THURSDAY, July 2, 2009

[Scampi]

Good morning everyone, please continue here. I am very glad the DEA has entered this case.

[kitty1182]

Good morning everyone, please continue here. I am very glad the DEA has entered this case.

I'm glad about that too......

(good morning):smile:

[mrsmcgoo]

Good morning everyone, please continue here. I am very glad the DEA has entered this case.

Good morning!

I also am pleased that DEA has gotten on top of this.

When children are involved, it is owed to them that these illegal activites be dealt with accordingly. :thumbsup:

[Scampi]

Hi everyone. Athie, I'm watching the Matt Lauer segment at Neverland also. What a gorgeous place that is, very interesting to see how the rooms were arranged.

If I heard correctly, it seems there will be some sort of service at the Staple Center on Tuesday. I hope who ever is arranging this does it in a dignified way.

[flipflop]

Hi everyone. Athie, I'm watching the Matt Lauer segment at Neverland also. What a gorgeous place that is, very interesting to see how the rooms were arranged.

If I heard correctly, it seems there will be some sort of service at the Staple Center on Tuesday. I hope who ever is arranging this does it in a dignified way.

Hello. I saw the pictures on TMZ of Neverland. Very interesting to finally see inside. Has it said on the show you are watching if MJ designed the home himself? Or helped?

[PBJMOM4]

I don't know if this article is true but if it is would make sense that the Staples Center be a public memorial and the funeral will actually be private. Some talking head on CNN yesterday had reported that Janet was fighting with her father because she believed MJ would have wanted a PRIVATE funeral. Maybe she got her way. I don't know where the TH got his info but there is nothing online I can find but sounded credible but who knows with all of the rumors and innuendoes floating about. Also mentions in the article that MJ will be temporarily buried at Forest Lawn Cemetary while they wait for permits to have his body moved to Neverland.

"The singer's body was to have been transported into Neverland in a white carriage led by two horses and his body placed on view in a glass coffin to give fans a chance to say their personal farewells.

The change of plan is hardly a surprise: someone seemed to have overlooked the fact that a 'public event' permit is required for such gatherings and it was never certain that Jackson could be buried at the ranch - out here you need a permit for that kind of thing too.

Meanwhile, the Jackson family are expected to gather with showbusiness friends on Sunday for a 'private memorial', effectively his funeral.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1196917/Michael-Jacksons-funeral-extravaganza-cancelled.html

I'm confused, but from what I gathered from this article, Sunday is the actual funeral {private} MJ will be buried.{with cement} THEN, it stated the Jacksons will fight in court to have the body removed from this burial spot and relocated over to NEverland IF they win in court.
AM I reading this article incorrectly? Sounds like their plan after reading it.

[GentleBreeze]

GentleBreeze
Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Nestled In Southern Hospitality
Posts: 12,397
I am bringing my post over since I didnt realize the thread was going to close.

Quote:
Originally Posted by mrsmcgoo
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...VOf1gD9969O000

News agency states 2 of 3 people believe too much coverage of MJ's death.

Do you know what the ratings have been since he died?

That would be the best indicator if the majority think there is too much coverage.

Is it bringing in the viewing audience or are the network ratings declining?

[GentleBreeze]

The grounds right outside the main house don't look too bad. It looks like someone has been doing some maintenance on it

They looked absolutely gorgeous to me. What a beautiful place he had there. Absolutely beautiful. It looks like it is being well maintained.

It is very peaceful there.

imo

[mrsmcgoo]

GentleBreeze
Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Nestled In Southern Hospitality
Posts: 12,397
I am bringing my post over since I didnt realize the thread was going to close.

Quote:
Originally Posted by mrsmcgoo
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...VOf1gD9969O000

News agency states 2 of 3 people believe too much coverage of MJ's death.

Do you know what the ratings have been since he died?

That would be the best indicator if the majority think there is too much coverage.

Is it bringing in the viewing audience or are the network ratings declining?


Have no idea what the ratings have been. That was posted according to Associated Press, as per link.

[GentleBreeze]

Surely they could have gotten a permit. The place is over 2,000 acres. It certainly isn't like he is going to be buried right next to someone else's house.

I just attended a funeral this past October and they buried the man on his own property and he had thousands of acres too.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

Have no idea what the ratings have been. That was posted according to Associated Press, as per link.

Ok thank you. Sometimes some of the posters will keep up with the ratings when big stories hit. I just thought you might have seen them mrsmcgoo, but thanks for the link.

imo

[PBJMOM4]

I was so surprised because the TH's made it sound like it was in such disrepair. The only part of it that doesn't seem to be maintained was the amusement park area -- which is understandable since they took everything out of there. Oh well -- another instance of not believing everything you read. :)

Did you see the interview with Jermaine? My heart went out to him even if they had issues :(

I had seen some arial views of the Neverland property and for what it's worth, it did look run down. I did read online maybe yahoo news? that workers were laying down sod and delivery trucks with topiaries were entering the grounds. So, maybe the TH's versions were accurate at the time they had reported the property was in despair. Hard to hell what's fact and fiction these days.

[aproudmom]

Hi everyone. Athie, I'm watching the Matt Lauer segment at Neverland also. What a gorgeous place that is, very interesting to see how the rooms were arranged.

If I heard correctly, it seems there will be some sort of service at the Staple Center on Tuesday. I hope who ever is arranging this does it in a dignified way.

what video or show are you all watching? also LKL will be live at Neverland tonight at 9pm

Good Morning everyone

this is what is on TMZ

Michael Jackson Funeral

Everyone's speculating on Michael Jackson's funeral. We know three things for sure.

-- it won't be until next week
-- it will not be at Neverland
-- it will be in the L.A. area, and the Staples Center is an option but it hasn't been decided.

Beyond that -- the family still hasn't made its decision

[GentleBreeze]

I was so surprised because the TH's made it sound like it was in such disrepair. The only part of it that doesn't seem to be maintained was the amusement park area -- which is understandable since they took everything out of there. Oh well -- another instance of not believing everything you read. :)

Did you see the interview with Jermaine? My heart went out to him even if they had issues :(

I did Athena and Jermaine can make tears stream down my face. I truly believe he idolized his brother and truly loved him. He is such a thoughtful, soft spoken man. Even if he gets no money from MJ it will not change Jermaine's love for him.

imo

[aproudmom]

I was so surprised because the TH's made it sound like it was in such disrepair. The only part of it that doesn't seem to be maintained was the amusement park area -- which is understandable since they took everything out of there. Oh well -- another instance of not believing everything you read. :)

Did you see the interview with Jermaine? My heart went out to him even if they had issues :(

Athena is the link on here? that shows Neverland...TIA

[mrsmcgoo]

http://www.tmz.com/

Drug aliases...:angry: From link:

"Sources tell us the prescription abuse was so egregious, one doctor would call the pharmacy and say Jackson was coming down to get Demerol. The pharmacy would then fill the prescription, leaving the patient's name blank."



See now this is what gets to me. I hope these people get the book thrown at them. :angry:

JMO

[GentleBreeze]

Yes -- apparently the reason they are not burying MJ at NL is because it requires a permit and the permit takes 30 days. I read that in another article yesterday in the 7/1 thread.

According to the article the cement block is because they fear MJ's grave may be tampered with.

Wherever he is buried they will probably have to maintain security 24/7. They even tried to get into Elvis's above ground crypt trying to steal his body. People can be nuts and I guess they think if they kidnap the bodies they can ask for millions in order for them to be returned to the families.

imo

[aproudmom]

O/T sorry but we have a kidnapped Solider in Afghanistan...please pray for him..hits so close to home for me I got a cousin on his 4th tour of duty and a BIL that could have to go back for the 3rd time..:crying:

[aproudmom]

Wherever he is buried they will probably have to maintain security 24/7. They even tried to get into Elvis's above ground crypt trying to steal his body. People can be nuts and I guess they think if they kidnap the bodies they can ask for millions in order for them to be returned to the families.

imo

:scared:omg some people...

[aproudmom]

I was so surprised because the TH's made it sound like it was in such disrepair. The only part of it that doesn't seem to be maintained was the amusement park area -- which is understandable since they took everything out of there. Oh well -- another instance of not believing everything you read. :)

Did you see the interview with Jermaine? My heart went out to him even if they had issues :(

disregard my post to you I found it...

[aproudmom]

Was on the other thread:

Try this:

thanks I seen the link after I ask sorry about that..going to go and watch it..

[Scampi]

This is from last night's Larry King Live. Tonight's show, will be live from Neverland.

FRIEDMAN: Well, I'm reporting on showbiz411.com for my sources. There will be a funeral on Tuesday morning at the Staples Center. We call it L.A. live, from New York. It's Staples Center, the Nokia theater, it's the whole thing.

And AEG live, which owns all of that, was doing the concerts from London. They're a great company, and I think they're putting together the security. I know they wanted me to announce it.

(CROSSTALK)

KING: CNN cannot confirm that Rog.

FRIEDMAN: L I'll see you there.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0907/01/lkl.01.html

[GentleBreeze]

Honestly GB -- some of the coverage is OK - like what they are doing this morning on Today - and the LKL and Anderson Cooper shows with the interviews like Meserau; the tributes -- but reporting all of the rumors and innuendos is just sickening to me. I also think continuing to cover the parentage of the children is just wrong. If they want to discuss the custody issues -- OK but not the parentage. The children are MJ's and DR's. No need to put that all over the news -- it is just horrible for the children. And Diane Dimond -- Oh my -- do not let me get started - she literally turns my stomach and almost every channel has invited her to speak as the "expert" although IMO she is the self-appointed expert who spews venom and erroneous info. JMO

I would imagine that is why some would say the coverage is a bit much.

I have not even had my tv on during the day for the past three days. We are right in the middle of doing some remodeling of our home. So the only thing I get to see is the ones airing about 9 or 10 at night. I have been watching Anderson, LK some. I do not watch JVM or NG anyway, except once in a blue moon.

But I do see the unsubstantiated rumors flying even on those shows I have gotten to watch.

imo

[RootBeer]

Inside Neverland with Matt Laur

[aproudmom]

Yep. People are absolutely nuts or greedy.

OMG -- watching Jermaine again on TV -- and he makes me cry :(

OMG I can not handle it..he wished it had been him man I thought Janet got me all tore up this one is real hard...EMPTY he fills EMPTY..I can not imagine the pain this family is going through and it is not going to end soon..they always talk to nice about their mother:crying:

[GentleBreeze]

O/T sorry but we have a kidnapped Solider in Afghanistan...please pray for him..hits so close to home for me I got a cousin on his 4th tour of duty and a BIL that could have to go back for the 3rd time..:crying:

:rose::patriot:

Anyone that knows me well knows my heart is bonded to the fine men and women in our Armed Services.

My sig shows that. lol

I will say an extra prayer but I pray each day for them all and their families who also have to endure with them away from home in a foreign land.

imo

[PBJMOM4]

LOL Don't know how reliable RadarOnline is but they are reporting it's a $25 charge to enter the memorial.

