MIchael Jackson~ Monday July 13 [Archive] - In Session Message Boards

Pattycake

07-13-2009, 03:03 AM

Let's start this one on a positive and factual note :)

Most Successful Concert Series - Guiness Book Of World Records
Michael Jackson sold out for seven nights at Wembley Stadium, London, England in the summer of 1988. A total of 504,000 people saw Michael perform July 14-16, 22-23, and August 26-27, 1988.

Biggest Selling Album Of All Time - Guiness Book Of World Records
Michael Jackson's "Thriller" Album is the biggest selling album of all time, with over 50 million copies sold worldwide. Thriller is also the biggest selling U.S album with sales of 25 million copies.

80's Most #1 Hits
By The End of the 1980's MIchael Jackson had more #1 hits than any other artist for the decade.

Awards
Michael has more awards than any other artist

http:www.allmichaeljackdon.com/therecords.html

And anyone who watched the Memorial Service knows the rest of his legacy.

aproudmom

07-13-2009, 04:58 AM

GOOD MORNING thanks for the new thread..and the nice post..

Scampi

07-13-2009, 07:50 AM

Good morning everyone. Does anyone know what time the hearing is today?

ellegna

07-13-2009, 08:31 AM

OPEN LETTER TO A MICHAEL JACKSON ACCUSER (THE ARVIZO FAMILY): Subpoenaed by the defense in 2005, Azja Pryor writes to Jackson's 2nd accuser

Dear Gavin, Star, Davellin, and Janet:

After Michael's tragic death last week, I have to say that all the negative feelings I've had towards your family following the outrageous claims made by you Gavin and your mother Janet--against Michael--came back to me tenfold. The pain, disappointment, anger, and betrayal I feel towards you simply cannot be put into words.

http://eurweb.com/story/eur54470.cfm

Good morning

Thank you for posting. Very touching and heartfelt.

ellegna

07-13-2009, 08:37 AM

Good morning everyone. Does anyone know what time the hearing is today?

Good morning Scamp

I thought it was today also but as per this article, it appears it was moved to July 20th.

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/michael_jackson/2009/07/11/2009-07-11_debbie_rowe_to_attend_.html

VC2

07-13-2009, 08:38 AM

Good morning everyone. Does anyone know what time the hearing is today?

it has been posponed another week, apparently the KJ and rowe are still talking.

I think i heard something about joe wanting guardianship too but hope that was just a false report

ellegna

07-13-2009, 08:53 AM

it has been posponed another week, apparently the KJ and rowe are still talking.

I think i heard something about joe wanting guardianship too but hope that was just a false report

Joe wants to be involved as well. Here's what Joe said

In a partial interview released on ABC on Friday, taken from a longer interview to be aired July 14, Joe says that both he and estranged wife Katherine should take on permanent guardianship duties now that Michael has died. "Their grandmother Katherine and I should raise them," Joe said. "Yes there's no one else who can do what we can do for them. We should keep them all together and make them happy. Feed them like they are supposed to be fed."

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1910033,00.html

kellabeck

07-13-2009, 09:19 AM

Who is Azja Pryor?

VC2

07-13-2009, 09:25 AM

Who is Azja Pryor?

uhhh didn't you follow the trial? he testified. she was a celeb that had been taken in by the arvizo's as well. celeb by way of being Chris Tuckers g/f

IMO

VC2

07-13-2009, 09:30 AM

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:MmAx12jDB0EJ:www.cbsnews.com/elements/2005/03/03/in_depth_showbiz/whoswho677925_0_5_person.shtml+Azja+Pryor&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk

She gave testimony on the critical time period during which the molestation allegedly took place, telling jurors that the accuser's mother complained to her in early March 2003 that two German associates of Jackson had stepped in to keep her family away. Prosecutors allege Jackson molested the then-13-year-old accuser between Feb. 20 and March 12, 2003.

"I asked, 'Does Michael know anything about this?' She said, 'They won't let us around him because they know the children tug at his heart strings,'" Pryor testified.

Pryor began her testimony with a few tears, and said, “It’s hard for me because I really do love the kids a lot.”

She said this love was the basis of her friendship with the accuser's mother. She said they would talk for hours at a time on the phone, but the mother never complained to her about Jackson.

snip........

Pryor also testified that she gave the family money and that the accuser's mother and sister tried to pressure her to give them a car. At one point, the mother called and thanked her for the vehicle, even though she hadn't been given one.

kellabeck

07-13-2009, 09:36 AM

uhhh didn't you follow the trial? he testified. she was a celeb that had been taken in by the arvizo's as well. celeb by way of being Chris Tuckers g/f

IMO

Yes, I followed the trial closely but her name escaped me. My memory refreshed, frankly I didn't find her testimony all that important.

VC2

07-13-2009, 09:43 AM

Yes, I followed the trial closely but her name escaped me. My memory refreshed, frankly I didn't find her testimony all that important.

I did. It is very hard to molest someone that you are not seeing. Also very few mothers complain to a close friend that the children are not allowed to see someone during the time they later claim they were molested. The time period was important

JMO

spiritwolf46

07-13-2009, 09:47 AM

This should help you. I didn't remember her either. I had to google her name.

http://knx.typepad.com/linder/2005/05/bulletin_larry_.html

This had slipped my mind as well. Thank you so much for going that extra mile and posting this for us.

spiritwolf46

07-13-2009, 09:58 AM

You are most welcome. That case was soo long ago. Hard to remember every single detail.

Wish we could move on to current events. MJ died, he's not buried yet, his kids custody, doctors charged...the list is endless. imo

Yes, the list is endless, isn't it? I feel so bad for those kids! Joe Jackson should NEVER be allowed to have any part of raising them at all. I think they would be extorted to the hills.

I feel for Katherine as well. She is up there in years. But then again, I would never want those kids to be with or around Debbie Rowe either. What a complete mess this is!

spiritwolf46

07-13-2009, 10:05 AM

I just hope and pray, if this custody hearing goes to court, the judge will find some way to keep Joe Jackson away from those children. I can't see how he could give KJ custody with Joe around.

I think there should be split custody. jmo

Bold mine:

Split between who?

Scampi

07-13-2009, 10:06 AM

Good morning Scamp

I thought it was today also but as per this article, it appears it was moved to July 20th.

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/michael_jackson/2009/07/11/2009-07-11_debbie_rowe_to_attend_.html

Hiya Ell!! Thanks, I keep hearing news reports that it's today.

No way Joe Jackson is going to be anywhere around those kids, imo. By the time this gets to the courtroom, I think Katherine will have a plan for the children, including the name of a Nanny, bodyguards and other security information for the Judge to review.

Scampi

07-13-2009, 10:16 AM

I don't know how firm KJ can be with Joe. He does visit the Encino house and even stays there from time to time. KJ was never firm when it came to her own kids around Joe or even Joe's cheating. JMO

Just adding, I think DR will also have a plan for the judge to review. jmo

LOL, armed with a substantial amount of money and a good legal team, you'd be surprised what Katherine may be able to do for those kids.

DR will agree to Katherine having custody, imo. We may never know the "exact" terms tho.......

spiritwolf46

07-13-2009, 10:21 AM

Hiya Ell!! Thanks, I keep hearing news reports that it's today.

No way Joe Jackson is going to be anywhere around those kids, imo. By the time this gets to the courtroom, I think Katherine will have a plan for the children, including the name of a Nanny, bodyguards and other security information for the Judge to review.

Good morning Scamp!

I sure hope this to be true! I would HATE to see Debbie Rowe near these children. Katherine is up there in age and that may present a problem, but if the Judge heard a plan from, say, Janet for instance, could he then make a decision to have her take them if she could provide a stable life for them?

spiritwolf46

07-13-2009, 10:26 AM

Let's not overlook the biological mother. jmo There was nothing in MJ's will for Janet Jackson to have custody. jmo

I realize there was nothing in the will about Janet. But, I am asking that if the Judge finds a more stable environment (EXAMPLE: Janet), can he make that decision for the kids???

Over look the biological mother? I don't believe that I was. I just think that she is a money hawg and thinks about that and only that. I do not believe that she is the right person for these children. I never will.

Scampi

07-13-2009, 10:36 AM

Good morning Scamp!

I sure hope this to be true! I would HATE to see Debbie Rowe near these children. Katherine is up there in age and that may present a problem, but if the Judge heard a plan from, say, Janet for instance, could he then make a decision to have her take them if she could provide a stable life for them?

Hi Wolfie girl!!! DR doesn't want these kid, imo. Since Michael's will mentioned Diana Ross as a potential caretaker, perhaps if anything happened to Katherine she would be considered.

Barring that, I would imagine Katherine will draw up legal papers designating someone capable to care for the children should anthing happen to her.

After seeing the children with the Jackson family at the memorial, I have no doubt those kids are loved by them.

Also, the older the kids get, the more the Judge will consider their wishes, imo.

spiritwolf46

07-13-2009, 10:46 AM

Hi Wolfie girl!!! DR doesn't want these kid, imo. Since Michael's will mentioned Diana Ross as a potential caretaker, perhaps if anything happened to Katherine she would be considered.

Barring that, I would imagine Katherine will draw up legal papers designating someone capable to care for the children should anthing happen to her.

After seeing the children with the Jackson family at the memorial, I have no doubt those kids are loved by them.

Also, the older the kids get, the more the Judge will consider their wishes, imo.

I sure hope that this plays out just like you say. I, too, think that this family loves those children very much. I worry about Joe being around them, but I would hate like he77 to have D.R. around them, too. Could the Judge say that Joe is not allowed to be near them, do you think?

CANDYKISSES

07-13-2009, 10:59 AM

I did. It is very hard to molest someone that you are not seeing. Also very few mothers complain to a close friend that the children are not allowed to see someone during the time they later claim they were molested. The time period was important

JMO

:thumbup:This part of your post is key IMO VC.

It is very hard to molest someone that you are not seeing. :confused:

CANDYKISSES

07-13-2009, 11:01 AM

I sure hope that this plays out just like you say. I, too, think that this family loves those children very much. I worry about Joe being around them, but I would hate like he77 to have D.R. around them, too. Could the Judge say that Joe is not allowed to be near them, do you think?

JMO SW46, but I am thinking there will be a sealed mediation between DR and KJ and it will be legal and binding to avoid any further damages to the children. JMO tho.

While I am not sure about how MEDIATION is regarded in CA, I believe the state is pretty progressive and can't imagine them not finding a way to stop the madness.

Scampi

07-13-2009, 11:03 AM

I sure hope that this plays out just like you say. I, too, think that this family loves those children very much. I worry about Joe being around them, but I would hate like he77 to have D.R. around them, too. Could the Judge say that Joe is not allowed to be near them, do you think?

I cannot think of a legal basis for the Judge to do that, but I do think Katherine will protect those children from ANYONE attempting to exploit them.

IMO, Joe Jackson will have no power whatsoever over those children.

GentleBreeze

07-13-2009, 11:04 AM

I'm just asking.........what insurance money, and how would LaToya benefit?

The only insurance policy I am aware of is the one that the producers of the tour has. That will be made out to them, not the Jacksons. Now MJ sure could have other life insurance policies and many of them now pay even if the insured person commits suicide. I think they have to have it enforce for 2 years.

I think this death is going to wind up as a homicide and there will be criminal charges brought. According to the clause that could result in double payoffs.

But any life insurance policy would go to the specific person or persons he listed as his beneficiaries. I highly doubt that any were made out to others that he made sure he didn't list in his Will.

imo

GentleBreeze

07-13-2009, 11:07 AM

I cannot think of a legal basis for the Judge to do that, but I do think Katherine will protect those children from ANYONE attempting to exploit them.

IMO, Joe Jackson will have no power whatsoever over those children.

I do too. I think she will fight tooth and nail to protect these chidlren.

Joe's just dreaming........

He will have no say so or control over these children imo.

imo

GentleBreeze

07-13-2009, 11:11 AM

Good morning Scamp!

I sure hope this to be true! I would HATE to see Debbie Rowe near these children. Katherine is up there in age and that may present a problem, but if the Judge heard a plan from, say, Janet for instance, could he then make a decision to have her take them if she could provide a stable life for them?

I think she will make the court fully aware that she is not having to care for these children alone. I am sure her attorney already has a plan of action including the persons who will assist her in raising these children.

I would take her even at her age over DR.

IMO, Katherine actually looks very good for her age.

GentleBreeze

07-13-2009, 11:13 AM

:wink: You're right. So unless Michael had insurance policies with members of his family named as beneficiaries they have nothing to gain by proving anything.

