Tuesday July 7, Michael Jackson Memorial thread

[ScoobyDoo]

Who do you think goes into drug rehab if it isn't drug addicts?

MJ had to cancel the end of his Dangerous World Tour to go into drug rehab for several months... He was addicted to painkillers, Valium, Ativan and Xanax.... Painkillers are not intended to be prescribed for sleep disorders... Valium is used in the management of anxiety disorders. Xanax is used to treat moderate to severe anxiety disorders, panic attacks, and is used as an adjunctive treatment for anxiety associated with moderate depression. Ativan may be prescribed for short term treatment of insomnia particularly in the presence of severe anxiety. Ativan is also used for acute seizures...

Ativan if used to keep my daughter asleep for 3-4 days at a time, but it doesn't come easily. We usually have to fight with the er doctors to give the appropriate treatment.

[VC2]

Huh. Well guess my old memory is not as good as it used to be. I thought she offered some kind of support.

she did. At the very least they were keeping in touch by phone.

As far as the last few years he wasn't even in the US but people don't always see each other in person when lives get busy. Trump said he last talked to Michael a year ago, but hadn't seen him for a few years..however they kept in touch

[MoonHarvest]

Additional Memorial Photos


Awww..... little Blanket looks soooo sad...!! :(


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/07/michael-jacksons-kids-pri_n_227210.html

Look how he is carrying a little Michael Jackson dolly with him.:sad:

[*Serenity*]

Look how he is carrying a little Michael Jackson dolly with him.:sad:

The one photo looks like he has TWO... one in each hand.
Heart breaking.. he just looks so sad, and lost in a sense.
He is a lot younger than the other two, so he is probably
really confused right now. Poor Baby.... :(

[Tracian]

Do any of you all remember the Jackson Five saturday morning cartoons?

[Tracian]

she did. At the very least they were keeping in touch by phone.

As far as the last few years he wasn't even in the US but people don't always see each other in person when lives get busy. Trump said he last talked to Michael a year ago, but hadn't seen him for a few years..however they kept in touch


Brooke looked really broken up. I hope she can spend time with the children, and tell them funny stories about Michael.

[MoonHarvest]

The one photo looks like he has TWO... one in each hand.
Heart breaking.. he just looks so sad, and lost in a sense.
He is a lot younger than the other two, so he is probably
really confused right now. Poor Baby.... :(

I agree Serenity being so young he is probably very lost right now, poor little tyke. I like all of us hope they find their way~so sad to be without your parent for the rest of your life.

[CHITCHAT]

i was trying to find the words to the song "smile" anyone know where I can look? or do you know them? I looked under song lyrics but no luck.

[MoonHarvest]

i was trying to find the words to the song "smile" anyone know where I can look? or do you know them? I looked under song lyrics but no luck.


Smile, though your heart is aching
smile even though it's breaking
when there are clouds in the sky,
you'll get by
if your smile thru your fear and sorrow
smile and maybe tomorrow
you'll see the sun come shining thru for you

Light up your face with gladness
hide every trace of sadness
although a tear may be ever so near
that's the time you must keep on trying
smile, what's the use of crying
you'll find that life is still worthwhile
if you just smile

That's the time you must keep on trying
smile, what's the use of crying
you'll find that life is still worthwhile
if you just smile

[VC2]

I am so sad for those children. I hope they find a safe harbor and a chance for a happy, normal life. I wish them well.

kellabeck, after seeing the grace and dignity with which they handled this memorial i am sure they will have a happy sort of normal life. The adults around them are did a superb job and so long as a certain granddad doesn't call the shots (and i dont think he will be able to when it comes to the kids, his sons would stand up) they will be surrounded by love even from their granddad.

To be honest i expected more of a cicrcus like atmosphere, not in the negative sense but its just MJ in some ways and so many memorials go to far or for that matter not far enough. I think its great they brought the casket with MJ to staples but hid it from the media until this morning.

It was a very very special afternoon for me, for so many reasons including actually seeing how those kids are loved. Plus the rest of the tribute.

who asked if there was an award for something like a tribute? Don't know but at the least i think it should go into some sort of live documentary category for arrangement and scoring.

[4Life]

Do any of you all remember the Jackson Five saturday morning cartoons?

This?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJw_MIsjyU0

[Tracian]

yes!

and the cartoon had that little stupid bird that hung out with them, remember?

how many cut out their cardboard copy of "ABC" from the back of the Alpha Bits cereal box?


Yeppers! It was the Jackson five, and then the brady bunch cartoon..

Good times, eating sugary cereal, and watching toons!!!

[*Serenity*]

i was trying to find the words to the song "smile" anyone know where I can look? or do you know them? I looked under song lyrics but no luck.

Smile Lyrics

http://www.elyrics.net/read/m/michael-jackson-lyrics/smile-lyrics.html


Also -- you can find almost all his song lyrics here and ringtones.

[LordMisRule]

Jermaine told Larry King he would love for MJ to be at Neverland but said that probably wouldn't happen. I wish he were buried at Neverland. I wonder where he is right now.................

One thing I don't understand is: Michael Jackson swore he would never go back to Neverland after the trial because it was tainted by the warrant searches and the trial itself. So, why would his family think that this is where he would want to end up?

[Tracian]

This?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJw_MIsjyU0


That brought a smile, thanks!

[4Life]

yes!

and the cartoon had that little stupid bird that hung out with them, remember?

how many cut out their cardboard copy of "ABC" from the back of the Alpha Bits cereal box?

I found the one with the snake and Diana Ross but not the bird

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-YG2NJcnAI

[Unperson1984]

usually when they open a Presidential library they get the permits then for burial just in case the President decides to be buried there.

And presidential libraries are government land, not private.

[Tracian]

I found the one with the snake and Diana Ross but not the bird

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-YG2NJcnAI


I saw the mice too...

I think that crazy bird was the brady bunch cartoon.

[FallenAngel♥]

One thing I don't understand is: Michael Jackson swore he would never go back to Neverland after the trial because it was tainted by the warrant searches and the trial itself. So, why would his family think that this is where he would want to end up?

IMO at one time Neverland was the greatest place on earth for MJ and maybe his family want him to feel that happiness again.

[MoonHarvest]

I live in CA and that means we are going to have to foot the bill for this memorial? Great! We are already paying for Octomom's bill:rolleyes:

I live in California too, don't mind a bit. The service was quite healing, imo. I think we may recoup the cost in other ways, eventually.

[4Life]

Brooke looked really broken up. I hope she can spend time with the children, and tell them funny stories about Michael.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24_nBMO_4Ug

[MoonHarvest]

One thing I don't understand is: Michael Jackson swore he would never go back to Neverland after the trial because it was tainted by the warrant searches and the trial itself. So, why would his family think that this is where he would want to end up?

If they do, perhaps because at his core he loved that place. And what it stood for represented him well.

[Suburban]

Los Angeles wants Jackson fans to donate to pay for memorial service costs


Associated Press

Updated: 07/07/2009 10:19:19 AM PDT


The city of Los Angeles has set up a Web site to allow Michael Jackson fans to help pay public costs for his Staples Center memorial service.

Mayor's office spokesman Matt Szabo says the site launched Tuesday is linked to a PayPal account where donors can help defray the expected millions of dollars in costs with tax- deductible credit-card contributions.

The Web page reads: "Help the City of Angels provide the extraordinary public safety resources required to give Michael the safe, orderly and respectful memorial he deserves."

Numerous law enforcement officers and fire department resources have been involved in Jackson family motorcades through the city and in guarding a wide perimeter around Staples Center.

[ScoobyDoo]

Not in Calif.


President Nixon is buried at his childhood home, located in Yorba Linda, California.

[CHITCHAT]

Moon harvest....you are amazing. you are absolutely the bomb !!! I dont care what everyone says about you. I am amazied that just like that you came up with the words to "Smile". Wow, howd you do that? I'm going to frame it and put it by my desk. It has always been one of my favorites.

[4Life]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ds0UmXILwsQ

What an amazing voice from this little kid

[4Life]

did the Jackson's have any wacky animals, birds, long-lost cousins or anything on their cartoon?I'm sure they did but I don't remember

[Tracian]

I want to say that the bird's name was Merlin, and he was able to do magic things.


Yeah, that was the Brady Bunch...



Marlon (voiced by Larry Storch) was an intelligent, red talking mynah bird and also a wizard (complete with stereotypical wizard's cap) who used his magic to help the kids out of jams. Marlon was also notable for his method of flight: he spun his tailfeathers like a helicopter rotor rather than using his wings, which were instead used as hands, often for grand gestures as he cast spells.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Brady_Kids

[Unperson1984]

President Nixon is buried at his childhood home, located in Yorba Linda, California.

Which is part of the Presidential Library grounds, government land.

[MoonHarvest]

Moon harvest....you are amazing. you are absolutely the bomb !!! I dont care what everyone says about you. I am amazied that just like that you came up with the words to "Smile". Wow, howd you do that? I'm going to frame it and put it by my desk. It has always been one of my favorites.

I just about know the words by heart~ Thanks.

