7/7, 7/8 Memorial thread, #2 & Wed. Daily thread

[Mamie]

I wouldn't believe the media if I saw their tongues being notarized. There is no way I believe that KJ did not speak or talk to her son in all that time.

imo

Bolding mine.

You sure tickle my funny bone at times (like this).:laugh:

[GentleBreeze]

IMO MJ had more sleepovers then anyone of us since he bought Neverland. I had a childhood and sleepovers for me were from age 8-16. So when MJ died he was 50 so when was the childhood going to end? He was a parent and once you are a parent your kids needs come first you don't get to have a childhood anymore. Lets take a look at the rest of the Jacksons they didn't have a childhood either and they were always rehearsing and traveling but they didn't have sleepovers with kids.

We don't know what they do. They certainly wouldn't mention it and they didn't have the money that MJ had to make his childhood fantasy come true.

A family can have all different kind of children in their family, with different needs, pains, goals and personalities.

[magnolia]

Well the article in people is the opposite of what AC is saying, AC and People got their info from a source

Well, maybe it's a different source and AC just said it tonight. :)

[GentleBreeze]

They certainly don't appear to have her chin, do they? JMO

They look nothing like her. She has a very strong large face imo

[4Life]

Well, maybe it's a different source and AC just said it tonight. :)

People.com is reporting that the Jackson family was so concerned with Michael's use of pills and alcohol that they staged an intervention in 2006.

"The family believes Michael is addicted," a family insider said. "There was an intervention in Las Vegas. Janet was on the phone, but Randy, Jackie and Rebbie were there in person."
http://www.theinsider.com/news/2311669_Report_Jackson_Family_Staged_Intervention_ for_Michael_s_Drug_Use

[CinderL.]

Hi Mamie -- don't want to mislead you. After I posted that I posted another article which was more detailed. The picture of her was actually taken outside of her ranch but kind of weird to me if you are home why you wouldn't watch it inside. Oh well.....everything is so weird. LOL

I kind of thought she was out at the stables watching. Maybe doing chores and watching. :shrug:

[magnolia]

People.com is reporting that the Jackson family was so concerned with Michael's use of pills and alcohol that they staged an intervention in 2006.

"The family believes Michael is addicted," a family insider said. "There was an intervention in Las Vegas. Janet was on the phone, but Randy, Jackie and Rebbie were there in person."
http://www.theinsider.com/news/2311669_Report_Jackson_Family_Staged_Intervention_ for_Michael_s_Drug_Use

I am not disputing what you posted, I just heard what AC said. I'm talking about CNN/Anderson Cooper not People. If you're on the east coast, he's getting ready to talk about it some more.

[4Life]

I am not disputing what you posted, I just heard what AC said. I'm talking about CNN/Anderson Cooper not People. If you're on the east coast, he's getting ready to talk about it some more.

I'm not saying you are, I was just posting what I read in that People article and wanted to supply a link to it
Anderson is saying that MJ had security keep his brothers and sister out but People is saying no not true

[CinderL.]

OK I understand that but it's still weird that she would watch the memorial and do chores. :shrug:

Well yeah, there is that. But, those horses have got to eat. :wink:

And yes, the media can take pics outside. "oh my"

[CinderL.]

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Since when do seperated couples have a wedding anniversary party? lol

Joe said that was the first they had ever had. :laugh: I'll bet.

[magnolia]

Since all the rumors are flying around I think MJ's older children can be one of the nephew's children.
My point being is when you believe something you see what you want to see. :shrug:

http://www.blackcelebkids.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/3t.jpg

Yeah, lol, I don't see it...but I do think your statement below should be the subtitle to every MJ thread:

My point being is when you believe something you see what you want to see.

[Mamie]

Hi Mamie -- don't want to mislead you. After I posted that I posted another article which was more detailed. The picture of her was actually taken outside of her ranch but kind of weird to me if you are home why you wouldn't watch it inside. Oh well.....everything is so weird. LOL

So how'd anybody get a picture if it was at home at her ranch? What'd she do, call the media in? Even if she didn't, why is there even a picture of her like this, who took it and why? I still say it's hype. JMO

[4Life]

So how'd anybody get a picture if it was at home at her ranch? What'd she do, call the media in? Even if she didn't, why is there even a picture of her like this, who took it and why? I still say it's hype. JMO

Prob was offered money to have some press there to take pics on that day. IMO

[magnolia]

CNN/Anderson Cooper

Feb. 2007 intervention did not work. MJ would shut people out of his life for long periods of time if they tried to discourage him from taking drugs or talk to him about drug abuse.

[4Life]

CNN/Anderson Cooper

Feb. 2007 intervention did not work. MJ would shut people out of his life for long periods of time if they tried to discourage him from taking drugs or talk to him about drug abuse.

One report says 2006 and one says 2007

[ScoobyDoo]

Oh they were collector's items...and cost a lot of money, well I guess that explains it. As long as there expensive, it's okay then??? Or given as gifts??? And he was NEVER in that guest rooom. Oh, o.k. Too bad

<Sarcasm Level = High>

Really, I can't believe how people explain away all the "red flags" that suggest MJ had inappropriate relationships with children. CHILDREN.



I, along with a lot of people can't believe how people can just explain away a full acquittal, and continue making allegations where there was and is no proof.
geez.

[4Life]

CNN/Anderson Cooper

Feb. 2007 intervention did not work. MJ would shut people out of his life for long periods of time if they tried to discourage him from taking drugs or talk to him about drug abuse.

Michael Jackson's mother has hit out at reports of the singer's alleged drug and alcohol problems, dismissing the accusations as "troubling and heinous." The Thriller star is said to have developed a dependency on drink and painkillers, forcing his family to step in to look after his business affairs, according to reports in U.S. magazine, People.

But Katherine Jackson - supported by her sons Tito, Jermaine, Marlon and Jackie - has blasted the claims as "inaccurate" and "defamatory", insisting the publications making the false accusations are only motivated by financial gains.

In a statement issued by Jackson's representative, Raymone K. Bain, Katherine also calls for an end to the rumors.

She says: "People magazine has followed other publications in reporting untrue and inaccurate information about Michael Jackson and the Jackson family. Of these widely reported rumors, what has become the most troubling and heinous, is that my son, and our brother, Michael Jackson, is dependent on painkillers and alcohol. People, and other news organizations, have quoted 'sources' indicating that our family has attempted a drug intervention, and engaged in an effort to take over his business affairs, because of this alleged drug and alcohol usage.

"We categorically deny ever planning, participating in, or having knowledge of any kind of intervention, whatsoever. We strongly believe that these 'sources' and others, no matter who they are, are making these defamatory, inaccurate, and untrue claims for monetary reasons. Michael Jackson, and the Jackson family, has endured years of false accusations and misrepresentations. It is time for these unfair and hurtful rumors, for profit, to end."
http://www.starpulse.com/news/index.php/2007/09/11/michael_jackson_s_mom_slams_heinous_drug

[magnolia]

I, along with a lot of people can't believe how people can just explain away a full acquittal, and continue making allegations where there was and is no proof.
geez.

Too many red flags. I'd rather err on the side of caution and go with the CHILDREN.


P.S. I haven't accused MJ of being a child molester or a pedophile. I'm just not ready to be swayed by his fame. Or the acquittal. I also think OJ is guilty.

