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4Life

07-07-2009, 10:27 PM

Welcome
This is a memorial thread only

4Life

07-07-2009, 10:30 PM

Congresswoman Sheila Jackson-Lee (D-TX) eulogizes Michael Jackson and says that he is "innocent until proven otherwise". She also introduced Resolution 600, dedicated to the King of Pop.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VLQq_EUdVA

velvetbrown

07-07-2009, 10:31 PM

Thank you 4Life...:)

4Life

07-07-2009, 10:34 PM

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Attention - today 7/7 memorial

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legalmania

07-07-2009, 10:35 PM

For Michael:

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Now playing: Michael Jackson - Earth Song (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/michael_jackson/track/earth_song)
via FoxyTunes (http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/)

disneyfreak

07-07-2009, 10:35 PM

I was pleasantly surprised at how well the entire memorial went. I'm glad Michael Jackson's fans finally gained some of the closure they need.

4Life

07-07-2009, 10:35 PM

What the heck is Resolution 600:confused:

Again, MEMORIAL THREAD ONLY!!!!!

FallenAngel♥

07-07-2009, 10:35 PM

Is anyone watching the Barbara Walters special?

GentleBreeze

07-07-2009, 10:35 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7zmxU3P-80

Jennifer Hudson

Will You Be There:rose:

LLaFren

07-07-2009, 10:35 PM

Welcome
This is a memorial thread only

Bringing this over:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT-H5eSQ-1U

prayers to his children!

4Life

07-07-2009, 10:36 PM

I was pleasantly surprised at how well the entire memorial went. I'm glad Michael Jackson's fans finally gained some of the closure they need.

I think it went very well and people/fans showed alot of respect

sunstar

07-07-2009, 10:36 PM

Is anyone watching the Barbara Walters special?

No ~ thanks for the heads up! :smile:

4Life

07-07-2009, 10:37 PM

Is anyone watching the Barbara Walters special?

What station?

Daffny

07-07-2009, 10:38 PM

You know, I just watched John Meyer on LKL, and I think he was very honest, sincere and modest. I too was like, WHY him? (He can have quite an ego and self-serving womanizer) but I really liked his interview tonight. Why him, for such a legend? But he did represent the generation that wasn't there for the start, but the generation that can recognize the genius and talent. He also said he avoided twitter out of respect.. and he's totally earned mine tonight.

4Life

07-07-2009, 10:38 PM

FYI, I posted entire highlights on the link thread from the todays Memorial.

Tokyo Rose

07-07-2009, 10:38 PM

Is anyone watching the Barbara Walters special?

Where is it? I must have missed it. I'm on Mountain Time.

legalmania

07-07-2009, 10:38 PM

ScoobyDoo

07-07-2009, 10:38 PM

I was pleasantly surprised at how well the entire memorial went. I'm glad Michael Jackson's fans finally gained some of the closure they need.

And no incidents outside either. Thats a rare day in LA to have a big event without violence and mayhem. I am proud to live here today knowing that Michael Jackson finally was given the respect he earned and deserved.

disneyfreak

07-07-2009, 10:38 PM

What the heck is Resolution 600:confused:

Here is the text:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.RES.600:

Honoring an American legend and musical icon. (Introduced in House)

HRES 600 IH1S

111th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. RES. 600

Honoring an American legend and musical icon.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

June 26, 2009

Ms. JACKSON-LEE of Texas (for herself and Ms. WATSON) submitted the following resolution; which was referred to the Committee on Foreign Affairs

RESOLUTION

Honoring an American legend and musical icon.

Whereas Michael Jackson was not only an accomplished recording and performing artist, he was a noted humanitarian;

Whereas Michael Jackson began his stellar recording career as the featured member of `The Jackson 5', which was the first act in recorded history to have their first four major label singles `I Want You Back',`ABC',`The Love You Save', and `I'll Be There', reached the top of the American charts;

Whereas the internationally recognized `Thriller' released in 1982, which became a smash hit yielded seven top-10 singles. The album sold 21 million copies in the United States and at least 27 million worldwide. It was a monumental moment in music history;

Whereas Michael Jackson was labeled `The King of Pop', Jackson's music is internationally recognized and critically acclaimed;

Whereas Michael Jackson was one of the few artists to have been inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame twice;

Whereas in the early 1980s, Michael Jackson became a dominant figure in popular music and the first African-American entertainer to amass a strong crossover following on MTV. The popularity of his music videos airing on MTV, such as `Beat It', `Billie Jean' and `Thriller'--widely credited with transforming the music video from a promotional tool into an art form--helped bring the relatively new channel to fame;

Whereas, on January 10, 1984, Michael Jackson visited the unit for burn victims at Brotman-Memorial Hospital in Los Angeles, and demonstrated his concern with people suffering from grievous injuries;

Whereas, on April 9, 1984, David Smithee, a 14-year-old boy suffering from cystic fibroses was invited to Michael's home, in response to a dying request to meet Michael. David passed away 7 weeks later;

Whereas, on April 14, 1984, Michael Jackson was single handedly responsible for equipping a 19-bed-unit at Mount Sinai New York Medical Center. This center is now a critical part of the T.J. Martell Foundation for leukemia and cancer research;

Whereas, on July 5, 1984, during the Jackson's press conference at Tavern On The Green, Michael announced that his portion of the earnings from the Victory Tour would be donated to three charitable organizations: The United Negro College Fund, Camp Good Times, and the T.J. Martell Foundation;

Whereas, on July 14, 1984, after the first concert of the Victory Tour, Michael met 8 terminally ill children backstage;

con't....

4Life

07-07-2009, 10:39 PM

disneyfreak

07-07-2009, 10:39 PM

Whereas, on December 13, 1984, Michael visited the Brotman Memorial Hospital, where he had been treated when he was burned during the producing of a Pepsi commercial. He subsequently donated all the money he received from Pepsi, $1.5 million, to the Michael Jackson Burn Center for Children;

Whereas, on January 28, 1985 Michael and 44 other artists met to record `We Are The World', written by Michael and Lionel Ritchie, a project devoted to fighting global hunger. The proceeds of this record were donated to the starving people in Africa;

Whereas in 1986, Michael set up the `Michael Jackson UNCF Endowed Scholarship Fund'. This $1.5 million fund is aimed toward assisting students majoring in performance art and communications, with money given each year to students attending a UNCF member college or university;

Whereas, on February 28, 1986, after having had a heart-transplant, 14-year-old Donna Ashlock from California received a call from Michael Jackson. He had heard that she was a fan. Michael invited Donna to his home following her recovery;

Whereas, on September 13, 1987, Michael supported a campaign against racism. He made every effort to publicly support NAACP, in the fight against discrimination of African-American artists;

Whereas in October 1987, at the end of his `Bad Tour', Michael donated personal items to UNESCO for a charitable auction. The proceeds of his donation were allocated for the education of children in developing countries;

Whereas, on February 1, 1988 The Song `Man In the Mirror' entered the charts. The proceeds from the sales of this record went directly and exclusively to Camp Ronald McDonald for Good Times, a camp for children who suffer from Cancer;

Whereas, on March 1, 1988, at a press conference held by his sponsor Pepsi, Michael presented a $600,000 check to the United Negro College Fund;

Whereas on April 1988, Michael Jackson ensured that free tickets to three concerts in Atlanta, Georgia, were specifically set aside for the Make a Wish Foundation;

Whereas, on May 22, 1988, Michael visited cancer-stricken children in the Bambini-Gesu Children's Hospital in Rome. He signed autographs and gave away sweets and records to the young patients. He also announced his monetary donation of 100,000 pounds to the hospital;

Whereas, on July 16, 1988, Michael met the Prince of Wales and his wife Diana, where he donated 150,000 pounds for the Prince's Trust, and a check of 100,000 pounds for the children's hospital at Great Ormond Street;

Whereas, on July 20, 1988, Michael visited terminally ill children at Great Ormond Street Hospital. At a unit for less critical patients he stayed longer and to engage in story telling time with the children;

Whereas, on August 29, 1988, at his 30th birthday Michael performed a concert in Leeds, England, for the English charity organization `Give For Life', an organization designed as an immunization charity for children. Michael presented a check for 65,000 pounds;

Whereas on January 1989, the proceeds of one of Michael's shows in Los Angeles were donated to Childhelp USA, the biggest charity organization against child abuse. In appreciation of the contributions of Michael, Childhelp of Southern California founded the `Michael Jackson International Institute for Research On Child Abuse';

Whereas, on January 10, 1989, upon the winding down of his `Bad Tour', Michael Jackson donated tickets for each concert to underprivileged children, and made contributions to hospitals, orphanages and charity organizations throughout each stop on his tour;

Whereas, on February 7, 1989, Michael visited the Cleveland Elementary School in Stockton, California, a site of playground violence where 5 children had been tragically killed and 39 had been wounded;

Whereas, on March 5, 1989, Michael invited 200 underprivileged children of the St. Vincent Institute for Handicapped Children and of the organization Big Brothers and Big Sisters to the Circus Vargas in Santa Barbara. Following the event, the children were invited to his ranch to visit his private Zoo at Neverland Ranch;

Whereas in December 1991, Michael's office MJJ Productions donated more than 200 turkey dinners to needy families in Los Angeles;

Whereas in February 1992, within 11 days Michael covered 30,000 miles in Africa, to visit hospitals, orphanages, schools, churches, and institutions for mentally handicapped children;

Whereas, on February 3, 1992, at a press conference at the New York Radio City Music Hall, Michael announced that he is planning a new world tour, to raise funds for his new `Heal The World' Foundation. This Foundation was designed to support the fight against AIDS, Juvenile Diabetes, the Ronald McDonald Camp, and the Make A Wish Foundation;

Whereas, on May 6, 1992, Michael defrayed the funeral expenses for Ramon Sanchez, who was killed during the Los Angeles riots;

Whereas, on June 26, 1992, Michael presented the Mayor of Munich, Mr. Kronawitter, with a 40,000 DM check for the needy people of the city;

Whereas on July 1992, Michael donated 821,477,296 Lire to La Partita del Cuore (The Heart Match) in Rome and donated 120,000 DM to children's charities in Estonia and Latvia;

Whereas, on July 25, 1992, at his concert in Dublin, Ireland, Michael announced that he will give 400,000 pounds of the tour earnings to various charities;

