Michael Jackson Part 3

[Lyndawitha"Y]

OK..since no one wants to start a new threa..here ya go...LOL

LMS

[sunstar]

Thanks Lynda! :smile: Just a reminder to whoever is interested ~ CNN is supposed to have a special on Michael again tonight at 8 & 11pm ET.

[panache]

I saw this link posted on the other thread. I didn't know this was standard procedure in drug related autopsies. Is this true?

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/87786/Jacko-s-brain-removed-in-drug-OD-tests/

[Cardinal]

I saw this link posted on the other thread. I didn't know this was standard procedure in drug related autopsies. Is this true?

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/87786/Jacko-s-brain-removed-in-drug-OD-tests/

I don't know, but it doesn't surprise me.

[ahlou3]

I'm so wisshing just one day everyone who speak or write will write about the good Michael has done. I so wishing that just one day everyone will talk about how he united or at least tried to to unite all people in this world.

[GentleBreeze]

Oops, I didnt know we had another thread until I had hit submit so I am bringing this post over.

GentleBreeze
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tokyo Rose
What? Why would he pay 20 million to a father and son to keep them quiet? You do know about the picture of MJ's genitals that was taken by
the police after serving a search warrant. The kid described a mark on his genitals to a T. Wonder how the kid knew about that? Hmmmmm

jmo
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Who wouldn't if they had the money to do so TR? Even if he went to trial and was found NG again he never comes out from under the taint. You should know that by MJs case where he WAS found NG but it did not stop many from saying he still was a pedophile and that imo began MJs great decline and mounting pain. That even though found NG the tongue waggers still wagged.

The mere allegation of an sexual offense against a child is enough to ruin anyone's life even if that person is completely and totally innocent. Being in court is like rolling loaded dice. Innocent people have gone to prison.

I can see why MJ paid these cases. Money at that time was plentiful. He certainly knew it was all about getting money from him since they preferred the pot of gold rather than their day in court.





imo

[Cardinal]

I'm so wisshing just one day everyone who speak or write will write about the good Michael has done. I so wishing that just one day everyone will talk about how he united or at least tried to to unite all people in this world.

Truthdiscern did that earlier, beautifully, I thought. I brought it over:

you are right..it is an event which defies precedent...period...at no time in history has the world been able to globally communicate in such a way..tweet..message board...tmz...up to the minute details handed over to millions...an icon whose timely message will be heard by many who had judged or were indifferent, hated or loved him...this is a way big deal...i see it as a pivotal moment in the history of our global consciousness...i am awed by what i see when i step back and look at this...i cant think of another event which would produce the myriad of lessons, as well as a unifying journey for so many..it is amazing

[Tokyo Rose]

I saw this link posted on the other thread. I didn't know this was standard procedure in drug related autopsies. Is this true?

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/87786/Jacko-s-brain-removed-in-drug-OD-tests/

It's standard procedure in all autopsies I believe. If there is no in your face cause of death they take organs and test them. Heart, brain to name two I know of. They freeze the organs and make very thin slices and view them under a microscope. This is what takes them so long for results. They already know the toxicology report as to what was in his system. So does the family.

jmo

[Lyndawitha"Y]

I'm so wisshing just one day everyone who speak or write will write about the good Michael has done. I so wishing that just one day everyone will talk about how he united or at least tried to to unite all people in this world.

Hey ahlou..I dont believe you have to worry one bit..All I have seen in the past week and half are the accolates MJ has ...I am also sure..his past questionable actions will always be there..but like most mortals..they wish to remember the "Positive"...

LMS

[panache]

It's standard procedure in all autopsies I believe. If there is no in your face cause of death they take organs and test them. Heart, brain to name two I know of. They freeze the organs and make very thin slices and view them under a microscope. This is what takes them so long for results. They already know the toxicology report as to what was in his system. So does the family.

jmo

Thanks TR, I knew about the heart, but was unaware of the brain being removed. I wonder if this also happened in the ANS case.

[sunstar]

And he did this also while in insurmountable inner pain.

To give of yourself as MJ did in SO MANY ways to SO MANY people is respectable in and of itself, but it is quite the accomplished feat to do so while trying to mask your own tumultuous demons.

Let anyone without sin, cast the first stone.

Beautifully said! :smile:

[Tokyo Rose]

Thanks TR, I knew about the heart, but was unaware of the brain being removed. I wonder if this also happened in the ANS case.

I would say so. I believe they have also kept all samples from her and will MJ too.

[SavannahStar]

Beautifully said! :smile:

Ditto. A lovely post!

[warhorse46]

I saw this link posted on the other thread. I didn't know this was standard procedure in drug related autopsies. Is this true?

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/87786/Jacko-s-brain-removed-in-drug-OD-tests/




The brain is removed from the body in all autopsies not just drug suspected deaths. They remove the brain to take tissue samples from it, weigh it & just generally observe it. Other organs are removed as well for the same reason. Most of the time the organs are placed back in the body after the samples are obtained & are buried or cremated with the body.

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-happens-during-an-autopsy.htm

[ahlou3]

Truthdiscern did that earlier, beautifully, I thought. I brought it over:
I missed it or I would have quoted it - yes it was beautifully done.

Maybe just maybe it may happen - just one day.

Thanx for providing.

[Mamie]

It's standard procedure in all autopsies I believe. If there is no in your face cause of death they take organs and test them. Heart, brain to name two I know of. They freeze the organs and make very thin slices and view them under a microscope. This is what takes them so long for results. They already know the toxicology report as to what was in his system. So does the family.

jmo

Bolding mine. I agree with your post as to removing the organs because they also weigh them. In the freezing of them, they can discover many things. My first breast cancer was discovered to be malignant when they removed the lump and tissue around it and used this procedure. They had the results in about 45 minutes and that was 20 years ago.

[GentleBreeze]

I'm so wishing just one day everyone who speak or write will write about the good Michael has done. I so wishing that just one day everyone will talk about how he united or at least tried to to unite all people in this world.

Ok, ahlou. I do enjoy very much talking about MJ. Imo, he had a very good, loving and caring heart. He wanted to save as many children as he could across this world. What a difference one man can make. The 400 million given to charities is phenomenal and he plans to even give more. Even in death he will help children.

That is one of the reasons I will never believe MJ the shy, gentle soul was a pedophile. I think he cared deeply..... maybe more deeply than others can comprehend.

I do think he was one of the most misunderstood men ever. All that really really knew him say such glowing and kind things. His love for others even makes strong men emotional. I think somehow they feel blessed to have known MJ and to witness the love that he had in his heart especially for his own children and all needy children. He wanted children to be happy, to play, to enjoy everyday they had just being a kid. He too was a kid at heart. A man/child and so gifted.

imo

[Pretty Leaf]

It's standard procedure in all autopsies I believe. If there is no in your face cause of death they take organs and test them. Heart, brain to name two I know of. They freeze the organs and make very thin slices and view them under a microscope. This is what takes them so long for results. They already know the toxicology report as to what was in his system. So does the family.

jmo

I do not believe that they "keep the organs". In my father's case, sudden alchohol related death,they took samples of the brain, heart, kidney's, liver but replaced the organs before he was released to the family. He was buried whole.

They have no reason to keep the whole organ once slides have been extracted.

I can hear the stories now....Geraldo looks for MJ brain...

[ahlou3]

And he did this also while in insurmountable inner pain.

To give of yourself as MJ did in SO MANY ways to SO MANY people is respectable in and of itself, but it is quite the accomplished feat to do so while trying to mask your own tumultuous demons.

Let anyone without sin, cast the first stone.

I'm answering one on one 'cause you all are so :thumbup: for lack of a better statement.

[panache]

The brain is removed from the body in all autopsies not just drug suspected deaths. They remove the brain to take tissue samples from it, weigh it & just generally observe it. Other organs are removed as well for the same reason. Most of the time the organs are placed back in the body after the samples are obtained & are buried or cremated with the body.

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-happens-during-an-autopsy.htm

Oh thanks Warhorse. Learned something new. So in some cases the organs are placed back in the body/ LOL, I don't think I can open your link to see what happens, I'll take your word for it...Queazy stomach tonight. ...But thanks. :biggrin:

[ahlou3]

Hey ahlou..I dont believe you have to worry one bit..All I have seen in the past week and half are the accolates MJ has ...I am also sure..his past questionable actions will always be there..but like most mortals..they wish to remember the "Positive"...

LMS
Our pastor talked of that today - his was 'Michael was an icon that gave so much to so many - Michael did the moonwalk Jesus walked on water - Michael was a human like all of us he may have made mistakes Jesus was cruxified and had done no wrong.

[GentleBreeze]

And he did this also while in insurmountable inner pain.

To give of yourself as MJ did in SO MANY ways to SO MANY people is respectable in and of itself, but it is quite the accomplished feat to do so while trying to mask your own tumultuous demons.

Let anyone without sin, cast the first stone.

Amen!

May he be doing the Heavenwalk now. I hope his spirit soars higher than eagles dare to fly.

imo

[Unperson1984]

Our pastor talked of that today - his was 'Michael was an icon that gave so much to so many - Michael did the moonwalk Jesus walked on water - Michael was a human like all of us he may have made mistakes Jesus was cruxified and had done no wrong.

Your Pastor compared Michael Jackson to Jesus Christ?

[Tokyo Rose]

I do not believe that they "keep the organs". In my father's case, sudden alchohol related death,they took samples of the brain, heart, kidney's, liver but replaced the organs before he was released to the family. He was buried whole.

They have no reason to keep the whole organ once slides have been extracted.

I can hear the stories now....Geraldo looks for MJ brain...

No, I don't think they keep the organs either. Just the samples. That story was probably just media hype.

[GentleBreeze]

Dear MJ posters:

Just making a suggestion ..... can we please continue the MJ discussion without rehashing the trial, please ?? I think most of us if not all have reached a conclusion as to what we believe and to rehash the trial only serves to derail the thread from the current issues surrounding his death. I have responded to posts as well -- so this does include me too!

Of course I realize it is your prerogative - so just asking.

That is fine with me, Athena.

That has long ago passed.

imo

[incidentally]

I saw this link posted on the other thread. I didn't know this was standard procedure in drug related autopsies. Is this true?

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/87786/Jacko-s-brain-removed-in-drug-OD-tests/

This is one of those rag magazines that reports such things as people giving birth to aliens. I wouldn't waste a moment believing anything the say.

[kennedy06]

I came across this video, I like the sound of it. It is Michael with his 3 nephews, Tito's sons. I think that was nice he recorded with them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIzhIxTQ7DY

[Cardinal]

Dear MJ posters:

Just making a suggestion ..... can we please continue the MJ discussion without rehashing the trial, please ?? I think most of us if not all have reached a conclusion as to what we believe and to rehash the trial only serves to derail the thread from the current issues surrounding his death. I have responded to posts as well -- so this does include me too!

Of course I realize it is your prerogative - so just asking.

I've responded to posts, too, but I hope you're heard, Athena. :)

[Pretty Leaf]

Our pastor talked of that today - his was 'Michael was an icon that gave so much to so many - Michael did the moonwalk Jesus walked on water - Michael was a human like all of us he may have made mistakes Jesus was cruxified and had done no wrong.


Bolding minie

Huh...moonwalk..walk on water???

comparing Michael to Jesus' cruxifiction

My gawd get to another church this paster is nuts.:crying:

[Tokyo Rose]

Bolding mine. I agree with your post as to removing the organs because they also weigh them. In the freezing of them, they can discover many things. My first breast cancer was discovered to be malignant when they removed the lump and tissue around it and used this procedure. They had the results in about 45 minutes and that was 20 years ago.

:rose: for you. The same thing happened with my first go
round in 1989. The difference in the time frame is ours was important to find out answers right away. Mine was before they closed me up.

MJ's is through a very busy crime lab and time doesn't matter so his samples wait in line.

jmo

[Ionmhainn]

Every time there is this sort of public uproar, I can't help but think that we are supposed to learn something from it. That our attention is being directed to something. Perhaps we need our complacency stirred in some way? If true, then there will always be some sort of "sacrificial lamb" involved. "Chaos" seems to be needed to effect change, unfortunately.