Hey, what does everyone say about me?:huh: Shouldn't be anything bad, imo:smile:


EDTA: or perhaps I might have a bit of a clue, which is why I can soooo identify with Mike Jackson. : ( Some folks can't see it and can never get it, their loss, in a very big way.

[ScoobyDoo]

Which is part of the Presidential Library grounds, government land.

It's nice there. Would that make it state or federal land?

[who_is_it]

OMG!!! I only could watch the beginning of the memorial, came home just now, browsed TMZ.... and saw his daughter. I started to cry, still cry... that was heartbreaking.

[True2Blues]

One thing I don't understand is: Michael Jackson swore he would never go back to Neverland after the trial because it was tainted by the warrant searches and the trial itself. So, why would his family think that this is where he would want to end up?

Unfortunately, I'm not sure that the family truly considered what MJ wanted, but rather what would be the most profitable thing to do. It's not nice, but they seem like a grasping bunch (except for Janet, who makes her own money).

[who_is_it]

I think the memorial had favorite moments for everyone. One of the truly extraordinary feats they pulled off with it. For those who wanted some religion, it was there, for those who wanted to remember the young michael it was there, for those who wanted music and dance it was there, for those who wanted to remind the world that rumors and allegations do not truth make, it was there. For those who wanted to see family, it was there. For those who wanted video and pictures, it was there. For those who wanted to celebrate his life, it was there. For those who wanted to mourn his passing, it was there. For those who wanted to do both..it was there.

imo

Who spoke such words?

[Tracian]

Correct me if I am wrong, anyone.

But Magic Johnson seemed to have left Joe Jackson out of his praises in regards to those raising the children?

Am I right? or was that wishful thinking on my part?

[4Life]

OMG!!! I only could watch the beginning of the memorial, came home just now, browsed TMZ.... and saw his daughter. I started to cry, still cry... that was heartbreaking.I think the E channel is re airing it tonight at 730 tonight or is it tomorrow? Not sure but it will be airing on MTV and E all this week

[VC2]

If they do, perhaps because at his core he loved that place. And what it stood for represented him well.

He did. he could have sold it, but always fought to keep it. He essentially deeded over the majority to consortium that planned to work with him to get it going again but kept his 24%

He was going to go back. IMO soon as the tour was over.

[VC2]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ds0UmXILwsQ

What an amazing voice from this little kid

I liked how Ortega brought him back to the podium when he walked off stage, and gave him a shout out explaining who he was and that MJ wanted him to join him in concert in London.

[MoonHarvest]

He did. he could have sold it, but always fought to keep it. He essentially deeded over the majority to consortium that planned to work with him to get it going again but kept his 24%

He was going to go back. IMO soon as the tour was over.

As well he should have VC2, and make that place even more memorable.

[who_is_it]

The truth is now coming forth now.

It has been a long time coming but it is better late than never.

Like posted above I just watched the beginning of the live stream, now the video of Paris on TMZ

Yes, Ocean, the truth will come forth step by step... Now Paris... but also even Bashir made a little step (big step for him). I firmly believe that sooner or later one of those who accused him with wrong allegations will come forward, too. Once in the future life will be unkind and cruel to them, too, and maybe then they realize how much they've hurt Michael Jackson.

[VC2]

Who spoke such words?

Representative Lee (Democrat) from Texas did essentially telling King to STFU

Al Sharpton did mildly, told the kids anyone who says your daddy was strange, he wasn't, the world around him was strange but he dealt with it

[MoonHarvest]

Representative Lee (Democrat) from Texas did essentially telling King to STFU

Al Sharpton did mildly, told the kids anyone who says your daddy was strange, he wasn't, the world around him was strange but he dealt with it

Al Sharpton NEVER spoke more true words imo. (cheers)

[who_is_it]

I think the E channel is re airing it tonight at 730 tonight or is it tomorrow? Not sure but it will be airing on MTV and E all this week

Thanx for letting me know. I'm from Europe but will watch it tomorrow. Someone posted before that it's on CNN on demand. Furthermore parts of it will be on youtube, I guess.

[4Life]

Thanx for letting me know. I'm from Europe but will watch it tomorrow. Someone posted before that it's on CNN on demand. Furthermore parts of it will be on youtube, I guess.

I posted some highlights on the links thread

[who_is_it]

Representative Lee (Democrat) from Texas did essentially telling King to STFU

Al Sharpton did mildly, told the kids anyone who says your daddy was strange, he wasn't, the world around him was strange but he dealt with it

Thanx, will watch it tomorrow.

[who_is_it]

I posted some highlights on the links thread

Oh, that's nice you saved it for everybody here! Thanx!

:rose:

[*Serenity*]

Most of this is chat between posters today and I'm going to let it go as it's like being there and wanting to share feelings with friends. I WILL NOT allow any derogatory posts, either about M.J. or other posters on here. This is to be determined a Memorial Thread and therefore deserves respect. M.J. nor his family are in a position to refute any nasty or bashing posts so treat it as a member of your family being memorialized.

If you don't like him, fine, then DON'T POST HERE. I'm sure there are many boards who would welcome you, we don't, we dignify the person at a time like this and expect you too also.

I personally have never been a fan, but it's a generation thing, I love Bing Crosby and Perry Como and Tom Jones, however I would never insult anyone that could hurt his/her family in any way at a sorrowful time as this. Remember they loved him.

Thank you for understanding and your cooperation.


Worth repeating for anyone that missed this from earlier.

[VC2]

Al Sharpton NEVER spoke more true words imo. (cheers)

i don't have a lot of time for al sharpton but today he was magnificent.

[MoonHarvest]

i don't have a lot of time for al sharpton but today he was magnificent.

I feel the same way.

[Suburban]

I feel the same way.


It's almost like when he's supposed to come through....he does.

[ScoobyDoo]

IMO a drug addict is a drug addict...there is no difference between someone that abuses meth or prescription medicine.

It's like an alcoholic claiming they're not because they only drink beer:rolleyes:


Its not exactly the same. A meth addict is breaking the law, a prescription addict isn't, as long as the doctor continues to prescribe.

[4Life]

Representative Lee (Democrat) from Texas did essentially telling King to STFU



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VLQq_EUdVA

Congresswoman Sheila Jackson-Lee (D-TX) eulogizes Michael Jackson and says that he is "innocent until proven otherwise". She also introduced Resolution 600, dedicated to the King of Pop.

[MoonHarvest]

It's almost like when he's supposed to come through....he does.


Thank goodness, because imo, somebody sure needed to.

[Unperson1984]

It's nice there. Would that make it state or federal land?

Depends on when the library was established. The law was changed in 1955 and again in 1986.

The Presidential Libraries Act of 1955 provided that the National Archives and the National Park Service would maintain the libraries and grounds and would fund professional archivists to take care of and catalog all Presidential papers. These libraries are supervised by their own governing boards and library staffs. The Presidential Libraries Act of 1986 provided that George Bush and his successors would have to use private funds to operate as well as build their Presidential libraries.

[ScoobyDoo]

Depends on when the library was established. The law was changed in 1955 and again in 1986.

The Presidential Libraries Act of 1955 provided that the National Archives and the National Park Service would maintain the libraries and grounds and would fund professional archivists to take care of and catalog all Presidential papers. These libraries are supervised by their own governing boards and library staffs. The Presidential Libraries Act of 1986 provided that George Bush and his successors would have to use private funds to operate as well as build their Presidential libraries.


hmm.. interesting. Thanks for all that info, and Unperson, I am sorry for the recent loss of your Mother.
:rose:

[4Life]

Al Sharpton did mildly, told the kids anyone who says your daddy was strange, he wasn't, the world around him was strange but he dealt with it



Reverend Al Sharpton eulogizes Michael Jackson
At one point, he tells his family, "There was nothing strange about your daddy. It was strange what your daddy had to deal with, but he dealt with it."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MAKLq865bk

[TunaMelt]

Which is part of the Presidential Library grounds, government land.

And he was a president of the United States. I think when presidents want to be buried at their homes, they should be accomodated.

George Washington and Martha are right there at their home, Mount Vernon, too, side by side, buried.

But again, he was president of the United States, and Mount Vernon is now owned by the State of Virginia. I think.

At any rate, these were men who held the highest office in our country.
They deserve special privileges; they served their country in a monumental way.

[GentleBreeze]

I live in CA and that means we are going to have to foot the bill for this memorial? Great! We are already paying for Octomom's bill:rolleyes:

What bill? Even the acting Mayor said this morning that all the income for motels/hotels/flights/parking/restaurants and shopping being made will make it come out a wash or they can come out to the good. She mentioned she thinks there will be a private contributor that will give to the city.

imo

[trucrimegal]

Reverend Al Sharpton eulogizes Michael Jackson
At one point, he tells his family, "There was nothing strange about your daddy. It was strange what your daddy had to deal with, but he dealt with it."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MAKLq865bk


That really stood out to me too - I didn't dislike or really have any opinion of Sharpton -- but I thought that was a really nice thing to say.

