O.J. Simpson Wants Out On Bail During Appeal Process

[Themis]

On Monday, 7-7-09, O. J. Simpson's attorneys filed documents asking the Nevada Supreme Court (NSC) to allow O.J. out on an bail while his case is appealed to the NSC.

Oral arguments will be heard by the NSC on August 3, 2009.

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[darcie]

To quote my 8 year old niece:

To bad so sad!!:laugh:

[barskin&co.]

...and I want to be independantly wealthy....:rolleyes:

[Details]

Routine request, routinely denied.

[Tracian]

Awww....it's terrible to want.

[Themis]

IF I remember correctly ...

What I remember finding so interesting about OJ's trial in Nevada was the fact that his most serious charge of kidnapping would not have been charged in California.

It was California that OJ avoided visiting like the plague because of the judgement against him as ordered by the court regarding the Goldman's civil lawsuit.
Maybe he was afraid he would be caught visiting one of many of his 'secret' storage units maintained under the names of others.:laugh:

Nevada's strict legal definition of kidnapping brought the stiffest sentence among several charges OJ was found guilty of.

What OJ and his defendant pals did to the victims with regard to moving them from one side of the room, etc. in that Las Vegas hotel room did not even qualify for kidnapping as defined by California's statutes.

[True2Blues]

I want to be 25 again OJ, that isn't going to happen either.

[Details]

...What OJ and his defendant pals did to the victims with regard to moving them from one side of the room, etc. in that Las Vegas hotel room did not even qualify for kidnapping as defined by California's statutes.Actually - it wasn't about moving them from one side to the other of the room - no motion is required for kidnapping. Preventing them from leaving the room - that was what was kidnapping. OJ's clear voice, "Nobody leaves this room" was the clear evidence on that charge. There's an additional related factor if you lure someone to another location for a robbery, to make it easier to rob them.

Just a little technicality - but moving people from one side of the room isn't what creates kidnapping.

[Themis]

Actually - it wasn't about moving them from one side to the other of the room - no motion is required for kidnapping. Preventing them from leaving the room - that was what was kidnapping. OJ's clear voice, "Nobody leaves this room" was the clear evidence on that charge. There's an additional related factor if you lure someone to another location for a robbery, to make it easier to rob them.

Just a little technicality - but moving people from one side of the room isn't what creates kidnapping.
Thank you, Details, for the legal definition of kidnapping as it relates to Nevada -- I stand corrected.
And after re-reading what I wrote based on my memory it makes sense that it was preventing their movement; i.e., depriving the victims of their right to leave the room.

That makes more sense, logically, then forcing them to move within the room.
Trying now to erase that mental picture of OJ forcing the victims to play "Simon Says.":laugh:

Again, thanks and I appreciate you taking the time to post.:smile:

[Details]

No problem - I just can't resist - there's a reason I picked "Details" as a nickname.

[tulpje]

Just imagine.....
Every person who has been convicted of a crime, and sent to prison, we'll let them out of prison while waiting for appeal.


hahaha the prisons would be empty.

OJ is right where he belongs.

[Themis]

No problem - I just can't resist - there's a reason I picked "Details" as a nickname.

Perfect!:laugh:

I still take satisfaction that but for his supreme greed OJ would still be living in his mini-mansion, enjoying golf as often as he wants, eating in fine restaurants, zipping here and there in his vehicles, throwing back some drinks and playing at being 'A Playah.':lol:

[JMO * Themis]

[Adalena935]

IF I remember correctly ...

What I remember finding so interesting about OJ's trial in Nevada was the fact that his most serious charge of kidnapping would not have been charged in California.

It was California that OJ avoided visiting like the plague because of the judgement against him as ordered by the court regarding the Goldman's civil lawsuit.
Maybe he was afraid he would be caught visiting one of many of his 'secret' storage units maintained under the names of others.:laugh:

Nevada's strict legal definition of kidnapping brought the stiffest sentence among several charges OJ was found guilty of.

What OJ and his defendant pals did to the victims with regard to moving them from one side of the room, etc. in that Las Vegas hotel room did not even qualify for kidnapping as defined by California's statutes.

