MONDAY, July 6,2009

[Olives]

Please continue here.

Siedah Garret's Man in the Mirror:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-A9j48ZPKMA

:thumbup:

[mrsmcgoo]

Please continue here.

Siedah Garret's Man in the Mirror:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-A9j48ZPKMA

:thumbup:

Thank you!

She does a beautiful job of this song.

I wouldn't be surprised to hear her sing this song at the Memorial.

Also, as stated on the other thread:

I have no problem with setting aside my negative thoughts of MJ, but want you all to know, I am doing it out of respect for poster's here. (And CW also) My views and opinions remain the same.

:smile:

[aproudmom]

I got lost is this were everyone is? I was replying to you Olive and it closed down on me..lol..:laugh:

HERE IS THE VIDEO THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT US it is more like the one we heard in the short clip of the last rehearsal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvWMLAWrEjU&feature=related

[Olives]

Thank you!

She does a beautiful job of this song.

I wouldn't be surprised to hear her sing this song at the Memorial.

Also, as stated on the other thread:

I have no problem with setting aside my negative thoughts of MJ, but want you all to know, I am doing it out of respect for poster's here. (And CW also) My views and opinions remain the same.

:smile:

Every now and again I run across a poster with class on this forum and imo you are one of those MrsMagoo. There will be time enough to discuss the negatives.

[flipflop]

Please continue here.

Siedah Garret's Man in the Mirror:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-A9j48ZPKMA

:thumbup:

That was great. I loved what she had to say in the beginning. The woman has a lot of class.

[aproudmom]

Thank you!

She does a beautiful job of this song.

I wouldn't be surprised to hear her sing this song at the Memorial.

Also, as stated on the other thread:

I have no problem with setting aside my negative thoughts of MJ, but want you all to know, I am doing it out of respect for poster's here. (And CW also) My views and opinions remain the same.

:smile:

:smile: is very good isn't it..I think we are all adults here it is the new ones that worry me and we get shut down..but we all know how to use our buttons..and give opinions without being cruel on a sad day for alot of people..and as a poster I appreciate that you consider others and our Mod..I would never ask anyone to not post their opinions or to change them anyway I think what you just posted was very sweet for both sides..JMO

[Scampi]

Good morning everyone. Wise words Mrs. M.! Thanks for that link Ma, interesting song I thought it was new when I first heard it during the rehearsal.

Garretts performance was wonderful, I too hope she can do it on Tuesday.

According to the LA Times this morning, LE has requested and received search warrants for at least three physicians connected to Michael.

[~layla~]

Soooo I just read CWs sticky.... whats the mood of this thread/board?

Love the whole fabricated persona? Hate the man he became? He is still an icon of music no matter what? His antics overshadowed his talents? His father is to blame? His mother is to blame? ... ORRRR He was just troubled because of his genius?

Ill need to know these things before I can post. :confused:

[aproudmom]

Got to love them tabloids wonder if this was on Athena's list? BTW is anyone watching CNN they keep saying they have 3 warrants can anyone confirm? 30 docs it would not surprise me at all but would rather see it or hear it on a better more reliable link I did see him going into some sort of clinic several times would like to know what docs work there

COPS TO GRILL 30 MEDICS
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/87834/Cops-to-grill-30-medics/

[flipflop]

Jackson Showdown in Court Today

Posted Jul 6th 2009 1:20AM by TMZ Staff

Today we'll know if Katherine Jackson will fight over Michael Jackson's will -- or at least we'll know if her lawyer plans a fight.

We've learned lawyers for John Branca and John McClain -- the two men named co-executors in Michael Jackson's will -- will ask the judge to put them in charge of the estate, at least until the will is formally presented in court.

But here's the wild card -- last week, before the will was filed, Katherine Jackson's lawyer, Londell McMillan, went to court and got the judge to temporarily make Katherine the administrator of the estate. That power expires today.


http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/06/jackson-court-will-estate/

[~layla~]

Got to love them tabloids wonder if this was on Athena's list? BTW is anyone watching CNN they keep saying they have 3 warrants can anyone confirm? 30 docs it would not surprise me at all but would rather see it or hear it on a better more reliable link I did see him going into some sort of clinic several times would like to know what docs work there

COPS TO GRILL 30 MEDICS
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/87834/Cops-to-grill-30-medics/

I have HLN on (cuz CNN tells more indepth stories)... Ill let ya know if I see a blurb on any doctors and arrests re MJ

[aproudmom]

Good morning everyone. Wise words Mrs. M.! Thanks for that link Ma, interesting song I thought it was new when I first heard it during the rehearsal.

Garretts performance was wonderful, I too hope she can do it on Tuesday.

According to the LA Times this morning, LE has requested and received search warrants for at least three physicians connected to Michael.

Morning
thanks a bunch I did not know if they were talking about the others for the car and mansion but then she said they got them overnight or something no link it was on CNN..

I also thought it was a new song then watched the other video and it sounded different but the one I just posted sounded more like the small clip we have seen or I think it did..and just watched another one
Michael Jackson They Don't Care About Us amateur version on set ULTRA RAREI don't want to post a bunch of links just did not know until someone found it the other night that it is a older song..

[*Serenity*]

“I noticed Dr. Murray exiting the kitchen area through the side door to the driveway area carrying a couple of oxygen tanks,” Jones told RadarOnline.com correspondent Rachel Smith. “The oxygen tanks were waist high, from my height. Heavy duty tanks.”

Not only did he see Dr. Murray, who was treating Jackson, leave the house with the large oxygen tanks, but Jones also saw more tanks stored on the premises.



http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/07/exclusive-video-interview-michael-jackson%E2%80%99s-chef-reveals-bombshell-about-singer%E2%80%99s

[aproudmom]

:ohmy:Did anyone just see DR on CNN OMG

[mrsmcgoo]

:blushing: Thanks for the kind words all~~ No need for them, but thanks all the same. lol

I always thought that MJ wrote the song "Man in The Mirror" , Siedah certainly is a talented lady!

[*Serenity*]

Stevie Wonder, Lionel Richie, and Jennifer Hudson are just some of the superstar singers expected to perform Tuesday at the all-star public memorial to the late King Of Pop, Michael Jackson.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/07/stage-set-jackson-public-memorial

[aproudmom]

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/07/exclusive-video-interview-michael-jackson%E2%80%99s-chef-reveals-bombshell-about-singer%E2%80%99s

OMG Serenity surly he would not go on camera and say that if not true..is this doctor still in hiding or whatever his lawyer called it..and then the bodyguard was it reported he is also not around? all I have to say is I see arrest in the near future..MJ paid the ultimate price his life now it is time to hold these docs accountable...I sure hope someone is watching them..They just showed DR on CNN coming out of a restaurant I thought she was going to beat up the reporter..she was mad

[~layla~]

Good morning all :seeya:

I was afraid to come in. LOL
snipped for relevence.


So are you saying this is about mourning the icon/superstar/genius?

Im confused.

[aproudmom]

I just saw a clip on NBC where she got upset with the paparazzi but I can't blame her for that at all. They were in "her space"

I missed her on CNN though!!

May be the same clip well I don't blame her but um she should know they are going to hunt her down at a restaurant her space? you mean face or parking space

[PBJMOM4]

I just saw a clip on NBC where she got upset with the paparazzi but I can't blame her for that at all. They were in "her space"

I missed her on CNN though!!

I believe you can still see it on TMZ.
I think the Photographer was definitely in her space and according to her, he touched her body.

[dinojen]

I just saw a clip on NBC where she got upset with the paparazzi but I can't blame her for that at all. They were in "her space"

I missed her on CNN though!!


TMZ has a clip of her telling them to get their hands off of her.. she was at a Chinese restaurant in Lancaster, CA.. ( that's up by where the shuttle lands when it does in CA)

Trying to catch up on the MJ stuff, heard some on CNN this morning, sounds like Sharpton is a little ticked off with them.. and especially NG and HLN and that other woman's show.. Jane Velez... he definately said his mind about them this morning.

Plan on listening to this tomorrow on my computer at work.. and the only other thing I am wondering is how much this is going to cost the city of LA.. in crowd control, police force, public works... wonder if we can pay with a IOU...:unsure:

[*Serenity*]

OMG Serenity surly he would not go on camera and say that if not true..is this doctor still in hiding or whatever his lawyer called it..and then the bodyguard was it reported he is also not around? all I have to say is I see arrest in the near future..MJ paid the ultimate price his life now it is time to hold these docs accountable...I sure hope someone is watching them..They just showed DR on CNN coming out of a restaurant I thought she was going to beat up the reporter..she was mad



Jackson Doc Mum on Administering Anesthesia

The lawyer for the doctor who was at Michael Jackson's home the day he died tells TMZ he did not give Jackson OxyContin or Demerol that day, but he wouldn't say the same about the powerful anesthesia found at the singer's home.

http://www.tmz.com/

[4Life]

Hi Serenity -- missed ya yesterday. Did you get tickets?

I heard one of the TH's mention last night that the family asked Diana Ross to sing "You are Not Alone" and she said she couldn't sing because she knew she wouldn't get through it -- but don't remember who said it - and I can't find anything on it.

Background: Michael’s close friend Diana Ross has been asked to lead the memorial tributes to him.

The Jackson family want her to perform his 1995 No1 hit You Are Not Alone. But the grief-stricken singer is worried she will lose control and break down in front of millions of people.

Diana, 65, told friends: “I want to honour Michael’s memory but I’m not sure I can hold it together. He was like a son to me.”

The Jackson family believe such a poignant tribute by the Motown legend would rank with Sir Elton John’s famous performance of Candle In The Wind at Princess Diana’s funeral. A family source said: “It will be this decade’s Candle In The Wind moment.”

http://www.hubdub.com/m46401/Will_Diana_Ross_perform_a_tribute_at_Michael_Jacks ons_tribute

[*Serenity*]

Hi Serenity -- missed ya yesterday. Did you get tickets?

I heard one of the TH's mention last night that the family asked Diana Ross to sing "You are Not Alone" and she said she couldn't sing because she knew she wouldn't get through it -- but don't remember who said it - and I can't find anything on it.


No- I wasn't chosen for any tickets. :(

I couldn't post here late yesterday afternoon or last night, there was no discussion so to speak, and I refuse to read pages of hate.
I did post a few times later on, but decided to just leave and go swimming. :)

[GentleBreeze]

OMG Serenity surly he would not go on camera and say that if not true..is this doctor still in hiding or whatever his lawyer called it..and then the bodyguard was it reported he is also not around? all I have to say is I see arrest in the near future..MJ paid the ultimate price his life now it is time to hold these docs accountable...I sure hope someone is watching them..They just showed DR on CNN coming out of a restaurant I thought she was going to beat up the reporter..she was mad

Here is what the medical gas cylinders look like.

http://weldingmag.com/gases/news/gwd_18131/

If it was green then it has to be oxygen because they are color coded.

Although giving him oxygen seems like it would help him sleep and breathe better if it was administered properly.

imo

[*Serenity*]

Michael Jackson baby bearer Debbie Rowe was swarmed by paparazzi outside a Lancaster Chinese restaurant yesterday -- and when one dude got too close, she flipped, screaming "Are you ready to have your butt kicked? Don't f**king touch me!"

Link to video clip

http://www.tmz.com/

[*Serenity*]

Here is what the medical gas cylinders look like.

http://weldingmag.com/gases/news/gwd_18131/

If it was green then it has to be oxygen because they are color coded.

Although giving him oxygen seems like it would help him sleep and breathe better if it was administered properly.

imo

He stated green and gray IIRC....
Sounds like their were multiple tanks, so this had to have been going on for awhile....? IMO

The photo you posted sounds like the one he described to a T.... green at the top/gray bottom

[Dunlurken]

Please continue here.

Siedah Garret's Man in the Mirror:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-A9j48ZPKMA

:thumbup:

Absolutely fantastic! Thank you for posting it.

[mrsmcgoo]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/06/michael-jacksons-memorial_0_n_226105.html

DR has been confirmed as a VIP at the memorial.

[GentleBreeze]

He stated green and gray IIRC....
Sounds like their were multiple tanks, so this had to have been going on for awhile....? IMO

I think he said the bottom was silver and the top was green so that would be oxygen tanks imo.

imo

[*Serenity*]

I think he said the bottom was silver and the top was green so that would be oxygen tanks imo.

imo

Yea... I edited my post, and listened to him again. So- he described those tanks to a T in color and size both.

[*Serenity*]

We're hearing she'll perform the Jackson 5 classic, "I'll Be There."



http://www.tmz.com/

[GentleBreeze]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/06/michael-jacksons-memorial_0_n_226105.html

DR has been confirmed as a VIP at the memorial.

Thanks.

I wonder why they don't do what was done when Elvis died and 30,000+ people poured into Memphis for several days. They called out 300 National Guard troops to assist with crowd control.

Only mishap I remember that happened back then was some crazy guy plowed through the overflowing crowd and hit fans, killing two and seriously injuring another.

imo

[*Serenity*]

Hi ya dino :)

I heard a some of what Sharpton said last night on HLN. I really have only caught bits and pieces of NG and totally stopped watching. She was repeating EVERYTHING she read or maybe info the Staff gave her -- but it was all from the tabloids where statements have been made but the subjects have issued retorts and said they are inaccurate or totally false. We are more up-to-date than the THs.

Anyway re: the money - I hear you - especially since CA is worse off than most if not all of the states. IMO though it's not the Jacksons' fault. Those fans are gonna come no matter what and unfortunately it is up to LE to perform crowd control. There are even people coming from all over the world that don't have tickets. Same thing happened with Elvis and Pres. Carter had to call in the National Guard because local LE could not handle it. Hopefully most of them will form groups and go find a TV somewhere. I do think however they should have waited a bit for the public memorial so it could have been more organized.