Maybe, if we get too bogged down in the obvious, we'll miss the "lesson?"

[Tokyo Rose]

That is fine with me, Athena.

That has long ago passed.

imo

I think that depends on your point of view. jmo

[Poochie Pie]

Ok, ahlou. I do enjoy very much talking about MJ. Imo, he had a very good, loving and caring heart. He wanted to save as many children as he could across this world. What a difference one man can make. The 400 million given to charities is phenomenal and he plans to even give more. Even in death he will help children.

That is one of the reasons I will never believe MJ the shy, gentle soul was a pedophile. I think he cared deeply..... maybe more deeply than others can comprehend.

I do think he was one of the most misunderstood men ever. All that really really knew him say such glowing and kind things. His love for others even makes strong men emotional. I think somehow they feel blessed to have known MJ and to witness the love that he had in his heart especially for his own children and all needy children. He wanted children to be happy, to play, to enjoy everyday they had just being a kid. He too was a kid at heart. A man/child and so gifted.

imo Beautiful sentiments, Gentlebreeze..!! Your comment: "He wanted children to be happy, to play, to enjoy everyday they had just being a kid"... Don't you think this is partially due to the fact that he never really had a childhood..?? As I heard someone say before.. (can't remember where I heard it) he didn't go camping, or fishing, or rollerblading in the park.. His days were filled with rehearsing for hours with father Joe sitting on the sidelines with a belt.. So sad...

Poochie

[Cardinal]

I came across this video, I like the sound of it. It is Michael with his 3 nephews, Tito's sons. I think that is nice he recorded with them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIzhIxTQ7DY

Thank you! I like the sound of it too. And I think it's very special that he recorded with them. Didn't someone say earlier he singled them out in his trust? Maybe he wanted them to continue the tradition.

[CeruleanBleu]

Your Pastor compared Michael Jackson to Jesus Christ?

And people wonder where the word Floon came from.:wink:

[who_is_it]

Dear MJ posters:

Just making a suggestion ..... can we please continue the MJ discussion without rehashing the trial, please ?? I think most of us if not all have reached a conclusion as to what we believe and to rehash the trial only serves to derail the thread from the current issues surrounding his death. I have responded to posts as well -- so this does include me too!

Of course I realize it is your prerogative - so just asking.

TMZ start just started the topic which is unwanted by many posters who want to show Michael Jackson respect. I don't post a link.

My suggestion is that people who still want to discuss the child molestation allegations instead of questions surrounding his death could post on TMZ.

[Cardinal]

Every time there is this sort of public uproar, I can't help but think that we are supposed to learn something from it. That our attention is being directed to something. Perhaps we need our complacency stirred in some way? If true, then there will always be some sort of "sacrificial lamb" involved. "Chaos" seems to be needed to effect change, unfortunately.

Maybe, if we get too bogged down in the obvious, we'll miss the "lesson?"

And there you are again, Ion. :) I'd really like to hear what you think the "lesson" is.

[ahlou3]

Your Pastor compared Michael Jackson to Jesus Christ?
See you missed the point already. I'll say this he was saying Jackson was a long-l9ong time artist who tried to unite the world but he was not Jesus Christ.

I will NOT get into a debate with you so this may just be my last response to you about this.

adding - out of respect for Michael.

[Tokyo Rose]

Every time there is this sort of public uproar, I can't help but think that we are supposed to learn something from it. That our attention is being directed to something. Perhaps we need our complacency stirred in some way? If true, then there will always be some sort of "sacrificial lamb" involved. "Chaos" seems to be needed to effect change, unfortunately.

Maybe, if we get too bogged down in the obvious, we'll miss the "lesson?"

The lesson here is the same as the Anna Nicole Smith case. Keep better track of doctors who prescribe medications to celebrities in various aliases for big bucks. jmo

[who_is_it]

With the focus on prescription drug abuse and the Doctors and Pharmacies that help to enable it; I am hoping that MJ's, HL's and ANS' deaths are not in vain. It appears they all started taking prescription drugs for legitimate reasons and became addicted as tolerance levels to the drugs build up.

Prescription drug abuse is a national crisis that does not only affect celebrities but each one of us that may find they will need a prescription drug that can be addicting. The doctors that enable this are no better than street pushers IMO and should be treated as such and IMO worse because they do have a code of ethics that is supposed to be adhered to. JMHO

Michael Jackson drug reports prompt doctors' warning
http://www.reuters.com/article/peopleNews/idUSTRE5615KN20090705

[GentleBreeze]

Bolding minie

Huh...moonwalk..walk on water???

comparing Michael to Jesus' cruxifiction

My gawd get to another church this paster is nuts.:crying:

That is not what he was saying imo.

He said MJ only did the moonwalk however Jesus walked on water. He said MJ was human with faults however Jesus had no faults.

Imo he was saying there is no comparing MJ, a mere mortal.... to Jesus who is without sin.

He is right.

imo

[Poochie Pie]

:rose: for you. The same thing happened with my first go
round in 1989. The difference in the time frame is ours was important to find out answers right away. Mine was before they closed me up.

MJ's is through a very busy crime lab and time doesn't matter so his samples wait in line.

jmo :rose: For you and Mamie, Tokyo Rose..!! I am so glad that both of you are here with us...

Poochie

[Mamie]

:rose: for you. The same thing happened with my first go
round in 1989. The difference in the time frame is ours was important to find out answers right away. Mine was before they closed me up.

MJ's is through a very busy crime lab and time doesn't matter so his samples wait in line.

jmo

Hey-----my first one was in 1989! Back at ya!:rose:

Yes, time doesn't matter with MJ's, and my reference to the time in my procedure was not intended to detract or interfere with any reference to his procedures. I apologize if anybody took it to mean anything regarding timelines on today's procedures.

[ahlou3]

Bolding minie

Huh...moonwalk..walk on water???

comparing Michael to Jesus' cruxifiction

My gawd get to another church this paster is nuts.:crying:
You reach your youth your way - we reach our youth our way.

[CinderL.]

I came across this video, I like the sound of it. It is Michael with his 3 nephews, Tito's sons. I think that was nice he recorded with them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIzhIxTQ7DY

That was great. Good looking young men. Very nice.

[CeruleanBleu]

Jack London
Omar Adams
Anita Fix
Drugless McArthur
Debbie Downer
Lyle Tablet
Glen Dose
Tab Hunter

[who_is_it]

According to the LA Times 1.6 million people registered for tickets.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/07/16-million-seek-michael-jackson-memorial-tickets.html

[sunstar]

The lesson here is the same as the Anna Nicole Smith case. Keep better track of doctors who prescribe medications to celebrities in various aliases for big bucks. jmo

I would've thought after ANS death and the CA attorney general prosecuting the doctors that all doctors, especially in CA, would have wised up out of fear of being convicted ~ just in case their "patient" also died. MOO

[AlohaRainbow]

re the brain during autopsy

http://www.deathonline.net/what_happens/autopsy/autopsy_steps.cfm

...In its fresh state the brain is very difficult to cut, so in order to make it easier for the neuropathologist to examine, the brain will be fixed in a solution of formalin for up to two weeks. Although two weeks is the optimal time to fix the brain, it can be sufficiently fixed in a shorter period in order to facilitate the return of the brain to the body prior to burial in selected cases.

Should the pathologist need to retain the whole brain it would typically be discussed with the relatives of the deceased first, prior to the release of the body for the funeral.

Once the study of the brain has been completed the brain would either be returned to the body, or in the case where the funeral has already taken place the pathologist will consult with the family to determine the most appropriate manner of disposing of the brain.

[Mamie]

:rose: For you and Mamie, Tokyo Rose..!! I am so glad that both of you are here with us...

Poochie

Thanks Poochie----how sweet of you! And let me add......I am glad too.

[incidentally]

Michael Jackson drug reports prompt doctors' warning
http://www.reuters.com/article/peopleNews/idUSTRE5615KN20090705

This report has Katherine being in court on Monday. This makes me question if the funeral will actually be on Monday. Maybe it will be on Tuesday while fans descend upon and around the parameters of The Staples Center.

[ahlou3]

That is not what he was saying imo.

He said MJ only did the moonwalk however Jesus walked on water. He said MJ was human with faults however Jesus had no faults.

Imo he was saying there is no comparing MJ, a mere mortal.... to Jesus who is without sin.

He is right.

imo

Sending you hugs and hugs for that. We thought it was a good way to teach children (not only children) about Jesus while saying humans can do kindness as well.

[CinderL.]

TMZ start just started the topic which is unwanted by many posters who want to show Michael Jackson respect. I don't post a link.

My suggestion is that people who still want to discuss the child molestation allegations instead of questions surrounding his death could post on TMZ.

There is also a Michael Fan club site for memorials.

I don't want to discuss the trial, but I am awfully tired of hearing about MJ being some kind of saint.

[achristie]

I came across this video, I like the sound of it. It is Michael with his 3 nephews, Tito's sons. I think that was nice he recorded with them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIzhIxTQ7DY

Great. So normal and happy. A gifted family. Can't wait to hear from the three nephews.

[Poochie Pie]

Sending you hugs and hugs for that. We thought it was a good way to teach children (not only children) about Jesus while saying humans can do kindness as well. I think you all picked a splendid way to teach about Jesus, ahlou3... Kudos to you.. :smile:

Poochie

[Cardinal]

I am going to give you the benefit of doubt that you are not comparing Michael Jackson to Jesus Christ. The major difference here is Michael Jackson did do something wrong. If nothing more than to mutilate the face that God gave him. Beyond that I will not comment for the sake of unity on the thread.

How big of you. :rolleyes:

[who_is_it]

There is also a Michael Fan club site for memorials.

I don't want to discuss the trial, but I am awfully tired of hearing about MJ being some kind of saint.

Many appreciating posts result from quotes, for example of Beyonce or Madonna.

[Pretty Leaf]

You reach your youth your way - we reach our youth our way.

No disrespect but I re read your initial post and still say what the heck.. you should look at the way you said it

[B]Michael did the moonwalk Jesus walked on water -

I'll concede that the end of the post however written badly,
that "Michael was a human like all of us he may have made mistakes Jesus was cruxified and had done no wrong." could be seen as a comparable, but I will give the benefit of doubt that the pastor meant no such comparision.

[Ionmhainn]

And there you are again, Ion. :) I'd really like to hear what you think the "lesson" is.

Well, I can't predict what the ultimate lesson or change might be. However, a few things come to mind. Children should be supported by their parents and not the other way around.
The damage from physical and emotional abuse does not disappear with the onset of adulthood. To me, that's like saying a surgical wound will disappear the minute you leave the hospital! MJ's "manifestation" is specific to him, and very public of course, but there are millions of "walking wounded." I would imagine that MJ's lyrics reached a lot of those.

I certainly hope that there will be some changes re doctors and prescriptions.

But for the moment..."there but for fortune" certainly comes to mind....

[Tokyo Rose]

I came across this video, I like the sound of it. It is Michael with his 3 nephews, Tito's sons. I think that was nice he recorded with them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIzhIxTQ7DY


Thanks for the video. Very nice. It was rumored MJ left something in the trust for three of his nephews. I think these are the ones. jmo

[GentleBreeze]

Sending you hugs and hugs for that. We thought it was a good way to teach children (not only children) about Jesus while saying humans can do kindness as well.

Yes both things must be stressed to young children and kindness should be instilled in children. The meek shall inherit the earth.

imo

[CinderL.]

Many appreciating posts result from quotes, for example of Beyonce or Madonna.

Yes, some are.

[who_is_it]

I don't think she has to be in court -- just the lawyers ??

Branca has to be in court, too. He was a close longterm friend of Michael and probably would attend the funeral, too. (Unless it's not a very small circle of family members only.) I don't think the funeral is on Monday.

[CinderL.]