I think it would have depended on which part of California he hypothetically commited the crime of kidnapping in. With a So. Central jury that he had in his murder trial they would've acquitted him if they had a video of him decapitating his ex-wife. Jurors in other areas of the state, not so much.

California views kidnapping seriously too. Just the way he didit in NV.
They do send people to prison for that crime committed in the manner he did it in the vegas hotel room.

[Adalena935]

http://www.aroundthecapitol.com/code/getcode.html?file=./pen/00001-01000/207-210

CALIFORNIA CODES
PENAL CODE
SECTION 207-210

207. (a) Every person who forcibly, or by any other means of
instilling fear, steals or takes, or holds, detains, or arrests any
person in this state, and carries the person into another country,
state, or county, or into another part of the same county, is guilty
of kidnapping.

You don't have to carry them anywhere. All you have to do is instill fear, steal, take, hold, detain - that's CA kidnapping. Same as NV

[Adalena935]

Actually - it wasn't about moving them from one side to the other of the room - no motion is required for kidnapping. Preventing them from leaving the room - that was what was kidnapping. OJ's clear voice, "Nobody leaves this room" was the clear evidence on that charge. There's an additional related factor if you lure someone to another location for a robbery, to make it easier to rob them.

Just a little technicality - but moving people from one side of the room isn't what creates kidnapping.

Same in California. I just posted the code. No movement is required here either.

[Adalena935]

This lists the elements of kidnapping in CA. I bet few states vary in their laws that describe kidnapping elements.

http://www.shouselaw.com/kidnapping.html

[Alibi Ike]

This lists the elements of kidnapping in CA. I bet few states vary in their laws that describe kidnapping elements.

http://www.shouselaw.com/kidnapping.html

Just the discussions back and forth as to Ca. vs Nev. are very telling as to Simpson's plan. He, as usual, carefully planned (so he thought) and orchestrated this rendez-vous and could have cared less who might have been hurt as long as he got his stuff. His head and ego get bigger by the minute. Totally unbelievable!

[barskin&co.]

http://www.aroundthecapitol.com/code/getcode.html?file=./pen/00001-01000/207-210

CALIFORNIA CODES
PENAL CODE
SECTION 207-210

207. (a) Every person who forcibly, or by any other means of
instilling fear, steals or takes, or holds, detains, or arrests any
person in this state, and carries the person into another country,
state, or county, or into another part of the same county, is guilty
of kidnapping.

You don't have to carry them anywhere. All you have to do is instill fear, steal, take, hold, detain - that's CA kidnapping. Same as NV

Yes, as I just posted on another thread, this is what Phil Spector should have been prosecuted for years ago.

[Details]

He should be out on bail if he surrenders his passport.
The case was overcharged. Can you believe his friend with NO record received the same sentence?? That Judge was a drama queen
I say give them both bail as they appeal.Yeah, same crime, same sentence - just like they were both equal under the law - which they are.

It was an armed robbery, and a minor kidnapping. A serious matter. And it's not normal for people to get bail as they appeal - OJ should be treated like everyone else, and be serving his sentence.

[Details]

OJ was sentenced because he "got off" in CA. That is so obvious.
The sentence did not fit the crime.
His friend should have received a lesser sentence or probation, or even house arrest.He was on tape for every bit of it. Planning, execution - there's no contention that he did it. No one else would have even bothered going to trial - they would have plead out, with every bit of the crime on the record.

Were it revenge, is friend wouldn't have gotten the same sentence.


Armed robbery - a serious crime. Luring the guys to the hotel room, getting the thugs, directing the robbery itself - this is a serious thing. Anyone else would have been in nearly the same situation - and they'd have plead.



The crime happened because he "got off" - and got convicted civilly, and didn't accept that verdict well - an ironic twist. To get away, to have no jail time for killing someone, even if you get a civil conviction - and then to squander your freedom trying to get back stuff you tried to hide - quite the irony.

[SailorsMom60]

I want to go to Europe on vacation...I have as good a chance of that as OJ does getting out! LOL!