Sarah Palin resigns as Alaska governor

[MercedesV]

Hi May, and thanks! :smile:

Frankly, I don't understand why some are befuddled by her announcement. Her reason for stepping down seemed clear to me. And what some label as "rambling", I view as frustration.. While delivering that announcement, it must have been painful and upsetting for her to recall the events which led to her decision to step down.

Sarah Palin sees herself as a fighter, not a quitter, and so do I.

http://www.startribune.com/nation/50122147.html?elr=KArks7PYDiaK7DUdcOy_nc:DKUiD3aPc :_Yyc:aU7DYaGEP7vDEh7P:DiUs

You seem to be one of very few that understood Palin on Friday then. That speech was incoherent at the kindest. She's a Gov, she should handle frustration better than your typical 2 year old. It doesn't excuse the rambling or the incoherent message. Which was written out, not off the cuff.

Palin thinks she is a fighter, she is a proven quitter. Whether she had valid reasons or not, she quit. And it isn't the first time.

[CindR]

Palin puts herself out there in the news, people comment on it, your just not happy she hasn't given a positive image of herself, you can't just throw yourself into the public eye like that and not expect people to comment on your actions - and whine about it if they criticize you - jmho

even palin agrees with this it sounds like
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC-tOzXQOsk

I agree with you.

No one has gone after John McCain, have they? Perhaps that's because the man went right back to work after he lost the election and wasn't out there doing the things Palin has been doing try to get attention. The man has a lot of character - his VP candidate should have taken pointers from him and maybe she wouldn't be having to deal with the mess she's gotten herself into.

[Casspian]

"Palin Hit With Another Ethics Complaint"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/geoffrey-dunn/palin-hit-with-more-ethic_b_226667.html

"State travel regulations say that per diem can't be claimed when travel is less than 50 miles from a state employee's workplace. The IRS and state finance officer have already determined that the per diem is considered income. The governor's workplace in Anchorage is only a 45-mile commute from her Wasilla home."


Wow... I didn't even realize it was only a 45 mile commute. She shouldn't be able to collect any money while working at home, regardless of distance anyway, but on top of that she didn't even show up for a lot of major stuff or bother to spend even some minimal time in the capital. Given it has been said she wasn't helping to push through legislation, what was she doing at home for work?

[Casspian]

I agree with you. I almost wonder if it was deliberate. To keep herself in the limelight, keep the media attention. Keep her name in the forefront. And be able to withdraw herself from center stage let others keep talking about her. And by being anything but clear she can claim what she meant as time goes on. Make it up as she goes along.

Insightful ... I think you are right. I wonder if this way, because it was so abrupt and flakey, she can see who is really going to run to her resuce and say, "Oh, poor Sarah, we understand" as well as what you say in the second part - she's already starting on the "What I really meant and who is to blame for this".

And I truly laugh because if Obama, Biden or just about anyone else in public office made the claim they were pursuing a 'higher calling' they'd have been lambasted by the same supporters of Palin who think it's fine for her to say. And again, specifically what is this 'higher calling'? She'll let us know when she figures it out I imagine.


Ain't that the truth. Palin supporters are trying to find anything against the Obamas or Bidens. I wonder why Michelle taking a trip is so much of an issue, but none of them care about Palin's ethical abuses and misuse of taxpayer money for her own gain.

[Debb]

It was Todd Purdum on Anderson Cooper.

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2009/07/07/video-palin-resignation/

Thank you. This is it.

[Hey Paula]

Palin puts herself out there in the news, people comment on it, your just not happy she hasn't given a positive image of herself, you can't just throw yourself into the public eye like that and not expect people to comment on your actions - and whine about it if they criticize you - jmho

even palin agrees with this it sounds like
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC-tOzXQOsk

Since he holds the highest office in the Land, and Sarah Palin cannot affect you and your family, shouldn't you wonder why BO "whines" about FNC, the only media TV outlet who does their job by questioning and criticizing his bad decisions which affect an entire Nation? Is it because you're not happy that BO hasn't given a positive presidential image of himself when he whines about FNC, Rush Limbaugh and/or Sean Hannity? After all, unlike Sarah Palin, he has everyone else under control. Why worry about the few who dare to question him?

JMHO

[Mimi428]

It's obvious that Gov. Sarah Palin continues to captivate the world and this country..it continues to amaze me.. I thought she'd be forgotten after the election was over but that's not the case..she's an amazing accomplished woman.. awesome ! :wub:

I'm not sure about the international attention, but she has continued to garner a great deal of attention in this country after the the election. And if I were one of her supporters, I might think that is a good thing.

What her supporters seem to be blind to is that she has brought too much attention to herself for reasons that would be negative for any politician. Simple example is the flip-flopping on many things - like will she or won't she attend this event or that one.

She has whined about being unfairly targeted. Yet one investigation resulted in her having to pay back taxes on per diem money she received while living at home & another investigation resulted in her paying back over $8K in travel expenses for her children. Hate to tell ya, but that sort of thing gives real credence to the jokes & slams about her being nothing but a grifter, out to line her pockets & to h#ll with the rules.

She brought a whole lot of attention to herself by excoriating & denigrating others, by posturing as a superior, godly, righteous person. Then when it got down to discovering the 'real' SP, examinations uncovered one example after another, after another, after another that she behaved in the same bad ways. Perhaps some of her allies could have reminded her that she was living in a glass house, but either they did not - or they did & she did not heed their counsel.

I really don't fathom how any rational person could not anticipate that when you put your own self up on a pedestal, look down your nose & denigrate others - when you hold yourself up as being wildly superior, you can d@mn well believe someone is going to want to find out if you really are such a near-perfect being.

JMO

[Veritas]

I am very disappointed in John McCain. Before he brought her into his campaign she was a very popular and happy Governor in the state of Alaska. She invigorated his campaign. She captivated many and inspired even more.

Today, still, he stands quiet while the Dems and the media chew her up and spit her out.

I respect his service to our country but I have lost all respect for him as a man.

Real man don't stand idle while a woman's character and children are fed to the wolves.

JMO

[Mimi428]

Insightful ... I think you are right. I wonder if this way, because it was so abrupt and flakey, she can see who is really going to run to her resuce and say, "Oh, poor Sarah, we understand" as well as what you say in the second part - she's already starting on the "What I really meant and who is to blame for this".




Ain't that the truth. Palin supporters are trying to find anything against the Obamas or Bidens. I wonder why Michelle taking a trip is so much of an issue, but none of them care about Palin's ethical abuses and misuse of taxpayer money for her own gain.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who has been wondering if some of this is motivated by a need to generate undying love, praise, affection. And it does serve as a bellwether to see how many will come to her defense.

As far as the attempts to turn this discussion away from Palin, it seems to me that some of her fans are fishing, just as SP has been reported to be doing. I figure if we don't take the bait, we won't get caught.

[CindR]

I am very disappointed in John McCain. Before he brought her into his campaign she was a very popular and happy Governor in the state of Alaska. She invigorated his campaign. She captivated many and inspired even more.

Today, still, he stands quiet while the Dems and the media chew her up and spit her out.

I respect his service to our country but I have lost all respect for him as a man.

Real man don't stand idle while a woman's character and children are fed to the wolves.

JMO

He's probably just like all the rest of us and thinks she's flipped her lid. She's made it impossible for anyone to defend her imo.

[Hey Paula]

I am very disappointed in John McCain. Before he brought her into his campaign she was a very popular and happy Governor in the state of Alaska. She invigorated his campaign. She captivated many and inspired even more.

Today, still, he stands quiet while the Dems and the media chew her up and spit her out.

I respect his service to our country but I have lost all respect for him as a man.

Real man don't stand idle while a woman's character and children are fed to the wolves.

JMO

I agree with your entire post, and then some! It is veritas!

[ABC]

I am very disappointed in John McCain. Before he brought her into his campaign she was a very popular and happy Governor in the state of Alaska. She invigorated his campaign. She captivated many and inspired even more.

Today, still, he stands quiet while the Dems and the media chew her up and spit her out.

I respect his service to our country but I have lost all respect for him as a man.

Real man don't stand idle while a woman's character and children are fed to the wolves.

JMO
I think you are right. I am getting away from the politics thing as my soul needs to be associated with goodness, respect, dignity and the love of life. Your post compelled me to write a note. It is a disgrace and John has failed the Man Up test. I will miss Governor Sarah. :sad::sad::sad:

[Mimi428]

I am very disappointed in John McCain. Before he brought her into his campaign she was a very popular and happy Governor in the state of Alaska. She invigorated his campaign. She captivated many and inspired even more.

Today, still, he stands quiet while the Dems and the media chew her up and spit her out.

I respect his service to our country but I have lost all respect for him as a man.

Real man don't stand idle while a woman's character and children are fed to the wolves.

JMO

Hate to tell you, but it is more than the Dems & the media. I have been reading more & more articles & news reports about members of her own party, including those who were previously among her supporters, who have not only turned their backs on her, but have issued some decidedly negative comments about her fitness to serve as a politician.

I think there is no question whatsoever that McCain made huge sacrifices for his country, but my respect for him as a politician went straight out the window when he picked Palin. If he felt compelled to choose a female for his running mate, he insulted every hardworking, dedicated woman of both parties who has a solid record of education, knowledge, experience & service in an elected position by choosing someone with just about the thinnest resume' & an unquestionable lack of experience.

JMO

[CindR]

I think you are right. I am getting away from the politics thing as my soul needs to be associated with goodness, respect, dignity and the love of life. Your post compelled me to write a note. It is a disgrace and John has failed the Man Up test. I will miss Governor Sarah. :sad::sad::sad:

How is he supposed to support her if he doesn't even know what it is she's up to?

[LisaM22]

I am very disappointed in John McCain. Before he brought her into his campaign she was a very popular and happy Governor in the state of Alaska. She invigorated his campaign. She captivated many and inspired even more.

Today, still, he stands quiet while the Dems and the media chew her up and spit her out.

I respect his service to our country but I have lost all respect for him as a man.

Real man don't stand idle while a woman's character and children are fed to the wolves.

JMO

I am sure John McCain knows as much as we do about why she quit, what would you expect him to say exactly? are republicans now gonna turn on McCain... so sad republicans live in a dog eat dog world... even if some wear lipstick i guess

[LisaM22]

Politics as usual. Dog eat dog world. Sad and discouraging.
And we wonder why good people don't want to run for office. This should be a lesson to everyone.
jmo

yep, palin is like a sinking ship and some want to criticize McCain for not jumping on board? last I checked even Palin is jumping ship

[Mimi428]

And we wonder why good people don't want to run for office. This should be a lesson to everyone.

<snipped>

No doubt it should be a lesson. What lesson(s) do you think it should be?

Personally, I think one of the lessons it might be is that if you want adulation like the emperor who was showing off his new clothes - be darn sure you aren't really parading around naked.

[CindR]

ANyone who isn't familiar with the attacks Sarah has been taking since August 2008 has probably been living in a cave.
He could have spoken up months ago more forcefully. He stood by when she was being fed to the wolves imo.

I find it interesting how people want to blame everyone else for her misdeeds.

[Mimi428]

I find it interesting how people want to blame everyone else for her misdeeds.

I find it especially interesting when the comments start which reflect the double standard mindset that still exists for some foks when it comes to gender & politics.

I thought Gov Palin was supposed to be such a strong person that she could kick azz & take names. That she was a super-being who didn't need more than 3 days to get back to work after childbirth, bring home the moose & fry it in a pan - IOW, do it all & make it look easy.

Little did I know that the same folks who praised her for such as that would fall back on the old "she is just a fragile woman, she has to be protected by MEN".

C'mon, either you have the thick skin for politics or you don't. Doesn't matter your gender & it sure reinforces the negative stereotyping that females are too flighty, too emotional & in need of too much protection by men to be qualified for higher office when all the excuses come out for how unfair it is to poor, pitiful Sarah when she demonstrates that she is unfit for office & she has yet again QUIT something. Quit 5 different colleges should have been a little hint.

JMO

[Casspian]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who has been wondering if some of this is motivated by a need to generate undying love, praise, affection. And it does serve as a bellwether to see how many will come to her defense.

As far as the attempts to turn this discussion away from Palin, it seems to me that some of her fans are fishing, just as SP has been reported to be doing. I figure if we don't take the bait, we won't get caught.


The victim mentality is just so icky, more so for a leader, I just don't see why people are supporting that. More disturbing is that her supporters then go about attacking her perceived attackers ... but as Stuart Smalley would say, 'But, that's ok'. Or is Sarah saying, "; I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and dog-gone it, people like me." ;)

[Debb]

It was Todd Purdum on Anderson Cooper.

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2009/07/07/video-palin-resignation/

In his last comment, what is Purdum saying that McCain didn't know, but that the Palen children's friends and the friend's parents knew about Sarah Palen, back when he asked her to be his running mate?

[Casspian]

I hate to even tell this, but a page supporting Palin on facebook calls her 'godly' - :scared:

[SeeksJustice]

I find it especially interesting when the comments start which reflect the double standard mindset that still exists for some foks when it comes to gender & politics.

I thought Gov Palin was supposed to be such a strong person that she could kick azz & take names. That she was a super-being who didn't need more than 3 days to get back to work after childbirth, bring home the moose & fry it in a pan - IOW, do it all & make it look easy.

Little did I know that the same folks who praised her for such as that would fall back on the old "she is just a fragile woman, she has to be protected by MEN".

C'mon, either you have the thick skin for politics or you don't. Doesn't matter your gender & it sure reinforces the negative stereotyping that females are too flighty, too emotional & in need of too much protection by men to be qualified for higher office when all the excuses come out for how unfair it is to poor, pitiful Sarah when she demonstrates that she is unfit for office & she has yet again QUIT something. Quit 5 different colleges should have been a little hint.

JMO

I completely agree.

Is this the same "Sarah Barracuda" that is supposedly now this fragile lass that has had her feelings hurt? Please….can’t have it both ways.

She continues to mention this “opposition research” as if she did not have ethics issues PRIOR to being selected as McCain’s running mate. We all know that this is not the case and just another one of her excuses.

I found it very interesting over the weekend during all the Sunday news programs which were discussing her resignation that even those who claim to be Republicans didn’t have any idea as to why she would actually resign and all thought it was very odd AND probably the end of her political career. If she couldn’t handle being the governor of Alaska, due to all of her “issues”, she has no chance in the national arena.

ALSO, all of those who are claiming that someone should have come to her “rescue”, where were you all when all the other female politicians have gone through worse than what she claims to have gone through. Perfect example…..Hilary Clinton. Didn't hear her crying foul and bowing out.

BTW, I don’t think McCain has to say or do anything to defend Sarah Palin. Why should he? What does he owe her?

[SeeksJustice]

Ummmmm. No.:huh:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDPKFwLkhpg

More word Salad...Yikes!!!:scared:

LOL...aside from apparently not reading up on Alaska's Code of Ethics she is not familiar with the dictionary either.

SHE IS A GIANT QUITTER!!!!!!!

[Mimi428]

Which means devoted to or worshiping God. What's so scary about that?

I agree with you that a great many people would have the same interpretation of that word.

But I also believe that there are others who are waaaaasy too close to interpreting everything she says & does as being divine (or extremely close to it.) Folks who are incapable of viewing her as human, with human emotions & frailties & imperfections - & who are willing to believe that any opposition, even the most justified, is motivated by & on the same level as Satan trying to bring about the fall of Christ.

JMO

[SeeksJustice]

Well said! :thumbsup:

[Mimi428]

In his last comment, what is Purdum saying that McCain didn't know, but that the Palen children's friends and the friend's parents knew about Sarah Palen, back when he asked her to be his running mate?

Todd Purdum wrote the article about her that is appearing in the Aug 2009 issue of Vanity Fair.

Here's a link to the story - page 1 of 6 pages. No matter if you are pro or con, I believe it is a worthwhile read.

