Michael Jackson Part 3

[flipflop]

Legal, they can't get near the Staples Center without a ticket. There will be thousands of "fans" in LA, but not in that area.


Fans must have both the ticket and the wristband to enter Staples Center on Tuesday. Wristbands that have been ripped, taped or tampered with will be voided.

But winners were permitted to give anyone their second bracelet, so "theoretically, the second wrist band can be sold," Roth said.



ETA link http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,530089,00.html

[legalmania]

Legal, they can't get near the Staples Center without a ticket. There will be thousands of "fans" in LA, but not in that area.

I don't know anything about LA. but I do know they couldn't even control the crowd after the basketball game. You're not talking about people from just LA you're talking about people from around the world, they all plan on getting in one way or another.

[annalyzer]

Did anyone here sign up for the tickets? Did you have to put your location in the form?


Do the tickets have to be picked up somewhere or do they mail them out?

[CinderL.]

Fans must have both the ticket and the wristband to enter Staples Center on Tuesday. Wristbands that have been ripped, taped or tampered with will be voided.

But winners were permitted to give anyone their second bracelet, so "theoretically, the second wrist band can be sold," Roth said.



ETA link http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,530089,00.html
Yes, no one without the wrist band will be allowed near the area.
I just don't see a problem with selling or giving away the tickets if the person who won can't go. If someone wants to pay the asking price, who cares?:shrug:

[CinderL.]

Do the tickets have to be picked up somewhere or do they mail them out?

I heard Dodger Stadium, tomorrow.

[CinderL.]

I don't know anything about LA. but I do know they couldn't even control the crowd after the basketball game. You're not talking about people from just LA you're talking about people from around the world, they all plan on getting in one way or another.

They are blocking off the streets, so unless they storm the place, they are not getting near.

[VC2]

He was one of the lucky ones you couldn't see it on his face some people have it on their face and arms, I felt so bad for some of them, because I know people would stare.

oh i disagree there. I think it did spread to the face and that is why there was such heavy make up (or at a minimum to the neck). He used make up to cover it until the depigmentation worked which takes repeated applications. The face, hands, neck and feet are the most common first areas to be affected. then it progresses

[4Life]

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Its not baiting. I asked and i have not received an answer.
Sounds more like u r the baiter.Answer given to you at least 3xs, re read the thread

[norwood]

They are blocking off the streets, so unless they storm the place, they are not getting near.

I hate to say this but I do wonder how many people are going to be arrested or injured because of the frenzy everyone will be in.

[CinderL.]

I hate to say this but I do wonder how many people are going to be arrested or injured because of the frenzy everyone will be in. I think it is going to be a mess.

Unless it is more hype by the media than is really true, about the estimated crowds, people flying in from all over. That is my hope, that they over estimated all of this.

[norwood]

I think it is going to be a mess.

I agree. I fear many will be overcome with emotion. Don't know what the heat is like there but that could be a factor also. If people get to pushing and shoving no telling what could happen

[legalmania]

They are blocking off the streets, so unless they storm the place, they are not getting near.

They can block off all the streets they want people will leave their cars and walk. I just googled earth and whoever planned this must be a really bad event planner.

[4Life]

Do the tickets have to be picked up somewhere or do they mail them out?This is the letter you get if you win



Your application to attend the Michael Jackson Public Memorial Service at STAPLES Center this Tuesday, July 7, 2009 at 10:00 a.m. Pacific Time, was successful!
Please read this notice carefully. This is your chance to receive two tickets for either the service in the STAPLES Center (subject to availability) or a live big-screen simulcast in the adjacent Nokia Theatre L.A. LIVE.

Instructions To Obtain Your Two Tickets and Security Wristbands Are:


Click on the GET VOUCHER button below before Sunday, July 5, 2009 at 11:59 p.m. Pacific Time.
Select 1 in the quantity window.
Enter your unique password into the box as prompted.
Password:
Click Find Tickets button
Continue through security screen
Create a new ticketmaster account or use existing account by entering information requested
Choose appropriate ticket fast delivery method for your country
Enter information as requested to Submit Order
You will see a confirmation screen confirming that your order is processed. THIS IS NOT YOUR TICKET.
WAIT: You will receive an email that will link to your voucher
Click on "Pick up your tickets" within the email
Select VIEW AND PRINT tickets
Print the Ticketmaster voucher. THIS IS YOUR VOUCHER. Your voucher will read "This is your ticket" and contain a barcode. You must print out this voucher and bring it with you, along with your valid I.D. to Dodger Stadium on Monday, July 6, 2009, between 8:00 a.m. and 6:00 p.m. Pacific Time to obtain your two tickets and two wristbands.

[VC2]

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None of us know for sure if MJ did have vitilago. His doctors could have been paid big bucks to say he had it. And we all know that MJ could and would persuade anyone to say or do anything that he wanted. I'm not saying MJ didnt have vitilago......we will never know for sure. But one thing is for sure.........money talks. jmo

funny bubbles, i thought you believed Jordy Chandler? He "proved" the vitilago if you believe him

[CinderL.]

I agree. I fear many will be overcome with emotion. Don't know what the heat is like there but that could be a factor also. If people get to pushing and shoving no telling what could happen

It is fairly hot. Well, San Diego is, and humid.

[legalmania]

oh i disagree there. I think it did spread to the face and that is why there was such heavy make up (or at a minimum to the neck). He used make up to cover it until the depigmentation worked which takes repeated applications. The face, hands, neck and feet are the most common first areas to be affected. then it progresses

I really didn't notice, guess I was to busy watching his feet move. It didn't really matter to me he looked good both black and white.

[CinderL.]

They can block off all the streets they want people will leave their cars and walk. I just googled earth and whoever planned this must be a really bad event planner.

I don't know how much more clear I can make this. Supposedly, People, walking, crawling, whatever, are not going to be able to pass the blocked off streets, and fences, without the wristband and ticket. Ugg.

[CinderL.]

I think the concern is that many of the sold tickets will be counterfeit, and that alone makes it wrong.

They have to have a code, then they register, then they go pick up the ticket and wristband, you have to show your ID and it has to match the registration.

[CinderL.]

This is the letter you get if you win



Your application to attend the Michael Jackson Public Memorial Service at STAPLES Center this Tuesday, July 7, 2009 at 10:00 a.m. Pacific Time, was successful!
Please read this notice carefully. This is your chance to receive two tickets for either the service in the STAPLES Center (subject to availability) or a live big-screen simulcast in the adjacent Nokia Theatre L.A. LIVE.

Instructions To Obtain Your Two Tickets and Security Wristbands Are:


Click on the GET VOUCHER button below before Sunday, July 5, 2009 at 11:59 p.m. Pacific Time.
Select 1 in the quantity window.
Enter your unique password into the box as prompted.
Password:
Click Find Tickets button
Continue through security screen
Create a new ticketmaster account or use existing account by entering information requested
Choose appropriate ticket fast delivery method for your country
Enter information as requested to Submit Order
You will see a confirmation screen confirming that your order is processed. THIS IS NOT YOUR TICKET.
WAIT: You will receive an email that will link to your voucher
Click on "Pick up your tickets" within the email
Select VIEW AND PRINT tickets
Print the Ticketmaster voucher. THIS IS YOUR VOUCHER. Your voucher will read "This is your ticket" and contain a barcode. You must print out this voucher and bring it with you, along with your valid I.D. to Dodger Stadium on Monday, July 6, 2009, between 8:00 a.m. and 6:00 p.m. Pacific Time to obtain your two tickets and two wristbands.

Thank you.