[aproudmom]

LOL Don't know how reliable RadarOnline is but they are reporting it's a $25 charge to enter the memorial.

well I am sure some will pay that and they know it..so would not surprise me one bit

[aproudmom]

All of the young men and women are in my prayers. I have a nephew who is in Afghanistan and lost a good friend in Africa (some people don't even know we are losing soldiers there too !)

:patriot:

yep way to many they are my heroes...

so what I watched Jerome wanted him to be at Neverland..he broke my heart it is so pretty there

[aproudmom]

I would really like to say this and not get a attack but people become addicted to these drugs because a doctor prescribes them and some one has got to fill them..if he was on depression meds and pain meds I do not put all the blame on MJ a doctor started it and he became addicted I read he had depression and anxiety and insomnia and pain so the start is with these doctors and the ones filling them..someone said yesterday why would we care he had died since he knew he could die and leave his children I disagree it had nothing to do with his parenting I have heard nothing but good about that..I have said this before I am getting ready to take care of a 1yr old his mom tore so bad while having him she was given pain meds and then she got addicted to them and the doctors would not write them anymore she needs help and me and my oldest will be there for her and her son and I barely know her so we are putting her into treatment and I will have a little one for a month or how ever long it takes,...So yes people decide when they put them in their moth but in most cases the docs give them so much and then cuts them off cold turkey so they go and buy it off the streets...

[mrsmcgoo]

cha ching$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ how sad.:sad:

Not surprising to me, was waiting to see how much it would cost fans to pay their respects.

JMO

[GentleBreeze]

I imagine to close down Staples Center AND the Nokia Theatre would have to cost big bucks plus security so $25 would be reasonable. Most are expected would be his die-hard fans so doesn't surprise me

They are having a private funeral service on Sun and will include showbusiness people so it is understandable the public one would cost as it is the fans that want the memorial. Reading blogs -- some are flying in from Italy, Spain, Germany -- JMO

Yes, I am sure if it means enough to them to come they will not mind paying $25.

They know it is going to be very costly to have it there.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

I would really like to say this and not get a attack but people become addicted to these drugs because a doctor prescribes them and some one has got to fill them..if he was on depression meds and pain meds I do not put all the blame on MJ a doctor started it and he became addicted I read he had depression and anxiety and insomnia and pain so the start is with these doctors and the ones filling them..someone said yesterday why would we care he had died since he knew he could die and leave his children I disagree it had nothing to do with his parenting I have heard nothing but good about that..I have said this before I am getting ready to take care of a 1yr old his mom tore so bad while having him she was given pain meds and then she got addicted to them and the doctors would not write them anymore she needs help and me and my oldest will be there for her and her son and I barely know her so we are putting her into treatment and I will have a little one for a month or how ever long it takes,...So yes people decide when they put them in their moth but in most cases the docs give them so much and then cuts them off cold turkey so they go and buy it off the streets...

I agree this is nothing to do about not caring. This is about drug addiction. Millions of people are addicted to prescription medications. None of them just got up one day and set their goals on being addicted to drugs. It is a progression of a period of time.

I think MJs life was being a father to his kids and it seems whether addicted or not he was thinking of them and made sure they will be well provided for......

I know several people that had surgeries, back problems or injuries that became addicted to painkillers.

imo

[RootBeer]

It's 10:15 in SE Mich. and 58 degree's I could use 2. Pain hurts. Where's summer?

I am in Michigan also. This feels like football weather. :scared:

[*Serenity*]

Oh please, it's a horrible economy, specially for CA residents( Arnie's issuing IOU's). AEG will make millions off the rehearsal's alone. Rip off's.:cursing:

I think this is the wisest decision they made, especially for public safety, parking & traffic control. The security, proper facilities, emergency services, etc. will be readily available at Staples to handle such a large crowd of fans.

Many voiced their concerns about the costs the city would endure if they had the memorial at Neverland, and the majority did not want the state to take on the overtime and provide any traffic control or security. (( and the public safety/liability would be huge ))

The $25 admission will more than likely cover the expenses for using the center, security, parking control, and other manpower required to handle this crowd. (( like a concert crowd really ))

Yea, the state is broke and it is what is... however I see thousands of people purchasing concert tickets, ball game tickets, etc. -- even with a lousy economy. If the state is not having to assist with the Staples center, I would think this would make the public happy to see their tax dollars will not be used for Michael Jackson.

Granted-- the state will be wasting our tax dollars elsewhere just as they have been doing over the past several years. (( broke - IOU's - cutting every good program we have for our children & seniors ))

IMO

[*Serenity*]

Wonder why the rock musican's haven't said much. Except Sir Paul.

The media probably has not been chasing them down for interviews or comments, however Twitter seems to be poplular in the celebrity world right now.

The link has 'tweets' from celebrities, I believe close to 500 listed, and probably more if I keep googling. lol


http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/entertainment/Stars_Tweet_Over_Michael_Jackson_Loss.html

[GentleBreeze]

It's 10:15 in SE Mich. and 58 degree's I could use 2. Pain hurts. Where's summer?

Well I started to tell you if you wanted a warm climate Snazzy to come on down South but the heat is like wearing a blanket when walking out side with our humidity.:thumbdown: The heat index has been about 110-114 degrees here for almost three weeks straight.

I have nothing against anyone that does take prescription pain meds though if they need them to make their pain more tolerable. My problem is I greatly detest doctors and don't go even when I know I need to go.


imo

[Dunlurken]

cha ching$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ how sad.:sad:

I'm going to have to disagree on this one. It costs big bucks to open a place like the coliseum (sp?), so of course you would have to charge money. JMO.

[Dunlurken]

cha ching$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ how sad.:sad:

I'm going to have to disagree on this one. It costs big bucks to open a place like the coliseum (sp?), so of course you would have to charge money. JMO.

OOPS!

[GentleBreeze]

I'm going to have to disagree on this one. It costs big bucks to open a place like the coliseum (sp?), so of course you would have to charge money. JMO.

Can you even imagine the amount it is going to cost to get the place cleaned up and back orderly again after it is over?

$25 is very reasonable.

imo

[*Serenity*]

All rock musician's from the 70's and the 80's, 90's. Bon Jovi, Styx, etc...........they should acknowledge Michaels talent, IMO


He has news coverage in Rolling Stone... does that count? lol


http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/28852664/rolling_stones_essential_michael_jackson_coverage


I think some Country Stars also commented about MJ's passing, at least a few I heard on the news. Seems he worked with so many artists from all arenas, really.

[*Serenity*]

why not 5$. AEG will be rich, they own Staples and Nokia. Plus his 100 hrs of rehearsal video. The CEO is probably jumping on his expensive bed, screaming I'm richer, at Michael's expense. Sad.

They already lost tons of money to get the tour started plus refunding tickets. :shrug:

I don't think the city of LA would like to endure the chaos or expenses to handle the MJ crowds. The hospital scene was bad enough.

AEG will be making money, paying expenses, and then reporting the income on taxes. Also- the crowds coming in will generate additional income for the city from hotels, nightclubs, restuarants, shopping, etc. It makes sense to generate tax dollars verses the city spending tax dollars to keep the public safe.

If the fans want to attend this service bad enough they should be willing to cover the expenses to do so, which I have no doubt they will refuse the admission charge. I read where the 'This Is It' t-shirts will not go to waste and be sold at Staples as well. I would imagine many people are coming up with items to sell, so again more tax dollars.

[*Serenity*]

Too, too many LOL -- no way to post them all. :)

http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/25/elton-john-sings-for-michael-jackson/

http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/news/2009/07/01/u2-sing-tribute-to-michael-jackson-on-first-date-of-360-world-tour-in-barcelona-video-and-pics-115875-21486856/

http://bonjovijournal.blogspot.com/2009/06/rip-michael-jackson.html

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/News-By-Industry/Media--Entertainment-/Entertainment/Reactions-to-Michael-Jacksons-death/articleshow/4704630.cms

http://www.metalhammer.co.uk/news/rock-stars-react-to-the-death-of-michael-jackson/

http://www.theboot.com/2009/06/25/country-stars-react-to-michael-jacksons-death/


http://asianfanatics.net/forum/HK-Stars-react-to-Michael-Jackson-s-sudden-death-talk664357.html

http://web.orange.co.uk/article/michael-jackson-british-musicians-pay-tribute

Thanks Athena-- :)
Lots of reading material there... some sites in which I have never visited.

[JHP]

What I find to be curious is Macaulay Culkin has not made a statement. Although he is still pretty young.

[RootBeer]

ok I agree, hopefully this will help heal the the CA economy somewhat, Mi has a republican gov. too. The state is dying here too. LOL don't direct me to the policital board.:tonguewag:

I thought Grandmole was a democrate?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_Granholm

[Firehead11]

why not 5$. AEG will be rich, they own Staples and Nokia. Plus his 100 hrs of rehearsal video. The CEO is probably jumping on his expensive bed, screaming I'm richer, at Michael's expense. Sad.

Don't forget that they have to refund 82 million in tickets sales IF everyone wants their money back for that concert. They are claimeing that they have laid out 20 million already. Add to it IF Michael Jackson died of an overdose or drugs, the insurance company is claiming that they may not pay any insurance.

If you wish to have links for all of this, give me time...... I have to find them all.

JMO

[Firehead11]

What I find to be curious is Macaulay Culkin has not made a statement. Although he is still pretty young.

He didn't say much after his sister died either. He has been very quiet all this time.

[Unperson1984]

Yes -- apparently the reason they are not burying MJ at NL is because it requires a permit and the permit takes 30 days. I read that in another article yesterday in the 7/1 thread.

According to the article the cement block is because they fear MJ's grave may be tampered with.

I'm at a loss to understand why they think they can bury MJ on land they don't own outright.

[*Serenity*]

What I find to be curious is Macaulay Culkin has not made a statement. Although he is still pretty young.

His sister died in December 2008. I think Mac is either 28 or 29 now.
With his sisters death and now Michael, he may not have much to say right now.

http://www.tmz.com/2008/12/11/macaulays-sister-dies/

[Unperson1984]

cha ching$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ how sad.:sad:

It will be more than $25. Staples charges to park and no doubt there will be some things for sale at the service.

I think Staples is a good choice, they have all the facilities and there own Security Team. The price is fair and necessary to offset the cost.

[*Serenity*]

Not sure about 411-Hollywood but this is one of their recent updates.



Exclusive: it seems like AEG Live no longer wants to wait to show video proof of Michael Jackson’s fitness and health. Sources say the concert promoter will likely release some “live” video clips from Jackson’s rehearsals either late tonight or early tomorrow. The release will not be exclusive but rather like a movie release—wide—to get the most impact.

http://www.showbiz411.com/michael-jackson-final-tour-rehearsal-video-clips-release-aeg-photos

[RootBeer]

I disagee, they will make mega millions off the rehearsal CD, they will market, to off set the costs. Why not 5$? So it will end up a mega bucko's payday after paying everyone. A$sholes. Sad.