Whereas in June 1993, Michael announced a donation of $1.25 million for children suffering as a result of the riots in Los Angeles;

Whereas on October 1993, Michael Jackson donated $100,000 to the Children's Defense Fund, the Children's Diabetes Foundation, the Atlanta Project, and the Boys and Girl Clubs of Newark, New Jersey;

Whereas on December 1993, in conjunction with the Gorbachev Foundation, Michael Jackson airlifted 60,000 doses of children's vaccines to Tblisi, Georgia;

Whereas in 1994, Michael donated $500,000 to Elizabeth Taylor's AIDS Foundation;

Whereas, on October 1, 1996, Michael donated the proceeds of his Tunisia concert to `The National Solidarity Fund', a charity dedicated to fighting poverty;

Whereas, on December 9, 1996, during the `History Tour' visit in Manila, Michael visited a Children's Hospital, where he announced that a portion of his concert earnings will be donated to the renovation of the Hospital;

Whereas the Millennium Issue of the `Guinness Book Of Records' named Michael as `the Pop Star who supports the most charity organizations';

Whereas in 2004, The African Ambassadors' Spouses Association, honored Michael Jackson for his worldwide humanitarian efforts, due to his fiscal contribution of more than $50 million to various charities, including many organizations that feed the hungry in Africa; and

Whereas we today mourn with and send our condolences to the children that Michael Jackson left behind: Prince Michael, Paris Michael, and Prince Michael II and his mother, father, brothers, and sisters: Now, therefore, be it

Resolved, That the House of Representatives--

(1) recognizes Michael Jackson as a global humanitarian and a noted leader in the fight against worldwide hunger and medical crises; and

(2) celebrates Michael Jackson as an accomplished contributor to the worlds of arts and entertainment, scientific advances in the treatment of HIV/AIDS, and global food security.

this is res. 600

legalmania

07-07-2009, 10:39 PM

Is anyone watching the Barbara Walters special?

Yes, Stevie Wonder had her almost crying.

*Serenity*

07-07-2009, 10:40 PM

4Life

07-07-2009, 10:40 PM

And no incidents outside either. Thats a rare day in LA to have a big event without violence and mayhem. I am proud to live here today knowing that Michael Jackson finally was given the respect he earned and deserved.

And that is what MJ wanted. People to be together without violence

who_is_it

07-07-2009, 10:43 PM

Daffny

07-07-2009, 10:44 PM

And that is what MJ wanted. People to be together without violence

I know, this day was absolutely amazing, and so ironic....only in his death, does he get his ultimate wish: love around the world. If only he could have lived to see this, but somewhere, he's feeling it. He has too, the impact he's made on this planet is too much to ignore. Even for the haters, somewhere inside, they MUST be moved, even just a little.

Tokyo Rose

07-07-2009, 10:44 PM

I still think Al Sharpton was a little over the top. I don't believe MJ opened the way for Obama to be president. President Obama did that all on his own. jmo

4Life

07-07-2009, 10:46 PM

MTV News Break

Usher,Whitney Houston, Justin Timberlake, Madonna and others in talks to plan a Concert for MJ

legalmania

07-07-2009, 10:46 PM

Michael is undoubtedly perched on a crescent moon. Brook Shields.

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Now playing: Michael Jackson - Gone Too Soon (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/michael_jackson/track/gone_too_soon)
via FoxyTunes (http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/)

FallenAngel♥

07-07-2009, 10:46 PM

Yes, Stevie Wonder had her almost crying.

I loved it when he said "she's trying to get a personal concert here " LOL

4Life

07-07-2009, 10:47 PM

I know, this day was absolutely amazing, and so ironic....only in his death, does he get his ultimate wish: love around the world. If only he could have lived to see this, but somewhere, he's feeling it. He has too, the impact he's made on this planet is too much to ignore. Even for the haters, somewhere inside, they MUST be moved, even just a little.I noticed a few on line today that actually showed respect and were moved

Tokyo Rose

07-07-2009, 10:48 PM

Smoky Robinson has the most beautiful blue eyes!

legalmania

07-07-2009, 10:49 PM

I loved it when he said "she's trying to get a personal concert here " LOL

Michael was surround by so much love and talent today.

sunstar

07-07-2009, 10:51 PM

If anyone missed the service or wants to see it again in it's entirety, as it happened ~ :smile:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/31782901#31782901

Tokyo Rose

07-07-2009, 10:51 PM

It starts at 9pm on the westcoast.

Thanks, I'll try to catch it. I can't stand Al Sharpton.

legalmania

07-07-2009, 10:51 PM

this is res. 600

Michael has given more to charities that any other celebrity.

RootBeer

07-07-2009, 10:54 PM

http://www.seattlepi.com/tvguide/407914_tvgif7.html

my fav:

3. Come Together: Harkening back to Jackson's video for "Heal the World," which features children suffering from unrest, groups of children came together on stage to perform the tune and to honor, as Kobe Bryant pointed out, the entertainer who holds the most charities supported by a pop star record in the Guinness Book of World Records.

ScoobyDoo

07-07-2009, 10:54 PM

Michael has given more to charities that any other celebrity.

And will continue to do so long after his death.

GentleBreeze

07-07-2009, 10:55 PM

I tried to reply to you and discovered thread was closed.

I am right there with you about never forgetting this Memorial.
It still digs deep --and brings the reality of Michael being gone when
you see his casket in the spotlight. :(

His family held on to each other today, and embraced each other for love and support. Katherine has to have a huge empty hole in heart and soul with losing Michael. I can't imagine ever walking in that woman's shoes. She was right there next to Michael's precious children, and I am so glad they have her and the family.

This Memorial turned out to be the total opposite of what the media was trying to paint for the public. :) AND with no incidents reported, it just goes to show how the MEDIA was WRONG again....!! love it...

Oh yes, I made a comment about that earlier. Shep Smith had already made his predictions that came back to shoot him in the foot. Jeanie Most did a clip on Shep tonight! It was hilarious how she busted him out. lol

Since I wouldn't believe a thing the media has to say, unless I saw this memorial unfold for myself, which I was blessed to see but I am beginning to think we have long been hoodwinked for years by what we were told to believe.... not what was. I think the media spin that there is a rift between the Jackson family members is another bunch of BS that has been spoon fed to the public. This family seemed genuinely very close. I watched their mannerism and they seemed very familiar and their touch was as if they were use to comforting the other one. I am sure like all families they may have their disagreements but I think they are tightly bonded to each other. Not so sure about Joe though.

It was a glorious day. Paris stepped up and said what I know she has wanted to scream at the top of her lungs for years. Yep, today was a very good day. Michael would have been proud. Today she told the world.

imo

FallenAngel♥

07-07-2009, 10:55 PM

ABC is about to show a Debbie Rowe special :rolleyes: I'm not even sure i want to hear her crabbyola today

Tokyo Rose

07-07-2009, 10:55 PM

I think Blanket looks Native American. jmo

legalmania

07-07-2009, 10:57 PM

4Life

07-07-2009, 10:57 PM

10pm tonight NBC
All new Dateline:A Farewell to Michael Jackson

*Serenity*

07-07-2009, 11:00 PM

I think I'm dehydrated from crying, I don't feel good, so let me leave everybody with the number one hit of all time enjoy.

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Now playing: Michael Jackson - Thriller (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/michael_jackson/track/thriller)
via FoxyTunes (http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/)

Feel better soon legal... drink a few glasses of water and a few tylenol or motrin. Relax and know that Michael is in better hands, and as his brother said: maybe now everyone will leave him alone.

Have a blessed evening.

4Life

07-07-2009, 11:01 PM

Michael did say that he did not know who Blankets "mother" was. He did not know her race because it did not matter to him. All he said that mattered was that she would be healthy and intelligent

sunstar

07-07-2009, 11:01 PM

who_is_it

07-07-2009, 11:01 PM

<snipped>

This Memorial turned out to be the total opposite of what the media was trying to paint for the public. :) AND with no incidents reported, it just goes to show how the MEDIA was WRONG again....!! love it...

Nevertheless I'm still extremly sad that Michael couldn't feel anymore the love of an audience during his life time -- even if only once again. Over years he was beaten up by the media and would have deserved a healing more than anybody else.

Some media "behaved well" after his death, some even changed their inappropriate line: The trashy "Mirror", for example, dished the worst dirt stories right after his death... but one day later suddenly titled: "Sneddon: Michael Jackson's 'sworn enemy' (...) tells of sadness at his death". In the article still some jibes at MJ -- hidden bitterness that they can't dish the dirt on MJ in this tragic moment. I bet many readers had complained. Their love was stronger.

disneyfreak

07-07-2009, 11:01 PM

Disneyfreak,

Thank you for posting all of that.

It really lays it all out there in the reality of just what a wonderful, generous, loving spirited person Michael Jackson was. :wub:

Anytime. Today is his day :rose:

ahlou3

07-07-2009, 11:01 PM

SKARDYKAT

07-07-2009, 11:02 PM

Gosh, I was there watching his first appearance on TV and now his last
(practicing for the tour). Proud to have witnessed his genius and at the same time, so sad an early ending.

Tokyo Rose

07-07-2009, 11:03 PM

ABC is about to show a Debbie Rowe special :rolleyes: I'm not even sure i want to hear her crabbyola today

I don't see that anywhere. What time is it there?

*Serenity*

07-07-2009, 11:05 PM

What happened to the twin brother Brandon?
Did he pass away at birth or later on? Today was the first
time I heard about a deceased sibling/twin.

TIA

GentleBreeze

07-07-2009, 11:05 PM

4Life

07-07-2009, 11:06 PM

What happened to the twin brother Brandon?
Did he pass away at birth or later on? Today was the first
time I heard about a deceased sibling/twin.

TIA

Died at birth

FallenAngel♥

07-07-2009, 11:06 PM

I don't see that anywhere. What time is it there?

9pm here and it's on ABC

4Life

07-07-2009, 11:07 PM

Michael never saw one color over another. He saw colors of a rainbow.

He loved them with every ounce of his being and they knew it.

imoI remember he said his dream was to adopt 2 children(boy and girl) from every country

grammie/va

07-07-2009, 11:08 PM

Has anyone been able to come up with the words to the poem by Maya Angelou? I would like to havea copy of them

Tokyo Rose

07-07-2009, 11:09 PM

9pm here and it's on ABC

Is it taking the place of another show? It's 7 pm here. I'm having trouble adjusting to new numbers for tv channels and new times.