[legalmania]

You get 1/2 million people coming here and you tell me it's not going to be a problem

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Staple+Center&sll=26.2141,-112.057&sspn=34.9343,58.3024&ie=UTF8&v=2.2&cv=5.0.11733.9347&hl=en&ei=XHJRSrXqD4_MMbH53YgH&cd=5&cid=33969789,-118246814,9522803473666013811&li=lm

[CinderL.]

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and for the record, i have never said MJ was a pedophile. I wasnt there.

No, I don't believe you have. :wink:

[imc_e]

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and for the record, i have never said MJ was a pedophile. I wasnt there.


WHO cares where you were or weren't.

MOVE on.

[CinderL.]

You get 1/2 million people coming here and you tell me it's not going to be a problem

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Staple+Center&sll=26.2141,-112.057&sspn=34.9343,58.3024&ie=UTF8&v=2.2&cv=5.0.11733.9347&hl=en&ei=XHJRSrXqD4_MMbH53YgH&cd=5&cid=33969789,-118246814,9522803473666013811&li=lm

I am not saying it is not going to be a problem. I think it is going to be a huge mess. But, our discussion started out with me saying there will be empty seats. I do think the ticket plan was a good one. Main problem is that there are not enough of them, and they were sold world wide. I realize legally they probably had to change that from US only to world wide. Unfortunately, there are many tickets that will not be used, because of that.

[VC2]

I don't know why...if someone wants to go so badly that they are willing to pay for a ticket that someone else won't be using, I don't see a problem. Better than an empty seat.

wouldnt it be nice to see someone buy it now at 99c. if they cant go?

[CeruleanBleu]

That is hilarious. The only thing the youth of today would think about Glenn Campbell is it might be the name of a Soup. I can think of much better examples than MJ. Add to that, can you give me an example of how MJ emulated Jesus Christ? The moon walk is not the same as walking on water. Jesus Christ was mutilated he didn't mutilate himself. Jesus Christ died on a cross for our sins, even those of a perverted frail human Michael Jackson.

Our youth does not need to learn any lessons of Jesus Christ from the likes of Michael Jackson. One of the most self indulgent persons in recent history.

THANK YOU! That was so excellent it bears repeating.

[legalmania]

I am not saying it is not going to be a problem. I think it is going to be a huge mess. But, our discussion started out with me saying there will be empty seats. I do think the ticket plan was a good one. Main problem is that there are not enough of them, and they were sold world wide. I realize legally they probably had to change that from US only to world wide. Unfortunately, there are many tickets that will not be used, because of that.

If I was in charge which they made a huge mistake in not hiring me, but anyway with Neverland they could have moved hundreds of people through with probably less money, less hassle, and everybody would have had a chance to visit his coffin.

[CinderL.]

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Thanks Cinder. U know............it just makes me so mad that if u have a different opinion of certain people, they come out and trash ya. All because i asked what lessons has MJ taught us. Tell me so i'll know. I said it before and i'll say it again..........the only thing he taught was what happens when u deal with drugs..........he killed himself. No one else did it. He had money and BOUGHT everything and anything he wanted.....and yes...even kids. more or less a SPOILED BRAT. and THIS IS MY OPINION.

MJ paid the ultimate price for his drug addiction, but, those that helped him should also be held accountable. Who ever gave him that last IV, and whoever supplied the Diprovan, should be charged with something.

[CinderL.]

wouldnt it be nice to see someone buy it now at 99c. if they cant go?

I saw some on Craig's list for free. I think they got taken off though. I wouldn't trust Craig's list anyway.

[CeruleanBleu]

They can block off all the streets they want people will leave their cars and walk. I just googled earth and whoever planned this must be a really bad event planner.

There must be some reading comprehension problems.
A blocked street does not care if it's a car, a truck, a bus or 2 pair of feet, it is still B L O C K E D.

[VC2]

The moral fiber of our society SHOULD be ALL of our business.

Even yours.

not to mention that scalping is illegal in most jurisdictions

[CinderL.]

You need to read up on just how the wristband THAT WILL CORRELATE WITH THE TICKET, will assure entry into the Center.

"When they pick up their tickets, a wristband will be placed on their wrists. To prevent ticket scalping, fans must have both the ticket and the wristband to enter Staples Center on Tuesday. Wristbands that have been ripped, taped or tampered with will be voided."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090706/ap_on_en_mu/us_michael_jackson


OMG I am screaming here. Have you read this thread the last 3 pages???

[CinderL.]

Hi LyndawithaY:

I don't believe he lost his soul. I believe it was ripped out of him by way of a vindictive prosecutor, who would stop at nothing to bring this innocent man down. He didn't succeed in proving anything, but he did succeed in destroying the spirit within him.

imo...of course.

Do you honestly think that MJ's problems began with the trial?

[legalmania]

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Its all gonna depend on the cops and how they manage crowd control. Now....here in New Orleans for Mardi Gras we have a million people that converge on our city each year...and it lasts for more than one day.........most of the people r drunk. lol But the New Orleans police dept. is #1 in crowd control. Maybe Ca. should have contacted New Orleans for some help in dealing with the crowds. jmo

Oh ya they worked out real well during the hurricane when people were hungry and thirsty and they started shooting at them, I know it wasn't all of them but I would rethink crowd control.

[legalmania]

It never could have happened with a two lane country road leading up there.

imo...of course.

It would be easier to block off two lanes than to block off an entire city. Just make the two way into one.

[legalmania]

There must be some reading comprehension problems.
A blocked street does not care if it's a car, a truck, a bus or 2 pair of feet, it is still B L O C K E D.

I don't know any person who can't fit in between a car or a truck and especially a bus.

[Tokyo Rose]

Thanks Athena, I've been busy reporting over there as well.

Why? Who cares??:rolleyes:

[CinderL.]

I think there is a good possibility that drugs were involved in his death. I also think that beyond the pain, there is a good possibility that his drug use was a result of the torment he was put through by the authorities... wrongfully.

You think the beginning of his drug problems began with his legal problems?

[Tokyo Rose]

I don't know any person who can't fit in between a car or a truck and especially a bus.

AND RUN RIGHT SMACK INTO A COP. They are there to seal the place off and they will. jmo

[legalmania]

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Have u ever been here for Mardi Gras? I would imagine not if thats your reply to my post. Katrina was a horse of a different color.
U really have no idea of what u r talking about there.

Yes somebody stole my wallet. Katrina should have been the time for them to show what a great police force they had.

[CinderL.]

I don't know any person who can't fit in between a car or a truck and especially a bus.

Huh? We are talking about barricading off the area. :rolleyes:

[Tokyo Rose]

I think there is a good possibility that drugs were involved in his death. I also think that beyond the pain, there is a good possibility that his drug use was a result of the torment he was put through by the authorities... wrongfully.

Ya the fact the cops caught him with his pants down AGAIN and him worrying about his lawyer being able to get him off.
jmo

[VC2]

can someone tell me how to play the foxy tunes? I am on dial up so i assume it will be slow but i am getting nothing

[legalmania]

AND RUN RIGHT SMACK INTO A COP. They are there to seal the place off and they will. jmo

These would be the same officers that had the city under control after the game?

[legalmania]

can someone tell me how to play the foxy tunes? I am on dial up so i assume it will be slow but i am getting nothing

You mean like this?

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Now playing: Michael Jackson - Thriller (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/michael_jackson/track/thriller)
via FoxyTunes (http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/)

[Tokyo Rose]

These would be the same officers that had the city under control after the game?

Yes, those. They got in under control didn't they?

[CinderL.]

No, I think it began with the unrelenting pain he suffered after having his scalp catch on fire. I understand those type of serious burns are quite painful.