I think $25 is reasonable, but I also think $1 of each enterance fee should go to the favorite charity of Michael Jackson. JMO

[who_is_it]

I would really like to say this and not get a attack but people become addicted to these drugs because a doctor prescribes them and some one has got to fill them..if he was on depression meds and pain meds I do not put all the blame on MJ a doctor started it and he became addicted I read he had depression and anxiety and insomnia and pain so the start is with these doctors and the ones filling them..someone said yesterday why would we care he had died since he knew he could die and leave his children I disagree it had nothing to do with his parenting I have heard nothing but good about that..I have said this before I am getting ready to take care of a 1yr old his mom tore so bad while having him she was given pain meds and then she got addicted to them and the doctors would not write them anymore she needs help and me and my oldest will be there for her and her son and I barely know her so we are putting her into treatment and I will have a little one for a month or how ever long it takes,...So yes people decide when they put them in their moth but in most cases the docs give them so much and then cuts them off cold turkey so they go and buy it off the streets...

My opinion about prescriptions drugs is quite radical: They just treat the symptoms, not the mental / emotional problem itself. No matter how much someone emotionally suffers -- the person has to go through.

Doctors, psychologists and psychiatrists who recklessly prescribe psychotropic drugs aren't aware that there are reciprocal influences between mental and physical health imo. Sometimes the patients are even unaware how strong and addictive the prescribed drugs are.

[Unperson1984]

I disagee, they will make mega millions off the rehearsal CD, they will market, to off set the costs. Why not 5$? So it will end up a mega bucko's payday after paying everyone. A$sholes. Sad.

AEG is a for-profit company and I wouldn't expect them to lose money hosting a memorial. I was shocked when it was rumored to be at Neverland, sounded like one of Joe's Pie-in-the-sky ideas.

I don't think the family has enough ready cash to host an event of this size on their own, so I'm glad AEG can give the fans an outlet for their grief.

[athina]

If I had a ticket, I'd keep it. But I save stuff like that. I still have the original article when the lead singer for Led Zepplin's son (Charak) died, everything about JFK Jr. death, Princess Diana. I bought my spoiled daughter Princess Diana dolls. As an investment. Plus I loved her.


http://www.rockhall.com/inductee/led-zeppelin

HA HA Ohhhh I can sooooo relate to that! I was just yesterday talking to a friend about that because I was able to get a copy of the Special Editon of Time magazine for MJ and I was soooo happy!!!!!
I was telling this friend that I have a copy of the Dec 31, 1999 edition of my local newspaper and the one of January 1st, 2000! LOL
I also own a copy of Time magazine for the Mexico Earthquake in 1985 and the one in which the ruling party in this country lost the elections after 70 years. Um I guess I have given away info on where I live LOL.

[Unperson1984]

I think $25 is reasonable, but I also think $1 of each enterance fee should go to the favorite charity of Michael Jackson. JMO

I'm surprised someone in the Jackson family hasn't thought to start a "Michael Jackson Foundation" to benefit sick children. They could ask fans to donate and pay themselves fat salaries. (I'm thinking of Joe and a couple of the brothers.)

[Citygirl]

But any revenue from that (after all debts are paid) will go into Jackson's estate for his children. Why should his kids foot the bill so his fans can say goodbye? That's their money....let's leave it for them.


Here here..common sense..how refreshing..kudos to you Mason!

[missinglink]

I'm surprised someone in the Jackson family hasn't thought to start a "Michael Jackson Foundation" to benefit sick children. They could ask fans to donate and pay themselves fat salaries. (I'm thinking of Joe and a couple of the brothers.)

No kidding. They probably will do just that. Let's just hope it doesn't end up like the "fraudation" of the Anthony saga.

[missinglink]

Pay for your grief here, just 25$ plus t shirts, cups, etc, sad:ohmy:

Yeah, really!

And $25 times 20,000 seats is $500,000 if my math is correct.

[Firehead11]

I'm at a loss to understand why they think they can bury MJ on land they don't own outright.

Well he still does own part of it. And if the other owner agrees? Why not?

[Unperson1984]

We won't see his trust - but J Randy Taborelli said he was sure there was something in the Trust for charities. I think that would be a great idea though.

I made that suggestion with tongue-in-cheek, fly by night "foundations" are a huge scam. Something I could imagine Joe Jackson doing.

[who_is_it]

OK.............i said this a couple of days ago, but no one agreed with me. So i am gonna post this again.............on this video back in march of this year when he made the announcement of his concerts, i say once again that this guy is a look-alike. look at him when he gets out of the bus.........thats not his walk. look at his mouth........that looks like a Mick Jagger mouth...not like MJ's mouth. i mean...........am i going nuts or does anyone else see this? jmo
here's the link..................http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_256XQiS1X8&NR=1

There was spinned the rumor it has been an impersonator... but back then I looked at the video and compared the hands of Michael Jackson and the alleged impersonator. Result: It was Michael Jackson.

Compare 2:17 of the video and this pic which I just googled (not hard to find a pic with his typical gesture..., LOL):
http://bossip.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/michael-jackson.jpg

[flipflop]

OK.............i said this a couple of days ago, but no one agreed with me. So i am gonna post this again.............on this video back in march of this year when he made the announcement of his concerts, i say once again that this guy is a look-alike. look at him when he gets out of the bus.........thats not his walk. look at his mouth........that looks like a Mick Jagger mouth...not like MJ's mouth. i mean...........am i going nuts or does anyone else see this? jmo
here's the link..................http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_256XQiS1X8&NR=1


Looks, walks, sounds just like him to me.

ETA...he looks better here than I have seen him in a long time.

[*Serenity*]

I made that suggestion with tongue-in-cheek, fly by night "foundations" are a huge scam. Something I could imagine Joe Jackson doing.

He has to come up with a 'souce' to fund his new record company, especially since he was intentionally left out of his son's will. PLUS he and Katherine filed bankruptcy writing off debts and claiming literally no assests, even went so far as to report month to month tenancy for the home their son (MJ) owns. Additional filings and settlements were still going on in 2008-- and they originally filed in 1999.

So.. yea Joe will come up with various ways to profit from his son's death. Katherine running to the court without disclosing her knowlege of the will, and obtaining temporary rights to over 2,000 items in Neverland, sounds like Joe pushing her to do this. Who knows what he will do next, especially after watching him in public with smiles, thumbs up, and the BET awards.

[who_is_it]

Lou Ferrigno about Michael Jackson

The sentionalizing title "Ferrigno -- MJ Used Drug Alias for Crank Calls" is totally misleading if you watch the interview in which Ferrigno said how funny Michael was. Furthermore Ferrigno said he wasn't in fear at all to be no stage soon but looking forward it.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/02/lou-ferrigno-michael-jackson-drug-alias-video/

[Unperson1984]

Well he still does own part of it. And if the other owner agrees? Why not?

California is very strict about human remains and where they can be buried. In fact, with the exception of former Presidents, rarely is such a permit issued. In the few cases a permit has been issued, it is on government held land.

I understand the MJ only held a 24% share of Neverland, that leaves the real possibility that at some point majority owners could want the body moved to make way for profitable use of the land.

[lilismom]

Whew! Just finished catching up.

I just knew the family wasn't listening to the executors until they filed the will. Appears they still aren't. Shame. I don't see how it will be challenged but, as we've seen in recent days, crazy things keep on happenin!

Any word on who the "MJ Family Trust" is yet?

IMO,
Lilismom

[who_is_it]

I don't care for Michael's impersonaters. I can watch his video's online and get the real thing.:wub:

lol missed the e

Oh, there are fantastic impersonators like "Signature". But the real thing is better, for sure!

Nevertheless I just reacted to the concern of another poster who said no one replied to his notion it wasn't MJ himself who announced the concerts in the O2 arena.

[*Serenity*]

A 2002 video shown on Good Morning America Thursday showed the inside of the lavish Los Angeles mansion the King of Pop Michael Jackson died at June 25.

The value of the 17,000 square foot estate, which boasts seven bedrooms and 13 bathrooms, is estimated at $30 million. The posh neighborhood it lies in has also housed show biz icons including Marilyn Monroe, Cher and Elvis Presley in the past.



http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/07/video-inside-room-michael-jackson-died

[Firehead11]

California is very strict about human remains and where they can be buried. In fact, with the exception of former Presidents, rarely is such a permit issued. In the few cases a permit has been issued, it is on government held land.

I understand the MJ only held a 24% share of Neverland, that leaves the real possibility that at some point majority owners could want the body moved to make way for profitable use of the land.

Oh I think it could be very profitable and he doesn't have to be buried in the sense of the word, he could be entombed. The Governor stated he would try to get the paper work through so it just might happen, who knows? I hope wherever he is laid to rest, the grounds are very protected.

[RootBeer]

OK.............i said this a couple of days ago, but no one agreed with me. So i am gonna post this again.............on this video back in march of this year when he made the announcement of his concerts, i say once again that this guy is a look-alike. look at him when he gets out of the bus.........thats not his walk. look at his mouth........that looks like a Mick Jagger mouth...not like MJ's mouth. i mean...........am i going nuts or does anyone else see this? jmo
here's the link..................http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_256XQiS1X8&NR=1

i watched it again, and i think i agree, impersonator!

[Unperson1984]

Whew! Just finished catching up.

I just knew the family wasn't listening to the executors until they filed the will. Appears they still aren't. Shame. I don't see how it will be challenged but, as we've seen in recent days, crazy things keep on happenin!

Any word on who the "MJ Family Trust" is yet?

IMO,
Lilismom

According to the Will it was Michael, he was both the Trustor and Trustee. It sounds like a basic living Trust.

[Unperson1984]

Oh I think it could be very profitable and he doesn't have to be buried in the sense of the word, he could be entombed. The Governor stated he would try to get the paper work through so it just might happen, who knows? I hope wherever he is laid to rest, the grounds are very protected.

I doubt Neverland will ever become another Graceland. The governor can only do so much, the County of Santa Barbara is another story.

[RootBeer]

The Talent and Tragedy
Michael Jackson
1958-2009

Great photo of MJ

Just got my copy in the mail.

(small photo of farrah in top right corner)

[PBJMOM4]

OK.............i said this a couple of days ago, but no one agreed with me. So i am gonna post this again.............on this video back in march of this year when he made the announcement of his concerts, i say once again that this guy is a look-alike. look at him when he gets out of the bus.........thats not his walk. look at his mouth........that looks like a Mick Jagger mouth...not like MJ's mouth. i mean...........am i going nuts or does anyone else see this? jmo
here's the link..................http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_256XQiS1X8&NR=1

WOW, ya know, when I watched it on tv {the clips of this} I really thought his VOICE was not "right" or something.
Maybe an effect of possible drugs that changed his voice?
WOW Bubbles, this is interesting!

[RootBeer]

Was the impersonater gonna dance for him?

I have no idea....

[MoonHarvest]

Good morning.