I don't think she has to be in court -- just the lawyers ??

I thought that both DR and Kathrine asked for this to be postponed?

[ahlou3]

No disrespect but I re read your initial post and still say what the heck.. you should look at the way you said it

[B]Michael did the moonwalk Jesus walked on water -

I'll concede that the end of the post however written badly,
that "Michael was a human like all of us he may have made mistakes Jesus was cruxified and had done no wrong." could be seen as a comparable, but I will give the benefit of doubt that the pastor meant no such comparision.
So rewrite it sicne there was on comparision as if MJ was JC but rather that MJ had done much good but not as much by any means as JC.

[CeruleanBleu]

Congressman on Jackson: 'He Was a Pedophile'

Posted Jul 5th 2009 6:54PM by TMZ Staff

Congressman Pete King (R-NY) feels we should be honoring the men and women of the Armed Forces -- and not a "pedophile" and "child molester" like Michael Jackson.
www.tmz.com

[who_is_it]

I thought that both DR and Kathrine asked for this to be postponed?

The court date is about something different:

(...) the named executors want to make sure they have control over the assets and are asking the judge to nullify Katherine's power to move assets around -- even temporarily.

"UPDATE: The judge in the case has ruled Katherine will remain as temporary administrator for the rest of the week. (...) the matter will be heard Monday."

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/01/michael-jackson-court-hearing/

[Cardinal]

Well, I can't predict what the ultimate lesson or change might be. However, a few things come to mind. Children should be supported by their parents and not the other way around.
The damage from physical and emotional abuse does not disappear with the onset of adulthood. To me, that's like saying a surgical wound will disappear the minute you leave the hospital! MJ's "manifestation" is specific to him, and very public of course, but there are millions of "walking wounded." I would imagine that MJ's lyrics reached a lot of those.

I certainly hope that there will be some changes re doctors and prescriptions.

But for the moment..."there but for fortune" certainly comes to mind....

That thought has crossed my mind a few times, Ion. Except perhaps for the fortunate few, we are all damaged in some way, and go through life trying to get beyond the garbage and do what we believe we were put here to do. Flaws and all. I would truly hate to think, that at the end of my life, people chose to remember the mistakes I made and the ways in which I fell short, rather than the lives I tried to touch and the ways I tried to make a difference.

Goodnight, everyone. :seeya:

[GentleBreeze]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

imo...of course.

Yes, it is. I thought he looked very handsome. More like the MJ from the 90s when he was so stunning.

The dress attire in the rehearsal photos are fabulous imo but no one could be so stunningly dressed as MJ was in his shows.

I would love to see all the outfits he was going to wear for opening night. Maybe they will show them all later on.

imo

[Tokyo Rose]

With the focus on prescription drug abuse and the Doctors and Pharmacies that help to enable it; I am hoping that MJ's, HL's and ANS' deaths are not in vain. It appears they all started taking prescription drugs for legitimate reasons and became addicted as tolerance levels to the drugs build up.

Prescription drug abuse is a national crisis that does not only affect celebrities but each one of us that may find they will need a prescription drug that can be addicting. The doctors that enable this are no better than street pushers IMO and should be treated as such and IMO worse because they do have a code of ethics that is supposed to be adhered to. JMHO

ETA: This attention should have started with Elvis' death and they missed the boat -- time to dock it.

Excellent post. I agree.

[magnolia]

I have seen no one refer to MJ as a saint.What he was though was a wounded soul in life, so for the love of GOD, let him have peace in his death.

Throughout his own wounds, he gave this world intense joy, generous charity donations particularly to children, an unsurpassed talent in music & dance, and for that I would think people would be grateful, reverent, and respectful.

Bolding is mine.

I have and it's naseating.

[GentleBreeze]

This report has Katherine being in court on Monday. This makes me question if the funeral will actually be on Monday. Maybe it will be on Tuesday while fans descend upon and around the parameters of The Staples Center.

Hmm now that makes perfect sense. While everyone is at the memorial the family is laying him to rest.

Interesting thought.

[incidentally]

Congressman on Jackson: 'He Was a Pedophile'

Posted Jul 5th 2009 6:54PM by TMZ Staff

Congressman Pete King (R-NY) feels we should be honoring the men and women of the Armed Forces -- and not a "pedophile" and "child molester" like Michael Jackson.
www.tmz.com

Not a bright move, Congressman Pete King. I'm sure you'll be hearing from the Jackson family's lawyers very soon. Possibly they'll accept a reasonable settlement, perhaps a half a million or so.

[GentleBreeze]

Bolding is mine.

I have and it's naseating.

Who called him a Saint?:confused: I missed that.

imo

[Tokyo Rose]

Thanks Poochie----how sweet of you! And let me add......I am glad too.

Thanks Pooch. I think we are both lucky.

[who_is_it]

<snipped>
I would love to see all the outfits he was going to wear for opening night. Maybe they will show them all later on.

imo

I would love to see them, too.

[KatieLady]

I actually have this CD. It was recorded in either 1995 or 1996. So refreshing to hear young artists really singing instead of rapping. Guess I'm an old fa**. LOL

I agree Athena, Been watching several on YouTube. They are such nice looking young men and very talented. There is a strong family (Michael) resembalance IMO

[Pretty Leaf]

So rewrite it sicne there was on comparision as if MJ was JC but rather that MJ had done much good but not as much by any means as JC.

sorry but what does your ist sentance mean? "it sicne there was on comparision as if MJ was JC

?? don't get what you are saying in that sentance.

Have to fly but will see your answer, if one, at another time.

[CinderL.]

The custody hearing is postpone -- this one involves the will/estate. Oh ok, thanks.

[GentleBreeze]

Not a bright move, Congressman Pete King. I'm sure you'll be hearing from the Jackson family's lawyers very soon. Possibly they'll accept a reasonable settlement, perhaps a half a million or so.

Boy some people are just plain dumb and always letting their mouth overload their butt or wallet.

What is this guy drinking?

You are right, there goes another lawsuit.

imo

[magnolia]

Who called him a Saint?:confused: I missed that.

imo

I meant to say he's been "characterized" as a saint. And by lots of people.

[who_is_it]

Not a bright move, Congressman Pete King. I'm sure you'll be hearing from the Jackson family's lawyers very soon. Possibly they'll accept a reasonable settlement, perhaps a half a million or so.

If they only would sue people who continue to speak out claims as if they were facts.

[Mamie]

There is also a Michael Fan club site for memorials.

I don't want to discuss the trial, but I am awfully tired of hearing about MJ being some kind of saint.

So what would you suggest? No posting at all?

[ahlou3]

Congressman on Jackson: 'He Was a Pedophile'

Posted Jul 5th 2009 6:54PM by TMZ Staff

Congressman Pete King (R-NY) feels we should be honoring the men and women of the Armed Forces -- and not a "pedophile" and "child molester" like Michael Jackson.
www.tmz.com
Interesting PK never said anything about those pedophiles and other unholy deed by members of the GOP or did we miss something.

[CeruleanBleu]

Not a bright move, Congressman Pete King. I'm sure you'll be hearing from the Jackson family's lawyers very soon. Possibly they'll accept a reasonable settlement, perhaps a half a million or so.
UmmmHmmm, yea, whatever.
The J lawyers better get busy then because hundreds of millions of people happen to agree with the Congressman, let's sue them all:laugh:

[GentleBreeze]

I would love to see them, too.

Did you see the one in the white beaded jacket? I think it was from the rehearsals or maybe photo ops for the show.

OH MY it was gorgeous to me.:ohmy:

imo

[KatieLady]

They are the son of Tito's (plays guitar) and are bi-racial. Their mom was killed at the age of 39 or so but she was very pretty too!

Yes....I had read that before.

[magnolia]

Why on earth do you CHOOSE to post on a thread where you find some of the comments nauseating?

Because I WANT TO.

And I accept that I can't control others feelings and thoughts.

And I take a break when all the "gushing" gets to be too much, lol.

[achristie]

I am going to give you the benefit of doubt that you are not comparing Michael Jackson to Jesus Christ. The major difference here is Michael Jackson did do something wrong. If nothing more than to mutilate the face that God gave him. Beyond that I will not comment for the sake of unity on the thread.

You have captured it. MJ didn't walk on water. He was a mere mortal. Despite his talent, his rhythm, and his cool, he struggled like the rest of us. That is why we mourn.

MOO Aggie

[CinderL.]

Boy some people are just plain dumb and always letting their mouth overload their butt or wallet.

What is this guy drinking?

You are right, there goes another lawsuit.

imo

I am not an attny. but I don't think you can slander the dead. I am sure someone on the board is an attny. that can answer that.

[ahlou3]

Not a bright move, Congressman Pete King. I'm sure you'll be hearing from the Jackson family's lawyers very soon. Possibly they'll accept a reasonable settlement, perhaps a half a million or so.
Oh - yes - I hope so!

I'll look around and see what if anything PK has done for anyone by PK.

[magnolia]

So do you have an opinion on the circumstances surround his death or are you here just to bait ?? :confused:

Oh, am I baiting now? Is this because I don't agree with you? And yes I have several opinions on his death.

[Mamie]

Not a bright move, Congressman Pete King. I'm sure you'll be hearing from the Jackson family's lawyers very soon. Possibly they'll accept a reasonable settlement, perhaps a half a million or so.

I hope they sue his AZZ OFF!!!

[who_is_it]

Did you see the one in the white beaded jacket? I think it was from the rehearsals or maybe photo ops for the show.

OH MY it was gorgeous to me.:ohmy:

imo

No, I don't know that one.

I love his old costumes, for example in the "Dirty Diana" video, but also these distinctive MJ jackets.

[VC2]

Thanks TR, I knew about the heart, but was unaware of the brain being removed. I wonder if this also happened in the ANS case.

isn't funny how some ideas are more surprising than others? I did a double take at the headline even though i know brain samples are taken..i guess i always figured some brain was buried with the person. Yet i fully believe in organ donations and don't think the shell is the soul..but get disturbed at someone not being allowed to rest where they want to. A really unusual case was a man in China, who had a penis transplant-one of only a few in the world- after a terrible accident. He had it undone because his wife was just unable to handle it.

Liver and kidneys few have any problem with emotionally but eyes, brain, heart...

It is a pity that he had the medical and drug issues he did, MJ imo would have loved to donate his organs to a teen (or other-just size thinking teen) in need. Even tho physically healthy or not it might have been impossible due to the celebrity factor. If it ever got out that someone had "Michael Jackson's heart" their lives would be chaos, the last thing a transplant patient needs.

just musings

[Poochie Pie]

Did you see the one in the white beaded jacket? I think it was from the rehearsals or maybe photo ops for the show.

OH MY it was gorgeous to me.:ohmy:

imo Totally gorgeous, Gentlebreeze..!! One of my favorites, too...

Poochie

[who_is_it]

I hope they sue his AZZ OFF!!!

I wished... but how many would they have to sue?!

[Ionmhainn]

That thought has crossed my mind a few times, Ion. Except perhaps for the fortunate few, we are all damaged in some way, and go through life trying to get beyond the garbage and do what we believe we were put here to do. Flaws and all. I would truly hate to think, that at the end of my life, people chose to remember the mistakes I made and the ways in which I fell short, rather than the lives I tried to touch and the ways I tried to make a difference.

Goodnight, everyone. :seeya:

That thought has crossed my mind during every "case" I have ever followed.

Don't worry about the negative...somehow the positive will be incorporated too. :wink:

[incidentally]

UmmmHmmm, yea, whatever.
The J lawyers better get busy then because hundreds of millions of people happen to agree with the Congressman, let's sue them all:laugh:

I've no doubt many do agree with him but they have not gone on camera, introduced themselves and their "title" then willfully and maliciously said things about MJ that he was found Not Guilty for.

This is the Jackson family and if you haven't noticed, they don't put up with any carp. Especially Joe Jackson (who I'll refrain from commenting further on).

I have no doubt the Jackson family attorneys are going to be all over this guy.

