Ex-Oiler Steve McNair reportedly shot to death [7/8 comfirmed murder/sucide]

[Caje]

"...Police said it looked like a double homicide. A female victim was also found dead..."

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/6512407.html

[sunstar]

Oh NO! :crying:

[titanfan217]

"...Police said it looked like a double homicide. A female victim was also found dead..."

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/6512407.html


O my.

I'm a major Tennessee Titan fan... He has always been one of my favorites.

[dinojen]

WOW..what is the matter with people... sorry to hear this..:sad:

[kitty1182]

:sad:..............

[FallenAngel♥]

I have a Steve McNair story................ back in 95 or 96 his first season with the Oilers i was at the Texas Childrens Hospital in the basement with a group of local moms getting stuff together for a silent auction for the hospital when in walked Steve. He had such an amazing smile and a giving heart. He donated an old car of his and some of his new Houston Oilers jersey's with his autograph on them.

I just can't imagine anyone wanting to kill his young man :(


God bless Steve and his wife and four precious sons,family, friends and fans :rose:

[sunstar]

Updated article ~

Ex-Titans, Ravens QB McNair shot, killed

updated 21 minutes ago
NASHVILLE, Tenn. - Former NFL quarterback Steve McNair has been shot and killed.

Nashville police spokesman Don Aaron confirmed that police were called to a residence and found McNair and a woman shot to death inside. Aaron said authorities don’t yet know the circumstances of the shooting.

“I don’t have any answers for you now as to what’s happened, who’s responsible,” he said.

more at http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/31739316/ns/sports-nfl/

:rose:

[titanfan217]

I have a Steve McNair story................ back in 95 or 96 his first season with the Oilers i was at the Texas Childrens Hospital in the basement with a group of local moms getting stuff together for a silent auction for the hospital when in walked Steve. He had such an amazing smile and a giving heart. He donated an old car of his and some of his new Houston Oilers jersey's with his autograph on them.

I just can't imagine anyone wanting to kill his young man :(


God bless Steve and his wife and four precious sons,family, friends and fans :rose:

Thanks for sharing.

[sunstar]

Another update ~

Former NFL quarterback McNair killed in Tennessee

excerpt

""There are persons who were around the complex today, visitors, who have been taken to headquarters for questioning, just to see what they know, what they may have seen," Aaron said. "No one is in custody right now."

The condominium where the bodies were found is one that McNair was known to frequent, but police spokeswoman Kristin Mumford could not say whether he was the owner.

Detectives from the police department's centralized homicide unit were on the scene."

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5grrYbARZsg3ruEAqycFPRfNu2EjwD997T8QG0

[AMS]

I am so sad. I'm a big football fan and he was always one of my favorites!!

imo

[emdragon]

I'm simply shocked and sad.

He wasn't one of my favorites but he certainly was far from being at the bottom of my list.

Am waiting on the details and hope it doesn't turn out to be murder suicide. (just heard he was shot in the head)

[Veritas]

OMG, Steve McNair found shot and dead.

I am in shock.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-mcnairkilled&prov=ap&type=lgns

[PoppySeeds]

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=355719

[Scampi]

The death marathon continues, this time in the world of sports. We had McNair here in Maryland with our Ravens a few years ago. Very sad to hear this news.

[sunstar]

More details ~

Former Titans QB Steve McNair Shot To Death

NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- Nashville fire officials and Titans' sources have confirmed that former Titans QB Steve McNair, 36, has been shot to death at a condominium in downtown Nashville.

The circumstances of the shooting were unclear. Someone called police at about 1:30 p.m. Saturday, saying someone had been shot at a condo located at Second Avenue South and Lea Avenue.

McNair was shot in the head.

Police spokesman Don Aaron said a woman, who was not McNair's wife Mechelle, was also found dead with McNair. He said police tentatively have identified the woman but did not release her name.

Mechelle McNair said she had not heard from her husband in a couple of days. She was in the couple's home Saturday on Bear Road in Green Hills.

Aaron ruled out the possibility of a murder-suicide. He also said that the time of the deaths is uncertain and that they may not have occurred Saturday.

A source told Channel 4 News that McNair was seen at about 1 a.m. Saturday at a Nashville restaurant.

"There are persons who were around the complex today, visitors, who have been taken to headquarters for questioning, just to see what they know, what they may have seen," Aaron said. "No one is in custody right now."

Two black SUVs were towed from the scene.

The owner of the building is Charles Cardwell, a well-known Metro trustee. Cardwell said the unit where McNair and the woman were found was rented to Wayne Neeley, who worked or still works at Nashville Sporting Goods as a salesman. Cardwell, who also lived in the building, said the apartment was often vacant but that McNair used it when he came into town.

Neeley had rented the apartment for about four years, said Cardwell, who also said he isn't aware of previous problems at the apartment, which is near McNair's restaurant Gridiron9.

more at http://www.wsmv.com/sports/19950553/detail.html

[Citygirl]

So sad this happened..and the plot thickens, huh?

[Pashie]

Could this be the woman he was found with? I'm sorry, but I cannot tell if this is a male or female name, maybe someone else can tell...but the age fits...

A car registered to Steve McNair and Sahel Kazemi, 20, was stopped two days ago on Broadway.


The driver, Kazemi, was charged with driving under the influence and violating the state’s implied consent law. The car was a 2007 black Cadillac Escalade.

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20090704/SPORTS01/90704025/McNair+s+Escalade+involved+in+DUI+arrest+this+week ++

[sunstar]

Could this be the woman he was found with? I'm sorry, but I cannot tell if this is a male or female name, maybe someone else can tell...but the age fits...



http://www.tennessean.com/article/20090704/SPORTS01/90704025/McNair+s+Escalade+involved+in+DUI+arrest+this+week ++

It's hard to tell. Wouldn't the driver, charged with DUI, be taken to jail? It was only 2 days ago. But the car fits the description of those towed from the scene.

[Pashie]

It's hard to tell. Wouldn't the driver, charged with DUI, be taken to jail? It was only 2 days ago. But the car fits the description of those towed from the scene.

I didn't even think about that. But I did look up the name Sahel. I only found one thing about it, and it suggests that it is a male name. So it may not be her.

But you are right, the car does fit. Puzzling.

[sunstar]

Pashie ~ I just looked at the link you posted again, and it says

"A car registered to Steve McNair and a 20-year-old woman was stopped two days ago on Broadway"

[AMS]

CNN reporting the woman was his girlfriend. Not releasing name yet. Also saying the residence was her condo.

imo

[grammie/va]

WOW I just got in a saw this, so sad, Rest In Peace #9

[titanfan217]

CNN reporting the woman was his girlfriend. Not releasing name yet. Also saying the residence was her condo.

imo

Someone called a Nashville radio station and claimed to know who it was (even gave her name) and that she worked at a restaurant near/in Opry Mills, the main mall.

The apartment owner has given different information as to who the apartment was rented to, but that means nothing.

I just want to remember him with Music City Miracle and the game I saw which was one of his best games ever. That ball was flying. It's almost 400 miles for me to go to a game, so when I go, I say, I don't drive that far to see the team lose. So far, they haven't let me down.

[AMS]

Someone called a Nashville radio station and claimed to know who it was (even gave her name) and that she worked at a restaurant near/in Opry Mills, the main mall.

titanfan - do you know how old his kids are?

[titanfan217]

titanfan - do you know how old his kids are?

No, I don't but don't think they are very old.

Eddie George said on NFL Network that he had visited the family, but I'm not sure where. He was heart broken.

[AMS]

No, I don't but don't think they are very old.

Eddie George said on NFL Network that he had visited the family, but I'm not sure where. He was heart broken.

Thanks. This is just so sad.

[Barbara2]

titanfan - do you know how old his kids are?

The oldest is going to be a senior in high school this coming year. I haven't found the ages of the other 3 yet.

[Barbara2]

It's hard to tell. Wouldn't the driver, charged with DUI, be taken to jail? It was only 2 days ago. But the car fits the description of those towed from the scene.

The driver of the car that got the DUI was his brother-in-law according to this: (but this happened in 2007)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_McNair

On May 9, 2007 McNair was a passenger in a car that was pulled over for suspicion of drunk driving. Both the driver of the vehicle, who is his brother-in-law, and McNair were arrested for driving under the influence. Under Tennessee law, one can still be arrested for DUI even if you are a passenger in your own car and the driver is found to be under the influence. McNair owns the pick-up truck involved and was charged with DUI by consent.[9] The Charges were dropped on July 10, 2007.[10]

[titanfan217]

So is this a murder suicide or just a double murder?

Any ideas from TN?

I don't think they know yet. I read something that a murder suicide had been ruled but I heard someone from LE say that they had not ruled anything out yet and a murder suicide was mentioned.

I'm not in Tennessee but picked up a radio station, called The Zone on the internet. Their station is almost next to the crime scene.

Most fans are in such shock that I don't think many have thought that far.

[sunstar]

So is this a murder suicide or just a double murder?

Any ideas from TN?

Only one source said anything about a murder/suicide, and most have just mentioned the homicide investigators at the scene and that a suspect is not in custody. MOO

[Barbara2]

titanfan - do you know how old his kids are?

I found one link that says he has four sons ages 4-16.

[AMS]

I found one link that says he has four sons ages 4-16.

Thank you.

[titanfan217]

Is he still married because the woman that he was found with was allegedly his girlfriend?

:rose: For the McNair family

I believe they are still married.

[titanfan217]

I found one link that says he has four sons ages 4-16.

Could you PM me the link?

[sunstar]

The driver of the car that got the DUI was his brother-in-law according to this: (but this happened in 2007)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_McNair

Apparently there was another DUI incident just two days ago with somebody else driving his Escalade.

[Barbara2]

Apparently there was another DUI incident just two days ago with somebody else driving his Escalade.

I just thought the first link was interesting in explaining that in Tennessee even the passenger can be charged with DUI. That's good to know if you ever go to TN.

[sunstar]

I just thought the first link was interesting in explaining that in Tennessee even the passenger can be charged with DUI. That's good to know if you ever go to TN.

That is good to know! :scared:

[Pashie]

Pashie ~ I just looked at the link you posted again, and it says

"A car registered to Steve McNair and a 20-year-old woman was stopped two days ago on Broadway"

Oh sheesh...I didn't even notice that!

[sunstar]

Oh sheesh...I didn't even notice that!

It's ok ~ I missed it the first time too because I'd read what you posted here as the excerpt! :smile:

[titanfan217]

The Tennessean has released the name of the other victim. I believe it is the same one. There are other articles and photos on the newspaper site. This should be our most reliable source.

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20090704/SPORTS01/90704013

[AJandTam]

Wow, wouldn't this be considered another celeb type death?

[lune3]

The Tennessean has released the name of the other victim. I believe it is the same one. There are other articles and photos on the newspaper site. This should be our most reliable source.

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20090704/SPORTS01/90704013

Kazemi had been living with her previous boyfriend for 4 years, since she was sixteen, and had been living in her family's home together before that? Wow.
"They had been living together for four years, since they moved from her family’s home in Jacksonville, Fla., to Nashville."

What a terrible tragedy.

[emdragon]

why dont you read the post correctly the link CLEARLY says a WOMEN

no wonder the world is in such a mess when folks cant even comprehend a post written in plain every day english

Perhaps you should back up and think before you type.

When Pashi made that post the victim had not yet been released. The article did not say at that time it was a woman who was driving and got the DUI.

Maybe you are unaware that articles online are updated as the information comes in.

[titanfan217]

why dont you read the post correctly the link CLEARLY says a WOMEN

no wonder the world is in such a mess when folks cant even comprehend a post written in plain every day english

I believe the previous reference to whether the name was usually a man or woman.

[emdragon]

I believe the previous reference to whether the name was usually a man or woman.

Just wanted to say my thoughts are with the fans of all the teams Steve played for but most especially the Oilers/Titans.

As a Bronco fan I've been were you are in 2007 when we lost Darrent Williams and Damien Nash.

[titanfan217]

Just wanted to say my thoughts are with the fans of all the teams Steve played for but most especially the Oilers/Titans.

As a Bronco fan I've been were you are in 2007 when we lost Darrent Williams and Damien Nash.

Thank you. One of my best friends is a Broncos fan who felt that also, plus I'm a diehard St Louis Cardinals fan and we've been through it twice.

As the Nashville sports radio guy said today, 4th of July will never seem the same.

[funkyflower]

http://www.newschannel5.com/global/story.asp?s=10644821
Below is more of the developing story. www.newschannel5.com is a good source for more info.

RIP #9, my biggest football hero!:crying:

NASHVILLE, Tenn.- Saturday Metro police announced that former Titan Steve McNair was murdered. Police also reported that a female was murdered.

NewsChannel 5 Investigates learned Saturday night that there was a bizarre incident involving McNair and that young woman who was also found dead with him Saturday. That woman was arrested two days ago on DUI charges.

NewsChannel5's chief investigative reporter Phil Williams dug up the arrest documents and uncovered a connection McNair had to the woman.

The young woman, Sahel Kazemi, was arrested just before 2 a.m. Thursday after an officer spotted her speeding down Broadway. Kazemi was driving a black, 2007 Cadillac Escalade that, according to public records, she owned along with McNair. McNair was in the vehicle at the time Kazemi was pulled over; however, he was not charged with anything and was allowed to leave. He left in a taxi.

The vehicle is registered at the address of McNair's restaurant on Jefferson Street.

According to the arrest affidavit, Kazemi's "eyes were bloodshot and watery. She had an obvious odor of an alcoholic beverage coming from her breath but denied any consumption." According to the police report, "She said she was not drunk but high."

Click here to read the arresting officer's affidavit

Kazemi was arrested by the same officer who arrested McNair on DUI charges in 2003. That officer's name is Shawn Taylor. The 2003 case was thrown out after a judge ruled Taylor did not have probable cause to stop McNair.

According to public records, Kazemi moved to Nashville from Orange Park, Fla.

The bonding company that bailed her out refused to say if McNair was on the one who posted her bond.

