Michael Jackson Part 2 - Holiday Board

[incidentally]

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/05/espn-zone-this-is-michael-jacksons-memorial/

"The ESPN Zone in downtown Los Angeles is across the street from the Staples Center, where Jackson's memorial will be held. The folks there tell us they are expecting a huge crowd and they will even show the service on their screens"

Does this mean ESPN which is across the street from The Staples Center is going to open their doors to the public? When are the parameters being put into place?

This is becoming stranger and stranger.

[aproudmom]

I could imagine they've called it off.

I have no clue but I googled and it sure came up on everything this to me sounds like they don't want the children there..:confused:

One source familiar with the planning process said that the parade would continue but that the school children would have to wait.

[magnolia]

MJ contributed millions to the good on this earth, various charities and such, unlike anyone's relatives here, including mine.

He more than deserves to for once in his life, get something in return from the hearts of others.

You know nothing about me or my relatives.

[Unperson1984]

MJ contributed millions to the good on this earth, various charities and such, unlike anyone's relatives here, including mine.

He more than deserves to for once in his life, get something in return from the hearts of others.


Let's not elevate MJ to sainthood. His lifestyle led to two claims of child molestation, he had mutilated his face beyond recognition, and after abusing drugs for years he apparently died of a drug overdose.

While the bad in his life doesn’t diminish the good, neither does the good wipe away the ongoing bad.

[who_is_it]

I have no clue but I googled and it sure came up on everything this to me sounds like they don't want the children there..:confused:

One source familiar with the planning process said that the parade would continue but that the school children would have to wait.

I've seen this, too, yes, but nevertheless I think they will call the elephant parade off. Furthermore that was on a LA Times blog -- not LA Times news.

There's so much wrong information on the web this moment...., don't worry.

[theKestrel]

Among those attending are likely to be many thousands from the UK, with or without tickets. The TMZ website said that flights from London to LA and to large airports in the region, such as San Francisco and Denver, were rapidly filling up.

The New York Post meanwhile reported that the remaining members of the Jackson 5 were considering reuniting. The paper quoted an anonymous family member as saying Michael's four brothers – Tito, Jermaine, Jackie and Marlon – would seek to fill at least five of the 50 Michael Jackson concerts at the O2 Arena in London, using up to 100 hours of video of his rehearsals as the centrepiece.

The idea was said to have come from the patriarch of the family, Joe Jackson, though there has been no confirmation from any of the family, or from AEG, the promoter of the tour.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/jul/05/la-police-crowd-jackson-memorial

[*Serenity*]

Are you as busy to complain where your taxes go when it comes to the war in Iraq or Guantanamo, for example?

I'm not complaining about 'my tax dollars' for this Memorial, however I have major issues with people complaining about 'their' tax dollars, when NONE of us get to choose where our money goes, except when we vote, and then that is another topic as well.

Basically for those that are furious about the spending for this Memorial, they should take their complaints to the folks in charge.

:)

[CinderL.]

Let's not elevate MJ to sainthood. His lifestyle led to two claims of child molestation, he had mutilated his face beyond recognition, and after abusing drugs for years he apparently died of a drug overdose.

While the bad in his life doesn’t diminish the good, neither does the good wipe away the ongoing bad.

Good grief, the man was an "entertainer".

[who_is_it]

Let's not elevate MJ to sainthood. His lifestyle led to two claims of child molestation 1), he had mutilated his face beyond recognition 2), and after abusing drugs for years he apparently died of a drug overdose. 3)

While the bad in his life doesn’t diminish the good, neither does the good wipe away the ongoing bad.

1) like you said: claims

2) Why do you care? I always care about people who attract me, not the ones whose looks I don't like.

3) Addiction is a disease.

[VC2]

Well I agree with this, the way it is being done is not right for MJ's memory or his family. At the least it should of been held off until after his burial.

why? Elvis was in a procession, Princess Diana was in a procession, both before memorials, MJ doesn't even get that.

However he will be buried first.

imo

[aproudmom]

Well said. He deserves this memorial for the public to say their last good-bye.

I do not think they will be happy without some sort of closure this will be it and then they will all go away....it has happened for alot of people but like I said if it was someone else other than MJ there would not be so much B***** some will say not true but it is JMO

[Unperson1984]

OMG Not sure where that is but they do not charge here but it is not LA either

I live in LA.

[aproudmom]

I got to thinking this is going to bring in alot of money Hotels, restaurants, rental cars, souvenir's and so on..so it will bring in revenue

[Dunlurken]

I live in LA.

Maybe you could move if you don't like where your tax dollars go? :confused:

[incidentally]

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/05/live-lapd-discusses-jackson-memorial/

[*Serenity*]

MOSCOW, Russia (CNN) -- They headed to the U.S. Embassy in Moscow after news broke that Michael Jackson had died. And they're still coming.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/07/05/russia.michael.jackson/index.html?section=cnn_latest

[who_is_it]

I'm not complaining about 'my tax dollars' for this Memorial, however I have major issues with people complaining about 'their' tax dollars, when NONE of us get to choose where our money goes, except when we vote, and then that is another topic as well.

Basically for those that are furious about the spending for this Memorial, they should take their complaints to the folks in charge.

:)

Sorry, I got this wrong; I thought it's y-o-u-r view.

Don't smoothe for the people with a different attitude -- the haters -- the way. If they think they have to complain they should find a way to do so by themselves imo.

[Unperson1984]

Maybe you could move if you don't like where your tax dollars go? :confused:

So I guess I shouldn't comment on this board, after all I don't agree 100% with the majority.

What is your point?

[aproudmom]

I live in LA.

omg I guess I just thought it was normal but I am in Indiana they stop at intersections and stop lights all the way to the to the church..sorry for your loss...

[who_is_it]

Maybe you could move if you don't like where your tax dollars go? :confused:

Had to LOL... but yes: In LA much tax dollars are spent on security for celebrities. The poster maybe really should consider to move...

[Dunlurken]

So I guess I shouldn't comment on this board, after all I don't agree 100% with the majority.

What is your point?

You can comment. Just be prepared to take the heat if others don't agree with you. A really easy concept. :biggrin:

[Unperson1984]

omg I guess I just thought it was normal but I am in Indiana they stop at intersections and stop lights all the way to the to the church..sorry for your loss...

Thank you, I miss her a lot.

[VC2]

IMO a public memorial could have been done later and have been better organized. With thousands of people descending on a place where only 8700 people are receiving tickets (2 each) it is going to be chaos. Out of 8700 tickets -- they are not all being given to the public -- but to showbiz people so don't see how the fans are being allowed to say goodbye at all. I suspect it will leave many thousands very bitter when they get there and cannot get past the barricades and Staples is not putting it on their big screen as was initially reported. I think logic should prevail emotion. :shrug:

I was really upset with the LAPD for that. They are the ones who said they could not put it on the large screen tv.

It is also unfair to the fans to assume they will be cause trouble. I am betting many will be there with their laptops streaming the memorial at the 4 block radius, just wanting to be near. That will be close to having the big screen.

just think it can be handled, it has been handled by many a city before (the poster who mentioned mardi gras -which is full of drunken partying 1000's made a good point) and all the angst over it by the city and some others who want to stop it. There is no reason for MJ's to be any different than other world wide events for a death

Al Sharpton wants a national day of mourning, and slammed the media for not treating his death with the same respect they did Elvis Presley and Frank Sinatra as per CNN just now.

I don't necessarily agree wiht the day of mourning lol, but i sure as heck agree with the second part. I can't remember the same insistence that they should not allow a public memorial etc etc for them

IMO

[aproudmom]

When my mother died on Easter Sunday, we had to pay for Traffic Officers from the our Church to Holy Cross Cemetary.

In this case my tax dollars are being used, and that means I have a right to an opinion.

:rose: 4 Your Mother I am so sorry for your loss and that you had to pay I guess it depends on where you live..

[Scampi]

The ultimate irony of Michael Jackson's death to me, is that it seems to have been an actual "stimulus" package all its own.

I have no problem with people voicing their views on Michael Jackson's life and times, but to continue the trashing on a thread where others are feeling badly about his death, and do not share the view that he ever hurt a child, to me seems wrong.

[VC2]

You sure can link to Oldies/1310. Nothing on their site about delaying the tickets to the MJ Memorial.

http://www.oldies1310.com/news/world/

no there isn't. What i could not link to was the radio report (which is done by a central place for a few imo) I was also incorrect, it was magic 100 because oldies are swing music sunday morning, while magic 100 goes from easy listening to oldies until noon.

[*Serenity*]

Sorry, I got this wrong; I thought it's y-o-u-r view.

Don't smoothe for the people with a different attitude -- the haters -- the way. If they think they have to complain they should find a way to do so by themselves imo.