I found this article with video snippets quite interesting. Seems like a nice guy here. I found the last video snippet near the bottom of the page quite interesting.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Michael-Jackson-UK-Bodyguard-Matt-Fiddes-Tells-Of-Stars-Secret-Girlfriend-And-Drugs-Hell/Article/200907115327444

hope it works. If not, it is at Sky News.

[Unperson1984]

Sneddon still there?:cursing:

Not since 2007.

[Unperson1984]

Pay for your grief here, just 25$ plus t shirts, cups, etc, sad:ohmy:

Maybe not that tacky, but a "Limited Edition Commemorative Booklet" for only $50. This is Los Angeles, there were people selling MJ t-shirts outside the hospital the day he died.

:glare:

[lilismom]

Just in case ya missed it....Memorial Set for Tuesday....7 years to the day after he signed his Will :(.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/07/02/jackson.wednesday/index.html

IMO,
Lilismom

[missinglink]

Just in case ya missed it....Memorial Set for Tuesday....

http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/07/02/jackson.wednesday/index.html

IMO,
Lilismom

Okay, so 40% goes to his mom, 40% to his children, and 20% to charities.

It says upon the death of his mom, whatever is remaining of her 40% share, goes to his children.

Thanks!

[*Serenity*]

I'm still disturbed about the 'unknown' doctors prescribing all the medications, and outraged with the pharmacy filling presciptions without a patient's name. I just can't wrap my mind around this.


Sources tell us the prescription abuse was so egregious, one doctor would call the pharmacy and say Jackson was coming down to get Demerol. The pharmacy would then fill the prescription, leaving the patient's name blank.

This was discussed last night, sorry about the repeat.


http://www.tmz.com/

[lilismom]

Okay, so 40% goes to his mom, 40% to his children, and 20% to charities.

It says upon the death of his mom, whatever is remaining of her 40% share, goes to his children.

Thanks!

I saw that! More info there than I thought - posted before I finished reading it! Won't do that again!


IMO,
Lilismom

[lilismom]

I'm still disturbed about the 'unknown' doctors prescribing all the medications, and outraged with the pharmacy filling presciptions without a patient's name. I just can't wrap my mind around this.



This was discussed last night, sorry about the repeat.


http://www.tmz.com/


Me either Serenity and was this the same pharmacy that was allegedly owed $100,000? If so, it wasn't about the money. Why then? Just because it was MJ I suppose.

IMO,
Lilismom

[VC2]

I was so surprised because the TH's made it sound like it was in such disrepair. The only part of it that doesn't seem to be maintained was the amusement park area -- which is understandable since they took everything out of there. Oh well -- another instance of not believing everything you read. :)

Did you see the interview with Jermaine? My heart went out to him even if they had issues :(

i cant watch videos (dial up) unless i spend hours downloading and doing nothing else. What did it say?

[VC2]

I did Athena and Jermaine can make tears stream down my face. I truly believe he idolized his brother and truly loved him. He is such a thoughtful, soft spoken man. Even if he gets no money from MJ it will not change Jermaine's love for him.

imo

if its true that its 40 40 and 20 i think jermaine and the other siblings that need help will be ok. I can't imagine Katherine not sharing her portion with her kids who need it.

imo
(now if it was joe...thats another question)

[missinglink]

I saw that! More info there than I thought - posted before I finished reading it! Won't do that again!


IMO,
Lilismom

LOL! I appreciated that link, lilismom.

[who_is_it]

You're right watch this...........http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1362867/britains_got_talent_semi_final/

Oh, thank you!

This is the first "Signature"-performance on "Britain's got talent": Bilie Jean mixed with Bhangra:

The performance starts at 1:14, the funny part starts at 1:50.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaBsshIYT2w

[MoonHarvest]

Just in case ya missed it....Memorial Set for Tuesday....7 years to the day after he signed his Will :(.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/07/02/jackson.wednesday/index.html

IMO,
Lilismom


As much as I detest crowds, I wish I could go.:sad:

[missinglink]

if its true that its 40 40 and 20 i think jermaine and the other siblings that need help will be ok. I can't imagine Katherine not sharing her portion with her kids who need it.

imo
(now if it was joe...thats another question)

I agree about Joe, lol. I don't know enough about his siblings to give even my opinion on them.

[missinglink]

When was Blanket born? Right before the Will? 2001 or 2002?

[who_is_it]

if its true that its 40 40 and 20 i think jermaine and the other siblings that need help will be ok. I can't imagine Katherine not sharing her portion with her kids who need it.

imo
(now if it was joe...thats another question)

I wonder why long-time friends get nothing at all...

[*Serenity*]

Me either Serenity and was this the same pharmacy that was allegedly owed $100,000? If so, it wasn't about the money. Why then? Just because it was MJ I suppose.

IMO,
Lilismom


I am hoping with the DEA involved they will track each and every person involved with this conduct, and then take complete action against every individual that participated in this crime.

The IV situation is also mind boggling- sounds just as bad as selling drugs on the street. Really quite comparable since it was more than likely obtained illegally.

[missinglink]

Sorry, posting again so I can get off my last post, which was 666.

Kathleen's estate, when she dies, will be a mess, IMO.

[*Serenity*]

I wonder why long-time friends get nothing at all...


Sounds like his main focus was his children.

[vonna]

Just in case ya missed it....Memorial Set for Tuesday....7 years to the day after he signed his Will :(.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/07/02/jackson.wednesday/index.html

IMO,
Lilismom

That falls under the "Believe It Or Not" category.

[lilismom]

When was Blanket born? Right before the Will? 2001 or 2002?

End of 01 - beginning of 02? One of the articles says something about the most recent version of the Will having been done X months after the birth of Prince Michael II. I just can't bring myself to call the kid Blanket.

IMO,
Lilismom

[lilismom]

Sorry, posting again so I can get off my last post, which was 666.

Kathleen's estate, when she dies, will be a mess, IMO.

Hopefully she'll have someone NOW to get her affairs in order. After all, she is 79...

IMO,
Lilismom

[missinglink]

Sounds like his main focus was his children.

And that's where I think it should be. I can't see where Kathleen would need 40% though. I would have left most to the children, not equal shares, mother vs. 3 children at 40% each. But, that's me. LOL! JMO.

[lilismom]

That falls under the "Believe It Or Not" category.

Yep. Right now, doesn't everything??

IMO,
Lilismom

[flipflop]

Sounds like his main focus was his children.

And such a nice, hard, public, slap in the face to his father.

[*Serenity*]

When was Blanket born? Right before the Will? 2001 or 2002?




There are all sorts of reports of a second Michael Jackson will -- we're told a second will does NOT exist.

We do know Jackson signed several wills prior to the one that was filed today in court. The will was signed in July, 2002 -- almost five months after Prince Michael Jackson II was born. We're told Jackson had wills before that but updated them after the birth of the third child.

The prior wills became null and void when Jackson signed the 2002 will.



http://www.tmz.com/

[lilismom]

And that's where I think it should be. I can't see where Kathleen would need 40% though. I would have left most to the children, not equal shares, mother vs. 3 children at 40% each. But, that's me. LOL! JMO.

Who knows what he was thinking 7 years ago. Certainly not that he would be dead at 50 and leaving his 3 children to his 79 year old mother. Wouldn't leaving it all to his children minus the percentage for charity be ultimately caring for his mother anyway if she retains custody? I wonder why he left anything specifically to her at all. I guess since it will all go back to the kids upon her death....Oh I dunno, so confusing!

IMO,
Lilismom

[missinglink]

End of 01 - beginning of 02? One of the articles says something about the most recent version of the Will having been done X months after the birth of Prince Michael II. I just can't bring myself to call the kid Blanket.

IMO,
Lilismom

Thank you for the info. No disrespect meant on the Blanket name, but I couldn't remember his full name. But at the same time, it would be hard for for to call him Prince Michael II all the time. That's a little over the top for me. JMO.

[*Serenity*]

And such a nice, hard, public, slap in the face to his father.

:)

His Father deserves far more humiliation than what he has received.

IMO

[lilismom]

Thank you for the info. No disrespect meant on the Blanket name, but I couldn't remember his full name. But at the same time, it would be hard for for to call him Prince Michael II all the time. That's a little over the top for me. JMO.

I didn't take it disrespectfully at all. I mean, that's what his own father called him. I just can't.

IMO,
Lilismom

[vonna]

Sorry, posting again so I can get off my last post, which was 666.

Kathleen's estate, when she dies, will be a mess, IMO.

I just received a breaking news alert stating that Debbie Rowe wants custody of her two children. That's what I call a burst of mother love now that money is involved.

[VC2]

OMG I can not handle it..he wished it had been him man I thought Janet got me all tore up this one is real hard...EMPTY he fills EMPTY..I can not imagine the pain this family is going through and it is not going to end soon..they always talk to nice about their mother:crying:

I think in the case of MJ there are a lot of mixed up feelings to. Not in the bad way but just the family dynamics, and probably anger/jealousy/love/frustration/guilt etc.

When he died all the negative feelings must have just drained away and left lots of pain

IMO

[missinglink]

http://www.tmz.com/

Thank you Serenity. I love your nic...gives me peaceful thoughts. LOL!

[*Serenity*]

I just received a breaking news alert stating that Debbie Rowe wants custody of her two children. That's what I call a burst of mother love now that money is involved.

I read earlier that she had lawyered up and would be in court on Monday along with everyone else! Going to get real 'nasty'.
She doesn't want the children-- she wants the $$$$$$$ and the
only way to get her hands on the $$$$$$ is get her hands on the
children. She is disgusting and a disgrace to the word Mother, or
what a Mother really is.

[CinderL.]

I just received a breaking news alert stating that Debbie Rowe wants custody of her two children. That's what I call a burst of mother love now that money is involved.

I did hear that she had hired an attny. and that he would be in court today for the hearing.
Why doesn't that surprise me. :rolleyes:

I really don't think she has a chance.

[*Serenity*]

Thank you Serenity. I love your nic...gives me peaceful thoughts. LOL!

Thanks missing.... I would love to change my 'real' name but I think I am too old for that at this stage in life. lol

If one my daughters has another daughter maybe I can convince her to use this name... probably not since she didn't like the names I picked out for any of the others. Funny-- I call one of them by the name I picked out-- for Grammy's nickname for him. :)

[missinglink]

I read earlier that she had lawyered up and would be in court on Monday along with everyone else! Going to get real 'nasty'.
She doesn't want the children-- she wants the $$$$$$$ and the
only way to get her hands on the $$$$$$ is get her hands on the
children. She is disgusting and a disgrace to the word Mother, or
what a Mother really is.

I agree that it's going to get real nasty. IMO, she doesn't have a chance in Hades obtaining custody.

The good part is that Kathleen would still have "control" over how the children's needs are taken care of, and in what amount per year, etc., if it's spelled out clearly in the Trust, which I'm sure it is.

No matter what, the best interest of the children will "win out", so I don't think DR has a chance.

[*Serenity*]

http://www.tmz.com/

She didn't want them when the news first broke, and now that she knows she was intentinally left out of the will, and her name in big fat caps... well now she wants the children.. Surprise Surpise...!

http://www.tmz.com/


Rowe says she will seek a restraining order to keep Joe Jackson away from the children.