[GentleBreeze]

UmmmHmmm, yea, whatever.
The J lawyers better get busy then because hundreds of millions of people happen to agree with the Congressman, let's sue them all:laugh:

What hundreds of millions?

We only have 300 million people in this entire country. I haven't seen hundreds of millions agree with the Congressman. Where did you come up with the hundreds of millions information?:lol:

Are they a part of the 1.6 million people that registered hoping to get tickets to the MJ memorial?

imo

[magnolia]

Maybe not, but you sure do give the appearance and impression that you are here solely to bait.

Well then those people who get that impression need to learn how to separate a "bait" from an alternate opinion. :)

[Poochie Pie]

UmmmHmmm, yea, whatever.
The J lawyers better get busy then because hundreds of millions of people happen to agree with the Congressman, let's sue them all:laugh: "hundreds of millions of people"..????????

[magnolia]

Then it's YOU who is reading way more into people's statements than is really there.

MJ was the epitome of what humanity is all about, and this world will go far if his legacy is carried over to even half of the people who SHOULD BE paying attention.

And I disagree with your assessment. He's the epitome of a great entertainer.

And.........there have been several posts that characterize MJ as a saint.

[Tokyo Rose]

UmmmHmmm, yea, whatever.
The J lawyers better get busy then because hundreds of millions of people happen to agree with the Congressman, let's sue them all:laugh:

Oh, how right you are!!:laugh:

[who_is_it]

<snipped>

Liver and kidneys few have any problem with emotionally but eyes, brain, heart...
<snipped>

just musings

Good thought... and that's why a trashy tabloid released the "brain" story.

[Poochie Pie]

Considering he is supposed to represent the US Constitution he could have at least used "alleged" since it was never proven. Absolutely Athena..!! He definitely stepped over the line...

Poochie

[GentleBreeze]

Totally gorgeous, Gentlebreeze..!! One of my favorites, too...

Poochie

Don't you think the production company is going to auction off all of his clothing? Just imagine the amount of money they will bring.:ohmy:

I remember he auctioned off a small statue of him and Bubbles, iirc and it fetched 1.5 million dollars and that was way before he died. The demand has gone through the roof now.

imo

[magnolia]

I am notoriously known for being in the minority of alternate opinions, and I manage to do it without being offensive or insensitive.

Or so you say...and good for you. And I've yet once called MJ a pedophile or child molester. I just don't hold him to such a high regard as several people on here. So just scroll by me if your offended by my posts.

[CinderL.]

I've no doubt many do agree with him but they have not gone on camera, introduced themselves and their "title" then willfully and maliciously said things about MJ that he was found Not Guilty for.

This is the Jackson family and if you haven't noticed, they don't put up with any carp. Especially Joe Jackson (who I'll refrain from commenting further on).

I have no doubt the Jackson family attorneys are going to be all over this guy.


I don't think they can sue anyone. You can't sue a dead person. You would have to ask an attny. But, I do remember something about Joan Crawford trying to sue someone for something they said about her mother. Didn't work, because her mother was dead.

[magnolia]

I think it's time to use ignore - you can just bypass all the BS. lol JMO


Wow...quick to the punch. And it doesn't bother or offend me at all. :)

[Tokyo Rose]

After all his numerous cosmetic surgeries, surgeons replaced the cartilage in MJ's nose to make him look more normal which they took from his own ear. Caucasians have a split cartilage in their nose, blacks don't. Apparently he wanted to look more white than black. What an inditement to all blacks who are honoring him now. See picture in the corner of this link. As I previously said, Beauty is in the Eye of the Beholder. IMO he was a much more handsome person before he started to mutilate his face.

I don't know if he was a pedophile or not. I wasn't there and none of the rest of you were. The jury said no. I have to live with that in spite of my personal belief's. And may I say, I never in my life listened nor watched him in concert, radio or on TV. I still won't on any media source including YouTube. Do I feel a lose? Sorry to say I don't, I didn't know him nor would I have wanted to.

http://www.tmz.com/

And he wanted Caucasian children too. So much so he didn't even use his own sperm, if he had any that is.

[PBJMOM4]

I hope the Jackson family takes Congressman King to the cleaners and he comes out naked.

NOT NAKED.....PLEASE!
Have the emails gone out informing the registered visitors who wanted to attend the public memorial on Tueday?

[Pretty Leaf]

[QUOTE=GentleBreeze;13256274]Don't you think the production company is going to auction off all of his clothing? Just imagine the amount of money they will bring.:ohmy:

I remember he auctioned off a small statue of him and Bubbles, iirc and it fetched 1.5 million dollars and that was way before he died. The demand has gone through the roof now.


Bolding mine

Michael owned all of his costumes, glove, socks, shoes ect. When he was in dire need of money an auction was set up to sell his costumes and funny bric a brak (Darth Vader made of lego's) that he had. In the end he could not part with any of it and cancelled the sale.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

You have captured it. MJ didn't walk on water. He was a mere mortal. Despite his talent, his rhythm, and his cool, he struggled like the rest of us. That is why we mourn.

MOO Aggie

I bolded to address...First, Of course he was mortal..as is 100% of everybody on earth ( if your religion allows that)..Second..Stuggles..YEP..but he had the money, power and influence to GET HEL..unlike the reast of us mere mortals..LAST..Dont believe we mourn because he had frailties...but because he failed himself and succumbed to his weaknesses...and those around him..getting their "Lot" are somewhat culpible for enabling his pursuit of avoidance of whatever he wanted to avoid..Be it pressure..be it responsibility..be it being able to "SHINE" like he wished...

I really dont think mourning is the right term..It simply is for most a sense of "Sorrow" for he lost his soul.. even tho he had support/knowledge/MONEY..but failed to use it for his own BETTERMENT...

MJ..just could not deal with whatever pressures were on him..and sought outside (abberrant) help..and it will likely be proved to be his demise..Sad, but ture I am afraid!

I dont so much mourn his death..but mourn his "Poor Choice's" and left his fans wanting more of his musical genious..MJ truly did march to a different drummer..!!

[Poochie Pie]

Don't you think the production company is going to auction off all of his clothing? Just imagine the amount of money they will bring.:ohmy:

I remember he auctioned off a small statue of him and Bubbles, iirc and it fetched 1.5 million dollars and that was way before he died. The demand has gone through the roof now.

imo I sure do..!! He was an icon for the young and old alike... At this point, everything he wore or touched will be pure gold.... I still find it hard to believe he is gone...:sad:

Poochie

[Tokyo Rose]

Why can't the congressman use his right to freedom of speech? After all he has a right to an opinion. jmo

[ahlou3]

What hundreds of millions?

We only have 300 million people in this entire country. I haven't seen hundreds of millions agree with the Congressman. Where did you come up with the hundreds of millions information?:lol:

Are they a part of the 1.6 million people that registered hoping to get tickets to the MJ memorial?

imo

Besides I don't know of anytime the Jackson sued. I remember MJ said he would if anyone called him Jacko on MS news. I thought it was cunning when FOX did it the other day.

I'm with you GB where is the link to millions.

[magnolia]

Bolded - And yet you don't have the self-control to do that?

Instead, you have to come here and attempt to rain on someone else's parade, or better stated, Micheal Jackson's deathbed.

This is not the memorial thread where only positive, loving, kind, things can be said. Ignoring that he's a flawed individual - not my thing. He contributed to the world but it wasn't all good.


Also, I'm not raining on his deathbed; I haven't been nasty with my thoughts about him. I'm speaking frankly but not maliciously.

[Mamie]

I don't think they can sue anyone. You can't sue a dead person. You would have to ask an attny. But, I do remember something about Joan Crawford trying to sue someone for something they said about her mother. Didn't work, because her mother was dead.

They wouldn't be suing a dead person------the congressman isn't dead....yet...

[GentleBreeze]

After all his numerous cosmetic surgeries, surgeons replaced the cartilage in MJ's nose to make him look more normal which they took from his own ear. Caucasians have a split cartilage in their nose, blacks don't. Apparently he wanted to look more white than black. What an inditement to all blacks who are honoring him now. See picture in the corner of this link. As I previously said, Beauty is in the Eye of the Beholder. IMO he was a much more handsome person before he started to mutilate his face.

I don't know if he was a pedophile or not. I wasn't there and none of the rest of you were. The jury said no. I have to live with that in spite of my personal belief's. And may I say, I never in my life listened nor watched him in concert, radio or on TV. I still won't on any media source including YouTube. Do I feel a lose? Sorry to say I don't, I didn't know him nor would I have wanted to.

http://www.tmz.com/

I think that is very speculative. You have no clue why MJ did what he did when he had his surgeries. You may think you can insert your own mind into his mind and think for him but the truth is you can't.

The media has done the same. Interjecting their own thoughts instead of MJs thoughts. Has he said that he wanted to be white? I doubt it, he seemed very comfortable with being a black man and he gave to many black organizations and James Brown was his mentor.

I suggest we all let MJs fan make their own decisions. Whether they are black, white or polka dotted I have no doubt that they are grieving the loss of the best entertainer in the world. Whether you ever listen to him or not will never change that one iota. His fan base will live on for years and years. Elvis has been dead almost 32 years. They still come to visit his grave and they will do the same for MJ.

imo

[Tokyo Rose]

They wouldn't be suing a dead person------the congressman isn't dead....yet...

MJ is dead. That's who the congressman was talking about, not his family. No damages. jmo

[incidentally]

They wouldn't be suing a dead person------the congressman isn't dead....yet...

:laugh:...............

[magnolia]

I bolded to address...First, Of course he was mortal..as is 100% of everybody on earth ( if your religion allows that)..Second..Stuggles..YEP..but he had the money, power and influence to GET HEL..unlike the reast of us mere mortals..LAST..Dont believe we mourn because he had frailties...but because he failed himself and succumbed to his weaknesses...and those around him..getting their "Lot" are somewhat culpible for enabling his pursuit of avoidance of whatever he wanted to avoid..Be it pressure..be it responsibility..be it being able to "SHINE" like he wished...

I really dont think mourning is the right term..It simply is for most a sense of "Sorrow" for he lost his soul.. even tho he had support/knowledge/MONEY..but failed to use it for his own BETTERMENT...

MJ..just could not deal with whatever pressures were on him..and sought outside (abberrant) help..and it will likely be proved to be his demise..Sad, but ture I am afraid!

I dont so much mourn his death..but mourn his "Poor Choice's" and left his fans wanting more of his musical genious..MJ truly did march to a different drummer..!!

Well expressed. :)

[Mamie]

I sure do..!! He was an icon for the young and old alike... At this point, everything he wore or touched will be pure gold.... I still find it hard to believe he is gone...:sad:

Poochie

I do too, Poochie----it's been over a week and I still cannot really believe it. Part of me does but then I stop and think that it just can't be.

[PBJMOM4]

Michael Jackson Memorial
Ticket Delay

MYFOXNY.COM - Michael Jackson fans hoping to snag a ticket for his memorial service Tuesday in Los Angeles will have to wait a day longer to learn if they're one of the lucky ones.

http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/national/090705_MichaeL_Jackson_Memorial_Ticket_Delay

Wow, wonder what happened there. How the heck does one plan to go there if they are from out of the country, doesn't give them much time if the "winners" of the tickets are coming from out of the country.
Did read that many flights from England were booking up... the next "England Invasion."

[CinderL.]

They wouldn't be suing a dead person------the congressman isn't dead....yet... Opp I worded that wrong. A dead person can't sue. :ohmy: And the family can't sue for him. I don't think so anyway.

[Tokyo Rose]

I think that is very speculative. You have no clue why MJ did what he did when he had his surgeries. You may think you can insert your own mind into his mind and think for him but the truth is you can't.

The media has done the same. Interjecting their own thoughts instead of MJs thoughts. Has he said that he wanted to be white? I doubt it, he seemed very comfortable with being a black man and he gave to many black organizations and James Brown was his mentor.

