824057/Casey-Anthony-Maria-Kissh-Interview

Jonathan Daly http://www.docstoc.com/docs/4824042/Casey-Anthony-Jonathan-Daly-Interview

Sean Daly http://www.docstoc.com/docs/4825000/Casey-Anthony-Sean-Daly-interview

Matt Crisp http://www.docstoc.com/docs/4824071/Casey-Anthony-Matthew-Crisp-interview

LE received a phone call from Mark Hawkins
Page 186 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3868229/guide-to-casey-anthony-documents-orlando-sentinel

Interviewed Bobby Lee Williams and Mr. Lance White
Page 189 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3868229/guide-to-casey-anthony-documents-orlando-sentinel

Grandmother of Missing Girl Praying for Toddler’s Safe Return
http://www.wftv.com/news/16913867/detail.html

Raw Interview: Grandmother Praying for Safe Return of Missing Toddler
http://www.wftv.com/video/16914628/index.html

Girl Missing 5 Weeks Never Reported Lost; Mother Says Doing Own Search
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/16906125/detail.html
Images: http://www.clickorlando.com/slideshow/news/16906248/detail.html

‘Lies’ Plague Missing-Girl Search; Investigators Checking Phone Tips
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/16913585/detail.html

Missing Child Investigation Turns to Mother’s Home
http://www.wesh.com/news/16904053/detail.html

News Conference Held for Missing Toddler
http://www.wesh.com/video/16914277/index.html

Girl, 2, Missing For Over A Month
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/7/16/girl_2_missing_for_over_a_month.html

Nancy Grace, “Everybody, when we come back, police desperately searching for a beautiful little girl, Caylee. After the grandparents report her missing, we learn Caylee last seen five weeks ago. Why hasn’t Mommy called police? Tonight, where is 2-year-old Caylee Marie Anthony?”
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0807/17/ng.01.html

Investigators: Mother Emotionless While Discussing Missing Daughter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1K0HeLu3FI&feature=channel_page

[cassidy]

One year ago today...July 17, 2008

Investigators: Mother Emotionless While Discussing Missing Daughter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1K0HeLu3FI&feature=channel_page

I think this one pretty much sums it all up. Emotionless then and has remained emotionless. I don't think you can get much colder than Casey. 31 days of TonE, parties, going out dancing and good times while her daughter's remains were being scattered in the woods.

JMO

[Sun]

Good morning desmom. It is so creepy to see Cindy stroking the interviewers hand in that one video. And, George is sitting right there watching her do it. Unbelievable.

http://www.wftv.com/video/16914628/index.html

[Sun]

PROSECUTORS WANT STOLEN CHECK TRIAL MOVED UP
Motion For Trial Date
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19859813/detail.html


RESPONSE TO ABOVE MOTION was filed July 16 by the defense in regards to the State asking Judge Strickland to set a court date for the Criminal check/fraud charges.
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFile...ESPONSEDOC.pdf

[Scampi]

I think this one pretty much sums it all up. Emotionless then and has remained emotionless. I don't think you can get much colder than Casey. 31 days of TonE, parties, going out dancing and good times while her daughter's remains were being scattered in the woods.

JMO

Hiya Cass!! Don't mean to quibble with ya, but let's not forget the anthony's putting on the Ritz and scarfing down crab puffs while LE were on their hands and knees searching for all of Caylee's scattered remains in that swamp. Cold? Downright frigid is what this family is, imo. :thumbdown:

[cassidy]

Good morning desmom. It is so creepy to see Cindy stroking the interviewers hand in that one video. And, George is sitting right there watching her do it. Unbelievable.

http://www.wftv.com/video/16914628/index.html

it's interesting to go back and watch those early videos. Note Georges body language, he's sitting at an angle to Cindy, almost turning his back on her. Cindy wasn't wearing much bling back than was she? And I think she got all gussied up for that interview. Only one necklace and a watch, no earrings. How things have changed in a year, she's loaded with jewels now.

JMO

[cassidy]

Hiya Cass!! Don't mean to quibble with ya, but let's not forget the anthony's putting on the Ritz and scarfing down crab puffs while LE were on their hands and knees searching for all of Caylee's scattered remains in that swamp. Cold? Downright frigid is what this family is, imo. :thumbdown:

I agree Scamp..that was real low down too. They didn't even make an attempt to contact their grieving daughter ( not that anyone expected them to)...just straight to the Ritz with them. Crab cakes can't be kept waiting ya know! Cold, frigid, heartless.

[Sun]

I agree Scamp..that was real low down too. They didn't even make an attempt to contact their grieving daughter ( not that anyone expected them to)...just straight to the Ritz with them. Crab cakes can't be kept waiting ya know! Cold, frigid, heartless.

They had priorities, y'know. Had to meet their new attorney, Conway.

[Postergeist]

Morning All!

I read thru last night's posts and went whoa! Casey's attys really don't want LP in court! Someone has to be really worried as to what he could say to want someone barred from the courtroom or from testifying.

hmmm

Some had mentioned that Cindy had wondered if Casey sold Caylee and I'd forgotten that! *thud*

Now why would Cindy's mind ever go to that extreme- for a daughter who she has said is the best mom, so caring and loving and conscientious- why would those thoughts ever enter her mind?

Had it been threatened before? "I'll just sell her to a couple that wants a child" ?? Had their been discussion in the house- "look Casey, we just can't afford all the expenses of you and your child- you're sending us to the poor house" and she responds with- "okay, I could always sell her to a family that can afford her and pay you back for all your trouble" and this could explain George's weird statement on LKL that "hopefully Caylee's with a nice caring family who loves her" or some such nonsense? And Cindy's uttering "what have you done?" and "we forgive you for whatever you've said and done".

It at least shows that this family considered the selling of children not out of their realm of thinking. I was hoping that there was a link to that comment on last night's thread but didn't see one.

Over the past year it does seem like Cindy is Casey's puppet- which made me think of the old Mrs. Beasley doll- pull the string and there goes the canned answers

http://s7d4.scene7.com/is/image/CollectiblesToday/pdtl-327614001?$pdtl610$


imo

[cassidy]

They had priorities, y'know. Had to meet their new attorney, Conway.

yeah, he was probably hungry too. :w00t:

[AMS]

it's interesting to go back and watch those early videos. Note Georges body language, he's sitting at an angle to Cindy, almost turning his back on her. Cindy wasn't wearing much bling back than was she? And I think she got all gussied up for that interview. Only one necklace and a watch, no earrings. How things have changed in a year, she's loaded with jewels now.

JMO


Wow. There has definately been a bling transition. I could use some new jewelry. Guess I need to start myself a foundation. :wink:

imo

[Postergeist]

Hiya Cass!! Don't mean to quibble with ya, but let's not forget the anthony's putting on the Ritz and scarfing down crab puffs while LE were on their hands and knees searching for all of Caylee's scattered remains in that swamp. Cold? Downright frigid is what this family is, imo. :thumbdown:

Mornin' Scampi! Well sheese, give the lady a break- after all, she'd only been surviving on water and gum and no sleep for the past 5 months, she needed to break her hunger strike- and the way ya do it is by crab puff coping - it's all the rage for parents whose children commit filicide.

(allegedly)

imo

[AMS]

Hiya Cass!! Don't mean to quibble with ya, but let's not forget the anthony's putting on the Ritz and scarfing down crab puffs while LE were on their hands and knees searching for all of Caylee's scattered remains in that swamp. Cold? Downright frigid is what this family is, imo. :thumbdown:

Iceberg!! I used to love crab. Now every time I eat it I think of the A's at the Ritz. It's not as good as it used to be...for some reason.


imo

[Sun]

Morning All!

I read thru last night's posts and went whoa! Casey's attys really don't want LP in court! Someone has to be really worried as to what he could say to want someone barred from the courtroom or from testifying.

hmmm



imo

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/PADILLADOC.pdf

LP or his crew. Hard to believe the nonsense about an "oral agreement" especially if there was also a signed privacy agreement. Seems to me that someone is trying to shut the barn door after it's been open for over 10 months.

What is the defense so worried about, that could come out of LP and his crew? A little truth, perhaps. (don't believe I said this.)

[msgatorslayer]

Morning All!

Some had mentioned that Cindy had wondered if Casey sold Caylee and I'd forgotten that! *thud*

Now why would Cindy's mind ever go to that extreme- for a daughter who she has said is the best mom, so caring and loving and conscientious- why would those thoughts ever enter her mind?

imo

SNIPPED and G'morning Postie, all.

Yes, why would any Grama think her Mother of the Year Daughter sold her child to someone? And if she did, once arrested, Casey's self preservation would have kicked in and she would have told LE where Caylee was.

[Postergeist]

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/PADILLADOC.pdf

LP or his crew. Hard to believe the nonsense about an "oral agreement" especially if there was also a signed privacy agreement. Seems to me that someone is trying to shut the barn door after it's been open for over 10 months.

What is the defense so worried about, that could come out of LP and his crew? A little truth, perhaps. (don't believe I said this.)

Thanks Sun- and isn't it odd- but JB has said more than once that HE wants to the truth to come out when she has her day in court.

:confused:

I've been revisiting prior statements of Cindy's

Cindy Anthony: I smelled a smell in the car. I smelled it in my refrigerator with sour food.

LKL http://edition.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/05/14/lkl.george.cindy.anthony/index.html

[apothecary]

At the beginning we did not know as much about the family as we do now,but at first I just could not understand why she had to kill Caylee when she had so many other options.She could have given her to her mother or adopted her out,instead she cold heartedly killed her.The question why,why,why kept spinning in my head.From outward appearances the family looked normal and I could not see why she killed the baby.At first I honestly thought it may have been an "accident" and Casey was afraid to admit it,but now I see it was deliberate and that the family is far from normal.

[desmom]

:confused:

TES motion filed by defense in January:
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Amended%20Application%20for%20Subpoena%20Duces%20T ecum.pdf

TES motion filed by defense yesterday:
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/MILLERDOC.pdf

January motion denied:
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/013009Casey_Anthonys_attorneys_can_see_crime_scene
In denying the request to allow the defense team to have access to the records of Equusearch a private search group from Texas, the judge said that not only does the court not have jurisdiction but that the defense’s assertion that the non-profit search group was somehow an agent of the state because they worked closely with the Orange County Sheriffs Department did have enough evidence to prove their allegation.

[cassidy]

Thanks Sun- and isn't it odd- but JB has said more than once that HE wants to the truth to come out when she has her day in court.

:confused:

I've been revisiting prior statements of Cindy's

Cindy Anthony: I smelled a smell in the car. I smelled it in my refrigerator with sour food.

LKL http://edition.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/05/14/lkl.george.cindy.anthony/index.html



Cindy backpeddling. She said what she said on that 911 call..no going back on that. She can try, but it isn't working.

[desmom]

Are conversations with a bailbonsman and staff privileged?
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/PADILLADOC.pdf

:confused:

[cassidy]

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/PADILLADOC.pdf

LP or his crew. Hard to believe the nonsense about an "oral agreement" especially if there was also a signed privacy agreement. Seems to me that someone is trying to shut the barn door after it's been open for over 10 months.

What is the defense so worried about, that could come out of LP and his crew? A little truth, perhaps. (don't believe I said this.)

I've always thought that LP knew a whole lot. That heavily equipped truck of his wasn't sitting outside that house for nothing. I think he had some real sophisticated eavesdropping equipment in there and he used it. Whether it's admissable or not is another story. But it appears he has said enough to make the defense nervous and they want him to go away.


JMO

[cassidy]

Are conversations with a bailbonsman and staff privileged?
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/PADILLADOC.pdf

:confused:

Was LP the actual bondsman or did he act through a local bond company?

[AMS]

:confused:

TES motion filed by defense in January:
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Amended%20Application%20for%20Subpoena%20Duces%20T ecum.pdf

TES motion filed by defense yesterday:
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/MILLERDOC.pdf

January motion denied:
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/013009Casey_Anthonys_attorneys_can_see_crime_scene
In denying the request to allow the defense team to have access to the records of Equusearch a private search group from Texas, the judge said that not only does the court not have jurisdiction but that the defense’s assertion that the non-profit search group was somehow an agent of the state because they worked closely with the Orange County Sheriffs Department did have enough evidence to prove their allegation.


Is NeJame still representing TES?

imo

[Sun]

I just did a comparison of both motions in regards to TES, the one drafted by Baez, and the one yesterday drafted clearly by someone NOT Baez. .....what I found was that Baez managed to get his name on yesterday's motion, when it is clearly obvious that he could NOT have drafted it.

I'm going to guess that there is already a power-type game going on among the defense. The "stab" in yesterday's motion is that Lyon would have to become involved in the criminal check/fraud charges to litigate it to adequately "protect" Casey. Insinuating that Baez is not even able or prepared to handle a check/fraud case.

[cassidy]

Is NeJame still representing TES?

imo

Assuming he is, haven't heard otherwise.

[cassidy]

I just did a comparison of both motions in regards to TES, the one drafted by Baez, and the one yesterday drafted clearly by someone NOT Baez. .....what I found was that Baez managed to get his name on yesterday's motion, when it is clearly obvious that he could NOT have drafted it.

I'm going to guess that there is already a power-type game going on among the defense. The "stab" in yesterday's motion is that Lyon would have to become involved in the criminal check/fraud charges to litigate it to adequately "protect" Casey. Insinuating that Baez is not even able or prepared to handle a check/fraud case.



That really isn't suprising. To anyone other than Jose that is :)

[cassidy]

LP was not the bondsman...he did not put up the money...it was his nephew.

Then are they going after the wrong person?

[desmom]

If JB and Crew are so concerned about what Lenny and Team will say or did say, why didn't he file a motion months ago when Lenny was telling all on Nancy Grace's show?

[Julie Dupree]

Thanks Sun- and isn't it odd- but JB has said more than once that HE wants to the truth to come out when she has her day in court.

:confused:

I've been revisiting prior statements of Cindy's

Cindy Anthony: I smelled a smell in the car. I smelled it in my refrigerator with sour food.

LKL http://edition.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/05/14/lkl.george.cindy.anthony/index.html

But does he want the "true-truth"....:) I really do not think so.
Julie

[cassidy]

If JB and Crew are so concerned about what Lenny and Team will say or did say, why didn't he file a motion months ago when Lenny was telling all on Nancy Grace's show?

Because Andrea Lyon wasn't on board then. Think she might be doing clean-up?

[Sun]

OK...am I wrong...did I miss it somewhere???...where is the signed agreement??? It looks like JB and AL state what the supposed agreement said...but where is the signed agreement by Lenny, Tracy and Rob? It says see exhibit A...but I don't see it.

Rapunzel, I hope that one of the media will post Exhibit A online for all of us to see. It's been said that 110 pages of motions were filed late yesterday, and by my count the media has only made about 15 of those pages available online so far.

I want to see exhibit A also!!!

[happygert]

I can believe they were in charge of her security...but certainly not acting as defense council...

can't believe that there would be client privilege with a bondsman.. could this is why LP hasn't been deposed yet with M&M? I've said all along that there was a lot of info that LP had about casey and that whole dang physcotic family.. I can't believe that this is going to fly with the judge.. but who knows stranger things have happened..

Umm just a thought.. everyone that was in that house was bad mouth by c..Tim, LP, R.D.. umm Wonder what Tim over heard.. we know the rest must have heard something or the motion wouldn't have been filed.. wonder why they didnt file to get court order to stop DC and JH from talking?? or did they? BTW have any charges been filed against DC since he didnt show up to be deposed?