[missinglink]

Thanks missing.... I would love to change my 'real' name but I think I am too old for that at this stage in life. lol

If one my daughters has another daughter maybe I can convince her to use this name... probably not since she didn't like the names I picked out for any of the others. Funny-- I call one of them by the name I picked out-- for Grammy's nickname for him. :)

That's very sweet!

[who_is_it]

I find the MJ pics (most time with dark sunglasses) TMZ publishes disturbing.

Like said before I'm really angry about the misleading title "Ferrigno -- MJ Used Drug Alias for Crank Calls" which has nothing to do with the nice things said in the interview.

[missinglink]

http://www.tmz.com/

She didn't want them when the news first broke, and now that she knows she was intentinally left out of the will, and her name in big fat caps... well now she wants the children.. Surprise Surpise...!

http://www.tmz.com/

OMG!!! I just saw the quote about the restraining order. Okay, I don't like Joe, but there has to be legal grounds for a restraining order. As far as I know, he's been around them before and she didn't do anything. Spite!

[MoonHarvest]

http://www.tmz.com/

She didn't want them when the news first broke, and now that she knows she was intentinally left out of the will, and her name in big fat caps... well now she wants the children.. Surprise Surpise...!

http://www.tmz.com/

Oh gee, I was ready to write this report off, when I saw it was from TMZ. However, after reading it originally came from NBC perhaps it has some validity.

All I can say is I pray that these children have a good court Judge. I do believe in the end that they will stay with Mrs Jackson.

All I want as a bystander is for those children to have a happy secure life.

[kitty1182]

:)

His Father deserves far more humiliation than what he has received.

IMO

I so agree!!!!!

[vonna]

OMG!!! I just saw the quote about the restraining order. Okay, I don't like Joe, but there has to be legal grounds for a restraining order. As far as I know, he's been around them before and she didn't do anything. Spite!

He didn't hesitate to be cruel to his son for personal gain so what's to prevent him now?

[MoonHarvest]

He didn't hesitate to be cruel to his son for personal gain so what's to prevent him now?


He's 80, you think after a lifetime of opportunities to reflect, that the guy would have learned/changed/made amends.:mad:

[who_is_it]

pics of his last associates:

Randy Phillips
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01366/Randy-Phillips_1366273c.jpg

Frank Dileo (manager)
http://www.mj-united.ch/Medien/Stars_MJ/dileo2.jpg

Kenny Ortega (choreographer)
http://media.photobucket.com/image/kenny%20ortega/vanashbrenique/Wildcats/kenny.jpg

Nice, reasonably and down to earth looking people imo -- all of them.

[boo]

I did hear that she had hired an attny. and that he would be in court today for the hearing.
Why doesn't that surprise me. :rolleyes:

I really don't think she has a chance.

Oh Cinder, usually I agree with you but I think on this one she might have a really good chance. It is my understanding that she was really adamant that she would never "consent to such a thing" when asked how she felt if Katherine were to adopt the children. This was years ago, and I'm not sure why she felt so strong about that, but I suspect she doesn't want those children anywhere near Joe.

When they divorced, she received an 8.5 million dollar settlement, as well as property and large chunks of money along the way. I don't think at this point, she really cares about the money.

I don't know if you're aware of this, but she plunked herself down in Palmdale (of all places) and bought a horse ranch on a modest piece of land. She stated years ago that if Michael died, she would not want the children back, with the contingency that she was sure "he had a wonderful person in mind to take care of them". In that same conversation is when she said that she was "certain" (her word, not mine) that Jackson's parents "would not properly care for the children".

I tried to put myself in her position and it was hard, especially because I am a mommy and I adore my children and can't imagine them in my life. The closest scenario I can come up with is, what if you gave up a baby at 16 for adoption because you weren't the best parent for that baby. Fast forward ten years and you're now 26. You get the call that the adoptive parents were killed in a car accident, leaving your now 10 year old biological child orphaned. Would you now want that child, especially if you were financially able to take care of her/him? I'd have to say for me, yes I would.

I know this is very different than the above scenario, but it's as close as I can get to understanding. I know, too, that she tried to maintain visitation and she found it difficult. Whe had to to thorough lawyers to send birthday balloons one year and she was only able to see the chilren in hotel rooms, surrounded by Jackson's reps.

I make no excuses for what she's done but I can understand her seriously contemplating now, what is in the best interest of the children and it may come down to her or it may come down to not being her. I just hope that whatever she chooses to do, money is not her motive.

MOO (if you get a chance, read todays LA Times, front page).

[MoonHarvest]

As much as I don't care for Debbie Rowe, I really can't blame her for stepping in to keep the children away from Joe Jackson. The only way she can accomplish that is to seek custody.

I don't blame her. one. stinkin. bit.

What a mess!

As much as I would like to see KJ get custody, it DOES scare me that Joe Jackson probably has an incredible amount of influence over her and he will have access to hurt those kids. Mark my words.

Think about it. DR may be an absent mom, but I see no evidence that those kids would suffer abuse in her care. The chances are very high that they could suffer abuse in the care of the Jackson family at the hands of Joe Jackson. I DO NOT want to see those kids suffer like their father did! :mad:

You make a very good point, Mason.

[*Serenity*]

OMG!!! I just saw the quote about the restraining order. Okay, I don't like Joe, but there has to be legal grounds for a restraining order. As far as I know, he's been around them before and she didn't do anything. Spite!

Well- sadly after reading the will yesterday I knew she would be fuming and she will grab on to anything right now to get $$$$$..... forget the best interest of the children, she has the best interest for herself.

She didn't mind handing the children over immediately after birth and accepting big fat checks for her payoff. Nope... she will use Joe, provide DNA, and do anything at this point for her horse ranch and the lifestyle she grew to love, without her children, however NOW she needs them again for financial gain. Don't forget her laywers have $$$$ on their minds as well.

nasty nasty woman -- Debbie Rowe and Joe are a perfect match...imo

[missinglink]

He didn't hesitate to be cruel to his son for personal gain so what's to prevent him now?

I'm just saying there has to be legal grounds for a restraining order.

You can't just simply get a restraining order, before the fact, for "what if he does something in the future".

KWIM?

[kellabeck]

MSNBC is reporting that Debbie Rowe is now saying she wants "her kids."

I think there are two words missing from that thought. Let me reproduce the sentence as I believe it should read:

She wants [money for] her kids. Cross her palm with a hefty check and she'll scuttle off again.

And she has nothing to lose now. Her idol isn't around to get mad at her. Just his family. And if she succeeds, she'll have scored a third pay off.

This was so predictable.

The Jacksons ought to get Grace back into the picture but quick!

[missinglink]

I just hope the court puts huge weight on the childrens' choice. Age of KJ is going to be a big factor and the youngest child is 7 - who would get them after KJ? :(

I have faith that the "children's wishes" will definitely be considered, especially the 2 oldest children.

[annalyzer]

MSNBC is reporting that Debbie Rowe is now saying she wants "her kids."

I think there are two words missing from that thought. Let me reproduce the sentence as I believe it should read:

She wants [money for] her kids. Cross her palm with a hefty check and she'll scuttle off again.

And she has nothing to lose now. Her idol isn't around to get mad at her. Just his family. And if she succeeds, she'll have scored a third pay off.

This was so predictable.

The Jacksons ought to get Grace back into the picture but quick!


I wonder why MJ completely cut her off in his will? Was there bad feelings between the two that I never heard about?

[*Serenity*]

I just hope the court puts huge weight on the childrens' choice. Age of KJ is going to be a big factor and the youngest child is 7 - who would get them after KJ? :(

Diana Ross and from I have read about she raised wonderful children.
However-- my main concern for the 3-children is seperating them-- they are brothers and sister and have grown together. It would be devasting for them to be seperated, not counting their already broken hearts over losing Daddy. Debbie Rowe can't touch little Blanket..!

[missinglink]

MSNBC is reporting that Debbie Rowe is now saying she wants "her kids."

I think there are two words missing from that thought. Let me reproduce the sentence as I believe it should read:

She wants [money for] her kids. Cross her palm with a hefty check and she'll scuttle off again.

And she has nothing to lose now. Her idol isn't around to get mad at her. Just his family. And if she succeeds, she'll have scored a third pay off.

This was so predictable.

The Jacksons ought to get Grace back into the picture but quick!

Ditto, especially your last sentence.

[who_is_it]

<snipped>
As much as I would like to see KJ get custody, it DOES scare me that Joe Jackson probably has an incredible amount of influence over her and he will have access to hurt those kids. Mark my words.

:mad:

My feeling is he won't live too long anymore; he's more bitter than ever now... and this feeling of bitterness will poison the rest of his life. I also already thought he is at risk of an assination if the funeral is public.

Superstardome has always been a magnet for craziness, for example the crazy woman who claimed she's the mother of his kids or the hoax in Jordan Chandler's name.

[who_is_it]

I wonder why MJ completely cut her off in his will? Was there bad feelings between the two that I never heard about?

A-l-l friends are cut off.

[kellabeck]

I wonder why MJ completely cut her off in his will? Was there bad feelings between the two that I never heard about?

He had paid her off. In his mind perhaps, case closed.

[missinglink]

Diana Ross and from I have read about she raised wonderful children.
However-- my main concern for the 3-children is seperating them-- they are brothers and sister and have grown together. It would be devasting for them to be seperated, not counting their already broken hearts over losing Daddy. Debbie Rowe can't touch little Blanket..!

That's right. She can't touch Blanket.

And, probate is going to be tied up forever and a day. The children are more or less entitled to continue their "standard of living". She couldn't even provide the necessary security for them, at this point. No money will be coming forward from the Will/Trust for a long time.

[who_is_it]

There was the rumor Dr. Klein is the biological father of his kids. Usually I don't give much on rumors like that one... but one thing I'm pretty sure of: Dr. Klein played a very important role in Michael's life... and probably also death (imo).

[GentleBreeze]

Joe is a jerk but I also don't think he will hurt those children. He has over 10 grandchildren now -- some grown or almost grown. I think if Joe hurt any of his grandchildren the boys now would kick his a**. JMO

I think after the final services are over Katherine will tell Joe to get packing back to Las Vegas.

I don't think his grands will be around him much.

imo

[missinglink]

I'm just waiting for the first nut to come along and says she is pregnant with Michael's baby now.

[annalyzer]

He had paid her off. In his mind perhaps, case closed.


Anyone know the grand total DR was paid for giving MJ two children?

[kellabeck]

I think Katherine has a lot of ammo v. Debbie Rowe, including all her statements about how the children were gifts and that she had no interest in them. Her lack of contact with them plus the fact that the youngest has no connection to her and I think the judge will want and should want to keep these kids together.

That said, I predict that she doesn't really want them and they will want to avoid a custody trial, and therefore it's in both sides' interest to just settle.

Write a fat check and she'll go away. JMO.