Exactly, If he had life insurance policies I would think his mother and children are his beneficiaries.

imo

VC2

07-13-2009, 11:17 AM

Well, now this is where you provide the back up to what you are claiming. Not everyone remembers as much as you. Link?

um i did. It is in the link in post #17.

VC2

07-13-2009, 11:23 AM

Joe is really a fool.. maybe he has dementia bc with the custody battle going on, it is insane that he would be trying this:

Former Jackson Five manager Joe is said to have approached Prince Michael, 12, Paris, 11, and seven-year old Prince Michael II — known as Blanket — to hit the stage next year.

But one of Jacko's familymembers is said to be "livid" at the scheme, which will add fuel to the bitter custody battle for the youngsters.

Jackson’s biographer Ian Halperin said yesterday: "Joe wants the children to go on a world tour in 2010. He has also already offered recording contracts to two of Michael’s kids. Now he is talking about getting them the world’s best backing band and taking them on tour as The Jackson Three."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,531940,00.html

ellegna

07-13-2009, 11:27 AM

spiritwolf46

07-13-2009, 11:27 AM

I think she will make the court fully aware that she is not having to care for these children alone. I am sure her attorney already has a plan of action including the persons who will assist her in raising these children.

I would take her even at her age over DR.

IMO, Katherine actually looks very good for her age.

She sure does look good for her age!

Thanks to you all for answering my questions. I feel so sorry for those kids. I pray for the very best for them.

Well, off here to do some things in the house. All have a wonderful morning/afternoon!

AJandTam

07-13-2009, 11:29 AM

Joe is really a fool.. maybe he has dementia bc with the custody battle going on, it is insane that he would be trying this:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,531940,00.html

Isn't this just like the Joe he's always been.?? Nothing new is it??

mrsmcgoo

07-13-2009, 11:30 AM

Might be old news, but DR is being reported as having administered drugs to MJ.

CANDYKISSES

07-13-2009, 11:35 AM

Might be old news, but DR is being reported as having administered drugs to MJ.

Do you have a link?

RootBeer

07-13-2009, 11:37 AM

Debbie Rowe Injected Jackson with Drugs
Posted Jul 13th 2009 2:10AM by TMZ Staff

http://www.tmz.com/

mrsmcgoo

07-13-2009, 11:39 AM

:blushing: I'm so sorry...I didn't realize I hadn't provided the link.

Thanks Root Beer!

VC2

07-13-2009, 11:41 AM

Isn't this just like the Joe he's always been.?? Nothing new is it??

That he wants to do it is nothing new, just like he was but i am astounded at the pure stupidity of trying to do so before custody has been decided. From a purely selfish point of view, it would be to his advantage to wait until KJ gets custody and hope to force it then.

jmo

AJandTam

07-13-2009, 11:45 AM

That he wants to do it is nothing new, just like he was but i am astounded at the pure stupidity of trying to do so before custody has been decided. From a purely selfish point of view, it would be to his advantage to wait until KJ gets custody and hope to force it then.

jmo

It is definately stupid. No doubt about it.. but I always thought he was a bit insane to begin w/.. One of those people who thinks he's god and can do whatever suits him. This just seems like another example of that kind of thinking..

VC2

07-13-2009, 11:53 AM

I think Candykisses, she was referring to DR giving injections during the time she worked for Dr. Klein..here's where I found it~~

Debbie Rowe Injected Jackson with Drugs

http://www.tmz.com/

LMS

sighs.....i am getting so disillusioned with media and the way they say things. I mean..obviously she injected MJ with drugs when she worked for Klein, he was having work done there. Anything from locals to general anaesthetic, even a painkiller or two. Its one thing nurses do.

They make it sound like its a big deal.

imo

AJandTam

07-13-2009, 11:56 AM

sighs.....i am getting so disillusioned with media and the way they say things. I mean..obviously she injected MJ with drugs when she worked for Klein, he was having work done there. Anything from locals to general anaesthetic, even a painkiller or two. Its one thing nurses do.

They make it sound like its a big deal.

imo

No doubt. Was a tricky headline..Before I read the article. I'm thinking. Debbie didn't see MJ anymore.. So that is NEW.. nope, just a trick..

Pretty Leaf

07-13-2009, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by Tokyo Rose
Let's not overlook the biological mother. jmo There was nothing in MJ's will for Janet Jackson to have custody. jmo

bolding mine

why is it you put JMO after every sentance..????

Originally Posted by Tokyo Rose

Let's not overlook the biological mother jmo There was nothing in MJ's will for Janet Jackson to have custody. jmo

Why JMO in a generic sentance? You have a habit of doing this and it does not make any sense.

mrsmcgoo

07-13-2009, 12:04 PM

Anyone else see that A & E are doing a special, apparently already taped called "The Jackson Family"

Hadn't heard this until today!

Beasmom

07-13-2009, 12:07 PM

http://www.accesshollywood.com/report-la-toya-jackson-claims-michael-was-murdered_article_20473

Report: La Toya Jackson Claims Michael Was ‘Murdered’

“Michael was being controlled. No one could get through to him,” she allegedly said to the News of the World. “We wanted to know why we were being kept away and my father Joe was always trying to get to see him. He tried so hard to be there for Michael. He was seen as a threat but he was trying to help. And if you keep the family away, you can conquer. It’s like they say, divide and conquer.”

Does she mean MJ was forced to be a drug addict? He's been one for years and they all knew it. Why weren't the family doing anything about it before?

My take on her interview: get the insurance money by claiming he was murdered.

$$$$$ cha ching..LaToya was paid for her interview. barf

imo

Michael Jackson was a 50 year old man who could not handle the expiration date on his profession. The career of a pop music idol has a shelf life. It is a career that belongs to the young. He was a great artist who could have built upon his career and gone on to greater and greater endeavors instead of responding to his talent and fame with drugs and odd behavior. No one made Michael Jackson take drugs, indulge in excessive plastic surgery or behave in a suspect manner toward young boys. However, instead of helping him, those who were closest to him indulged him (like Elvis). Same story. People excuse those with money and fame. Is it any wonder LaToya is interviewing and that the fans are now crying murder? imo

Scampi

07-13-2009, 12:09 PM

Hiya Scamp

Speaking of Nanny....did i hear/read right Katherine contacted Grace to rehire her to help care for the children?

That's the rumor Ell. Grace was with Michael for 18 years iirc, seems she'd be perfect for the children.

bkwits

07-13-2009, 12:17 PM

GentleBreeze

07-13-2009, 12:21 PM

sighs.....i am getting so disillusioned with media and the way they say things. I mean..obviously she injected MJ with drugs when she worked for Klein, he was having work done there. Anything from locals to general anaesthetic, even a painkiller or two. Its one thing nurses do.

They make it sound like its a big deal.

imo

What did you really expect VC? This is exactly what they have been doing for years. You would think by their spin in the title caption that she was injected him at home illegally.

They love the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ coming in.

imo

CinderL.

07-13-2009, 12:24 PM

GentleBreeze

07-13-2009, 12:25 PM

Michael Jackson was a 50 year old man who could not handle the expiration date on his profession. The career of a pop music idol has a shelf life. It is a career that belongs to the young. He was a great artist who could have built upon his career and gone on to greater and greater endeavors instead of responding to his talent and fame with drugs and odd behavior. No one made Michael Jackson take drugs, indulge in excessive plastic surgery or behave in a suspect manner toward young boys. However, instead of helping him, those who were closest to him indulged him (like Elvis). Same story. People excuse those with money and fame. Is it any wonder LaToya is interviewing and that the fans are now crying murder? imo

I respectfully disagree.

I think MJ had many years left to still thrill the world. That is why thousands had already bought tickets. They believe it too and they would be the ones to know. MJs fans always knew him better than anyone other than his children and mom, imo.

And you do not think anyone is going to be arrested for HOMICIDE? Well I sure do.

imoo

CeruleanBleu

07-13-2009, 12:27 PM

I do too. I think she will fight tooth and nail to protect these chidlren.

Joe's just dreaming........

He will have no say so or control over these children imo.

imo

Katherine did not do any fighting to protect her own children from Joe's malicious verbal and physical attacks. Why would she start now? She spends half of the year in Las Vegas with Joe when he is not in Encino, they are going to be glued at the hip now that there is some money involved. The sooner the kids get away from this kooky mix of grifters the better.

Firehead11

07-13-2009, 12:28 PM

Michael Jackson was a 50 year old man who could not handle the expiration date on his profession. The career of a pop music idol has a shelf life. It is a career that belongs to the young. He was a great artist who could have built upon his career and gone on to greater and greater endeavors instead of responding to his talent and fame with drugs and odd behavior. No one made Michael Jackson take drugs, indulge in excessive plastic surgery or behave in a suspect manner toward young boys. However, instead of helping him, those who were closest to him indulged him (like Elvis). Same story. People excuse those with money and fame. Is it any wonder LaToya is interviewing and that the fans are now crying murder? imo

I have no idea where you think that just because Jackson was 50 years old, that his profession had a shelf life. 50 concerts, all sold out, all held at the same location?

I do not know the reasons behind the plastic surgeries, since you apparently do, please explain why you consider it to be excessive.

I won't even address the sentence regarding "suspect manner".

GentleBreeze

07-13-2009, 12:29 PM

I don't know how reliable Radaronline is but they have this today....

Casket moved.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/07/exclusive-michael-jackson%E2%80%99s-body-moved-white-glove-placed-casket

Makes me think it wont be soon before he reaches his final resting place. I knew if people knew where he was they would be showing up there.

I hope he goes back to Neverland. MJ could have sold all of it if he never wanted to return but he didn't.

imo

AJandTam

07-13-2009, 12:31 PM

I respectfully disagree.

I think MJ had many years left to still thrill the world. That is why thousands had already bought tickets. They believe it too and they would be the ones to know. MJs fans always knew him better than anyone other than his children and mom, imo.

And you do not think anyone is going to be arrested for HOMICIDE? Well I sure do.

imoo

The Dr didn't mean to kill him. Just made a stupid choice that lead to death?? Involuntary manslaughter maybe??

GentleBreeze

07-13-2009, 12:36 PM

Katherine did not do any fighting to protect her own children from Joe's malicious verbal and physical attacks. Why would she start now? She spends half of the year in Las Vegas with Joe when he is not in Encino, they are going to be glued at the hip now that there is some money involved. The sooner the kids get away from this kooky mix of grifters the better.

That was decades ago. What she put up with then has nothing to do with what she would put up with now and when it comes to protecting these kids I think she will go up against anyone including Joey.

So what? Do you have a link that she spends half the year in LV? I am sure she does go there if she likes going to the casino.

She was not glued to the hip of Joe when this happened. She was at her home in Encino and he was in LV where he has resided for 10 years.

imo

CinderL.

07-13-2009, 12:40 PM

I have no idea where you think that just because Jackson was 50 years old, that his profession had a shelf life. 50 concerts, all sold out, all held at the same location?

I do not know the reasons behind the plastic surgeries, since you apparently do, please explain why you consider it to be excessive.

I won't even address the sentence regarding "suspect manner".

:ohmy: You don't think that his plastic surgeries was excessive???
I thought that was one thing everyone could agree with.

VC2

07-13-2009, 12:42 PM

I was just about to ask what was going on. Thanks for the link. Now he is stuck in a dark cold basement. If they don't want anyone to know where he is buried, cremate him. What is the hold up??

imo

forget it being MJ, there are many individuals and family of loved ones who suffered from severe pain and scarring due to burns and a fire who would feel ill at the idea of cremating them as their "resting place"

IMO

GentleBreeze

07-13-2009, 12:42 PM

He didn't want to be at Neverland ever. How disrespectful of his wishes so his family can profit.

imo

Baloney. He did not want to be there after Sneddon tainted it.

We have no clue if he changed his mind later on or if that is why the place was being updated at the time of his death.

I think he was going to return and the place would be remodeled. He knew he would make enough money from the tour and new releases that he would have plenty of money to pay the 75% ownership off.

imo

GentleBreeze

07-13-2009, 12:45 PM

http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/28/no-plans-for-neverland-ranch/

No Plans for Neverland

Tohme Tohme -- Jackson's longtime friend and a partner of Colony Capital, part owner of Neverland -- tells TMZ so far no decision has been made about what do with Michael Jackson's famous former home.

That was on the 28th he died on the 25th....nothing had been decided then. The family was still reeling from losing him.

imo

vonna

07-13-2009, 12:46 PM

:ohmy: You don't think that his plastic surgeries was excessive???
I thought that was one thing everyone could agree with.

If the posters can't agree to this - agreement is hopeless.

GentleBreeze

07-13-2009, 12:51 PM

I have no idea where you think that just because Jackson was 50 years old, that his profession had a shelf life. 50 concerts, all sold out, all held at the same location?