Yea.. NG fueled the rumor mill with Michael's son watching him collaspe in the living room-- so many take her statements as FACT without following up the TRUTH, and continue to believe her no matter how many links can back up her allegations. I just can't watch her or any of her ilk.

[dinojen]

Hi ya dino :)

I heard a some of what Sharpton said last night on HLN. I really have only caught bits and pieces of NG and totally stopped watching. She was repeating EVERYTHING she read or maybe info the Staff gave her -- but it was all from the tabloids where statements have been made but the subjects have issued retorts and said they are inaccurate or totally false. We are more up-to-date than the THs.

Anyway re: the money - I hear you - especially since CA is worse off than most if not all of the states. IMO though it's not the Jacksons' fault. Those fans are gonna come no matter what and unfortunately it is up to LE to perform crowd control. There are even people coming from all over the world that don't have tickets. Same thing happened with Elvis and Pres. Carter had to call in the National Guard because local LE could not handle it. Hopefully most of them will form groups and go find a TV somewhere. I do think however they should have waited a bit for the public memorial so it could have been more organized.

It's going to be total chaos I think tomorrow... I think they should of waited also.. might of been better if they had a televised one.. and not one where fans actually came.. who knows.. I surely don't.

Did you see where they have hawkers outside Neverland.. selling tshirts, keychains, food, dvd's.. that was on CNN this morning also.. early..

I never watch HLN so I didn't see Sharpton on it, I have a hard time listening to anyone on that channel so I surf right by it.

All in all I hope it's a beautiful service tomorrow, it goes with a glitch and the crowds control themselves.

I did hear the family is having a private ceremony tomorrow morning at Forest Lawn prior to the memorial service.. that was on CNN also.:confused:

[*Serenity*]

Observation of mine................

Out of all the interviews of Michael, both live and recorded I have never heard him use 'foul' language. Even the day the crowds were changting F the press... he spelled the word but would not say it.
I have read transcripts, and video clips-- none of them have him
ever cursing.

I noticed this before, however after watching DR clip and hearing her drop the F bomb, it just seemed to stand out even more to me.

:)

[Dunlurken]

I wish I knew what songs were going to be played tomorrow so I'll know how big to buy my tissue box. :sad:

[mrsmcgoo]

Popped over to Ebay to check out what of MJ's was being sold.

Lots of ticket stubs, but the thing I had to laugh at was this:



http://cgi.ebay.ca/The-Michael-Jackson-Memorial-Service-NOTIFICATION-EMAIL_W0QQitemZ270421726421QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_T ickets_all_in_one?hash=item3ef66414d5&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C72%3A1215%7C 240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50

It's an email notification! Man, some people will do anything for a buck! lol

JMO

[*Serenity*]

Debbie Rowe -- Michael Jackson's ex-wife and mother of his two eldest children -- will be attending the singer's memorial service in Los Angeles Tuesday.

"Debbie will attend. We just got confirmation last night from the people who are handling the VIP seats that they do have Debbie's seats and she will be attending," Marc Schaffel, a former Jackson business associate, said on ABC's Good Morning America Monday. (More than 1.6 million fans registered online for a chance to attend the Staples Center ceremony; only 8,750 names were chosen).


http://www.usmagazine.com/news/debbie-rowe-to-attend-michael-jackson-memorial-200967

[Dunlurken]

It's going to be total chaos I think tomorrow... I think they should of waited also.. might of been better if they had a televised one.. and not one where fans actually came.. who knows.. I surely don't.

Did you see where they have hawkers outside Neverland.. selling tshirts, keychains, food, dvd's.. that was on CNN this morning also.. early..

I never watch HLN so I didn't see Sharpton on it, I have a hard time listening to anyone on that channel so I surf right by it.

All in all I hope it's a beautiful service tomorrow, it goes with a glitch and the crowds control themselves.

I did hear the family is having a private ceremony tomorrow morning at Forest Lawn prior to the memorial service.. that was on CNN also.:confused:
I think Forest Lawn must have 24 hour security guards on staff. I had always thought Neverland should be his resting place, but it appears as though he never wanted to go back there after the cops raided his home. JMO.

[GentleBreeze]

Yea.. NG fueled the rumor mill with Michael's son watching him collapse in the living room-- so many take her statements as FACT without following up the TRUTH, and continue to believe her no matter how many links can back up her allegations. I just can't watch her or any of her ilk.

My hubby is one of the easiest going people I know. He is so supportive if I want to watch a particular show about the cases I keep up with and he will sit there and watch them with me BUT if I on rare occasion watch NG, I turn around and he has gone to another room to watch tv. He thinks she is the rudest woman he has ever seen.

I haven't watched NG or JVM since all of this began with MJs death. I don't want further misinformation and that is what is found with NG and JVM plus both of them holler too much. lol If I want a bunch of misinformation all I have to do is read the tabloids from England. lol

imo

[Dunlurken]

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When will he be buried? anyone know?

Tomorrow morning, I think. I'm sure it's being kept very hush, hush, at least I hope it is. JMO.

[Ice Cycle]

It's going to be total chaos I think tomorrow... I think they should of waited also.. might of been better if they had a televised one.. and not one where fans actually came.. who knows.. I surely don't.

Did you see where they have hawkers outside Neverland.. selling tshirts, keychains, food, dvd's.. that was on CNN this morning also.. early..

.:confused:

(snipped for space)

They should find a way to stop this, way too tacky.

[GentleBreeze]

Observation of mine................

Out of all the interviews of Michael, both live and recorded I have never heard him use 'foul' language. Even the day the crowds were changting F the press... he spelled the word but would not say it.
I have read transcripts, and video clips-- none of them have him
ever cursing.

I noticed this before, however after watching DR clip and hearing her drop the F bomb, it just seemed to stand out even more to me.

:)

I always noticed that too, Serenity.

imo

[*Serenity*]

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When will he be buried? anyone know?


I just read on one of the news online sites that he will be
buried @ Forest Lawn, prior to the Staples memorial.
However-- I read yesterday that the family/friends were
having his private service/burial some time today. Conflicting
reports again.

Since Katherine is due back in court today over the will/estate
I would doubt she would want to do court, then her son's
funeral / burial. :shrug:

[GentleBreeze]

It's going to be total chaos I think tomorrow... I think they should of waited also.. might of been better if they had a televised one.. and not one where fans actually came.. who knows.. I surely don't.

Did you see where they have hawkers outside Neverland.. selling tshirts, keychains, food, dvd's.. that was on CNN this morning also.. early..

I never watch HLN so I didn't see Sharpton on it, I have a hard time listening to anyone on that channel so I surf right by it.

All in all I hope it's a beautiful service tomorrow, it goes with a glitch and the crowds control themselves.

I did hear the family is having a private ceremony tomorrow morning at Forest Lawn prior to the memorial service.. that was on CNN also.:confused:

None of this really bothers me. I think the family looks at it as a celebration of MJs life. They want it to feel like he is still right there just like it would have been this chaotic if he did walk into that center alive with everyone there waiting.

When you saw MJ with his fans this is the way things were.

imo

[who_is_it]

Observation of mine................

Out of all the interviews of Michael, both live and recorded I have never heard him use 'foul' language. Even the day the crowds were changting F the press... he spelled the word but would not say it.
I have read transcripts, and video clips-- none of them have him
ever cursing.

I noticed this before, however after watching DR clip and hearing her drop the F bomb, it just seemed to stand out even more to me.

:)

I believe Michael cared for a nice language. At least it's reported that the kids are extremely polite.

Debbie was stalked by the paparazzi. If I was her or any celebrity I would freak out, too. If photographed without my agreement I would react even more aggressive -- in rage maybe damage their equipment or whatever.

[*Serenity*]

There is speculation that the burial will be at Forest Lawn's Glendale location, but the media are swarming around the Hollywood Hills memorial park, located right off the freeway behind Disney Studios. Tito Jackson's ex-wife, Delores "Dee Dee" Jackson, is believed to be buried there.



http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/07/06/forest.lawn/index.html?section=cnn_latest

[dinojen]

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When will he be buried? anyone know?

Tomorrow morning prior to the memorial so CNN was reporting this morning at Forest Lawn.

[who_is_it]

I think the burial is this afternoon and just think they are trying to ward off the media. Guess we'll find out later.

I wouldn't wonder if there were helicopters (like when PH was arrested) which disturb the privacy of the family.

[aproudmom]

TMZ has a clip of her telling them to get their hands off of her.. she was at a Chinese restaurant in Lancaster, CA.. ( that's up by where the shuttle lands when it does in CA)

Trying to catch up on the MJ stuff, heard some on CNN this morning, sounds like Sharpton is a little ticked off with them.. and especially NG and HLN and that other woman's show.. Jane Velez... he definately said his mind about them this morning.

Plan on listening to this tomorrow on my computer at work.. and the only other thing I am wondering is how much this is going to cost the city of LA.. in crowd control, police force, public works... wonder if we can pay with a IOU...:unsure:

Hey dino I'm calling your boss J/K Hope you all had a great weekend:tonguewag:

I saw him never named anyone on the show I watched he just said let the man be laid to rest and be fair everything is negative and MJ has done alot of good .. I kinda agree with him only because he said there is plenty of time for the negative things to be talked about usually I can not stand him but for once I kinda agreed with him..he just ask them to be fair to not only talk about the negative to also focus on the good MJ did

oh BTW I think someone said CNN starts at 6am coverage tomorrow sure it will be on live stream you wont get anything done at work better drink up on the latte

I saw DR she was very angry actually shocked she got out with all the craziness..I bet she could have took that dude down she meant business..I could not stand that I would be in Jail I seen she is going to the memorial up thread that may be a good sign for the kids maybe they are working together and the media is twisting it as usual

[who_is_it]

I hope NBC puts those home videos on their website. They showed home videos of Michael with the children. You HAVE to see them.

Thanx for letting me know. I will look for them in some days.

[Nic99]

Popped over to Ebay to check out what of MJ's was being sold.

Lots of ticket stubs, but the thing I had to laugh at was this:



http://cgi.ebay.ca/The-Michael-Jackson-Memorial-Service-NOTIFICATION-EMAIL_W0QQitemZ270421726421QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_T ickets_all_in_one?hash=item3ef66414d5&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C72%3A1215%7C 240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50

It's an email notification! Man, some people will do anything for a buck! lol

JMO

That is totally crazy lol. They are bigging up the font, HTML, etc, etc. What a mad world we do live in sometimes.

[aproudmom]

I think the burial is this afternoon and just think they are trying to ward off the media. Guess we'll find out later.

so it is today then? see I just read tomorrow morning before the memorial..ugh they also go to court over the trust today right? alot in one day or maybe the lawyers will take care of it..

[Firehead11]

I think Forest Lawn must have 24 hour security guards on staff. I had always thought Neverland should be his resting place, but it appears as though he never wanted to go back there after the cops raided his home. JMO.

I agree with you but I still think it should be his resting place. He had good memories and bad memories there. I hope that they will still do this after all the legal stuff is taken care of.

[aproudmom]

Popped over to Ebay to check out what of MJ's was being sold.

Lots of ticket stubs, but the thing I had to laugh at was this:



http://cgi.ebay.ca/The-Michael-Jackson-Memorial-Service-NOTIFICATION-EMAIL_W0QQitemZ270421726421QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_T ickets_all_in_one?hash=item3ef66414d5&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C72%3A1215%7C 240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50

It's an email notification! Man, some people will do anything for a buck! lol

JMO

OFGS OK that is crazy

[aproudmom]

OK Pete King is gonna get shot..that is sick I am sorry that is wrong...to go on camera and call a dead man that is very sad..and hope the fans who are from there demand a apology or something..:cursing:

[*Serenity*]

At least five of those doctors who prescribed medication to Jackson are under investigation, and detectives from the LAPD's robbery-homicide division — who are assisting in the case due to its high-profile nature — executed searches over the past week. A spokesperson for the Los Angeles County Superior Court confirmed that a judge signed off on three searches but would not specify what detectives were looking for and whether or not they found it.



http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1615295/20090706/jackson_michael.jhtml?rsspartner=rssYahooNewscrawl er

[*Serenity*]

OK Pete King is gonna get shot..that is sick I am sorry that is wrong...to go on camera and call a dead man that is very sad..and hope the fans who are from there demand a apology or something..:cursing:

Sorry- Mom... what are you talking about here? I missed this. :)

[aproudmom]

I wouldn't wonder if there were helicopters (like when PH was arrested) which disturb the privacy of the family.

well on CNN they said no burial plans have been announced boy they are keeping quite which is good..

[dinojen]

Hey dino I'm calling your boss J/K Hope you all had a great weekend:tonguewag:

I saw him never named anyone on the show I watched he just said let the man be laid to rest and be fair everything is negative and MJ has done alot of good .. I kinda agree with him only because he said there is plenty of time for the negative things to be talked about usually I can not stand him but for once I kinda agreed with him..he just ask them to be fair to not only talk about the negative to also focus on the good MJ did

oh BTW I think someone said CNN starts at 6am coverage tomorrow sure it will be on live stream you wont get anything done at work better drink up on the latte

I saw DR she was very angry actually shocked she got out with all the craziness..I bet she could have took that dude down she meant business..I could not stand that I would be in Jail I seen she is going to the memorial up thread that may be a good sign for the kids maybe they are working together and the media is twisting it as usual

No boss.. he had a rude awakening last week and spent a few days in the hospital.. so us girls are on our own... Talked to him Thursday and he was going home.. Told him I was taking the kit kat bars out of the snack machine.. lol. He's a nice guy.. heck he lets me listen to golf when it's on the internet...