Well- who... I doubt 'most' take the time to take their complaint any further than this message board. LMAO
AND I find it amusing that non-residents are complaining. :)

I don't live in Los Angeles county so I'm not going to be subjected to the crowds or traffic, however if I did, I could deal with it and realize a few days of discomfort wouldn't be worth complaining about.

[aproudmom]

They both rode, and stood at my fathers funeral earlier this year. Fantastic group of people.

great that is good to hear and the ones I have met are wonderful amazing people...God Bless them to bad we even need that it is horrible

4 Your Father:rose:

[Unperson1984]

The ultimate irony of Michael Jackson's death to me, is that it seems to have been an actual "stimulus" package all its own.

I have no problem with people voicing their views on Michael Jackson's life and times, but to continue the trashing on a thread where others are feeling badly about his death, and do not share the view that he ever hurt a child, to me seems wrong.

For the record Scampi, I never implied MJ harmed a child. I said his lifestyle led to the claims.

[VC2]

The ultimate irony of Michael Jackson's death to me, is that it seems to have been an actual "stimulus" package all its own.

I have no problem with people voicing their views on Michael Jackson's life and times, but to continue the trashing on a thread where others are feeling badly about his death, and do not share the view that he ever hurt a child, to me seems wrong.

nicely said Scampi, very thoughtful, i know we were on opposite sides during the trial, you are a good person to be able to say what you did.

[who_is_it]

When my mother died on Easter Sunday, we had to pay for Traffic Officers from the our Church to Holy Cross Cemetary.

In this case my tax dollars are being used, and that means I have a right to an opinion.

Now I can see your personal reason why you're against tax dollars being spent for Michael Jackson's memorial.

[who_is_it]

For the record Scampi, I never implied MJ harmed a child. I said his lifestyle led to the claims.

I have to defend you at this point.

When I've read your post for the first time I noticed that you just said "claims".

[Unperson1984]

Now I can see your personal reason why you're against tax dollars being spent for Michael Jackson's memorial.

Perhaps I can explain myself better. In Los Angeles if funeral is large enough to require assistance for traffic control it is charged to the family. When the Staples Center hosts planned events AEG has to pay for any needed officers, it's part of the cost of the event permit.

Why shouldn't they pay for the needed officers for this event?

[Scampi]

For the record Scampi, I never implied MJ harmed a child. I said his lifestyle led to the claims.

I wasn't picking on you specifically Unperson, it was just a general thought.

[magnolia]

The rest of us (when going to the hospital; followed by a date in court) would throw some clothes in a bag so that we could change out of pajamas for court. IMO arriving in pajamas in just theatre. Give MJ some credit. Like regularly arriving late and dancing on the limo MJ was showing what he thought of the court.
Even without handlers, bodyguards and limos most people still change clothes to be respectful to the court. Why is this another "poor Michael" and "he had no choice" tale? Michael is a showman and that is the way he wanted to present himself that day. Fans think its cool theatre and others don't think so at all. I'm just surprsed there are folks who think the show was just something the poor guy couldn't help.


Of course he had time to throw on a pair of pants. It's just another example of how people believe MJ had no control over anything and was a life-long victim.

[aproudmom]

I'm not complaining about 'my tax dollars' for this Memorial, however I have major issues with people complaining about 'their' tax dollars, when NONE of us get to choose where our money goes, except when we vote, and then that is another topic as well.

Basically for those that are furious about the spending for this Memorial, they should take their complaints to the folks in charge.

:)

do you try to change things if you don't like it? I do the Mayors liaison is on my speed dial:wink: I agree with you and had been saying the same thing for 2 hours and was even agreeing maybe they should pay for some security but I think if this was someone else we would not be talking about this..it is not all about the almighty tax dollar and we know that..well maybe to some it is..JMO I would be happy to have my tax dollars go to someone who gave tons of money to alot of charities that I am sure each and everyone of us have lost someone to such as Cancer, AIDS, burn victims and so on

[GentleBreeze]

Michael Jackson's love for his children was all magic, no trick, party magician says


"I left with a really warm sense that these were four peas in a pod," Zabrecky said.

Four months after that Feb. 21 party, tragedy struck. Grieving fans were still piling fresh flowers in front of the gates yesterday.

Someone had replaced the withering wreaths with fresh ones, complete with red ribbons and oversize pine cones, perhaps because Christmas was always such an important holiday for Jackson and his kids.

"Big time," a former head of security noted.

They will never have another Christmas together, nor a Fourth of July weekend such as so many happy families are now enjoying.:crying:

The stark fact that three kids have lost their father is what should be foremost in everybody's mind as we proceed to Tuesday and what is neither a show nor a spectacle, but a memorial.

For the sake of the three forever bereft of a fourth, let's hope there is portent in that toy pirate ship right out of Peter Pan and Neverland, battered and broken as if by a storm, but still afloat.



http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/michael_jackson/2009/07/05/2009-07-05_magician_says_music_legends_love_for_his_kids_w as_no_trick.html#ixzz0KOVQ8GKr&D

:rose: Prince, Paris and Blanket!

My heart is with you. Keep the lovely memories of your loving father alive. His spirit will never leave you. He is not only the greatest entertainer in our lifetime but he is remembered as such a sweet and doting father to all of you. Those who were around your father and you and knew him well all speak of how much he loved you all.

I sincerely hope that each one of you feels the love, comfort and support given to you in the most tragic time of your life. I hope that all will continue to open their arms wide to hold you close as you go forward.

You all will make it. I have no doubt that you will see that the your father's legacy lives on and on through each of you. No one can rob you of your precious memories of your father. They will forever remain deep within your heart in a special place only belonging to him.

I have a gut feeling that maybe you three have some new dance moves of your own. Ha! Maybe we will be blessed to see you on stage one day following in your father's big foot steps. You had the best coach ever.

God bless you always and in all ways. I wish nothing but the very best for you and know that the love your father gave you and the love that you gave him in return will sustain you as you go onto make your own mark in the world. Good luck.

[CinderL.]

LAPD -- If You Don't Have Tickets, Don't Come!

Posted Jul 5th 2009 12:27PM by TMZ Staff

The Michael Jackson memorial in downtown Los Angeles on Tuesday is expected to draw a huge crowd, but the LAPD is trying to talk people who don't have tickets out of coming.

Michael Jackson

Assistant Chief Jim McDonnell addressed the press today and reiterated time and time again that people who aren't lucky enough to win the drawing for tickets to the memorial should just stay home and watch it on TV -- or (CHEAP PLUG ALERT) watch it live here on TMZ.

The LAPD will also block off several square blocks around Staples Center (see above) but may expand the area based on the size of the crowd.

To help reduce costs, McDonnell said they would try and send as many cops home as quickly as possible -- crowd size willing -- and that cops making OT would be the first to go. So far, he said, no private entities have step forward to help alleviate the cost.

[VC2]

:rose: Prince, Paris and Blanket!

My heart is with you. Keep the lovely memories of your loving father alive. His spirit will never leave you. He is not only the greatest entertainer in our lifetime but he is remembered as such a sweet and doting father to all of you. Those who were around your father and you and knew him well all speak of how much he loved you all.

I sincerely hope that each one of you feels the love, comfort and support given to you in the most tragic time of your life. I hope that all will continue to open their arms wide to hold you close as you go forward.

You all will make it. I have no doubt that you will see that the your father's legacy lives on and on through each of you. No one can rob you of your precious memories of your father. They will forever remain deep within your heart in a special place only belonging to him.

I have a gut feeling that maybe you three have some new dance moves of your own. Ha! Maybe we will be blessed to see you on stage one day following in your father's big foot steps. You had the best coach ever.

God bless you always and in all ways. I wish nothing but the very best for you and know that the love your father gave you and the love that you gave him in return will sustain you as you go onto make your own mark in the world. Good luck.

Now that made me cry. Beautifully written GB

[Scampi]

nicely said Scampi, very thoughtful, i know we were on opposite sides during the trial, you are a good person to be able to say what you did.

Hiya VC, how are you feeling today? I do worry about my IS friends who feel badly that Michael has gone on ahead and Tuesday is going to be a tough day for family and friends.

I can remember two distinct times in my life when my heart hurt at the death of an entertainer. One was when Lucy Ball died and the second was when Audrey Hepburn left us. Both of these women brought to mind so many wonderful memories with my family.

[*Serenity*]

do you try to change things if you don't like it? I do the Mayors liaison is on my speed dial:wink: I agree with you and had been saying the same thing for 2 hours and was even agreeing maybe they should pay for some security but I think if this was someone else we would not be talking about this..it is not all about the almighty tax dollar and we know that..well maybe to some it is..JMO I would be happy to have my tax dollars go to someone who gave tons of money to alot of charities that I am sure each and everyone of us have lost someone to such as Cancer, AIDS, burn victims and so on

The chariities in the surrounding Los Angeles area will continue to get support from Michael Jackson in his death. IIRC he left 20% to charity which I believe was un-named at the time.

