Thursday, July 16, 2009

[desmom]

One year ago today....July 16, 2008 Part I

Media Advisory: Have You Seen Me?
Page 1 http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0717/16907762.pdf

0045 hours Detectives notified of a report of a missing child.
Page 16 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3868229/guide-to-casey-anthony-documents-orlando-sentinel

LE searched Tone’s apartment early morning.
Page 90 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3868229/guide-to-casey-anthony-documents-orlando-sentinel

Lee called Tone and told him Caylee was missing.
Page 19 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2447608/Casey-Anthony-Anthony-Lazzaro-Interview-Sept-18-released-Nov06-08

0105 hours Casey Anthony’s handwritten statement
Pages 29 – 32 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3868229/guide-to-casey-anthony-documents-orlando-sentinel

Lee returned to the Anthony home at 2:25 a.m. with Casey’s things he had collected from Tone’s apartment.
Lee said they “were encouraged to dump those items out” and “the officer left”. Cindy saw her J.C.Penney’s card, $140 - $200 in twenties that Cindy put in her pocket, “another card she took from me”, the officer grabbed an ID that Lee said appeared to be the old type of driver’s license. Lee found and “took care of” the key to Amy’s car.
Pages 21 – 26 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1641627/Anthony-Lee---Statement

0411 hours: LE interviewed Casey at the Hopespring address
Pages 71 – 83 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1080375/0825-Casey-Anthony-Documents-released-part-1

Casey shows LE the last three known addresses for Zenaida.
Pages 10 – 12 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2817323/Caylee-Anthony-Case-November-26th-2008-Documents

LE dropped Casey off at home. George told LE “he and his wife Cynthia (Casey’s mother) feared something may have happened to Caylee.
Page 12 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2817323/Caylee-Anthony-Case-November-26th-2008-Documents

After seeing the 6:00 a.m. news, Simon Burch, employee of Johnson Towing, goes dumpster diving in his PJs and flip flops looking for the trash bag. When he could not locate the bag, he called OCSO. Detective Melich told him, they already had the bag.
Pages 17 – 19 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Burch%20%20Simon-0724.pdf

Casey and Tone text messages
Pages 47 - 50 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2811058/Casey-Anthony-Documents-Released-Nov-26-007
Pages 23 - 24 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2811460/Casey-Anthony-Documents-Released-Nov-26-012
Casey to Tone 6:48 a.m.: I’m so sorry for not telling you what happened..we obviously need to talk. I need you..and I love you more than you know
Tone to Casey 6:50 a.m.: Where is Caylee?
Casey to Tone 6:50 a.m.: I honestly don’t know.
Tone to Casey 6:53 a.m.: I don’t know…R u serious? When did you find out?
Casey to Tone 6:53 a.m.: Ive been filing reports all night and driving around with multiple officers looking at old apartments I had taken her to. Everything. I am the worst f*****g person in the entire world. I know’t know what ill do if something happens to her.
Casey to Tone: 6:54 a.m.: Too long. Lets just leave it at that.
Tone to Casey 6:57 a.m.: Y wouldn’t u tell me of all people I was ur boyfriend that cares about you and your daughter. Doesn’t make sense to me. Why would u lie to me thinking she was fine with your nanny?
Casey to Tone 6:59 a.m.: I lied to everyone. What was I supposed to say? I trust my daughter some psycho. How does that look?
Tone to Casey 7:01 a.m.: Idk what to say.. I just hope your daughter is okay and I’m gonna do whatever I can do to help ur family and the cops.
Casey to Tone 7:01 a.m.: I was put in handcuffs for almost 10 minutes and sat in the back of a cop car. The best thing and the most important person in my life is missing and gold only knows if I am ever going to see her again.
Casey to Tone 7:02 a.m. I am the dumbest person and the worst mother. I honestly hate myself.
Casey to Tone 7:03 a.m. The most important thing is getting Caylee back but I truly hope that you can forgive me..granted I will never be able to forgive myself nor will my family.
Tone to Casey 7:04:35 Who is this zanny nanny person
Casey to Tone 7:06 a.m. Someone I had met through a mutual friend almost 4 years ago. She used to be my buddy jeffs nanny before she became mine.
Casey to Tone 7:09 a.m. I’m scared.
Tone to Casey 7:12 a.m.: R u home?
Casey to Tone: 7:13 a.m.: Yeah. Almost 12 hours of stuff. Finally getting a shower. I fell like hell.
Tone to Casey 7:15 a.m.: Where did you drop off Caylee last time u saw her?
Pages 1 – 3 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2811062/Casey-Anthony-Documents-Released-Nov-26-008
Casey to Tone 7:17 a.m.: At her apartment. At the bottom of the stairs.
Tone to Casey 7:17 a.m.: Where?!
Casey to Tone 7:18 a.m.: Sawgrass apartments
Tone to Casey 7:19 a.m.: Have you told and showed the police the apartment.
Casey to Tone 7:20 a.m.: Told them and drove out there with two different officers. I just got back from the second drive.
Casey to Tone 7:21 a.m.: If they don’t find her..guess who gets blamed and spends eternity in jail?
Tone to Casey 7:23 a.m.: Yeah no sh** this serious why wouldn’t u say something sooner bout this? Too anyone?
Tone to Casey 7:24 a.m.: Oh and why are u texting me and not callin
Casey to Tone 7:24 a.m.: I talked to two people that have been directly connected to zanny. How can I sit there and be so blind and stupid? Its my fault.
Casey to Tone 7:25 a.m.: I was scared to admit it..i was scared that something was going to happen to my baby.

[desmom]

One year ago today..... July 16, 2008 Part II

8:45 LE visited Sawgrass Apartments
Pages 55 – 58 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1080375/0825-Casey-Anthony-Documents-released-part-1

LE met with Investigator Leonard Turtora at Uniersal Studios. He checked several names in their database including Zenaida Gonzalez, Juliette Lewis and Jeffery Hopkins and learned the following: Casey was fired from Universal on 4/24/06; Jeffery Hopkins had worked for Universal and was fired on 5/13/02; Juliette Lewis was not found. While at Universal, LE called Casey and put her on speakerphone. Casey confirmed she worked at Universal and provided LE with her office extension phone number. Universal Inv. Turtora said it was not a valid extension and even tried to call the number; no Tom Manley was employed at Universal, the events department boss’ name is Tom Mattson. Mr. Mattson was contacted and he confirmed they did not have a Casey Anthony listed as an employee at the present or in the past.
Page 13 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2817323/Caylee-Anthony-Case-November-26th-2008-Documents

Page 23 – 31 Incoming Text Messages July 16, 2008 to Casey’s phone http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2811460/Casey-Anthony-Documents-Released-Nov-26-012
Tone asked Casey why she would need to take money from her friend’s account. Casey said she needed a backup plan. Tone said he did not want to hear about a backup plan or anything she had to say about stuff like that.
Page 19 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2447608/Casey-Anthony-Anthony-Lazzaro-Interview-Sept-18-released-Nov06-08

Chris Stutz received a text message “Caylee is missing for thirty-two days…” Later while Chris was at work Lee called him asking if he knew anything.
Page 13 http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0926/17564652.pdf

12:30 p.m. – Sgt. Allen and Det. Wells picks up Casey and takes her to Universal to meet with LE on the scene. Casey told Universal Security she was an employee at Universal and didn’t have her ID. When asked by Security who her supervisor was, she said Tom Manly. When told no Tom Manley was employed by Universal, Casey offered no explanation. Investigator Tutora agreed to escort them to Casey’s office. They followed Casey to a nearby building and into the building’s inner hall. She walked down the hallway like she knew where she was going. Halfway down the hall, Casey stopped, turned and told LE she had lied to them and was not a current employee.
Page 13 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2817323/Caylee-Anthony-Case-November-26th-2008-Documents
Diagram of path walked on page 14.

Cindy told Brittany Schieber she felt Casey was hiding something, Casey had told her she was going to Jacksonville for a month for a job and she was going to drop the baby off at a babysitter and Casey was having issues with the relationship Caylee had with her grandmother, Cindy. A couple of days later, the Jacksonville story turned into the Tampa story.
Pages 7 – 8 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1643358/Schiener-Brittany---07-24-Statement

Cindy told Brittany “Caylee’s baby doll was in her car seat and there was just a bag of a few diapers for Caylee in the back. Cindy said Casey would call to meet up with Cindy or have some reason for Cindy to leave the house. Instead of meeting up with her mother, Casey would go to the house and take things she needed including stealing money.
Pages 11 – 12 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1643358/Schiener-Brittany---07-24-Statement

1320 hours: LE interviews Casey at Universal Sutdios
Pages 85 – 151 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3868229/guide-to-casey-anthony-documents-orlando-sentinel

Casey’s text messages to Brittany Schieber
Page 1 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1643358/Schiener-Brittany---07-24-Statement

13:42: Caylee is missing. She has been for 32 days now. Please if you have any information call me on my cell or at home.

15:28: Yes. She has been for a few weeks.

15:30: Her nanny…someone I trusted…took her. No calls until yesterday.

15:36: Not great. We are hanging in there.

15:38: Thanks hun.

1601 hours Zenaida Gonzalez handwritten statement
Pages 47 – 49 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3868229/guide-to-casey-anthony-documents-orlando-sentinel

[desmom]

One year ago today.....July 16, 2008 Part III

Casey’s text messages to Brittany Schieber
Page 1 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1643358/Schiener-Brittany---07-24-Statement

16:13: A silver ford focus. 4 door.

1633 hours - Arrest Affidavit: Date-Time of Arrest 7/16/08 16:33:00
Page 2 http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0717/16907762.pdf

1813 hours Jesse Grund’s handwritten statement
Pages 41 – 43 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3868229/guide-to-casey-anthony-documents-orlando-sentinel

1822 hours LE interviewed Tone
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2447608/Casey-Anthony-Anthony-Lazzaro-Interview-Sept-18-released-Nov06-08

1900 hours interviewed Jeffrey Hopkins & Melissa Hopkins
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/4824000/Casey-Anthony-Jeffrey-and-Melissa-Hopkins-interview

1948 hours Kristina Chester’s handwritten statement
Page 45 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3868229/guide-to-casey-anthony-documents-orlando-sentinel

2013 hours LE interviewed Amy Huizenga
Pages 76 – 113 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1080890/Casey-Anthony-Court-Documents-Part-3

2130 hours George Anthony gave LE permission to remove and search the Pontiac
Page 39 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3868229/guide-to-casey-anthony-documents-orlando-sentinel
Page 181 LE’s report on taken possession of the car and personal belongings http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3868229/guide-to-casey-anthony-documents-orlando-sentinel

2130 hours – Clint House’s handwritten statement
Page 44 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3868229/guide-to-casey-anthony-documents-orlando-sentinel

2131 hours - LE interviewed Ricardo Morales
Pages 33 – 49 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1080890/Casey-Anthony-Court-Documents-Part-3

Girl Missing 5 Weeks Never Reported Lost; Mother Says Doing Own Search
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/16906125/detail.html

Casey tried to call Chris from the jail between 11:30 – 11:45 p.m.
Chris hung up, called his parents and they told him not to answer her calls. She called back 3-4 minutes later.
Page 13 http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0926/17564652.pdf

[Adonna]

Thank you desmom for the updates that you post for the forum. We truly appreciate all that you have done to make it easier to look back on the daily events of leading up to this date that Caylee was reported as missing.

Precious Caylee captured our hearts one year ago today as a missing child form Orlando, FL. :rose:Caylee:rose:

[desmom]

Interesting...

From the Tone/Casey text messages linked above:

6:48 a.m.: ..... I need you

6:53 a.m.: Ive been filing reports all night and (I have been) driving around with multiple officers looking at old apartments I had taken her to. Everything.

6:59 a.m.: ..... What was I supposed to say?

7:01 a.m.: I was put in handcuffs for almost 10 minutes and (I) sat in the back of a cop car.

7:03 a.m. ....... I truly hope that you can forgive me..

7:13 a.m.: Yeah. Almost 12 hours of stuff. Finally (I am) getting a shower.

7:21 a.m.: If they don’t find her..guess who gets blamed and spends eternity in jail? (I get blamed.)

7:25 a.m.: I was scared to admit it

[desmom]

How I would have loved to have been privy to LE's private conversations when they discussed this:

LE met with Investigator Leonard Turtora at Uniersal Studios. He checked several names in their database including Zenaida Gonzalez, Juliette Lewis and Jeffery Hopkins and learned the following: Casey was fired from Universal on 4/24/06; Jeffery Hopkins had worked for Universal and was fired on 5/13/02; Juliette Lewis was not found. While at Universal, LE called Casey and put her on speakerphone. Casey confirmed she worked at Universal and provided LE with her office extension phone number. Universal Inv. Turtora said it was not a valid extension and even tried to call the number; no Tom Manley was employed at Universal, the events department boss’ name is Tom Mattson. Mr. Mattson was contacted and he confirmed they did not have a Casey Anthony listed as an employee at the present or in the past.
Page 13 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2817323/Caylee-Anthony-Case-November-26th-2008-Documents

12:30 p.m. – Sgt. Allen and Det. Wells picks up Casey and takes her to Universal to meet with LE on the scene. Casey told Universal Security she was an employee at Universal and didn’t have her ID. When asked by Security who her supervisor was, she said Tom Manly. When told no Tom Manley was employed by Universal, Casey offered no explanation. Investigator Tutora agreed to escort them to Casey’s office. They followed Casey to a nearby building and into the building’s inner hall. She walked down the hallway like she knew where she was going. Halfway down the hall, Casey stopped, turned and told LE she had lied to them and was not a current employee.
Page 13 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2817323/Caylee-Anthony-Case-November-26th-2008-Documents
Diagram of path walked on page 14.

1320 hours: LE interviews Casey at Universal Sutdios
Pages 85 – 151 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3868229/guide-to-casey-anthony-documents-orlando-sentinel

[anon-o-miss]

Interesting...

From the Tone/Casey text messages linked above:

6:48 a.m.: ..... I need you

6:53 a.m.: Ive been filing reports all night and (I have been) driving around with multiple officers looking at old apartments I had taken her to. Everything.

6:59 a.m.: ..... What was I supposed to say?

7:01 a.m.: I was put in handcuffs for almost 10 minutes and (I) sat in the back of a cop car.

7:03 a.m. ....... I truly hope that you can forgive me..

7:13 a.m.: Yeah. Almost 12 hours of stuff. Finally (I am) getting a shower.

7:21 a.m.: If they don’t find her..guess who gets blamed and spends eternity in jail? (I get blamed.)

7:25 a.m.: I was scared to admit it
Very interesting. Hard to see what her priority is huh?:rolleyes: I, I, I, with a me thrown in for good measure. If I may also point out, she seems to have trouble directly answering any question posed to her. She just rambles on to redirect the conversation. Hmmm, that kind of reminds me of someone else with the initials CMA.
Thanks for the links Desmom. The way you organize them out for us everyday really puts everything into a much clearer picture. :wub:

[desmom]

Very interesting. Hard to see what her priority is huh?:rolleyes: I, I, I, with a me thrown in for good measure. If I may also point out, she seems to have trouble directly answering any question posed to her. She just rambles on to redirect the conversation. Hmmm, that kind of reminds me of someone else with the initials CMA.
Thanks for the links Desmom. The way you organize them out for us everyday really puts everything into a much clearer picture. :wub:

I noticed that also. When I was typing the convo, I kept thinking I had forgot something because it did not flow well...if that makes sense.

Casey was not interested in what Tone had to say.

jmo

[BJames]

Good morning to all :smile:

Again Desmom, many thanks for your daily reflective posts from a year ago today.
In retrospect the police sure did move quickly in interviewing people in this case, almost by the time another lie came from Casey's mouth...LE had already interviewed/contacted the people she said were 'connected' in any way.
If I were LE I would question why this 'mother' had said she was conducting her own 'investigation'...yet she had not called any of these folks to speak to them about Caylee being 'missing'.
She either did not believe she would ever have to answer to the police..or she figured they would just believe her as her parents had done all of her life...?
I have no doubt that Casey blames Cindy for calling 911...and if push came to shove...Cindy now wishes that she hadn't called either.
Poor Caylee...she truly was a pawn in the Anthony dynamics.
:sad:

Just my opinion of course...

[anon-o-miss]

How I would have loved to have been privy to LE's private conversations when they discussed this:

LE met with Investigator Leonard Turtora at Uniersal Studios. He checked several names in their database including Zenaida Gonzalez, Juliette Lewis and Jeffery Hopkins and learned the following: Casey was fired from Universal on 4/24/06; Jeffery Hopkins had worked for Universal and was fired on 5/13/02; Juliette Lewis was not found. While at Universal, LE called Casey and put her on speakerphone. Casey confirmed she worked at Universal and provided LE with her office extension phone number. Universal Inv. Turtora said it was not a valid extension and even tried to call the number; no Tom Manley was employed at Universal, the events department boss’ name is Tom Mattson. Mr. Mattson was contacted and he confirmed they did not have a Casey Anthony listed as an employee at the present or in the past.
Page 13 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2817323/Caylee-Anthony-Case-November-26th-2008-Documents

12:30 p.m. – Sgt. Allen and Det. Wells picks up Casey and takes her to Universal to meet with LE on the scene. Casey told Universal Security she was an employee at Universal and didn’t have her ID. When asked by Security who her supervisor was, she said Tom Manly. When told no Tom Manley was employed by Universal, Casey offered no explanation. Investigator Tutora agreed to escort them to Casey’s office. They followed Casey to a nearby building and into the building’s inner hall. She walked down the hallway like she knew where she was going. Halfway down the hall, Casey stopped, turned and told LE she had lied to them and was not a current employee.
Page 13 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2817323/Caylee-Anthony-Case-November-26th-2008-Documents
Diagram of path walked on page 14.

1320 hours: LE interviews Casey at Universal Sutdios
Pages 85 – 151 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3868229/guide-to-casey-anthony-documents-orlando-sentinel
LE really did a great job handling this from the very beginning. They had all her lies exposed before she even finished telling them. I looked at the diagram and that was quite the jaunt she took them on. This is a perfect example of her never being called to task, she took them on a hike so she could buy time and come up with the next lie. The only problem is that this is a new arena for her. LE checks every little thing she tells them. She couldn't come up with a new story so quick. I think she was starting to see that corner she was backing herself into, but if she could just buy time.... Just one more day...

[anon-o-miss]

I noticed that also. When I was typing the convo, I kept thinking I had forgot something because it did not flow well...if that makes sense.

Casey was not interested in what Tone had to say.

jmo
:thumbsup: Yes... The first time I read it I was thinking I must be missing a text or question. Then I noticed it's a pattern and how she (they) talk to everyone. That's why her older friends never called her on it. They probably got sick of the headaches from running in circles.

[anon-o-miss]

Good morning to all :smile:

Again Desmom, many thanks for your daily reflective posts from a year ago today.
In retrospect the police sure did move quickly in interviewing people in this case, almost by the time another lie came from Casey's mouth...LE had already interviewed/contacted the people she said were 'connected' in any way.
If I were LE I would question why this 'mother' had said she was conducting her own 'investigation'...yet she had not called any of these folks to speak to them about Caylee being 'missing'.
She either did not believe she would ever have to answer to the police..or she figured they would just believe her as her parents had done all of her life...?
I have no doubt that Casey blames Cindy for calling 911...and if push came to shove...Cindy now wishes that she hadn't called either.
Poor Caylee...she truly was a pawn in the Anthony dynamics.
:sad:

Just my opinion of course...
She was conducting a psychic investigation don't ya know?:rolleyes: That's why she never asked anyone about Caylee or Zanny, that's how she knew Caylee was close to home, that's why she went out to the nightclubs, she was using her expert telepathic abilities. It was only after she went to jail her psychic connection to Caylee and the "kidnappers" diminished. She couldn't keep that protective force field on Caylee anymore, all those lead bars.

[Postergeist]

Mornin' all~

thanks desmom!

re-reading thru the statements and some of the texts again- my heart breaks for all the innocent people that were drawn into this- Tony, Jesse, Amy, Zenaida at the onset.

Then of course, how many others got drug into it later, and the finger pointing began. :sad:

Seeing the JCPenney card mentioned- I admit to thinking of Casey yesterday when I went in to pay my bill, then decided to check out all the clearance items and thought, well, this is just one more thing she can't enjoy for herself anymore.

I think she was actually being truthful in some of her texts-

Its my fault

I am the dumbest person and the worst mother

[anon-o-miss]

Mornin' all~

thanks desmom!

re-reading thru the statements and some of the texts again- my heart breaks for all the innocent people that were drawn into this- Tony, Jesse, Amy, Zenaida at the onset.

Then of course, how many others got drug into it later, and the finger pointing began. :sad:

Seeing the JCPenney card mentioned- I admit to thinking of Casey yesterday when I went in to pay my bill, then decided to check out all the clearance items and thought, well, this is just one more thing she can't enjoy for herself anymore.

I think she was actually being truthful in some of her texts-

Its my fault

I am the dumbest person and the worst mother
I think the most honest thing she said to anybody, was when she told Lee,"Maybe I'm just a spiteful &!t@h." I think that captures whatever happened to Caylee in a nutshell.

[Postergeist]

She was conducting a psychic investigation don't ya know?:rolleyes: That's why she never asked anyone about Caylee or Zanny, that's how she knew Caylee was close to home, that's why she went out to the nightclubs, she was using her expert telepathic abilities. It was only after she went to jail her psychic connection to Caylee and the "kidnappers" diminished. She couldn't keep that protective force field on Caylee anymore, all those lead bars.