[Sun]

If JB and Crew are so concerned about what Lenny and Team will say or did say, why didn't he file a motion months ago when Lenny was telling all on Nancy Grace's show?

I believe that we are just now getting to see how Lyon will operate. She is going to pile on the paperwork, and challenge anything and everything (which I suppose is her job.) I expect that Judge Strickland will be up to the challenge.

[marshmallow]

That's what I was wondering...I can guess though...because JB had no freakin idea...this is all AL. JMO


she may find she boarded on the ship too late, the mice have all jumped overboard and it's listing badly to one side.
the time to zip the bounty's lip has passed.

[Postergeist]

Cindy backpeddling. She said what she said on that 911 call..no going back on that. She can try, but it isn't working.

very true cassidy on the back peddling- I've been searching to find out what I just read on a topix forum back in June was really said by Cindy- omg!

but can't seem to track that one down either listed on other sites- anyone else familiar with Cindy allegedly saying that the smell in the trunk was also from her daughter's underwear being in there (that she was on her monthly cycle)?-

I found that trying to narrow down any news source of grams considering Casey sold her- still not finding that either.

What an opposite family at times- Cindy says that she can't cut off ties with her flesh and blood~ but yet her daughter can. :blink:

[KatieLady]

If JB and Crew are so concerned about what Lenny and Team will say or did say, why didn't he file a motion months ago when Lenny was telling all on Nancy Grace's show?

Not to mention fighting the gag order!

Thanks for all of your hard work desmom. I really appreciate it :wub:

[happygert]

LP was not the bondsman...he did not put up the money...it was his nephew.

Thats right.. LP is a bounty hunter... cant believe a bounty hunter would have a client privilege.. did i read that 110 motions were filed?
WTH?? what is this flood the court with paper so they can say well your honor we cant possible be ready to go to court in a year we have not had time to depose the witnesses and prepare our case.. You know all the frivolous motions..er I mean thousands of motions that we have to file in this case..So therefore on the check charges we need a cov or they should be put on hold for 2 or 3 years until were done with the murder case.. BTW never in my life have I ever heard of a change of venue for forgery. or a death penalty lawyer defending someone with check forgery charges.. has anyone else?.

the next thing will be c's 911 calls, all statement made by g and c.. they'll come up with family privilege jail house video's and casey's statements to LE..

[Postergeist]

But does he want the "true-truth"....:) I really do not think so.
Julie

yanno- there's always the future possibility that we'll get to hear how Jose's frig smells too in comparision to the trunk- heck, maybe the A's frig will be brought in as one of their defense exhibits.

(hearing Jeff Foxworthy saying "now tell me that don't stink" in my head)

:scared:

[Myka]

Wow. There has definately been a bling transition. I could use some new jewelry. Guess I need to start myself a foundation. :wink:

imo

maybe Cindy has been ugly coping and needed some retail therapy and bought the bling?

[Julie Dupree]

I believe that we are just now getting to see how Lyon will operate. She is going to pile on the paperwork, and challenge anything and everything (which I suppose is her job.) I expect that Judge Strickland will be up to the challenge.

Remember Sun, Ms Lyon promised that she would be filing lots of motions in the next couple of months and they would be very plain and we would know exactly what she was saying...I wonder now if that was so much for us or for JB's benefit???


http://www.wftv.com/video/19591538/index.html

[AMS]

Because Andrea Lyon wasn't on board then. Think she might be doing clean-up?

Exactly. Baez was so busy eating licorice with the OC, there are probably many things he didn't do.

imo

[cassidy]

Thats right.. LP is a bounty hunter... cant believe a bounty hunter would have a client privilege.. did i read that 110 motions were filed?WTH?? what is this flood the court with paper so they can say well your honor we cant possible be ready to go to court in a year we have not had time to depose the witnesses and prepare our case.. You know all the frivolous motions..er I mean thousands of motions that we have to file in this case..So therefore on the check charges we need a cov or they should be put on hold for 2 or 3 years until were done with the murder case.. BTW never in my life have I ever heard of a change of venue for forgery. or a death penalty lawyer defending someone with check forgery charges.. has anyone else?.

the next thing will be c's 911 calls, all statement made by g and c.. they'll come up with family privilege jail house video's and casey's statements to LE..

That may be the name of the game from here on out. Clog the courts with paperwork. Anyone out there still care about justice? Or is it all about out manuevering? ***sigh*** And Caylee gets shoved even futher into the background.

[cassidy]

Exactly. Baez was so busy eating licorice with the OC, there are probably many things he didn't do.

imo

And many of the things he did do may have been done wrong.

[101Spots]

That may be the name of the game from here on out. Clog the courts with paperwork. Anyone out there still care about justice? Or is it all about out manuevering? ***sigh*** And Caylee gets shoved even futher into the background.

Remember that saying, "If you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with moo-poo"? I do believe we have officially entered the "baffle 'em" stage of this farce.

[Bala]

Saying Amy got her money back so she should just shut up and go away is just adding insult to injury. Amy was victimized by Casey and deserves her day in court just like any other victim. I would think that Lyon would know better than to act like Amy doesn't count. If Casey doesn't want it to go to trial then maybe she should just plead guilty and free up her lawyers to work on her dp case.

[Postergeist]

going back in time- I guess the A's will continue to stay tight-lipped on what the discourse was back in late May of '08.

It also must be something that Casey never felt to share with a friend, that a friend has shared with LE.

(relistening to the neighbor's interview from Sept- it's under 8 min. *caution there is some language)

"casey acted like a spoiled brat basically"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8gOBrJSHdU

[happygert]

That may be the name of the game from here on out. Clog the courts with paperwork. Anyone out there still care about justice? Or is it all about out manuevering? ***sigh*** And Caylee gets shoved even futher into the background.

Exactly! Its a given that casey nor her family cares or cared about Caylee.. They sure dont want justice.they just want blood money and their bedhopping, lying, stealing, tattood, murdering daughter home so she can do it all over again.. so she can live the good life.

[Postergeist]

Think it was 110 pages not motions and no I never heard of a DP attorney handling a check fraud case ...:mellow:

(my bold)

well- no one has been as special as Baez's girl Casey! :ohmy:

(but I don't think any other FL check thieves have to worry about getting the DP for that particular crime)

[SoggyBayou]

Ignore if this has been posted.
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/anthony_case/071609baez_defense_team

JB is bragging again.
"Jose Baez sat down with FOX 35 reporter Holly Bristow to talk about the defense team.

Baez has teamed up with several nationally renowned experts to help him save his clients life. Andrea Lyon is a law professor from Chicago. She’s known as the "angel of death row" because she has never lost a death penalty case.

High profile New York attorney Linda Kenny Baden specializes in forensics. “There are ranges of the spectrum where you have science presented in the courtroom that completely relies on empirical data and then you have an area of science that relies on a person’s opinions and beliefs. That is where the area of false convictions comes up that's where false interpretation comes up and that’s where scientists become advocates,” said Baez.

Forensic expert Dr. Henry Lee's is also part of Casey's team. His testimony helped free OJ Simpson. So why are they helping to defend an unemployed single mother? “There wasn't one person that I was able to talk to that wasn't fascinated by this case when I was done.”
IMO

[Julie Dupree]

Saying Amy got her money back so she should just shut up and go away is just adding insult to injury. Amy was victimized by Casey and deserves her day in court just like any other victim. I would think that Lyon would know better than to act like Amy doesn't count. If Casey doesn't want it to go to trial then maybe she should just plead guilty and free up her lawyers to work on her dp case.

Bala, what you are saying is based on good common sense and brilliant logically thinking...two things that no on the defense team can afford to use at this point.
Julie

[happygert]

Think it was 110 pages not motions and no I never heard of a DP attorney handling a check fraud case...:mellow:

whew.. thanks.. 110 pages is still a lot of motions imo

[cassidy]

Just how many years can they drag this out? I can't believe that Casey is at all happy about spending her days in jail. Somehow she doesn't strike me as the complacent, non-complaining type. She has to miss the party scene and the endless guys to hook up with. Not to mention her cell phone and her freedom.

[martha]

Good morning everyone. I hope you or all having a very good day. My house work is getting in the way of me keeping up with this case. I have let it all go for the last year and now I am trying to catch up on some of it.ha, I guess I need to be doing things now because if this ever comes to trial I sure want be doing anything then. I guess I have plenty of time to catch up because they will keep putting this trial of. c and g want to keep making money with their foundation. They have the easy life now and or buying new things. They look like they have plenty of money now. I guess all theirs bills or getting paid by people that really want to believe in them and casey. Thank goodness it is not me sending them money. I would help anyone that I thought was telling the truth and really needed help but the a;s don;t. How in the world casey is getting so many lawyers I will never know. I just want her to stay in jail. She don;t care about anyone but her self and why should other people care about her? same with c and g.jmho

[Neffy]

If JB and Crew are so concerned about what Lenny and Team will say or did say, why didn't he file a motion months ago when Lenny was telling all on Nancy Grace's show?

That's exactly what I want to know. Why now? Padilla's been spilling what he knows for over a year. The majority of what he knows is public knowledge. Too late if it is true. I don't think it is. Bondsman have a duty to post bond and make sure their client shows up in court.

OJ's bondsman revoked his bail, recorded OJ making statements and was on the witness stand along with his recording in the LV heist.

This took place between Florida and Vegas.

This isn't going to float.

[Lapis]

Saying Amy got her money back so she should just shut up and go away is just adding insult to injury. Amy was victimized by Casey and deserves her day in court just like any other victim. I would think that Lyon would know better than to act like Amy doesn't count. If Casey doesn't want it to go to trial then maybe she should just plead guilty and free up her lawyers to work on her dp case.

With all due respect that is not what AL said. She was merely pointing out to the court that Amy has be reimbursed as has BOA. They have been made whole. She points this out as a factor to consider when weighing the competing rights of the parties. You also cannot use the system to force a defendant to plead guilty. That is not justice its blackmail. JMO

[cassidy]

That's exactly what I want to know. Why now? Padilla's been spilling what he knows for over a year. The majority of what he knows is public knowledge. Too late if it is true. I don't think it is. Bondsman have a duty to post bond and make sure their client shows up in court.

OJ's bondsman revoked his bail, recorded OJ making statements and was on the witness stand along with his recording in the LV heist.

This took place between Florida and Vegas.

This isn't going to float.

That all happened when Jose was in charge. Things have changed and Andrea is now in charge. But I agree, the information is already out, unless Lenny's been hiding a few cards and they know it.

JMO

[Postergeist]

Just how many years can they drag this out? I can't believe that Casey is at all happy about spending her days in jail. Somehow she doesn't strike me as the complacent, non-complaining type. She has to miss the party scene and the endless guys to hook up with. Not to mention her cell phone and her freedom.

well Jose said this-

Baez says that by this time next year the trial should be over.


http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/anthony_case/071609one_on_one_jose_baez

(I've been posting some links on the links thread)

[cassidy]

well Jose said this-

Baez says that by this time next year the trial should be over.


http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/anthony_case/071609one_on_one_jose_baez

(I've been posting some links on the links thread)
Interesting statement from Jose, considering he's provided much of the entertainment ofer the past year and not much on learning about the criminal justice system (IMO).
"Jose Baez: “One would think a high profile case would give the public the opportunity to learn about the system, our public justice system and the law. Unfortunately I've learned that it’s more about entertainment than what actually transpires in the criminal justice system."

[cassidy]

well Jose said this-

Baez says that by this time next year the trial should be over.


http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/anthony_case/071609one_on_one_jose_baez

(I've been posting some links on the links thread)

I wonder what AL's opinion of that is?

[happygert]

With all due respect that is not what AL said. She was merely pointing out to the court that Amy has be reimbursed as has BOA. They have been made whole. She points this out as a factor to consider when weighing the competing rights of the parties. You also cannot use the system to force a defendant to plead guilty. That is not justice its blackmail. JMO


With all due respect casey had no qualms about taking and cleaning out Amy's personal checking account and using her money as casey saw fit.. Why should Amy give a rats but that casey hasn't been tried for murder and give up her rights as a victim? and sit on back burner for what looks like years until after the murder trial? No I dont blame Amy one bit.. I'd want casey tried as soon as possible.. IMO Amy has waited long enough!.. Time for casey to get her just desserts.. Time for Amy to get justice.. Unlike the a's who dont want their daughter tried Amy does.. Just because mommy and daddy once again bailed casey out why does that mean Amy should wait for justice..It'[s already been a year.. see thats the problem casey the a's have gotten by with a whole lot of crap that most of us would have already been arrested for..Justice for Amy.. we all know Caylee's justice will be a longtime coming..

[Lapis]

With all due respect casey had no qualms about taking and cleaning out Amy's personal checking account and using her money as casey saw fit.. Why should Amy give a rats but that casey hasn't been tried for murder and give up her rights as a victim? and sit on back burner for what looks like years until after the murder trial? No I dont blame Amy one bit.. I'd want casey tried as soon as possible.. IMO Amy has waited long enough!.. Time for casey to get her just desserts.. Time for Amy to get justice.. Unlike the a's who dont want their daughter tried Amy does.. Just because mommy and daddy once again bailed casey out why does that mean Amy should wait for justice..It'[s already been a year.. see thats the problem casey the a's have gotten by with a whole lot of crap that most of us would have already been arrested for..Justice for Amy.. we all know Caylee's justice will be a longtime coming..

I was merely pointing out that it is not up to Amy and its not up to Casey. Nor is it decided on the basis of what you want or what I want. The court will make the decision. I for one will be fine with the decision. It is AL's job to point bring certain facts to the court's attention that may have bearing on the decision. To imput certain feelings to her in making her argument is unfair.

I dare say that whether the case is tried now or later is not going to make you feel any better about the Anthonys.

Judge Strickland's overriding duty is to insure that Casey gets a fair trial especially in a capital murder case. If that means that the check charges have to wait sobeit. JMO

[bchand]

With all due respect that is not what AL said. She was merely pointing out to the court that Amy has be reimbursed as has BOA. They have been made whole. She points this out as a factor to consider when weighing the competing rights of the parties. You also cannot use the system to force a defendant to plead guilty. That is not justice its blackmail. JMO

They way I read it is that Amy has been made whole BY BOA. I don't see where BOA was made whole.

This thinking reminds me of Cindy paying HER mother back so forget about the crime. IMO

[Lapis]

They way I read it is that Amy has been made whole BY BOA. I don't see where BOA was made whole.

This thinking reminds me of Cindy paying HER mother back so forget about the crime. IMO

In the motion AL states BOA has been reimbursed, and she attaches a letter from BOA. At this point we don't know who paid BOA. JMO

[happygert]

I was merely pointing out that it is not up to Amy and its not up to Casey. Nor is it decided on the basis of what you want or what I want. The court will make the decision. I for one will be fine with the decision. It is AL's job to point bring certain facts to the court's attention that may have bearing on the decision. To imput certain feelings to her in making her argument is unfair.

I dare say that whether the case is tried now or later is not going to make you feel any better about the Anthonys.