Yeah I saw somewhere that said CNN would have livestream of the news tomorrow.. so for sure I will be tuned in.

Not sure about my feelings about DR.. they say the kids don't even know she is their mother.. now is not the time to start trying to bond especially after losing the one parent they had and from the sounds of it were crazy about.. She's one weird lady IMO.. and yeah she could of decked that photog I bet.. lol

I'll PM you tomorrow just in case I can't find a link :wink:

[aproudmom]

Sorry- Mom... what are you talking about here? I missed this. :)

on CNN he was calling MJ a pedo and a child molester and so on and on and on and it is wrong he is a elected official someone posted it this morning but this was him in person on camera no media twisting

[VC2]

OMG Serenity surly he would not go on camera and say that if not true..is this doctor still in hiding or whatever his lawyer called it..and then the bodyguard was it reported he is also not around? all I have to say is I see arrest in the near future..MJ paid the ultimate price his life now it is time to hold these docs accountable...I sure hope someone is watching them..They just showed DR on CNN coming out of a restaurant I thought she was going to beat up the reporter..she was mad

Let us hope she realizes that will be her life if she fights and gets custody :D

[*Serenity*]

Michael Jackson's family wants to delay the designation of administrators of the pop icon's estate so they can look closer into his financial affairs, a person close to the family told the Associated Press.

The family members also cited a desire to search for any other wills and accommodate Jackson's memorial service Tuesday as a reason to postpone Monday's court hearing.




http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/michael_jackson/2009/07/06/2009-07-06_michael_jacksons_family_asks_judge_to_delay_des ignating_executors_based_on_2002_.html

[aproudmom]

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/07/madonna-pays-tribute-michael-jackson
Madonna Pays Tribute to Michael Jackson

[incidentally]

Got to love them tabloids wonder if this was on Athena's list? BTW is anyone watching CNN they keep saying they have 3 warrants can anyone confirm? 30 docs it would not surprise me at all but would rather see it or hear it on a better more reliable link I did see him going into some sort of clinic several times would like to know what docs work there

COPS TO GRILL 30 MEDICS
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/87834/Cops-to-grill-30-medics/

Yes, this is on "the list".

[aproudmom]

THIS IS WRONG:angry:
Congressman Pete King from New York takes time out of his 4th of July weekend to bash Michael Jackson
Granted the media coverage has been out of control, but did King really have to go out of his way to lash out at Jackson on charges that were never proven? What a piece of work.

If you feel the need, contact Pete King at his website, or by phone: 516-541-4225, or email: Pete.King@mail.house.gov.

http://www.inlookout.com/2009/07/06/new-york-rep-pete-king-bashes-michael-jackson-media-has-disgraced-itself-for-glorifying-some-pervert/

[dinojen]

on CNN he was calling MJ a pedo and a child molester and so on and on and on and it is wrong he is a elected official someone posted it this morning but this was him in person on camera no media twisting

OMG.. I think they had that dude on TMZ this weekend.. isn't he like a Congressman from NY... What a class act.. :angry:

Here's the link TMZ has.. What a jerk.. to be a politician and make those comments.. hey think them all you want but should of been kept to himself at least till the deceased is buried... just is wrong.. IMO

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/05/congressman-on-jackson-he-was-a-pedophile/

[*Serenity*]

on CNN he was calling MJ a pedo and a child molester and so on and on and on and it is wrong he is a elected official someone posted it this morning but this was him in person on camera no media twisting


He's a real bright one... hey?


I just read quite a few links about him, and some not so nice.
Sounds like maybe Michael Jackson does not have the 'exclusive' for
some of his off the wall behavior.

Guess he thinks demoralizing the dead will win some of the on
fence supporters over to his camp. WOW

[CeruleanBleu]

I think he said the bottom was silver and the top was green so that would be oxygen tanks imo.

imo

I wonder if they were really 'ether tanks' that had been repainted?

[achristie]

well on CNN they said no burial plans have been announced boy they are keeping quite which is good..

I hope they were , or are, able to pull off a quiet funeral and burial.
He needs to be laid to rest.

MOO Aggie

[aproudmom]

Yes, this is on "the list".

thanks..I am about done reading anything and just watching the memorial and be done with it..

[~layla~]

snipped.....
Oh but one thing he did say is that people are going to be surprised; that DR has seen the kids and has stayed in contact with MJ. I don't think they know she is their mother though.
WHAT?
DR is whose mother (besides to her own grown/almost grown children)?

[who_is_it]

EVEN BIGGER DECEPTION THAN YESTERDAY -- PLEASE HELP TO REPORT

Many memorial tickets are sold on ebay now.

In many cases the auctions end at a time when the memorial is over!!!

Please help to report these people who use Michael Jackson's death to deceive others and make money. Ebay removes them. Some 100,000.00-buy-now-offers (no joke here!) already have been removed.

This is how you can report it:

- Search for the item number.
- Scroll down on the page.
- You see "other option" (bold).
- Below is a link "report item".
- Chose what you want to report.
- The item number appears automatically.

110411093931 (US $ $12,100.00, allegedly* current bid, time left 2d 14h 35m when the memorial is over)

190319738666 (US $12,099.99, allegedly* current bid)

At the time I looked there were about 60 auctions! -- Should it be reported to the police, too!?

----
* "allegedly" because the bidders are hidden with ****

[aproudmom]

He's a real bright one... hey?


I just read quite a few links about him, and some not so nice.
Sounds like maybe Michael Jackson does not have the 'exclusive' for
some of his off the wall behavior.

Guess he thinks demoralizing the dead will win some of the on
fence supporters over to his camp. WOW

I have already sent my response to him and will focus on spreading the link I have a cousin in Iraq for the 3rd time I have a BIL who did 2 tours of duty may have to go for a 3rd I am a family full of Law Enf and his statement is sick to me I would agree we should give our heroes more guess he forgot all the money MJ did donate to cancer he must not know to darn much the stupid FAT ******** it is OK I am a no body but I will not stop every fan site will have that link the power of the net is amazing and so are fans I am not a huge one of his but I was Dale Earnhardt and we kept his autopsy photos out of the hands of the media..

Have a wonderful day everyone sorry this really makes me mad he does not need to speak for my family members who are and have fought and died he used them IMO to make a hate speech and everyone should be angry over that..JMO

[*Serenity*]

We're inside the courtroom as the lawyer for the co-executors of Michael Jackson's will, John Branca and John McClain, go before a judge seeking to be named administrator of Jackson's estate.


http://www.tmz.com/

[VC2]

OMG.. I think they had that dude on TMZ this weekend.. isn't he like a Congressman from NY... What a class act.. :angry:

Here's the link TMZ has.. What a jerk.. to be a politician and make those comments.. hey think them all you want but should of been kept to himself at least till the deceased is buried... just is wrong.. IMO

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/05/congressman-on-jackson-he-was-a-pedophile/

If his district is in a high population area of NY state i think he will be punished appropriately by MJ's fans..and perhaps non fans because it was so tasteless..when election time rolls around

IMO

[GentleBreeze]

I wonder if they were really 'ether tanks' that had been repainted?

I don't think so. They would have to get them refilled and they will not refill any medical cannister/cylinder that has been altered in any way including paint.

imo

[annalyzer]

EVEN BIGGER DECEPTION THAN YESTERDAY -- PLEASE HELP TO REPORT


At the time I looked there were about 60 auctions! -- Should it be reported to the police, too!?

----
* "allegedly" because the bidders are hidden with ****


Who cares? If people are stupid enough to buy them that is their problem.

[CeruleanBleu]

I don't think so. They would have to get them refilled and they will not refill any medical cannister/cylinder that has been altered in any way including paint.

imo

It was a thought, after all he had the diprivan that is strictly for hospital-surgical use in his house so it's not that far out there.

[VC2]

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/michael_jackson/2009/07/06/2009-07-06_michael_jacksons_family_asks_judge_to_delay_des ignating_executors_based_on_2002_.html

I don't like this. I see a portion of the family wanting to delay the rightful executors as long as possible, while katherine and imo joe or someone else bc katherine is not the business/finance person, recovers/moves/changes assets or puts them in certain accounts for individual family members wishes.

Also..look fora nother will?? all his attorneys seem to have spoken out, they publicly said there was no other will.

I just think they will fight his wishes tooth and nail as far as his executors and assets go.

IMO

[Cornblossom]

I don't think so. They would have to get them refilled and they will not refill any medical cannister/cylinder that has been altered in any way including paint.

imothat's if everything is being done by the book and legal....which apparently it wasn't being done in the Jackson home. My oxygen canisters are green with silver bottom......also you can now buy your own machines to refill oxygen canisters.

[incidentally]

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/06/jackson-court-hearing/

TMZ covering court hearing in progress now.

[GentleBreeze]

that's if everything is being done by the book and legal....which apparently it wasn't being done in the Jackson home. My oxygen canisters are green with silver bottom......also you can now buy your own machines to refill oxygen canisters.

CeruleanBleu said they may have been painted and maybe filled with Ether.

I believe they are oxygen. No chemical medical gas company would pump Ether in a oxygen cannister.

Do you have to refill your machine with oxygen? How does it get in the machine. Is it refillable and by whom? Just curious. Who do you buy the machines from?

That is all I am saying. I think most likely these cannisters were oxygen just like the Chef thought and looked just like the cannister/cylinder that was in the link above.

imo

[incidentally]

Apparently Katherine is filing an opposition to the will but is not challenging it? What does that mean. The will states " There is a "no-contest" clause in the trust, that distributes Jackson's money. As we reported, 40% goes to the kids, 40% goes to Katherine and 20% goes to children's charities. A no-contest clause means if someone challenges the will or trust they automatically inherit nothing.".

Is using "opposition" a legal lope hole making the word just short of "challenge"?

[GentleBreeze]

Apparently Katherine is filing an opposition to the will but is not challenging it? What does that mean. The will states " There is a "no-contest" clause in the trust, that distributes Jackson's money. As we reported, 40% goes to the kids, 40% goes to Katherine and 20% goes to children's charities. A no-contest clause means if someone challenges the will or trust they automatically inherit nothing.".

Is using "opposition" a legal lope hole making the word just short of "challenge"?

I am not sure but it seems what MJ had is what is called a "Bullet Proof Will" and if anyone contests the Will they are automatically excluded even if they were listed as one of the recipients.

imo

[incidentally]

12:19 PM ET -- Bond has been set at $1 million. That is to protect the estate in the event the administrators waste or misspend assets.

12:14 PM ET -- Branca and McClain have just been appointed the special administrators of Michael Jackson's estate. The judge feels Jackson's 2002 will should be controlling.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/06/jackson-court-hearing/

[dinojen]

For some reason I think I trust his attorney's more than I do the family being Michael more or less left them all out of the will. I'm sure he wanted his mother to be taken care of as it states in the will.. but after her death I would want to make sure that any monies went back to the trust for the children..

I don't know obviously Michael had a lot of trust in Branca and McClain.. obviously more than his family... glad the judge ruled as he did.

JMO

[norwood]

I find it interesting that the bond is only $1 million. That would set the value of real assets low to be mismanaged.

[VC2]

Apparently Katherine is filing an opposition to the will but is not challenging it? What does that mean. The will states " There is a "no-contest" clause in the trust, that distributes Jackson's money. As we reported, 40% goes to the kids, 40% goes to Katherine and 20% goes to children's charities. A no-contest clause means if someone challenges the will or trust they automatically inherit nothing.".

Is using "opposition" a legal lope hole making the word just short of "challenge"?

I am going to be really blunt here. No matter how much i like KJ and think she and michael adored each other, or that she should be guardian to the kids, this truly is despicable if true.

The really sad thing imo is that KJ is getting pushed by some other family members and joe, but they can't challenge themselves so are convincing her that she must. She is a puppet in this and imo that alone means that she should not have any hands on the money apart from what the trust states and is given out. And if she is not a puppet then i think the very fact she is doing this tells us financially she does not have MJ's wishes in mind. He wrote a will and from what i hear a trust that looks after her very well and as jermaine "slipped" a bit, if katherine is ok then the whole family is looked after. The will was fair, there is no reason to contest it. Suggesting that Branca who has known MJ for years and has a sterling reputation in legal circles shouldn't be executor is for one reason and one reason alone. $$$$$$$$$$ and greed.

I so hope the judge sees through this rather than buy into it.

imo

[incidentally]

I found it interesting the Joe was brought up:

11:53 AM ET -- Katherine's lawyer is raising questions about the 2002 will, but just said Joe and Katherine will not challenge the will at this time.

-----

Joe was not even named in the will. I guess Joe still has Katherine in his clutches.

[Cornblossom]

CeruleanBleu said they may have been painted and maybe filled with Ether.

I believe they are oxygen. No chemical medical gas company would pump Ether in a oxygen cannister.

Do you have to refill your machine with oxygen? How does it get in the machine. Is it refillable and by whom? Just curious. Who do you buy the machines from?

That is all I am saying. I think most likely these cannisters were oxygen just like the Chef thought and looked just like the cannister/cylinder that was in the link above.

imohere you go.....http://www.breathepureair.com/oxygentanks.html the one I have and use. I'm saying a person can get the tanks and refill them with ether beings they're not on the up and up anyway. I have three small tanks and two large,then a machine that filters air from room and makes oxygen. If I was MJ's doctor-I could probably take these tanks to the hospital or my clinic and fill them full of ether and people would think they were oxygen.