In a press conference, Don Aaron with Metro Police said McNair was shot multiple times, and Kazemi was shot once in the head.

McNair was found seated on the couch. Kazemi was found on the floor in the living room with a pistol near her body.

Kazemi was an employee of Dave and Busters at Opry Mills mall.

[NatalieB]

Perhaps you should back up and think before you type.

When Pashi made that post the victim had not yet been released. The article did not say at that time it was a woman who was driving and got the DUI.

Maybe you are unaware that articles online are updated as the information comes in.

This may be true, but even if it weren't, JohnA could certainly use a lesson in manners.

[NatalieB]

I think we have moderators for that kind of thing. We've been told NOT to correct poster's. JMO

You surely wouldn't be scolding me while turning around doing the exact same thing you're telling me not do, would you?

That aside, I didn't correct the poster, I simply said he could use a lesson in manners. CW will take care of bannings and deleting of posts if she's so inclined. Emdragon is the one who corrected him, and rightfully so, IMO.

HAGN

[NatalieB]

I think we have moderators for that kind of thing. We've been told NOT to correct poster's. JMO

BTW too, maybe you could point me in the direction where CW has stated we are not to correct posters? This board is for discussing events and if people went unchallenged, or uncorrected, what's the point of being here?

If she's said that, I have NEVER read it. I do not visit all boards however and could likely have missed it.

[AMS]

Perhaps you should back up and think before you type.

When Pashi made that post the victim had not yet been released. The article did not say at that time it was a woman who was driving and got the DUI.

Maybe you are unaware that articles online are updated as the information comes in.

That's exactly what happened. Thanks emdragon for explaining this to all.

imo

[Katt2]

why dont you read the post correctly the link CLEARLY says a WOMEN

no wonder the world is in such a mess when folks cant even comprehend a post written in plain every day english

Perhaps if you are going to chastise another poster and correct her, the same should be expected of you to comprehend a clearly written post. The link clearly says WOMAN not WOMEN!

[R~O~S]

Back on topic:

It appears they're leaning toward murder/suicide pending the autopsy results. McNair shot multiple times, the woman once in the chest.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4306275

Police said the 36-year-old McNair was found on the sofa in the living room, and Kazemi was very close to him on the floor. Aaron said the gun was not "readily apparent" when police first arrived.

Autopsies were planned for Sunday.

Aaron said McNair's wife, Mechelle, is "very distraught."

"At this juncture, we do not believe she is involved," he said. "Nothing has been ruled out, but as far as actively looking for a suspect tonight, the answer would be no."


She was a very pretty girl, there's video at the link with her pic.

Steve was only married once, for twelve years, and he was still married to Mechelle. He was always a good role model, I hope this doesn't result in a lot of unseemly details. The loss to his family without that is devastating enough.

RIP ~ Steve :rose:

[Pashie]

I wonder why no one heard multiple gunshots?

[CindR]

why dont you read the post correctly the link CLEARLY says a WOMEN

no wonder the world is in such a mess when folks cant even comprehend a post written in plain every day english

I am certain I know what the "A" in your nic stands for. :punch:

[mrsmcgoo]

I wonder why no one heard multiple gunshots?

I wondered this also.

I am not familiar with football players, but the team he played for made a very touching public statement about this man.

So sad for his family and in particular his children. :crying:

[Pashie]

Back on topic:

It appears they're leaning toward murder/suicide pending the autopsy results. McNair shot multiple times, the woman once in the chest.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4306275




She was a very pretty girl, there's video at the link with her pic.

Steve was only married once, for twelve years, and he was still married to Mechelle. He was always a good role model, I hope this doesn't result in a lot of unseemly details. The loss to his family without that is devastating enough.

RIP ~ Steve :rose:


I also heard on the video, that the co-owner of the condo, called someone else BEFORE calling 911...that it was actually that friend that made the call.

Why isn't it peoples 1st thought to call 911? I don't get it.

[Scampi]

Perhaps if you are going to chastise another poster and correct her, the same should be expected of you to comprehend a clearly written post. The link clearly says WOMAN not WOMEN!

An excellent point! :wink:

Hiya Rossie, too sad about McNair, he served the Ravens well when we had him. May he Rest in Peace now.

[peggyleggy]

I am certain I know what the "A" in your nic stands for. :punch:

Articulate?

[hiitsme]

I am certain I know what the "A" in your nic stands for. :punch:


Too funny! I laughed out loud for sure.

[R~O~S]

I also heard on the video, that the co-owner of the condo, called someone else BEFORE calling 911...that it was actually that friend that made the call.

Why isn't it peoples 1st thought to call 911? I don't get it.


I found it really strange, they said he didn't realize there was anything wrong at first. He went to the kitchen to call someone. Is it not strange to find a woman laying motionless on the living room floor, even if you didn't see the blood?

I would expect someone sleeping in unfamiliar surroundings to at least move when someone comes into the house & walks through the room.

I don't find it all that strange than nobody called re the shots, given it's the 4th of July. There have been fireworks going off in my neighborhood for two weeks now. Some of them are really loud, I have triple pain windows, they have to make a lot of noise for me to hear them & they've sounded loud to me.

[CindR]

Articulate?

You must be making all As at the school you're attending. :laugh:

[R~O~S]

An excellent point! :wink:

Hiya Rossie, too sad about McNair, he served the Ravens well when we had him. May he Rest in Peace now.

Scamp I'm so shocked. My prayers for his family, the children are so young.

I deeply hope he'll be remembered for the good man he was, the good role model & family man. The proud and successful man who took the right roads. I do not want to see this end up a scandal.

[Pashie]

I found it really strange, they said he didn't realize there was anything wrong at first. He went to the kitchen to call someone. Is it not strange to find a woman laying motionless on the living room floor, even if you didn't see the blood?

I would expect someone sleeping in unfamiliar surroundings to at least move when someone comes into the house & walks through the room.

I don't find it all that strange than nobody called re the shots, given it's the 4th of July. There have been fireworks going off in my neighborhood for two weeks now. Some of them are really loud, I have triple pain windows, they have to make a lot of noise for me to hear them & they've sounded loud to me.
I had the same thoughts about thinking nothing was wrong with her lying on the floor. I thought "wow, this guy must have seen a lot of wild parties to think this was nothing out of the ordinary."

I didn't even think about the 4th of july, and fireworks possibly being the reason no one reported it.

[Scampi]

Scamp I'm so shocked. My prayers for his family, the children are so young.

I deeply hope he'll be remembered for the good man he was, the good role model & family man. The proud and successful man who took the right roads. I do not want to see this end up a scandal.

Very sad, but just as in Michael Jackson's case, no matter what the circumstances of this death, imo no one can take away the good that Steve McNair accomplished in his life.

[Spring]

I'm just shocked. Steve was the TN Titans. I'll never forget what a great QB and a good man he was. RIP Steve.

This link gives a lot of info.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=An7spHAQF9Tt0fUCVOpafQ1DubYF?slug=ap-mcnairkilled&prov=ap&type=lgns

[FallenAngel♥]

Very sad, but just as in Michael Jackson's case, no matter what the circumstances of this death, imo no one can take away the good that Steve McNair accomplished in his life.

Amen ITA.....SM was such a nice man. I'm shocked by all of this :(

[FallenAngel♥]

I just can't imagine what his wife and four boys are going through today........ How in the world will she ever be able to explain this to them?

[Citygirl]

Wow, wouldn't this be considered another celeb type death?


Yes it would Tam..:seeya: some want to stop countin at 3 then start over again so the old sayin still fits..

How tragic this whole thing is..loss of two lives and all the sordid details comin out in the investigation and his poor innocent family havin to read it all..I am so sorry for his wife and children..
a good man would never have taken the risk of something like this happenin to his family.

[R~O~S]

Yes it would Tam..:seeya: some want to stop countin at 3 then start over again so the old sayin still fits..

How tragic this whole thing is..loss of two lives and all the sordid details comin out in the investigation and his poor innocent family havin to read it all..I am so sorry for his wife and children..
a good man would never have taken the risk of something like this happenin to his family.

Seriously, we don't know what happened. We have no idea why that girl was there, or why it ended as it did. For all you know she talked her way into that apartment under false pretenses & has nothing but the most casual acquaintance with McNair.

The insinuation that somehow he chose to be put in a scandalous situation without concern for his family is exactly the speculation that should be with held until we do know those things.

It's simply wrong to accuse this man who's never led anything but a respectable life without factual reason.

[titanfan217]

I wondered this also.

I am not familiar with football players, but the team he played for made a very touching public statement about this man.

So sad for his family and in particular his children. :crying:

There are some NFL players that give the game a bad name.

McNair had a couple of prior issues which made the news because he was Steve McNair. In one, he took full responsibility, and used it for education. The other one, I believe was posted here (I read so many site yesterday my neck was sore) was based upon a Tennessee law, and that's just what it was.

McNair knew what some players haven't learned yet. Playing in the NFL is a priviledge, not a right. You could tell he loved the game and there was any way he could play, he did it. I can't tell you how many weeks he didn't practice because he physically could not do it, but game time there he was. Sure he had bad games. They all do, but it wasn't because he was using those injuries as excuses.

When McNair left the team, it was not pretty. Yes, his former coaches (head coach Jeff Fisher has been out of the country visiting servicemen), former teammates, other NFL, and Titans owner give him glowing praises because it's true and everyone including McNair has put the past away. He will forever be a Titan in most of our hearts there will be never be another #9 for Titan fans.

[ABC]

Yes it would Tam..:seeya: some want to stop countin at 3 then start over again so the old sayin still fits..

How tragic this whole thing is..loss of two lives and all the sordid details comin out in the investigation and his poor innocent family havin to read it all..I am so sorry for his wife and children..
a good man would never have taken the risk of something like this happenin to his family.

Any idea of who shot who?

[R~O~S]

Any idea of who shot who?

McNair was shot multiple times, once in the head. The woman once in the chest, the gun found very near her but not immediately visible.

I expect we'll find out the gun was under her body & not found until after her body was removed by the ME.

[AJandTam]

Yes it would Tam..:seeya: some want to stop countin at 3 then start over again so the old sayin still fits..

How tragic this whole thing is..loss of two lives and all the sordid details comin out in the investigation and his poor innocent family havin to read it all..I am so sorry for his wife and children..
a good man would never have taken the risk of something like this happenin to his family.


Hey CG, Good to see you. Wow, if we were famous, we'd be hiding under the bed about now huh?

Yep, I agree. Pretty sad...

[AJandTam]

Seriously, we don't know what happened. We have no idea why that girl was there, or why it ended as it did. For all you know she talked her way into that apartment under false pretenses & has nothing but the most casual acquaintance with McNair.

The insinuation that somehow he chose to be put in a scandalous situation without concern for his family is exactly the speculation that should be with held until we do know those things.

It's simply wrong to accuse this man who's never led anything but a respectable life without factual reason.

Am I wrong or did she not get arrested in his vehicle on thurs before they got killed? and he was w/her??

[FallenAngel♥]

Am I wrong or did she not get arrested in his vehicle on thurs before they got killed? and he was w/her??

Yes she was and Yes he was..........

[AJandTam]

Any idea of who shot who?

Are we sure this was a murder suicide? As McNair was shot multiple times, and she was shot in the chest.. People don't usually shoot themselves in the chest when they are killing themselves, that's kind of hard to do., . This really sounds more like someone else did it to them, at least to me it does..

[FallenAngel♥]

Are we sure this was a murder suicide? As McNair was shot multiple times, and she was shot in the chest.. People don't usually shoot themselves in the chest when they are killing themselves, that's kind of hard to do., . This really sounds more like someone else did it to them, at least to me it does..

OMG.............she was shot in the HEAD once.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/2009/07/04/2009-07-04_former_nfl_quarterback_steve_mcnair_found_shot_ dead_in_nashville_report.html

[annalyzer]

excerpt ~ McNair, 36, who was married and had four children, had reportedly been dating Kazemi for a few months. They met at a Dave & Buster's restaurant where Kazemi worked, her former boyfriend told the Tennessean newspaper.

Neighbors of Kazemi told the paper they often spotted McNair visiting her apartment. At times, she returned home in a black limousine, and not long ago, she showed up with a brand new Cadillac Escalade she said was a gift from her boyfriend.

"She is the sweetest girl, and she did not deserve this," Kazemi's ex-beau, Keith Norfleet, told the newspaper upon learning of her death. "He was making her believe they were going to be together, and everything would be perfect."

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/2009/07/04/2009-07-04_former_nfl_quarterback_steve_mcnair_found_shot_ dead_in_nashville_report.html

[AJandTam]

ummmmmmmmmm she was shot once in the HEAD



http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/2009/07/04/2009-07-04_former_nfl_quarterback_steve_mcnair_found_shot_ dead_in_nashville_report.html

Kind of confusing eh? If she was shot in the head. That sounds like maybe a murder suicide type thing, if she was shot in the chest then probably not.. Media reports. Grrrrr

[AJandTam]

OMG.............she was shot in the HEAD once.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/2009/07/04/2009-07-04_former_nfl_quarterback_steve_mcnair_found_shot_ dead_in_nashville_report.html

Yep, sounds like maybe after the arrest in a vehicle belonging to both of them, he was afraid he was busted, so he decided to dump her, and she didn't take it well?

[FallenAngel♥]

Yep, sounds like maybe after the arrest in a vehicle belonging to both of them, he was afraid he was busted, so he decided to dump her, and she didn't take it well?

that's my thoughts........

[FallenAngel♥]

Kind of confusing eh? If she was shot in the head. That sounds like maybe a murder suicide type thing, if she was shot in the chest then probably not.. Media reports. Grrrrr

yeah they are now saying it was murder suicide

Retired NFL QB Steve McNair killed in murder-suicide by 20-year-old woman

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/2009/07/04/2009-07-04_former_nfl_quarterback_steve_mcnair_found_shot_ dead_in_nashville_report.html#ixzz0KP1OAdhg&D

[R~O~S]

Am I wrong or did she not get arrested in his vehicle on thurs before they got killed? and he was w/her??