:laugh: and golly gee- even her own mother believed in her daughter's super powers, if she'd only be released, she can lead us to Caylee!

darn pesky jail cells just cancel out her amazing remote viewing capabilities, ah- but at least they got to bond over brownies one last time!

[Postergeist]

I think the most honest thing she said to anybody, was when she told Lee,"Maybe I'm just a spiteful &!t@h." I think that captures whatever happened to Caylee in a nutshell.

agree miss!

oh, another thing I thought of yesterday while trying on clothes- if any of our posters will be at the trial- think we can all ask them to tie their shirts in front with a stylish knot, it would give the A's the impression that oh- "look at the people that are supporting our daughter" but it will be a visual for us that yay! it's our IS peeps supporting Caylee!

:wink:

[anon-o-miss]

:laugh: and golly gee- even her own mother believed in her daughter's super powers, if she'd only be released, she can lead us to Caylee!

darn pesky jail cells just cancel out her amazing remote viewing capabilities, ah- but at least they got to bond over brownies one last time!
We see how that worked out didn't we? She shouted from the rooftops there was nothing she could do in jail. When she gets out it's bracelet making and brownie baking.
Isn't that something? Her child goes missing and she's baking brownies, and as LP put it, acting like a cruise director. *No offense to any cruise directors intended.

[anon-o-miss]

agree miss!

oh, another thing I thought of yesterday while trying on clothes- if any of our posters will be at the trial- think we can all ask them to tie their shirts in front with a stylish knot, it would give the A's the impression that oh- "look at the people that are supporting our daughter" but it will be a visual for us that yay! it's our IS peeps supporting Caylee!

:wink:
:thumbsup: great idea.

[BJames]

I was thinking back yesterday to when Casey was released and she and Jose wanted the courts permission to 'visit' different places...of course it was denied.
I wonder where she was going to take Jose? Would they have eventually 'run into' Caylee's body? I don't think at that time Casey knew that LE could trace her pings and/or verify her calls..would she have said someone (the Nanny?) called and told her where to look?
I still get the impression that she felt like the police/Judge were like her parents...that she could plead her case and get off of her grounding/house arrest.
In so many ways Casey shows the maturity level of a teenager, maybe because she never had any consequences during that period of her life....so she never truly 'grew up'.
I sooo agree that most folks didn't pursue her lying far enough to disprove her...it would have been too much work, and to what end really? By the time the first couple of lies were debunked she would have just been on to the next fifty...seriously...there wasn't much (if anything) about Casey's life that wasn't a lie.

Just my opinion of course...

[Postergeist]

We see how that worked out didn't we? She shouted from the rooftops there was nothing she could do in jail. When she gets out it's bracelet making and brownie baking.
Isn't that something? Her child goes missing and she's baking brownies, and as LP put it, acting like a cruise director. *No offense to any cruise directors intended.

indeed- she was using her event planner skills having Cindy under her tutelage to later come in handy for Grams concert,

and *shock* while not having any trust in LE and can't call 911 when something happened to her daughter- was sure quick fingered to dial 911 as "the resident" to report the protesters.

It did give Baez ample time to bond with "his girl" tho.

imo

[cassidy]

July 16th 2008 was a very busy day for LE. Casey sent them on numerous wild goose chases to Sawgrass & Universal and she was exposed as a liar. She showed a total lack of concern for her daughter and set the tone for the investigation. Going back and taking a second look at this day, knowing what we all know now, makes her seem even colder than she did then.

[Elle]

Interesting...

From the Tone/Casey text messages linked above:

6:48 a.m.: ..... I need you

6:53 a.m.: Ive been filing reports all night and (I have been) driving around with multiple officers looking at old apartments I had taken her to. Everything.

6:59 a.m.: ..... What was I supposed to say?

7:01 a.m.: I was put in handcuffs for almost 10 minutes and (I) sat in the back of a cop car.

7:03 a.m. ....... I truly hope that you can forgive me..

7:13 a.m.: Yeah. Almost 12 hours of stuff. Finally (I am) getting a shower.

7:21 a.m.: If they don’t find her..guess who gets blamed and spends eternity in jail? (I get blamed.)

7:25 a.m.: I was scared to admit it

Tony must have thought he was in the twilight zone. Here is someone who's daughter was 'kidnapped' and not once does she even feign concern for Caylee.
Spending eternity in jail seems to be whats on her mind....and rightfully so. I would like to add that jail should not be the only place she worries about spending eternity.
I would also like to add that I find her use of the word blamed, and admit interesting.
12 hours of 'stuff'...'finally' able to take a shower...

she disgusts me.

[Postergeist]

I was thinking back yesterday to when Casey was released and she and Jose wanted the courts permission to 'visit' different places...of course it was denied.
I wonder where she was going to take Jose? Would they have eventually 'run into' Caylee's body? I don't think at that time Casey knew that LE could trace her pings and/or verify her calls..would she have said someone (the Nanny?) called and told her where to look?
I still get the impression that she felt like the police/Judge were like her parents...that she could plead her case and get off of her grounding/house arrest.

<snipped>

Just my opinion of course...

ah BJames! great points here- (I love all our Jessica Fletchers, Nancy Drews, Hardy Boys, etc. that we have on board)

you may be on to what her next scheme was- likely she didn't consider pings, etc.

She had already given the "I just heard from my daughter today" and told everyone that would show up on her bill- lol

but maybe she was hoping to do exactly what you said- tell JB that hey- just heard from ZFG, she told me to go here- then that gives her and her atty the chance to notify LE omg! we just discovered her remains!!! (and from what the experts have said, she'd have been skeletonized already by then)

wouldn't put it past her-she seems so devious

imo

[Julie Dupree]

Good morning to all :smile:

Again Desmom, many thanks for your daily reflective posts from a year ago today.
In retrospect the police sure did move quickly in interviewing people in this case, almost by the time another lie came from Casey's mouth...LE had already interviewed/contacted the people she said were 'connected' in any way.
If I were LE I would question why this 'mother' had said she was conducting her own 'investigation'...yet she had not called any of these folks to speak to them about Caylee being 'missing'.
She either did not believe she would ever have to answer to the police..or she figured they would just believe her as her parents had done all of her life...?
I have no doubt that Casey blames Cindy for calling 911...and if push came to shove...Cindy now wishes that she hadn't called either.
Poor Caylee...she truly was a pawn in the Anthony dynamics.
:sad:

Just my opinion of course...

I wonder what would have happened if Casey had told them about Caylee. They had the car. Do you think they would have worked something out with Amy so she would not bring charges against Casey?
As good as this family is at inventing stories, I am sure they could have come up with one for what happened to Caylee.
I wonder???
Julie

[anon-o-miss]

I was thinking back yesterday to when Casey was released and she and Jose wanted the courts permission to 'visit' different places...of course it was denied.
I wonder where she was going to take Jose? Would they have eventually 'run into' Caylee's body? I don't think at that time Casey knew that LE could trace her pings and/or verify her calls..would she have said someone (the Nanny?) called and told her where to look?
I still get the impression that she felt like the police/Judge were like her parents...that she could plead her case and get off of her grounding/house arrest.
In so many ways Casey shows the maturity level of a teenager, maybe because she never had any consequences during that period of her life....so she never truly 'grew up'.
I sooo agree that most folks didn't pursue her lying far enough to disprove her...it would have been too much work, and to what end really? By the time the first couple of lies were debunked she would have just been on to the next fifty...seriously...there wasn't much (if anything) about Casey's life that wasn't a lie.

Just my opinion of course...

I completely agree with that. She is very adolescent in the way she goes about life in general.

[anon-o-miss]

indeed- she was using her event planner skills having Cindy under her tutelage to later come in handy for Grams concert,

and *shock* while not having any trust in LE and can't call 911 when something happened to her daughter- was sure quick fingered to dial 911 as "the resident" to report the protesters.

It did give Baez ample time to bond with "his girl" tho.

imo
She sure was quick to call 911 and demand that someone go to jail. Yet when it was her daughter at stake she was "holding her own investigation", and singing praises about what a wonderful nanny she had, Zanny was rich, and a 10, she was loving to Caylee, bought everything she would need for Caylee so Casey wouldn't have to lug that stuff around, worked for free.... So I guess it was only out of the kindness of Casey's heart that she was paying her $400 dollars a week.

[Postergeist]

I wonder what would have happened if Casey had told them about Caylee. They had the car. Do you think they would have worked something out with Amy so she would not bring charges against Casey?
As good as this family is at inventing stories, I am sure they could have come up with one for what happened to Caylee.
I wonder???
Julie

Hi Julie- when you say "they" do you mean Casey's parents?

I can easily see them trying to bargain with Amy to not bring charges-

if I let my mind go there, yeah, okay, I guess the A's could say it was an accident or she "died" in her sleep and they all panicked and they are too poor to afford to pay for any funeral services so they just did a do-it-yourself gravesite for her on some undeveloped property that had meaning to Casey. They invented the nanny and kidnapping because they didn't want to be charged with illegal dumping, or some sort of bio-hazard EPA fines. <ick>

imo

[anon-o-miss]

July 16th 2008 was a very busy day for LE. Casey sent them on numerous wild goose chases to Sawgrass & Universal and she was exposed as a liar. She showed a total lack of concern for her daughter and set the tone for the investigation. Going back and taking a second look at this day, knowing what we all know now, makes her seem even colder than she did then.
ITA!!!:angry:

[anon-o-miss]

Tony must have thought he was in the twilight zone. Here is someone who's daughter was 'kidnapped' and not once does she even feign concern for Caylee.
Spending eternity in jail seems to be whats on her mind....and rightfully so. I would like to add that jail should not be the only place she worries about spending eternity.
I would also like to add that I find her use of the word blamed, and admit interesting.
12 hours of 'stuff'...'finally' able to take a shower...

she disgusts me.

I agree, what a very telling choice of words. Just like when she told LE," it's been a month... I'm running out of options."

[desmom]

indeed- she was using her event planner skills having Cindy under her tutelage to later come in handy for Grams concert,

and *shock* while not having any trust in LE and can't call 911 when something happened to her daughter- was sure quick fingered to dial 911 as "the resident" to report the protesters.

It did give Baez ample time to bond with "his girl" tho.

imo

Well duh...your post made a light bulb go off..or maybe the coffee kicked in.

Of course Casey was an event planner. Some of the texts we have read in doc dumps are Casey "reaching out" to friends organizing plans for the weekend, composing and sending herself "work" related emails, dreaming up stories about "work" so Cindy would keep Caylee.

She was good at her job and then her workload increased in June 2008...she scheduled Zanny/Caylee trips to all the Parks, her "work" related conference in Tampa, "worked on becoming a family" in Jacksonville, "reached out" to friends to boost attendance at Fusians, scheduled appointments for tattoos and manicure, decorated and played hostess for July 4th party, supervised transportation for friends to and from the airport, cleaned their cars, interviewed perspective replacements and had them in the wings if needed (Will to replace Tone?), designed myspace/facebook pages for friends, supervised financial transactions......

Casey probably considered it a heck of a job promotion from her previous job:
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18031958/detail.html

"I found a resume that my daughter had typed all the way to 2006, and my daughter showed that she was employed, which I know she was from 2004 to 2006, either through Universal or Colorvision (or another company). That I can verify. I know that because we've met these people that she worked with -- or my wife has -- I've talked to them over the phone," George Anthony said in the August interview. "At 2006, she wrote down -- or typed out in her nice resume -- nanny."

jmo

[marshmallow]

Tone to Casey 7:04:35 Who is this zanny nanny person












that to me says it all. Her "boyfriend" that she loved sooo much had no idea who the Zanny person was.

[Postergeist]

She sure was quick to call 911 and demand that someone go to jail. Yet when it was her daughter at stake she was "holding her own investigation", and singing praises about what a wonderful nanny she had, Zanny was rich, and a 10, she was loving to Caylee, bought everything she would need for Caylee so Casey wouldn't have to lug that stuff around, worked for free.... So I guess it was only out of the kindness of Casey's heart that she was paying her $400 dollars a week.

She sure has a skewed way of looking at things- she's upset that she was arrested on some "*&%# whim" but darn those evil trespassers, they need to be jailed!

Amazing that just as you said- Zanny was perfect and then turns into a "psycho" when she's texting Tony.

It's boggling to know that not only did she invent imaginary friends and co-workers, etc. that she goes so far as to invent imaginary little playmates for her own daughter! She was snap happy with the camera, where are those pix of Caylee playing with these kids and the puppy?!!!

But to beat the band- she's got her own mother believing in all of her delusional fictitious jobs and friends- that is some incredible brain washing power she has- and she was able to get her family as willing members of the Cult of Casey- that they would give over property and money to her. Well, I'm sure she can get herself recognized as a tax exempt church of the CMA.

imo

[anon-o-miss]

I wonder what would have happened if Casey had told them about Caylee. They had the car. Do you think they would have worked something out with Amy so she would not bring charges against Casey?
As good as this family is at inventing stories, I am sure they could have come up with one for what happened to Caylee.
I wonder???
Julie
I think if Casey told them the truth right away, they would have scraped together all the cash they could and send her away, then they could just tell everyone that Casey and Caylee moved out. I can see Cindy saying," Sorry Amy:blushing: this little psycho has done it before.:cursing: Don't worry I'll pay you back. :wink: I would tell you to press charges but that would just take Casey away from Caylee."

[Sun]

Interesting...

From the Tone/Casey text messages linked above:

6:48 a.m.: ..... I need you

6:53 a.m.: Ive been filing reports all night and (I have been) driving around with multiple officers looking at old apartments I had taken her to. Everything.

6:59 a.m.: ..... What was I supposed to say?

7:01 a.m.: I was put in handcuffs for almost 10 minutes and (I) sat in the back of a cop car.

7:03 a.m. ....... I truly hope that you can forgive me..

7:13 a.m.: Yeah. Almost 12 hours of stuff. Finally (I am) getting a shower.

7:21 a.m.: If they don’t find her..guess who gets blamed and spends eternity in jail? (I get blamed.)

7:25 a.m.: I was scared to admit it

Good morning everyone! Desmom, you've worked hard on today's "a year ago today" summary of info. Thanks!

This also got my attention, about how Casey seemed to want to not really answer tony's questions, but instead wanted to turn the conversation into what "Casey" was experiencing. Creepy.

How do you suppose Casey is feeding his need for attention, while being held in protective custody? Is she starving for attention? Or would the jailer feed her just enough attention to "maintain" her?

[desmom]

Caylee Anthony – Radio Show Implodes!
http://www.bloggernews.net/121586

[anon-o-miss]

Well duh...your post made a light bulb go off..or maybe the coffee kicked in.

Of course Casey was an event planner. Some of the texts we have read in doc dumps are Casey "reaching out" to friends organizing plans for the weekend, composing and sending herself "work" related emails, dreaming up stories about "work" so Cindy would keep Caylee.

She was good at her job and then her workload increased in June 2008...she scheduled Zanny/Caylee trips to all the Parks, her "work" related conference in Tampa, "worked on becoming a family" in Jacksonville, "reached out" to friends to boost attendance at Fusians, scheduled appointments for tattoos and manicure, decorated and played hostess for July 4th party, supervised transportation for friends to and from the airport, cleaned their cars, interviewed perspective replacements and had them in the wings if needed (Will to replace Tone?), designed myspace/facebook pages for friends, supervised financial transactions......

Casey probably considered it a heck of a job promotion from her previous job:
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18031958/detail.html

"I found a resume that my daughter had typed all the way to 2006, and my daughter showed that she was employed, which I know she was from 2004 to 2006, either through Universal or Colorvision (or another company). That I can verify. I know that because we've met these people that she worked with -- or my wife has -- I've talked to them over the phone," George Anthony said in the August interview. "At 2006, she wrote down -- or typed out in her nice resume -- nanny."

jmo
So she was really a freelance, pro bono, scraping up enough for her bar tab, kind of event planner... Oh, I see. :blink: As for her saying she was a nanny, I believe that is how she looked at spending time with Caylee, except she couldn't quit or walk away because Caylee was her meal ticket. If Cindy had custody of Caylee there was no reason to keep supporting Casey financially. She reminds of one of those people who, when watching their own child, says things like," I can't go... I'm babysitting." In my mind you can't babysit your own child... It's called parenting....

[anon-o-miss]

She sure has a skewed way of looking at things- she's upset that she was arrested on some "*&%# whim" but darn those evil trespassers, they need to be jailed!

Amazing that just as you said- Zanny was perfect and then turns into a "psycho" when she's texting Tony.

It's boggling to know that not only did she invent imaginary friends and co-workers, etc. that she goes so far as to invent imaginary little playmates for her own daughter! She was snap happy with the camera, where are those pix of Caylee playing with these kids and the puppy?!!!

But to beat the band- she's got her own mother believing in all of her delusional fictitious jobs and friends- that is some incredible brain washing power she has- and she was able to get her family as willing members of the Cult of Casey- that they would give over property and money to her. Well, I'm sure she can get herself recognized as a tax exempt church of the CMA.

imo
Excellent point. She was constantly taking pictures. The kicker? The apartment she's been telling George and Cindy was Zanny's is really Ricardos. That is a priceless moment in the jail house video when Cindy asks,"that apartment with the drumset... Who's apartment is that?" And as Casey's about to answer (probably lie and say it was Zanny's) Cindy cuts her off and says," because I know whose apartment it is." Casey (albeit begrudgingly) says," That's Ricardos apartment. But Zanny's apartment is set up exactly the same and she has a drum set too." It's really hard to not think G&C are either the stupidest people in the world, or up to their eyeballs in the cover-up. Denial only goes so far.

[Julie Dupree]

Hi Julie- when you say "they" do you mean Casey's parents?

I can easily see them trying to bargain with Amy to not bring charges-

if I let my mind go there, yeah, okay, I guess the A's could say it was an accident or she "died" in her sleep and they all panicked and they are too poor to afford to pay for any funeral services so they just did a do-it-yourself gravesite for her on some undeveloped property that had meaning to Casey. They invented the nanny and kidnapping because they didn't want to be charged with illegal dumping, or some sort of bio-hazard EPA fines. <ick>

imo

Yes, "they" are the Anthony's....I submitted that before I re-read it.
I believe Cindy is sorry she ever called 911 and started the ball rolling...I just wonder what she would have done if Casey would have told her the truth at the beginning..........or if Casey did tell her and Desmom's talents lays out for us what she "would do".
I sometime play little mind games with myself.
Julie

[Postergeist]

Well duh...your post made a light bulb go off..or maybe the coffee kicked in.

Of course Casey was an event planner. Some of the texts we have read in doc dumps are Casey "reaching out" to friends organizing plans for the weekend, composing and sending herself "work" related emails, dreaming up stories about "work" so Cindy would keep Caylee.

She was good at her job and then her workload increased in June 2008...she scheduled Zanny/Caylee trips to all the Parks, her "work" related conference in Tampa, "worked on becoming a family" in Jacksonville, "reached out" to friends to boost attendance at Fusians, scheduled appointments for tattoos and manicure, decorated and played hostess for July 4th party, supervised transportation for friends to and from the airport, cleaned their cars, interviewed perspective replacements and had them in the wings if needed (Will to replace Tone?), designed myspace/facebook pages for friends, supervised financial transactions......

Casey probably considered it a heck of a job promotion from her previous job:
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18031958/detail.html

"I found a resume that my daughter had typed all the way to 2006, and my daughter showed that she was employed, which I know she was from 2004 to 2006, either through Universal or Colorvision (or another company). That I can verify. I know that because we've met these people that she worked with -- or my wife has -- I've talked to them over the phone," George Anthony said in the August interview. "At 2006, she wrote down -- or typed out in her nice resume -- nanny."

jmo


ooh thanks desmom! I had completely forgotten this little bit from George!

I know it's been discussed before- but it really is sinking in- there were 2 and only 2 "nannies" in Caylee's life- her own mother, and her grandma.

Casey would use the term "nanny" to her friends when she just didn't want to say "grandma" - gives her more prestige if you will. That, and most people would say things like- wow, you must have a really amazing mom to always be at your disposal to watch your kid any time you want-

that would give attention, praise or sympathy to her mom from others- which she probably didn't want- the focus and spotlight must remain on Casey.

She'd tell her parents the "nanny" when she either didn't want them to know she was taking Caylee with her to adult party functions, or when she was going out to run the streets during the day before her social life started.


Maybe she never truly felt like a mom to Caylee, and more like a surrogate since Cindy was so involved- maybe she'd pretend play with Caylee and the times she took her to the park, etc. she'd tell Caylee- pretend I'm your nanny when Caylee's verbal skills got a bit better.

She never needed to invent an additional nanny (outside herself/g'ma) until the Grunds told her they could no longer do the babysitting.

imo

[anon-o-miss]

Caylee Anthony – Radio Show Implodes!
http://www.bloggernews.net/121586
My favorite line of the article.....
"If you have a strong constitution and enjoy watching people commit hari kari on air you can listen to the recording here."
I listened to the interview when it aired last night and he was a very good caller. I also liked the caller that said,"are you Michelle Bart?" then proceeded to ask her how she could get into her(MB's) racket lol and told MB she thought she could do it better.:laugh:

[marshmallow]

my question is probably of no importance but, when the Grunds were watching Caylee did George and Cindy know it or did they think it was a nanny back that far?