[magnolia]

The ultimate irony of Michael Jackson's death to me, is that it seems to have been an actual "stimulus" package all its own.

I have no problem with people voicing their views on Michael Jackson's life and times, but to continue the trashing on a thread where others are feeling badly about his death, and do not share the view that he ever hurt a child, to me seems wrong.


It's good that you have no problem voicing their views. I'd say there is as much gushing as there is trashing. People have strong feelings about MJ as there have been many red flags in his life. Some people prefer not to gloss it over.

[aproudmom]

In my county -- LE will control traffic as just matter of routine. However, for personal escorts (in front of a funeral procession or behind it) we have to pay for that.

Years ago before headlights were made mandatory -- people respected funeral processions and there was not a need for escorts but with everyone using headlights now -- the escorts are necessary as to not break up the procession.

here they put flags on the front and back escorts so it is just different everywhere I guess and LE goes right to the burial..other cops stop traffic..BTW why are we talking about this..there will not be a procession:biggrin:

[GentleBreeze]

Thousands of fans converged on Memphis in the days following Elvis Presley's death, so many that President Carter ordered 300 National Guard troops to the area to maintain order. All city buildings in Memphis immediately lowered their flags to half-staff.

http://oldies.about.com/od/elvisdeathfaq/f/elvisfuneral.htm

Yep, hubby was right there in the middle of it and it was days...not just one day. Surely this city can handle one day for MJs memorial.

imo

[Scampi]

Thousands of fans converged on Memphis in the days following Elvis Presley's death, so many that President Carter ordered 300 National Guard troops to the area to maintain order. All city buildings in Memphis immediately lowered their flags to half-staff.

http://oldies.about.com/od/elvisdeathfaq/f/elvisfuneral.htm

Thanks for researching and posting that information Athie, very interesting.

[GentleBreeze]

Hi GB -- the MJ fan site has set up a site where you can leave your thoughts and a book is going to be bound and sent to the family. My children and I have posted here as well and you don't have to do any registering -- just post.

Your sentiments are absolutely heart-touching and do hope you share it with his family :rose:

http://www.mjfanclub.net/home/index.php?option=com_phocaguestbook&view=phocaguestbook&id=1&Itemid=161

Thank you for the site link.

I sure will.

imo

[aproudmom]

Hi GB -- the MJ fan site has set up a site where you can leave your thoughts and a book is going to be bound and sent to the family. My children and I have posted here as well and you don't have to do any registering -- just post.

Your sentiments are absolutely heart-touching and do hope you share it with his family :rose:

http://www.mjfanclub.net/home/index.php?option=com_phocaguestbook&view=phocaguestbook&id=1&Itemid=161

thanks for posting this Athena appreciate it..Hi to GB up there..

[aproudmom]

here is the email she gave the other day

The Honorable Councilwoman Jan Perry Los Angeles City Councilwoman, Ninth District Jan.Perry@lacity.org
http://cd9.lacity.org/cd9ci1.htm

[CinderL.]

Thousands of fans converged on Memphis in the days following Elvis Presley's death, so many that President Carter ordered 300 National Guard troops to the area to maintain order. All city buildings in Memphis immediately lowered their flags to half-staff.

http://oldies.about.com/od/elvisdeathfaq/f/elvisfuneral.htm

Elvis served in the military.

[KaraokeDiva]

Perhaps I can explain myself better. In Los Angeles if funeral is large enough to require assistance for traffic control it is charged to the family. When the Staples Center hosts planned events AEG has to pay for any needed officers, it's part of the cost of the event permit.

Why shouldn't they pay for the needed officers for this event?
Exactly!

And for the record, when my parents passed away (about a year apart) we had to follow traffic regulations from the funeral to the graveyard. I guess we could have hired off duty officers to provide an escort but we didn't as the funeral was held in a small town and it was only about a mile to the cemetary. The little traffic we did encounter politely pulled aside for the funeral procession. But legally we had no right of way. (That was in Utah)

[CinderL.]

True or not? From Radar online
*************

Michael Jackson's father Joe just finished his Sunday morning breakfast at an IHOP in Encino, CA and while everyone deals with grief differently he appeared to be anything but in mourning..

Sitting with a male friend, Michael's long-estranged dad was "laughing, smiling and joking" the whole time, an eyewitness at the next table told RadarOnline.com. At one point he mentioned dealing with Michael’s life insurance.

There was no sign of grieving on Joe's part, and no mention of the fate of Michael's children, the source said. The eyewitness thought Joe’s behavior was strange in that he was so upbeat just days after his son’s death.

Joe, who turns 80 later this month, had a tortured relationship with Michael, his superstar son who died June 25. For the record, Joe had coffee, eggs and sausage to start his day.

[Tokyo Rose]

Elvis served in the military.


That's right he did.

Besides what does ordering the National Guard to Elvis's funeral have to do with the 1400 police officers the taxpayers have to pay for??

Two different things. jmo

[aproudmom]

The ultimate irony of Michael Jackson's death to me, is that it seems to have been an actual "stimulus" package all its own.

I have no problem with people voicing their views on Michael Jackson's life and times, but to continue the trashing on a thread where others are feeling badly about his death, and do not share the view that he ever hurt a child, to me seems wrong.

Well it was a good post IMO Scampi even if it got shot down:wink:

[Tokyo Rose]

True or not? From Radar online
*************

Michael Jackson's father Joe just finished his Sunday morning breakfast at an IHOP in Encino, CA and while everyone deals with grief differently he appeared to be anything but in mourning..

Sitting with a male friend, Michael's long-estranged dad was "laughing, smiling and joking" the whole time, an eyewitness at the next table told RadarOnline.com. At one point he mentioned dealing with Michael’s life insurance.

There was no sign of grieving on Joe's part, and no mention of the fate of Michael's children, the source said. The eyewitness thought Joe’s behavior was strange in that he was so upbeat just days after his son’s death.

Joe, who turns 80 later this month, had a tortured relationship with Michael, his superstar son who died June 25. For the record, Joe had coffee, eggs and sausage to start his day.

No pancakes or grits?? LOL

[GentleBreeze]

That's right he did.

Besides what does ordering the National Guard to Elvis's funeral have to do with the 1400 police officers the taxpayers have to pay for??

Two different things. jmo

No it isn't. On top of the Memphis law agencies being everywhere in Memphis trying to contain the crowd the National Guard had to be brought in to assist them.

imo

[Tokyo Rose]

No it isn't. On top of the Memphis law agencies being everywhere in Memphis trying to contain the crowd the National Guard had to be brought in to assist them.

imo

Maybe President Obama will order up the National Guard for MJ.

[CinderL.]

I know that but he did not have a military funeral either or a public one for that matter. It was for crowd control -- because the fans came ANYWAY and local LE could NOT handle it. I believe 30,000 or so were allowed to view him but many more showed up. The point is that it is not MJ's fault or his family's fault that all of these fans will be descending upon LA. They are going to show up regardless and it LE's job to handle the crowds.

If you look at my posts above - I don't even support the public memorial. JMO

No, I know that. I was thinking more about the flags. Yes, LA is going to have to handle the crowds. Even more so now if nut case Phelps shows up.

[annalyzer]

I know that but he did not have a military funeral either or a public one for that matter. It was for crowd control -- because the fans came ANYWAY and LOCAL LE COULD NOT handle it. I believe 30,000 or so were allowed to view him but many more showed up. The point is that it is not MJ's fault or his family's fault that all of these fans will be descending upon LA. They are going to show up regardless and it LE's job to handle the crowds. MJ is just as popular if not more than Elvis was.

If you look at my posts above - I don't even support the public memorial as it should have been held later and better organized. JMO

MJ's body won't be there so no one can view him, right? Do you know when he will be buried?

[GentleBreeze]

Maybe President Obama will order up the National Guard for MJ.

He certainly could if there is a major traffic and congestion problem.

When Elvis died no one drove their cars once they were remotely around Graceland..... they all spilled into the streets. It was total chaos. People were passing out left and right from being overwrought with emotion and then some from the heat of August.

imo

[aproudmom]

http://www.examiner.com/x-9259-Miami-Celebrity-Headlines-Examiner~y2009m7d2-Michael-Jackson-last-performance-video-released-video-from-the-Staples-center

we just never know I keep watching that and it only makes me wanna see the other 100 hours..:crying:

[GentleBreeze]

MJ's body won't be there so no one can view him, right? Do you know when he will be buried?

Have they given the location? I sure wouldn't but it may be impossible for them to keep it private. I am sure the media is their shadow now.

imo

[Cardinal]

http://www.examiner.com/x-9259-Miami-Celebrity-Headlines-Examiner~y2009m7d2-Michael-Jackson-last-performance-video-released-video-from-the-Staples-center

we just never know I keep watching that and it only makes me wanna see the other 100 hours..:crying:

Have no fear - I'm sure you'll be able to for a reasonable price, in the not too distant future. :D

[Ice Cycle]

why? Elvis was in a procession, Princess Diana was in a procession, both before memorials, MJ doesn't even get that.