Judge Strickland's overriding duty is to insure that Casey gets a fair trial especially in a capital murder case. If that means that the check charges have to wait sobeit. JMO

Yes poor little baby killer casey's rights must override the rights of the victims rights.. The baby she killed has no rights, the people she basically robbed have no rights. VICTIMS HAVE NO RIGHTS...I sure hope Judge Strickland says no and sets a date.. I dont see where this case going to trial is going to interfere with the baby killers rights to a fair trial.. (casey wont take the stand so what difference does it make?) AL which is a dp attorney and all the rest can work on the baby killers murder trial while jb defends the check charges .. you don't need a DP qualified attorney to defend casey on forgery.. she has plenty of attorneys and Im sure no doubt students of AL working on the murder case..

[trich]

With all due respect casey had no qualms about taking and cleaning out Amy's personal checking account and using her money as casey saw fit.. Why should Amy give a rats but that casey hasn't been tried for murder and give up her rights as a victim? and sit on back burner for what looks like years until after the murder trial? No I dont blame Amy one bit.. I'd want casey tried as soon as possible.. IMO Amy has waited long enough!.. Time for casey to get her just desserts.. Time for Amy to get justice.. Unlike the a's who dont want their daughter tried Amy does.. Just because mommy and daddy once again bailed casey out why does that mean Amy should wait for justice..It'[s already been a year.. see thats the problem casey the a's have gotten by with a whole lot of crap that most of us would have already been arrested for..Justice for Amy.. we all know Caylee's justice will be a longtime coming..


I couldn't have said it better.
I am so sick of hearing about defendants rights while victims rights seem to be pushed aside.
A victim deserves justice ...why do defense attorneys make it seem like
that is wrong and the defendant is the victim .
Twisted is what I call it.
Considering they have Casey on video spending Amy's money ...it seems to me it would be in her best interest to admit to her theivery and fraud and get that over with.

[Bala]

With all due respect that is not what AL said. She was merely pointing out to the court that Amy has be reimbursed as has BOA. They have been made whole. She points this out as a factor to consider when weighing the competing rights of the parties. You also cannot use the system to force a defendant to plead guilty. That is not justice its blackmail. JMO

The problem for me is that there is not enough money in the world that will make Amy whole again. I wasn't trying to say that Casey should be forced to plead guilty just that Amy has a right to her day in court. I don't think trying this case would be a undue burden on the defense only that they don't want a conviction for fraud on Casey's record before the murder trial. If the murder trial was going to happen soon I could see delaying the fraud charge but why should Amy suffer so the defense can delay delay delay.

[bchand]

In the motion AL states BOA has been reimbursed, and she attaches a letter from BOA. At this point we don't know who paid BOA. JMO

Ok I see that now. The bank was also recompensed. Attachment D.

I still hope the judge disagrees with them and either takes it to trial or she pleads guilty.

I know she's doing the time but I'd like to see "convicted" on the record and I don't see why Lyon needs to be involved in that trial.

It's like bringing a machine gun to a water pistol contest. IMO

[happygert]

I couldn't have said it better.
I am so sick of hearing about defendants rights while victims rights seem to be pushed aside.
A victim deserves justice ...why do defense attorneys make it seem like
that is wrong and the defendant is the victim .
Twisted is what I call it.
Considering they have Casey on video spending Amy's money ...it seems to me it would be in her best interest to admit to her theivery and fraud and get that over with.

ITA!.. they try and make the victims look like they have done something wrong.. I also think if jb and the rest don't want her going to trial, plead guilty and get it over with.. all the evidence is right there in reel time.. I guess they are going to use the nanny defense in that crime to.. oh but your honor that was the script ZFG told her to follow.. she must spend Amy's money on booze ,sun glasses,clothes, tatoo's, partying and food.. oh wait her phone bill and teddys too for the guy she happened to be with that day..

[happygert]

Ok I see that now. The bank was also recompensed. Attachment D.

I still hope the judge disagrees with them and either takes it to trial or she pleads guilty.

I know she's doing the time but I'd like to see "convicted" on the record and I don't see why Lyon needs to be involved in that trial.

It's like bringing a machine gun to a water pistol contest. IMO

Yes and what money do you think the A's used to pay back the BOA? 3 guesses and the first 2 don't count.. Blood money..from begging for donations to find a so called "MISSING CHILD" when they knew all along Caylee was a "MURDERED CHILD"..

Yes just because she's sitting behind bars means nothing. it's because of her and her attorneys delays not because of the state.. ITA. when she's convicted thats when it counts..

[summer]

The problem for me is that there is not enough money in the world that will make Amy whole again. I wasn't trying to say that Casey should be forced to plead guilty just that Amy has a right to her day in court. I don't think trying this case would be a undue burden on the defense only that they don't want a conviction for fraud on Casey's record before the murder trial. If the murder trial was going to happen soon I could see delaying the fraud charge but why should Amy suffer so the defense can delay delay delay.

The most annoying thought is if the OC's team manages to get the fraud trial pushed back you just KNOW how many times during the criminal trial it'll be argued that the defendant has NO RECORD, NO CRIMINAL HISTORY, she's as CLEAN AS THE DRIVEN SNOW -- one baby killing, pshaw, an abberation! Consider it a fraternity prank! NO PAST MISDEEDS!

Ad nauseum.

[happygert]

The problem for me is that there is not enough money in the world that will make Amy whole again. I wasn't trying to say that Casey should be forced to plead guilty just that Amy has a right to her day in court. I don't think trying this case would be a undue burden on the defense only that they don't want a conviction for fraud on Casey's record before the murder trial. If the murder trial was going to happen soon I could see delaying the fraud charge but why should Amy suffer so the defense can delay delay delay.

ITA!... defense wants delay after delay in murder trial so be it.. Amy wants justice.. let defense suffer consquences of the delay of murder trial.. Forgery and theft go forward..the rate this is going it's going to be probably years before murder trial starts.. get the forgery trial done.

[Jester]

With all due respect casey had no qualms about taking and cleaning out Amy's personal checking account and using her money as casey saw fit.. Why should Amy give a rats but that casey hasn't been tried for murder and give up her rights as a victim? and sit on back burner for what looks like years until after the murder trial? No I dont blame Amy one bit.. I'd want casey tried as soon as possible.. IMO Amy has waited long enough!.. Time for casey to get her just desserts.. Time for Amy to get justice.. Unlike the a's who dont want their daughter tried Amy does.. Just because mommy and daddy once again bailed casey out why does that mean Amy should wait for justice..It'[s already been a year.. see thats the problem casey the a's have gotten by with a whole lot of crap that most of us would have already been arrested for..Justice for Amy.. we all know Caylee's justice will be a longtime coming..

Maybe this is a dumb question, but is there some benefit to seeing Casey tried for using Amy's checks? I mean, when Casey is found guilty, can Amy sue Casey for some financial compensation that exceeds that value of the checks? Could Amy also open the can of worms of where Casey's money is coming from is she sues for something like pain and suffering?

[summer]

Yeah and in Cindy's words..."Well she only did it once."

Yup. Everyone gets a free pass once, right?

And the defense in this case is shameless, shameless. No way would they appreciate the chance to take the murder case to trial without the burden of the OC having a prior conviction.

Nooooo. They'll hammer home her clean record. You can take that to the BOA.

ETA: That is so funny! I typed the word "hammer" and it translated to the graphic! And I've always wondered how you got the hammer emoticon. hehe.

ETA again. Oh Geez, never mind. I get it. I get it.

[Katprint]

<respectfully snipped>

Some had mentioned that Cindy had wondered if Casey sold Caylee and I'd forgotten that! *thud*

Now why would Cindy's mind ever go to that extreme- for a daughter who she has said is the best mom, so caring and loving and conscientious- why would those thoughts ever enter her mind?

Had it been threatened before? "I'll just sell her to a couple that wants a child" ?? Had their been discussion in the house- "look Casey, we just can't afford all the expenses of you and your child- you're sending us to the poor house" and she responds with- "okay, I could always sell her to a family that can afford her and pay you back for all your trouble" and this could explain George's weird statement on LKL that "hopefully Caylee's with a nice caring family who loves her" or some such nonsense? And Cindy's uttering "what have you done?" and "we forgive you for whatever you've said and done".

It at least shows that this family considered the selling of children not out of their realm of thinking. I was hoping that there was a link to that comment on last night's thread but didn't see one.
I think I am the one who mentioned it last night. I went to go find a link, but I wasn't able to figure out how to pull up the old links. I am pretty sure Lee was the one who said it, and that he said it during the secret hidden-video conversation in Tony's car (or whoever's car that was) that was set up by the police, but I can't seem to find any links to that.

If and when I ever do find it, I will post a fresh link in the current sticky Links section.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[summer]

Ha Ha...same with the barf

:laugh: Too funny.

[happygert]

Maybe this is a dumb question, but is there some benefit to seeing Casey tried for using Amy's checks? I mean, when Casey is found guilty, can Amy sue Casey for some financial compensation that exceeds that value of the checks? Could Amy also open the can of worms of where Casey's money is coming from is she sues for something like pain and suffering?

Yes there sure is.. Amy was another victim of casey's.. Why should casey keep getting away with the stealing? wouldn't you want justice if someone did this to you?? I don think you'd be asking that question if it was you.. Has anyone ever cleaned out your bank account?? Well let me tell you it's devastating!..I dont think Amy can sue her but she sure wants justice for what she did..Now if checks would have bounced because of it . then it may be a different story.. Why should casey take what ever she wants from everyone around her thats WORKED HARD for their money? now if mommy and daddy have gave casey consequences for he actions long ago then maybe she wouldn't have stolen from everyone around her.. and if mommy hadn't talked Grandma out of pressing charges against casey Caylee would still be alive.. Its time casey learned you cant take what belongs to others and get away with it.. consequences for her actions....

She may be able to sue her for Identity theft.. I dont know how it works about Amy being able to sue her..

[Bala]

Maybe this is a dumb question, but is there some benefit to seeing Casey tried for using Amy's checks? I mean, when Casey is found guilty, can Amy sue Casey for some financial compensation that exceeds that value of the checks? Could Amy also open the can of worms of where Casey's money is coming from is she sues for something like pain and suffering?

From the prosecutors side it benifits them because then Casey doesn't go in with a clean record. If Amy or Zanny win a civil case then Casey's finances would come into play and we might find out who's footing the bill.

[Postergeist]

I couldn't have said it better.
I am so sick of hearing about defendants rights while victims rights seem to be pushed aside.
A victim deserves justice ...why do defense attorneys make it seem like
that is wrong and the defendant is the victim .
Twisted is what I call it.
Considering they have Casey on video spending Amy's money ...it seems to me it would be in her best interest to admit to her theivery and fraud and get that over with.

imo trich- those that pick the career they do, it's not their job to think about the value of life of the victim as they make no profit from it- they don't think about the hardship of the victim that loses their job or their home or their finances because they make no profit from it- they are not getting paid by those victims- and since they profit from who they defend, those are the only rights they consider, imo.

It does appear their client's rights surpasses the rights of the victims that have been damaged or eliminated. Does anyone really think there is a defense attorney out there that has said- I want to give the prosecution more time to ensure the State has a fair trial?!

[Jester]

Yes there sure is.. Amy was another victim of casey's.. Why should casey keep getting away with the stealing? wouldn't you want justice if someone did this to you?? I don think you'd be asking that question if it was you.. Has anyone ever cleaned out your bank account?? Well let me tell you it's devastating!..I dont think Amy can sue her but she sure wants justice for what she did..Now if checks would have bounced because of it . then it may be a different story.. Why should casey take what ever she wants from everyone around her thats WORKED HARD for their money? now if mommy and daddy have gave casey consequences for he actions long ago then maybe she wouldn't have stolen from everyone around her.. and if mommy hadn't talked Grandma out of pressing charges against casey Caylee would still be alive.. Its time casey learned you cant take what belongs to others and get away with it.. consequences for her actions....

She may be able to sue her for Identity theft.. I dont know how it works about Amy being able to sue her..

Of course Amy was victimized by Casey. I am wondering if Amy is entitled to more than seeing Casey convicted and being compensated dollar for dollar. Does anyone know if Amy could sue Casey for pain and suffering, and thereby also force her to expose her financial assets.

[summer]

Maybe this is a dumb question, but is there some benefit to seeing Casey tried for using Amy's checks? I mean, when Casey is found guilty, can Amy sue Casey for some financial compensation that exceeds that value of the checks? Could Amy also open the can of worms of where Casey's money is coming from is she sues for something like pain and suffering?

Just plain and simple, Amy has the right to her timely day in court. Just like everyone else. That's the way I see it. Casey's positioning preferences shouldn't trump the rights of her victims.

Caylee's being made to wait which is too bad -- but I don't think Amy, or for that matter, ZFG, should have to wait an undue amount of time.

ETA: Jester, I understood your question - don't mean to pile on!

[Bala]

I have always been a firm believer that there should be a time limit from when the defendant is charged to how long they can delay the case. I also believe that the defense should have to have solid evidence against a witness like Jesse Grund before they can accuse him in from of a jury. Casey should be able to throw others under the bus just to protect herself.

[happygert]

Of course Amy was victimized by Casey. I am wondering if Amy is entitled to more than seeing Casey convicted and being compensated dollar for dollar. Does anyone know if Amy could sue Casey for pain and suffering, and thereby also force her to expose her financial assets.


I dont know Jester.. Only hope she can.. and sorry Jester read your post wrong.. so sorry.. gert

[Sun]

Saying Amy got her money back so she should just shut up and go away is just adding insult to injury. Amy was victimized by Casey and deserves her day in court just like any other victim. I would think that Lyon would know better than to act like Amy doesn't count. If Casey doesn't want it to go to trial then maybe she should just plead guilty and free up her lawyers to work on her dp case.

And, I'm thinking that if Casey doesn't think that she can get a fair and impartial jury in the Orlanda area, then doesn't she still have the option of asking for a bench trial?

It's not going to make much difference sentence-wise, if she goes to trial or just pleads guilty, is it?

[Jester]

From the prosecutors side it benifits them because then Casey doesn't go in with a clean record. If Amy or Zanny win a civil case then Casey's finances would come into play and we might find out who's footing the bill.

I'm still very curious about where Casey is getting her money. I like the idea that a conviction for anything will prevent the defense from describing Casey, during her murder trial, as never having done anything wrong.

If the theft charge were to go ahead, and Casey is found guilty, then I would think suing for damages is much easier for Amy. I don't know enough about the law to know if Amy has grounds to sue for damages.

[Postergeist]

I think I am the one who mentioned it last night. I went to go find a link, but I wasn't able to figure out how to pull up the old links. I am pretty sure Lee was the one who said it, and that he said it during the secret hidden-video conversation in Tony's car (or whoever's car that was) that was set up by the police, but I can't seem to find any links to that.

If and when I ever do find it, I will post a fresh link in the current sticky Links section.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Thanks Katprint- there might not be a transcript out there of the secret taping

here are some links posted over at WS

Tony Lazzaro Undercover Speaking To Lee - ~July 30, 2008 Part 1
http://www.wftv.com/video/19105515/index.html
http://www.cfnews13.com/MediaPlayer2...0Lee%20Anthony

Tony Lazzaro Undercover Speaking To Lee - ~July 30, 2008 Part 2
http://www.wftv.com/video/19106026/index.html

Tony Lazzaro Undercover Speaking To Lee - ~July 30, 2008 Part 3
http://www.wftv.com/video/19106469/index.html

Tony Lazzaro Undercover Speaking To Lee - ~July 30, 2008 Part 4
http://www.wftv.com/video/19106773/index.html

done by PattyG

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3684634&postcount=10

(hope it's ok to link to this board- when I have some time I'll try to listen to these)

[summer]

Of course Amy was victimized by Casey. I am wondering if Amy is entitled to more than seeing Casey convicted and being compensated dollar for dollar. Does anyone know if Amy could sue Casey for pain and suffering, and thereby also force her to expose her financial assets.