[Mnchkin426]

Since when? JMO

Not sure what you are asking but I'm afraid it's true. Just happens at times. Sometimes doctors think they know what the autopsy will show and then it doesn't.....very frustrating. This information comes from 43 year's worth of medical experience....my husband's. There just isn't always an answer. Hopefully MJ's family will get an answer.

[magnolia]

Michael Jackson's mother has hit out at reports of the singer's alleged drug and alcohol problems, dismissing the accusations as "troubling and heinous." The Thriller star is said to have developed a dependency on drink and painkillers, forcing his family to step in to look after his business affairs, according to reports in U.S. magazine, People.

But Katherine Jackson - supported by her sons Tito, Jermaine, Marlon and Jackie - has blasted the claims as "inaccurate" and "defamatory", insisting the publications making the false accusations are only motivated by financial gains.

In a statement issued by Jackson's representative, Raymone K. Bain, Katherine also calls for an end to the rumors.

She says: "People magazine has followed other publications in reporting untrue and inaccurate information about Michael Jackson and the Jackson family. Of these widely reported rumors, what has become the most troubling and heinous, is that my son, and our brother, Michael Jackson, is dependent on painkillers and alcohol. People, and other news organizations, have quoted 'sources' indicating that our family has attempted a drug intervention, and engaged in an effort to take over his business affairs, because of this alleged drug and alcohol usage.

"We categorically deny ever planning, participating in, or having knowledge of any kind of intervention, whatsoever. We strongly believe that these 'sources' and others, no matter who they are, are making these defamatory, inaccurate, and untrue claims for monetary reasons. Michael Jackson, and the Jackson family, has endured years of false accusations and misrepresentations. It is time for these unfair and hurtful rumors, for profit, to end."
http://www.starpulse.com/news/index.php/2007/09/11/michael_jackson_s_mom_slams_heinous_drug

Those denials were discussed on CNN and were from 2007. I'm NOT talking about the People Magazine article.

AND, Janet Jackson DID NOT sign the denial.

[legalmania]

I, along with a lot of people can't believe how people can just explain away a full acquittal, and continue making allegations where there was and is no proof.
geez.

It makes them feel better I guess, if you just take a look at a map and find all the pedofiles in your neighborhood those are the ones you better watch out for. Those are the ones who are taking our kids killing and torturing them. They are out there everyday watching and waiting.

[4Life]

Those denials were discussed on CNN and were from 2007. I'm NOT talking about the People Magazine article.

But you said Anderson was talking about Feb 2007:confused:
The article I posted it from Sept 2007
And KJ is talking about ALL media outlets, not just People

[4Life]

Those denials were discussed on CNN and were from 2007. I'm NOT talking about the People Magazine article.

AND, Janet Jackson DID NOT sign the denial.

Do you have a link that Janet did not?

[VC2]

So if this is true did this ever come up during the trial. It's hard to believe this is true because this would have blown part the DA's case.Where is the proof she met with this civil lawyer the first time.

It certainly did blow his case apart. Even more was GA testifying that he perjured himself in the JC penney case regarding sexual molestation.

[ScoobyDoo]

Too many red flags. I'd rather err on the side of caution and go with the CHILDREN.


P.S. I haven't accused MJ of being a child molester or a pedophile. I'm just not ready to be swayed by his fame. Or the acquittal. I also think OJ is guilty.

Well... its unfortunate for some that in this country we have a system of justice, not perfect, but it is said that its the best there is. I suppose all those who can't accept it, could always move to a country, where defendants aren't afforded a trial, stoned in public etc.

imo...of course.

[magnolia]

It makes them feel better I guess, if you just take a look at a map and find all the pedofiles in your neighborhood those are the ones you better watch out for. Those are the ones who are taking our kids killing and torturing them. They are out there everyday watching and waiting.

I'm just not easily swayed by fame. I'm cautious and smart and know that the pedophiles listed on WatchDog are not the only ones out there.

[ScoobyDoo]

I wonder how many times those children seen MJ stoned?


As many times as you want to conjure up in your mind.
:glare:

[magnolia]

Well... its unfortunate for some that in this country we have a system of justice, not perfect, but it is said that its the best there is. I suppose all those who can't accept it, could always move to a country, where defendants aren't afforded a trial, stoned in public etc.

imo...of course.
Oh, give me a break.

So you think MJ is not guilty and OJ?????? (Does that mean you're moving?)

[magnolia]

Do you have a link that Janet did not?

It says it in YOUR link. :)

Well you need to read WHO signed it and then infer.

[4Life]

It says it in YOUR link. :)

Well you need to read WHO signed it and then infer.

I don't see anywhere in my link where it says Janet did not sign anything
:confused:

[Tokyo Rose]

They look nothing like her. She has a very strong large face imo

They are not fully grown either and will still change. She is their mother.
jmo

[ScoobyDoo]

Oh, give me a break.

So you think MJ is not guilty and OJ?????? (Does that mean you're moving?)


This is the Michael Jackson memorial thread, not the OJ thread. I believe your best bet at discussing OJ would be to look on the old trial threads. Hope I have been of assistance.

[legalmania]

I want to dedicate this to you MJ, I just love listening to your music.

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Now playing: Michael Jackson - The Way You Make Me Feel (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/michael_jackson/track/the_way_you_make_me_feel)
via FoxyTunes (http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/)

[magnolia]

Michael Jackson's mother has hit out at reports of the singer's alleged drug and alcohol problems, dismissing the accusations as "troubling and heinous." The Thriller star is said to have developed a dependency on drink and painkillers, forcing his family to step in to look after his business affairs, according to reports in U.S. magazine, People.

But Katherine Jackson - supported by her sons Tito, Jermaine, Marlon and Jackie - has blasted the claims as "inaccurate" and "defamatory", insisting the publications making the false accusations are only motivated by financial gains.

In a statement issued by Jackson's representative, Raymone K. Bain, Katherine also calls for an end to the rumors.

She says: "People magazine has followed other publications in reporting untrue and inaccurate information about Michael Jackson and the Jackson family. Of these widely reported rumors, what has become the most troubling and heinous, is that my son, and our brother, Michael Jackson, is dependent on painkillers and alcohol. People, and other news organizations, have quoted 'sources' indicating that our family has attempted a drug intervention, and engaged in an effort to take over his business affairs, because of this alleged drug and alcohol usage.

"We categorically deny ever planning, participating in, or having knowledge of any kind of intervention, whatsoever. We strongly believe that these 'sources' and others, no matter who they are, are making these defamatory, inaccurate, and untrue claims for monetary reasons. Michael Jackson, and the Jackson family, has endured years of false accusations and misrepresentations. It is time for these unfair and hurtful rumors, for profit, to end."
http://www.starpulse.com/news/index.php/2007/09/11/michael_jackson_s_mom_slams_heinous_drug

Bolding is mine...the people who signed the denial are bolded above. No Janet.

Do you not believe it's possible that MJ had a drug problem and his caring family (or at least Janet) tried to stage an intervention???

With or without a drug problem, MJ was a fantastic entertainer. I just happen to believe he was a drug addict. It happens to lots of people, even good ones.

[4Life]

Ok. Now I'm confused. But that doesn't take much!