*Serenity*

07-07-2009, 11:09 PM

Michael did say that he did not know who Blankets "mother" was. He did not know her race because it did not matter to him. All he said that mattered was that she would be healthy and intelligent

Blanket is absoutely adorable! All three of them are beautiful, but there is just something about Blanket that reaches and grabs my heart.
Maybe because he is the youngest so to speak, and he looks so lost in today's photos carrying his Daddy Doll.

Michael didn't care about the race of his children, or any children.
I watched one interview where he was hoping to adopt other children from around the globe.

*Serenity*

07-07-2009, 11:10 PM

Died at birth

Awwww..... thank you 4life.

GentleBreeze

07-07-2009, 11:11 PM

ABC is about to show a Debbie Rowe special :rolleyes: I'm not even sure i want to hear her crabbyola today

I will not spoil the day by watching that wretched woman.

But thanks for telling us.

imo

4Life

07-07-2009, 11:11 PM

Has anyone been able to come up with the words to the poem by Maya Angelou? I would like to havea copy of them

Beloveds, now we know that we know nothing,
now that our bright and shining star can slip away from our fingertips like a puff of summer wind.

Without notice, our dear love can escape our doting embrace.

Sing our songs among the stars
and walk our dances across the face of the moon.

In the instant that Michael is gone, we know nothing.

No clocks can tell time.

No oceans can rush our tides with the abrupt absence of our treasure.

Though we are many, each of us is achingly alone, piercingly alone.

Only when we confess our confusion can we remember that he was a gift to us
and we did have him.

He came to us from the creator, trailing creativity in abundance.

Despite the anguish, his life was sheathed in mother love, family love,
and survived and did more than that.

He thrived with passion and compassion, humor and style.

We had him whether we know who he was or did not know, he was ours and we were his.

We had him, beautiful, delighting our eyes.

His hat, aslant over his brow, and took a pose on his toes for all of us.

And we laughed and stomped our feet for him.

We were enchanted with his passion because he held nothing.

He gave us all he had been given.

Today in Tokyo, beneath the Eiffel Tower, in Ghana’s Black Star Square.

In Johannesburg and Pittsburgh, in Birmingham, Alabama, and Birmingham, England
We are missing Michael.

But we do know we had him, and we are the world.

http://starcasm.net/archives/7561

FallenAngel♥

07-07-2009, 11:12 PM

Is it taking the place of another show? It's 7 pm here. I'm having trouble adjusting to new numbers for tv channels and new times.

yep it's taking the place of something else
the show is called Primetime: family secrets.

grammie/va

07-07-2009, 11:14 PM

Thanks 4Life, I appreciate it so much.

4Life

07-07-2009, 11:15 PM

Thanks 4Life, I appreciate it so much.

NP, :wink:

Tokyo Rose

07-07-2009, 11:16 PM

yep it's taking the place of something else
the show is called Primetime: family secrets.

OK great. It will be on here in two hours. Wow, I sure would like to get the hang of this stuff. I came from Eastern Time. Also all the channels changed on Dish. I'm pulling my hair out. I want to see what she has to say.

4Life

07-07-2009, 11:17 PM

I thought Mariah sounded good today singing, she seemed choked up and maybe sick. MTV said she flew in from Paris for this and has a summer cold

FallenAngel♥

07-07-2009, 11:17 PM

Was Grace fired? if so does anyone know why she was fired?

incidentally

07-07-2009, 11:17 PM

Again, MEMORIAL THREAD ONLY!!!!!

Rep. Sheila Jackson-Lee was amazing. With dignity, grace and conviction she touched on so many truths and personal experiences with MJ.

She brought up Res. 600, a great honor.

What better way to memorialize MJ?

FallenAngel♥

07-07-2009, 11:18 PM

mj had a twin brother?

NO Marlon did

4Life

07-07-2009, 11:19 PM

Rep. Sheila Jackson-Lee was amazing. With dignity, grace and conviction she touched on so many truths and personal experiences with MJ.

She brought up Res. 600, a great honor.

What better way to memorialize MJ?

Hi Tally
Moving event today huh?

FallenAngel♥

07-07-2009, 11:19 PM

I thought Mariah sounded good today singing, she seemed choked up and maybe sick. MTV said she flew in from Paris for this and has a summer cold

yeah i think it was a combo of a bad cold and emotions. because she was on tv by phone yesterday and she sounded ill then.

*Serenity*

07-07-2009, 11:20 PM

Was Grace fired? if so does anyone know why she was fired?

IIRC Tohme fired her and he also fired quite a few other employees when he stepped in to start helping Michael reorganize finances, and saving Neverland from foreclosure.

I din't see Grace today, maybe she was there, but I didn't see her.

:shrug:

FallenAngel♥

07-07-2009, 11:20 PM

Per TMZ

A helicopter landed at Neverland Ranch just a short while ago -- and another just hovered -- but Michael Jackson's body wasn't in either of them.

disneyfreak

07-07-2009, 11:21 PM

IIRC Tohme fired her and he also fired quite a few other employees when he stepped in to start helping Michael reorganize finances, and saving Neverland from foreclosure.

I din't see Grace today, maybe she was there, but I didn't see her.

:shrug:

Of all people to let go, those kids need her now. She needs to come back. IMO

who_is_it

07-07-2009, 11:21 PM

"Bashir's telly film to be re-screened"

A segment featuring an interview in which Gavin Arvizo, then aged 12, spoke about his friendship with Jackson will be left out. Claims by the boy led to molestation charges against the star, though he was acquitted.

ITV said: "There is an enormous interest about Michael Jackson following his untimely death.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/michael_jackson/2512440/Martin-Bashirs-telly-film-Living-With-Michael-Jackson-to-be-re-screened.html

Some of you at the board posted that you've watched it now on tv. Was it REALLY an edited version? -- I would appreciate so much!!!

4Life

07-07-2009, 11:22 PM

I was just watching Date line and they showed the end of the memorial where they all sang, MJ drummer was in tears singing

4Life

07-07-2009, 11:23 PM

Per TMZ

A helicopter landed at Neverland Ranch just a short while ago -- and another just hovered -- but Michael Jackson's body wasn't in either of them.

I told you TMZ was going to be looking

disneyfreak

07-07-2009, 11:24 PM

Per TMZ

A helicopter landed at Neverland Ranch just a short while ago -- and another just hovered -- but Michael Jackson's body wasn't in either of them.

Yeah, I thought I heard it fly over from where I am which is quite a bit away (30 miles or so the way the crow flies). I figured it was media, and it seems that I was right.

incidentally

07-07-2009, 11:25 PM

Hi Tally
Moving event today huh?

Yes it was, 4Life. As I have said before, I never realized how much MJ touched my life, how I could measure milestones in my life by his music.

It's been an eye opener.

disneyfreak

07-07-2009, 11:26 PM

"Bashir's telly film to be re-screened"

A segment featuring an interview in which GXXXX XXXXX, then aged 12, spoke about his friendship with Jackson will be left out. Claims by the boy led to molestation charges against the star, though he was acquitted.

ITV said: "There is an enormous interest about Michael Jackson following his untimely death.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/michael_jackson/2512440/Martin-Bashirs-telly-film-Living-With-Michael-Jackson-to-be-re-screened.html

Some of you at the board posted that you've watched it now on tv. Was it REALLY an edited version? -- I would appreciate so much!!!

In America, they simply showed the version with the boy's face blurred.

4Life

07-07-2009, 11:26 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHDARcJJbSw

Very fitting for today imo

4Life

07-07-2009, 11:28 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qa8yRuGfD_w

FallenAngel♥

07-07-2009, 11:29 PM

IIRC Tohme fired her and he also fired quite a few other employees when he stepped in to start helping Michael reorganize finances, and saving Neverland from foreclosure.

I din't see Grace today, maybe she was there, but I didn't see her.

:shrug:

I hope Grace continues to be in the childrens lives.

who_is_it

07-07-2009, 11:29 PM

Jackson's kids emerge from behind the veil

copyright AP, can't post it here
You must read the last sentences. One couldn't use better words to describe Paris' message. THE MESSAGE ABOUT HER MESSAGE!!!

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iRLxnuYW_lByr3ywIDDg1ROUX_egD999VFVO0

Mamie

07-07-2009, 11:34 PM

Oh yes, I made a comment about that earlier. Shep Smith had already made his predictions that came back to shoot him in the foot. Jeanie Most did a clip on Shep tonight! It was hilarious how she busted him out. lol

Since I wouldn't believe a thing the media has to say, unless I saw this memorial unfold for myself, which I was blessed to see but I am beginning to think we have long been hoodwinked for years by what we were told to believe.... not what was. I think the media spin that there is a rift between the Jackson family members is another bunch of BS that has been spoon fed to the public. This family seemed genuinely very close. I watched their mannerism and they seemed very familiar and their touch was as if they were use to comforting the other one. I am sure like all families they may have their disagreements but I think they are tightly bonded to each other. Not so sure about Joe though.

It was a glorious day. Paris stepped up and said what I know she has wanted to scream at the top of her lungs for years. Yep, today was a very good day. Michael would have been proud. Today she told the world.

imo

I'm glad you're still here, I liked what you said on the other thread and tried to respond but I'm trying to catch up with everything I taped today from the memorials and the thread was closed when I tried.

I've got a lump in my throat reading the posts as to how wonderful everything went for him and for his honor today. His children are beautiful, each and every one. When I signed on to the internet at work today they had a picture of Paris at the mic and then she went into Janet's arms-----bless her little heart.

Who's Jeanie Post and can I see that---does it air again tonight? I was kind of miffed at Shep myself today, listening to him.

Thank you everyone for all the wonderful things you have/had to say about Michael on this day and all days.

JMO

*Serenity*

07-07-2009, 11:35 PM

I hope Grace continues to be in the childrens lives.

I'm on the fence about Grace, and won't go into detail as to why, at least not today on the Memorial thread.

Ice Cycle

07-07-2009, 11:36 PM

I read somewhere that Macaulay Culkin was godfather to at least 2 of Michael's children, does anyone know if he was at the Memorial?