I've been wondering the same! Just as with a rape victim, Amy's life will never be the same. She may never be able to trust another person fully. Her innocence is lost. Deep betrayal is difficult to process and overcome.

I think she should absolutely sue for pain and suffering and I don't know how or when that could happen -- sure would like to know. Thanks for bringing that up. :wub:

[Sun]

Just how many years can they drag this out? I can't believe that Casey is at all happy about spending her days in jail. Somehow she doesn't strike me as the complacent, non-complaining type. She has to miss the party scene and the endless guys to hook up with. Not to mention her cell phone and her freedom.

I don't think Casey is happy in jail either, and is probably very frustrated with the media and that the public still don't believe her. She probably thinks that the food is unhealthy (and it probably is). She can only shower every two days, and this just has to be irritating her. And, she has to wear the jail blues every single day.

No cell phone. No texting. No PC. No friends to con. Just Baez. HaHaHa

[Jester]

I've been wondering the same! Just as with a rape victim, Amy's life will never be the same. She may never be able to trust another person fully. Her innocence is lost. Deep betrayal is difficult to process and overcome.

I think she should absolutely sue for pain and suffering and I don't know how or when that could happen -- sure would like to know. Thanks for bringing that up. :wub:

I would agree. Not only has she lost her trust in human nature, but I would think that while she was in the middle of buying a new car, changing apartments, and taking a short vacation she was not in a position to suddenly be bankrupt. I'm sure there was a domino effect from Casey's theft. That is, car payments could have been delayed, rent checks could have bounced. There could have been all sorts of financial consequences from an empty bank account. If car and rent checks are bouncing, her reputation is compromised and more.

I'm hoping that Amy can sue for pain and suffering and that, as a result, Casey will have to provide full financial disclosure. If she can add a slander allegation to that (when Cindy suggested Amy was Zanny and Casey didn't object) then maybe Amy could wipe out Casey's defense team funds prior to the trial.

[Pam1569]

Ok I see that now. The bank was also recompensed. Attachment D.

I still hope the judge disagrees with them and either takes it to trial or she pleads guilty.

I know she's doing the time but I'd like to see "convicted" on the record and I don't see why Lyon needs to be involved in that trial.

It's like bringing a machine gun to a water pistol contest. IMO

GM all :smile:

Hi bchand, I do believe that A Lyon is inserting herself in the check forgery charges because if OC is convicted of this crime prior to the Capital case than it can be used in the Capital case. jmo

Part 5 1a
(5) AGGRAVATING CIRCUMSTANCES.--Aggravating circumstances shall be limited to the following:

1(a) The capital felony was committed by a person previously convicted of a felony and under sentence of imprisonment or placed on community control or on felony probation.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0921/Sec141.HTM

[Lavinia]

Iceberg!! I used to love crab. Now every time I eat it I think of the A's at the Ritz. It's not as good as it used to be...for some reason.


imo

:laugh: The Ritz needs to sue the A's for sullying their reputation. They will be forever twinned with the A's debacle to me.

[Sun]

well Jose said this-

Baez says that by this time next year the trial should be over.


http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/anthony_case/071609one_on_one_jose_baez

(I've been posting some links on the links thread)

Caution. Just because Baez says something, doesn't mean that it means anything.

[happygert]

I would agree. Not only has she lost her trust in human nature, but I would think that while she was in the middle of buying a new car, changing apartments, and taking a short vacation she was not in a position to suddenly be bankrupt. I'm sure there was a domino effect from Casey's theft. That is, car payments could have been delayed, rent checks could have bounced. There could have been all sorts of financial consequences from an empty bank account. If car and rent checks are bouncing, her reputation is compromised and more.

I'm hoping that Amy can sue for pain and suffering and that, as a result, Casey will have to provide full financial disclosure. If she can add a slander allegation to that (when Cindy suggested Amy was Zanny and Casey didn't object) then maybe Amy could wipe out Casey's defense team funds prior to the trial.

Now Jester that would be justice.. clean casey's funds out and see how she likes it.. but one difference would be If Amy can do it .. it would be legal.. no recouping for casey..

[bchand]

<<<snipped>>> hehe.

ETA again. Oh Geez, never mind. I get it. I get it.

Oh summer thats was so funny watching you being amused by that.

lol

[bchand]

:laugh: The Ritz needs to sue the A's for sullying their reputation. They will be forever twinned with the A's debacle to me.

At the very least, they probably had to take crab puffs off the menu.

:wink:

[summer]

I would agree. Not only has she lost her trust in human nature, but I would think that while she was in the middle of buying a new car, changing apartments, and taking a short vacation she was not in a position to suddenly be bankrupt. I'm sure there was a domino effect from Casey's theft. That is, car payments could have been delayed, rent checks could have bounced. There could have been all sorts of financial consequences from an empty bank account. If car and rent checks are bouncing, her reputation is compromised and more.

I'm hoping that Amy can sue for pain and suffering and that, as a result, Casey will have to provide full financial disclosure. If she can add a slander allegation to that (when Cindy suggested Amy was Zanny and Casey didn't object) then maybe Amy could wipe out Casey's defense team funds prior to the trial.

Interesting. I hadn't even thought about the hit to Amy's credit standing. That isn't erased overnight. I wouldn't be at all surprised if she didn't bounce some checks. Also, Casey really made her scramble, didn't she. Amy was nearly homeless for a while there due to no fault of her own. She seems like a pretty organized and responsible young woman.

It's awful what happened to her. Just awful. Bet her parents are hopping mad.

And most definitely slander too. IIRC Cindy told the FBI that Zanny could be Jesse or Amy. OMG how idiotic does that sound. That statement never fails to amaze me. And I'm pretty sure she said it with a straight face.

[damienstoy]

I've been wondering the same! Just as with a rape victim, Amy's life will never be the same. She may never be able to trust another person fully. Her innocence is lost. Deep betrayal is difficult to process and overcome.

I think she should absolutely sue for pain and suffering and I don't know how or when that could happen -- sure would like to know. Thanks for bringing that up. :wub:

I agree... when I was so very ill, a friend offered to help me with my bills and things. Turned out, she was also paying her own from my account - to the tune of around 12,000!

Yes, the bank gave me my money back, but I'll never trust anyone that much again.

[Bala]

If Baez is to busy to handle the fraud case could the court not appoint another public defender to handle just the fraud charges? Why do the two cases have to be connected? She has a civil attorney to handle the civil case separate from the murder trial.

[summer]

Oh summer thats was so funny watching you being amused by that.

lol

hehe, and I kept writing it over and over again like that would change the outcome.

What's the definition of insanity again? :laugh:

[summer]

:laugh: The Ritz needs to sue the A's for sullying their reputation. They will be forever twinned with the A's debacle to me.

The Ritz, Febreze, NYPD Blue ("reaching out" / Sipowitz) and more than I can think of right now!!!)

[summer]

I agree... when I was so very ill, a friend offered to help me with my bills and things. Turned out, she was also paying her own from my account - to the tune of around 12,000!

Yes, the bank gave me my money back, but I'll never trust anyone that much again.

Once trust is shattered that's it. It can be something seemingly small or something large but the loss of basic trust -- and also the loss of faith in yourself and your ability to read people, is devastating.

Self-confidence comes in part from your ability to walk through life and make decisions based on good instinct. Once you're screwed over you doubt yourself again and again.

So sorry that happened to you!

Over and out for now....... :seeya:

[Sun]

I was merely pointing out that it is not up to Amy and its not up to Casey. Nor is it decided on the basis of what you want or what I want. The court will make the decision. I for one will be fine with the decision. It is AL's job to point bring certain facts to the court's attention that may have bearing on the decision. To imput certain feelings to her in making her argument is unfair.

I dare say that whether the case is tried now or later is not going to make you feel any better about the Anthonys.

Judge Strickland's overriding duty is to insure that Casey gets a fair trial especially in a capital murder case. If that means that the check charges have to wait sobeit. JMO

Hi Lapis, Always great to hear your expert opinions!

I'm guessing that a conviction on the 13 counts for the check/fraud case will probably mean no change in Casey's living accommodations. I do think that the State is within their rights to ask that Judge Strickland set a trial date for these charges... and hope that his ruling is fair. I'm not buying all of the things in AL's motion, but am open to see what Judge Strickland thinks.

[bchand]

GM all :smile:

Hi bchand, I do believe that A Lyon is inserting herself in the check forgery charges because if OC is convicted of this crime prior to the Capital case than it can be used in the Capital case. jmo

Part 5 1a
(5) AGGRAVATING CIRCUMSTANCES.--Aggravating circumstances shall be limited to the following:

1(a) The capital felony was committed by a person previously convicted of a felony and under sentence of imprisonment or placed on community control or on felony probation.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0921/Sec141.HTM


Hi Pam - You're absolutely right and may be why the prosecution DOES want to move forward with it.

[really3997]

I am not a lawyer, but I think pain and suffering is only on injury cases. Amy can sue to be made whole. I think punitive damages might be play a part in this case. I am sure Lapis well let us know

[Sun]

GM all :smile:

Hi bchand, I do believe that A Lyon is inserting herself in the check forgery charges because if OC is convicted of this crime prior to the Capital case than it can be used in the Capital case. jmo

Part 5 1a
(5) AGGRAVATING CIRCUMSTANCES.--Aggravating circumstances shall be limited to the following:

1(a) The capital felony was committed by a person previously convicted of a felony and under sentence of imprisonment or placed on community control or on felony probation.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0921/Sec141.HTM

Very good point. ...when I think about watching Casey forge/spend/cash Amy's checks, I don't have any sympathy for her. She is a thief. Amy had her best friend steal lots of money from her, and Amy didn't really have money to spare.

[Bala]

I have a question. If Padilla signs a privacy agreement in a "missing" child case does that agree become null and void when it turns into a murder case?

[101Spots]

So true. It's like watching a bad game show called "The Lawyer Games" hosted by Wink Martindale. No one ever wins.

Not true. The lawyers win. No matter who loses, the lawyers always win.

[KatieLady]

I have a question. If Padilla signs a privacy agreement in a "missing" child case does that agree become null and void when it turns into a murder case?

Great question Bala. I don't know the answer but you sure would think so IMO

[Sun]

I have a question. If Padilla signs a privacy agreement in a "missing" child case does that agree become null and void when it turns into a murder case?

I am hoping that one of the media will publish the "privacy agreement" so we can all read and discuss what it contains.

[Lavinia]

At the very least, they probably had to take crab puffs off the menu.

:wink:

They just shouldn't replace it with water and gum. :blink:

[Lavinia]

The Ritz, Febreze, NYPD Blue ("reaching out" / Sipowitz) and more than I can think of right now!!!)

"Hearts" gets it for me. Any heart. :crying:

[toadii]

In the motion AL states BOA has been reimbursed, and she attaches a letter from BOA. At this point we don't know who paid BOA. JMO

I would love to know who paid BOA.

Maybe Cindy :scared:

She could have started with the $140-$200 that she stole from Casey's wallet and George could have chipped in some from those early donations jars since no one knew how much he was collecting anyway.
Kind of like laundering ill gotten gains in a backwards sort of way.

[marshmallow]

In the motion AL states BOA has been reimbursed, and she attaches a letter from BOA. At this point we don't know who paid BOA. JMO

as an atty. don't you feel this somewhat trivializes the crime. I understand the defense's need to not have this tried so that it isn't a "prior" that counts toward the DP but this is a crime and Amy is a victim. They don't care why or what, they just want to benefit the criminal, in this case Casey.

If all criminals are allowed to pay off the $ stolen and avoid facing the consequences of their actions why bother with the whole idea of a penalty or a trial for this type of crime?

why are Casey's rights be more important Amy's? that seems backwards to me.

[apothecary]

I would love to know who paid BOA.

Maybe Cindy :scared:

She could have started with the $140-$200 that she stole from Casey's wallet and George could have chipped in some from those early donations jars since no one knew how much he was collecting anyway.
Kind of like laundering ill gotten gains in a backwards sort of way.
I do not have a link for this and nothing to support it,but I read on one of the forums that some gas guy or car cleaning guy saw many bills under the mat of the truck that George was driving early in this case.He said there was a lot of money there.This was when George was collecting donations in a jar.Lot's of cash can be collected this way and not traced.Again this is not proven,just something I read early on.

[Postergeist]

"Hearts" gets it for me. Any heart. :crying:

add to that- every time I've used duct tape- when I bag up trash and yard waste and think what kind of evil creature could put another human being in a garbage bag?!

:sad:

[Jester]

Now Jester that would be justice.. clean casey's funds out and see how she likes it.. but one difference would be If Amy can do it .. it would be legal.. no recouping for casey..

I would love to see it happen ... and I hope that Amy is mad enough to push this one to the limit.

[Jester]

Interesting. I hadn't even thought about the hit to Amy's credit standing. That isn't erased overnight. I wouldn't be at all surprised if she didn't bounce some checks. Also, Casey really made her scramble, didn't she. Amy was nearly homeless for a while there due to no fault of her own. She seems like a pretty organized and responsible young woman.

It's awful what happened to her. Just awful. Bet her parents are hopping mad.

And most definitely slander too. IIRC Cindy told the FBI that Zanny could be Jesse or Amy. OMG how idiotic does that sound. That statement never fails to amaze me. And I'm pretty sure she said it with a straight face.

There's certainly plenty of documentation indicating that Amy fully believed that she was moving in with Casey, and was then left with no where to live. I wonder if this is part of the reason why Amy wants this pushed through ASAP. If she can get the conviction prior to the murder trial, while Casey's bank account appears to be full, she gets first dibs on any money Casey has.

[Bala]

Isn't it illegal to pay off a crime victim in an on going criminal case. Wouldn't that be obstruction of justice. Wouldn't Amy have signed some sort of complaint and agreed to prosecute Casey in order for the bank to reimburse her. Could whoever paid back the bank be charged with obstruction of justice.

[Roux]

Can someone tell me where I can find Lyon's motion? The link on page 1 doesn't work for me and I didn't see anything on Sentinel or WFTV sites. TYIA.

[trich]

as an atty.

why are Casey's rights be more important Amy's? that seems backwards to me.



As I said earlier it always seems that the defendants rights are adhered
to very strickly while someone is always around to try and minimize the victims' rights'.
It is backwards and IMO unconscionable.

[Lapis]

as an atty. don't you feel this somewhat trivializes the crime. I understand the defense's need to not have this tried so that it isn't a "prior" that counts toward the DP but this is a crime and Amy is a victim. They don't care why or what, they just want to benefit the criminal, in this case Casey.

If all criminals are allowed to pay off the $ stolen and avoid facing the consequences of their actions why bother with the whole idea of a penalty or a trial for this type of crime?

why are Casey's rights be more important Amy's? that seems backwards to me.

I am not arguing that she should not be tried for the crime, nor is AL. The question is what order the cases should be tried. The most important case in the legal heirarchy is a capital crime. The stakes do not get any higher. Next comes criminal charges because someone's freedom is at stake. Last on the totem pole are civil cases since the only thing at stake is money. The law sees every case as important but there are limited resources and only so many judges. So there has to be a ranking (for lack of a better word) of the cases. I think you all would be surprised as to how many cases are filed in each county in this country on an annual basis.