[anon-o-miss]

my question is probably of no importance but, when the Grunds were watching Caylee did George and Cindy know it or did they think it was a nanny back that far?
They knew because I believe that was the time period they thought Jesse was the father. She created the Nanny when the Grunds said she needed to find someone to take care of Caylee. I don't think the nanny had a name then I think the name Zanny came into the picture later. There have been different reports on that from everyone involved. George and Lee said (at first) they had never heard that name until recently, then changed their story. However, someone from Cindy's job said they had heard Cindy mention that name maybe a year or so before. Shirley (Casey's grandmother) said she thought they had mentioned it before because she said she thought they kept say Danny, but to me it was unclear when she said that if she was talking about the nanny or the little boy Casey said the nanny was also watching.

[Explorer]

Hi everyone. I think LE probably let her out of jail in hopes that she would lead them to the body. I think LE knew right from the start that Caylee was dead.

[Explorer]

Not reporting her missing for 31 days is pretty much a red flag:sad:

[desmom]

ooh thanks desmom! I had completely forgotten this little bit from George!

I know it's been discussed before- but it really is sinking in- there were 2 and only 2 "nannies" in Caylee's life- her own mother, and her grandma.

Casey would use the term "nanny" to her friends when she just didn't want to say "grandma" - gives her more prestige if you will. That, and most people would say things like- wow, you must have a really amazing mom to always be at your disposal to watch your kid any time you want-

that would give attention, praise or sympathy to her mom from others- which she probably didn't want- the focus and spotlight must remain on Casey.

She'd tell her parents the "nanny" when she either didn't want them to know she was taking Caylee with her to adult party functions, or when she was going out to run the streets during the day before her social life started.


Maybe she never truly felt like a mom to Caylee, and more like a surrogate since Cindy was so involved- maybe she'd pretend play with Caylee and the times she took her to the park, etc. she'd tell Caylee- pretend I'm your nanny when Caylee's verbal skills got a bit better.

She never needed to invent an additional nanny (outside herself/g'ma) until the Grunds told her they could no longer do the babysitting.

imo

Postie, you nailed it. Casey's friends may have had jobs, lived on their own and/or going to college, but Casey had a nanny!!!

jmo

[Januarybaby]

Casey to Tone 6:59 a.m.: I lied to everyone. What was I supposed to say? I trust my daughter some psycho. How does that look?


Wow....its more important how you look to other people than finding your missing 2 yr old daughter. I mean after all, your 2 yr old may be tortured, sold, murdered, molested, etc etc ..... but I understand how your worried that handing her to someone could make you look bad. We will worry about that first (sarcasm). GMAB!!!!!!!

[Elle]

my question is probably of no importance but, when the Grunds were watching Caylee did George and Cindy know it or did they think it was a nanny back that far?


Oh I have no doubt they knew. Both Cindy and George stated that they did not like Jesse, they both also stated that feeling changed, but as George stated in his LE interview, 'first impressions are very important' so my guess is that they never really came around to actually 'liking' Jesse..I am sure Casey relished telling her parents how much Caylee loved the Grunds. Caylee was nothing more than a tool used by Casey to manipulate others.

imo

[msgatorslayer]

I noticed that also. When I was typing the convo, I kept thinking I had forgot something because it did not flow well...if that makes sense.

Casey was not interested in what Tone had to say.

jmo

G'rmorning!

I picture her slamming her fist in the air as the next text message comes in. Why doesn't he leave me alone and why does he care about CAYLEE?:cursing:

[sammy62]

agree miss!

oh, another thing I thought of yesterday while trying on clothes- if any of our posters will be at the trial- think we can all ask them to tie their shirts in front with a stylish knot, it would give the A's the impression that oh- "look at the people that are supporting our daughter" but it will be a visual for us that yay! it's our IS peeps supporting Caylee!

:wink:

Do we wear the knot above our bfb (big fat bellies) or below?:rolleyes:

[anon-o-miss]

Hi everyone. I think LE probably let her out of jail in hopes that she would lead them to the body. I think LE knew right from the start that Caylee was dead.
I don't think LE wanted her out of jail. I think they wanted to keep her in so she would crack. I think they were close too when LP bailed her out. I say this because that last jailhouse video where she really blows up and complains no one is letting her speak. I think she was reaching her breaking point. She got her second wind after she was bonded out and got to spend 30+ hours a day at her buddy's... I mean attorney's office. He spent all his time convincing her they had nothing and she'll be free soon. I think it's kind of poetic justice. She lied to so many people on so many occasions for her own personal gain. Now her life is in someones hands who has (wrongly IMO) convinced her she will be a free bird if she takes this to trial. Someone who's benefitting from the notoriety of this case. You don't get your name in headlines making plea deals. I mean "it's not like she's a serial killer." When in reality her best bet was probably taking a plea and concoting some accident so she panicked theory. Water truly does find it's own level eh?:shrug:

[Explorer]

I don't think LE wanted her out of jail. I think they wanted to keep her in so she would crack. I think they were close too when LP bailed her out. I say this because that last jailhouse video where she really blows up and complains no one is letting her speak. I think she was reaching her breaking point. She got her second wind after she was bonded out and got to spend 30+ hours a day at her buddy's... I mean attorney's office. He spent all his time convincing her they had nothing and she'll be free soon. I think it's kind of poetic justice. She lied to so many people on so many occasions for her own personal gain. Now her life is in someones hands who has (wrongly IMO) convinced her she will be a free bird if she takes this to trial. Someone who's benefitting from the notoriety of this case. You don't get your name in headlines making plea deals. I mean "it's not like she's a serial killer." When in reality her best bet was probably taking a plea and concoting some accident so she panicked theory. Water truly does find it's own level eh?:shrug:
Yes that could be.

[anon-o-miss]

Casey to Tone 6:59 a.m.: I lied to everyone. What was I supposed to say? I trust my daughter some psycho. How does that look?


Wow....its more important how you look to other people than finding your missing 2 yr old daughter. I mean after all, your 2 yr old may be tortured, sold, murdered, molested, etc etc ..... but I understand how your worried that handing her to someone could make you look bad. We will worry about that first (sarcasm). GMAB!!!!!!!
(bolding mine)
Well put.:thumbup: I'm really curious how the defense is going to make her likeable to the jury. That is quite the feat they have in store for themselves.

[Elle]

Casey to Tone 6:59 a.m.: I lied to everyone. What was I supposed to say? I trust my daughter some psycho. How does that look?


Wow....its more important how you look to other people than finding your missing 2 yr old daughter. I mean after all, your 2 yr old may be tortured, sold, murdered, molested, etc etc ..... but I understand how your worried that handing her to someone could make you look bad. We will worry about that first. GMAB!!!!!!!


Oh but dontcha remember??? Caylee called Casey and was sooo happy, talked about her shoes.....

Casey is wretched.

IMVVVSO

[Postergeist]

Postie, you nailed it. Casey's friends may have had jobs, lived on their own and/or going to college, but Casey had a nanny!!!

jmo

and she had to have thought that was an impressive title-

since she added that to her resume!

Isn't it amazing how all of us seem to be able to "get inside Casey's head" and her own momma never tried! How many times did she tell reporters/interviewers "I'm not inside my daughter's head, I don't know what she's thinking".


btw- are drum sets really really popular in the Orlando area?

I mean, how many people that are of different genders happen to have the exact same musical instrument with the exact same living arrangement layout do you know?

what are the odds!

[desmom]

My favorite line of the article.....
"If you have a strong constitution and enjoy watching people commit hari kari on air you can listen to the recording here."
I listened to the interview when it aired last night and he was a very good caller. I also liked the caller that said,"are you Michelle Bart?" then proceeded to ask her how she could get into her(MB's) racket lol and told MB she thought she could do it better.:laugh:

I am listening now.

Michelle is talking about the months of circumstantial evidence. :eek:

[Explorer]

Every time I see a picture of casey anthony i think of "Play Misty for Me"

[BJames]

Casey to Tone 6:59 a.m.: I lied to everyone. What was I supposed to say? I trust my daughter some psycho. How does that look?


Wow....its more important how you look to other people than finding your missing 2 yr old daughter. I mean after all, your 2 yr old may be tortured, sold, murdered, molested, etc etc ..... but I understand how your worried that handing her to someone could make you look bad. We will worry about that first (sarcasm). GMAB!!!!!!!


I do believe that it is important to Casey to look like the 'victim', actually...it appears to run in the family. It is never about what any of the Anthonys have done (nor didn't do)...they like to play the 'blame game'. Whether that is Jesse, TonE, Cindy's brother...the media, and of course the message board posters...it's not them..it's everyone else.
Accountability isn't big in that family...they all play the 'victim' really well. It's the 'us' vs 'them' mentality...and it applies to everyone else who doesn't totally agree with them.

Just my opinion of course...

[Julie Dupree]

and she had to have thought that was an impressive title-

since she added that to her resume!

Isn't it amazing how all of us seem to be able to "get inside Casey's head" and her own momma never tried! How many times did she tell reporters/interviewers "I'm not inside my daughter's head, I don't know what she's thinking".


btw- are drum sets really really popular in the Orlando area?

I mean, how many people that are of different genders happen to have the exact same musical instrument with the exact same living arrangement layout do you know?

what are the odds!

I think Cindy was "inside" more than she cared to admit!!!

[msgatorslayer]

I think Cindy was "inside" more than she cared to admit!!!

Definately!! She did call Ryan and warn him to stay away from Casey cause she was psycho.

[msgatorslayer]

(bolding mine)
Well put.:thumbup: I'm really curious how the defense is going to make her likeable to the jury. That is quite the feat they have in store for themselves.

They need to bring an expert acting instructor on board.:tongueside:

[Postergeist]

Do we wear the knot above our bfb (big fat bellies) or below?:rolleyes:

LOL! makes no difference to me- but I do have one request- that not one of our lovely posters go to court wearing bad support- keep 'em perky ladies do not do a fashion faux pas like the OC's mom does.

tia

oops- make that a second request- no tank tops

however, feel free to wear those funky knee socks!

:laugh:

[anon-o-miss]

Oh but dontcha remember??? Caylee called Casey and was sooo happy, talked about her shoes.....

Casey is wretched.

IMVVVSO
How creepy was it in her Le interview at Universal when she said Caylee was reading her book to her. Then smugly says we have her on video or tape reading her book(I can't recall the exact words but something along those lines.) Like having Caylee on videotape reading has anything to do with Caylee calling Casey. Ever since the first time I heard that I've wondered if that was what Jesse heard on the phone... Casey playing that videotape or another one of Caylee in the background to make people think Caylee was still around. IIRC Shirley said someone called her and it sounded like a little kid on the phone but they called more than once and she thought maybe it was a recording. As we know from the computer searches (missing children, chloroform, and the like) Casey has been at the very least thinking about doing away with (at least) Caylee for a while. Maybe that explains all the creepy silent photographer videos of Caylee. So she could have a video with Caylees voice she could play and respond to in the background when she was talking to people. Casey doesn't think things through, but she does put at least a little thought into her schemes.

[Elle]

I am listening now.

Michelle is talking about the months of circumstantial evidence. :eek:

I love when they talk about CE as though it's meaningless. Ridiculous people they are, the whole lot of them.

imo

[Januarybaby]

Do we wear the knot above our bfb (big fat bellies) or below?:rolleyes:

And dont forget a bottle of water and chewing gum.

[anon-o-miss]

I do believe that it is important to Casey to look like the 'victim', actually...it appears to run in the family. It is never about what any of the Anthonys have done (nor didn't do)...they like to play the 'blame game'. Whether that is Jesse, TonE, Cindy's brother...the media, and of course the message board posters...it's not them..it's everyone else.
Accountability isn't big in that family...they all play the 'victim' really well. It's the 'us' vs 'them' mentality...and it applies to everyone else who doesn't totally agree with them.

Just my opinion of course...

Yes even poor Amy:crying:, who did nothing but befriend Casey, get her gas when she ran out, lent Casey her car, was robbed by Casey, helped Cindy track Casey down when Cindy couldn't get a hold of her. How do they repay her? Why.... they say she must be the real Zanny:sneaky:. They have no shame, and no one is above their f'n whims.:cursing:

[Pruddennce]

She sure was quick to call 911 and demand that someone go to jail. Yet when it was her daughter at stake she was "holding her own investigation", and singing praises about what a wonderful nanny she had, Zanny was rich, and a 10, she was loving to Caylee, bought everything she would need for Caylee so Casey wouldn't have to lug that stuff around, worked for free.... So I guess it was only out of the kindness of Casey's heart that she was paying her $400 dollars a week.

and a glimpse into the mind of Cindy A, the other psychopath:

she tells LE Casey was THANKFUL she reported Caylee missing, because it was something casey JUST COULDNT DO.....

Cindy is great, Cindy is smart, Cindy is able to take care of things....so gloats Cindy.... Casey happy? lol

that was Cindy's message to LE not to look in her direction....

but then the blanket evidence came to light 4 months later...prior to that her email addressee mistake brought to light another deliberate act of deception.........

LE let her go...Im annoyed about that. why the special handling esp in light of a little toddler's unknown disposition? In my mind I rationalize that LE knew they had the perp at the time of her first arrest...but her parents were peripherally involved as it concerned possible evidence....heck, GA actually revealed to LE that he told his wife they have to pass on information to LE..that they WERE withholding information and would need a lawyer....

LE should have hammered that out with GA...WHAT are you and Cindy withholding?

IMO

best regards,
Pru


*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[anon-o-miss]

I think Cindy was "inside" more than she cared to admit!!!

Of course she was... She molded that kooky little mind of Casey's. They act just alike.

[anon-o-miss]

They need to bring an expert acting instructor on board.:tongueside:
:laugh: That'll really make her feel like a star.

[anon-o-miss]

LOL! makes no difference to me- but I do have one request- that not one of our lovely posters go to court wearing bad support- keep 'em perky ladies do not do a fashion faux pas like the OC's mom does.

tia

oops- make that a second request- no tank tops

however, feel free to wear those funky knee socks!

:laugh:


:lol: :lol: Love that post from beginning to end lol.

[msgatorslayer]

Can't believe this case has had the stamina that it has. Lastnight, I noticed, with all the other new cases, a year later, there were still more people viewing this forum than any other.

Wade through the pages of archived threads CW moved. We have so many threads and posts. And we're still going.

Because of the actions of all the players, we have ourselves an criminal soap opera, of sorts.

[apothecary]

Tony must have thought he was in the twilight zone. Here is someone who's daughter was 'kidnapped' and not once does she even feign concern for Caylee.
Spending eternity in jail seems to be whats on her mind....and rightfully so. I would like to add that jail should not be the only place she worries about spending eternity.
I would also like to add that I find her use of the word blamed, and admit interesting.
12 hours of 'stuff'...'finally' able to take a shower...

she disgusts me.
The questionning was a major inconvenience for her.I still noticed that she only used Caylee's name twice.Everything always was directed back to herself.No concern for Caylee whatsoever.:cursing:

[msgatorslayer]

And dont forget a bottle of water and chewing gum.

It can't be an Anthony trial w.o those.

[spiritwolf46]

Do we wear the knot above our bfb (big fat bellies) or below?:rolleyes:

Above. Always above! ;)

Good morning all!

ETA: I sent a belated Happy Birthday to Mr. Grund and he wrote me back. He seems like such a wonderful guy.

[anon-o-miss]

And dont forget a bottle of water and chewing gum.

:laugh: As long as we all know to draw the line at helmet hair.

[Elle]

How creepy was it in her Le interview at Universal when she said Caylee was reading her book to her. Then smugly says we have her on video or tape reading her book(I can't recall the exact words but something along those lines.) Like having Caylee on videotape reading has anything to do with Caylee calling Casey. Ever since the first time I heard that I've wondered if that was what Jesse heard on the phone... Casey playing that videotape or another one of Caylee in the background to make people think Caylee was still around. IIRC Shirley said someone called her and it sounded like a little kid on the phone but they called more than once and she thought maybe it was a recording. As we know from the computer searches (missing children, chloroform, and the like) Casey has been at the very least thinking about doing away with (at least) Caylee for a while. Maybe that explains all the creepy silent photographer videos of Caylee. So she could have a video with Caylees voice she could play and respond to in the background when she was talking to people. Casey doesn't think things through, but she does put at least a little thought into her schemes.

You know, those videos have bothered me for the longest time. I have held the belief that Casey was keeping distance from Caylee hiding behind a lens. Watching, observing Caylee...silent, predatory. Caylee was nothing more than an object to be studied and when necessary, used to further Casey's agenda. I see no love in the videos, not do I see hate. What I see is indifference, coldness and that to me is more chilling than if I saw even hatered. I see nothing. I have thought for some time that this would be in line with what I think Casey to be, and that is a sociopath. I believe the only love she feels is toward herself, while everyone else is completely expendable and only in her life to serve as a means to an end.
You brought up a very interesting and equally chilling alternative. Litterally sending chills down my spine.
Whatever Jesse heard that day, it seems to me that Casey went out of her way to make sure he heard it.

imo

[anon-o-miss]

The questionning was a major inconvenience for her.I still noticed that she only used Caylee's name twice.Everything always was directed back to herself.No concern for Caylee whatsoever.:cursing:
Well silly:blushing: the kidnappers script said nothing about feigning concern. It said to party it up, lie, lie, lie, party some more, lie, lie, lie, steal gas cans, lie, lie, lie, steal, shop, lie. Everyone knows that:rolleyes:.

[msgatorslayer]

Well silly:blushing: the kidnappers script said nothing about feigning concern. It said to party it up, lie, lie, lie, party some more, lie, lie, lie, steal gas cans, lie, lie, lie, steal, shop, lie. Everyone knows that:rolleyes:.

Yup, never let em see ya down!:rolleyes:

[Postergeist]

How creepy was it in her Le interview at Universal when she said Caylee was reading her book to her. Then smugly says we have her on video or tape reading her book(I can't recall the exact words but something along those lines.) Like having Caylee on videotape reading has anything to do with Caylee calling Casey. Ever since the first time I heard that I've wondered if that was what Jesse heard on the phone... Casey playing that videotape or another one of Caylee in the background to make people think Caylee was still around. IIRC Shirley said someone called her and it sounded like a little kid on the phone but they called more than once and she thought maybe it was a recording. As we know from the computer searches (missing children, chloroform, and the like) Casey has been at the very least thinking about doing away with (at least) Caylee for a while. Maybe that explains all the creepy silent photographer videos of Caylee. So she could have a video with Caylees voice she could play and respond to in the background when she was talking to people. Casey doesn't think things through, but she does put at least a little thought into her schemes.

refresh my memory if ya know little missy- did she generate that call to Jesse? (using my big word for the day)

I agree- it was creepy to hear her say that Caylee was talking about her shoes and her book (from the grave)

maybe she saw the Monk episode of the actor that played a recording of his wife so that the neighbors thought they heard a living wife in the house...

I'm no techie, but I bet a great computer wizard maybe could find when each sound file, video was accessed and match the dates to see if they coincided with the calls. Of course, not necessary for trial, but just to satisfy the rest of us as yet another trick she did.

It's interesting as to who she chose to "hear" Caylee- out of the myriad of people she knew- it was Jesse and Shirley (unless Shirley's really was just a misdialed call or kids just goofing around).

We know the last contact she had with Shirley didn't end pleasantly, per SP's statements.

[Sun]

July 16, 2008, Casey took a shower, at the Anthony home.
Aug 21, 2008 after being released on bond, Casey took a shower.
Dec 11, 2008 after learning that remains had been found, Casey asked to take a shower.

I really, really hope that Casey is very, very unhappy that she is not allowed to take a shower every time that she wants to.

[Postergeist]

And dont forget a bottle of water and chewing gum.

now there's a time and a place for chewing gum- I will bop you on the head with the water bottle if I see gum chewing in the court room!

:glare:

Do people not remember the wise song from the Oompah Loompahs!

[msgatorslayer]

and a glimpse into the mind of Cindy A, the other psychopath:

she tells LE Casey was THANKFUL she reported Caylee missing, because it was something casey JUST COULDNT DO.....

Cindy is great, Cindy is smart, Cindy is able to take care of things....so gloats Cindy.... Casey happy? lol

that was Cindy's message to LE not to look in her direction....

but then the blanket evidence came to light 4 months later...prior to that her email addressee mistake brought to light another deliberate act of deception.........

LE let her go...Im annoyed about that. why the special handling esp in light of a little toddler's unknown disposition? In my mind I rationalize that LE knew they had the perp at the time of her first arrest...but her parents were peripherally involved as it concerned possible evidence....heck, GA actually revealed to LE that he told his wife they have to pass on information to LE..that they WERE withholding information and would need a lawyer....

LE should have hammered that out with GA...WHAT are you and Cindy withholding?

IMO

best regards,
Pru


*waiting on maggot evidence....*

I so agree with ya, Pru.

LE had their perp and knew Caylee was more than likely dead real quick. The 30 days, Casey's lack of concern while being questioned, her wildgoose chase she took LE on to look for Caylee, etc all.

In most cases, LE can look to the family for help, and guidance. Thats what they were originally trying to do with the Anthony's.

But once it became apparent that the Anthony's were lying and covering, they should have pressed more. Especially when George said that to them about witholding evidence and the need for an attorney.