[GentleBreeze]

I find it interesting that the bond is only $1 million. That would set the value of real assets low to be mismanaged.

It is customary for there to be a bond especially if the Administrators aren't family.

I really don't think the Judge thinks there will be any mismanagement.

Both of these guys are highly qualified in their field of expertise.

Now I feel much better. They will know how to keep the assets rising in value and doing the best deals for the Estate and MJs children as well as Katherine.

imo

[incidentally]

I am going to be really blunt here. No matter how much i like KJ and think she and michael adored each other, or that she should be guardian to the kids, this truly is despicable if true.

The really sad thing imo is that KJ is getting pushed by some other family members and joe, but they can't challenge themselves so are convincing her that she must. She is a puppet in this and imo that alone means that she should not have any hands on the money apart from what the trust states and is given out. And if she is not a puppet then i think the very fact she is doing this tells us financially she does not have MJ's wishes in mind. He wrote a will and from what i hear a trust that looks after her very well and as jermaine "slipped" a bit, if katherine is ok then the whole family is looked after. The will was fair, there is no reason to contest it. Suggesting that Branca who has known MJ for years and has a sterling reputation in legal circles shouldn't be executor is for one reason and one reason alone. $$$$$$$$$$ and greed.

I so hope the judge sees through this rather than buy into it.

imo

It scares me, for the children, that Katherine is seemingly nothing more the a puppet to the family. I think this woman needs to grow a backbone before her family strips the well dry and she is left with nothing.

[incidentally]

I find it interesting that the bond is only $1 million. That would set the value of real assets low to be mismanaged.

I believe the judge was sending a clear message to Katherine aka The Jackson family by setting the bond so low.

I think the judge knows she is being pushed around by the family and the attorneys representing her.

I'm pleased with the results. The only step they have left is to challenge the will and if they do that, all bets are off.

[GentleBreeze]

here you go.....http://www.breathepureair.com/oxygentanks.html the one I have and use.

Thank you so much Corny. I feel better now. I thought the person was refilling them on their own but I see that is not the case and the company that provides them fills them to proper procedures and specifications.

imo

[who_is_it]

Who cares? If people are stupid enough to buy them that is their problem.

I do care. I find it unethical to make money by a passed away person... and by that I not only mean the sellers on ebay but also some media outlets.

Furthermore there are maybe some - specially elder people - who are not used to buy something on ebay and fall for it.

There's a third reason why people are deceived: In Europe you write numbers in a different way.

US 100,000.00 = Europe 100.000,00

(Having never learned about the difference at school or university) it took me quite a while to understand. Some of these sellers place their offers in European countries. Maybe some fans have flight reservations but no tickets. They might fall for it.

P.S.: Btw, I myself never tried to get a ticket.

[VC2]

12:19 PM ET -- Bond has been set at $1 million. That is to protect the estate in the event the administrators waste or misspend assets.

12:14 PM ET -- Branca and McClain have just been appointed the special administrators of Michael Jackson's estate. The judge feels Jackson's 2002 will should be controlling.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/06/jackson-court-hearing/

YES!!!!!

good move judge. I don't care how much the kids will be better off with KJ, i trust none of them with his assets, Branca and McClain are a good choice.

Not sure if the 1 mill bond is low, but at first sight his debt is severe. That does not mean that with good management he won't have a billion dollar estate left once all things are dealt with. It also probably has a lot to do with liquid vs real assets.

its not easy to liquify 1 million dollars. I seriously doubt MJ had that just sitting in the bank, goodness knows who would have put garnishees or liens on it tying up the account. The more an estates value is, the more difficulty in supplying a bond.

IMO

[Cornblossom]

IMO.....by the time this estate mess is cleared up,these children's children will be haggering over their estates!

[incidentally]

YES!!!!!
snipped

its not easy to liquify 1 million dollars. I seriously doubt MJ had that just sitting in the bank, goodness knows who would have put garnishees or liens on it tying up the account. The more an estates value is, the more difficulty in supplying a bond.

IMO

I'm not sure I understand this part of your post. Can you dummy it down for me? :blink:

[who_is_it]

"11:49 AM ET -- Katherine expressed concern over beneficiaries mentioned in the trust."

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/06/jackson-court-hearing/#continuedcontents

Could religious communities be "charity", too?

[VC2]

It is customary for there to be a bond especially if the Administrators aren't family.

I really don't think the Judge thinks there will be any mismanagement.

Both of these guys are highly qualified in their field of expertise.

Now I feel much better. They will know how to keep the assets rising in value and doing the best deals for the Estate and MJs children as well as Katherine.

imo

Yes and imo not only do you need an expert attorney for an estate as complicated as this, but any attorney chosen by the jackson family would be pushovers to do what ever hair brained scheme Joe thought up.

Seems the will and trust were written very very well. Thank goodness Branca was brought back on board because i don't think he would have forgotten to ask MJ about a new will since 2002. Also it is not a hanger on who jumped in after his death, was already back in the team showing MJ conclusively trusted him when he died.

IMO

[incidentally]

12:37 PM ET -- The lawyer for Branca and McClain is talking about the possibility of "extreme loss" to the estate -- as a result of "unlicensed activities."

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/06/jackson-court-hearing/

[Cornblossom]

11:58 AM ET -- There is a "no-contest" clause in the trust, that distributes Jackson's money. As we reported, 40% goes to the kids, 40% goes to Katherine and 20% goes to children's charities. A no-contest clause means if someone challenges the will or trust they automatically inherit nothing.
If I'm not in the will then why can't I contest it....I'm not getting anything anyway? LMAO

[*Serenity*]

12:09 PM ET -- The judge just said he may appoint an independent lawyer for the kids.

12:06 PM ET -- The lawyer for the named co-executors says he has a letter from Michael Jackson stating he wanted Branca to be in control of his affairs. The letter was dated June 17, 2009, 8 days before Jackson died.

12:00 PM ET -- It appears there is some contentiousness -- the judge said if the two sides continue to squabble, he'll appoint an independent special administrator to temporarily oversee the estate.

http://www.tmz.com/

[incidentally]

12:47 PM ET -- Katherine's lawyer is now asking the judge if she can have approval rights before executors make financial decisions with respect to the estate.

Oppostion..approval rights..anything to stay just short of contesting the will.

Sheesh, they're not giving up!

[Dunlurken]

11:58 AM ET -- There is a "no-contest" clause in the trust, that distributes Jackson's money. As we reported, 40% goes to the kids, 40% goes to Katherine and 20% goes to children's charities. A no-contest clause means if someone challenges the will or trust they automatically inherit nothing.
If I'm not in the will then why can't I contest it....I'm not getting anything anyway? LMAO

Then that means Debbie will get nothing unless she goes after custody of the kids. What a mess. JMO.

[Cornblossom]

Then that means Debbie will get nothing unless she goes after custody of the kids. What a mess. JMO.
She's intentionally left out of the will anyway,so she's not getting anything,if she contests the will she gets nothing cause she contested it...so if she gets custody of the kids-she can't control their money because she contested the will? LMAO

[CinderL.]

This TMZ article makes it sound like KJ's attny. is the one that wants control. He would stand to make a lot of money if he were in control.

**************

Jackson Showdown in Court Today

Posted Jul 6th 2009 1:20AM by TMZ Staff

Today we'll know if Katherine Jackson will fight over Michael Jackson's will -- or at least we'll know if her lawyer plans a fight.

We've learned lawyers for John Branca and John McClain -- the two men named co-executors in Michael Jackson's will -- will ask the judge to put them in charge of the estate, at least until the will is formally presented in court.

But here's the wild card -- last week, before the will was filed, Katherine Jackson's lawyer, Londell McMillan, went to court and got the judge to temporarily make Katherine the administrator of the estate. That power expires today.

The question -- will McMillan object to putting Branca and McClain in control of the estate? Jermaine Jackson has said he wants everyone to respect Michael's wishes. Sources tell us Jermaine's feelings are shared by the other siblings, but McMillan may have a different agenda. We're told many members of Michael's family are upset with McMillan and believe he's grandstanding. Lawyers for the named co-executors are bracing for a fight.

Ironically, the will names Katherine the guardian of Michael's children.

[Dunlurken]

She's intentionally left out of the will anyway,so she's not getting anything,if she contests the will she gets nothing cause she contested it...so if she gets custody of the kids-she can't control their money because she contested the will? LMAO

I think the lawyers who wrote up that will were very, very smart. Or else MJ was very smart. jmo

[Cornblossom]

1:00 PM ET -- The judge just made it clear -- Katherine is NOT a co-administrator and she is not required to be involved in every decision. But, he pointed out, her attorney does have the ability to object.

12:54 PM ET -- The executors are also interested in operating his businesses (employees, investments, etc.) but any new business ventures would be subject to court approval.

12:49 PM ET -- The lawyer for the executors is balking about giving Katherine approval power. The judge has said he wants the executors to keep Katherine in the loop about decisions being brought before the court.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/06/jackson-court-hearing/#continuedcontents

[Ice Cycle]

I think this is why Katherine is opposing the will and I do find that kind of odd.

Katherine's lawyer said Katherine was concerned about Branca's relationship with the singer before he died. Branca had rejoined Jackson just weeks before his death.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/06/jackson-court-hearing/

[incidentally]

1:00 PM ET -- The judge just made it clear -- Katherine is NOT a co-administrator and she is not required to be involved in every decision. But, he pointed out, her attorney does have the ability to object.

Hmmm. If they object, could this be considered a form of contesting the will or not?

[Cornblossom]

I think this is why Katherine is opposing the will and I do find that kind of odd.

Katherine's lawyer said Katherine was concerned about Branca's relationship with the singer before he died. Branca had rejoined Jackson just weeks before his death.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/06/jackson-court-hearing/
I believe he didn't want his mom to be executor or administrator because he knew how "influential" his dad would be to her. He must have trusted this guy.

[Dunlurken]

1:00 PM ET -- The judge just made it clear -- Katherine is NOT a co-administrator and she is not required to be involved in every decision. But, he pointed out, her attorney does have the ability to object.

Hmmm. If they object, could this be considered a form of contesting the will or not?

I would think so. As I said, it's a mess.

HLN is saying scalping of tickets is a good possibility. They just had the Deputy Police Chief on HLN and he is urging people to stay home.

[who_is_it]

It's not "only" about money but also about Michael's imaginable wish that his (unpublished) music reaches many people in a successful way. To care for this it's better if an entertainment attorney and an entertainment manager are the executors...

[who_is_it]

I don't find it odd at all considering the history with MJ and Branca. I think MJ called Branca back in because he was trying to find a way out of those 50 concerts. His business manager signed for 40 more but by all accounts MJ just wanted to do 10. He also started surrounding himself with old buddies he worked with years ago - such as Frank DeLeo, Lou Ferrigno, Miko Brando, etc.

Even more exact I suppose this was the reason why Michael re-hired Branca 8 days before his death:

(quote from an article published BEFORE Michael's death):


Phillips: "When I asked him why he was doing this tour now, he said it was because his kids are old enough to appreciate it and he still felt young enough to do it. He’s told me that whatever profit he makes from these shows will go into a trust fund for his children."

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/music/article6372171.ece?token=null&offset=0&page=1

[dinojen]

I think MJ told him what he wanted and the lawyers put it in legalise :)

1) NO Debbie Rowe
2) NO Joe Jackson
3) NO Siblings
4) Enough for his mom to take care of the children and any monies left over go to the children
5) In the event of KJ's death, wants Diana Ross to take them
6) Branca drew up most of MJ's business dealings except this one with AEG so they are very familiar

You about hit everything I could think of...

Also heard last week or so that all the unrecorded songs that found that have not been published at his home in a vault.. supposedly over 100 he had them put in his three children's names... now that could just be fodder by the media.. but sure seems that is the way it should be... I would hate to see his siblings live off his name and his work.. JMHO.. because their last name is Jackson also..

[Shells2]

12:47 PM ET -- Katherine's lawyer is now asking the judge if she can have approval rights before executors make financial decisions with respect to the estate.

!

That say's a lot right there imo

[Cornblossom]

Oh exactly -- and probably wants any royalties to go to the children's trust.joe Jackson mentioned that he was going to start his own record company...do you think he had plans or hopes to start this company with the unpublished works of Michael?

[dinojen]

Aha -- that makes sense. With all the hoopla about the 50 concerts figured he might want Branca to review contract -- but this makes perfect sense.

Someone said the other night I forget who asked and I think it might of been Branca.. if 50 concerts were too many for Jackson.. and his response was no.. he was in terrific shape, looking forward to doing the concerts and while 50 sounded like alot .. it broke down to like 2.5 concerts a week... so that didn't sound that bad..

Glad MJ picked the people he did too look out after him.

Can you imagine what the tapes of him rehearsing for this concert are going to be worth for the kids.. I would think big bucks.. plus they will have it to see him at what he loved to do.

[incidentally]

They just finished a news conference with Katherine and "Joe's" attorney. They must have brought Joe's name up at least three times and the Jackson Family several times more.

These people are not giving up. They plan to look into any and all reasons that the executors Michael picked should not be in control. They said they have until the next court date, August 3rd to look into the situation more clearly. They also stated they did not want to be there today as they wished more time but had to follow the court's order for them to appear.

This is going to get very nasty.

The one attorney said the judge ordered Katherine and Joe to be advised of any decisions made by the executors. I read that Katherine (no mention of Joe of the family) should be kept in the loop but didn't hear about her having to be consulted on any and all decisions. Of course any decisions made must go before the court.

[sustained]

12:19 PM ET -- Bond has been set at $1 million. That is to protect the estate in the event the administrators waste or misspend assets.