4Life

07-07-2009, 11:36 PM

The lady singing today, We are the World/ Heal the World, was Miss Indiana, Kellee Patterson a friend of MJs

FallenAngel♥

07-07-2009, 11:37 PM

I'm on the fence about Grace, and won't go into detail as to why, at least not today on the Memorial thread.

or you could just pm me and tell me :wub:

sunstar

07-07-2009, 11:37 PM

I thought Mariah sounded good today singing, she seemed choked up and maybe sick. MTV said she flew in from Paris for this and has a summer cold

I'm watching the entire memorial service online and just heard her. I didn't know she wasn't feeling well ~ she sure did a wonderful job of one of my favorite songs. :smile:

sunstar

07-07-2009, 11:39 PM

I told you TMZ was going to be looking

We can sure count on them for the latest!

RootBeer

07-07-2009, 11:39 PM

I love Jermaine's hair, so perfect. :wink:

drip~drop1

07-07-2009, 11:40 PM

I was pleasantly surprised at how well the entire memorial went. I'm glad Michael Jackson's fans finally gained some of the closure they need.

I was pleased to see everything was so orderly and respectful.
The day of one's Memorial should be kept peaceful and the old saying should apply.
"If you can't say anything nice, try to say nothing at all"
This was a day for his family,friends and fans.

I was tuned in, didn't watch all 3 hours tho, the chores still needed doing. The most important part to me tho, was Paris speaking. That broke my heart. When she turned to Janet, it was so natural and loving.
Oh those poor kids....:crying: yeah, they'll have money but a daddy is more important.

oh and please don't get angry....What is "Blankets" real name? I can't imagine him being called "blanket" forever. (is it Prince Michael Jackson just like his big brother?:confused: )~Peace~

4Life

07-07-2009, 11:41 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmL5xlqcY1U

drip~drop1

07-07-2009, 11:43 PM

Again, MEMORIAL THREAD ONLY!!!!!

4life..you brought that up? I apologize if I'm wrong.
But I am curious what it means.
Maybe have a thread about it?

4Life

07-07-2009, 11:44 PM

I was pleased to see everything was so orderly and respectful.
The day of one's Memorial should be kept peaceful and the old saying should apply.
"If you can't say anything nice, try to say nothing at all"
This was a day for his family,friends and fans.

I was tuned in, didn't watch all 3 hours tho, the chores still needed doing. The most important part to me tho, was Paris speaking. That broke my heart. When she turned to Janet, it was so natural and loving.
Oh those poor kids....:crying: yeah, they'll have money but a daddy is more important.

oh and please don't get angry....What is "Blankets" real name? I can't imagine him being called "blanket" forever. (is it Prince Michael Jackson just like his big brother?:confused: )~Peace~
Prince Michael II

4Life

07-07-2009, 11:45 PM

4life..you brought that up? I apologize if I'm wrong.
But I am curious what it means.
Maybe have a thread about it?

It was an accident. I didn't mean to hit quote

GentleBreeze

07-07-2009, 11:46 PM

I'm glad you're still here, I liked what you said on the other thread and tried to respond but I'm trying to catch up with everything I taped today from the memorials and the thread was closed when I tried.

I've got a lump in my throat reading the posts as to how wonderful everything went for him and for his honor today. His children are beautiful, each and every one. When I signed on to the internet at work today they had a picture of Paris at the mic and then she went into Janet's arms-----bless her little heart.

Who's Jeanie Post and can I see that---does it air again tonight? I was kind of miffed at Shep myself today, listening to him.

Thank you everyone for all the wonderful things you have/had to say about Michael on this day and all days.

JMO

Jeanie Most sp? is on CNN and does short clips that are usually humorous. They do re-air them but I am not sure how often and she does one everyday, I think. Sorry that I am not much help Mamie.

Yeah, Shep was ranting how it was all going to go down and man he was way wrong. lol

The memorial was absolutely beautiful and done in such good taste. As I said today in the packed Center love was wall to wall.

I agree three beautiful children and Greta just had the nurse on that came to MJs house this year and she talked about how normal and social these children were and how MJ was the most humble man she had ever seen who loved to give hugs. She said he taught the children to be appreciative of what they had.

imo

sunstar

07-07-2009, 11:47 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmL5xlqcY1U

Absolutely beautiful!

:rose: Rest in Peace, Michael :rose:

fairlaw

07-07-2009, 11:47 PM

Who knew a 62 year old grandma, who really knew nothing about MJ, except that I 100% believed him innocent, could cry for 12 hours straight watching the coverage and the realization of what a brilliant artist MJ was and what a truely tormented life he lived.

I thought I knew, and on the 25th when the news came that he had died, the first thing I said was," Maybe now they will leave him alone."
NO such luck. They will never stop tormenting him.

And I'm really mad at him and Anna Nichole and Heath for dying far too soon.

I am changing my life as of today. I won't go into details, but it is going to be a different life from now on, because of the tragic death of this beautiful man.

Damn, I bet he really hates leaving his children.

I sincerely hope that this post doesn't violate anything. It is heartfelt.

who_is_it

07-07-2009, 11:50 PM

I read somewhere that Macaulay Culkin was godfather to at least 2 of Michael's children, does anyone know if he was at the Memorial?

Mark Lester was the Godfather.

4Life

07-07-2009, 11:50 PM

MoonHarvest

07-07-2009, 11:52 PM

FYI, Blanket's race is human, just like the rest of us.

GentleBreeze

07-07-2009, 11:52 PM

I love Jermaine's hair, so perfect. :wink:

Jermaine has always been such a sweet and gracious man.

He did a masterful job. MJ would have been proud of him.

imo

4Life

07-07-2009, 11:53 PM

Mark Lester was the Godfather.

Macaulay Culkin is the godfather to MJs daughter and older son
I thought I saw him entering the arena today

drip~drop1

07-07-2009, 11:53 PM

It was an accident. I didn't mean to hit quote

Oh, ok...yeah, oopsies happen. Maybe you can still edit it out?
sorry 'bout that.

GentleBreeze

07-07-2009, 11:54 PM

FYI, Blanket's race is human, just like the rest of us.

Blanket is a good looking little boy.

imo

4Life

07-07-2009, 11:55 PM

Oh, ok...yeah, oopsies happen. Maybe you can still edit it out?
sorry 'bout that. Tried but too late

MoonHarvest

07-07-2009, 11:55 PM

Blanket is a good looking little boy.

imo

He sure is. So is his big brother.

Mr. Moto2

07-07-2009, 11:55 PM

Was that Janet Jackson who was on stage with Paris? I only saw a brief vid on Youtube.

drip~drop1

07-07-2009, 11:57 PM

If anyone missed the service or wants to see it again in it's entirety, as it happened ~ :smile:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/31782901#31782901

Thanks sunstar.
I was back and forth to the tv. Sick hubby and stuff to harvest in the gardens.
Very nice Service I must say. (what i saw)

4Life

07-07-2009, 11:58 PM

I think if he had been there, the media would have caught it.
I can't find anything on him later than 2006 other than an article that says his sister was hit by a car and killed earlier this year.

According to this he considers him a friend but one that he only talks to once a year?

"There’s no Michael Jackson references at all, so get that out of your head right now.”

That’s easier said than done, given that it was less than a year ago that Culkin testified for the defense during the pop star’s molestation trial. “You know, I didn’t want to get involved with the whole thing,” he says. “It was a big, fat mess. I almost wanted to say to him, ‘You should have known better, just to even have those kind of people in your life.’ ” He thinks for a moment and continues. “I don’t know how it happened, but somehow I’ve become the resident Michael Jackson expert. We’re close, he’s a good friend of mine, we definitely have a connection that most people don’t have, but he’s a friend that I talk to once a year."

http://nymag.com/arts/books/reviews/16211/index1.html

Besides being godfather to Michael Jackson's first child Prince Michael Jackson I, Macaulay is also godfather to Jackson's daughter Paris Jackson.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000346/bio

4Life

07-07-2009, 11:59 PM

Was that Janet Jackson who was on stage with Paris? I only saw a brief vid on Youtube.Yes and the one with the big hat behind her was Latoya

GentleBreeze

07-07-2009, 11:59 PM

He sure is. So is his big brother.

All three are very pretty children to me.

imo

Unperson1984

07-08-2009, 12:01 AM

I was somewhat surprised to see Louis Farrakhan at the memorial.

Mamie

07-08-2009, 12:01 AM

Jeanie Most sp? is on CNN and does short clips that are usually humorous. They do re-air them but I am not sure how often and she does one everyday, I think. Sorry that I am not much help Mamie.

Yeah, Shep was ranting how it was all going to go down and man he was way wrong. lol

The memorial was absolutely beautiful and done in such good taste. As I said today in the packed Center love was wall to wall.

I agree three beautiful children and Greta just had the nurse on that came to MJs house this year and she talked about how normal and social these children were and how MJ was the most humble man she had ever seen who loved to give hugs. She said he taught the children to be appreciative of what they had.

imo

Thanks dear. I'll take a look at CNN site and see if I can find her to see when she's on or has a spot.

I truly pray for these kids but family is key for any kids. I don't think they would have that at all with DR. JMO

GentleBreeze

07-08-2009, 12:01 AM

Thanks sunstar.
I was back and forth to the tv. Sick hubby and stuff to harvest in the gardens.
Very nice Service I must say. (what i saw)

It was fan-tabulous! dd.

Such emotion and class shown today.

imo

fairlaw

07-08-2009, 12:02 AM

Yes, it was Janet who took Paris into her arms after Paris had spoken.
Is there really any doubt as to which family should care for these children?

I do have an unrelated question...Does anyone know who that beautiful Asian woman was who led "Heal the World?"

MoonHarvest

07-08-2009, 12:02 AM

All three are very pretty children to me.

imo

Pretty, thoughtful, well spoken, loving and loved, from what I noticed today.

4Life

07-08-2009, 12:03 AM

MoonHarvest

07-08-2009, 12:04 AM

Because she tried to help MJ get off the pills and he didn't like it. That's what has been reported

Suggestion: don't believe everything that is "reported." JMO

trucrimegal

07-08-2009, 12:05 AM

Jermaine has always been such a sweet and gracious man.

He did a masterful job. MJ would have been proud of him.

imo

I agree GB. He always has come across as a very sweet and gentle soul. I really like him.

Ice Cycle

07-08-2009, 12:08 AM

Besides being godfather to Michael Jackson's first child Prince Michael Jackson I, Macaulay is also godfather to Jackson's daughter Paris Jackson.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000346/bio

That is what I thought which is why I wondered if he was there.

fairlaw

07-08-2009, 12:09 AM

The lady singing today, We are the World/ Heal the World, was Miss Indiana, Kellee Patterson a friend of MJs

Thank You, I will look her up. She did a wonderful job.