However he will be buried first.

imo

Yes I was around when Elvis and Lennon and P Diana's was going on and I never said I was against a procession as long as it was tastefully done as their's was mostly anyway. It just appears that the public has been demanding for details to their memorial since the day he passed and putting a little to much party into it too soon. I believe the burial being first has just been decided. At least the family got that.

[incidentally]

Phelps? Like in Michael, the swimmer? He's a nut case? Why? For swimming or being photographed with a bong to his mouth?

No, Arguendo. This Phelps:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Phelps

[aproudmom]

Hi anna -- MJ will not be there; he's being buried on Monday per Fox News.

oh it is Monday thought Tuesday before his memorial when is the hearing then thought it was tomorrow..also did he have a blonde guitarist in the 90's I was watching the Superbowl video and it looks like a women and he had a blonde guitarist for his upcoming tour..which I loved to see...TIA if you know..I figured I was better just googling and reading for awhile..:biggrin: I know slash was on stage with him one time but don't think this is slash

http://www.examiner.com/x-13143-West-Palm-Beach-Television-Examiner~y2009m6d26-Hell-be-there-Michael-Jackson-great-moments-on-television?cid=examiner-email

It would be impossible to forget his 1993 Super Bowl performance

[Dunlurken]

I believe he's going to buried at Forest Lawn, where Marilyn Monroe and Bette Davis are, among others. Don't quote me though. JMO.

[incidentally]

Ahhh... that nut case.

Thank you.

Yes, "that nut case".

You're welcome.

[Tokyo Rose]

oh it is Monday thought Tuesday before his memorial when is the hearing then thought it was tomorrow..also did he have a blonde guitarist in the 90's I was watching the Superbowl video and it looks like a women and he had a blonde guitarist for his upcoming tour..which I loved to see...TIA if you know..I figured I was better just googling and reading for awhile..:biggrin: I know slash was on stage with him one time but don't think this is slash

http://www.examiner.com/x-13143-West-Palm-Beach-Television-Examiner~y2009m6d26-Hell-be-there-Michael-Jackson-great-moments-on-television?cid=examiner-email

It would be impossible to forget his 1993 Super Bowl performance

There is no doubt he was an electrifying performer.

Thanks for the Super Bowl link. I had never seen that.

[Dunlurken]

You know what I learned today that I never knew? I was watching the biography channel, and it said Michael fell and broke his nose at about the age of 22 (off the stage). That's when the surgery on his face started. JMO.

[Dunlurken]

.....as well as a humanitarian.
Yep, 20% of his estate goes to charities.

[Nic99]

I know there's been a lot of conflicting posts about the memorial, etc, etc, but the people of the world should be allowed to join in and celebrate the life and grieve the death of MJ.

I am in the UK and remember the total shock of everyone when Princess Di died suddenly. This reminds me so much of that. Everyone is talking about it and people need to be able to grieve and join in if possible. Isn't that what is going on here? I don't recall anyone talking about the expense re: Princess Di and the clearing up, etc, etc. That just seems in very poor taste imo. MJ was a legend around the world and everyone is talking about this. People at work were shocked and stunned and all ages, were discussing this. That is something rare and no-one can deny that.

[who_is_it]

here is the email she gave the other day

The Honorable Councilwoman
<snipped>


To post an email id somewhere on a message board is a no no. Spammers search the web for mail ids. In a short time the mail id will be spammed with thousands of spam mails.

To avoid spam a lot of companies don't publish their mail ids on their own websites anymore. Instead they use email forms.

[Dunlurken]

I know there's been a lot of conflicting posts about the memorial, etc, etc, but the people of the world should be allowed to join in and celebrate the life and grieve the death of MJ.

I am in the UK and remember the total shock of everyone when Princess Di died suddenly. This reminds me so much of that. Everyone is talking about it and people need to be able to grieve and join in if possible. Isn't that what is going on here? I don't recall anyone talking about the expense re: Princess Di and the clearing up, etc, etc. That just seems in very poor taste imo. MJ was a legend around the world and everyone is talking about this. People at work were shocked and stunned and all ages, were discussing this. That is something rare and no-one can deny that.Thanks for posting. It is something to be shared around the world, for his talent, now his memorial.

I saw a video of kids in the Philippines. Must have been 3-400 of them dancing to Thriller. Each had on red.

[Nic99]

Hi Nic! Nice to see you.
:smile:

Good to be here. Thriller was my favourite. Me and my friends grew up with MJ and he is one of those once in a lifetime people, and we feel privileged to have lived in his lifetime.

[Dunlurken]

Did you know those kids were actually prisoners? I thought it was pretty cool too.

Yes, I remember that now that you mention it.

[taylor63]

Does anyone happen to know if the memorial will be televised live?

[VC2]

You know what I learned today that I never knew? I was watching the biography channel, and it said Michael fell and broke his nose at about the age of 22 (off the stage). That's when the surgery on his face started. JMO.

well well...who woulda thunk it. ANOTHER so called "strange and weirdo" thing that has a perfectly understandable beginning behind it. Yes he went to far, but i certainly understand them starting. Thanks Dunlurken

IMO

[aproudmom]

There is no doubt he was an electrifying performer.

Thanks for the Super Bowl link. I had never seen that.

oh no problem it was good wasn't it that link was the shorter version but it showed his talent

[who_is_it]

Thanks for posting. It is something to be shared around the world, for his talent, now his memorial.

I saw a video of kids in the Philippines. Must have been 3-400 of them dancing to Thriller. Each had on red.

1,500 plus CPDRC inmates of the Cebu Provincial Detention and Rehabilitation Center, Cebu, Philippines at practice!

This was the most viewed private upload on youtube in 2008! Meanwhile 28 millions watched.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMnk7lh9M3o

I also like "Thriller" on a tube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6EDAZ3crdY

It's organised as some sort of flash mob.

[truthdiscern]

I know there's been a lot of conflicting posts about the memorial, etc, etc, but the people of the world should be allowed to join in and celebrate the life and grieve the death of MJ.

I am in the UK and remember the total shock of everyone when Princess Di died suddenly. This reminds me so much of that. Everyone is talking about it and people need to be able to grieve and join in if possible. Isn't that what is going on here? I don't recall anyone talking about the expense re: Princess Di and the clearing up, etc, etc. That just seems in very poor taste imo. MJ was a legend around the world and everyone is talking about this. People at work were shocked and stunned and all ages, were discussing this. That is something rare and no-one can deny that.
you are right..it is an event which defies precedent...period...at no time in history has the world been able to globally communicate in such a way..tweet..message board...tmz...up to the minute details handed over to millions...an icon whose timely message will be heard by many who had judged or were indifferent, hated or loved him...this is a way big deal...i see it as a pivotal moment in the history of our global consciousness...i am awed by what i see when i step back and look at this...i cant think of another event which would produce the myriad of lessons, as well as a unifying journey for so many..it is amazing

[incidentally]

Does anyone happen to know if the memorial will be televised live?

Yes. Several stations will televise it live.

[aproudmom]

You know what I learned today that I never knew? I was watching the biography channel, and it said Michael fell and broke his nose at about the age of 22 (off the stage). That's when the surgery on his face started. JMO.

I saw that also and did not know that until then...

[aproudmom]

Does anyone happen to know if the memorial will be televised live?

yeah and also on live stream I am sure IIRC the link Athena put up thread with his fan site has some of the channels and times listed..I am sure someone will post them on here I just hope it is live stream on CNN.LIVE then I know I wont have commercial breaks I hate that during the live trials on In Session..

[Nic99]

you are right..it is an event which defies precedent...period...at no time in history has the world been able to globally communicate in such a way..tweet..message board...tmz...up to the minute details handed over to millions...an icon whose timely message will be heard by many who had judged or were indifferent, hated or loved him...this is a way big deal...i see it as a pivotal moment in the history of our global consciousness...i am awed by what i see when i step back and look at this...i cant think of another event which would produce the myriad of lessons, as well as a unifying journey for so many..it is amazing

Exactly, this is big around the world, not just in the US. We are all feeling it and everyone is talking about it. This is a global event and of course people want to join in. MJ was loved around the world and whether people want to accept that or not, it is a fact. IMO the majority do anyway, just a few minorities that you will always get, but boy do they bug me sometimes...

[aproudmom]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090704/ap_on_en_tv/us_michael_jackson_tv

NEW YORK – The memorial for Michael Jackson may be a tough ticket live, but it shouldn't be hard to find it on television.

ABC, CNN, MSNBC and E! Entertainment are among the networks that have already announced plans to offer live coverage of the Tuesday memorial, set for 10 a.m. PDT in Los Angeles' Staples Center.