I suggest we all let MJs fan make their own decisions. Whether they are black, white or polka dotted I have no doubt that they are grieving the loss of the best entertainer in the world. Whether you ever listen to him or not will never change that one iota. His fan base will live on for years and years. Elvis has been dead almost 32 years. They still come to visit his grave and they will do the same for MJ.

imo

It's pretty obvious he bleached he skin WHITE. I wonder if that hurt much? Also he wanted white kids. He would rather have white kids than use his own sperm and have his blood running through their veins. jmo

[incidentally]

MJ is dead. That's who the congressman was talking about, not his family. No damages. jmo

No damages, yet but I'm of the mind, hardcore MJ fans and fansites will be digging into every corner of this Congressman's life. Then there is Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton. They're a force not to be reckoned with...:laugh:

[GentleBreeze]

Michael Jackson Memorial
Ticket Delay

MYFOXNY.COM - Michael Jackson fans hoping to snag a ticket for his memorial service Tuesday in Los Angeles will have to wait a day longer to learn if they're one of the lucky ones.

http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/national/090705_MichaeL_Jackson_Memorial_Ticket_Delay

Oh my goodness. This has got to be so nerve wracking for them all. It must be total chaos.

imo

[CeruleanBleu]

What hundreds of millions?

We only have 300 million people in this entire country. I haven't seen hundreds of millions agree with the Congressman. Where did you come up with the hundreds of millions information?:lol:

Are they a part of the 1.6 million people that registered hoping to get tickets to the MJ memorial?

imo

Why no, they are the hundreds of millions that did not register for the circus.

[magnolia]

You're flawed too. It's part of being human. BIG DEAL.


I agree, lol. Some people act like MJ was nearly perfect and if not, his poor choices are blamed on someone else.

[Mamie]

MJ is dead. That's who the congressman was talking about, not his family. No damages. jmo

I get what you're saying. I was responding to the poster who said you can't sue a dead person. Go back and read that from the poster. The Jackson's would be suing the congressman, not a dead person, and I'm not sure that they can't do that successfully. Bet their attorney atleast gets the guy to apologize publicly since he chose publicly to defame MJ. JMO

[warhorse46]

Oh thanks Warhorse. Learned something new. So in some cases the organs are placed back in the body/ LOL, I don't think I can open your link to see what happens, I'll take your word for it...Queazy stomach tonight. ...But thanks. :biggrin:



The article I linked too is just text & not very graphic. Well it was not to me but I am a nurse who has attended autopsies so I may not be the best one to compare too. Only in very rare special cases would an entire organ be saved. The organs are replaced to be disposed of with the body.

[Tokyo Rose]

No damages, yet but I'm of the mind, hardcore MJ fans and fansites will be digging into every corner of this Congressman's life. Then there is Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton. They're a force not to be reckoned with...:laugh:

Oh I don't know. This isn't a race card issue. He called him a pedophile.
They can be black or white. Hey "Black or White.":laugh:

[Mamie]

Opp I worded that wrong. A dead person can't sue. :ohmy: And the family can't sue for him. I don't think so anyway.

Okay, that's cool------you're aware of it!:smile:

[ahlou3]

Why can't the congressman use his right to freedom of speech? After all he has a right to an opinion. jmo

Yes he does -------- as a private citizen. As a congressman he should be taking care of his district.....he added nothing useful or important. He didn't tell us about all the dead in Europe and how we got there during the last eight years.....that is HIS job.... not MJ.

[ahlou3]

And I disagree with your assessment. He's the epitome of a great entertainer.

And.........there have been several posts that characterize MJ as a saint.
That's interesting - which poster and where is it stated?

[Mamie]

Gotta go have some dinner and watch Dexter reruns----heheh.

TTFN!

[CinderL.]

I get what you're saying. I was responding to the poster who said you can't sue a dead person. Go back and read that from the poster. The Jackson's would be suing the congressman, not a dead person, and I'm not sure that they can't do that successfully. Bet their attorney atleast gets the guy to apologize publicly since he chose publicly to defame MJ. JMO

I meant you can't sue for a dead person. :smile:

[GentleBreeze]

And he wanted Caucasian children too. So much so he didn't even use his own sperm, if he had any that is.

Why does that matter? Do you mean a person can only have children from the same race?

What about Madonna? Is all of her children white? What about all the children Roy and Dale Evans had. What about Jolee and Pitt?

MJ may have had medical conditions he thought may be passed onto his children or some that was in his family's medical history.

MJ did not see a color barrier. He saw a rainbow. He wanted to be a father to a child from every country in the world.

His children are absolutely beautiful and Blanket may be his for all I know but I don't think it matter one whit to MJ who remained their devoted father for 12, 11 and 7 years.

imo

[Tokyo Rose]

Yes he does -------- as a private citizen. As a congressman he should be taking care of his district.....he added nothing useful or important. He didn't tell us about all the dead in Europe and how we got there during the last eight years.....that is HIS job.... not MJ.

I thought he said any money spent on MJ should go to our troops instead.

[magnolia]

That's interesting - which poster and where is it stated?

Maybe you missed it because you have warm, fuzzy feeling towards MJ? Don't know. It's not that I despise him or even dislike him. I just can't get the red flags out of my mind. And then all the "gushing" just makes it worse.

I'm considering bringing some posts to your attention, but then I'm sure I'll get...she/he was just being positive, not comparing him to a saint at all.

I will add that there was a recent post just up a bit that seemed balanced and real - not idolizing.

[VC2]

I do not believe that they "keep the organs". In my father's case, sudden alchohol related death,they took samples of the brain, heart, kidney's, liver but replaced the organs before he was released to the family. He was buried whole.

They have no reason to keep the whole organ once slides have been extracted.

I can hear the stories now....Geraldo looks for MJ brain...

:laugh: i shouldn't laugh but i can just see it as well

[GentleBreeze]

That's way so many of them end up under indictment, resign or in jail.

I can sure see why. Now if he had been some average Joe then they may have let it slide but for a Congressman to say this knowing full well that MJ was cleared by the justice system is just as stupid as stupid gets imo. That is asking for trouble.

imo

[VC2]

Our pastor talked of that today - his was 'Michael was an icon that gave so much to so many - Michael did the moonwalk Jesus walked on water - Michael was a human like all of us he may have made mistakes Jesus was cruxified and had done no wrong.

wow...it says something about the world wide impact some one has when pastors are discussing him like that at services

[legalmania]

I hope the Jackson family takes Congressman King to the cleaners and he comes out naked.

Vote him out that's how we get rid of these politicians who have nothing better to do with their time than accuse people of something they may or may not have done. He should be running his mouth on how bad the economy is, and what he's going to do to fix it.

[CinderL.]

"However, if someone says something false about someone who has died, as reprehensible as that may be, in most states it is not considered defamatory. No legal action can be taken on behalf of a dead person. Only a living person can be defamed."

http://www.lawinfo.com/fuseaction/Client.lawarea/categoryid/1162

Thank you Athena, that is what I thought.

[Tokyo Rose]

Exactly what proof do you have that his children are white since the color of a bi-racial child is NOT?

IIRC DR said so. By the way, all you have to do is look at them. I've never seen any Jacksons with bright blue eyes. You know you can't bleach sperm. jmo

[GentleBreeze]

Again, excuses for MJ.:rolleyes:

What excuses?:confused:

I didn't realize MJ had to have an excuse to be a father to three beautiful children. He sure is the legally recognized father in the state of California. That is probably the reason he is leaving them 40% of his estate which they say can be over a billion. Yep that sounds just like a daddy to me.

Of course some of us could walk right up to his children and just ask them who their father was? I have no doubt who they would say, do you?:wink:

imo

[CeruleanBleu]

Again, you miss the total point of HUMANITY.

He wanted children to love and shower with the affection & attention that he, himself, missed as a child.

THAT, is the epitome of humanity, no matter what color children are.

I look forward to the day when his children write their books and tell everyone about their childhoods. It's not going to be pretty.:rolleyes:

[4Life]

I doubt he had any since he had his sperm dispenser removed during his quest to look just like Diana Ross.:biggrin:

Link Please

[Tokyo Rose]

Oh me thinks his days are certainly numbered -- he is in NY :ohmy:

Oh I doubt that. Too many people agree with him. jmo

[4Life]

I look forward to the day when his children write their books and tell everyone about their childhoods. It's not going to be pretty.:rolleyes:And how do you know that?

Did you live with them or are you just going by tabloids

[CeruleanBleu]

wow...it says something about the world wide impact some one has when pastors are discussing him like that at services
It says something all right, these pastors should have been
stand up comedians.

[incidentally]

We probably shouldn't be responding to people that seem to have a "disposable" nic.

[Tokyo Rose]

What excuses?:confused:

I didn't realize MJ had to have an excuse to be a father to three beautiful children. He sure is the legally recognized father in the state of California. That is probably the reason he is leaving them 40% of his estate which they say can be over a billion. Yep that sounds just like a daddy to me.

Of course some of us could walk right up to his children and just ask them who their father was? I have no doubt who they would say, do you?:wink:

imo

Why would we do that? They wouldn't know who the sperm donor was. jmo

Of course they are his children. We are talking the biological connection here.:rolleyes:

[incidentally]

Why would we do that? They wouldn't know who the sperm donor was. jmo

Of course they are his children. We are talking the biological connection here.:rolleyes:


Why are his children being discussed at all? They are innocent and should be completely off limits.

[Tokyo Rose]

You are wrong and I didn't say they were MJ's so his sperm is not an issue. I said you cannot tell from the color of skin that a child is bi-racial. My son is very fair with blue eyes and ashy blonde hair and my husband is AA. Debbie Rowe also NEVER SAID that her children were white.

So are you saying MJ used his own sperm or MJ got a black sperm donor?
We know he picked a white woman with blond hair, blue eyes, and freckles. He didn't pick a black woman. Why??

[ahlou3]

I thought he said any money spent on MJ should go to our troops instead.
Did he say that about any of the others that money was spent on? Did he contribute any money to the troops?

I think MJ all by himself has brought in may tax dollars by way of people coming from other states or counties into California and the US than he has ever done or will do..

[incidentally]

LOL -- ignore works very well. Unfortunately when the posts are quoted I can see them but its so nice to be able to not see some of them at least.

I allowed myself to be sucked in. Hopefully they'll go back to their regular nic soon. I'm going to put them on ignore too.

[Tokyo Rose]

People are breaking thier necks to get into that funeral. It certainy will be interesting to see which MJ doctors will not be in attendence. No doubt the family and LE know what drugs were in his system. The doctors have no idea what all the family knows by now. I would rather face 10 Jerry Browns than the brothers.......if you know what I mean.

I wouldn't want to face the sisters either. That nick of yours has me in stitches. I just start laughing everytime I see it.

[legalmania]

I'm going to personally make sure that Sharpton & Jesse Jackson are both made aware of Congressman King's statement.

There are more ways than one to hold King accountable and make his life miserable.

He put a big target on his back now because people will start investigating every little thing he does. He better put on his best suit and try and go to church a lot.

[Tokyo Rose]

Why are his children being discussed at all? They are innocent and should be completely off limits.

Really, I don't know. I was just answering GB.

[VC2]

Thanks for the video. Very nice. It was rumored MJ left something in the trust for three of his nephews. I think these are the ones. jmo

I think it makes sense even though the other nephews/nieces may feel left out. Sounds to me that he left it to them to help further a career in music that he paid for so dearly, and at least funds can make some choices possible especially after the murder of their mother.

[CinderL.]

Why are his children being discussed at all? They are innocent and should be completely off limits.

The only reason I will be discussing the children is about custody.

[legalmania]

You are wrong and I didn't say they were MJ's so his sperm is not an issue. I said you cannot tell from the color of skin that a child is bi-racial. My son is very fair with blue eyes and ashy blonde hair and my husband is AA. His eyes are between a blue-gray now and they darkened a bit as he got older. Debbie Rowe also NEVER SAID that her children were white.

The whole thing is Michael had a very difficult time with anyone who looked like his dad. He didn't want to look like his dad and he didn't want anyone around him who looked like his dad.