[MoonHarvest]

Here's what I'm thinking: we don't know the inside dynamics of the Jackson family. Only what is portrayed/reported in the news. I do think that Mike Jackson loved his three children from the bottom of his heart. It appears that he felt comfortable leaving them in the care of his mother, regardless of Joe.

[kellabeck]

I'm just waiting for the first nut to come along and says she is pregnant with Michael's baby now.

Yeah, because Jackson was such a ladies' man!

The rumors are that she got a $5 million settlement last go round. And that was on top of the initial payments for the two births.

[VC2]

HLN about to show a video of MJ rehearsing just before his death after commercial

[*Serenity*]

True - Can you imagine if the court finds none of them acceptable? DCFS still has to conduct a home study of all parties involved.


Nasty- nasty stuff coming down the pike and truly sad for the children. The only life they have known is with Michael and each other. They have lost their Father, their surroundings, and getting ready to face a funeral. Geeze...



The news coverage has been very cruel for their sakes as well, all the 'who's your daddy' reporting.
I'm sure they were sheltered from it but they will eventually learn
about it when they get older-- when they are old enough to search all the information during their father's death.

[GentleBreeze]

I wonder why MJ completely cut her off in his will? Was there bad feelings between the two that I never heard about?

I think he knew he had given her the millions that she wanted to carry the children and she wasn't getting one cent more. I think he knew if something happened to him she would try to milk this cash cow.

I am so glad that the lawyer and MJ were astute enough in the Will. If one doesn't want someone to inherit a dime of their estate they just cant omit their name.... they have to list that they are omitting this person intentionally. These kind of Wills are becoming more and more commonplace when parents are disinheriting some of their children from their Wills.

imo

[missinglink]

I think Katherine has a lot of ammo v. Debbie Rowe, including all her statements about how the children were gifts and that she had no interest in them. Her lack of contact with them plus the fact that the youngest has no connection to her and I think the judge will want and should want to keep these kids together.

That said, I predict that she doesn't really want them and they will want to avoid a custody trial, and therefore it's in both sides' interest to just settle.

Write a fat check and she'll go away. JMO.

That's right. Write on last final check to her. But they have to be careful as to not look like a bribe, or everyone's gonna be in hot water.

[MoonHarvest]

My feeling is he won't live too long anymore; he's more bitter than ever now... and this feeling of bitterness will poison the rest of his life. I also already thought he is at risk of an assination if the funeral is public.

Superstardome has always been a magnet for craziness, for example the crazy woman who claimed she's the mother of his kids or the hoax in Jordan Chandler's name.

Assassinated, oh my.

[*Serenity*]

I think after the final services are over Katherine will tell Joe to get packing back to Las Vegas.

I don't think his grands will be around him much.

imo

He should have stayed in Vegas-- seems all he can manage to do is create additinal family dysfunction with his greedy hands out.

[emdragon]

Joe is a jerk but I also don't think he will hurt those children. He has over 10 grandchildren now -- some grown or almost grown. I think if Joe hurt any of his grandchildren the boys now would kick his a**. JMO

Maybe he wouldn't hurt them physically but he will exploit them beyond belief- count on it.

[boo]

hahaha.. oops, I was typing so fast and I didn't check my mistakes. Forget my spelling errors, I actually made it sound like I don't HAVE my children (I do).

Note to self - proof before posting.

[annalyzer]

Yeah, because Jackson was such a ladies' man!

The rumors are that she got a $5 million settlement last go round. And that was on top of the initial payments for the two births.

Does anyone know who the last woman was that MJ dated?

A five million dollar settlement? Do you know how much she received for payment for the two births?

[GentleBreeze]

Nasty- nasty stuff coming down the pike and truly sad for the children. The only life they have known is with Michael and each other. They have lost their Father, their surroundings, and getting ready to face a funeral. Geeze...



The news coverage has been very cruel for their sakes as well, all the 'who's your daddy' reporting.
I'm sure they were sheltered from it but they will eventually learn
about it when they get older-- when they are old enough to search all the information during their father's death.

It just burns me up. The media doesn't care one whit about these children. None of them even when they say "these poor children.":rolleyes: Baloney, they love strewing across the world that MJ wasn't their biological father as if that should mean something bad.

They sickening me. They disgust me at how cruel and unfeeling they are for these children. Why don't they go to these three children and ask them "WHO IS YOUR DADDY????" I am positive they would proudly say" Michael Jackson is our daddy!"

JVM and NG are the worst imo.

imo

[vonna]

That's right. She can't touch Blanket.

And, probate is going to be tied up forever and a day. The children are more or less entitled to continue their "standard of living". She couldn't even provide the necessary security for them, at this point. No money will be coming forward from the Will/Trust for a long time.

She was granted limited access to funds.

[kitty1182]

Here's what I'm thinking: we don't know the inside dynamics of the Jackson family. Only what is portrayed/reported in the news. I do think that Mike Jackson loved his three children from the bottom of his heart. It appears that he felt comfortable leaving them in the care of his mother, regardless of Joe.

I think he loved them dearly...He knew at least there were 3 in his life who loved him for who he was, not for $$$$$$$..

[who_is_it]

Lou Ferrigno on training with Michael Jackson and a similar childhood / dominant father

AP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEtrfhBoqBI

[Pretty Leaf]

Anyone hear last night on one of the shows ( I watch so many so I don't know which one) that MJ left 3 nephews an inheritance and the other 20 neices and nephews will be put out?

[annalyzer]

Does anyone know who the last woman was that MJ dated?

A five million dollar settlement? Do you know how much she received for payment for the two births?


Found this.

The Secret Girlfriend

According to MJ's bodyguard, Matt Fiddes, the singer had a long-term secret girlfriend. He said that there was "someone special" in Jackson's life, but refused to identify the woman.

He continued:

“I’m not going to name who she is but I think the family were aware that there was someone special in his life who he loved and adored and had his ups and downs with.

“I don’t know how long they’ve been a couple. I know she’s been with him for some time in different capacities but...it’s up to her if she wants it to come out or the family to speak about this very private information.”

http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/10529

[*Serenity*]

**faint** and **faint** and triple ***faint***

IF THIS TWITTER IS TRUE.... all I can say is the MJ haters forge ahead in his death. I was just twittering and the newest rumor is
GLORIA ALLREAD is Debbie's attorney.

[missinglink]

She was granted limited access to funds.

What are you talking about? I'm not talking about money already given to her or her limited access to funds. I'm talking about the probate funds.

[lilismom]

That's right. Write on last final check to her. But they have to be careful as to not look like a bribe, or everyone's gonna be in hot water.



Maybe there is a provision in the Trust documents for one last and final payment to her. One last "gift". I think the people in charge and that drew up these documents knew full well what to expect in the event of Michael's death and the papers were drafted accordingly. But, I guess we'll see.

Maybe she does have the kids' best interest at heart? Maybe it is just one last money grab? Why not stay in their life then in some way over these years if she is truly concerned about them being in the company of Father Joe upon Michael's death. "Aunt Debbie"?

IMO -she's just pi$$ed that she was CUT OUT. After all, "she bore him two children". Can ya hear it now?

Serenity - when I was pg. with my daughter I went thru a list of names - my mom picked the one she liked best and said "you name her whatever you want, I'm gonna call her ____." Guess what her name is? Yep, _____. LOL!

IMO,
Lilismom

[who_is_it]

CNN is showing video from last rehearsal. OMG -- MJ dancing great

Oh myyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy, I would like to watch... but I'm sure it'll be on youtube soon.

Which song?

Who do you think has sold the rights to CNN? Katherine or Branca? I've read Katherine is still in charge of all business affairs and that there's another hearing on Monday. But I could be wrong.

[VC2]

Well I certainly would not attack you -- and here is my post re: this issue



Just to name a couple: With HL's, ANS, and now MJ's death due to irresponsible, greedy doctors providing unlimited prescriptions for drugs -- maybe their deaths will not have been in vain if Doctors are charged with manslaughter and pharmacies are closed down for filling illegal prescriptions. The drugs prescribed are all addictive too!

This is horrific and they are no better than pushers who sell illegal drugs IMO.

While I know the person abusing the drugs may be wrong -- they are sick; they have an addiction and instead of the Doctors treating them for the addiction; or convincing them to go into rehab to be treated they continue feeding them with drugs and this NEEDS TO STOP! This does not just happen to celebrities just more illegal activity is allowed for them; but it happens to anyone who needs a prescription drug for pain or depression as the drugs are addictive. Put them in jail with the street pushers. JMO

And then Athena you have the real conundrums that occur, MJ is an example of that in part. When a patient has real chronic pain AND becomes an addict to the pain killers. What do you do when they have a real pain time? I know from just a very small experience with back pain, that its excruciating, beyond hell. I was on narcotics for it, lasted a week, then i was better then i had another episode. I swear i would have killed myself rather than live in that sort of pain so it was a good thing that after the 2nd time it never returned. you can't even breathe without it hurting let alone move. Mine was just one of those wrenched it out of place sorts not even a slipped disk or broken vertebra

So what do you do? Is a doctor negligent for prescribing the narcotic knowing the patient is an addict but also knowing they need the medication? of course if he is an addict he probably needs a high dose because of tolerance to narcotics or something that works on different receptors..example morphine vs fentanyl. both of which are addictive but one will work at a normal dose while the other won't bc of tolerance.

We all know that MJ at the least had chronic back pain and if he had lupus as well that also can cause periods of extreme pain when there is an outbreak. Obviously multiple prescriptions etc are bad news, but when does a doctor draw the line. I have always felt deal with the pain first, the addiction second. I get furious when i hear about cancer patients whose parents or family are worried they will become addicted to needed pain killers..well uhhh better than in agony from something that he needs every ounce of strength to fight.

IMO

eta, digitilizing health care records WILL help a lot because then physicians state wide can see what has been prescribed, what allergies are and all sorts of things in an emergency when the patient can't talk as well as tell who is doctor shopping as opposed to needing the medication

[SDMermaid]

What does everyone think of this

http://www.usmagazine.com/news/quincy-jones-michael-jackson-didnt-want-to-be-black-200927

[lilismom]

AEG - gave them a copy. They own it - from his upcoming tour.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/showbiz/2009/07/02/vo.aeg.jackson.rehearsal.cnn

Watching it now....so sad :(.


IMO,
Lilismom

[*Serenity*]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO (but not surprised). She always did want to take these children from MJ now she'll try to do it in his death :(


Oh my thoughts exactly when I was reading twitter... sometimes the messages get so backlogged and trying to keep up.

Yea.. the MJ haters are still on board in his death... Gloria wanted his children removed while living and to no avail... so now with him dead she knew exactly who to call to sink her teeth into... Debbie Rowe.
You know Gloria called her....!!! I just know it... it's just so obvious.

[KatieLady]

They Don't Really Care About Us

They only played like 5 minutes -- but MJ looked good and don't 4get this was a rehearsal.