The court really does start from the premise of innocence. Its not just lip service. Those arguing that Amy's rights should trump Casey's are starting from the premise of guilt. Casey has rights as does Amy. The court engages in a balancing act. On one side of the scale is a person (presumed innocent) facing the death penalty, a second criminal case and a civil trial. On the other is a person who is going on with her life, who suffered financial loss for which she has been reimbursed (if she had not been and was continuing to suffer financial consequences it might be viewed differently). How do you weigh their respective rights?

What harm is done to Amy if the case is adjudicated after the murder trial? What harm is done to Casey if the time and attention of her attorneys are deflected from the murder trial?

Remember Casey's right is a constitutional one where Amy's is conferred by state law.

The system is about justice not vengence.

I am confident that Judge Strickland will balance the competing rights of the parties and make the right decision.

JMO

[Scampi]

:confused:

TES motion filed by defense in January:
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Amended%20Application%20for%20Subpoena%20Duces%20T ecum.pdf

TES motion filed by defense yesterday:
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/MILLERDOC.pdf

January motion denied:
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/013009Casey_Anthonys_attorneys_can_see_crime_scene
In denying the request to allow the defense team to have access to the records of Equusearch a private search group from Texas, the judge said that not only does the court not have jurisdiction but that the defense’s assertion that the non-profit search group was somehow an agent of the state because they worked closely with the Orange County Sheriffs Department did have enough evidence to prove their allegation.

You can really see the difference in the quality of these two motions. One by baez and the newer one, obviously written by Andrea Lyon and references points of law.

[Bala]

I am not arguing that she should not be tried for the crime, nor is AL. The question is what order the cases should be tried. The most important case in the legal heirarchy is a capital crime. The stakes do not get any higher. Next comes criminal charges because someone's freedom is at stake. Last on the totem pole are civil cases since the only thing at stake is money. The law sees every case as important but there are limited resources and only so many judges. So there has to be a ranking (for lack of a better word) of the cases. I think you all would be surprised as to how many cases are filed in each county in this country on an annual basis.

The court really does start from the premise of innocence. Its not just lip service. Those arguing that Amy's rights should trump Casey's are starting from the premise of guilt. Casey has rights as does Amy. The court engages in a balancing act. On one side of the scale is a person (presumed innocent) facing the death penalty, a second criminal case and a civil trial. On the other is a person who is going on with her life, who suffered financial loss for which she has been reimbursed (if she had not been and was continuing to suffer financial consequences it might be viewed differently). How do you weigh their respective rights?

What harm is done to Amy if the case is adjudicated after the murder trial? What harm is done to Casey if the time and attention of her attorneys are deflected from the murder trial?

Remember Casey's right is a constitutional one where Amy's is conferred by state law.

The system is about justice not vengence.

I am confident that Judge Strickland will balance the competing rights of the parties and make the right decision.

JMO

I understand what your saying but this brings me back to the question Could the judge not appoint another public defender to handle the fraud charges just like Casey has another lawyer to handle the civil suit.

[Lapis]

I understand what your saying but this brings me back to the question Could the judge not appoint another public defender to handle the fraud charges just like Casey has another lawyer to handle the civil suit.

The simple answer is no. If you had counsel that you have hired and have faith in should you be required to accept different counsel? JMO

[bchand]

Can someone tell me where I can find Lyon's motion? The link on page 1 doesn't work for me and I didn't see anything on Sentinel or WFTV sites. TYIA.

This is in response to the state's motion to schedule the check fraud trial.

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/RESPONSEDOC.pdf

This is about Lenny and his "group":

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/PADILLADOC.pdf

This is about Tim Miller's paperwork:

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/MILLERDOC.pdf

[Roux]

This is in response to the state's motion to schedule the check fraud trial.

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/RESPONSEDOC.pdf

This is about Lenny and his "group":

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/PADILLADOC.pdf

This is about Tim Miller's paperwork:

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/MILLERDOC.pdf

thanks very much! Altho I know it will make me :cursing: I want to see what Andrea has to say.

[toadii]

I do not have a link for this and nothing to support it,but I read on one of the forums that some gas guy or car cleaning guy saw many bills under the mat of the truck that George was driving early in this case.He said there was a lot of money there.This was when George was collecting donations in a jar.Lot's of cash can be collected this way and not traced.Again this is not proven,just something I read early on.

Those were the days for George...

Away from Cindy's histronics, killing time hanging around like he was accustomed to doing for most of his adult life, chatting to the sympathetic public using his broad gestures, shoulder shrugs and facial animations.

Money for nothing and his gas (around $4.00 gal last year) for free.

I would never kick a dog when its down, :ohmy: or any other time, but George knew that his grand daughter was deceased.
He went with the flow, passively idling around town, (pulling a Milstead billboard with mis-information easily correctible with a sharpie) collecting donations as if they were actively looking for her.

Maybe not against the law, but wrong just the same.

It would have cost Cindy and George absolutely nothing to make an impassioned plea to the kidnapping nanny and they never did.
They knew they didn't have to.

[Lapis]

Question...If someone is paying for this and KC claims indigent and the attorney's have to take reduced fee's because the state is paying...what is there in place that would prevent someone paying them and getting paid from the state also???

The loss of their law license. When they submit the bills they have to swear that they have not be recompensed from any other source. Additonally, if someone else is paying why risk the state saying no to your requests for funds. JMO

[bchand]

thanks very much! Altho I know it will make me :cursing: I want to see what Andrea has to say.

lol they're not so bad Roux. At least we know where Lyon stands and she doesn't let Casey add any handwritten addendums.

[Postergeist]

Those were the days for George...

Away from Cindy's histronics, killing time hanging around like he was accustomed to doing for most of his adult life, chatting to the sympathetic public using his broad gestures, shoulder shrugs and facial animations.

Money for nothing and his gas (around $4.00 gal last year) for free.

<snipped>

lol- well you could say you worked 2 songs into that-

first one- "those were the days my friend I thought they'd never end, we'd sing and dance forever and a day..."

and then of course you're second tune by Dire Straits (yeah that's the way ya do it) :thumbup:


Wouldn't it be something if Casey did something nice from her jail cell for a child- like these prisoners are doing-

http://www.wafb.com/Global/story.asp?S=10740662&nav=menu57_2

Prisoners donate money for child's surgery


They started collecting cash from almost every inmate and any amount would do. "This is a moment that God is reaching out for us to touch somebody else's life," Hicks said. Together, they raised about $5,000, almost all of it within a day. "I never thought I'd get a call from the Louisiana State Penitentiary," said Teosha Moore, Trinity's mom. Angola's prison radio station spread the word, telling inmates Trinity's tale. They responded without hesitation.

[CelticDawn]

"Hearts" gets it for me. Any heart. :crying:


Heart stickers are a constant reminder....My daughter uses them alot...

there was an article yesterday on MSN that said "Absolutely" is one of the most overused abused misused...etc words in the language...


What really gets me is being out and about and seeing little girls that are Caylees age.It REALLY almost did me in when my sons Birthday party was being booked....and there was a three year old girl's party being booked for three days later...Caylees Birthday........My GOD....It just hit me like somebody kicked me in the stomach.

[Sun]

Hot off the presses!!! Go Channel 9!

DELAY TRIAL: Casey's Reponse
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20090130/detail.html

DELAY TRIAL: Exhibits
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20090214/detail.html

DELAY TRIAL: Privacy Agreement
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20089919/detail.html

DELAY TRIAL: Memorandum
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20090011/detail.html

Article:
http://www.wftv.com/news/20079504/detail.html

[Lapis]

That's a great question and I don't know the answer. But let me add to the question for our legal eagles.............

Is it an all or nothing thing? If the defendant claims to be indigent and the state then pays the reduced fees, is that all she rote? Let's say that the defense has an expert witness that they really, really want to put on the stand but they charge twenty thousand bucks and the state payment is five thousand. Or let's say there is one attorney on the team (why she gets a whole gaggle of attorneys is beyond me) that won't accept the state rate.

Can private funds from unknown (to us anyway) sources be used for cherry picked services or witnesses? Or is it all or nothing. You want state funds and have to use them across the board. Anything above the approved rate must be pro bono.

Oh, and another thing. If an attorney or witness accepts the state rate and provides the balance as "pro bono", can they write off the difference on their taxes?

Thanks for listening. Be well.


Its my understanding that you either accept the state rate or make your motion to walk. (Which is not the best motion to be making).

I do not know the answer to your tax question as I do not take a deduction for my pro bono work as IMO it wouldn't really be pro bono.

JMO

[Neffy]

I would love to know who paid BOA.

Maybe Cindy :scared:

She could have started with the $140-$200 that she stole from Casey's wallet and George could have chipped in some from those early donations jars since no one knew how much he was collecting anyway.
Kind of like laundering ill gotten gains in a backwards sort of way.

I have no doubt it was Cindy. Clean up on aisle 4 (again).

[bchand]

Hot off the presses!!! Go Channel 9!

DELAY TRIAL: Casey's Reponse
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20090130/detail.html

DELAY TRIAL: Exhibits
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20090214/detail.html

DELAY TRIAL: Privacy Agreement
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20089919/detail.html

DELAY TRIAL: Memorandum
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20090011/detail.html

Article:
http://www.wftv.com/news/20079504/detail.html



So it seems Jose paid off BOA. Wonder where this money comes from? He never paid Dominic Casey yet did he?

[Lavinia]

The simple answer is no. If you had counsel that you have hired and have faith in should you be required to accept different counsel? JMO

I don't know. As a beggar I haven't been able to be a chooser at a lot of what I WANT.

[Sun]

Ha!!!!

Payment was received by BOA in the form of a Money Order on July 10, 2009, from Baez's Law Firm.

I don't know about the law, but it seems to me when a payment is made like this, it tends to tell me that someone is not exactly proclaiming their innocence.

Something seems so very wrong, when the "charged but not yet tried or convicted" reimburses the victim of the crime for which they were charged. Yet, attempts to delay the legal proceedings for such crime, with not only a "not guilty" plea, but the excuse that they would have to request a COV in order to receive a fair trial.

Hey Judge!!! We know we did it, we paid everyone back, but we want you to hold off on trying us for the crime cause....we are too busy with other matters. Yes, we did it, but we are going to try to beat the charges with delays and more delays, and more demands. Shucks, maybe the court will just forget the whole thing in the end.

Ok, I'm off to sit in the corner now... RANT OFF. I'll not say another word about it.

[cassidy]

So it seems Jose paid off BOA. Wonder where this money comes from? He never paid Dominic Casey yet did he?

Just like everything else in Casey's life. Someone else will fix it all up for her. AL is at her service to fix the absense of Caylee.

[Lavinia]

Heart stickers are a constant reminder....My daughter uses them alot...

there was an article yesterday on MSN that said "Absolutely" is one of the most overused abused misused...etc words in the language...


What really gets me is being out and about and seeing little girls that are Caylees age.It REALLY almost did me in when my sons Birthday party was being booked....and there was a three year old girl's party being booked for three days later...Caylees Birthday........My GOD....It just hit me like somebody kicked me in the stomach.

I saw that Dawn. It was on CNN also. I was going to write an opinion but they were only doing video opinions and I haven't gotten that brave yet, lol.

[5boxersmom]

Ha!!!!

Payment was received by BOA in the form of a Money Order on July 10, 2009, from Baez's Law Firm.

I don't know about the law, but it seems to me when a payment is made like this, it tends to tell me that someone is not exactly proclaiming their innocence.

Something seems so very wrong, when the "charged but not yet tried or convicted" reimburses the victim of the crime for which they were charged. Yet, attempts to delay the legal proceedings for such crime, with not only a "not guilty" plea, but the excuse that they would have to request a COV in order to receive a fair trial.

Hey Judge!!! We know we did it, we paid everyone back, but we want you to hold off on trying us for the crime cause....we are too busy with other matters. Yes, we did it, but we are going to try to beat the charges with delays and more delays, and more demands. Shucks, maybe the court will just forget the whole thing in the end.

Ok, I'm off to sit in the corner now... RANT OFF. I'll not say another word about it.

So true. How can they say she is innocent when they paid BOA back the money?

hmmmm

jmo

[cassidy]

Ha!!!!

Payment was received by BOA in the form of a Money Order on July 10, 2009, from Baez's Law Firm.

I don't know about the law, but it seems to me when a payment is made like this, it tends to tell me that someone is not exactly proclaiming their innocence.

Something seems so very wrong, when the "charged but not yet tried or convicted" reimburses the victim of the crime for which they were charged. Yet, attempts to delay the legal proceedings for such crime, with not only a "not guilty" plea, but the excuse that they would have to request a COV in order to receive a fair trial.

Hey Judge!!! We know we did it, we paid everyone back, but we want you to hold off on trying us for the crime cause....we are too busy with other matters. Yes, we did it, but we are going to try to beat the charges with delays and more delays, and more demands. Shucks, maybe the court will just forget the whole thing in the end.

Ok, I'm off to sit in the corner now... RANT OFF. I'll not say another word about it.



I'm going to sit in that corner with you or else keep ranting. There is something intrisically wrong with the way this was handled. July 10 2009???????? It's so totally obvious what is going on. I hope the judge see that.

[101Spots]

That's a great question and I don't know the answer. But let me add to the question for our legal eagles.............

Is it an all or nothing thing? If the defendant claims to be indigent and the state then pays the reduced fees, is that all she rote? Let's say that the defense has an expert witness that they really, really want to put on the stand but they charge twenty thousand bucks and the state payment is five thousand. Or let's say there is one attorney on the team (why she gets a whole gaggle of attorneys is beyond me) that won't accept the state rate.

Can private funds from unknown (to us anyway) sources be used for cherry picked services or witnesses? Or is it all or nothing. You want state funds and have to use them across the board. Anything above the approved rate must be pro bono.

Oh, and another thing. If an attorney or witness accepts the state rate and provides the balance as "pro bono", can they write off the difference on their taxes?

Thanks for listening. Be well.

No, they cannot. No more than you can write off your time for working the hot dog booth at your child's soccer game.

[bchand]

So true. How can they say she is innocent when they paid BOA back the money?

hmmmm

jmo

Absolutely not. BOA states in their letter that it does not accept this payment in lieu of criminal prosecution.

Interesting that this money order was only received on July 10, 2009.

As someone else just said - ok, we know she's guilty and this shows THEY know she's guilty.


eta: What a distinct difference in these motions compared to those we're used to seeing from Baez.

[101Spots]

So true. How can they say she is innocent when they paid BOA back the money?

hmmmm

jmo

The payback makes it all better, donchaknow? :rolleyes:

[toadii]

Please enlightened me.
The crimes committed within a state are crimes against the state.
The DA office represents the state and the victim, Amy, will hopefully benefit from that.
Since Amy has been compensated for her monitary loss, there is no sense of urgency type factor that could influence a court calendar.
No further damage/loss occurs in waiting to adjudicate.
When I consider it from this angle,while totally sympathetic with Amy, I am reminded of what I used to tell my minor children when they objected to one of my decrees "I will consider your opinion, but you don't get a vote".

The state is pressing for the trying of these crimes which makes me think that it pretains to Casey's behavior during those 31 ugly coping days and admissability of evidence. Pole dancing at Fusian and running up Tone's bar tab alone would not be as compelling to a jury as illustrating how Casey went on a crime spree. TIA

[Julie Dupree]

In the Privacy Agreement---what does this statement mean???

