Sarah Palin resigns as Alaska governor

[ortiga]

I'm unsure where you get your figure of 250K from but the article you posted says the state is in the hole for 400K and paid much more than 250k.




http://news.aol.com/article/sarah-palin-ethics-complaints/501303


The majority of the complaints have been dismissed.



http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/09/palin.ethics/

You're right, I should have said $296,043 instead of "roughly 250k". That was the state personnel board's figure.

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

You're right, I should have said $296,043 instead of "roughly 250k". That was the state personnel board's figure.

So you are direguarding the $1,963,840 figure?

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/09/palin.ethics/

[ortiga]

But she said on TV many times since last Friday, it was costing the state MILLIONS, and probably MILLIONS more, so she stepped down to SAVE the state. Say what?


How many billions is the Alaska State Budget?

Her accounting methodology would mean that each state employee is of double cost to the state, once for their salary, and once for the hourly work they do. So, how many hours of state employee work was budgeted to go through all her children's travel costs, that she originally billed to the state, someone had to go through all the trips and decide which of them should have been paid by her in the first place.

How much of her "millions" were devoted to going through her kids' state travels? Remember. she paid >8K+ for this, and still says it was "dismissed".

[ortiga]

So you are direguarding the $1,963,840 figure?

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/09/palin.ethics/

Absolutely. That is Sarah speak. The personnel board already gave out the figure before she quit her job. After she quit, then all the new figures started emerging. Why didn't she come up with the figure of 2 million BEFORE she quit?

IMO

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

Absolutely. That is Sarah speak. The personnel board already gave out the figure before she quit her job. After she quit, then all the new figures started emerging. Why didn't she come up with the figure of 2 million BEFORE she quit?

IMO

Perez said the difference is the larger number represents contracts for services not yet billed.

http://www.adn.com/palin/story/858523.html

IMO Troopergate itself would have cost more than 290,000.

[Alliekat]

ADN Confirms: Palin's Story Doesn't Hold Up

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/09/adn-confirms-palins-story_n_228683.html

[Details]

It has.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/09/palin.ethics/Wow - read that a bit more carefully!!!!

In all, state officials say they have spent $1,963,840 to answer records requests from the ethics filings and to respond in other ways to them. Records show that since January 1, 2008, the state has spent $296,043 on such investigations.....

Of these inquiries, the one that cost the most and drew the most attention was centered on whether Palin inappropriately fired the state's director of public safety. This complaint had been filed weeks before Palin's run for vice president... An independent counsel found she had a right to fire him, but in doing so had violated a state ethics law. It found she had abused the powers of her office by pressuring employees to get the trooper fired.OK - so since she's gotten back from running for VP - it's only been 300K - the other 1660K has been BEFORE all of that. Fits in with what they were saying about the Troopergate investigation that Palin herself started being the main cost. When she speaks of millions - she's speaking of the investigation SHE requested, and investigations from quite awhile back.

These are relevant ethics investigations, from Alaska citizens - people who see their per diem, travel budget being abused by the governor, who are worried about crony appointments, who have valid concerns. Palin has had to pay some money back (and while paying the money back did dismiss the ethics complaint - saying it was dismissed is a nice way to pretend it wasn't valid - it was, and that's why she had to pay the money back), has had a report saying there was wrongdoing, just not anything they wanted to prosecute, the IRS has found her per diem excessive - these are REAL questions that should be raised and investigated. The one that cost the most was a very serious issue - and she was found to be in the wrong, to have violated the law.

[Alliekat]

Pullin' a Palin," is currently defined by urbandictionary.com as:

1. Quitting when the going gets tough; abandoning the responsibility entrusted to you by your neighbors for book advances and to make money on the lecture circuit.


"Pull a Palin," which was entered after the 2008 vice presidential debate, is defined by Urban Dictionary as: "To avoid answering questions directly because you don't know the answer, or you don't want the person to [whom you are] talking to knowing the real answer, and talking about another subject you do know something about, or something to flatter or distract the other person, instead."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/09/pullin-a-palin-now-in-the_n_228545.html

:thumbsup:

[Mimi428]

How many billions is the Alaska State Budget?

Her accounting methodology would mean that each state employee is of double cost to the state, once for their salary, and once for the hourly work they do.

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What I'm trying to figure out is the breakdown in the money that was spent strictly for the ethics violations cases.

What I read seemed to indicate that the big figure used covered the ethics stuff - AND - the public records requests.

I grant you, it does take time for state personnel to review those requests to first determine whether or not they will agree to sent the info, or will find a reason to deny sending it.