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2009/08/sarah-palin200908

On page 2, some items about how poorly vetted she was by McCain -

But no serious vetting had been done before the selection...and there was trouble in nailing down basic facts about Palin’s life. After she was picked, the campaign belatedly sent a dozen lawyers and researchers, led by a veteran Bush aide, Taylor Griffin, to Alaska, in a desperate race against the national reporters descending on the state. At one point, trying out a debating point that she believed showed she could empathize with uninsured Americans, Palin told McCain aides that she and Todd in the early years of their marriage had been unable to afford health insurance of any kind, and had gone without it until he got his union card and went to work for British Petroleum on the North Slope of Alaska. Checking with Todd Palin himself revealed that, no, they had had catastrophic coverage all along. She insisted that catastrophic insurance didn’t really count and need not be revealed. This sort of slipperiness—about both what the truth was and whether the truth even mattered—persisted on questions great and small.

The more specific stuff starts on page 3 - http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2009/08/sarah-palin200908?currentPage=3

The narrative that the McCain campaign employed to explain Palin’s selection and to promote her qualifications—that she was a fresh-faced reformer who had taken on Alaska’s big oil companies and the corrupt Republican establishment, governing with bipartisan support—was never more than superficially true. In dozens of conversations during a recent visit to Alaska, it was easy to learn that there has always been a counter-narrative about Palin, and indeed it has become the dominant one.

Again, whether you like her or do not, the article is very informative about many things regarding SP.

JMO

[Debb]

You are so right Mimi.(RE Post 349) Thanks for the links and commentary. I read most it and will finish the rest later. It is very informative! I am not a supporter of Ms. Palen.

[Mimi428]

You are so right Mimi.(RE Post 349) Thanks for the links and commentary. I read most it and will finish the rest later. It is very informative! I am not a supporter of Ms. Palen.

You are very welcome. I finally got to read the whole thing yesterday & decided to bookmark it so I could go back to it. There is a lot of information in it I really had no clue about - & other stuff that I was kinda/sorta familiar with.

I was pretty well horrified to realize how often the story about her has been that she is ruthless in her pursuit for bringing people in close when she believes they will further her aspirations - then either dumping them completely, or worse, engaging in vindictive, retaliatory activities against them when they do not toe her line.

JMO

[ortiga]

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/07/the-odd-lies-of-sarah-palin-a-roundup.html

The Odd Lies Of Sarah Palin: A Round-Up

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He hasn't added the latest ones, like Sarah saying that the state has paid more than 2,000,000 for ethics complaints. It is approx 350,000 according to last week's Anchorage Daily News article that I linked to over the weekend. She is simply telling another lie.

Also, her legal bill is largely a result of the troopergate ethics complaint that she filed AGAINST HERSELF. If an ethics complaint is "dismissed", there is no charge to the governor. Of course if there is a type of "plea bargain", like the one where she paid over $8,000 to reimburse the state for some of her kid's travel that she tried to put on the taxpayers dime.....she says the complaint is "dismissed".

She's a quitter and doesn't tell the truth, a whiner who criticized Hillary Clinton as a whiner.

IMO she quit because she saw the bread was buttered quite heavily in the lecture circuit in the US, when in Alaska people were on to her and it was nothing but dry bread crusts.

IMO

[ortiga]

"In general, the higher a Republican voter’s income level and educational achievement, the more likely he or she is to think Palin’s decision to resign will hurt her bid for the GOP nomination"

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2012/40_of_gop_voters_say_resignation_hurts_palin_s_cha nces_in_2012

[ortiga]

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/07/one-small-reality-check.html

"There have been 18 known ethics complaints filed against her. The governor's office said they've been dismissed so far with no finding of wrongdoing, although she did settle a complaint over state-paid travel for her children. The state personnel board put its cost of dealing with the complaints at about $300,000 -- around two-thirds of which was in addressing the "Troopergate" issue last fall. Palin herself initiated the personnel board investigation on "Troopergate," saying that the state Legislature's investigation of the matter was politicized and she was seeking the appropriate venue to deal with it."

[ortiga]

"As for governors, unless Palin believes it's unfair that, say, former Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius does not merit equal scrutiny for leaving office to take a position in Obama’s Cabinet, or that ex-govs Eliot Spitzer and Jim McGreevey had an easier time of things than she has, it's hard to find anyone who merits comparison. Even Arnold Schwarzenegger, who sports a 33 percent approval rating and could leave the California governor’s office for Hollywood at any time, is sticking things out. For now, it appears Palin is sui generis among America's political dropouts"

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-07-06/american-historys-biggest-quitters/2/

[FallenAngel♥]

"In general, the higher a Republican voter’s income level and educational achievement, the more likely he or she is to think Palin’s decision to resign will hurt her bid for the GOP nomination"

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2012/40_of_gop_voters_say_resignation_hurts_palin_s_cha nces_in_2012

i'm shocked the number is ONLY 40%

[emdragon]

ANyone who isn't familiar with the attacks Sarah has been taking since August 2008 has probably been living in a cave.
He could have spoken up months ago more forcefully. He stood by when she was being fed to the wolves imo.

So what is she A strong independent woman that can fight her own battles or a damsel in distress that needs a man to come save her?

Make up your mind she can't be both.

I would think since she did such a great job making sure McCain lost the election and then throwing the blame for that on McCain himself and everyone else in the campaign and the media painting herself then as the injured victim that he owes her no loyalty.

[FallenAngel♥]

Steele On Palin: "2012 Off The Table"

"Not having talked to the governor, I take 2012 off the table right now simply because given everything she's going through personally, dealing with the financial mess that all these ludicrous investigations have put her and Todd in, at the moment, I think she's trying to focus on getting her house in order, her personal house in order," Steele told FOX News.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/07/steele-on-palin-2012-off_n_227057.html

[theal3]

Palin gave interview to Andrea Mitchell, she plans to work for the party, and M. Steele welcomed her efforts to built the party, but not for her ambitions in 2012. She can raise money for the party, she's a draw.....and make a good income from speeches, much more than the salary of a Governor. She's a free agent now.

[MercedesV]

Palin gave interview to Andrea Mitchell, she plans to work for the party, and M. Steele welcomed her efforts to built the party, but not for her ambitions in 2012. She can raise money for the party, she's a draw.....and make a good income from speeches, much more than the salary of a Governor. She's a free agent now.

Steele previously mentioned she could help in Virginia and New Jersey. Two states with important elections coming up. New Jersey issued a one sentence statement to the effect that they had no plans that involved Palin and Virginia rather beat around the bush with a similar message. Not everyone may be jumping on the bandwagon to have Palin involved.

[Details]

Steele On Palin: "2012 Off The Table"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/07/steele-on-palin-2012-off_n_227057.htmlJMO - that's a misleading title. He didn't say they would reject Palin for 2012 - only that he figured she was too busy.

The question is - was this a statement of fact, to lower expectations of anyone expecting her to run in 2012 - or was this a subtle way of warning her off from any attempt to go for 2012?

We don't know - but from his statement, if taken at face value, it doesn't say they'd reject her for 2012.


I wouldn't want to see anyone, man or woman, coming to the rescue of a politician for ethics violations. She's had a lot of trouble in that area, the one that cost the most time and money turned out to be quite valid, she's paid for another, and others are pending - not all dismissed. She should be able to speak for herself - if what she says is not clear enough, or doesn't answer the ethical question, that's not something where others should step in.

[ortiga]

Palin gave interview to Andrea Mitchell, she plans to work for the party, and M. Steele welcomed her efforts to built the party, but not for her ambitions in 2012. She can raise money for the party, she's a draw.....and make a good income from speeches, much more than the salary of a Governor. She's a free agent now.


Just imagine how attractive it must be to her ........... the chance to go to venue after venue, knowing that the crowds will adore her, adulate her, no detractors or critics allowed. No need to deal with getting anything done in her state, no need to build bridges, she can continue down the polarizing path that is her trademark, all the while claiming that she sacrificed by passing the ball, or whatever she comes up with next.

I hope those bloggers keep track and publicize her actual record in contrast to the way I expect that she will twist it in her speeches in the lower 48. For instance presenting herself to be an advocate for special needs children (in the lower 48) after trying to veto those exact same stimulus funds in Alaska, ie for special education.

IMO

[ortiga]

Steele previously mentioned she could help in Virginia and New Jersey. Two states with important elections coming up. New Jersey issued a one sentence statement to the effect that they had no plans that involved Palin and Virginia rather beat around the bush with a similar message. Not everyone may be jumping on the bandwagon to have Palin involved.

I wonder if that's because they are trying to attract moderate and independent voters. Maybe they already have the extreme base all sewed up.

[ortiga]

I, for one, am pretty sick of listening to her comparing everything to fishing, dead fish, and basketball. What the heck is that garbage about? Are we supposed to find it meaningful, or funny? :rolleyes:

JMHO

That's her frame of reference. High school when she was a basketball player, and then her husband's occupation for a few weeks every year. She can't even get the fish part right, she doesn't even seem to know how common fish get through their lives.

[emdragon]

It has nothing to do with gender, how thick one's skin is or saving someone. It is about doing the RIGHT THING and standing up for the right principles. I would have wanted McCain to have stood up for a man too if it was the right thing to do.

Your last paragraph doesn't deserve comment since I disagree with the premise anyway.
moo

You disagree that she Blamed the campaign,the media,The Bush Administration, etc. for the loss but took none of it on herself? Seriously?

[Stellagant]

I am very disappointed in John McCain. Before he brought her into his campaign she was a very popular and happy Governor in the state of Alaska. She invigorated his campaign. She captivated many and inspired even more.

Today, still, he stands quiet while the Dems and the media chew her up and spit her out.

I respect his service to our country but I have lost all respect for him as a man.

Real man don't stand idle while a woman's character and children are fed to the wolves.

JMO

The woman herself is doing the feeding, imo. Not much McCain can defend. She doomed his campaign with her lack of education, inarticulate blunders and overt narcissism. I find it incredible anybody still believes she's presidential material.

[Mimi428]

The more time that goes by, the more articles I see about how the moderate Republicans are frustrated by the narrow-issue culture warriors in the party - those who have rigid views & will work for or against a candidate based on their religious beliefs.

Last I heard, the extremists in the GOP are in the minority, numerically speaking.

All of this reminds me a bit of the years when Ross Perot decided to run as an alternative to the regular DEM vs REP choice. I can almost envision Palin being encouraged to run as a 3rd party candidate by the religious right. That group gets just about as annoyed at the moderate members of the GOP as they do every other group & person who does not share their religious beliefs & their views on stuff like abortion.

What do y'all think? Do you think it is likely that Palin will be encouraged to run for POTUS as an independent, if she cannot get the GOP majority support?

Frankly, I just don't see her being at all willing to get out & speechify for anything that does not generate & reinforce adulation from the crowd.

JMO

[emdragon]

That's her frame of reference. High school when she was a basketball player, and then her husband's occupation for a few weeks every year. She can't even get the fish part right, she doesn't even seem to know how common fish get through their lives.

Well and let's just look at the fact that the whole "the only thing that goes with the flow is dead fish" isn't even right. Most live fish swim WITH the flow except Salmon.

[Mimi428]

Just found this article - & I completely agree with these particular sentiments -

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/07/06/EDP218JVUH.DTL

As a presidential candidate, she is dead. As a professional victim on the conservative speaking circuit, however, Palin could be unbeatable...She's stuck in the victim gear. On the heels of her orgy of indignation over David Letterman's jokes, there's too much "poor me."..."If I've learned one thing," Palin said Friday, "life is about choices." Good, because in cleaving to the victim role, Palin chose her path.

Americans don't elect victims to the White House.

[Veritas]

One of the most terrifying moments of my political life came last summer at the Republican convention in St. Paul. No, I don’t mean seeing John McCain careering around the Xcel Energy Center like Eyegore in Young Frankenstein, his face frozen in a Lon Chaney Sr. rictus grin as he reached across the aisle to his erstwhile friends in the media and got his hand bitten off. Rather, I’m referring to the aftermath of Sarah Palin’s outrageous acceptance speech, which whipped up the Rotary Club delegates into a frenzy of white-boy fury that not even heckling by a brave Code Pink embed could deter. Truly a fascist classic and one that sent shivers down our collectivist spines.



http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NDE3MmE5MDVmMGM1YjQ2NmVhMjJkN2I2ZTcxMzhlNjU=&w=MA==


:lol::lol::lol:

[Mimi428]

:lol::lol::lol:

Got link for that quoted stuff you just posted? TIA

[Mimi428]

Got link for that quoted stuff you just posted? TIA

Never mind, found it myself.

It's another piece from the guy who writes under the pseudonym David Kahane for the National Review Online.

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NDE3MmE5MDVmMGM1YjQ2NmVhMjJkN2I2ZTcxMzhlNjU=

[IndyRepub]

Steele On Palin: "2012 Off The Table"

"At a loss to explain Sarah Palin's resignation after months of putting herself in the spotlight, many pundits -- particularly conservatives who support her political career -- have suggested the Alaska governor is working on a 2012 presidential run. But Republican National Committee chair Michael Steele said, in no uncertain terms, that it simply can't happen."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/07/steele-on-palin-2012-off_n_227057.html

:laugh:

[Sesame Seed]

Steele On Palin: "2012 Off The Table"

"At a loss to explain Sarah Palin's resignation after months of putting herself in the spotlight, many pundits -- particularly conservatives who support her political career -- have suggested the Alaska governor is working on a 2012 presidential run. But Republican National Committee chair Michael Steele said, in no uncertain terms, that it simply can't happen."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/07/steele-on-palin-2012-off_n_227057.html

:laugh:

:lol: I wonder if she'd even carry the state of Alaska?

[Circe]

The more time that goes by, the more articles I see about how the moderate Republicans are frustrated by the narrow-issue culture warriors in the party - those who have rigid views & will work for or against a candidate based on their religious beliefs.

Last I heard, the extremists in the GOP are in the minority, numerically speaking.

All of this reminds me a bit of the years when Ross Perot decided to run as an alternative to the regular DEM vs REP choice. I can almost envision Palin being encouraged to run as a 3rd party candidate by the religious right. That group gets just about as annoyed at the moderate members of the GOP as they do every other group & person who does not share their religious beliefs & their views on stuff like abortion.

What do y'all think? Do you think it is likely that Palin will be encouraged to run for POTUS as an independent, if she cannot get the GOP majority support?

Frankly, I just don't see her being at all willing to get out & speechify for anything that does not generate & reinforce adulation from the crowd.

JMO

I could see her trying that.......wasn't one of her stated excuses for quitting mid stream was to unite the country along "conservative" lines? However I strongly suspect that her idea of just what constitutes conservatism is not very much in line with what most conservatives actually believe, but I'm sure that the extreme religious right would be right behind her.......but they are only a very small part of the Republican party.......and while she might have them in her hand, I think most would run from her like they would a two week old dead fish.

Oh yes, I agree.......she a junkie when it comes to that reinforcement from her fans that she can do no wrong. It's my opinion that it's why she loves Twitter so much.......instant adoration.

[MaybytheBay]

So what is she A strong independent woman that can fight her own battles or a damsel in distress that needs a man to come save her?

Make up your mind she can't be both.

I would think since she did such a great job making sure McCain lost the election and then throwing the blame for that on McCain himself and everyone else in the campaign and the media painting herself then as the injured victim that he owes her no loyalty.



Obama's narrative for change and anti war democrats voted large...
There was a passion not to vote anything related to Bush....and a movement towards the new guy that had that distance.....and people believed he had good orating skills...
Sarah Palin didn't lose the elction for John McCain...Republicans were voted out.

[IndyRepub]

:lol: I wonder if she'd even carry the state of Alaska?

I doubt it. She had Democrats supporting her until she became the partisan "attack dog" as McCain's running mate. She lost all of them as well as Republicans who think she shouldn't have quit.

[Circe]

Obama's narrative for change and anti war democrats voted large...
There was a passion not to vote anything related to Bush....and a movement towards the new guy that had that distance.....and people believed he had good orating skills...
Sarah Palin didn't lose the elction for John McCain...Republicans were voted out.