[VC2]

Not a bright move, Congressman Pete King. I'm sure you'll be hearing from the Jackson family's lawyers very soon. Possibly they'll accept a reasonable settlement, perhaps a half a million or so.

I sure hope his district is not in downtown NY.

IMO

[Tokyo Rose]

Since MJ didn't let the color of people influence the way he felt towards anyone - perhaps he wanted a bi-racial kid so they could share the best of both worlds. I find bi-racial people in general to be way less judgmental than others. Just for the record - his skin WAS NOT bleached. It has been documented enough that he has vitiligo. The process is called depigmentation not bleaching and is very, very common with people that have the disease. sheesh

His skin was not bleached????????? You really believe that? Have you ever seen someone with vitilago? Look it up sometime. You'd be surprised. jmo

[CeruleanBleu]

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I'm sure one day they will all write books..........probably have movies also. None of us know what really went on in the lives of these kids. I know MJ loved his kids. But how did they really grow up? I mean with the drug issue that always surrounded him. which brings me to another thing..................if i had drugs in my house, i would be arrested and brought to jail. his family knew of this.....why didnt any one of them report MJ for his own good. if he went to jail then so be it. maybe it would have saved him. for crying out loud......the jackson clan is all whacky and i hope they remove the kids from that enviroment. I would rather see DR take all 3 kids. this is just MOO

Absolutely, Debbie deserves to have HER children, Blanket too.
They will be much better off with her on her nice quiet horse farm. They need to get away from these money grubbing Jacksons ASAP.
They will never know what a normal life is like as long as they are surrounded by the Jacksons and their horrid life style.

[Tokyo Rose]

No -- YOU brought it up:

No, that was only in answer to MJ having plastic surgery to look white.

After that I was answering GB:rolleyes:

[incidentally]

The only reason I will be discussing the children is about custody.

Yes, myself as well. Those of us who are truly interested in this have a long road ahead of us. There are many things to discuss, as Coldwater said "the funeral, the custody, the will, the cause of death, etc etc."

Discussing the court case where MJ was exonerated and the children, outside of custody, is unnecessary and I feel intended to inflame. We, who posts on the MJ forum have kept it so civil. I can't wait until we can return there and continue debating without all the baiting and trashing.

[VC2]

Boy some people are just plain dumb and always letting their mouth overload their butt or wallet.

What is this guy drinking?

You are right, there goes another lawsuit.

imo

yep. make no mistake, the one's who continue to label him as such and are public figures are going to be hit with lawsuits by someone in the family. They are no longer dealing with Michael Jackson but his estate and heirs.

If for no other reason than to vociferously protect his name for his children's sake.

IMO

[KaraokeDiva]

You are wrong and I didn't say they were MJ's so his sperm is not an issue. I said you cannot tell from the color of skin that a child is bi-racial. My son is very fair with blue eyes and ashy blonde hair and my husband is AA. His eyes are between a blue-gray now and they darkened a bit as he got older. Debbie Rowe also NEVER SAID that her children were white.I am absolutely not an MJ fan...but I must agree with you.

My granddaughter is bi-racial. Her daddy appears to be very AA. Her mama (my stepdaughter) is caucasian. Granddaughter is blonde with curly locks, a devilish grin and blue eyes. :)

[legalmania]

My bestest girlfriend in the whole world has it which is why I KNOW this and it causes severe loss of self-esteem.
Perhaps you should "look it up" and educate yourself - I think you'd be the one that is surprised. :rolleyes:

A determatologist usually recommends that you either lighten or darken your skin and it depends on which is more prominent.


Depigmentation—this treatment involves fading the rest of the skin on the body to match the areas that are already white. For people who have vitiligo on more than 50 percent of their bodies, depigmentation may be the best treatment option. Patients apply the drug monobenzylether of hydroquinone (monobenzone or Benoquin*) twice a day to pigmented areas until they match the already-depigmented areas. You must avoid direct skin-to-skin contact with other people for at least 2 hours after applying the drug, as transfer of the drug may cause depigmentation of the other person's skin. The major side effect of depigmentation therapy is inflammation (redness and swelling) of the skin. You may experience itching or dry skin. Depigmentation tends to be permanent and is not easily reversed. In addition, a person who undergoes depigmentation will always be unusually sensitive to sunlight.

http://www.medicinenet.com/vitiligo/page4.htm#tocl

He was one of the lucky ones you couldn't see it on his face some people have it on their face and arms, I felt so bad for some of them, because I know people would stare.

[CinderL.]

Yes, myself as well. Those of us who are truly interested in this have a long road ahead of us. There are many things to discuss, as Coldwater said "the funeral, the custody, the will, the cause of death, etc etc."

Discussing the court case where MJ was exonerated and the children, outside of custody, is unnecessary and I feel intended to inflame. We, who posts on the MJ forum have kept it so civil. I can't wait until we can return there and continue debating without all the baiting and trashing.

I would love to get back there too.

How are all of these people coming from out of the country (if they are) going to do this if they are only telling people tomorrow if they have a ticket?

[ahlou3]

wow...it says something about the world wide impact some one has when pastors are discussing him like that at services
You know VC2, I only said that thinking of the world wide impact. My pastor in no way they were equal only tried to let the children know JC had a bigger impact on the world. We thought it was a nice way of reaching the youth. I don't know or see what is wrong when the church reach out to youth with something they can see now vs when JC was on earth... I must be missing something.

[incidentally]

I sure hope his district is not in downtown NY.

IMO
Long Island, I believe. I've sent a few emails out to individuals that might be able to find out a bit more about this man. I understand he plans on running against Hillary in 2010.

It is a sad day when a representative of our government, a congressman, uses his title to bash another but I'm finding out this seems to be SOP for this man.

He may not like MJ but he didn't have to slam him. He might as well have just spit in the faces of MJ's fans.

[KaraokeDiva]

<snipped> Just for the record - his skin WAS NOT bleached. It has been documented enough that he has vitiligo. The process is called depigmentation not bleaching and is very, very common with people that have the disease. sheeshAnd I must respectfully (and vehemently) disagree with this portion of your post.

I do believe MJ tried to rid himself of any trace of AA features or skin color

[4Life]

His skin was not bleached????????? You really believe that? Have you ever seen someone with vitilago? Look it up sometime. You'd be surprised. jmoYes I do know someone with it, skin looks just like MJs did

[legalmania]

Actually I do believe it spread to MJs face and he uses lots of makeup too! In the beginning if you look at him about the time he recorded Thriller -- he wore a lot of makeup I suspect (just knowing what my girlfriend went through) to make the lighter areas darker but when the lighter areas becomes dominant -- he had no choice but to do the depigmentation.

Well I'm gonna dedicate this to Michael because I think he really meant these words.

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Now playing: Michael Jackson - Black or White (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/michael_jackson/track/black_or_white)
via FoxyTunes (http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/)

[flipflop]

Yes I do know someone with it, skin looks just like MJs did

So did my boyfriend. He went the way of darkening his skin. I know I have pictures of when we were dating. If I can find them I will learn how to post a link to them showing what it looked like before and after. We have remained close. Of course I would block out his face so you cannot recognize him.

[achristie]

I bolded to address...First, Of course he was mortal..as is 100% of everybody on earth ( if your religion allows that)..Second..Stuggles..YEP..but he had the money, power and influence to GET HEL..unlike the reast of us mere mortals..LAST..Dont believe we mourn because he had frailties...but because he failed himself and succumbed to his weaknesses...and those around him..getting their "Lot" are somewhat culpible for enabling his pursuit of avoidance of whatever he wanted to avoid..Be it pressure..be it responsibility..be it being able to "SHINE" like he wished...

I really dont think mourning is the right term..It simply is for most a sense of "Sorrow" for he lost his soul.. even tho he had support/knowledge/MONEY..but failed to use it for his own BETTERMENT...

MJ..just could not deal with whatever pressures were on him..and sought outside (abberrant) help..and it will likely be proved to be his demise..Sad, but ture I am afraid!

I dont so much mourn his death..but mourn his "Poor Choice's" and left his fans wanting more of his musical genious..MJ truly did march to a different drummer..!!

Yes. He had money, power, and influence, I agree. Perhaps that is why he survived for 50 years.

I misspoke. I should have said this is why I mourn.

You say you have sorrow as he has lost his soul . How do you know that?

[4Life]

Actually I do believe it spread to MJs face and he uses lots of makeup too! In the beginning if you look at him about the time he recorded Thriller -- he wore a lot of makeup I suspect (just knowing what my girlfriend went through) to make the lighter areas darker but when the lighter areas becomes dominant -- he had no choice but to do the depigmentation.

Exactly, and that is what my friend did

[KaraokeDiva]

I absolutely believe MJ did plastic surgery on his nose because it was his father's and he got teased about it. I believe every time he looked in the mirror all he saw was that "big nose" even as it got thinner and thinner. It's like an anorexic who looks in the mirror and sees themselves as fat.

Read my post above re: my girlfriend which is how I learned about the depigmentation process. I do not believe for one second it is because he "chose" to be white. He had no choice.

Hopefully we can just disagree on this topic because I belive MJ tried to rid himself of every trace of color.

It doesn't diminish his talent...but I do believe MJ grew up hating the "black" part of his heritage.

[GentleBreeze]

Yes I do know someone with it, skin looks just like MJs did

I have seen 3 or 4 people with this same condition over the years.

imo

[ahlou3]

Absolutely, Debbie deserves to have HER children, Blanket too.
They will be much better off with her on her nice quiet horse farm. They need to get away from these money grubbing Jacksons ASAP.
They will never know what a normal life is like as long as they are surrounded by the Jacksons and their horrid life style.
Intresting DR is better.

Now where did money come from in the first place...did you say Jackson...good. What did DR ever do for any of the kids including her said to be on.

Provide a link to 'these money grubbing Jacksons'...and all else you said after that....including DR is better at.

[4Life]

Absolutely, Debbie deserves to have HER children, Blanket too.
. Really? She sold them!!

[CinderL.]

Intresting DR is better.

Now where did money come from in the first place...did you say Jackson...good. What did DR ever do for any of the kids including her said to be on.

Provide a link to 'these money grubbing Jacksons'...and all else you said after that....including DR is better at.

I think DR is in negotiations again, as we speak. I don't think she wants the kids.

[incidentally]

Hopefully we can just disagree on this topic because I belive MJ tried to rid himself of every trace of color.

It doesn't diminish his talent...but I do believe MJ grew up hating the "black" part of his heritage.

There are links to better pictures on the MJ forum but I can't find them at the moment.

Here is a collage of some that lead me to believe he indeed suffered from this disorder. The pictures on the forum made it a lot clearer.

http://media.photobucket.com/image/michael%20jackson%20vitiligo%20pictures/sabbaghsel/mj/stuff/vitiligo.jpg

[GentleBreeze]

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None of us know for sure if MJ did have vitilago. His doctors could have been paid big bucks to say he had it. And we all know that MJ could and would persuade anyone to say or do anything that he wanted. I'm not saying MJ didn't have vitilago......we will never know for sure. But one thing is for sure.........money talks. jmo

From the photos I have seen he sure did have it.

It is a very horrible disease and those who have it suffer from self esteem problems.

There is nothing to prove that MJ wanted to be white. Why would he want to be white? He was known as black and had crossed all race barriers. It makes no sense.

It is much more logical that he had vitlago and it follows suit that he always walked under an umbrella because of the skin sensitivity to the sun.

Unless MJ came out and spoke from his own mouth that he wanted to be white then "thinking" he wanted to be white is just that. Another person's thoughts and has nothing to do with how MJ thought.

His idol was James Brown and he wanted to be white?:confused: I don't think so.:smile:

imo

[4Life]

There are links to better pictures on the MJ forum but I can't find them at the moment.