Maybe I have missed something - but does the state NOT charge for sending the FOIA material? Are they not charging copying fees & the like?

And if they are charging fees - why are the fees not sufficient to cover the costs?

Furthermore, if I am not mistaken, a whole slew of records requests were made right after McCain introduced Palin as his running mate. Those requests most certainly should have been anticipated. I would expect that in the early weeks that the governor was more than happy to have state staff sending out all the self-aggrandizing stuff she was promoting & wanting the world to believe.

If Palin was that concerned about the state coffers being emptied over records requests, she certainly didn't make it known way back when, to the best of my recollection.

So next question for the governor's spokesperson is - how much did the state charge & collect for the information requests?

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

Wow - read that a bit more carefully!!!!

OK - so since she's gotten back from running for VP - it's only been 300K - the other 1660K has been BEFORE all of that. Fits in with what they were saying about the Troopergate investigation that Palin herself started being the main cost. When she speaks of millions - she's speaking of the investigation SHE requested, and investigations from quite awhile back.

These are relevant ethics investigations, from Alaska citizens - people who see their per diem, travel budget being abused by the governor, who are worried about crony appointments, who have valid concerns. Palin has had to pay some money back (and while paying the money back did dismiss the ethics complaint - saying it was dismissed is a nice way to pretend it wasn't valid - it was, and that's why she had to pay the money back), has had a report saying there was wrongdoing, just not anything they wanted to prosecute, the IRS has found her per diem excessive - these are REAL questions that should be raised and investigated. The one that cost the most was a very serious issue - and she was found to be in the wrong, to have violated the law.


I read it, it also goes onto say that the discrepancies are because of hours yet unbilled. Again IMO Tropergate itself would have cost far more than 290,000.

[Details]

I read it, it also goes onto say that the discrepancies are because of hours yet unbilled. Again IMO Tropergate itself would have cost far more than 290,000.Did you read it? Because it doesn't say what you said. It said that of the nearly 2 million, only 300k was after January 1st, 2008. And since Troopergate was before that, and since they say that was the bulk of where the money went, indeed it does say troopergate was more than 290,000. It was a lot more, likely. It's part of the 1.5 million that was before January 1st 2008.

[Mimi428]

I read it, it also goes onto say that the discrepancies are because of hours yet unbilled. Again IMO Tropergate itself would have cost far more than 290,000.

I don't know what Troopergate cost & I would hesitate to guess about it.

But the one thing we do know about Troopergate is that the investigation was initiated BEFORE she came to the attention of all of America via John McCain's run for POTUS.

So that one, she sure cannot blame on the mean ol' media.

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

Did you read it? Because it doesn't say what you said. It said that of the nearly 2 million, only 300k was after January 1st, 2008. And since Troopergate was before that, and since they say that was the bulk of where the money went, indeed it does say troopergate was more than 290,000. It was a lot more, likely. It's part of the 1.5 million that was before January 1st 2008.




Perez said the difference is the larger number represents contracts for services not yet billed.

http://www.adn.com/palin/story/858523.html

[Mimi428]

And here is the page of the Alaska Statute which covers the Records Request stuff - & they DO charge fees.

http://touchngo.com/lglcntr/akstats/STATUTES/Title40/Chapter25/Section110.htm

Here's just one part of it.

(h) Notwithstanding other provisions of this section to the contrary, the judicial branch may establish by court rule reasonable fees for the inspection and copying of public records, including record searches.

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

I don't know what Troopergate cost & I would hesitate to guess about it.

But the one thing we do know about Troopergate is that the investigation was initiated BEFORE she came to the attention of all of America via John McCain's run for POTUS.

So that one, she sure cannot blame on the mean ol' media.


Oh I agree with you. The cost of that investigation alone in my opinion must be high, much highter than the 290,000 number being thrown around. I believe Palin has made mistakes, have probaply been guilty of more than we will know-- but to blame all the worlds ills on her because she is not liked is just wrong IMO. It needs to stop, she gets more attention on these forums than health care and the enviroment, wefare etc.

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

Why do you post, then? I know why I do, I want to point out that Sarah has brought HER ills upon herself, and the state has suffered, also. It doesn't need to stop, but I can understand why her fans, who very well be in shock and denial, want it to!



As have a thousand other politicians, but I don't see thread after thread about them and so much interest that it has become a spectacle. If you don't like what they have done comment and move on. But good night, you would think Palin, from the inception of her stepping into the national arena was the Anti Christ, the hatred, vile names, vile accusations about her family have NOT stopped for a year almost. Why not let it go?

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

http://www.alaskadispatch.com/palin-watch/1282-palin-is-now-free-to-exercise-her-real-power-



A view held by many Palin supporters, I'm sure.