ABC is sending anchor Charles Gibson to Los Angeles for the story, setting aside its typical daytime programming. CBS anchor Katie Couric will also be at the Staples Center, although the network has not yet said whether it was offering live coverage of the memorial.

NBC is not planning live coverage, but will wrap up highlights in a one-hour prime-time special Tuesday night.

CNN has seen its ratings soar with the Jackson story, and it will show the memorial on the main network and HLN (formerly Headline News). CNN International will air the ceremony to the rest of the world. Anderson Cooper, Larry King and Don Lemon are the anchors for CNN coverage. Robin Meade, A.J. Hammer and Jane Velez-Mitchell will anchor at HLN. CNN en Espanol will also cover it.

Chris Jansing will anchor live coverage of the memorial on MSNBC. Fox News Channel hasn't announced its plans.

E! Entertainment will cover the ceremony on its television network and its Web site.

[Nic99]

Just to clarify any posts I've made. MJ absolutely is deserving of a memorial. However, I think this rush memorial put together is just a disservice to his many fans from around the world. There are only 8700 tickets being given out and IMO a later one could have been planned so that many, many more of his fans could participate. I feel bad for those coming from other countries that will not even be able to get close to it and may even miss it if they are not near a television. JMO

Athena2, I have absolutely no problem with any of your posts and can understand totally what are you saying in your post above. That is great and I agree with you; just disagree with the way some were moaning about the cost?? Can't quite get my head around that bit, cos it just shouldn't come in to it really. It is not something that I ever remember being discussed over here about Princess Di and not something that anyone would have felt at the time or after - it just seemed in very poor taste.

[truthdiscern]

Exactly, this is big around the world, not just in the US. We are all feeling it and everyone is talking about it. This is a global event and of course people want to join in. MJ was loved around the world and whether people want to accept that or not, it is a fact. IMO the majority do anyway, just a few minorities that you will always get, but boy do they bug me sometimes...
it is a giant gentle and loving tide which is impossible to stop..the world needs this right now.. a rekindling of the place in our hearts where we are the same..

[who_is_it]

I believe most of the 500,000 people who participated in the jack-o-pot lottery never intended to attend the memorial.

In the end almost no one will show up for the memorial. Most people have to work on Tuesdays. Many people from overseas wouldn't spend as much on a flight to go there (and IF they must know it some days in advance).

Actually the memorial tickets should have been offered to the 02 concert ticket owners from the US first, then to O2 concert ticket owners from Europe. Imo it would have been fair to offer them to US people first because they also have higher cancellation costs for the "no show" in London.

[CinderL.]

Phelps? Like in Michael, the swimmer? He's a nut case? Why? For swimming or being photographed with a bong to his mouth? :lol: No not that Phelps. Fred Phelps

[CinderL.]

Yep, 20% of his estate goes to charities.

Which is very nice. Most wealth people give an enormous sum to charities. They set up foundations. It helps with the taxes.

[Nic99]

I believe most of the 500,000 people who participated in the jack-o-pot lottery never intended to attend the memorial.

In the end almost no one will show up for the memorial. Most people have to work on Tuesdays. Many people from overseas wouldn't spend as much on a flight to go there (and IF they must know it some days in advance).

Actually the memorial tickets should have been offered to the 02 concert ticket owners from the US first, then to O2 concert ticket owners from Europe. Imo it would have been fair to offer them to US people first because they also have higher cancellation costs for the "no show" in London.

Actually there has been a frenzy over here for flights to the US. See the link below:

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/05/michael-jackson-british-memorial/

[aproudmom]

not sure if any football fans just saw Former NFL quarterback Steve McNair was a murder suicide G/F killed him:ohmy:

some nice stuff on here
Michael Jackson Memorial Page ® 1958 - 2009
http://www.myspace.com/michael_jackson_worldwide

[Cardinal]

you are right..it is an event which defies precedent...period...at no time in history has the world been able to globally communicate in such a way..tweet..message board...tmz...up to the minute details handed over to millions...an icon whose timely message will be heard by many who had judged or were indifferent, hated or loved him...this is a way big deal...i see it as a pivotal moment in the history of our global consciousness...i am awed by what i see when i step back and look at this...i cant think of another event which would produce the myriad of lessons, as well as a unifying journey for so many..it is amazing

What a lovely perspective. :) I had similar thoughts earlier after reading about the memorial at the US Embassy in Moscow, but my thoughts weren't nearly so well articulated.

[Nic99]

Will there be a memorial London Eye ride as there has been in the past for celebrities. The one for Heath Ledger, the Aussie was quite impressive.

I have no idea, but I hope there is something. He has been in the papers every single day and its all we are reading about....

[who_is_it]

http://www.examiner.com/x-9259-Miami-Celebrity-Headlines-Examiner~y2009m7d2-Michael-Jackson-last-performance-video-released-video-from-the-Staples-center

we just never know I keep watching that and it only makes me wanna see the other 100 hours..:crying:

This is more or less the only video I've watched several times. I always get so sentimental. It's sooooooo perfect, so much "MJ of the 80s"... and I only would have wished he himself could have experienced how the world would have enjoyed it and loved him.

I've have watched not even one show on tv. I don't bear it when his music is played in clubs or when I have to listen to it when a random car passes in which his music is played. It makes me too sad.

[who_is_it]

Actually there has been a frenzy over here for flights to the US. See the link below:

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/05/michael-jackson-british-memorial/

I've posted the same link before... but I guess it will cause a lot of disappointment imo.

[Nic99]

I've posted the same link before... but I guess it will cause a lot of disappointment imo.

Yup maybe you are right, but it shows that people want to be there and are serious about it...

[who_is_it]

Yup maybe you are right, but it shows that people want to be there and are serious about it...

Btw, I'm from Europe, too. So it was nothing against his European fans, you know.

[who_is_it]

AP Interview: Jackson adviser Tohme breaks silence
by Linda Deutsch

copyright AP
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5j4iqzktGFNZh8j__keDYbGe7bbTAD997RUTG0

Dr. Tohme Tohme (manager) has been stung by allegations he
was a brother of "the Nation of Islam" (maybe because he's Lebanese). In the interview he said he fired some people of "the Nation of Islam".

He also fired Grace twice.

Something really strange in the interview. Allegedly Michael talked to him during his final months about creating a place 10 times bigger than Graceland.

[Cardinal]

Here you go, VC2:

http://www.9and10news.com/category/story/?id=156927

"LOS ANGELES (AP) — It will be Monday before e-mail notifications are sent to those chosen to get tickets for Michael Jackson's memorial service. Notifications were originally planned to go out today. More than 1.6 million people registered for the 17,500 tickets available."

Guess they hit some snags.

[Unperson1984]

I believe he's going to buried at Forest Lawn, where Marilyn Monroe and Bette Davis are, among others. Don't quote me though. JMO.

Marilyn Monroe is buried at Westwood Cemetery, Bette Davis is buried at Forest Lawn, Hollywood. It is believed that MJ is at the latter.

[VC2]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090704/ap_on_en_tv/us_michael_jackson_tv

NEW YORK – The memorial for Michael Jackson may be a tough ticket live, but it shouldn't be hard to find it on television.

ABC, CNN, MSNBC and E! Entertainment are among the networks that have already announced plans to offer live coverage of the Tuesday memorial, set for 10 a.m. PDT in Los Angeles' Staples Center.

ABC is sending anchor Charles Gibson to Los Angeles for the story, setting aside its typical daytime programming. CBS anchor Katie Couric will also be at the Staples Center, although the network has not yet said whether it was offering live coverage of the memorial.

NBC is not planning live coverage, but will wrap up highlights in a one-hour prime-time special Tuesday night.

CNN has seen its ratings soar with the Jackson story, and it will show the memorial on the main network and HLN (formerly Headline News). CNN International will air the ceremony to the rest of the world. Anderson Cooper, Larry King and Don Lemon are the anchors for CNN coverage. Robin Meade, A.J. Hammer and Jane Velez-Mitchell will anchor at HLN. CNN en Espanol will also cover it.

Chris Jansing will anchor live coverage of the memorial on MSNBC. Fox News Channel hasn't announced its plans.

E! Entertainment will cover the ceremony on its television network and its Web site.

CNN is starting its all day coverage live at 6am eastern time (3 am pacific)
fyi

[Cardinal]

[quote=aproudmom;13255701]not sure if any football fans just saw Former NFL quarterback Steve McNair was a murder suicide G/F killed him. Quote

It has not been confirmed that Steve McNair's G/F killed him. It is suspected but not confirmed. Once again, you report erroneous information without a link. Of course you have been doing it all morning. Your penchant for misinformation is overwhelming beside the fact that it is off topic.

You have been on your soap box about Michael Jackson all day. What is it going to take for you to put a sock in it and give the rest of the posters a chance to voice their opinions or facts for that matter.