12:14 PM ET -- Branca and McClain have just been appointed the special administrators of Michael Jackson's estate. The judge feels Jackson's 2002 will should be controlling.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/06/jackson-court-hearing/


It's good to know Michael had some good advice and did leave a valid will.

[Ice Cycle]

http://my.att.net/s/editorial.dll?pnum=1&bfromind=7403&eeid=6655607&_sitecat=1479&dcatid=0&eetype=article&render=y&ac=-2&ck=&ch=ne&s=en&rg=blsadstrgt&l=hm


Levitch told Beckloff that Branca had previously been removed from financial positions of authority by Jackson. Branca's attorney says he was rehired by Jackson on June 17, days before Jackson's death.

Katherine Jackson did not appear at Monday's hearing. Branca did attend.

Branca and McClain will have to post a $1 million bond on the estate, Beckloff ruled. Their authority over the estate will expire Aug. 3, when another hearing on the estate will be held.

"Mr. Branca and Mr. McClain for the next month are at the helm of the ship," Beckloff said.

Katherine Jackson's attorneys had asked that she be appointed to serve as a co-administrator with Branca and McClain.

Beckloff did not grant that request. Beckloff considered which powers over the estate to give to McClain and Branca. Beckloff stressed that Katherine Jackson should be given complete information about major transactions, but that he as the judge would grant final approval.

John E. Schreiber, an attorney for Katherine Jackson, said, "Frankly, Mrs. Jackson has concerns about handing over the keys to the kingdom."

Paul Gordon Hoffman, an attorney for Branca and McClain, said some of Katherine Jackson's concerns were unfounded.

"We're not aware of any real conflicts at all," he said in response to a claim that the men may have business dealings with parties such as concert promoter AEG Live.

[CinderL.]

Please correct me if I am mistaken..Isnt Michaael's will already stipulating that the kids will get 40%..as well as the other breadowns in the will..??

To me, this will is in regards to his estate..and his estate is not a closed book so to speak, since Trust funds are already in the works..to receive funds from investments and business dealings??..Am I wrong to think that?..Law in these matters is not my forte..LOL

I dont trust Joe one bit, and I am sure he will do his best to get whatever he can thru Katherine...she is 80 years old and I dont believe she could just say NO to him.....as no doubt Joe feels entitled..???Yikes, Dont think she'll grow the backbone someone suggested earlier..IF she didnt have one to begin with..??

LMS

Which brings up another point. They are 80yrs. old. How much money could they need? They aren't going to live forever.

[Tokyo Rose]

joe Jackson mentioned that he was going to start his own record company...do you think he had plans or hopes to start this company with the unpublished works of Michael?

Yes, but he is out of luck there. :laugh:

[Cornblossom]

Which brings up another point. They are 80yrs. old. How much money could they need? They aren't going to live forever.
they could live another 20 years...so quite a bit if they want to keep on living in the style they are accustomed to. IMO

[VC2]

12:47 PM ET -- Katherine's lawyer is now asking the judge if she can have approval rights before executors make financial decisions with respect to the estate.

Oppostion..approval rights..anything to stay just short of contesting the will.

Sheesh, they're not giving up!

Yep. This is ridiculous. MJ was an adult, he had every right to leave his estate as he wanted and in the hands of whom he wanted. The will as written and imo the trust (bc of the way the will was handled) is airtight. If he had disinherited his children or some such thing then ok, family should contest it but this isn't the case.

I would be livid on MJ's behalf about this stuff.

IMO

[who_is_it]

I would think so. As I said, it's a mess.

HLN is saying scalping of tickets is a good possibility.
<snipped>



Scalpers try on ebay, too. I reported many of them. The highest price was more than US $ 900,000.00 -- probably as a result of the use of fake accounts to bid.

ebay it TOTALLY behind to delete these auctions. About 1.5 hours ago there were around 60 auctions, now there are only about 10 left. But if they get deleted the scalpers place a new auction with a different account.

[Cornblossom]

Yes, but he is out of luck there. :laugh:
that giives you a warm and fuzzy feeling knowing that LMAO

[who_is_it]

joe Jackson mentioned that he was going to start his own record company...do you think he had plans or hopes to start this company with the unpublished works of Michael?

I'm convinced this would have been his aim.

As far as I know Sony has all rights. The songs are better with Sony imo.

[Ice Cycle]

Yep. This is ridiculous. MJ was an adult, he had every right to leave his estate as he wanted and in the hands of whom he wanted. The will as written and imo the trust (bc of the way the will was handled) is airtight. If he had disinherited his children or some such thing then ok, family should contest it but this isn't the case.

I would be livid on MJ's behalf about this stuff.

IMO

Yes but he did leave control of the kids to Katherine and technically speaking 40% is also theirs so she does have the right to look out for their financial best interest as well. Which is why I think the Judge ordered it the way he did, with her being notified of any major decisions.

[Tokyo Rose]

I'm glad Joe is not too senile yet to know his son cut him out of everything.:thumbsup:

[incidentally]

The statement above modified by me;

John E. Schreiber, an attorney for Katherine Jackson, said, "Frankly, MR. Jackson has concerns about handing over the keys to the kingdom."

There seem to be a lot of misinformation in Ice Cycle's link. I hope the transcript will be made available.

[VC2]

I think this is why Katherine is opposing the will and I do find that kind of odd.

Katherine's lawyer said Katherine was concerned about Branca's relationship with the singer before he died. Branca had rejoined Jackson just weeks before his death.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/06/jackson-court-hearing/

Not so odd at all. For months MJ had been bringing back the team that did so well for him. Dileo as manager etc. Branca was one of the final ppl of that time brought back.

it is more proof that he started getting his life together and climb out of the hole he was in due to his own issues and the ones caused by the leeches who surrounded him while he was emotionally unable to deal with business or music.

The team he brought back on board are known to be reputable people. For example Branca is extremely well known in the civil attorney field and highly respected. MJ was best man to his wedding.

Branca and McClaine have hired Howard Weitzman to handle the probate and settlements. Another reputable and well known attorney..well as tmz said, famous. I doubt anyone who follows legal things has not heard of Weitzman.

MJ also was backing off his family a lot which imo is again proof good judgement coming to the fore but to be honest, with a tour like 02 coming up, there were hours of rehearsals, meetings, choreography and other decisions which would make him less accessible anyway. It has been 12 years though so perhaps his family forgot the sort of mega undertaking it was in time alone.

Branca has so far shown himself to be as careful and honest as his reputation said about him. Even getting the letter from MJ after he came back on board to ensure that no questions arose, nothing to do with his death but there are things he had to deal with as an attorney and needed to prove it was he that had the control, not the old attorneys

[dinojen]

I'm convinced this would have been his aim.

As far as I know Sony has all rights. The songs are better with Sony imo.

I heard somewhere on the news last week when these songs were originally found that the rights to those songs were to be in trust to his kids.. going to have to do some googling... that was per MJ's wishes..

Supposedly a portfolio of songs were left in trust for his children.. so old Joe better get a clue..

This is the only link I can find.. but if Jackson made his will as he did I would find it hard to believe that he would not allow for his children in his contract with Sony in his death.. (does that make any sense?) I would hate to see the other's profit from it.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Endless-supply-of-music-in-apf-845439362.html?x=0&.v=1

[Tokyo Rose]

Yes but he did leave control of the kids to Katherine and technically speaking 40% is also theirs so she does have the right to look out for their financial best interest as well. Which is why I think the Judge ordered it the way he did, with her being notified of any major decisions.

That will fall by the wayside at the next hearing I hope. Her judgment can't be too good after having to file bankruptcy for over the top spending. jmo

[VC2]

omg the amount of people in line to sign the memorial mural already.

[incidentally]

I don't understand why the attorneys representing Katherine kept referring to Katherine and Joe and then The Jackson Family.

[*Serenity*]

Thank you for your registration.

Sorry, we regret to inform you that your registration to attend the Public Memorial Service for Michael Jackson was not selected.

Hundreds of thousands registered, but only a few can be in attendance.


They even notified the losers... :)

[incidentally]

OMG! They hired Howard Weitzman! MJ was anti-semitic.

Remember his song "Jew me, sue me, what can you do me.........?"

imo

No he wasn't.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/They_Don%27t_Care_About_Us

[Tokyo Rose]

OMG! They hired Howard Weitzman! MJ was anti-semitic.

Remember his song "Jew me, sue me, what can you do me.........?"

imo

LOL He was brought on board to oversee the creditors claiming against the estate. He must be an expert in that regard. I don't think MJ would object. jmo

[aproudmom]

OMG.. I think they had that dude on TMZ this weekend.. isn't he like a Congressman from NY... What a class act.. :angry:

Here's the link TMZ has.. What a jerk.. to be a politician and make those comments.. hey think them all you want but should of been kept to himself at least till the deceased is buried... just is wrong.. IMO

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/05/congressman-on-jackson-he-was-a-pedophile/

I do apologize for getting so angry but I just think it is wrong to call someone those things and being a elected official I agree with him on doing more for our troops I am sure you know my BIL has been to Iraq 2 times if you looked at my pics on myspace and I just do not appreciate him using Military and LE and cancer patients to spread hate about MJ..but I did my best with emails and calls I am just glad he is not my State Rep but did call mine just to vent..lol. I campaign for all of them they best listen when I B****I guess I am thinking of those 3 kids more than MJ

[incidentally]

We've learned the "second" will that was lodged with the court was signed by Michael Jackson in 1997. That will was declared null and void when the 2002 will was signed.

The main reason Jackson updated his will in 2002 -- the birth of his last two children.

In both the '97 and 2002 wills, Jackson's lawyer/friend John Branca was named co-executor.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/06/michael-jacksons-second-will/

[*Serenity*]

Well at least you know you were in the hat. LOL

LOL

I wonder if any of the 'losers' are going to sell the losing ticket emails?

:):)

[Ice Cycle]

There seem to be a lot of misinformation in Ice Cycle's link. I hope the transcript will be made available.

Where is the link that makes this misinformation?

[imc_e]

LOL

I wonder if any of the 'losers' are going to sell the losing ticket emails?

:):)

I have a loser email for sale! :laugh:

[Tokyo Rose]

Man oh man..This is the first time I even heard they (Jacksons) were even GIVEN the Keys to Michael's Kingdom???..All I heard was KJ was allowed 40%, to care for herself ..and upon her death, the proceeds would go Back to the Trust?..Again..Am I wrong?..I heard no mention of "Keys" given to the Jackson Family?! Geesh...I do think that is how Joe Jacksons thinks of estate tho..I hope he gets a good "Attitude Adjustment" by the courts..and his greedy fingers are kept away from any of the moneys$$$

LMS

He will try to get some of the money from KJ's share. So will the siblings. jmo They will be after her constantly, I bet. jmo

[VC2]

The statement above modified by me

John E. Schreiber, an attorney for Katherine Jackson, said, "Frankly, MR. Jackson has concerns about handing over the keys to the kingdom."

Oh i agree, but not giving Katherine a big pass here. She is the one that has asked for this attempt to overturn the wishes of MJ. She also is probably concerned if she believed lots of the carp she was told but the phrase stood out to me for another reason.

The Keys to the Kingdom That is how KJ (according to her attorneys) are looking at it. Be it joe in reality or maybe a couple of the siblings he is not close to, or even katherine herself, it is a disgusting phrase to use when talking about a loved ones estate and says it all about why they are so desperate to replace the executors.

imo

[CinderL.]

He will try to get some of the money from KJ's share. So will the siblings. jmo They will be after her constantly, I bet. jmo

According to this part of a TMZ article the siblings want to follow MJ's wishes.


"The question -- will McMillan object to putting Branca and McClain in control of the estate? Jermaine Jackson has said he wants everyone to respect Michael's wishes. Sources tell us Jermaine's feelings are shared by the other siblings, but McMillan may have a different agenda. We're told many members of Michael's family are upset with McMillan and believe he's grandstanding. Lawyers for the named co-executors are bracing for a fight."

[*Serenity*]

Ha -- didn't someone say the emails are on e-bay or is that just the winning ones? Does the email mention MJ at all?

The email was from Staples Center with that note I posted, along with a black/white arty type photo of him.

[*Serenity*]

I have a loser email for sale! :laugh:


LOL
I wonder what loser emails are going for?


$$$$$$

[VC2]

That will fall by the wayside at the next hearing I hope. Her judgment can't be too good after having to file bankruptcy for over the top spending. jmo

I agree, at least as far as the finances go. MJ was paying all her bills until his death as well. Which is ok, i just cannot fathom her suddenly able to manage or make the right decisions on the assets. Yes some 80 year old ladies can, most of whom had successful business careers of their own or otherwise were very able to handle their own financial affairs. Katherine has been neither. There is not a decision she would not ask joe or the kids advice on and each one would end up being a battle

IMO

[Ice Cycle]

Man oh man..This is the first time I even heard they (Jacksons) were even GIVEN the Keys to Michael's Kingdom???..All I heard was KJ was allowed 40%, to care for herself ..or was it for care for the children??..and upon her death, the proceeds would go Back to the Trust?..Again..Am I wrong?..I heard no mention of "Keys" given to the Jackson Family?! Geesh...I do think that is how Joe Jacksons thinks of estate tho..I hope he gets a good "Attitude Adjustment" by the courts..and his greedy fingers are kept away from any of the moneys$$$

LMS

This is what I posted that was on ATT main page and the link is
listed above. The only thing I have read about the will is that Katherine gets 40% and the kids another 40%, I don't think it has been stated if or how it is to be spent.

John E. Schreiber, an attorney for Katherine Jackson, said, "Frankly, Mrs. Jackson has concerns about handing over the keys to the kingdom."