IMO

Well, you know what is coming-- either there is something coming that she is going to fall hard for-- or she is going for the golden ring-- president.

[Mimi428]

Oh I agree with you. The cost of that investigation alone in my opinion must be high, much highter than the 290,000 number being thrown around. I believe Palin has made mistakes, have probaply been guilty of more than we will know-- but to blame all the worlds ills on her because she is not liked is just wrong IMO. It needs to stop, she gets more attention on these forums than health care and the enviroment, wefare etc.

I still can't fathom why the state of Alaska couldn't figure out a way to cover the costs for all the public record requests the governor's spokesperson said they got. Heck, they could have made it into a money-making venture. They sure don't need an attorney to look over every single request when the request is for the same info over & over again, but is being requested by separate entities. They make the determination & advise - a, b, c - l, m, n, o, & p is OK to release, but definitely not q, r , s, t, etc because the state will claim executive privilege or the like. The governor's spokesperson makes it sound as if the state attorneys had to re-invent the dang wheel with every request.

As for what 'needs' to happen about any particular thing - what can I say? We all have the 1st amendment right to petition the government for the redress of a grievance. We can hound our legislators to change what we don't like. We can vote, be active in our communities. But when it comes to individual behaviors that are not illegal - I think we want to make our own decisions about what is a 'need' and what is a 'wish'.

JMO

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

I still can't fathom out why the state of Alaska couldn't figure out a way to cover then costs for all the public record requests the governor's spokesperson said they got. Heck, they could have made it into a money-making venture. They sure don't need an attorney to look over every single request when the request is for the same info over & over again, but is being requested by separate entities. They make the determination & advise - a, b, c - l, m, n, o, & p is OK to release, but definitely not q, r , s, t, etc because the state will claim executive privilege or the like. The governor's spokesperson makes it sound as if the state attorneys had to re-invent the dang wheel with every request.

As for what 'needs' to happen about any particular thing - what can I say? We all have the 1st amendment right to petition the government for the redress of a grievance. We can hound our legislators to change what we don't like. We can vote, be active in our communities. But when it comes to individual behaviors that are not illegal - I think we want to make our own decisions about what is a 'need' and what is a 'wish'.

JMO

LOL we agree yet again, however I do not know what the states red tape is in regards to requests. Seems redundant-- to the point of inanity.

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

Why would I? She ran a nasty hateful campaign., neglected her state, where some of my family and friends are, and is now playing the victim instead of stepping up......The spectacle IS Sarah Palin, imo.

If she has done all you claim-- do you think she is the first? Nope and won't be the last.

Sanford has lied, cheated, neglected his state, dissapeared, put his state in jeopardy and god knows what else. he is hardly mentioned here. Eliot Spitzer same as did Patterson. They all took the publics trust and said to hell with it.


What would you like Palin to do? Quit? She did, she can't hurt your friends and family any more as you claim she has. Her approval ratings were from 93-60 percent-- she could not have been as bad as you present.

[GossipGirl]

Why would I? She ran a nasty hateful campaign., neglected her state, where some of my family and friends are, and is now playing the victim instead of stepping up......The spectacle IS Sarah Palin, imo. She will put herself in the same position over and over, I'm thinking. Sarah should let it go. She's the one who quit.

Hear!! Hear!!
Honestly, she was Peter Principled the minute she left the school board, or PTA, or soccer coach or wherever she started out from. Her time as Wasilla mayor is when this sports complex stuff happened, no?
GG

[theal3]

I recall during the Primary, a reporter saying the state was charging for the public records.....
BTW Sarah is on the cover of Time Mags new issue coming out. How cute. gorgeous pic with Alaska backgroud of blue water and mountains and she in her waders. Very favorable looking. too. How can she complain about the media, when she needs them to promote her, keep her in the news. She called the press conference and was more than willing to "pose."

[LisaM22]

Thank you Mimi, I really apperciate the kind and thoughful answer, at least someone here sees what I am asking and KNOWS the answer has not been given. I have been to the we site and can't find the answer but Thank you, again.

I doubt Palin will ever give us a straight answer about anything

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

I doubt Palin will ever give us a straight answer about anything



So the entire state of Alaska's accounting department is covering for Palin and lying for someone who quit? Why, why would they jeopardize their lives for someone who is nobody now? Why would they make up all these figures and let them stand for a person who has been accused of horrible transgressions to her constituents? Why are these people who have been so neglected helping her? Help me understand this.