4Life

07-08-2009, 12:09 AM

That is what I thought which is why I wondered if he was there.

I am not 100% positive but I thought I saw him walking into the arena today

4Life

07-08-2009, 12:11 AM

New Yorkers were excluded from Tuesday's Michael Jackson memorial in Los Angeles because of an obscure state law barring contests that aren't registered with the state.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/michael_jackson/2009/07/07/2009-07-07_michael_jackson_fans_from_new_york_barred_from_ registering_for_memorial_tickets.html#ixzz0KdLtV0S 1&C

I heard that on the radio today

Times Square in NY was a mad house today. They played the Memorial on a big screen in the middle of the square

Mamie

07-08-2009, 12:12 AM

I agree with you. Those kids love the Jackson family and that's where they need to stay.

I'm pretty sure the Judge will agree too.

Gosh I hope you're right---I pray with all my heart you are.

MoonHarvest

07-08-2009, 12:14 AM

Gosh I hope you're right---I pray with all my heart you are.

I think they will stay where they are. It would just be too darn traumatic for them to go and live with someone who by all indications has not been in their lives on a regular basis.

who_is_it

07-08-2009, 12:20 AM

Too tired to read the whole article... but what I've read told me it's a JEWEL: facts, facts, facts - ignored by most media...

Not to stir up the trial discussion today I posted the critical, factual counterpunch article on the links thread.

Please respect not to discuss it today... and: no discussion allowed on the links thread!

drip~drop1

07-08-2009, 12:22 AM

See, that's the difference between children and those who CALL themselves "adults".

Children are beautiful, innocent creatures from God because they don't SEE ethnicity.

YOU, however, continue on this thread AND the other thread to "categorize" these precious children.

GROW UP! You act MUCH more immature than the actual CHILDREN did today!

That was pretty harsh Sapientia.
As an adopted child (didn't even know I was) I was always questioned about my ethnicity. It did confuse me (because I was in the dark) anyway, as I got older and learned the truth, it became very important to me.
All the children may have many questions one day. Ethnicity will be a biggie.

fairlaw

07-08-2009, 12:24 AM

I am absolutely a hater of wild speculation. Just want to be really clear about that.

To me Kellee (sp?) looked far more Asian then she did
African-American, but I went to her web page and she looks totally African-American there.

When I was looking at her singing at the memorial, and I was looking at "Blanket" she sure looked like she could be the mom.

I also think it is very strange that the birth mother of Blanket hasn't ever come forwad.

Back on track, I'm still crying.

I have always really hated NG, and after today, it's even stronger. I could tolerate JVM, but ya know, there is no one more closed minded and judgemental than a former addict/alcoholic. Jane has really proved that about herself today.

OK, CNN is just reshowing Jennifer Hudson, Is she Preggers? I sure hope so. She, more than anyone, can sure understand a devestating loss.

drip~drop1

07-08-2009, 12:28 AM

I remember he said his dream was to adopt 2 children(boy and girl) from every country

2 from every Continent, he said. He loved children and his children love him. It's so hard on those poor kids.:crying:

And really, in all these years, I NEVER knew MJ was a twin and the other twin died at birth.
Do I have that correct?

MoonHarvest

07-08-2009, 12:29 AM

That was pretty harsh Sapientia.
As an adopted child (didn't even know I was) I was always questioned about my ethnicity. It did confuse me (because I was in the dark) anyway, as I got older and learned the truth, it became very important to me.
All the children may have many questions one day. Ethnicity will be a biggie.

I understand wanting to know who you are and where you came from. It's natural.

I hope by the time they question that though that the boundaries of ethnicity will have been diffused.

MoonHarvest

07-08-2009, 12:30 AM

2 from every Continent, he said. He loved children and his children love him. It's so hard on those poor kids.:crying:

And really, in all these years, I NEVER knew MJ was a twin and the other twin died at birth.
Do I have that correct?

No he was not a twin. Another brother did.

Mr. Moto2

07-08-2009, 12:32 AM

Yes and the one with the big hat behind her was Latoya

Thanks. At first it was annoying how they all kept grabbing at the mike, and Janet telling her to speak up, but it turned out nice. Sad but nice.

ScoobyDoo

07-08-2009, 12:34 AM

FYI, Blanket's race is human, just like the rest of us.

Most of us anyway.

Mamie

07-08-2009, 12:35 AM

The lawyers need to attach that 20 second snippet by Paris as an exhibit. I think the children will be assigned a legal guardian and voice their views. They are old enough to have some say. :)

Yes and I can think of another recent snippet they could attach that we all saw this week in the news.

I think that they are old enough to voice their opinions and have some valid weight given to them, too. JMO

FallenAngel♥

07-08-2009, 12:35 AM

If I have to follow the rules about not dissing MJ you have to follow the rules too about keeping this as a memorial thread not dissing the mother of MJ's children. Without her he wouldn't have those kids.

:lol: i was just letting everyone know a show was coming on.

MoonHarvest

07-08-2009, 12:35 AM

Most of us anyway.

Lol.. I understand.

drip~drop1

07-08-2009, 12:36 AM

I'm torn between wanting him buried there, and not.

He loved that place, but he did feel differently about it after the trial, so I'm not sure?

Michael had only a portion of Neverland in his portfolio. I think there would be tons of hoops to jump through to make that happen.
I think the Estate would have to first, try to buy it back and then they'd have to forever keep it up etc.
Maybe turn it in to a Graceland?

Mamie

07-08-2009, 12:36 AM

Jennifer Hudson is 8 months pregnant.

I don't think Blanket looks like her and didn't realize it but she is also 58 years old. She was Miss Indiana in 1971

Who is 58 years old????

drip~drop1

07-08-2009, 12:39 AM

Marlon had the twin brother

Thank you!
I couldn't for the life of me figure out why I had never heard of a MJ twin!!

drip~drop1

07-08-2009, 12:43 AM

Prince Michael II

who is Prince Michael I ?:confused:
(his big brother?)

Mamie

07-08-2009, 12:43 AM

The woman that led "Heal the World" and "We Are The World" in the MJ memorial today.

http://www.lakenetnwi.net/member/notable/html/Kellee_Patterson.htm

Oh thank God!! I thought y'all were talking about Jennifer Hudson!!

(I haven't gotten that far yet in what I recorded----I just got through listening to Jermaine---what a beautiful job he did in that song and right now Bernice King is speaking.)

Mamie

07-08-2009, 12:46 AM

who is Prince Michael I ?:confused:
(his big brother?)

Yes, dear.

Carol25

07-08-2009, 12:47 AM

What did Michael call Prince MichaelII? He certainly didn't call him Blanket, did he?

*Serenity*

07-08-2009, 12:48 AM

What did Michael call Prince MichaelII? He certainly didn't call him Blanket, did he?

Prince
Paris
Blanket

fairlaw

07-08-2009, 12:49 AM

Once we realized that there were many many reasons why Michael could not be placed in rest at Neverland, I thought that if his religious beliefs permitted it, he could be cremated and have his ashes scattered there.

Then I remembered why Michael moved out. The authorities had desecrated his home and he said he would never go back. They had destroyed all that he loved about Neverland.

I think he should be in the (still can't spell this) Mosaliem, where Marilyn, Rudolph, and Jo DiMaggio, and a lot of others are. I have been in that resting place, seen Monroe's and Valentino's spaces, and I think Michael would be in good company. It is serene and it feels really safe.

Carol25

07-08-2009, 12:50 AM

Prince
Paris
Blanket

Why did he call him Blanket?

ScoobyDoo

07-08-2009, 12:50 AM

What did Michael call Prince MichaelII? He certainly didn't call him Blanket, did he?

Of course he did.

Carol25

07-08-2009, 12:51 AM

Hahahaha! No wonder you asked the question in that "tone". LOL

Yes Jermaine was awesome. Can't imagine why he did not continue his singing career??

I thought he was very good too!

*Serenity*

07-08-2009, 12:51 AM

Why did he call him Blanket?
I forget. LOL
He told someone in one of his interviews what Blanket stood for and I think it was the London interview.

4Life

07-08-2009, 12:53 AM

Who is 58 years old????

The woman who sang heal the world and We are the world
LOL not Jennifer.
That woman looks real good for 58
And if Jennifer was 58 I would want what she was taking

drip~drop1

07-08-2009, 12:54 AM

4Life

07-08-2009, 12:55 AM

FallenAngel♥

07-08-2009, 12:56 AM

Why did he call him Blanket?

because he wanted to..........:thumbup:

4Life

07-08-2009, 12:56 AM

Ahh let me read this whole page 1st before I answer things that have already been answered
Sorry

Tokyo Rose

07-08-2009, 12:56 AM

I forget. LOL
He told someone in one of his interviews what Blanket stood for and I think it was the London interview.

To blanket someone with love. When you blanket someone it is good. jmo

fairlaw

07-08-2009, 12:57 AM

It's not about me, but I am now about 14 hours into non-stop crying. Its because I keep having CNN on in the background, and with every passing hour it just breaks my heart more and more.

4Life

07-08-2009, 12:57 AM

I wonder if it was because MJ was so popular and he felt he would have been "in his shadow". I remember when Janet first started and MJ wanted her to do some duets with him and she told him no -- not until she felt she had established herself without his help. She finally agreed later and recorded "Scream" with him which she believed was therapeutic to MJ. That was after she dropped her father as her mgr, right?

dinojen

07-08-2009, 01:00 AM

Been watching the coverage since I got home from work.. yes I did catch what I could at work.. everyone was watching it and listening to the music the thoughts.. it was amazing.. with the exclusion of Al Sharpton IMO.. he could of left out the political and racism part .. but that's just my thoughts.

As for Michael's children.. I could give a rats behind what their DNA is.. to them.. Prince I, Paris and Prince Michael II.. aka Blanket.. (hey we call our youngest Spif.. so what's in a nic.. and spif stands for SPIFTACULAR.. which is what her dad always told her she was.. but granted Blanket is a little odd.. but hey that's between him and his kids) Back to DNA.. I don't care whose DNA those kids have.. they know Michael as their Dad, they know he loved them, it's very obvious they loved him.. being a parent isn't about DNA.. it's about being there for them, loving them, teaching them about life, teaching them how to be decent, loving and compassionate adults.. that's what being a parent is.. it's easy to have a child.. it's what comes after they are out of the womb that makes a parent IMO.. sounds to me like Michael was an awesome Dad... and his kids will miss him very much he was a huge part of their lives.. hopefully the media will leave them alone.. and let them be kids.. something Michael was never allowed to be... JMVHO..