Yes, she was driving, he was the passenger. She was arrested, he left in a cab.

That still doesn't indicate anything more than she gave him a ride.

She could have been interested in buying a piece of memorabilia he was selling, she could be more of an acquaintance of the person he co-owns the condo with.

What we know is he was found sitting on a sofa, she was found on the floor of the living room.

Should I have run to the divorce lawyer when my husband drove home an intoxicated co-worker from an office party because she was female? Or should I know that my husband was concerned for a young girl, young enough to be his daughter and not willing to entrust her to the younger guys that were chomping at the bit to get her in their car when she couldn't walk let alone make good decisions for herself?

Granted it helped a lot that he couldn't tell me the story fast enough when he came in the door & he wasn't worried about telling me, he was very upset with what he thought would happen had she gone with anyone else.

[annalyzer]

Yes, she was driving, he was the passenger. She was arrested, he left in a cab.

That still doesn't indicate anything more than she gave him a ride.

She could have been interested in buying a piece of memorabilia he was selling, she could be more of an acquaintance of the person he co-owns the condo with.

What we know is he was found sitting on a sofa, she was found on the floor of the living room.

Should I have run to the divorce lawyer when my husband drove home an intoxicated co-worker from an office party because she was female? Or should I know that my husband was concerned for a young girl, young enough to be his daughter and not willing to entrust her to the younger guys that were chomping at the bit to get her in their car when she couldn't walk let alone make good decisions for herself?

Granted it helped a lot that he couldn't tell me the story fast enough when he came in the door & he wasn't worried about telling me, he was very upset with what he thought would happen had she gone with anyone else.

Um, better read up.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/2009/07/04/2009-07-04_former_nfl_quarterback_steve_mcnair_found_shot_ dead_in_nashville_report.html

[R~O~S]

ummmmmmmmmm she was shot once in the HEAD



http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/2009/07/04/2009-07-04_former_nfl_quarterback_steve_mcnair_found_shot_ dead_in_nashville_report.html

Ty, the article I read earlier said chest. It is a developing story, yesterday they didn't know there was a gun in the apartment. Perhaps we need to wait until the autopsy to be certain who/what/when as well as speculating on the circumstances.

[AJandTam]

Yes, she was driving, he was the passenger. She was arrested, he left in a cab.

That still doesn't indicate anything more than she gave him a ride.

She could have been interested in buying a piece of memorabilia he was selling, she could be more of an acquaintance of the person he co-owns the condo with.

What we know is he was found sitting on a sofa, she was found on the floor of the living room.

Should I have run to the divorce lawyer when my husband drove home an intoxicated co-worker from an office party because she was female? Or should I know that my husband was concerned for a young girl, young enough to be his daughter and not willing to entrust her to the younger guys that were chomping at the bit to get her in their car when she couldn't walk let alone make good decisions for herself?

Granted it helped a lot that he couldn't tell me the story fast enough when he came in the door & he wasn't worried about telling me, he was very upset with what he thought would happen had she gone with anyone else.

Ros, the vehicle was in both of thier names. This guy had his hand in the cookie jar..Reports are now confirming it, but I think most people figured that out pretty quickly, there could have been a different explaination but not likely.. . I was kind of hoping that maybe she was a long lost daughter from a youthful mistake, but it doesn't look like it..

The rest I won't comment on.

[R~O~S]

Ros, the vehicle was in both of thier names. This guy had his hand in the cookie jar..Reports are now confirming it, but I think most people figured that out pretty quickly, there could have been a different explaination but not likely.. . I was kind of hoping that maybe she was a long lost daughter from a youthful mistake, but it doesn't look like it..

The rest I won't comment on.


damn

not you AJ, I just don't want it to be true.

[n/t]

Ros, the vehicle was in both of thier names. This guy had his hand in the cookie jar..Reports are now confirming it, but I think most people figured that out pretty quickly, there could have been a different explaination but not likely.. . I was kind of hoping that maybe she was a long lost daughter from a youthful mistake, but it doesn't look like it..

The rest I won't comment on.

I've read several articles and most are saying they were in a relationship.
===

Although Aaron described Kazemi as McNair's "friend," a law enforcement source close to the investigation said that the woman is McNair's girlfriend and that the residence is her condominium in downtown Nashville.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/07/04/mcnair.shooting/index.html


An unnamed employee of the restaurant told WSMV reporter Deanna Lambert that McNair and Kazemi "met there months ago and he is under the impression that the two had been in a relationship for about six to eight months," Lambert told CTV News Channel on Sunday morning.

http://news.sympatico.msn.ctv.ca/abc/home/contentposting.aspx?isfa=1&feedname=CTV-TOPSTORIES_V3&showbyline=True&date=true&newsitemid=CTVNews%2f20090705%2fmcnair_autopsy_090 705


My question is how can LE say they're not looking for suspects??? How do they know this was a murder/suicide?

[AJandTam]

damn

not you AJ, I just don't want it to be true.

I hear ya ROS, I didn't either. I was truly hoping for the slim chance that she was his daughter or something.. That happens. Celebs hide mistakes from before they became famous. Sadly, this is not the case. I go to that mall every so often.. Sad, now i'll remember this every time I do..

[AJandTam]

I've read several articles and most are saying they were in a relationship.
===

Although Aaron described Kazemi as McNair's "friend," a law enforcement source close to the investigation said that the woman is McNair's girlfriend and that the residence is her condominium in downtown Nashville.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/07/04/mcnair.shooting/index.html


An unnamed employee of the restaurant told WSMV reporter Deanna Lambert that McNair and Kazemi "met there months ago and he is under the impression that the two had been in a relationship for about six to eight months," Lambert told CTV News Channel on Sunday morning.

http://news.sympatico.msn.ctv.ca/abc/home/contentposting.aspx?isfa=1&feedname=CTV-TOPSTORIES_V3&showbyline=True&date=true&newsitemid=CTVNews%2f20090705%2fmcnair_autopsy_090 705


My question is how can LE say they're not looking for suspects??? How do they know this was a murder/suicide?

I would guess that there were indications at the scene that made them think that. Maybe like another poster said, the gun was found under her or something.. We still have to wait and see...but sounds like they are pretty sure..

[Veritas]

I don't know why, but this song seems like a fitting tribute to Steve McNair.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84b949k8HCw


He was not a perfect man, but then again, no one is.

My husband really liked Steve. Shocked that he is gone. :rose;

[sunstar]

OMG.............she was shot in the HEAD once.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/2009/07/04/2009-07-04_former_nfl_quarterback_steve_mcnair_found_shot_ dead_in_nashville_report.html

I heard the same thing after I logged off here last night and was watching ESPN to get some kind of update. They also said a gun was found by her. So it looks like she killed him and then herself. :mad: ESPN also confirmed that she had gotten a DUI 2 days before and apparently Steve was in the passenger seat. MOO

[sunstar]

I've read several articles and most are saying they were in a relationship.
===

(snipped for space)


My question is how can LE say they're not looking for suspects??? How do they know this was a murder/suicide?
LE can tell whose prints are on the gun, the position of the gun, blood spatter, and so forth ~ in other words it wouldn't take long to tell who fired the gun. MOO

[titanfan217]

Nashville police have said they will have more information today. I'm monitoring one station and have another one to switch to if I get blocked out 'cause of a MLB game.

If I get word as to time, will try to post. I would imagine NFL Network and/or ESPN will pick it up.

[sunstar]

Nashville police have said they will have more information today. I'm monitoring one station and have another one to switch to if I get blocked out 'cause of a MLB game.

If I get word as to time, will try to post. I would imagine NFL Network and/or ESPN will pick it up.

Thanks so much! I couldn't find anything on the news late last night either so I turned on SportsCenter to get the latest. :smile:

[sunstar]

Ex-QB McNair, reported girlfriend found dead

NBCSports.com news services
updated 11 minutes ago
NASHVILLE, Tenn. - The shooting death of former NFL quarterback Steve McNair raised questions Sunday about his relationship with the 20-year-old woman whose body was found alongside him in his downtown condominium.

McNair, a four-time Pro Bowl selection who was married with four children, was found Saturday with multiple gunshot wounds on a sofa in his living room. The woman was killed by a single gunshot wound and a pistol was discovered near her, police said.

McNair and Sahel Kazemi had apparently been dating for several months, the Tennessean reported Sunday.

Authorities didn’t immediately say who was to blame for the killings, but they weren’t looking for any suspects.

Robert Gaddy called 911 after being alerted by a friend that something was wrong with McNair. Gaddy had been friends with McNair since they played at Alcorn State. Police asked him not to discuss what he saw in the condo or McNair’s relationship with Kazemi.

“I want people to know that Steve did not deserve this. A person as great as Steve McNair did not deserve to have his life ended in such a fashion,” Gaddy told The Associated Press on Sunday morning.

McNair, 36, and Kazemi were together just two days earlier, when she was pulled over driving a 2007 Escalade registered to her and McNair. She was arrested on a DUI charges, and he was allowed to leave in a taxi.

McNair and Kazemi apparently knew each other from a restaurant the quarterback and his family frequented, but workers there wouldn’t talk about their relationship. Police also declined to release any details about their relationship, simply calling Kazemi a “friend.”

But a neighbor saw McNair, 36, at Kazemi’s apartment so often — two to three times a week — that he thought McNair had moved in. McNair never tried to hide his presence but kept to himself.

An ex-boyfriend told the Tennessean he was worried about Kazemi dating McNair becaue he was married.

“She is the sweetest girl, and she did not deserve this,” said Keith Norfleet, her ex-boyfriend, according to the newspaper. “He (McNair) was making her believe they were going to be together and everything would be perfect.”

Norfleet said he thought Kazemi was planning to break up with McNair, the Tennessean reported.

more at http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/31739316/ns/sports-nfl/


(bolding mine)

Conflicting opinions coming out already. I don't feel sorry for the one who pulled the trigger. :mad: MOO

[sunstar]

Ros, the vehicle was in both of thier names. This guy had his hand in the cookie jar..Reports are now confirming it, but I think most people figured that out pretty quickly, there could have been a different explaination but not likely.. . I was kind of hoping that maybe she was a long lost daughter from a youthful mistake, but it doesn't look like it..

The rest I won't comment on.

I pretty much thought she was a girlfriend yesterday when the story first broke, but now that it seems she killed him and then herself ~ well, no matter what he was doing in his marriage (and I don't necessarily approve of it), he didn't deserve to be murdered. :sad: MOO

[sunstar]

Honestly, as soon as I heard the registration to the car they were driving when stopped for a DUI was registered in both their names and he was married -- IMO I believed he was dumping her and the rest .............

News reports are saying the wife is "shocked" So sad for the wife and children :rose:
I feel so sorry for his wife and children. :crying: I think the g/f could've still been upset about the DUI and being arrested while he went home in the taxi. From what somebody posted here last night it seems a passenger can be equally responsible if the driver is DUI. But whatever ~ he didn't deserve to be murdered. MOO

[daddydidit]

I feel so sorry for his wife and children. :crying: I think the g/f could've still been upset about the DUI and being arrested while he went home in the taxi. From what somebody posted here last night it seems a passenger can be equally responsible if the driver is DUI. But whatever ~ he didn't deserve to be murdered. MOO

I THINK the law in TN is that if the driver is driving under the influence , the owner of the vehicle can be charged just as if they were driving. Seems like it's called DUI by consent.

[SDMermaid]

I knew it. As soon as I heard he was shot more then once and she was just shot in the head once with the gun by her side I knew she did it. I feel for his wife and kids. Looks like Steve was messing around on his wife and got caught and tried to get out of the relationship and the g/f wasn't going to let him go.


yeah they are now saying it was murder suicide

Retired NFL QB Steve McNair killed in murder-suicide by 20-year-old woman

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/2009/07/04/2009-07-04_former_nfl_quarterback_steve_mcnair_found_shot_ dead_in_nashville_report.html#ixzz0KP1OAdhg&D

[Pashie]

TMZ now has pictures of Steve and Sahel Vacationing together...para sailing etc.

[AJandTam]

Honestly, as soon as I heard the registration to the car they were driving when stopped for a DUI was registered in both their names and he was married -- IMO I believed he was dumping her and the rest .............

News reports are saying the wife is "shocked" So sad for the wife and children :rose:

Same here..

[SDMermaid]

It has been reported that Steve has visited her many times and they have been dating for 4 months so your theories aren't going to get him off the hook. He was cheating on his wife and now he's dead because of messing around with a psycho g/f.


Yes, she was driving, he was the passenger. She was arrested, he left in a cab.

That still doesn't indicate anything more than she gave him a ride.

She could have been interested in buying a piece of memorabilia he was selling, she could be more of an acquaintance of the person he co-owns the condo with.

What we know is he was found sitting on a sofa, she was found on the floor of the living room.

Should I have run to the divorce lawyer when my husband drove home an intoxicated co-worker from an office party because she was female? Or should I know that my husband was concerned for a young girl, young enough to be his daughter and not willing to entrust her to the younger guys that were chomping at the bit to get her in their car when she couldn't walk let alone make good decisions for herself?

Granted it helped a lot that he couldn't tell me the story fast enough when he came in the door & he wasn't worried about telling me, he was very upset with what he thought would happen had she gone with anyone else.

[titanfan217]

I've read several articles and most are saying they were in a relationship.
===

Although Aaron described Kazemi as McNair's "friend," a law enforcement source close to the investigation said that the woman is McNair's girlfriend and that the residence is her condominium in downtown Nashville.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/07/04/mcnair.shooting/index.html


An unnamed employee of the restaurant told WSMV reporter Deanna Lambert that McNair and Kazemi "met there months ago and he is under the impression that the two had been in a relationship for about six to eight months," Lambert told CTV News Channel on Sunday morning.

http://news.sympatico.msn.ctv.ca/abc/home/contentposting.aspx?isfa=1&feedname=CTV-TOPSTORIES_V3&showbyline=True&date=true&newsitemid=CTVNews%2f20090705%2fmcnair_autopsy_090 705


My question is how can LE say they're not looking for suspects??? How do they know this was a murder/suicide?