[Tokyo Rose]

According to this part of a TMZ article the siblings want to follow MJ's wishes.


"The question -- will McMillan object to putting Branca and McClain in control of the estate? Jermaine Jackson has said he wants everyone to respect Michael's wishes. Sources tell us Jermaine's feelings are shared by the other siblings, but McMillan may have a different agenda. We're told many members of Michael's family are upset with McMillan and believe he's grandstanding. Lawyers for the named co-executors are bracing for a fight."

They may be saying that, but KJ has a right to give away her assets to them and they know it. They will be sharing in KJ's 40% even though what remains when she dies reverts back to the children. They will be enjoying her and the children's assets for as long as she lives. I don't put anything past that money grubbing family. Sorry. jmo

I don't believe for one minute that lawyer is going beyond what they want. I've listened to Jermaine Jackson whinning on TV interviews long enough to know he speaks from both sides of his face. jmo

[Cornblossom]

Why? Isn't it true that MJ was a pedophile and a pervert? Lots of people think so.

imo
it was never proven in a court of law so legally-no he isn't. I think he was,but it doesn't matter what I think about it as I wasn't on the jury and it will never be proven now.

[who_is_it]

I heard somewhere on the news last week when these songs were originally found that the rights to those songs were to be in trust to his kids.. going to have to do some googling... that was per MJ's wishes..

Supposedly a portfolio of songs were left in trust for his children.. so old Joe better get a clue..

This is the only link I can find.. but if Jackson made his will as he did I would find it hard to believe that he would not allow for his children in his contract with Sony in his death.. (does that make any sense?) I would hate to see the other's profit from it.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Endless-supply-of-music-in-apf-845439362.html?x=0&.v=1

'Endless' supply of music in Jackson's vaults
copyright AP:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5h1B0rMvik5AEmpsOqBnnYsibFV0wD995U5G80

For anything which Jackson produced during the term of their contract Sony has exclusive distribution rights.

[VC2]

That will fall by the wayside at the next hearing I hope. Her judgment can't be too good after having to file bankruptcy for over the top spending. jmo

i just had a thought...can you see if the judge is like the one who held the ANS burial battle? Weeks of witnesses and fighting all played out daily for the world to watch?

:scared:

[Cornblossom]

Yes, but Peter King thinks he is, too, and he's not too intimidated to say it.

imoif Peter King isn't careful he may be sued for slander too. But,it doesn't matter what he thinks either-a jury said he wasn't. IMO

[dinojen]

'Endless' supply of music in Jackson's vaults
copyright AP:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5h1B0rMvik5AEmpsOqBnnYsibFV0wD995U5G80

For anything which Jackson produced during the term of their contract Sony has exclusive distribution rights.


I understand that, but I'm sure Michael had rights and a percentage of distribution and if not him then it would go to his children.

Sony has the rights to distribution, possibly not ownership of the songs..

Not sure if that makes any sense.. One can have the right to distribute but might not give them sole ownership..

Hell I'm not a recording artist so I don't have a clue..:confused:

[*Serenity*]

Wow -- I didn't know he made comments like that in 2005. :ohmy:

I also noticed this was an unauthorized recorded conversation.
He couldn't even have a phone conversation without someone recording him. I can't imagine anyone recording my personal
and private conversations.... sheesh


Jackson's spokesman, Raymone K. Bain, said the singer had no comment on the report.
And Brian Oxman, one of the Jackson family attorneys, declared that the so called messages were in fact "telephone conversations recorded without permision."

[dinojen]

i just had a thought...can you see if the judge is like the one who held the ANS burial battle? Weeks of witnesses and fighting all played out daily for the world to watch?

:scared:

Funny you should mention him.. he was being interviewed I think it was CNN the other night on exactly the topic of who would get the kids... I kid you not..

[*Serenity*]

And Al Sharpton wants to put him on a postage stamp. :rolleyes:

imo

The postage stamps would be sold out faster than they could print them.

Good for the economy. :)

[aproudmom]

anyone watch the view..I don't but my mom loves it guess Whoopi and Joy B did not agree on a few things..Darn would have like to have seen whoopi shut Joy up:biggrin:

[Tokyo Rose]

i just had a thought...can you see if the judge is like the one who held the ANS burial battle? Weeks of witnesses and fighting all played out daily for the world to watch?

:scared:

LOL Judge Larry has been making the rounds of TV interviews over this.
Have you seen him? On one interview he even said he was the one, in his court hearings, who started the investigation of the enabling of Anna being given drugs. OMG, he bent over backwards for Stern. :laugh:

[lilismom]

Lynda - I am positive that MJ set the will up this way with the no-contest clause because HE KNEW his father would try to do this. From what I understand (and someone please feel free to correct me) the executor would give Katherine probably a monthly "allowance" to take care of whatever MJ was taking care of for her and enough to take care of the children. Whatever is remaining when she dies, the money would be added to the trust for the children.

I also truly believe the siblings did not expect anything especially knowing MJ has three children.


I agree Athena. I think the Will and Trust were drafted very carefully and very specifically and were exactly what MJ wanted. He knew this would happen. The "no-contest" clause proves it. IMO.

IMO,
Lilismom

[CinderL.]

if Peter King isn't careful he may be sued for slander too. But,it doesn't matter what he thinks either-a jury said he wasn't. IMO

There was some discussion last night about this. :laugh: No one can sue Peter King because MJ is dead.

[Tokyo Rose]

The postage stamps would be sold out faster than they could print them.

Good for the economy. :)

Will the fans get to vote on whether it would be the white or black image of MJ on the stamp?

[CinderL.]

I also noticed this was an unauthorized recorded conversation.
He couldn't even have a phone conversation without someone recording him. I can't imagine anyone recording my personal
and private conversations.... sheesh

Especially an attny. :ohmy:

[Ice Cycle]

Lynda - I am positive that MJ set the will up this way with the no-contest clause because HE KNEW his father would try to do this. From what I understand (and someone please feel free to correct me) the executor would give Katherine probably a monthly "allowance" to take care of whatever MJ was taking care of for her and enough to take care of the children. Whatever is remaining when she dies, the money would be added to the trust for the children.

I also truly believe the siblings did not expect anything especially knowing MJ has three children.

I don't it has been stated if Katherine's 40% was to her alone or to take care of the children or if their care was included in their 40%. I don't think the details of the trust have ever been reported at least of fact.

[dinojen]

anyone watch the view..I don't but my mom loves it guess Whoopi and Joy B did not agree on a few things..Darn would have like to have seen whoopi shut Joy up:biggrin:

I tape it everyday just in case they have a fistacuffs... lmbo.. Now you have me curious... will have to watch Hot Topics..:tonguewag:

[incidentally]

Wow -- I didn't know he made comments like that in 2005. :ohmy:

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1132475611341&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

ABC news has said that, while the authenticity of voicemail recordings left by Jackson to Schaffel could be confirmed, they could not verify the recording on Wiesner's answering machine.

On Schaffel:

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/MichaelJackson/story?id=1336379

In 2003, Jackson turned to Schaffel to plan a response to the allegations that Jackson had had an improper relationship with a young cancer survivor. Later, Schaffel was named as an unindicted co-conspirator in the California criminal prosecution of Jackson.

and

Schaffel's relationship ended just before Jackson's most recent criminal problems. Schaffel said he is not surprised that since Jackson's acquittal, Jackson has relocated to Bahrain, because it fits Jackson's pattern of looking for a new friend.

Jackson attorney Tom Mesereau told ABC News, "When the jury hears the evidence, they will know Schaffel isn't owed anything." Mesereau said he would not comment on the content of the tapes and could not comment on the Weisner lawsuit until he had seen it.

[Firehead11]

Yes, but Peter King thinks he is, too, and he's not too intimidated to say it.

imo


According to the LAW, you know, what that congressman is SUPPOSE to believe in, Jackson was found not guilty. So with that little sentence, I will be placing you on ignore because I don't need to read what you are posting.

[4Life]

So what? It still proves that he's an anti-semite. :thumbdown:

imoProves nothing.


Jackson responded directly to the publication, stating:

The idea that these lyrics could be deemed objectionable is extremely hurtful to me, and misleading. The song in fact is about the pain of prejudice and hate and is a way to draw attention to social and political problems. I am the voice of the accused and the attacked. I am the voice of everyone. I am the skinhead, I am the Jew, I am the black man, I am the white man. I am not the one who was attacking. It is about the injustices to young people and how the system can wrongfully accuse them. I am angry and outraged that I could be so misinterpreted.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/They_Don't_Care_About_Us

Last response to the baiters :tonguewag:

[4Life]

There was some discussion last night about this. :laugh: No one can sue Peter King because MJ is dead.

His estate can sue

[who_is_it]

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1132475611341&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

On Schaffel:

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/MichaelJackson/story?id=1336379

and

I won't look this up in the transcripts now (too much action...) but as I remember Debbie Rowe testified against Schaffel and Wiesner. If I recall it correctly she saw in them dogdy business partners of MJ. Not only Schaffel recorded MJ... but also Rowe recorded Schaffel to have a prove agasint him. That's what I remember... -- I hope correctly.

[Cornblossom]

Lyrics to They don't care about us

Beat me, hate me
You can never break me
Will me, thrill me
You can never kill me
Jew me, Sue me
Everybody do me
Kick me, kike me
Don't you black or white me


http://www.mp3lyrics.org/m/michael-jackson/they-dont-care-about-us/

[Tokyo Rose]

His estate can sue anyone it wants. That is no guarantee it will be successful.

imo...of course.

No, the estate has no standing. They can't sue. jmo

[Firehead11]

Lyrics

Skin head, dead head
Everybody gone bad
Situation, aggravation
Everybody allegation
In the suite, on the news
Everybody dog food
Bang bang, shot dead
Everybody's gone mad

All I wanna say is that
They don't really care about us
All I wanna say is that
They don't really care about us

Beat me, hate me
You can never break me
Will me, thrill me
You can never kill me
Jew me, Sue me
Everybody do me
Kick me, Kike me
Don't you black or white me

All I wanna say is that
They don't really care about us
All I wanna say is that
They don't really care about us

Tell me what has become of my life
I have a wife and two children who love me
I am the victim of police brutality, now
I'm tired of bein' the victim of hate
You're rapin' me of my pride
Oh, for God's sake
I look to heaven to fulfill its prophecy...
Set me free

Skin head, dead head
Everybody gone bad
trepidation, speculation
Everybody allegation
In the suite, on the news
Everybody dog food
black man, black mail
Throw your brother in jail

All I wanna say is that
They don't really care about us
All I wanna say is that
They don't really care about us

Tell me what has become of my rights
Am I invisible because you ignore me?
Your proclamation promised me free liberty, now
I'm tired of bein' the victim of shame
They're throwing me in a class with a bad name
I can't believe this is the land from which I came
You know I do really hate to say it
The government don't wanna see
But if Roosevelt was livin'
He wouldn't let this be, no, no

Skin head, dead head
Everybody gone bad
Situation, speculation
Everybody litigation
Beat me, bash me
You can never trash me
Hit me, kick me
You can never get me

All I wanna say is that
They don't really care about us
All I wanna say is that
They don't really care about us

Some things in life they just don't wanna see
But if Martin Luther was livin'
He wouldn't let this be

Skin head, dead head
Everybody gone bad
Situation, segregation
Everybody allegation
In the suite, on the news
Everybody dog food
Kick me, Kike me
Don't you wrong or right me

All I wanna say is that
They don't really care about us
All I wanna say is that
They don't really care about us

All I wanna say is that
They don't really care about us
All I wanna say is that
They don't really care about us

All I wanna say is that
They don't really care about us
All I wanna say is that
They don't really care about us

[incidentally]

I won't look this up in the transcripts now (too much action...) but as I remember Debbie Rowe testified against Schaffel and Wiesner. If I recall it correctly she saw in them dogdy business partners of MJ. Not only Schaffel recorded MJ... but also Rowe recorded Schaffel to have a prove agasint him. That's what I remember... -- I hope correctly.

Yes, both cases were thrown out of court, with prejudice, iirc.

[who_is_it]

@ Cornblossom

You also just posted a part of the lyrics which is misleading imp. You didn't post the beginning of the song which I quoted above and which is clearly AGAINST skin heads.

[4Life]

No, the estate has no standing. They can't sue. jmo

Yes, his estate can sue

[dinojen]

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/06/rowe-a-no-show-at-jackson-memorial/

Michael Jackson's ex-wife Debbie Rowe won't be attending Jackson's memorial service at the Staple's Center tomorrow.

Her attorney sends us this statement:
"The onslaught of media attention has made it clear her attendance would be an unnecessary distraction to an event that should focus exclusively on Michael's legacy. Debbie will continue to celebrate Michael's memory privately."

[VC2]

well since Weisner's "tape" cannot be verified and the comments stand for everything MJ was against, plus the lyrics of the song itself were not anti semitic, they were what hate groups say and the context is clear i don't think there is any evidence he was anti semitic. What nonsense. IMO

[who_is_it]

Yes, both cases were thrown out of court, with prejudice, iirc.

Actually it wasn't correct that I said "testified against Schaffel" (what would suggest I talk about a trial against Schaffel). During MJ's molestation trial her bad words about Schaffel were part of her testimony.

[Cornblossom]

Thanks..Thats what I thought..breakdown 40..40..and 20..I think I recall 20% was to go to charities...

LOL..No Keys to any kingdom...and is obvious he didnt want his parents incharge of anything..nor his siblings...He had to have trusted his appointed executors..

Having said that, I cant help but think that Joe will do his darndest to inculpate whoever has control..even if only by speculations..