[anon-o-miss]

You know, those videos have bothered me for the longest time. I have held the belief that Casey was keeping distance from Caylee hiding behind a lens. Watching, observing Caylee...silent, predatory. Caylee was nothing more than an object to be studied and when necessary, used to further Casey's agenda. I see no love in the videos, not do I see hate. What I see is indifference, coldness and that to me is more chilling than if I saw even hatered. I see nothing. I have thought for some time that this would be in line with what I think Casey to be, and that is a sociopath. I believe the only love she feels is toward herself, while everyone else is completely expendable and only in her life to serve as a means to an end.
You brought up a very interesting and equally chilling alternative. Litterally sending chills down my spine.
Whatever Jesse heard that day, it seems to me that Casey went out of her way to make sure he heard it.

imo
(bolding mine)
I agree.. I think her grandmother hit the nail on the head when she said she wondered if Casey hated her mother more than she loved Caylee. Whenever you see her playing with caylee in the videos, (the one with the cake in the face, and when she was on the floor with her)there is a distance she keeps in the sense she pulls away anytime Caylee reaches out or tries to play back. It struck me as Casey playing with her like a child might play with a doll, and not actually playing with her as a loving parent would.
I also think she purposely wanted Jesse to think Caylee was with her. I think she had so many possible scenarios running through her head she never stuck with one and that is why a lot of it doesn't make sense. Her dumping the car possibly to set up a carjacker theory, her claiming Zanny had Caylee, her claiming her mother had Caylee, her "reprimanding" Caylee while Jesse was on the phone, her planning on going to California. She had too many pots on the stove as the saying goes.

[Januarybaby]

July 16, 2008, Casey took a shower, at the Anthony home.
Aug 21, 2008 after being released on bond, Casey took a shower.
Dec 11, 2008 after learning that remains had been found, Casey asked to take a shower.

I really, really hope that Casey is very, very unhappy that she is not allowed to take a shower every time that she wants to.

Maybe Casey tries to wash off the guilty feeling she has or tried to get rid of the "unpleasantness" of the situation. Wonder what a psychiatrist would say about it.

[msgatorslayer]

July 16, 2008, Casey took a shower, at the Anthony home.
Aug 21, 2008 after being released on bond, Casey took a shower.
Dec 11, 2008 after learning that remains had been found, Casey asked to take a shower.

I really, really hope that Casey is very, very unhappy that she is not allowed to take a shower every time that she wants to.

:lol: Reminds me of the "Legally Blonde" movie where Reece Witherspoon is asking the girl about her shower, over, and over, again, rotflmao.

[Postergeist]

Can't believe this case has had the stamina that it has. Lastnight, I noticed, with all the other new cases, a year later, there were still more people viewing this forum than any other.

Wade through the pages of archived threads CW moved. We have so many threads and posts. And we're still going.

Because of the actions of all the players, we have ourselves an criminal soap opera, of sorts.

talk about stamina! Why folks are still discussing the Jon Benet case and Natalee Holloway on other mbs to name a few more.

I agree with you- it is the actions of all the players- from the family to the attorneys that has made it the soap opera that it is.

[anon-o-miss]

refresh my memory if ya know little missy- did she generate that call to Jesse? (using my big word for the day)

I agree- it was creepy to hear her say that Caylee was talking about her shoes and her book (from the grave)

maybe she saw the Monk episode of the actor that played a recording of his wife so that the neighbors thought they heard a living wife in the house...

I'm no techie, but I bet a great computer wizard maybe could find when each sound file, video was accessed and match the dates to see if they coincided with the calls. Of course, not necessary for trial, but just to satisfy the rest of us as yet another trick she did.

It's interesting as to who she chose to "hear" Caylee- out of the myriad of people she knew- it was Jesse and Shirley (unless Shirley's really was just a misdialed call or kids just goofing around).

We know the last contact she had with Shirley didn't end pleasantly, per SP's statements.
I'm not sure if Jesse called her or she called Jesse but I think the call came after a bit of back and forth texting.

[Sun]

Maybe Casey tries to wash off the guilty feeling she has or tried to get rid of the "unpleasantness" of the situation. Wonder what a psychiatrist would say about it.

Oh, and Casey also asked to shower at Jesse's in early July.

Methinks... that one has an obsession with showering. And, gets tremendous pleasure out of showering.

[anon-o-miss]

:lol: Reminds me of the "Legally Blonde" movie where Reece Witherspoon is asking the girl about her shower, over, and over, again, rotflmao.

:laugh:
Does anyone know what day it was she went to Jesse's to take a shower?

[anon-o-miss]

Oh, and Casey also asked to shower at Jesse's in early July.

Methinks... that one has an obsession with showering. And, gets tremendous pleasure out of showering.

:thumbsup: Great minds think alike lol.

[Elle]

(bolding mine)
I agree.. I think her grandmother hit the nail on the head when she said she wondered if Casey hated her mother more than she loved Caylee. Whenever you see her playing with caylee in the videos, (the one with the cake in the face, and when she was on the floor with her)there is a distance she keeps in the sense she pulls away anytime Caylee reaches out or tries to play back. It struck me as Casey playing with her like a child might play with a doll, and not actually playing with her as a loving parent would.
I also think she purposely wanted Jesse to think Caylee was with her. I think she had so many possible scenarios running through her head she never stuck with one and that is why a lot of it doesn't make sense. Her dumping the car possibly to set up a carjacker theory, her claiming Zanny had Caylee, her claiming her mother had Caylee, her "reprimanding" Caylee while Jesse was on the phone, her planning on going to California. She had too many pots on the stove as the saying goes.

She had stated on some site one of her favorite shows was CSI, and like most shows, they skip around and have those pesky commercials. A typical viewer is able to connect the pieces follow the story. And although they jump around, there is always a sort of continuity...even at the end if you say 'I did not see that coming', in retrospect it makes sense. Casey and her story lack all sense, there is not one shred of continuity, logic...she just jumps around, comes up with whatever storyline she can for that moment, with no regard to continuity...everything is very fragmented.

imo

[Postergeist]

:laugh:
Does anyone know what day it was she went to Jesse's to take a shower?

just was reading it this morning

during the week of June 22 thru July 7 she came over to use his shower, while Tony was out of town.

page 42

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3868229/guide-to-casey-anthony-documents-orlando-sentinel

(page 41 handwritten)

[Pruddennce]

refresh my memory if ya know little missy- did she generate that call to Jesse? (using my big word for the day)

I agree- it was creepy to hear her say that Caylee was talking about her shoes and her book (from the grave)

maybe she saw the Monk episode of the actor that played a recording of his wife so that the neighbors thought they heard a living wife in the house...

I'm no techie, but I bet a great computer wizard maybe could find when each sound file, video was accessed and match the dates to see if they coincided with the calls. Of course, not necessary for trial, but just to satisfy the rest of us as yet another trick she did.

It's interesting as to who she chose to "hear" Caylee- out of the myriad of people she knew- it was Jesse and Shirley (unless Shirley's really was just a misdialed call or kids just goofing around).

We know the last contact she had with Shirley didn't end pleasantly, per SP's statements.

yes, Shirley indicated she did NOT want Casey in her house and told her so.

another interesting tidbit, Cindy never ONCE personally contacted any of her friends. She had Ryan P's #, Jesse's #, Brittany. why didnt she call them? she had no problem calling Ryan 3 weeks prior to warn him she was a thief. Casey actually anticipated Cindy calling Jesse and played Jesse *dont talk to my mother, Ill explain later*.

Cindy told several of her friends after the event that Casey was no good. once the friends were interviewed and told the truth about what "Cindy said', she accused THEM of being involved.

IMO Cindy supercedes Casey in the psycho dept when it concerns lying. Casey doesnt implicate 'real people' (although she is adept at lying and stealing and simply says oh well and moves on, and of course is arrested for murder).....Cindy goes after innocent people, in an attempt to ruin their lives.

it will be interesting to hear the testimony of the friends that were told by Cindy that Casey was a liar and a thief. and that she was concerned that 'nothing of Caylee's was taken from the home' when Casey would sneak back in to get her own 'stuff'.

the A's whirlwind alibi tour and fingerpointing interviews with LE/FBI are one thing, most certainly will not be part of the trial; however, 'what Cindy said' to several witnesses just might be. I hope it is ruled allowable.

If so, I predict outrage and meltdown, with Cindy being dragged away :D she will not be able to remain silent while someone else testifies as to what Cindy said regarding her daughter, hours later after she reported her missing.

as well as the first jailhouse call, psycho vs psycho....Cindy's press appearances vs boyfriend's #. Cindy telling casey it was her fault she was sitting in jail for what....LYING? she never takes it a step further, showing fear and upset that those lies concern her granddaughter....

in fact, she is as cold as casey in that first call after arrest....

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

[bchand]

:laugh: As long as we all know to draw the line at helmet hair.

Do you think Cindy would be insulted if we wore these?


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v711/Bettychand/largesunglasses.jpg

[Postergeist]

I'm not sure if Jesse called her or she called Jesse but I think the call came after a bit of back and forth texting.

ty- can't seem to find it in his initial statement, but early on he did say he had "two odd contacts" with her...

[desmom]

:laugh:
Does anyone know what day it was she went to Jesse's to take a shower?

July 1.

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=355562
Jesse Grund received a phone call at 10:15 a.m. asking to use his shower before she goes to work. She said she had been staying at Tone’s, she did not have a key to his apartment and she could not go to her parent’s. She arrived at 10:39 a.m. She took a shower leaving the door half open. Jesse stayed in the living room. After her shower she hung out a Jesse’s until around noon.
Pages 19 – 20 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1642922/Grund-Jesse---Statement

[Elle]

yes, Shirley indicated she did NOT want Casey in her house and told her so.

another interesting tidbit, Cindy never ONCE personally contacted any of her friends. She had Ryan P's #, Jesse's #, Brittany. why didnt she call them? she had no problem calling Ryan 3 weeks prior to warn him she was a thief. Casey actually anticipated Cindy calling Jesse and played Jesse *dont talk to my mother, Ill explain later*.

Cindy told several of her friends after the event that Casey was no good. once the friends were interviewed and told the truth about what "Cindy said', she accused THEM of being involved.

IMO Cindy supercedes Casey in the psycho dept when it concerns lying. Casey doesnt implicate 'real people' (although she is adept at lying and stealing and simply says oh well and moves on, and of course is arrested for murder).....Cindy goes after innocent people, in an attempt to ruin their lives.

it will be interesting to hear the testimony of the friends that were told by Cindy that Casey was a liar and a thief. and that she was concerned that 'nothing of Caylee's was taken from the home' when Casey would sneak back in to get her own 'stuff'.

the A's whirlwind alibi tour and fingerpointing interviews with LE/FBI are one thing, most certainly will not be part of the trial; however, 'what Cindy said' to several witnesses just might be. I hope it is ruled allowable.

If so, I predict outrage and meltdown, with Cindy being dragged away :D she will not be able to remain silent while someone else testifies as to what Cindy said regarding her daughter, hours later after she reported her missing.

as well as the first jailhouse call, psycho vs psycho....Cindy's press appearances vs boyfriend's #. Cindy telling casey it was her fault she was sitting in jail for what....LYING? she never takes it a step further, showing fear and upset that those lies concern her granddaughter....

in fact, she is as cold as casey in that first call after arrest....

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

I agree with your post except I believe that Casey does implicate 'real people'. Casey alluded to Jesse having involvement. She stated she could not talk about him, that she was 'fearfull' of him. She stated he may know/have involvement with 'Zanny'. She also took the police to places that could implicate Ricardo, Amy, Annie, JP ect. She did not state these people outright, but strongly alluded to them when she would say she was giving 'hints'.

imo

[Postergeist]

<respectfully snipped>


IMO Cindy supercedes Casey in the psycho dept when it concerns lying. Casey doesnt implicate 'real people' (although she is adept at lying and stealing and simply says oh well and moves on, and of course is arrested for murder).....Cindy goes after innocent people, in an attempt to ruin their lives.


omg Pru!

other than Casey saying it wasn't "that" ZFG or "that" JH- you are right-Cindy has implicated real people!

that is one scary woman! Supercedes is right!

She did seem to go way out of her way to let as many people know that her daughter is a liar and a thief- then tells the media- that a liar doesn't make a murderer.

crazy is as crazy does-

can't help but think of the old nursery rhyme- "...and when she was bad she was horrid"

imo

[Sun]

July 1.

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=355562
Jesse Grund received a phone call at 10:15 a.m. asking to use his shower before she goes to work. She said she had been staying at Tone’s, she did not have a key to his apartment and she could not go to her parent’s. She arrived at 10:39 a.m. She took a shower leaving the door half open. Jesse stayed in the living room. After her shower she hung out a Jesse’s until around noon.
Pages 19 – 20 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1642922/Grund-Jesse---Statement

desmom, thanks so much for refreshing my memory on this detail. Casey sure didn't stay long.... does anyone know where she went next?

[spiritwolf46]

do you think cindy would be insulted if we wore these?


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v711/bettychand/largesunglasses.jpg

roflmao!!!!!!!!

[Postergeist]

I agree with your post except I believe that Casey does implicate 'real people'. Casey alluded to Jesse having involvement. She stated she could not talk about him, that she was 'fearfull' of him. She stated he may know/have involvement with 'Zanny'. She also took the police to places that could implicate Ricardo, Amy, Annie, JP ect. She did not state these people outright, but strongly alluded to them when she would say she was giving 'hints'.

imo

good points as well Elle- the car that she said her ZFG drove is very similar in make and color to ZG, and agree on the places that could implicate those.

(besides having her sweetie get prints on the shed and gas cans, Amy getting prints on a gas can, who knows what she could have been planting or taking away from her friends vehicles/homes to plant elsewhere)

imo

[spiritwolf46]

If so, I predict outrage and meltdown, with Cindy being dragged away :D she will not be able to remain silent while someone else testifies as to what Cindy said regarding her daughter, hours later after she reported her missing.

as well as the first jailhouse call, psycho vs psycho....Cindy's press appearances vs boyfriend's #. Cindy telling casey it was her fault she was sitting in jail for what....LYING? she never takes it a step further, showing fear and upset that those lies concern her granddaughter....

in fact, she is as cold as casey in that first call after arrest....

IMO



best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

Bold mine and very respectfully snipped:

As usual Pru, GREAT post and spot on!

I bolded this particular paragraph because I have a question. Will Cindy be allowed in the court room if she is on the witness list BEFORE she testifies?

[Dells]

Casey to Tone 6:59 a.m.: I lied to everyone. What was I supposed to say? I trust my daughter some psycho. How does that look?


Wow....its more important how you look to other people than finding your missing 2 yr old daughter. I mean after all, your 2 yr old may be tortured, sold, murdered, molested, etc etc ..... but I understand how your worried that handing her to someone could make you look bad. We will worry about that first (sarcasm). GMAB!!!!!!!

I so agree w/you. Saying you entrusted your daughter to a psycho nanny that ended up kidnapping her at least sounds better than not reporting your daughter missing for 31 days and then lying to all your friends and family about her whereabouts.:sneaky: Casey's the psycho!:scared:

[cassidy]

Maybe Casey tries to wash off the guilty feeling she has or tried to get rid of the "unpleasantness" of the situation. Wonder what a psychiatrist would say about it.

i don't know but Shakespeare would say "out out damn spot". :biggrin:

[cassidy]

I so agree w/you. Saying you entrusted your daughter to a psycho nanny that ended up kidnapping her at least sounds better than not reporting your daughter missing for 31 days and then lying to all your friends and family about her whereabouts.:sneaky: Casey's the psycho!:scared:



Yep she admitted that for 31 days she left her daughter with a psycho rather then report her missing and try to find her. :shrug: Casey just isn't any too bright, is she?

[Postergeist]

Happened across this story which provides some additional information that don't think we've heard before. The stink in this case just gets stronger and stronger.

http://thinkingoutsidethecircle.wordpress.com/2009/01/10/overwhelming-evidence-in-case-against-casey-anthony-jim-hoover-is-rebutted-by-tim-miller-of-equusearch/

Sorry for the long address, couldn't figure a way to post it any other way.

wow- thanks for this link Red G- :thumbup: hadn't seen this one. I bookmarked it with my many other links. It's always nice to have one that is chockful of other additional links too.

This sure paints the odd PIs from the A's and Baez as possibly being complicit, which many have thought of since they surfaced.

imo

[Postergeist]

from Tone’s apartment.
Lee said they “were encouraged to dump those items out” and “the officer left”. Cindy saw her J.C.Penney’s card, $140 - $200 in twenties that Cindy put in her pocket, “another card she took from me”, the officer grabbed an ID that Lee said appeared to be the old type of driver’s license. Lee found and “took care of” the key to Amy’s car.
Pages 21 – 26 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1641627/...ee---Statement


MY BOLD

Does anyone know what this might be??? A fake ID???
A fake ID showing KC as ZFG???
Any guesses???

did this ever come out in the doc dump as to evidence entered? I'm thinking it did not.

I'm in your camp- it's a fake ID- maybe one she used before she was legal drinking age (except why still carry that around??)

maybe it is to one of her aliases- hopefully that will come out.

[Barbara fl.]

from Tone’s apartment.
Lee said they “were encouraged to dump those items out” and “the officer left”. Cindy saw her J.C.Penney’s card, $140 - $200 in twenties that Cindy put in her pocket, “another card she took from me”, the officer grabbed an ID that Lee said appeared to be the old type of driver’s license. Lee found and “took care of” the key to Amy’s car.
Pages 21 – 26 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1641627/...ee---Statement


MY BOLD

Does anyone know what this might be??? A fake ID???
A fake ID showing KC as ZFG???
Any guesses???




I forgot....did Cindy find that money in the car that was towed? or was it found after she found Casey at TonE's? Does anyone know?

[cassidy]

I forgot....did Cindy find that money in the car that was towed? or was it found after she found Casey at TonE's? Does anyone know?

IIRC she found it while going through Casey's purse with a police officer at home.

[margaritaville]

She had stated on some site one of her favorite shows was CSI, and like most shows, they skip around and have those pesky commercials. A typical viewer is able to connect the pieces follow the story. And although they jump around, there is always a sort of continuity...even at the end if you say 'I did not see that coming', in retrospect it makes sense. Casey and her story lack all sense, there is not one shred of continuity, logic...she just jumps around, comes up with whatever storyline she can for that moment, with no regard to continuity...everything is very fragmented.

imo


Okay (not sticking up for Casey) but don't you think that is because her story had to be changed numerous times as she see's that the cops are not buying it? If we had heard Casey's whole story beginning to end before we knew (there was no job, no nanny, no blackjack, no kidnapping, ect) about all the lies it probably would have made more sense. But even as she was trying to get out her story to the police she had to suddenly change things... Like as she was walking down the long hall at universal, she knew they knew she didn't work there..that changed the whole story... the dropping Caylee off at aprt 210..suddenly had to change to the bottom of the stairs......
Everything she had worked out in her mind had to quickly be changed as the story played out. Something I believe Casey never planned on. She was use to people believing her lies and not questioning her...She wasn't getting that this time...and she was Frustrated!! IMHO

[toadii]

and she had to have thought that was an impressive title-

since she added that to her resume!

Isn't it amazing how all of us seem to be able to "get inside Casey's head" and her own momma never tried! How many times did she tell reporters/interviewers "I'm not inside my daughter's head, I don't know what she's thinking".


btw- are drum sets really really popular in the Orlando area?
I mean, how many people that are of different genders happen to have the exact same musical instrument with the exact same living arrangement layout do you know?

what are the odds!

The drum set in Ricardo's appartment looked like one of those used with Rock Band, where you can play guitar, drums and sing among with the bands on an XBox video game.

Maybe Zanny, being a natural 10 with plenty of money, was refining her on stage skills utilizing the Rock Band for practice while keeping the children she was nannying entertained at the same time.

She already had beauty and money..maybe she was seeking fame as well. Casey did send out messages on her MYspace about Tone needing new acts. Maybe Casey promised to hook her up on the road to stardom.

You just never know.

[MorningGlory]

Desmom, I'll add my thanks to the many others for your dedication is posting these year ago updates. Although the links are there for us to find, it makes it so much easier to have them organized and handed to us like you have done!
In reading the detailed statement by LE of their "day of the red herrings" when Casey led them all over the place showing them her fantasy world of where non existant people and thier non existant relatives lived, where she (didn't) work, the non existant co workers thru whom she met the non existant nanny, it never fails to boggle my mind the detail and elaboration she gave, apparently with a straight face, to LE officers. She must have an extra large gallbladder to store up the unending supply of gall she shows (ok, I know that's not the purpose of a gallbladder, just can't imagine where else she could put it...:confused:) without any apparent fear or concern of what her next step would be once the current one was invalidated by the facts. When LE asked for her work number, she spewed out a number, complete with extension, right to the security man at Universal, who quite easliy verified it was invalid. When I read that, I kept wishing they had asked her to repeat it about a minute later to see if she could remember the number she just made up. I think it would have been hilarious to to hear her come up with a completely different number. To even have the nerve to give the security officer a fictitious name for her supervisor when she had to know he would be able to check employee listings to confirm there was no such person is just hard for me to imagine. Did she think if she just kept moving forward that somehow all these "mistruths" would come to be?????