Another source, referred to another apartment being searched, and that was the female's apartment. It was in Hermitage which is east of Nashville, though hard to tell when you're in one place or the other.

I believe the source was the Nashville newspaper, and if I find it will post it.

[titanfan217]

I THINK the law in TN is that if the driver is driving under the influence , the owner of the vehicle can be charged just as if they were driving. Seems like it's called DUI by consent.

Yes, he'd be "caught" on that one before with a relative, think brother-in-law.

[daddydidit]

I THINK the law in TN is that if the driver is driving under the influence , the owner of the vehicle can be charged just as if they were driving. Seems like it's called DUI by consent.

This is from the 2007 incident, but it explains the law about this:

updated 6:10 p.m. ET, Thurs., May 10, 2007
NASHVILLE, Tenn. - Baltimore Ravens quarterback Steve McNair was charged with driving under the influence Thursday even though police said his brother-in-law was behind the wheel of the pickup registered to the former Tennessee Titan.
Although McNair was just a passenger, he was charged with a misdemeanor under a Tennessee law that prohibits a vehicle owner from letting it be driven by someone who is inebriated.

Although McNair was just a passenger, he was charged with a misdemeanor under a Tennessee law that prohibits a vehicle owner from letting it be driven by someone who is inebriated.
Police said officer Harold Taylor pulled over McNair’s 2003 Dodge pickup just before midnight Wednesday because it was speeding. The driver, 31-year-old Jamie Cartwright, smelled of alcohol, failed a field sobriety test and refused to take a breath alcohol test, police spokesman Don Aaron said.
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/18591782/

[SDMermaid]

The thing is how did the wife not know he was cheating because he would be visiting his g/f like 3-4 times a week where did his wife think he was because he was retired from play football. If my husband didn't come home for 2 days I would definitely think something was going on. So how can the wife be shocked?


Honestly, as soon as I heard the registration to the car they were driving when stopped for a DUI was registered in both their names and he was married -- IMO I believed he was dumping her and the rest .............

News reports are saying the wife is "shocked" So sad for the wife and children :rose:

[titanfan217]

The thing is how did the wife not know he was cheating because he would be visiting his g/f like 3-4 times a week where did his wife think he was because he was retired from play football. If my husband didn't come home for 2 days I would definitely think something was going on. So how can the wife be shocked?

He had just opened a restaurant in Nashville and reports are that he was hands-on with that.

I believe he has 2 homes, one near Nashville and the other in Mississippi.

[sunstar]

I THINK the law in TN is that if the driver is driving under the influence , the owner of the vehicle can be charged just as if they were driving. Seems like it's called DUI by consent.

Oh maybe I misread last night's post ~ but Steve was also reported to be one of the registered owners of the Escalade.

[daddydidit]

Oh maybe I misread last night's post ~ but Steve was also reported to be one of the registered owners of the Escalade.

That's the way I took it, too - I was wondering why no charges from this incident since it is a "misdemeanor under Tennessee law that prohibits a vehicle owner from letting it be driven by someone who is inebriated".

[sunstar]

That's the way I took it, too - I was wondering why no charges from this incident since it is a "misdemeanor under Tennessee law that prohibits a vehicle owner from letting it be driven by someone who is inebriated".

It seems possible to me this DUI incident two days before the murder started the whole thing that led up to his death. I had read the vehicle was also in her name, would that have made a difference? Or did LE let him go because of who he was? If the vehicle was registered to her also, did he threaten to take it away from her? Something must have set her off. MOO

[sunstar]

Kazemi's sister: "She would never kill anyone, ever"

The sister of Sahel Kazemi says she was a young woman who wanted to have fun and couldn't have hurt anyone - not herself, nor anyone else.

Kazemi was actually the aunt of Sepideh Salmani, but they were raised as sisters. Salmani's mother adopted her when she was 9, after Kazemi's mother was killed in their native Iran. Salmani talked to her sister every day, and said she was very happy in her relationship with Steve McNair.

She doesn't believe her sister killed McNair, or herself.

"She was one, young girl who had so many dreams that they never came true," Salmani said. "She would never kill anyone, ever. Or anything. Not even a little bug. I want people to know that."

An autopsy has been ongoing this morning. A press conference is scheduled this afternoon to discuss the findings.

Metro police have said that McNair was found sitting on the sofa, shot several times. Kazemi was lying on the floor with a single gunshot to the head and a pistol near her body.

Disbelief was also building near Kazemi's Hermitage home, where police were interviewing neighbors Saturday.

Regan Howard said when Kazemi first became her neighbor, she didn't know if it was Kazemi or McNair who moved in since he was there so much.

"She was such a nice girl," Howard said. "I can't believe she would do that."

When McNair got her the Escalade, Howard said, she had to help her figure out how to use the remote starter.

Salmani said she talked to her sister nearly every day, and that she'd been hearing about McNair for several months, since he started coming to Dave & Busters and chatting her up.

"He started to talk to her a little," Salmani said. "They exchanged phone numbers, and started dating from there."

Kazemi told her sister that McNair was in the process of divorcing.

"That's why she was like, 'OK, now you're divorcing. We can date,'" Salmani said. "He told her, it was going to be finished, the whole divorce was going to be done, two weeks from yesterday."

Although a check of Davidson County's court records shows there is no divorce pending — at least in Nashville — McNair's house is for sale. His wife, Mechelle McNair, hasn't spoken to the media. Police said she is distraught over his death.

Salmani said her sister believed that she and McNair would move in together once the divorce was final, and eventually marry.

"All she was trying to do was have fun," Salmani said. "Nothing else. I believe there is a third person involved."

Kazemi first came to Nashville nearly four years ago with her then-boyfriend, Keith Norfleet. They broke up about five months ago, and she started seeing McNair soon after.

She probably didn't know who McNair was, Salmani said, until her colleagues at the restaurant told her. Salmani now fears McNair was using her sister, because she was a young woman with a pretty face. She fears jealous people in his life are the reason her sister is dead, and won't live out her dreams.

Her greatest dream, Salmani said, was to be famous.

"I think she is now," she said. "She is everywhere."

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20090705/NEWS03/90705013/Kazemi+s+sister++

[titanfan217]

http://www.titansradio.com/

Several links here.

[Hannibal]

http://photos.tmz.com/galleries/steve_mcnair_and_sahel_kazemi#46170

They were having an affair...

Sad as McNair was married with kids and should have gotten a divorce.I don't have much sympathy for adulterous behavior...
I did like Mc Nair and his teammates as well as rivals in the NFL liked and respected him...

[titanfan217]

Initial reports in.

McNair definitely a homicide!! Not completedly sure about her and they are waiting for additional reports. Toxology reports pending.


This was from "the zone" radio station

Here's the link from the paper.

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20090705/NEWS03/90705014/1001/NEWS/Autopsy+shows+McNair+was+murdered.

[sunstar]

Initial reports in.

McNair definitely a homicide!! Not completedly sure about her and they are waiting for additional reports. Toxology reports pending.


This was from "the zone" radio station

Here's the link from the paper.

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20090705/NEWS03/90705014/1001/NEWS/Autopsy+shows+McNair+was+murdered.
Four gunshot wounds, two in the chest and two in the head, is definitely overkill.

Is that her booking photo from two days ago? She looks so "dour".

[Alibi Ike]

the post as written had no * edited * icon so it can be assumed that the post was as written and not updated .
had that been the case my remarks of course would not have be posted .


the ommision by pashie in the post #15 of the mentioning of a woman in the link was first pointed out by sunstar in post # 18 .

Huh?????:confused:

[titanfan217]

Four gunshot wounds, two in the chest and two in the head, is definitely overkill.

Is that her booking photo from two days ago? She looks so "dour".

Not sure about the photo.

Think it was an article you posted earlier about the "sister/aunt" -- looks like the gal got her wish about being famous or is it infamous.

[sunstar]

Not sure about the photo.

Think it was an article you posted earlier about the "sister/aunt" -- looks like the gal got her wish about being famous or is it infamous.

Yes, I caught that in the article too ~ more like infamous, it seems. MOO

[sunstar]

Police rule ex-QB McNair’s death a homicide

NASHVILLE, Tenn. - Shot twice in the head and two more times in the chest, former NFL quarterback Steve McNair was the victim of a homicide, police declared Sunday. But authorities wouldn’t say it was a murder-suicide — even with his 20-year-old girlfriend dead at his feet from a single bullet.

McNair had been dating Saleh Kazemi for several months, and Nashville police spokesman Don Aaron said Sunday that a semiautomatic pistol was found under her body. She was shot in the head.

McNair, who was married with four sons, had a permit to carry a handgun in Tennessee, and he was arrested once before with a 9mm weapon although charges in the case were dropped. Police said they had not yet determined who owned the gun found at the scene.

Investigators weren’t looking for a suspect but were questioning friends of the couple as well as Kazemi’s ex-boyfriend. They were also waiting for results of drug and other laboratory tests before deciding whether McNair was killed in a lovers’ quarrel.

more at http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/31739316/ns/sports-nfl/

[starling]

http://www.fortmilltimes.com/124/story/636589.html
The victim's sister, Soheyla Kazemi, told the Florida Times-Union in Jacksonville that the young woman had expected McNair to get a divorce.
"She said they were planning to get married............Her niece told The Tennessean that Kazemi thought McNair was divorcing his wife of 12 years soon.Nashville courts had no record of a McNair divorce case, but a home he owned in Nashville is on the market for $3 million.

[titanfan217]

http://www.fortmilltimes.com/124/story/636589.html
The victim's sister, Soheyla Kazemi, told the Florida Times-Union in Jacksonville that the young woman had expected McNair to get a divorce.
"She said they were planning to get married............Her niece told The Tennessean that Kazemi thought McNair was divorcing his wife of 12 years soon.Nashville courts had no record of a McNair divorce case, but a home he owned in Nashville is on the market for $3 million.

So did the gal that ?Coleman (Monroe County, IL) was seeing.

[Kat4Eagles]

excerpt ~ McNair, 36, who was married and had four children, had reportedly been dating Kazemi for a few months. They met at a Dave & Buster's restaurant where Kazemi worked, her former boyfriend told the Tennessean newspaper.

Neighbors of Kazemi told the paper they often spotted McNair visiting her apartment. At times, she returned home in a black limousine, and not long ago, she showed up with a brand new Cadillac Escalade she said was a gift from her boyfriend.

"She is the sweetest girl, and she did not deserve this," Kazemi's ex-beau, Keith Norfleet, told the newspaper upon learning of her death. "He was making her believe they were going to be together, and everything would be perfect."

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/2009/07/04/2009-07-04_former_nfl_quarterback_steve_mcnair_found_shot_ dead_in_nashville_report.html

Morning all:
Good to see you again, Anna!! :seeya:

I am still in shock and saddened by the news of losing such a great former qb!!
:sad:

I have read some very negative things about Steve online, since his tragic death, and while he may have been a cheating husband, he certainly did not deserve to die.

Celebrities, sport stars do not owe us anything but the performance they put on the screen, or on the field.

I am heartbroken for his wife and family, and only they know what was going on in the marriage, whether they were separating or contemplating a divorce. ??

All things considered, I bet Steve was a great father..and Sahel was a mistake.
We all make them...and I think it is so wrong for us to make these people role models to begin with....

I would like to remember Steve for the athlete I watched during the football season, one that played through pain, was competitive ,a leader and truly one of this fan's favorites.

RIP Air Mcnair:rose:

JMO
Kat

[titanfan217]

Morning all:
Good to see you again, Anna!! :seeya:

I am still in shock and saddened by the news of losing such a great former qb!!
:sad:

I have read some very negative things about Steve online, since his tragic death, and while he may have been a cheating husband, he certainly did not deserve to die.

Celebrities, sport stars do not owe us anything but the performance they put on the screen, or on the field.

I am heartbroken for his wife and family, and only they know what was going on in the marriage, whether they were separating or contemplating a divorce. ??

All things considered, I bet Steve was a great father..and Sahel was a mistake.
We all make them...and I think it is so wrong for us to make these people role models to begin with....

I would like to remember Steve for the athlete I watched during the football season, one that played through pain, was competitive ,a leader and truly one of this fan's favorites.

RIP Air Mcnair:rose:

JMO
Kat


He was amazing on the field. How many weeks did we think there's no way he can play and how many times did he surprise us?

He deserved every award he got and seemed to appreciate it. I sure didn't hear that he was disappointed that he shared the MVP award that he earned. When named as the pro bowl starter, he was there.

[Kat4Eagles]

He was amazing on the field. How many weeks did we think there's no way he can play and how many times did he surprise us?

He deserved every award he got and seemed to appreciate it. I sure didn't hear that he was disappointed that he shared the MVP award that he earned. When named as the pro bowl starter, he was there.


Hi Titansfan:

I agree.
He gave it his all on the field and for his team......
This is another senseless tragedy and I hate to see his name and reputation ruined.
I would also hate for his family to read some of the negativity I have seen online.

I think the best thing would be to remember the man for who was 100% professional on the field, and not for a mistake he made on his own time that cost him his life.
I am wondering how much more people are thinking he should pay.
And, that saddens me....
:(

JMO
Kat

[airportwoman]

http://photos.tmz.com/galleries/steve_mcnair_and_sahel_kazemi#46170

They were having an affair...

Sad as McNair was married with kids and should have gotten a divorce.I don't have much sympathy for adulterous behavior...
I did like Mc Nair and his teammates as well as rivals in the NFL liked and respected him...

He still didn't deserve to be murdered in cold blood.

Whenever people put themselves up as "family oriented" and they really aren't, whether they are public figures or not, the truth will always come out.

[Kat4Eagles]

He still didn't deserve to be murdered in cold blood.

Whenever people put themselves up as "family oriented" and they really aren't, whether they are public figures or not, the truth will always come out.


Exactly, and Steve paid the ultimate price for any betrayal to his wife and children.....

Could you imagine a list of movie stars, athletes, public figures that have had an affair?

