Michael Jacksons Death Thurs 7/9

[4Life]

This thread is to discuss MJ death and current news about it

[tinkerbell]

Thanks for the new thread...

[4Life]

Does anyone know when the autopsy reports are due?

[4Life]

Thanks for the new thread...No problem, that one was way to long and getting out of hand

[tinkerbell]

Does anyone know when the autopsy reports are due?

I heard NG's producer state the earliest would be a week; but who knows?

moo

[FallenAngel♥]

Does anyone know when the autopsy reports are due?

end of the month..........but i'm sure the family has already got the results from the 2nd autopsy.

[4Life]

Thank you Patty and Tinker and Angel

[tinkerbell]

end of the month..........but i'm sure the family has already got the results from the 2nd autopsy.

What is your take on MJ's burial, or lack thereof?


moo

[tinkerbell]

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Yes.........out of hand when YOU bait people.

Bubbles, enough.

[4Life]

What is your take on MJ's burial, or lack thereof?


moo

I heard today on one of the stations that there are reports that MJ was cremated or buried the night before the memorial. The Jacksons may have finally pulled one over on the tabloids and press if this is true
I am sure they really don't want anyone to know where he is buried, not right now anyway

[tinkerbell]

I heard today on one of the stations that there are reports that MJ was cremated or buried the night before the memorial. The Jacksons may have finally pulled one over on the tabloids and press if this is true
I am sure they really don't want anyone to know where he is buried, not right now anyway

I heard those reports as well.

I don't believe MJ's remains have been laid to rest anywhere yet.

Waiting for all of the remains, including the brain, before burial IDK. Trying to come to an agreement within the family, IDK. Did some family members submit a request to have Neverland approved as a cemetery? Seeking permission from Santa Barbara? IDK...

moo

[*Serenity*]

Does anyone know when the autopsy reports are due?

Hi 4life and thank you for a fresh new thread. :)
I am searching for information right now. I ran into this link from Fox about Michael's brain.



Not all of Michael Jackson’s body was lying inside a gold casket at Tuesday’s memorial service in Los Angeles. The King of Pop's brain was literally elsewhere.

Investigators are holding a portion of Jackson’s brain for more tests, and it will be returned to his family once those tests are completesaid Los Angeles County Assistant Chief Coroner Ed Winter.


“With Michael, the brain is important for two reasons,” Baden said. “One, you try to determine whether any type of the unusual behaviors he demonstrated throughout the years may be associated with an abnormality of the brain. Also, if, say, he overdosed a month ago, that may show in the brain.”


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,530760,00.html


I'm still looking for the autopsy information about the condition of his body.

[4Life]

I heard those reports as well.

I don't believe MJ's remains have been laid to rest anywhere yet.

Waiting for all of the remains, including the brain, before burial IDK. Trying to come to an agreement within the family, IDK. Did some family members submit a request to have Neverland approved as a cemetery? Seeking permission from Santa Barbara? IDK...

moo

I heard they could submit a request but not sure if they did

[tinkerbell]

I heard they could submit a request but not sure if they did

Who do you think should have a final "say so"?

moo

[4Life]

Who do you think should have a final "say so"?

moo

Well I guess MJ didn't have a burial spot and didn't say where he wanted to be buried, so I would guess his family should have the final say. If they want him at Neverland they are going to have to go about it thre legal way.
IMO he should just be buried at Forest Lawn, I heard his grandmother is buried there

[tinkerbell]

Well I guess MJ didn't have a burial spot and didn't say where he wanted to be buried, so I would guess his family should have the final say. If they want him at Neverland they are going to have to go about it thre legal way.
IMO he should just be buried at Forest Lawn, I heard his grandmother is buried there

I realize that MJ's will didn't include any of his wishes regarding a funeral or burial. That said, out of the Jackson family members, I believe his mother should have the final "say so".

moo

[4Life]

I realize that MJ's will didn't include any of his wishes regarding a funeral or burial. That said, out of the Jackson family members, I believe his mother should have the final "say so".

moo I agree, his mother she have the final say

[tinkerbell]

I agree, his mother she have the final say

It's gotten really quiet around here; where's the night crew?

moo

[CinderL.]

Quote:
Originally Posted by tinkerbell View Post
And since when does a dermotologist treat lupus and facial rebuilding?

moo

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I have no idea. He would treat Vitiligo. His old acne scars, not the other things. Lupus would not be treated by dermatologist, it is an auto immune deficiency. IMO
*(****
I am bringing this over, because I have family with vitiligo, and none of my family has lupus. I don't know where this came from. ???
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[tinkerbell]

Quote:
Originally Posted by tinkerbell View Post
And since when does a dermotologist treat lupus and facial rebuilding?

moo

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I have no idea. He would treat Vitiligo. His old acne scars, not the other things. Lupus would not be treated by dermatologist, it is an auto immune deficiency. IMO
*(****
I am bringing this over, because I have family with vitiligo, and none of my family has lupus. I don't know where this came from. ???
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Thanks, CinderL

[*Serenity*]

Quote:
Originally Posted by tinkerbell View Post
And since when does a dermotologist treat lupus and facial rebuilding?

moo

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I have no idea. He would treat Vitiligo. His old acne scars, not the other things. Lupus would not be treated by dermatologist, it is an auto immune deficiency. IMO
*(****
I am bringing this over, because I have family with vitiligo, and none of my family has lupus. I don't know where this came from. ???
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Dr Klein was talking about this on GMA and then later reports on the internet, iirc.
Here is a link where he states all of it in one paragraph.
ABC news.

"There was nothing wrong with the manner I treated Michael, because what I had to do is restructure for an individual who had lupus, who had terrible acne scarring his face," he said. "But I was not one of the doctors who participated in giving him overdoses of drugs or too much of anything. In fact, I was the one who limited everything, who stopped everything."

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/MichaelJackson/story?id=8030165&page=1

There's another link from earlier today where he talks about treating his vitilgo

[4Life]

It's gotten really quiet around here; where's the night crew?

moo

It gets quite around this time
Wait until later in the morning LOL
Good night
Thanks for the posts
See ya later on

[tinkerbell]

Dr Klein was talking about this on GMA and then later reports on the internet, iirc.
Here is a link where he states all of it in one paragraph.
ABC news.



http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/MichaelJackson/story?id=8030165&page=1

There's another link from earlier today where he talks about treating his vitilgo

Thanks for tracking down and posting the links you have located.

moo

[tinkerbell]

It gets quite around this time
Wait until later in the morning LOL
Good night
Thanks for the posts
See ya later on

Good night, 4Life...

[Unperson1984]

Dr Klein seems concerned that the Jackson family will exploit MJs children. He said he would hate to see them as the Jackson 3 in a few years.

Since it appears Joe is going to remain in the picture, Klein's fears aren't without foundation.

[*Serenity*]

Thanks for tracking down and posting the links you have located.

moo

Your welcome...:)

[Hanalei]

Family members are fighting about where he should be buried just like the James Brown Family members

http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/article/jackson-family-feuding-over-final-resting-place_1109078



I heard those reports as well.

I don't believe MJ's remains have been laid to rest anywhere yet.

Waiting for all of the remains, including the brain, before burial IDK. Trying to come to an agreement within the family, IDK. Did some family members submit a request to have Neverland approved as a cemetery? Seeking permission from Santa Barbara? IDK...

moo

[tinkerbell]

Dr Klein seems concerned that the Jackson family will exploit MJs children. He said he would hate to see them as the Jackson 3 in a few years.

Since it appears Joe is going to remain in the picture, Klein's fears aren't without foundation.

Klein appears to be "personally" involved; or have a personal interest in the well being of the children.

I wonder why Joe wasn't given his "walking papers" long ago? Especially given that (reportedly) he and his wife have been living separate and apart for years?

moo

[tinkerbell]

Lupus is an autoimmune disease, not deficiency. AIDS is acquired immune defeciency. Lupus is the opposite. With Lupus the autoimmune system runs full boar all the time with little to no shut off as it were. It works TOO MUCH. Opposite of AIDS where is doesn't work at all. With autoimmune diseases such as Lupus, the immune system sees the body's own tissue as a foreign invader and attacks itself. That's just me in lay terms. Here's some links. The two are mutually exclusive.

http://www.womenshealth.gov/faq/autoimmune-diseases.cfm#1

Autoimmune Diseases

http://www.springerlink.com/content/l3q0822814vj1085/

Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome (AIDS)

Thank you for posting the links.

What's your take on a dermotologist treating lupus and providing facial reconstructure?

moo

[CinderL.]

Lupus is an autoimmune disease, not deficiency. AIDS is acquired immune defeciency. Lupus is the opposite. With Lupus the autoimmune system runs full boar all the time with little to no shut off as it were. It works TOO MUCH. Opposite of AIDS where is doesn't work at all. With autoimmune diseases such as Lupus, the immune system sees the body's own tissue as a foreign invader and attacks itself. That's just me in lay terms. Here's some links. The two are mutually exclusive.

http://www.womenshealth.gov/faq/autoimmune-diseases.cfm#1

Autoimmune Diseases

http://www.springerlink.com/content/l3q0822814vj1085/



Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome (AIDS)

You are right. Wrong wording from "me". I do have a friend who has lupus that has skin problems. Not internal lupus. Her's only has to do with sun, and her skin. She sees an GP for her lupus, but I could see if you had the skin affected, you could see a dermatologist. My bad. :unsure:

[Hanalei]

I posted this on the other thread that there is a type of lupus that affects the skin

Cutaneous Lupus Erythematosus

Cutaneous refers to the skin, and this form of lupus is limited to the skin. Although there are many types of rashes and lesions (sores) caused by cutaneous lupus, the most common rash is raised, scaly and red, but not itchy. It is commonly known as a discoid rash, because the areas of rash are shaped like disks, or circles. Another common example of cutaneous lupus is a rash over the cheeks and across the bridge of the nose, known as the butterfly rash. Other rashes or sores may appear on the face, neck, or scalp (areas of the skin that are exposed to sunlight or fluorescent light), or in the mouth, nose, or vagina. Hair loss and changes in the pigment, or color, of the skin are also symptoms of cutaneous lupus.

Approximately 10 percent of people who have cutaneous lupus will develop systemic lupus. However, it is likely that these people already had systemic lupus, with the skin rash as their main symptom.

[Unperson1984]

I was surprised so many months after James Brown's funeral that they still haden't burried him. Never heard anymore about it. Didn't that have to do with the people he hired to be around him v. his wife when he died? How horrible in my opinion.

When MJ died I predicted he'd have a james brown type funeral. I didn't know he was a James Brown fan when I said it, though.

I think Neverland is out of Santa Barbara city limits so the county would have jurisdiction I think, if he could be burried there. I was surprised to hear Michael Jackson is said to own a part but not all of his former Neverland Ranch. It was indeed a beautiful place. I had never seen it before except this past week in part on tv.

I think the fact MJ didn't own Neverland outright is a problem in getting a permit to bury him there. Not that I see Santa Barbara County giving one under any circumstance.

[FallenAngel♥]

What is your take on MJ's burial, or lack thereof?


moo

yeah i just don't get it...........what are they waiting for. some are saying they are waiting on the brain.......i think they are waiting on the permit to bury him at Neverland.

[Unperson1984]

yeah i just don't get it...........what are they waiting for. some are saying they are waiting on the brain.......i think they are waiting on the permit to bury him at Neverland.

I don't see the purpose of burying him at Neverland.

[Hanalei]

I never believed he had vitiligo until today. I was so wrong! I will never understand all the surgeries on his face though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15TSEKXXIvI&feature=related



I didn't hear what he said. I only caught part of CNN news this afternoon and I didn't hear anything about Lupus.

I don't believe Lupus is what MJ had. It's always been my opinion he had no skin disorder at all even though he claimed to. I just didn't personally believe he had any skin disorder. I always believed he somehow changed his skin color by design based on nothing but my own opinion. I think he was dishonest in saying that he did have a skin disorder. It seems to me he didn't like the way he looked (ie; the looks he was born with).

I was shocked at what I saw by the latest way he looked. meaning after his Thriller video. On that he still looked like himself for the most part. To me. But later on it was shocking & I didn't think he looked good at all. He seemed to me to have that dysmorphic disorder. I saw a show about that. Perfectly nice looking people were convinced they looked like something to themselves other than what they were. A distorted notion of themselves when they looked in the mirror. Don't misunderstand. I mean no harm to Michael Jackson or anyone by this, and I didn't spend a lot of time contemplating it. It's just what I think and what I will always believe about what he had done to himself. He never seemed to stop having surgeries to make himself look more and more different. In the end he looked like a puppet and not real. My husband said he looked like the Asian cartoon figures to him. He didn't look like any other human being I've ever seen. He was very different than the average/majority person(s). This is just my opinion.

[tinkerbell]

MJ stated years ago that he would never again consider Neverland his home; only a house to visit.