I do not know the reasons behind the plastic surgeries, since you apparently do, please explain why you consider it to be excessive.

I won't even address the sentence regarding "suspect manner".

LOL! Yeah tell that to Tina Turner and James Brown was still kicking it high and still preforming when he died in his 70s. A lot of the older performers are still performing and doing a marvelous job.

And I imagine old James had taken some pills in his lifetime too.:wink:

imo

ScoobyDoo

07-13-2009, 12:51 PM

snipped
Is it any wonder LaToya is interviewing and that the fans are now crying murder? imo

I don't think its just his fans crying murder. I think its anyone who believes that diprivan was involved in his death that thinks its some form of murder.

imo...of course.

AJandTam

07-13-2009, 12:54 PM

As to Dr. Murray, of course he didnt intend MJ to die..however I do believe it reaches a higher degree of culpibility given he was doing something he knew put MJ at risk..so I looked up Criminally Negligent Homicide..and went to the American law regarding that..this is what i found~~

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manslaughter#Criminally_negligent_manslaughter

[edit] American Law
In jurisdictions such as Pennsylvania, if a person is so reckless as to "manifest extreme indifference to human life", the defendant may be guilty of aggravated assault as well as of involuntary manslaughter.[17]

In many jurisdictions such as California, malice may be found if gross negligence amounts to willful or depraved indifference to human life. In such a case, the wrongdoer may be guilty of second degree murder

This doctor just didnt inadvertently give him too much medication, or overdosed him on some sedative...IF he indeed infuse MJ with Diprivan..he was behaving unethical, and knowingly knew this type of aneasthesia should never be performed outside of CLINICAL Settings with proper equipment and staff available....(off my soapybox..LOL)

LMS

Thanks L, I knew they would legally define it somehow. Just got wrong how. I have no doubts that this dr is in deep trouble..

Barbara fl.

07-13-2009, 12:56 PM

LOL! Yeah tell that to Tina Turner and James Brown was still kicking it high and still preforming when he died in his 70s. A lot of the older performers are still performing and doing a marvelous job.

And I imagine old James had taken some pills in his lifetime too.:wink:

imo

I also bet there are an awlful lot of (still going entertainers) that are well over 50 and would give anything to be 50 again...

GentleBreeze

07-13-2009, 12:58 PM

GentleBreeze

07-13-2009, 01:01 PM

I also bet there are an awlful lot of (still going entertainers) that are well over 50 and would give anything to be 50 again...

Heck, I am not even an entertainer and I would like to be 50 again.:biggrin:

But I am sure they would.

imo

GentleBreeze

07-13-2009, 01:02 PM

I can't see which part of "the new 30 is 50" some don't understand.

It is so strange. I know that MJs biological age is 50 put he still looked so young.

imo

bkwits

07-13-2009, 01:02 PM

Sorry, you missed my point. The point was as you mentioned "MJ could have sold Neverland and didn't". No, he was in no position to sell it. He was not the only owner at the end of the day. He almost lost it to the bank and this guy came in and saved that from happening. He's now part owner.

imo

Thank you for clarifying that. I would think someone who followed MJ's life would know that, but apparently not.

IMO

GentleBreeze

07-13-2009, 01:04 PM

Sorry, you missed my point. The point was as you mentioned "MJ could have sold Neverland and didn't". No, he was in no position to sell it. He was not the only owner at the end of the day. He almost lost it to the bank and this guy came in and saved that from happening. He's now part owner.

imo

Oh yes he could. He could have sold off his 25%.

imo

VC2

07-13-2009, 01:04 PM

Thanks L, I knew they would legally define it somehow. Just got wrong how. I have no doubts that this dr is in deep trouble..

yep, if he died from Diprivan it is a whole different ball game than an overdose of demerol. The man is in huge trouble.

Firehead11

07-13-2009, 01:05 PM

:ohmy: You don't think that his plastic surgeries was excessive???
I thought that was one thing everyone could agree with.

I have to think about if any surgery was done improperly or if it had complications that I am not aware of. (Truth be told no one here knows all the facts about the plastic surgery) anyway in his last pictures, it looks like the surgeon finally did the repair job great.

I think we sit here and judge so much without being aware of the truth. If he had all these different problems, would that have affected the surgeries?

GentleBreeze

07-13-2009, 01:06 PM

yep, if he died from Diprivan it is a whole different ball game than an overdose of demerol. The man is in huge trouble.

I agree, I think it is highly likely this is going to wind up being a homicide case.

imo

GentleBreeze

07-13-2009, 01:07 PM

Thank you for clarifying that. I would think someone who followed MJ's life would know that, but apparently not.

IMO

So we are now pretending we know every thought that MJ had from 2005 forward?:confused:

People change what they may have thought at one time. We have no idea if he had changed his mind and wanted to go back there. I dont think Jermaine would want him there if he still knew MJ didnt want to be there.

Katherine though is probably still ticked off about what he endured there.

imo

CeruleanBleu

07-13-2009, 01:11 PM

That was decades ago. What she put up with then has nothing to do with what she would put up with now and when it comes to protecting these kids I think she will go up against anyone including Joey.

So what? Do you have a link that she spends half the year in LV? I am sure she does go there if she likes going to the casino.

She was not glued to the hip of Joe when this happened. She was at her home in Encino and he was in LV where he has resided for 10 years.

imo

Katherine is a devout Jehovah Witness, not allowed to go against her husband in any way, shape, or form.
Her and Joe just had a big bash party in Vegas for their 60th wedding anniversary a few weeks before Jacko died.

who_is_it

07-13-2009, 01:11 PM

Joan Rivers Cracks MJ Molestation Joke

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/13/joan-rivers-cracks-mj-molestation-joke/

Next to the article is a poll "Too soon?" yes / no.... but for sure the poll doesn't leave the option to find it inadequate - now and in the future. -- It's pretty obvious why TMZ wants to know if the readers' opinion is "too soon". If not "too soon" they would dish the tacky, nonfactual dirt immediately...

bkwits

07-13-2009, 01:11 PM

LOL! Yeah tell that to Tina Turner and James Brown was still kicking it high and still preforming when he died in his 70s. A lot of the older performers are still performing and doing a marvelous job.

And I imagine old James had taken some pills in his lifetime too.:wink:

imo

Michael Jackson was no Tina Turner. Did you see how stiff he was in that rehearsal video.?

Jackson's greatest gift was his dancing and improvisation to the music. I don't know if he still had the physical stamina to do that. Maybe those rehearsals did him in. IMO

ScoobyDoo

07-13-2009, 01:12 PM

LOL you should be laughing over the excuses you make for MJ.

James took some pills I'm sure and he was hardly dumping up and down as you suggest. He certainly never did what MJ did. MJ was in a whole different league since 1993. Why are you denying that or are you ignoring the facts because he is you are blided by his fame?

:rolleyes:

imo

There are quite a few people who were around M. Jackson in the weeks and days prior to his death, who reported that they saw no evidence of extreme drug abuse, needle marks, etc... This includes the incredible hulk ? guy, who really has no reason to lie.

CinderL.

07-13-2009, 01:17 PM

I have to think about if any surgery was done improperly or if it had complications that I am not aware of. (Truth be told no one here knows all the facts about the plastic surgery) anyway in his last pictures, it looks like the surgeon finally did the repair job great.

I think we sit here and judge so much without being aware of the truth. If he had all these different problems, would that have affected the surgeries?

Just some information on MJ.'s surgeries.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-315102/Jacksons-nose-patched-ear.html

http://www.anti-aging-guide.org/michael-jackson-plastic-surgery.html

More info about this Doctor.

http://www.worlds-luxury-guide.com/Selected-Plastic-Surgeons/Dr-Werner-Mang-Lindau

It does look like this Dr. fixed the mess that the other doctors created.

bkwits

07-13-2009, 01:18 PM

So we are now pretending we know every thought that MJ had from 2005 forward?:confused:

People change what they may have thought at one time. We have no idea if he had changed his mind and wanted to go back there. I dont think Jermaine would want him there if he still knew MJ didnt want to be there.

Katherine though is probably still ticked off about what he endured there.

imo

What????? I was merely responding to the fact stated that Neverland was morgaged to the hilt and MJ couldn't sell it, if he wanted to. I don't know what you are talking about.

IMO

Firehead11

07-13-2009, 01:26 PM

Firehead11

07-13-2009, 01:28 PM

First off, you never said compications from surgery? You were basically saying his multiple plastic surgeries to change him completely were not excessive. That isn't true and everyone knows it. Oh we are very aware of the truth. You don't appear to be at all. Of course it affected his surgeries...Don't you know how many he had to fix the one before? You really need to catch up, imo. The net has all you need to know.

imo

You know, you need to learn to get real and be polite. You post things as IF you know the truth. YOU ONLY KNOW WHAT THE MEDIA WANTS YOU TO KNOW. No need to post to me anymore. You are now another one on ignore.

Firehead11

07-13-2009, 01:35 PM

Just some information on MJ.'s surgeries.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-315102/Jacksons-nose-patched-ear.html

http://www.anti-aging-guide.org/michael-jackson-plastic-surgery.html

More info about this Doctor.

http://www.worlds-luxury-guide.com/Selected-Plastic-Surgeons/Dr-Werner-Mang-Lindau

It does look like this Dr. fixed the mess that the other doctors created.
As per your link:

"I think Michael Jackson wants to change from a black man to a white woman." Six operations

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-315102/Jacksons-nose-patched-ear.html#ixzz0LA67EjAW&D

So you quote another rag magazine as the truth? How many times must a link be supplied that he had a disease that turned his skin spotty and that he had his skin bleached so that this wouldn't stand out? But this article claimes "he wanted to be white".

And I need a dose of reality. :rolleyes:

CinderL.

07-13-2009, 01:51 PM

As per your link:

"I think Michael Jackson wants to change from a black man to a white woman." Six operations

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-315102/Jacksons-nose-patched-ear.html#ixzz0LA67EjAW&D

So you quote another rag magazine as the truth? How many times must a link be supplied that he had a disease that turned his skin spotty and that he had his skin bleached so that this wouldn't stand out? But this article claimes "he wanted to be white".

And I need a dose of reality. :rolleyes:

I posted other information. I know what Vitiligo does to a person, I have family members that have it. You take one quote from all three of the articles. That was all you got from them??? :rolleyes:

I am talking about the surgeries.

mrsmcgoo

07-13-2009, 01:54 PM

I posted other information. I know what Vitiligo does to a person, I have family members that have it. You take one quote from all three of the articles. That was all you got from them??? :rolleyes:

I am talking about the surgeries.

Awsome links...thank you! :thumbsup:

CinderL.

07-13-2009, 01:55 PM

The many faces of MJ. If you are a fan.....don't read the commentary on this site. I am posting only to show the changes. There isn't a current pic.

Opps. forgot the link

http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Jackson.html

CinderL.

07-13-2009, 01:56 PM

Awsome links...thank you! :thumbsup:

You are welcome.

CinderL.

07-13-2009, 02:06 PM

Sure cracked me up. What a hoot that link is. I'll have to pass it on to my friends. Thanks.

:lol:

Now I did warn people not to read the comments....just to look at the pictures. I think that you read the comments. :laugh:

CinderL.

07-13-2009, 02:08 PM

Lupus vulgaris [mdash] Report of a case with facial involvement ...
Feb 12, 2005 ... These nodules later coalesced to form a plaque on the nose. ... The right lower eyelid showed loss of eyelashes with ectropion of the eyelid. ... the nose and may result in destruction of the nasal and septal cartilage. ...

www.nature.com/bdj/journal/v198/n3/full/4812038a.html

I think he had quack plastic surgeons in the later years.

Firehead11

07-13-2009, 02:08 PM

Just some information on MJ.'s surgeries.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-315102/Jacksons-nose-patched-ear.html

http://www.anti-aging-guide.org/michael-jackson-plastic-surgery.html

More info about this Doctor.

http://www.worlds-luxury-guide.com/Selected-Plastic-Surgeons/Dr-Werner-Mang-Lindau

It does look like this Dr. fixed the mess that the other doctors created.

The two links that you have supplied is speculating about what Jackson might have had done. And he very well might have had these surgeries. But what is the reason behind it? Did he want the first one because his father made fun of his "big nose"? And from the first one, was there complications? Were the following surgeries a corrective measure? When you say excessive surgery, I think you are implying it was his CHOICE to have each surgery.

Do you understand what I am saying?

CinderL.

07-13-2009, 02:13 PM

The two links that you have supplied is speculating about what Jackson might have had done. And he very well might have had these surgeries. But what is the reason behind it? Did he want the first one because his father made fun of his "big nose"? And from the first one, was there complications? Were the following surgeries a corrective measure? When you say excessive surgery, I think you are implying it was his CHOICE to have each surgery.