On another note slightly OT, I saw another episode of J and K +8, and again, I cannot belive how much K and Cindy resemble each other, in both personality and appearance. When I see one, it is hard for me to imagine the other as being a separate person.....weird, and jmo

[Elle]

Okay (not sticking up for Casey) but don't you think that is because her story had to be changed numerous times as she see's that the cops are not buying it? If we had heard Casey's whole story beginning to end before we knew (there was no job, no nanny, no blackjack, no kidnapping, ect) about all the lies it probably would have made more sense. But even as she was trying to get out her story to the police she had to suddenly change things... Like as she was walking down the long hall at universal, she knew they knew she didn't work there..that changed the whole story... the dropping Caylee off at aprt 210..suddenly had to change to the bottom of the stairs......
Everything she had worked out in her mind had to quickly be changed as the story played out. Something I believe Casey never planned on. She was use to people believing her lies and not questioning her...She wasn't getting that this time...and she was Frustrated!! IMHO

You make some good points. Casey never thought she would actually be called out on her lies, no matter how fantastical they were, and the police were not buying any of it. The whole thing was like watching her drown herself, grasping for anything, ultimately going down. With everyone, well most everyone, her stories worked, whether they were believed or if the person just gave up and didn't want to deal with her, she never truly had to own up. This time, it was not working.

[kOOkie1]

I just wanted to say Thank you to Desmom as well. It has been wonderful of you and much appreciated!!!

[Tia]

Interesting...

From the Tone/Casey text messages linked above:

6:48 a.m.: ..... I need you

6:53 a.m.: Ive been filing reports all night and (I have been) driving around with multiple officers looking at old apartments I had taken her to. Everything.

6:59 a.m.: ..... What was I supposed to say?

7:01 a.m.: I was put in handcuffs for almost 10 minutes and (I) sat in the back of a cop car.

7:03 a.m. ....... I truly hope that you can forgive me..

7:13 a.m.: Yeah. Almost 12 hours of stuff. Finally (I am) getting a shower.

7:21 a.m.: If they don’t find her..guess who gets blamed and spends eternity in jail? (I get blamed.)

7:25 a.m.: I was scared to admit it

When reading this, the same thing popped out at me.

[Sun]

You make some good points. Casey never thought she would actually be called out on her lies, no matter how fantastical they were, and the police were not buying any of it. The whole thing was like watching her drown herself, grasping for anything, ultimately going down. With everyone, well most everyone, her stories worked, whether they were believed or if the person just gave up and didn't want to deal with her, she never truly had to own up. This time, it was not working.

One has to wonder why Cindy cannot let the words lie, liar, lying, steals, stealing, or thief slip from her lips when addressing a camera or giving an interview. Casey can sit at the defense table, in her ill-fitting clothes, with that expressionless look on her face. I think that a Jury will be able to weigh the facts, and put her behind bars for the rest of her life. Perhaps Lyon will create doubt that a death penalty should be handed down. But I think that by Casey telling all the lies that she has, she'll never be free in society again.

[Julie Dupree]

did this ever come out in the doc dump as to evidence entered? I'm thinking it did not.

I'm in your camp- it's a fake ID- maybe one she used before she was legal drinking age (except why still carry that around??)

maybe it is to one of her aliases- hopefully that will come out.

The story here may be one explaination of what the fake ID was.
Julie

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5395519/Info-on-a-Zenaida-My-Space-Created-by-Casey-Anthony

[Postergeist]

The story here may be one explaination of what the fake ID was.
Julie

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5395519/Info-on-a-Zenaida-My-Space-Created-by-Casey-Anthony

beautiful Julie! :wub:

(having some storms here, so I'm off and on)

I had read some on this connection around the sites, but never saw it laid out so well-

this would be very interesting- and could be part of what C asked Lee to delete on the laptop, any and all connection to this extra myspace created- she did seem to enjoy her imaginary lives, why not create another personality, online as well, along with a fake ID.

what a mastermind the A's created!

[Ellie]

The drum set in Ricardo's appartment looked like one of those used with Rock Band, where you can play guitar, drums and sing among with the bands on an XBox video game.

Maybe Zanny, being a natural 10 with plenty of money, was refining her on stage skills utilizing the Rock Band for practice while keeping the children she was nannying entertained at the same time.

She already had beauty and money..maybe she was seeking fame as well. Casey did send out messages on her MYspace about Tone needing new acts. Maybe Casey promised to hook her up on the road to stardom.

You just never know.

My bold.

Quick question... have we ever determined where, exactly, that picture with the drum set was taken? I was reading the 'one year ago today' link of Tone's interview with LE and he was saying that on of the 3 times Caylee was at his place, he had given her a set of drum sticks and she was drumming on (I think) Casey's leg with them. Just curious, maybe that picture really was taken at Tone's.

[desmom]

My bold.

Quick question... have we ever determined where, exactly, that picture with the drum set was taken? I was reading the 'one year ago today' link of Tone's interview with LE and he was saying that on of the 3 times Caylee was at his place, he had given her a set of drum sticks and she was drumming on (I think) Casey's leg with them. Just curious, maybe that picture really was taken at Tone's.


Ricardo Morales apartment per Casey's visit with her parents and Ricardo's interview with LE.

ETA ~ http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/04/ng.01.html

Cindy: I know the pictures of Caylee in Zanny`s apartment. Is Zanny`s apartments the one with the drums?

Casey: She had a drum set, yes.

Cindy: The one in the picture?

Casey: I think there are even other pictures. I told Lee to look through everything.

Cindy: OK. Is that Zanny`s apartment? Because I know whose apartment it is. Is it Zanny`s apartment?

Casey: That exact apartment, if that was Ricardo`s apartment, is set upon a lot like Zanny`s apartment.

I think the above conversation gives us some insight into how Cindy and Casey communicated. Casey skirted the question requiring Cindy to press on with more questions. I think this was the norm for the two of them.

jmo

[jammies]

You make some good points. Casey never thought she would actually be called out on her lies, no matter how fantastical they were, and the police were not buying any of it. The whole thing was like watching her drown herself, grasping for anything, ultimately going down. With everyone, well most everyone, her stories worked, whether they were believed or if the person just gave up and didn't want to deal with her, she never truly had to own up. This time, it was not working.


It sure wasn't. Her parents had covered up her dirty deeds up until the time Cindy made the third 9/11 call. I think Casey just assumed they would, once again, take care of things for her.

This is why she was so angry at them in the jail videos. They didn't GET HER OUT and make the bad LE go away. Cindy screwed up and I bet she regrets that third phone call to this day.

[Ellie]

Ricardo Morales apartment per Casey's visit with her parents and Ricardo's interview with LE.

ETA ~ http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/04/ng.01.html

Cindy: I know the pictures of Caylee in Zanny`s apartment. Is Zanny`s apartments the one with the drums?

Casey: She had a drum set, yes.

Cindy: The one in the picture?

Casey: I think there are even other pictures. I told Lee to look through everything.

Cindy: OK. Is that Zanny`s apartment? Because I know whose apartment it is. Is it Zanny`s apartment?

Casey: That exact apartment, if that was Ricardo`s apartment, is set upon a lot like Zanny`s apartment.

I think the above conversation gives us some insight into how Cindy and Casey communicated. Casey skirted the question requiring Cindy to press on with more questions. I think this was the norm for the two of them.

jmo

Oh, ok, thanks Des. I guess I thought Casey said it was taken in Zanny's apartment-- now I'm remembering her say Zanny's apart is "like" the one in the picture.

[Sun]

I wonder how Casey is celebrating her "1 year anniversary" in the Orange County Jail?

[alisa31235]

Oh, ok, thanks Des. I guess I thought Casey said it was taken in Zanny's apartment-- now I'm remembering her say Zanny's apart is "like" the one in the picture.

IMO that was so stupid you know she knew she was caught in a lie

[Julie Dupree]

IMO that was so stupid you know she knew she was caught in a lie

But it was to her mother, so it didnt count.
Julie

[Tia]

I wonder what would have happened if Casey had told them about Caylee. They had the car. Do you think they would have worked something out with Amy so she would not bring charges against Casey?
As good as this family is at inventing stories, I am sure they could have come up with one for what happened to Caylee.
I wonder???
Julie

Hi Julie,

I bet the Casey wishes she just told the truth. Now Cindy and Geo? I have to say that if Casey told the truth, they wouldn't be making the money they are, so this story worked out well for them at least.

[alisa31235]

But it was to her mother, so it didnt count.
Julie

thats right silly me :rolleyes: i bet cindy caught her often and just let it slide IMO

[Julie Dupree]

Hi Julie,

I bet the Casey wishes she just told the truth. Now Cindy and Geo? I have to say that if Casey told the truth, they wouldn't be making the money they are, so this story worked out well for them at least.
:) I think you are right about the year's vacation (with pay) that G and C have enjoyed...having their bills paid, becoming jet setters, getting a new boat...nice year for them.
I am not so sure about Casey. I dont think Casey would know the truth if it walked up and introduced itself to her. I think the truth sorta scares Casey because she doesnt know how to handle it. That is why she always tells a little bit of the truth in every lie, but mostly she tells things the way she is less threatened by and with.
JMO.
Julie

[apothecary]

Hi Julie,

I bet the Casey wishes she just told the truth. Now Cindy and Geo? I have to say that if Casey told the truth, they wouldn't be making the money they are, so this story worked out well for them at least.
I think Casey may have admitted to killing Caylee to Cindy,but probably convinced her that it was an accident,and because it was an accident it is not real murder in her mind or Cindy's.But since the duct tape evidence came out I really think the murder was deliberate,but Casey still is convinced in her own mind that it was an accident or that Caylee caused her own death and therefore Casey is not at fault.

[Dells]

Hi Julie,

I bet the Casey wishes she just told the truth. Now Cindy and Geo? I have to say that if Casey told the truth, they wouldn't be making the money they are, so this story worked out well for them at least.

I'm just wondering if Casey now wishes she would have pursued a plea deal from the very beginning? Her chance for making the best deal would have been before the body was found. I bet she could have gotten a deal w/considerably less prison time than she ultimately is going to get. Now she doesn't have any chance for a plea deal. I think the only plea deal the prosecution would give her is to take the DP off the table and just give her LWOP. Since she knows she will probably spend the rest of her life in prison, she has nothing to lose by taking this to trial, all the while sitting in protective custody in jail, instead of the big house. Of course, Casey could cease the pain, heartache, and suffering of her former friends and family if she would just admit what she did and get the inevitable over with, without this having to go to trial. But, Casey is all about Casey so she will take this as far as she can, thinking of nobody except for herself.

I think initially, Casey was trying to get out of this w/out being held accountable w/what happened to Caylee. I know Casey has always lied her way out of things before, but nothing as serious as this current situation. I just wonder w/all of the time she has to now reflect on things, if she wishes she would have done things differently?

[toadii]

My bold.

Quick question... have we ever determined where, exactly, that picture with the drum set was taken? I was reading the 'one year ago today' link of Tone's interview with LE and he was saying that on of the 3 times Caylee was at his place, he had given her a set of drum sticks and she was drumming on (I think) Casey's leg with them. Just curious, maybe that picture really was taken at Tone's.

Tone had a video game system so he might have had one as well.
Casey would have had the opportunity to take the picture at Rico's when she was playing up the mother-of-the year facade while in front of others. They had spent time with Rico at his apt.

TY desmom for the dailys.

Cindy was inside the apt when she confronted Casey (and never bothered searching for Caylee while she was there) so she would have at least seen the living room at that time.
But like I say, you never know. When Cindy asked Casey about the photo at the jail visit it was during the peak period of Anthony Code Speak, where Casey was giving all those hints because she was protecting her familly.

[Tia]

thats right silly me :rolleyes: i bet cindy caught her often and just let it slide IMO

Oh, I bet she did too alisa! Cindy is an accomplished liar, IMO........I would bet that in her mind, Casey's lies were probably "normal".

[Postergeist]

I wonder how Casey is celebrating her "1 year anniversary" in the Orange County Jail?

with her guy -oops- attorney of course

and maybe some Twizzlers!

:tonguewag:

[Sun]

Tone had a video game system so he might have had one as well.
Casey would have had the opportunity to take the picture at Rico's when she was playing up the mother-of-the year facade while in front of others. They had spent time with Rico at his apt.

TY desmom for the dailys.

Cindy was inside the apt when she confronted Casey (and never bothered searching for Caylee while she was there) so she would have at least seen the living room at that time.
But like I say, you never know. When Cindy asked Casey about the photo at the jail visit it was during the peak period of Anthony Code Speak, where Casey was giving all those hints because she was protecting her familly.

To me this screams that Cindy already knew that Caylee was dead. Common sense would tell you that you don't look for a dead body inside Tony's apt. Cindy had just called Casey out for lying about being in Jacksonville/Tampa or whatever, but to not question Casey's word about Caylee not being in the apartment just seems a hinky to me.

[Julie Dupree]

I'm just wondering if Casey now wishes she would have pursued a plea deal from the very beginning? Her chance for making the best deal would have been before the body was found. I bet she could have gotten a deal w/considerably less prison time than she ultimately is going to get. Now she doesn't have any chance for a plea deal. I think the only plea deal the prosecution would give her is to take the DP off the table and just give her LWOP. Since she knows she will probably spend the rest of her life in prison, she has nothing to lose by taking this to trial, all the while sitting in protective custody in jail, instead of the big house. Of course, Casey could cease the pain, heartache, and suffering of her former friends and family if she would just admit what she did and get the inevitable over with, without this having to go to trial. But, Casey is all about Casey so she will take this as far as she can, thinking of nobody except for herself.

I think initially, Casey was trying to get out of this w/out being held accountable w/what happened to Caylee. I know Casey has always lied her way out of things before, but nothing as serious as this current situation. I just wonder w/all of the time she has to now reflect on things, if she wishes she would have done things differently?

I think any deal she would have made would have to include where she put the body and I think she knew that what came out in December would have come out then. As far as her helping her family and friends, remember her saying "you dont understand what I am going thru...I have no one to comfort me".
Julie

[Sun]

with her guy -oops- attorney of course

and maybe some Twizzlers!

:tonguewag:

The media really could be nice to us, and publish Casey's latest commissary purchases and perhaps Casey's inmate visitor's log for 2009.

[alisa31235]

Oh, I bet she did too alisa! Cindy is an accomplished liar, IMO........I would bet that in her mind, Casey's lies were probably "normal".

I think Casey got away with a lot just to keep from having to deal with her.I mean she got away with a lot and kept all kind of things from Cindy not being able to graduate (i think i would have known if one of my boys would have been in that danger) being pregnant and Cindy didnt know come on thats just stupid but Cindy is a nurse of decomposition so maybe those kind of nurses dont know pregant when they see it IMO

[Postergeist]

But it was to her mother, so it didnt count.
Julie

:laugh: thanks for that reminder Julie- yes indeed- lies told to momma don't count-

and with Cindy's math- stealing "only one time" from numerous people don't count either, heck- there was no way that Casey would ever get any strikes against her from her mom.

Likely she was never grounded, never had to sit in the time out chair, never had any privileges revoked.

In fact it seems that with each and every bad behavior she got some sort of reward for it.

and here I always believed the old saw of crime doesn't pay

[Tia]

I think Casey got away with a lot just to keep from having to deal with her.I mean she got away with a lot and kept all kind of things from Cindy not being able to graduate (i think i would have known if one of my boys would have been in that danger) being pregnant and Cindy didnt know come on thats just stupid but Cindy is a nurse of decomposition so maybe those kind of nurses dont know pregant when they see it IMO

:laugh::laugh:

Good point!!!

[Julie Dupree]

:laugh: thanks for that reminder Julie- yes indeed- lies told to momma don't count-

and with Cindy's math- stealing "only one time" from numerous people don't count either, heck- there was no way that Casey would ever get any strikes against her from her mom.

Likely she was never grounded, never had to sit in the time out chair, never had any privileges revoked.

In fact it seems that with each and every bad behavior she got some sort of reward for it.

and here I always believed the old saw of crime doesn't pay

:) If you were to ask my 3 yr old granddaughter about the time out bench, she could tell you that telling a fib is not the best way to explain who put scotch tape on the cat's tail...she is learning that there are other ways to explain this.
Julie

[Postergeist]

The media really could be nice to us, and publish Casey's latest commissary purchases and perhaps Casey's inmate visitor's log for 2009.

I wonder why they have stopped doing that?

and hmmm- maybe the Twizzler thing didn't happen-

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1545073/casey_anthony_case_not_helped_with.html?cat=17

One reason Jose Baez may be "reserving" comment on the releases is the inclusion of a transcript of an interview with private investigator James Hoover. Hoover told investigators that he observed Jose Baez and Casey Anthony share a piece of red licorice "kind of like spaghetti thing." He said it made it look as if they were kissing through the intervening glass. One Orange County Jail official denies this because Baez and Anthony have never been separated by glass in their visits.

[Postergeist]

:) If you were to ask my 3 yr old granddaughter about the time out bench, she could tell you that telling a fib is not the best way to explain who put scotch tape on the cat's tail...she is learning that there are other ways to explain this.
Julie

:lol: omg too funny! The visual!

thankfully, your sweet grand did not use duct tape! I'm assuming the cat has forgiven her.

[msgatorslayer]

I wonder why they have stopped doing that?

and hmmm- maybe the Twizzler thing didn't happen-

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1545073/casey_anthony_case_not_helped_with.html?cat=17

One reason Jose Baez may be "reserving" comment on the releases is the inclusion of a transcript of an interview with private investigator James Hoover. Hoover told investigators that he observed Jose Baez and Casey Anthony share a piece of red licorice "kind of like spaghetti thing." He said it made it look as if they were kissing through the intervening glass. One Orange County Jail official denies this because Baez and Anthony have never been separated by glass in their visits.


ICK!barf

Gossip and rumors like this would not have ever started had the two of them not spent hours a day, for weeks, together in his office. IMO

[Sun]

I wonder why they have stopped doing that?

and hmmm- maybe the Twizzler thing didn't happen-

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1545073/casey_anthony_case_not_helped_with.html?cat=17

One reason Jose Baez may be "reserving" comment on the releases is the inclusion of a transcript of an interview with private investigator James Hoover. Hoover told investigators that he observed Jose Baez and Casey Anthony share a piece of red licorice "kind of like spaghetti thing." He said it made it look as if they were kissing through the intervening glass. One Orange County Jail official denies this because Baez and Anthony have never been separated by glass in their visits.


Or perhaps it happened, but not while Casey was in the jail? It's a story that creates drama, but easily could just be someone's imagination. Not real. Never happened. We will never know for sure.

[Dells]

I think any deal she would have made would have to include where she put the body and I think she knew that what came out in December would have come out then. As far as her helping her family and friends, remember her saying "you dont understand what I am going thru...I have no one to comfort me".
Julie

Bolding mine....

I know. But in the beginning she would have had much more credibility and she could have maybe explained why she did some of the things that she did. Maybe.

I guess things are working out the way they are supposed to because I think that Casey is 100% guilty of the charges against her. I hope she gets exactly what is coming to her. I think in some ways Casey knew that she had no choice but to have things play out the way they did. She knew she couldn't lead LE to Caylee because then they would know what a monster she was. Casey knew Caylee's body would tell a story, a horrific story, so that is why she is going w/the SODDI defense.

[bchand]

I wonder why they have stopped doing that?

and hmmm- maybe the Twizzler thing didn't happen-

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1545073/casey_anthony_case_not_helped_with.html?cat=17

One reason Jose Baez may be "reserving" comment on the releases is the inclusion of a transcript of an interview with private investigator James Hoover. Hoover told investigators that he observed Jose Baez and Casey Anthony share a piece of red licorice "kind of like spaghetti thing." He said it made it look as if they were kissing through the intervening glass. One Orange County Jail official denies this because Baez and Anthony have never been separated by glass in their visits.



I don't think that's how it went. Supposedly Hoover said Dominic Casey told him that HE saw this happen and HE told Baez he'd better not do that again. That's my recollection anyway. Hoover never went to the jail as far as I know.

[Postergeist]

ICK!barf

Gossip and rumors like this would not have ever started had the two of them not spent hours a day, for weeks, together in his office. IMO

well we know those hugs happened! (however, JB says he hugs all his clients)

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2008/10/the-casey-antho.html

WFTV's Mary Nguyen reported that Baez and Casey Anthony "were too friendly during their visit" and an officer had to separate them. WFTV reported that Baez said he didn't know the rules and pleaded with a guard not to write up the hugs. The guard wrote that Baez was "upset as he hugs all of his clients."

[Postergeist]

I don't think that's how it went. Supposedly Hoover said Dominic Casey told him that HE saw this happen and HE told Baez he'd better not do that again. That's my recollection anyway. Hoover never went to the jail as far as I know.

I'm not sure either- I just recall hearing about this months ago and did the eye roll, ranking it right up there with bro & sis high-fiving, etc.

If any one cares- this link has links to Hoover's video depo- would it be in there?

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/03/26/caseycaylee-anthony-case-pi-deposed-in-gonzalez-suit-implicates-abc-and-lee-anthony/

I don't have to time to view them- now that the storm has let up, I've got to get some errands done.


enjoyed chatting with everyone- keep up the good sleuthing!

:seeya:

[msgatorslayer]

well we know those hugs happened! (however, JB says he hugs all his clients)

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2008/10/the-casey-antho.html

WFTV's Mary Nguyen reported that Baez and Casey Anthony "were too friendly during their visit" and an officer had to separate them. WFTV reported that Baez said he didn't know the rules and pleaded with a guard not to write up the hugs. The guard wrote that Baez was "upset as he hugs all of his clients."

I still remember the way he shielded her with his manly arms and umbrella when she was sprung from jail during TS Fay, lol. Whispering sweet nothings into her hear. YUCK!!!