"This Agreement does not create a relationship in so far as that the Parties of the Second Part are in no way hired by or represent the Firm or the Defendant."

Julie

[bchand]

In the Privacy Agreement---what does this statement mean???

"This Agreement does not create a relationship in so far as that the Parties of the Second Part are in no way hired by or represent the Firm or the Defendant."

Julie

No idea here but they're identified as "agents of the firm".

I still do not understand why, if this document is authentic, Baez had never filed this motion when Lenny was seen nightly on all the tv shows.

The barn door has long been opened now.

[seeing_eye]

I couldn't have said it better.
I am so sick of hearing about defendants rights while victims rights seem to be pushed aside.
A victim deserves justice ...why do defense attorneys make it seem like
that is wrong and the defendant is the victim .
Twisted is what I call it.
Considering they have Casey on video spending Amy's money ...it seems to me it would be in her best interest to admit to her theivery and fraud and get that over with.

While I agree that, IMO, Casey would be much better off if she would just plead guilty to the fraud charges (FGS, she's caught on video!!), her rights are not the only ones being considered. The State of Florida is fighting for Amy's rights. Also I don't recall reading anywhere where Amy has stated her preference about wanting (or not) a speedy trial. I don't think it's up to her. I think it's up to the prosecutors of the case. JMO

[101Spots]

In the Privacy Agreement---what does this statement mean???

"This Agreement does not create a relationship in so far as that the Parties of the Second Part are in no way hired by or represent the Firm or the Defendant."

Julie

It means Jo$e wants it both ways.

Have cake, eat cake.

I win, you lose.

Covering his considerable a$$.

I'm not paying you, but I own you.


Disclaimer: Actual legal professionals may disagree with my interpretation.

[Bala]

I'm going to sit in that corner with you or else keep ranting. There is something intrisically wrong with the way this was handled. July 10 2009???????? It's so totally obvious what is going on. I hope the judge see that.

Is it even legal for Jose to give BOA money? Doesn't it make Casey look even more guilty or is she getting ready to plead guilty and say but I paid them back. How is it that she paid them when she has no money? Somehow I don't think Jose is paying them out of his own pocket.

[AMS]

[QUOTE=Sun;13289841]Hot off the presses!!! Go Channel 9!

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DELAY TRIAL: Privacy Agreement
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20089919/detail.html

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Thanks Sun. If you read the 7 points in the privacy agreement, it does not state that Lennie and group can not talk about what they saw or heard. Does it?

Or is it the following statement that means that Lennie has to keep quiet? "The relationship created by this document in a unique one, and any questions regarding the propritey of any actions not covered by this agreement will be resolved in favor of protecting the Defendant's right against self-incrimination."

imo

[Neffy]

In the Privacy Agreement---what does this statement mean???

"This Agreement does not create a relationship in so far as that the Parties of the Second Part are in no way hired by or represent the Firm or the Defendant."

Julie

It means they got nothing. It reads to me that Jose was covering his arse not to be gone after by the Padilla group to be paid as being employed by them. He's trying to make it something it's not in this court filing. Huge waste.

[Lapis]

What do you make of this quote?

"Additionally, the judge said that he wants an affidavit from Amy Huizenga showing she wants to invoke her right to a speedy trial in the check fraud case that the prosecution wants to move forward on."

I think the judge is trying to insure that it is Amy asserting her rights and not the state attempting to gain a tactical advantage. I do not in any way believe that this is telegraphing the way he will ultimately rule. JMO

[Lapis]

Please enlightened me.
The crimes committed within a state are crimes against the state.
The DA office represents the state and the victim, Amy, will hopefully benefit from that.
Since Amy has been compensated for her monitary loss, there is no sense of urgency type factor that could influence a court calendar.
No further damage/loss occurs in waiting to adjudicate.
When I consider it from this angle,while totally sympathetic with Amy, I am reminded of what I used to tell my minor children when they objected to one of my decrees "I will consider your opinion, but you don't get a vote".

The state is pressing for the trying of these crimes which makes me think that it pretains to Casey's behavior during those 31 ugly coping days and admissability of evidence. Pole dancing at Fusian and running up Tone's bar tab alone would not be as compelling to a jury as illustrating how Casey went on a crime spree. TIA

Doesn't appear to me that you need any further enlightenment. That is the argument being advanced. AL in her brief cites case law which supports this argument. The state gets no credit for doing the right thing for the wrong reasons. BTW I love your child rearing philosophy.

JMO

[toadii]

While I agree that, IMO, Casey would be much better off if she would just plead guilty to the fraud charges (FGS, she's caught on video!!), her rights are not the only ones being considered. The State of Florida is fighting for Amy's rights. Also I don't recall reading anywhere where Amy has stated her preference about wanting (or not) a speedy trial. I don't think it's up to her. I think it's up to the prosecutors of the case. JMO

And this is where I get confused. It appears in FL the victim does get to at least summit a vote (petition) towards a speedy trial, which makes it appear that she has legal standing separate from the state.

No matter how confused I get, I just want Judge Strickland to make the wisest choices which will leave no grounds for successful appeal.

[Lavinia]

No, they cannot. No more than you can write off your time for working the hot dog booth at your child's soccer game.

Uh oh. :blushing: :laugh:

[Lapis]

In the Privacy Agreement---what does this statement mean???

"This Agreement does not create a relationship in so far as that the Parties of the Second Part are in no way hired by or represent the Firm or the Defendant."

Julie


Translation: You are not being compensated by the law firm. JMO

[Lapis]

No idea here but they're identified as "agents of the firm".

I still do not understand why, if this document is authentic, Baez had never filed this motion when Lenny was seen nightly on all the tv shows.

The barn door has long been opened now.

All of a sudden you have faith in JB's legal skills. LOL

What was said on TV and what has been said in statements to LE and will be said in a court of law are entirely different things. JMO

[bchand]

All of a sudden you have faith in JB's legal skills. LOL

What was said on TV and what has been said in statements to LE and will be said in a court of law are entirely different things. JMO

Oh no, don't get that thought in your mind. lol My faith in his skills is nil.

I thought it was included in their motion that they didn't want any of them talking to the media?

eta: The 3 conditions pertaining to the Padilla bunch:

1. Preclude them from making statements to the prosecution (little late for that)
2. Preclude them from serving as witnesses for the prosecution.
3. Preclude the release of any statements they made to the prosecution.

SO, they can talk and talk and talk all they want to the media I guess?

[101Spots]

Translation: You are not being compensated by the law firm. JMO

As in "I'm not paying you, but I own you." Bull's-eye!!!

[Lapis]

Is it even legal for Jose to give BOA money? Doesn't it make Casey look even more guilty or is she getting ready to plead guilty and say but I paid them back. How is it that she paid them when she has no money? Somehow I don't think Jose is paying them out of his own pocket.

Suppose the intended defense in this case is that Amy lent me her checkbook and then after this all happened she decided to press charges because the state told her if she pressed charges then they would have leverage to force me to plea to the other charges? or Amy lent me the money but after I was arrested she was afraid that she would not get her money back she pressed charges so that BOA would reimburse the funds?

The payment would then be a repayment of the loan. Since Amy got her money back the money was paid to BOA.

JMO

[Lapis]

Oh no, don't get that thought in your mind. lol My faith in his skills is nil.

I thought it was included in their motion that they didn't want any of them talking to the media?

If I understand correctly they trying to prevent statements already made to LE from being released to the media. If they cannot testify at trial because of priviledge then the statements should not be released as priviledged. JMO

[bchand]

If I understand correctly they trying to prevent statements already made to LE from being released to the media. If they cannot testify at trial because of priviledge then the statements should not be released as priviledged. JMO

Gotcha, thank you.

[5boxersmom]

If I understand correctly they trying to prevent statements already made to LE from being released to the media. If they cannot testify at trial because of priviledge then the statements should not be released as priviledged. JMO

What do you make of the payment to BOA? How will this help Casey in the trial for fraud charges? Will she make a plea deal you think?
jmo

[Julie Dupree]

Translation: You are not being compensated by the law firm. JMO


Thanks Lapis....where in the agreement does it explain that "Parties of the Second Part" have "attorney/client priviledges"...(its times like these I wish I knew more about the law)

Julie

[Lapis]

What do you make of the payment to BOA? How will this help Casey in the trial for fraud charges? Will she make a plea deal you think?
jmo

She may very well do so but not until the murder charges are resolved. or until the court makes a ruling against her on the motion for a speedy trial. JMO

[summer]

I don't see how restitution a year later by someone's attorney carries any weight whatsoever.

It looks pathetic and lame. And sophomoric and idiotic.

What, the court's not going to notice who paid BOA on who's behalf? The same attorney who didn't have $900 for copies of documents pertaining to a murder charge?

Besides, who cares who paid?

Since when does restitution wipe out a crime?

Never heard of that.

Guess if Bernie Madoff could've magically repaid all the people he screwed over a year ago he'd be let off with a slap on the wrist?

No make sense to moi.

[Lapis]

Thanks Lapis....where in the agreement does it explain that "Parties of the Second Part" have "attorney/client priviledges"...(its times like these I wish I knew more about the law)

Julie

I don't believe it uses those words in the agreement but it does not have to. The agreement references her rights to privacy and as agents of the law firm they are bound by attorney client priviledge. JMO

[Julie Dupree]

I don't believe it uses those words in the agreement but it does not have to. The agreement references her rights to privacy and as agents of the law firm they are bound by attorney client priviledge. JMO

Thanks Lapis.....sure glad you are with us.
Julie

[Julie Dupree]

I don't see how restitution a year later by someone's attorney carries any weight whatsoever.

It looks pathetic and lame. And sophomoric and idiotic.

What, the court's not going to notice who paid BOA on who's behalf? The same attorney who didn't have $900 for copies of documents pertaining to a murder charge?

Besides, who cares who paid?

Since when does restitution wipe out a crime?

Never heard of that.

Guess if Bernie Madoff could've magically repaid all the people he screwed over a year ago he'd be let off with a slap on the wrist?

No make sense to moi.

:) Summer, why dont you tell us how you really feel.
My children will tell I did not let their "I am sorry, I wont do that anymore" keep them from getting whatever punshiment they had coming to them. Guess things are different in this case.
Julie

[Bala]

Suppose the intended defense in this case is that Amy lent me her checkbook and then after this all happened she decided to press charges because the state told her if she pressed charges then they would have leverage to force me to plea to the other charges? or Amy lent me the money but after I was arrested she was afraid that she would not get her money back she pressed charges so that BOA would reimburse the funds?

The payment would then be a repayment of the loan. Since Amy got her money back the money was paid to BOA.

JMO

So it's back to blaming the victim. Wouldn't BOA be able to press fraud charges against Amy? And if this is true why not go to court now so to clear Casey's name before the murder charge.

[Lavinia]

Suppose the intended defense in this case is that Amy lent me her checkbook and then after this all happened she decided to press charges because the state told her if she pressed charges then they would have leverage to force me to plea to the other charges? or Amy lent me the money but after I was arrested she was afraid that she would not get her money back she pressed charges so that BOA would reimburse the funds?

The payment would then be a repayment of the loan. Since Amy got her money back the money was paid to BOA.

JMO
I would say Amy's pretty smart. :laugh:

[toadii]

I think the judge is trying to insure that it is Amy asserting her rights and not the state attempting to gain a tactical advantage. I do not in any way believe that this is telegraphing the way he will ultimately rule. JMO

So if Amy asserts her right, this allows the state further its argument that the state wants to do the the right thing for the right reason...the victim wants her rights, Judge, it's as simple as that.

If she is not tried on the check fraud prior to the murder trial, how will the state be able to enter into evidence her behavior after her daughter went missing? This is not a stranger accused of the murder where post crime behaviour would neccessarily be germaine, this is the behaviour of the victim's parent who is responsible for her safety and well being, and never frogging "reached out" to even 911 for help.

Can you tell I really, really want her actions known to the jury?
Of course these actions are prejudical because they are so very wrong and they have her on film doing them, using her ID, and signing her signature to them.

[cassidy]

I don't see how restitution a year later by someone's attorney carries any weight whatsoever.

It looks pathetic and lame. And sophomoric and idiotic.

What, the court's not going to notice who paid BOA on who's behalf? The same attorney who didn't have $900 for copies of documents pertaining to a murder charge?

Besides, who cares who paid?

Since when does restitution wipe out a crime?

Never heard of that.

Guess if Bernie Madoff could've magically repaid all the people he screwed over a year ago he'd be let off with a slap on the wrist?

No make sense to moi.

I am so with you on that! Why didn't Jose pay the bank months ago and avoid all talk of a trial? Why didn't Jose disclose the privacy agreement months ago and shut Lenny up once and for all? Confusion reigns here.

[summer]

:) Summer, why dont you tell us how you really feel.
My children will tell I did not let their "I am sorry, I wont do that anymore" keep them from getting whatever punshiment they had coming to them. Guess things are different in this case.
Julie

Grrrrr.... :mad:

[bchand]

I am so with you on that! Why didn't Jose pay the bank months ago and avoid all talk of a trial? Why didn't Jose disclose the privacy agreement months ago and shut Lenny up once and for all? Confusion reigns here.


By the date the money order was received by the BOA, it shows they ARE working on the check fraud charges, which they said they didn't have time to do.

[Julie Dupree]

Grrrrr.... :mad:

:cursing: I can not say what I am thinking about all of this. You said it very nicely...Thanks.
Julie

[Lapis]

So it's back to blaming the victim. Wouldn't BOA be able to press fraud charges against Amy? And if this is true why not go to court now so to clear Casey's name before the murder charge.

Because the strategy may be for Casey to take the stand in the check fraud case, but then she would be waiving her rights in the murder trial. So by trying the check case first you would be tying her hands and limiting her defense. JMO

[Julie Dupree]

Gotta run....it has been fun. Have a great week end.
Julie

[bchand]

Another thought just popped into my mind.

Remember when we all wondered why Tracy McLaughlin didn't want to talk with LE when they went out to California to interview her until she conferred with an attorney?

Maybe this document she signed with Baez was the reason.


eta: Have a great weekend Julie !!

[Lapis]

So if Amy asserts her right, this allows the state further its argument that the state wants to do the the right thing for the right reason...the victim wants her rights, Judge, it's as simple as that.

If she is not tried on the check fraud prior to the murder trial, how will the state be able to enter into evidence her behavior after her daughter went missing? This is not a stranger accused of the murder where post crime behaviour would neccessarily be germaine, this is the behaviour of the victim's parent who is responsible for her safety and well being, and never frogging "reached out" to even 911 for help.

Can you tell I really, really want her actions known to the jury?
Of course these actions are prejudical because they are so very wrong and they have her on film doing them, using her ID, and signing her signature to them.

First let me state that everything presented by the prosecution is prejudicial to the defendant. That's the point!!!!! LOL

The prosecution can still show the photos of her at Fusion, and in fact shopping. These could argue they show that she was unconcerned about her missing daughter. They could argue that she didn't purchase anything for Caylee. They just would not be able to hint at where the funds for the purchases came from. JMO

[Lapis]

By the date the money order was received by the BOA, it shows they ARE working on the check fraud charges, which they said they didn't have time to do.