Do you understand what I am saying?

I have no idea why he would have all of the work done on his face. I thought he was a very nice looking kid, and man, before it got bizarre.

mrsmcgoo

07-13-2009, 02:13 PM

The two links that you have supplied is speculating about what Jackson might have had done. And he very well might have had these surgeries. But what is the reason behind it? Did he want the first one because his father made fun of his "big nose"? And from the first one, was there complications? Were the following surgeries a corrective measure? When you say excessive surgery, I think you are implying it was his CHOICE to have each surgery.

Do you understand what I am saying?

Are you suggesting that the first surgery, which he had because of his father calling him "big nose" , was followed by other surgeries to correct mistakes or complications from the first surgery?

Please tell me you are not saying this.

vonna

07-13-2009, 02:15 PM

I also bet there are an awlful lot of (still going entertainers) that are well over 50 and would give anything to be 50 again...

They are people who aren't drug addicts and have taken better care of themselves.

CinderL.

07-13-2009, 02:22 PM

CinderL, I really appreciate your contributions. You've neither cannonized nor condemned Michael Jackson.

Your posts are logical and well reasoned and, most of all, you refrain from using the dreadful "royal we."

Thank you.

_______________________________

"Only Kings, Presidents, Editors, and people with tapeworms have the right to use the editorial we." - Mark Twain

Ha, the "royal we". LOL. Thank you.

vonna

07-13-2009, 02:24 PM

Baloney. He did not want to be there after Sneddon tainted it.

We have no clue if he changed his mind later on or if that is why the place was being updated at the time of his death.

I think he was going to return and the place would be remodeled. He knew he would make enough money from the tour and new releases that he would have plenty of money to pay the 75% ownership off.

imo

You mean Michael tainted it, don't you?

GentleBreeze

07-13-2009, 02:24 PM

GB..I do recall that Dr. Klein during his interviews on LKL that he had been working feverishly to do some corrective things to Michael's face..Sorry..dont have that link handy dandy..however, he may have said that to explain the reports of frequent visits to his office prior to MJ's death>?? So until the truth gets finally exposed ( if ever?)..we can only speculate on any corrective procedures done.

LMS

Hi Lynda!

Sorry Lynda but I wasn't referring to his plastic surgeries.

I was referring to what he thought around the time of his death about Neverland.

His plastic surgeries or the reasons for them aren't really that much interest to me.

imo

GentleBreeze

07-13-2009, 02:26 PM

You mean Michael tainted it, don't you?

NO. It is very clear what I said.

cutiepatootie61

07-13-2009, 02:26 PM

bkwits

07-13-2009, 02:27 PM

As per your link:

"I think Michael Jackson wants to change from a black man to a white woman." Six operations

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-315102/Jacksons-nose-patched-ear.html#ixzz0LA67EjAW&D

So you quote another rag magazine as the truth? How many times must a link be supplied that he had a disease that turned his skin spotty and that he had his skin bleached so that this wouldn't stand out? But this article claimes "he wanted to be white".

And I need a dose of reality. :rolleyes:

I actually have not opinion about Jackson's changing skin tone. However didn't his close friend and collaborator Quincy Jones say that Michael wanted to be white? I heard that on TV and saw it repeated several times.

IMO

GentleBreeze

07-13-2009, 02:29 PM

Turns out that lupus causes cartilage loss in the nose; thus the surgeries and three different doctors in the past couple of nights have spoken about this. There are some who just don't want to hear or know the truth. As they humiliated him in life they will continue to do so in death. It wasn't enough to destroy his life I guess - now they want to destroy his soul. JMO :sad:

OMG that sounds so horrible.

People should have shown compassion to him or anyone that suffers from this and I have seen it. These people usually have very low self esteems and are very self conscious about it.

imo

GentleBreeze

07-13-2009, 02:30 PM

I actually have not opinion about Jackson's changing skin tone. However didn't his close friend and collaborator Quincy Jones say that Michael wanted to be white? I heard that on TV and saw it repeated several times.

IMO

If anyone listened to MJ over the years they would know without a doubt he was very very proud to be a black man.

imo

bkwits

07-13-2009, 02:32 PM

If anyone listened to MJ over the years they would know without a doubt he was very very proud to be a black man.

imo

Maybe so, but didn't Qunicy Jones state that Michael wanted to be white?

CinderL.

07-13-2009, 02:35 PM

Turns out that lupus causes cartilage loss in the nose; thus the surgeries and three different doctors in the past couple of nights have spoken about this. There are some who just don't want to hear or know the truth. As they humiliated him in life they will continue to do so in death. It wasn't enough to destroy his life I guess - now they want to destroy his soul. JMO :sad:

Athena, I really don't think any person here on earth, no matter what is said about MJ., will have any impact on his soul.

GentleBreeze

07-13-2009, 02:37 PM

True. Anyone see the Today Show last week when they were inside Neverland? The house was pretty much a shell inside, kinda gross looking if you ask me. Dirty, dark and that secret room gave me the willies. Jermain even said MJ didn't want to return there to live because MJ said it himself. Then Jermain said he would like for him to be buried there. End of story.

imo

I thought it was absolutely beautiful and the floors were prettier than any I had ever seen.

It seems to be very peaceful there and serene. Almost 3,000 acres surrounding it. WOW!

imo

Unperson1984

07-13-2009, 02:41 PM

I have seen nor heard Quincy confirm that. All tabloid stuff. He has been in many interviews on TV and have never heard him mention anything about MJ's looks period and even if he did; he is NOT a Doctor. JMO

IIRC he made the statement in either a Newsweek, People, or Time Magazine interview, and he pointed out that MJ chose to have white children. It is difficult to explain that in the context of being a proud black man.

bkwits

07-13-2009, 02:47 PM

I have seen nor heard Quincy confirm that. All tabloid stuff. He has been in many interviews on TV and have never heard him mention anything about MJ's looks period and even if he did; he is NOT a Doctor. JMO

I think Quincy Jones has said this more than once. I saw him on TV when he said it in an interview. He is supposed to have expressed this in an interview with Vogue Magazine, but I can't access that.

Here is another source

Jones called the chemical peels and other cosmetic surgery that Jackson went through "ridiculous."

"And I don't understand it," he said. "But he obviously didn't want to be black."

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/us_world/Quincy-Jones-Michael-Jackson-Didnt-Want-to-Be-Black.html

While I have no idea whether Quincy Jones's opinion was correct or not. He definitely did say it.

GentleBreeze

07-13-2009, 02:59 PM

I have seen nor heard Quincy confirm that. All tabloid stuff. He has been in many interviews on TV and have never heard him mention anything about MJ's looks period and even if he did; he is NOT a Doctor. JMO

I think it would be wise for everyone to watch this video from beginning to end.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQ6b7kHGsSg

Vitiligo ?? Does Michael Jackson REALLY have this disorder ?

God rest his soul.:rose:

Nic99

07-13-2009, 03:02 PM

Today would have been the start of his concerts in London:

Jackson fans gather at O2 arena

Michael Jackson fans from all over the world have congregated at London's O2 arena, where the star had been due to begin his run of 50 concerts on Monday.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/8147457.stm

Thanks for the link Athena. Its really sad that he couldn't perform these concerts, although I really think that 50 was way too many imo. I was due to go and see him, so am pretty sad that I never got the chance, as I am sure are thousands of others.

GentleBreeze

07-13-2009, 03:03 PM

Are you related to the Jackson's?

Just curious cuz you defend him as if you know him personally. :confused:

mo

I defend any man or woman who was persecuted because they had a horrifying skin disorder and was heckled by those who are/were ignorant and media sheep.

imo

Nic99

07-13-2009, 03:08 PM

I agree. What I meant was he was probably a very qualified, reputable Dr but unfortunately got involved with enabling celebrities.

mo

That is no excuse. A patient is a patient and should be treated as such, regardless of money, celebrity, etc. A Doctor signs an oath and should abide by it.

Firehead11

07-13-2009, 03:09 PM

Are you suggesting that the first surgery, which he had because of his father calling him "big nose" , was followed by other surgeries to correct mistakes or complications from the first surgery?

Please tell me you are not saying this.

I have said that I do not know why the other operations took place. Did he want them or did he need them? Could it be because they could only narrow the nose down a little at a time? I don't know.

Nic99

07-13-2009, 03:13 PM

HUH? :confused:

What are you takling about????????????

I'm not defending Arnie.

I was answering your post, perhaps you need to read back and understand what you wrote??

Pretty Leaf

07-13-2009, 03:17 PM

I defend any man or woman who was persecuted because they had a horrifying skin disorder and was heckled by those who are/were ignorant and media sheep.

imo

Always good to read your posts. GentleBreeze, seems we have another troll to deal with. IMO personal opinion

Nic99

07-13-2009, 03:17 PM

I know what I wrote. I was not excusing Arnie.

You sound like you're looking for an argument.

Bye!

mo

Good riddance.....

trucrimegal

07-13-2009, 03:20 PM

I think it would be wise for everyone to watch this video from beginning to end.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQ6b7kHGsSg

Vitiligo ?? Does Michael Jackson REALLY have this disorder ?

God rest his soul.:rose:

Thanks for sharing this video GB...

Pretty Leaf

07-13-2009, 03:20 PM

Your posts sound very personal. Not like a poster on a message board.

my opinion only

She is a fine poster, over 12,000 posts. People's personal opinions are formed perhaps out of personal experience. GB's posts are not personal, in fact just the opposite, she just see's things her way like others do. Free world and all that.

Nic99

07-13-2009, 03:21 PM

Thank you.

But I really wasn't being sarcastic. I don't know Arnie's credentials but I would bet they are good. Too bad he engaged in misconduct.

mo

Exactly what I stated in my post to you, so you do understand. I am certainly not looking for an argument, just stating my opinion, which differs from yours. Freedom of speech an' all.....

bkwits

07-13-2009, 03:30 PM

Always good to read your posts. GentleBreeze, seems we have another troll to deal with. IMO personal opinion

I haven't been posting a great deal on IS lately, but are we now allowed to call another poster a troll?

Nic99

07-13-2009, 03:31 PM

Well, yeh, I just checked him out. University of Pennsylvania with a major in biology and U of P Medical School, cum laude.

Residency at U of P and UCLA. Smart guy.

Too bad he destroyed himself.

mo

and MJ in the process. I truly hope these Doctors are held accountable and something is done so that this can never every happen again in the future. Else, what is the point tbh. These people are trusted professionals and should be held responsible for their misdemeanours in the courts of law.

vonna

07-13-2009, 03:32 PM

I actually have not opinion about Jackson's changing skin tone. However didn't his close friend and collaborator Quincy Jones say that Michael wanted to be white? I heard that on TV and saw it repeated several times.

IMO

I think that's obvious. The black news anchor who really has the disease and pictures to prove it - applies black makeup. He isn't bleaching himself white.

Pretty Leaf

07-13-2009, 03:36 PM

Who cares if the concerts were sold out? There was no way he could have done more than one concert.

Let's help you get caught up on reality. MJ couldn't perform anymore. He hasn't in years. No new music, no nothing. Everytime he said he would, he bailed. The only reason he decided to do these concerts because he was forced to. He was in such debt and this would help him get out from under. There was no way MJ, being old, anorexic and drug addicted self would last more than one night.

MJ had an addiction to plastic surgery. Can't you tell by looking at him? You can't be serious that you don't think his plastic surgery was excessive. You must see something the whole doesn't.

imo

:rolleyes:

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/michael-jackson-left-endless-supply-of-unreleased-1003990274.story

"Michael Jackson had a mountain of unreleased recordings in the vault when he died — music that is almost certain to be packaged and repackaged for his fans in the years to come.

The material includes unused tracks from studio sessions of some of Jackson's best albums, as well as more recently recorded songs made with Senegalese R&B singer and producer Akon and Black Eyed Peas frontman will.i.am....

"Two weeks before he died, he wrapped up work on an elaborate production dubbed the "Dome Project," which could be the final finished video piece overseen by Jackson. Two people with knowledge of the project confirmed its existence Monday to The Associated Press on condition they not be identified because they signed confidentiality agreements"

Seems he has alot of products ready to roll. Sure some songs were from the 90's but the Black Eyed Pead with will..i.am are fairly recent entertainers. He had his hand in a few pots before he died.

As for.. There was no way MJ, being old, anorexic and drug addicted self would last more than one night. tell that to the likes of Keith Richards.

Nic99

07-13-2009, 03:37 PM

I think that's obvious. The black news anchor who really has the disease and pictures to prove it - applies black makeup. He isn't bleaching himself white.