I think Katherine Jackson knows and understands that; and she's "fighting" some family members about the final resting place for MJ.


moo

[FallenAngel♥]

I don't see the purpose of burying him at Neverland.

oh i'm sure Joe see's $$$'s and he wants another Graceland. but Neverland is just in the wrong place for that kind of set up IMO. I wonder if the Jacksons will buy a family plot some where. That would be nice.

[Hanalei]

There are black people that use lighting creams but not to turn themselves pure white.


Michael did have a skin disorder. Who would purposely want thier skin to be the color of his as a black man?

One of his relatives also had the same condition. I had a teacher in Jr. High whose skin was spotted and by the time I graduated she was almost totally white. It is a rapidly progressing disorder.
Michael was blessed and gifted musically, but in other ways he was not.

[trucrimegal]

I usually don't post much, but I was up late tonight and was hoping there would still be people here, Yay! :thumbup:

[FallenAngel♥]

I never believed he had vitiligo until today. I was so wrong! I will never understand all the surgeries on his face though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15TSEKXXIvI&feature=related

ohhhhh yes he had it ....( Rev Run )Russell Simmons son has it also :(

[tinkerbell]

Yes he did say that and yes the news is reporting his Mother doesn't want him burried there for that reason, but some of his siblings want him burried there. Too bad he didn't have that specified in his will. That would've solved the dispute.

I couldn't agree more; it should be a lesson to us ALL...

moo

[tinkerbell]

JMO.... MJ was not in that coffin at the Memorial. The Family did not respond at all to it.

In any closed casket viewings/funerals; who is to know???

moo

[trucrimegal]

JMO.... MJ was not in that coffin at the Memorial. The Family did not respond at all to it.

I wondered if he was too, but then I really don't know.

[Unperson1984]

I think Joe is weird the way he talked to reporters about a new album outside the gate the night his son died. It was creepy. My husband even remarked about it.

I think Neverland is in a good setting for a type of Graceland (not that I'm advocating it be that). Graceland is in Memphis, TN isn't it? Whereas that part of Sta Barbara County is a lot more open spaces.

As I listened to Jermaine interview with LKL I could read marketing all over his interview. I thought that's exactly what he seemed to have in mind.

Neverland is really too isolated to draw many tourists, not to mention the two-lane winding road.

There are no gas stations or places to eat for miles, which means no public bathrooms. A parking lot would be required, so the project would need an Environmental Impact Study to change the zoning. That's at least three years before it could open.

[MiamiNice1]

http://googlesightseeing.com/maps?p=22&c=&&ll=34.746430,-120.087111&sll=34.652771,-120.104432&spn=0.008014,0.011727&sspn=0.022797,0.043228&t=k&hl=en

View of Neverland Ranch
Wow, thanks for posting this - I had NO idea how isolated Neverland is! Unperson1984 is right - nothing around for miles and miles!

[tinkerbell]

My sentiments exactly. No one will ever know for certain at any closed-casket funeral. Or cremation funeral. How do you know it's really the person? shrug

There will be this mystique about MJ forever in my opinion. Same as Elvis.

A few years back in California there was this big news story about people's bodies that had been dumped in the mountains (which are extensive and remote). The families had thought they had burried their loved ones, but alas the mortuary had hauled the bodies many miles away and pitched them away over the cliffs in the Sierra Nevada Mountain Range.

So it's not just famous people who's to wonder about.

You're absolutely right, it's not just rich people. I remember a GA
(I think) mortuary as well...

moo

[LordMisRule]

Dr Klein seems concerned that the Jackson family will exploit MJs children. He said he would hate to see them as the Jackson 3 in a few years.

Since it appears Joe is going to remain in the picture, Klein's fears aren't without foundation.

I can see Joe trying to trot the children out to make a profit, especially on the heels of Michael's death. Hopefully, some of Michael's brothers and sisters (i.e. Janet) will have enough guts to prevent this.

[FallenAngel♥]

I think Joe is weird the way he talked to reporters about a new album outside the gate the night his son died. It was creepy. My husband even remarked about it.

I think Neverland is in a good setting for a type of Graceland (not that I'm advocating it be that). Graceland is in Memphis, TN isn't it? Whereas that part of Sta Barbara County is a lot more open spaces.

As I listened to Jermaine interview with LKL I could read marketing all over his interview. I thought that's exactly what he seemed to have in mind.

Yes Gracelands in Memphis and easy to get to. but Neverland's way out where it would take a good hour to travel to. But i think it's very pretty after watching LKL and i would love to see it one day......

I have to wonder though if MJ would want to be there after everything that happen.

[tinkerbell]

Do you know how many miles it is from the city of Santa Barbara?
You may be right. At one time just about everything was inaccessable in California. As far as it taking years or environmental studies, that's standard for the state. You'd be surprised what they nit-pick over. I've moved cites of existing business and the state checks, re-checks everything, haults everything. One guy says yes, 18 mos later another says no and around it goes. They continually monitor and inspect everything about every business. shrug

Did Michael Jackson still own all of Neverland Ranch, or only a part of it? do you know? I heard someone on the news saying he owns part but not all of it still. Which surprised me. I haden't known that.

I believe a LLC of some type purchased or saved the property from auction/foreclosure. It's my understanding that MJ had a stake in that LLC.

moo

[Unperson1984]

I've read that Janet keeps her distance from the rest of the family.

I thought Jermaine's singing of Smile was beautiful, I wonder why he doesn't pursue a solo career?

Good night all.

[tinkerbell]

Yes, my Grandmother talked about that back in the 1800's as well. I guess it's always gone on. Not long ago there was a scandal in CA where they were digging up long burried people, so they could re-sell the plots to others and make more money. People are really awful.

It's terrible...

moo

[Unperson1984]

Joe is old. He lives in Las Vegas. He and Katherine are separated.
HOW can you see him doing all this? As IF the family would allow it. They're not children anymore. No one is afraid of Joe.

I thought they just celebrated their Wedding Anniversary? And Katherine is old also, what will happen to the children if she passes away?

[tinkerbell]

Okay thanks. I think my husband said he heard he couldn't afford the upkeep, so he shut it down but still owned the property. It's a beautiful place. Beautiful hills.

It is gorgeous; I saw it for the first time when LK did his broadcast last week. It's too bad that MJ had such bad feelings about the ranch. It would make for a beautiful, peaceful resting place; IMHO...

[Unperson1984]

I believe a LLC of some type purchased or saved the property from auction/foreclosure. It's my understanding that MJ had a stake in that LLC.

moo

MJ held a 24% share of the LLC.

[tinkerbell]

I thought they just celebrated their Wedding Anniversary? And Katherine is old also, what will happen to the children if she passes away?

Just watching MJ's sisters with his children at the memorial, I wonder why he didn't designate any of them as guardian?

moo

[tinkerbell]

MJ held a 24% share of the LLC.

Thanks for the facts; I thought he held a share...

moo

[tinkerbell]

It really is. I think the one guy in CA they put him away for a long time and recovered what they could for the families. Nothing would undo the heartache.

It is difficult, if not impossible, to recover from such a heartbreak.

moo

[MiamiNice1]

Okay thanks. I think my husband said he heard he couldn't afford the upkeep, so he shut it down but still owned the property. It's a beautiful place. Beautiful hills.
Some history of Neverland:

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1615152/20090701/jackson_michael.jhtml

The upkeep was reported to be as high as $5 million per year.

[tinkerbell]

MJ absolutely adored his mother. Evidently he wanted his kids to know the same love he had expereinced from his mom.
She has a full staff and the house is always filled with her grandchildren.

Yes, but she is almost 80 years old. It seems sad to think of MJ's minor children to have to go through this again...

moo

[MiamiNice1]

While searching for Neverland article, I found this about MJ having an auction of all his personal stuff (called the "Yard sale of the century") before hitting the trail for his London shows...... but then it was cancelled.

http://www.walletpop.com/blog/2009/04/14/jackos-life-goes-on-sale/

[tinkerbell]

While searching for Neverland article, I found this about MJ having an auction of all his personal stuff (called the "Yard sale of the century") before hitting the trail for his London shows...... but then it was cancelled.

http://www.walletpop.com/blog/2009/04/14/jackos-life-goes-on-sale/

That article was dated last April; perhaps it was posted prior to the LLC's rescue?

moo

[tinkerbell]

Yes it would be awful and I was thinking the same thing. But it was his wishes and I think the deceased person's wishes should be carried out as closely as humanly possible. Also they were talking on Fox about the fact that they still have the same nanny and she's always been their nanny and they would continue to be their nanny. The children seem close with his sisters. Why couldn't the siblings care for them with their nanny should anything happen to Michael's Mother. I pray she lives a very long life so they can grow up with her. It could happen.

I couldn't agree more...


moo

[MiamiNice1]

That article was dated last April; perhaps it was posted prior to the LLC's rescue?

moo
Yes, the article was April 2009. Good question, Wonder what date the financial rescue of Neverland was?

[tinkerbell]

Yes, the article was April 2009. Good question, Wonder what date the financial rescue of Neverland was?

I found this; but it's from 2008...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/13/colony-capital-buys-micha_n_101505.html

[aproudmom]

Just wanted to check in have not been on since the day of the memorial and have not even tuned into any of the neg stuff but I did find this and I just love Liz she has lost a true friend..she has got to be broken right now...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a25vyWAuZWE&feature=related
Michael Jackson RARE performance of ELIZABETH I LOVE YOU live

[MiamiNice1]

Yes it would be awful and I was thinking the same thing. But it was his wishes and I think the deceased person's wishes should be carried out as closely as humanly possible. Also they were talking on Fox about the fact that they still have the same nanny and she's always been their nanny and they would continue to be their nanny. The children seem close with his sisters. Why couldn't the siblings care for them with their nanny should anything happen to Michael's Mother. I pray she lives a very long life so they can grow up with her. It could happen.

While Janet and Michael were close, and Janet appears to be the most logical choice.....I'm sure he knew his sister leads a very busy life. Perhaps he didn't want to burden her, knowing his mother was available.

I don't know enough about Rebbie to comment, but I do remember she's had a troubled life. As for LaToya, imo, she is simply, completely out of the question!

imo

[MiamiNice1]

I found this; but it's from 2008...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/13/colony-capital-buys-micha_n_101505.html

Good work finding this, tink! Unreal, another date discrepancy. It says the buy out was May 2008 and that they cancelled an auction.

Yet the auction story is April 2009, saying it was to happen before his London shows.....maybe he decided to hold it again before London? Strange that this would be the second time he cancelled - or maybe not so strange that Michael would cancel twice? :shrug:

[tinkerbell]

She's in seemingly good health at almost 80. Every reason to believe she could live into her 90's giving the children time to mature and have children of their own. Some people do stay viable beyond 90. Catherine Jackson looks to be in good health to me. I feel very sorry she lost her son.

I feel very sorry for the Jackson children; they have truly lost "both" parents as a result of MJ's death.

It is clear to me that MJ's children loved him dearly; I hope and trust that the family and court system will come to a conclusion that is in the very best interests of the minor children.

moo

[tinkerbell]

Good work finding this, tink! Unreal, another date discrepancy. It says the buy out was May 2008 and that they cancelled an auction.

Yet the auction story is April 2009, saying it was to happen before his London shows.....maybe he decided to hold it again before London? Strange that this would be the second time he cancelled - or maybe not so strange that Michael would cancel twice? :shrug:

This may very well be an example of why MJ's estate needed a judgement so quickly; regarding the administrator of the estate.

Administrator isn't the right word, I'm tired!

[tinkerbell]

I agree. But the best interest is not Debbie Rowe.

Debbie Rowe is/was nothing more/less than an egg donor/incubator, IMHO.

[tinkerbell]

It looks like I'm the only one signed in...

Perhaps, good night, is in order...

[aproudmom]

Yes it would be awful and I was thinking the same thing. But it was his wishes and I think the deceased person's wishes should be carried out as closely as humanly possible. Also they were talking on Fox about the fact that they still have the same nanny and she's always been their nanny and they would continue to be their nanny. The children seem close with his sisters. Why couldn't the siblings care for them with their nanny should anything happen to Michael's Mother. I pray she lives a very long life so they can grow up with her. It could happen.

12 11 and 7 are the ages of the kids the only 2 that are even a issue are the older ones whom will be 18 before we know it I think the mother and Nanny and aunts and cousins are very capable of keeping them kids together I think so many are thinking Joe is in the pic he will be gone back to Vegas before we know it..I agree MJ wishes should be carried out if possible..and some need to stop reading into the media lies and tabloids KJ will care for those kids I have no doubt..and I am sure they will not be the next Jackson 3 as the doctor said tonight on LKL I am not sure about him but he did clear up alot and was glad to hear him talk..JMO

[tinkerbell]

I haven't followed any of their lives at all. I have no idea what their relationships with one another was. I don't know who Remmie is. I've never been a celebrity watcher. I know of them when they were on tv if I happened to turn across a channel any of them were on. Even then I wasn't particularly interested. I was just commenting on the news clips (today) of the funeral service and my take on it for what it's worth. I was gone yesterday.