You have a right to your opinions but so far what I have seen is your continued posting of links to other articles. I realize that google is your friend but you are taking it over the top. I guess you think that the rest of the posters on these boards have no intelligence. It is apparent that you have nothing better to do than inundate us with superfluous infromation we can gather on our own. Please give it a rest. You are boring and redundant. :bored:

Please, by all means, voice your opinion or facts about Michael Jackson. Let's hear them.

And here's your link:

http://www.9and10news.com/category/story/?id=156927

"LOS ANGELES (AP) — It will be Monday before e-mail notifications are sent to those chosen to get tickets for Michael Jackson's memorial service. Notifications were originally planned to go out today. More than 1.6 million people registered for the 17,500 tickets available."

[CinderL.]

[quote=aproudmom;13255701]not sure if any football fans just saw Former NFL quarterback Steve McNair was a murder suicide G/F killed him. Quote

It has not been confirmed that Steve McNair's G/F killed him. It is suspected but not confirmed. Once again, you report erroneous information without a link. Of course you have been doing it all morning. Your penchant for misinformation is overwhelming beside the fact that it is off topic.

You have been on your soap box about Michael Jackson all day. What is it going to take for you to put a sock in it and give the rest of the posters a chance to voice their opinions or facts for that matter.

You have a right to your opinions but so far what I have seen is your continued posting of links to other articles. I realize that google is your friend but you are taking it over the top. I guess you think that the rest of the posters on these boards have no intelligence. It is apparent that you have nothing better to do than inundate us with superfluous infromation we can gather on our own. Please give it a rest. You are boring and redundant. :bored:

I really don't think that was necessary. It is a holiday board. They are different, much slower.

[Unperson1984]

[QUOTE=Logger;13255765]

Please, by all means, voice your opinion or facts about Michael Jackson. Let's hear them.

And here's your link:

http://www.9and10news.com/category/story/?id=156927

"LOS ANGELES (AP) — It will be Monday before e-mail notifications are sent to those chosen to get tickets for Michael Jackson's memorial service. Notifications were originally planned to go out today. More than 1.6 million people registered for the 17,500 tickets available."

Wow, that's really going to add to the confusion. Was a reason given for the delay?

[Cardinal]

[QUOTE=Cardinal;13255780]

Wow, that's really going to add to the confusion. Was a reason given for the delay?

That one blurb is all I saw. Most of the other media outlets are still carrying yesterday's stories about it.

[CinderL.]

[quote=CinderL.;13255781]

Maybe it wasn't necessary but I have a right to my opinion as well even on a Holiday Board.

You do. As she does. Go for it.

[Unperson1984]

[QUOTE=Unperson1984;13255790]

That one blurb is all I saw. Most of the other media outlets are still carrying yesterday's stories about it.

That's going to make it almost impossible for people from out of the area to get here in time to pick up their tickets and wristbands.

[CinderL.]

[QUOTE=Cardinal;13255794]

That's going to make it almost impossible for people from out of the area to get here in time to pick up their tickets and wristbands.

Cnn was still reporting that the emails were going out today.

[truthdiscern]

[quote=CinderL.;13255781]

Maybe it wasn't necessary but I have a right to my opinion as well even on a Holiday Board.
is it possible to state your opinion without attacking the person with whom your disagree or wouldnt it be easier just to put those who bother you on ignore..I'm not very good at holding back either..which is why I think ignore is a good idea...keeps the blood pressure down

[Cardinal]

That's going to make it almost impossible for people from out of the area to get here in time to pick up their tickets and wristbands.

I know. It isn't going to make the situation any easier.

[CinderL.]

[QUOTE=Logger;13255791]
is it possible to state your opinion without attacking the person with whom your disagree or wouldnt it be easier just to put those who bother you on ignore..I'm not very good at holding back either..which is why I think ignore is a good idea...keeps the blood pressure down

I think the quote got messed up. I didn't say that. Logger was saying that to me. :shrug:

oh my. all of the quotes are getting messed up. Yikes

[Mamie]

CNN is starting its all day coverage live at 6am eastern time (3 am pacific)
fyi

See, I knew I heard that somewhere when we were discussing the time difference. I just couldn't imagine that there would be anything going on about this at 3 AM here in California). There might be something newsworthy at 6 AM pacific, which would be 9 AM eastern, but it doesn't even break day until about 5 AM or a little after. JMO

[truthdiscern]

[QUOTE=truthdiscern;13255805]

I think the quote got messed up. I didn't say that. Logger was saying that to me. :shrug:

oh my. all of the quotes are getting messed up. Yikes
lol..I know it was logger...same thing happened to me today...

[Cardinal]

I think the quote got messed up. I didn't say that. Logger was saying that to me. :shrug:

oh my. all of the quotes are getting messed up. Yikes

Just check the quote text, and delete the [quote reference] in the 2nd set of brackets. That'll fix it.

[Mamie]

[QUOTE=Unperson1984;13255800]

Cnn was still reporting that the emails were going out today.

I just signed on to my computer about 10 minutes ago and on my MSN Home Page, it said that Hotmail was temporarily unavailable. I wonder if ticket emails has anything to do with it.

[Cardinal]

I have been saying this for the past three days. There are going to be a lot of empty seats without a plan to but some warm bu!!s in them. How can they possibly pick from the hundreds of thousands of fans to fill the empty seats?

I don't see how they can possibly do that. That would start a riot for sure.

[CinderL.]

[QUOTE=Cardinal;13255823]Just check the quote text, and delete the [quote reference] in the 2nd set of brackets. That'll fix it.

I'll try it.

[Cardinal]

Just check the quote text, and delete the in the 2nd set of brackets. That'll fix it.

I'll try it.

Don't delete the at the end of the text. :)

[magnolia]

Where are you Logger? I'm waiting with bated breath for your opinion. I feel much differently about MJ than "aproudmom" does, but I have found her very repsectful and interested in what others have to say. So...what are your thoughts Logger? You hand seems to have been up and you've been called on. :)

[achristie]

you are right..it is an event which defies precedent...period...at no time in history has the world been able to globally communicate in such a way..tweet..message board...tmz...up to the minute details handed over to millions...an icon whose timely message will be heard by many who had judged or were indifferent, hated or loved him...this is a way big deal...i see it as a pivotal moment in the history of our global consciousness...i am awed by what i see when i step back and look at this...i cant think of another event which would produce the myriad of lessons, as well as a unifying journey for so many..it is amazing


What a beautiful post. MJ was a gentle soul who survived in a harsh world. He shared his exquisite talent globally and will long be remembered. I hope his troubled soul has found peace, while those that loved him are left to grieve. Rest well, buddy.

[Cardinal]

Where are you Logger? I'm waiting with bated breath for your opinion. I feel much differently about MJ than "aproudmom" does, but I have found her very repsectful and interested in what others have to say. So...what are your thoughts Logger? You hand seems to have been up and you've been called on. :)

Thank you, magnolia. We may not agree on much, but we agree on this!

[Mamie]

This is more or less the only video I've watched several times. I always get so sentimental. It's sooooooo perfect, so much "MJ of the 80s"... and I only would have wished he himself could have experienced how the world would have enjoyed it and loved him.

I've have watched not even one show on tv. I don't bear it when his music is played in clubs or when I have to listen to it when a random car passes in which his music is played. It makes me too sad.

I believe in the Hereafter, so something tells me he's smiling from ear to ear over all the outpouring of love from his millions of fans worldwide. JMO

[Cardinal]

What a beautiful post. MJ was a gentle soul who survived in a harsh world. He shared his exquisite talent globally and will long be remembered. I hope his troubled soul has found peace, while those that loved him are left to grieve. Rest well, buddy.

Hello, Aggie. It's nice to see you here. :) And your sentiments are as well said as always.

[CinderL.]

Where are you Logger? I'm waiting with bated breath for your opinion. I feel much differently about MJ than "aproudmom" does, but I have found her very repsectful and interested in what others have to say. So...what are your thoughts Logger? You hand seems to have been up and you've been called on. :)

I have also found that to be true of "aproundmom", as with most of the posters on the regular board. :)

[Tokyo Rose]

What a beautiful post. MJ was a gentle soul who survived in a harsh world. He shared his exquisite talent globally and will long be remembered. I hope his troubled soul has found peace, while those that loved him are left to grieve. Rest well, buddy.

And a lot of little boys will be better off now too, don't you think?

[Olives]

logger reminds me of another little bully who didn't know how to quote others properly, like to dictate to the board too.

:thumbdown:

[Tokyo Rose]

Where are you Logger? I'm waiting with bated breath for your opinion. I feel much differently about MJ than "aproudmom" does, but I have found her very repsectful and interested in what others have to say. So...what are your thoughts Logger? You hand seems to have been up and you've been called on. :)


Can we get over this now? Logger expressed an opinion. I think he/she has a right to do so. It takes nerve to do what he/she did. jmo.