You cannot bleach yourself white..... there is no such process. Please provide a link where it is possible to do so, because this is a first. It depends on how dark your skin tone as to which colour is best to camouflage with, it was never truly white imo. He had vitiligo, which is an awful disease and very unforgiving. What is the harm in trying to even out that tone to the nearest to the majority of the skin tone left. I think he covered it well and it was never bleached, there is no such thing out there imo.

CANDYKISSES

07-13-2009, 03:40 PM

Thank you. Especially someone who isn't.

Unbelievable.

Exactly where do your personal questions posed to GB fall in this UNBELIEVABLE fiasco?

Your posts are veiled insulting remarks directed at a poster and called HARASSMENT IMOO. Asking a poster if they are related and then trying to tell them what their posts sound like would most likely be considered breaking the TOS here if a moderator was reviewing them. But that is JMO. :ohmy:

Nic99

07-13-2009, 03:40 PM

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/michael-jackson-left-endless-supply-of-unreleased-1003990274.story

"Michael Jackson had a mountain of unreleased recordings in the vault when he died — music that is almost certain to be packaged and repackaged for his fans in the years to come.

The material includes unused tracks from studio sessions of some of Jackson's best albums, as well as more recently recorded songs made with Senegalese R&B singer and producer Akon and Black Eyed Peas frontman will.i.am....

"Two weeks before he died, he wrapped up work on an elaborate production dubbed the "Dome Project," which could be the final finished video piece overseen by Jackson. Two people with knowledge of the project confirmed its existence Monday to The Associated Press on condition they not be identified because they signed confidentiality agreements"

Seems he has alot of products ready to roll. Sure some songs were from the 90's but the Black Eyed Pead with will..i.am are fairly recent entertainers. He had his hand in a few pots before he died.

As for.. There was no way MJ, being old, anorexic and drug addicted self would last more than one night. tell that to the likes of Keith Richards.

Yeah you're right the Black Eyed Peas are around now and are great and out there. It would have been fantastic and I can't wait to hear anything new if they ever release it. LOL about the bit about Keith Richards, how true is that...

Pretty Leaf

07-13-2009, 03:41 PM

I haven't been posting a great deal on IS lately, but are we now allowed to call another poster a troll?

I did not call another person a troll I stated that it seems we have another poster troll. No names, no nics lotsa trolls on this and other boards other word... baiters.

The only thing I should have added is IMO. Sorry forgot so all this is IMOHO.

mrsmcgoo

07-13-2009, 03:42 PM

I have said that I do not know why the other operations took place. Did he want them or did he need them? Could it be because they could only narrow the nose down a little at a time? I don't know.

I guess what I am getting at is that there were other features besides his nose that were clearly altered. I make no judgement about this, heck I'd love a facelift if anyone wants to pay for it. lol

I just think that MJ didn't want to be who he was. He wanted to change himself and it was like he wasn't comfortable in his own skin. If you look back through all his pictures, he changed his chin and cheeks numerous times as well. Yet, MJ only owned up to 1 or 2 during his interview with Bashir.

JMO

Nic99

07-13-2009, 03:44 PM

ish

07-13-2009, 03:52 PM

He didn't want to be at Neverland ever. How disrespectful of his wishes so his family can profit.

imo

They need the money from his estate to live on, they have been living off him for years. They are a big family, there are lots of children, girlfriends and hangers on that need to be maintained. Not just among the brothers and sisters either, don't you think people like Miko Brando was collecting a nice chunk of change or at least having his expenses paid to be a "friend/go-for/bodyguard" to Michael. It takes loads of money to support hundreds of people, and obviously they expect to live in style, not just a normal middle class life.

Joe and Jermaine want Neverland to bring in the bucks$$$!!! If Michael's body isn't there fewer people will come. IMO, they will have his kids there too, using them to get $$. Katherine hasn't divorced Joe after all these years, my guess is she doesn't want to. I saw Michael's interview with Geraldo in 05 and he sounded like he had come to terms with JOe, said he saw a lot of Joe in himself. One way or another Joe will continue to get money from the estate, directly or indirectly.

Pretty Leaf

07-13-2009, 03:53 PM

IIRC he made the statement in either a Newsweek, People, or Time Magazine interview, and he pointed out that MJ chose to have white children. It is difficult to explain that in the context of being a proud black man.

As discussed earlier way back when Paris's colouring is not far off from Latoya's or Janets. It can be compared when Paris spoke at her fathers memorial.

http://www.newsday.com/entertainment/music/ny-etjackson0708,0,5529435.story

Blanket is black and his face is very much like Michael's pre surgery

Also in same photo's Prince Michael has somewhat darker skin than even Paris.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/07/michael-jacksons-kids-pri_n_227210.html

fizzle

07-13-2009, 03:53 PM

You cannot bleach yourself white..... there is no such process. Please provide a link where it is possible to do so, because this is a first. It depends on how dark your skin tone as to which colour is best to camouflage with, it was never truly white imo. He had vitiligo, which is an awful disease and very unforgiving. What is the harm in trying to even out that tone to the nearest to the majority of the skin tone left. I think he covered it well and it was never bleached, there is no such thing out there imo.

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=64167

hydroquinone...

It doesn't exactly bleach, per se, but inhibits the production of melanin.

mrsmcgoo

07-13-2009, 03:53 PM

That interview is being repeated on UK TV tonight at 9 pm, not sure I want to watch again though:thumbdown:

I'm with you on that one. Once is enough for that interview in my opinion.

:thumbdown:

Firehead11

07-13-2009, 03:56 PM

I guess what I am getting at is that there were other features besides his nose that were clearly altered. I make no judgement about this, heck I'd love a facelift if anyone wants to pay for it. lol

I just think that MJ didn't want to be who he was. He wanted to change himself and it was like he wasn't comfortable in his own skin. If you look back through all his pictures, he changed his chin and cheeks numerous times as well. Yet, MJ only owned up to 1 or 2 during his interview with Bashir.

JMO

I don't know mrsmcgoo. I think he went through a lot of things about himself from his childhood on. I just think that none of us really knew what was going on behind the scenes. I think people want to know so much about famous people that is really none of their business. It certainly is none of our business how many surgeries that Jackson had or the reasons behind them but it has become a debate all because one person "feels" that such and such is the trurh.

I don't know of anyone who could say that they understood Jackson and his motives. Maybe when his children get older we might get some insight to the real world of Jackson.

It is a shame he is dead. There could have been so much more he could have offered the world if he only wanted to.

bkwits

07-13-2009, 03:57 PM

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/michael-jackson-left-endless-supply-of-unreleased-1003990274.story

respectfully snipped for space

As for.. There was no way MJ, being old, anorexic and drug addicted self would last more than one night. tell that to the likes of Keith Richards.

Great point. That was a real "gotcha." :lol:

mrsmcgoo

07-13-2009, 03:59 PM

Since we are on the subject of colour, I find it very strange that MJ or somebody dyed the oldest sons hair!

I see in pictures of him when he was quite young, he was very blond, with dark roots. I know some children do have lighter hair colour when they are young children, but I don't think that is the case when you see the roots clearly in some of the pictures.

JMO

Nic99

07-13-2009, 04:01 PM

So that would be in about 10 minutes from now in the UK or at 2AM if you meant EST? What BBC channel is it on?

Actually it is being shown on Thursday on ITV1, I thought it was tonight, but was looking quickly through the TV guide at my mum's earlier and got the day wrong. I don't see the point of showing it though, such a biased interview and will be very sad to see it now imo...

CANDYKISSES

07-13-2009, 04:02 PM

Now that's just silly. It's perfectly obvious from the posts that the poster is very emotionally charged up about Michael jackson so I was wondering if she knew him. Sheesh...talk about a drama queen. Harassment? Yikes! How paranoid.

This thread is turning my stomach so I'm outta here.

mo

Here is a great read on the way......

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=349418

WOW, and now you can engage in name calling when called on your offensive posting? Have you read the TOS?

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=348901

There is no reason everyone can't post here without harassment IMHO.

mrsmcgoo

07-13-2009, 04:03 PM

I don't know mrsmcgoo. I think he went through a lot of things about himself from his childhood on. I just think that none of us really knew what was going on behind the scenes. I think people want to know so much about famous people that is really none of their business. It certainly is none of our business how many surgeries that Jackson had or the reasons behind them but it has become a debate all because one person "feels" that such and such is the trurh.

I don't know of anyone who could say that they understood Jackson and his motives. Maybe when his children get older we might get some insight to the real world of Jackson.

It is a shame he is dead. There could have been so much more he could have offered the world if he only wanted to.

Very true. Someday we might know more. I just see someone who didn't want to be himself.

It's a shame that he died, he was very talented, but in my opinion a very troubled man.

JMO

Firehead11

07-13-2009, 04:03 PM

I have a simple question, what will people think if Jackson's tox results are all normal?

Pretty Leaf

07-13-2009, 04:04 PM

bkwits

07-13-2009, 04:07 PM

As discussed earlier way back when Paris's colouring is not far off from Latoya's or Janets. It can be compared when Paris spoke at her fathers memorial.

http://www.newsday.com/entertainment/music/ny-etjackson0708,0,5529435.story

Blanket is black and his face is very much like Michael's pre surgery

Also in same photo's Prince Michael has somewhat darker skin than even Paris.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/07/michael-jacksons-kids-pri_n_227210.html

I think they had make-up on. I've seen many other photos where their skin looks much lighter. Paris's eyes are blue and in the one photo her hand is much whiter than her face. In some pictures the two older children are blond with fair skin.

Prince Michael 11 is darker than the other two. He may have AA parentage. I refuse to call him "blanket." IMO, it is demeaning. Like he is a non-person or possession.

IMO

Nic99

07-13-2009, 04:07 PM

I have a simple question, what will people think if Jackson's tox results are all normal?

Well, TBH I will be surprised, because I believe that MJ was fed these prescriptive drugs that were no good for him for sometime, by so called professional Doctors who were supposedly caring for him. I would find it very hard to believe that there are no tox results on him, at his age, his weight, etc, he doesn't seem a prime target for a heart attack imo.

fizzle

07-13-2009, 04:09 PM

I have a simple question, what will people think if Jackson's tox results are all normal?

I highly doubt they will be, but for the sake of the question, I would then wonder if his alleged "anorexia" may have contributed to the cardiac arrest. Especially after a grueling rehearsal the evening before. It is possible that that could have dehydrated him, and depleted him of necessary electrolytes. If he was truly anorexic, or at the very least malnourished, that could have killed him.

LordMisRule

07-13-2009, 04:17 PM

and MJ in the process. I truly hope these Doctors are held accountable and something is done so that this can never every happen again in the future. Else, what is the point tbh. These people are trusted professionals and should be held responsible for their misdemeanours in the courts of law.

If Murray did have a hand in MJ's death, I hope he is stripped of his medical license, monetarily fined, and also serves actual prison time. Maybe it will cause other doctors who have celebrities on their patient lists to think twice before filling out that prescription. If Michael Jackson died because of the careless disregard for a dangerous anesthetic, then he is as responsible for his own death as the doctor who administered it. He was warned by the nurse Cherilynn Lee. IMO.

ish

07-13-2009, 04:17 PM

Today the O2 tour was scheduled to begin....

The folllowing article quotes the AEG promoter stating that at rehearsal the night before Jackson died, he was healthy and vibrant...

Phillips later told ABC concert organizers feared that Jackson was losing weight and showing signs of wear and tear. He said he hired a staffer whose purpose was to remind Jackson to eat.

No way he was in shape for this tour imo, the over extension of himself from rehearsals and performances alone would have killed him, had drugs not even been in the picture. imo.

http://omg.yahoo.com/news/jackson-healthy-or-not-depends-on-whos-talking/25122

Hired a staffer who job it was to remind Jackson to eat. Give me a break. This tells me they knew darn well he wasn't in good shape. Normal healthy people don't "forget to eat" . I don't believe a professional entertainer with Michael Jackson's experience and knowledge of the tremendous strain and drain a long tour would be taking on him would need someone to remind him to eat, I think most seasoned entertainers make sure they have a personal chef to prepare nutritional meals.