Couldn't miss knowing who Michael Jackson was. I liked Jermaine's voice the best from some of his songs on the car radio. I almost never listen to music except when I'm driving. It seemed odd to me the way the rest of the Jackson Five more or less dropped off the radar and Michael was the only one in the spotlight (my take. meaning that's how it seemed to me).

I wish I was a celebrity person. People seem to enjoy that so much.

It seems to me that too many celebrities end up either misunderstood, broke, alone, jailed, or dead...

Celebrity doesn't seem to be anything to aspire to, IMHO...

moo

[MiamiNice1]

This may very well be an example of why MJ's estate needed a judgement so quickly; regarding the administrator of the estate.

Administrator isn't the right word, I'm tired!
Good point about the possible rush for the executor (is that the word we're looking for? lol!). The article described tons of items (can you even imagine paying $10,000 for one of his gloves? :w00t:) worth a lot of money to the estate.

http://www.walletpop.com/blog/2009/04/14/jackos-life-goes-on-sale/

[tinkerbell]

Good point about the possible rush for the executor (is that the word we're looking for? lol!). The article described tons of items (can you even imagine paying $10,000 for one of his gloves? :w00t:) worth a lot of money to the estate.

http://www.walletpop.com/blog/2009/04/14/jackos-life-goes-on-sale/

LOL, thank you! Yes, executor was the word I couldn't find in my small brain!

And no, I can not imagine paying $10k for a glove or even pair of gloves!

moo

[VC2]

While Janet and Michael were close, and Janet appears to be the most logical choice.....I'm sure he knew his sister leads a very busy life. Perhaps he didn't want to burden her, knowing his mother was available.

I don't know enough about Rebbie to comment, but I do remember she's had a troubled life. As for LaToya, imo, she is simply, completely out of the question!

imo

Janet has said publicly before she never wanted children
IMO

[VC2]

Good work finding this, tink! Unreal, another date discrepancy. It says the buy out was May 2008 and that they cancelled an auction.

Yet the auction story is April 2009, saying it was to happen before his London shows.....maybe he decided to hold it again before London? Strange that this would be the second time he cancelled - or maybe not so strange that Michael would cancel twice? :shrug:

there were 2 auctions, both cancelled bc of an agreement bw MJ and the creditors

MJ has fought to keep neverland, in fact the deal with the 24% was done precisely so he could and they planned to restore it to its former beauty (and are in the process of doing so) They means MJ and Barrack who is the head of the other part of the LLC

i think his feelings about neverland returned once time passed

[tinkerbell]

I saw a news clip of that Debbie Rowe on tv this morning. Oh my I think she's a horrible person. I can see why Michael Jackson had her legally put out of the children's lives. I bet she's not even their bio-mother. I heard Megyn Kelly this a.m. (fox) saying MJ used 1 egg + 1 sperm and she was the serrogate to carry the children. I don't care for her. If she has horses I feel sorry for the horses. She has a vulgar mouth. I think she went out in public on purpose because she knew reporters would be attrracted to her. I think it's exactly what she wanted to draw attn to herself. Starting out with 10 pts, she's minus zero in my opinion.

I'm not joking about the horses. News said she has a horse ranch. If she's vulgar, she's vulgar all the time and loses her temper with the poor animals.

DR is a piece of work. Looking back, watching, reading her interviews when she speaks about her children. There's no taking those statements recorded on film.

Her recent trip to a Chinese restaurant; subsequent rant including the f bomb at paps is also on tape for everyone to see and hear. And she was taped watching MJ's memorial on TV, OUTSIDE, of her home/horse ranch.

If she was so concerned about the paps; why oh why would she be watching the memorial OUTSIDE where her picture could be easily taken?

moo

[MiamiNice1]

Janet has said publicly before she never wanted children
IMO
That is true, but somehow it is different when it comes to this type of circumstance. They wouldn't be her children. It is different when you are suddenly responsible for someone else's kids. Janet is young, still managing a career and she must be so busy all the time (she was on a movie set when the news about Michael broke, right?). So she would either have to sacrifice her career for MJ's kids or not be available for them if they were to be in her custody.

I still think Katherine's availability was the most logical choice for MJ's children.

[MiamiNice1]

there were 2 auctions, both cancelled bc of an agreement bw MJ and the creditors

MJ has fought to keep neverland, in fact the deal with the 24% was done precisely so he could and they planned to restore it to its former beauty (and are in the process of doing so) They means MJ and Barrack who is the head of the other part of the LLC

i think his feelings about neverland returned once time passed
I'm curious, why would the second auction (slated for this past April 2009) be cancelled due to an agreement with creditors? It would have brought in a lot of money.

[aproudmom]

Just wanted to let you know you have been missed. :wub:

ETA: Never heard this one before. Thank you.

Hi sweets :wub:I have missed a few of you also I just needed to get away from the negative for awhile..I have not even tuned into JVM or NG and I never miss NG...lol..the memorial was wonderful wasn't it..and little Paris omg she broke my heart..I also saw almost 18,000 has been raised and donated back to LA I tried to get on it my mom wanted to send some money but it was down they said on some show it had crash or something...just kinda got sick of hearing how much it cost so figured every little bit will help..Thanks for saying I had been missed sure that is not by everyone....lol.

[MiamiNice1]

I'd have to disagree with that. I think people say they don't want children because they mean it. I think if they don't want their own, they want to raise other people's even less. Even sibling's children.

I think raising other people's children would carry a heavier responsibility than raising my own. For so many reasons. It's late. I'm off to sleep.

ITA on the part of going to sleep! lol! Good night Adalena and everyone!

[tinkerbell]

Nite all, sleep fast...

[VC2]

NO one gathered around the coffin. The Family totally excluded it. If MJ had been in that coffin, there would have beena totally different response, IMO.

one of the brothers bent down and kissed the coffin as it would laid in place

[*Serenity*]

Hi sweets :wub:I have missed a few of you also I just needed to get away from the negative for awhile..I have not even tuned into JVM or NG and I never miss NG...lol..the memorial was wonderful wasn't it..and little Paris omg she broke my heart..I also saw almost 18,000 has been raised and donated back to LA I tried to get on it my mom wanted to send some money but it was down they said on some show it had crash or something...just kinda got sick of hearing how much it cost so figured every little bit will help..Thanks for saying I had been missed sure that is not by everyone....lol.

I have also missed you and glad you took the time you needed.

The website to donate was down for over 12+ hours, so you must have got caught in the traffic. Lots of controversy still going on about the cost's. Hopefully, they will continue to get donations since they made the statement about the site, and ask for those who tried to contribute to come back, only not all at once.


:)

[VC2]

I'm curious, why would the second auction (slated for this past April 2009) be cancelled due to an agreement with creditors? It would have brought in a lot of money.

because he didn't want to get rid of many of his items, especially if as seems to have been the case they are restoring neverland.

IMO

[aproudmom]

the boy that sung a song he was amazing I was shocked when I saw his video on UK has talent and he had played the young MJ on Jackson 5 in the live tour after that show when they went on some sort of tour..and was to sing with MJ in the upcoming tour..he was good 12 years old blew my mind away when he started singing I had to search for his videos...I see him getting signed on by someone soon..

[*Serenity*]

the boy that sung a song he was amazing I was shocked when I saw his video on UK has talent and he had played the young MJ on Jackson 5 in the live tour after that show when they went on some sort of tour..and was to sing with MJ in the upcoming tour..he was good 12 years old blew my mind away when he started singing I had to search for his videos...I see him getting signed on by someone soon..

When he went on Britian's got talent Simon stopped him on his first song, and wanted to know what else he sang... that's when he piped out Michael Jackson's song and blew all of them away. Cute isn't he?

[aproudmom]

because he didn't want to get rid of many of his items, especially if as seems to have been the case they are restoring neverland.

IMO

isn't that why they did hold off or am I just thinking of the stuff to be sold of his I thought it was after he announced his tour they cancelled it since he would be bringing in money..then after his death did they not auction some off or was going to..??

[*Serenity*]

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-ct-jackson9-2009jul09,1,6918129.story

[*Serenity*]

the boy that sung a song he was amazing I was shocked when I saw his video on UK has talent and he had played the young MJ on Jackson 5 in the live tour after that show when they went on some sort of tour..and was to sing with MJ in the upcoming tour..he was good 12 years old blew my mind away when he started singing I had to search for his videos...I see him getting signed on by someone soon..


I just found this link and thought about you.

Shaheen Jafargholi: 'It was as though I was singing for Michael'


http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/news/2009/07/09/shaheen-jafargholi-it-was-as-though-i-was-singing-for-michael-115875-21505042/

[aproudmom]

Like the song more each time I seen it and now read the lyrics sad but pretty much true other than something did kill him several years ago and it was not just prescription meds... IMO


Here it is live with pretty much the same dance he did the night before he passed away but it was about 10 years ago..the other one has the lyrics I got to go get this song I kinda like it ...even though I never knew it was a old song of his..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MM8dwh_Kde4&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPFFDSChedY
Michael Jackson - They Don't Care About Us (With Lyrics)

[Scampi]

Good morning everyone. Last night Larry King had Dr. Arnold Klein, MJ's dermatologist on and I must say after listening to the doctor I really changed my original opinion of him. He is a very kind and talented man.

He spoke very honestly about Michael and explained things that I have always wondered about, including the vitaligo, the extent of the burns from the Pepsi commercial fire and Lupus.

Here is the transcript, it's a very interesting read.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0907/08/lkl.01.html

[incidentally]

Yes, my Grandmother talked about that back in the 1800's as well. I guess it's always gone on. Not long ago there was a scandal in CA where they were digging up long burried people, so they could re-sell the plots to others and make more money. People are really awful. If I goto a funeral I just assume the person's remains are where they're supposed to be. What else can we do. I'd soon go bonkers otherwise thinking it to death. no pun

bold mine

And recently is Illinois

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ic8JGTGKmRsXEeg1vw4kR9hCrcugD99ANFRO0

[aproudmom]

I just found this link and thought about you.




http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/news/2009/07/09/shaheen-jafargholi-it-was-as-though-i-was-singing-for-michael-115875-21505042/

AW THANKS Serenity he was on LKL last night..After I saw him at the memorial I went to leave a comment on a blog and hated to see some things that is why I have just been tuning out..someone said why was a12 year old singing at MJ memorial..:thumbdown: then I read on down and hate to say thing but someone was referring to Magic J and his statement about the KFC and said why did it cure your HIV:thumbdown: so I just stayed clear yesterday and all day today I found those things way beyond cruel..anyway this kid I saw him in the live tour if you have not seen it well he is the young MJ and that is what MJ told them he was amazed by his voice...he almost got kicked off when auditioning the first time when he started singing a Amy winehouse song so Simon C stopped him sad you got anything else and it was the MJ song

this one is not the one I saw of him but he is a good little singer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iVWpMD-tIc&feature=related

[aproudmom]

sorry I know this is not about the memorial but I was so happy to see all the dancers and back up singers in the memorial..everyone kept twittering asking who they were and I have felt so bad for them they had a once in a lifetime chance to dance for MJ on tour...and now it will never happen:sad: Singer Jennifer Hudson omg I am so happy for her she has had such tragedy and to see her getting ready to have a baby I was happy for her..

[PBJMOM4]

Not sure this has been posted or not, but great to see just the same.
Tribute to Michael Jackson in Stockholm.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=je1KOcBYGjM

[flipflop]

Not sure this has been posted or not, but great to see just the same.
Tribute to Michael Jackson in Stockholm.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=je1KOcBYGjM

Wow. That was pretty neat. Thank you. I had not seen that before.

[GentleBreeze]

Not sure this has been posted or not, but great to see just the same.
Tribute to Michael Jackson in Stockholm.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=je1KOcBYGjM

WOW! Thanks.

Now you could tell they had done that dance a thousand times before!:smile:

[GentleBreeze]

Here is the clip where MJ is talking with his children, Prince and Paris.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvcGFiqxnOY&feature=popular

[Pretty Leaf]

Does anyone else agree that Blanket looks alot like Michael? It's the eye's more than anything, hair can be styled ect but the eyes are so much like his. I see it as well in Paris a little but to me it's there. Prince Michael looks like DR IMO.

[GentleBreeze]

Does anyone else agree that Blanket looks alot like Michael? It's the eye's more than anything, hair can be styled ect but the eyes are so much like his. I see it as well in Paris a little but to me it's there. Prince Michael looks like DR IMO.

Yes, I agree about PMII but I see no resemblance in the children and DR though.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

I have been watching a lot of videos where MJ is talking in them and they really are sad in a way.

The Jehovah Witnesses do not celebrate Christmas so Michael had never had a Christmas until Elizabeth Taylor came to Neverland in 1993, I think and decorated it. MJ said he felt he was doing something wrong that day because of the way he had been taught all of his life to believe. He also said they didn't celebrate birthdays either.

Sort of sad.

Liz told him Christmas was a day to celebrate love and he became more comfortable doing it.

imo

[*Serenity*]

I have been watching a lot of videos where MJ is talking in them and they really are sad in a way.