Sure they were........and maybe Sarah didn't do it all on her lonesome, but she sure helped.....particulalry the idea that this woman, who could see Russia from her house and couldn't name even one magazine or newspaper that she read, could end up the heartbeat away of a 72 year old cancer survivor from being president.

[Mimi428]

Sarah Palin didn't lose the elction for John McCain...Republicans were voted out.

<snipped>

I think there is validity for the notion of backlash against Bush/Cheney being taken out on a few Reps who were running, but I don't think it could account for the whole thing.

I believe a considerable amount of folks were truly horrified over the thought of someone who spoke of her political opponents in near-demonic terms being so close to the office of POTUS.

I think there were plenty of folks who were absolutely horrified to see a politician who was repeatedly scurrilous in her remarks about her opponents. I definitely believe all those Democrats in her own state who supported her efforts & believed in her were overwhelmingly offended to see/hear/read her vituperous attacks on those who simply had a different political viewpoint. I think many of them believed, as I believe, that a candidate who resorts to demonizing someone just because their religious beliefs & their political views are dissimilar is a candidate to NOT vote for.

JMO

[Ladybug]

Sure they were........and maybe Sarah didn't do it all on her lonesome, but she sure helped.....particulalry the idea that this woman, who could see Russia from her house and couldn't name even one magazine or newspaper that she read, could end up the heartbeat away of a 72 year old cancer survivor from being president. Isn't she incredible... and considering all that Biden has goofed on since he's been VP.. Palin looks really good right now !

[Circe]

Isn't she incredible... and considering all that Biden has goofed on since he's been VP.. Palin looks really good right now !

Oh,she's incredible all right.......incredible in her inability to get a clue even when someone hands it to her on a silver platter with big neon lights spelling out DO NOT DO THIS.

Sure Biden sometimes mangles the language.......heaven knows we all do at some time or the other........it's just our brain outrunning our mouths. Unfortunately in Palins case........it's the other way round.

JMO, of course.

[MaybytheBay]

<snipped>

I think there is validity for the notion of backlash against Bush/Cheney being taken out on a few Reps who were running, but I don't think it could account for the whole thing.

I believe a considerable amount of folks were truly horrified over the thought of someone who spoke of her political opponents in near-demonic terms being so close to the office of POTUS.

I think there were plenty of folks who were absolutely horrified to see a politician who was repeatedly scurrilous in her remarks about her opponents. I definitely believe all those Democrats in her own state who supported her efforts & believed in her were overwhelmingly offended to see/hear/read her vituperous attacks on those who simply had a different political viewpoint. I think many of them believed, as I believe, that a candidate who resorts to demonizing someone just because their religious beliefs & their political views are dissimilar is a candidate to NOT vote for.

JMO


I can remember every campaign speech from the then Senator Obama prompting voters about the revulsion and awfulness of their current Commander in Chief......Bush....(subsequent to the democrats hate Bush campaign)......where is the love...lol...?

[Mimi428]

Just read the following from the website for the San Antonio Express-News - OUCH!

http://www.mysanantonio.com/opinion/columnists/jonathan_gurwitz/50162857.html

Be sure & read all of it (it isn't overly long) because I think it is evident that the writer was completely sympathetic to Palin when she first appeared on the national scene & was hopeful about what she pretended to represent.

Palin's dismal vice presidential run did inestimable harm to the American tradition of egalitarianism. Her decision to abandon the governor's office when the going got tough is another nail in the coffin of the Republican brand. Only the most cynical Democrat could hope she is not retiring from public service.

In the end, that was no maverick in front of a float plane last Friday. It was just a conventional pol, without the Ivy League pedigree, doing what politicians do best — thinking of herself first.

[Mr. Moto2]

Just read the following from the website for the San Antonio Express-News - OUCH!

http://www.mysanantonio.com/opinion/columnists/jonathan_gurwitz/50162857.html

Be sure & read all of it (it isn't overly long) because I think it is evident that the writer was completely sympathetic to Palin when she first appeared on the national scene & was hopeful about what she pretended to represent.

Palin's dismal vice presidential run did inestimable harm to the American tradition of egalitarianism. Her decision to abandon the governor's office when the going got tough is another nail in the coffin of the Republican brand. Only the most cynical Democrat could hope she is not retiring from public service.

In the end, that was no maverick in front of a float plane last Friday. It was just a conventional pol, without the Ivy League pedigree, doing what politicians do best — thinking of herself first.

Well, I don't think anyone, repub or dem, believed all the maverick rhetoric from McCain and Palin. But anyhow, has Sarah given more of a hint as to what she's going to do now?

[Mr. Moto2]

Poll: 7 Out Of 10 Republicans Likely To Vote For Palin In 2012

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-07-07-palin-poll_N.htm

[MercedesV]

"She was never going to be president of the United States. But who's got all the sway in the Republican Party right now? It's the political pundits; it's the talk show hosts; it's the people who are not responsible to an electorate," he said. "I would not be surprised if around 2011 people are circling around Sarah Palin, saying, 'please, anoint us for the road to the White House.' She's never going to be president but possibly a kingmaker."

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/07/palin.future/index.html

A potential Palin - Limbaugh battle for top GOP entertainer?

[Stellagant]

Poll: 7 Out Of 10 Republicans Likely To Vote For Palin In 2012

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-07-07-palin-poll_N.htm

iow, next time around, 30% fewer votes for her than in 2008....not exactly a winning formula.

[theal3]

My take is that the way she sees it: no one is grabbing the GOP headlines, and she can easily do it and she has the Far Right base on her side which now makes up the base of the GOP party, and she's going to use it for whatever purpose she chooses: books, lecture circuit, raising money, speaker's fees etc. During the primary whirlwind tour they sent her to the red areas, rural areas, where her kind of speech patterns and folksy talk resonates and is found quite basic charming. "like one of us" syndrome. She's found her niche with the Evangels, speaks their talk and walks their walk so to speak. It's not a matter, IMHO of seeking higher public office, she could have run for the Alaska Senate seat, too, but chose to give up the gov. position, as now after the primary and all the publicity, she's decided to turn a lemon into lemonade, and what better time to make hay while the sun shines.

Sort of the old "a gal's gotta do what a gal's gotta do" for family. Clearly she's been the bread winner as her family and life developed.

At her age, IMHO (45) with 5 kids she's "tired" of reaching higher and higher. McCain opened up a great door for her to explore, what she can gain now for her and Todd and her family for the future can be found in celebrity land of the lower 48. Nothing wrong with that.

That Dems would win last Fall was where the real bet was, and she used the GOP as much as they used her. She used the media as much as they used her, too. That's the way it works. She is far better off now, than she was a year ago, before no one even knew who she was. And so, IMHO, she is now a household name and time to cash in; end the speculation about a 2nd term, the 2012 bid etc....not gonna happen. She's a realist, too. Time to work it and she still can help the FRight element of the GOP and high light that and maybe bring in some independs or libertarian types, and make some money while she's at it, without having to fight her state legislature.

What the expression: how do you keep them down on the farm after they've see Paris (Paree). She, IMHO, thinks: why did all this happen to me and my family so quickly, and why did we suffer the slings and arrows, I must have been chosen for a high cause than Alaska for religious and social issues.

It will interesting to see how much press she gets, after she officially is out of office in a few weeks. She is in effect becoming a private citizen.

[FallenAngel♥]

Isn't she incredible... and considering all that Biden has goofed on since he's been VP.. Palin looks really good right now !

she went from the most popular Gov in America to a lame duck and you think she looks good right now? :w00t:

[justaguy]

Actually, I discerned only one reason and the rest of it as collateral damage so destructive, costly and hampering to her job as governor that she decided to step down for the sake of others: Alaska, her constituents, her family and its solvency, and above all for her to free herself of those constraints to make a more meaningful and effective contribution to our errant Republic to remain as our Founding Fathers so prudently and wisely envisioned it.

From the moment JMC announced Sara Palin as his running mate, and especially following her dynamic initial address at the RNC, (without the benefit of the uninterrupted use of a teleprompter) the MSM/Dems/Liberals descended upon Wasilla hoping to find some dirt to sling at BO's charismatic, counterpart "rock star", whom they viewed as a threat. And although JMC lost the election, they've relentlessly continued to trash her and her family, file ludicrous charges (at a current, personal cost in excess of a half million dollars) that it has resulted in Sara Palin being a costly lame duck governor for Alaska. In view of this, I agree with her that she can better serve her State, her constituents and this Country by assuming a national role in the Republican party as a spokesperson, commentator, and fundraiser ("higher calling"). I also believe she might run for higher office at some point, although perhaps not in 2012.

IMO

mornin ms. paula. i agree that was the main thrust of her press conference. but ,for me, it did get lost among all the other info. and i think she would have been better served not to leave out there such openended statements as "a higher calling" ect. i just think it was not a well-executed presser. and perhaps she did not want to leave anything unsaid..understandable. but i think thats what followup interviews are for..ie go on hannity for 25 minutes in a friendly environment and make THOSE statements. i don't think i am a palin-basher. but i just thought it was a poor presentation. and i HAVE seen her give very good ones.

[Banditta]

"She was never going to be president of the United States. But who's got all the sway in the Republican Party right now? It's the political pundits; it's the talk show hosts; it's the people who are not responsible to an electorate," he said. "I would not be surprised if around 2011 people are circling around Sarah Palin, saying, 'please, anoint us for the road to the White House.' She's never going to be president but possibly a kingmaker."

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/07/palin.future/index.html

A potential Palin - Limbaugh battle for top GOP entertainer?

She could cut in to Limbaugh, they are cut from the same cloth, though I do believe, gulp, that Limbaugh may be better informed. Palin, after seeing her during the campaign, labelling Obama a terrorist, so casually speaking falsehoods, well she'd fit right in to that scene. I shudder to think of any kind of power in that woman's hands.:thumbdown:

[LisaM22]

Well, I don't think anyone, repub or dem, believed all the maverick rhetoric from McCain and Palin. But anyhow, has Sarah given more of a hint as to what she's going to do now?

my guess, poster girl for anti-choice fanatics, just a guess

now that faith based initiatives (tax payers of all faiths) pay for all the churches good deeds, the donations people give can be used for other things like the fanatical goals of some - I think palin wants to cash in on that market... jmho

[ortiga]

She could cut in to Limbaugh, they are cut from the same cloth, though I do believe, gulp, that Limbaugh may be better informed. Palin, after seeing her during the campaign, labelling Obama a terrorist, so casually speaking falsehoods, well she'd fit right in to that scene. I shudder to think of any kind of power in that woman's hands.:thumbdown:

I doubt that Palin would be interested in a job that didn't involve cheering crowds, ones that she can work up into a frenzy against the president. Radio shock jocks are a special bunch, in effect working in a dark studio and with a delay in feedback, thus Rush must say increasingly vulgar things. Palin is not as nasty as Rush, even the way she painted Obama as a terrorist, and to nearly all white crowds "not one of us", was not as bad as Rush's "jokes" about bending over, etc. Rush is light years ahead of her in political knowledge.

Prediction: no jobs for Palin that don't emphasize adoring audiences.

[ortiga]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/31773280#31789097

[LisaM22]

looks like she plans to be a lame duck her last 3 weeks in office

[LisaM22]

looks like she plans to be a lame duck her last 3 weeks in office, she did not appear to be doing any real Governor work yesterday while she was "fishing", course she may have only done that for the camera's and then she went right back to her Governor work

[LisaM22]

Odd, and very telling, that she would label herself that, when it never came up in discussion....

yep, she is all show it appears, when the going gets tough, the tough quit with the palins it seems

[Mimi428]

Odd, and very telling, that she would label herself that, when it never came up in discussion....

Yeah! Why did she apply that label to herself to begin with? When I first heard her say she was a lame duck I was thinking there must be something new in Alaska that limited her to one term & I was trying to figure out why I had not heard about it before she mentioned it.

The next election isn't that near - there is no reason she could not have held on for several more months & actually worked as a governor does. Arnold the Governator comes to mind - he is a lame duck but you don't see him throwing his hands up & saying "heavens to betsy, I'm a lame duck, see ya! I'm off to do fun stuff instead of showing up to put my nose to the grindstone for ya, like I said I would". I don't have to like his particular politcal views to appreciate that he & many others have worked the jobs they begged their constituents to grant them until the end of their term.

JMO

[ortiga]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/07/AR2009070702711.html?hpid=moreheadlines

Palin Faces New Ethics Complaint Over Reimbursements

"In February, when state officials determined Palin would owe income taxes on nearly $17,000 paid to her in travel reimbursements, the governor's spokeswoman, Sharon Leighow, said, "The amount of taxes owed is a private matter. If the governor collects future per diem, those documents would be a matter of public record."

[Mimi428]

What the expression: how do you keep them down on the farm after they've see Paris (Paree). She, IMHO, thinks: why did all this happen to me and my family so quickly, and why did we suffer the slings and arrows, I must have been chosen for a high cause than Alaska for religious and social issues.


<snipped>

I started thinking of that exact same expression by Saturday - that Ms Sarah had tasted enough of the big time that being back to a remote state with a sparse population was not nearly enough to keep her happy.

The one thing that I don't get is the disconnect between what she professes to believe & what she actually says. She reminds everyone of her religious faith - & if she had as much of it as she claims, she would have been better able to take the sings & arrows, because faith would assure her that God is 'large & in charge'. The bible passage starting with Romans 8:28 is particularly referred to by Christians & has most specifically been used to explain why bad things happen to good people.

I would have expected someone with her professed beliefs to have been able to stand up & say that no matter the criticisms & difficulties, she knew she was doing right & she knew it was all for the greater glory. She had faith that she would be vindicated & she was going to hold her head up high & slog on through the negative stuff.

JMO

[Mimi428]

From the Atlanta Journal Constitution -

http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/opinion/tucker/stories/2009/07/08/tucked_0708.html

Gov. Palin, welcome to the club

Not much was clear after Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin’s rambling and petulant press conference, least of all whether she was bidding farewell to politics. But this much was obvious: She’s angry that so many — TV comedians, feuding political consultants, unnamed media “sources” — have taken aim at her and her family. How dare they?

Ending with...

...surely she’s not so narcissistic as to believe that only she — Joan of Alaska — has had to endure the slings and arrows of late-night comedy. If she is, that’s one more reason for her to retire from the public stage.

Good recap of many other politicians who have had the spotlight cast on their private lives - & that Bristol's privacy was sacrificed to her mother's personal ambitions. ITA

[Casspian]

my guess, poster girl for anti-choice fanatics, just a guess

now that faith based initiatives (tax payers of all faiths) pay for all the churches good deeds, the donations people give can be used for other things like the fanatical goals of some - I think palin wants to cash in on that market... jmho


I think you are right, one of the few things she pushed legislation for right before she quite was the parental consent law in Alaska. Why work so hard on this when so many in the state are in dire need and their economy has taken a drastic downturn in such a short time? Yeah, I know she said she was for that anyway, I'm just saying it gained her favor with the anti-choice fanatics esp right after the death of Tiller and their calls to not back down now. Others have been very critical of the parental consent bill for all the reasons I would be - one being that even in a case of incest you would need the parents consent :confused:

[Casspian]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/07/AR2009070702711.html?hpid=moreheadlines

Palin Faces New Ethics Complaint Over Reimbursements

"In February, when state officials determined Palin would owe income taxes on nearly $17,000 paid to her in travel reimbursements, the governor's spokeswoman, Sharon Leighow, said, "The amount of taxes owed is a private matter. If the governor collects future per diem, those documents would be a matter of public record."

Noting --> this is a conservative who filed this ethics complaint, not a liberal

[Casspian]

Noting --> this is a conservative who filed this ethics complaint, not a liberal


The guys name is Zane Henning. He "is a Wasilla resident, politically conservative, and active as a researcher and government watchdog."

He is also interviewed here for another scandal about Palin's use of a private email.