Nic99

07-13-2009, 04:20 PM

"The choice of therapy depends on the number of white patches; their location, sizes, and how widespread they are

Depigmentation—this treatment involves fading the rest of the skin on the body to match the areas that are already white. For people who have vitiligo on more than 50 percent of their bodies, depigmentation may be the best treatment option. Patients apply the drug monobenzylether of hydroquinone (monobenzone or Benoquin*) twice a day to pigmented areas until they match the already-depigmented areas. You must avoid direct skin-to-skin contact with other people for at least 2 hours after applying the drug, as transfer of the drug may cause depigmentation of the other person's skin. The major side effect of depigmentation therapy is inflammation (redness and swelling) of the skin. You may experience itching or dry skin. Depigmentation tends to be permanent and is not easily reversed. In addition, a person who undergoes depigmentation will always be unusually sensitive to sunlight.

http://www.medicinenet.com/vitiligo/page4.htm#tocl

Thanks for that information Athena2. I know how distressing vitiligo can be, through family experience, and it is almost impossible to cover, but, there are ways to disguise. I think MJ found a very good way to disguise his and good for him. No-one would want this awful illness and he should not be frowned upon for covering up in a very good way imo.

LordMisRule

07-13-2009, 04:22 PM

I have a simple question, what will people think if Jackson's tox results are all normal?

Propofol (or Diprivan) has a half life, so normal tox results may very well be possible. I remember the CNN MD consultant also said that they may not be able to detect Propofol as it is elminated through the system very rapidly once it is stopped being given intravenously.

ish

07-13-2009, 04:32 PM

Dr. Klein suggested that the surgeries were done for medical reasons. :rolleyes:

Poor Arnie. He's probably a very good Dr. but this will destroy him.

mo

He also said that Michael considered his face a "work of art" and that he (Klein) was instrumental in getting Michael to stop having the surgeries and allow Klein to "repair" the damage. I think Michael found a doctor with an ego that needed massaging, took advantage of that and cultivated a relationship that helped both of them out. MJ got his drugs and Klein got to work with his reconstruction theories. They used each other. And Debbie got dragged into it. They were star struck, and MJ used that to get what he wanted.

Nic99

07-13-2009, 04:37 PM

That would be true if MJ had of collapsed later in the day..however.if MJ died either during the treatment or when being brought out of it..That drug will be found..no doubt about it..

Further ..and only my instincts here..I think they already have that result..and that is why LE is working to get medicals charts, and brought in DEA to check pharmaceutial connections..Just a gut feeling there

I have posted many times on the Half-life of this drug..and know how short acting it is..but it is not immediate "out of system" either..it has to be metabolized and excreted..and if Mj died..before it could be excreted..It will be a can be found in numerous places (liver, brain, kidney's bladder) course I am talking about it's metabolites..

LMS

Well it sounds to me if won't be long before we all find out the real truth by your educated post. I think your gut feeling will be right, as often gut feelings are, and we will know what truly happened to MJ.

legalmania

07-13-2009, 05:12 PM

That would be true if MJ had of collapsed later in the day..however.if MJ died either during the treatment or when being brought out of it..That drug will be found..no doubt about it..

Further ..and only my instincts here..I think they already have that result..and that is why LE is working to get medicals charts, and brought in DEA to check pharmaceutial connections..Just a gut feeling there

I have posted many times on the Half-life of this drug..and know how short acting it is..but it is not immediate "out of system" either..it has to be metabolized and excreted..and if Mj died..before it could be excreted..It will be a can be found in numerous places (liver, brain, kidney's bladder) course I am talking about it's metabolites..

LMS

I've heard several versions was he standing and passed out in front of his son as NG said or was he in bed?

legalmania

07-13-2009, 05:21 PM

I don't know if this is right?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/07/13/earlyshow/leisure/celebspot/main5154980.shtml?tag=stack

legalmania

07-13-2009, 05:31 PM

I think this sad, poor, frail, sick guy died from a cardiac event totally unrelated to any drugs. :sad::sad:

I don't know there are some very powerful drugs here.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/07/10/entertainment/michaeljackson/main5149339.shtml?tag=pop

legalmania

07-13-2009, 05:35 PM

Can this doctor be trusted?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/07/09/entertainment/main5145776.shtml

legalmania

07-13-2009, 05:39 PM

I know legal..but havent heard from which sources those extraneous descriptons came from either..who would or could suggest one of the kids saw this?/Didnt hear that..however for myself..I tend to believe given the time of the call(911) and the timeline of his return from the rehearsals..( after midnight )..I tend to surmise that he was put under during that night.and awakened..likely about 1030AM..and rather doubt the kids had any exosure to their daddy during that time either...

I dont know who to believe when it cmes to extraneous reports..but tend to look at the medical significant details...and IF Diprivan was used..no way Jose those kids were even close to him..much less see what their daddy did to himself...

BTW..I have no idea who was minding those kids..who was their caregiver??who was incharge of them?..Havent heard one peep about that either..Grace was out of the country at the time..so who was there for them during those weeks of medical visits..and rehearsals??

LMS

:sad:

Is this the drug they give and you count back from 100? I think I only got to 97 the few times I had surgery.

legalmania

07-13-2009, 05:41 PM

In his body? He did have a full time Doc trained in Cardiology by his bed side. Everyone will know soon the results of the Coroner's autopsy. I don't know about the second one.

It kind of freaked me out when I saw your user name because I was just online with abc news. I thought they tracked me down.

kellabeck

07-13-2009, 05:43 PM

So I guess for some people Michael Jackson was not only not a serial boy-molester, he wasn't a drug addict either.

It's sad how Michael surrounded himself with SO MANY people who lie/d about him. They are apparently all liars.:rolleyes:

aproudmom

07-13-2009, 05:43 PM

OPEN LETTER TO A MICHAEL JACKSON ACCUSER (THE ARVIZO FAMILY): Subpoenaed by the defense in 2005, Azja Pryor writes to Jackson's 2nd accuser

Dear Gavin, Star, Davellin, and Janet:

After Michael's tragic death last week, I have to say that all the negative feelings I've had towards your family following the outrageous claims made by you Gavin and your mother Janet--against Michael--came back to me tenfold. The pain, disappointment, anger, and betrayal I feel towards you simply cannot be put into words.

http://eurweb.com/story/eur54470.cfm

Hi Athena thank you so much for the link I APPRECIATE IT..

legalmania

07-13-2009, 05:44 PM

aproudmom

07-13-2009, 05:49 PM

Is this the drug they give and you count back from 100? I think I only got to 97 the few times I had surgery.

All I got to was 99 and was out..so yeah you are out so fast and awake and ask if your done...they gave it to me when I had my gallbladder removed..I was scare to death for them to strap my arms down in the OR and they assured me I would be out long before my anxiety took over

vonna

07-13-2009, 05:49 PM

Pretty Leaf

07-13-2009, 05:52 PM

I

respectivly snipped

BTW..I have no idea who was minding those kids..who was their caregiver??who was incharge of them?..Havent heard one peep about that either..Grace was out of the country at the time..so who was there for them during those weeks of medical visits..and rehearsals??

LMS

:sad:

What I wonder is why it was the doctor that told the kids Michael was dead. Tried to find a link but google showed many sites but did not read all to hunt this down. I am sure some of you might remember that.

You would think the family should have told them, taken them to the hosp (BTW who took them to the hosp?) to be with family. I don't think they could have stayed at the house, they would have known something was wrong with the ambulance.

If the doc went to the hosp with Michael then when did he tell the kids?
Before they went to the hosp, then Michael was already dead before
first responders came.

The kids went to the hosp so if they had not already been told, then the family would have told them.

Just something I've thought about.

aproudmom

07-13-2009, 05:53 PM

Well, I guess that would depend on when you experienced that..back in the day..'Pentathol" was the drug used.. ( taste of garlic) there are a whole cocktail of meds that have been used..some to use for sedation..some to paralyse..some to relax muscles..effects to autonomic nervous system..etc..but from the time you say salut..til you wake up..you are basically in limbo..coma like.supported by extraordinary means..like ventilators..and the such..

This drug ( Diprivan) is only one of a coacktail used in aneasthesia for surgery..depending on which state the surgeon requires...

LMS:laugh:

this one has a burning feeling to it..I do remember that cause they had to give me something for the burn..and I know it was this one I ask my Doctor to look it up.but you are correct it just depends on what the doctor uses

legalmania

07-13-2009, 05:54 PM

Well, I guess that would depend on when you experienced that..back in the day..'Pentathol" was the drug used.. ( taste of garlic) there are a whole cocktail of meds that have been used..some to use for sedation..some to paralyse..some to relax muscles..effects to autonomic nervous system..etc..but from the time you say salut..til you wake up..you are basically in limbo..coma like.supported by extraordinary means..like ventilators..and the such..

This drug ( Diprivan) is only one of a cococktailsed in ananaesthesiaor surgery..depending on which state the surgeon requires...

LMS:laugh:

Well my first surgery was for tonsils I was six don't remember much at all. When I told them I was allergic to shellfish they would say oh and walk off, I don't remember any garlic taste.

aproudmom

07-13-2009, 05:57 PM

legalmania

07-13-2009, 05:57 PM

All I got to was 99 and was out..so yeah you are out so fast and awake and ask if your done...they gave it to me when I had my gallbladder removed..I was scare to death for them to strap my arms down in the OR and they assured me I would be out long before my anxiety took over

Like I said I was only six for my first surgery and right before the nurses and doctors put me out they were having an ice fight. I was so scared, I was little and very ill and they are playing around.

imc_e

07-13-2009, 05:58 PM

aproudmom

07-13-2009, 06:00 PM

What I wonder is why it was the doctor that told the kids Michael was dead. Tried to find a link but google showed many sites but did not read all to hunt this down. I am sure some of you might remember that.

You would think the family should have told them, taken them to the hosp (BTW who took them to the hosp?) to be with family. I don't think they could have stayed at the house, they would have known something was wrong with the ambulance.

If the doc went to the hosp with Michael then when did he tell the kids?
Before they went to the hosp, then Michael was already dead before
first responders came.

The kids went to the hosp so if they had not already been told, then the family would have told them.

Just something I've thought about.

have no clue but there was body guards and a personal chef in the home so maybe they got there by security....IIRC did Jermaine tell them and someone else..

legalmania

07-13-2009, 06:01 PM

Joe Jackson has blue eyes and he is a black man.

It does happen.

I think the kids may well be Jacksons own blood.

jmo

I didn't know Joe had blue eyes, I've seen it a lot, I think it really makes their eyes stick out and looks so good.

aproudmom

07-13-2009, 06:09 PM

Michael Jackson's children: Just leave them alone

With the dozens of stories that will undoubtedly follow about who gets custody, how they're coping, how much money they've got left, it's highly likely that their lives will get a lot more crowded and intruded upon.

And think about how much more rapacious the paparazzi have gotten even since the time their father released the song, "Leave Me Alone," decrying the treatment he was getting from the tabloids then (and this was before the internet). If the stars of a little reality show like Jon and Kate Plus 8 can grace the cover of tabloids for months on end, imagine what may happen to Michael Jackson's children
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=So-kNWU02QY

aproudmom

07-13-2009, 06:12 PM

Aproudmom..this drug (Diprivan) is known for that burning..this is why lidocaine is used to numb the vein to that feeling..and I do recall they did find Lidocaine in MJs bedroom...Wont say any more on that..I think by now..you all know how I think..LOL

LMS:rolleyes:

no I don't know your feeling on it..was just saying I have been given the drug but in a hospital and yeah I knew they gave me something for the burning

imc_e

07-13-2009, 06:13 PM

I didn't know Joe had blue eyes, I've seen it a lot, I think it really makes their eyes stick out and looks so good.

MJ said they were blue but apparently they are green.

But Jackson lives in denial. That much is clear. "My father has blue eyes," he told Bashir. Not true. Maybe he wears blue contact lenses when he's with Michael. But Joseph Jackson has green eyes. You saw them on TV. I've seen him from a foot away.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,77884,00.html

pics: :sleep:

http://www.mjifc.nl/e107_plugins/content/images/meet-the-family/joseph-walter-jackson-meet-the-family.jpg

http://cm1.theinsider.com/media/0/83/35/joe_jackson.0.0.0x0.369x563.jpeg

jmo

aproudmom

07-13-2009, 06:19 PM

Blanket" is the nickname for singer Michael Jackson's second son, Prince Michael Jackson II. It was explained in the following manner, by the King of Pop himself, in his own words. "It's an expression I use with my family and my employees. I say, 'You should blanket me or you should blanket her', meaning like a blanket is a blessing. It's a way of showing love and caring." That is what Michael, or Mr. Jackson, as I call him, said in his own words.

GentleBreeze

07-13-2009, 06:22 PM

Hired a staffer who job it was to remind Jackson to eat. Give me a break. This tells me they knew darn well he wasn't in good shape. Normal healthy people don't "forget to eat" . I don't believe a professional entertainer with Michael Jackson's experience and knowledge of the tremendous strain and drain a long tour would be taking on him would need someone to remind him to eat, I think most seasoned entertainers make sure they have a personal chef to prepare nutritional meals.