I'll leave you with this..

Ever since I was born.. Daddy has been the best father in the world, and I love him so much.. just a few words from a 11 year old girl who loves her Daddy.

4Life

07-08-2009, 01:00 AM

Yes -- heck Janet dropped her father as soon as she turned 18. Isn't that when she recorded "Control" and married the DeBarge guy?

Yes, Control was bascially saying she has control of her own life and career now

fairlaw

07-08-2009, 01:02 AM

I don't know who Janet married or not, but it was LaToya who married the abusive man.

4Life

07-08-2009, 01:05 AM

Ya know 4Life -- this is nuts ! I think I know more about the Jacksons than I do my own family !!!! :ohmy:

LOL, I think I do too
Heck I was trying to remember when my best friends birthday, I couldn't so I had to look it up, BUT I remembered MJs is 8/29

lol

drip~drop1

07-08-2009, 01:05 AM

I understand wanting to know who you are and where you came from. It's natural.

I hope by the time they question that though that the boundaries of ethnicity will have been diffused.

Hi there MoonHarvest.
It's really all about ROOTS and foundation. Heritage. Looking generations and generations back.
I think it's just something that is built in some people.

Mamie

07-08-2009, 01:08 AM

The woman who sang heal the world and We are the world
LOL not Jennifer.
That woman looks real good for 58
And if Jennifer was 58 I would want what she was taking

You and me were thinkin' the same thing!

drip~drop1

07-08-2009, 01:08 AM

I agree! Some fans can be so snappy I don't think it's a big deal if they are MJ's bio kids or not but they will have questions once they get old enough.

Now that Michael is gone, the questions may come sooner.
It is very confusing to not only children but young adults.
I don't know how much the kids know but at their ages, I knew nothing. I was actually 27 when I found out.

dinojen

07-08-2009, 01:09 AM

I think Blanket was confused and totally overwhelmed. When you watch it notice how Paris was very protective of him and how he stared at the cover of the memorial program. :(

I did notice that.. she's a great big sister... I think he was overwhelmed with the whole thing.. I mean he's only 7... glad to know those kids are close.. I also noticed Prince Michael I patting Paris on the back after she made her statement.. they truly were a family.. a happy family.. Michael built what he lacked in his youth.. IMO

4Life

07-08-2009, 01:09 AM

I think Blanket was confused and totally overwhelmed. When you watch it notice how Paris was very protective of him and how he stared at the cover of the memorial program. :(

I agree, he looked confused,scared,sad and overwhelmed

GentleBreeze

07-08-2009, 01:10 AM

To blanket someone with love. When you blanket someone it is good. jmo

Yes, MJ told Bashir that he was a "blanket of love."

annalyzer

07-08-2009, 01:13 AM

I think Blanket was confused and totally overwhelmed. When you watch it notice how Paris was very protective of him and how he stared at the cover of the memorial program. :(

Blanket is adorable. :wub:

dinojen

07-08-2009, 01:14 AM

Now that Michael is gone, the questions may come sooner.
It is very confusing to not only children but young adults.
I don't know how much the kids know but at their ages, I knew nothing. I was actually 27 when I found out.

I personally don't think it's going to matter... I have my birth parent's names.. I suppose I could dig into it and find out who they are.. but why.. I have one surviving loving Mother.. I lost my dad when I was 18 and miss him to this day.. doesn't mean I want to dig into history and find out about someone who means nada to me... am I curious heck yeah.. but it's not that high on my priority list.. right now it's my Mom and to make sure she stays healthy and happy.. I love her to death..

DNA is not everything it's cracked up to be.. IMO... These kids will be fine.. they will have a great support system I think.. JMO.. let them heal from the loss .. before the media devours them... which I hope they don't.. it just wouldn't be right IMO.

Mamie

07-08-2009, 01:14 AM

4Life

07-08-2009, 01:15 AM

I was just watching this video of MJ talking about Dianas death
In it he says after her death he felt another one was coming and hoped it wasn't him

Sad
People Princess dies suddnely
King of pop dies suddenly

http://www.video2smile.com/view_video.php?viewkey=d56d5b43a1a3d9d81110&page=&viewtype=&category=

She died 2 days after his Bday
Her bday just past

4Life

07-08-2009, 01:16 AM

GentleBreeze

07-08-2009, 01:16 AM

Now that Michael is gone, the questions may come sooner.
It is very confusing to not only children but young adults.
I don't know how much the kids know but at their ages, I knew nothing. I was actually 27 when I found out.

I think in their case they already know a lot. I am sure he has told them why neither of their mothers live with him.

I dont really think they care especially if the oldest children knows DR is their mother or was the baby carrier.

And he said he didn't know the mother of Blanket and no mother is listed on his birth certificate.

imo

Carol25

07-08-2009, 01:16 AM

To blanket someone with love. When you blanket someone it is good. jmo
Tokyo Rose, that just sounds like Michael, doesn't it? :wub:

fairlaw

07-08-2009, 01:18 AM

Parentage may or may not be important. This is way too much personal information, but my 17 year old daughter gave her baby boy up for adoption to the most wonderful, educated, caring people we could have dreamed of.

My daughter has just reconnected with her son, he is now 23, and he has been a pretty much life-long criminal (very petty stuff) and he has been miserable his whole life. He never felt like he fit into the family he was in.

I just met him about a month ago and he is a pathological liar and is seriously disturbed. Mental illness is rampent in his bio-grandfather's (My daughter's father's family.) My daughter and her son seem to both have a mental imbalance.

So, the whole genetic/environment discussion is right on our door step.

Mayasmimi

07-08-2009, 01:20 AM

I watched from beginning to end, and was amazed by this event, and so happy his children were there to see how much their Daddy was really loved. I cried like a baby and still had a client meeting after. Yes....I was so pretty with the puffy red eyes. I haven't been moved like this in longer than I can remember.

One odd moment with regard to the family....yall.....please don't beat me up, as this is just an observation on my part. Gum chewing. Guess my Mom would have slapped gum out of my mouth in church. Maybe for the children it was to help tension, but Joe Jackson was chewing gum, too. What the heck?

I am so touched by the memorial to the greatest entertainer of my time. Very well done. I hope Michael knows what he meant to the world. I believe he does.

Gonna run and hide now.

*Serenity*

07-08-2009, 01:23 AM

I wanted to reach through the screen and pick him up and just hug, hug, hug him :wub:

I keep remembering Michael stating in one of his interviews how he had dance a lot to get his children to stop crying. IIRC he was talking about Blanket @ the time.

His little white socks and black loafers were just too too adorable.

FallenAngel♥

07-08-2009, 01:24 AM

I agree, he looked confused,scared,sad and overwhelmed

I was 30 when my daddy died and i was confused,scared,sad and overwhelmed

4Life

07-08-2009, 01:24 AM

I keep remembering Michael stating in one of his interviews how he had dance a lot to get his children to stop crying. IIRC he was talking about Blanket @ the time.

His little white socks and black loafers were just too too adorable.

Yes, he had to dance around to put blanket to sleep. For a time that was the only way he could get him to sleep

4Life

07-08-2009, 01:26 AM

I was 30 when my daddy died and i was confused,scared,sad and overwhelmed

Oh I am sure you were.
I'm just saying that this is alot to handle at the age of 7

*Serenity*

07-08-2009, 01:27 AM

Yes, he had to dance around to put blanket to sleep. For a time that was the only way he could get him to sleep

Can you imagine all the dancing Michael did for that child. LOL
I just watched one of the home videos last night of Paris and Prince talking to Michael, telling him how much they loved him, sang a song, and Paris telling him she wanted to do what he does, sing and dance.

That clip was awesome.

4Life

07-08-2009, 01:29 AM

For those that can't sleep or want to cry again
MSNBC will be re broadcasting the service at 2am

ScoobyDoo

07-08-2009, 01:29 AM

Yeah he did. I don't think he will want to be called that when he gets older I know I wouldn't.

We will try to refrain from calling you Blanket when you grow up.

Mayasmimi

07-08-2009, 01:30 AM

Oh I am sure you were.
I'm just saying that this is alot to handle at the age of 7

I don't think there is any way a 7 year old can grasp the death of a parent. Poor little man. I hope the children remain close. From what I witnessed today, I no longer have a doubt. These children should remain with Katherine. They love her, and she obviously loves them. Beautiful.

fairlaw

07-08-2009, 01:30 AM

PattyCake, I had the very same first impression of Lionel Ritchie in the group, but then I realized that what he was actually doing was looking up toward heaven, and possibly gritting his teeth, and setting his jaw.

He was pissed that Michael was gone, IMHO, not about anything else.

Unperson1984

07-08-2009, 01:30 AM

4Life

07-08-2009, 01:30 AM

Can you imagine all the dancing Michael did for that child. LOL
I just watched one of the home videos last night of Paris and Prince talking to Michael, telling him how much they loved him, sang a song, and Paris telling him she wanted to do what he does, sing and dance.

That clip was awesome.

I love that clip. I posted it somewhere on this forum yesterday
There was another where all 3 were outside playing in the yard and MJ running around with them

Well MJ loved to dance

4Life

07-08-2009, 01:33 AM

How sweet. Reminds me of Luther Vandross' song 'To Dance With My Father Again'.
Can you imagine falling asleep to your dance dancing?

My dance loves to dance
lol
I use to fall alseep with my dance dancing

trucrimegal

07-08-2009, 01:33 AM

Does anyone know what was up with Lionel Ritchie and his arms folded there on stage when everyone was singing Heal the World? He looked like he may not have been happy. Arms folded and no smile is not a good sign?

I spotted that too. It did seem like he was just not into it at that point. Don't know if it had anything to do with maybe just reminiscing about the 1985 recording when everyone was there (different well known singers) and was feeling just sad and overwhelmed by that. JMO

FallenAngel♥

07-08-2009, 01:34 AM

Oh I am sure you were.
I'm just saying that this is alot to handle at the age of 7

I just can't imagine what those three babies are going through.