Is there anything out there that indicates Grace is actually caring for those kids???..I hope so..as I think thru her, at least the kids will have some sense of continuity...

LMS40% to the children,40% to his mom and 20% to childrens charities. Hi Lynda!

[Tokyo Rose]

The executors acting on behalf of the estate can indeed sue, or do whatever they deem necessary or beneficial to the estate.

What is their standing?

[*Serenity*]

Will the fans get to vote on whether it would be the white or black image of MJ on the stamp?

It really wouldn't much matter if the stamps were black or white.... they would sell out just like his concerts, and all the registrations to his memorial. :) :)

[incidentally]

Actually it wasn't correct that I said "testified against Schaffel" (what would suggest I talk about a trial against Schaffel). During MJ's molestation trial her bad words about Schaffel were part of her testimony.

Both lawsuit brought against MJ by Shaffel and Wiesner were found without merit and dismissed with prejudice, iirc.

I thought that was what you were talking about.

[*Serenity*]

Peter King cannot be sued for slander because he believes what he said to be true. Maybe MJ was acquitted of molesting two kids - but that doesn't mean that King doesn't believe that he is a pervert and a pedophile.

imo

Send him a thank you note for supporting your opinion.
I'm sure his email is full and blasted with just the opposite though.

:)

[CinderL.]

His estate can sue anyone it wants. That is no guarantee it will be successful.

imo...of course.

This is what Athena found last night.

"However, if someone says something false about someone who has died, as reprehensible as that may be, in most states it is not considered defamatory. No legal action can be taken on behalf of a dead person. Only a living person can be defamed."

http://www.lawinfo.com/fuseaction/Cl...ategoryid/1162

[Cornblossom]

Peter King cannot be sued for slander because he believes what he said to be true. Maybe MJ was acquitted of molesting two kids - but that doesn't mean that King doesn't believe that he is a pervert and a pedophile.

imoalot of people who have believed what they think is true has been sued....just because someone thinks it's true doesn't make it so.
Slander is an untruthful oral (spoken) statement about a person that harms the person's reputation or standing in the community. Because slander is a tort (a civil wrong), the injured person can bring a lawsuit against the person who made the false statement. If the statement is made via broadcast media -- for example, over the radio or on TV -- it is considered libel, rather than slander, because the statement has the potential to reach a very wide audience.

[lilismom]

It really wouldn't much matter if the stamps were black or white.... they would sell out just like his concerts, and all the registrations to his memorial. :) :)

IMO, you wouldn't even need his image necessarily. Hat, glasses and the glove would do. Shot if him from the knees down up on his toes with the black pants and shoes with the white socks. No mistaking it.

IMO,
Lilismom

[*Serenity*]

IMO, you wouldn't even need his image necessarily. Hat, glasses and the glove would do. Shot if him from the knees down up on his toes with the black pants and shoes with the white socks. No mistaking it.

IMO,
Lilismom

Hey You.... :)

[Cornblossom]

This is what Athena found last night.

"However, if someone says something false about someone who has died, as reprehensible as that may be, in most states it is not considered defamatory. No legal action can be taken on behalf of a dead person. Only a living person can be defamed."

http://www.lawinfo.com/fuseaction/Cl...ategoryid/1162

there is the possibility of damage to the reputation of the deceased, and that could harm the estate of the deceased. For example, if someone defames an author who died, that author's works may not sell as well in the future and thus the royalties the estate stands to earn would be reduced.

Some states do permit suits for libel or slander to be brought on behalf of the estate of a deceased person in some circumstances. The definition of libel in Texas includes written words that "tend to blacken the memory of the dead." In Rhode Island there is a right of action if the deceased person was slandered or libelled in an obituary in any newspaper or on any radio or television station within three (3) months of his or her date of death. Many states, including California, will allow personal injury suits (libel and slander are considered personal injuries) filed by a living plaintiff to continue on and be passed to the plaintiff's successor in interest or personal representative upon the plaintiff's death. The plaintiff's estate may then recover if the lawsuit is successful.



http://injury-law.freeadvice.com/libel_and_slander/dead_person_slander.htm

[lilismom]

Hey You.... :)


Hey there dahhhhling! :)

Nice to see everyone today! I wasn't on all weekend and didn't bother to read back. Too much info! Sheesh!

IMO,
Lilismom

[VC2]

They stand in place of M. Jackson, and have a fidicuary duty to protect his estate, including the ability to sue on behaf of the estate.

thank you. As you said earlier, succesfully is another thing.

OT big break in serial killer S.C. according to cnn

[who_is_it]

Both lawsuit brought against MJ by Shaffel and Wiesner were found without merit and dismissed with prejudice, iirc.

I thought that was what you were talking about.

I know about these lawsuits by Schaffel and Wiesner... but it was the molestation trial when Debbie Rowe mentioned them in her testimony.

(We didn't talk about the same lawsuits; therefore my 2nd post.)

[*Serenity*]

Hey there dahhhhling! :)

Nice to see everyone today! I wasn't on all weekend and didn't bother to read back. Too much info! Sheesh!

IMO,
Lilismom

You really didn't miss much-- seriously.

I'm off to work, so I will catch up later on tonight.

:)

Have a good day everyone, and hopefully the board and thread will be open later this evening.


*ignore the baiters & haters and remember CW warning about NOT rehashing the trial here*

[CinderL.]

alot of people who have believed what they think is true has been sued....just because someone thinks it's true doesn't make it so.
Slander is an untruthful oral (spoken) statement about a person that harms the person's reputation or standing in the community. Because slander is a tort (a civil wrong), the injured person can bring a lawsuit against the person who made the false statement. If the statement is made via broadcast media -- for example, over the radio or on TV -- it is considered libel, rather than slander, because the statement has the potential to reach a very wide audience.


Not if the person being slandered is dead. IMO

This is what Athena found last night.

"However, if someone says something false about someone who has died, as reprehensible as that may be, in most states it is not considered defamatory. No legal action can be taken on behalf of a dead person. Only a living person can be defamed."

http://www.lawinfo.com/fuseaction/Cl...ategoryid/1162
__________________

[CinderL.]

I was speaking in general, and not in regards to a slander suit. The poster claimed the executors/estate had no standing to sue on behalf of Mr. Jackson, and I was simply informing her that she was incorrect.

I see, I thought we were talking about suing Congress King for slandering MJ.

[CinderL.]

there is the possibility of damage to the reputation of the deceased, and that could harm the estate of the deceased. For example, if someone defames an author who died, that author's works may not sell as well in the future and thus the royalties the estate stands to earn would be reduced.

Some states do permit suits for libel or slander to be brought on behalf of the estate of a deceased person in some circumstances. The definition of libel in Texas includes written words that "tend to blacken the memory of the dead." In Rhode Island there is a right of action if the deceased person was slandered or libelled in an obituary in any newspaper or on any radio or television station within three (3) months of his or her date of death. Many states, including California, will allow personal injury suits (libel and slander are considered personal injuries) filed by a living plaintiff to continue on and be passed to the plaintiff's successor in interest or personal representative upon the plaintiff's death. The plaintiff's estate may then recover if the lawsuit is successful.



http://injury-law.freeadvice.com/libel_and_slander/dead_person_slander.htm

Different take. Thanks

[Cornblossom]

You can't be held liable if it's reasonable to think the statement is true.

imo
no disrespect to you,but I am typing this slowly so maybe you'll understand.........I think MJ is a child molestor, BUT,a court of law has proven he is NOT so knowing this I can NOT go around saying he is one even tho I think he is-I am slandering him if I do.

I think the judge in the ANS trial is crazy...he can sue me for slander if he wants to...even tho I think it's true.

http://www.nolo.com/definition.cfm/Term/85BAB88B-0660-4AB6-A2F5C32E716A6D52/alpha/S/

[who_is_it]

I understand that, but I'm sure Michael had rights and a percentage of distribution and if not him then it would go to his children.

Sony has the rights to distribution, possibly not ownership of the songs..

Not sure if that makes any sense.. One can have the right to distribute but might not give them sole ownership..

Hell I'm not a recording artist so I don't have a clue..:confused:

I think the same like you: A percentage of the sales price goes to his children (and mother & charities?). Sony gets its share from CD sales. Sony is the only label which is allowed to distribute his music.... but probably just for a certain period of time. (Otherwise it wouldn't make sense to differ between distribution rights and ownership.)

[CinderL.]

You may have been, but I wasn't.
:closedeyes:

Sorry. .....

[Cornblossom]

No disrespect to you but a court of law has proven that he did not molest those particular boys. Doesn't mean there weren't others.

imoNo,it doesn't mean there weren't others BUT he wasn't tried for any others.

[who_is_it]

Not if the person being slandered is dead. IMO

This is what Athena found last night.

"However, if someone says something false about someone who has died, as reprehensible as that may be, in most states it is not considered defamatory. No legal action can be taken on behalf of a dead person. Only a living person can be defamed."

http://www.lawinfo.com/fuseaction/Cl...ategoryid/1162
__________________

No legal action against defamation after someone's death... -- Soon one will read even worse allegations about MJ than during his life time. More creepy characters will try to make money by defaming him on a false ground imo.

[CANDYKISSES]

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/06/rowe-a-no-show-at-jackson-memorial/

Michael Jackson's ex-wife Debbie Rowe won't be attending Jackson's memorial service at the Staple's Center tomorrow.

Her attorney sends us this statement:
"The onslaught of media attention has made it clear her attendance would be an unnecessary distraction to an event that should focus exclusively on Michael's legacy. Debbie will continue to celebrate Michael's memory privately."

Hi Dino:wub:, I am at a loss for words regarding DR. As much as I don't care for her, it would appear she is concerned with honoring MJ at this particular juncture IMOO. :wink: I find myself pleasantly surprised by this choice and applaud her today. :beer:

[Nic99]

No disrespect to you but a court of law has proven that he did not molest those particular boys. Doesn't mean there weren't others.

imo

A court of law proved that he was NOT GUILTY. Crikey, live with it, it has all been done and dusted so to speak. Get over it and move on.

[Cornblossom]

That doesn't matter. I could still have a reasonable belief that he is a pedophile.

imo
Bless your heart. As I stated,I too believe he molested children,but when he was found not guilty-that meant I could not go around and publicly proclaim that he was one....I could be sued. We can go on like this all day so let's just end this conversation now OK?

[Ice Cycle]

no disrespect to you,but I am typing this slowly so maybe you'll understand.........I think MJ is a child molestor, BUT,a court of law has proven he is NOT so knowing this I can NOT go around saying he is one even tho I think he is-I am slandering him if I do.

I think the judge in the ANS trial is crazy...he can sue me for slander if he wants to...even tho I think it's true.

http://www.nolo.com/definition.cfm/Term/85BAB88B-0660-4AB6-A2F5C32E716A6D52/alpha/S/

Well I always though slander only applied to name calling and not a opinion. But this is what defines it according to this site.

http://www.answers.com/topic/slander-and-libel

In recent years, the U.S. Supreme Court has allowed that only factual misrepresentation is to be considered libel or slander, not expression of opinion. It has also ruled that libel suits may be filed across state lines, not only in the state where the plaintiff lives. Libel suits apply not only to the media and public personalities but also to businesses, which account for approximately 70% of all suits.

[MoonHarvest]

This is outstanding imo.

Especially the last two paragraphs.

By Andrew Sullivan:

"There are two things to say about him. He was a musical genius; and he was an abused child. By abuse, I do not mean sexual abuse; I mean he was used brutally and callously for money, and clearly imprisoned by a tyrannical father. He had no real childhood and spent much of his later life struggling to get one. He was spiritually and psychologically raped at a very early age - and never recovered. Watching him change his race, his age, and almost his gender, you saw a tortured soul seeking what the rest of us take for granted: a normal life.

But he had no compass to find one; no real friends to support and advise him; and money and fame imprisoned him in the delusions of narcissism and self-indulgence. Of course, he bears responsibility for his bizarre life. But the damage done to him by his own family and then by all those motivated more by money and power than by faith and love was irreparable in the end. He died a while ago. He remained for so long a walking human shell.

I loved his music. His young voice was almost a miracle, his poise in retrospect eery, his joy, tempered by pain, often unbearably uplifting. He made the greatest music video of all time; and he made some of the greatest records of all time. He was everything our culture worships; and yet he was obviously desperately unhappy, tortured, afraid and alone.

I grieve for him; but I also grieve for the culture that created and destroyed him. That culture is ours' and it is a lethal and brutal one: with fame and celebrity as its core values, with money as its sole motive, it chewed this child up and spat him out.

I hope he has the peace now he never had in his life. And I pray that such genius will not be so abused again."

[Cornblossom]

Well I always though slander only applied to name calling and not a opinion. But this is what defines it according to this site.

http://www.answers.com/topic/slander-and-libel

In recent years, the U.S. Supreme Court has allowed that only factual misrepresentation is to be considered libel or slander, not expression of opinion. It has also ruled that libel suits may be filed across state lines, not only in the state where the plaintiff lives. Libel suits apply not only to the media and public personalities but also to businesses, which account for approximately 70% of all suits.Michael Jackson was proven not guilty in a court of law so saying he is a pedophile and child molestor is slanderous..Peter King didn't say he thought he was one-he said he was one. From your link:
The Sullivan ruling shifted the burden of proof in many libel cases from the defendant to the plaintiff, who must now prove the falsehood was issued with actual malice, that is, with deliberate knowledge that the statement was both incorrect and defamatory. The ruling was a victory for the media, but left the plaintiff with the difficult task of obtaining the sources for the allegedly libelous information—sources that reporters often hold confidential. In most cases, the court requires the plaintiff to show that a reasonable effort has been made to obtain the information elsewhere before it requires the reporter to divulge any sources.