They live in a completely different world with a different set of rules and opportunies that are available to them.

Not that I am excusing Mcnair's behavior, but again, really,
how much more can he pay?

:(
Kat

[Amused]

Well, ESPN is now reporting that the girlfriend recently purchased a gun.

Almost certainly murder/suicide according to authorities, as quoted on ESPN.

[titanfan217]

Well, ESPN is now reporting that the girlfriend recently purchased a gun.

Almost certainly murder/suicide according to authorities, as quoted on ESPN.

Coach Fisher is having a press conference.

NFL Network -- HLN covering

[Kat4Eagles]

Coach Fisher is having a press conference.

NFL Network -- HLN covering



Thank you, Titan, and I just read that ESPN will be holding a news conference from the Nashville Police Dept at 5:10 pm, ET.

I found a article from today's NY Daily News saying that Mcnair's wife was Blindsided.........and has the wedding pic of Mechelle and Steve,

I will try and find a link.

http://www.nydailynews.com/index.html
Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Thank you, Titan, and I just read that ESPN will be holding a news conference from the Nashville Police Dept at 5:10 pm, ET.

I found a article from today's NY Daily News saying that Mcnair's wife was Blindsided.........and has the wedding pic of Mechelle and Steve,

I will try and find a link.

http://www.nydailynews.com/index.html
Kat

Update:
This is going to be the ESPN News channel.

[Dawn]

My sympathies and prayers go out to his family. What an awful thing to happen. I woke up Sunday and hoped that it was a terrible nightmare.

Steve will be missed here in TN. He was a true leader and warrior on the field. Off the field, he was involved with many charities, a humanitarian. He also had a contagious smile.

I know there are many things that have come out however, I am gonna remember the good. No one deserves to die this way. No one is perfect.

RIP Steve:rose:

[Dawn]

Does anyone know the age requirement for purchasing a gun? I thought you had to be of legal age 21.

[Kat4Eagles]

Does anyone know the age requirement for purchasing a gun? I thought you had to be of legal age 21.


You are right!!

Sahel privately purchased the gun.**..........at least, that is what was just said at the conference.

Looks like the DUI triggered this whole thing, Steve wanted out, and she was just unstable enough to not to want to let him go.

I think I read somewhere her Mom was murdered when she was little.

Talk about a real life fatal attraction..:sad:

JMO and all that.

Kat

** semi~automatic weapon

[Dawn]

One of the Nashville Radio Stations, is reporting that she bought the gun illegally Thursday night. Guess the person she brought it from has come forward.

104.5 The _ one my letter next to the x does not work

[Dawn]

You are right!!

Sahel privately purchased the gun.**..........at least, that is what was just said at the conference.

Looks like the DUI triggered this whole thing, Steve wanted out, and she was just unstable enough to not to want to let him go.

I think I read somewhere her Mom was murdered when she was little.

Talk about a real life fatal attraction..:sad:

JMO and all that.

Kat

** semi~automatic weapon

That was my thought. Steve wanted out!

[jewel6]

good gawd! This is a big mess! His wife must be devastated!!! jmo

[Hannibal]

He still didn't deserve to be murdered in cold blood.

Whenever people put themselves up as "family oriented" and they really aren't, whether they are public figures or not, the truth will always come out.

I never said he deserved it...

He obviously made some unwise decisions.

I live in TN and he was well thought of here....

Although David Climer, the sports columnist for the Tennessean said on a local radio call in show today that he feels there will be an asterix after McNair name because of how this all happened...

I liked the guy like I have said and I am sorry he has died and I am especially sorry for his wife and children.His children are still young and are now without their father...:sad:

[titanfan217]

Thank you, Titan, and I just read that ESPN will be holding a news conference from the Nashville Police Dept at 5:10 pm, ET.

I found a article from today's NY Daily News saying that Mcnair's wife was Blindsided.........and has the wedding pic of Mechelle and Steve,

I will try and find a link.

http://www.nydailynews.com/index.html
Kat

Thanks for sharing. Also, thanks to Dawn.

The Zone (104.5) is suppose to have a special, I believe, 6 p.m. They have been talking about how close they were to the crime scene.

Re: Fisher today. We have said for years that he would talk alot and say nothing (typical coach talk). Today he talked little but said alot.

[Dawn]

News Conference on News Channel 5

Bought the gun Thurs. afternoon - private individual

have to be 21 years of age

before DUI

myspace page jetjackson 7/2/09 "whose mcnair 09", police in contact with ISP to verify dates

police took away camara

deaths are likely Murder Suicide - will have to be convinced they are not.

waiting on GSR test

murdered in a rage

RIP Steve

[Dawn]

Thanks for sharing. Also, thanks to Dawn.

The Zone (104.5) is suppose to have a special, I believe, 6 p.m. They have been talking about how close they were to the crime scene.

Re: Fisher today. We have said for years that he would talk alot and say nothing (typical coach talk). Today he talked little but said alot.


I thought what Coach said was very nice. You can tell he is beside himself.

[Kat4Eagles]

That was my thought. Steve wanted out!

Hi Dawn:

Here is what I don't get and maybe someone can explain it to me, but, on one hand it looks like Steve got scared of the negative publicity if
the DUI was made public and that he was in the car with her, but,
on the other hand, the car was registered in both of their names, and it is obvious that people where she worked at knew they were dating.......

And, her family knew about him, and he wasn't afraid of the pics of them on vacation together, or having her dropped off at the condo.

So, which way was it?
Was Sahel not the best kept secret after all?
Or, did only Steve's wife not know?

I also think there will be mention that Mcnair got special attention the nite/am of the DUI, as he was left to go home in a taxi, while Sahel was taken in and charged.

I wonder who posted her bail, I bet they regret that now, unless she was released on her own......

Sad, sad story...and, one that now looks like a definite pre~med.
:(

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

I never said he deserved it...

He obviously made some unwise decisions.

I live in TN and he was well thought of here....

Although David Climer, the sports columnist for the Tennessean said on a local radio call in show today that he feels there will be an asterix after McNair name because of how this all happened...

I liked the guy like I have said and I am sorry he has died and I am especially sorry for his wife and children.His children are still young and are now without their father...:sad:


It would be nice if we keep someone's professional life and personal life separate, huh?

What Steve did on the field should not carry over here, and that was a very judgemental thing for the caller to say. :no:

Who hasn't made an unwise decision sometime in their life?
I guess all human beings should have asterixs by their names when they die then.

JMO
:shrug:
Kat

[FallenAngel♥]

You are right!!

Sahel privately purchased the gun.**..........at least, that is what was just said at the conference.

Looks like the DUI triggered this whole thing, Steve wanted out, and she was just unstable enough to not to want to let him go.

I think I read somewhere her Mom was murdered when she was little.

Talk about a real life fatal attraction..:sad:

JMO and all that.

Kat

** semi~automatic weapon
It's really a tragic case :(

[Daffodil]

Yes she was and Yes he was..........

The press stated that the vehicle was in both of their names. It was a birthday present for her. Her birthday was late May.

[Dawn]

Hi Dawn:

Here is what I don't get and maybe someone can explain it to me, but, on one hand it looks like Steve got scared of the negative publicity if
the DUI was made public and that he was in the car with her, but,
on the other hand, the car was registered in both of their names, and it is obvious that people where she worked at knew they were dating.......

And, her family knew about him, and he wasn't afraid of the pics of them on vacation together, or having her dropped off at the condo.

So, which way was it?
Was Sahel not the best kept secret after all?
Or, did only Steve's wife not know?

I also think there will be mention that Mcnair got special attention the nite/am of the DUI, as he was left to go home in a taxi, while Sahel was taken in and charged.

I wonder who posted her bail, I bet they regret that now, unless she was released on her own......

Sad, sad story...and, one that now looks like a definite pre~med.
:(

Kat

Hi Kat,

I think wherever it was they vacationed, probably sold the pictures. (The owners of the boat)?? Steve was not drinking. IIRC, that is what had been reported. He was allowed to call a Taxi. The Officer that pulled them over was the same Officer that arrested Steve for his DUI, which was dismissed.

Unfortunately, Steve posted her bond. Yes, things might have been different. However, from everything I have read or saw, Steve was there to help any and everyone.

[Kat4Eagles]

Hi Kat,

I think wherever it was they vacationed, probably sold the pictures. (The owners of the boat)?? Steve was not drinking. IIRC, that is what had been reported. He was allowed to call a Taxi. The Officer that pulled them over was the same Officer that arrested Steve for his DUI, which was dismissed.

Unfortunately, Steve posted her bond. Yes, things might have been different. However, from everything I have read or saw, Steve was there to help any and everyone.


Wow, I didn't know that Steve was the one who posted her bond.

How ironic that he helped free the woman, who in turn, in less than 72 hours later would kill him.

This makes it even sadder.
To me.


JMO

Kat

[jewel6]

Wow! what i take from the whole situation is that mechelle had no idea!! Thats awful! My prayers are with the family! jmo

[Dawn]

Kat,

News Channel 5 just addressed the issue of special treatment. They stated the Officer acted appropriately. He was not the sole owner. If she had not been the co-owner, he would have gone to jail. He also bore no responibility for her drinking. She was not 21 however, she was considred an adult (over 18) That is what I got out of it. If anyone caught the whole report, please feel free to jump in and help me out. D/H was talking so I did not hear it all.

They also reported he spent his last day fishing with his boys. He/the owner stated he was very polite, humble and special. He usually came alone or with his boys or with members of the Titans. If he wasn't there, he would leave him a note.

[annalyzer]

Police: McNair’s girlfriend bought gun Thursday

By TERESA M. WALKER, AP Sports Writer
11 minutes ago

NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP)—Police say the gun found at the scene where former NFL star Steve McNair(notes) died was bought by his girlfriend less than two days before the two were shot to death.

Nashville police spokesman Don Aaron said Monday that 20-year-old Sahel Kazemi bought the semiautomatic handgun Thursday evening from a person he didn’t name.

An autopsy showed that McNair and Kazemi died early Saturday. He was shot four times and his death has been ruled a homicide. She was shot once and Aaron said police are still waiting for ballistic and gunpowder residue tests before deciding if she was slain or committed suicide.

Their bodies were found in a Nashville condominium leased by McNair, who was 36.

Aaron said that as far as he knows McNair was not with Kazemi when she got the gun.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-mcnairkilled&prov=ap&type=lgns

[Dawn]

Wow, I didn't know that Steve was the one who posted her bond.

How ironic that he helped free the woman, who in turn, in less than 72 hours later would kill him.

This makes it even sadder.
To me.


JMO

Kat

Yes Kat, that makes it hard.

[sunstar]

Woman with McNair bought gun found at scene

updated 1 hour, 42 minutes ago
NASHVILLE, Tenn. - Police say the gun found at the scene where former NFL star Steve McNair died was bought by his girlfriend less than two days before the two were shot to death.

Nashville police spokesman Don Aaron said Monday that 20-year-old Sahel Kazemi bought the semiautomatic handgun Thursday evening from a person he didn’t name.



Video & more at http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/31764425/ns/sports-nfl/

[Dawn]

Any Nashville fans, NewsChannel5+ is doing a special dedicated to Steve McNair now. Not sure if it is on NewsChannel5.com.

[Caje]

Details emerge on McNair relationship

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/hotstories/6516269.html

[titanfan217]

I feel like I'm hogging this thread, but look at my id.

Yes, I've been emotional for last 2 days, but I am an emotional person.

It finally dawned on me that I do not have a right to be mad at Steve. Only his wife has that right, and not so secretly I hope she can forgive him. Those issues are between she & him.

Any anger I have is with the shooter. Whatever she though he did, it was her reaction, and I've not seen that he was was convicted of any capital offense, much less have been allowed any appeals.

[Kat4Eagles]

Kat,

News Channel 5 just addressed the issue of special treatment. They stated the Officer acted appropriately. He was not the sole owner. If she had not been the co-owner, he would have gone to jail. He also bore no responibility for her drinking. She was not 21 however, she was considred an adult (over 18) That is what I got out of it. If anyone caught the whole report, please feel free to jump in and help me out. D/H was talking so I did not hear it all.

They also reported he spent his last day fishing with his boys. He/the owner stated he was very polite, humble and special. He usually came alone or with his boys or with members of the Titans. If he wasn't there, he would leave him a note.


Thank you, Dawn, this is good to know.
Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Details emerge on McNair relationship

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/hotstories/6516269.html


That was a great article, thank you, Caje!!
Kat

[titanfan217]

That was a great article, thank you, Caje!!
Kat

Oops. So far all the tops about trips were from her family. I believe someone reported on at least one he didn't show up.

[Kat4Eagles]

I feel like I'm hogging this thread, but look at my id.

Yes, I've been emotional for last 2 days, but I am an emotional person.

It finally dawned on me that I do not have a right to be mad at Steve. Only his wife has that right, and not so secretly I hope she can forgive him. Those issues are between she & him.

Any anger I have is with the shooter. Whatever she though he did, it was her reaction, and I've not seen that he was was convicted of any capital offense, much less have been allowed any appeals.


You are not hogging the thread, you are a football fan and you seem very caring, and this is a major shock of losing a well known football player so suddenly..

I may have missed some of the earlier posts , so, your initial reaction was anger ?

What has made you feel differently now?
Anything specific or did you just need more time to deal with it?
I am still not quite believing the whole thing myself.

I read some other sites (blogs and comments) where people are so harsh with the things they have said, almost implying he deserved this....

I never saw you post anything like that............this has to be hard for you, I am sure......:(

I am sure there are a lot of emotions going back and forth with the people who knew Steve too, maybe some of the guys even warned him about Sahel, tried to tell hin he was making a big mistake, or hated seeing what this might do to Mechelle if she ever found out.

I wonder what their feeings are about Sahel...no one had any way to know this would happen , though.

I wonder what she told the person she bought the gun from, as to why she needed one.

:confused:
JMO
Kat

[Daffodil]

Any more news today?

[Kat4Eagles]

Any more news today?