The Jehovah Witnesses do not celebrate Christmas so Michael had never had a Christmas until Elizabeth Taylor came to Neverland in 1993, I think and decorated it. MJ said he felt he was doing something wrong that day because of the way he had been taught all of his life to believe. He also said they didn't celebrate birthdays either.

Sort of sad.

Liz told him Christmas was a day to celebrate love and he became more comfortable doing it.

imo

Hi GB

The video clip of Liz decorating his house was awesome. That is the clip where she goes to his bedroom door, and when he comes out he tells about Liz knowing he doesn't like the dog... lol..... he is afraid of dogs because even little, they bite. I found humor in the way he was telling that.

Liz did a fantastic job decorating and the clip didn't even show the whole house.

[Firehead11]

I have been watching a lot of videos where MJ is talking in them and they really are sad in a way.

The Jehovah Witnesses do not celebrate Christmas so Michael had never had a Christmas until Elizabeth Taylor came to Neverland in 1993, I think and decorated it. MJ said he felt he was doing something wrong that day because of the way he had been taught all of his life to believe. He also said they didn't celebrate birthdays either.

Sort of sad.

Liz told him Christmas was a day to celebrate love and he became more comfortable doing it.

imo

That would explain why his family was not in the videos during Christmas.

Thanks !

[GentleBreeze]

Hi GB

The video clip of Liz decorating his house was awesome. That is the clip where she goes to his bedroom door, and when he comes out he tells about Liz knowing he doesn't like the dog... lol..... he is afraid of dogs because even little, they bite. I found humor in the way he was telling that.

Liz did a fantastic job decorating and the clip didn't even show the whole house.

Did you see where he is at Neverland and they are having a water balloon fight? Oh that was hilarious. He said that Michael Jordon is the champ on the basketball court but he is the champ water balloon fighter. lol And he was darn good. But he is so fast and agile he is hard to hit. But M Culkin talked MJ into going up on the diving board and then while MJ was dancing Culkin pushed him in and he was all decked out in his black hat,black pants and red shirt!:tongueside:

Janet likes the big water gun fights as much as MJ. lol

imo

[*Serenity*]

Did you see where he is at Neverland and they are having a water balloon fight? Oh that was hilarious. He said that Michael Jordon is the champ on the basketball court but he is the champ water balloon fighter. lol And he was darn good. But he is so fast and agile he is hard to hit. But M Culkin talked MJ into going up on the diving board and then while MJ was dancing Culkin pushed him in and he was all decked out in his black hat,black pants and red shirt!:tongueside:

Janet likes the big water gun fights as much as MJ. lol

imo

LOL
I think there is another Christmas clip where everyone got him the same gift: water guns... :)

For some reason I haven't read or heard anything about the Jackson children interacting with Grandparents, Aunts, Uncles, or Cousins while growing up, or adult lives. Have you?

[flipflop]

Good morning all :)

If anyone is interested the complete memorial program can be downloaded.

I downloaded the complete booklet in high-res. It downloads in a pdf file but looks absolutely beautiful. When you click download unfortunately it takes you to a survey - but just hit your backspace. It takes a few minutes but is well worth it (and I ran an anti-virus scan):

http://www.examiner.com/x-4839-Philadelphia-HipHop-Music-Examiner~y2009m7d8-Michael-Jackson-Memorial-Program-Booklet


Thanks! There are pictures in there I have never seen. LaToya's words made me cry all over again.

ETA... I spoke too soon. Everyone's words are bringing on the tears. I need a tissue

[VC2]

Good morning everyone. Last night Larry King had Dr. Arnold Klein, MJ's dermatologist on and I must say after listening to the doctor I really changed my original opinion of him. He is a very kind and talented man.

He spoke very honestly about Michael and explained things that I have always wondered about, including the vitaligo, the extent of the burns from the Pepsi commercial fire and Lupus.

Here is the transcript, it's a very interesting read.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0907/08/lkl.01.html

Morning scamp!

thanks for the transcript, i missed it last night. Really rather sad to me how he really was ill, neither disease is fun to live with, and yet so many believed he was perfectly healthy and just liked to use drugs a la keith richards.

I know he had prescription drug abuse problems, but i still say he was in a gray area and its one reason he never confronted it properly (he may have towards the end of his life though, seemed much healthier overall).

Sounds like both his vitiligo and his lupus were severe, the lupus even interfering with the treatment for his burns :(

god....for someone with self image problems to start with fate really went after him.

IMO

[frances1]

I hope someone can help me here. I'm trying to find a clip on youtube or anywhere of Andrae Crouch and his choir singing "Soon and Very Soon" at the memorial. I think it may have been when they were bringing in the casket, but not sure. I had this song done at my husband's funeral, and would love to see it, but have searched and searched and not been able to find it. TIA.

[PBJMOM4]

I hope someone can help me here. I'm trying to find a clip on youtube or anywhere of Andrae Crouch and his choir singing "Soon and Very Soon" at the memorial. I think it may have been when they were bringing in the casket, but not sure. I had this song done at my husband's funeral, and would love to see it, but have searched and searched and not been able to find it. TIA.

Going to see the King, I believe is the song.
Try this one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZRlGGc69TU

[frances1]

Going to see the King, I believe is the song.
Try this one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZRlGGc69TU

Thank you, thank you, thank you pbjmom4. It is almost too hard to watch and listen to, but I had to. In our Catholic hymnal, it is titled "Soon and Very Soon".

[Tokyo Rose]

This thread is to discuss MJ death and current news about it

Does this mean no discussion about the elephant in the room? Is it still open season on DR current and past?

[CANDYKISSES]

Morning scamp!

thanks for the transcript, i missed it last night. Really rather sad to me how he really was ill, neither disease is fun to live with, and yet so many believed he was perfectly healthy and just liked to use drugs a la keith richards.

I know he had prescription drug abuse problems, but i still say he was in a gray area and its one reason he never confronted it properly (he may have towards the end of his life though, seemed much healthier overall).

Sounds like both his vitiligo and his lupus were severe, the lupus even interfering with the treatment for his burns :(

god....for someone with self image problems to start with fate really went after him.

IMO

BBM

Indeed it did VC. :sad: He never stood a chance coming back at coming back and performing under such duress IMOO. He was such a perfectionist and that alone would have added to his issues in a big way.

[KatieLady]

Does this mean no discussion about the elephant in the room? Is it still open season on DR current and past?

IMO this is not a memorial thread so you should be able to post your opinion about anything here. I have a feeling that some people don't see it that way however.

[mrsmcgoo]

I heard this was coming up on CNN this morning, but missed it.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/07/09/jackson.wrap/index.html

"Family reportedly tried to stage intervention for Michael Jackson in 2007"

I had the feeling ever since the memorial that MJ's family wouldn't have just ignored the signs that MJ needed help. They seem very close and caring of one another and I'm happy we all got to see that.

JMO

[MoonHarvest]

I certainly agree with you about Dr. Klein. The LKL interview showed him to be affable, sincere, kind and legitimate. The press (Nancy Grace) had painted a much different picture of him.

Hello,isn't it horrible how the press misrepresents people? Don't they ever stop to think in the late hours of the night, how these are real people with real feelings? Words hurt, especially erroneous negative ones.

[FallenAngel♥]

When i went for my walk this morning i was listening to my music and watching the squirrels and then i started thinking about Brooke Shields and MJ.............

(( i'm about to rant ))

Ok so let me get this straight.........she loves MJ and they were dear friends Right?? and then she tells the press she hadn't seen MJ in 18 yrs. I'm sorry but if Brooke was such a dear friend wouldn't she have at least went to see MJ ONCE while he was going through all his trials and tribulations??

[GentleBreeze]

I heard this was coming up on CNN this morning, but missed it.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/07/09/jackson.wrap/index.html

"Family reportedly tried to stage intervention for Michael Jackson in 2007"

I had the feeling ever since the memorial that MJ's family wouldn't have just ignored the signs that MJ needed help. They seem very close and caring of one another and I'm happy we all got to see that.

JMO

I just dont know what to believe especially when all of this is coming from the media which I have absolutely no respect for........

People magazine says 2006.
CNN says 2007
Jackson family releases a statement today and said it isn't true.:shrug:

imo

[ish]

I can see Joe trying to trot the children out to make a profit, especially on the heels of Michael's death. Hopefully, some of Michael's brothers and sisters (i.e. Janet) will have enough guts to prevent this.

Outside of Janet, I think most of the Jacksons and their individual families depended on Michael to support them. They need to have a substantial income to his estate in the future to maintain their lifestyle. That I believe, is why Jermaine and the father are so anxious to create a Graceland @ Neverland, whether that is what Michael wanted or not.

Joe will work behind the scenes with those of his kids that he still gets along with, in order to gain some control over the money. I would be concerned for those 3 kids, I can see them being pimped out, either alone or with some of the other grandchildren to try and make $$$$.

This is going to be an ongoing mess for years to come.

[GentleBreeze]

Hello,isn't it horrible how the press misrepresents people? Don't they ever stop to think in the late hours of the night, how these are real people with real feelings? Words hurt, especially erroneous negative ones.

He told them truth......over and over and over.

They did not believe the truth so they made their own faux truth because it made all of them billions for decades.:sad:

imo

[KatieLady]

When i went for my walk this morning i was listening to my music and watching the squirrels and then i started thinking about Brooke Shields and MJ.............

(( i'm about to rant ))

Ok so let me get this straight.........she loves MJ and they were dear friends Right?? and then she tells the press she hadn't seen MJ in 18 yrs. I'm sorry but if Brooke was such a dear friend wouldn't she have at least went to see MJ ONCE while he was going through all his trials and tribulations??

Maybe he didn't want to see her?

[frances1]

When i went for my walk this morning i was listening to my music and watching the squirrels and then i started thinking about Brooke Shields and MJ.............

(( i'm about to rant ))

Ok so let me get this straight.........she loves MJ and they were dear friends Right?? and then she tells the press she hadn't seen MJ in 18 yrs. I'm sorry but if Brooke was such a dear friend wouldn't she have at least went to see MJ ONCE while he was going through all his trials and tribulations??

Maybe, but I have dear friends that I haven't seen in a long time. We shared times of our lives, though, that made us close, and we can have phone conversations that can take up right where we left off. I would hope that some of those people would be at my wake/funeral and speak of those times.

[mrsmcgoo]

I just dont know what to believe especially when all of this is coming from the media which I have absolutely no respect for........

People magazine says 2006.
CNN says 2007
Jackson family releases a statement today and said it isn't true.:shrug:

imo

Well I sure have to agree with you there. I guess I am hoping it is true. I hate to think anyone that has a drug issue has no one around to help them, or at least try. Especially with the beautiful children around. They did say that Janet's signature was missing from the Jackson family release stating the intervention story was not correct. That of course could mean it is true and she didn't sign because of that, or that the media picked up on the fact she didn't sign and decided to create the story that she did go. :wink:


JMO

[FallenAngel♥]

Maybe he didn't want to see her?

that might be true....if that's the case i hope she says he pushed her away. but i really doubt that's the case.

[FallenAngel♥]

Maybe, but I have dear friends that I haven't seen in a long time. We shared times of our lives, though, that made us close, and we can have phone conversations that can take up right where we left off. I would hope that some of those people would be at my wake/funeral and speak of those times.

Ohhh i have friends like that myself...I hope down the road BS will clarify to her statement to say they spoke by the phone and all that.

[Tokyo Rose]

I heard this was coming up on CNN this morning, but missed it.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/07/09/jackson.wrap/index.html

"Family reportedly tried to stage intervention for Michael Jackson in 2007"

I had the feeling ever since the memorial that MJ's family wouldn't have just ignored the signs that MJ needed help. They seem very close and caring of one another and I'm happy we all got to see that.

JMO

I have feeling this just isn't true. MJ broke from his family when he left the Jackson 5. He wanted away from his abusive father and also the siblings who stayed loyal to the abusive father and claiming there was never any abuse.

His family was not even welcome at Neverland.

After the trial, he stayed away from them and his children were not around them either.

They would not have known what condition he was in from personal knowledge. The family lies so much it's hard to tell what's true.

The Encino residence was bought for his mother by MJ years ago. Most of the family still lives there and he ended up supporting them all when he was trying to support his mother. He still owned the residence when he died and it didn't fall into the bankruptcy because of that.

He did help his brothers out by doing a tour they wanted to do. They would have made no money without MJ.

The family is dysfuctional. They can't even make up their minds where to bury him.

It is a good thing MJ's will tied his estate up and the executors are in charge.

[ish]

Maybe he didn't want to see her?

Agreed and it's also possible she grew up and went in a different direction than he did. Doesn't mean she no longer cared and isn't sad that he is gone, only that the things that brought them together as friends were not enough to maintain that relationship. I think he was "stuck" at a certain maturity level in his development. Neverland was a place for people to visit and enjoy but they would never think of living in that environment, riding trains, seeing zoo animals, going on amusement park type rides, watching movies and stuffing yourself with candy, it sounds like heaven but for the majority of adults, after a few days, perhaps a month it would be time to get on with your real life.