I am sure they are. In fact I read that they were second degree burns. I have had those on my leg from a motorcycle accident. They got better pretty quickly, a month or so.

[Mamie]

I think people who are uneducated about the process just don't understand it but perhaps they should educate themselves about it. I learned because of my AA girlfriend who had to go through the depigmentation process and it is not even the same "coloring" a white person would have. She suffers with terrible low self-esteem as a result but she is honestly a pretty woman - she just doesn't see it. :(

I'll bet your friend is glad she has you for a friend, though. I can tell what a great friend you are to her, too, just by your posts about her.

[4Life]

Ya the fact the cops caught him with his pants down AGAIN......
jmo Did they really? You have a link?

[legalmania]

Huh? We are talking about barricading off the area. :rolleyes:

So you have 500 cars in a line, how are you going to get the ones with tickets through? You'll have some turning around while some are going through, then you have you're dare devils who will use the sidewalks? You tell me how's it going to work?

[4Life]

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and by the way.........your post has nothing to do with CROWD CONTROL.

I have been and trust me, crowd control is not the best there.

[Tokyo Rose]

Did they really? You have a link?

A link? There was a trial.:laugh:

[*Serenity*]

annalyzer
Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 8,027

Quote:
Originally Posted by CinderL.
Did anyone here sign up for the tickets? Did you have to put your location in the form?


Do the tickets have to be picked up somewhere or do they mail them out?

I completed a registration form-- ask my first / last name
email and zip code.

AEG was suppose to start notifying winners from 11am through 7 or 8 pm tonight--last I heard.

Upon receiving notification of winning they supply some type of confirmation code along with instructions where to go tomorrow to pick up tickets/wristbands.

I haven't received any emails about winning so out of the 1.6 million one of them was NOT me....:)

[CinderL.]

So you have 500 cars in a line, how are you going to get the ones with tickets through? You'll have some turning around while some are going through, then you have you're dare devils who will use the sidewalks? You tell me how's it going to work?

I will let someone else try. I give.

[legalmania]

I have been and trust me, crowd control is not the best there.

We got ourselves a flip flopper they can't control crime there but they can control a crowd.

[FallenAngel♥]

I would have thought by now the family would have come out and said the cause of death and disputed the drug talk IF it weren't true.

[4Life]

A link? There was a trial.:laugh:

You said he got caught with his pants down. Where is the link?
Caught with pants down means he was caught red handed in the act.

Yup a trail and found Not Guilty

[CinderL.]

I completed a registration form-- ask my first / last name
email and zip code.

AEG was suppose to start notifying winners from 11am through 7 or 8 pm tonight--last I heard.

Upon receiving notification of winning they supply some type of confirmation code along with instructions where to go tomorrow to pick up tickets/wristbands.

I haven't received any emails about winning so out of the 1.6 million one of them was NOT me....:)

Oh thank you Serenity. I remember that you did, to take your Grandson, right? Anyway, so they could know where the person lived, whether they lived in the states or not. I just wonder how Random this drawing was....:ohmy: Oh and sorry you didn't get your tickets.

[Tokyo Rose]

So you have 500 cars in a line, how are you going to get the ones with tickets through? You'll have some turning around while some are going through, then you have you're dare devils who will use the sidewalks? You tell me how's it going to work?

They will be parking and walking. There will be an entrance for the ones with the tickets which they will have to go through to get in. jmo

No cars at all beyond a certain point.

[CinderL.]

He let down his loyal fans? Really? Tell that to the millions that are mourning his death, the 2+ million that are trying to get tickets to the event Tuesday, the 50 sold out concerts he was suppose to have etc....sounds to me he let alot of them down

Really 4Life, he did let his fans down, and his children, and his family down, by messing with a drug that no one should use outside of the hospital, that according to friends he was warned about.

[legalmania]

I would have thought by now the family would have come out and said the cause of death and disputed the drug talk IF it weren't true.

I have a feeling that is why there was a second autopsy. I have to say this though he didn't suffer he just went to sleep , which if I had my choice I would want it that way.

[Tokyo Rose]

You said he got caught with his pants down. Where is the link?
Caught with pants down means he was caught red handed in the act.

Yup a trail and found Not Guilty

"Caught with his pants down" is an old saying, but you know that. Just in this case it was true. jmo

[legalmania]

They will be parking and walking. There will be an entrance for the ones with the tickets which they will have to go through to get in. jmo

No cars at all beyond a certain point.

Yes but you will have about 300,000 people arriving at the same time. It's not going to be one at a time.

[FallenAngel♥]

I have a feeling that is why there was a second autopsy. I have to say this though he didn't suffer he just went to sleep , which if I had my choice I would want it that way.

If it was a heart attack how do we know he didn't suffer?
and if it was drugs well he must have suffered with addiction.

[CinderL.]

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u said it sooooooooooooooo right. i totally agree.

Most of all his kids, but himself as well. How many times have you heard his friends, family, Al S., Jessie say how they wish MJ could be here to see all of the love from his fans. If he hadn't been so messed up with his wants and needs, he would have been around to have seen all the love at his up coming concerts, and his kids would still have a dad.

Just a waste. He was a great talent

[PBJMOM4]

2 Memorial Service Tickets - $8,000
and someone actually BID on it! My GAWD!

[legalmania]

If it was a heart attack how do we know he didn't suffer?
and if it was drugs well he must have suffered with addiction.


Well none of us will never know if he suffered, but from what I've heard and I what I'd like to believe he didn't.

[*Serenity*]

Ticket winners said they received a unique code and instructions to pick up their tickets Monday at Dodger Stadium.

When they pick up their tickets, a wristband will be placed on their wrists. To prevent ticket scalping, fans must have both the ticket and the wristband to enter Staples Center on Tuesday. Wristbands that have been ripped, taped or tampered with will be voided.




http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=141035&provider=rss

[CinderL.]

I have a feeling that is why there was a second autopsy. I have to say this though he didn't suffer he just went to sleep , which if I had my choice I would want it that way.

At your own hand?

[Tokyo Rose]

Yes but you will have about 300,000 people arriving at the same time. It's not going to be one at a time.

Not quite that many. Traffic control will start long before they get near the Staples Center. jmo

[legalmania]

2 Memorial Service Tickets - $8,000
and someone actually BID on it! My GAWD!

Well now they got to hope their not getting scammed.

[4Life]

At your own hand?

No silly, he/she meant die in his/her sleep

[CinderL.]

Yes but you will have about 300,000 people arriving at the same time. It's not going to be one at a time.

Yes, LA is going to be a mess with the traffic. They will have to find a place to park. AND WALK.

[legalmania]

I think he expired in his sleep. If he was medicated he probably just slept through it. His eyes appeared closed from the photos released
as they were trying to revive him. He looked relaxed. No facial contortions.

I agree with you Charms I don't think he felt anything.

[CinderL.]

That's what she would like to think, but that isn't what happened and she knows it.

I truly think there are some very jealous people here of Micheal Jackson; his loving personality, his music & dance, his recognition and admiration from millions of people, his fortune and the fact that in spite of the horrors in his life which started in his childhood, MJ learned how to love and EXTEND love unconditionally.

That's a lesson that some here will not learn if they live to be 100.

On that note, Goodnight to the good folks here who actually have respect for the deceased.

Unfortunately he didn't extend that love to himself.
I am not the least jealous of MJ. I am alive.

[legalmania]

Yes, LA is going to be a mess with the traffic. They will have to find a place to park. AND WALK.

CinderL I'm agree with you, peoples emotions will be running high.

[CinderL.]

2 Memorial Service Tickets - $8,000
and someone actually BID on it! My GAWD! Bad deal, I saw quite a few for 200 something and they had zero bids. Bad shoppers.:wink:

[CinderL.]