Not necessarily. It shows that after the state filed the motion they considered the charges and made the decision that their opposition would be more favorably received if no one is out any funds. JMO

[Bala]

How can the defense say they need to postpone the fraud case because of time. Doesn't Lyon teach 4 days a week and is only available on Fridays. Why doesn't the judge tell her that she has to make the case her #1 priority and take a leave of abstinence from teaching or give up the case. Why should the state suffer or Amy because Baez hired someone with so little time to spend on the case?

[tulpje]

Is it even legal for Jose to give BOA money? Doesn't it make Casey look even more guilty or is she getting ready to plead guilty and say but I paid them back. How is it that she paid them when she has no money? Somehow I don't think Jose is paying them out of his own pocket.



Yes it makes her look guilty, that's so funny.
By paying the BoA back, they admitted she's guilty.

LOL.

[toadii]

I don't see how restitution a year later by someone's attorney carries any weight whatsoever.

It looks pathetic and lame. And sophomoric and idiotic.

What, the court's not going to notice who paid BOA on who's behalf? The same attorney who didn't have $900 for copies of documents pertaining to a murder charge?

Besides, who cares who paid?

Since when does restitution wipe out a crime?

Never heard of that.

Guess if Bernie Madoff could've magically repaid all the people he screwed over a year ago he'd be let off with a slap on the wrist?

No make sense to moi.

One of the reasons that Jose was not admitted to the Fl Bar was because he was a Dead Beat Dad owing child support.

He must have learned to only pay what you owe when you have to in order to get something you want and then act righteous because the debt has been paid. Do the right thing for the wrong reason.

And what would this mean to Cindy who is now one-upped as the avenging long suffering rescuer of Casey, the mother lode of all unconditional love who has always sheilded her daughter from consequences of her behaviour?

[Bala]

Because the strategy may be for Casey to take the stand in the check fraud case, but then she would be waiving her rights in the murder trial. So by trying the check case first you would be tying her hands and limiting her defense. JMO
I don't understand. Are you saying that if she takes the stand in the fraud charges she has to take the stand in the murder trial. I thought the were two separate cases. I didn't realize the were so tied together.

[summer]

How can the defense say they need to postpone the fraud case because of time. Doesn't Lyon teach 4 days a week and is only available on Fridays. Why doesn't the judge tell her that she has to make the case her #1 priority and take a leave of abstinence from teaching or give up the case. Why should the state suffer or Amy because Baez hired someone with so little time to spend on the case?

Because they've already gotten away with that tactic time and time again? They've successfully pushed back the trial to an unknown date because Lyon is a professor. Gee, she forgot she had a commitment to law school before she took the job I guess. Oopsie!

So why not use that reasoning once more?

[summer]

One of the reasons that Jose was not admitted to the Fl Bar was because he was a Dead Beat Dad owing child support.

He must have learned to only pay what you owe when you have to in order to get something you want and then act righteous because the debt has been paid. Do the right thing for the wrong reason.

And what would this mean to Cindy who is now one-upped as the avenging long suffering rescuer of Casey, the mother lode of all unconditional love who has always sheilded her daughter from consequences of her behaviour?

ITA, except I think the money to pay off BOA didn't come from Baez. Oh he wrote the check alright but (and this is just my opinion) I have the feeling the funds came from the Anthony family.

[Lapis]

How can the defense say they need to postpone the fraud case because of time. Doesn't Lyon teach 4 days a week and is only available on Fridays. Why doesn't the judge tell her that she has to make the case her #1 priority and take a leave of abstinence from teaching or give up the case. Why should the state suffer or Amy because Baez hired someone with so little time to spend on the case?

If you will recall the state recently filed their motion of intent to seek the death penalty. What are the chances there was a DP qualified attorney sitting around with nothing to do just waiting for Casey Anthony to come along? Attorneys have other commitments. A year to prepare a DP case is not that unusual. She has a contract with the school to teach. Another attorney may have other older DP cases to prepare. What is the difference?

[Lapis]

I don't understand. Are you saying that if she takes the stand in the fraud charges she has to take the stand in the murder trial. I thought the were two separate cases. I didn't realize the were so tied together.

No, but testimony elicited in the fraud case can be used against her in the murder case. They are tied together in the sense that some of the evidence overlaps and some of the same witnesses may be called. JMO

[Lavinia]

LP is going to be on HLN this hour.

[Scampi]

I am all for the defendent having their rights protected, but I also think the State and the good people of Florida have rights too and this defense team should not be delaying this trial unnecessarily in order to thwart the State's case.

Lyon should be made to give her death penalty client her full attention, imo.

[toadii]

Because the strategy may be for Casey to take the stand in the check fraud case, but then she would be waiving her rights in the murder trial. So by trying the check case first you would be tying her hands and limiting her defense. JMO
That sounds reasonable and a valid agrument, well, if I didn't know anything about the defendent.
So they can simply claim it is a consideration, no commitment, it's a option and one of the defendent's rights?

[seeing_eye]

They just announced they would have an interview with Padilla on Prime News about the Casey Anthony case.

[summer]

I am all for the defendent having their rights protected, but I also think the State and the good people of Florida have rights too and this defense team should not be delaying this trial unnecessarily in order to thwart the State's case.

Lyon should be made to give her death penalty client her full attention, imo.

Hi Scampi. ITA and I do believe law professors are allowed to take leave of absence. Sometimes it's illness, sometimes it's a DP case with massive publicity. *shrug*

[bchand]

They just announced they would have an interview with Padilla on Prime News about the Casey Anthony case.

Thanks to you and Lavinia. This should be interesting.

[Lapis]

That sounds reasonable and a valid agrument, well, if I didn't know anything about the defendent.
So they can simply claim it is a consideration, no commitment, it's a option and one of the defendent's rights?

You are correct.

[bchand]

This should be rich! Cue, Lenny! This interview is bound to be one of the moments he lives for, no doubt! I don't think patience is his strong suit, either - and being told what he can and can't say or do most likely does not sit well with him either. Is that the reason his nephew bonded Casey out, not him? Wondering.

What did he just say? lol

That sentence was so long, I couldn't comprehend it.

[toadii]

First let me state that everything presented by the prosecution is prejudicial to the defendant. That's the point!!!!! LOL

The prosecution can still show the photos of her at Fusion, and in fact shopping. These could argue they show that she was unconcerned about her missing daughter. They could argue that she didn't purchase anything for Caylee. They just would not be able to hint at where the funds for the purchases came from. JMO
:blushing: You are correct of course.

[msgatorslayer]

What did he just say? lol

That sentence was so long, I couldn't comprehend it.

One of those "lenny' words came outta his mouth. Couldn't understand it, lol.

G'evening, everyone!

[summer]

They just announced they would have an interview with Padilla on Prime News about the Casey Anthony case.

I kinda wish he wouldn't do this. It's interesting of course LOL but he's in the cross-hairs and I think it would be better if he kept a low profile. Never happen though. :rolleyes:

[summer]

Does anyone here speak Lenny-ese? I'm not watching and need a translation. :laugh:

[Imperfect4]

Hi folks!

Anyone watching Lenny on HLN? Plus the attorney, Pam Bondi or Biondi or whatever?

Sounds like the defense's contention Lenny was working for Baez and therefore everything that went on with Team Lenny was "work product" is a bunch of doodoo.

:laugh:

[Citygirl]

Hi folks!

Anyone watching Lenny on HLN? Plus the attorney, Pam Bondi or Biondi or whatever?

Sounds like the defense's contention Lenny was working for Baez and therefore everything that went on with Team Lenny was "work product" is a bunch of doodoo.

:laugh:


I was just comin to say this..yep I'm watchin right now..

[Lapis]

Hi folks!

Anyone watching Lenny on HLN? Plus the attorney, Pam Bondi or Biondi or whatever?

Sounds like the defense's contention Lenny was working for Baez and therefore everything that went on with Team Lenny was "work product" is a bunch of doodoo.

:laugh:

I don't know if the argument will fly but I will remind you that Pam is a prosecutor and knows the prosecutors in this case. The only opinion that matters is Judge Strickland. JMO

[bchand]

It was an agreement, rather than a contract according to Lenny.

I think Judge Strickland's going to have to sort this out.

[msgatorslayer]

Does anyone here speak Lenny-ese? I'm not watching and need a translation. :laugh:

:laugh: Lenny-ese!!

We've learned a whole new vocab and language following this case.

[Imperfect4]

I don't know if the argument will fly but I will remind you that Pam is a prosecutor and knows the prosecutors in this case. The only opinion that matters is Judge Strickland. JMO

I said it "sounds like" the defense's latest motion is poop.

If I don't add "imo" to my posts, it's usually because it's obvious I'm stating my opinion, or I simply forgot.

No need to remind me who the Pam person is, nor whose opinion matters in the case.

[Scampi]

From what I gathered LP never worked for baez as an investigator and any excited utterance from the OC will come in as evidence at trial. Per Bondi.

[marshmallow]

No, but testimony elicited in the fraud case can be used against her in the murder case. They are tied together in the sense that some of the evidence overlaps and some of the same witnesses may be called. JMO



I agree with a fair trial for every defendant but I disagree with the putting of the defendant over the victims. I'm glad this trial will play out in the media. If anything it gives people like me, average law abidin g people who work hard and pay taxes, a view into the joke that our legal system has become. It seems more about game playing and underhandedness on both sides than the idea of justice.
A person like Casey can get weaseled out of everything because the defense knows how to play games and fight unfairly. I hope, if anything, this wakes people up to the reality of the system and somehow makes us all remember that at the middle of this all is a dead child, dead by her mother's hands and in life and death this poor child has less rights and less defense than the person who killed her.



adding: just because I responded to Lapis' post, I am not speaking directly at her. I appreciate all the legal explanations given.

[Imperfect4]

From what I gathered LP never worked for baez as an investigator and any excited utterance from the OC will come in as evidence at trial. Per Bondi.

I'd love to know what prompted this latest defense motion in the first place? Why all of a sudden does Team Casey wish to hush up Lenny and his gang? Interesting!

[Bala]

From what I understood Padilla was saying he agreed to not make any money off the case like book deals and movies. Sounds like Baez was protecting his paycheck not worried about Padilla and friends testimony. He says the agree states that he does NOT work for Baez.

[Imperfect4]

I agree with a fair trial for every defendant but I disagree with the putting of the defendant over the victims. I'm glad this trial will play out in the media. If anything it gives people like me, average law abidin g people who work hard and pay taxes, a view into the joke that our legal system has become. It seems more about game playing and underhandedness on both sides than the idea of justice.
A person like Casey can get weaseled out of everything because the defense knows how to play games and fight unfairly. I hope, if anything, this wakes people up to the reality of the system and somehow makes us all remember that at the middle of this all is a dead child, dead by her mother's hands and in life and death this poor child has less rights and less defense than the person who killed her.

<insert standing ovation icon here>

:wub:

[summer]

I've changed my mind about LP being on this show because he has a right to defend himself.

What decent human being would want to be associated with Baez & Co.?

You go, Lenster!

IMO. JMO. MOO. Shout out to Imperfect. :seeya:

[Imperfect4]

I've changed my mind about LP being on this show because he has a right to defend himself.

What decent human being would want to be associated with Baez & Co.?

You go, Lenster!

IMO. JMO. MOO. Shout out to Imperfect. :seeya:

Hiya, my sista!

I've never minded Lenny. I think, in the grand scheme of things, his initial actions in this case (bailing out the odious one and planting a team in and around the House of Anthony) has given us, the unwashed masses, a painful yet somehow necessary bird's eye view of how far off course a family can get when they don't address their own personal issues and dysfunction.

[summer]

Hiya, my sista!

I've never minded Lenny. I think, in the grand scheme of things, his initial actions in this case (bailing out the odious one and planting a team in and around the House of Anthony) has given us, the unwashed masses, a painful yet somehow necessary bird's eye view of how far off course a family can get when they don't address their own personal issues and dysfunction.

I'm still miffed he bailed out the OC.

Very miffed.

hehe. :wub:

[Citygirl]

From what I gathered LP never worked for baez as an investigator and any excited utterance from the OC will come in as evidence at trial. Per Bondi.


Hey sweetheart..this may be the very thing JB is worried about..because he is worried about something..

[seeing_eye]

I'd love to know what prompted this latest defense motion in the first place? Why all of a sudden does Team Casey wish to hush up Lenny and his gang? Interesting!

IMO, team Casey is just now wishing to hush up Lenny and his gang because for the first time there is a capable legal mind on team Casey.

[Citygirl]

I just re-read Anne Rule's "Killing of the Unicorn" about the Diane Downs case and talk about a "whoa" moment.

I suggest anyone interested in the Anthony case read the Downs case or the book.

While the crimes themselves are not similar in terms of motive or method, the overall histronic and narcissistic personality of Downs is a definate "whoa" when it comes to Anthony. (Both Casey and Cindy)


I guess I need to google this case..I can't believe I don't remember much about it..


ETA: OK..I really remember now..had just forgotten her name..she was recently denied parol..

[Imperfect4]

I just re-read Anne Rule's "Killing of the Unicorn" about the Diane Downs case and talk about a "whoa" moment.

I suggest anyone interested in the Anthony case read the Downs case or the book.

While the crimes themselves are not similar in terms of motive or method, the overall histronic and narcissistic personality of Downs is a definate "whoa" when it comes to Anthony. (Both Casey and Cindy)

The malignant narcissism (a new, highly appropriate term I just read recently) of the still-living CMA's can't be underestimated, imo.

[Imperfect4]

I'm still miffed he bailed out the OC.

Very miffed.

hehe. :wub:

I know you are. But the things he showed us, indirectly, by doing that are nothing short of phenomenal. We wouldn't have half the knowledge of this mess we do if the OC hadn't been bailed out only to prove she had no intention of helping find Caylee. We wouldn't know much about Cindy's own personality disorders or how far she was willing to go to be "right." I personally am thrilled to be able to see inside a family that creates a Casey Anthony. I honestly don't think that would've been possible without old Leonard. Just my own opinion.

Plus, the guy just doesn't bug me like he does many others.

[bchand]

I just re-read Anne Rule's "Killing of the Unicorn" about the Diane Downs case and talk about a "whoa" moment.

I suggest anyone interested in the Anthony case read the Downs case or the book.

While the crimes themselves are not similar in terms of motive or method, the overall histronic and narcissistic personality of Downs is a definate "whoa" when it comes to Anthony. (Both Casey and Cindy)

So odd. Why can't I find it at Amazon? I'll check my library site.

Sure it isn't called Small Sacrifices?

[Imperfect4]

IMO, team Casey is just now wishing to hush up Lenny and his gang because for the first time there is a capable legal mind on team Casey.

You could be exactly right. Given this seems to be one of the very first motions Lyon has filed in the case, I have to wonder what it is Lenny and his people could say that Casey's defense team doesn't want them saying.

[apothecary]

I know you are. But the things he showed us, indirectly, by doing that are nothing short of phenomenal. We wouldn't have half the knowledge of this mess we do if the OC hadn't been bailed out only to prove she had no intention of helping find Caylee. We wouldn't know much about Cindy's own personality disorders or how far she was willing to go to be "right." I personally am thrilled to be able to see inside a family that creates a Casey Anthony. I honestly don't think that would've been possible without old Leonard. Just my own opinion.

Plus, the guy just doesn't bug me like he does many others.
I like Lenny and he adds extra colour commentary to this case.I wonder if he knows more about the finances of the family than we do and where the money is coming from.