[RootBeer]

I think the E channel is re airing it tonight at 730 tonight or is it tomorrow? Not sure but it will be airing on MTV and E all this week

SoapNetwork is showing it many times tonight also. I missed my Days of our Lives today. :angry:

[4Life]

SoapNetwork is showing it many times tonight also. I missed my Days of our Lives today. :angry:I heard Days was shown earlier today

[GentleBreeze]

OMG anyone watching CNN? Jeanie Most just slammed Sheppard Smith.:biggrin: Mocking everything he said before the memorial began and none of it came true. LOL! He said it was going to be a circus if it had anything to do with MJ.

I wonder if they watch CNN over at Fox?:tongueside:

[GentleBreeze]

Thankgod! too bad they didn't keep Al from there I had to change the channel when he was on.

Usually I don't watch Al much but today he was right on point and darn good.

I agreed with everything he said.

imo

[Unperson1984]

hmm.. interesting. Thanks for all that info, and Unperson, I am sorry for the recent loss of your Mother.
:rose:

Thank you.

[Cardinal]

Found the whole broadcast on MSNBC. Watching now, crying lots.

[trucrimegal]

Usually I don't watch Al much but today he was right on point and darn good.

I agreed with everything he said.

imo

Me too GB...

[GentleBreeze]

That really stood out to me too - I didn't dislike or really have any opinion of Sharpton -- but I thought that was a really nice thing to say.

I thought it was too. He said more or less the kids know the truth and their daddy wasn't the problem... it was the people out there that tried to make his life unbearable.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

I missed AMC, OLTL, GH. I don't mind. Paris touched my heart today. So did her brothers.

Those children are absolutely beautiful.

I would love to see some more family albums of them growing up with their daddy with them in the photos. I bet the Jackson family has loads of pictures. Hopefully they will share some of them with the public.

imo

[4Life]

Photo Gallery
Mourning Michael Jackson
38 photos

http://www.eonline.com/photos/gallery.jsp?galleryUUID=1332

[VC2]

Hey All!!..Whoa!! What a fabulous "Memorial"..it has taken me a few hours to catch up and see some of the UTube videos..I am so impressed with the class and dignity brought to that stage..Kudos to all who had a hand in putting this together...

I am so appreciative of all the kind, heartfelt words I have read here..as that is the way it should be!!! Sorry I have to miss this live..but reading the posts here, I was able to get the flavour and emotion of the moments..and for that TY all so much!!:thumbsup:

I like most of you shed a few tears, as I heard the pouring out of love for this man..MJ..Michael!! I think he deserved this, as I also believe that is all he really wanted from this world..and that was to be loved..

Michael...You were loved by many..and far more than you ever realized on this earth..Fans are one thing..and family you would expext..but to have your piers revere you to such high esteme..I am sure your spirit soured today!!

I also believe the three Children will do just fine...they seem so adoring of you and what you gave them..and for them to see how you touched the world.and have your children realize it..is yet another Good Thing!!

Thanks again everyone for giving me at least the sense that I was there:wub:

LMS

It has been a special day today, with lots of surprises to. Biggest one for me was Al Sharpton coming through with a wonderful eulogy and not trying to divide.

The CEO Randy Phillips said that they had always planned to have MJ's body there ever since they agreed to use staples center because Katherine wanted it to be a memorial not just a concert, but kept it absolutely under wraps until today.

[4Life]

Another reason the Jacksons may prefer Forest Lawn: Michael's maternal grandmother, Martha Bridges, is buried there.

http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b133031_where_will_michael_be_buried.html

[trucrimegal]

Those children are absolutely beautiful.

I would love to see some more family albums of them growing up with their daddy with them in the photos. I bet the Jackson family has loads of pictures. Hopefully they will share some of them with the public.

imo

I hope they do share some photos of the children with MJ. I really had never seen them before and Paris was so moving today -- I would loved to have seen some photos at the memorial of them and their Dad.

[Brattnt]

The Memorial was just beautiful...I'm so grateful to have been here with y'all...Thank you friends!...:wub:

[JHP]

I missed AMC, OLTL, GH. I don't mind. Paris touched my heart today. So did her brothers.

So sweet aren't they? I loved the picture of the littlest one with his white sock and black shoes. And the Michael doll half undressed. Very Precious!

[who_is_it]

I liked how Ortega brought him back to the podium when he walked off stage, and gave him a shout out explaining who he was and that MJ wanted him to join him in concert in London.

Just watched it.

I liked Ortega, Phillips, DiLeo and specially Holley already for what they've said in interviews after Michael's death. Though they're themselves in huge trouble they've spoken out in very dignified, sincere manner. Nice what Ortega said about "Staples Center": "This was our house."

[*Serenity*]

Hi all -- I was so emotionally drained had to leave for a bit.

I could have made my own book using those. :)

Is that the same you bought on ebay earlier?

[4Life]

The news just said that MJs memorial TV watchers may have come close Princess Dianas. Dianas service had 2 billion TV watchers and over 1 million outside her service

[ScoobyDoo]

[QUOTE=september;13262827]"the people"

snipped
QUOTE]


If you wish to continue expressing yourself in this manner, please start your own thread, so that you don't tarnish this memorial thread with your tarnished views. TIA

[who_is_it]

Maybe you could start your own thread to express your views on that topic. This is a memorial thread. TIA.

Since days I think the same. Freedom of speech... but everybody who still wants to discuss this topic shouldn't post these thoughts on a memorial thread but start a new, topic related thread.

[Joanne_NH]

MTV and E channel are airing it all week and weekend


Are they going to be playing it continuously all weekend? I had to work today and I wanted to watch it so badly. When I got home, I did see a clip of Paris speaking and it just broke my heart. I hope those kids are okay. Say what you want about Michael Jackson, his kids obviously adored him. It's so sad.....

[4Life]

Most of this is chat between posters today and I'm going to let it go as it's like being there and wanting to share feelings with friends. I WILL NOT allow any derogatory posts, either about M.J. or other posters on here. This is to be determined a Memorial Thread and therefore deserves respect. M.J. nor his family are in a position to refute any nasty or bashing posts so treat it as a member of your family being memorialized.

If you don't like him, fine, then DON'T POST HERE. I'm sure there are many boards who would welcome you, we don't, we dignify the person at a time like this and expect you too also.

I personally have never been a fan, but it's a generation thing, I love Bing Crosby and Perry Como and Tom Jones, however I would never insult anyone that could hurt his/her family in any way at a sorrowful time as this. Remember they loved him.

Thank you for understanding and your cooperation.

For those that were not here earlier, PLEASE READ

[Meridian]

Just in case some of you missed this link:

A Look at Michael Jackson’s Memorial Progam

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/07/look-michael-jackson%E2%80%99s-memorial-progam
Thanks. :thumbup:

[4Life]

Are they going to be playing it continuously all weekend? I had to work today and I wanted to watch it so badly. When I got home, I did see a clip of Paris speaking and it just broke my heart. I hope those kids are okay. Say what you want about Michael Jackson, his kids obviously adored him. It's so sad.....

I heard MTV is

I added some good clips from the event on the links thread

[ScoobyDoo]

They do? I thought cemeteries were public.


I'm quite certain that Forest Lawn is located on private property.

[RootBeer]

That did not look so good at the memorial. jmo

[KatieLady]

That did not look so good at the memorial. jmo

Maybe used it to calm them down? I know I did when my kids were young.

[4Life]

The Memorial is playing on E channel now

[Callie]

Michael Jackson was and is a brilliant shining super star. He was a true innocent with a pure heart. Thank you, Michael, for your awesome music and your global humanitarian good deeds. :rose:

[ScoobyDoo]

That did not look so good at the memorial. jmo


All I saw was three children grieving the loss of their father. Too bad you missed that part, because it was quite touching.

[*Serenity*]

Kenny Ortega on CNN just talking about how extremely close Paris was to her Daddy and she was one of Michael's biggest fans.


:(

[RootBeer]

All I saw was three children grieving the loss of their father. Too bad you missed that part, because it was quite touching.

Get real, I saw that part, but I also saw the kids chewing gum. It looked awful imo.

[PBJMOM4]

That did not look so good at the memorial. jmo

If that's the worst thing they did for 2 1/2 hours, that's not so bad at all considering the circumstances.

[RootBeer]

If that's the worst thing they did for 2 1/2 hours, that's not so bad at all considering the circumstances.

You are right, but it was the first thing I noticed. Jewing gum on tv just looks awful.

[flipflop]

Michael Jackson's kids are beautiful. IMO...model pretty.

[disneyfreak]

They do? I thought cemeteries were public.

All the cemeteries around here are private. One is owned by the Catholic Church and the other by a private association. The third is no longer in regular use and is owned by the Franciscan Friars.

[GentleBreeze]

TY VC2, I did catch a snippet of Al S. eulogy..and have to agree he moved the people..and must give him kudos for reminding everybody that Michael's differences made it possible to change the world.. and Michael did on many, many levels...

I think the song "Smile" by Jermaine was very heartfelt and appropriate..as I do think Michael had to do that most his life!