I started a thread to discuss both the Wonderful and Disturbing sides of this amazing and enigmatic man. I did so to set the thread apart from the Memorial Thread which was started for the people who loved and still love this man. The Memorial thread should be for mourning and expressions of care and love. Other discussions should be carried on in other threads.

I posted to this Memorial thread expressing my tremendous appreciation for Michael's talent and my deep sadness at his passing.

I started the "Other" thread to discuss the other issues. But that thread was closed due to it being inappropriate.

So now, I see people are bringing many "other" issues in to this Memorial Thread. I am not upset at all. I'm just confused.

So many wonderful Memorial posts. Thank you all.

CJ

This was started as a Memorial thread by me but some decided not to respect it as that. The opening post clearly states This is a Memorial thread only

[magnolia]

This is the Michael Jackson memorial thread, not the OJ thread. I believe your best bet at discussing OJ would be to look on the old trial threads. Hope I have been of assistance.

Just as I thought...............................

P.S. It was a related question, but that's okay.

[4Life]

Bolding is mine...the people who signed the denial are bolded above. No Janet.

Do you not believe it's possible that MJ had a drug problem and his caring family (or at least Janet) tried to stage an intervention???

With or without a drug problem, MJ was a fantastic entertainer. I just happen to believe he was a drug addict. It happens to lots of people, even good ones.

Ok
I am not here to discuss his past, trial etc...I made this a memorial thread and people didn't repspect that
What can I do? not a darn thing except to just go with the flow

[RootBeer]

I am a fan of Michael Jackson's music but I totally believe he was not always telling the truth in more than a few of his interviews.

I admire him very much for his charity giving and honorable good deeds.

[legalmania]

Ok. Now I'm confused. But that doesn't take much!

I started a thread to discuss both the Wonderful and Disturbing sides of this amazing and enigmatic man. I did so to set the thread apart from the Memorial Thread which was started for the people who loved and still love this man. The Memorial thread should be for mourning and expressions of care and love. Other discussions should be carried on in other threads.

I posted to this Memorial thread expressing my tremendous appreciation for Michael's talent and my deep sadness at his passing.

I started the "Other" thread to discuss the other issues. But that thread was closed due to it being inappropriate.

So now, I see people are bringing many "other" issues in to this Memorial Thread. I am not upset at all. I'm just confused.

So many wonderful Memorial posts. Thank you all.

CJ

I think we all did a really good job yesterday discussing the memorial service, we laughed and cried together. Today we are all winding back down, I just found the thriller album today in the garage. Now I gotta find a working record player. It's hard to keep everybody positive all the time.

[sofiesmom]

A few of us think all three kids look very much alike. I don't think they look like the Dr. though. Although he was kind of evasive on that question. IMOI can't help but wonder about the possibility that all three of the children might have at least one bio parent in common. I see a strong resemblance, esp between Prince 1 and Blanket. (and none between any of them and Dr. Klein)

[ScoobyDoo]

Just as I thought...............................

P.S. It was a related question, but that's okay.


Oh.. to answer your question: No, I do not think Michael Jackson was ever guilty of having abused any child, in any way...ever. I never did believe it, and never will. I believe he was the victim of greedy people coupled with a vindictive prosecutor.

[magnolia]

Ok
I am not here to discuss his past, trial etc...I made this a memorial thread and people didn't repspect that
What can I do? not a darn thing


Oh, I thought you were the one who was posting the 2007 (past) information in People Magazine. My bad. :)

And I am remembering MJ. All side of him.

[4Life]

Oh.. to answer your question: No, I do not think Michael Jackson was ever guilty of having abused any child, in any way...ever. I never did believe it, and never will. I believe he was the victim of greedy people coupled with a vindictive prosecutor.

You took the words right out of my mouth

[magnolia]

I am a fan of Michael Jackson's music but I totally believe he was not always telling the truth in more than a few of his interviews.

I admire him very much for his charity giving and honorable good deeds.

Yes, I agree also. Also, he had many sides - not a 1 dimensional, perfect, entertainer.

[4Life]

Oh, I thought you were the one who was posting the 2007 (past) information in People Magazine. My bad. :)

And I am remembering MJ. All side of him.Um I wasn't until YOU were posting that he stopped talking to his family because of "Interventions"

[magnolia]

Um I wasn't until YOU were posting that he stopped talking to his family because of "Interventions"

Wow. I'm responsible for YOU breaking your own rules.

[magnolia]

There is absolutely no proof that MJ ever molested a child and the jury agreed. Prove it wasn't an extortion. Prove that the Arvizos who knew the details about the 1993 settlement and part of Gavin's testimony wasn't quoted from that settlement? Prove that Janet Arvizo did not go to the same CIVIL attorney PRIOR to even them meeting MJ. PROVE they did not frame MJ. PROVE they were not grifters.

My question above wasn't about MJ, but thanks for trying to answer. :) I figured the above is the position you are taking on MJ.

[4Life]

Wow. I'm responsible for YOU breaking your own rules.

When I see something posted that is false or no link to support such a claim, I sometimes have to break my own rules

[Tokyo Rose]

You took the words right out of my mouth

MJ admitted in an interview on TV he sleeps in bed with children that are not his own. That is not something a normal person would do. I just don't understand how anyone can over look what he admitted to doing. jmo

[ScoobyDoo]

Yes, I agree also. Also, he had many sides - not a 1 dimensional, perfect, entertainer.

All humans are not 1 dimensional, nor perfect. I'm sure Michael was like any other human. The difference between him and most humans, is that he spent a lifetime giving of himself to help many others, less fortunate than him. He strived to bring all people together, to bring love into this world of hate.

[*Serenity*]

Ok. Now I'm confused. But that doesn't take much!

I started a thread to discuss both the Wonderful and Disturbing sides of this amazing and enigmatic man. I did so to set the thread apart from the Memorial Thread which was started for the people who loved and still love this man. The Memorial thread should be for mourning and expressions of care and love. Other discussions should be carried on in other threads.

I posted to this Memorial thread expressing my tremendous appreciation for Michael's talent and my deep sadness at his passing.

I started the "Other" thread to discuss the other issues. But that thread was closed due to it being inappropriate.

So now, I see people are bringing many "other" issues in to this Memorial Thread. I am not upset at all. I'm just confused.

So many wonderful Memorial posts. Thank you all.

CJ

Well- color me purple............ I can't wrap my brain around people
that can't stand Michael Jackson, make false allegations, think is a terrible human being dead and alive, rip his family apart, and then further complain about his children chewing gum, not having any black blood due to no kinky hair, YET.......... they come here to post on the Michael Jackson forum. Personally- if I felt this way about Michael Jackson- I wouldn't even come here, but hey-- that's just me.

:)

[4Life]

MJ admitted in an interview on TV he sleeps in bed with children that are not his own. That is not something a normal person would do. I just don't understand how anyone can over look what he admitted to doing. jmo

We were talking about molesting. Did he admitt to that?

[magnolia]

All humans are not 1 dimensional, nor perfect. I'm sure Michael was like any other human. The difference between him and most humans, is that he spent a lifetime giving of himself to help many others, less fortunate than him. He strived to bring all people together, to bring love into this world of hate.