Hi Daffodil,

The header I saw this morning on ESPN News stated that 3 0f the 4 gunshots were fired from a few feet away while one shot was aimed right at Mcnair's temple.

The gun was found under Sahel's body..

I think they are waiting for more forensics and the gun residue results before officially calling this a murder~suicide, but thats where this seems to be going.

JMO

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

ETA:

I am bad with links but if you go to the Tennessean Com newspaper
there is a drawing of the crime scene.

[courtsinsession]

doesn't it seem odd that McNair had one gunshot wound on each side of the temple; i mean how does the shooter do that? it just sounds weird. This is a very tragic tale of a young woman who hitched her fortune and her fate to the wrong star; It surely sounds like a murder-suicide but as we know, any scenario is possible. The fact that she bought the gun though kinds of points to a murder-suicide. It also seems he was pretty brazen, openly taking her on vacations and there are pics of that; taking her to Vegas and all of those places, you have to wonder what he told his wife he was doing caUse it seems she was clueless. I guess I am left with the theory that maybe she was drunk or high and she was pushing him to divorce his wife and maybe he was vague or trying to appease her in some way and she just snapped and went into a viiolent rage and shot him 4 times and then shot herself;

[Kat4Eagles]

doesn't it seem odd that McNair had one gunshot wound on each side of the temple; i mean how does the shooter do that? it just sounds weird. This is a very tragic tale of a young woman who hitched her fortune and her fate to the wrong star; It surely sounds like a murder-suicide but as we know, any scenario is possible. The fact that she bought the gun though kinds of points to a murder-suicide. It also seems he was pretty brazen, openly taking her on vacations and there are pics of that; taking her to Vegas and all of those places, you have to wonder what he told his wife he was doing caUse it seems she was clueless. I guess I am left with the theory that maybe she was drunk or high and she was pushing him to divorce his wife and maybe he was vague or trying to appease her in some way and she just snapped and went into a viiolent rage and shot him 4 times and then shot herself;


I think there was only one wound to Steve's temple, and the other 3 were in the chest area.
But, I agree with you on everything else.
I think he was trying to end it, and she wouldn't accept his decision.
I only wish he had done it over the phone, or in an email or text, and not in person.....
She wasn't going to let him live long enough to leave her , that's for sure.
Maybe, he told her he had decided to go back to his wife and was going to try and make things work.

:(
Kat

[courtsinsession]

I think there was only one wound to Steve's temple, and the other 3 were in the chest area.
But, I agree with you on everything else.
I think he was trying to end it, and she wouldn't accept his decision.
I only wish he had done it over the phone, or in an email or text, and not in person.....
She wasn't going to let him live long enough to leave her , that's for sure.
Maybe, he told her he had decided to go back to his wife and was going to try and make things work.

:(
Kat
Hi: i just re-read the article at the tennessean.com and he was indeed shot 4 times, once in each temple and twice in the chest; i think that is really weird, being shot in each temple; do you think it is strange?

[titanfan217]

You are not hogging the thread, you are a football fan and you seem very caring, and this is a major shock of losing a well known football player so suddenly..

I may have missed some of the earlier posts , so, your initial reaction was anger ?

What has made you feel differently now?
Anything specific or did you just need more time to deal with it?
I am still not quite believing the whole thing myself.

I read some other sites (blogs and comments) where people are so harsh with the things they have said, almost implying he deserved this....

I never saw you post anything like that............this has to be hard for you, I am sure......:(

I am sure there are a lot of emotions going back and forth with the people who knew Steve too, maybe some of the guys even warned him about Sahel, tried to tell hin he was making a big mistake, or hated seeing what this might do to Mechelle if she ever found out.

I wonder what their feeings are about Sahel...no one had any way to know this would happen , though.

I wonder what she told the person she bought the gun from, as to why she needed one.

:confused:
JMO
Kat

I think I was like many -- Titan fans, football fans, general public -- in total shock. I don't know that I was ever mad at McNair, probably disappointed as much as anything. I know I said that the one thing I would not be able to handle (not sure what that meant) was to learn that he had shot her, then himself.

Yesterday, I was listening to a Nashville radio station, and someone called in and said that McNair had lied to him. Lied to him? He probably never talked to McNair.

I've not heard anyone connected to McNair say they even knew anything was going on.

One of the LE press conferences in on the Nashville paper (think it might have been yesterday), and it sounded as if LE had traced the gun's ownership to the seller. I seriously doubt that "he" knew why she was buying it. For "his" sake I hope he didn't know how she was.

[titanfan217]

Hi: i just re-read the article at the tennessean.com and he was indeed shot 4 times, once in each temple and twice in the chest; i think that is really weird, being shot in each temple; do you think it is strange?


If, as I read, 3 were from a distance, and one a close range, would that change your opinion? (I have no idea).

NFL Network just announced the someone has said he will be very surprised if it's not determined to be murder-suicide. With that in mind, I wonder whether she would have any clue as to how many shot would be required.

I also have a question. How likely would the gun be found under her where it was initially hidden?

[courtsinsession]

If, as I read, 3 were from a distance, and one a close range, would that change your opinion? (I have no idea).

NFL Network just announced the someone has said he will be very surprised if it's not determined to be murder-suicide. With that in mind, I wonder whether she would have any clue as to how many shot would be required.

I also have a question. How likely would the gun be found under her where it was initially hidden?

that is another ususual thing, finding the gun under her body (unless she fell on it after she shot herself); there are some unusual facts here, huh???

[Kat4Eagles]

Hi: i just re-read the article at the tennessean.com and he was indeed shot 4 times, once in each temple and twice in the chest; i think that is really weird, being shot in each temple; do you think it is strange?

Hi Court,
Yes, it is strange, if I am reading it right, only one shot was fired at close range, but, you are right about 2 shots to the head.

Very strange..

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

I think I was like many -- Titan fans, football fans, general public -- in total shock. I don't know that I was ever mad at McNair, probably disappointed as much as anything. I know I said that the one thing I would not be able to handle (not sure what that meant) was to learn that he had shot her, then himself.

Yesterday, I was listening to a Nashville radio station, and someone called in and said that McNair had lied to him. Lied to him? He probably never talked to McNair.

I've not heard anyone connected to McNair say they even knew anything was going on.

One of the LE press conferences in on the Nashville paper (think it might have been yesterday), and it sounded as if LE had traced the gun's ownership to the seller. I seriously doubt that "he" knew why she was buying it. For "his" sake I hope he didn't know how she was.

Hi Titan:

I know, I see a lot of general statements saying that's what he gets for having a jump off......but, I can't believe anyone would equate death as a punishment for cheating.

Yes, I think they have the gun owner, imagine how he/she feels.
:(

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

that is another ususual thing, finding the gun under her body (unless she fell on it after she shot herself); there are some unusual facts here, huh???


It could happen that way , I guess, she fell at the same time she fired the gun, and that is where it landed.

Does anyone here think she was that attractive?
Not that it matters now, but Mcnair's wife has to be thinking what was he thinking...

No offense to anyone, btw.
JMO
Kat

[titanfan217]

It could happen that way , I guess, she fell at the same time she fired the gun, and that is where it landed.

Does anyone here think she was that attractive?
Not that it matters now, but Mcnair's wife has to be thinking what was he thinking...

No offense to anyone, btw.
JMO
Kat

Just found this at the newspaper site. Am I missing something?

http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Avis=DN&Dato=20090705&Kategori=NEWS01&Lopenr=710006&Ref=PH

[titanfan217]

Hi Titan:

I know, I see a lot of general statements saying that's what he gets for having a jump off......but, I can't believe anyone would equate death as a punishment for cheating.

Yes, I think they have the gun owner, imagine how he/she feels.
:(

Kat

I see a typo in my previous message. I hope the previous owner of the gun didn't know how OLD she was.

[courtsinsession]

Just found this at the newspaper site. Am I missing something?

http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Avis=DN&Dato=20090705&Kategori=NEWS01&Lopenr=710006&Ref=PH

well, I saw other pics of her, let's just say that it might f not be her face that was so interesting to him (not being mean just realistic); whatever it was, he apparently found her attractive enough to risk everything he had, a wife and 4 kids to have an affair with her. Also wondering why noone heard five shots????

[Kat4Eagles]

Just found this at the newspaper site. Am I missing something?

http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Avis=DN&Dato=20090705&Kategori=NEWS01&Lopenr=710006&Ref=PH

Lol, I am not sure what you mean..
Care to elaborate?


Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

I see a typo in my previous message. I hope the previous owner of the gun didn't know how OLD she was.


Probably didn't bother to ask, and she could pass for 21 easy..
I guess when you buy a gun in a private sale, the same laws do
not always apply.
You think?

JMO
Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

well, I saw other pics of her, let's just say that it might f not be her face that was so interesting to him (not being mean just realistic); whatever it was, he apparently found her attractive enough to risk everything he had, a wife and 4 kids to have an affair with her. Also wondering why noone heard five shots????

I guess.
Maybe, it was more the age difference too.
Who knows?
Whatever the attraction was, the result was fatal to them both..
I read today police are having a difficult time putting together a motive.
They should read here, we seem to have it all figured out.!!
To me, it is a classic, if she couldn't have him, no one would.

JMO
Kat

[titanfan217]

well, I saw other pics of her, let's just say that it might f not be her face that was so interesting to him (not being mean just realistic); whatever it was, he apparently found her attractive enough to risk everything he had, a wife and 4 kids to have an affair with her. Also wondering why noone heard five shots????


It looks to me like she was more interested in the car than the man that supposedly gave it to her.

As far as his attraction, I've said more than once that there's is something between a man's legs that cuts off the circulation to their brain.

I thought that was strange about nobody hearing anything. It sounded as if someone saw him come in that night, and "knew" that she was already there. When news first hit, I found a Nashville radio station on the internet. At that time, people thought they had been shot that afternoon, and the guy on the air was surprised he hadn't heard something. The station is really close to the crime scene. They said they would go down & check things out during a commercial.

I found a musical side tribute to McNair's career, again on the newspaper site. There are a couple cute photos of him with one of his sons. Enjoy.

http://www.tennessean.com/section/special0393

[titanfan217]

Lol, I am not sure what you mean..
Care to elaborate?


Kat

Looks like she was more interested in the car than the man who gave it to her.

[Dawn]

doesn't it seem odd that McNair had one gunshot wound on each side of the temple; i mean how does the shooter do that? it just sounds weird. This is a very tragic tale of a young woman who hitched her fortune and her fate to the wrong star; It surely sounds like a murder-suicide but as we know, any scenario is possible. The fact that she bought the gun though kinds of points to a murder-suicide. It also seems he was pretty brazen, openly taking her on vacations and there are pics of that; taking her to Vegas and all of those places, you have to wonder what he told his wife he was doing caUse it seems she was clueless. I guess I am left with the theory that maybe she was drunk or high and she was pushing him to divorce his wife and maybe he was vague or trying to appease her in some way and she just snapped and went into a viiolent rage and shot him 4 times and then shot herself;

There was an article in jacksonville.com on Sunday and they had talked to the sister. IIRC, Sahel, had gone to Vegas two weeks ago and was to meet Steve however, he never showed up.

[Dawn]

I feel like I'm hogging this thread, but look at my id.

Yes, I've been emotional for last 2 days, but I am an emotional person.

It finally dawned on me that I do not have a right to be mad at Steve. Only his wife has that right, and not so secretly I hope she can forgive him. Those issues are between she & him.

Any anger I have is with the shooter. Whatever she though he did, it was her reaction, and I've not seen that he was was convicted of any capital offense, much less have been allowed any appeals.

Good post titanfan.

[titanfan217]

Good post titanfan.

Thank you.

[Kat4Eagles]

<respectfully snipped>

I found a musical side tribute to McNair's career, again on the newspaper site. There are a couple cute photos of him with one of his sons. Enjoy.

http://www.tennessean.com/section/special0393



That was great, and that is exactly the way I am going to remember
Steve Mcnair.!!

He sure had the brightest smile, didn't he?

Thank you for the link.!!

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

There are some new articles in today's Tennessean com...

Kat

[courtsinsession]

There was an article in jacksonville.com on Sunday and they had talked to the sister. IIRC, Sahel, had gone to Vegas two weeks ago and was to meet Steve however, he never showed up.

i guess that could account for some pent-up rage; i think on the day/night of murders, McNair had been clubbing by himself; that means that his girlfriend was sitting around the condo waiting for him; he apparently was last seen at 1:30 am; It is certainly a possibility that a fight ensued about why was he clubbing without her, why did he not meet her in Vegas and I am sure so much more; This story is just a terrible one and of course I feel the sorriest for his four children and his wife as well. On top of her grief, she has been publicly humiliated.

[titanfan217]

There are some new articles in today's Tennessean com...

Kat

Yes. Of course we will never know what he told her, but sure sounds like she had more ideas about what was to happen than he did.

I didn't know that the older children weren't Mechelle's. Guess that explains why one is Steve Jr and the other Steven. Someone, probably on NFL Network, had commented that he had said something about his sons, and then that he has 2 sons in Mississippi.

I remember seeing numerous photos of him with one on his shoulder, and I'm guessing that's the older of Mechelle's. Eddie George also referred to him.

Something that hasn't come up yet that I know of, is Steve's naps. I understand that he'd be so calm before a game that he'd take a nap wherever he was.

If anything good comes out of this, I hope that younger players will wake up. In particular, Vince Young looked up to Steve as "pops". Vince, make Steve proud of you.

[titanfan217]

Quick Update

Evidence back that the bullets were from the gun found.

Press conference 2:45 p.m.

[Kat4Eagles]

i guess that could account for some pent-up rage; i think on the day/night of murders, McNair had been clubbing by himself; that means that his girlfriend was sitting around the condo waiting for him; he apparently was last seen at 1:30 am; It is certainly a possibility that a fight ensued about why was he clubbing without her, why did he not meet her in Vegas and I am sure so much more; This story is just a terrible one and of course I feel the sorriest for his four children and his wife as well. On top of her grief, she has been publicly humiliated.