Paris, well..she just broke my heart!!What a sweetheart!!

As to bringing Michael there..I am glad they did..as it truly made this whole thing a MEMORIAL..and not just a tribute!! I also heard a few interviewed who attended, it wasnt until they saw Michael's Casket..they truly believed he was gone..So, being there surely helped many to move on, and accept it..(closure)


LMS

Larry King seemed very emotional about it. I think the casket brought it home for him. He said he had no idea they were bringing MJ there.

He was blown away at how beautiful it all was.

imo

[velvetbrown]

Get real, I saw that part, but I also saw the kids chewing gum. It looked awful imo.

Three children lost the only parent they ever had, are about to enter a horrendous nightmare over custody. I pray for them. They will question if they will be loved for their money (like their father was by Joe Jackson) or for themselves. You are a very small person to harp on gum chewing.

[GentleBreeze]

Get real, I saw that part, but I also saw the kids chewing gum. It looked awful imo.

I am glad they let the kids be kids.

imo

[VC2]

Kenny Ortega on CNN just talking about how extremely close Paris was to her Daddy and she was one of Michael's biggest fans.


:(

someone on JVM (btw it is ALMOST amusing, but bc of paris's words and how well balanced, age appropriate etc she was MJ is no longer a wobbling addict but perhaps a functioning one) was saying how Paris truly loved her dad and tried to take care of him. He had mentioned being over at the house before and how the kids loved him but not why. It turns out that it was bc cps was there to see if he was a fit dad. Paris would refuse to allow MJ to be alone, she wanted to protect her dad.

IMO

[who_is_it]

Reverend Al Sharpton eulogizes Michael Jackson
At one point, he tells his family, "There was nothing strange about your daddy. It was strange what your daddy had to deal with, but he dealt with it."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MAKLq865bk

Do you think it was staged when Paris stood up or do you believe she's really so mature that she understood the message he conveyed? (Imo with all what's behind it's a quite complex message - actually too difficult to be understood by a girl of her age.)

[Callie]

MJ's kids chewing gum
That did not look so good at the memorial. jmo

Some people can look at the most beautiful rose and still see a tiny speck of bee poop on one of the leaves.

[disneyfreak]

Get real, I saw that part, but I also saw the kids chewing gum. It looked awful imo.

That's the first think my roommate noticed. She leaned over and mentioned to me how our grandmother would kick our butt if we chewed gum in public like that, much less a memorial for a family member.

[Tracian]

That did not look so good at the memorial. jmo





Well, IMO, this is really a non issue. If the worse social faux pas is that the kids were chewing gum at the memorial for their father is reaching.

[GentleBreeze]

Michael Jackson was and is a brilliant shining super star. He was a true innocent with a pure heart. Thank you, Michael, for your awesome music and your global humanitarian good deeds. :rose:

Amen!

And even though dead now he will still give his money away to charities.

Awesome.

imo

[ScoobyDoo]

You are right, but it was the first thing I noticed. Jewing gum on tv just looks awful.

Its a good thing then that they were not there for the purpose of making an impression on you.

[who_is_it]

Kenny Ortega on CNN just talking about how extremely close Paris was to her Daddy and she was one of Michael's biggest fans.


:(

I still try to catch up..., I have to read the transcripts later...

[Meridian]

That did not look so good at the memorial. jmo

:rolleyes:

[4Life]

Do you think it was staged when Paris stood up or do you believe she's really so mature that she understood the message he conveyed? (Imo with all what's behind it's a quite complex message - actually too difficult to be understood by a girl of her age.)

I don't think it was staged at all
She seems to be a very smart girl (11 or 12) and very mature. Prince seems to be the same way

[Callie]

Do you think it was staged when Paris stood up or do you believe she's really so mature that she understood the message he conveyed? (Imo with all what's behind it's a quite complex message - actually too difficult to be understood by a girl of her age.)

Yes, I believe she's that mature.

[ScoobyDoo]

Where are you getting this info because it doesn't say that on the website.


Channel 5. Write to them if you have an issue with it.

[4Life]

People already selling a DVD copy of the memorial on ebay

[Tracian]

Do you think it was staged when Paris stood up or do you believe she's really so mature that she understood the message he conveyed? (Imo with all what's behind it's a quite complex message - actually too difficult to be understood by a girl of her age.)


I don't think it is that complex for a 11 year old girl to tell the world that she loved her daddy and he was the best.

These children, as reported on JVM, did in the past get interviewed by CPS; I don't think they were completely in the dark about the controversy surrounding their father.

[Callie]

Since when is manners considered bee poop.

Well, let's talk about manners. It would seem to me that someone who critizes children at their daddy's memorial is showing bad manners. Out of such a beautiful service that's all they had to say? Pitiful.

[*Serenity*]

I don't think it was staged at all
She seems to be a very smart girl (11 or 12)
Kenny Ortega, who was in charge of the entire event, stated that none of the memorial was staged, he didn't know if the family was going to speak or not, and he didn't think the children would be there.


I can't believe I am reading posts here degrading and picking on these children for chewing gum. I can't wrap my brain around people having opinions of how awful they looked for chewing gum, and MOST of all for not having respect for chewing gum in public. OMG..... just unbelievable--- seriously. This may be the beginning of the public picking apart every move they make, or anything they might say.
UNREAL

[RootBeer]

Well, IMO, this is really a non issue. If the worse social faux pas is that the kids were chewing gum at the memorial for their father is reaching.

I am not smacking the kids for this, the adults around them should of removed the gum from their mouthes.

I did not mean to make a huge case about this, just noticed how tacky it looked. imo

[ScoobyDoo]

Well, let's talk about manners. It would seem to me that someone who critizes children at their daddy's memorial is showing bad manners. Out of such a beautiful service that's all they had to say? Pitiful.


Agreed! !!!!

[Tracian]

I am not smacking the kids for this, the adults around them should of removed the gum from their mouthes.

I did not mean to make a huge case about this, just noticed how tacky it looked. imo

I just didn't think it mattered that much under the circumstances.

[4Life]

I am not smacking the kids for this, the adults around them should of removed the gum from their mouthes.

I did not mean to make a huge case about this, just noticed how tacky it looked. imo

Hi Root Beer,
No disrepect at all from me to you, but I think the last thing on anyones mind was kids having gum in their mouths. No one in that family had a dry eye during the entire show

[Tokyo Rose]

How would you even steal a body out of a mausoleum I thought they were sealed up?:confused:

I sure never heard that. As a matter of fact, he was moved to Graceland for the fans to visit and not because his body was almost stolen. jmo

[RootBeer]

I just didn't think it mattered that much under the circumstances.

I will let it be with this last post.

It was the first thing I noticed and I cannot help that I still think it was not right to be chewing gum at a memorial service, kid or no kid.

The end

[4Life]

Kenny Ortega, who was in charge of the entire event, stated that none of the memorial was staged, he didn't know if the family was going to speak or not, and he didn't think the children would be there.


I can't believe I am reading posts here degrading and picking on these children for chewing gum. I can't wrap my brain around people having opinions of how awful they looked for chewing gum, and MOST of all for not having respect for chewing gum in public. OMG..... just unbelievable--- seriously. This may be the beginning of the public picking apart every move they make, or anything they might say.
UNREAL

Hey I said I didn't think it was staged

[Meridian]

Who was the young lady on the last song who sang "Heal the World" with the kids?

[sunstar]

Well, IMO, this is really a non issue. If the worse social faux pas is that the kids were chewing gum at the memorial for their father is reaching.

I agree! I've only seen part of the memorial service since I was at work today and caught some of it when I was at lunch, but these three children just lost the only parent they've known, and if their worst offense while sitting there during a 3 hour public, televised memorial service is chewing gum, well, bless their hearts! MOO

[Ice Cycle]

They can wait if they really wanted to look how long it took James Brown to be buried and Anna Nicole Smith

http://www.tmz.com/2007/03/08/james-brown-still-dead-not-buried/2

Yes well what's to keep him from being stored at Neverland (just not buried) until the permit comes through.

[*Serenity*]

Hey I said I didn't think it was staged

I know... :) Kenny Ortega backed you up, because he didn't know either.

[Tracian]

I will let it be with this last post.

It was the first thing I noticed and I cannot help that I still think it was not right to be chewing gum at a memorial service, kid or no kid.

The end


And my last post about this:

I guess when it is your kids at a memorial service, you can enforce that; again, it is a non issue, that obviously is what their family thought, and really that is all that matters.

[4Life]

At the memorial service for Michael Jackson, Kenny Ortega - who planned the "This Is It" concert tour - called Staples Center "Michael's house."The show closes with a performance of "We Are The World" and "Heal The World".


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQTb_9ptDXY

[FallenAngel♥]

i'm really shocked Oprah wasn't there today................

[Callie]

I am not smacking the kids for this, the adults around them should of removed the gum from their mouthes.

I did not mean to make a huge case about this, just noticed how tacky it looked. imo

No, they shouldn't have removed the gum from their mouths. Maybe it helped them in some way.

If you didn't intend to make a case out of it why mention it at all. Now, that's tacky!