[Tokyo Rose]

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And yet there r so many people on this message board who say the 3 children should stay with the jackson family. I hope Debbie Rowe gets custody. jmo[/QUOTEl

I hope so too. She is their biological mother and the judge will be looking into that dysfunctional family just like he will be looking at DR.

In comparison, DR seems much more normal. jmo

I think he will also look at how many people are living at the Encino house and how they are being supported. jmo

[Tokyo Rose]

Agreed and it's also possible she grew up and went in a different direction than he did. Doesn't mean she no longer cared and isn't sad that he is gone, only that the things that brought them together as friends were not enough to maintain that relationship. I think he was "stuck" at a certain maturity level in his development. Neverland was a place for people to visit and enjoy but they would never think of living in that environment, riding trains, seeing zoo animals, going on amusement park type rides, watching movies and stuffing yourself with candy, it sounds like heaven but for the majority of adults, after a few days, perhaps a month it would be time to get on with your real life.

I heard they had had a falling out, but I don't remember why. jmo

I asked my son about that, but he doesn't remember why either. It may have had to do with the Emanual incident and her being called a beard for MJ. She received some very bad publicity from that incident. jmo

[CinderL.]

A MJ home movie. Shown on Fox.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tiza3s_UCn4&feature=PlayList&p=261B8599DA2DAD15&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=6

[GentleBreeze]

Good morning everyone. Last night Larry King had Dr. Arnold Klein, MJ's dermatologist on and I must say after listening to the doctor I really changed my original opinion of him. He is a very kind and talented man.

He spoke very honestly about Michael and explained things that I have always wondered about, including the vitaligo, the extent of the burns from the Pepsi commercial fire and Lupus.

Here is the transcript, it's a very interesting read.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0907/08/lkl.01.html

Thank you Scampi.

I just read the transcripts and Klein seems like such a nice caring man.

I thought this part was interesting.

"KLEIN: We were in Hawaii. He couldn't get to sleep. So the whole -- me and my whole office went to sleep in the room with him."

It makes me wonder if MJ couldn't go to sleep if he was alone in a room. He grew up with all of his brothers sleeping in the bedroom with him. Was MJ scared to sleep by himself, I wonder.

imo

[MoonHarvest]

Good morning everyone. Last night Larry King had Dr. Arnold Klein, MJ's dermatologist on and I must say after listening to the doctor I really changed my original opinion of him. He is a very kind and talented man.

He spoke very honestly about Michael and explained things that I have always wondered about, including the vitaligo, the extent of the burns from the Pepsi commercial fire and Lupus.

Here is the transcript, it's a very interesting read.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0907/08/lkl.01.html

Thanks Scampi, so glad I read that transcript.

These things in particular stand out to me:



"But now everybody wants all the gossip. The real gossip is, we've lost a greater entertainer of our life. We lost one of the greatest people, who was more generous of himself and of his heart than anybody I've ever known. And he's produced three incredible children and this is the thing."

"Absolutely because I phoned her as soon as Michael passed away. My greatest concern was what was going to happen to the children. I told her that I didn't want to see in three years, the children doing the next version of the Jackson 3, their intelligence dancing away because these children are bright. They've gone to film school."

"KING: Do you think she said something about it?

KLEIN: I don't know that, but all I told her was this. I want you to get active and be the mother, if she is the mother, of these children.

KING: Do you think she should get custody?

KLEIN: I don't know if she should get custody. I'm very worried that the custody may go into a situation that is incorrect. I think the most important thing is there's this woman Grace who was their nanny, who is incredible. She should remain their nanny and help raise the children. I worry about the Jackson family only because I worry slightly about the father from what Michael told me about that father.

KING: In what way?

KLEIN: That he was very difficult to deal with Michael. They announced his new record label at the memorial. And he seems more and more interested in making money than dealing with the --

KING: What do you think of the rest of the family?

KLEIN: I think Janet is wonderful who I happen to know. I know Randy. He seems nice to me. But I think they're going to go on and put a performance on again because they want to do is they want to perform. KING: They're performers.

KLEIN: Yeah, they're performers. But you heard some speeches yesterday from very controversial speakers. I think the most wonderful speech was the person I thought would be the least was Al Sharpton when he talked about Michael at his studio. Because Michael was having fights with Tommy Mottola, it's not how he spoke, but he spoke really eloquently yesterday. So I just want to assure that Debbie Rowe or someone take good care of these kids."

And this eye opener in regards to Debbie Rowe:


"KLEIN: Do you think it's difficult for a 79-year-old to raise adolescent children? That would be my question. Also, Debbie Rowe has gained her rights back to the children. Now, you may not think she's the best person in the world, but having worked with her for 25 years as a nurse, she can be a very loving person. So if she's combined with Grace, it could be a wonderful combination. But you know what, I can't make these decisions nor do I want to."



"KLEIN: I know, so I believe he should have been buried already. But I think that they want to keep it stored in Neverland until they bury it. I think you have to stop, put an end to this carnival atmosphere.

I think it's time to put the body in the ground and you know, and get on with the rest of the world and get on with the great things that he's done and remember how he changed the world in such a positive manner."


Sounds like a decent man. imo. Thanks again Scampi.:thumbup:

[Poochie Pie]

It is my understanding that MJ agreed to pay her over 8 million for sole custody of the children they both decided she would carry for Michael, when she could not longer carry more, he dumped her. I heard on the news she was never paid the full amount, less than 2 million thus far. Now how does she get the rest of what is owed to her if this story is true?

Odd she showed up outside the memorial when she was invited to be in? Didn't she turn that invite down? Hi Music Fan... I don't believe that Debbie Rowe was outside the memorial... I believe she was watching it outside her ranch when that photo was shot of her breaking down after Paris speech... She was going to go, but the media was too much for her so she decided not to, according to a statement released by her Attorney... She didn't want to be a distraction from the memorial for Michael..

Poochie

[GentleBreeze]

Well I sure have to agree with you there. I guess I am hoping it is true. I hate to think anyone that has a drug issue has no one around to help them, or at least try. Especially with the beautiful children around. They did say that Janet's signature was missing from the Jackson family release stating the intervention story was not correct. That of course could mean it is true and she didn't sign because of that, or that the media picked up on the fact she didn't sign and decided to create the story that she did go. :wink:


JMO

Or she may have had to return to the movie set out of the country where she is in the middle of making a film.:smile:

[MoonHarvest]

I have feeling this just isn't true. MJ broke from his family when he left the Jackson 5. He wanted away from his abusive father and also the siblings who stayed loyal to the abusive father and claiming there was never any abuse.

His family was not even welcome at Neverland.

After the trial, he stayed away from them and his children were not around them either.

They would not have known what condition he was in from personal knowledge. The family lies so much it's hard to tell what's true.

The Encino residence was bought for his mother by MJ years ago. Most of the family still lives there and he ended up supporting them all when he was trying to support his mother. He still owned the residence when he died and it didn't fall into the bankruptcy because of that.

He did help his brothers out by doing a tour they wanted to do. They would have made no money without MJ.

The family is dysfuctional. They can't even make up their minds where to bury him.

It is a good thing MJ's will tied his estate up and the executors are in charge.

And the family has those children now.:sad:

[MoonHarvest]

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And yet there r so many people on this message board who say the 3 children should stay with the jackson family. I hope Debbie Rowe gets custody. jmo

I suggest those people read the transcript that Scampi posted of the interview between Dr Klein and Larry King.

[Tokyo Rose]

Or she may have had to return to the movie set out of the country where she is in the middle of making a film.:smile:

Fax??:rolleyes:

[ish]

Thank you Scampi.

I just read the transcripts and Klein seems like such a nice caring man.

I thought this part was interesting.

"KLEIN: We were in Hawaii. He couldn't get to sleep. So the whole -- me and my whole office went to sleep in the room with him."

It makes me wonder if MJ couldn't go to sleep if he was alone in a room. He grew up with all of his brothers sleeping in the bedroom with him. Was MJ scared to sleep by himself, I wonder.

imo

Why are Dr Klein and his "whole" office in Hawaii with Michael Jackson? secondly, if I cannot sleep, I certainly don't disrupt the sleep of a "whole" office of people in order for them to come and keep me company.

[witchywoman]

A MJ home movie. Shown on Fox.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tiza3s_UCn4&feature=PlayList&p=261B8599DA2DAD15&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=6

Thx 4 posting this link...

I enjoyed seeing this side of MJ..

jmo

[who_is_it]

[color=blue]Good morning everyone. Last night Larry King had Dr. Arnold Klein, MJ's dermatologist on and I must say after listening to the doctor I really changed my original opinion of him. He is a very kind and talented man.

<snipped>



I don't fall for rumors easily... but I wouldn't rule out he's the biological father of MJ's kids.

[who_is_it]

Not sure if I got this correctly... but wasn't there a interview with Kenny Ortega after the memorial? If yes, which channel?

[who_is_it]

Thank you Scampi.

<snipped>

It makes me wonder if MJ couldn't go to sleep if he was alone in a room. He grew up with all of his brothers sleeping in the bedroom with him. Was MJ scared to sleep by himself, I wonder.

imo

Very likely.

Btw, Robbie Williams also can't sleep alone. He admitted this in interviews. If there's no one close to him around he even asks staff members to sleep with him in a room.

[who_is_it]

Why are Dr Klein and his "whole" office in Hawaii with Michael Jackson? secondly, if I cannot sleep, I certainly don't disrupt the sleep of a "whole" office of people in order for them to come and keep me company.

Sleeping habits of people are different...

[jewel6]

http://www.people.com/people/package/article/0,,20287787_20290332,00.html from dr Klein.

[CANDYKISSES]

I don't fall for rumors easily... but I wouldn't rule out he's the biological father of MJ's kids.

I think he could possibly LEGALLY be a SPERM DONOR and if so, my money says he stays that per an agreement. But I am just guessing like anyone else. :unsure:

[who_is_it]

[QUOTE=Bubbles;13268003]--------------------

And yet there r so many people on this message board who say the 3 children should stay with the jackson family. I hope Debbie Rowe gets custody. jmo[/QUOTEl

I hope so too. She is their biological mother and the judge will be looking into that dysfunctional family just like he will be looking at DR.

In comparison, DR seems much more normal. jmo

I think he will also look at how many people are living at the Encino house and how they are being supported. jmo

I don't think too bad of DR... but if Michael's children are with the Jackson family there are always other kids aroung. They aren't lonely.

[MoonHarvest]

[QUOTE=Tokyo Rose;13268019]

I don't think too bad of DR... but if Michael's children are with the Jackson family there are always other kids aroung. They aren't lonely.

They need stability, lots of reassurance, and eventually structure, good role models, to be accepted for who they uniquely are, and protected form exploitation .. a tall order. I hope they are graced with good loving people who can provide this for them. It's hard being in this big world without a mommy and a daddy.

[who_is_it]

a little bit off topic:

I storaged the names of the AV's former teachers - Mr Gerald, Mr Alpert, Mr Murphy, Mr Parker, Mr. Collins, Miss Slaugher and Mr Finklestein.

But I don't know the source. As far as I remember no teacher testified.

Does anybody recall the source? Were the teachers interrogated by the police? If yes, where on the web can I find the interrogations?

[MoonHarvest]

[QUOTE=MoonHarvest;13268148]

ITA. I do not envy the Judge. I just hope the two older children do have a say and their choice is given weight. No matter who gets them I hope Grace will be kept in the loop. JMO

I don't know a great deal about how all of this is done. But, I do hope that they are appointed some type of guardian removed from the situation who can over see their progress both short and long term.

[who_is_it]

ITA. I do not envy the Judge. I just hope the two older children do have a say and their choice is given weight. No matter who gets them I hope Grace will be kept in the loop. JMO

??????????????
What you quoted above wasn't MY post!? - There's something technically wrong.

[MoonHarvest]

??????????????
What you quoted above wasn't MY post!? - There's something technically wrong.

I was getting confused too. :lol:

[MoonHarvest]

There is something wrong with the way MoonHarvest is responding to posts.

Me? Are you sure?:confused: I haven't been doing anything different than I 've always done.

[who_is_it]

Me? Are you sure?:confused: I haven't been doing anything different than I 've always done.

That started as Bubble's quoted Tokyo Rose but it didn't appear as a quote. There was a double "QUOTE" inside...

[MoonHarvest]

Usually they are appointed a legal guardian. My family went through this with my niece and nephew and DCS is usually involved as well.

Thanks Athena, glad to hear that. Did it work out well for your niece and nephew?

[MoonHarvest]

O/T - In Illinois there were 300 graves disturbed related to a re-selling scheme; locations have been changed; bodies moved, etc. Many celebrities buried there. I don't blame the Jacksons for not wanting people to know where MJ is/will be buried. :ohmy: (breaking news on CNN Live)


That's terrible.

[Tokyo Rose]

??????????????
What you quoted above wasn't MY post!? - There's something technically wrong.


I was quoted also and it wasn't my post.

[Tokyo Rose]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tokyo Rose View Post

I don't think too bad of DR... but if Michael's children are with the Jackson family there are always other kids aroung. They aren't lonely.