No silly, he/she meant die in his/her sleep

Well, he died in his sleep, at his own hand. I too would like to do that but at a much older age. And, naturally.

[CinderL.]

I agree with you Charms I don't think he felt anything.

He didn't feel a thing. He was in a drug induced coma.

[CinderL.]

CinderL I'm agree with you, peoples emotions will be running high.

Yes they are, and I have a headache. :smile:

[4Life]

No he did not expire in his sleep. He collapsed while standing in his living room in front of one of his kids and the idiot doctor and whoever took him to his bedroom.

What photos released are you talking about? What load of BS are you trying to spin here?

NO, the doctors lawyer said he found MJ in the bedroom. What you wrote was a rumor
The pic the poster is talking about is the one that was all over the news of MJ on the stretcher

[FallenAngel♥]

No he did not expire in his sleep. He collapsed while standing in his living room in front of one of his kids and the idiot doctor and whoever took him to his bedroom.

What photos released are you talking about? What load of BS are you trying to spin here?

http://www.etonline.com/news/2009/06/75724/index.html

[CinderL.]

Huh? What's your point here? What exactly did you say? :shrug:

How do you know what Michael Jackson extended to himself?

mo

I don't think he valued himself, his children, or his family if he was willing to take a drug that according to all accounts he knew was dangerous, and shouldn't be used outside of a hospital. He was selfish. He was thinking only of what he wanted. Why would anyone be jealous of that? Who would have wanted his life? He was IMO a tortured person.

[CinderL.]

Huh? What's your point here? What exactly did you say? :shrug:

How do you know what Michael Jackson extended to himself?

mo

You might also want to go back and read the post I was quoting.

[CinderL.]

No he did not expire in his sleep. He collapsed while standing in his living room in front of one of his kids and the idiot doctor and whoever took him to his bedroom.

What photos released are you talking about? What load of BS are you trying to spin here?

I think you have been listening to Nancy G. That wasn't a true story. It was a rumor. Not true. The Dr. found him in his bed....not breathing, with a faint pulse. Nancy keeps repeating that. The son was not there. That is the latest story anyway.

[CinderL.]

Really? You know that how? Perhaps the autopsy reports are back and you have a copy that the rest of us haven't seen?

Link to that fact please. I don't see a notation that it's an "opinion". TIA How wonderful you have confidential information that hasn't been released to the public. WOWZER!! :w00t:

mo

Oh ok. So sorry, the AP report is that there was the drug, Propofol in the room where he died, and lidocain. IF MJ was given an IV of this drug, I believe he died in his sleep of a self (with help from his Dr's) induced coma, went into respiratory arrest and died. IMO

[CinderL.]

Link to that fact, please. the Death Certificate Cause of Death is blank awaiting the atopsy, and you have information no one else has. Interesting.

MO

We'll see if I am right or not.

[CinderL.]

Oh for God's sake that was when he was in the ambulance totally unconscious when he was being intubated. Naturally his eyes would be closed. He didn't have a clue as to what was happening to him. He was already dead.

I believe he was, for quite awhile. IMO

[CinderL.]

This isn't about whether you're right or not. It's not a game. It's a man's life, and ultimate untimely death we're talking about here.

When the Atopsy reports are released we will have the FACTS. I don't think it matters if someone's "guess" is right nor not.

mo

Well, I can't prove it now can I? Yet. So we will see, won't we. If you don't want to talk about what people believe is the cause of death, pass on by. You don't have to read it. If you don't want any speculation, you are maybe in the wrong place. That is what happens on message boards. IMO

[legalmania]

Michael never want to say goodbye.

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Now playing: Michael Jackson - Never Can Say Goodbye (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/michael_jackson/track/never_can_say_goodbye)
via FoxyTunes (http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/)

[legalmania]

No silly, he/she meant die in his/her sleep

Thanks 4Life I missed the post.

[tv4me]

Last I checked this had not been mention. (but then there weren't 13 pages of posts either...boy, am I a slow typist.)

LOS ANGELES (AP) — It will be Monday before e-mail notifications are sent to those chosen to get tickets for Michael Jackson's memorial service. Notifications were originally planned to go out today. More than 1.6 million people registered for the 17,500 tickets available.

This got my hopes up as I had not received one, but still had my fingers crossed. I live close enough to drive there. However, the next update crushed them.

Despite widespread rumors to the contrary, the e-mail notification process in fact took place today, and those who were selected have already received information on how to print vouchers that they must bring to Dodger Stadium on Monday to pick up the tickets and wristbands needed for entry to the service at Staples Center. About 1.9 million registered for the chance to attend the King of Pop's service, but organizers whittled that number to 1.6 million, eliminating duplicate entries and some generated by automatic dialers, said AEG spokesman Michael Roth. (AEG owns Staples Center and was producing Jackson's comeback concerts.)
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/07/jackson-tickets-issued-and-fans-warned-not-to-sell-them.html

I have checked ebay a couple of times tonight and there are people selling the email notifications. (How one plans to prove they are the name on the email beats me)

There are also people selling these emails on Craigslist. One seller was from Ireland. How this person ever hoped to get to the memorial is beyond me. There are also people there begging to buy someone's email in order to get the "secret" password.

Poor saps who buy these things. I don't think they're going to get in. I'm just going to dvr it and watch it when I get home from work.

Really wish I had been one of those who got the email...but then I have never had any luck with the lottery either.

[cherish]

Oh, get real, he was taking drugs long before that and if he wasn't sleeping with young boys as an adult, the authorities wouldn't have had a reason to charge him. He didn't think that there was anything wrong with that. Would you let your 12 yo son, that is if you have or had one sleep with MJ? I rather doubt it. How do you excuse that behavior? I just don't understand how people can rationalize MJ's behavior just because he was in some peoples opinion a musical icon. The bottom line is that he let down his loyal fans because of his abhorrant behavior. Argue all you want, it is not excuseable.

Well, that's a great point. I took my kids to Disney World and we had the best time, but at the end of day if Mickey Mouse invited my kids to spend the night alone with him, I would have politely shaken his white glove and said sorry, not tonight.

Musically MJ will forever be an icon to me. I can't even begin to "rationalize" his behavior, nor should I have to.

[AlohaRainbow]

Don't be too hard on Logger. At the moment I can't find many posts that contain facts. Most of them are rumor and gossip.

mo
i'd add don't be hard on the posters because most of the news articles and sources that posters should be able to rely on as being factual are filled with rumor and gossip.

one example: just a few minutes before news articles came out about people receiving emails that they "won" tickets to the memorial, there were news articles stating that the drawing for the tickets was postponed until monday.

[*Serenity*]

Last I checked this had not been mention. (but then there weren't 13 pages of posts either...boy, am I a slow typist.)


This got my hopes up as I had not received one, but still had my fingers crossed. I live close enough to drive there. However, the next update crushed them.


http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/07/jackson-tickets-issued-and-fans-warned-not-to-sell-them.html

I have checked ebay a couple of times tonight and there are people selling the email notifications. (How one plans to prove they are the name on the email beats me)

There are also people selling these emails on Craigslist. One seller was from Ireland. How this person ever hoped to get to the memorial is beyond me. There are also people there begging to buy someone's email in order to get the "secret" password.

Poor saps who buy these things. I don't think they're going to get in. I'm just going to dvr it and watch it when I get home from work.

Really wish I had been one of those who got the email...but then I have never had any luck with the lottery either.