I'd like to lay into a couple of posters myself. I think no one should be baiting him/her anymore. jmo

[CeruleanBleu]

Jackson to be Buried Without his Brain
"MICHAEL Jackson’s brain was removed from his body during the official autopsy for tests to determine whether he had suffered previous drug overdoses.

A source at the LA County Coroner’s Office yesterday confirmed it was “standard practice” where a history of drug abuse is suspected."
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/87786/Jacko-s-brain-removed-in-drug-OD-tests/

[Cardinal]

I believe in the Hereafter, so something tells me he's smiling from ear to ear over all the outpouring of love from his millions of fans worldwide. JMO

I think he is, Mamie. And I know, in that Hereafter, he has found the peace that seemed to have eluded him the last years of his life.

[Olives]

Can we get over this now? Logger expressed an opinion. I think he/she has a right to do so. It takes nerve to do what he/she did. jmo.

I'd like to lay into a couple of posters myself.

You think it takes nerve to speak ill of the dead? Not me, shows a complete lack of respect for the fans and family, not to mention other posters who are sad because of MJ's premature death.

[Mamie]

Have they given the location? I sure wouldn't but it may be impossible for them to keep it private. I am sure the media is their shadow now.

imo



Okay, I was just poking around on my television stations and tuned it to CNN who just had their girl on saying that she had asked Rev. Al Sharpton twice about the funeral. She said his only response was that the Public Memorial was being held on Tuesday at 10 AM.

Then she said they may have gleaned some info from the Assistant Chief of LAPD, today, in that Forest Lawn (Hollywood Hills) staff are meeting with the Jackson family to plan what he called a "package of events" on Tuesday. So who knows whether this is true or it's a facade to throw everyone off and maybe Michael is to be buried on Monday.

I guess we'll know, maybe at the last minute, because I can't imagine all the news hawks not knowing something! JMO

[achristie]

Hello, Aggie. It's nice to see you here. :) And your sentiments are as well said as always.

Thanks, Cardinal. I'm still around and I appreciate the compliment. I'm so sad about MJ. I never bought into all the bad stuff. Just my gut feeling. I think he was a tender being. And I will miss his music.:sad:

[magnolia]

Can we get over this now? Logger expressed an opinion. I think he/she has a right to do so. It takes nerve to do what he/she did. jmo.

I'd like to lay into a couple of posters myself. I think no one should be baiting him/her anymore. jmo

Not baiting anyone. Just responded to his post which I felt like doing, so I DID. That is all. :)

[Cardinal]

Thanks, Cardinal. I'm still around and I appreciate the compliment. I'm so sad about MJ. I never bought into all the bad stuff. Just my gut feeling. I think he was a tender being. And I will miss his music.:sad:

I am too, and I didn't either. And the world will miss his music, based on the reports I'm seeing. How ironic that his death brought the unity he so wanted during his life.

[Mamie]

I think he is, Mamie. And I know, in that Hereafter, he has found the peace that seemed to have eluded him the last years of his life.

Too true, Cardinal, too true.

For Michael :rose:

And his beloved family:rose:

[achristie]

And a lot of little boys will be better off now too, don't you think?

No. I don't agree. I never believed MJ was a pedophile. And I still don't.

MOO Aggie

[CinderL.]

You think it takes nerve to speak ill of the dead? Not me, shows a complete lack of respect for the fans and family, not to mention other posters who are sad because of MJ's premature death.


That is why the regular board is nice because you have the memorial thread, and other threads for people that want to talk about the medical issues etc.

[Cardinal]

Scuse..Me..Could someone kindly start a new thread.?..I am really having a hard time downloading here..and we are close to 1100 posts here..TYIA

LMS

Why don't you start it, Lynda? I think it's a good idea too.

[who_is_it]

Timeline

I tried to reconstruct the time line. Shortly after MJ's death there was the news on TMZ that he got a demerol* shot at 11:30.
http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/26/jackson-family-demerol-shot-caused-death/
* back then: demerol

The 911 call was at 12:21.
http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/26/michael-jackson-the-911-call/

Dr. Murray's lawyer explained a 30 minutes delay of the 911 call by bizarre excuses.
http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/29/jacksons-doc-didnt-call-911-for-30-minutes/

No matter what the true reasons for the delay were [cleaning up the scene? avoiding an unnecessary media circus (unnecessary if he hadn't died?)]:

Imo they wouldn't have had to admit any delay unless
- there was a drug involved and/or
- he was dead already.

Both would come out in an autopsy... but if he neither was dead already or no drug was involved -- why would they "voluntarily" speak out about a delay? (In general) is there anything else which could be revealed in an autopsy which could prove a delay?

[Mamie]

In my county -- LE will control traffic as just matter of routine. However, for personal escorts (in front of a funeral procession or behind it) we have to pay for that.

Years ago before headlights were made mandatory -- people respected funeral processions and there was not a need for escorts but with everyone using headlights now -- the escorts are necessary as to not break up the procession.

And still people break up the processions headlights or not, nowadays. I don't know whether it's stupidity or they just don't care. Same way when they hear a siren behind them or approaching. I was always taught to pull over whether the vehicle sounding the siren is behind you in your lane of travel or coming toward you, you pull over because that vehicle has the right of way even to cross over into the other lane, which might be needed. JMO

[GentleBreeze]

Okay, I was just poking around on my television stations and tuned it to CNN who just had their girl on saying that she had asked Rev. Al Sharpton twice about the funeral. She said his only response was that the Public Memorial was being held on Tuesday at 10 AM.

Then she said they may have gleaned some info from the Assistant Chief of LAPD, today, in that Forest Lawn (Hollywood Hills) staff are meeting with the Jackson family to plan what he called a "package of events" on Tuesday. So who knows whether this is true or it's a facade to throw everyone off and maybe Michael is to be buried on Monday.

I guess we'll know, maybe at the last minute, because I can't imagine all the news hawks not knowing something! JMO

Thank you so much, Mamie.

Maybe they are trying to do the bait and switch. Thinking everyone will rush to Forest Lawn while they are burying him some place else.

imo

[CinderL.]

It is not only disrespectful of the dead to speak so ill of them, accusing MJ of child molestation which you have done several times on this thread, but more importantly Tokyo Rose, it shows a lack of SELF-respect within yourself.

Wait a sec. We all have the right to express ourselves here. I myself didn't follow the trial, or really think much about it at the time. But, from what I am reading, it seemed pretty balanced on what people believed. Seems half and half. People speak ill of the dead all the time. I am NOT talking about MJ now. Just because someone has died doesn't change who they were in life. There are many, many dead people I would talk ill of. AGAIN, I am not talking about MJ, when I say this. If I didn't respect someone in life, I am not going to respect them in death.

[Tokyo Rose]

It is not only disrespectful of the dead to speak so ill of them, accusing MJ of child molestation which you have done several times on this thread, but more importantly Tokyo Rose, it shows a lack of SELF-respect within yourself.

What? Why would he pay 20 million to a father and son to keep them quiet? You do know about the picture of MJ's genitals that was taken by
the police after serving a search warrant. The kid described a mark on his genitals to a T. Wonder how the kid knew about that? Hmmmmm

jmo

[GentleBreeze]

And still people break up the processions headlights or not, nowadays. I don't know whether it's stupidity or they just don't care. Same way when they hear a siren behind them or approaching. I was always taught to pull over whether the vehicle sounding the siren is behind you in your lane of travel or coming toward you, you pull over because that vehicle has the right of way even to cross over into the other lane, which might be needed. JMO

I always pull to the side of the road and wait for the funeral precession to go by. I believe in giving respect to the dead and their families even if I don't know them.

imo

[Cardinal]

What? Why would he pay 20 million to a father and son to keep them quiet? You do know about the picture of MJ's genitals that was taken by
the police after serving a search warrant. The kid described a mark on his genitals to a T. Wonder how the kid knew about that? Hmmmmm

jmo

Asked and answered, countless times. No one, at this point, is going to change their opinion about it. Rehashing it serves no constructive purpose, imo.

[achristie]

I am too, and I didn't either. And the world will miss his music, based on the reports I'm seeing. How ironic that his death brought the unity he so wanted during his life.


Ironic, indeed, but not unique. We mortals NEVER appreciate someone completely until they are gone. Well, I should just speak for myself and not everyone else. I truly feel for his mother and his siblings. I've been in both places. There are no words to describe it, especially as a mother.

MOO Aggie

[Cardinal]

I always pull to the side of the road and wait for the funeral precession to go by. I believe in giving respect to the dead and their families even if I don't know them.

imo

I've always done that too, because my parents did. In recent years, more times than I can bear to remember, I've been in the procession behind the hearse. And it really means a lot when people do that.

[Mamie]

No. I don't agree. I never believed MJ was a pedophile. And I still don't.