This is not my post.

[who_is_it]

Michael Jackson helped develop merchandise for London event

"And it's coming to a retailer near you. The late singer was intimately involved in brainstorming what would become more than 300 items to be sold in conjunction with the 'This Is It' concert series.

"From his rented mansion on Carolwood Drive, Michael Jackson sketched out ideas for the merchandise he planned to sell in conjunction with his "This Is It" concert series at London's O2 Arena (...)"

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-ct-jackson9-2009jul09,1,6918129.story

[MoonHarvest]

Really long story. My mom got custody of my nephew but not my niece. My nephew is 18 months older than my niece but when I mom tried to get custody of my niece they said she was too old. Basically the case worker from DCS blocked us from seeing her; she was eventually fired but it didn't prevent our niece was adopted. The weirdest thing was the new caseworker and the legal guardian were on the side of my mom. The good thing is that the adoptive parents agreed to an open adoption so we have maintained contact and she knows her entire family. :)

O boy, this can get complicated.:sad: It sounds though, as indicated by your happy face, that it may have worked out somewhat well for all. It's a difficult road to traverse when a parent dies.

[ScoobyDoo]

I don't understand why everyone is so sure that Michael Jackson is not the bio father? I do not think his kids came from 2 white people.

[MoonHarvest]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tokyo Rose View Post

I don't think too bad of DR... but if Michael's children are with the Jackson family there are always other kids aroung. They aren't lonely.

This is not my post.

I don't know what happened.

For the record: I myself, always do things above board. Always.

[ScoobyDoo]

Does this mean no discussion about the elephant in the room? Is it still open season on DR current and past?

Maybe so, since a lot of people believe, and rightly so, that he was acquited of all charges, and to continue to hurl the same accusations, for which he was tried and acquited is just wrong.

imo...if course.

[Tokyo Rose]

I don't know what happened.

For the record: I myself, always do things above board. Always.

Oh, I'm not blaming you for anything at all. It was just a weird thing that happened.

[mrsmcgoo]

I don't know what happened.

For the record: I myself, always do things above board. Always.

MoonHarvest, no worries. I think this happens every now and than, not sure why, but I don't think anyone does things intentional and may even be the system.
:smile:

[Tokyo Rose]

Maybe so, since a lot of people believe, and rightly so, that he was acquited of all charges, and to continue to hurl the same accusations, for which he was tried and acquited is just wrong.

imo...if course.

There were accusations from more than just one boy. Many people believe otherwise anyway. jmo

[MoonHarvest]

We just had a crooked social worker that was accepting money from the foster parents to keep my niece away from the family. Her lies were all uncovered as in her case documentation she wrote that none of my family ever tried to see her and we spoke to this case worker from the day she was born and removed from the hospital and it took us 8 months to find out where she was - that's why I said this is really a long story. In spite of that though, they adopted my niece and have done a tremendous job so it worked out.

If they indeed offered money that's not good, at all.

Hope your niece was able to know her brother well.

As I said earlier, it's sad and complicated when this has to all be decided after a parent dies.

[who_is_it]

Michael Jackson: HIStory of superstar's unreleased songs

(...)
"Jackson was intent on crafting an album with "positive messages that would bring people together, upbeat songs as well as ballads," Akon says. "And his voice was incredible — it had not changed."

(...)

"Veteran engineer and producer Bruce Swedien, a longtime Jackson and Quincy Jones colleague who worked on Off the Wall and Thriller, says he and Jackson had "experimented" with classical music but had "a bunch of things in the works" in more of a pop vein."

(...)

"And Queen guitarist Brian May revealed on his website after the superstar's death that he and Freddie Mercury had recorded tracks at Jackson's home."

http://www.usatoday.com/life/music/news/2009-07-08-unreleased-jackson-music_N.htm

[flipflop]

http://photos.tmz.com/galleries/michael_jackson_family_photos_2#46538

Check out these pics of Michael Jackson's 2003 grocery store shopping spree -- the one where his friend shut down a Publix supermarket so he could "shop like everyone else and put things in a basket."






I think number 13 is funny. His shirt cracks me up.

[MoonHarvest]

MoonHarvest, no worries. I think this happens every now and than, not sure why, but I don't think anyone does things intentional and may even be the system.
:smile:


Thanks MrsMc and Tokyo, I was getting confused myself. My eyes wanted to cross...:lol: for a minute there.

[ScoobyDoo]

There were accusations from more than just one boy. Many people believe otherwise anyway. jmo

Fortunately not the people that matter.

[MoonHarvest]

Oh yes -- they are very close. :)

Awww that's good.:thumbup:

[Tokyo Rose]

Fortunately not the people that matter.

LOL Is that your opinion or do you have a link?

[ScoobyDoo]

There is no African American DNA in those children. They are 100% caucasian w/blue eyes. Remember, Michael was born a very dark African American. DR already admitted Jackson is not the father. imo

Wow! Did you actually perform and process those DNA tests? Can you post a link to those findings? I did not know there were any tests done, with conclusive results.

[who_is_it]

Gay rumors in a new book

There's a new book out by Ian Halperin (I never heard this name before.) He claims that Michael Jackson't wasn't into boys but into man.

"Halperin also contends that Jackson is no pedophile and may be a blackmail victim."

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/michael_jackson/2009/07/08/2009-07-08_michael_jackson_was_gay_claims_new_book.html

Does anyone know the author? Just someone who wants to make money? Someone who knew Michael?

P.S.: I don't think it's true for the magazines which were found at Neverland.

[ScoobyDoo]

LOL Is that your opinion or do you have a link?


The jurors: You can look at the jury verdict.

The Children: You can look at the memorial and conclude that.

The people he loved: Because they have spoken out.

The people who personally knew him: Because they have spoken out.

Oh did I mention the 12 jurors?

[Pretty Leaf]

Did you read my post? I didn't say MJ was the bio father but those children are not necessarily 100% caucasian especially as fair as DR is -- my son is bi-racial and I can assure you that Paris can be his sister !!!!! Bi-racial children can pass for white and their skin color ranges from light to dark. I speak from first-hand experience. My entire family / nieces/nephews are bi-racial (2 sisters and 2 brothers) :rolleyes:


When looking at the pictures of the family onstage Paris colouring is not far off from Janet's and LaToya's. Prince Micheal 1 is a little lighter and Blanket is as dark as most of the Jackson's, the eyes as well.

[Tokyo Rose]

The jurors: You can look at the jury verdict.

The Children: You can look at the memorial and conclude that.

The people he loved: Because they have spoken out.

The people who personally knew him: Because they have spoken out.

Oh did I mention the 12 jurors?

What about the other boy he paid $20 million to keep his mouth shut?

[who_is_it]

What about the other boy he paid $20 million to keep his mouth shut?

Michael's insurance company wanted him to pay.

"She [Guthrie] was referring to 1994 case in which Jackson was accused of pedophilia by a youngster who, according to writer Mary Fisher, a serious journalist, was used by his father to wrest some cash from Jackson. In"Mixing It Up,” I summarized Mary Fisher’s serious and thorough investigation that was originally published in GQ, October, 1994, under the title “Was Michael Jackson Framed?” Jackson settled out of court because Johnnie Cochran didn’t want him to face one of those all white suburban juries that O. J. faced.

Fisher wrote: “It’s a story of greed, ambition, misconceptions of part of police and prosecutors, a lazy and sensation-seeking media and the use of a powerful, hypnotic drug. It may also be a story about how a case was simply invented.”

Fisher claimed that the first case arose from the ambitions of the thirteen-year-old accuser’s stepfather, Evan Chandler, who exploited Jackson’s friendship with his son. At one point, he asked Jackson to build him a house. Fisher said that the child denied being abused by Jackson until he was administered the drug sodium amytal, which is known to induce false memory. Chandler refused to be interviewed for the article and refused to appear on the Today Show, where Fisher repeated her charges before a nationwide audience. She said that the whole scheme was concocted by the child’s stepfather to destroy the superstar."

http://www.counterpunch.org/reed06292009.html

[Hanalei]

He could be bi but IMO he never looked like he was into women or he would have had his kids the old fashion way. I don't know any hetro male that would hire another woman to carry his babies unless his own wife could have kids. Just really odd!


Gay rumors in a new book

There's a new book out by Ian Halperin (I never heard this name before.) He claims that Michael Jackson't wasn't into boys but into man.

"Halperin also contends that Jackson is no pedophile and may be a blackmail victim."

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/michael_jackson/2009/07/08/2009-07-08_michael_jackson_was_gay_claims_new_book.html

Does anyone know the author? Just someone who wants to make money? Someone who knew Michael?

P.S.: I don't think it's true for the magazines which were found at Neverland.

[Tokyo Rose]

Michael's insurance company wanted him to pay.

Do you have a link to that information? What type insurance company would cover something like that?

IIRC he offered to pay off the second boy also, but the mother refused and wanted to go to trial. jmo

[mrsmcgoo]

When looking at the pictures of the family onstage Paris colouring is not far off from Janet's and LaToya's. Prince Micheal 1 is a little lighter and Blanket is as dark as most of the Jackson's, the eyes as well.

I noticed that also. They seem to be quite dark complected to me. Beautiful skin.

[Pretty Leaf]

When leaving Staples Centre there was a hearse in the procession. Somewhere along the line before the restaurant it is gone.So with so many helicopters in the air how was that missed? NG asked the question last night and someone said there are so many ways out of the centre...what has that got to do with it suddenly missing? NG seemed to give up at that point. Some say a decoy..ok so where did the decoy go?

TMZ was very accurate in their reporting of the story, wonder how they have never found it.


Secondly did anyone notice when the performers and speakers left the stage and were embraced by the brothers, Joe got into the mix and was not hugged by some...Usher for instance it looked like he just shouldered his way past Joe to get to Katherine.

When at the BET awards the president of the academy (if that's the title) gave her condolences to katherine and never mentioned Joe who was sitting there in the audience.

Joe is not being embraced by the entertainment community IMO.

[Hanalei]

So when the white looking child grows up on her info is she going to have to put down under race black?

Biracial twins:

There's a twist, though. Kian has the genes from the Jamaican-Caribbean side of the family. With dark skin, hair and eyes, she looks black.
Remee has light skin, blond hair and blue eyes, and looks white.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=1813509

[Hanalei]

I'm white but I have tan skin. Just because they aren't white looking
doesn't mean their are MJ bio kids.


I noticed that also. They seem to be quite dark complected to me. Beautiful skin.

[ScoobyDoo]

What about the other boy he paid $20 million to keep his mouth shut?


Extortion sucks. He obviously didn't matter except in the sense the intentional damage he, with his father's coaching, caused an innocent man.

imo...of course.

[mrsmcgoo]

When leaving Staples Centre there was a hearse in the procession. Somewhere along the line before the restaurant it is gone.So with so many helicopters in the air how was that missed? NG asked the question last night and someone said there are so many ways out of the centre...what has that got to do with it suddenly missing? NG seemed to give up at that point. Some say a decoy..ok so where did the decoy go?

TMZ was very accurate in their reporting of the story, wonder how they have never found it.


Secondly did anyone notice when the performers and speakers left the stage and were embraced by the brothers, Joe got into the mix and was not hugged by some...Usher for instance it looked like he just shouldered his way past Joe to get to Katherine.

When at the BET awards the president of the academy (if that's the title) gave her condolences to katherine and never mentioned Joe who was sitting there in the audience.

Joe is not being embraced by the entertainment community IMO.

PL, I noticed this also and posted about it yesterday.

By all appearances, Joe seems to be on the outside. I am not sure if this is new, or if people are just as disgusted with his comments and disrespect he showed to his son, as we all were.

JMO

[ScoobyDoo]

I think too many forgt about this or try to make it seem like it didn't matter. IMO, paying out 20 million proves you were going to be brought down hard. No one who is truely innocent would pay that. Would you? imo

Back to current events. They just reported on CNN that Janet a few others try to stage an intervention because MJ really needed one. He had his security turn them away. Seems if anyone tried to speak out or help MJ they were cut off or fired. imo

It was the prudent thing to do. His insurance company made him do it. No one who is truly a victim would seek money instead of justice and a duty to make sure a true molester wasn't able to molest again. Seems pretty clear to me.

[GentleBreeze]

Gay rumors in a new book

There's a new book out by Ian Halperin (I never heard this name before.) He claims that Michael Jackson't wasn't into boys but into man.

"Halperin also contends that Jackson is no pedophile and may be a blackmail victim."

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/michael_jackson/2009/07/08/2009-07-08_michael_jackson_was_gay_claims_new_book.html

Does anyone know the author? Just someone who wants to make money? Someone who knew Michael?

P.S.: I don't think it's true for the magazines which were found at Neverland.


MJ talks about "blackmail" in "They dont care about us" song.

imo

[mrsmcgoo]

I'm white but I have tan skin. Just because they aren't white looking
doesn't mean their are MJ bio kids.

You must have me mixed up with someone. I have never stated they were MJ's biological children.

I was just commenting on the lovely olive complexions the children have.