I didn't win either. LOL

[*Serenity*]

The lawyer for the doctor who was at Michael Jackson's home the day he died tells TMZ he did not give Jackson OxyContin or Demerol that day, but he wouldn't say the same about the powerful anesthesia found at the singer's home.


http://www.tmz.com/

[*Serenity*]

Today we'll know if Katherine Jackson will fight over Michael Jackson's will -- or at least we'll know if her lawyer plans a fight.

http://www.tmz.com/

[*Serenity*]

For those that missed this video clip, and who are interested.





http://www.radaronline.com/videos#/28310972001

[VC2]

You think the beginning of his drug problems began with his legal problems?

I don't. I think he managed to handle some of the legal problems due to USELESS advisors (i have no respect for Oxman for example) who told him to settle and i understood why he did but he was to big a target with to much of a need and belief in kids are inncoent and being with them was too..he forgot that the adults around them were not all the time.

His drug problems started with the fire at the pepsi commercial, 2nd degree burns don't sound terrible but when on your scalp where there is very little fat or muscle to deal with the burn, his hair didn't grow back where it was burned. Also the scalp is known for massive bleeding compared to the size of the injury and a large part of that is because there are many nerves and blood vessels in a very thin sheath.

No one but no one would disagree he needed narcotic pain killers for that, then add the fact he broke his vertebra when he fell during/because of the fire causing chronic back pain.

IMO MJ has always fallen in the gray area. He is addicted to pain killers but there is little option to give him them when he is in legitimate pain.

I will bet 100 bucks that when he got himself together for the tour, he found his pain lessened as did his drug need though. He had legitimate pain from rehearsals and training in which he used a narcotic i am sure bc nothing less would work, but i also believe that the Diprivan was a way to NOT dope himself up to sleep in his mind. He was high on the show at that time.

jmo

[VC2]

ETA i forgot to put in my post, i think the wrongful allegations and trial against him destroyed him psychologically for a long time and whatever fight he might have put up against drug abuse was gone.

Imagine yourself...lets say a foster mother (i am not saying he was a foster father) who did it out of love for needy children. Gave them as much as you could emotionally, adored them and trusted them and they trusted you.

Then you were slapped with allegations of sexual abuse because you put your hand on the thigh of a kid who you were rough housing with, the maids son. Maid came and said "i will charge sexual abuse unless you pay me"

You would pay if 2 million was like 20 bucks to us.
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then omg another allegation from a child you trusted, loved. His father is ON TAPE saying what his son thinks/says is irrelevant he will take MJ down bc of a business deal andf that it is "bigger than him" (i read sneddon lol)

well..you know you didn't. advisors lawyers say make it go away...they should know best. You are destroyed inside because you know it isn't true but yu care for the kid too...so you settle.

The arvizo's. well...the evidence is in the transcripts...pretty heartbreaking imo for MJ.

You are humiliated publicly as one of the most vile creatures in the world. When all you did was love kids and want to make their lives better, especially those with cancer like GA. They were the only ones you trusted.

I think I would have committed suicide and i am not kidding. I suffer from depression and imo so did MJ but that would have been to much for me.

I give Tom Mersereau incredible credit for keeping his spirits up and convincing him to go through the trial. Yeah i know he had no choice..but he did have one and i was afraid of it bc i would have taken it.

He lost everything in that trial. Privacy even over his body, friendships from kids he loved and tried to help and trusted. No he was never ever normal But the trial pushed him to the brink.

I was shocked he managed to climb out of the hole..but he did and that is the irony and tradgey of his death.

IMO

[Unperson1984]

I decided to go to Disneyland for a few hours, but judging by the auctions on Ebay, it seems they winners were notified today. Is that correct?

[cherish]

Apparently I just received my official notice:


The Michael Jackson Public Memorial Service at STAPLES Center‏
From: STAPLES Center (info@enews.staplescenter.com)
High riskThis message may be dangerous. Learn more
Sent: Mon 7/06/09 6:05 AM

Sorry, we regret to inform you that your registration was not selected.
If you are using a mobile device or can't see the images, click here.

Thank you for your registration.

Sorry, we regret to inform you that your registration to attend the Public Memorial Service for Michael Jackson was not selected.

Hundreds of thousands registered, but only a few can be in attendance.

[VC2]

and something else.

All the thousands of kids, the disabled, the underprivileged, the special needs... they lost by the vendetta trial too. (i call it a vendetta because Francia was forced to go to a psychiatrist - not a bad idea if someone is told they have been abused - but taken there but DA Sneddon and he SAT THROUGH EACH SESSION!!!!!!! for a hand on a thigh. i really wonder if he was afraid JF would take it back to the psychiatrist because even the merest layman knows that no LE should be sitting in a therapy sessioN! no wonder he cried discussing it, probably afraid he would be arrested

IMO
Not trying to rehash the trial but i am trying to point out some facts that make MJ's actions/appearances or simply differences are understandable and includes a fall deep into the hole of addiction which he managed to climb out of. I don't think he thought he was addicted to a knock out drug for insomnia

[aproudmom]

Every time there is this sort of public uproar, I can't help but think that we are supposed to learn something from it. That our attention is being directed to something. Perhaps we need our complacency stirred in some way? If true, then there will always be some sort of "sacrificial lamb" involved. "Chaos" seems to be needed to effect change, unfortunately.

Maybe, if we get too bogged down in the obvious, we'll miss the "lesson?"

My Bolding

I think we do miss the lesson so many times and just your few words are very strong I was not going to get back on here because of earlier but then after speaking to my mother that this has changed me in alot of ways yes MJ I labeled a wacko a pedo odd and creepy for years but since he passed and so many on here the wonderful posters I must say have taught me the good and not so good in him and what went on in his lifetime and as I look at myself in the mirror tonight I want to know I will NEVER judge anyone by what some media station or tabloid says and will not tune into any negative coverage on anyone I am far from perfect and until I walk in those shoes who am I to Judge so MJ and this horrible death that never had to happen will forever change me and not because of it just being MJ...and I am sorry if this is about me or I go off topic I guess when I post with some for awhile I feel we can be very serious and also have a heart and go off topic and say sorry about your mother or your father or whatever it may be...but I guess not and I thought I had very thick skin and in person I DO NO ONE would talk to me in a nasty manner but I shall ignore. I appreciate everyone's opinion and if I have ever attacked someone I am sorry I appreciate the different opinions and would never attack anyone or try to say they are wrong for not agreeing on certain subjects..and I am never to good to say I am sorry to others either as I have.

[Gilly]

Has Sneddon made a statement yet?
Too bad he never got that feather in his cap.

Good morning Charms,
I have only seen this. Not sure if its true because of the publication, somewhat of a rag.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/news/2009/06/29/michael-jackson-s-sworn-enemy-over-child-abuse-investigation-tells-of-sadness-at-his-death-115875-21480457/

[aproudmom]

Thank you! I like the sound of it too. And I think it's very special that he recorded with them. Didn't someone say earlier he singled them out in his trust? Maybe he wanted them to continue the tradition.

Card you are right boy you have a good memory..some of his kids are in the business right? I know his oldest is my age IIRC was born in 71 that would be great for them to carry on.

I don't want to post a bunch of links sorry I am just going to put it on here hope it is ok.. but she was on LKL the other night with one of his dancers and I was so glad to see she was his lead Guitarist being a women..lol..I hope they are correct and she is playing at the memorial those dancers and her were so excited that was a once in a lifetime chance for a lot of them
GUITAR BABE’S STILL IN SHOCK
THE blonde guitar babe who played with Jackson in his final performance is ready to take centre-stage at the star’s memorial concert
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/posts/view/87785

[VC2]

I would have thought by now the family would have come out and said the cause of death and disputed the drug talk IF it weren't true.