Okay, I just feel like many people see one side of MJ - the so called "perfect" side. How difficult it must have been to know that his fans thought he could do no wrong. I wonder if he ever thought if he was really authentic and truthful (ex. about drugs) if his defenders would leave him. Seems to many people are idolizing someone who didn't exist.

[legalmania]

You all keep disagreeing I'll enjoy his music

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Now playing: Michael Jackson - Beat It (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/michael_jackson/track/beat_it)
via FoxyTunes (http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/)

[Mamie]

Oh.. to answer your question: No, I do not think Michael Jackson was ever guilty of having abused any child, in any way...ever. I never did believe it, and never will. I believe he was the victim of greedy people coupled with a vindictive prosecutor.

Hear, hear!:beer:

[4Life]

All humans are not 1 dimensional, nor perfect. I'm sure Michael was like any other human. The difference between him and most humans, is that he spent a lifetime giving of himself to help many others, less fortunate than him. He strived to bring all people together, to bring love into this world of hate.

And the millions of people of all races proved that yesterday

[4Life]

You all keep disagreeing I'll enjoy his music

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Now playing: Michael Jackson - Beat It (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/michael_jackson/track/beat_it)
via FoxyTunes (http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/)

Let's see. can I request one?
Leave me Alone?

[4Life]

I agree with both you and legalmania - the thread was started with wonderful intentions AND Most Posters adhered to that, at least for awhile.

4life, I really wish that this thread were JUST for remembering the good things and expressing love and caring for Michael. I expected it to be. THAT is why I started another thread to discuss "other issues". I am truly sorry that this thread was derailed. I didn't do it. I thought I was being considerate by starting other thread.

Oh well. Go with the flow indeed...

Oh, you were very very respectful yesterday and few others made posts and then noticed it was a memorial thread and deleted their posts, that was very respectful

[4Life]

Excellent choice 4Life. I second that.

With that I shall say goodnight to all :)Good night my friend

[ScoobyDoo]

Okay, I just feel like many people see one side of MJ - the so called "perfect" side. How difficult it must have been to know that his fans thought he could do no wrong. I wonder if he ever thought if he was really authentic and truthful (ex. about drugs) if his defenders would leave him. Seems to many people are idolizing someone who didn't exist.


I was never really a Michael Jackson fan, I was more a Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd type of girl. Although I did think the Thriller album was awesome, and I especially liked the Billie Jean song.

If I am a fan of his, it would be more a fan of him as a person, his spirit, his pureness, and beautiful heart.


ps: But since his death, I have had the opportunity to go back through the years, and realize how truly gifted he was in music. I feel that I cheated myself all these years, by not realizing that before his death.

[legalmania]

Let's see. can I request one?
Leave me Alone?

Remember when Weird Al did a spoof about Beat It. O.K. 4Life request granted.

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Now playing: Michael Jackson - Leave Me Alone (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/michael_jackson/track/leave_me_alone)
via FoxyTunes (http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/)

[*Serenity*]

I agree with both you and legalmania - the thread was started with wonderful intentions AND Most Posters adhered to that, at least for awhile.

4life, I really wish that this thread were JUST for remembering the good things and expressing love and caring for Michael. I expected it to be. THAT is why I started another thread to discuss "other issues". I am truly sorry that this thread was derailed. I didn't do it. I thought I was being considerate by starting other thread.

Oh well. Go with the flow indeed...

Coldwater didn't approve of the 'put down' thread.

Coldwater
Moderator Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 509

Excuse me

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for exercising my administration rights but I don't believe we need a "put down" thread about any person who is not even cold in his grave. I don't recall we've ever done it before, posters manage to do that in the daily threads. I know for sure as I get enough complaints for not removing them.

So I'm going to close this thread, if you have a problem with that you can PM me or I'm sure there is a forum that will be glad to accept the subject.

[Tokyo Rose]

I agree with both you and legalmania - the thread was started with wonderful intentions AND Most Posters adhered to that, at least for awhile.

4life, I really wish that this thread were JUST for remembering the good things and expressing love and caring for Michael. I expected it to be. THAT is why I started another thread to discuss "other issues". I am truly sorry that this thread was derailed. I didn't do it. I thought I was being considerate by starting other thread.

Oh well. Go with the flow indeed...

I hate to throw a monkey wrench in this discussion, but the very people who complain this thread is off topic regarding the memorial are the very ones who keep bringing up the trial ect. jmo

The memorial is over now and the discussions are going in a different direction by ALL of the posters here. If this is still strictly the memorial thread, why isn't it closed now and another thread started for all discussion involving MJ?

JMO

[Mamie]

Okay, I just feel like many people see one side of MJ - the so called "perfect" side. How difficult it must have been to know that his fans thought he could do no wrong. I wonder if he ever thought if he was really authentic and truthful (ex. about drugs) if his defenders would leave him. Seems to many people are idolizing someone who didn't exist.

But maybe that's just your perception of those many people you say only see one side of MJ, the "perfect" side. When in reality, those many people may see his flaws but they love and idolize him anyway. And I'm not talking about any of the accusations involving children as I didn't believe that for a minute. But he didn't tell the truth about how many times he'd had surgery and I still loved and idolized him as his fans do. He spent way too much money and didn't take care of financial obligations the way he should have, yet I still loved and idolized him for the heart he had and his willing to always give his all in anything that he did. I never thought he was perfect but then again, who is? JMO

[4Life]

Remember when Weird Al did a spoof about Beat It. O.K. 4Life request granted.

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Now playing: Michael Jackson - Leave Me Alone (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/michael_jackson/track/leave_me_alone)
via FoxyTunes (http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/)

Yes I remember that. and Michael was thrilled by that, he said he felt honored or something like that

Thanks for my request

[magnolia]

I was never really a Michael Jackson fan, I was more a Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd type of girl. Although I did think the Thriller album was awesome, and I especially liked the Billie Jean song.

If I am a fan of his, it would be more a fan of him as a person, his spirit, his pureness, and beautiful heart.


ps: But since his death, I have had the opportunity to go back through the years, and realize how truly gifted he was in music. I feel that I cheated myself all these years, by not realizing that before his death.

But see...you said pureness. He wasn't that pure (and I'm not talking about molestation). It seems as if some (not talking about you specifically) are making him something he's not. They are loving him, worshipping him - but only the perfect him. Not the real him. That's sad.

[4Life]

I keep getting sidetracked by other posts.....

I would like some help/info, if you will..

During the Memorial, a song was sung by Jennifer Hudson called (I think) "Will You Be There?". That song was also interspersed with spoken and written verses on the big screen.

Is this a real song? If so, where can I find it? Or maybe it is a mix of someting else?

This was so beautiful. if I have to download it from the memorial, I will do that - but I'd really like to purchase this if it is a song.

Thanks so much (again),
CJ
Here you go


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvYygjcMDdQ

He says the words toward the end of the song

[legalmania]

I am gonna go also, goodnight everyone and I want to dedicate this to MJ. Never say goodbye.