[Sun]

I'd love to know what prompted this latest defense motion in the first place? Why all of a sudden does Team Casey wish to hush up Lenny and his gang? Interesting!

The State has just this last week released Discovery to the defense. I guess that this Discovery contains interviews by LE/FBI and LP and his group. Lyon is going to object to anything and everything in an effort to defend Casey. Doesn't mean that Judge Strickland will rule in their favor. I fear that Judge Strickland is going to get plenty of exercise in the coming year. Me too.

[gaelicpeas]

I'd love to know what prompted this latest defense motion in the first place? Why all of a sudden does Team Casey wish to hush up Lenny and his gang? Interesting!My apologies if someone has already answered this, but along with the defense motions released, the State also released a lot more discovery to the defense - which apparently includes LE's interviews of Tracy, Lenny's female sidekick. So, I guess the defense wants to block the release of her interview.

[gaelicpeas]

From what I understood Padilla was saying he agreed to not make any money off the case like book deals and movies. Sounds like Baez was protecting his paycheck not worried about Padilla and friends testimony. He says the agree states that he does NOT work for Baez.Yes, and that "agreement" also included a provision that Padilla et al could not suggest to Casey that she get other counsel. Baez wanted to make sure HE was Casey's only attorney and that he alone had guardianship over her "story". All about moolah, IMO.

[summer]

I know you are. But the things he showed us, indirectly, by doing that are nothing short of phenomenal. We wouldn't have half the knowledge of this mess we do if the OC hadn't been bailed out only to prove she had no intention of helping find Caylee. We wouldn't know much about Cindy's own personality disorders or how far she was willing to go to be "right." I personally am thrilled to be able to see inside a family that creates a Casey Anthony. I honestly don't think that would've been possible without old Leonard. Just my own opinion.

Plus, the guy just doesn't bug me like he does many others.

Even though I was annoyed I saw the benefits -- until he started on Kronk with the daisy chain night after night on NG. I thought that was wrong.

If he's proven right I'll take you out for crab puffs. And not in dinky Orlando. In Baltimore where they know their crabs! Nothing but the best for Impf. :tonguewag:

[bchand]

You are comparing apples and oranges.

"mommy and daddy" did not "bail" Casey out on the Amy theft. Bank of America reimbursed Amy. I presume that Target and whoever else honored the stolen checks and transactions reimbursed B of A.

It's not really up to Amy as to whether prosecution goes forward. It's up to the district attorney. Amy has nothing to say about it one way or another. The only way Amy can pursue anything is to bring a civil action against Casey for the theft and fraud. And, as already pointed out to you, Amy has already been made "whole" for the theft part of it.

I can understand wanting Casey to be prosecuted for the charges against her with regard to Caylee, but this "get her" and grab the torches and pitchforks mentality serves no purpose.

According to the documents released yesterday, Jose Baez reimbursed BOA. (Only July 10th of this year.)

[Imperfect4]

The State has just this last week released Discovery to the defense. I guess that this Discovery contains interviews by LE/FBI and LP and his group. Lyon is going to object to anything and everything in an effort to defend Casey. Doesn't mean that Judge Strickland will rule in their favor. I fear that Judge Strickland is going to get plenty of exercise in the coming year. Me too.

Ah, that makes sense. Thank you. I doubt Judge S. will rule in their favor. The role of LP and co. certainly didn't seem defense-oriented to me, although they did play as bodyguards to Ms. Hot Body. That security arrangement was foolish on Jose's part, if he's the one who arranged it.

Almost have a tinge of sympathy for Lyon and the foul, stinking mess Baez has left her to try to clean up. Good luck with that, Andrea.

[marshmallow]

You are comparing apples and oranges.

"mommy and daddy" did not "bail" Casey out on the Amy theft. Bank of America reimbursed Amy. I presume that Target and whoever else honored the stolen checks and transactions reimbursed B of A.

It's not really up to Amy as to whether prosecution goes forward. It's up to the district attorney. Amy has nothing to say about it one way or another. The only way Amy can pursue anything is to bring a civil action against Casey for the theft and fraud. And, as already pointed out to you, Amy has already been made "whole" for the theft part of it.

I can understand wanting Casey to be prosecuted for the charges against her with regard to Caylee, but this "get her" and grab the torches and pitchforks mentality serves no purpose.
but if Casey did commit the crime involving stolen/forged checks shouldn't it make it'sway into a court of law? just because Baez ponied up a check to BoA pay for it doesn't mean it should be back burnered because the defense wants everything Casey did hidden away or erased. If Amy does give the judge what he asked for then why shouldn't it progress in a timely manner?

[martha]

I sure hope they have the check chg.case before they have the murder trial as someone said they will go over and over she has never done anything wrong. I want amy to have her day in court just like everyone elce does. I want to see cindy and george get on the stand and say casey never stole from them. never used cindy cc never done anything but be a g0od mother ha, I just know they will do that.cindy say her and casey never had a fight. geroge say he was a good dad.All that bs they will say while everyone knows it is not true. I sure wish g and c had to acct.for where they or getting all the money they have now. Is george trying to keep casey quite by putting money in her acct ever week? I wish everyone she has made a part of this case would have a trial and make the a;s pay for their defence. It is not fair that all these people have had to get lawyers. Just because of casey. jmho

[summer]

You are comparing apples and oranges.

"mommy and daddy" did not "bail" Casey out on the Amy theft. Bank of America reimbursed Amy. I presume that Target and whoever else honored the stolen checks and transactions reimbursed B of A.

It's not really up to Amy as to whether prosecution goes forward. It's up to the district attorney. Amy has nothing to say about it one way or another. The only way Amy can pursue anything is to bring a civil action against Casey for the theft and fraud. And, as already pointed out to you, Amy has already been made "whole" for the theft part of it.

I can understand wanting Casey to be prosecuted for the charges against her with regard to Caylee, but this "get her" and grab the torches and pitchforks mentality serves no purpose.

If Amy has no imput then why did Judge Strickland say she has to declare her desire to move forward with the fraud case? :confused:

[gaelicpeas]

I like Lenny and he adds extra colour commentary to this case.I wonder if he knows more about the finances of the family than we do and where the money is coming from.I think he probably does know something about the finances. He has been strangely silent about this topic, however...

[Imperfect4]

My apologies if someone has already answered this, but along with the defense motions released, the State also released a lot more discovery to the defense - which apparently includes LE's interviews of Tracy, Lenny's female sidekick. So, I guess the defense wants to block the release of her interview.

Got it. Thank you. :smile:

[onlykaty]

LP, coming up next hln..I think I heard he is going to be there and they will be taking calls..

[marshmallow]

aside from your sarcasm, as an accused, Casey does indeed have rigihts. like it or not, that's the law and I'll go out on a limb and say that for all of its flaws, it's still the best system in the world.

it appears that you are in disagreement with the system of justice in this Country.



when the victims rights end up in the trash because we bend over backewards to present an uneven playing field that favors only the defense then I for one am in disagreement. A fair trial should be fair for all sides not just the defense. Somehow over the years we've lost sight of that.

[Katprint]

The simple answer is no. If you had counsel that you have hired and have faith in should you be required to accept different counsel? JMO
I respectfully disagree. Attorneys are supposed to manage their caseload so that they can provide proper representation on each and every case. Taking on too many/too complex cases is simply not an acceptable justification for not being able to properly represent an existing client in a particular pending matter.

When Baez accepted Casey as a client concerning the check forgery charges, he was aware that she was an uncharged suspect with regard to her missing daughter. Baez had an ethical duty not to accept employment as her attorney on the murder case if that meant he could no longer adequately defend her on the check forgery/fraud/theft charges. Even if he was OK before the death penalty was added but then he could not handle both sets of charges after the death penalty was added, he had an ethical duty to withdraw from one or the other. It is really no different from an attorney who is happily handling a full case load but then some unanticipated disaster occurs - auto accident, heart attack, opposing party turns out to be a vexatious litigant who files many frivolous motions which consume much more time than previously anticipated, whatever - who has to bring in other attorneys to help or else substitute out/withdraw from some of his cases.

Nonetheless, I agree that Judge Strickland will probably err on the side of letting the death penalty case go forward first. If Casey is convicted of First Degree Murder then the check forgery charges are basically moot for all practical purposes because Casey will be in prison for the rest of her life (regardless whether it ends naturally or by execution); Casey has no money so she will not be able to pay fines or restitution. If Casey is not convicted but remains in jail several years, her attorneys have a good argument that she has already served the longest possible sentence and that the check forgery charges ought to be dismissed in the interests of justice. The only reason to have the check forgery charges heard first is to satisfy philosophical principles albeit at the expense of judicial economy.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Imperfect4]

Even though I was annoyed I saw the benefits -- until he started on Kronk with the daisy chain night after night on NG. I thought that was wrong.

If he's proven right I'll take you out for crab puffs. And not in dinky Orlando. In Baltimore where they know their crabs! Nothing but the best for Impf. :tonguewag:

Don't order our appetizers just yet ... :scared:

I don't necessarily buy Lenny's daisy chain theory, nor do I think Kronk is in any way a bad guy, but I've had suspicions right from the beginning about why RK was so persistent about that particular bag, in that particular location. I'm eternally grateful he stuck with it, but I think there's probably more to the story.

O/T ... I lived in Maryland (outside D.C.) for 5 years back in the early 90's.

[imc_e]

I'm confused about the check fraud timing thing. Can someone please clue me in...

Okay,,,,,I understand about the check charges being minor compared to the other charges, but I also see a strategic advantage that doesn't seem fair.

Situation 1. She is tried and convicted on the fraud charge before the big trial. That information can now come into the murder trial. The jury now knows that check fraud was in play during that critical 31 days before the alarm is sounded. This seems like important information to me. It's one thing to say that she went out to party and shopped, quite another to say that she committed other crimes during this period. Plays to state of mind and character.

Situation 2. The fraud case is delayed and the state tries to show the jury just what little miss Casey was doing during that critical time. The defense jumps up and objects because the perfect mother has not been convicted of any kind of fraud charge. The judge would have to sustain it,,right? So the jury no longer gets an honest look at what Casey was really doing.

See, situation 2 seems unfair. It's more than just ranking the charges and trying them in sequence. It's about the state not being able to introduce critical evidence for the jury to review.

Now, I'll take back everything I have said if the state is allowed to tell the jury that Casey has charges pending for check fraud that have not been heard because the murder trial was deemed more important. But somehow I don't think that would be allowed at all.

Does this question make sense? I hurt my back and took a pain pill. Not Michael Jackson strength, but enough to screw up my posting.

Thanks for listening. Be well.

I agree with you.

Situation 2 would be unfair because the jury would not get to hear ALL the particulars involved in the 31 days where she was stealing and murdering.

mo

[Lapis]

One more question for the legal eagles..........


Let's say bob was arrested for raping and killing a child. Then let's say bob was also arrested for selling child porn for profit. For whatever reason, the charges are tried at different times. The murder trial is more important, but it's going to take a few years to happen.

So if bob is not tried and convicted on the selling child porn charges, the jury in the murder case will probably never know about it...Right?

Just asking...

The jury would not know about Casey's conviction on the fraud charges in the guilt phase of the murder trial. The only way it comes in is at the penalty phase of the trial. JMO

[Imperfect4]

even if he is convicted on the child porn charges, the jury in the murder case might never know about it. the first thing Bob's lawyer will do is bring a motion to exclude the child porn case and subsequent trial from evidence in the murder trial on the grounds that it is irrelevant and prejudicial.

... and this is precisely where some of us take exception. I think we need a wholesale review of what is considered "irrelevant and prejudicial" inside our "system of justice." There is no logic, in my mind, when we try to pretend a person's character and behavior and/or past crimes are "irrelevant and prejudicial" to the crime or behavior of the moment. Defies all logic, imo.

[MrLucky917B]

You could be exactly right. Given this seems to be one of the very first motions Lyon has filed in the case, I have to wonder what it is Lenny and his people could say that Casey's defense team doesn't want them saying.

Since lenny has been letting out everything that his inside person knew in drips and drabs there shouldn't be anything earth shattering left.

[Imperfect4]

when the victims rights end up in the trash because we bend over backewards to present an uneven playing field that favors only the defense then I for one am in disagreement. A fair trial should be fair for all sides not just the defense. Somehow over the years we've lost sight of that.

Yes, we have.

[Imperfect4]

Since lenny has been letting out everything that his inside person knew in drips and drabs there shouldn't be anything earth shattering left.

Still suffering from your Lenny obsession, I see! :laugh:

[MrLucky917B]

Amy can sue Casey now if she wants.

But in reality, there is not much that she can sue for. she's already been compensated for the financial loss and as wrong as it's not always easy to prove "pain and suffering".

She should hire Zanny's attorney....

[imc_e]

The jury would not know about Casey's conviction on the fraud charges in the guilt phase of the murder trial. The only way it comes in is at the penalty phase of the trial. JMO

Would the cheque cashing conviction, cc/economic info etc, not show her behavior during the time of the murder, and be allowed to be heard by the jury?

:scared:

[onlykaty]

Since lenny has been letting out everything that his inside person knew in drips and drabs there shouldn't be anything earth shattering left.

I just got through listening to LP on HLN so he's still talking..No signed contract with defense and no money changed hands. LP said he made it plain when his nephew posted bond he would be talking about Caylee and doing everything they could to find out what happened. The reason bond was posted was because he beleived her at the time if she was out of jail they could find Caylee..But that was so NOT the case...At one time when Casey was talking to LP, he said JB told her to shutup and get back into her room..wth..

[Bala]

You are comparing apples and oranges.

"mommy and daddy" did not "bail" Casey out on the Amy theft. Bank of America reimbursed Amy. I presume that Target and whoever else honored the stolen checks and transactions reimbursed B of A.

It's not really up to Amy as to whether prosecution goes forward. It's up to the district attorney. Amy has nothing to say about it one way or another. The only way Amy can pursue anything is to bring a civil action against Casey for the theft and fraud. And, as already pointed out to you, Amy has already been made "whole" for the theft part of it.

I can understand wanting Casey to be prosecuted for the charges against her with regard to Caylee, but this "get her" and grab the torches and pitchforks mentality serves no purpose.

That not entirely true. Baez wrote a cheque on July 10 to BOA to pay them back and Amy has a right by Florida law to ask for a quick and speedy trial that's why Judge S asked the State for a affidavit form Amy stating she wants the trial to go forward now. How is Amy demanding justice getting out the torches and pitchforks.This isn't about getting her it's about justice for all including Amy.

[anon-o-miss]

Then are they going after the wrong person?
They included his nephew Tony Padilla in the motion.

[Pam1569]

If I understand correctly they trying to prevent statements already made to LE from being released to the media. If they cannot testify at trial because of priviledge then the statements should not be released as priviledged. JMO

Hi Lapis, I just wanted to let you know that I just heard on wesh news tonight Criminal Lawyer Richard Hornsby.

http://www.wesh.com/news/20079093/detail.html

Defense lawyer Richard Hornsby said the agreements are worthless because Florida statutes do not allow attorneys and bail bondsmen to enter in to those types of confidentiality arrangements.

"Jose Baez should have never had a reasonable expectation that anything she said would be confidential or fall under the attorney client privilege and that's a big problem," Hornsby said. "He should have advised her right away -- don't say anything to anybody."

Sorry if this has already been posted. I am still pages back.