FA i think at least the diprivan must be true. Sadly i see that as him trying not to drugs (as in narcotics etc.) just a clean put him to sleep with terrible insomnia and he wakes fresh minded with no grogginess.

IMO if there was any demerol in him it was a legitimate dose from pain caused by the rehearsals. I took demerol for 3 months because of a torn knee ligament. At first it made me fuzzy but after a week it just dealt with the pain, no high. In fact because i take 7 psychometric meds for severe depression and anxiety each day, my physician absolutely refused to prescribe me a major tranquilizer for a situation where it was needed. He honestly said he was afraid to because of the numerous possible side effects.

Then he said, well you clearly need it (it was the one dentist appt with no general, my first in years and they dont do that before they meet you) i was in hysterical babbling fear, almost wet myself at the idea of even getting an xray at the dentist talking about it. So he said look, you have taken demerol for your knee right? I said yes, i take 1 to 2 depending on the pain twice a day. He asked me if i took my ativan for panic attacks, i said yes..then he gave me a piercing look and said how often did i take both? I said well i drive with 2 ativan, its a nothing so yeah if i take to 2 for panic, and then my knee acts up i take 1 to 2 demerol too.

He just rolled his eyes and said "i remember your surgeons report years ago. He said it would take an elephant hammer to get you out and he even let you have a cigarette in a side recovery room then discharged you 15 mins later" surgeon was great, he got a smoking nurse to lend me a smoke and then told me every tank etc in the room and said if i moved from the table that i was cross legged on i would blow up the hospital so stay put :laugh: twas 20 years ago.

Anyway he prescribed 3 ativan and 2 demerol for my dental appt rather than a major tranquilzer. The dentists bout fell over bc ppl go there on one ativan and are loopy. I was sort of relaxed and ok but very coherent. Next day took same amount for a repeat visit and kept crying to my friend who drived me "i took them an hour ago!! why aren't i loopy yet?? i will be able to walk up the stairs fine! and know what they are doing!!!" almost ran away when she parked. first day i was loopy as could be. only lasted that day tho :( and i have not made an appt since bc of that. i rather have abcess after abcess or jaw cancer than go without meds to put me out and now i have changed provinces and am on disability the gnerals i was used for each cavity and sometimes cleanings are not available. so every 3 months i end up at emerg at 2 am begging for pain killer and antibiotics.

[VC2]

Really 4Life, he did let his fans down, and his children, and his family down, by messing with a drug that no one should use outside of the hospital, that according to friends he was warned about.

NO he let himself down. he thought he was taking something with a legitimate doctor to monitor just as ratner did in the 90's (diff anaesthesia imo) with all the equipment needed.

Stupid idea yes. However he let himself down because he again trusted the wrong rather than the right people, and imo if he died from Diprivan then Murray should spend at least 10 years in the slammer. Not for killing "the king of pop" but for complete malpractice. Remember it is a drug given daily under complete control and most never die. they may have respiratory failure or cardiac and both are dealth with immediately due to the monitoring equipment.

Yes Mj was a fool to believe in Murray (if he administered it but someone had to and he was asked to "spend the night at his bed")

[VC2]

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whatever u wanna think is fine with me. u wont be missed....i can assure u of that.

ENOUGH

seriously. Do we all have to degenerate into 12 year olds? Take a lesson from scampi who i had heated arguements with during the trial. The man is dead now. The autopsy will say why. we can give a limited respect for those grieving especially family, discuss his musical impact and history and also the medical situation. We don't need to get mean about it.

this backbiting is shameful. Not for MJ but for those participating. Do any of you feel proud? Be thankful its a holiday weekend or this thread would be closed by CW!

IMO

[aproudmom]

and something else.

All the thousands of kids, the disabled, the underprivileged, the special needs... they lost by the vendetta trial too. (i call it a vendetta because Francia was forced to go to a psychiatrist - not a bad idea if someone is told they have been abused - but taken there but DA Sneddon and he SAT THROUGH EACH SESSION!!!!!!! for a hand on a thigh. i really wonder if he was afraid JF would take it back to the psychiatrist because even the merest layman knows that no LE should be sitting in a therapy sessioN! no wonder he cried discussing it, probably afraid he would be arrested

IMO
Not trying to rehash the trial but i am trying to point out some facts that make MJ's actions/appearances or simply differences are understandable and includes a fall deep into the hole of addiction which he managed to climb out of. I don't think he thought he was addicted to a knock out drug for insomnia

I am not sure he was every allowed to move past such horrible allegations I had never heard this before but why sue MJ and a hospital for a death 2yr later because he was in the ER only the Hospital could be to blame if it had been true I am seeing so many went after money from this man for no apparent reason..and it should be talked about also IMO..Just to show how many tried to take advantage of MJ how did he kill this women :confused: I can not understand some people the only ones responsible for health care is the Doctors and Hospitals..

Michael Jackson sued over woman's death

Feb. 20, 2007
Michael Jackson has found himself in hot water again, and it's all because he wasn't feeling well.

The family of a woman who died at a Santa Maria hospital is suing the King of Pop and the Marian Medical Center for allegedly inflicting emotional distress and other harm on them after the pop star's visit the same day caused a stir.

The civil complaint, filed Thursday in Santa Barbara County Superior Court in Santa Maria on the two-year anniversary of the death of 73-year-old Manuela Gomez Ruiz, alleges abuse of celebrity status.
Lawsuit against Michael Jackson Dropped
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17246317/
http://www.totallawyers.com/celebrity-legal-news-spotlight.asp

[aproudmom]

Not only Murray, but what about the Anestheseoligist who traveled with Mikie in the 90's?
Like I said - There will be a new law enacted to prevent Dr's from administering drugs to their elite client's.
Write your Representatives!
The Michael Jackson law should be enacted asap.


Sorry for posting so much but Charms I also wonder why this doc who says he had a mini clinic during the 90's Is that ok? or could he get in trouble I also wondered any of MJ doctors or Nurses are bound by the HIPPA Laws even after death I am shocked she told that on tv she could be sued by the family for just saying what treatment she gave him LE she could talk to...anyway is their a link to sign a petition already sat up to send it to our State Reps..I campaign for mine so sure he will return my call..

[aproudmom]

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Its all gonna depend on the cops and how they manage crowd control. Now....here in New Orleans for Mardi Gras we have a million people that converge on our city each year...and it lasts for more than one day.........most of the people r drunk. lol But the New Orleans police dept. is #1 in crowd control. Maybe Ca. should have contacted New Orleans for some help in dealing with the crowds. jmo

:scared:My son and sister was there during Mardi Gra this year and when I started hearing people were getting shot at in broad daylight I freaked out..My Doctors daughter lives there he bought her a gun after Katrina but I will say I have seen them on Cops and they do have one heck of a job keeping control of all the drunks I am sure it is very hard

[aproudmom]

No apology necessary. We are her to discuss the same topic.
I also wondered about the nurse, medical staff and the HIPPA regulations. Not only did they discuss and disclose medical information to the public about Michael, IMO it was inappropriate and totallty disrespectful to his family.
They hadn't even had a chance to bury him.

I know I was in total shock and the HIPPA law here is very much used I had to fire people just for accidentally saying the patient was in the hospital if they requested it to be private..I also find it very disrespectful to be talking on TV and not LE a nurse called in to NG the other night she said 2 nurses can not even talk about a patient in a elevator and why would this so called nurse if she is a RN would not know it is very much against the law...also did Farrah also get a law passed when her medical records were leaked from a employee at UCLA and I know she has nothing to do with MJ but it was in CA also

BTW Good Morning

[kellabeck]

I have seen no one refer to MJ as a saint.