4Life

07-08-2009, 01:35 AM

Did you notice in his conversation with Barbara how he referred to his emotional pain as a physical pain? Truly physical.

That's exactly what some of these haters need to comprehend about him. He suffered from layers of emotional pain which translated, for him, into physical pain, when then was the catalyst for medication, and the cycle continued into a downward spiral.

Particularly after his trial.

I noticed that too when I was watching it

Also he and Diana both hated the tabloids and Papprazzi(sp)

Mayasmimi

07-08-2009, 01:36 AM

4Life

07-08-2009, 01:36 AM

I spotted that too. It did seem like he was just not into it at that point. Don't know if it had anything to do with maybe just reminiscing about the 1985 recording when everyone was there (different well known singers) and was feeling just sad and overwhelmed by that. JMO

I think you're right
and he was remembering singing that song with MJ

*Serenity*

07-08-2009, 01:37 AM

I love that clip. I posted it somewhere on this forum yesterday
There was another where all 3 were outside playing in the yard and MJ running around with them

Well MJ loved to dance

Some of the videos were disabled due to copywright, however I did find them searching around youtube.

What I find so cute about Michael dancing for Blanket, is that Blanket was so entertained and it calmed him down to go to sleep. Just their special bond. :)

4Life

07-08-2009, 01:39 AM

Some of the videos were disabled due to copywright, however I did find them searching around youtube.

What I find so cute about Michael dancing for Blanket, is that Blanket was so entertained and it calmed him down to go to sleep. Just their special bond. :)

You know now I am picturing MJ doing the moonwalk back and fourth until Blanket fell alseep in his arms

*Serenity*

07-08-2009, 01:39 AM

I noticed that too when I was watching it

Also he and Diana both hated the tabloids and Papprazzi(sp)

The one video clip (collage type clip) I noticed how they added all the tabloids piling up on top of one another with MJ news.

4Life

07-08-2009, 01:41 AM

Watching LKL and John Mayer now. Said the experience was humanizing. John's interview is great.

This has been such an emotional day. I can't imagine what it was like to be a part of this. I am so thankful I was able to see it.

Gone to soon. I like Mayer and that interview was great
He is another misunderstood talent because of the tabloids. He hates having them all around him and in his face

trucrimegal

07-08-2009, 01:41 AM

I think you're right
and he was remembering singing that song with MJ

Yes, ITA. How hard it must have been to be on that stage singing a song you co-wrote with MJ and know that he is never coming back...remembering the good times...I'm sure hard to get through, very painful.

4Life

07-08-2009, 01:43 AM

Yes, ITA. How hard it must have been to be on that stage singing a song you co-wrote with MJ and know that he is never coming back...remembering the good times...I'm sure hard to get through, very painful.

I still can't beleive that song came out in 85. I feel old

I would have loved to see that whole org. crew there sing the song. But the ones that sang it today did a good job

Mamie

07-08-2009, 01:43 AM

This is exactly what I relayed to my sister. He looked impatient.

I still think of Lionel when his wife caught him cheating and kicked his But and he ran from her and called the cops on her, Never liked him since.

I wondered if he was thinking he should have had the mic and been the lead singer in that song since the girl who was singing had just sung lead in the one before that. Whatever was the problem, he didn't look happy. JMO

fairlaw

07-08-2009, 01:46 AM

Monroe is buried at Westwood Cemetery, Valentino is buried at Hollywood Forever Cemetery.

I will freely admit that I have pretty serious memory problems, but I did see the crypt of Monroe, with the ever present red rose before DiMaggio passed, and I did see the crypt of Valentino.

I don't know if crypt is the correct term for a slot inside a building, but I did see both of them.

My mother and her husband are at the Forest Lawn in South Glendale, they are in a "wall" in what they call drawers, it is outside.

The place where I saw Monroe's and Valentino's resting place were inside a building. So if I am confused about going to two different places, it wouldn't surprize me. But I do feel certain that both are in Forest Lawn Memorial Parks.

I think that an inside place is best to protect Michael.

trucrimegal

07-08-2009, 01:46 AM

I still can't beleive that song came out in 85. I feel old

Oh I am with you there...not to show my age, but OK, I will. I was a Junior in high school and I remember it like it was yesterday. I guess that's what happens when you turn 40 -- maybe that's the age when you start being very nostalgic, at least I have. Where has the time gone? :confused:

Mamie

07-08-2009, 01:48 AM

I spotted that too. It did seem like he was just not into it at that point. Don't know if it had anything to do with maybe just reminiscing about the 1985 recording when everyone was there (different well known singers) and was feeling just sad and overwhelmed by that. JMO

Maybe that was it, sad because of the 1985 recording. Maybe that's why he didn't lead sing it, either. Maybe he was asked and declined.

4Life

07-08-2009, 01:48 AM

Oh I am with you there...not to show my age, but OK, I will. I was a Junior in high school and I remember it like it was yesterday. I guess that's what happens when you turn 40 -- maybe that's the age when you start being very nostalgic, at least I have. Where has the time gone? :confused:

LOL, I have no idea but I want it back

Mayasmimi

07-08-2009, 01:49 AM

I like Mayer and that interview was great
He is another misunderstood talent because of the tabloids. He hates having them all around him and in his face

Was great.

IMO...John Mayer is at least as good as Clapton. He was discovered in my home town of Atlanta. Fact is, my son went away to summer camp when he was 13.....8 years ago and came home raving about Mayer because of one of his counselors.

Was such a Mayer fan until Jessica Simpson....sorry off topic. Oh, and he also got all potical, which I prefer artists not to do.

Still....amazing performance by Mayer. Even before the vocals I really felt John's guitar "sang" the words. So nice. Cried like a baby.

4Life

07-08-2009, 01:49 AM

The Jackson family is even bigger than I thought.
They're massive. A true American Dynasty. Isn't there like 40 something grand kids?

4Life

07-08-2009, 01:52 AM

Was great.

IMO...John Mayer is at least as good as Clapton. He was discovered in my home town of Atlanta. Fact is, my son went away to summer camp when he was 13.....8 years ago and came home raving about Mayer because of one of his counselors.

Was such a Mayer fan until Jessica Simpson....sorry off topic. Oh, and he also got all potical, which I prefer artists not to do.

Still....amazing performance by Mayer. Even before the vocals I really felt John's guitar "sang" the words. So nice. Cried like a baby.

I have always loved John's guitar playing
You're right, his guitar sings the words
Today he did just awesome

trucrimegal

07-08-2009, 01:52 AM

Maybe that was it, sad because of the 1985 recording. Maybe that's why he didn't lead sing it, either. Maybe he was asked and declined.

I don't know for sure at all, but I bet he was asked and it was just too painful to do it so he chose to be in the back row --and not be up and center. Also, I think they really wanted to give those dancers and singers from his new tour to be able to perform MJ's favorite part of the new show. Still glad he was there to share in his memories though.

4Life

07-08-2009, 01:53 AM

I'm glad now that his kids will stop wearing masks and maybe not be so closed off from the real world I think they will have a better chance of a healthy life then their father.

They stopped wearing them awhile ago

trucrimegal

07-08-2009, 01:57 AM

I've lurked on here for at least a couple of weeks and I was really shy to get into the conversation because I didn't think I would say anything that hadn't already been said. So, please, if I am not following procedure or anything , please let me know. I really like this Board and now that I found it I want to post according to protocol,not be the goober who doesn' know Board etiquette. You just seem like an intelligent group of people and I'm really glad I came here. :biggrin:

*Serenity*

07-08-2009, 01:58 AM

You know now I am picturing MJ doing the moonwalk back and fourth until Blanket fell alseep in his arms

Look at photo #13... Paris is holding on to Blanket with her arms around him and kissing the top of his head. It looks like he his is holding the memorial program up close to his face, maybe he is not
use to having his face uncovered.

ETA.... #14 and #15 are just as adorable. Little Blanket on stage.

http://www.monstersandcritics.com/people/features/article_1488415.php/In_Pictures_Michael_Jackson_Memorial_Service_Round up?page=13

4Life

07-08-2009, 02:00 AM

Unperson1984

07-08-2009, 02:00 AM

I will freely admit that I have pretty serious memory problems, but I did see the crypt of Monroe, with the ever present red rose before DiMaggio passed, and I did see the crypt of Valentino.

I don't know if crypt is the correct term for a slot inside a building, but I did see both of them.

My mother and her husband are at the Forest Lawn in South Glendale, they are in a "wall" in what they call drawers, it is outside.

The place where I saw Monroe's and Valentino's resting place were inside a building. So if I am confused about going to two different places, it wouldn't surprize me. But I do feel certain that both are in Forest Lawn Memorial Parks.

I think that an inside place is best to protect Michael.

I'm quite positive about my information. Monroe is in a crypt at Westwood and Valentino is inside the Catholic Mausoleum at Hollywood Forever. Neither Cemetery is owned by Forest Lawn.

4Life

07-08-2009, 02:02 AM

Look at photo #13... Paris is holding on to Blanket with her arms around him and kissing the top of his head. It looks like he his is holding the memorial program up close to his face, maybe he is not
use to having his face uncovered.

ETA.... #14 and #15 are just as adorable. Little Blanket on stage.

http://www.monstersandcritics.com/people/features/article_1488415.php/In_Pictures_Michael_Jackson_Memorial_Service_Round up?page=13

I think that MJs casket was right in front of them. Maybe he was afraid to look at it? It looks like he is peeking over the top of the program at the casket

Mayasmimi

07-08-2009, 02:02 AM

Run fast because here comes the comments about the gum chewing again.... I was pointed out before and MJ fans ripped those people apart :chicken:

Thanks for the heads up. I didn't mean to be disrespectful. I hope people know me better than that. Oh well. I knew better but I wondered and had to ask. I left home at 1:00PM Pacific....all sad, puffy...but uplifted, and only got home a little more than an hour ago.

No offense intended.

RIP Michael.......

4Life

07-08-2009, 02:04 AM

Well now that explains EVERYTHING about your posts.

Old is good as NO ONE is promised tomorrow.

How does that saying go?
Live today like there is no tomorrow? Something like that

fairlaw

07-08-2009, 02:05 AM

I think that Berry Goody made it perfectly clear that wearing the masks and vails made it safe for the children to go out in public and have normal good times with his kids.