[bchand]

I'm not sure either- I just recall hearing about this months ago and did the eye roll, ranking it right up there with bro & sis high-fiving, etc.

If any one cares- this link has links to Hoover's video depo- would it be in there?

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/03/26/caseycaylee-anthony-case-pi-deposed-in-gonzalez-suit-implicates-abc-and-lee-anthony/

I don't have to time to view them- now that the storm has let up, I've got to get some errands done.


enjoyed chatting with everyone- keep up the good sleuthing!

:seeya:

Here's Hoover's depo with Morgan.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5087678/Casey-Anthony-James-hoover-deposition-March-25-09

Starts on Page 99 - Line 10

[Sun]

http://www.wftv.com/news/17854568/detail.html

Jose Baez Repeatedly Told To Stop Touching Casey During Jail Visits
Posted: 6:13 am EDT October 31, 2008


CASEY RENTED MURDER MOVIE ON DAY CAYLEE MAY HAVE DIED

June 16 is the date Caylee Anthony likely died. Eyewitness News retraced Casey Anthony's steps on that fateful day and talked to the man who saw Casey just hours after Caylee's death.

"No emotion, no tears and no regrets," is how Casey was described on that day of death, when she rented a movie about a kidnapper and killer just hours after, detectives believe, she murdered her daughter.

Never before seen surveillance photos show accused killer Casey Anthony and her boyfriend walking into an east Orange County Blockbuster (see map) just before 8:00pm on Monday June 16, just hours after her daughter Caylee was last seen alive by Casey's father at home.

[alisa31235]

I still remember the way he shielded her with his manly arms and umbrella when she was sprung from jail during TS Fay, lol. Whispering sweet nothings into her hear. YUCK!!!

YUCK i remember that too but i seem to remember one time when he went to her house and picked her up he seemed angry with "his girl" i cant remember what was going on at the time and i may be wrong IMO

[Sun]

Today is likely the one month anniversary of Caylee's death. Also the one year anniversary of Casey's incarceration in the Orange Country Jail.

[msgatorslayer]

YUCK i remember that too but i seem to remember one time when he went to her house and picked her up he seemed angry with "his girl" i cant remember what was going on at the time and i may be wrong IMO

Oh, I can't remember what it was either. But you're right. Something was going on and he wasn't happy. Someone here will remember.

[Sun]

Oh, I can't remember what it was either. But you're right. Something was going on and he wasn't happy. Someone here will remember.

This was the day following the 911 call that Casey made to report protestors.

[alisa31235]

This was the day following the 911 call that Casey made to report protestors.

Thanks I could not remember. I wish when Casey told the 911 operator that "this has to stop" the operator would have told her lieing needed to STOP

[Julie Dupree]

I know that originally Casey told LE she dropped Caylee off at the Sawgrass apartments on June 9, and that was the last time she saw her. Did she ever admit it was another date after it was determined she was with Cindy on June 15 and George supposely saw them the morning of June 16. Do we know if Caylee was with G and C the week of June 9-16?
Julie

[msgatorslayer]

This was the day following the 911 call that Casey made to report protestors.

:thumbsup: Oh yeah!! Probably wanted to ring her neck.

[Sun]

:thumbsup: Oh yeah!! Probably wanted to ring her neck.

The fact that she would dial 911 when she believed that the protestors needed arrested (without waiting 31 days), and not dial 911 to have a "nanny" tracked down and arrested for kidnapping her own child, is HUGE.

[Diney]

Do we wear the knot above our bfb (big fat bellies) or below?:rolleyes:


Now THIS was funny!!!! :laugh::laugh:

[Katprint]

To me this screams that Cindy already knew that Caylee was dead. Common sense would tell you that you don't look for a dead body inside Tony's apt. Cindy had just called Casey out for lying about being in Jacksonville/Tampa or whatever, but to not question Casey's word about Caylee not being in the apartment just seems a hinky to me.
While I agree that "common sense would tell you that you don't look for a dead body inside Tony's apt." because neither Tony nor his roommates would be OK with Casey storing corpses there, I respectfully disagree that this meant Cindy must have known Caylee was dead. Common sense would also tell you that bachelor Tony and his bachelor roommates would not have let Casey leave without taking her child with her, if her child was there. None of these men have ever described any occasion where any of them babysat Caylee; their only contact with Caylee was while Casey was there. I think Cindy would have known that Tony and his roommates would have objected to Casey trying to leave Caylee behind when Casey left with Cindy, if Caylee had been in there somewhere.

My opinion is that Cindy strongly suspected something was terribly wrong but was not 100% completely certain that Caylee was dead until Casey failed to produce an alive Caylee in order to get out of jail. Cindy may have held out some small hope that perhaps Casey had sold Caylee to an adoptive family (one of Lee's recorded statements indicates that Cindy had expressed this to Lee) or was up to some other similar shenanigans, and that Cindy could use the threat of prosecution/imprisonment to coerce Casey into telling Cindy where Caylee was so that Cindy could go and retrieve her. When it became apparent that Casey was truly not able to produce an alive Caylee, Cindy went into cover-up mode.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[msgatorslayer]

The fact that she would dial 911 when she believed that the protestors needed arrested (without waiting 31 days), and not dial 911 to have a "nanny" tracked down and arrested for kidnapping her own child, is HUGE.

She didn't have any resources of her own to handle the protesters.:laugh:

[Julie Dupree]

The fact that she would dial 911 when she believed that the protestors needed arrested (without waiting 31 days), and not dial 911 to have a "nanny" tracked down and arrested for kidnapping her own child, is HUGE.

No one ever accused her of knowing how to set priorities....:(
Julie

[Julie Dupree]

While I agree that "common sense would tell you that you don't look for a dead body inside Tony's apt." because neither Tony nor his roommates would be OK with Casey storing corpses there, I respectfully disagree that this meant Cindy must have known Caylee was dead. Common sense would also tell you that bachelor Tony and his bachelor roommates would not have let Casey leave without taking her child with her, if her child was there. None of these men have ever described any occasion where any of them babysat Caylee; their only contact with Caylee was while Casey was there. I think Cindy would have known that Tony and his roommates would have objected to Casey trying to leave Caylee behind when Casey left with Cindy, if Caylee had been in there somewhere.

My opinion is that Cindy strongly suspected something was terribly wrong but was not 100% completely certain that Caylee was dead until Casey failed to produce an alive Caylee in order to get out of jail. Cindy may have held out some small hope that perhaps Casey had sold Caylee to an adoptive family (one of Lee's recorded statements indicates that Cindy had expressed this to Lee) or was up to some other similar shenanigans, and that Cindy could use the threat of prosecution/imprisonment to coerce Casey into telling Cindy where Caylee was so that Cindy could go and retrieve her. When it became apparent that Casey was truly not able to produce an alive Caylee, Cindy went into cover-up mode.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

I completly missed this...where is as I am sure there are other things here that I missed also.
Thanks,
Julie

[jammies]

While I agree that "common sense would tell you that you don't look for a dead body inside Tony's apt." because neither Tony nor his roommates would be OK with Casey storing corpses there, I respectfully disagree that this meant Cindy must have known Caylee was dead. Common sense would also tell you that bachelor Tony and his bachelor roommates would not have let Casey leave without taking her child with her, if her child was there. None of these men have ever described any occasion where any of them babysat Caylee; their only contact with Caylee was while Casey was there. I think Cindy would have known that Tony and his roommates would have objected to Casey trying to leave Caylee behind when Casey left with Cindy, if Caylee had been in there somewhere.

My opinion is that Cindy strongly suspected something was terribly wrong but was not 100% completely certain that Caylee was dead until Casey failed to produce an alive Caylee in order to get out of jail. Cindy may have held out some small hope that perhaps Casey had sold Caylee to an adoptive family (one of Lee's recorded statements indicates that Cindy had expressed this to Lee) or was up to some other similar shenanigans, and that Cindy could use the threat of prosecution/imprisonment to coerce Casey into telling Cindy where Caylee was so that Cindy could go and retrieve her. When it became apparent that Casey was truly not able to produce an alive Caylee, Cindy went into cover-up mode.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions



While I agree Cindy didn't think Caylee was dead...what doesn't make sense is that she didn't tear that apt. apart for any evidence that Caylee had been there. She seemed to already know there was nothing of Caylee's to be found at Tony's. THAT is what I find very odd.

[cassidy]

While I agree that "common sense would tell you that you don't look for a dead body inside Tony's apt." because neither Tony nor his roommates would be OK with Casey storing corpses there, I respectfully disagree that this meant Cindy must have known Caylee was dead. Common sense would also tell you that bachelor Tony and his bachelor roommates would not have let Casey leave without taking her child with her, if her child was there. None of these men have ever described any occasion where any of them babysat Caylee; their only contact with Caylee was while Casey was there. I think Cindy would have known that Tony and his roommates would have objected to Casey trying to leave Caylee behind when Casey left with Cindy, if Caylee had been in there somewhere.

My opinion is that Cindy strongly suspected something was terribly wrong but was not 100% completely certain that Caylee was dead until Casey failed to produce an alive Caylee in order to get out of jail. Cindy may have held out some small hope that perhaps Casey had sold Caylee to an adoptive family (one of Lee's recorded statements indicates that Cindy had expressed this to Lee) or was up to some other similar shenanigans, and that Cindy could use the threat of prosecution/imprisonment to coerce Casey into telling Cindy where Caylee was so that Cindy could go and retrieve her. When it became apparent that Casey was truly not able to produce an alive Caylee, Cindy went into cover-up mode.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

I don't believe that Cindy even asked TonE or his roommate if they had seen Caylee or if they knew her whereabouts. IIRC the only thing she said to TonE is something to the effect of he'd better be rich because Casey was expensive. I do find her lack of curiosity about Caylee at the apartment to be odd. She didn't know these boys so she had no way of judging whether they'd hide Caylee for Casey.

[Sun]

While I agree that "common sense would tell you that you don't look for a dead body inside Tony's apt." because neither Tony nor his roommates would be OK with Casey storing corpses there, I respectfully disagree that this meant Cindy must have known Caylee was dead. Common sense would also tell you that bachelor Tony and his bachelor roommates would not have let Casey leave without taking her child with her, if her child was there. None of these men have ever described any occasion where any of them babysat Caylee; their only contact with Caylee was while Casey was there. I think Cindy would have known that Tony and his roommates would have objected to Casey trying to leave Caylee behind when Casey left with Cindy, if Caylee had been in there somewhere.

My opinion is that Cindy strongly suspected something was terribly wrong but was not 100% completely certain that Caylee was dead until Casey failed to produce an alive Caylee in order to get out of jail. Cindy may have held out some small hope that perhaps Casey had sold Caylee to an adoptive family (one of Lee's recorded statements indicates that Cindy had expressed this to Lee) or was up to some other similar shenanigans, and that Cindy could use the threat of prosecution/imprisonment to coerce Casey into telling Cindy where Caylee was so that Cindy could go and retrieve her. When it became apparent that Casey was truly not able to produce an alive Caylee, Cindy went into cover-up mode.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

To this day, I imagine that Cindy still holds onto hope that Caylee is alive. It is always hard to lose a family member to death, ....I've not seen this from Casey though. However, IMO Cindy already had plenty of clues that Caylee was indeed dead. Not sold, not stashed away somewhere, but dead. But, this is just my opinion.

[bchand]

I don't believe that Cindy even asked TonE or his roommate if they had seen Caylee or if they knew her whereabouts. IIRC the only thing she said to TonE is something to the effect of he'd better be rich because Casey was expensive. I do find her lack of curiosity about Caylee at the apartment to be odd. She didn't know these boys so she had no way of judging whether they'd hide Caylee for Casey.


I agree with both you and jammies.

It does not make sense that she didn't search that apt. She certainly isn't shy.

Amy couldn't have convinced her that Caylee wasn't there. She hardly knew Tony.

As far as Tony and/or his roommate not allowing Caylee to be left behind, Casey told them she'd be back.

[101Spots]

I had to throw this in here. The money-grubbing apparently never stops. I can see Cindy for years in the future doing this exact same thing.

Scott Peterson Asking for Donations for Appeal (http://cbs13.com/local/scott.peterson.donations.2.1087776.html)

Not one cent of my money. Not. One. Cent.

[bchand]

I completly missed this...where is as I am sure there are other things here that I missed also.
Thanks,
Julie

I'll bet you forgot half of what you know about this case. lol

Remember they said she might be in Puerto Rico and George said he hoped Caylee was with a loving family?

This goes with the "sold her" story of Caseys.


I just came across a term I'd never heard of which might apply to this family - folie à famille

http://resources.metapress.com/pdf-preview.axd?code=lxkvtkg3h0kv9jgm&size=largest

eta: a form of the psychopathological condition known as folie a deux, where all of the family members share the same delusions.

[cassidy]

I agree with both you and jammies.

It does not make sense that she didn't search that apt. She certainly isn't shy.
Amy couldn't have convinced her that Caylee wasn't there. She hardly knew Tony.

As far as Tony and/or his roommate not allowing Caylee to be left behind, Casey told them she'd be back.

How true. The Cindy we've all come to know and dislike would have put those kids under hot lights and interrogated them to get the information she wanted. The fact that she simply grabbed Casey and left leaves me to think she knew Caylee wasn't there. Not a chance of it.

[msgatorslayer]

I had to throw this in here. The money-grubbing apparently never stops. I can see Cindy for years in the future doing this exact same thing.

Scott Peterson Asking for Donations for Appeal (http://cbs13.com/local/scott.peterson.donations.2.1087776.html)

Not one cent of my money. Not. One. Cent.

Yeah, they'll spend the rest of their lives looking for the real nanny and seeking donations to prove Casey is innocent.:rolleyes:

[jammies]

I agree with both you and jammies.

It does not make sense that she didn't search that apt. She certainly isn't shy.

Amy couldn't have convinced her that Caylee wasn't there. She hardly knew Tony.

As far as Tony and/or his roommate not allowing Caylee to be left behind, Casey told them she'd be back.


I'm going to assume that Amy told Cindy that Casey had been staying at Tony's for awhile. Makes absolutely NO SENSE that she wouldn't have, at the very LEAST, drilled the boys about Caylee.
Putting myself in her position I would have not LEFT that apt. without going through it with a fine-tooth comb and GRILLING every person inside.
Nope. She was more worried about Casey's thieving ways. When did her worry about MONEY take over her previous worries concerning Caylee?

This family has a screwed up sense of priorities. When you step back and look back at the entire last year, what sticks out is MONEY MONEY MONEY. From beginning to end. Quite disturbing.

[jammies]

How true. The Cindy we've all come to know and dislike would have put those kids under hot lights and interrogated them to get the information she wanted. The fact that she simply grabbed Casey and left leaves me to think she knew Caylee wasn't there. Not a chance of it.



BINGO. Nothing about her little visit to Tony's has ever rung true for me.
Then again nothing they have done this entire year seems "normal". :rolleyes:


Why did it take HOURS for Cindy to FINALLY make those 911 calls? I would have dialed that number the minute I found my daughter without her child. 30 DAYS! What more did she need to know??

[msgatorslayer]

BINGO. Nothing about her little visit to Tony's has ever rung true for me.
Then again nothing they have done this entire year seems "normal". :rolleyes:


Why did it take HOURS for Cindy to FINALLY make those 911 calls? I would have dialed that number the minute I found my daughter without her child. 30 DAYS! What more did she need to know??

Cindy couldn't bring herself to tell a true-truth.

Can you see Cindy picking up the phone, saying, my Daughter's a POS? She stormed outta here with my Grand Daughter a month ago after we fought. She's been lying about where she's been. She hasn't taken anything of Caylee's with her. She's been stealing from me. Using my CC's. I found her car today and it smells like death. She won't tell me where my Caylee is and I'm worried something happened to her.

Cindy hasn't spoken her mind, the real truth, ever, when it comes to this case.

She started LYING right off the bat with her first phone call to LE.

She hasn't stopped since then.

She withholds the truth so that nobody knows.

[Julie Dupree]

Yeah, they'll spend the rest of their lives looking for the real nanny and seeking donations to prove Casey is innocent.:rolleyes:

I do not think they have done much searching for the real nanny, nor do I think they will do much searching for her in the future. What I do know is they are seeking donations from every source they can find. What I do not know is if it is, or will be used for Casey's defense. I am inclined to think it is not being used for that purpose.
Julie

[desmom]

--snipped--

My opinion is that Cindy strongly suspected something was terribly wrong but was not 100% completely certain that Caylee was dead until Casey failed to produce an alive Caylee in order to get out of jail. Cindy may have held out some small hope that perhaps Casey had sold Caylee to an adoptive family (one of Lee's recorded statements indicates that Cindy had expressed this to Lee) or was up to some other similar shenanigans, and that Cindy could use the threat of prosecution/imprisonment to coerce Casey into telling Cindy where Caylee was so that Cindy could go and retrieve her. When it became apparent that Casey was truly not able to produce an alive Caylee, Cindy went into cover-up mode.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Cindy's mother, Shirley Plesea, told LE something similar. page 7 line 11 http://www.wftv.com/blank/18974289/detail.html

You know what? She's out of control for one reason. If she doesn't believe Casey then Caylee's dead. Honest to God that's my feeling. If she could not believe Casey, believe in Casey, she'd have to accept the fact that Cay...Caylee might be dead, or would be dead, or whatever. That's that's the honest to God feeling I got and I've had it since she got out of control.

jmo

[msgatorslayer]

I do not think they have done much searching for the real nanny, nor do I think they will do much searching for her in the future. What I do know is they are seeking donations from every source they can find. What I do not know is if it is, or will be used for Casey's defense. I am inclined to think it is not being used for that purpose.
Julie

You're right in that they aren't spending time looking for the real killer now. Wasn't Cindy asked that question recently on the Today or Early Show? And she ho-hummed around as usual saying she was leaving everything up to everyone else. Their PI, etc.

But once Casey is convicted I think they will. It will go hand and hand with donations for appeals, the Caylee Foundation, etc all.

Or we may be completely shocked and they'll finally toss Casey under the bus and forget she exists, lol. Keeping the donations themselves and moving to the Bahamas.:tongueside:

[Julie Dupree]

[QUOTE=bchand;13287280]I'll bet you forgot half of what you know about this case. lol

Remember they said she might be in Puerto Rico and George said he hoped Caylee was with a loving family?

This goes with the "sold her" story of Caseys.


I just came across a term I'd never heard of which might apply to this family - folie à famille

http://resources.metapress.com/pdf-preview.axd?code=lxkvtkg3h0kv9jgm&size=largest

eta: a form of the psychopathological condition known as folie a deux, where all of the family members share the same delusions.[/QUOTE

Thanks bchand. I will try to find that site.
I have heard of condition, but have never encountered a family before now that even comes close to a perfect example of this condition.
Julie

[onlykaty]

Tony must have thought he was in the twilight zone. Here is someone who's daughter was 'kidnapped' and not once does she even feign concern for Caylee.
Spending eternity in jail seems to be whats on her mind....and rightfully so. I would like to add that jail should not be the only place she worries about spending eternity.
I would also like to add that I find her use of the word blamed, and admit interesting.
12 hours of 'stuff'...'finally' able to take a shower...

she disgusts me.

Here's another question I have, I wonder why she did text Tone instead of calling him? I can only come up with she didn't know what his reaction would be, but don't you think she would be more convincing to call him instead of texting? I know she didn't have much to work with, for crap sakes how do you explain not reporting your childs missing for 31 days..Its odd also later once she's arrested she wants Tone's number to call him. What could she possible have to say then. By this time none of her friends wanted to talk to her..


jmo

[Sun]

BINGO. Nothing about her little visit to Tony's has ever rung true for me.
Then again nothing they have done this entire year seems "normal". :rolleyes:


Why did it take HOURS for Cindy to FINALLY make those 911 calls? I would have dialed that number the minute I found my daughter without her child. 30 DAYS! What more did she need to know??

6:35 PM - Cindy meets Amy at the mall.

7:05 PM - Cindy and Amy arrive at Tony's

7:20 PM - Cindy, KC and Amy leave Tony's to drop Amy off at Ricardo's

8:08 PM - Cindy calls 911 to report KC for stealing the car and money. 911 operator advises her to return home.

8:44 PM - Cindy places second 911 call

9:41 PM - Cindy places final 911 call saying Caylee has been kidnapped and describing the smell in the car.

9:42 PM - George arrives home as Cindy is in the call and finds her crying in the garage.

9:55 PM - Law enforcement arrives.

[Julie Dupree]

Cindy couldn't bring herself to tell a true-truth.

Can you see Cindy picking up the phone, saying, my Daughter's a POS? She stormed outta here with my Grand Daughter a month ago after we fought. She's been lying about where she's been. She hasn't taken anything of Caylee's with her. She's been stealing from me. Using my CC's. I found her car today and it smells like death. She won't tell me where my Caylee is and I'm worried something happened to her.
Cindy hasn't spoken her mind, the real truth, ever, when it comes to this case.

She started LYING right off the bat with her first phone call to LE.

She hasn't stopped since then.

She withholds the truth so that nobody knows.