[4Life]

Who was the young lady on the last song who sang "Heal the World" with the kids? She is with some british choir or something. I forgot her name

[disneyfreak]

Yes well what's to keep him from being stored at Neverland (just not buried) until the permit comes through.

Cost. It is very expensive to build a refrigerated crypt to store a body.

[RootBeer]

i'm really shocked Oprah wasn't there today................

TMZ was talking about that tonight on their show.

[4Life]

I know... :) Kenny Ortega backed you up, because he didn't know either. Oh sorry and thank you

[Tokyo Rose]

Yes well what's to keep him from being stored at Neverland (just not buried) until the permit comes through.

I think he would have to be stored at a licensed funeral home. Anna Nicole Smith was store at the ME's office in Broward County, Florida and her son was stored at a mortuary in the Bahamas for over a month.

I heard MJ can be buried at Neverland, with a permit of course, if he is cremated and his ashes buried. Anyone else hear that?

[Callie]

I agree! I've only seen part of the memorial service since I was at work today and caught some of it when I was at lunch, but these three children just lost the only parent they've known, and if their worst offense while sitting there during a 3 hour public, televised memorial service is chewing gum, well, bless their hearts! MOO

YAAA, sunstar:thumbsup::beer:

[Meridian]

Hi Meridian :seeya:

I'm not sure specifically who she is but the singers were MJ's backup singers for the concert. The dancers also appeared on stage (according to Kenny Ortega)
Hey there! Thanks - and thanks to 4Life too.

Athena, I have been totally enjoying your various links and info on MJ. :thumbsup:

[Ice Cycle]

Cost. It is very expensive to build a refrigerated crypt to store a body.

Well I have a feeling he is being stored somewhere until the permit comes through.

[ahlou3]

Beautiful, diginified - all just heartful bringing me to tears and yet so proud.

[4Life]

Hi Meridian :seeya:

I'm not sure specifically who she is but the singers were MJ's backup singers for the concert. The dancers also appeared on stage (according to Kenny Ortega)

Yes his backup singers/dancers were on stage throughout the event
The band for the event was MJs
The lady at the end, I think she was with the British Choir, but I could have heard wrong

[4Life]

Her show was a rerun, maybe she went to the luncheon only, low key/privacy.

Maybe she was just in the audience. There were alot of celebs there that they did not show on air

The news said Beyoncé and Whitney Houston were in the audience

[trucrimegal]

i'm really shocked Oprah wasn't there today................

That was one of the things I noticed right away too...

[Tokyo Rose]

Seeing the children today and in some pictures, I'm beginning to think they may be of mixed race. Maybe they are MJ's biological children. jmo

[disneyfreak]

Well I have a feeling he is being stored somewhere until the permit comes through.

Most likely they are storing him at the local mortuary or morgue. I do not see this permit getting a easy pass. The folks in Santa Maria do not want any hint of a future Graceland up there at Neverland and the traffic his grave will bring will most likely be a key factor before it is granted.

[velvetbrown]

You're right Sun..it is very hard for these kids to grasp the enormaty of this whole occasion..They lost their daddy..and are no doubt overwhelmed with this outpouring of love for their dad..I actually found it endearing....

Side note..I recall my grandmother slipping me a mint during a church service...grandma's seem to notice when gandbabies are getting restless...A very firm memory in my life!!

LMS

I had a lot of 'great' aunts and uncles that died when I was young. A full Catholic Rosary,
3 days viewing, services...my Mom gave me peppermints so I would be still and quiet. To this day I HATE the taste of peppermint...

[4Life]

Seeing the children today and in some pictures, I'm beginning to think they may be of mixed race. Maybe they are MJ's biological children. jmoI'm glad you said that because I was thinking the same thing. Other people I have talked to have agreed

[sunstar]

Yes well what's to keep him from being stored at Neverland (just not buried) until the permit comes through.

Doesn't a body in a casket have to be accounted for, meaning either at a funeral home or interred? I don't think it's legal just to keep transporting it around or have it at Neverland in storage waiting for a burial permit. :confused: Maybe somebody more familiar with CA law can help me here!

[VC2]

i'm really shocked Oprah wasn't there today................

I think many of the celebrities were a little afraid that it would be an over the top circus like hoopla. I can understanding not going to that, but there were 1000 tickets for the family and i doubt every celeb was shown.

I also bet that the ones who thought it would be a big hoopla plus nightmare to get through, are regretting not going now. Maybe they thought it would me more a joe production. Or just singing michaels songs.

None of us could have expected this wonderful memorial. Couldn't have been done without the superb work of Ortega and also the family working together to have the beautiful, the music, the eulogies, the funny moments...but everything tasteful and like being in a church sort of.

[Tokyo Rose]

Most likely they are storing him at the local mortuary or morgue. I do not see this permit getting a easy pass. The folks in Santa Maria do not want any hint of a future Graceland up there at Neverland and the traffic his grave will bring will most likely be a key factor before it is granted.

Issuing a permit to bury someone has nothing to do with considering traffic or what the neighbors say. jmo

[sunstar]

Seeing the children today and in some pictures, I'm beginning to think they may be of mixed race. Maybe they are MJ's biological children. jmo

I believe the same thing. MOO

[Tracian]

Issuing a permit to bury someone has nothing to do with considering traffic or what the neighbors say. jmo

HLN had someone on that said, that the city/county may put a stop to that, because of the traffic, and the neighbors.

[TunaMelt]

Yes well what's to keep him from being stored at Neverland (just not buried) until the permit comes through.

How do mean, stored?

It's not a cemetery and it doesn't have facilities like a cemetery or mausoleum does.

Stored?
:confused:

[VC2]

Maybe she was just in the audience. There were alot of celebs there that they did not show on air

The news said Beyoncé and Whitney Houston were in the audience

That was one thing i really liked, they did not pan the audience for the celebrities, all focus was on the stage and at times the family.

[TunaMelt]

Doesn't a body in a casket have to be accounted for, meaning either at a funeral home or interred? I don't think it's legal just to keep transporting it around or have it at Neverland in storage waiting for a burial permit. :confused: Maybe somebody more familiar with CA law can help me here!

I have a feeling that arrangements have already been made, and that he's being "housed" somewhere like Forest Lawn, until he's cremated -- or buried or interred.

[Gilly]

That was one thing i really liked, they did not pan the audience for the celebrities, all focus was on the stage and at times the family.

I liked that as well but I'm still curious about who was there. I know, I'm nosy :laugh:

[Tokyo Rose]

HLN had someone on that said, that the city/county may put a stop to that, because of the traffic, and the neighbors.

I don't know how. That would be a different permit later for a Graceland type museum. Just because he is buried there it wouldn't mean anyone would be permitted to visit his grave. jmo

[4Life]

That was one thing i really liked, they did not pan the audience for the celebrities, all focus was on the stage and at times the family.

I think that is what the celebs in the audience and the ones that didn't go wanted, have the focus on the service and not them.

[VC2]

HLN had someone on that said, that the city/county may put a stop to that, because of the traffic, and the neighbors.

then they should offer free tours as they do the restoration work already started. No money, no zoning change needed.

SB would change their minds soon enough imo. Especially if they took my idea of 6 month tours/holiday camps for underpriveleged and ill kids and 6 months paid tours

[Tracian]

I don't know how. That would be a different permit later for a Graceland type museum. Just because he is buried there it wouldn't mean anyone would be permitted to visit his grave. jmo


I am not sure, if it has something to do with different states laws. They did say on HLN that because it was a two lane road that could be enough to have the county not allow a permit.

But, MJ said that NeverLand was tainted, I wouldn't think he would want to be laid to rest there.

[LLaFren]

To say that this memorial was more than I expected, and that prayers and good thoughts need to go to MJ's children.

When all is said and done, they have still lost the father that they loved very much.

If chewing gum and holding a doll made in their dads likeness, helped them make it through this very public ceremony, well then, more power to them.

[sunstar]

I have a feeling that arrangements have already been made, and that he's being "housed" somewhere like Forest Lawn, until he's cremated -- or buried or interred.

I think so too. Unlike cremated remains, you can't just take the body anywhere ~ it has to be accounted for. MOO

[4Life]

Who was the young lady on the last song who sang "Heal the World" with the kids?

Sorry Meridian and Athena, I was wrong. She was not from a British group. MTV said she was First black Miss Indiana, Kellee Patterson

[sunstar]

To say that this memorial was more than I expected, and that prayers and good thoughts need to go to MJ's children.

When all is said and done, they have still lost the father that they loved very much.

If chewing gum and holding a doll made in their dads likeness, helped them make it through this very public ceremony, well then, more power to them.

Amen! :smile:

[TunaMelt]

then they should offer free tours as they do the restoration work already started. No money, no zoning change needed.

SB would change their minds soon enough imo. Especially if they took my idea of 6 month tours/holiday camps for underpriveleged and ill kids and 6 months paid tours

It's farming country.
Turning that land into a Graceland would change the entire complexion and ecological balance of the whole area -- Michael wouldn't like that.