MOO Aggie

I agree with your post. I think MJ was simply a victim of his not having a childhood. I think he hungered for it more than anyone knew. Although he was 5'10", he was a child in so many ways. JMO

[GentleBreeze]

What? Why would he pay 20 million to a father and son to keep them quiet? You do know about the picture of MJ's genitals that was taken by
the police after serving a search warrant. The kid described a mark on his genitals to a T. Wonder how the kid knew about that? Hmmmmm

jmo

Who wouldn't if they had the money to do so TR? Even if he went to trial and was found NG again he never comes out from under the taint. You should know that by MJs case where he WAS found NG but it did not stop many from saying he still was a pedophile and that imo began MJs great decline and mounting pain. That even though found NG the tongue waggers still wagged.

The mere allegation of an sexual offense against a child is enough to ruin anyone's life even if that person is completely and totally innocent. Being in court is like rolling loaded dice. Innocent people have gone to prison.

I can see why MJ paid these cases. Money at that time was plentiful. He certainly knew it was all about getting money from him since they preferred the pot of gold than their day in court.

imo

[Cardinal]

Ironic, indeed, but not unique. We mortals NEVER appreciate someone completely until they are gone. Well, I should just speak for myself and not everyone else. I truly feel for his mother and his siblings. I've been in both places. There are no words to describe it, especially as a mother.

MOO Aggie

I think you speak for a lot of us, Aggie. A death, particularly, I think, an untimely one, evokes something in all of us. I really hadn't given much thought to MJ in recent years, after he left the country. But his death brought back so many memories associated with his music. And I find it terribly sad that he didn't have the opportunity to reestablish himself, the way he hoped to.

[Cardinal]

I started next thread..but didnt mention Holdiay thread..but its on the boards..
Carry on guys..Jump on board>>>


http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=13255945#post13255945

LMS:loveeyes:

Thanks, Lynda. See everyone there! :seeya:

[SantaBandita]

If you don't like someone who has died, BASIC human respect is shown merely by not speaking ill of them and instead remaining silent.

Nothing good ever comes by repeatedly attacking the dead, but I do realize that not all people are good, have good intentions nor BASIC humanity.

I agree.

R.I.P., Michael!
:rose:

[CinderL.]

People murder, steal, rape old ladies and set fires to churches too, and that isn't right either.

I'm not sure about you, but I teach my children that just because someone else does it, does not mean that it is acceptable behavior.

I also teach my children to respect their elders and to respect the dead.

If you don't like someone who has died, BASIC human respect is shown merely by not speaking ill of them and instead remaining silent.

Nothing good ever comes by repeatedly attacking the dead, but I do realize that not all people are good, have good intentions nor BASIC humanity.

You didn't quote my whole post...why is that? AGAIN I am not speaking of Michael Jackson. Did you teach your children to respect Hitler. I doubt it. This is way off topic. Sorry to have started it.

[Mamie]

What? Why would he pay 20 million to a father and son to keep them quiet? You do know about the picture of MJ's genitals that was taken by
the police after serving a search warrant. The kid described a mark on his genitals to a T. Wonder how the kid knew about that? Hmmmmm

jmo

Although 20 mil is a great sum of money to all of us (or most of us) to MJ at that time, it wasnt. And a lot of entertainers pay these "nuisance claims" so that they'll go away and they can get on with their lives, careers, tours, etc. That is not unheard of. Insurance companies do the same thing.

As far as the kid describing his genitals, that could have happened in any number of ways, MJ could have been using the bathroom when the kid came in there unexpectedly---who knows, or maybe MJ was telling him about his vitaligo (which is a strong probability) and it came up where else it had appeared on his body and Michael answered the kid by telling him, not showing him. It could have all been very innocent. It's something we just do not know now and will never know for sure. JMO

[Cardinal]

Lynda started a new thread.

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=13255967&posted=1#post13255967

[truthdiscern]

Wait a sec. We all have the right to express ourselves here. I myself didn't follow the trial, or really think much about it at the time. But, from what I am reading, it seemed pretty balanced on what people believed. Seems half and half. People speak ill of the dead all the time. I am NOT talking about MJ now. Just because someone has died doesn't change who they were in life. There are many, many dead people I would talk ill of. AGAIN, I am not talking about MJ, when I say this. If I didn't respect someone in life, I am not going to respect them in death.
it might have been 50 /50 when the trial started..with quite a few uncommitted, like myself..(so far as these boards were concerned)..but as the trial progressed, and the facts emerged..those of us paying close attention realized the sham of a trial and the shameful sneddon...initially, there were baiters and haters but not many of them survived the logic presented..i was appalled at the time by some of their attitudes and unbelievable vileness..there were a handful here who opposed the final verdict...if you are going to say anything about anyone either dead or alive, it is best that it is not hearsay

[kellabeck]

From Article:
SNIP
"If I can't get the chance to get in, I just don't know what I'll do," said Kate Ross, 31, a recently axed financial adviser from Spain, who was among hundreds of fans who converged on the Staples Center.

"I lost my job for this."

:scared: That's pitiable. Pathetic. Ridiculous. Even if she gets to attend...that's worth losing a job in this economy??

[kellabeck]

I am not a "hater", nor am I a "media sheep".

I see many many posters who believed him to be an extremely talented, and generous person. Yet they, myself included, also believe he lived his life by his own rules. None of us had anything to do with his demise, or reports or actions. There was a trial, there were articles by respected journalists, there was his own words that back up many of our beliefs. It is our right to believe what we want, just as it is yours. This is not a fan site, this is a site that discusses crimes. You are bound to hear both sides on this board. :confused:

I for one don't appreciate the put downs because we don't believe what you do. Do we have to be referred to as haters because our views differ?

As much as MJ was talented, he was also accused of crimes and as we are learning, used whatever means available to feed his drug abuse. We have seen this for ourselves on shows like LKL for one that although covers a very talented mans death, also questions his drug use and other aspects of his life. Does this make LKL a hater as well? Does it make him a bad man because the children down the road will be able to see that he brought that topic up? I don't think so. It is unfortunate for the children, but his legacy will include these facts. Is it fair for them? No, but the media didn't force the drugs or any of it on MJ. In my eyes, it is the complete story of MJ that is being talked about by so many of these people. JMO

Hear! Hear! Well said.

[aproudmom]

not sure if any football fans just saw Former NFL quarterback Steve McNair was a murder suicide G/F killed him. Quote

It has not been confirmed that Steve McNair's G/F killed him. It is suspected but not confirmed. Once again, you report erroneous information without a link. Of course you have been doing it all morning. Your penchant for misinformation is overwhelming beside the fact that it is off topic.

You have been on your soap box about Michael Jackson all day. What is it going to take for you to put a sock in it and give the rest of the posters a chance to voice their opinions or facts for that matter.

You have a right to your opinions but so far what I have seen is your continued posting of links to other articles. I realize that google is your friend but you are taking it over the top. I guess you think that the rest of the posters on these boards have no intelligence. It is apparent that you have nothing better to do than inundate us with superfluous infromation we can gather on our own. Please give it a rest. You are boring and redundant. :bored:

well excuse me if I post to much information and got off topic which happens alot in here but I also respect others and try to be polite to everyone..I do not need a lecture on my posting I think one of my last post was for someone who ask if his memorial would be on TV I knew the answer but was trying to be polite and answer someones question..I do not need to be talked that way and do not appreciate it..I have not said anything to you...and if I have made any poster feel stupid I apologize to them and I did not know my post is not allowing others to voice their opinions..

[VC2]

Here you go, VC2:

http://www.9and10news.com/category/story/?id=156927

"LOS ANGELES (AP) — It will be Monday before e-mail notifications are sent to those chosen to get tickets for Michael Jackson's memorial service. Notifications were originally planned to go out today. More than 1.6 million people registered for the 17,500 tickets available."

Guess they hit some snags.

THANK YOU cardinal, so my radio station was correct at noon.

omg omg Tom Mesereau about to join Don Lemon live on CNN coming right up :wub:

[VC2]

See, I knew I heard that somewhere when we were discussing the time difference. I just couldn't imagine that there would be anything going on about this at 3 AM here in California). There might be something newsworthy at 6 AM pacific, which would be 9 AM eastern, but it doesn't even break day until about 5 AM or a little after. JMO

they will start with the story of MJ and show live shots of the crowd arriving etc.

[VC2]

Where are you Logger? I'm waiting with bated breath for your opinion. I feel much differently about MJ than "aproudmom" does, but I have found her very repsectful and interested in what others have to say. So...what are your thoughts Logger? You hand seems to have been up and you've been called on. :)

Bravo Magnolia! We don't have to agree to be civil and minimally respectful of each other

[VC2]

You think it takes nerve to speak ill of the dead? Not me, shows a complete lack of respect for the fans and family, not to mention other posters who are sad because of MJ's premature death.

The whole reason for not "speaking ill of the dead" had far more to do with respecting the living who grieved them than the dead themselves.

No one has to approve of MJ or feel a loss at his death, but it is respectful to remember the millions who are grieving including his family, at least until his memorial is over.

just a thought of mine