What he was though was a wounded soul in life, so for the love of GOD, let him have peace in his death.

Throughout his own wounds, he gave this world intense joy, generous charity donations particularly to children, an unsurpassed talent in music & dance, and for that I would think people would be grateful, reverent, and respectful.

REVERENT?? Seriously. He was a pop star, not Mahatma Gandhi, for cryin' out loud!

Plenty of posters are practically deifying the man by exalting every good thing and denying ANY bad. If you Jackson fans could be objective for one minute and imagine if you were convinced in your heart that the person being extolled committed many crimes and got away with it-- would you understand how the others feel and why they -- we-- feel compelled to add a bit of balance here?

All of my posts have been respectful and civil. But REVERENT??? Give me a break!!

[kellabeck]

Not a bright move, Congressman Pete King. I'm sure you'll be hearing from the Jackson family's lawyers very soon. Possibly they'll accept a reasonable settlement, perhaps a half a million or so.

Nonsense. They won't sue over this. Besides they have bigger fish to fry.

[aproudmom]

Is this also were his grandma is buried and several other stars?

LOS ANGELES, California (CNN) -- The first official indication that a family service for Michael Jackson will be held at Forest Lawn Cemetery came from a Los Angeles police official Sunday.

The family of the singer, who died June 25, has given no public statement on the planning. However, brother Jermaine Jackson told CNN on Thursday that a private service would be held Tuesday morning

http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/07/05/jackson.memorial/index.html?iref=mpstoryview

[aproudmom]

REVERENT?? Seriously. He was a pop star, not Mahatma Gandhi, for cryin' out loud!

Plenty of posters are practically deifying the man by exalting every good thing and denying ANY bad. If you Jackson fans could be objective for one minute and imagine if you were convinced in your heart that the person being extolled committed many crimes and got away with it-- would you understand how the others feel and why they -- we-- feel compelled to add a bit of balance here?

All of my posts have been respectful and civil. But REVERENT??? Give me a break!!

Good Morning
kell I think we posted on a thread together before IIRC not sure but if we did I hope you saw I was fair to all posters and opinions and did not want to start things but did you hear Al Sharpton on CNN? He did not even say he was some saint but it should be fair instead of just the negative things about MJ before the man is even buried..and I wont argue with you over your opinion we all have one kell but I would like to say I was never a huge MJ fan if your referring to the posters on here..I do appreciate his work very much and all the money he gave. anyway I do not want to get attacked I am just someone who would like to see the good in people also and I had him convicted and labeled for years and can admit that but I can not say the same now after reading so much more than just the junk tabloids and media out to ruin anyone they can get their claws in...JMO

[aproudmom]

I was in NO for New Years Eve. The city was alive and vibrant. The fireworks on the Mississippi river were awesome. Thepeople were polite and hospitable. NEVER rely on the media to report their opinion, it is usually biased.
As for the NOPD - the best I have seen. No comparison.

really I always wanted to go but is it the same so many have told me it is not what it was before Katrina..I watched it all on TV and it was a sad time..and I also remember all the LE and doctors and nurses who put their life on the line and stayed and they are true heroes to me..the media I was not referring to my son and sister was there in the middle of it this year I just said it scared me to death as a mother when he called me up and told me about the random shootings then saw it on TV..I was just being a mommy..lol...I would really love to go if I get that chance

[annalyzer]

Television networks planning Jackson coverage

AP, Jul 5, 2009 9:32 am PDT

NBC executives changed their minds Sunday and decided to join other networks that will televise Michael Jackson's memorial service live this week.NBC joins ABC, CNN, MSNBC and E! Entertainment in offering the ceremony live. It's set for 10 a.m. PDT (1700 GMT) Tuesday at Los Angeles' Staples Center.


http://new.music.yahoo.com/michael-jackson/news/television-networks-planning-jackson-coverage--61990854

[Scampi]

ETA i forgot to put in my post, i think the wrongful allegations and trial against him destroyed him psychologically for a long time and whatever fight he might have put up against drug abuse was gone.

Imagine yourself...lets say a foster mother (i am not saying he was a foster father) who did it out of love for needy children. Gave them as much as you could emotionally, adored them and trusted them and they trusted you.

Then you were slapped with allegations of sexual abuse because you put your hand on the thigh of a kid who you were rough housing with, the maids son. Maid came and said "i will charge sexual abuse unless you pay me"

You would pay if 2 million was like 20 bucks to us.
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then omg another allegation from a child you trusted, loved. His father is ON TAPE saying what his son thinks/says is irrelevant he will take MJ down bc of a business deal andf that it is "bigger than him" (i read sneddon lol)

well..you know you didn't. advisors lawyers say make it go away...they should know best. You are destroyed inside because you know it isn't true but yu care for the kid too...so you settle.

The arvizo's. well...the evidence is in the transcripts...pretty heartbreaking imo for MJ.

You are humiliated publicly as one of the most vile creatures in the world. When all you did was love kids and want to make their lives better, especially those with cancer like GA. They were the only ones you trusted.

I think I would have committed suicide and i am not kidding. I suffer from depression and imo so did MJ but that would have been to much for me.

I give Tom Mersereau incredible credit for keeping his spirits up and convincing him to go through the trial. Yeah i know he had no choice..but he did have one and i was afraid of it bc i would have taken it.

He lost everything in that trial. Privacy even over his body, friendships from kids he loved and tried to help and trusted. No he was never ever normal But the trial pushed him to the brink.

I was shocked he managed to climb out of the hole..but he did and that is the irony and tradgey of his death.

IMO


An excellent summation VC. To coin a phrase sometimes things just aren't black or white and in this particular case, I see a huge gray area.

Good morning everyone. My sympathies to all of our posters who wanted tickets but were unable to get them. At least you can be with us on Tuesday as we celebrate the life of Michael.

[aproudmom]

MJ paid the ultimate price for his drug addiction, but, those that helped him should also be held accountable. Who ever gave him that last IV, and whoever supplied the Diprovan, should be charged with something.

I wonder if this is true..LA PD 3 Police warrants it was just on CNN wonder if that is the ones they got for the home and the docs car
This was posted by someone if true the doc may be in some big time trouble..I guess we shall see if true at some point I would think if they could prove he was guilty of giving it to him he could be held for something...I hate all the media reports we never know what is true but I know the LE is not privy to release that to us...I was also looking a videos last night and MJ had been going to a clinic alot I will have to look for it and get the name of the medical office and see if it has a list of Doctors..I had it all before I signed off last night but ended up just logging off but it gave the dates he was there of course media was all there since they thought he had cancer...also I saw Kathy Hilton went to his Mansion with her husband that night..not sure if anyone else watched all the videos of the family coming and going but that is were I saw Kathy H...must be close to the family to come that night he passed away

http://www.tmz.com/

[aproudmom]

Not a bright move, Congressman Pete King. I'm sure you'll be hearing from the Jackson family's lawyers very soon. Possibly they'll accept a reasonable settlement, perhaps a half a million or so.

that is down right rude and disrespectful to his children and family..if true:thumbdown:

[kennedy06]

Just checked out ebay MJ tickets. Ok someone (or a few more also) is going to be a little richer. I wonder if they are jacking up their own prices somehow? JMO

[PBJMOM4]

Just checked out ebay MJ tickets. Ok someone (or a few more also) is going to be a little richer. I wonder if they are jacking up their own prices somehow? JMO

Last night they were up for a few hundred dollars {and some still are there} yet there are some that are STARTING the bid at 10,000.
did ya see the tickets going for a million? lol!