Here is a collage of some that lead me to believe he indeed suffered from this disorder. The pictures on the forum made it a lot clearer.

http://media.photobucket.com/image/michael%20jackson%20vitiligo%20pictures/sabbaghsel/mj/stuff/vitiligo.jpg

Thank you tally

[legalmania]

Hi Legal. Good point. You know I think it may have also been driven by his career. He wanted to keep up with the MTV generation. He transformed himself so much so that I did not even know he was black in many of his videos. We certainly have a whole ton of celebrities and other people getting plastic surgery to help their careers.

And I could be wrong, but to me, Oprah sure does look darker in earlier clips.

I know we're not suppose to go o/t but President Obama said he saw an ad about if you wanted be be successful lighten your skin, he was only about 13 and said that's when he decided to change his lifestyle.

[CinderL.]

There are links to better pictures on the MJ forum but I can't find them at the moment.

Here is a collage of some that lead me to believe he indeed suffered from this disorder. The pictures on the forum made it a lot clearer.

http://media.photobucket.com/image/michael%20jackson%20vitiligo%20pictures/sabbaghsel/mj/stuff/vitiligo.jpg

My sister-in-law has it bad. Fortunately it hasn't gotten on her face. Her hands are very bad.

[GentleBreeze]

There are links to better pictures on the MJ forum but I can't find them at the moment.

Here is a collage of some that lead me to believe he indeed suffered from this disorder. The pictures on the forum made it a lot clearer.

http://media.photobucket.com/image/michael%20jackson%20vitiligo%20pictures/sabbaghsel/mj/stuff/vitiligo.jpg

Weren't they on the Getty Images site? I cant remember either exactly but they were very clear pictures that showed he had it.

That had to be devastating from him to deal with.

imo

[ahlou3]

No, you're missing nothing.

If there was ONE thing that MJ was all about and expressed in his music, dance, generosity, compassion for others and basically the way that he lived his adult life, he was ALL ABOUT UNCONDITIONAL LOVE.

You have gotten the message ahlou, and MJ's lessons that he taught on this earth were taken my millions and millions of people who are all the better for it.

Thank you Sapoemtoa, ALL ABOUT UNCONDITIONAL LOVE!!!!!

I for one want to keep the message.

[ahlou3]

Really? She sold them!!
yep, like one would do with horses and dog, imo.
dogs.

[CinderL.]

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Not trying to be rude but can u tell me what lessons MJ taught?



If he was all about unconditional love, then why did he have to pick and chose who the parents of his kids would be? Why not have the kids in a normal way and be grateful for what God gives u. jmo

The lessons part is what I am not getting either. I think he was a great entertainer, I love his music, and his talent as a dancer. As for lessons? I think he was a troubled man, obviously. I wouldn't want my kids learning any lessons from him. And, I am talking about his drug abuse, not anything else. As far as being a great humanitarian, he had the money, he should give. Most wealthy people give tons of money to charities, and set up foundations. It also helps with their taxes, which doesn't diminish the giving. I just am not getting the adulation.

[4Life]

I see the baiters are in full force today

[incidentally]

Weren't they on the Getty Images site? I cant remember either exactly but they were very clear pictures that showed he had it.

That had to be devastating from him to deal with.

imo

I don't remember right now, GentleBreeze. But the pictures were very clear.

I know this is a wiki answer but again, on the regular forum, links were posted as to why Michael wore tape on his fingers. This sums up fairly well what those links said:

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_did_Michael_Jackson_wear_tape_on_his_fingers

[legalmania]

yep, like one would do with horses and dog, imo.

She did it because she loved Michael and she wanted him to have something he couldn't do himself. Of course he paid, but it was a contract. She was happy and so was he.

[GentleBreeze]

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Not trying to be rude but can u tell me what lessons MJ taught?



If he was all about unconditional love, then why did he have to pick and chose who the parents of his kids would be? Why not have the kids in a normal way and be grateful for what God gives u. jmo

So people who have children but not in the "normal" biological way are inferior parents?

Unconditional love means he knew he could love his children even if they did not have the same bloodline just like countless of other parents do.

It is much more conditional if a parent thinks they can only love their own biological child. Love comes from the heart not the blood flowing through the veins. Blood is just blood. We see it all the time where bio mothers and fathers have no attachment or love for the child they either brutally abuse or murder.



imo

[KaraokeDiva]

Unless MJ came out and spoke from his own mouth that he wanted to be white then "thinking" he wanted to be white is just that. Another person's thoughts and has nothing to do with how MJ thought.



imo:rolleyes:

I guess we should all just shut up then...our thoughts and opinions are meaningless.

[CinderL.]

Weren't they on the Getty Images site? I cant remember either exactly but they were very clear pictures that showed he had it.

That had to be devastating from him to deal with.

imo

Gentle, thousands of people have to deal with devastating disfigurements, and don't have the money to do anything about it. There are also thousands of people that have been abused and beaten, but, they go on with their lives, and don't abuse drugs. Why does MJ get a pass and everyone justifies whatever he did just because he made music? I really don't get it.

[Tokyo Rose]

From the photos I have seen he sure did have it.

It is a very horrible disease and those who have it suffer from self esteem problems.

There is nothing to prove that MJ wanted to be white. Why would he want to be white? He was known as black and had crossed all race barriers. It makes no sense.

It is much more logical that he had vitlago and it follows suit that he always walked under an umbrella because of the skin sensitivity to the sun.

Unless MJ came out and spoke from his own mouth that he wanted to be white then "thinking" he wanted to be white is just that. Another person's thoughts and has nothing to do with how MJ thought.

His idol was James Brown and he wanted to be white?:confused: I don't think so.:smile:

imo

There is nothing to prove he had vitilago. As a matter of fact, if he did, I don't believe he could have had so much plastic surgery on his skin. imo

[4Life]

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Maybe the truth hit a nerve with u?

Can you supply a link to your "truth"?

[legalmania]

The lessons part is what I am not getting either. I think he was a great entertainer, I love his music, and his talent as a dancer. As for lessons? I think he was a troubled man, obviously. I wouldn't want my kids learning any lessons from him. And, I am talking about his drug abuse, not anything else. As far as being a great humanitarian, he had the money, he should give. Most wealthy people give tons of money to charities, and set up foundations. It also helps with their taxes, which doesn't diminish the giving. I just am not getting the adulation.

The man was in pain that's why he used medications. Tiger Woods needed a hip replacement by just playing gulf. I teach my kids that if they don't take care of their bodies now they will probably end up on a whole lot of medications by the time they're in their forties. Look at Rush Limbaugh he was doing the same thing, but he wasn't a big star so people just let it slide.

[4Life]

So people who have children but not in the "normal" biological way are inferior parents?

Unconditional love means he knew he could love his children even if they did not have the same bloodline just like countless of other parents do.

It is much more conditional if a parent thinks they can only love their own biological child. Love comes from the heart not the blood flowing through the veins. Blood is just blood. We see it all the time where bio mothers and fathers have no attachment or love for the child they either brutally abuse or murder.



imo

Excellent post

[4Life]

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Trash the kids? I am stating a fact. Ignore me all u want.

And she stated a fact to you.

[4Life]

Don Lemon, HLN, reporting that people are receiving emails about their tickets and some have already placed them on e-bay.

Buy it Now $8,000.00 :ohmy:

I saw some of those on ebay

[KaraokeDiva]

I know we're not suppose to go o/t but President Obama said he saw an ad about if you wanted be be successful lighten your skin, he was only about 13 and said that's when he decided to change his lifestyle.
:confused::confused::confused:

[4Life]

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As soon as u can provide a link that tells us what the lessons r that MJ taught us. I notice that u didnt answer that.

The answer has been given to you many times already, so there is no need for me to repeat the same answer others already gave you.

[4Life]

Re Read her reply to you, the answer you seek is right there in BLACK AND WHITE

[CinderL.]

I saw some of those on ebay

I just looked and saw two that had the code. One is a bidding thing, and it is up to $420. and the other one is buy it now for $300 something.

[legalmania]

Don Lemon, HLN, reporting that people are receiving emails about their tickets and some have already placed them on e-bay.

Buy it Now $8,000.00 :ohmy:

Well this is a chance in a lifetime it's a shame some people think money is more important than an experience like this. You can't buy this opportunity. The money will only last a short time compared to the experience that will last a lifetime.

[KaraokeDiva]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/07/05/jackson.memorial/index.html

LOS ANGELES, California (CNN) -- The first official indication that a family service for Michael Jackson will be held at Forest Lawn Cemetery came from a Los Angeles police official Sunday.


And with this link I will say good night!

[CinderL.]

Well this is a chance in a lifetime it's a shame some people think money is more important than an experience like this. You can't buy this opportunity. The money will only last a short time compared to the experience that will last a lifetime.

But, think of the thousands of people who signed up for this lottery that knew they wouldn't be able to go.

[CinderL.]

I think you are correct. I just hope she was sincere in her wishes to keep Joe away from those kids. She definatly has some leverage. Hope she uses it against Joe. I would not be suprised if the judge orders him away from them tommarrow in court.

I am so glad Joe made those statements at the BET Awards, and even gladder he lied the day after to try and cover them up. Sounds like he got some flack from the family. His true colors have shown. Hope his label sinks. I am also glad that MJ thought to state in his will that if Katherine dies the money goes back to the trust. That way if Joe outlives her, he will get not a dime.

I agree with all of your post. :smile:

[CeruleanBleu]

Really? She sold them!!

She did not sell them! She was forced to give them up to some loon that only used her for her child bearing capabilities. She was threatened and was not even allowed to keep her own children's pictures in her own house.
Then he took them out of the country depriving her of the visitation rights that the courts had granted her.

[legalmania]

But, think of the thousands of people who signed up for this lottery that knew they wouldn't be able to go.

I was just talking about the ones who got the tickets, I just don't understand selling them.

[incidentally]

I just looked and saw two that had the code. One is a bidding thing, and it is up to $420. and the other one is buy it now for $300 something.

Is this legal? If it isn't shouldn't Ebay put a stop to it.

[4Life]

She did not sell them! She was forced to give them up to some loon that only used her for her child bearing capabilities. She was threatened and was not even allowed to keep her own children's pictures in her own house.
Then he took them out of the country depriving her of the visitation rights that the courts had granted her.

Forced? Threatened? Please give us a link to those two items. LOL LOL LOL, she could have said NO!!!
She sold them, all she wanted was the money 2x and now she is probably going for a 3rd pay out

[Tokyo Rose]

Well this is a chance in a lifetime it's a shame some people think money is more important than an experience like this. You can't buy this opportunity. The money will only last a short time compared to the experience that will last a lifetime.


I wouldn't pay 2 cents for a ticket.

[VC2]

I bolded to address...First, Of course he was mortal..as is 100% of everybody on earth ( if your religion allows that)..Second..Stuggles..YEP..but he had the money, power and influence to GET HEL..unlike the reast of us mere mortals..LAST..Dont believe we mourn because he had frailties...but because he failed himself and succumbed to his weaknesses...and those around him..getting their "Lot" are somewhat culpible for enabling his pursuit of avoidance of whatever he wanted to avoid..Be it pressure..be it responsibility..be it being able to "SHINE" like he wished...

I really dont think mourning is the right term..It simply is for most a sense of "Sorrow" for he lost his soul.. even tho he had support/knowledge/MONEY..but failed to use it for his own BETTERMENT...

MJ..just could not deal with whatever pressures were on him..and sought outside (abberrant) help..and it will likely be proved to be his demise..Sad, but ture I am afraid!

I dont so much mourn his death..but mourn his "Poor Choice's" and left his fans wanting more of his musical genious..MJ truly did march to a different drummer..!!

Lynda.. i don't agree with your opinion of MJ necessarily but i must say that you have never been mean with your comments.

IMO money doesn't make it any easier for someone to face an addiction or get help for it. Neither does education. At times it may make it harder because "hitting bottom" never quite comes.

Money and power does not make someone with deep seated psychological problems get cured or even treatment either. In some ways it hinders it because joe blow can go to therapy and no one knows, while someone in power with money like MJ has their life exposed by the tabloids. Let alone that neither money or power make someone realize that they need help.