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Now playing: Michael Jackson - Never Can Say Goodbye (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/michael_jackson/track/never_can_say_goodbye)
via FoxyTunes (http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/)

[magnolia]

But maybe that's just your perception of those many people you say only see one side of MJ, the "perfect" side. When in reality, those many people may see his flaws but they love and idolize him anyway. And I'm not talking about any of the accusations involving children as I didn't believe that for a minute. But he didn't tell the truth about how many times he'd had surgery and I still loved and idolized him as his fans do. He spent way too much money and didn't take care of financial obligations the way he should have, yet I still loved and idolized him for the heart he had and his willing to always give his all in anything that he did. I never thought he was perfect but then again, who is? JMO

I just saw this and appreciate this. I guess I've read so many people justify, shift blame, smooth over, cover, make excuses for who MJ really was and what he did (not talking about molestation). It's like they loved someone who was a perfect figment of their imagination. That does not bring honor to him. And that seems like what they were trying to do.

[*Serenity*]

http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/entertainment/michael-jackson-emaciated-full-of-pills-and-bald-autopsy-report_100210899.html

Sad the way he died. I pity his poor little children.


Well-- everyone knows now what NG show will be about tomorrow night. She repeats after the tabloids.

It's only going to get worse, in my opinion, and like someone posted earlier today, they won't leave him alone even in death.

:(


ETA-- the date on that tabloid article was June 29th and the coroner reported that the allegations about the autopsy
were FALSE.

[Tokyo Rose]

We were talking about molesting. Did he admitt to that?

Come on.:rolleyes: Do you really believe grown men sleep with little boys innocently? Would you let a grown man sleep with your little boy even MJ? I sure wouldn't because I have more sense than that.

[annalyzer]

http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/entertainment/michael-jackson-emaciated-full-of-pills-and-bald-autopsy-report_100210899.html

Sad the way he died. I pity his poor little children.


From your post. (Don't know why it doesn't show when I quote it. :confused: )

"The bridge to his nose had vanished and one side of his nose had collapsed."

How and when did that happen? :confused:

[ScoobyDoo]

But see...you said pureness. He wasn't that pure (and I'm not talking about molestation). It seems as if some (not talking about you specifically) are making him something he's not. They are loving him, worshipping him - but only the perfect him. Not the real him. That's sad.


I think its even sadder the people who continue to dwell on and hurl allegations, that could not be proven, against an innocent man. Not a perfect man, but an innocent man.

[*Serenity*]

From your post. (Don't know why it doesn't show when I quote it. :confused: )

"The bridge to his nose had vanished and one side of his nose had collapsed."

How and when did that happen? :confused:

The article was dated June 29th and tabloid news. The article also repeats / states according to The Sun....!! The cororner set this straight right after this came out.

Bunch of junk...........
I'm waiting for the 'real' report/s from here, not from out of the country tabloids.

IMO

[magnolia]

I think its even sadder the people who continue to dwell on and hurl allegations, that could not be proven, against an innocent man. Not a perfect man, but an innocent man.

When it gets down to it, you don't know that he's innocent just as much as others don't know he's guilty. I really hope we find out definitvely at some point in the future.

[4Life]

I keep getting sidetracked by other posts.....

I would like some help/info, if you will..

During the Memorial, a song was sung by Jennifer Hudson called (I think) "Will You Be There?". That song was also interspersed with spoken and written verses on the big screen.

Is this a real song? If so, where can I find it? Or maybe it is a mix of someting else?

This was so beautiful. if I have to download it from the memorial, I will do that - but I'd really like to purchase this if it is a song.

Thanks so much (again),
CJ
I just posted the org version on the links thread, sung by Michael
Also you can purchase the song from Napster, I just looked and they have it listed under Michael Jackson "will you be there"

[*Serenity*]

Come on.:rolleyes: Do you really believe grown men sleep with little boys innocently? Would you let a grown man sleep with your little boy even MJ? I sure wouldn't because I have more sense than that.

Since you can't stand Michael Jackson-- think he is the all time loser, drug addict, terrible father, child molestor, and on and on... could you please explain to me why you come here to repeat the same statements day after day? Do you think you are going to change everyone here into thinking like you? Or... are you here to get a rise?
I seriously don't get your motives at all.

Like I posted earlier, if I felt the way you do-- I wouldn't waste my time coming here. I would find a new place to go to spend my time.


But hey-- that's just me. :)

[ScoobyDoo]

When it gets down to it, you don't know that he's innocent just as much as others don't know he's guilty. I really hope we find out definitvely at some point in the future.

Oh, I actually do definitively know that he is innocent. As far as I'm concerned there is nothing more to find out, if there was it would have been known already.

[magnolia]

Oh, I actually do definitively know that he is innocent. As far as I'm concerned there is nothing more to find out, if there was it would have been known already.

Well, believe that you do know...but you really don't. Maybe one day???

[Hanalei]

Yeah and I saw it got closed (the thread you started) I guess we are going to have to wait awhile until we are "allowed" to talk about MJ issues that weren't good for him and his children. But it amazes me that Debbie Rowe can be trashed on this board and it's ok to do that


I agree with both you and legalmania - the thread was started with wonderful intentions AND Most Posters adhered to that, at least for awhile.

4life, I really wish that this thread were JUST for remembering the good things and expressing love and caring for Michael. I expected it to be. THAT is why I started another thread to discuss "other issues". I am truly sorry that this thread was derailed. I didn't do it. I thought I was being considerate by starting other thread.

Oh well. Go with the flow indeed...

[4Life]

Well technically, if I remember correctly, MJ never admitted to sleeping with little boys. He claimed he slept on the floor and gave the kids the bed when it was time to sleep. Ahh thank you, I am glad I am not the only one that remembered that

[4Life]

Well, believe that you do know...but you really don't. Maybe one day???

Do you really know?

It works both ways doesn't it?

[magnolia]

Do you really know?

It works both ways doesn't it?

Yes and yes.

[*Serenity*]

Yeah and I saw it got closed (the thread you started) I guess we are going to have to wait awhile until we are "allowed" to talk about MJ issues that weren't good.


The internet offers hundreds of places that are discussing all the rumors, and allegations that you are looking for, so you really don't have to wait awhile. :)

[*Serenity*]

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In all fairness, i'm sure the original poster could ask u the same thing. U have your opinion and she has hers. jmo

I take it you didn't comprehend my post.

:)

[ScoobyDoo]

Yeah and I saw it got closed (the thread you started) I guess we are going to have to wait awhile until we are "allowed" to talk about MJ issues that weren't good for him and his children. But it amazes me that Debbie Rowe can be trashed on this board and the moderator allows it.


Well.. If you are into trashing, I think you might find the Caylee board of interest. I think the group is coming up with the various ways they can succeed in taking away donated toys given to the dying children at the Cleveland clinic. That might be more along the lines of what you are looking for. Hope I have been of assistance.

[*Serenity*]

It's being reported today from CNN.

Did CNN state their source? I certainly hope it isn't another rehash from the June 29th Star rumors.

[velvetbrown]

I loved MJ and have been a fan since I was a child...but his funeral/memorial reminded me of a song by John Denver:

"Oh lay me down in Forest Lawn in a golden casket,
with golden flowers over my head in a silver basket.
Let drum and bugle corps play taps while cannons roar,
and 15 liveried employees sell souvineers from the funeral store.
I want to go simply when I go,
they'll give me a simple funeral there, I know.
I'll lie beneath the sand, with piped in tapes of Billy Grahm,
Oh take me when I'm gone to Forest Lawn..."

It always made me laugh, and I feel Michael would too if he could...
'All this fuss over me?'