[Pretty Leaf]

I read your post obviously.

I'm very aware of what bi-racial children can look like. Those kids are not bi-racial. DR already confirmed it. Are you going to tell her children are not caucasian too because of your first hand experience?

You can be wrong on a message board. This isn't a contest. You won't be winning any prizes here. No need to be rude.


:rolleyes:
imo

bolding mine

I would not believe anything DR has to say about the children. It's all about $$$ with her. She was paid 2x for the kids, after the divorce then after the trial for her testimony.

I have never heard she made any comment like that so if she did say that was that after Michael died?? If so then it is a ploy to up the ante with the Jacksons. IMO

[Hanalei]

IMO the reason why MJs insurance pushed MJ to settle is because if it went to trial and MJ was found guilty then the insurance company would have to pay out more money then what the settled on. Insurance companies are very cheap about giving up money so the evidence they had against MJ in 1993 must have been strong or the wouldn't have settled for $20 million. MJ lawyers at the time couldn't promise MJ what side the jury would be on so it was safer for MJ to settle and not be convicted.


Do you have a link to that information? What type insurance company would cover something like that?

IIRC he offered to pay off the second boy also, but the mother refused and wanted to go to trial. jmo

[Hanalei]

Bad addicts don't want help until they hit rock bottom,get arrested or in this case when it's too late.


I think too many forgt about this or try to make it seem like it didn't matter. IMO, paying out 20 million proves you were going to be brought down hard. No one who is truely innocent would pay that. Would you? imo

Back to current events. They just reported on CNN that Janet a few others try to stage an intervention because MJ really needed one. He had his security turn them away. Seems if anyone tried to speak out or help MJ they were cut off or fired. imo

[GentleBreeze]

It was the prudent thing to do. His insurance company made him do it. No one who is truly a victim would seek money instead of justice and a duty to make sure a true molester wasn't able to molest again. Seems pretty clear to me.

It certainly was. MJ knew he was being extorted but he knew if this got out it could ruin his life even though he knew he was innocent.

20 million was chump change but MJ never admitted guilt of any wrongdoing. He just couldn't take the stress and threats made by EC anymore.



imo

[Pretty Leaf]

bolding mine

I would not believe anything DR has to say about the children. It's all about $$$ with her. She was paid 2x for the kids, after the divorce then after the trial for her testimony.

I have never heard she made any comment like that so if she did say that was that after Michael died?? If so then it is a ploy to up the ante with the Jacksons. IMO


To answer my own question her statement was AFTER Michael died, yup she is upping the ante.

http://buzz.yahoo.com/article/1:limelife358:786c1081555573c518d05643941e54db/Jacksons-ex-wife-Debbie-Rowe-claims-he-is-not-the-biological-father

[Tokyo Rose]

bolding mine

I would not believe anything DR has to say about the children. It's all about $$$ with her. She was paid 2x for the kids, after the divorce then after the trial for her testimony.

I have never heard she made any comment like that so if she did say that was that after Michael died?? If so then it is a ploy to up the ante with the Jacksons. IMO


MJ and DR TOGETHER decided about the money involved with the children. If she's so bad what does that make MJ?

She didn't get any more money the second time. She only got what MJ hadn't finished paying the first time.

She could have really taken him to the cleaners at the divorce and didn't.

jmo

[who_is_it]

Do you have a link to that information? What type insurance company would cover something like that?

IIRC he offered to pay off the second boy also, but the mother refused and wanted to go to trial. jmo

"MICHAEL JACKSON's insurance company forced the late King of Pop to pay a reported $20 million (GBP13.3 million) to his first child molestation accuser, rather than challenge him in court, according to a new book which sets out to clear the pop superstar of his bad name."

http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/article/new-book-states-insurers-forced-jackson-to-pay-off-child-molestation-accuser_1109126

Like others here I don't want to rehash the trial. I only sometimes post links if I adhoc know the source of the information.

[Hanalei]

Sorry I thought from your post that you stated that they have dark complexions that you were agreeing to one poster that they were MJs kids.


You must have me mixed up with someone. I have never stated they were MJ's biological children.

I was just commenting on the lovely olive complexions the children have.

[GentleBreeze]

IMO the reason why MJs insurance pushed MJ to settle is because if it went to trial and MJ was found guilty then the insurance company would have to pay out more money then what the settled on. Insurance companies are very cheap about giving up money so the evidence they had against MJ in 1993 must have been strong or the wouldn't have settled for $20 million. MJ lawyers at the time couldn't promise MJ what side the jury would be on so it was safer for MJ to settle and not be convicted.

I don't agree. The allegation was the serious problem. It can destroy lives of people who are totally innocent. Just the mere allegation is offensive and I know it was for MJ imo. He was right in the middle of making lots of money at that time and it was much better to get him out from under this tremendous stress and Chandler off of his back.

No parent if their child was truly molested would take money instead of justice.

It was all a scam and MJ was caught up in a nightmare filled with an extorting money grubber who made sure his kid was around MJ.

imo

[Tokyo Rose]

"MICHAEL JACKSON's insurance company forced the late King of Pop to pay a reported $20 million (GBP13.3 million) to his first child molestation accuser, rather than challenge him in court, according to a new book which sets out to clear the pop superstar of his bad name."

http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/article/new-book-states-insurers-forced-jackson-to-pay-off-child-molestation-accuser_1109126

Like others here I don't want to rehash the trial. I only sometimes post links if I adhoc know the source of the information.

OK, so you believe this author, who ever he is? He says MJ was gay. You believe that too?

This is all garbage as far as I'm concerned and proves nothing. Let's see something more official, like something from this insurance company. Maybe even just the name of this insurance company. jmo

[who_is_it]

He could be bi but IMO he never looked like he was into women or he would have had his kids the old fashion way. I don't know any hetro male that would hire another woman to carry his babies unless his own wife could have kids. Just really odd!

Some here on the threads think he was asexual.

I think to a certain extent he felt sexually attraced by women (his own interviews; Lisa-Maria, the mags found at Neverland). I also don't care if there's something true about the gay rumors. I'm more interested in the liability of the source from the aspect: worth to read about the blackmail?


@ your concerns about the mother of his kids: Maybe he wanted to have sole parental rights... and therefore thouhgt DR was the right one!?

[GentleBreeze]

I'm white but I have tan skin. Just because they aren't white looking
doesn't mean their are MJ bio kids.

They have beautiful olive skin to me.

They sure don't look 100% Caucasian to me.

I am tan too but I am white. They do not look tan. They look like that is their natural skin tone.

imo

[who_is_it]

OK, so you believe this author, who ever he is? He says MJ was gay. You believe that too?

This is all garbage as far as I'm concerned and proves nothing. Let's see something more official, like something from this insurance company. Maybe even just the name of this insurance company. jmo

There's are also the quotes which I've posted above... and a whole book by Geraldine Hughes in which all information about the blackmail could be found.

@ the rumors: See my post to Hanalei.

[Pretty Leaf]

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/35/20090629/tmusic-debbie-rowe-jackson-not-father-of-my-716af92.html

She was paid and handsomely, with a ranch to boot. Lots of money over 9 yrs.

Trying to find link about after the trial but it has been reported on NG she got money twice

[GentleBreeze]

I agree. I was stunned to see how much Blanket looked like MJ

I was mesmerized and shocked. That was the first thought that came to my mind.

imo

[Tokyo Rose]

I was mesmerized and shocked. That was the first thought that came to my mind.

imo

I didn't see any African American features. Did you?

[Mnchkin426]

Why does it matter whether MJ was the two oldest children's biological father or not? Are people just speculating for the heck of it? It is my understanding that since he and Debbie Rowe were married when she gave birth to them, he is legally their father. Not sure about Blanket's circumstances. One thing I have a strong opinion about, though, is that all three children should stay together no matter what. They need each other. MOO

[GentleBreeze]

Is this your opinion? I believe this is where you provide links to back this up. Settlement does indeed indicate wrongdoing, imo. So you'll just pay out money for nothing? That is ridiculous. He had the means to take it all the way to court, he knew he would lose. Just because he got off after that circus trial doesn't make him innocent. They let OJ off too. imo

I don't know why this seems to be a shock to some. Insurance companies pay off all the time. It is best to settle the case and there will never be a document of MJ admitting wrongdoing because he did not admitted to doing anything wrong.

I don't think anyone wants to place their lives in the hands of 12 to decide if they are innocent or guilty. I dont see defendants rushing up begging to go to court even when they are innocent.

Well it is for darn sure.......that trial shows that he is not guilty of the crime for which he was charged doesn't it?

I sure would rather have a legal verdict of NG than an assumption of guilt any day.

imo

[jewel6]

Why does it matter whether MJ was the two oldest children's biological father or not? Are people just speculating for the heck of it? It is my understanding that since he and Debbie Rowe were married when she gave birth to them, he is legally their father. Not sure about Blanket's circumstances. One thing I have a strong opinion about, though, is that all three children should stay together no matter what. They need each other. MOO

I totally agree. I am one who has speculated about the two oldest children, and if the person who gave birth to blanket has figured out who he is. Its just curiosity for some. I do agree with your post though. Michael was their father and they should all stay together. jmo

[Tokyo Rose]

I don't know why this seems to be a shock to some. Insurance companies pay off all the time. It is best to settle the case and there will never be a document of MJ admitting wrongdoing because he did not admitted to doing anything wrong.

I don't think anyone wants to place their lives in the hands of 12 to decide if they are innocent or guilty. I dont see defendants rushing up begging to go to court even when they are innocent.

Well it is for darn sure.......that trial shows that he is not guilty of the crime for which he was charged doesn't it?

I sure would rather have a legal verdict of NG than an assumption of guilt any day.

imo

I'm just trying to figure out what type of insurance covers that. His homeowners, his auto insurance, or maybe his flood insurance?

Did he have a policy to cover child molestation accusations?

Enlighten me please.

[CANDYKISSES]

I was mesmerized and shocked. That was the first thought that came to my mind.

imo

I see MJ's mannerisms in him too. I was LOL when I saw him in one of the videos with pajama pants on and sporting just a little defiance. All I could think of is "THAT IS HIS FATHER ALL OVER AGAIN". JMO tho and I know children change as they grow, but he has a lot of Michael in him from what I've seen.

[Tokyo Rose]

DR is not Blanket's mother. She has no claim or right to him whatsoever.

You really think a Family Court Judge is going to split those children up, let alone give two of them to a woman they don't even know.

Biology means NOTHING.

I disagree. Biology means everything when it comes to the two oldest children. jmo

[jewel6]

I see MJ's mannerisms in him too. I was LOL when I saw him in one of the videos with pajama pants on and sporting just a little defiance. All I could think of is "THAT IS HIS FATHER ALL OVER AGAIN". JMO tho and I know children change as they grow, but he has a lot of Michael in him from what I've seen.

Did you see his white socks and black loafer shoes. Thats the first thing that caught my eye at the memorial service. ah that looked just like his father. jmo

[CANDYKISSES]

IMO total BS! DR would not have distracted from Michael.

DR didn't go because she made a fool of herself with the press on Sunday and because it would have been embarassing for her for the world to see how those kids have no relationship with her whatsoever.

ITA, she can't afford anymore bad press out there right now. I think the video where she described giving the children as a GIFT and then the head spinning F bomb current video should help set any judge worth his or her salt straight. JMO:wink:

[who_is_it]

Didn't one of MJs body guards say last week that he had a "secret girlfriend"? Who? Do you think he made it up just like he said "I never saw him do drugs"?

I recall that a bodyguard talked about the secret longterm girlfriend... and here at the board were speculations that it could be the nanny, Grace. I neither know what else he said nor his name.

[jewel6]

I recall that a bodyguard talked about the secret longterm girlfriend... and here at the board were speculations that it could be the nanny, Grace. I neither know what else he said nor his name.

I thought they said she lived in France? :confused: jmo

[Pretty Leaf]

MJ and DR TOGETHER decided about the money involved with the children. If she's so bad what does that make MJ?

She didn't get any more money the second time. She only got what MJ hadn't finished paying the first time.

She could have really taken him to the cleaners at the divorce and didn't.

jmo


No she got more money the second time
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debbie_Rowe


The couple divorced on October 8, 1999, with Rowe giving full custody rights of the children to Jackson. Rowe received an $8-million settlement, and a house in Beverly Hills, California.[5] On the stand, in the People v. Jackson case in 2005, she explained that she had been allowed limited visits to her children, for eight hours every 45 days.[6]

In 2001, Rowe went to a private judge to have her parental rights for the two children terminated.[5] In 2004, she went to court to have the decision reversed.[7]

In 2005, Rowe sold her Beverly Hills house for $1.3 million, and bought a ranch in Palmdale, California.[8] In 2006, she sued Jackson for one immediate payment of $195,000 and one payment of $50,000 to pursue a child custody case .[7] Jackson was ordered to pay her $60,000 in legal fees.[9]So a 8 million$ settlement, a house worth over a million and $300,000more money in a law suit about the child custody hmm

And if she was going to take him to the cleaners don't forget they never consumated the marriage as per DR so she would probably have lost in getting large $$ from the court.