[Alliekat]

I doubt Palin will ever give us a straight answer about anything


Have you heard? It's officially now in the Urban Dictionary: "Pullin' a Palin"

Pull a Palin," "To avoid answering questions directly because you don't know the answer, or you don't want the person to [whom you are] talking to knowing the real answer, and talking about another subject you do know something about, or something to flatter or distract the other person, instead."

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

You present all the reasons she was that bad, and then say she couldn't have been......I don't 'want' her to do anything, but don't expect that I'll stop calling her/it as I see her/it. She has begged, imo, for people to discuss her, and they are. I find it ironic and a bit humorous, that her fans wanted to shove her down America's throat, knowing little about her, and now, want her detractors to 'just stop'.

Shove her down your throat? Huh? IIRC it was her detractors that shoved every bit of dirt they could find-- be it false or what have you down peoples throats. From her sex life, to her birthing babies, how her son was not her son, where and when she took her son out- to bridges to fruit flies to snowmobiles.

Everything she ever did or did not do was put under a magnyfying glass. BY HER DETRACTORS-- Comedy Shows joked about incest and David Letterman joked about undersage sex. IT HAS NOT STOPPED. I see no one saying SNL went too far or Letterman -- no they defend them under free speech. She was a running mate to McCain, they were not elected. But one would think they were with the hatred and venom coming from those who hate her so.

[LisaM22]

So the entire state of Alaska's accounting department is covering for Palin and lying for someone who quit? Why, why would they jeopardize their lives for someone who is nobody now? Why would they make up all these figures and let them stand for a person who has been accused of horrible transgressions to her constituents? Why are these people who have been so neglected helping her? Help me understand this.

obviously not everyone, her spokesperson must not of known he was supposed to lie or wouldn't

http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/republican-party/key-reason-palin-gave-for-quitting-appears-to-be-false/

"based on the fixed salaries of lawyers in the governor’s office and the Department of Law. The money would have gone to the lawyers no matter what they were doing."

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

obviously not everyone, her spokesperson must not of known he was supposed to lie or wouldn't

http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/republican-party/key-reason-palin-gave-for-quitting-appears-to-be-false/

"based on the fixed salaries of lawyers in the governor’s office and the Department of Law. The money would have gone to the lawyers no matter what they were doing."

That quote is not atrubuited to Murrow, would you care to read it again?

But Murrow, the spokesperson, acknowledged to our reporter, Amanda Erickson, that this total was arrived at by adding up attorney hours spent on fending off complaints — based on the fixed salaries of lawyers in the governor’s office and the Department of Law. The money would have gone to the lawyers no matter what they were doing. The complaints are “just distracting them from other duties,” Murrow said

[LisaM22]

That quote is not atrubuited to Murrow, would you care to read it again?


the information came from him, the quote is from the article, did you read it?

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

the information came from him, the quote is from the article, did you read it?

They quote Murroow as saying :



"The complaints are “just distracting them from other duties,”.

Why not quote him if he said that as well? That is th only line they quote him on. The only one. Why not use something else he said verbaitum?

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

sorry, we witnessed two different campaigns, and abandoning Alaska. Snowmobiles, son, bridges, etc where ALL used by HER. She KNEW her situation and STILL brought stuff up, and wonders why she was hammered with her misspeaks, falsehoods and uneducated interviews? Sorry, sympathy is empty for her. I say again, IT WON"T STOP as long as SARAH continues on this path!! SHE is a walking, speaking public mishap, imo. And, a lot of other's opinion, too.

:rolleyes:

Sounds like you mean it won’t stop until she breaks? Yup let’s attack her because she is wearing a jacket. Sorry I saw what her detractors did as did many others and they should be ashamed of themselves, period and many are. She HAS QUIT what else do you want?

As for "abandoning Alaska", will you accuse any Governor who runs for VP of the same? And did Obama abandon his position of a Senator when he campaigned for 2 years? Did he abandon his constituents since he had the third worst 2nd worst absent voting record under McCain.

I'm going to the store I may or may not be back later. Have a good evening all.

[LisaM22]

They quote Murroow as saying :



"The complaints are “just distracting them from other duties,”.

Why not quote him if he said that as well? That is th only line they quote him on. The only one. Why not use something else he said verbaitum?

if he was lying, I am sure palin would of called him on it by now, face it, sounds like she was lying to me

[daniel green]

snipped It needs to stop, she gets more attention on these forums than health care and the enviroment, wefare etc.

What needs to stop? :confused:

It is not against TOS to have many posters interested in a particular subject. Especially one that is the current news cycle.

The Moderator has been very clear in stating that if one doesn't like a particular subject one should just not post on the thread.