They are going to try to play it again. Doubt it will be on youtube -- CNN Exclusive

he didn't look like 112 lbs to me. I thought he looked good

[boo]

What does everyone this of this

http://www.usmagazine.com/news/quincy-jones-michael-jackson-didnt-want-to-be-black-200927

I think Quincy Jones is a very smart man and was a good friend to MJ. I read somewhere yesterday that at one time, Quincy Jones advised a record producer to have good lawyers on hand if he planned on working with Michael. Don't know what's behind that, but thought it was interesting.

[who_is_it]

They Don't Really Care About Us

They only played like 5 minutes -- but MJ looked good and don't 4get this was a rehearsal.

They are going to try to play it again. Doubt it will be on youtube -- CNN Exclusive

Thanx for the info. I don't get over it that he was prepared and determined to do the concerts but had to die shortly before his wish came true. If he only could have done at least one show! It's still makes me so sad.

[VC2]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO (but not surprised). She always did want to take these children from MJ now she'll try to do it in his death :(

OMG. i wondered when i saw on her JVM the other night..omg. what a ... CW may need to make a thread about her but then i still cant say what i am thinking of her.

[SDMermaid]

I watched the video and the way people were talking about it I don't see much dancing on his part. I would like to see if he still had "it" like everyone was talking about. Just like Britney Spears she's hasn't proven she is back her dancing is nothing like it was 5 yrs ago. If it comes out to be true that he died for taking the meds that put you to sleep then he must have been really stressed out about this tour to not be able to sleep at night.


http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/showbiz/2009/07/02/vo.aeg.jackson.rehearsal.cnn

Watching it now....so sad :(.


IMO,
Lilismom

[VC2]

They Don't Really Care About Us

They only played like 5 minutes -- but MJ looked good and don't 4get this was a rehearsal.

They are going to try to play it again. Doubt it will be on youtube -- CNN Exclusive

it was great! Courtesy of AEG. there is no way he was "sickly and frail". May not have been incredibly strong, may have been thin and had some issues but he was far better than he had been.

[lilismom]

I watched the video and the way people were talking about it I don't see much dancing on his part. I would like to see if he still had "it" like everyone was talking about. Just like Britney Spears she's hasn't proven she is back her dancing is nothing like it was 5 yrs ago.


I think Michael will always have "it".

IMO,
Lilismom

[SDMermaid]

I hope they show more video of him dancing because I would like to see if the old MJ came back.


I think Michael will always have "it".

IMO,
Lilismom

[PBJMOM4]

I hope they show more video of him dancing because I would like to see if the old MJ came back.

Here it is, hope it ok to link this here.
http://perezhilton.com/2009-07-02-michael-jacksons-last-footage-ever

[*Serenity*]

Don't doubt it for a second that Gloria contacted her. :cursing:

Check this out:

http://www.momlogic.com/2009/06/gloria_allred_michael_jackson.php


Yea... she has been after him for a very long time.... she states opinion as fact in many instances. I have never cared for GA since the SP trial. Not because of SP or AF... it has always been her snarky ways that I find distasteful. She is another one that runs with the ratpack... they are a tight group and throw out disgusting pieces of information to the public that is simply not true.

NG DD GR KGN LB and now GA

[Unperson1984]

Okay, so 40% goes to his mom, 40% to his children, and 20% to charities.

It says upon the death of his mom, whatever is remaining of her 40% share, goes to his children.

Thanks!

If anything remains of her share. She could simply transfer money to Joe and the other kids during her lifetime.

[vonna]

**faint** and **faint** and triple ***faint***

IF THIS TWITTER IS TRUE.... all I can say is the MJ haters forge ahead in his death. I was just twittering and the newest rumor is
GLORIA ALLREAD is Debbie's attorney.

Whenever there is a sensational happening Gloria is never far behind. She never saw a camera or a microphone she didn't like.

[missinglink]

If anything remains of her share. She could simply transfer money to Joe and the other kids during her lifetime.

Exactly.

Personally, I feel like he left it to her to do whatever she wanted to with her share, and that's her right. He adored his mom, imo.

[VC2]

And that's where I think it should be. I can't see where Kathleen would need 40% though. I would have left most to the children, not equal shares, mother vs. 3 children at 40% each. But, that's me. LOL! JMO.

depends on how it is set up.

MJ has been paying for his moms house and i imagine expenses already so that would have to continue.

If the 40% for the kids are left in trust until their majority (hopefully growing with the right business decisions by the executors) and under the main trust the directions are 40% to Katherine to be used for her AND the children's upbringing, housing etc. then it makes perfect sense.

IMO

[Unperson1984]

Sounds like his main focus was his children.

Not really, the kids receive less than half of his Estate. That surprises me.

ETA...thats only 13% for each child.

[missinglink]

Whenever there is a sensational happening Gloria is never far behind. She never saw a camera or a microphone she didn't like.

I agree with you completely.

[MoonHarvest]

Here it is, hope it ok to link this here.
http://perezhilton.com/2009-07-02-michael-jacksons-last-footage-ever


Michael, come back..please.

If only ...:sad::sad:

[VC2]

I just received a breaking news alert stating that Debbie Rowe wants custody of her two children. That's what I call a burst of mother love now that money is involved.

You notice it is AFTER the will was revealed and some of the basic trust info?

IMO

[who_is_it]

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/showbiz/2009/07/02/vo.aeg.jackson.rehearsal.cnn

Watching it now....so sad :(.


IMO,
Lilismom

Thank you, thank you so much!!! Couldn't have watched it without your link...

:rose:

OMG!!! So much the old Michael Jackson..., so energetic. Can't believe that he died one day later!

It's true what his team and everybody else who watched the last rehearsals said: He was ready to take the world back. It would have been the biggest comeback ever... and he would have been bigger than ever before.

I'm crying now..., actually don't even like this song... but it's so sad to see him like this.

[Firehead11]

He sounded like himself. I want to see the whole thing but the little I saw of it he looked good.

Didn't he look good? And he had the moves, especially since this was a rehearsal. If/when they released the entire video of this, it will make money.

[VC2]

I read earlier that she had lawyered up and would be in court on Monday along with everyone else! Going to get real 'nasty'.
She doesn't want the children-- she wants the $$$$$$$ and the
only way to get her hands on the $$$$$$ is get her hands on the
children. She is disgusting and a disgrace to the word Mother, or
what a Mother really is.

ITA!

hey I am still trying to figure out all the happenings today, serenity could you do one of your great summaries ala kangaroos? Being at the vet all morning i feel half lost

LOL i am going to call the ppl taking me to my parents cottage to pick up a couch that any day but tuesday!

[*Serenity*]

Not really, the kids receive less than half of his Estate. That surprises me.

ETA...thats only 13% for each child.
We still don't/won't know the nitty gritty details outlined in the trust of their additional future earnings or assest.

[MoonHarvest]

I think Quincy Jones is a very smart man and was a good friend to MJ. I read somewhere yesterday that at one time, Quincy Jones advised a record producer to have good lawyers on hand if he planned on working with Michael. Don't know what's behind that, but thought it was interesting.


"If you start thinking about darkness instead of light, or fear instead of love, you'll get in trouble. I really believe that."

Good quote.

[missinglink]

Not really, the kids receive less than half of his Estate. That surprises me.

ETA...thats only 13% for each child.

That's what I was saying earlier. I was surprised at the way it was divided.

Of course, maybe that's not even true. I can't imagine the Executors to be flashing around the % amounts. I doubt anyone will ever truly know what's in that Trust. The only way I can see it coming forward is through it being contested in Court, and then the Trust has to be filed as being contested, and then it only becomes a possibility.

Or...if someone gets their hands on it, or a copy, and brings it forward.

[Firehead11]

The children receive 40% of his estate PLUS the recordings that he left for them. It is rumored that there are 100-200 songs for the children and ONLY the children.

Also it is being said that the trust left to Katherine will be just the interest that is earned on the principal. The principal cannot be touched but that is only speculation right now.

[*Serenity*]

ITA!

hey I am still trying to figure out all the happenings today, serenity could you do one of your great summaries ala kangaroos? Being at the vet all morning i feel half lost

LOL i am going to call the ppl taking me to my parents cottage to pick up a couch that any day but tuesday!


Hi VC....

okay for today's lineup we have:

Funeral to be Tuesday the 7th @ 10:00 am for family friends privately @ Forest Lawn and then following their will be a motorcade to Staples.

Staples will be charging $25 admission fee and more than likely parking fees PLUS all of the t-shirts for the This Is It concert will be on sale as well.

Debbie Rowe is rushing to start custody battle for the children and twitter rumor has that Gloria Alread his her attorney.

Jermain Jackson provided a heartfelt public statement about Michael and he wishes it would have been him instead.

Rumor about the incredible hulk guy stating Michael use to prank call him with the name Omar, which happens to be one of the stated alias names for the prescription drugs.

DEA is still investigating ... nothing new yet...

Last video clip of Michael alive at rehersal was released and additional footage to be released as well. Per AEG.... they aren't going to wait.

Last night it was reported Katherine knew about the will and did not report that to the courts-- Michaels lawyer referred that to her racing to the courthouse and obtaining control over $2,000 items at Neverland.

Possible burial for Michael at Neverland at a later date... it takes 30 days to obtain approval for that, so for now he is suppose to go to Forest Lawn.

I think this covers the nitty gritty so far.... and hey it's still early.

[Firehead11]

I hope any judge keeps those children either with Katherine until everything is out about how Michael died. There are just too many loose ends here. If this was not Jackson's sperm then who's was it? Rowe's employer? You know that dermatogologist that the police are checking into his prescribing habits to Jackson. :sneaky:

[missinglink]

Hi VC....

okay for today's lineup we have:

Funeral to be Tuesday the 7th @ 10:00 am for family friends privately @ Forest Lawn and then following their will be a motorcade to Staples.

Staples will be charging $25 admission fee and more than likely parking fees PLUS all of the t-shirts for the This Is It concert will be on sale as well.

Debbie Rowe is rushing to start custody battle for the children and twitter rumor has that Gloria Alread his her attorney.

Jermain Jackson provided a heartfelt public statement about Michael and he wishes it would have been him instead.

Rumor about the incredible hulk guy stating Michael use to prank call him with the name Omar, which happens to be one of the stated alias names for the prescription drugs.

DEA is still investigating ... nothing new yet...

Last video clip of Michael alive at rehersal was released and additional footage to be released as well. Per AEG.... they aren't going to wait.

Last night it was reported Katherine knew about the will and did not report that to the courts-- Michaels lawyer referred that to her racing to the courthouse and obtaining control over $2,000 items at Neverland.

Possible burial for Michael at Neverland at a later date... it takes 30 days to obtain approval for that, so for now he is suppose to go to Forest Lawn.

I think this covers the nitty gritty so far.... and hey it's still early.

And don't forget that in an earlier thread today, it was said that "Bubbles" had gained considerable weight.

[missinglink]

It's kinda funny that Joe hasn't been seen lately. I'm sure he didn't like it that there's a Will now.

[Firehead11]

Oh so those must be the unreleased songs. I thought SONY owned some of those??