Sarah Palin: The email scandal
http://www.wasillaproject.com/index/2008/10/sarah-palin-the-email-scandal.html

[LisaM22]

I think you are right, one of the few things she pushed legislation for right before she quite was the parental consent law in Alaska. Why work so hard on this when so many in the state are in dire need and their economy has taken a drastic downturn in such a short time? Yeah, I know she said she was for that anyway, I'm just saying it gained her favor with the anti-choice fanatics esp right after the death of Tiller and their calls to not back down now. Others have been very critical of the parental consent bill for all the reasons I would be - one being that even in a case of incest you would need the parents consent :confused:

not only that, if the courts need to determine if parental consent is needed on a individual basis it will create more late term abortions, something none of us want to see more of needlessly like this

[Casspian]

not only that, if the courts need to determine if parental consent is needed on a individual basis it will create more late term abortions, something none of us want to see more of needlessly like this

Good point, either that or force a girl to have a baby from rape or incest.

[Casspian]

The guys name is Zane Henning. He "is a Wasilla resident, politically conservative, and active as a researcher and government watchdog."

He is also interviewed here for another scandal about Palin's use of a private email.

Sarah Palin: The email scandal
http://www.wasillaproject.com/index/2008/10/sarah-palin-the-email-scandal.html


BTW, another person also producing the video of the email scandal was Andree McCleod who is a Republican. In the accompanying video produced by the Wasilla Project, Zane says that out of 4 boxes of emails he finally received, only one email was sent from her official email account - when she campaigned on transparency in government.

[daniel green]

snipped

From the moment JMC announced Sara Palin as his running mate, and especially following her dynamic initial address at the RNC, (without the benefit of the uninterrupted use of a teleprompter)

HUH? :confused: Palin WAS using a teleprompter (as everyone did) during her speech at the RNC.

[SeeksJustice]

do you actually know what her faith is and what her church or pastors or whatever they call themselves believe? What I saw, including a video where she was a speaker in this church and some pastor prayed for her, was pretty scary. There is no contradiction between her faith and what she did. imo

You are talking about the video that surfaced while campaigning. The one where she spoke before the Assembly of God church in Wasilla.

http://www.zimbio.com/Sarah+Palin+for+Vice+President/articles/251/SARAH+PALIN+SPEAKS+CHURCH+LISTEN

What is more scary is THEIR video for their church. They truly believe Alaska and their church will dominate the world. I believe that qualifies them as religious radicals...IMO.

[daniel green]

Since he holds the highest office in the Land, and Sarah Palin cannot affect you and your family, shouldn't you wonder why BO "whines" about FNC, the only media TV outlet who does their job by questioning and criticizing his bad decisions which affect an entire Nation? Is it because you're not happy that BO hasn't given a positive presidential image of himself when he whines about FNC, Rush Limbaugh and/or Sean Hannity? After all, unlike Sarah Palin, he has everyone else under control. Why worry about the few who dare to question him?

JMHO

Pls do post even one such "whine" about FNC by the President. Even one.

TIA

[LisaM22]

HUH? :confused: Palin WAS using a teleprompter (as everyone did) during her speech at the RNC.

heck she even prepared Friday's speech ahead of time, it's not the teleprompters fault it's Palin's

[ortiga]

looks like she plans to be a lame duck her last 3 weeks in office, she did not appear to be doing any real Governor work yesterday while she was "fishing", course she may have only done that for the camera's and then she went right back to her Governor work

I betcha that 1 day of fishing, interspered with at least 5 television interviews, IIRC, will fill several pages in the book, showing that she is a "fisherman".

[daniel green]

He's probably just like all the rest of us and thinks she's flipped her lid. She's made it impossible for anyone to defend her imo.

Plus, he is probly so very embarrassed. :blushing: He will always be linked to Palin. He chose her as his VP. :blushing:

[Casspian]

do you actually know what her faith is and what her church or pastors or whatever they call themselves believe? What I saw, including a video where she was a speaker in this church and some pastor prayed for her, was pretty scary. There is no contradiction between her faith and what she did. imo

Do a Google search on "dominionists take over gov offices" and "dominionists palin". I agree with you. I think she realized she was as effective as Gov as she was going to be to promote her causes or higher calling. It has nothing to do with seeing it as most Christians and being strong because of their faith or continuing on because you pledged to be the best you could be if elected.

Here is one article that possibly others can't claim is just liberal bias:

Sarah Palin: Dominionist?
by Rev. Keith Wright
http://open.salon.com/blog/rev_keith_wright/2008/10/10/sarah_palin_dominionist

[daniel green]

I betcha that 1 day of fishing, interspered with at least 5 television interviews, IIRC, will fill several pages in the book, showing that she is a "fisherman".

YUP YUP

Giving those interviews to try and explain Friday disaster of a press conference, while wearing waders--yikes. :ohmy:

[LisaM22]

Pls do post even one such "whine" about FNC by the President. Even one.

TIA

exactly, the right was saying the media loved Obama and he was just making a point that one channel was not so loving, in fact they attack his administration ever chance they can, hardly called whining - then again, this is a palin thread, not a Obama thread, so let's stay on topic

[daniel green]

The lesson I learned is good people finish last and get eaten by the wolves if we let them.

Not if someone shoots those wolves (especially baby wolves) from helicopters.

[Casspian]

You are talking about the video that surfaced while campaigning. The one where she spoke before the Assembly of God church in Wasilla.

http://www.zimbio.com/Sarah+Palin+for+Vice+President/articles/251/SARAH+PALIN+SPEAKS+CHURCH+LISTEN

What is more scary is THEIR video for their church. They truly believe Alaska and their church will dominate the world. I believe that qualifies them as religious radicals...IMO.

It kind of goes right along with the AIP affiliations and why neocons support her.

[daniel green]

I think you are right. I am getting away from the politics thing as my soul needs to be associated with goodness, respect, dignity and the love of life. Your post compelled me to write a note. It is a disgrace and John has failed the Man Up test. I will miss Governor Sarah. snipped

STOP THE TRAINS.

What? :confused: McCain is responsible for Palin quitting????? :scared:

BTW, why does the Gov of a state need a man to protect her? And protect her from what?

[SeeksJustice]

Do a Google search on "dominionists take over gov offices" and "dominionists palin". I agree with you. I think she realized she was as effective as Gov as she was going to be to promote her causes or higher calling. It has nothing to do with seeing it as most Christians and being strong because of their faith or continuing on because you pledged to be the best you could be if elected.

Here is one article that possibly others can't claim is just liberal bias:

Sarah Palin: Dominionist?
by Rev. Keith Wright
http://open.salon.com/blog/rev_keith_wright/2008/10/10/sarah_palin_dominionist


Aside from the religious right, I think Palin scared a lot of people regarding her faith. She comes off as very cult-like in her religious ramblings.

Just look at the homepage for Alaska's governor.

http://gov.state.ak.us/

Aside from the fact that it looks like she actually wrote what is printed there, the last part of it is so totally HER.

Our destiny to be reached by responsibly developing our natural resources. This land, blessed with clean air, water, wildlife, minerals, AND oil and gas. It's energy! God gave us energy.

[SeeksJustice]

STOP THE TRAINS.

What? :confused: McCain is responsible for Palin quitting????? :scared:

BTW, why does the Gov of a state need a man to protect her? And protect her from what?

EVERYTHING is responsible for her quitting BUT her.

Go figure...:rolleyes:

[LisaM22]

do you actually know what her faith is and what her church or pastors or whatever they call themselves believe? What I saw, including a video where she was a speaker in this church and some pastor prayed for her, was pretty scary. There is no contradiction between her faith and what she did. imo

you see where her church thinks Alaska will be the place to be saved in the last days, everyone else in the world will be left behind - not a joke, they really believe that, let me see if I can find a link

ETA : link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8twqZpUT2NQ

[SeeksJustice]

you see where her church thinks Alaska will be the place to be saved in the last days, everyone else in the world will be left behind - not a joke, they really believe that


Absolutely! I believe Jim Jones had the same line of thinking.

[Casspian]

If anyone is still not convinced of Palin's political agenda, look even closer at her list of appointees to office and what other money she has spent and on what.

Sarah Palin Appointed Extremist Theocrat to Govt Post
http://open.salon.com/blog/mick_arran/2008/10/21/sarah_palin_appointed_extremist_theocrat_to_govt_p ost

As Governor of Alaska, Sarah Palin appointed Patrick Donelson to the Alaska Suicide Prevention Council. Donelson, as Talk to Action's Bruce Wilson uncovered, is at the center of one of Alaska's most extreme religious movements.

It goes on...

Both William Pagaran, Carry the Cure’s current president, and Pat Donelson, its cofounder and former president, are licensed ministers through Northwind Global Ministries, which Donelson currently directs. Northwind promotes “Joel’s Army” doctrine, that an end-time army of young Christians endowed with supernatural powers will conquer and purify the Earth.


I believe Palin wants to makes sure all these folks stay in place (there is a long list). If she did not win the Governorship again (or Senator), then bye bye to all those appointees and all th e money and power they now control. And, with all the scandals and with Alaskans becoming wise to her, I do not think she was going to win another office. The next best things is to have a national and huge effect which is raising money and trying to debase those who are your foes.

[daniel green]

Since when is it a MAN'S job to help her out. Please don't set back the strides Women have made the last few years. snipped

Unreal. :rolleyes:

Since when does a woman Governor need a man's help????????? :scared:

[daniel green]

EVERYTHING is responsible for her quitting BUT her.

Go figure...:rolleyes:

BUT BUT BUT, she is not a quitter. :ohmy:

[SeeksJustice]

BUT BUT BUT, she is not a quitter. :ohmy:

No way...she's Sarah Baracuda.....baracudas don't quit....do they? :wink:

[daniel green]

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/07/the-odd-lies-of-sarah-palin-a-roundup.html

snipped

YIKES.

That is some list.

Thx for posting that, Ortiga.

[SeeksJustice]

This is hilarious!

Maureen Dowd just loves Palin....

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/08/opinion/08dowd.html?_r=1&th&emc=th

[daniel green]

It has nothing to do with gender, how thick one's skin is or saving someone. snipped

snipped
I respect his service to our country but I have lost all respect for him as a man.

Real man don't stand idle while a woman's character and children are fed to the wolves.

JMO

snipped. It is a disgrace and John has failed the Man Up test. I will miss Governor Sarah. :sad::sad::sad:

It sure was a gender thing.

[daniel green]

This is hilarious!

Maureen Dowd just loves Palin....

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/08/opinion/08dowd.html?_r=1&th&emc=th

Priceless!!!:laugh:

Goodness gracious, Palin's "Dpt of Law" gaffe was the worst of em all.

[daniel green]

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Americans don't elect victims to the White House.[/B]

No, we don't.

[SeeksJustice]

how could someone like that EVER run for VP? How could they look the other way in the face of this?

Apparently they can RUN but that doesn't mean that they are going to be "elected"...even as VP. I think that she had/has too many things against her and most of all is her fanatical religious beliefs.

Not everyone in this country is religious and it is one of the reasons why America was so great to begin with from the start....free of religious persecution.

So people believe....some don't. IMO she scared even the people who do believe.

[SeeksJustice]

Priceless!!!:laugh:

Goodness gracious, Palin's "Dpt of Law" gaffe was the worst of em all.

Had me roll'in!

I like this part too:

She says maybe I didn’t want to go back to the nitty-gritty of Alaska politics after the bright lights of the national campaign.

“The nitty-gritty, like, you mean, the fish slime and the dirt under the fingernails and stuff that’s me?” I said. Awesome response, huh?!!

It’s the same old double standard. I am not one of those who would whine and cuss. It’s just not how I’m wired!!! But the minute I start to whine and cuss, the mainstream media totally misunderstands my verbiage and the combination of things that brought me to this place of knowing. And I know that I know that I know those crappy bloggers will put out more confliction stories.



The diary format was excellent!

[ortiga]

GOP candidates in Va., NJ wary of Palin

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hQfmxOt-sEpGdVrmohlBYg28yJuQD99ACU6O1

[ortiga]

Had me roll'in!

I like this part too:

[I]She says maybe I didn’t want to go back to the nitty-gritty of Alaska politics after the bright lights of the national campaign.

“The nitty-gritty, like, you mean, the fish slime and the dirt under the fingernails and stuff that’s me?” I said. Awesome response, huh?!!

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But did you notice, when she tried to put that one over on Andrea Mitchell, Mitchell didn't buy it and said, no, in Juneau. Palin was momentarily speechless. MSNBC.com video

[daniel green]

But did you notice, when she tried to put that one over on Andrea Mitchell, Mitchell didn't buy it and said, no, in Juneau. Palin was momentarily speechless. MSNBC.com video

YUP YUP.

I saw that last night.

[daniel green]

I can remember every campaign speech from the then Senator Obama prompting voters about the revulsion and awfulness of their current Commander in Chief
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As I can and do remember every speech he gave, lemme ask you for a link to back up your allegations.

TIA

[Details]

Apparently they can RUN but that doesn't mean that they are going to be "elected"...even as VP. I think that she had/has too many things against her and most of all is her fanatical religious beliefs.

Not everyone in this country is religious and it is one of the reasons why America was so great to begin with from the start....free of religious persecution.

So people believe....some don't. IMO she scared even the people who do believe.I don't think most or hardly any of that got out! The media sure wasn't reporting on it. Wright sure - Palin's church - nope. So I don't think most people, believers or not, got to see what she said she believed in. Scary stuff that this wasn't reported on.

[daniel green]

EVERYTHING is responsible for her quitting BUT her.

Go figure...:rolleyes:

When my girls were little they used to complain about each other by saying "Mommy, she's being mean at me." We still laugh about that and use that phrase to joke when someone is playing victim. This totally makes me think of it! :wink:

[SeeksJustice]

I don't think most or hardly any of that got out! The media sure wasn't reporting on it. Wright sure - Palin's church - nope. So I don't think most people, believers or not, got to see what she said she believed in. Scary stuff that this wasn't reported on.

I actually saw a news piece about it and that is how I found out. After that I did a lot of internet searching and ended up seeing the Assembly of God's "recruitment" video.

There wasn't much to "twist" about Palin's take on religion. There was way too much to twist regarding the Obama/Wright video.

I think enough people saw it and I think it hurt her.

[SeeksJustice]

When my girls were little they used to complain about each other by saying "Mommy, she's being mean at me." We still laugh about that and use that phrase to joke when someone is playing victim. This totally makes me think of it! :wink:

That's what makes Dowd's take on it so hilarious! It is almost child-like.

[daniel green]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-07-08/sarah-palins-media-mafia/?cid=bs:archive1

[Casspian]

Consolidated List Of Ethics Complaints Filed Against Alaska Governor Sarah Palin Since August 2008

http://alaskapride.blogspot.com/2009/05/consolidated-list-of-ethics-complaints.html

[SeeksJustice]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-07-08/sarah-palins-media-mafia/?cid=bs:archive1

Nice.....I like the last paragraph.

Since William F. Buckley founded the conservative movement, the right has done an impressive job insinuating its members into America’s political and cultural elite, and building parallel elite institutions besides. As Eric Hoffer wrote, however, “Every political movement starts out as a cause, turns into a business, and then becomes a racket.” So long as the most powerful people on the right are thought of as dissidents battling the political and cultural establishment, they’ll persist mainly in accumulating wealth and power. Once they’re accurately identified as part of America’s elite, they’ll bear more scrutiny and be more accountable to the regular Americans whose interests they so often claim to champion.

[Mimi428]

that is what I meant. There is no contradiction between her faith and what she did. imo

Oh, I agree with you that there is no contradiction between her actual faith & her actions.

But there is a huge contradiction between her stated faith & her actions.

The whole problem is, there seems to be an overabundance of folks who can't discern (or maybe they just don't care to learn, I really don't know) the difference between biblical beliefs & heretical beliefs. And that problem is definitely not limited to a discussion of Sarah Palin, although I think some of her strongest supporters are good example of just how unwilling people can be to question & to learn the difference.