If Debbie Rowe tries for custody, then she is unfit. I don't dislike her at all, BTW, she gave Michael babies. She made it clear that she did it for Michael.

I really don't give a carp about anything else.

4Life

07-08-2009, 02:06 AM

Wrong his kids in public just recently have been unmasked in June. Everytime they were in public before they have been masked. I never understood why because there are lots of famous kids that don't have masks on. And don't say because they were getting kidnapping threats because there are plenty of famous children in the world that I'm sure have been threatened to be kidnapped one time or another.

http://www.pinkisthenewblog.com/2009/06/michael-jackson-unmasks-his-children/

Ok that was from a blog
And I am not wrong, I saw pics of the kids back in March, they were shopping with MJ

He had them masked to keep the crazy tabloids from taking pics of them. He didn't want their faces photographed by the tabloids. Nothing wrong with that

4Life

07-08-2009, 02:09 AM

I think that Berry Goody made it perfectly clear that wearing the masks and vails made it safe for the children to go out in public and have normal good times with his kids.

I really don't give a carp about anything else.
Exactly, nothing wrong with that. He didn't want his kids faces plastered all over every tabloid. Didn't he say it was for security reasons too. People won't see their faces so they wouldn't be able to kidnap them for ransom etc....very understandable. HE was protecting them

trucrimegal

07-08-2009, 02:12 AM

LOL------get outta town! (just kidding) You were a Junior in '85? I graduated in '65! Talk about where has the time gone.....:confused:

I know...I found out that as I grew older, I realized my parents weren't quite the idiots as I always perceived them to be. I can now look back becasue I was the age now they were when they getting a divorce -- and kudos to them. I was the most fun teenager to skulk around my small town.

Michael Jackon was a huge part in my ability to cope withall the drama in my parents divorce. I was around 13-14 and I listened to Off THe Wall, Thriller, etc. I could lock myself up in my room and listen to then all day. He personally affected my life in a positive way and I will never fgot the time in my life he hekped me get through.

4Life

07-08-2009, 02:12 AM

Wearing masks just draws more attention to them. If they were in public and without MJ no one would even know they were his kids. But you couldn't see their faces and that was the whole point. No one knew what they looked like. If he never masked them when in public with them, everyone one would know what they looked like. So if they were ever without him, some nut would know who they were because of the tabloids and might try and kidnap them or hurt them. MJ masking them was avoiding that

*Serenity*

07-08-2009, 02:14 AM

Good Night Everyone...........
Sweet Dreams.........................

:)

4Life

07-08-2009, 02:17 AM

But by covering them up that just made the tabloids more hungry.

But they never got the pics of their faces and that is how MJ wanted it. Protecting them from the whackos out there that could/would hurt them etc... if they knew what they looked like

And IF he didn't bring his kids out in public(masked) the press would make up stories about why we never see MJ out with his kids

Now back on topic for this memorial thread

Mamie

07-08-2009, 02:17 AM

I don't know for sure at all, but I bet he was asked and it was just too painful to do it so he chose to be in the back row --and not be up and center. Also, I think they really wanted to give those dancers and singers from his new tour to be able to perform MJ's favorite part of the new show. Still glad he was there to share in his memories though.

Oh right----I hadn't thought of it that way----his new dancers and singers. Thanks for bringing that out.

Like your nic, btw. I love true crime myself, too!

Mayasmimi

07-08-2009, 02:17 AM

Parents choose for their children what they think is correct. I did the best I could, and as I've seen, Michael raised beautiful kids. Remember that he wasn't raised like most of us. He did the best he knew to do.

I really didn't think often about Michael in recent years, until his death. He was a part of my life. Lesson well learned.

fairlaw

07-08-2009, 02:20 AM

Here is the original posting

Work like you don't need the money, love like you've never been hurt and dance like no-one is watching.

I am out for the night. God Bless Michael and God protect his babies.

4Life

07-08-2009, 02:22 AM

So why aren't they still masked then if he was afraid of them being kidnapped they can still be kidnapped now. MJ had a lot of bodyguards so I'm not buying the kidnapped theory.

Don't buy it but this discussion is over now, Memorial thread, remember

Mamie

07-08-2009, 02:22 AM

4Life

07-08-2009, 02:24 AM

MJ has been betrayed by so many people --he trusted no one especially like you said the kids could be identified and be perfect targets for kidnapping and blackmail. Recently everyone knew he was going broke -- no money = no blackmail = no kidnapping. JMO

Just want to say goodnight -- and thanks to all who shared this wonderful memorial today for MJ. :rose:

Exactly, prob why no more masks. But it is no ones business but his. As far as I can tell they turned out beautiful and perfect

4Life

07-08-2009, 02:26 AM

MJ isn't broke and his sales are up so now he will be worth more now then he was alive so there is still a threat of kidnapping if it was true to begin with.MJ was a half billion in debt before his death. His sales went up only after he died. We were talking about when he was alive and you know it
Please back on topic or go to another thread to talk about other things besides MJs memorial and good things

Mayasmimi

07-08-2009, 02:26 AM

You have to give credit to the nannies too! MJ wasn't a single parent and I heard from reports that he didn't get out of bed until 3-4pm in the afternoon and stayed up late because of his sleep disorder so I have to give a lot of credit to those nannies.

I'm sure. Know what, it's not yet midnight here, so I am basking in the Michael the world loved, and not ready now, if ever, to disect him. My heart is changed. I showed up to work today for a client meeting with swollen red eyes. Yup. A few think I'm nuts. I know what touches my heart. My heart tells me this man was not the awful freak he was made to be. My heart aches for what the media did to him...and ultimately to his children. My feelings are mine. Can't argue with feelings. Really. No disrespect intended.

Mamie

07-08-2009, 02:26 AM

I have to go to work tomorrow----what am I still doing here!:scared:

G'nite everybody!

4Life

07-08-2009, 02:27 AM

just to be fair you were going of topic too! And so were others but I guess you just like to remind only me to stay on topic.

I was correcting you since you went off topic 3 pages back

Fair enough
Back on topic for both of us

Mayasmimi

07-08-2009, 02:30 AM

MJ was a half billion in debt before his death. His sales went up only after he died. We were talking about when he was alive and you know it
Please back on topic or go to another thread to talk about other things besides MJs memorial and good things

Is that accurate? Not asking for a link, but if so, I am completely confused. As I read his Sony catalogue alone was worth at least $1,000,000,000.

4Life

07-08-2009, 02:34 AM

Is that accurate? Not asking for a link, but if so, I am completely confused. As I read his Sony catalogue alone was worth at least $1,000,000,000. That is what all the reports have been. I don't recall the catalogue being worth that much. I also don't think he owned the whole thing anymore

4Life

07-08-2009, 02:36 AM

I'm off too
Good night all
Thanks for sharing today
Very moving day

BTW heard on MTV there is suppose to be another big concert in August for MJ bday

Mayasmimi

07-08-2009, 02:37 AM

We really won't know how they good they turn out until the get to the legal age to do their own thing I just hope there is no drug addiction,DUI arrests in their future. I totally forgot the Diana Ross was arrested for DUI:scared:

No one knows how their kids will turn out. I pray for the best, as long as they are surrounded by love. Diana Ross's DUI arrest has what to do with this?

Alright friends, guess I'll run on. Thank you so much for being with me here today. Thank you for allowing me to experience this with you. We were not alone. Rest well. Tomorrow....I'm starting with the woman in the mirror. I promise.

Much love,

Mimi

4Life

07-08-2009, 02:37 AM

No problem:biggrin: Have a good night I'm going to go hang out with my hubby and babies (cats)Good night
Teach the cats the moonwalk

Mr. Moto2

07-08-2009, 02:44 AM

Why did MJ put masks on his kids?

Not Telling

07-08-2009, 02:57 AM

Is that accurate? Not asking for a link, but if so, I am completely confused. As I read his Sony catalogue alone was worth at least $1,000,000,000.

You can have assets and debts at the same time, most people do... MJ appeared to have many valuable assets but was cash poor...

FallenAngel♥

07-08-2009, 03:15 AM

Why did MJ put masks on his kids?

on the show tonight with debbie rowe she said she told MJ to do that. shes afraid someone will kidnap the children.

LordMisRule

07-08-2009, 03:29 AM

Thanks. At first it was annoying how they all kept grabbing at the mike, and Janet telling her to speak up, but it turned out nice. Sad but nice.

It looked like there was some confusion as to who would speak next. I thought I heard Jermaine ask Janet or say that Janet was going to speak, and she shook her head as a negative because I think she knew Paris was going to speak. Then, they all grabbed the mic to adjust it to Paris' height. I'm glad Janet told her to speak up because it was the noise around them was a little chaotic.

LordMisRule

07-08-2009, 03:30 AM

What show was that?

ABC Special - Show was about the Children of Michael Jackson.

Meridian

07-08-2009, 07:22 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7zmxU3P-80

Jennifer Hudson

Will You Be There:rose:
I didn't know she was pregnant (and by Punk, from "I Love New York")!

It was also touching to see the group performing sign language behind her as she sang.

She looked gorgeous; and sounded good! :thumbup:

GentleBreeze

07-08-2009, 09:00 AM

I didn't know she was pregnant (and by Punk, from "I Love New York")!

It was also touching to see the group performing sign language behind her as she sang.

She looked gorgeous; and sounded good! :thumbup:

Good Morning Meridian,

I went back and watched it again and of course the tears came again. Hearing Michael's voice at the end was one of the most heart gripping moments for me.

As I watched the entire memorial I had the overwhelming sense that there the truth was finally being told. Can you even imagine how it must have felt for the 20,000 sitting right there? There was a sense of peace, unity and love throughout that entire Center.

It made me feel so much better about the future of MJs children when I saw how very close they are with their father's family. It is them who can bring love and comfort to such beautiful children who loved and idolized their daddy.

imo

*Serenity*

07-08-2009, 09:51 AM

Photo Slide Shows From Yesterday's Memorial

http://www.monstersandcritics.com/people/features/article_1488415.php/In_Pictures_Michael_Jackson_Memorial_Service_Round up?page=15

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/07/michael-jacksons-kids-pri_n_227210.html

Michael Jackson's Death Certificate

http://www.radaronline.com/sites/default/files/Jackson%20Death%20Certificate.pdf

EXCLUSIVE: Family Fights Over Michael Jackson's Burial

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/07/exclusive-family-fights-over-michael-jacksons-burial