[daniel green]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/09/levi-johnston-palin-resig_n_229182.html

AP story

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

What needs to stop? :confused:

It is not against TOS to have many posters interested in a particular subject. Especially one that is the current news cycle.

The Moderator has been very clear in stating that if one doesn't like a particular subject one should just not post on the thread.

:confused:


EXACTLY what I referred to in the post you snipped. Go back and read what I said the sentence that you snipped or continue to take my words out of context.

[daniel green]

By comparison, Palin's decision to abandon her gubernatorial duties is much harder to understand or justify. Whether this is a prelude to a presidential bid in 2012, preparation for a high-paying media career or just a return to private life in Wasilla, the puzzlement and derision Palin has encountered are well justified. One of the traditional values for which conservatives are supposed to stand is: Finish what you started. Meet your responsibilities. This looks like a wholly selfish decision on her part, with no large principles at stake.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/08/AR2009070802536.html?nav=hcmoduletmv

David Broder's column.

[daniel green]

The reasons she gave for stepping down are not just contrived or implausible but literally nonsensical. She can most effectively serve the people of Alaska by ceasing to exercise the powers of chief executive? She worries that as a lame duck she would somehow be compelled to waste taxpayer money on useless junkets? In her "Don't Cry For Me, Alaska" news conference announcing her departure, the folksy non sequiturs -- "Only dead fish go with the flow" -- were like nuggets of Cartesian logic amid a tub of mush. But I'm stating the obvious. The thing is, Palin's unsuitability for high public office has been obvious all along. Tina Fey got it right; the rest of us were far too reluctant to state plainly that the emperor, or empress, has no clothes.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/06/AR2009070603141.html

Eugene Robinson is right on the money in this piece.

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/09/levi-johnston-palin-resig_n_229182.html

AP story

Ahhh yes one to go to for a story, A man who and I quote “thinks and believes” that that is the reason. A man who is perusing his own book and movie deals. Sounds like he wants his story to be very sellable and juicy. Yup I would trust every word out of his mouth. LOL

[daniel green]

- "I think on a national level, your department of law there in the White House would look at some of the things that we've been charged with and automatically throw them out."

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/sleuth/

It truly is unbelievable to read that. Bad enough to hear it, but when I see it in writing, yikes. :ohmy:

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

:seeya: As I said, some fans are in shock and denial.

Pssssttt

Repeating something does not make it true. :wink:

[daniel green]

"In other words, while these lawyers might have been free to do other legal work for the state, the ethics complaints have apparently not had the real world impact Palin has claimed, and didn’t drain money away from cops, teachers, roads and other things."

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/09/palin-ethics-factcheck/

[CindR]

So when she says a higher calling then "calling" must really mean income bracket. I am off to urban dictionary.
MO

I think that's exactly what it means - her pocketbook and the bank are calling her.

[theal3]

I heard a pundit speaking recently which I tend to agree with: she comes from a sparsely populated state with less competition to run for elected offices in the state, so the pool of people seeking public offices from Mayor to state levels is less to draw from and it's not that difficult to get elected to public office, as compared to the very competitive lower 48 states, and she very well may be effective for her state, but not ready for the "competition" on the national scene in the lower 48 where you need tons of money to run, and a huge staff for a successful campaign, and she has nothing like that in place, and would need to develop it if seeking a future higher public position. And the media which she keeps blaming for things, she'll need as she goes forward. And there is no doubt she is making a move to emerge as leader of the Far Right in the lower 48.

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

I just found this. This is a beauty:

Palin Legal Fund Challenged As Ethics Violation



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/27/palin-legal-fund-challeng_n_192044.html


Story is Three months old--So I searched the fourm and found it was already discussed here:

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=351969&highlight=Palin+legal+fund&page=5

Scroll down...

Seriously seems to be a lot of repeating of the same stories with a slight twist on words...

[daniel green]

Ahhh yes one to go to for a story, A man who and I quote “thinks and believes” that that is the reason. A man who is perusing his own book and movie deals. Sounds like he wants his story to be very sellable and juicy. Yup I would trust every word out of his mouth. LOL

How times change. Gosh, just last summer/fall he was a stand-up great young man. :sad:

[daniel green]

Didn't she say during one of her interviews yesterday while in her fishing waders that she isn't a quitter, that you have to be a fighter to quit (the gist of it)??????? :lol:

snipped

She said she is not a quitter, she is a fighter.

Go figure.

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

No twisting of words here. Those are the AP's words. First time I've seen it and it's very relevant to the discussion on this thread. :tonguewag:

JMHO


Baloney what? That the story is not three months old? Or that is hasn't already been discussed? Because it is and has been!