It is well known MJ never liked food much. Even Liz Taylor years ago would sit there and make sure MJ ate some food.

imo

Ice Cycle

07-13-2009, 06:27 PM

I think they had make-up on. I've seen many other photos where their skin looks much lighter. Paris's eyes are blue and in the one photo her hand is much whiter than her face. In some pictures the two older children are blond with fair skin.

Prince Michael 11 is darker than the other two. He may have AA parentage. I refuse to call him "blanket." IMO, it is demeaning. Like he is a non-person or possession.

IMO

Had to post to this as I have to agree with you on the "blanket" name, just for different reasons. It is one thing to be unique but it is really getting ridiculous some of the names the stars are coming up with, APPLE???
Regarding the pictures with them with blond hair, alot of kids have blond hair when they are young (sometimes young hair lightens easy by the sun). One of my children had blond hair up till pre teen then it changed to dark and both of them had hair that sun lightened easy.
Also and I have said this before but I think both of his son's look alike. Was one of my first thoughts when I saw them.

bkwits

07-13-2009, 06:27 PM

Joe Jackson has blue eyes and he is a black man.

It does happen.

I think the kids may well be Jacksons own blood.

jmo

Joe Jackson (Michael's father) does not have blue eyes. They are brown or one could possibly call them hazel, not blue at all.

http://www.joseph-jackson.de/

legalmania

07-13-2009, 06:29 PM

For those that wish to know and understand "Aneasthesai"..here's a link..which explains the various levels and ways to get various results..

As I already said..there are multiple meds/drug that these guys can use to get desired effects..and the whole field has made numerous changes throughout the years..The constant thing to me is..proper monitoring, and supportive equipement is manditory!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaesthetic

Today, the term general anesthesia in its most general form can include:[2]

Analgesia: blocking the conscious sensation of pain;
Hypnosis: producing unconsciousness;
Amnesia: preventing memory formation;
Paralysis: preventing unwanted movement or muscle tone;
Obtundation of reflexes, preventing exaggerated autonomic reflexes

From this link..here is the level of education they should have...

In the US, a physician specializing in anesthesiology completes 4 years of college, 4 years of medical school, 1 year of internship, and 3 years of residency. According to the American Society of Anesthesiologists, anesthesiologists provide or participate in more than 90 percent of the 40 million anesthetics delivered annually.[15]

It's a very specialized field..and as far as Dr. Murray goes..I just dont get the impression he was particularly well educated in this form of treatments..Cant definitatively prove that..but given the outcome ..I maintain my misgivings!

LMS

Thanks Lynda, I hope I don't need any of those any time soon.

legalmania

07-13-2009, 06:33 PM

Joe Jackson (Michael's father) does not have blue eyes. They are brown or one could possibly call them hazel, not blue at all.

http://www.joseph-jackson.de/

In that picture they look hazel /green but with hazel they change so who knows.

aproudmom

07-13-2009, 06:33 PM

why did his letter say he WAS leaving indefinitely but then it also said in the same letter his absence would NOT be permanent:confused:

http://www.aolcdn.com/tmz_documents/0626_conrad_letter_wm.pdf

imc_e

07-13-2009, 06:33 PM

Joe Jackson (Michael's father) does not have blue eyes. They are brown or one could possibly call them hazel, not blue at all.

http://www.joseph-jackson.de/

Thank you, thank you very much..

Ya read back a bit, I posted a few links and corrected myself.

:thumbsup:

Kathlb

07-13-2009, 06:36 PM

Well my first surgery was for tonsils I was six don't remember much at all. When I told them I was allergic to shellfish they would say oh and walk off, I don't remember any garlic taste.

I go back far enough I had my tonsils out at 6 also and they used ether. Oh boy..that taste and smell still lives in my mind. And a weird dream that the dr. was speaking like some ghoul. :scared:

bkwits

07-13-2009, 06:37 PM

legalmania

07-13-2009, 06:39 PM

I go back far enough I had my tonsils out at 6 also and they used ether. Oh boy..that taste and smell still lives in my mind. And a weird dream that the dr. was speaking like some ghoul. :scared:

Did you get the coca gum? I hated it but my sister and neighbor loved it they ate it all up. It had cocaine in it.

legalmania

07-13-2009, 06:43 PM

This was your comment and I responded. YOU used the word twisted -- and implied that he preyed upon "terminal children" So just how many "terminal children" did he allegedly prey upon? :rolleyes:

Wasn't Ryan about 19 when he died, I think he would have said something.

imc_e

07-13-2009, 06:46 PM

Whichever......my guess is that he wears colored contact lenses cause Joe Jackson sure doesn't have natural light eyes.

And because all of the Jacksons appear to want to change the way they look.

moo

You could be right! :smile:

Kathlb

07-13-2009, 06:49 PM

Did you get the coca gum? I hated it but my sister and neighbor loved it they ate it all up. It had cocaine in it.

No, I got nothing good like that. ROFL Just the ether on something they put over my face. Ick. I'm so glad that they have come far past that stuff.

legalmania

07-13-2009, 06:51 PM

No, I got nothing good like that. ROFL Just the ether on something they put over my face. Ick. I'm so glad that they have come far past that stuff.

When I went back to the doctor for a check up the doctor asked me if I needed anymore gum my sister made me say yes. It was pink, I didn't want to swallow anything.

bkwits

07-13-2009, 06:57 PM

In that picture they look hazel /green but with hazel they change so who knows.

My eyes are hazel/green and don't look like his at all. I don't see any green in his eyes. My husband eyes were hazel/brown and more similar to that photo, but the lights sometimes catch the glint and make the eyes look lighter. Joe J's eyes appear more brown than anything.

IMO

legalmania

07-13-2009, 07:01 PM

My eyes are hazel/green and don't look like his at all. I don't see any green in his eyes. My husband eyes were hazel/brown and more similar to that photo, but the lights sometimes catch the glint and make the eyes look lighter. Joe J's eyes appear more brown than anything.

IMO

It depends on what you wear also. It's really hard to tell in a photograph, sometimes my eyes look like I was in the thriller video.

imc_e

07-13-2009, 07:01 PM

I just don't think Michael would abuse somebody so sick. Michael was different but I don't think he was a monster.

Especially after his own childhood of abuse, I can't see him hurting an ill child, in that way.

Besides, nothing was ever proven, and thats the case.

And blue, green, grey or brown eyes.

Black or white skin.

Doesn't matter anymore.

He is GONE, and may he rest in peace, his music will live on forever, and we will be able to see that his kids are well cared for and raised the way he would have wanted.

:thumbsup:

Legal, thanks for all the songs that you post because it does add a LOT to the forums.

imc_e

07-13-2009, 07:02 PM

..Duh..You were claiming it can be done..and someone claimed it couldnt..So take it for what its worth Bly..

Sorry..I wont bother in future..

LMS

Lynda

I read your article and I enjoyed it, thank you for posting the info!

:thumbsup:

legalmania

07-13-2009, 07:06 PM

Especially after his own childhood of abuse, I can't see him hurting an ill child, in that way.

Besides, nothing was ever proven, and thats the case.

And blue, green, grey or brown eyes.

Black or white skin.

Doesn't matter anymore.

He is GONE, and may he rest in peace, his music will live on forever, and we will be able to see that his kids are well cared for and raised the way he would have wanted.

:thumbsup:

Legal, thanks for all the songs that you post because it does add a LOT to the forums.

Your more than welcomed, I enjoy playing it since I'm spending money on it I might as well use it right?

legalmania

07-13-2009, 07:10 PM

Speaking of music, dedicated to you MJ. Long live the kings music.

----------------
Now playing: Michael Jackson - In The Closet (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/michael_jackson/track/in_the_closet)
via FoxyTunes (http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/)

VC2

07-13-2009, 07:11 PM

Yes but J Jackson isn't one of them, imo. I remember him from years ago and he does not have light eyes. He may wish he did.....but that doesn't make it so.

I would not put it past any Jackson to change anything about his/her appearance. Not one of them look like they did when they first came to Motown.

moo

well i would hope not, that was 30 years ago.

IMO

imc_e

07-13-2009, 07:14 PM

Greasy Jermaine looks the same IMO

I basically agree with you. What gets me is the FAKE soft spoken voices they all like to use. barf

I don't find Jermaine greasy or fake at all.

I saw a brother grieving, and what a lovely job he did singing for his brothers memorial. Michael would have been emotionally touched by his gesture.

Now thats a gift.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ai3TIMBsrFI

jmo

vonna

07-13-2009, 07:18 PM

Not true.

MJ used Benoquin

http://www.benoquin-monobenzone.com/home.html

Thanks Bly!!

vonna

07-13-2009, 07:19 PM

Not true.

MJ used Benoquin

http://www.benoquin-monobenzone.com/home.html

Thanks, Bly!!

legalmania

07-13-2009, 07:20 PM

I strongly disagree.

There is still a stigma, shame and embarrassment, especially for male children. They STILL do not tell most of the time.

The most accurate statistics come from polygraphed convicted pedophiles in treatment. Most molest upwards of 30 boys before ONE tells.

Well I know if I want to see if there are any child molesters living in my neighborhood I can see their face, but 15 years ago I couldn't, so somebody is telling.

Firehead11

07-13-2009, 07:21 PM

Anyone watching JVM?..There is alot of blame against "Nation of Islam"..apparantly according to LaToya and Oxman..the family has been very upset and worried for years...one example..arrangements for the last rental home at 100,000.00 a month that should have been in the relmf of 25,000.00/month..and so on..Dont have the link.it is live now on HLN..JVM..

Dont shoot the messenger..only relaying whats going on..

LMS

Wouldn't that be easy to confirm with the rental agency? I think LaToya is also reporting that 2 million in cash and jewelry was also missing from the rented home.

Do you remember right after he died, someone called a sibling and asked where he kept the money and stuff in the house?

legalmania

07-13-2009, 07:27 PM

I've appreciated them too, legalmania.

Ever hear this song? Diana Ross wrote it for Marvin Gaye, but I think it could serve as a memoriam for Michael Jackson, too:

"Missing You," Diana Ross

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVlbbk4SPC4

I'll tell you something Michael worked with some of the most beautiful women. I mean just gorgeous.

bkwits

07-13-2009, 07:31 PM

Wouldn't that be easy to confirm with the rental agency? I think LaToya is also reporting that 2 million in cash and jewelry was also missing from the rented home.

Do you remember right after he died, someone called a sibling and asked where he kept the money and stuff in the house?

Grace, the nanny, said that Katherine called her and asked where Michael hid his cash. Apparently he usually kept a lot of cash in the house. They are talking about it now on inside edition.

Ice Cycle

07-13-2009, 07:35 PM

It is about time (see below), as I actually read some CA public official, a lady say they think the Jackson family should pay for it.
Ridiculous since CA has more wealthy people than most of the other states.

http://my.att.net/s/editorial.dll?pnum=1&bfromind=7404&eeid=6676026&_sitecat=1479&dcatid=0&eetype=article&render=y&ac=-2&ck=&ch=en&rg=blsadstrgt&_lid=332&_lnm=tg+en+topnews&ck=&l=hm

LA mayor: City should cover Jackson memorial costs

LOS ANGELES (AP) - Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa (vee-yah-ry-GOH'-sah) has criticized his staff for setting up a Web site seeking donations to cover the city's cost from the Michael Jackson memorial.

Villaraigosa says the city is responsible for protecting public safety and should pick up the $1.4 million tab for police overtime and other services from the event last week at Staples Center.

The mayor, who was on vacation in South Africa during the memorial, called the city's donation Web site "ridiculous." He says he will not ask the public or Staples Center owner AEG Live to pay.

It was not immediately clear on Monday how much money the site raised or if the money would be returned.

bkwits

07-13-2009, 07:35 PM

Me thinks Latoya's hubby is in the picture again. jmo

Jack Gordon? Really? That would be a surprise

legalmania

07-13-2009, 07:36 PM

Ummm... You're only able to look up the ones that have been CAUGHT and convicted. Don't get a false sense of security, there are plenty more nearby that have NOT been caught yet.

Just think about how many children the ones you can look up molested BEFORE they were caught & convicted.

Yes ,but you have to admit it's a lot more than 15 years ago and as time goes on more and more kids know they can tell their mother or father or teacher, it's getting better not worse.

legalmania

07-13-2009, 07:44 PM

It is getting better. But no where near 100%. Fifteen years ago, I believe the stats were roughly 65 victims before one told.

I honestly can't recall the breakdown but it varies by age as well. The age range I believe MJ targeted, prepubescent males are the least likely to tell. They blame themselves more often than any other age and far more often than females.