Would he?
:confused:

[who_is_it]

I don't think it is that complex for a 11 year old girl to tell the world that she loved her daddy and he was the best.

These children, as reported on JVM, did in the past get interviewed by CPS; I don't think they were completely in the dark about the controversy surrounding their father.

My comment wasn't on what you mentioned in your first para but about "... but it was strange what he had to deal with." I do think it's a complex message because it means to understand, for example, how the media machinery works and to comprehend the motives of some who surrounded Michael during his life.

I didn't know that she got interviewed in the past.

A friend of mine always got free tickets for theater performances; we were often seated in the front rows. Sometimes I thought I have to stand up... but I always was like: "I can't be the first who stands up... and I don't see the people behind me..., maybe they all remain seated..." -- Though I'm not shy in general you have to be self confident to do so or be used to it. Though an adult next to her stood up first Paris got up in a very confident and straight way. If it wasn't staged -- like most of you think -- I must say: WOW, girl, that was so cool and amazingly strong!!! :rose:

[4Life]

I wouldn't blame the media for MJ problems he put his foot in his mouth when he said he shares his bed with kids and that got the ball rolling. He would have been fine if he just invited the kids and their families to Neverland but didn't share his bed with him in it. Anyone that thinks it's ok for a guy in his 40's to spend the night with other people's kids is just crazy I don't care if he was MJ it is not normal nor ok

Please! as per CW this is a memorial thread for today

Originally Posted by Coldwater
Most of this is chat between posters today and I'm going to let it go as it's like being there and wanting to share feelings with friends. I WILL NOT allow any derogatory posts, either about M.J. or other posters on here. This is to be determined a Memorial Thread and therefore deserves respect. M.J. nor his family are in a position to refute any nasty or bashing posts so treat it as a member of your family being memorialized.

If you don't like him, fine, then DON'T POST HERE. I'm sure there are many boards who would welcome you, we don't, we dignify the person at a time like this and expect you too also.

I personally have never been a fan, but it's a generation thing, I love Bing Crosby and Perry Como and Tom Jones, however I would never insult anyone that could hurt his/her family in any way at a sorrowful time as this. Remember they loved him.

Thank you for understanding and your cooperation.

[Callie]

I'm glad you said that because I was thinking the same thing. Other people I have talked to have agreed

And me too

[ahlou3]

Brooke started my tears today. One could feel her love.

[RootBeer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TVTLDLfSOA

[TunaMelt]

From NG, MJ didn't want to be buried at Neverland. That was Joe Jackson's idea.

Nobody knows where his body is now, but NG talking head says there's a Big Drama going on.:rolleyes:

[legalmania]

i'm really shocked Oprah wasn't there today................

Is Opera on vacation? Because maybe she is getting some kind of surgery and can not be seen right now. It just doesn't make sense that she hasn't said a word.

[who_is_it]

I wouldn't blame the media for MJ problems he put his foot in his mouth when he said he shares his bed with kids and that got the ball rolling. He would have been fine if he just invited the kids and their families to Neverland but didn't share his bed with him in it. Anyone that thinks it's ok for a guy in his 40's to spend the night with other people's kids is just crazy I don't care if he was MJ it is not normal nor ok

I don't think in these restricted categories: To share the room with... means automatically....

It could be a different vibe of love -- nothing sexual and unexperienced by yourself.

[Tokyo Rose]

And me too

Taking into consideration that DR is very light with freckles and light hair with blue eyes, that would keep the children light complected. But the children seem to have a light caramel completion with brown hair and brown eyes.

The little one is even darker, and had a different mother.

jmo

[sunstar]

It's farming country.
Turning that land into a Graceland would change the entire complexion and ecological balance of the whole area -- Michael wouldn't like that.

Would he?
:confused:

I don't think he wanted to be buried there. After the criminal trial, it wasn't his home anymore. MOO

[MoonHarvest]

Some of his words were way over the top there have been plenty of black men and women that have opened the doors for African Americans way before MJ and Al made it sound like MJ was the one that made all things possible for all African Americans:rolleyes:

I really don't think Al Sharpton tried to infer that.

[RootBeer]

LEAVE THE KIDS out of the scrutiny for cryin' out loud!

That's what makes THEM kids, and YOU a supposed ADULT! :cursing:

I dropped it a page back, you quoted me bringing it up again.

[velvetbrown]

Doesn't matter they are still an addict legal or not both with kill you enough said:rolleyes:

Yes, enough said Mermaid. This is neither the time nor place to get into this. Give him peace this one day, please...

[Ice Cycle]

From NG, MJ didn't want to be buried at Neverland. That was Joe Jackson's idea.

Nobody knows where his body is now, but NG talking head says there's a Big Drama going on.:rolleyes:

Jermaine made it clear to Larry K that he and the whole family would like to see him buried there.

[AMS]

To say that this memorial was more than I expected, and that prayers and good thoughts need to go to MJ's children.

When all is said and done, they have still lost the father that they loved very much.

If chewing gum and holding a doll made in their dads likeness, helped them make it through this very public ceremony, well then, more power to them.

Thank you for coming out of lurkdom. Very well said. Thank you again.

imo

[TunaMelt]

I don't think in these restricted categories: To share the room with... means automatically....

It could be a different vibe of love -- nothing sexual and unexperienced by yourself.

...then there's 20 million dollars out there somewhere that somebody owes his estate.
:ohmy:

[TunaMelt]

Jermaine made it clear to Larry K that he and the whole family would like to see him buried there.

But Michael himself didn't want to be there?
:confused:

[who_is_it]

Brooke started my tears today. One could feel her love.

She was Michael's first girlfriend.

Btw, do you think there was "more" between him and Diana Ross? In her statement she said "Michael was a personal love of mine..." and he wants her to take care of his kids if Katherine would die. I always thought he had a crush on her... but maybe they had a relationship!?

[Callie]

I wouldn't blame the media for MJ problems he put his foot in his mouth when he said he shares his bed with kids and that got the ball rolling. He would have been fine if he just invited the kids and their families to Neverland but didn't share his bed with him in it. Anyone that thinks it's ok for a guy in his 40's to spend the night with other people's kids is just crazy I don't care if he was MJ it is not normal nor ok

I can see where your mind is. Makes me wonder why Serta, Posturpedic, etc. just don't show people having sex to advertize their products.

[4Life]

Well so much for this being the Memorial thread given to us by CW, It was nice while it lasted

Thanks CW

[Daffny]

People who nitpick on the children gum chewing are only picking on that because they can't find anything else at the memorial to HATE on.

/IMO.

[Cardinal]

Just finished watching. I'm all in.

:rose: RIP MJ

[AMS]

I don't think he wanted to be buried there. After the criminal trial, it wasn't his home anymore. MOO

I heard that too. He moved out after the criminal trial and never went back.

imo

[who_is_it]

...then there's 20 million dollars out there somewhere that somebody owes his estate.
:ohmy:

Wrong, Tuna, this person somewhere out there doesn't owe 20 million dollars but..... owes THE TRUTH!

[MoonHarvest]

Well so much for this being the Memorial thread given to us by CW, It was nice while it lasted

Thanks CW

I know. I'm asking myself if someone is trying to get it shut down.:mad:

[ScoobyDoo]

Doesn't matter they are still an addict legal or not both with kill you enough said:rolleyes:


Yes, and a tragedy that the disease of addiction is so prevalent among the entire population. White, black, man, woman, celebrity, teacher. Addiction does not discriminate.

[TunaMelt]

I know. I'm asking myself if someone is trying to get it shut down.:mad:

So ignore them.
That way you win, the thread stays open.

It won't last forever, the day's almost done, but right now, ignore the ones you don't want to read.

It'll work for a while.

[RootBeer]

She was Michael's first girlfriend.

Btw, do you think there was "more" between him and Diana Ross? In her statement she said "Michael was a personal love of mine..." and he wants her to take care of his kids if Katherine would die. I always thought he had a crush on her... but maybe they had a relationship!?

I heard that Tatum O'Niel was his first girlfriend. sorry no link

[4Life]

I know. I'm asking myself if someone is trying to get it shut down.:mad:

Just shows us that some people have no respect for others

[Tokyo Rose]

She was Michael's first girlfriend.

Btw, do you think there was "more" between him and Diana Ross? In her statement she said "Michael was a personal love of mine..." and he wants her to take care of his kids if Katherine would die. I always thought he had a crush on her... but maybe they had a relationship!?

No, both were just friends. jmo

[*Serenity*]

Well so much for this being the Memorial thread given to us by CW, It was nice while it lasted

Thanks CW

All it takes to get back on track is report to mod... seems to me we only have a few here that keep pushing the envelope.

[who_is_it]

I don't know that she knew every detail about the controversy but an 11 year old would certainly be aware of it. I just hope she hasn't been watching the news coverage. I do not believe at all that she was coached. That came from the heart. According to Kenny Ortega -- he said he didn't even think the children would go on stage.

Have posted my thoughts on that in response to Tracian. I'll read the transcripts of the interview with Kenny Ortega tomorrow. I'm already looking forward to reading it.