I never said you twisted anything-- I said the stories are repeated over and over on this forum with a slight twist in words. IOW the news story added a few more words and it is highlighted on this forum as a brand new story.

Look at this thread for example. How many different times has the story of Palin supposedly exaggerating costs of ethics complaints been posted? This thread alone in two pages it has been posted 8 different times.

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

It's truly too bad that you, and the rest of the Palin supporters, don't want her discussed. As long as she continues to provide reasons to comment on her behavior and actions, people will do so. If she doesn't want her family discussed, then she should keep them away from public view.

Now, you all have the option of not reading anything relating to her, or listening to the MSM or TH shows, but you are NOT going to stop anyone from exercising their First Aendment Rights. Okie Dokie???? Do we all understand each other now???

JMHO



As I said before just because you claim it does not make it so. I never said not to discuss her. I said it has turned into a hate fest and IMO nothing sort of harassment. I also said I don't understand it. First Amendment does not cover that.

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

I don't believe anyone has violated the TOS. Why don't you check with CW if you think so. Otherwise, we're going to keep discussing what we please within the guidelines CW has set. :seeya:

JMHO

I have read the rules and have read this forum for some time I have seen CW ask over and over NOT to repeat the same story and to use the search feature before posting.

[theal3]

She Announced her resignation last Friday over a holiday weekend and in the middle of the 24/7 Jackson coverage. A good way to bury a story, but then WHY did she call all media outlets and have one one ones with every major network and now will be featured on cover of Time Magazine coming out. She LIKES the publicity. She basically repeated everything she said last Friday...... The media covers her, cause people WATCH what is unfolding and wonder WHY? and Why now, and what does it mean for the future, and so she interviews and it get covered. She puts herself in the news. And IF she misspeaks or says things that do not make sense or are wrong, the media points it out, and it gets mentioned here. That is not hate speech or mean or anti Sarah. It just baffling...strange, and she was seeking the job to be a heartbeat away from the Presidency. Unreal IMHO. Actually, McCain did her a favor: it opened up many opportunities for her. Practically no one knew who she was before last Sept., including the media., who had to scramble Ancorage papers and Wikipedia to find out anything, as McCain's team didn't reveal much except she was a first term Gov., in her 21st month of a term of 48 months, and had 60% approval rating in her state; an energy expert, and a Maverick, like McCain. That was about it.

[daniel green]

I have read the rules and have read this forum for some time I have seen CW ask over and over NOT to repeat the same story and to use the search feature before posting.

For THREADS. Not to start duplicate threads.

To post various articles and op pieces about a news event or person in the news, in one thread, has never been a problem.

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

SNIPPED

What hate fest?

JMHO
*Quote snipped*

I will stop right there just read the posts in this forumand the other going back to when it was first announced she was running for VP. LOL Yes, it is a hate fest.

I am no fan of Palin, I am wondering why once again as I did to begin with she gets more attention than health care, ecomony, ecological prospects. It makes no sense-- everyone seems to jump to the worst conclusion about anything she says or does.

There are far more important things in the world-- however it seems that the time and energy spent bashing Palin here and elsewhere could power the country for a year.

A shame that so much energy is put into destroying a woman and her family. A shame that energy could not be focused elsewhere.

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

What total nonsense. The woman is destroying herself, and her career. There is no one else responsible for Palin, and her family, but Palin herself.

She keeps thrusting herself at the public in any way she can. Negative attention and publicity seems to be better than none. If she doesn't want anyone to comment on her deeds, then she shouldn't do them. If she doesn't want anyone commenting on her speeches and interviews, then she shouldn't give any. It's simple.

However, don't even think about blaming anyone but Palin for her own self-destruction.

GMAB!

JMHO

BALONEY if SNL wants to put on horrible skits about incest and Letterman anout underage sex and the Daily Kos and other outlets about Bristol mothering Trig-- THOSE OUTLETS are solely RESPONSIBLE no matter how YOU spin it. Outlets who strech the truth for a story are responsible.

The news is there to MAKE money and in order to do that a juicy story makes money -- one people like to discuss-- one people do not like and do not care what is said. Those who feed off of others pain and or embarassment. Lets face it-- If it were not for Palin it seems this forum would be dead. Look at the time spent discussing her and her family.

Give ME a break!

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

:lol: you might wish to do a little research. Fox "news" were the ones who sued for the 'right' to lie.

And? That has what to do with me or what we are discussing?

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

First of all, get a ladder to get down from that soap box so you don't break a leg or something. :lol:

Second, if you have a beef with every television show, and news outlet and the way they operate, may I suggest you take it up with them?? I don't hear you complaining about the way they treat a Democrat.