Imagine how differently this story would be today if this had been the story that was told during that call?
Julie

[Pruddennce]

I don't believe that Cindy even asked TonE or his roommate if they had seen Caylee or if they knew her whereabouts. IIRC the only thing she said to TonE is something to the effect of he'd better be rich because Casey was expensive. I do find her lack of curiosity about Caylee at the apartment to be odd. She didn't know these boys so she had no way of judging whether they'd hide Caylee for Casey.

with that aside, what is more curious is this one glaring fact:

Cindy did not even mention to Casey, GET CAYLEE's things. while Casey had already set the stage for the child being at the nanny's, day in, day out, while she 'worked', she also told Cindy she was out travelling around with Caylee and while she was 'working', Caylee was being watched. this was early evening when Cindy arrived at Tony's. why didnt she ask Casey WHY ARENT YOU WITH CAYLEE?

why would Cindy view that scene as ok?

Casey is lounging around on a computer in her BF's apt and her daughter is NOWHERE in her mother's sights? Cindy claims for all she knew, Casey had a job, that was part of her excuses. well, she wasnt working at that precise moment in time...there was no reason for Caylee to be with someone else after the workday.

yet, Cindy starts screaming for her to get 'her things', not a word about caylee, only a snide remark to Tony about MONEY....and off she goes.

its more than curious. CIndy was advised by Junior PI Lee she was local on July 3rd. it took an abandoned car and a monetary jolt to her purse to track her down, a car she was supposed to be driving Caylee around in for a month....

Cindy's lack of action is astounding. wave a bill for payment in front of her, she jumps with anger and reacts....never hearing her granddaughter's voice again, all the way up to 'car day', she did nothing but ask Lee to 'find her', which yielded 'she's local'...and then he dropped it.

Cindy made zero efforts to call anyone she knew. no efforts to contact her hot body club she was associated with. Lee knew what was happening on her webpage and what she was doing and how active she was. IMO, he was covering for her behaviour without concern for Caylee's wellbeing. IMO *he took her word for it, Caylee's fine*.

a liar and thief and they still acquiesced to her. incredible.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[Bala]

The fact that Casey presumed that the nanny kidnapped Caylee has always spoke volumes to me. If I showed up to pick up my child from the sitters and no one was there or showed up for hrs. the first thing I would think of is that there had been an accident or Caylee had been hurt and taken to the hospital. I would be calling the police to see if there had been and accident and calling every hospital ion Florida to see if Caylee or Zanny had been brought in. Why not call her father the ex cop for help on what to do? Why would she assume the nanny had taken her?

[msgatorslayer]

Here's another question I have, I wonder why she did text Tone instead of calling him? I can only come up with she didn't know what his reaction would be, but don't you think she would be more convincing to call him instead of texting? I know she didn't have much to work with, for crap sakes how do you explain not reporting your childs missing for 31 days..Its odd also later once she's arrested she wants Tone's number to call him. What could she possible have to say then. By this time none of her friends wanted to talk to her..


jmo

Texting isn't as personal, IMO. She could hesitate and think of an answer before responding. If you read their messages, she doesn't really answer anything. She changes the subject. Talks about herself alot.

[jammies]

Cindy couldn't bring herself to tell a true-truth.

Can you see Cindy picking up the phone, saying, my Daughter's a POS? She stormed outta here with my Grand Daughter a month ago after we fought. She's been lying about where she's been. She hasn't taken anything of Caylee's with her. She's been stealing from me. Using my CC's. I found her car today and it smells like death. She won't tell me where my Caylee is and I'm worried something happened to her.

Cindy hasn't spoken her mind, the real truth, ever, when it comes to this case.

She started LYING right off the bat with her first phone call to LE.

She hasn't stopped since then.

She withholds the truth so that nobody knows.



Only once did she tell the truth....3rd call. Then spent every waking moment after that kicking LE, media, searchers, etc., when she was really angry at herself.

She never wanted to know the truth and did everything in her power (and still does) to distance herself from that one call that will haunt her for the rest of her life.

[desmom]

IMO, Cindy did not search Tone's apartment because Casey told Cindy in the hallway outside of Tone's apartment Caylee was with the nanny.

Amy told LE on page 40 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/08%20Amy%20Huizenga%20July%2023,%202008.pdf

Amy: And I mean I heard everything. Even when I finally, because I go, initially got in the corner. Was like in the corner because I had pretty much knocked on the door to get Casey to come out. Motioned her mom over and got stuck in a corner for a few minutes with them yelling like right here. And I finally wiggled my way to go sit on the stairs, but I mean they're my ride. I couldn't go terribly far.

Uhm, and you know was fortunately, slash, unfortunately able to hear all of what was happening. But it was a lot of just mother/daughter yelling at each other. You know, "You're lying about me". She had told her mom that she was in Jacksonville that day...and she wasn't. And you know...

LE: Any challenges about the child thought. Was grandma challenging her about the location of the child?

Amy: She just, she just kept saying, "You are taking me to Caylee now." And Casey was like, "She's fine. She's with the nanny." And Mrs. Anthony was like, "Then if she is then we're just going to go see her." She's like, "I want to see my granddaughter. I want to be selfish. I want to see my granddaughter." She's like, "You are taking her to me now."... And pretty much forced, you know, Casey to, in the car. And they dropped me off .....................

[msgatorslayer]

Imagine how differently this story would be today if this had been the story that was told during that call?
Julie

We probably wouldn't still be discussing this case, a year later, lol.

[msgatorslayer]

Did she ask Lee for Tone's number because she really didn't know it (by heart), or because it was programmed into her cell and she couldn't remember his speed dial number, or what? I'm old and didn't have a cellphone as a teen, but I know I could always remember my boyfriend's number. That has always seemed odd to me though, and when Lee said "um, why do you want to call him" or whatever, Casey says, "well, he's my boyfriend..." Lee seemed disgusted to me. imo.

I think it was programmed in her phone and she couldn't remember it.

I wish LE would have gotten TonE to communicate with her after that. Just to see what she would have told him. I imagine she'd moan and whine about being 'arrested on a friggin whim'. She may have told him not to talk to her parents. Or try to pick his brain on things they did those 30 days to get a feel for how observant he was with dates, etc.

[jammies]

IMO, Cindy did not search Tone's apartment because Casey told Cindy in the hallway outside of Tone's apartment Caylee was with the nanny.

Amy told LE on page 40 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/08%20Amy%20Huizenga%20July%2023,%202008.pdf

Amy: And I mean I heard everything. Even when I finally, because I go, initially got in the corner. Was like in the corner because I had pretty much knocked on the door to get Casey to come out. Motioned her mom over and got stuck in a corner for a few minutes with them yelling like right here. And I finally wiggled my way to go sit on the stairs, but I mean they're my ride. I couldn't go terribly far.

Uhm, and you know was fortunately, slash, unfortunately able to hear all of what was happening. But it was a lot of just mother/daughter yelling at each other. You know, "You're lying about me". She had told her mom that she was in Jacksonville that day...and she wasn't. And you know...

LE: Any challenges about the child thought. Was grandma challenging her about the location of the child?

Amy: She just, she just kept saying, "You are taking me to Caylee now." And Casey was like, "She's fine. She's with the nanny." And Mrs. Anthony was like, "Then if she is then we're just going to go see her." She's like, "I want to see my granddaughter. I want to be selfish. I want to see my granddaughter." She's like, "You are taking her to me now."... And pretty much forced, you know, Casey to, in the car. And they dropped me off .....................


I don't buy that Cindy believed in Zanny the Nanny. She's a lot of things but she's not stupid. She was playing along with Casey's games..... still! They are all flippin' NUTZ!

[bchand]

Texting isn't as personal, IMO. She could hesitate and think of an answer before responding. If you read their messages, she doesn't really answer anything. She changes the subject. Talks about herself alot.

Another thought I had is that others in the house might be able to hear at least her side of the conversation if she had used the phone.

[onlykaty]

Cindy's mother, Shirley Plesea, told LE something similar. page 7 line 11 http://www.wftv.com/blank/18974289/detail.html

You know what? She's out of control for one reason. If she doesn't believe Casey then Caylee's dead. Honest to God that's my feeling. If she could not believe Casey, believe in Casey, she'd have to accept the fact that Cay...Caylee might be dead, or would be dead, or whatever. That's that's the honest to God feeling I got and I've had it since she got out of control.

jmo

I think Cindy's mom hit the nail on the head with that statement, if she didn't beleive Casey then she would have to beleive Caylee was gone for good. I think thats what she is still doing, the nanny did it and no matter what a jury says she will never admit to anything differently, Cindy will never imo let reality sink in. Sometimes I'm sure Shirley would just like to shake Cindy and make her wake up to the fact that Casey is DUN and Caylee is gone forever to them by the hands of thier "own" daughter...jmo

[summer]

I think Cindy's mom hit the nail on the head with that statement, if she didn't beleive Casey then she would have to beleive Caylee was gone for good. I think thats what she is still doing, the nanny did it and no matter what a jury says she will never admit to anything differently, Cindy will never imo let reality sink in. Sometimes I'm sure Shirley would just like to shake Cindy and make her wake up to the fact that Casey is DUN and Caylee is gone forever to them by the hands of thier "own" daughter...jmo

Maybe I'm just a mean old cynic but I will never believe Cindy is in *denial*. She a very smart and conniving woman in my opinion, and she knows exactly which end is up. In my opinion.

[desmom]

Did she ask Lee for Tone's number because she really didn't know it (by heart), or because it was programmed into her cell and she couldn't remember his speed dial number, or what? I'm old and didn't have a cellphone as a teen, but I know I could always remember my boyfriend's number. That has always seemed odd to me though, and when Lee said "um, why do you want to call him" or whatever, Casey says, "well, he's my boyfriend..." Lee seemed disgusted to me. imo.

Speed dial and cell phone memory makes us lazy. IMO, unless Casey called Tone from a landline phone on a regular basis or manually dialed his number, she would not be able to rattle off his phone number.

[msgatorslayer]

Another thought I had is that others in the house might be able to hear at least her side of the conversation if she had used the phone.

Definately! Her Daughter's missing, LE's on it, and here she is, talking to her BF about finally getting a shower.:rolleyes:

[msgatorslayer]

Speed dial and cell phone memory makes us lazy. IMO, unless Casey called Tone from a landline phone on a regular basis or manually dialed his number, she would not be able to rattle off his phone number.

ITA - I don't know my own house number.:blushing:

[onlykaty]

Texting isn't as personal, IMO. She could hesitate and think of an answer before responding. If you read their messages, she doesn't really answer anything. She changes the subject. Talks about herself alot.

Yep, i can see its all about her and it does give her time to think about what she wants to say next. I guess I just had in my mind she could have broke down sobbing and maybe got a little support from him. Its obvious by now though that Casey can't even work up a tear for Caylee only tears she has is for her own sorry butt..

[desmom]

I don't buy that Cindy believed in Zanny the Nanny. She's a lot of things but she's not stupid. She was playing along with Casey's games..... still! They are all flippin' NUTZ!

Yeah I don't think Cindy believed the nanny story either, but I think it would be very difficult for any mother to even entertain the idea that their 22 year old daughter would murder anyone...especially their own child. jmo

[msgatorslayer]

Yep, i can see its all about her and it does give her time to think about what she wants to say next. I guess I just had in my mind she could have broke down sobbing and maybe got a little support from him. Its obvious by now though that Casey can't even work up a tear for Caylee only tears she has is for her own sorry butt..

Us non-psychos are perplexed that she doesn't even fake fear, sadness, or worry, for her Daughter. She's just not capable though. Cause she doesn't have any of those emotions and doesn't see the importance. They're useless emotions, in her mind.

[onlykaty]

Maybe I'm just a mean old cynic but I will never believe Cindy is in *denial*. She a very smart and conniving woman in my opinion, and she knows exactly which end is up. In my opinion.

Your not a mean old cynic at all, in fact your probably right, its just so hard for me to beleive that none of them are thinking of Caylee. :sad:

To be honest and I'm not a violent person but I'd like to slap Cindy around a little myself and ask her what about CAYLEE?

[Citygirl]

You're right in that they aren't spending time looking for the real killer now. Wasn't Cindy asked that question recently on the Today or Early Show? And she ho-hummed around as usual saying she was leaving everything up to everyone else. Their PI, etc.

But once Casey is convicted I think they will. It will go hand and hand with donations for appeals, the Caylee Foundation, etc all.

Or we may be completely shocked and they'll finally toss Casey under the bus and forget she exists, lol. Keeping the donations themselves and moving to the Bahamas.:tongueside:


Good post..and I bet as soon as the jig is really up..The Guilty Verdict..
the money will be dryin up by then and Cindy will write a tell all book about a poor mother and grandmother..what was she to do..lovin both her girls so much..
I bet she is already searchin for a publisher/editor/agent..
her and hubby have learned how to spend their time other than goin to work for a livin and they are gettin older as we speak..they will need lots of money to support the lifestyle they have now..JMO

[onlykaty]

Good post..and I bet as soon as the jig is really up..The Guilty Verdict..
the money will be dryin up by then and Cindy will write a tell all book about a poor mother and grandmother..what was she to do..lovin both her girls so much..
I bet she is already searchin for a publisher/editor/agent..
her and hubby have learned how to spend their time other than goin to work for a livin and they are gettin older as we speak..they will need lots of money to support the lifestyle they have now..JMO

To say the entire Anthony family is dysfunctional would be putting it midly. I hope by the time this trial is over and Casey is convicted not a single person would buy a book any of them wrote.

well the kitchen is calling me. bbl

[margaritaville]

Maybe I'm just a mean old cynic but I will never believe Cindy is in *denial*. She a very smart and conniving woman in my opinion, and she knows exactly which end is up. In my opinion.


ITA... And I will take this one step further by saying that I think Ca and GA standing up for Casey is only because Casey has something on them.

Remember the jail visit where Cindy tells Casey they forgive her for anything she had said or done and Casey replied "don't worry, I didn't say anything" in a really cocky/snotty voice......

Casey is covering up something.....And I am thinking that as long as Ca and GA stay on her side she will not say anything.....

I think this also goes to JB's statement that he had said that the truth will come out at trial and has insinuated that the real story will be a stunner. It’s apparently SO shocking that it will cause us all to go down on our knees to beg forgiveness for even entertaining the idea that the saintly martyr, Casey, could have possibly hurt her own daughter. We will all know beyond a shadow of a doubt that Casey Anthony was and is the “Mother Of The Year”–at the trial.

[Pam1569]

Sorry to break into the conversation watching wesh and they just said Baez is fighting for more documents not to be released.

Went to the clerk's office and this was done today

7/16/2009 A BRIEF IN SUPPORT OF DEFENDANT'S MOTION TO BAR PRIVILEGED TESTIMONY OF MR. LEONARD PADILLA, MR. TONY PADILLA, MS. TRACY MCLAUGHLIN, & MR. ROBERT DICK. EXHIBIT A (PRIVACY AGREEMENT) ATTACHED.

7/16/2009 A BRIEF IN SUPPORT OF DEFENDANT'S MOTION TO BAR PRIVILEGED TESTIMONY OF MR. LEONARD PADILLA, MR. TONY PADILLA, MS. TRACY MCLAUGHLIN, & MR. ROBERT DICK. STATEMENT OF FACTS/ARGUMENT/CONCLUSION.

7/16/2009 A APPENDICES IN SUPPORT OF DEFENDANT'S MOTION FOR CERTIFICATION OF TIMOTHY MILLER AS A MATERIAL WITNESS IN THE INSTANT PROSECUTION, OR IN THE ALTERNATIVE APPLICATION FOR SUBPOENA FOR DOCUMENTS IN TH POSSESSION OF TEXAS EQUUSEARCH TABLE OF APPENDICES A THROUGH L ATTACHED W/DOCUMENTS.

7/16/2009 A CERTIFICATE OF OF MATERIALITY OF AN OUT OF STATE WITNESS

7/16/2009 A MEMORANDUM OF LAW IN SUPPORT OF DEFENDANT'S MOTION FOR CERTIFICATION OF TIMOTHY MILLER AS A MATERIAL WITNESS IN THE INSTANT PROSECUTION, OR IN THE ALTERNATIVE APPLICATION FOR SUBPOENA FOR DOCUMENTS IN THE POSSESSION OF TEXAS EQUUSEARCH

7/16/2009 A MOTION FOR PROTECTIVE ORDER AND TO BAR PRIVILEGED TESTIMONY OF MR. LEONARD PADILLA, MR. TONY PADILLA, MS. TRACY MCLAUGHLIN, & MR. ROBERT DICK

7/16/2009 A DEFENDANT'S MOTION TO CERTIFY TIMOTHY MILLER AS A MATERIAL WITNESS IN THE INSTANT PROSECUTION, OR IN THE ALTERNATIVE APPLICATION FOR SUBPOENA DUCES TECUM FOR DOCUMENTS IN THE POSSESSION OF TEXAS EQUUSEARCH

7/16/2009 A NOTICE OF PROVISION OF SUPPLEMENTAL DISCOVERY

7/16/2009 A NOTICE OF PROVISION OF SUPPLEMENTAL DISCOVERY

Just thought all of you should know what is being said tonight on the news.

Sorry have to go for now.BBL :smile:

ETA: Forget the check/fraud case

7/16/2009 A MISS ANTHONY'S RESPONSE TO MOTION FOR DETERMINATION OF NEW TRIAL DATE. APPENDICES TO MISS ANTHONY'S RESPONSE TO MOTION FOR DETERMINATION OF NEW TRIAL DATE WITH EXHIBITS A THROUGH D ATTACHED.

Sorry about that.

[anon-o-miss]

YUCK i remember that too but i seem to remember one time when he went to her house and picked her up he seemed angry with "his girl" i cant remember what was going on at the time and i may be wrong IMO
I believe someone pointed out a while back, the da he was upset with Casey, was the day after she had called 911 on the protestors lol. Even Baez knew that was not a good idea on her part.

[Dells]

This was the day following the 911 call that Casey made to report protestors.

Oh yes, no wonder JB was mad at her. Casey couldn't call 911 to report that the nanny had kidnapped her daughter, but she had absolutely no problem calling 911 on the protesters outside her parents house.:rolleyes:

[Sun]

Thank you so much Pam!!!! I'm hoping that some links may be available later so that we can read those docuemnts that have been filed.

[Dells]

The fact that she would dial 911 when she believed that the protestors needed arrested (without waiting 31 days), and not dial 911 to have a "nanny" tracked down and arrested for kidnapping her own child, is HUGE.

Yep, I think so too. It kinda takes away the credibility of the statement that Casey didn't/wouldn't/couldn't call 911 when the nanny kidnapped Caylee because she was afraid of what the nanny would do if she called the authorities on her. Not that the statement had much credibility or believability before, but still....:rolleyes:

[anon-o-miss]

While I agree that "common sense would tell you that you don't look for a dead body inside Tony's apt." because neither Tony nor his roommates would be OK with Casey storing corpses there, I respectfully disagree that this meant Cindy must have known Caylee was dead. Common sense would also tell you that bachelor Tony and his bachelor roommates would not have let Casey leave without taking her child with her, if her child was there. None of these men have ever described any occasion where any of them babysat Caylee; their only contact with Caylee was while Casey was there. I think Cindy would have known that Tony and his roommates would have objected to Casey trying to leave Caylee behind when Casey left with Cindy, if Caylee had been in there somewhere.

My opinion is that Cindy strongly suspected something was terribly wrong but was not 100% completely certain that Caylee was dead until Casey failed to produce an alive Caylee in order to get out of jail. Cindy may have held out some small hope that perhaps Casey had sold Caylee to an adoptive family (one of Lee's recorded statements indicates that Cindy had expressed this to Lee) or was up to some other similar shenanigans, and that Cindy could use the threat of prosecution/imprisonment to coerce Casey into telling Cindy where Caylee was so that Cindy could go and retrieve her. When it became apparent that Casey was truly not able to produce an alive Caylee, Cindy went into cover-up mode.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

(bolding mine)
It drives me absolutely bonkers that Cindy always touts Casey as being a "wonderful loving mother that deserves to be mother of the year." Yet what does she think happened when Caylee was missing? Well the first thing they do is look in the backyard to see if maybe Casey had buried Caylee back there, then they jump to the conclusion she must have sold her. I wonder what Cindy's definition of a wonderful loving mother is, and exactly what requirements have to be met to be mother of the year? :shrug:

[Pam1569]

Thank you so much Pam!!!! I'm hoping that some links may be available later so that we can read those docuemnts that have been filed.

Hi Sun, They just posted the story on their site.

http://www.wesh.com/news/20079093/detail.html

[anon-o-miss]

She didn't have any resources of her own to handle the protesters.:laugh:
:lol: I think you are potentially right.

[Sun]

Sounds like the State has released interviews from LPadilla and his crew to the defense. And, the defense is wanting to prevent those interviews from being made public (Sunshine Law). Or is the defense asking that those interviews be not allowed at all? I'm a bit confused.

[Sun]

Here is the latest entry on the Clerk of Courts records pertaining to the Criminal check/fraud charges. I hope that the media will soon publish some of these latest filings.

7/16/2009 A MISS ANTHONY'S RESPONSE TO MOTION FOR DETERMINATION OF NEW TRIAL DATE. APPENDICES TO MISS ANTHONY'S RESPONSE TO MOTION FOR DETERMINATION OF NEW TRIAL DATE WITH EXHIBITS A THROUGH D ATTACHED.

[Sun]

http://www.wftv.com/news/20079504/detail.html

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Late Thursday afternoon, the defense in the case against Casey Anthony filed motions to delay Casey's check fraud trial and keep Leonard Padilla from talking about their conversations while he was involved in Casey's case.