[4Life]

So ignore them.
That way you win, the thread stays open.

It won't last forever, the day's almost done, but right now, ignore the ones you don't want to read.

It'll work for a while.LOL just from the MJ forum ny ignore list is a mile long

[Tokyo Rose]

I heard that Tatum O'Niel was his first girlfriend. sorry no link

I remember that, but she said later he was not interested in kissing or anything like that. jmo

[MoonHarvest]

So ignore them.
That way you win, the thread stays open.

It won't last forever, the day's almost done, but right now, ignore the ones you don't want to read.

It'll work for a while.

I don't respond. However, CW said this was being monitored very carefully and if I recall correctly, it is to be a place of respect.

[who_is_it]

I heard that Tatum O'Niel was his first girlfriend. sorry no link

Oh yes, you're right. I confused them.

[GentleBreeze]

I just didn't think it mattered that much under the circumstances.

Me either. The kids were probably nervous and their throats were probably dry.

Sheesh such a big ado about nuttin imo.

[FallenAngel♥]

TMZ was talking about that tonight on their show.

oh really? i missed it.

[VC2]

It's farming country.
Turning that land into a Graceland would change the entire complexion and ecological balance of the whole area -- Michael wouldn't like that.

Would he?
:confused:

No it wouldn't. It is exactly how he ran it when he lived there, he had sick and underpriveleged children tours all the time. It doesn't have to be graceland per se, just what they are doing now, restoring it to its former glory (with the consultation of MJ and he did plan to work on something with Neverland..never trust the NE as a source. THe burial at neverland idea was Jermaine's).

Just by doing it for free and not limiting it to sick and underpriveleged while its under restoration imo will get SB looking for a way to control it properly, get their tax revenue, and rezone it for that since the chaos will be outside neverland daily anyway. The way to get peace would be to do tours. It is also not that hard to widen a two lane highway enough to handle traffic. THey will probably need to in a few years anyway imo. That would be the extent of it and if neverland pays for it even better for the county

IMO

[velvetbrown]

LOL just from the MJ forum ny ignore list is a mile long

LOL me too..

[legalmania]

I really enjoyed Magic Johnson's story about KFC

The most emotional moment was when little Paris told us what a great father Michael was and when she started crying I lost it also.

[*Serenity*]

The second picture on this link when you scroll is absoutely beautiful of Blanket. He has his Daddy Doll, looking at the Memorial Program, and when you scroll just a little more... omg.... how sweet... he has his white socks on with his black loafers like his Daddy.

All three of them are just precious.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/07/michael-jacksons-kids-pri_n_227210.html

[4Life]

She was Michael's first girlfriend.

Btw, do you think there was "more" between him and Diana Ross? In her statement she said "Michael was a personal love of mine..." and he wants her to take care of his kids if Katherine would die. I always thought he had a crush on her... but maybe they had a relationship!?

No. He said once in an interview that she was like a mom to him and then corrected himself and said older sister. LOL

[MoonHarvest]

Just shows us that some people have no respect for others

Not pointing any fingers at all, ( and I mean that) but I sure have noticed.

[FallenAngel♥]

I think many of the celebrities were a little afraid that it would be an over the top circus like hoopla. I can understanding not going to that, but there were 1000 tickets for the family and i doubt every celeb was shown.

I also bet that the ones who thought it would be a big hoopla plus nightmare to get through, are regretting not going now. Maybe they thought it would me more a joe production. Or just singing michaels songs.

None of us could have expected this wonderful memorial. Couldn't have been done without the superb work of Ortega and also the family working together to have the beautiful, the music, the eulogies, the funny moments...but everything tasteful and like being in a church sort of.
well all i have to say about all those that wanted to miss the hollpa sure did miss one of the nicest memorials i've ever seen in my life.

[ahlou3]

From NG, MJ didn't want to be buried at Neverland. That was Joe Jackson's idea.

Nobody knows where his body is now, but NG talking head says there's a Big Drama going on.:rolleyes:
IMO - NG does NOT count. I heard Jermaine wanted him buried at Neverland saying Michael was hurt ubt that is where he (Jermaine) wish he would be buried.

Don't know about Joe but we need to understand Joe is/was his father. That Joe is the brightest bulb is another story but I keep saying 'without Joe there would have been no Michael'.

[RootBeer]

oh really? i missed it.

Harvey Levin seems to think something is not right about it. Makes me think they are going to hunt Oprah down and ask her why she was not there.

[4Life]

I really enjoyed Magic Johnson's story about KFC

The most emotional moment was when little Paris told us what a great father Michael was and when she started crying I lost it also.

The KFC had me laughing. "Michael you eat KFC" lol

Paris was a touching moment
The other 3 that got me was
Brooke Shields, Usher and Jermaine

[who_is_it]

The second picture on this link when you scroll is absoutely beautiful of Blanket. He has his Daddy Doll, looking at the Memorial Program, and when you scroll just a little more... omg.... how sweet... he has his white socks on with his black loafers like his Daddy.

All three of them are just precious.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/07/michael-jacksons-kids-pri_n_227210.html

Prince and Blanket have very dark eyes.

[AMS]

I really enjoyed Magic Johnson's story about KFC

The most emotional moment was when little Paris told us what a great father Michael was and when she started crying I lost it also.

That's when I lost it too, Legal. Usher singing "Gone Too Soon" was emotional for me too. Reminded me of Caylee Anthony.

imo

[ScoobyDoo]

I meant that it's open to the public and that there isn't a special VIP area for the dead. I have been to many cemeteries and never have I seen a private area that you couldn't visit.

Well.. thats nice. It really makes no difference to me. What does matter to me is your intent here, which is to disrupt and taint what is supposed to be a memorial thread. Most of us realize that you have no respect for those who might be mourning a personal loss, but a little respect for CW and her polite and heartfelt request would require very little effort on your part, and would be appreciated by all.

[Tracian]

The KFC had me laughing. "Michael you eat KFC" lol

Paris was a touching moment
The other 3 that got me was
Brooke Shields, Usher and Jermaine


Mine too!

"What's up with the glove"---Brooke Shields..

Gotta give it up for NG tonight. She is even upset at King's remarks, saying there is no reason at this point in time for them.

[who_is_it]

No. He said once in an interview that she was like a mom to him and then corrected himself and said older sister. LOL

I can see her face when he said "like a mom" ---> :angry:

[RootBeer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaxM__8qBOM

[*Serenity*]

Mermaid and a few others have been reported.

I'd suggest that to everyone so that CW can handle them.

CW depends on posters to help her out, she can't be everywhere to know what is going on. Best to NOT even respond to the baiters/haters and report. They need attention so I never give them the satisfaction.

I just posted a link with fantastic photos of the children. Blanket just has the most lost look on his face. :( I just love how he wore his white socks, black loafers, and carried the doll of his Daddy today.

[4Life]

In a letter by Diana Ross, read by Smokey Robinson, she wrote that she “decided to pause and be silent, this feels right to me.” Ross goes on to say, “Michael was a personal love of mine, a treasured part of my world, and part of the fabric of my life in a way I cant seem to find words to express.”

http://marquee.blogs.cnn.com/2009/07/07/diana-ross-mourns-jackson/

[legalmania]

The KFC had me laughing. "Michael you eat KFC" lol

Paris was a touching moment
The other 3 that got me was
Brooke Shields, Usher and Jermaine

Smokey was funny to, I wrote that song, Berry Gordy was laughing so hard.

[4Life]

I can see her face when he said "like a mom" ---> :angry:

LOL I think that is why he changed it to older sister

She is 15 years older I think

[GentleBreeze]

Reminder:

Originally Posted by Coldwater
Most of this is chat between posters today and I'm going to let it go as it's like being there and wanting to share feelings with friends. I WILL NOT allow any derogatory posts, either about M.J. or other posters on here. This is to be determined a Memorial Thread and therefore deserves respect. M.J. nor his family are in a position to refute any nasty or bashing posts so treat it as a member of your family being memorialized.

If you don't like him, fine, then DON'T POST HERE. I'm sure there are many boards who would welcome you, we don't, we dignify the person at a time like this and expect you too also.

I personally have never been a fan, but it's a generation thing, I love Bing Crosby and Perry Como and Tom Jones, however I would never insult anyone that could hurt his/her family in any way at a sorrowful time as this. Remember they loved him.

Thank you for understanding and your cooperation.

[4Life]

Smokey was funny to, I wrote that song, Berry Gordy was laughing so hard.

Ah yes, and he said when he sings that song now, younger kids come up to him and say "hey you're singing Michaels song"

[RootBeer]

Anyone watching LKL? I am. He was there today at the memorial.

[4Life]

Anyone watching LKL? I am. He was there today at the memorial.

I am sure he will tell us who was there
Oh wow he had 3rd row seats

[legalmania]

In a letter by Diana Ross, read by Smokey Robinson, she wrote that she “decided to pause and be silent, this feels right to me.” Ross goes on to say, “Michael was a personal love of mine, a treasured part of my world, and part of the fabric of my life in a way I cant seem to find words to express.”

http://marquee.blogs.cnn.com/2009/07/07/diana-ross-mourns-jackson/

The Congresswoman from Texas made me feel really good when she said all of congress paused when they heard about MJ.