I think you're living in the wrong country because we don't allow censuring of our TV shows, newspapers, TH shows, or MSM. Cuba runs their country like that, and.............................well, nuff said.

JMHO

No you are the one who said:

What total nonsense. The woman is destroying herself, and her career. There is no one else responsible for Palin, and her family, but Palin herself.


I said that media outlets who have hurt her family or tried to to make a buck by lying and or saying horrible lies about the family are responsible for WHAT THEY SAY AND HAVE DONE--- not Palin.

Yet you argue that those things are just fine and if I don't like it I should leave. You are wrong free speach does not inclue slander and liable. I can't imagin what you and other would be saying if this were said of Sasha and Malia.

We do censure slander and liable, death threats, etc.Some speech is illegal The lies about Palin's daughter mothering Trig and the incest are slander and liabel no matter how you slice it.

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

Please scroll on back - YOU posted regarding "outlets" being 'responsible.' So, are we to believe YOU have no problem with lying, if the privilege is limited to Fox?

Seriously, you are not offended by Fox suing for the right to lie?

You have made an assumption I read/watch Fox I do not. We are discussing Palin and false statements made about her children by SNL and Letterman and the Daily Kos-- they lied what have you to say about maligning children and slandering them?

[daniel green]

As per CW's repeated admonitions, the family/children are off limits here, as they should be.

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

First, no one told you to leave. Don't try to create an issue that doesn't exist.

Second, what lies??? What slander???? Heck, Palin turned the whole country upside down over a joke in poor taste by Letterman. If anyone lied about her she'd already be in court and all over the air waves in the MSM, TH shows, etc. :lol:

You seem a little too invested in this issue and probably should take a step back to gain your perspective. I don't think you're seeing the facts for what they really are. For starters, try asking yourself why she hasn't filed any slander suits if someone has told lies about her?
HINT: Because no on has???????????

JMHO

JMHO

Oh no you said I was "living in the wrong country" for being offended that SNL ran a skit about incest and Letterman jokes about children and the Daily kos says Bristol Palin mother her brother.

The problem is YOU don't seem to see a poblem with any of that. And that is scary.

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

As per CW's repeated admonitions, the family/children are off limits here, as they should be.

That I could not agree more with. In the older threads they were discussed at length

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

I doubt they ever existed. First I've ever heard about that filth until you posted it here tonight. :thumbdown:

JMHO


Well them you are living with your head in the sand they existed SNL caught all kinds of flack as did Kos. Seems you wish to ignore the truth and say is is lies.

[Banditta]

Palin continues to put her "self" out there. Is everyone just supposed to sit back and listen to her drivel? Really, she's become quite the whiner. She wants attention, then complains.:confused:

[Mimi428]

He's one to talk. That kid needs to sit down and shut up imo.

Maybe he is just a fast learner. Seems to me that the larger audience knew pretty much nothing about him until he was pulled into the spotlight by Palin. I think he got a good education on how to make hay while the sun shines during the time he spent with the Palin family.

The thing I can't figure out is how someone who promoted herself as being shocked, horrified & outraged over comments made about Bristol would make nasty comments about the father of her grandchild. Johnston is in the exact same situation Bristol found herself in - a young person on the verge of adulthood - who had his/her personal privacy sacrificed to Sarah Palin's personal & political ambitions.

Palin dragged both Bristol & Levi into the spotlight & she apparently did not give a rat's patoot about the fact that they would each be put under the microscope. If she was half as offended by the comments that were being made about Bristol, she has had many opportunities to demonstrate the example she would like others to take.

But look at what we got from her - vicious slams against someone who will always be the father of her grandchild. And that is about as hypocritical as it gets, IMO.

[ortiga]

http://www.adn.com/opinion/view/story/859724.html

Ever since being chosen for the Republican ticket last summer, Gov. Palin has seemed more and more disengaged from the daily work of running state government. Given the continuing pull of national politics and a diminishing interest in governing Alaska, her decision to leave appears to be the right decision for Alaska.


BOTTOM LINE: The explanations are perplexing, but Alaska will be better off with a governor who wants to do the job.

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[CindR]

Maybe he is just a fast learner. Seems to me that the larger audience knew pretty much nothing about him until he was pulled into the spotlight by Palin. I think he got a good education on how to make hay while the sun shines during the time he spent with the Palin family.

The thing I can't figure out is how someone who promoted herself as being shocked, horrified & outraged over comments made about Bristol would make nasty comments about the father of her grandchild. Johnston is in the exact same situation Bristol found herself in - a young person on the verge of adulthood - who had his/her personal privacy sacrificed to Sarah Palin's personal & political ambitions.