Well now your talking about 90 year olds that is taking advantage.

vonna

07-13-2009, 07:45 PM

CinderL.

07-13-2009, 07:47 PM

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/07/exclusive-partial-michael-jackson-autopsy-results-are

legalmania

07-13-2009, 07:49 PM

And thanks to you, legalmania, for taking the high road. It would be considered rude in my circle of friends to say someone else is wasting his/her life.

Just noticed your post thanks was busy debating with Bly.

CinderL.

07-13-2009, 07:49 PM

All they'd have to do, is allow MJ to be buried at Neverland and make the road leading to it a toll road:wink:

lol. Parking $15.00. :wink:

CinderL.

07-13-2009, 07:59 PM

Parking would be on Neverland property and Old Joe would charge at least $25. to park! ROFL! I can see it now...Joe the parking lot attendant!

That is a picture. :laugh:

VC2

07-13-2009, 08:02 PM

Parking would be on Neverland property and Old Joe would charge at least $25. to park! ROFL! I can see it now...Joe the parking lot attendant!

how? he owns no part of neverland and has been cut out of the estate. Any money would go to the owners and the children

IMO

Tracian

07-13-2009, 08:02 PM

NG covering

Joe Jackson (it is claimed) plans on promoting the children as the Jackson 3....

:cursing:

legalmania

07-13-2009, 08:03 PM

NG covering

Joe Jackson (it is claimed) plans on promoting the children as the Jackson 3....

:cursing:

Are you serious?

ScoobyDoo

07-13-2009, 08:03 PM

Whatever. IMO, Michael Jackson was too egotistical to give his sons their own proper name so he had to call him something. Poor child.

How did you come to the conclusion that you are the one to decide what a proper name is for a child of someone you don't know?

ScoobyDoo

07-13-2009, 08:04 PM

Are you serious?

How serious can she be, when she is listening to a Nancy Grace report?
:blush:

Tracian

07-13-2009, 08:04 PM

Are you serious?

That was said in the start of NG...watching now.

Also, family is saying MJ was murdered for his money!
Secret custody deal!

VC2

07-13-2009, 08:06 PM

any medical ppl, is there any reason that the "4 fresh needle marks" would have been there due to resuscitation efforts (especially if his veins werent great) or happen during autopsy drawing off blood for toxicology?

Cause the coroner says no info was shared with the family yet so obviously its only info from the 2nd autopsy who would not have the records either

Tracian

07-13-2009, 08:06 PM

How serious can she be, when she is listening to a Nancy Grace report?
:blush:

Time will tell if it is right or not.

CinderL.

07-13-2009, 08:06 PM

How serious can she be, when she is listening to a Nancy Grace report?
:blush:

Oh come on Scooby, she is my afternoon laugh of the day. :biggrin:

legalmania

07-13-2009, 08:07 PM

How serious can she be, when she is listening to a Nancy Grace report?
:blush:

I wonder who NG sources are?

legalmania

07-13-2009, 08:08 PM

That was said in the start of NG...watching now.

Also, family is saying MJ was murdered for his money!
Secret custody deal!

They should have waited till after the tour, don't you think?

Tracian

07-13-2009, 08:08 PM

I wonder who NG sources are?

One source is La Toya...reporting on her comments to media

Tracian

07-13-2009, 08:10 PM

They should have waited till after the tour, don't you think?

One would think.

La Toya sat down with a reporter for four hours last week, she says she believes that her brother was murdered..that shady people were in his inner circle.

Tracian

07-13-2009, 08:11 PM

Is that what NG is reporting? Does she plan to beat Geraldo to the punch and announce paternity while she blathering? MO

I dunno...just sharing what I am hearing.

legalmania

07-13-2009, 08:11 PM

CinderL.

07-13-2009, 08:13 PM

Anyone hear about four fresh needle marks in MJ's neck??? I heard something like that in his chest, but 4 in his neck??

CinderL.

07-13-2009, 08:15 PM

Could have been worse. IMO

He could have named his other son Quilt and his daughter Duvet:lol:

That made me laugh. :lol:

Pretty Leaf

07-13-2009, 08:16 PM

That was said in the start of NG...watching now.

Also, family is saying MJ was murdered for his money!
Secret custody deal!

Yes, Debbie show her the money.

Mnchkin426

07-13-2009, 08:17 PM

I strongly disagree.

There is still a stigma, shame and embarrassment, especially for male children. They STILL do not tell most of the time.

The most accurate statistics come from polygraphed convicted pedophiles in treatment. Most molest upwards of 30 boys before ONE tells.

How about providing a link to these statements....or is it just your opinion?

flipflop

07-13-2009, 08:17 PM

Could have been worse. IMO

He could have named his other son Quilt and his daughter Duvet:lol:

Or Apple...per Gwyneth Paltrow. Now there is a lovely baby name. :rolleyes:

bkwits

07-13-2009, 08:18 PM

How did you come to the conclusion that you are the one to decide what a proper name is for a child of someone you don't know?

Because I get to decide what my opinion is.

Tracian

07-13-2009, 08:18 PM

Thanks. I should have added a :) so you would have known I was j/k.

:smile: Sorry if I sounded rude.

La Toya seems to have hit a few reporters...they are showing her picture and headlines to several tabloids.

Pretty Leaf

07-13-2009, 08:19 PM

ET just had on Michael's trip to the Dating Game. Really sweet. Wonder where the little girl (close to 50 now) is.

She won a date to NYC to a Jackson 5 concert.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkrY2XPF35Q

Tracian

07-13-2009, 08:19 PM

Or Apple...per Gwynneth Paltrow. Now there is a lovely baby name. :rolleyes:

ITA...silly names.

VC2

07-13-2009, 08:21 PM

Then how did LaToya know is she working for CSI now?

from what was found at the private autopsy after the official one. I am sure that was shared with the family but it could only go so far in knowing what was done during the first or at the ER since the private one would not have the records from either.

imo

Tracian

07-13-2009, 08:22 PM

I guess NG watches Geraldo. All of this was on Geraldo last night however Geraldo did say a tabloid reported it and said he was not able to confirm it. LOL

LOL, She is not on weekends. The way many of you feel about NG...I feel that x3 in regards to Geraldo. :smile:

legalmania

07-13-2009, 08:24 PM

from what was found at the private autopsy after the official one. I am sure that was shared with the family but it could only go so far in knowing what was done during the first or at the ER since the private one would not have the records from either.

imo

I wonder if the Jacksons had somebody supervising the first autopsy?

CinderL.

07-13-2009, 08:26 PM

Me too.

I can't even type here what I call him at home:laugh:

I only like Geraldo when he's being blown around by a hurricane!!!!!

:laugh:

Can you imagine if Geraldo & NG teamed up to do a show. Drama King & Drama Queen. That would be good for some great laughs. :laugh:

Tracian

07-13-2009, 08:27 PM

Me too.

I can't even type here what I call him at home:laugh:

I only like Geraldo when he's being blown around by a hurricane!!!!!

:lol: Good times!

Pretty Leaf

07-13-2009, 08:28 PM

NG is not that bad; I happen to like her for her fierce advocacy for children. Geraldo has his moments -- but I can't stand DD.

DD is a correspondant for ET on the Jackson case.

legalmania

07-13-2009, 08:29 PM

DD is a correspondant for ET on the Jackson case.

Wow where is my head at I thought she was talking about Donald Duck.

Tracian

07-13-2009, 08:34 PM

La Toya says that Michael had missing money and jewels...according to Oxman. (sp)

VC2

07-13-2009, 08:37 PM

I wonder if the Jacksons had somebody supervising the first autopsy?

No. The coroners spokesperson said only two people were in the room, the coroner doing the autopsy and the detective assigned to watch it.

They kept a tight lid on it for obvious reasons, otherwise we probably would have seen pictures of his autopsy in the tabloids.

NG just had a doctor on who said that it was likely during the resuscitation the 4 needle marks occurred in the neck.

So why are they making it sound like a stunner of proof of addiction or murder?

imo

VC2

07-13-2009, 08:38 PM

VC there is obvious possibility ( to me anyway) that this was likely, when they were attempting to insert central line ( I link that info last night)..but it is also possible Dr. Murray attempted that access as well??..You have to remember, that LaToya may have been speaking from a 2nd autopsy..where as it was done after, reuscitation at home, paramedics, and ER...so who knows??

LMS

thanks Lynda. She had to be speaking from the 2nd autopsy, coroner said tonight that no information has been shared iwth the jackson family on the results of the first.

imo

disneyfreak

07-13-2009, 08:41 PM

VC there is obvious possibility ( to me anyway) that this was likely, when they were attempting to insert central line ( I link that info last night)..but it is also possible Dr. Murray attempted that access as well??..You have to remember, that LaToya may have been speaking from a 2nd autopsy..where as it was done after, reuscitation at home, paramedics, and ER...so who knows??

LMS

Normally, the lines are left in until the autopsy for these exact reasons. When my grandfather died they kept all his lines in so the coroner would know the cause. Once it was determined that he didn't need an autopsy and his certificate was signed they were removed. This can be one of the problems with a second autopsy. This is just one example of the issues the new doctor can face.

Tracian

07-13-2009, 08:42 PM

No. The coroners spokesperson said only two people were in the room, the coroner doing the autopsy and the detective assigned to watch it.

They kept a tight lid on it for obvious reasons, otherwise we probably would have seen pictures of his autopsy in the tabloids.

NG just had a doctor on who said that it was likely during the resuscitation the 4 needle marks occurred in the neck.

So why are they making it sound like a stunner of proof of addiction or murder?

imo

Well La Toya also said that those around him enabled him.

Lisa Marie posted about MJ's alleged drug use.

And of course Uri Geller also said in interviews about this...

It's going to be a circus until the autopsy reports are released.

legalmania

07-13-2009, 08:43 PM

No. The coroners spokesperson said only two people were in the room, the coroner doing the autopsy and the detective assigned to watch it.

They kept a tight lid on it for obvious reasons, otherwise we probably would have seen pictures of his autopsy in the tabloids.

NG just had a doctor on who said that it was likely during the resuscitation the 4 needle marks occurred in the neck.

So why are they making it sound like a stunner of proof of addiction or murder?

imo

It looks to me like they want to have conflicting autopsys. Big mistake, I would have insisted somebody from the Jacksons side be there to watch.

CinderL.

07-13-2009, 08:47 PM

It looks to me like they want to have conflicting autopsys. Big mistake, I would have insisted somebody from the Jacksons side be there to watch.

Someone said that the autopsies don't conflict. Not sure how they know that.

VC2

07-13-2009, 08:47 PM

Well La Toya also said that those around him enabled him.

Lisa Marie posted about MJ's alleged drug use.

And of course Uri Geller also said in interviews about this...

It's going to be a circus until the autopsy reports are released.

oh dont get me wrong, i am not arguing that MJ didn't use prescription drugs.

Its the blaring headlines on NG and other shows today '4 NEEDLE MARKS IN JACKSONS NECK" as if that in itself was to do with substance abuse when the likely answer is ER.

imo

Tracian

07-13-2009, 08:49 PM

oh dont get me wrong, i am not arguing that MJ didn't use prescription drugs.

Its the blaring headlines on NG and other shows today '4 NEEDLE MARKS IN JACKSONS NECK" as if that in itself was to do with substance abuse when the likely answer is ER.

imo

Right, they grap viewers and readers with a headline like that, but at least on NG, she had a doctor on that stated it could have been from life saving attempts.

I am really wondering why La Toya is coming forward at this point with statements.

VC2

07-13-2009, 08:50 PM

Someone said that the autopsies don't conflict. Not sure how they know that.

:lol: reminded me of why Oxman was fired from the defense. I think it was him who said that. I laughed because he said it right after the sentence "I don't know what is in the autopsy, it is a secret" and then that they don't conflict lmao.

I believe the first part more than the 2nd bc no one in their right mind would trust oxman with a secret

IMO

legalmania

07-13-2009, 08:51 PM

Someone said that the autopsies don't conflict. Not sure how they know that.

Why don't they let the public make that decision?

Tracian

07-13-2009, 08:52 PM

I wonder how much she was paid is the question? JMO

I was trying to be delicate. LOL

I wonder how the family feels about her interview.

CinderL.

07-13-2009, 09:03 PM

:lol: reminded me of why Oxman was fired from the defense. I think it was him who said that. I laughed because he said it right after the sentence "I don't know what is in the autopsy, it is a secret" and then that they don't conflict lmao.

I believe the first part more than the 2nd bc no one in their right mind would trust oxman with a secret

IMO

Ha, I don't know who Oxman is so I don't have an opinion of him. But, I did wonder how anyone could know that.