[kennedy06]

Last night they were up for a few hundred dollars {and some still are there} yet there are some that are STARTING the bid at 10,000.
did ya see the tickets going for a million? lol!

Yes and 30 minutes after sale ending to deposit the money! Checked out the bidders seems it is 2 doing the bidding. That is why I wondered I don't know if that can be done but is a friend possibly jacking up the price or is some rich S. Prince somewhere bidding!

I have had some say to me, no that is awful to try to sell tickets like that, then others say why not. I hope this million dollar seller has like some great need for it.

Still though, I can imagine how many "groups" made an effort to get those tickets some reputable groups some not so reputable in hopes to make some quick cash.

JMO

[kennedy06]

Ok now that one voucher is up to 5 million!! What in the world and that quickly. Hmmm....

JMO

[PBJMOM4]

Ok now that one voucher is up to 5 million!! What in the world and that quickly. Hmmm....

JMO

Crazy about he 5 million bid! Last night, I noticed the same thing {from your post above} Looked like the same "anonymous" name was bidding {and winning} and most ticket offers/bids. I wonder how Staples will do this morning as people start showing up with their vouchers.

[PBJMOM4]

The 5 million is gone, now it's 9 million!
People are either stupid shoppers considering there are tickets for far less up for bid or it's just a big game going on.
People could be bidding some crazy number just to excite the seller.
I know I'd think I was making a killing if something I was selling was bidden on, at 9 million dollars.. Have a feeling that seller will be disappointed by the end of the day.

[GentleBreeze]

There are still quite a few up on ebay. Most of the expensive ones have no bids.

If I was an ardent fan out of respect for his memorial I would never buy a ticket I knew that another was profiting from it that evidently is not a fan.

To me that would be like a fan helping a scalper to make money on MJs death.

imo

[aproudmom]

Dear MJ posters:

Just making a suggestion ..... can we please continue the MJ discussion without rehashing the trial, please ?? I think most of us if not all have reached a conclusion as to what we believe and to rehash the trial only serves to derail the thread from the current issues surrounding his death. I have responded to posts as well -- so this does include me too!

Of course I realize it is your prerogative - so just asking.

Athena I really hate to say it but I have read some of the most horrible disgusting cruel things about a dead man who has not even been laid to rest.. I will say one more time if it was not MJ more than likely no one would be talking so nasty..MJ did not kill himself he had help and we can only hope they will finally do something about this we are losing way to many people not just the rich and famous either more people are addicted to prescription drugs than they are illegal drugs and we are losing so many kids, teens, men, women and very respected people that could be our doctors our preachers our children's teachers, or even a family member or close friend this happens everyday and many people have blood on their hands and the sad thing is no one even cares to say the horrible things about a man whom has 3 children and family and many fans who are grieving and it is very cold hearted and IMO is being said to only get others upset for one no Elected official if true should be saying he is a molester or a pedophile or if they can afford a 25,000 casket then they can pay for the memorial Politicians are not so squeaky clean and alot of famous stars whom most would adore and never talk about in that manner have no clue just how many people get paid off just to make it go away if MJ had fought those allegations in the 90's like he wanted to I think the trial would never have happened he was one of the easiest targets and any parent that would take cash over their child's innocence is sick.. I respect all opinions unless they are untrue or attacking of other posters or just down right being talk to in a mean harsh nasty way as I was yesterday this thread does not say MJ the molester is dead I am not talking about just posters on this forum either I am just saying in general even though I have seen way more good about MJ than bad on alot of sites...and again I am not a crazy MJ fan never was but do appreciate all the good he did and I do read everything I can to me he did not do anything with those children he was a very easy target and he still is even in death as sad as it is for his children at least he can REST IN PEACE because I have truly seen how cruel some can be....

I want to make it very clear I am only giving my opinion and not talking just about people on here I am talking in general and to the ones that feel he was not a good person or whatever I do not care that is your right I did the same at one point but I would never ever say some of the cruel things I have read giving a opinion and being down right cruel is 2 different things..JMO

[kennedy06]

Over 9 million!I agree there are other supposed vouchers, ebay officials and the news have to be watching this also. The news is where I learned last night of the bidding on tickets. If they were paying attention last night they have to be today. I agree there are other tickets unless there is something about this one offering the code to get it. I guess sometime today we will hear it it was for real.

I notice a different seller wanted the bidder to meet them somewhere by a certain time to get their ticket.

Supposedly so much of it (20%) is going to a well known children's charity it says on that 9M one. I looked at the seller been on there since 2001 but that doesn't say much and the bidders are private it seems.

Well all a part of history I guess is the way I look at it if this is for real !

paraphrasing and JMO

[aproudmom]

If I was an ardent fan out of respect for his memorial I would never buy a ticket I knew that another was profiting from it that evidently is not a fan.

To me that would be like a fan helping a scalper to make money on MJs death.

imo

I agree but I think I would rather avoid the crowds and those crazy fans and just watch at home..I am going to the one in Gary I do not think I will be trampled there...lol. I guess it is still going to happen I know the mayor wanted his body guess I should check and see

[Olives]

Athena I really hate to say it but I have read some of the most horrible disgusting cruel things about a dead man who has not even been laid to rest.. I will say one more time if it was not MJ more than likely no one would be talking so nasty..MJ did not kill himself he had help and we can only hope they will finally do something about this we are losing way to many people not just the rich and famous either more people are addicted to prescription drugs than they are illegal drugs and we are losing so many kids, teens, men, women and very respected people that could be our doctors our preachers our children's teachers, or even a family member or close friend this happens everyday and many people have blood on their hands and the sad thing is no one even cares to say the horrible things about a man whom has 3 children and family and many fans who are grieving and it is very cold hearted and IMO is being said to only get others upset for one no Elected official if true should be saying he is a molester or a pedophile or if they can afford a 25,000 casket then they can pay for the memorial Politicians are not so squeaky clean and alot of famous stars whom most would adore and never talk about in that manner have no clue just how many people get paid off just to make it go away if MJ had fought those allegations in the 90's like he wanted to I think the trial would never have happened he was one of the easiest targets and any parent that would take cash over their child's innocence is sick.. I respect all opinions unless they are untrue or attacking of other posters or just down right being talk to in a mean harsh nasty way as I was yesterday this thread does not say MJ the molester is dead I am not talking about just posters on this forum either I am just saying in general even though I have seen way more good about MJ than bad on alot of sites...and again I am not a crazy MJ fan never was but do appreciate all the good he did and I do read everything I can to me he did not do anything with those children he was a very easy target and he still is even in death as sad as it is for his children at least he can REST IN PEACE because I have truly seen how cruel some can be....

I want to make it very clear I am only giving my opinion and not talking just about people on here I am talking in general and to the ones that feel he was not a good person or whatever I do not care that is your right I did the same at one point but I would never ever say some of the cruel things I have read giving a opinion and being down right cruel is 2 different things..JMO

Very good post and I agree with you. I hope that coldwater makes sure that on Tuesday our thread is devoted to celebrating Michael Jackson's life and that all trash talk is kept off. There is a time and place for discussions of his past problems and Tuesday is not that time.

[aproudmom]

Last night they were up for a few hundred dollars {and some still are there} yet there are some that are STARTING the bid at 10,000.
did ya see the tickets going for a million? lol!

:ohmy:a million omg no way

[mrsmcgoo]

Did anyone else see Siedah Garrett sing "Man in The Mirror" on CNN?

It showed her singing the song at church, was amazing!

[Olives]

Did anyone else see Siedah Garrett sing "Man in The Mirror" on CNN?

It showed her singing the song at church, was amazing!

I did last night and you are correct she was fantastic. Perhaps the family will invite her to perform at the Memorial?