Hi Court:

I think it is more like Sahel knew things were starting to fall apart, and after the DUI and the bad publicity it would have caused Steve from her telling the officers that she was not drunk, but "high" certainly would not look good for Mcnair to be associated with her.

Being pulled over like that, may have made him come to his senses....

I think he decided to cool things off, she got panicky and scared and they fought...

I mean. I know we will never know exactly what happened, and I know this sounds weird, and I don't mean to be judgemental, but she just doesn't seem the type that maybe someone would leave their wife for.

That is just my opinion of course.
And, I have been wrong before.

Did anyone else notice in the articles that it said the place hardly looked lived in, with very few personal touches?

It sounds more like it was a just a place to meet...
Again, JMO.
Kat

[ABC]

That was great, and that is exactly the way I am going to remember
Steve Mcnair.!!

He sure had the brightest smile, didn't he?

Thank you for the link.!!

Kat

Never heard of him before this event but agree he has a great smile and actually looks like a nice guy. RIP :sad:

[Daffodil]

I hope this link works. It is in the Tennessean. It says "jenny" was selling all her furniture. She listed it all on craigslist.


http://tennessean.com/article/20090708/NEWS03/90708039/-1/NLETTER04?source=nletter-breakingnews

[boonboo]

anyone have a link to a live feed for the press conf?

[Dogmatic]

Hi Court:

I think it is more like Sahel knew things were starting to fall apart, and after the DUI and the bad publicity it would have caused Steve from her telling the officers that she was not drunk, but "high" certainly would not look good for Mcnair to be associated with her.

Being pulled over like that, may have made him come to his senses....

I think he decided to cool things off, she got panicky and scared and they fought...

I mean. I know we will never know exactly what happened, and I know this sounds weird, and I don't mean to be judgemental, but she just doesn't seem the type that maybe someone would leave their wife for.

That is just my opinion of course.
And, I have been wrong before.

Did anyone else notice in the articles that it said the place hardly looked lived in, with very few personal touches?

It sounds more like it was a just a place to meet...
Again, JMO.
Kat


I tend to agree. We will never know what happened between the two of them, but I'm guessing the brush with the law probably generated McNair to tell her that he needed to cool off the relationship, and her reaction is now history.

Two items of interest I noted in the readings:

1. family of the 20 year old indicated that "she had finally made it and was going to be taken care of financially"

2. the "friend" that discovered the bodies called another friend instead of 911



I'm thinking this young lady was going to make darn sure that if she couldn't have Steve, no one else would either; inlcuding his children. Very sad. Very selfish. IMO

[titanfan217]

anyone have a link to a live feed for the press conf?


Sorry, I didn't get back on in time. It was on HLN so probably will be repeated there.

http://www.tennessean.com/ will probably have it on-line

Also the following radio station generally covers everything as their station is in the "backyard" of the crime scene, and will have, I believe the police chief in the studio in a few minutes.

http://www.1045thezone.com/Article.asp?id=579117


Comments from the press conference is that they believe McNair was asleep and never knew he was shot.

As far as motive, she thought McNair was involved with someone else.

Also, that even though he "bought" the car for her, she was supposedly making payments plus had another car.

Had told friends over the past week that things were falling apart on Friday night at work had told a coworker that she was going to end it all.

[Kat4Eagles]

Quick Update

Evidence back that the bullets were from the gun found.

Press conference 2:45 p.m.


Titan, I missed it, can you fill me in?
Thank you.
Kat
ETA
Oops, never mind, there you are!!
Thanks!

[Kat4Eagles]

Sorry, I didn't get back on in time. It was on HLN so probably will be repeated there.

http://www.tennessean.com/ will probably have it on-line

Also the following radio station generally covers everything as their station is in the "backyard" of the crime scene, and will have, I believe the police chief in the studio in a few minutes.

http://www.1045thezone.com/Article.asp?id=579117


Comments from the press conference is that they believe McNair was asleep and never knew he was shot.

As far as motive, she thought McNair was involved with someone else.

Also, that even though he "bought" the car for her, she was supposedly making payments plus had another car.

Had told friends over the past week that things were falling apart on Friday night at work had told a coworker that she was going to end it all.


End it all= meaning a break up or something else?

Kat

[titanfan217]

End it all= meaning a break up or something else?

Kat

Not sure what the coworker thought it meant, but guess we know now what it was.


911 call to be released. I know the zone plans to have it.

[courtsinsession]

Sorry, I didn't get back on in time. It was on HLN so probably will be repeated there.

http://www.tennessean.com/ will probably have it on-line

Also the following radio station generally covers everything as their station is in the "backyard" of the crime scene, and will have, I believe the police chief in the studio in a few minutes.

http://www.1045thezone.com/Article.asp?id=579117


Comments from the press conference is that they believe McNair was asleep and never knew he was shot.

As far as motive, she thought McNair was involved with someone else.

Also, that even though he "bought" the car for her, she was supposedly making payments plus had another car.

Had told friends over the past week that things were falling apart on Friday night at work had told a coworker that she was going to end it all.

according to the tennsessean, he was involved (or whatever) with another woman, whom the police have interviewed; all i can say is i feel so sorry his wife has to hear about all of this involvement with other women and then there are the innocent children; this is just too ugly

[titanfan217]

according to the tennsessean, he was involved (or whatever) with another woman, whom the police have interviewed; all i can say is i feel so sorry his wife has to hear about all of this involvement with other women and then there are the innocent children; this is just too ugly

I missed that the police have interviewed "her".

It would not surprise me to see "20" women come out & say something for their 15 minutes of fame.

[Dawn]

I missed that the police have interviewed "her".

It would not surprise me to see "20" women come out & say something for their 15 minutes of fame.


Hi titanfan

That is what I was thinking.

[Kat4Eagles]

according to the tennsessean, he was involved (or whatever) with another woman, whom the police have interviewed; all i can say is i feel so sorry his wife has to hear about all of this involvement with other women and then there are the innocent children; this is just too ugly

Wow, I hate to hear this.
Thank you , everyone, for the updates today, is there anything more from the press conference?
Have they classified Sahel's death as a suicide yet?

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Hi titanfan

That is what I was thinking.


Me too, and while not condoning his behavior or making excuses for him , things are different for sports stars and celebrities in that they live in a whole different world and have access to just about anything they want..........whether they decide to act upon it or not, is another thing, though!!

Not that it makes it right.....!!!!

JMO
Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Not sure what the coworker thought it meant, but guess we know now what it was.


911 call to be released. I know the zone plans to have it.


Thank you, Titan!
I would like to hear the 911 call or read the transcript should it become available.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

K, I just answered 2 of my own questions, it has now been listed officially as a homicide~ suicide, and the 911 call is now available at the Tennessean com.
I am going to listen to it now.

Kat

[Dawn]

Wow, I hate to hear this.
Thank you , everyone, for the updates today, is there anything more from the press conference?
Have they classified Sahel's death as a suicide yet?

Kat

Hi Kat,

HLN just played the press conference and confirmed murder - suicide. A good source for info is also newschannel5.com.

HLN is still discussing McNair.

[titanfan217]

Thank you, Titan!
I would like to hear the 911 call or read the transcript should it become available.

Kat

They've played it on "the Zone". You might check that website or the nashville newspaper (I've posted them earlier today.)

I will warn you, it's pretty boring, mostly trying to figure out the address.

[Dawn]

HLN reported she had mounting debt. Her rent was about to double. Then we have heard she was making the car payments. Looks like her gravy train was pulling out of the station??

[kelloggirl]

Police Confirm Murder-Suicide in Steve McNair Case (http://www.tennessean.com/article/20090708/NEWS03/90708043)

From the article:
"Police have determined that Sahel Kazemi murdered former Titans quarterback Steve McNair last weekend with four shots while he was asleep on the couch, then sat down next to him and shot herself in the temple.

Metro Police Chief Ronal Serpas said at a press conference this afternoon that their interviews with Kazemi's friends and coworkers showed that in the last five to seven days of her life, the 20-year-old felt her life was unraveling.

She had recently saw signs that McNair may be involved with another woman, and she might have been worried about making rent payments and payments on two cars, including a Cadillac Escalade registered in both her and McNair's name.

“We do believe there was evidence that she was spinning out of control,” Serpas said.

Serpas said Kazemi shot McNair in the right temple. That was followed quickly with two shots to the chest from about two to four feet away. Then she shot him in the left temple, which Serpas said was a "contact shot" within two inches from his head.

Then she sat next to him on the couch, Serpas said, in such a way that police believe she tried to stage her suicide to fall into his lap. She shot herself in the temple. Police think she fell into McNair's lap, then gravity pulled her to the floor."


A lot more information at the link...what a sad, tragic, story.

[HALE 2d GNAW]

according to the tennsessean, he was involved (or whatever) with another woman, whom the police have interviewed; all i can say is i feel so sorry his wife has to hear about all of this involvement with other women and then there are the innocent children; this is just too ugly

Also according to the Tennessean, "The McNairs married in 1997, and Mechelle is the mother of two of his four sons. She met McNair while both were students at Alcorn State, though she also studied nursing in Nashville and became a nurse while he played for the Titans.

[Kat4Eagles]

They've played it on "the Zone". You might check that website or the nashville newspaper (I've posted them earlier today.)

I will warn you, it's pretty boring, mostly trying to figure out the address.


That is the weirdest 911 call, almost 6 minutes long and you are waiting for the caller to blurt out what happened, or identify Mcnair, and it goes on and on...until the police finally arrive.

Have we figured out why the first person passed on calling 911 and called someone else to do it?

Kat

[Dawn]

News Channel 5 will lead off with this at 5 and they have been on top of it. Anyone in the viewing area?

[HALE 2d GNAW]

HLN reported she had mounting debt. Her rent was about to double. Then we have heard she was making the car payments. Looks like her gravy train was pulling out of the station??

I don't think the gravy station ever pulled in. I wonder if she bought the car and put his name on the title w/out him knowing? Is it possible to do that in TN? It is in my state.

Sadly, it sounds to me like She was telling family one thing and friends another. The "relationship" may not have been all that she made it out to be.

Such an unnecessary tragedy. :rose:

[Kat4Eagles]

Hi Kat,

HLN just played the press conference and confirmed murder - suicide. A good source for info is also newschannel5.com.

HLN is still discussing McNair.


Hi Dawn, thank you.
I am catching up now!!

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

HLN reported she had mounting debt. Her rent was about to double. Then we have heard she was making the car payments. Looks like her gravy train was pulling out of the station??

Well, there is the motive.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Police Confirm Murder-Suicide in Steve McNair Case (http://www.tennessean.com/article/20090708/NEWS03/90708043)

From the article:
"Police have determined that Sahel Kazemi murdered former Titans quarterback Steve McNair last weekend with four shots while he was asleep on the couch, then sat down next to him and shot herself in the temple.

Metro Police Chief Ronal Serpas said at a press conference this afternoon that their interviews with Kazemi's friends and coworkers showed that in the last five to seven days of her life, the 20-year-old felt her life was unraveling.

She had recently saw signs that McNair may be involved with another woman, and she might have been worried about making rent payments and payments on two cars, including a Cadillac Escalade registered in both her and McNair's name.

“We do believe there was evidence that she was spinning out of control,” Serpas said.

Serpas said Kazemi shot McNair in the right temple. That was followed quickly with two shots to the chest from about two to four feet away. Then she shot him in the left temple, which Serpas said was a "contact shot" within two inches from his head.

Then she sat next to him on the couch, Serpas said, in such a way that police believe she tried to stage her suicide to fall into his lap. She shot herself in the temple. Police think she fell into McNair's lap, then gravity pulled her to the floor."


A lot more information at the link...what a sad, tragic, story.


Wow, I guess they were able to figure out Mcnair was asleep because there were no signs of a struggle???

Why would she shoot him like that?

The whole staging scene is making me sick.
Didn't anyone see anything wrong with her or the way she was acting, before this?
*(&^%$#@
JMO

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Police Confirm Murder-Suicide in Steve McNair Case (http://www.tennessean.com/article/20090708/NEWS03/90708043)

From the article:
"Police have determined that Sahel Kazemi murdered former Titans quarterback Steve McNair last weekend with four shots while he was asleep on the couch, then sat down next to him and shot herself in the temple.

Metro Police Chief Ronal Serpas said at a press conference this afternoon that their interviews with Kazemi's friends and coworkers showed that in the last five to seven days of her life, the 20-year-old felt her life was unraveling.

She had recently saw signs that McNair may be involved with another woman, and she might have been worried about making rent payments and payments on two cars, including a Cadillac Escalade registered in both her and McNair's name.

“We do believe there was evidence that she was spinning out of control,” Serpas said.

Serpas said Kazemi shot McNair in the right temple. That was followed quickly with two shots to the chest from about two to four feet away. Then she shot him in the left temple, which Serpas said was a "contact shot" within two inches from his head.

Then she sat next to him on the couch, Serpas said, in such a way that police believe she tried to stage her suicide to fall into his lap. She shot herself in the temple. Police think she fell into McNair's lap, then gravity pulled her to the floor."


A lot more information at the link...what a sad, tragic, story.

Very sad....:(
Thank you, Kellogg.

Kat

[Dawn]

I don't think the gravy station ever pulled in. I wonder if she bought the car and put his name on the title w/out him knowing? Is it possible to do that in TN? It is in my state.

Sadly, it sounds to me like She was telling family one thing and friends another. The "relationship" may not have been all that she made it out to be.

Such an unnecessary tragedy. :rose:

She could have added both names. I know you can do that if you pay for something out right. However, if she was making payments, it more than likely was financed. I doubt we will ever know.

[Kat4Eagles]

I don't think the gravy station ever pulled in. I wonder if she bought the car and put his name on the title w/out him knowing? Is it possible to do that in TN? It is in my state.

Sadly, it sounds to me like She was telling family one thing and friends another. The "relationship" may not have been all that she made it out to be.

Such an unnecessary tragedy. :rose:


Well, he did take her on vacations and maybe she got spoiled dating a star..all the attention, etc.