Every bona fide Christian apologetics site, truly dedicated to core Christian theology has pointed out for a long, long time that there are numerous sects who declare themselves to be Christian - but who are full of heretical, extra-biblical, non-biblical, aberrational teaching & preaching.

The links that Casspian was so kind to bring us give a good overview of what Dominion Theology (aka Kingdom Theology) is about. Here is another website that has plenty of articles about it. It also identifies several of the alternate names of the different movements involved & it provides a list of terminology that is used by people who hold Kingdom (or Dominion) Theology beliefs.

http://www.apologeticsindex.org/l04.html

[LisaM22]

Apparently they can RUN but that doesn't mean that they are going to be "elected"...even as VP. I think that she had/has too many things against her and most of all is her fanatical religious beliefs.

Not everyone in this country is religious and it is one of the reasons why America was so great to begin with from the start....free of religious persecution.

So people believe....some don't. IMO she scared even the people who do believe.


yep, separation of church and state is the American why, America doesn't want a theocracy, even Christians don't want other Christians telling them how to believe

"Obama Breaks Down Why We Need Separation of Church & State"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdB1_KFOhnU&NR=1

[Casspian]

Nice.....I like the last paragraph.

Since William F. Buckley founded the conservative movement, the right has done an impressive job insinuating its members into America’s political and cultural elite, and building parallel elite institutions besides. As Eric Hoffer wrote, however, “Every political movement starts out as a cause, turns into a business, and then becomes a racket.” So long as the most powerful people on the right are thought of as dissidents battling the political and cultural establishment, they’ll persist mainly in accumulating wealth and power. Once they’re accurately identified as part of America’s elite, they’ll bear more scrutiny and be more accountable to the regular Americans whose interests they so often claim to champion.


Yes, excellent statement (my bolding)

[LisaM22]

until Palin put herself in the limelight, most Alaskans had no idea who she really was, now that they know, she is running for the hills, she no longer wants to govern them it seem :huh:

[SeeksJustice]

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/viewarticle.cfm/the-meaning-of-sarah-palin-14674


Thanks for the February article from the super conservative site.

Anything from AFTER she imploded?

:tongueside:

[RayStar]

This may have come up already but I bet that Sarah will replace Michael Steele as president of the Republican party.

[SeeksJustice]

When she does, I'll watch for it.

You mean you missed it?! It happened on July 3rd. I would have thought it was all over the internet and EVERYONE would have seen and known about it.

Oh well... :smile:

[SeeksJustice]

This may have come up already but I bet that Sarah will replace Michael Steele as president of the Republican party.

I think I have a better shot at becoming the president of the RP!

Oh wait....I'm a Democrat. Anyone think that they would overlook that? :wink:

[SeeksJustice]

Yeah, I missed the imploding part...just her resignation and the accompanying appoplexy of the progressives....lol...oh yeah, and Michael Jackson apparently died as well.


Nope...she imploded. The resignation thing was just a ruse to cover up the imploding. It was awesome.


Please lets not forget Farrah Fawcett as well.

[Details]

I think I have a better shot at becoming the president of the RP!

Oh wait....I'm a Democrat. Anyone think that they would overlook that? :wink:If they can overlook supporting a secessionist movement, radical religious views, I'd think they could overlook anything!

[SeeksJustice]

YEAH! :thumbsup:

[Mimi428]

So long as the most powerful people on the right are thought of as dissidents battling the political and cultural establishment, they’ll persist mainly in accumulating wealth and power. Once they’re accurately identified as part of America’s elite, they’ll bear more scrutiny and be more accountable to the regular Americans whose interests they so often claim to champion.[/I]

<snipped>

True, true. One of the things that has always struck me as pretty amazing is seeing how average, every-day Republicans, who are far from being rich, can be convinced to vote AGAINST their own interests by those at the top of the Republican heap.

One of the articles I have read in the past few days remarked about how Palin pulled together people based on their shared resentments & prejudices. All I can figure is that those resentments & prejudices must be heavily ingrained if they were enough to cause the individual to not see how those at the top of party they were supporting had zero interest in & less than zero intent for working to improve the overall condition of the average, the working or the middle class person.

JMO

[SeeksJustice]

<snipped>

True, true. One of the things that has always struck me as pretty amazing is seeing how average, every-day Republicans, who are far from being rich, can be convinced to vote AGAINST their own interests by those at the top of the Republican heap.


JMO

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ABSOLUTELY! I have always been amazed at how they are able to pull that off. I think this last election it didn't pay off as usual though. But in the past, it has truly amazed me.

[ABC]

If they can overlook supporting a secessionist movement, radical religious views, I'd think they could overlook anything!

Details, Pentacostal and Evangelical are the fastest growing religions and while charasmatic, there is nothing radical about them. No body supported a secessionist movement.

[daniel green]

snipped. No body supported a secessionist movement.

Todd Palin was a member of the secessionist party for like 7 yrs.

And Sarah Palin gave a welcoming video to them during their state-wide convention last yr.

[ABC]

If they can overlook supporting a secessionist movement, radical religious views, I'd think they could overlook anything!

Details, Pentacostal and Evangelical are the fastest growing religions in the USA and while charsmatic, there is nothing radical about them. Evangelical means belief in Jesus, which is hardly radical. Something like 26% of the population is Evangelical or Pentacostal. The Catholics are at 22%. According to WIKI by the 50s, there were 450 million Evangelicals world wide and is going strong.

[Mimi428]

This may have come up already but I bet that Sarah will replace Michael Steele as president of the Republican party.

I can't figure out why she would want that position. I don't think it has nearly enough celebrity status for her. There are a heck of a lot of responsibilities attached to it.

Also - Michael Steele has enough of whatever you want to call it to appear on shows like The Colbert Report & I know he has been on Real Time with Bill Maher more than once. Can you really imagine Palin being able to hold her own (w/o exploding or imploding) on shows of that nature? I sure can't.

[ABC]

If they can overlook supporting a secessionist movement, radical religious views, I'd think they could overlook anything!

Details, Pentacostal and Evangelical are the fastest growing religions and while charsmatic, there is nothing radical about them. Evangelical means belief in Jesus, and something like 26% of the population is Evangelical (many are Pentacostal) or Pentacostal (most are Evangelical). According to WIKI by the 50s, there were 450 million Evangelicals world wide and rising.
Pentacostal is an umbrella term and they are aligned with the Evangelicals. Something like 40% of Hispanic Catholic Immigrants are actually turning to the Evangelical religion. All this can be googled, of course like Hispanic Immigrants turn to Evangelical religion.

[Mimi428]

Hmmmm, pretty much the way I feel.

JMO

I very rarely send anything to the moderator & I don't think it worthwhile to report your blatant violation of the TOS for what you just did - but I have to tell you I will definitely think differently if you do that again.

On the very slight chance that you actually are a newbie & not a re-cycle, you might take it under advisement that there has been just about zero tolerance for stuff like that, historically speaking & to the best of my recall.

Just so you know.

[SeeksJustice]

Details, Pentacostal and Evangelical are the fastest growing religions and while charsmatic, there is nothing radical about them. Evangelical means belief in Jesus, and something like 26% of the population is Evangelical (many are Pentacostal) or Pentacostal (most are Evangelical). According to WIKI by the 50s, there were 450 million Evangelicals world wide and rising.
Pentacostal is an umbrella term and they are aligned with the Evangelicals. Something like 40% of Hispanic Catholic Immigrants are actually turning to the Evangelical religion. All this can be googled, of course like Hispanic Immigrants turn to Evangelical religion.

Just wondering HOW MANY TIMES you are going to post the SAME THING?

:bored:

Evangelical means "the good news" and/or "gospel" and describes a number of diverse Protestant groups. It is the Pentacostal movement that is the most extreme....fanatical.

[ABC]

Just wondering HOW MANY TIMES you are going to post the SAME THING?

:bored:
:huh: HUH???????????:huh: Just the facts, Madame, just the facts.

[SeeksJustice]

I very rarely send anything to the moderator & I don't think it worthwhile to report your blatant violation of the TOS for what you just did - but I have to tell you I will definitely think differently if you do that again.

On the very slight chance that you actually are a newbie & not a re-cycle, you might take it under advisement that there has been just about zero tolerance for stuff like that, historically speaking & to the best of my recall.

Just so you know.

YIKES! Just caught that one Mimi428.

DEFINATELY a BIG NO-NO.

[SeeksJustice]

:huh: HUH???????????:huh: Just the facts, Madame, just the facts.

The question remains unanswered...

[RayStar]

Hey folks I just was trying to guess another position she may want. Who knows she may get out of the race. She got some more bad legal news today.
She really has had a rough time since becoming a VP candidate. I think she was extremely nervous in announcing her resignation.
Either way I think the public will still see plenty of Sarah.

[SeeksJustice]

Hey folks I just was trying to guess another position she may want. Who knows she may get out of the race. She got some more bad legal news today.
She really has had a rough time since becoming a VP candidate. I think she was extremely nervous in announcing her resignation.
Either way I think the public will still see plenty of Sarah.

Unfortunately I agree. I do think we will see more of Palin and I think that she is going to move from Alaska as well.

She is like a bad penny....always turning up. :thumbdown:

[Mimi428]

YIKES! Just caught that one Mimi428.

DEFINATELY a BIG NO-NO.

You know it. And I can appreciate why it has been, because I have seen some pretty vicious, though sometimes subtle, changes in what the poster originally wrote.

I do not ever want to assume malice when it may simply be an error or mistake, so I extend the benefit of the doubt - at least the first time. Now after that...

[SeeksJustice]

You know it. And I can appreciate why it has been, because I have seen some pretty vicious, though sometimes subtle, changes in what the poster originally wrote.

I do not ever want to assume malice when it may simply be an error or mistake, so I extend the benefit of the doubt - at least the first time. Now after that...

You have received an apology at least. I think it is an honest one.

[Mimi428]

My apologies. I did not know it was against TOS. Thank you for your tolerance.

Not a prob, not to worry - I was thinking that you simply did not know.

(but boy, have I seen some folks get whupped like a red-headed stepchild over it - yowie!)

:chicken:

[SeeksJustice]

(but boy, have I seen some folks get whupped like a red-headed stepchild over it - yowie!)

:chicken:

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LOL! Haven't heard that one in awhile! :laugh:

[Casspian]

Details, Pentacostal and Evangelical are the fastest growing religions in the USA and while charsmatic, there is nothing radical about them. Evangelical means belief in Jesus, which is hardly radical. Something like 26% of the population is Evangelical or Pentacostal. The Catholics are at 22%. According to WIKI by the 50s, there were 450 million Evangelicals world wide and is going strong.

I know I posted this before, but Palin's church was rejected by the broader Pentacostal church as being too extremist. So, all Pentacostals are not the same.

[Mimi428]

I think she was extremely nervous in announcing her resignation.
Either way I think the public will still see plenty of Sarah.

<snipped>

You bring up something that I think many have wondered about - what the cause might have been for what seemed like extreme nervousness.

Without question, she showed remarkable ease when she first addressed the convention. She continued to show it during many of her speeches in front of huge audiences. Yet in front of very few people, she appeared to be nearly overwhelmed with anxiety.

I don't have a clue on what she might choose to do in the future, but after reading some articles which were written way before her resignation speech, I found that many had previously referred to her being uninterested in her duties as governor - or unengaged, bored, etc.

[Details]

Details, Pentacostal and Evangelical are the fastest growing religions in the USA and while charsmatic, there is nothing radical about them. Evangelical means belief in Jesus, which is hardly radical. Something like 26% of the population is Evangelical or Pentacostal. The Catholics are at 22%. According to WIKI by the 50s, there were 450 million Evangelicals world wide and is going strong.Sorry - no - not all those churches are saying what her church does, nor what she does herself while in that church. That is the radical bit - not Pentecostalism nor Evangelicalism.

Palin spoke at the AIP, and praised them - that's support.

[CindR]

Details, Pentacostal and Evangelical are the fastest growing religions and while charsmatic, there is nothing radical about them. Evangelical means belief in Jesus, and something like 26% of the population is Evangelical (many are Pentacostal) or Pentacostal (most are Evangelical). According to WIKI by the 50s, there were 450 million Evangelicals world wide and rising.
Pentacostal is an umbrella term and they are aligned with the Evangelicals. Something like 40% of Hispanic Catholic Immigrants are actually turning to the Evangelical religion. All this can be googled, of course like Hispanic Immigrants turn to Evangelical religion.

Evangelical does not mean belief in Jesus.

http://www.kencollins.com/glossary/theology.htm

Evangelical
An evangelical is any Christian who holds historically orthodox or conservative theological views. In common usage, the term applies to western Christians outside the Roman Catholic Church. In some countries, particularly Germany, evangelical is a synonym for Protestant. Some, but not all evangelicals are fundamentalists.

[Details]

Again, I apologize, but I only replaced "republican" with "democratic" and "Palin" with "Obama". My intent was nothing more than to reflect the same words from the perspective of an opposite viewpoint. I didn't realize that it was against TOS and I made sure that I posted your words in quotes above the response. I will not do that again.I personally don't think it is against TOS - myself, it was completely obvious what you were doing - swapping the POV to illustrate how it works from both sides. And while I completely disagree with your point - I don't think it's against TOS.

It's a common technique - reverse the situation, and see how people read the words then. You didn't claim that was what anyone was saying but yourself.

[Details]

http://www.themudflats.net/2009/07/07/palin-wonders-why-sudden-resignation-is-such-a-darn-big-deal/

Ironic that ABC News, one of those “supposedly competing” networks that “spew” the same viewpoint night after night, according to Palin, is the one she invited to come pick fish with her.

She just can't get enough of the lens, can she? Invites them after what she said. Wow. Going, going, gone.She wonders? How do you wonder about that? It is a big deal with the governor resigns! Bigger news still when no one can get a solid reason why, and there are ethical questions floating around. Even bigger when the governor in question has a lawyer threaten news agencies and individuals to stop reporting about the rumors.

[ABC]

Evangelical does not mean belief in Jesus.

http://www.kencollins.com/glossary/theology.htm

Evangelical
An evangelical is any Christian who holds historically orthodox or conservative theological views. In common usage, the term applies to western Christians outside the Roman Catholic Church. In some countries, particularly Germany, evangelical is a synonym for Protestant. Some, but not all evangelicals are fundamentalists.
Obviously, there are differnet meaning for the word depending on which source folks use. Okay, we now have five differnt meaning but basically they all come under the same umbrella terms.

[Casspian]

Sorry - no - not all those churches are saying what her church does, nor what she does herself while in that church. That is the radical bit - not Pentecostalism nor Evangelicalism.

Palin spoke at the AIP, and praised them - that's support.


There's a lot more on the web of connections, but it takes more digging.

Neo-Pentecostal E-Mail Blames Weak McCain Performance on Obama’s Occult Links

http://barthsnotes.wordpress.com/2008/10/23/neo-pentecostal-e-mail-blames-weak-mccain-performance-on-obamas-occult-links

Exploring and Exposing Dominionist Christianity: Re email titled "Block African witchcraft curses against McCain and Palin NOW!
http://community.livejournal.com/dark_christian/1098488.html


If you look further, you will see that these groups have a real war going on with Muslims also, here's one on trying to convert them and the Africa connection (think Muthee).

Neo-Pentecostal Church in Palestinian Refugee Camp Attacked
http://barthsnotes.wordpress.com/2006/06/10/neo-pentecostal-church-in-palestinian-refugee-camp-attacked/

The Living Bread International Church appears to be neo-Pentecostal, and claims to be converting Palestinian Muslims to Christianity through supernatural demonstrations.