God Bless ,Michael. Rest in peace...

[*Serenity*]

The so-called allegations (so says you) have been reported on various news today. CNN, Fox, MSNBC

His pending autopsy report.

That's not what my post was talking about. LOL

The poster was referring to the thread closed today by Coldwater, and said poster is waiting for the air to clear so all the bad talk can be discussed here.

[FallenAngel♥]

Well-- everyone knows now what NG show will be about tomorrow night. She repeats after the tabloids.

It's only going to get worse, in my opinion, and like someone posted earlier today, they won't leave him alone even in death.

:(


ETA-- the date on that tabloid article was June 29th and the coroner reported that the allegations about the autopsy
were FALSE.

i'm curious why you feel like MJ should be left alone right now........ I would hope his death will save thousands. and i hope the dr's are charged and found guilty. The only one that did this to MJ is MJ......MOO

and the coroner said SOME of it was false...........

[*Serenity*]

Why don't you email them?

I'm busy with gravely ill family members. I'm not able to catch every utterance from news.

Hmmm... not sure why the finger wagging is going on.... I just ask a question, and not a snarky one at all. However, I will go to the CNN site and google for further information.


:)

Maybe you are tired tonight- I wasn't questioning you, just what CNN had to say.

-peace-

[*Serenity*]

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Yes, i understood your post. U r accusing the poster of doing the same thing that youre doing. No matter what, everyone will have their own opinion........and it is what it is. jmo


Take your issues up with Coldwater okay.... I read her posts, stickies, and follow her rules, not yours.

[*Serenity*]

i'm curious why you feel like MJ should be left alone right now........ I would hope his death will save thousands. and i hope the dr's are charged and found guilty. The only one that did this to MJ is MJ......MOO

and the coroner said SOME of it was false...........


I am following the posts placed in the forum from Coldwater.
I read her posts and her stickies... maybe the board should be asking her these questions instead of me.

:)

[tinkerbell]

Hi all, I just logged on and haven't read the previous posts and replies yet. I'm watching LK's interview with Dr. Klein; I watched portions of Dr. Klein's interview this morning with Diane Sawyer.

My "hinky" meter goes off; while listening, anyone else feel this way?

[FallenAngel♥]

I am following the posts placed in the forum from Coldwater.
I read her posts and her stickies... maybe the board should be asking her these questions instead of me.

:)

what post are you talking about? i must have missed it. and i was just asking why YOU felt like we should leave MJ alone not CW.

[4Life]

Yes and yes.

You have solid proof that MJ molested children? I would love to see this fact

TIA

[*Serenity*]

---------------

oops..............i must have hit a nerve.
No- not all....:)
You just fail to read what the adminstrator posts and attack
the wrong person. In the beginning of MJ's death we were
warned to NOT rehash the trial. The other posts are still
around if you do a search.

[FallenAngel♥]

Hi all, I just logged on and haven't read the previous posts and replies yet. I'm watching LK's interview with Dr. Klein; I watched portions of Dr. Klein's interview this morning with Diane Sawyer.

My "hinky" meter goes off; while listening, anyone else feel this way?

ohhhhhh i feel the same way.

[tinkerbell]

ohhhhhh i feel the same way.

Listening to both interviews, he seems to have a dry mouth in addition to "wandering" eyes, and slurred words....

moo

[Hanalei]

Nope he admitted that he shared he bed with many kids and that he would allow his kids to sleep with other adults.And he did sleep in the bed with the 2005 accuser. What a saw in this interview is that MJ said that when he was little he slept in bed with adults but he never said who? I wonder if something happened to him when he was little? Back then pedophiles weren't outted as much as they are now.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/12/28/60minutes/main590381.shtml




Well technically, if I remember correctly, MJ never admitted to sleeping with little boys. He claimed he slept on the floor and gave the kids the bed when it was time to sleep.

[*Serenity*]

what post are you talking about? i must have missed it. and i was just asking why YOU felt like we should leave MJ alone not CW.


Rehashing the trial and all the pedophile/molestation garbage is NOT discussing anything except the trial all over again. We were warned very early on about this. The other posts are still around here, search Coldwater's posts, they should be there for you.

[4Life]

Is there another thread (I can't find) where we can discuss his death and what's known thru news regarding it? I'd appreciate it if you could direct me to it.

Hi
No one said his death and news regarding it can't be discussed. People are trashing him, calling him names and bringing up issues of the court trials he was involved in. That is over and he was found not guilty. This is now about his death

[tinkerbell]

His answers about whether he is the bio dad were evasive and it wasn't surprising that he said he had once donated sperm. Glad Larry caught that.

What did y'all think about Klein's role in supplying drugs?

imo

I think he supplied prescription drugs to MJ. Whether or not he did so in an illegal way, IDK...

moo

[FallenAngel♥]

Rehashing the trial and all the pedophile/molestation garbage is NOT discussing anything except the trial all over again. We were warned very early on about this. The other posts are still around here, search Coldwater's posts, they should be there for you.

Oh i don't want to talk about any of that .. I just want to talk about his drug addiction and stuff like that.

[4Life]

Rehashing the trial and all the pedophile/molestation garbage is NOT discussing anything except the trial all over again. We were warned very early on about this. The other posts are still around here, search Coldwater's posts, they should be there for you.

Exactly, this is not what this thread is about, and CW did warn us ALL

[*Serenity*]

snipped for clarity>



you had the source


Yes... it was posted that CNN covered this tonight, and I ask if CNN happenend to mention their source of this news broadcast? A leak?
An official report from the cororner? Unknown source? Or just a blanket broadcast without mentioning where they obtained the information.

I am searching for the information, and I will email CNN -- not that I think they will take the time to respond, but worth a try. :)

[FallenAngel♥]

I think he supplied prescription drugs to MJ. Whether or not he did so in an illegal way, IDK...

moo

and don't forget he's not sure if he's the childrens father or not :scared:

[tinkerbell]

Just watching Dr Klein (on LKL) watching as Paris made her statement at the memorial yesterday; he looks like someone just stabbed him in the heart.


moo

[tinkerbell]

and don't forget he's not sure if he's the childrens father or not :scared:

After watching his interviews, there's no doubt in my mind that he is the bio dad...

moo

[FallenAngel♥]

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He also said he would take a DNA test if asked.

uh huh...i thought to myself hmmmm if you didn't donate your "dna" how in the world would it be possible. I wonder if MJ asked more then one person to donate.

[4Life]

Just watching Dr Klein (on LKL) watching as Paris made her statement at the memorial yesterday; he looks like someone just stabbed him in the heart.


moo

Everyone felt that way and looked that way when she spoke
News reporters admitted to crying and feeling that way when she spoke

[*Serenity*]

Oh i don't want to talk about any of that .. I just want to talk about his drug addiction and stuff like that.

I understand it to be current events with MJ's death and Memorial.
So his death, anything pertaining to how he died, the players involved, the child custody, court proceedings now, the will , etc.

The old trial, pedophile, molestor, etc. was NOT to be discussed, per CW or we would not have a forum to discuss anything at all.

[FallenAngel♥]

After watching his interviews, there's no doubt in my mind that he is the bio dad...

moo

Yep i agree.

[tinkerbell]

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He also said he would take a DNA test if asked.