The defense also received 800 pages of documents, much of which focused on Casey's ex-fiancé, Jesse Grund.

The documents included Grund's personnel file from the Orlando Police Department and lab reports on evidence from Casey's car.

[anon-o-miss]

BINGO. Nothing about her little visit to Tony's has ever rung true for me.
Then again nothing they have done this entire year seems "normal". :rolleyes:


Why did it take HOURS for Cindy to FINALLY make those 911 calls? I would have dialed that number the minute I found my daughter without her child. 30 DAYS! What more did she need to know??
I wondered why they didn't call the police right away knowing the smell of decomp was in the car and knowing that no one had heard from Caylee in a month. No Cindy was less interested in where Caylee was and more interested in hearing Casey's explanations. This bothers me so much that everyone in that family was more concerned about outside appearances than getting to the truth.
True story: My brother and I drove over to my mothers house and when we arrived her garage doors (outer and inner) were wide open and there was no sign of my mother. I tried to call her cell phone several times and it went straight to voicemail. I was hysterical. I called 911 immediately they came out to her house while they were they my cell phone rings... It was my mother. She had decided to go visit a friend and went through a bad reception area thats why her phone went to voicemail. As for her doors being wide open? Apparently she had hired someone to do some work for her and when they left they just left everything wide open. My first thought was not to wait around for an explanation, nor was it what my mom would say when she found out police officers were looking through her house for clues to her whereabouts. I wasn't worried about what the neighbors would think... I just knew I could not find my mother and her doors were wide open (something she would never do.) Was she thrilled to have police officers going through her things ummm no. :laugh: Was she upset with me? No. She understood and told me she would have done the same thing, but she was fine so tell them to stop going through her stuff:lol:

[Dells]

Hi Sun, They just posted the story on their site.

http://www.wesh.com/news/20079093/detail.html

Thanks for the link. :seeya:

Very interesting. I bet we see a court hearing going over these issues in the near future. I wonder if JB will be successful in keeping them sealed?

[msgatorslayer]

http://www.wftv.com/news/20079504/detail.html

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Late Thursday afternoon, the defense in the case against Casey Anthony filed motions to delay Casey's check fraud trial and keep Leonard Padilla from talking about their conversations while he was involved in Casey's case.

The defense also received 800 pages of documents, much of which focused on Casey's ex-fiancé, Jesse Grund.

The documents included Grund's personnel file from the Orlando Police Department and lab reports on evidence from Casey's car.

{sniff-sniff} Can you smell it? I smell a doc dump.:drool:

[bchand]

Thank you so much Pam!!!! I'm hoping that some links may be available later so that we can read those docuemnts that have been filed.

I found it hysterical that NOW they want to shut Lenny up.

[anon-o-miss]

Cindy couldn't bring herself to tell a true-truth.

Can you see Cindy picking up the phone, saying, my Daughter's a POS? She stormed outta here with my Grand Daughter a month ago after we fought. She's been lying about where she's been. She hasn't taken anything of Caylee's with her. She's been stealing from me. Using my CC's. I found her car today and it smells like death. She won't tell me where my Caylee is and I'm worried something happened to her.

Cindy hasn't spoken her mind, the real truth, ever, when it comes to this case.

She started LYING right off the bat with her first phone call to LE.

She hasn't stopped since then.

She withholds the truth so that nobody knows.
(bolding mine)
:lol: True-truth... Love it!!!!
You captured what she should have said in call numero uno to a tee. Two calls about money vaguely refrencing a child who may or may not be missing:rolleyes:. Even the 911 operator was shocked, "you haven't reported her missing?" Cindy got snarky,"I'm trying to do that now ma'am." How dare anyone question the actions of the honorable Anthony's:scared:.

[Sun]

Thanks for the link. :seeya:

Very interesting. I bet we see a court hearing going over these issues in the near future. I wonder if JB will be successful in keeping them sealed?

The wording of the new entries on the Clerk of Courts files is giving me the impression that these have been drafted by Lyon, or at her direction and not by Baez.

Yes, a court hearing is likely. Some Thurs or Fri, in lets say the next couple of months. Though I do recall that Judge Strickland indicated that he might possibly rule on the Motion to set a Trial Date for the Criminal Check/Fraud charges.

[anon-o-miss]

Cindy's mother, Shirley Plesea, told LE something similar. page 7 line 11 http://www.wftv.com/blank/18974289/detail.html

You know what? She's out of control for one reason. If she doesn't believe Casey then Caylee's dead. Honest to God that's my feeling. If she could not believe Casey, believe in Casey, she'd have to accept the fact that Cay...Caylee might be dead, or would be dead, or whatever. That's that's the honest to God feeling I got and I've had it since she got out of control.

jmo
I really like Shirley's interviews. She tells it like it is, and pulls no punches. She makes it clear she loves her family but what's right is right. This whole outcome may have been different if Cindy hadn't talked her mom out of pressing charges. Casey would've probably gotten only a slap on the wrist, but it would have given her a reality check.

[anon-o-miss]

The fact that Casey presumed that the nanny kidnapped Caylee has always spoke volumes to me. If I showed up to pick up my child from the sitters and no one was there or showed up for hrs. the first thing I would think of is that there had been an accident or Caylee had been hurt and taken to the hospital. I would be calling the police to see if there had been and accident and calling every hospital ion Florida to see if Caylee or Zanny had been brought in. Why not call her father the ex cop for help on what to do? Why would she assume the nanny had taken her?
I agree. Excellent point!!!

[Julie Dupree]

Thanks for the link. :seeya:

Very interesting. I bet we see a court hearing going over these issues in the near future. I wonder if JB will be successful in keeping them sealed?

I had never heard that LP was considered an employee of JB. I wonder if LP knew about this???
Julie

[anon-o-miss]

Did she ask Lee for Tone's number because she really didn't know it (by heart), or because it was programmed into her cell and she couldn't remember his speed dial number, or what? I'm old and didn't have a cellphone as a teen, but I know I could always remember my boyfriend's number. That has always seemed odd to me though, and when Lee said "um, why do you want to call him" or whatever, Casey says, "well, he's my boyfriend..." Lee seemed disgusted to me. imo.

:seeya: Hi slow.
I find it odd too that she didn't seem to know her boyfriend of a months phone #. However, when question by LE for contact #'s she didn't seem to know any of her friends #'s either. She either had them on her cell phone or could track them down through the internet (Myspace). I don't think anyone was important enough to her for her to actually waste brain space memorizing any personal info about them other than their routing #'s.

[neid_77]

looks like the defense is even trying to get Tim Miller's information..yup the killer hide within Tim Miller's searchers!!! I wonder if one was Kronk:sneaky: i wonder if people will want to come out and search feared missing people who may be dead becouse of these desperate people....i wonder if this has ever happened to Tim Before

www.clickorlando.com/news/20079027/detail.html


Caylee Marie:wub:

[sully]

The fact that Casey presumed that the nanny kidnapped Caylee has always spoke volumes to me. If I showed up to pick up my child from the sitters and no one was there or showed up for hrs. the first thing I would think of is that there had been an accident or Caylee had been hurt and taken to the hospital. I would be calling the police to see if there had been and accident and calling every hospital ion Florida to see if Caylee or Zanny had been brought in. Why not call her father the ex cop for help on what to do? Why would she assume the nanny had taken her?

ITA-That would make perfect sense! That's probably why KC changed her story to being assaulted and held down at JBP! Then the story starts about taking Caylee to teach KC a lesson! Blah, blah, blah.....more lies!:thumbdown:

[anon-o-miss]

Yeah I don't think Cindy believed the nanny story either, but I think it would be very difficult for any mother to even entertain the idea that their 22 year old daughter would murder anyone...especially their own child. jmo
I agree. I tried to be compassionate and understanding of G&C Anthony at the very beginning. My husband kept saying," that grandmother is either involved or knows something." I would defend them... Well a few months ago I had to tell my husband he was right for a change:blushing: lol. I know denial can be powerful, but I think they have exceeded denial and jumped into deception.

[Julie Dupree]

looks like the defense is even trying to get Tim Miller's information..yup the killer hide within Tim Miller's searchers!!! I wonder if one was Kronk:sneaky: i wonder if people will want to come out and search feared missing people who may be dead becouse of these desperate people....i wonder if this has ever happened to Tim Before

www.clickorlando.com/news/20079027/detail.html


Caylee Marie:wub:

They will have to go thru Mark NeJames to get to Tim Miller..hope they are prepared to do this!!!
Julie

[Pam1569]

Sounds like the State has released interviews from LPadilla and his crew to the defense. And, the defense is wanting to prevent those interviews from being made public (Sunshine Law). Or is the defense asking that those interviews be not allowed at all? I'm a bit confused.

Hi Sun, Sorry for answering late had to eat dinner. To me it reads that Baez wants Padilla and associates to be considered as work product and not have it released or used at all. jmo

[anon-o-miss]

Us non-psychos are perplexed that she doesn't even fake fear, sadness, or worry, for her Daughter. She's just not capable though. Cause she doesn't have any of those emotions and doesn't see the importance. They're useless emotions, in her mind.

I think by the time Caylee was reported missing Casey was so over it.:rolleyes: I made the comment to my husband that I was outraged she doesn't even pretend to care. My husband responded," She's done pretending to care about her daughter, she was pretending for a month, she's over it." :crying: I think he's right.

[Julie Dupree]

:seeya: Hi slow.
I find it odd too that she didn't seem to know her boyfriend of a months phone #. However, when question by LE for contact #'s she didn't seem to know any of her friends #'s either. She either had them on her cell phone or could track them down through the internet (Myspace). I don't think anyone was important enough to her for her to actually waste brain space memorizing any personal info about them other than their routing #'s.

I also find it odd that Tone is not listed in her phone memory bank unless he is listed as one of several boyfriends that are listed there??
Everyone else is there including the ABC Bartending School but no Tony
Julie

[Pam1569]

Thanks for the link. :seeya:

Very interesting. I bet we see a court hearing going over these issues in the near future. I wonder if JB will be successful in keeping them sealed?

Hi Dells :seeya: I don't mind if Strickland does seal them and let them be used for trial, but I hope that Strickland does allow them at trial and does not consider them as work product that is my fear. But I did notice on the new prosecution witness list that they are not listed as being witnesses.

http://itsamysterytome.wordpress.com/2009/01/26/revised-witness-list-in-casey-anthony-case/

[Sun]

looks like the defense is even trying to get Tim Miller's information..yup the killer hide within Tim Miller's searchers!!! I wonder if one was Kronk:sneaky: i wonder if people will want to come out and search feared missing people who may be dead becouse of these desperate people....i wonder if this has ever happened to Tim Before

www.clickorlando.com/news/20079027/detail.html


Caylee Marie:wub:

The defense is also seeking access to documents created by Texas Equusearch and its founder Tim Miller. The search group assisted in searches for Anthony's missing daughter, Caylee Anthony.

The documents the defense is seeking are in Texas and are not subject to Florida circuit court subpoenas, but the defense is seeking to have Miller certified as a material witness. The defense hopes to add more weight to the their argument that Miller and the records he maintains identifying those who searched for Caylee's body should be produced.

I would love to see the actual document filed.

[anon-o-miss]

Sorry to break into the conversation watching wesh and they just said Baez is fighting for more documents not to be released.

Went to the clerk's office and this was done today

7/16/2009 A BRIEF IN SUPPORT OF DEFENDANT'S MOTION TO BAR PRIVILEGED TESTIMONY OF MR. LEONARD PADILLA, MR. TONY PADILLA, MS. TRACY MCLAUGHLIN, & MR. ROBERT DICK. EXHIBIT A (PRIVACY AGREEMENT) ATTACHED.

7/16/2009 A BRIEF IN SUPPORT OF DEFENDANT'S MOTION TO BAR PRIVILEGED TESTIMONY OF MR. LEONARD PADILLA, MR. TONY PADILLA, MS. TRACY MCLAUGHLIN, & MR. ROBERT DICK. STATEMENT OF FACTS/ARGUMENT/CONCLUSION.

7/16/2009 A APPENDICES IN SUPPORT OF DEFENDANT'S MOTION FOR CERTIFICATION OF TIMOTHY MILLER AS A MATERIAL WITNESS IN THE INSTANT PROSECUTION, OR IN THE ALTERNATIVE APPLICATION FOR SUBPOENA FOR DOCUMENTS IN TH POSSESSION OF TEXAS EQUUSEARCH TABLE OF APPENDICES A THROUGH L ATTACHED W/DOCUMENTS.

7/16/2009 A CERTIFICATE OF OF MATERIALITY OF AN OUT OF STATE WITNESS

7/16/2009 A MEMORANDUM OF LAW IN SUPPORT OF DEFENDANT'S MOTION FOR CERTIFICATION OF TIMOTHY MILLER AS A MATERIAL WITNESS IN THE INSTANT PROSECUTION, OR IN THE ALTERNATIVE APPLICATION FOR SUBPOENA FOR DOCUMENTS IN THE POSSESSION OF TEXAS EQUUSEARCH

7/16/2009 A MOTION FOR PROTECTIVE ORDER AND TO BAR PRIVILEGED TESTIMONY OF MR. LEONARD PADILLA, MR. TONY PADILLA, MS. TRACY MCLAUGHLIN, & MR. ROBERT DICK

7/16/2009 A DEFENDANT'S MOTION TO CERTIFY TIMOTHY MILLER AS A MATERIAL WITNESS IN THE INSTANT PROSECUTION, OR IN THE ALTERNATIVE APPLICATION FOR SUBPOENA DUCES TECUM FOR DOCUMENTS IN THE POSSESSION OF TEXAS EQUUSEARCH

7/16/2009 A NOTICE OF PROVISION OF SUPPLEMENTAL DISCOVERY

7/16/2009 A NOTICE OF PROVISION OF SUPPLEMENTAL DISCOVERY

Just thought all of you should know what is being said tonight on the news.

Sorry have to go for now.BBL :smile:

ETA: Forget the check/fraud case

7/16/2009 A MISS ANTHONY'S RESPONSE TO MOTION FOR DETERMINATION OF NEW TRIAL DATE. APPENDICES TO MISS ANTHONY'S RESPONSE TO MOTION FOR DETERMINATION OF NEW TRIAL DATE WITH EXHIBITS A THROUGH D ATTACHED.

Sorry about that.
Baez does not want Tracy (especially) testifying. She's the one that wanted immunity and spent the most one on one time with Casey. I'm sure she is a treasure trove of information.

[Pam1569]

I had never heard that LP was considered an employee of JB. I wonder if LP knew about this???
Julie

Hi Julie, According to this filing
7/16/2009 A BRIEF IN SUPPORT OF DEFENDANT'S MOTION TO BAR PRIVILEGED TESTIMONY OF MR. LEONARD PADILLA, MR. TONY PADILLA, MS. TRACY MCLAUGHLIN, & MR. ROBERT DICK. EXHIBIT A (PRIVACY AGREEMENT) ATTACHED.

To me Lyon did draft this motion and is going after work product because of the (Privacy Agreement). jmo

[neid_77]

wonder when the next court date will be?


Caylee Marie:wub:

[Pam1569]

looks like the defense is even trying to get Tim Miller's information..yup the killer hide within Tim Miller's searchers!!! I wonder if one was Kronk:sneaky: i wonder if people will want to come out and search feared missing people who may be dead becouse of these desperate people....i wonder if this has ever happened to Tim Before

www.clickorlando.com/news/20079027/detail.html


Caylee Marie:wub:

Hi neid :seeya:, I hope that Lyon/Baez will be ready for Nejame.

[Sun]

Hi Sun, Sorry for answering late had to eat dinner. To me it reads that Baez wants Padilla and associates to be considered as work product and not have it released or used at all. jmo

Work product? Never have I heard that Baez "paid" for their services. If Baez had made them sign confidentially agreements, would that negate LE from interviewing them or being able to use their testimony in a criminal matter?

[Julie Dupree]

Hi Julie, According to this filing
7/16/2009 A BRIEF IN SUPPORT OF DEFENDANT'S MOTION TO BAR PRIVILEGED TESTIMONY OF MR. LEONARD PADILLA, MR. TONY PADILLA, MS. TRACY MCLAUGHLIN, & MR. ROBERT DICK. EXHIBIT A (PRIVACY AGREEMENT) ATTACHED.

To me Lyon did draft this motion and is going after work product because of the (Privacy Agreement). jmo

Thanks Pam. You are probably right about Lyon drafting these.
I was referring to the article on the WESH site..

"In the motion, Baez argues that Padilla and his staff were working for him last August when nephew Tony Padilla bailed Anthony out of jail so their statements to the police about what they heard from Anthony are privileged and should not be made public."

Julier

[Pam1569]

Baez does not want Tracy (especially) testifying. She's the one that wanted immunity and spent the most one on one time with Casey. I'm sure she is a treasure trove of information.

Hi anon, ITA Tracy must have a whole 3 subject notebook worth of info.

[neid_77]

Hi neid :seeya:, I hope that Lyon/Baez will be ready for Nejame.

HEY PAM!!!!!!!!!: I could never pass you up? i miss you know that!! i hope all is well...it's good to see you!!:thumbsup: i miss you on OD always read your posts and your 2cents! this case has so much BS that it's time for a plummer!!!

Caylee Marie:wub:

[apothecary]

i'm so glad i mostly lurk not to be mean but i think to get any response you have to be frequent poster:w00t: and i cannot Godbless all of you who love and want justice for Caylee Marie!!!


Caylee Marie:wub:
I am not a frequent poster and always get a response.The responses often come later.Hi Neid 77.Nice to hear from you and I always read and agree with your posts.I just do not respond to all posts,but read everyone of them.

[Sun]

i'm so glad i mostly lurk not to be mean but i think to get any response you have to be frequent poster:w00t: and i cannot Godbless all of you who love and want justice for Caylee Marie!!!


Caylee Marie:wub:

neid, if you post something like the next court hearing date, you'll get a ton of responses. Or links to breaking news... that is also sure to get lots of responses. Justice for Caylee is slow in happening, but we will get there. The public will not forget how Caylee's entire family does not want justice to be handed down to her killer.

[Pam1569]

Thanks Pam. You are probably right about Lyon drafting these.
I was referring to the article on the WESH site..

"In the motion, Baez argues that Padilla and his staff were working for him last August when nephew Tony Padilla bailed Anthony out of jail so their statements to the police about what they heard from Anthony are privileged and should not be made public."

Julier

Sorry about that Julie. My mistake. But Strickland may treat them like he did D.Casey's interview, but crossing my fingers here that he doesn't. I am really interested in Tracy's statement especially since she retained a lawyer when LE and the FBI went out to California to interview her.

[Sun]

Hi Julie, According to this filing
7/16/2009 A BRIEF IN SUPPORT OF DEFENDANT'S MOTION TO BAR PRIVILEGED TESTIMONY OF MR. LEONARD PADILLA, MR. TONY PADILLA, MS. TRACY MCLAUGHLIN, & MR. ROBERT DICK. EXHIBIT A (PRIVACY AGREEMENT) ATTACHED.

To me Lyon did draft this motion and is going after work product because of the (Privacy Agreement). jmo

Have you been able to read this motion yet? I've searched around a bit, and haven't yet found any of these latest filings posted by the media yet.

[anon-o-miss]

During this whole year in there, I wonder if the aspiring personal trainer has used any of her considerable free time and tried to figure out how many times she has to circle the extremely small track in her cell to be one mile? Cause that would be hard. Perhaps simpler for her would be, how many times around does it take to work off the calories from one bag of pork rinds? Now, multiply. I'm sure she remembers that even expensive bottled water is calorie-free - but it does add pesky water weight.

She should probably get crackin' on her workout routines though, considering how her last appearance showed that if she wears the same thing she did last time, she will likely be winning the OCSD's "most-likely-to-bust-out-of-her-goin'-to-court-clothes" award if she's not vigilant! jmo.
:lol: She's a shoe in.

[anon-o-miss]

{sniff-sniff} Can you smell it? I smell a doc dump.:drool:
:laugh: Oh goody!!!

[Pam1569]

HEY PAM!!!!!!!!!: I could never pass you up? i miss you know that!! i hope all is well...it's good to see you!!:thumbsup: i miss you on OD always read your posts and your 2cents! this case has so much BS that it's time for a plummer!!!

Caylee Marie:wub:

neid with all my heart Caylee will always be there. I always will care for your sweet heart and passion. :rose:

On the BS part I am not sure that the treatment plant could hold even this much filth.

[Sun]

Thanks Pam. You are probably right about Lyon drafting these.
I was referring to the article on the WESH site..

"In the motion, Baez argues that Padilla and his staff were working for him last August when nephew Tony Padilla bailed Anthony out of jail so their statements to the police about what they heard from Anthony are privileged and should not be made public."

Julier

I'd like to see that contract, especially the part about how much was to be paid for their services. And proof that they were paid for their services. I wonder it is was attached to this motion.

[neid_77]

thanks all for some of the comments makes you feel like your part of a special group. That is justice seekers for a sweet angel Caylee Marie!!
i have to close out for the day so so hoping for justice for Caylee beyond this woman's unbelievable defense team!!:cursing: I like coming here so much cuase everyone is of a collective mind, and that is justice for Caylee Marie and we all know who is guilty!


Caylee Marie:wub:

[Pam1569]

Have you been able to read this motion yet? I've searched around a bit, and haven't yet found any of these latest filings posted by the media yet.

Sun, I have also done all news online searches and also found nada for pdf's on the motions.