[Details]

Obviously, there are differnet meaning for the word depending on which source folks use. Okay, we now have five differnt meaning but basically they all come under the same umbrella terms.Yep - and by any definition - that's not what I was objecting to about Palin's church. I'd think that was obvious. Did you watch Palin's videos, have you heard what that church preaches and does? That is a radical view - not a standard Evangelical nor Pentecostal view. As Casspian posted:I know I posted this before, but Palin's church was rejected by the broader Pentacostal church as being too extremist. So, all Pentacostals are not the same.

[Casspian]

Evangelical does not mean belief in Jesus.

http://www.kencollins.com/glossary/theology.htm

Evangelical
An evangelical is any Christian who holds historically orthodox or conservative theological views. In common usage, the term applies to western Christians outside the Roman Catholic Church. In some countries, particularly Germany, evangelical is a synonym for Protestant. Some, but not all evangelicals are fundamentalists.

http://www.publiceye.org/christian_right/cr_intro.html

What is Dominionism?

Dominionism is a trend in Protestant Christian evangelicalism and fundamentalism that encourages not just active political participation in civic society but also attempts to dominate the political process.

The broad concept of Dominionism is based on the Bible's text in Genesis 1:26:

"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth." (KJV).

"Then God said, 'Let us make man in our image, in our likeness and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth and over all the creatures that move along the ground.'" (NIV).

Most Christians interpret this verse as meaning that God gave humankind dominion over the Earth. Many consider this a mandate for stewardship rather than the assertion of total control. A more assertive interpretation of this verse is seen as a command that Christians bring all societies, around the world, under the rule of the Word of God, as they understand it.

As Sara Diamond explains, the general Dominionist idea, is "that Christians alone are Biblically mandated to occupy all secular institutions until Christ returns -- and there is no consensus on when that might be. Dominionist thinking precludes coalitions between believers and unbelievers...." This creates a contradictory tension. "The Christian Right wants to take dominion," says Diamond, but also wants to work within "the existing political-economic system, at the same time." In the United States, Dominionism raises issues of separation of church and state, but since Dominionism appears in a variety of forms, it is important to take each example and evaluate the specific beliefs, especially around the issue of theocracy (more at link).

My mom says she belonged to an evangelical church before I was born - but they did not try to intersect with politics or force their beliefs on others.

Theocratic dominionism

The terms Theocratic Dominionism or Hard Dominionism, describe forms of Dominion Theology, a religious trend that arose in the 1970s as a series of small Christian movements that seek to establish a theocratic form of government. In the United States, a very doctrinaire version of Hard Dominionism is Christian Reconstructionism, a theonomic movement that seeks to replace the secular governance model, and subsequently the U.S. Constitution, creating a political and judicial system based on Old Testament Law, or Mosaic Law.

Critics of the theocratic versions of dominionism often lump all the variants together, and use the terms Dominionism, Dominion Theology, and Christian Reconstructionism almost interchangeably, but this is problematic. For example, all Christian Reconstructionists are Dominionists, but not all Dominionists are Christian Reconstructionists.

Dominionists often argue that the United States was originally envisioned as a society based on Biblical law.


Sound familiar?

[Casspian]

Here's a helpful chart:

Sectors of the U.S. Right Active in the Year 2008
http://www.publiceye.org/research/chart_of_sectors.html

There is much overlap and sectors are not mutually exclusive. Populist, apocalyptic, and conspiracist styles can be found in several sectors. Methodologies range from
cautious moderation, to activism, to insurgency, to violence.
Forms of oppression—racism, xenophobia, sexism, heterosexism,
antisemitism, islamophobia, nativism, ableism, etc.—vary in each sector.

[LisaM22]

Details, Pentacostal and Evangelical are the fastest growing religions in the USA and while charsmatic, there is nothing radical about them. Evangelical means belief in Jesus, which is hardly radical. Something like 26% of the population is Evangelical or Pentacostal. The Catholics are at 22%. According to WIKI by the 50s, there were 450 million Evangelicals world wide and is going strong.

lol, have you actually seen the video's of Palin's church

[SeeksJustice]

Obviously, there are differnet meaning for the word depending on which source folks use. Okay, we now have five differnt meaning but basically they all come under the same umbrella terms.

It does not mean "belief in Jesus" though. Not anywhere that I have ever seen. Can you provide the link?

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/evangelical

http://www.religioustolerance.org/evan_defn.htm

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/evangelical

http://www.reformationtheology.com/2006/04/evangelical_a_brief_definition_1.php

http://dictionary.die.net/evangelical

http://www.yourdictionary.com/evangelical

[MercedesV]

One of the chief reasons Sarah Palin has given for resigning as Governor of Alaska is that her state's taxpayers are being forced to spend money defending her government against ethics complaints that would otherwise fund teachers, cops, and road repair.

But in response to our questions, a spokesperson for the Alaska governor's office just gave us new information that casts serious doubt on this assertion. The revelation makes the resignation episode even stranger, and raises fresh questions about the real reasons for her abrupt departure.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/08/palin-reason-for-quitting_n_228099.html

[Circe]

By now, we've all seen the clip of Sarah Palin saying that Hilary Clinton shouldn't whine. Well, someone asked her about her own whining......and the answer is of course, that her whining isn't the same as Hilary whining..........

"At one point during the campaign you said Hillary Clinton whines a little bit too much about being in the public eye. Do you now sort of sympathize with her?
What I said was, it doesn't do her or anybody else any good to whine about the criticism. And that's why I'm trying to make it clear that the criticism, I invite that."

The whole article...........

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1908983-1,00.html



I guess Sarah either doesn't remember or didn't know about all the personal shots that Hilary has taken over the years..........everything from being accused of murder, to her clothes and her laugh. And she didn't just throw up her hands and quit........not even once.

[ortiga]

She had Todd, the first Dude, in every governmental meeting even though he shouldn't have been included in the private business of the state of Alaska. He was even copied on the emails! Are we thinking he was just not man enough to protect her?


They are still trying to restrict access to those emails, she says he was her "trusted advisor", so they shouldn't be shared. I posted that link over the weekend. And, anyone can google "shadow governor".

It looks like she is quitting while the emails still aren't released. It is a FOA request that they've been trying to stonewall. I wonder if the FOA request continues in action after a change of governor? It should, IMO. Sooner or later it will all come out, don't forget that "troopergate" was instigated before she was chosen by McCain.

IMO

[ortiga]

One of the chief reasons Sarah Palin has given for resigning as Governor of Alaska is that her state's taxpayers are being forced to spend money defending her government against ethics complaints that would otherwise fund teachers, cops, and road repair.

But in response to our questions, a spokesperson for the Alaska governor's office just gave us new information that casts serious doubt on this assertion. The revelation makes the resignation episode even stranger, and raises fresh questions about the real reasons for her abrupt departure.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/08/palin-reason-for-quitting_n_228099.html


Funny. She tried to reject stimulus funds for funding teachers and cops.

[ortiga]

"Today, Palin flew to the Interior village of McGrath to sign an obscure bill to extend the termination date of the Board of Veterinary Examiners."

http://www.adn.com/palin/story/858046.html

[Details]

This is just crazy! Is it some type of revenge on Alaskans, to waste as much money as possible? Or is she enjoying her last taste of being able to fly all over without paying for it? Bizarre.

[MercedesV]

This is just crazy! Is it some type of revenge on Alaskans, to waste as much money as possible? Or is she enjoying her last taste of being able to fly all over without paying for it? Bizarre.

I guess she is being the type of lame duck she talked about in her speech, the kind that she didn't want to be.

There is also at this time confusion on who will become the next Lt. Gov. The legislature had previously approved one in case there was a need to fill the slot. And on Friday Palin publicly put forth another person. The legislature has to figure out how to proceed. Story is in the Anchorage paper.

What happens to Palin's staff? Do they stay on with the new Gov or does he get to select his own staff?

Wouldn't all ethics complaints continue on whether Palin is in office or not?

[ortiga]

A long radio program on NPR on Palin. What Alaskans think:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=106322053


You guys should listen to it, it explains a lot of what we've been trying to get out here on the board.

[LisaM22]

One of the chief reasons Sarah Palin has given for resigning as Governor of Alaska is that her state's taxpayers are being forced to spend money defending her government against ethics complaints that would otherwise fund teachers, cops, and road repair.

But in response to our questions, a spokesperson for the Alaska governor's office just gave us new information that casts serious doubt on this assertion. The revelation makes the resignation episode even stranger, and raises fresh questions about the real reasons for her abrupt departure.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/08/palin-reason-for-quitting_n_228099.html

palin caught in another lie? say it isn't so

[daniel green]

One of the chief reasons Sarah Palin has given for resigning as Governor of Alaska is that her state's taxpayers are being forced to spend money defending her government against ethics complaints that would otherwise fund teachers, cops, and road repair.

But in response to our questions, a spokesperson for the Alaska governor's office just gave us new information that casts serious doubt on this assertion. The revelation makes the resignation episode even stranger, and raises fresh questions about the real reasons for her abrupt departure.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/08/palin-reason-for-quitting_n_228099.html



Well, well, well. :ohmy:

During her resignation speech last week, Palin presented herself as a heroic defender of the taxpayer. She said that money being spent on government lawyers to defend against these “frivolous ethics violations” could be “going to things that are very important, like troopers and roads and teachers and fish research.” Palin repeated exactly the same point this week.

But David Murrow, a spokesperson for the Governor, said in an interview that much of this money was budgeted to the lawyers in advance and would have gone to them anyway, even if state lawyers hadn’t been defending against these ethics complaints.

http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/republican-party/key-reason-palin-gave-for-quitting-appears-to-be-false/

I guess Andrew Sullivan can add this to the list of lies he has compiled.

[daniel green]

Funny. She tried to reject stimulus funds for funding teachers and cops.

Odd, isn't it?

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

David Murro, a spokesperson for the Governor, said in an interview that much of this money was budgeted to the lawyers in advance and would have gone to them anyway, even if state lawyers hadn’t been defending against these ethics complaints.

First thing I would ask is to define "much". Lets see 1.9 million already spent and who knows how much more. But how much is much? Half of nearly 2 million? One million is a lot to me and could be defined as "much". AND one million that did not have to be spent is too much for the taxpayers to bear. A half million is far too much.

But it seems that these "on staff lawyers" would be working on something else. What is being ignored in the are they being paid overtime to assure Palin is defended? A lot of questions IMO. Not as cut and dried as the article seems to present.

[doctor_J]

"Today, Palin flew to the Interior village of McGrath to sign an obscure bill to extend the termination date of the Board of Veterinary Examiners."

http://www.adn.com/palin/story/858046.html

This is what I've been wanting to know. What do Alaskans think about being shafted by the "darling" of the Repubs? I'd like to hear from her Alaskan supporters and those who supported her opponent. Seems they all got a raw deal.

Is there a transcript??

[theal3]

First thing I would ask is to define "much". Lets see 1.9 million already spent and who knows how much more. But how much is much? Half of nearly 2 million? One million is a lot to me and could be defined as "much". AND one million that did not have to be spent is too much for the taxpayers to bear. A half million is far too much.

But it seems that these "on staff lawyers" would be working on something else. What is being ignored in the are they being paid overtime to assure Palin is defended? A lot of questions IMO. Not as cut and dried as the article seems to present.

That's what I've been watching for. She claims it's costing the state MILLIONS to investigate her for frivolous claims, but it's her state investigating her, and they have a "staff of lawyers" who get paid for what ever needs investigating. I only heard one show today, think it was on CNN or MSNBC, who commented that the lawsuits so far on her all (25 or so) have only cost $250,000 out of the millions budgeted for, for state staff lawyers to do their job anyway. But she claims she has private bills of a 1/2 million. Why did she need a private lawyer. As Gov. I would think she had an ATTN. General or something.

And no suits or complaints against her have been filed by Dems, it's the Repub. party of her state!! It's not the media either..... most of us don't even know what complaints they've filed. But she sure wanted to announce it yesterday, about clothes, and logos/endorsements and family trips, which she repaid. But she calls it "frivolous." And the trooper gate thing..... It's like watching a reality soap opera now. IMHO

[Details]

First thing I would ask is to define "much". Lets see 1.9 million already spent and who knows how much more. But how much is much? Half of nearly 2 million? One million is a lot to me and could be defined as "much". AND one million that did not have to be spent is too much for the taxpayers to bear. A half million is far too much.

But it seems that these "on staff lawyers" would be working on something else. What is being ignored in the are they being paid overtime to assure Palin is defended? A lot of questions IMO. Not as cut and dried as the article seems to present.Did not have to be spent? How do you figure that? Ethics investigations are necessary. Palin herself started the most costly one - and it did find she was in the wrong. Several were started by a former ally in Alaska related to allegations of hiring cronies, using a public email to hide her activites from appropriate mandated scrutiny, etc. One complaint that is not pending was validated - Palin paid back taxpayer money that had gone to flying her children all over the place. Another is from an Alaskan citizen who doesn't think charging the state a per diem to sleep at her own house is appropriate.

Politicians should be accountable, and an ethics investigation is a necessary thing.

http://www.adn.com/palin/story/850854.html

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

Did not have to be spent? How do you figure that? Ethics investigations are necessary. Palin herself started the most costly one - and it did find she was in the wrong. Several were started by a former ally in Alaska related to allegations of hiring cronies, using a public email to hide her activites from appropriate mandated scrutiny, etc. One complaint that is not pending was validated - Palin paid back taxpayer money that had gone to flying her children all over the place. Another is from an Alaskan citizen who doesn't think charging the state a per diem to sleep at her own house is appropriate.

Politicians should be accountable, and an ethics investigation is a necessary thing.

http://www.adn.com/palin/story/850854.html



I was not implying that ethics investigations were not necessary. I was commenting on one of Palin’s reasons given for leaving, one she is now being called a liar over. The attorney’s fees, she felt they were going to pile and false claims made up just because she was in office and she would be targeted over and over just because she was in office therefore if she left office there would be no target on her back.

My question was how much is "much" as the article points out? Nothing to do with ethnics investigations not being needed.

[Circe]

I think it´s scary too that this was never a serious issue in the media. No comment as if it was no problem.
imo

As I remember it was brought up a couple of times, and either ignored or shouted down.

Of course, we got the Rev. Wright 24/7.......and it isn't hard to figure out why when one considers the comments that caused all the uproar. JMO,of course.

[LisaM22]

so the lawyers are salaried, paid if working or not, palin sure forgot to mention that, so they get paid if she quits or not

[jaxback]

IMO, Palin's largest, clearest and most immediate loss of support will come from independent voters, since her loyal R base and her D opposition probably won't change much, percentage-wise. So if Christie is running ahead in NJ - where indys constitute a heavyweight voting presence - it seems very smart for the R's to stay as far removed for the x-gov as possible! jmo

[Casspian]

so the lawyers are salaried, paid if working or not, palin sure forgot to mention that, so they get paid if she quits or not

Didn't she also claim her lawyers fees were piling up? I can see she'd have her own lawyer, but since she is being represented on a lot of these things by the State, then how can they be that high?

None of the charges seem frivolous and them stem from her own creations. Maybe she's lucky the charges are heard by the Personnel Board and lucky they have dismissed many of them. Can't those be appealed though?

[Casspian]

That's what I've been watching for. She claims it's costing the state MILLIONS to investigate her for frivolous claims, but it's her state investigating her, and they have a "staff of lawyers" who get paid for what ever needs investigating. I only heard one show today, think it was on CNN or MSNBC, who commented that the lawsuits so far on her all (25 or so) have only cost $250,000 out of the millions budgeted for, for state staff lawyers to do their job anyway. But she claims she has private bills of a 1/2 million. Why did she need a private lawyer. As Gov. I would think she had an ATTN. General or something.

And no suits or complaints against her have been filed by Dems, it's the Repub. party of her state!! It's not the media either..... most of us don't even know what complaints they've filed. But she sure wanted to announce it yesterday, about clothes, and logos/endorsements and family trips, which she repaid. But she calls it "frivolous." And the trooper gate thing..... It's like watching a reality soap opera now. IMHO

I hadn't read far enough. Is ee you had some of the same questions I did. I also heard about $250,000 from another story and wonder how she personally could have 1/2 a mil spent on lawyers - why do I suspect this is either false or what she is trying to raise for attorney representation through donations. Aren't they asking for donations via SarahPAC?