Palin dragged both Bristol & Levi into the spotlight & she apparently did not give a rat's patoot about the fact that they would each be put under the microscope. If she was half as offended by the comments that were being made about Bristol, she has had many opportunities to demonstrate the example she would like others to take.

But look at what we got from her - vicious slams against someone who will always be the father of her grandchild. And that is about as hypocritical as it gets, IMO.

All good points, Mimi.

I still think the kid is being a jerk, maybe with good reason. I don't know if he's telling the truth or not. I don't trust him or Palin, really.

[ortiga]

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/vulnerable-republicans-want-palin-to-stay-home-2009-07-09.html

Though the soon-to-be-former Alaska governor is seen as popular with the conservative grass roots, several Republicans said she’d help them by staying home in Wasilla.

[ortiga]

BALONEY if SNL wants to put on horrible skits about incest and Letterman anout underage sex and the Daily Kos and other outlets about Bristol mothering Trig-- THOSE OUTLETS are solely RESPONSIBLE no matter how YOU spin it. Outlets who strech the truth for a story are responsible.

The news is there to MAKE money and in order to do that a juicy story makes money -- one people like to discuss-- one people do not like and do not care what is said. Those who feed off of others pain and or embarassment. Lets face it-- If it were not for Palin it seems this forum would be dead. Look at the time spent discussing her and her family.

Give ME a break!

What was Palin's public reaction when SNL "put on horrible skits about incest"? IIRC she subsequently went on the SNL program herself, thus giving the program a stamp of approval.

Why would she do that, and then make such a fuss about what a late night talk show host said?

Slow news week?

[ortiga]

All good points, Mimi.

I still think the kid is being a jerk, maybe with good reason. I don't know if he's telling the truth or not. I don't trust him or Palin, really.

I look forward to more nuggets from Levi, who was living in the Palin's house for a month or two. I noticed that yesterday she once again used her position as governor to have her spokesman comment on the teen.

[Mimi428]

All good points, Mimi.

I still think the kid is being a jerk, maybe with good reason. I don't know if he's telling the truth or not. I don't trust him or Palin, really.

I hear ya. All in all, I think all the youngsters were ill-served, as pretty much any kid is when they are part of the life of a parent/other adult seeks the spotlight.

I don't know if Levi's attorney is now actively seeking attention or whether it is a matter of the press clamoring for info from Levi & his attorney trying to manage the attention he is getting in the first place.
JMO

[ortiga]

I still can't fathom why the state of Alaska couldn't figure out a way to cover the costs for all the public record requests the governor's spokesperson said they got. Heck, they could have made it into a money-making venture. They sure don't need an attorney to look over every single request when the request is for the same info over & over again, but is being requested by separate entities. They make the determination & advise - a, b, c - l, m, n, o, & p is OK to release, but definitely not q, r , s, t, etc because the state will claim executive privilege or the like. The governor's spokesperson makes it sound as if the state attorneys had to re-invent the dang wheel with every request.

As for what 'needs' to happen about any particular thing - what can I say? We all have the 1st amendment right to petition the government for the redress of a grievance. We can hound our legislators to change what we don't like. We can vote, be active in our communities. But when it comes to individual behaviors that are not illegal - I think we want to make our own decisions about what is a 'need' and what is a 'wish'.

JMO


IIRC most of the FOA requests were about the state business emails that she copied to her husband. FOA requests because on the face of it, this could be an illegal practice, and citizens wanted to know what the emails said, and why she IS STILL trying to keep them hidden. Maybe there is a smoking gun in the emails, of why she abruptly quit. I hope she doesn't succeed in stonewalling the FOA requests.

I don't see it discussed here, but the original troopergate finding of her breaking ethics laws in Alaska pointed out that her husband was in the state offices, ie her office much of the time before she accepted McCains offer. For this he was commonly referred to in Alaska as the "shadow governor".

IIRC he was not allowed to be in the office so much since she returned from the general election, and that may be a reason why she wanted to quit.

Here is the link to where she lied about being exonerated in Troopergate when in fact she was found to have violated the ethics code of the state of Alaska.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/oct/14/sarah-palin/report-finds-palin-violated-ethics-laws/

[ortiga]

A 2002 study, Freedom of Information in the USA, conducted by IRE and BGA, ranked Alaska's law as the 48th worst in the country, giving it a letter grade of "F".[3]

http://sunshinereview.org/index.php/Alaska_Public_Records_Act
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Can you blame the citizens for fighting her for access to the emails that she sent to her husband about Alaska State business? Why would a person that is not a state employee be privy to the official emails?