[Tokyo Rose]

Did you see his white socks and black loafer shoes. Thats the first thing that caught my eye at the memorial service. ah that looked just like his father. jmo

I wonder who dressed him?

[MoonHarvest]

I don't agree.

No parent if their child was truly molested would take money instead of justice.



imo

snipped to quote

Isn't that the truth.

[Mnchkin426]

Is this your opinion? I believe this is where you provide links to back this up. Settlement does indeed indicate wrongdoing, imo. So you'll just pay out money for nothing? That is ridiculous. He had the means to take it all the way to court, he knew he would lose. Just because he got off after that circus trial doesn't make him innocent. They let OJ off too. imo

IMO settlement means that it is not clear that the case can be proven one way or another. Juries are very unpredictible. They can be swayed by emotion rather than basing a verdict on fact.....especially when they see a deep pocket. The insurance company probably didn't want to take that chance. Besides, the other side accepted the settlement, too, and they might have won much more than 20 million if they could prove their case. Do you know just how much they were suing for? To use your same logic, does settling mean that the accuser thought he would lose? Seems to me that it is just as likely that MJ's side had some prejudicial information that might have been embarrassing to the child or the child's father and so they agreed to take this way out. No way to tell. A settlement is a draw. IMO

[CANDYKISSES]

You are good. Love this question. :thumbsup:

Try UMBRELLA POLICY, typically written for unexpected protection when you have something like fame and/or money that attracts GRIFTERS IMO.

This is a nice soft definition.

http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/umbrella-policy.html

Personal liability can be written into an umbrella policy too. JMO

[who_is_it]

I thought they said she lived in France? :confused: jmo

She was fired several times, Thome-Thome confirmed in an interview. I don't know where she lives or lived but at the time of Michael's death she was in GB.

[Pretty Leaf]

I didn't see any African American features. Did you?


I'm Irish from both sides and I don't have red hair and I am not fair skinned. Doesn't make me any less Irish.

[who_is_it]

I was mesmerized and shocked. That was the first thought that came to my mind.

imo

Don't ask for a source..., I don't remember where I've read this... but allegedly Mark Lester said in an interview: Though the youngest the most musical kid of MJ is Blanket.

[jewel6]

Don't ask for a source..., I don't remember where I've read this... but alleged Mark Lester said in an interview: Though the youngest the most musical kid of MJ is Blanket.

I dont want to get flamed, but my 19 year old son swears that blanket is Michaels. jmo and jmo only actually my sons. jmo

[Tokyo Rose]

How ignorant can you be??

You've just discounted the parental-child relationship between MILLIONS OF ADOPTED CHILDREN AND THEIR LOVING PARENTS

shame on you.

This case has nothing to do with adoption. jmo

[Mnchkin426]

This case has nothing to do with adoption. jmo

Hmmmm! Are you sure about that? JMO

[who_is_it]

I dont want to get flamed, but my 19 year old son swears that blanket is Michaels. jmo and jmo only actually my sons. jmo

It could be that Michael is his biological father. Mark Lester's words made me think it even more...

For the other kids: All what's important is if he was a LOVING father to them. He was imo.

[CANDYKISSES]

Blackbird, that was so not cool calling that informed poster a name. Why can't you understand that biological means everything within the court system? They've been rehashing it over and over on the news. Where ya been? What does adoption have to do with this? You might want to get better informed on those kids. They aren't adopted. Feel better now? imo

Oh yes, please do show us all the links that have been rehashed concerning this case and biology meaning everything. :biggrin:

[CANDYKISSES]

This case doesn't have anything to do with biology either. These children were born into a marriage. IIRC, the woman who carried the first two pregnancies was married to MJ which at the time made them mother and father to the two children by CA law.

As far as the pregnancy, the sperm and egg go, they could very well both be DONORS, or one could be a donor and one was the parent by CA law IMO.

The best welfare of the children absent Michael's wishes if the courts were not comfortable with any actions presented, will be looked into and determined by the court IMOO. :wink: I think a family court judge will interview the older two and get their thoughts on this too. :crying:

[Pretty Leaf]

I have posted all the supporting documentation I have come to the conclusion that certain posters don't want to hear the truth because if they read them their arguments would be null. JMO

Was just thinking the same thing ..post links to back up what you are saying and it is still not enough.

[CANDYKISSES]

I have posted all the supporting documentation I have come to the conclusion that certain posters don't want to hear the truth because if they read them their arguments would be null. JMO

I can see that Athena and apparently they want to stay as absent of information and legal reality as possible. JMO. :wink:

[jewel6]

I am. Google this: are mjs kids adopted? You will find bunch of info that proves MJ didn't legally adopt the kids. He would have most likely been turned down. imo

Would michael have to adopt at least the first two if he was married to debbie when they were born? He signed the certificate. i know a couple who did that. He wasnt really the father but he signed the birth certificate as the father. jmo I mean why would he have to adopt them?

[who_is_it]

Who is the man left to MJ on the 2nd photo?

http://photos.tmz.com/galleries/michael_jackson_family_photos_2#46540

Imo he must be the one who sells all these private pics to TMZ because he was on the pics of MJ and his kids -- published shortly after his death --, too.

[jewel6]

Who is the man left to MJ on the 2nd photo?

http://photos.tmz.com/galleries/michael_jackson_family_photos_2#46540

Imo he must be the one who sells all these private pics to TMZ because he was on the pics of MJ and his kids -- published shortly after his death --, too.

Thats blankets god father. He lives in Miami. jmo

[Pretty Leaf]

Would michael have to adopt at least the first two if he was married to debbie when they were born? He signed the certificate. i know a couple who did that. He wasnt really the father but he signed the birth certificate as the father. jmo I mean why would he have to adopt them?

No he would not..married 2 yrs no challenges..kids his legally

[who_is_it]

Thats blankets god father. He lives in Miami. jmo

Thank you.

I just googled. His name is Al Malnik.

[Tokyo Rose]

Hmmmm! Are you sure about that? JMO

OK, who has adopted those two kids? Who are their adopted parents?

[jewel6]

Thank you. Do you know what his name is?

Ill find it. There was a interview with him.

[who_is_it]

Ill find it. There was a interview with him.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31679938/ns/today_people/

Al Malnik.

Yep, I just concluded by looking at the two series of pics that he must be the guy who gave the pics to the media.... and yep, I was right. Its confirmed in the subtitle of the article:
Al Malnik denies paternity of Jackson’s youngest child, reveals new photos

[Mnchkin426]

I am. Google this: are mjs kids adopted? You will find bunch of info that proves MJ didn't legally adopt the kids. He would have most likely been turned down. imo

Googled and found nothing that proves any of what you say. IMO

[CANDYKISSES]

Not a member of any MJ fan sites, but one thing I noticed is they have excellent document retention -- going all the way back to 1999:

This was the original case where DR asked for her parental rights to be terminated. She did have them restored on appeal because it is said you cannot terminate parental rights without the involvement of DCFS.

Here are the original documents though back in 2001 when she requested parental termination. Interesting read:

At the Oct 17 2001 hearing when Rowe was represented by attorney Iris Finsilver, she said the last time she had even seen the children was almost a year before the hearing. She also testified that she never had so much as a desire to call them over the phone.

Before she made the decision to completely terminate her parental rights, Rowe thought about making the decision for a year. The actual transcript is provided but you have to download the pdf file to read it.

From the hearing transcript:

http://site2.mjeol.com/mj-related/daming-docs-from-debbie-rowe-parental-rights-termination-hearing.html

After seeing that performance she put on in the video about the children being gifts to the man who was BORN TO BE A FATHER, I have zip nada nothing to say for her parenting skills. She has no business with those children IMOO. :no:

[Scampi]

He did not have to "adopt" them.

It's called (in California) Presumed Parentage.

Thank you so much for setting the record straight. Why some are making this an issue, when it is not one is beyond me.

:seeya:

[Pretty Leaf]

http://yeeeah.com/2009/06/29/debbie-rowe-doesnt-want-custody-of-michaels-kids/


Now that Michael Jackson is dead, ex-wife and surrogate mother Debbie Rowe is no longer bound to the confidentially agreement he paid her to sign. Her first order of business? Revealing that Michael was not the biological father of the children. She told News of the World

“I went to the… medical clinic [and] they impregnated me. It’s just like I impregnate my mares for breeding. Just like I stick the sperm up my horse, this is what they did to me. I was [Michael's] thoroughbred.

So she is comparing herself to a horse..isn't that special

it wasn’t Michael’s sperm.”

So how did their equine-metaphor-laden romance come to such an untimely end?

“We never had sex. He never wanted to live with me. That’s why he bought me a house. There was always ‘my house’ and ‘his house’, never ‘our house’.

The [second] delivery was so hard. My insides were all torn up and I was barren. When he knew I couldn’t have any more babies he didn’t want anything to do with me. [COLOR="red"]He took the kids. The settlement was written up, and he just wanted me to be quiet.”

So who signed the agreement with Michael?? Would that be you Debbie?


Which was probably a good thing, because she said of the children:

[B]“I never felt any attachment to them. I got paid for it, and I’ve moved on. I was never cut out to be a mother. I don’t want these children in my life. My [horses] are my children


So she gets paid to have those kids, reproduces like a horse, moved on, with her horses that are her children..sounds like great mother material to me.

[Hanalei]

IMO I don't believe the all of the Jackson are as close as the want us to believe a lot of them are having financial problems and none of them have been independently wealthy without MJ except Janet.


I have feeling this just isn't true. MJ broke from his family when he left the Jackson 5. He wanted away from his abusive father and also the siblings who stayed loyal to the abusive father and claiming there was never any abuse.

His family was not even welcome at Neverland.

After the trial, he stayed away from them and his children were not around them either.

They would not have known what condition he was in from personal knowledge. The family lies so much it's hard to tell what's true.

The Encino residence was bought for his mother by MJ years ago. Most of the family still lives there and he ended up supporting them all when he was trying to support his mother. He still owned the residence when he died and it didn't fall into the bankruptcy because of that.

He did help his brothers out by doing a tour they wanted to do. They would have made no money without MJ.

The family is dysfuctional. They can't even make up their minds where to bury him.

It is a good thing MJ's will tied his estate up and the executors are in charge.

[Mnchkin426]

OK, who has adopted those two kids? Who are their adopted parents?

Never said anything about the children being adopted. Just wondered how someone could be sure that adoption might not be part of the equation at some point. jmo

[CANDYKISSES]

Michael didn't have to "adopt" any of those children.

What part of that don't you get?

NG, is this you????:w00t:

I think it might be even worse than NG....trust me on that. :w00t:

NG can and will look at and READ LAW....sometimes anyway. :thumbup:
jmo

[VC2]

What? In Illinois?

blackbird thought u were talking bout Forest Lawn. One of the most famous at the cemetary robbed in Illinois is Emmet Till :( luckily they say his grave did not seem to be one touched, what a tragedy for all but Emmet..he is a figure that has touched the lives of every american

IMO

[ScoobyDoo]

Never said anything about the children being adopted. Just wondered how someone could be sure that adoption might not be part of the equation at some point. jmo

It couldn't be because there is no basis for it in California law. A person who is already presumed to be the parent(s) does not have to do anything further, including adoption. It would be like having to adopt your own birth children.

[CANDYKISSES]

http://yeeeah.com/2009/06/29/debbie-rowe-doesnt-want-custody-of-michaels-kids/


Now that Michael Jackson is dead, ex-wife and surrogate mother Debbie Rowe is no longer bound to the confidentially agreement he paid her to sign. Her first order of business? Revealing that Michael was not the biological father of the children. She told News of the World

“I went to the… medical clinic [and] they impregnated me. It’s just like I impregnate my mares for breeding. Just like I stick the sperm up my horse, this is what they did to me. I was [Michael's] thoroughbred.

So she is comparing herself to a horse..isn't that special

it wasn’t Michael’s sperm.”

So how did their equine-metaphor-laden romance come to such an untimely end?

“We never had sex. He never wanted to live with me. That’s why he bought me a house. There was always ‘my house’ and ‘his house’, never ‘our house’.

The [second] delivery was so hard. My insides were all torn up and I was barren. When he knew I couldn’t have any more babies he didn’t want anything to do with me. [COLOR="red"]He took the kids. The settlement was written up, and he just wanted me to be quiet.”

So who signed the agreement with Michael?? Would that be you Debbie?


Which was probably a good thing, because she said of the children:

[B]“I never felt any attachment to them. I got paid for it, and I’ve moved on. I was never cut out to be a mother. I don’t want these children in my life. My [horses] are my children


So she gets paid to have those kids, reproduces like a horse, moved on, with her horses that are her children..sounds like great mother material to me.

OMG PRETTY LEAF, what a set back....shame on her......FGS, she has less class and decency than anyone I have ever seen or read about. Comparing her equestrian mating with what she allegedly did and naming herself a THOROUGHBRED....OH DEAR, my fragile mind can't take many more delusional visions of grandeur from DR..... barf

JMO