MJ... is unique as far as i know. He had money and fame that 99.9% including famous entertainers would give their souls for but he had pressures both psychological and familial throughout his life that most people would give their souls not to have. His self image problems, his need for love, his genius and his ability to love and empathize with others in pain (yes mostly children but not all) and want to fix the world were what made him march to a different drummer.

Yet who are we to fault him for not being perfect or able to over come his problems. None of us can say we would always face addictions or self esteem issues boldly..and those of us who have never found it easy.

Both self esteem and addiction leads to bad choices but its the nature of the disease. I always think of a schizophrenic as an example we can all understand. If someone gave you a pill that you were convinced contained radioactive poison would you take it? of course not.!!! Which is why people with schizophrenia often go off their medications and it makes perfect sense...from their point of view. Ours as well. Other psychiatric issues are no less convincing to the sufferer, they just don't manifest as obviously with cause and effect. Still a disease and not a choice. Or at least if its a choice its an example of the disease

IMO

[CinderL.]

I was just talking about the ones who got the tickets, I just don't understand selling them. No, that is what I am saying, they signed up knowing they couldn't go but won a ticket. Are you saying they should keep them? If I had won, I would give them away, but what about the people who live out of the country?

It really would have been nice if only people who wanted or could go would have signed up.

[legalmania]

Is this legal? If it isn't shouldn't Ebay put a stop to it.

Unless the tickets were not redeemable, they can sell them.

[CeruleanBleu]

I was just talking about the ones who got the tickets, I just don't understand selling them.

If you get something for free and have a chance to make 5 or 10 grand selling it, what's the problem? All the more power to them!:thumbsup::thumbsup:

[CinderL.]

Is this legal? If it isn't shouldn't Ebay put a stop to it.

I have no idea. :shrug:

[CinderL.]

Forced? Threatened? Please give us a link to those two items. LOL LOL LOL, she could have said NO!!!
She sold them, all she wanted was the money 2x and now she is probably going for a 3rd pay out This might even be x4.

[CeruleanBleu]

I wouldn't pay 2 cents for a ticket.

It will probably be big mouth Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson screaming that they are so mad that nobody's saying nice things about Michael! Just like they have done on TV. Who would pay to listen to that?:laugh:

[CinderL.]

I wouldn't pay 2 cents for a ticket.

I wouldn't either. I'm trying to figure out how to get my husband out of LA Tuesday. :scared:

[CinderL.]

Besides that, I thought the tickets were non-transferable. They would only be good for the people who got them honestly. The only thing I can think of is if the buyer wants to hold on to them as souvenirs. I guess we will just have to see how many empty seats there are. I think all they need is the code, then that person can go down to Dodger Statium and pic them up. I think.

[legalmania]

No, that is what I am saying, they signed up knowing they couldn't go but won a ticket. Are you saying they should keep them? If I had won, I would give them away, but what about the people who live out of the country?

It really would have been nice if only people who wanted or could go would have signed up.

I would go, first of all I wouldn't have done it like this. I would have done it the same way they did JKF or Elvis's funeral if you were there you were there, if not watch it on t.v. There should be no tickets at all. Just bring a camera. if you want to go.

[incidentally]

Unless the tickets were not redeemable, they can sell them.

What if they say, non-transferable?

[VC2]

I do too, Poochie----it's been over a week and I still cannot really believe it. Part of me does but then I stop and think that it just can't be.

I can't believe how much it affected me. I essentially forgot about him after the trial apart from the bits in the news. Same thing happened with the trial though, people on this thread won't believe me when i say i didn't have an interest in it at first :laugh:but the archives should show i didn't get involved until shortly before the prosecution rested. I think i wondered in one day the first month and made a thread asking what happened to IUPG and then disappeared again, posting on other forums which really interested me but the media reports on ctv didn't even match Linda Deutsch's of AP so i got interested at why.

Everything i learned told me he was a special person, and whether we like his music or not, few will deny his mark on the history of dance and music. It truly is unbelievable that someone who had such an impact on the world is dead. I remember where i was when elvis died even though i was very young, partly because of the shock of my parents. We were in the car going to a family vacation. I had no idea of who/impact/meaning/stardom for the world at the time. Now i understand the grief those who were older than i was felt.

IMO

[CeruleanBleu]

Forced? Threatened? Please give us a link to those two items. LOL LOL LOL, she could have said NO!!!
She sold them, all she wanted was the money 2x and now she is probably going for a 3rd pay out

You will see what really happened when the truth comes out.

[CinderL.]

The sites are being turned in and deleted as they are being reported.

I don't know why...if someone wants to go so badly that they are willing to pay for a ticket that someone else won't be using, I don't see a problem. Better than an empty seat.

[incidentally]

The sites are being turned in and deleted as they are being reported.

Thanks Sapientia. I would think Ebay would have some sort of program that could alert them to the words Michael Jackson Memorial tickets or any combination of words that would indicate they are being sold on the site.

It will be terribly sad if most of the tickets bought were by people trying to make money. Those that really wanted to be there won't be able to and the seats may not even come close to being filled.

[VC2]

It's pretty obvious he bleached he skin WHITE. I wonder if that hurt much? Also he wanted white kids. He would rather have white kids than use his own sperm and have his blood running through their veins. jmo

yes it IS OBVIOUS. Depigmentation is a treatment the Mayo Clinic and others offer for severe Vitiligo.

IF you believe the allegations against MJ and iirc you mentioned the question of JC "describing his spotted penis" then you MUST believe he had vitiligo

So what would you do with a disfiguring disease like vitiligo covering your body?

imo

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Yes. He had money, power, and influence, I agree. Perhaps that is why he survived for 50 years.

I misspoke. I should have said this is why I mourn.

You say you have sorrow as he has lost his soul . How do you know that?

Of course I dont KNOW that..as that is between him and his maker..however..I believe he cared more about acceptance by "Fans" than he really did about himself..I cant help but think He had absolutely lacked SELF WORTH...I say that because he required so much reassurances...which he got..and just never believed it for himself...He really lacked personal identity ( Outside off King of Pop)..I dont believe he accepted he was a grownup..with responsibilities..and I also believe he (child-like) did what whatever he wished for instant gratifications..and had no idea about "Sensibility"..MJ just never was able to conform to regular lifestyle..care for himself..care and try and fix his ailments...

MJ..was 50 years old..not a 20 year old with aspirations for the future and never realized or got acknowledged for his talent...So I just can't Excuse what he did or didnt do..nor to blame his parents..or his promotors for his excesses..He, in my mind made decisions against better advice from those close to him (as he just dumped them/ignored them)..So Unfortunately, he died because he didnt follow the advice from thosed that really cared...and allowed or nutured those that fed his addiction to drugs..or sleep..whatever makes you happy to believe..

His Soul..is somewhere..just not sure he had a grasp of it..otherwise, he would have not tempted fate like he did, and likely did many times before it caught up with him...

LMS

[CinderL.]

The moral fiber of our society SHOULD be ALL of our business.

Even yours.

Think about the poor girl that lost her job to be from Spain. She might want a ticket.

[incidentally]

I can't believe how much it affected me.

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I'm think I'm more surprised with my reaction then you are with yours. I didn't even bother following the trial except for bits and pieces of news I heard on the television or read online. I was shocked when he was found not guilty and I can't even tell you why. I suppose it was because, at the time, I was still of the naive belief that malicious prosecution didn't exist and defense attorneys were bottom feeders.

I have learned differently over the last few years and I can assure you if I am ever charged for anything I will NOT speak to anyone without having representation.

It is only since Michael's death that I have spent dozens and dozens of hours going over everything. At this point I don't know what the truth is. I do believe MJ was set up in the trial and I don't believe that child was molested. I don't believe the housekeepers child was molested. But I can't say with certainty that he is completely innocent of untoward acts with children.

Added: What I didn't realize was how profoundly his songs and presence affected my life.

[VC2]

GB -- I know many disagree with me -- but from day one I thought they should have put a public memorial off until later so they could organize it and include many, many more fans. This was just too sudden and unorganized. JMO

funnily enough, even though i don't think the memorial should have waited any longer (more than a week is long enough), in some ways if SBPD and sneddon's people hadn't put the skids on it (lapd had already planned their escort as per news and a spokesman), the Neverland idea right after the autopsy would have been far more sensible. Yes a traffic nightmare but it would have been first come first serve -no other choice - staging areas and something he would have loved. This gave far more time for thousands upon thousands of fans to fly in, a mess of a lottery and cops won't allow the big screen tv.
PLUS imo if they can't get in near the memorial, they will all end up at never land anyway!!!!!! I know if i was on the flight to LA and didn't win the lottery i would head to Neverland, the other place to be "closest" to him, with a lap top. If they are smart they will put a tv outside the gates or the poor reporters are going to be bombarded

Same traffic night mare but without the control

IMO

[CeruleanBleu]

I reported it as proibited items

Good for you! I hope you will be happy on Tuesday when the Staples Center will be half empty. At least if a person paid a huge amount for the ticket they might actually show up for the circus.

[VC2]

I think there is one thing that should be off limits. It is almost..no imo it is.. racist to say he only wanted white children, his children are not his because they are white, he wanted to be white so would have rejected a black or mixed child etc etc. ESPECIALLY WITH NO EVIDENCE.

It is horrifying. You are talking about little children. It sounds like back in the 50's when one race was not meant to have children with another or if they did they were rejecting their heritage. B.S.

cant we at least agree that those sort of comments are way beyond the pale? His children are lovely gorgeous boys and girls, whatever color or race or where their dna comes from. It is insulting not MJ but them to suggest his father cared what color they were especially without one scintilla of evidence unless you count totally erroneous ideas of what mixed children must looked like

IMO

eta if you dont care about insulting MJ or his kids, how about some compassion for those here who have mixed kids or may have adopted white children if black and black children if white? You are insulting them as well. Let alone those with mixed race children who are very white in color.

IMO

[AlohaRainbow]

I would love to get back there too.

How are all of these people coming from out of the country (if they are) going to do this if they are only telling people tomorrow if they have a ticket?

acording to this AP article posted on fox, winners are already being notified.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,530089,00.html

[CinderL.]

acording to this AP article posted on fox, winners are already being notified.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,530089,00.html

Yes, thanks. I am seeing this now. :smile:

[legalmania]

Good for you! I hope you will be happy on Tuesday when the Staples Center will be half empty. At least if a person paid a huge amount for the ticket they might actually show up for the circus.

There is no way that the center will be near empty. As a matter of fact they will be turning people away. Michael this is for you.

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Now playing: Michael Jackson - Wanna Be Starting Something (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/michael_jackson/track/wanna_be_starting_something)
via FoxyTunes (http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/)

[CinderL.]

There is no way that the center will be near empty. As a matter of fact they will be turning people away. Michael this is for you.

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Now playing: Michael Jackson - Wanna Be Starting Something (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/michael_jackson/track/wanna_be_starting_something)
via FoxyTunes (http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/)

How can it be full if the people with the tickets don't go? They aren't supposed to be letting anyone near the Staples Center without a ticket. :confused:

Unless they didn't randomly pick the ticket people, you have people from all around the world that signed up for these tickets. Most of the 1 million plus people had no intention of going.

[CinderL.]

That's okay, let all of these Einsteins keep reporting the ebay auctions. The Staples center will be empty.:w00t:

This was my edit from my other post.

Unless they didn't randomly pick the ticket people, you have people from all around the world that signed up for these tickets. Most of the 1 million plus people had no intention of going.

In addition......Just doesn't make sense to me. Let people go if they want to go. Craig's list has a bunch too. Or people begging for a ticket.

[legalmania]

How can it be full if the people with the tickets don't go? They aren't supposed to be letting anyone near the Staples Center without a ticket. :confused:

Unless they didn't randomly pick the ticket people, you have people from all around the world that signed up for these tickets. Most of the 1 million plus people had no intention of going.

Do you really think the only people who will show up there are people with tickets? The people with tickets will probably be stuck in traffic.