I hate that this happened, that she decided to end his life because she decided to end her own.....

JMO

Kat

[daniel green]

Any Nashville fans, NewsChannel5+ is doing a special dedicated to Steve McNair now. Not sure if it is on NewsChannel5.com.

How long has it been since McNair had played for TN? At least 3 seasons, right?

Didn't he end up playing for the Ravens or some other team?

[titanfan217]

Also according to the Tennessean, "The McNairs married in 1997, and Mechelle is the mother of two of his four sons. She met McNair while both were students at Alcorn State, though she also studied nursing in Nashville and became a nurse while he played for the Titans.

She "had to". He played tough and seemed to have an injury every week. Coach Fisher told the story of being at the hospital with his own son. He saw Steve and Mechelle there, and Steve was using a walker. He had gone in to get a shot just so he could play the following Sunday.

Several years ago there was an article in one of the sports magazines about them and told some of things she did for him.

It's hard to believe this will be the 4th season that he won't be playing for the Titans.

[Kat4Eagles]

She could have added both names. I know you can do that if you pay for something out right. However, it was financed. I doubt we will ever know.


He may have been a co~signer, remember she was underage.

I feel like I am spamming the board with all my posts, sorry.

I finally am feeling anger towards her..it's like she will never face murder charges, never have to pay for killing someone or be held accountable, at least, here on earth, anyway..

JMO
Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

How long has it been since McNair had played for TN? At least 3 seasons, right?

Didn't he end up playing for the Ravens or some other team?


I believe he went to the Ravens in '06, '07 and then retired.

Another wow, I just read that Sahel thought Mcnair was seeing someone else and tried to follow them,
and that she bought the gun during her shift at Dave & Buster's.

Kat

[titanfan217]

That is the weirdest 911 call, almost 6 minutes long and you are waiting for the caller to blurt out what happened, or identify Mcnair, and it goes on and on...until the police finally arrive.

Have we figured out why the first person passed on calling 911 and called someone else to do it?

Kat


The police chief said that he just made a bad decision, based upon the shock. He doesn't believe there was anything significant, and isn't that uncommon.

Not sure if it was the same person, but earlier made a comment, that in crisis people do not even know if it's 3 minutes or an hour.

[titanfan217]

Well, he did take her on vacations and maybe she got spoiled dating a star..all the attention, etc.

I hate that this happened, that she decided to end his life because she decided to end her own.....

JMO

Kat

I wonder how many trips were real. I can't see him taking her to the farm in Mississippi.

Re: the car. It sounds as if he had helped her buy it, and maybe that was the only way she could get financing.

Could she have been making that much?

[Dawn]

How long has it been since McNair had played for TN? At least 3 seasons, right?

Didn't he end up playing for the Ravens or some other team?

We drafted Vince Young in 06. That was the year that Floyd Reese locked Steve out of the practice facility. Then he went to the Ravens. He played there for 2 (06-07) years before he retired in 08'.

[titanfan217]

He may have been a co~signer, remember she was underage.

I feel like I am spamming the board with all my posts, sorry.

I finally am feeling anger towards her..it's like she will never face murder charges, never have to pay for killing someone or be held accountable, at least, here on earth, anyway..

JMO
Kat

I know how you feel.

I want to thank everyone here. You've been my lifeline through this week.

[Kat4Eagles]

The police chief said that he just made a bad decision, based upon the shock. He doesn't believe there was anything significant, and isn't that uncommon.

Not sure if it was the same person, but earlier made a comment, that in crisis people do not even know if it's 3 minutes or an hour.

Oh, I can understand that...
I am sure they were not believing what they were seeing either.
The words, "This is messed up" are haunting...

:(

Kat

[fastpitch]

I thought that he had bought her the Escalade. Now, we read that she was making the payments. What year is the car? Most 20 YOs can't finance that kind of car.

And it is moo, that he would have to be on the loan, to have been on the car title.

Just the insurance on that car would be pricey, not to mention gasoline.

[Kat4Eagles]

I know how you feel.

I want to thank everyone here. You've been my lifeline through this week.


You are more than welcome, I feel the same way.....I just wish we were not posting under such tragic circumstances.

It is going to be so sad when they retire his jersey.....
:(
Kat

[titanfan217]

ESPN is scheduled to telecast the memorial tomorrow evening.

I believe it's 7 pm central.

[Dawn]

He may have been a co~signer, remember she was underage.

I feel like I am spamming the board with all my posts, sorry.

I finally am feeling anger towards her..it's like she will never face murder charges, never have to pay for killing someone or be held accountable, at least, here on earth, anyway..

JMO
Kat

She was 19, she did not need a co-signer. At 18, she is of legal age to borrow money.

Keep your post coming Kat. ITA, she will never face a judge or jury here on this earth for her terrible deed. I have been angry as well.

[Kat4Eagles]

She was 19, she did not need a co-signer. At 18, she is of legal age to borrow money.

Keep your post coming Kat. ITA, she will never face a judge or jury here on this earth for her terrible deed. I have been angry as well.

You are right, sorry!
I am thinking she needed him though and it helped with his name on the lease/contract and maybe even for insurance purposes too.

Being a waitress. it is sometimes hard to get a clear financial picture, because most of your net income is based on tips, and so, she may have needed a boost.

I haven't seen any funeral arrangements for her yet, I guess, her family will keep it low key......(as they should)

JMO

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

ESPN is scheduled to telecast the memorial tomorrow evening.

I believe it's 7 pm central.


Thank you, I see some fans are already paying tribute to him at the stadium.

:(

Kat

[sunstar]

Sorry, I didn't get back on in time. It was on HLN so probably will be repeated there.

http://www.tennessean.com/ will probably have it on-line

Also the following radio station generally covers everything as their station is in the "backyard" of the crime scene, and will have, I believe the police chief in the studio in a few minutes.

http://www.1045thezone.com/Article.asp?id=579117


Comments from the press conference is that they believe McNair was asleep and never knew he was shot.

As far as motive, she thought McNair was involved with someone else.

Also, that even though he "bought" the car for her, she was supposedly making payments plus had another car.

Had told friends over the past week that things were falling apart on Friday night at work had told a coworker that she was going to end it all.

(bolding mine)

Thanks for the update ~ I just read online that he was asleep when he was shot and I'm still trying to catch up. If she wanted end it all ~ why on earth didn't she just kill herself and not murder him too? :flamemad: MOO

[titanfan217]

You are right, sorry!
I am thinking she needed him though and it helped with his name on the lease/contract and maybe even for insurance purposes too.

Being a waitress. it is sometimes hard to get a clear financial picture, because most of your net income is based on tips, and so, she may have needed a boost.

I haven't seen any funeral arrangements for her yet, I guess, her family will keep it low key......(as they should)

JMO

Kat

I read somewhere about Friday in Florida.

[Dawn]

You are right, sorry!
I am thinking she needed him though and it helped with his name on the lease/contract and maybe even for insurance purposes too.

Being a waitress. it is sometimes hard to get a clear financial picture, because most of your net income is based on tips, and so, she may have needed a boost.

I haven't seen any funeral arrangements for her yet, I guess, her family will keep it low key......(as they should)

JMO

Kat

Kat,

Just wanted to say thank you. By your name, I assume you are an Eagles fan.

[titanfan217]

(bolding mine)

Thanks for the update ~ I just read online that he was asleep when he was shot and I'm still trying to catch up. If she wanted end it all ~ why on earth didn't she just kill herself and not murder him too? :flamemad: MOO

If she couldn't have him, nobody was going to.

I believe it was Nashville police chief who said that you can't make suicide/murder actions, logical.

[titanfan217]

Thank you, I see some fans are already paying tribute to him at the stadium.

:(

Kat

Apparently, there have been thousands there. At last report, they had filled 8 books that will be given to the family.

It's open again tomorrow.

[sunstar]

If she couldn't have him, nobody was going to.

I believe it was Nashville police chief who said that you can't make suicide/murder actions, logical.

Oh I know, it's just beyond belief. The other boyfriend is lucky he's still alive and she didn't kill him when something ticked her off. MOO

[Amy S.]

It is difficult to get a car loan, these days. I don't know any 20 YOs that will qualify for a loan on an Escalade, but then, I guess it could have been a 2001 and had 175,000 miles on it. We don't know.

Was she a citizen?

[Adalena935]

Police learned during their investigation that Kazemi had followed the other girlfriend when she left McNair's condiminium. Followed her home. She only knew him for 6 months. Unbelievable.

So lucky she didn't murder McNair's wife, four boys, the other girlfriend and McNair's co-owner and roommate of his condiminium.

The reason these tragic love triangle murders keep happening is no one thinks it can happen to them. This story just made me sick to my stomach it's so frightful. I thank all the powers that be no one else was harmed and tragic that she decided anyone should die.

Her friends said she told them she was going to end it soon. Why oh why didn't anyone goto the police to try to alert someone to the pending tragedy? They're always telling people to be alert and watch for the warning signs. How come no one ever sees the warning signs, or does anything about the warning signs. Is "..watch for the warning signs..' just a snappy cliche the media throws out for affect? People so often don't heed or do anything with the warning. It's so frustrating.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601079&sid=a71OKRVyBjs0

[Adalena935]

It is difficult to get a car loan, these days. I don't know any 20 YOs that will qualify for a loan on an Escalade, but then, I guess it could have been a 2001 and had 175,000 miles on it. We don't know.

Was she a citizen?

It was registered to both McNair and the girlfriend. He's not a pauper. I would think if he bought it for her as a birthday present he would've bought it, not caused her to make payments. I guess love really is blind. Some present if she had to pay for it or help pay for it herself.

Her nephew said she expected to marry McNair and he had been traveling with her to different vacation places. He said the family was not happy with the relationship. I'll bet.

http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2009/07/girlfriend-hoped-to-wed-mcnair.html

[Dawn]

(bolding mine)

Thanks for the update ~ I just read online that he was asleep when he was shot and I'm still trying to catch up. If she wanted end it all ~ why on earth didn't she just kill herself and not murder him too? :flamemad: MOO

Hi sunstar,

How are things going with the Panters? Nice to see you here.

Dawn

[sunstar]

Police learned during their investigation that Kazemi had followed the other girlfriend when she left McNair's condiminium. Followed her home. She only knew him for 6 months. Unbelievable.

So lucky she didn't murder McNair's wife, four boys, the other girlfriend and McNair's co-owner and roommate of his condiminium.

The reason these tragic love triangle murders keep happening is no one thinks it can happen to them. This story just made me sick to my stomach it's so frightful. I thank all the powers that be no one else was harmed and tragic that she decided anyone should die.

Her friends said she told them she was going to end it soon. Why oh why didn't anyone goto the police to try to alert someone to the pending tragedy? They're always telling people to be alert and watch for the warning signs. How come no one ever sees the warning signs, or does anything about the warning signs. Is "..watch for the warning signs..' just a snappy cliche the media throws out for affect? People so often don't heed or do anything with the warning. It's so frustrating.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601079&sid=a71OKRVyBjs0

I also read over the weekend her relatives saying she was so nice and "couldn't hurt a bug". It seems they were very wrong. She killed someone, not accidentally with four bullets, but deliberately, imo. It's too bad her plans to "end it all" also had to include taking someone else's life. MOO

[sunstar]

Hi sunstar,

How are things going with the Panters? Nice to see you here.

Dawn

Hi Dawn!! :seeya: Pre-season is next month!!

[Dawn]

It was registered to both McNair and the girlfriend. He's not a pauper. I would think if he bought it for her as a birthday present he would've bought it, not caused her to make payments. I guess love really is blind. Some present if she had to pay for it or help pay for it herself.

Her nephew said she expected to marry McNair and he had been traveling with her to different vacation places. He said the family was not happy with the relationship. I'll bet.

http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2009/07/girlfriend-hoped-to-wed-mcnair.html

IMO, that is one reason I don't believe it was a birthday present. Like you said, he would have bought it out right. Could be, she was just telling that to family and friends. Trying to make more of the relationship. Again, we will probably never know the answer.

[starling]

you never know the chain of events an affair can set in motion

JMO

[titanfan217]

Police learned during their investigation that Kazemi had followed the other girlfriend when she left McNair's condiminium. Followed her home. She only knew him for 6 months. Unbelievable.

So lucky she didn't murder McNair's wife, four boys, the other girlfriend and McNair's co-owner and roommate of his condiminium.

The reason these tragic love triangle murders keep happening is no one thinks it can happen to them. This story just made me sick to my stomach it's so frightful. I thank all the powers that be no one else was harmed and tragic that she decided anyone should die.

Her friends said she told them she was going to end it soon. Why oh why didn't anyone goto the police to try to alert someone to the pending tragedy? They're always telling people to be alert and watch for the warning signs. How come no one ever sees the warning signs, or does anything about the warning signs. Is "..watch for the warning signs..' just a snappy cliche the media throws out for affect? People so often don't heed or do anything with the warning. It's so frustrating.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601079&sid=a71OKRVyBjs0

From what the x-boyfriend said, he thought she was going to "end it with McNair". Others might have also felt that's what she meant.

[Adalena935]

well, I saw other pics of her, let's just say that it might f not be her face that was so interesting to him (not being mean just realistic); whatever it was, he apparently found her attractive enough to risk everything he had, a wife and 4 kids to have an affair with her. Also wondering why noone heard five shots????

Maybe they thought it was 4th of July fireworks.

[titanfan217]

IMO, that is one reason I don't believe it was a birthday present. Like you said, he would have bought it out right. Could be, she was just telling that to family and friends. Trying to make more of the relationship. Again, we will probably never know the answer.

Some of the things her family said raised some red flags. Apparently he did have dinner with her and her family in Nashville, but there was something about suppose to meet him in Las Vegas, and he didn't show up.

He also supposedly took her to his farm in Mississippi. I know his mother and brother live in Mississippi, but don't know close to the farm.

His family have denied any knowledge of any pending divorce. His Nashville area home has been for sale, but a realtor said McNair and his wife had looked at other properties.