How can she say most of these are frivolous. She was forced to pay quite a bit back already, got lucky on the Troopergate thing because in the end they just couldn't find more against her (missing emails and that weird thing about her and Todd testifying for each other), and then there are many outstanding.

Maybe all this brouhaha is to get donations - getting people worked up so they will donate to the faux 'cause'. I think she is making a mistake to keep claiming this stuff in the media since it will just mean she is looked at under a microscope. I believe the media has given her more of a break than she seems to realize and are tiring of her using them as an outlet without scrutiny.

[ortiga]

http://www.adn.com/opinion/comment/carey/story/858429.html

Quitting cost Palin hope for high office

[ortiga]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-news/reporting/sam-stein

This type of small-bore snark is good fodder for the partisans. For sober-minded Palin supporters, the worry has to be that the soon-to-be-former governor will be permanently defined as the butt of the political joke.

[momof6]

It's funny how some people say they "can't stand Sarah Palin", or say "I wish she would just go away". Buuuuuuut...........I see these same people still looking at threads on her and they can't stop talking about her.

I really think people are intriged with her. It show's by the way people cannot stay away from any thread that has "Palin" in it.

If you really want her to go away from your memory, just don't look at anything about her.

I see alot of double talkers on here.


Sarah Palin rocks and she ain't going away

[Re-Poe]

Actually, she's writing more about the "sallyforth's" of the world.
mo

My take on the article was just another person defending SP and what she has done. Same old - the media is mean- everyone is mean to SP and she is not to blame for any part of anything. Everyone is jealous of her and her looks. LOL okkkkkkkkkkkkkkk. imo

[momof6]

Raptor, thanks for posting Ann's article. I thought the same thing before I even read it.

It's so ovious that people are taken with Sarah, and rightfully so.

[jaxback]

It's funny how some people say they "can't stand Sarah Palin", or say "I wish she would just go away". Buuuuuuut...........I see these same people still looking at threads on her and they can't stop talking about her.

I really think people are intriged with her. It show's by the way people cannot stay away from any thread that has "Palin" in it.

If you really want her to go away from your memory, just don't look at anything about her.

I see alot of double talkers on here.


Sarah Palin rocks and she ain't going away

Well I agree that she certainly isn't going away. IMO, people talk about her because she is always center stage. It reminds of me Paris Hilton or Britney Spears - the public was so oversaturated with their every move for awhile that it was impossible to ignore them whether you liked them, didn't like them or just didn't care. I kind of think it's the same thing with Palin, but it's on a political instead of celebrity level (although that could be argued too). jmo

[Re-Poe]

Raptor, thanks for posting Ann's article. I thought the same thing before I even read it.

It's so ovious that people are taken with Sarah, and rightfully so.

There is only set of people taken with SP and that is the ultra-conservative- believe like us or go to you know where set. Noone else is taken - she is tabloid fodder at this point, Jerry Springer stuff, nothing more and she did it to herself. SNL is gonna have sooooo much material it will last for years. imo

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

Already debunked.. Sorry.

LOL No it was not, why because you say so? Link please.

Again the statement was "much was paid for" How much is much? How is that debunked. 50 percent? Is that how much is much? How much equals much? Because if it is 50 percent then that leaves another 50 percent for the taxpayers to pick up--a million dollars out of the nearly 2 which was billed, thus what Palin said would have been true and not a lie.

A simple question. Seems no one wants to answer and keeps trying to spin or what have you.

How much is "much". That is all I asked.

[Re-Poe]

:beer:What you just said!!!

:beer:

:beer: Thanks- I 'll drink to that. imo

[Re-Poe]

Well, I am someone who has always liked Sarah Palin, and yet you don't have me pegged at all here.

"ultra-conservative - believe like us or go to you know where set"?????
I don't think so.

There are always exceptions to everything. That was just my opinion anyway. I like her too. I just do not believe she has any business being a poitician. I believe in separation of church and state. For SP it seems to be the "all about meeeeeeeeeeee" syndrome. Again my own opinion.

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

Not because I say so, because it's been reported.
Back her with your opinion. I'll stick to the facts. TIA!!

Again what was reported Sally? Her aid said and I quote:



David Murrow, a spokesperson for the Governor, said in an interview that much of this money was budgeted to the lawyers in advance and would have gone to them anyway, even if state lawyers hadn’t been defending against these ethics complaints

So there is the FACT how much is much? Again 50 percent? What? Or are you going to dodge the question once AGAIN?

[LisaM22]

I am offering up this article by Ann Coulter for those who are interested in what she has to say about the subject of those that just can't seem to quit Sarah Palin.
It is not for those who just want to roll their eyes and say nasty things about Ann, so please spare us. I know some of you hate Ann and Sarah. That doesn't negate the article for those who are interested in Ann's take on things.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=32635

jmo

Ann trying to speak for normal people, now that is funny

Ann's take on things.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=32635
"So the motives are clear, but the money is not. Who is paying the rent for the losers filing all these frivolous complaints against Palin?"

wonder if she knows many of the complaints were by republicans not democrats - LOL

[MiamiNice1]

I thought this was a very fair article about Sarah Palin and this past year of her life.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/09/continetti.palin.career/index.html

Commentary: We'll be hearing from Palin for a long time

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

You just answered your own question! Thank you. So, either you're now on board, or you're playing to some other agenda.
:confused:

If you don't understand the question I posted why respond to it.


I asked a rather simple question and I have NOT answered it.

Allow me to re-ask it as posted above:



Again the statement was "much was paid for" How much is much? How is that debunked. 50 percent? Is that how much is much? How much equals much?

Because if it is 50 percent then that leaves another 50 percent for the taxpayers to pick up--a million dollars out of the nearly 2 which was billed, thus what Palin said would have been true and not a lie.

A simple question. Seems no one wants to answer and keeps trying to spin or what have you.

How much is "much". That is all I asked.

[momof6]

RE-POE your wrong. Or is it just wishful thinking?

I'm not ultra conservative.

I've never in my life watched Jerry Springer.

I know plenty of Democrats in my town that like Sarah Palin.

[LisaM22]

One of the chief reasons Sarah Palin has given for resigning as Governor of Alaska is that her state's taxpayers are being forced to spend money defending her government against ethics complaints that would otherwise fund teachers, cops, and road repair.

But in response to our questions, a spokesperson for the Alaska governor's office just gave us new information that casts serious doubt on this assertion. The revelation makes the resignation episode even stranger, and raises fresh questions about the real reasons for her abrupt departure.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/08/palin-reason-for-quitting_n_228099.html

her own spokesperson has already answered that question IaNsSyAlNuE , thanks MercedesV for the link

[LisaM22]

RE-POE your wrong. Or is it just wishful thinking?

I'm not ultra conservative.

I've never in my life watched Jerry Springer.

I know plenty of Democrats in my town that like Sarah Palin.

if you like Palin, my guess is your far right - jmho

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

her own spokesperson has already answered that question IaNsSyAlNuE , thanks MercedesV for the link


Thank you Lisa I just posted from the same statement above.

I just wanted to know how much is this "much" that he speaks of. Is much 50 percent of 1.9 million or more or less?

IMO until we know that figure-- how can anyone say she was lying?

[Mimi428]

That doesn't negate the article for those who are interested in Ann's take on things.


Thanks for the link & the caveat. I can't say that I am ever particularly interested in what AC has so say, based on the stuff I have heard her say in the past, so I doubt I will be beating any paths to her door to find out her opinion on much of anything.

Now if you ever hear of her apologizing for what she has said in the past regarding people who lost their loved ones on 9/11, let me know.

Back to Palin, since she is the subject anyway - I just read this article by David Gibson & it draws attention to a subject some of us have been discussing about Palin & how her core religious views (& those of the Christian Right) are manifested in her words & her actions.

Link here...

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/07/09/queen-sarah-palin-takes-a-page-from-the-book-of-esther/

Queen Sarah? Palin Takes a Page From the Book of Esther

"She's our Queen Esther," Martha Mota told a Texas newspaper at a debate party as Palin prepared to square off against Joe Biden. "She's going to save our whole country."

Frankly, it disturbs me to realize that those of her supporters who profess to hold the strongest Christian faith seem to get her mixed up with the M*ssiah.

JMO

ETA - had no idea that word would be ****'d out, so had to adjust for it.

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

I thought this was a very fair article about Sarah Palin and this past year of her life.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/09/continetti.palin.career/index.html

Commentary: We'll be hearing from Palin for a long time

I thought it was a fair article as well.

Perhaps this will help with the question I was asking above:

The Anchorage Daily News counts 18 ethics complaints filed against Palin. All of them have been dismissed, but at great cost to the state in man-hours and wasted resources. The Palin family's personal legal liability is around half a million dollars


So Palin owes about a half a million because of these (as the articles calls) "many frivolous ethics complaints". Would these “frivolous ethics complaints” have been brought if it not for her being in the spotlight? How much of that 1.9 million would have been better spent and how much is "much" in Murror’s statement?

[MiamiNice1]

I thought it was a fair article as well.

Perhaps this will help with the question I was asking above:


So Palin owes about a half a million because of these (as the articles calls) "many frivolous ethics complaints". Would these “frivolous ethics complaints” have been brought if it not for her being in the spotlight? How much of that 1.9 million would have been better spent and how much is "much" in Murror’s statement?

I didn't know about their personal half million debt due to all the legal wrangling. To me, everything listed in this article is more than enough to discourage and exhaust. In addition to the personal battles, their financial debt seems reason enough to seek a more lucrative position in the private sector.

imo

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

I didn't know about their personal half million debt due to all the legal wrangling. To me, everything listed in this article is more than enough to discourage and exhaust. In addition to the personal battles, their financial debt seems reason enough to seek a more lucrative position in the private sector.

imo

So in not finishing her term she probably saved herself another half million and on top of that she is only paid a quarter of what she OWES for attorney fees because of the frivolous ethics complaints the article speaks of.



Article 01. SALARIES
Sec. 39.20.010. Annual salary of governor.
(a) The annual salary of the governor is $125,000.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_sarah_palin_salary_as_Governor_of_Alaska

[momof6]

It's true...............They just can't stay off the Palin thread.

I think they secretly love her and wish they had a bit of her class!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

It's true...............They just can't stay off the Palin thread.

I think they secretly love her and wish they had a bit of her class!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Quite

The last paragraph of the aticle says:



Whatever she does will be noticed, that's for sure. Because the attention lavished on Palin's decision is further evidence of her unwitting ability to bring out deep-seated feelings of admiration -- and loathing -- in people. We will be hearing from Palin, and from the Palin-haters, for a long while to come

emphasis mine

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/09/continetti.palin.career/index.html

[SeeksJustice]

http://www.adn.com/opinion/comment/carey/story/858429.html

Quitting cost Palin hope for high office

Very interesting article ortiga. What is more interesting than the article is the comments to the article by Alaskans.

I wonder what her rating is among them now???

[daniel green]

http://www.adn.com/opinion/comment/carey/story/858429.html

Quitting cost Palin hope for high office

Terrific piece--thx, Ortiga.

The governor seemed to have trouble breathing -- was on the verge of panting -- as she took a long, clunky windup to make her pitch. She recited her achievements and chastised the media for not appreciating them. She told us how sorry she feels for herself and her family. She praised our brave troops serving abroad, renewed her commitment to the fight for free enterprise, denounced apathy and explained she would not waste public dollars as a lame duck. And she dipped into metaphor, invoking her experience as a high school point guard. The point-guard metaphor was supposed to leave Alaskans appreciating her willingness to pass the ball. Instead it raised an obvious question: "What kind of point guard walks off the court in the fourth quarter, refusing to play any more?"

We are left to guess. The only thing we can be absolutely sure of is this: Palin did not tell the truth when she said she is leaving for the good of Alaskans. She is leaving for her own good. With Sarah Palin, "me" always comes first.

Seems they are onto her.

[SeeksJustice]

I am offering up this article by Ann Coulter for those who are interested in what she has to say about the subject of those that just can't seem to quit Sarah Palin.
It is not for those who just want to roll their eyes and say nasty things about Ann, so please spare us. I know some of you hate Ann and Sarah. That doesn't negate the article for those who are interested in Ann's take on things.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=32635

jmo

Interestingly enough, as with most of AC's articles, this is not really about Sarah Palin but just more liberal bashing. Consider the lenght of space in the article where she has the "mock" conversations of a "liberal" and a "normal person".

I did read her whole article and the actual substance about Palin was so small. Instead she continued to write her mis-information regarding Palin's ethics problems, blaming it on Dems, instead of calling it like it is.

I do get a laugh out of her anyway because she is just such an idiot.

[SeeksJustice]

It's true...............They just can't stay off the Palin thread.

I think they secretly love her and wish they had a bit of her class!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LMBO!!!

Wow....class? Yeah...doing that interview in those classy waders. I better get me a pair so that I can classy just like Sarah Palin...don't ya know.

[Mimi428]

What is more interesting than the article is the comments to the article by Alaskans.


Yes, they are. That one about how she will still be popular with the "inebriated, the uneducated & the mentally disabled" - ouch!

[daniel green]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-news/reporting/sam-stein

snipped.

Priceless.

Quitting when the going gets tough; abandoning the responsibility entrusted to you by your neighbors for book advances and to make money on the lecture circuit.

2. Bizarre move that will damn ambitions for higher office.

"I bet when people saw Jade they were convinced that David Caruso was pullin' a Palin." :laugh:

[daniel green]

snipped. That doesn't negate the article for those who are interested in Ann's take on things.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=32635

jmo

Bless her heart, Coulter is so obsessed with Keith Olbermann. And what a nasty piece, as per usual with her, full of rumor and gossip and nasty comments about women. BLECH.

When she slams a woman who is going through treatment for breast cancer, you can see the evil in what Coulter writes. How horrific.

[MercedesV]

Palin's friends and supporters created the legal defense fund, called the Alaska Fund Trust, in April. It's not known how much it has raised so far. The trust has no oversight from the state or federal political watchdog agencies. The Federal Election Commission said it's a state issue, and the Alaska Public Offices Commission, which oversees campaign spending and the financial disclosures of state elected officials, has no plan to get involved in regulating it, officials said.

http://www.adn.com/palin/story/838930.html

The whole article is worth reading. As to crying over her legal bills, this fund is bringing in a whole lot of money for her. The article is from June and starts out by saying it brought in $100,000 in the last week for her defense fund. It also mentions that part of that big bill is the ethics complaint she brought against herself. As to the cost to the state, according to a spokesperson from her office, well Palin was less than honest about that too. I posted that link yesterday.

Palin keeps playing the victim and people will keep paying her bills. And she'll do well with that book contract and whatever high paying higher calling she decides to do.

[daniel green]

Well I agree that she certainly isn't going away. IMO, people talk about her because she is always center stage. It reminds of me Paris Hilton or Britney Spears - the public was so oversaturated with their every move for awhile that it was impossible to ignore them whether you liked them, didn't like them or just didn't care. I kind of think it's the same thing with Palin, but it's on a political instead of celebrity level (although that could be argued too). jmo

For pete sakes, she gave back to back interviews in the waders right afgter quitting. Putting herself back in another news cycles, with the weird remark about the WH dpt of law. :ohmy:

[LisaM22]

Thank you Lisa I just posted from the same statement above.

I just wanted to know how much is this "much" that he speaks of. Is much 50 percent of 1.9 million or more or less?

IMO until we know that figure-- how can anyone say she was lying?

he says they are salaried and will be paid the same if she quits or not - she lied

[LisaM22]

It's true...............They just can't stay off the Palin thread.

I think they secretly love her and wish they had a bit of her class!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

we just love watching you republicans try to defend her as if she was some kind goddess or something that can do no wrong, it's entertaining - lol

[SeeksJustice]

Yes, they are. That one about how she will still be popular with the "inebriated, the uneducated & the mentally disabled" - ouch!