He knows the statement is incorrect and defamatory. IMO

[emdragon]

No disrespect to you but a court of law has proven that he did not molest those particular boys. Doesn't mean there weren't others.

imo

Not convicted.
Acquitted.

All mean the same thing under our constitution he is INNOCENT until proven guilty.

Doesn't matter what opinion you,I or the congressman hold. Jackson died an innocent man under the umbrella of our constitution.

For a Congressman to ignore the constitution is a far more grievous action than the media glorifying Jackson.

[ScoobyDoo]

Thanks for the lecture. :biggrin:

You really added alot to the discussion. :rolleyes:

Y'all come back now, y'hear? :wub:

imo

I agree. I have always valued and enjoyed Nic's posts as well. Nice to see you again, Nic.

[Ice Cycle]

Michael Jackson was proven not guilty in a court of law so saying he is a pedophile and child molestor is slanderous..Peter King didn't say he thought he was one-he said he was one. From your link:
He knows the statement is incorrect and defamatory. IMO


????? I wans't referring to his statement or did I quote that post??

[who_is_it]

This is outstanding imo.

Especially the last two paragraphs.

By Andrew Sullivan:

"There are two things to say about him. He was a musical genius; and he was an abused child. By abuse, I do not mean sexual abuse; I mean he was used brutally and callously for money, and clearly imprisoned by a tyrannical father. He had no real childhood and spent much of his later life struggling to get one. He was spiritually and psychologically raped at a very early age - and never recovered. Watching him change his race, his age, and almost his gender, you saw a tortured soul seeking what the rest of us take for granted: a normal life.

<snipped>


What has changed is NOT his race but the color of his skin.

[lilismom]

I agree. I have always valued and enjoyed Nic's posts as well. Nice to see you again, Nic.

Me too - although I haven't been around much - I did rather enjoy the "done and dusted"! Never heard that one before.

IMO,
Lilismom

[Nic99]

I agree. I have always valued and enjoyed Nic's posts as well. Nice to see you again, Nic.

Wish I could say the same, but you've only had the ONE post, so......

[who_is_it]

LOL

I wonder if any of the 'losers' are going to sell the losing ticket emails?

:):)

Pun intended... but reality!!!

Indeed there was an auction in which someone tried to sell the "loser notification"!

[who_is_it]

Michael Jackson Memorial -- The Players

The Jackson family just announced everyone who will participate in tomorrow's memorial -- and here's the list:

Ron Boyd (family friend), Kobe Bryant, Mariah Carey, Andrae Crouch Choir, Berry Gordy, Jennifer Hudson, Shaheen Jafargholi (finalist on Britain's Got Talent), Magic Johnson, Martin Luther King III, Bernice A. King, John Mayer, Lionel Richie, Smokey Robinson, Rev. Al Sharpton, Brooke Shields, Pastor Lucious Smith (family friend), Usher and Stevie Wonder.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/06/michael-jackson-memorial-the-players/

Most of them are clearly a choice of the Jackson family...

John Mayer -- he probably didn't even know MJ... but he's always such a fame **.

I wonder about Brooke Shields, Michael's first love.

[RootBeer]

The cars drove up in a steady stream -- some drivers eager with anticipation as they entered and shaking with excitement as they exited. At Dodger Stadium, organizers gave each lottery winner a pair of tickets to Michael Jackson's memorial and wristbands, one of which was placed on their arm to prevent resales. "It's sparkly," said Alex Jugant. "Michael would have liked that." full story

http://www.cnn.com/

[RootBeer]

Wish I could say the same, but you've only had the ONE post, so......

Hi Nic, been thinking about you. :wub:

[flipflop]

This is outstanding imo.

Especially the last two paragraphs.

By Andrew Sullivan:

"There are two things to say about him. He was a musical genius; and he was an abused child. By abuse, I do not mean sexual abuse; I mean he was used brutally and callously for money, and clearly imprisoned by a tyrannical father. He had no real childhood and spent much of his later life struggling to get one. He was spiritually and psychologically raped at a very early age - and never recovered. Watching him change his race, his age, and almost his gender, you saw a tortured soul seeking what the rest of us take for granted: a normal life.

But he had no compass to find one; no real friends to support and advise him; and money and fame imprisoned him in the delusions of narcissism and self-indulgence. Of course, he bears responsibility for his bizarre life. But the damage done to him by his own family and then by all those motivated more by money and power than by faith and love was irreparable in the end. He died a while ago. He remained for so long a walking human shell.

I loved his music. His young voice was almost a miracle, his poise in retrospect eery, his joy, tempered by pain, often unbearably uplifting. He made the greatest music video of all time; and he made some of the greatest records of all time. He was everything our culture worships; and yet he was obviously desperately unhappy, tortured, afraid and alone.

I grieve for him; but I also grieve for the culture that created and destroyed him. That culture is ours' and it is a lethal and brutal one: with fame and celebrity as its core values, with money as its sole motive, it chewed this child up and spat him out.

I hope he has the peace now he never had in his life. And I pray that such genius will not be so abused again."

That was beautiful. That is almost exactly how I viewed MJ.

[flipflop]

----------------------
A musical genius...he was not. MJ did not know how to read or write music. He was a good entertainer though. jmo

I would think there are varying degrees of musical genius. Being able to read and write music is not a preresquisite of the title.

[Nic99]

Hi Nic, been thinking about you. :wub:

Hi RootBeer,

Hope you're doing okay. Good to see you here:thumbsup:

Nic

[who_is_it]

Scalpers selling Jackson memorial tickets online

"Among those was a listing posted by a man who identified himself only as Peetey, 29, of Venice Beach, California. He was asking $8,000 for a single ticket; the winning bidder would accompany his girlfriend to the service, he said."

(...)
When contacted by CNN, Peetey said he sees nothing wrong with selling a free ticket to a memorial service.
(...)
Peetey, who did not want his last name used for fear of backlash from Jackson fans, said he would go to the memorial service if he can't get at least $5,000 for the ticket. His girlfriend won the lottery-issued tickets, he said, and will attend the event."

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/07/06/michael.jackson.tickets.resale/index.html

Downright tacky ... barf

[KaraokeDiva]

And Al Sharpton wants to put him on a postage stamp. :rolleyes:

imo

I'm behind, as usual...but I'm pretty sure you have to be dead at least 20 years before the post office will issue a stamp with your likeness.

moo

[RootBeer]

Hi RootBeer,

Hope you're doing okay. Good to see you here:thumbsup:

Nic

Actually not doing very well. I hurt my back over the weekend. I hate taking pain killers, they make me sick.

[flipflop]

I would think there are varying degrees of musical genius. Being able to read and write music is not a preresquisite of the title.

Oops!!! Just now caught my spelling error (prerequisite) LOL

[Nic99]

I'm behind, as usual...but I'm pretty sure you have to be dead at least 20 years before the post office will issue a stamp with your likeness.

moo

Not if you're a legend like Michael Jackson you don't. The Queen is on our stamps and she is alive and kicking.

[KatieLady]

I'm behind, as usual...but I'm pretty sure you have to be dead at least 20 years before the post office will issue a stamp with your likeness.

moo

I heard on the news this morning that it is 5 years. No link so...IMO

[CinderL.]

How about Larry King and Geraldo Rivera?

They're Jewish. Michael Jackson clearly had no problem with either of them.

Are there still a lot of people visiting Encino? I read somewhere they had to take a girl to the hospital, but I don't remember when it was.

[Pretty Leaf]

Hi Dino:wub:, I am at a loss for words regarding DR. As much as I don't care for her, it would appear she is concerned with honoring MJ at this particular juncture IMOO. :wink: I find myself pleasantly surprised by this choice and applaud her today. :beer:

There is video today on HLN of DR exiting a restaurant was surrounded by reporters and cameramen, they were asking her about attending the service. She yelled at a one of them don't you touch me, he said it didn't, she said yes you did and made a comment that she would kick his ***. I think she may have dropped a F bomb,
While getting in the car someone asked her if she would take money again for giving up the rights to her children, door slammed.

( I can't find a link so from memory).

Also a commentary then rehashed that she took money 2x. Giving Michael the children the ist time and taking money again at the time of the trial. That this willl not bode well for her trying to get the kids now. On the other hand Catherine age will not help the Jackson's when a decision has to be made.

[legalmania]

I heard on the news this morning that it is 5 years. No link so...IMO

Here are the rules to being on a postage stamp

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=66660389133

[KaraokeDiva]

Not if you're a legend like Michael Jackson you don't. The Queen is on our stamps and she is alive and kicking.
Well I guess y'all can issue a stamp in his honor then...but the U.S. won't until he's been dead 20 years.

You can probably sell them over here though, as collector's items.

[Nic99]

Actually not doing very well. I hurt my back over the weekend. I hate taking pain killers, they make me sick.

I'm so sorry to hear that. Have just tried to send you about 5 pms but for some reason none are going through??? Take care of yourself and good to hear from you:smile:

[KaraokeDiva]

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080309055859AAYwQQuI heard on the news this morning that it is 5 years. No link so...IMO


This link says 10 years...but it's not official info IYAM.

I still believe it's 20 years. lol

When did the post office issue a JFK stamp? Or an Elvis stamp? Reagan??

[Nic99]

Well I guess y'all can issue a stamp in his honor then...but the U.S. won't until he's been dead 20 years.

You can probably sell them over here though, as collector's items.

Thanks, we probably will, seeing as we all love him so much over here, he deserves it and I will be the first in the queue:thumbsup:

[4Life]

Well I guess y'all can issue a stamp in his honor then...but the U.S. won't until he's been dead 20 years.

You can probably sell them over here though, as collector's items.

I thought it was now 10 years in the US

[KatieLady]

Here are the rules to being on a postage stamp

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=66660389133

Thanks! And more...

Commemorative stamps or postal stationery items honoring individuals usually will be issued on, or in conjunction with, significant anniversaries of their birth, but no postal item will be issued sooner than ten years after the individual's death. The one exception to the ten-year rule is the issuance of stamps honoring deceased U.S. presidents. They may be honored with a memorial stamp on the first birth anniversary following their death.

http://www.govspot.com/ask/suggestastamp.htm

[RootBeer]

I'm so sorry to hear that. Have just tried to send you about 5 pms but for some reason none are going through??? Take care of yourself and good to hear from you:smile:

I will email you soon. I have been meaning to anyways. :wink:

[KaraokeDiva]

I thought it was now 10 years in the US
You may be right. :)

[Nic99]

Thanks! And more...

Commemorative stamps or postal stationery items honoring individuals usually will be issued on, or in conjunction with, significant anniversaries of their birth, but no postal item will be issued sooner than ten years after the individual's death. The one exception to the ten-year rule is the issuance of stamps honoring deceased U.S. presidents. They may be honored with a memorial stamp on the first birth anniversary following their death.

http://www.govspot.com/ask/suggestastamp.htm

Silly US rules, doesn't stop the rest of the world issuing stamps with MJ on.

[who_is_it]

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LMS

I would have a question, specially addressed to you as you work in health care.

One of the first reports was MJ got a demerol shot (back then: demerol) at 11:30. The 911 call was at 12:21. Some days later Dr. Murray's lawyer admitted there was a 30 minutes delay by excuses which were hard to believe (doc didn't know the address; no phone).

It remains unclear to me WHY they HAD to ADMIT any delay. I know nothing about autopsies... but that they admitted the delay imo would only make sense

- if MJ was dead already at home (death time provable in autopsy)
- if he indeed died of drugs (time when got the drug provable in autopsy)

Could you think of any other medical aspects why they HAD to admit the delay because it later could be revealed in an autopsy? -- If not I conclude MJ was either dead already or indeed died of a drug or both (because the excuses for the delay are somehow ridiculous) and - no matter what their true reasons for the delay were (for example cleaning up the scene; avoiding media circus) - they wouldn't have had to admit the delay.

[legalmania]

Here is Debbie Rowe showing what a good mother she will be

http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/ktla-jackson-children-custody,0,3368167.story

[legalmania]

You may be right. :)

Here is the rule on how many years.

3. Commemorative stamps or postal stationery items honoring individuals usually will be issued on, or in conjunction with significant anniversaries of their birth, but no postal item will be issued sooner than five years after the individual's death. The Committee will not accept or consider proposals for a subject until at least three years after his/her death. The only exception to the five-year rule is the issuance of stamps honoring deceased U.S. presidents. They may be honored with a memorial stamp on the first birth anniversary following death.

[GentleBreeze]

Here are the rules to being on a postage stamp

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=66660389133

I think there will be stamps of MJ.

Elvis was on a postage stamp in 1993.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/26/AR2006122600415.html

His stamp remains the most popular at number one most collected.

imo

[KatieLady]

Here is the rule on how many years.

3. Commemorative stamps or postal stationery items honoring individuals usually will be issued on, or in conjunction with significant anniversaries of their birth, but no postal item will be issued sooner than five years after the individual's death. The Committee will not accept or consider proposals for a subject until at least three years after his/her death. The only exception to the five-year rule is the issuance of stamps honoring deceased U.S. presidents. They may be honored with a memorial stamp on the first birth anniversary following death.

The link I posted said 10 years after death :shrug:

http://www.govspot.com/ask/suggestastamp.htm

[legalmania]

I think there will be stamps of MJ.

Elvis was on a postage stamp in 1993.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/26/AR2006122600415.html

His stamp remains the most popular at number one most collected.

imo

I think so also with the postal service suffering because of the internet they'll do what they have to, to keep the business going.