I believe him that he would take a test. Under CA law, MJ is the father because he was married to DR when she gave birth.

DNA tests at this point are not important, legally.

moo

[*Serenity*]

Exactly, this is not what this thread is about, and CW did warn us ALL

Thank You...........!!!!!

[Hanalei]

Wow! I'm not a huge MJ fan but that Andrea Peyser was harsh. I thought the memorial was over the top but that's how MJ would want it. Parts of me feel bad for MJ and parts of me blame him for the mess he got himself in and now his kids don't have a father.


Nor can I. Thankfully, these posts are not necessarily indicative of the entire country. Here's another column by Andrea Peyser, a very well known columnist in New York City:

"Excess Rites Are All Wrong for Sicko Freak"



http://www.nypost.com/seven/07082009/news/columnists/excess_rites_all_wrong_for_sicko_freak__178124.htm

[4Life]

You gotta be kidding me. You can't have an honest discussion about MJ without mentioning what you think is unmentionable. People have very strong opinions about him - both ways. You can't deny thirty years of reports about Michael Jackson. To do so is creating a biased, one-sided board.

imo

Um excuse me, it was not the posters rules it was CWs
You don't like it, pm her

[tinkerbell]

Dr Klein seems to be advocating for DR to have custody of the children. Hummm, that would give the good doctor easy access to the children...

moo

[*Serenity*]

You gotta be kidding me. You can't have an honest discussion about MJ without mentioning what you think is unmentionable. People have very strong opinions about him - both ways. You can't deny thirty years of reports about Michael Jackson. To do so is creating a biased, one-sided board.

imo


You need to send this post to the one in charge that is the decision maker, and that is not me. :)

[FallenAngel♥]

I understand it to be current events with MJ's death and Memorial.
So his death, anything pertaining to how he died, the players involved, the child custody, court proceedings now, the will , etc.

The old trial, pedophile, molestor, etc. was NOT to be discussed, per CW or we would not have a forum to discuss anything at all.

good because i don't want to talk about that old stuff.

[Unperson1984]

Listening to both interviews, he seems to have a dry mouth in addition to "wandering" eyes, and slurred words....

moo

My first thought was that I wouldn't trust him operating on my face.


:ohmy:

[4Life]

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also..........i caught where he says he would go to MJ's house and MJ and the kids would go to his house. sounds a lil more than a dr/patient relationship. jmo

What is wrong with that? A a person can't have a friend who is a dr and is their dr? His other dr was his friend for years before he became MJs dr. I have a friend that has been my friend for 8 years and now he is not only my friend but my dr. We go to each others homes for dinners, BBQs etc....

[tinkerbell]

CW is a wonderful moderator. She would never say that unless posters like you complained to her.

Your posts are so controlling! OMG!OMG!

imo

Good grief! You and serenity should consider getting a room, alone.

Enough already

moo

[4Life]

CW is a wonderful moderator. She would never say that unless posters like you complained to her.

Your posts are so controlling! OMG!OMG!

imo

You want to bet?
She made a a post about this when MJ died and she made it again yesterday

And you're posts are so distasteful and show no repsect

[Hanalei]

If he wants the tabloids to leave him alone then he should. But if he is the father I bet he won't


I believe him that he would take a test. Under CA law, MJ is the father because he was married to DR when she gave birth.

DNA tests at this point are not important, legally.

moo

[*Serenity*]

good because i don't want to talk about that old stuff.


:)

I totally agree with you 100%
Rehashing the trial and the old garbage is NOT going to change anyone's opinion and the pages will keep rolling on the old trial all over again.

I am waiting to find additional news about the autopsy floating around.
AND I am hoping the second autopsy will be revealed as well, which I'm not so sure the family will share that information. We still don't know for certain if Michael was buried, at least I haven't read or heard any new updates, except he was possibly buried or cremated the night before the memorial. :shrug:

[4Life]

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apparently u didnt understand my post.Trust me, I understood what you were hinting at

[CinderL.]

Dr. Klein was on LKL tonight. He was treating MJ for lupus which had caused the vitilago(sp).

Lupus does not cause vitligo.

[4Life]

4Life, I don't want to copy & paste your post regarding things the moderator is said to have told people not to discuss.

If people make such posts, why don't you just not reply to them?

I didn't do any of those things you talk about that the moderator's said to have told people not to talk about. I just got here. Tried to post a link to and briefly discuss what's been in TODAY'S NEWS on television CNN, Fox, MSNBC and what I see is some admonishing others for posting a link or source about TODAY'S NEWS regarding Michael Jackson's death and telling others to goto other forums if they want to discuss today's news regarding Michael Jackson's death.

So, that's why I asked if there was a link where we could discuss Michael Jackson's death. Because I'm not here to step on anyone's toes but I did come here to briefly discuss today's news regarding Michael Jackson's death.

Oh, I know you didn't
I was just replying to you since you asked about what can be discussed and where

[tinkerbell]

Lupus does not cause vitligo.

And since when does a dermotologist treat lupus and facial rebuilding?

moo

[Hanalei]

ITA! Posters on here should not remind us about going off topic because the people that keep reminding everyone else is doing it too!

Can someone start a MJ current event thread because the Memorial has been talked to death there is nothing new to talk about that hasn't been posted.



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I have seen u jump in yourself on this subject. So maybe u should take your own advice?

[4Life]

:)

I totally agree with you 100%
Rehashing the trial and the old garbage is NOT going to change anyone's opinion and the pages will keep rolling on the old trial all over again.

I am waiting to find additional news about the autopsy floating around.
AND I am hoping the second autopsy will be revealed as well, which I'm not so sure the family will share that information. We still don't know for certain if Michael was buried, at least I haven't read or heard any new updates, except he was possibly buried or cremated the night before the memorial. :shrug:

Do you know how much longer until the reports are released?

[*Serenity*]

4Life, I don't want to copy & paste your post regarding things the moderator is said to have told people not to discuss.

If people make such posts, why don't you just not reply to them?

I didn't do any of those things you talk about that the moderator's said to have told people not to talk about. I just got here. Tried to post a link to and briefly discuss what's been in TODAY'S NEWS on television CNN, Fox, MSNBC and what I see is some admonishing others for posting a link or source about TODAY'S NEWS regarding Michael Jackson's death and telling others to goto other forums if they want to discuss today's news regarding Michael Jackson's death.

So, that's why I asked if there was a link where we could discuss Michael Jackson's death. Because I'm not here to step on anyone's toes but I did come here to briefly discuss today's news regarding Michael Jackson's death.


I did not admonish your link... it was from out of the country repeating the tabloid the sun dated June 29th. I appreciate your updates, and links and know when I read your posts you have
the facts. I was curious where CNN got the info, that's it.

I'm outta here....

[4Life]

The new thread for Thurs 7/9 has been opened

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=13267141#post13267141

[CinderL.]

The internet offers hundreds of places that are discussing all the rumors, and allegations that you are looking for, so you really don't have to wait awhile. :)

Serenity, in all fairness, this website is a crime, court site. Not a memorial, fanclub site. Many people come here, and have for years, to discuss the issues surrounding to cases. Not to idolize people. There are other places for fan sites. I try to get along with everyone, but trying to turn a crime site into a fan club is getting old. I don't like stepping on eggshells. If this is going to turn into a MJ fan club, where nothing but great things can be said about this man, then yes I will find somewhere else to discuss the issues surrounding his untimely death, the children....etc.