LOL...I liked the one that posted how she was "sucking as our governor".

Ahhhhh...just feeling all that frosty Alankan love. :wub:

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

he says they are salaried and will be paid the same if she quits or not - she lied

He said:

David Murrow, a spokesperson for the Governor, said in an interview that much of this money was budgeted to the lawyers in advance and would have gone to them anyway, even if state lawyers hadn’t been defending against these ethics complaints

He said "much" was budgeted. Again how much is "much"? He did not say ALL he said much. Again if "much" is 50 percent or 75 percent. A half million or a million is a lot for the taxpayers, wouldn't you agree?

[daniel green]

http://mediamatters.org/columns/200907070009



Frankly, I don't understand some of the rw :wub: for her. Stop making excuses, imo. Your 'Friends' have!!!!

OMG, that's it! The no mas moment. Exactly!

And goodness gracious, all those conservatives saying she was bizarre and she is done. Guess one cannot go with the LW slams anymore.

See the glaring contradiction here? How can it be the so-called liberal media's fault that Palin gets bad press when conservatives were out front giving Palin bad press? How can right-wingers argue that liberals are obsessed with taking Palin down, when it's conservatives who are elbowing each other to reach the front of the get-Palin crowd? In other words, shouldn't the question be: Why do conservatives hate Sarah Palin so much?

[ortiga]

I thought it was a fair article as well.

Perhaps this will help with the question I was asking above:




So Palin owes about a half a million because of these (as the articles calls) "many frivolous ethics complaints". Would these “frivolous ethics complaints” have been brought if it not for her being in the spotlight? How much of that 1.9 million would have been better spent and how much is "much" in Murror’s statement?


The "frivolous" complaints don't cost her a thing, they are filtered out IIRC. She has been reporting that 500K debt since she filed that ethics charge against herself for troopergate last year.

Questions:

1) how much of her debt came from the one she filed against herself, and how much did that cost the state of the roughly 250k the state has paid for ALL the ethics complaints. www.adn.com

2) Has she filed complaints against other people herself? If so how many? IMO this information will be coming out soon-------if so, how many, and what was the possible cost to the state and to the other person.

3) If a complaint is "frivilous" and "dismissed", IIRC she pays nothing, as a lawyer isn't needed at that point. Maybe she is referring to the >8,000 she had to repay the state for putting her childrens' travel on the state dime. Don't forget that this ethics complaint was already in the works when McCain invited her to be on the ticket.

4) when she says she had a complaint against her for a "logo" on a jacket, that is very misleading. Anyone can google the photos of her covered, both jacket and pants with logos of a private company, and her child covered with the logos too. The logos of the company that sponsors her husband, and who sells him snow machines at cost each year. Google Sarah Palin and Arctic Cat, you can see the jacket with the "logo", keep looking until the one where the snow pants with the logos are in the photo too. She was a walking billboard, not, IMO the "jacket with a logo" that she likes to say. Reminiscent of the outfits that the drivers wear at Daytona, covered with logos of the products they are pushing.

http://www.adn.com/palin/story/735153.html
http://community.adn.com/node/141849

If the wearing of the logos all over her jacket and pants was innocuous, then why is she resisting the disclosure?

This is characteristic of the "frivolous" ethics charges....not so "frivolous" to those people concerned about a governor pushing a product that sponsors her husband.

Sarah Palin wouldn't have had any ethics charges filed against her if she had cared about how ethically correct her actions were. IMO

IMO

[daniel green]

snipped

http://www.adn.com/palin/story/838930.html

The whole article is worth reading. As to crying over her legal bills, this fund is bringing in a whole lot of money for her.

Palin keeps playing the victim and people will keep paying her bills. .

Oh, blech. Reminds me of Jim and Tammy Faye Baker, may she RIP, crying and getting folks who could ill afford it to send them money.

From the link:

a national campaign fueled by a conservative Web site reports bringing in more than $100,000 in the past week to her defense fund.

It's not known how much it has raised so far. The trust has no oversight from the state or federal political watchdog agencies.

"You just cannot believe how many people really believe in this governor like I do and others do and are sending in checks for 5 and 10 dollars, saying this is all I have at this time but I'll send you another 5 dollars in two months," Cole said.

[daniel green]

"Palin administration officials provided the Daily News with a breakdown of what it says are $1.9 million in costs. Most if it is a per-hour accounting of the time state employees, such as state attorneys, have spent working on public records requests, lawsuits, ethics complaints, and issues surrounding the Legislature's "Troopergate" investigation last summer of Palin. "Is it a check that we wrote, no, but is it staff hours, yes," Sharon Leighow, spokeswoman for Palin, said of the expenses related to state employee work. Those state employees would have been paid regardless."

http://www.adn.com/palin/story/858523.html

:rolleyes:

[ortiga]

"Palin administration officials provided the Daily News with a breakdown of what it says are $1.9 million in costs. Most if it is a per-hour accounting of the time state employees, such as state attorneys, have spent working on public records requests, lawsuits, ethics complaints, and issues surrounding the Legislature's "Troopergate" investigation last summer of Palin. "Is it a check that we wrote, no, but is it staff hours, yes," Sharon Leighow, spokeswoman for Palin, said of the expenses related to state employee work. Those state employees would have been paid regardless."

http://www.adn.com/palin/story/858523.html

:rolleyes:

I am really glad that is coming out. Her creative accounting. But then 2 million does sound a whole lot more impressive than the actual 250k+.

How long is it going to take one of these investigative reporters to ask how many of those hours were budgeted to cover her own complaint against herself for troopergate.

And, then they need to ask how many of those hours were billed to cover the FOA request for the emails (state business that was copied to her husband) that she is refusing to release.

[SeeksJustice]

I am really glad that is coming out. Her creative accounting. But then 2 million does sound a whole lot more impressive than the actual 250k+.

How long is it going to take one of these investigative reporters to ask how many of those hours were budgeted to cover her own complaint against herself for troopergate.

And, then they need to ask how many of those hours were billed to cover the FOA request for the emails (state business that was copied to her husband) that she is refusing to release.

But really, is she acutally going to pay that herself or is it going to be paid by the "fund" that was set up to pay her legal bills?

That is the real question here....anyone know the answer to that one because I can't seem to find anything that determins one way or the other.

[ortiga]

http://www.philly.com/philly/wires/ap/news/state/new_jersey/20090709_ap_christiewontasksarahpalintocampaigninn j.html

"Palin associates say her decision to quit as Alaska governor was partly driven by her wish to help Republican candidates across the country. But Christie says the failed vice presidential candidate would detract from the New Jersey issues he wants to emphasize."

[daniel green]

I am really glad that is coming out. Her creative accounting. But then 2 million does sound a whole lot more impressive than the actual 250k+.

snipped.

You'd think, by now, she would know by now that reporters will get all that out and everyone will know she lied about it. :huh:

[daniel green]

http://www.philly.com/philly/wires/ap/news/state/new_jersey/20090709_ap_christiewontasksarahpalintocampaigninn j.html

"Palin associates say her decision to quit as Alaska governor was partly driven by her wish to help Republican candidates across the country. But Christie says the failed vice presidential candidate would detract from the New Jersey issues he wants to emphasize."

http://www.adn.com/palin/story/858484.html


Neither the VA or NJ Republican candidates for Gov are having her campaign for them.

[SeeksJustice]

http://www.adn.com/palin/story/858484.html


Neither the VA or NJ Republican candidates for Gov are having her campaign for them.

LOL...I think that would rather have Joe Lieberman campaign for them!

[ortiga]

But really, is she acutally going to pay that herself or is it going to be paid by the "fund" that was set up to pay her legal bills?

That is the real question here....anyone know the answer to that one because I can't seem to find anything that determins one way or the other.

I don't know how much her legal defense fund has collected from the public. I don't know how much her SArahPac has collected from the public.

i would guess that 500k is a drop in the bucket. IMO

Look, she wanted out, she's gonna make a lot of money on the lecture circuit. IMO she made up a story that is getting debunked day by day, re the costs of the ethics charges. I think the final tally will show that the largest amount of the costs from ethics charges were generated by the one she filed against herself, and by the FOA requests to get her state official emails.

If she can detail the cost to the government re how many hours the lawyers spent on ethics charges (although they are already paid through budgeted funds), then it would seem a small thing to ask for the breakdown of exactly which ethics charge and FOA request incurred the bulk of those hours.

IMO

[Mimi428]

He said:



He said "much" was budgeted. Again how much is "much"? He did not say ALL he said much. Again if "much" is 50 percent or 75 percent. A half million or a million is a lot for the taxpayers, wouldn't you agree?

I can appreciate wanting to know the definition of "much" in that regard. I don't think anyone here is going to know the answer. Have you considered contacting the man who made the statement? I'm pretty sure there is a website for the Alaska government contacts which would help you to try to figure out where to direct the inquiry.

[daniel green]

I don't know how much her legal defense fund has collected from the public. I don't know how much her SArahPac has collected from the public.

snipped

They've received 100K in just the last few days.

[SeeksJustice]

They've received 100K in just the last few days.

BUT, can SarahPAC funds legally be used to pay for a legal defense?

As per their website, SarahPAC is:

SarahPac is a federally registered political action committee that supports Gov. Sarah Palin's plans to build a better, stronger, and safer America in the 21st century.


:sneaky:

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

It's ok Lisa, I understand it. I guess if you're looking for a particular answer, and not the correct answer..... Then you just keep posting, and posting, and posting and.....



I am looking for the answer. The answer HAS NOT BEEN POSTED or printed. Do you know it, if so please post it, what is the percentage? If not please do not incite. Thanks!

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

I can appreciate wanting to know the definition of "much" in that regard. I don't think anyone here is going to know the answer. Have you considered contacting the man who made the statement? I'm pretty sure there is a website for the Alaska government contacts which would help you to try to figure out where to direct the inquiry.

Thank you Mimi, I really apperciate the kind and thoughful answer, at least someone here sees what I am asking and KNOWS the answer has not been given. I have been to the we site and can't find the answer but Thank you, again.

[ortiga]

BUT, can SarahPAC funds legally be used to pay for a legal defense?

As per their website, SarahPAC is:

SarahPac is a federally registered political action committee that supports Gov. Sarah Palin's plans to build a better, stronger, and safer America in the 21st century.


:sneaky:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/27/palin-legal-fund-challeng_n_192044.html

ANCHORAGE, Alaska — An ethics complaint filed Monday against Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin claims the legal defense fund formed last week to challenge such claims is an ethics violation itself..

[daniel green]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/27/palin-legal-fund-challeng_n_192044.html

snipped..

Ahhhhhh, so that explains the twitter/facebook fervor of the last week.

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

The "frivolous" complaints don't cost her a thing, they are filtered out IIRC. She has been reporting that 500K debt since she filed that ethics charge against herself for troopergate last year.

Questions:

1) how much of her debt came from the one she filed against herself, and how much did that cost the state of the roughly 250k the state has paid for ALL the ethics complaints. www.adn.com

2) Has she filed complaints against other people herself? If so how many? IMO this information will be coming out soon-------if so, how many, and what was the possible cost to the state and to the other person.

3) If a complaint is "frivilous" and "dismissed", IIRC she pays nothing, as a lawyer isn't needed at that point. Maybe she is referring to the >8,000 she had to repay the state for putting her childrens' travel on the state dime. Don't forget that this ethics complaint was already in the works when McCain invited her to be on the ticket.

4) when she says she had a complaint against her for a "logo" on a jacket, that is very misleading. Anyone can google the photos of her covered, both jacket and pants with logos of a private company, and her child covered with the logos too. The logos of the company that sponsors her husband, and who sells him snow machines at cost each year. Google Sarah Palin and Arctic Cat, you can see the jacket with the "logo", keep looking until the one where the snow pants with the logos are in the photo too. She was a walking billboard, not, IMO the "jacket with a logo" that she likes to say. Reminiscent of the outfits that the drivers wear at Daytona, covered with logos of the products they are pushing.

http://www.adn.com/palin/story/735153.html
http://community.adn.com/node/141849

If the wearing of the logos all over her jacket and pants was innocuous, then why is she resisting the disclosure?

This is characteristic of the "frivolous" ethics charges....not so "frivolous" to those people concerned about a governor pushing a product that sponsors her husband.

Sarah Palin wouldn't have had any ethics charges filed against her if she had cared about how ethically correct her actions were. IMO

IMO

I'm unsure where you get your figure of 250K from but the article you posted says the state is in the hole for 400K and paid much more than 250k.


Most of the complaints have been filed since last August, when GOP presidential candidate John McCain picked Palin as his running mate. And most have been denied.

http://news.aol.com/article/sarah-palin-ethics-complaints/501303


The majority of the complaints have been dismissed.

In all, state officials have spent $1,963,840 to answer records requests from the ethics filings and to respond in other ways to them. Records show that since January 1, 2008, the state has spent $296,043 on such investigations.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/09/palin.ethics/

[daniel green]

A large chunk of that work went into the personnel board "Troopergate" investigation, which Palin herself initiated on the grounds that a legislation investigation was politicized. Only three of the ethics complaints are still pending, a fact that makes Palin's explanation seem even less sensible

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/09/adn-confirms-palins-story_n_228683.html

"Less sensible" is putting it mildly.

[SeeksJustice]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/27/palin-legal-fund-challeng_n_192044.html

ANCHORAGE, Alaska — An ethics complaint filed Monday against Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin claims the legal defense fund formed last week to challenge such claims is an ethics violation itself..

Awesome! :laugh:

I don't know if anyone has actually been on the SarahPAC site since her announcement but it has a link as to why, supposedly in her own words, which by they way it is stated in her usual child-like manner, is pretty funny.

[ortiga]

She wanted to charge $15,364,960 for a FOA request for the official state emails that she shared with her husband. who is not a state employee.

----------------------------------------------------
http://www.pubrecord.org/politics/407-alaska-officials-holding-palins-emails-hostage.html

"But suspicions are mounting that the high cost of the documents are meant to discourage interested parties from accessing Palin's records because of the possibility the documents may contain information damaging to the governor."

[daniel green]

snipped

The majority of the complaints have been dismissed.



http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/09/palin.ethics/

I wonder why Palin said they'd all been dismissed. :confused:

[theal3]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/09/adn-confirms-palins-story_n_228683.html

"Less sensible" is putting it mildly.

But she said on TV many times since last Friday, it was costing the state MILLIONS, and probably MILLIONS more, so she stepped down to SAVE the state. Say what?

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/09/adn-confirms-palins-story_n_228683.html

"Less sensible" is putting it mildly.

From the ADN article:


Asked about that, Leighow said staffers from multiple state agencies had to set aside their normal duties. State lawyers were also pulled off cases, she said.

"Important legal issues involving the state's interests were delayed in order to respond to these complaints. That means lost value to the state, which is measurable in dollars," she said. "There were also hundreds of thousands of dollars spent on equipment and outside legal counsel -- dollars that could have been used to benefit the state."





http://www.adn.com/palin/story/858523.html

[IaNsSyAlNuE]

But she said on TV many times since last Friday, it was costing the state MILLIONS, and probably MILLIONS more, so she stepped down to SAVE the state. Say what?


It has.


In all, state officials say they have spent $1,963,840 to answer records requests from the ethics filings and to respond in other ways to them. Records show that since January 1, 2008, the state has spent $296,043 on such investigations.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/09/palin.ethics/

[GossipGirl]

She's a train wreck.
There's some money problems afoot that we'll hear about soon enough, I believe, which will tank her totally.
She'll hide out, write a book, buy up more Alaska territory, dreaming of the new gas line that's not coming, and in 30 years, on my deathbed, I'll be watching CNN and hearing about how all her kids are worth millions from it.
She'll make money on the lecture circuit, but I think we all can see she does not have the Hootz-Pah to be Prez.
She's no Ann Coulter, but she gets under my skin just the same.
GG