[4Life]

The Congresswoman from Texas made me feel really good when she said all of congress paused when they heard about MJ.

That made me feel good too
I posted her whole speech on the links thread

[Callie]

(Originally Posted by 4Life
Just shows us that some people have no respect for others.)

Not pointing any fingers at all, ( and I mean that) but I sure have noticed.

I certainly have too. Some people have class, some don't. My mother always told me class is not something you learn, it's something you're born with.

[who_is_it]

Just have watched parts yet... but I didn't like that they invited John Mayer. I don't think he had known Michael, he's so self-absorbed, seems to think he's super smart, can't stop to twitter ... and I wouldn't wonder if he had done it to become known all over the world; in Europe, for example, almost "nobody" knows who John Mayer is.

[KatieLady]

Three children lost the only parent they ever had, are about to enter a horrendous nightmare over custody. I pray for them. They will question if they will be loved for their money (like their father was by Joe Jackson) or for themselves. You are a very small person to harp on gum chewing.

Originally Posted by Coldwater
Most of this is chat between posters today and I'm going to let it go as it's like being there and wanting to share feelings with friends. I WILL NOT allow any derogatory posts, either about M.J. or other posters on here. This is to be determined a Memorial Thread and therefore deserves respect. M.J. nor his family are in a position to refute any nasty or bashing posts so treat it as a member of your family being memorialized.

If you don't like him, fine, then DON'T POST HERE. I'm sure there are many boards who would welcome you, we don't, we dignify the person at a time like this and expect you too also.

I personally have never been a fan, but it's a generation thing, I love Bing Crosby and Perry Como and Tom Jones, however I would never insult anyone that could hurt his/her family in any way at a sorrowful time as this. Remember they loved him.

Thank you for understanding and your cooperation.

[sunstar]

I really enjoyed Magic Johnson's story about KFC

The most emotional moment was when little Paris told us what a great father Michael was and when she started crying I lost it also.

I'm still catching up and I just saw that with Magic! Oh, yes, listening to Paris was absolutely heartbreaking. :crying: My prayers for the children that they'll feel their dad is still with them and watching over them.

[legalmania]

I am sure he will tell us who was there
Oh wow he had 3rd row seats

ABC is having a special they just showed Paris again, and here comes the tears again. Paris seems really close to Janet.

[4Life]

Corey Feldman showed up at Michael Jackson's public memorial Tuesday at L.A.'s Staples Center dressed as the King of Pop.

He arrived at 10:19 a.m. dressed as the singer from his Dangerous era - wearing all black, a military-style jacket, a black fedora and sunglasses. He also had strands of his hair hanging in front of his face - a 'do Jackson famously sported.
http://www.usmagazine.com/news/corey-feldman-arrives-at-memorial-dressed-as-michael-jackson-200977

[Tokyo Rose]

They don't have to keep him in a refrigerator if he was embalmed they didn't put Jame Brown in one and it took them almost over 3 months to bury him.

Yes, even embalmed they will decompose. They have to be refrigerated.
I'm pretty sure they refrigerated James Brown. They will even decompose refrigerated. jmo

[VC2]

The second picture on this link when you scroll is absoutely beautiful of Blanket. He has his Daddy Doll, looking at the Memorial Program, and when you scroll just a little more... omg.... how sweet... he has his white socks on with his black loafers like his Daddy.

All three of them are just precious.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/07/michael-jacksons-kids-pri_n_227210.html

awww. god my heart breaks for the kids.

LKL will have lots of great guests on

[Daffny]

I cried the whole time... I couldn't stop crying, I went into the office this afternoon with puffy eyes. Surely, my co-workers thought I was alittle strange LOL but I don't care.
Michael is the Elvis of my generation - I grew up idolizing him and his music. Regardless of the previous accusations and charges, those are long past. Now, as NG says, it's about the children. They lost their daddy, and that breaks my heart. We love you Michael, you will never be forgotten and your music will live forever.

And to the haters - it must suck to be in your dark and dreary world. You will never ever break the love and bond Michael and his fans have/had and it eats you alive. Wallow in your miserable and hateful world.

[who_is_it]

-- Michael Jackson signed his will on 7/7/02.
-- Michael Jackson's memorial was on 7/7/09 ... exactly 7 years after the will was signed.
(...)
-- Michael Jackson was the 7th of 9 children.
-- Michael Jackson was born in 1958 ... 19 + 58 = 77
-- Michael Jackson died on the 25th ... 2 + 5 = 7
-- Michael Jackson has 7 letters in his first and last name."

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/07/michael-jackson-7/

That is really strange coincidence imo. Actually it goes into this "unearthly" direction as it's so big coincidence imo.

[4Life]

Nicole ritche was there
MJ was her godfather

[velvetbrown]

Just have watched parts yet... but I didn't like that they invited John Mayer. I don't think he had known Michael, he's so self-absorbed, seems to think he's super smart, can't stop to twitter ... and I wouldn't wonder if he had done it to become known all over the world; in Europe, for example, almost "nobody" knows who John Mayer is.

He is an excellent musician, and he honored MJ by playing one of his songs, and it was beautifully done.

[sunstar]

The Congresswoman from Texas made me feel really good when she said all of congress paused when they heard about MJ.

She's Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee. Did you also hear her talk about the House resolution to name MJ an American music legend and world humanitarian? :smile:

[*Serenity*]

I really liked how nice all of Michaels brothers, and two sons looked dressed alike today. The yellow ties looked great with their black suits / white shirts.

All of the ladies were dressed really classy as well.

The entire family looked awesome today, and I think the Memorial was very well done today.

I just heard on CNN no incidents were reported at all today with this memorial. I am so glad to hear all of the good news from the event.

[LLaFren]

I've been watching all day.

My thoughts are, that from 1974 to 1978, I was 10 to 14 years old.

I had every picture of MJ and Donny Osmond that I could find.

I had every 45 that either one put out.

In 1978 Disco hit (yuck).

In 1982, well that was the year of Thriller and the "unknown artist" singer Soldier of Love.

This is my childhood, this is my young adult years.

I feel that the artist MJ, is just that an artist and a wonderful performer.

I hope that everyone's prayers are for his children.

[who_is_it]

I cried the whole time... I couldn't stop crying, I went into the office this afternoon with puffy eyes. Surely, my co-workers thought I was alittle strange LOL but I don't care.
<snipped>



One of my co-workers passed today during a meeting and whispered in my ear: "You're not in LA?" - LOL

During the last two weeks I often said to people "I'm so sad about Michael Jackson's death" and then had to realise that they felt relieved that I was the first to speak it out. Many reacted very emotionally: "OMG, I'm so sad, too. I loved Michael Jackson." I didn't know that so many people liked him as much as I did.

[*Serenity*]

-- Michael Jackson signed his will on 7/7/02.
-- Michael Jackson's memorial was on 7/7/09 ... exactly 7 years after the will was signed.
(...)
-- Michael Jackson was the 7th of 9 children.
-- Michael Jackson was born in 1958 ... 19 + 58 = 77
-- Michael Jackson died on the 25th ... 2 + 5 = 7
-- Michael Jackson has 7 letters in his first and last name."

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/07/michael-jackson-7/

That is really strange coincidence imo. Actually it goes into this "unearthly" direction as it's so big coincidence imo.

Wasn't his original concert tour date today ,,,,,, the 7th instead of the 13th?


Intersting info thx

[velvetbrown]

Originally Posted by Coldwater m.

Thank you for understanding and your cooperation.

????? You chose ME to make an example of ?????

[sunstar]

ABC is having a special they just showed Paris again, and here comes the tears again. Paris seems really close to Janet.
(bolding mine)

I'm very happy to see that. I doubt very much she'd want to be separated from her dad's family. MOO

[legalmania]

I'm still catching up and I just saw that with Magic! Oh, yes, listening to Paris was absolutely heartbreaking. :crying: My prayers for the children that they'll feel their dad is still with them and watching over them.

I can't remember word for word but when Brook said looking up I can see you smiling on a half moon. Well it was well said by her.

[4Life]

He is an excellent musician, and he honored MJ by playing one of his songs, and it was beautifully done.

Michael said he liked Johns work, so I assume that is why he was asked to be there

[sunstar]

I really liked how nice all of Michaels brothers, and two sons looked dressed alike today. The yellow ties looked great with their black suits / white shirts.

All of the ladies were dressed really classy as well.

The entire family looked awesome today, and I think the Memorial was very well done today.

I just heard on CNN no incidents were reported at all today with this memorial. I am so glad to hear all of the good news from the event.

I noticed too how everyone was so well dressed and totally respectful of what they were there for ~ no casual clothes, nothing inappropriate. It was very, very nice to see for a change. :smile:

[GentleBreeze]

awww. god my heart breaks for the kids.

LKL will have lots of great guests on

Who all does he have on tonight?

He seemed very emotional when he came out today.

imo