[ScoobyDoo]

ITA! Posters on here should not remind us about going off topic because the people that keep reminding everyone else is doing it too!

Can someone start a MJ current event thread because the Memorial has been talked to death there is nothing new to talk about that hasn't been posted.


No one is stopping you. Go for it.

[tinkerbell]

That Doctor was quite full of himself. Does Doctor-Patient Confidentiality cease when the patient dies?
And why did he keep looking in another direction when answering certain questions?

Weird if ya ask me.

Pattycake, a new thread has opened:

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/sh...1#post13267141

[CinderL.]

No- not all....:)
You just fail to read what the adminstrator posts and attack
the wrong person. In the beginning of MJ's death we were
warned to NOT rehash the trial. The other posts are still
around if you do a search.

Serenity, if you read back on all of the posts of this thread, you will see that every time someone said, OK, we won't talk about the trial, someone from the MJ camp started it up again. I don't have a dog in that fight, because I didn't care about the trial, didn't follow it. I have no opinion if he was guilty or not. I don't care. But, read from the beginning and you will see what I am saying.

[MiamiNice1]

:)

I totally agree with you 100%
Rehashing the trial and the old garbage is NOT going to change anyone's opinion and the pages will keep rolling on the old trial all over again.

I am waiting to find additional news about the autopsy floating around.
AND I am hoping the second autopsy will be revealed as well, which I'm not so sure the family will share that information. We still don't know for certain if Michael was buried, at least I haven't read or heard any new updates, except he was possibly buried or cremated the night before the memorial. :shrug:
Serenity, I just wanted to comment that this is a message board, not intended to change anyone's mind - it is intended for people to give their opinions.

This is a very controversial subject and everyone's opinions should be welcomed and should be respected - whether they agree with you or not. This is what makes this a great place to post.

IMO

[CinderL.]

And since when does a dermotologist treat lupus and facial rebuilding?

moo

I have no idea. He would treat Vitiligo. His old acne scars, not the other things. Lupus would not be treated by dermatologist, it is an autoimmune deficiency. IMO

[CinderL.]

I don't believe that either. people digging their heels in and denying reality make the things they say about him all the more thought-provoking. Maybe that's their newfound marketing strategy so they can keep the interest going, so they can make money off of him similar to elvis. who knows.

I have family with vitiligo. We all believe, and the Dr.'s we have talked to it is hereditary, and would have nothing to do with Lupus. At least, none of my family that has vitiligo, has lupus.

[CinderL.]

That Doctor was quite full of himself. Does Doctor-Patient Confidentiality cease when the patient dies?
And why did he keep looking in another direction when answering certain questions?

Weird if ya ask me.

How his eyes went off to the side? Only on certain questions. That was strange.

[Hanalei]

The doctor could have been treating him for lupus but not facial rebuilding

Cutaneous Lupus Erythematosus

Cutaneous refers to the skin, and this form of lupus is limited to the skin. Although there are many types of rashes and lesions (sores) caused by cutaneous lupus, the most common rash is raised, scaly and red, but not itchy. It is commonly known as a discoid rash, because the areas of rash are shaped like disks, or circles. Another common example of cutaneous lupus is a rash over the cheeks and across the bridge of the nose, known as the butterfly rash. Other rashes or sores may appear on the face, neck, or scalp (areas of the skin that are exposed to sunlight or fluorescent light), or in the mouth, nose, or vagina. Hair loss and changes in the pigment, or color, of the skin are also symptoms of cutaneous lupus.

Approximately 10 percent of people who have cutaneous lupus will develop systemic lupus. However, it is likely that these people already had systemic lupus, with the skin rash as their main symptom.


http://www.lupus.org/webmodules/webarticlesnet/templates/new_learnunderstanding.aspx?articleid=2234&zoneid=523



And since when does a dermotologist treat lupus and facial rebuilding?

moo

[Unperson1984]

How his eyes went off to the side? Only on certain questions. That was strange.

Made me think his lawyer was off camera signaling advice about which questions to answer.

[AlbertT]

How his eyes went off to the side? Only on certain questions. That was strange.

Probably listening to his earbud transmission........I would be, if I were him:blushing:

[thecallup]

Strange - but I do think doctor/patient confidentiality applies even after the patient has died. Maybe they got a signed release from the family?

imo

Maybe they got a begging letter from the family.

[AlohaRainbow]

And since when does a dermotologist treat lupus and facial rebuilding?

moo

dr klein was referring to injectable fillers (such as collagen, fat, restylane etc) re facial rebuilding

if you do a pubmed search ( http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez )for him as the author (using "klein aw") he seems to have authored and/or co-authored multiple medical journal articles about fillers and botox

[mrsmcgoo]

Although I didn't get to hear the report, CNN was stating that the family was desparate to get MJ the help he needed for the drugs in the last years of his life.

I am hoping there will be a link later to see what they have uncovered.

JMO

[GentleBreeze]

They are not fully grown either and will still change. She is their mother.
jmo

I never said she wasn't the woman who birthed them. They do not favor her, neither one. I don't believe they can change their features that much, where they would favor her.

imo

[Meridian]

Is there a way that I can print out these pages, 1 at a time?

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusive...emorial-progam

TIA

[GentleBreeze]

My question above wasn't about MJ, but thanks for trying to answer. :) I figured the above is the position you are taking on MJ.

I am failing to see the relevance between OJ and MJ other than they were both black men.

I dont think anyone has to believe just one way about all cases, do they?

I never for one minute thought MJ to be a child molester, however; I have always believed OJ to be a double murderer.:shrug:

[Meridian]

Do you have a tool bar? Mine has a tab that says "page" if you click on it ...it will say print page.

or....where it says print ....select "range"

hope this helps
Let me try that. Thanks.

[GentleBreeze]

The doctor could have been treating him for lupus but not facial rebuilding

Cutaneous Lupus Erythematosus

Cutaneous refers to the skin, and this form of lupus is limited to the skin. Although there are many types of rashes and lesions (sores) caused by cutaneous lupus, the most common rash is raised, scaly and red, but not itchy. It is commonly known as a discoid rash, because the areas of rash are shaped like disks, or circles. Another common example of cutaneous lupus is a rash over the cheeks and across the bridge of the nose, known as the butterfly rash. Other rashes or sores may appear on the face, neck, or scalp (areas of the skin that are exposed to sunlight or fluorescent light), or in the mouth, nose, or vagina. Hair loss and changes in the pigment, or color, of the skin are also symptoms of cutaneous lupus.

Approximately 10 percent of people who have cutaneous lupus will develop systemic lupus. However, it is likely that these people already had systemic lupus, with the skin rash as their main symptom.


http://www.lupus.org/webmodules/webarticlesnet/templates/new_learnunderstanding.aspx?articleid=2234&zoneid=523

Thank you for the information.

Very interesting.

imo

[Brattnt]

New thread!....:seeya:

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=355907&page=4

[Meridian]

Darn it ... I can't get a printable version! :cursing:

[GentleBreeze]

New thread!....:seeya:

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=355907&page=4

LOL! I am getting confused.

This one needs to be closed.

imo