Not that I know of.

http://gossiprex.com/michael-jackson-had-over-100-unreleased-songs

[*Serenity*]

Oh so those must be the unreleased songs. I thought SONY owned some of those??


I heard Sony has material in a vault but at the same time it is being reported that it is unknown who has the rights, which would be in Michaels will and trust.


http://www.vh1.com/artists/news/1615178/20090702/jackson_michael.jhtml?rsspartner=rssYahooNewscrawl er

[*Serenity*]

Kids don't look like him or Rowe and that is a rumor being spread by none other than DD. Dermatologist won't even comment so this is merely speculation because she worked for him. :shrug:

You know what burns me Athena?

Part of her and Michael's agreement was to keep things confidential about the children, and now that he is dead she runs out on a whim and starts blabbering things that she agreed to keep between them.
Exactly why Michael didn't trust her in the first place. She is not a good a woman in my and, for more reasons than this recent debacle of custody.

[*Serenity*]

And don't forget that in an earlier thread today, it was said that "Bubbles" had gained considerable weight.


Oh my... this literally made me laugh out loud....!!

Thanks for the giggles...

Let's add that to the list okay.. :)

[Unperson1984]

What does everyone think of this

http://www.usmagazine.com/news/quincy-jones-michael-jackson-didnt-want-to-be-black-200927


I looked through all the pictures of the kids and it is obvious that they are not half African-American. It's also obvious the Rowe is their mother, they both have her prominent jaw-line.

I have to ask a question, should the children be raised in a completely African-American environment? At some point they will live in the real world and not in the cocoon of security they've been raise in up to now.

Would it be wrong for Rowe to want them to know the other part of their heritage?

[*Serenity*]

It's kinda funny that Joe hasn't been seen lately. I'm sure he didn't like it that there's a Will now.


:)

Papa Joe Is Layin' Low....





lol

me thinks he is thinkin about ways to get his paws on some dough

[Unperson1984]

You know what burns me Athena?

Part of her and Michael's agreement was to keep things confidential about the children, and now that he is dead she runs out on a whim and starts blabbering things that she agreed to keep between them.
Exactly why Michael didn't trust her in the first place. She is not a good a woman in my and, for more reasons than this recent debacle of custody.

Maybe she'll be ordered to pay child support. That would be justice.

[lilismom]

You know what burns me Athena?

Part of her and Michael's agreement was to keep things confidential about the children, and now that he is dead she runs out on a whim and starts blabbering things that she agreed to keep between them.
Exactly why Michael didn't trust her in the first place. She is not a good a woman in my and, for more reasons than this recent debacle of custody.

And who in their right mind believes that this custody "dispute" is anything more than about the money? If it was about the kids' best interest, why not wait and see how things shake out once he is BURIED for the love of all things good in the world! Wait to see of Joe goes back to Vegas etc. IFIFIF that is what she's really worried about. Hmmmm?

IMO,
Lilismom

[Firehead11]

I just posted above -- Lily Rosen says they are his - owned by his company called Mijack (sp)

I also read yesterday that SONY also has unreleased songs but are these different ones? I'll find that link.

ETA: Michael Jackson Left 'Dozens' Of Unreleased Songs, Tommy Mottola Says
'There's just some genius and brilliance in there,' former Sony Music CEO says of recordings.

By Gil Kaufman


http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1615178/20090702/jackson_michael.jhtml

Who is Rosen?

[vonna]

I looked through all the pictures of the kids and it is obvious that they are not half African-American. It's also obvious the Rowe is their mother, they both have her prominent jaw-line.

I have to ask a question, should the children be raised in a completely African-American environment? At some point they will live in the real world and not in the cocoon of security they've been raise in up to now.

Would it be wrong for Rowe to want them to know the other part of their heritage?

Everything that woman has done has been for money. She gives not a fig for heritage.

[CinderL.]

Oh Cinder, usually I agree with you but I think on this one she might have a really good chance. It is my understanding that she was really adamant that she would never "consent to such a thing" when asked how she felt if Katherine were to adopt the children. This was years ago, and I'm not sure why she felt so strong about that, but I suspect she doesn't want those children anywhere near Joe.

When they divorced, she received an 8.5 million dollar settlement, as well as property and large chunks of money along the way. I don't think at this point, she really cares about the money.

I don't know if you're aware of this, but she plunked herself down in Palmdale (of all places) and bought a horse ranch on a modest piece of land. She stated years ago that if Michael died, she would not want the children back, with the contingency that she was sure "he had a wonderful person in mind to take care of them". In that same conversation is when she said that she was "certain" (her word, not mine) that Jackson's parents "would not properly care for the children".

I tried to put myself in her position and it was hard, especially because I am a mommy and I adore my children and can't imagine them in my life. The closest scenario I can come up with is, what if you gave up a baby at 16 for adoption because you weren't the best parent for that baby. Fast forward ten years and you're now 26. You get the call that the adoptive parents were killed in a car accident, leaving your now 10 year old biological child orphaned. Would you now want that child, especially if you were financially able to take care of her/him? I'd have to say for me, yes I would.

I know this is very different than the above scenario, but it's as close as I can get to understanding. I know, too, that she tried to maintain visitation and she found it difficult. Whe had to to thorough lawyers to send birthday balloons one year and she was only able to see the chilren in hotel rooms, surrounded by Jackson's reps.

I make no excuses for what she's done but I can understand her seriously contemplating now, what is in the best interest of the children and it may come down to her or it may come down to not being her. I just hope that whatever she chooses to do, money is not her motive.

MOO (if you get a chance, read todays LA Times, front page).

Hi Boo, You make some really good points. And I do think it is very possible that she has a very good chance to get her kids. The three things I think going against her are.....she pretty much gave them up for cash.....second, she has been on tv very recently saying she would not want the kids, and third, is splitting up the three kids. It could sure get ugly, but we all kind of knew that all of this would be bad.

[Unperson1984]

The children receive 40% of his estate PLUS the recordings that he left for them. It is rumored that there are 100-200 songs for the children and ONLY the children.

Also it is being said that the trust left to Katherine will be just the interest that is earned on the principal. The principal cannot be touched but that is only speculation right now.

The reality is that none of us knows the terms of the trust.

:shrug:

[lilismom]

:)

Papa Joe Is Layin' Low....





lol

me thinks he is thinkin about ways to get his paws on some dough

cause he ain't just gonna go with the flow....that's for sho!

IMO,
Lilismom

[vonna]

They are Michael's kids, what's your point?:wink:


My point was made in my post. Suggest you read it again.

[Firehead11]

The reality is that none of us knows the terms of the trust.

:shrug:


I said that. The principal cannot be touched but that is only speculation right now.

[My Gal Sal]

I read earlier that she had lawyered up and would be in court on Monday along with everyone else! Going to get real 'nasty'.
She doesn't want the children-- she wants the $$$$$$$ and the
only way to get her hands on the $$$$$$ is get her hands on the
children. She is disgusting and a disgrace to the word Mother, or
what a Mother really is.

I mostly agree with the fact that D Rowe may be in it for the money. However, there is a part of me that thinks she knows the Jackson family dynamics and may actually be concerned for the children.

I'm not sure how they could break up the kids... It would be devastating for them..... Therefore, I am for a solution that will keep all 3 together.

[aproudmom]

CNN is showing video from last rehearsal. OMG -- MJ dancing great

O crap I missed it if CNN is showing it I would think it would be on again..so this was the one the night before he passed away.???I thought he looked good in the pictures I saw..

BTW don't forget LKL is at Neverland tonight at 9 just in case anyone did not know

[GentleBreeze]

he didn't look like 112 lbs to me. I thought he looked good

He looked great no matter what his weight was. Very smooth.

imo

[Unperson1984]

depends on how it is set up.

MJ has been paying for his moms house and i imagine expenses already so that would have to continue.

If the 40% for the kids are left in trust until their majority (hopefully growing with the right business decisions by the executors) and under the main trust the directions are 40% to Katherine to be used for her AND the children's upbringing, housing etc. then it makes perfect sense.

IMO

She will receive money to pay for their expenses. Room and board, education and clothing will be covered by the children's share of the Estate.

[Firehead11]

Oh I forgot - some executive in the music industry - but they've been interviewing her since MJ's death re: his music. I'll see if I can find out. LOL But she said the collection was in MJ's "vault".

So why does she think those songs belong to her and not his children? Or am I confused?

[VC2]

Hi VC....

okay for today's lineup we have:

Funeral to be Tuesday the 7th @ 10:00 am for family friends privately @ Forest Lawn and then following their will be a motorcade to Staples.

Staples will be charging $25 admission fee and more than likely parking fees PLUS all of the t-shirts for the This Is It concert will be on sale as well.

Debbie Rowe is rushing to start custody battle for the children and twitter rumor has that Gloria Alread his her attorney.

Jermain Jackson provided a heartfelt public statement about Michael and he wishes it would have been him instead.

Rumor about the incredible hulk guy stating Michael use to prank call him with the name Omar, which happens to be one of the stated alias names for the prescription drugs.

DEA is still investigating ... nothing new yet...

Last video clip of Michael alive at rehersal was released and additional footage to be released as well. Per AEG.... they aren't going to wait.

Last night it was reported Katherine knew about the will and did not report that to the courts-- Michaels lawyer referred that to her racing to the courthouse and obtaining control over $2,000 items at Neverland.

Possible burial for Michael at Neverland at a later date... it takes 30 days to obtain approval for that, so for now he is suppose to go to Forest Lawn.

I think this covers the nitty gritty so far.... and hey it's still early.
\
thanks serenity! there were a couple of things i missed so much appreciated

[*Serenity*]

I looked through all the pictures of the kids and it is obvious that they are not half African-American. It's also obvious the Rowe is their mother, they both have her prominent jaw-line.

I have to ask a question, should the children be raised in a completely African-American environment? At some point they will live in the real world and not in the cocoon of security they've been raise in up to now.

Would it be wrong for Rowe to want them to know the other part of their heritage?

Did you see the photo posted here yesterday of a set of twins, one was completely dark skin and the other 100% white? I think it is difficult to know their real blood line without the real father's dna.
If Debbie was just the surrogate then we also need to know the real mother's dna.

I think the children will need security for a very long time, simply due to the fact that they ARE Michael Jackson's children... that will never leave them.

[*Serenity*]

\
thanks serenity! there were a couple of things i missed so much appreciated


missing also reminded me to add that bubbles has gained a considerable amount of weight....

what a hoot....
the link about bubbles is posted <------- way back on the thread

[lilismom]

I mostly agree with the fact that D Rowe may be in it for the money. However, there is a part of me that thinks she knows the Jackson family dynamics and may actually be concerned for the children.

I'm not sure how they could break up the kids... It would be devastating for them..... Therefore, I am for a solution that will keep all 3 together.

I wonder though. You and I have concern for those kids as well. Do we have just as much standing to go to court and fight for them as she does?

IMO,
Lilismom

[Unperson1984]

I heard Sony has material in a vault but at the same time it is being reported that it is unknown who has the rights, which would be in Michaels will and trust.


http://www.vh1.com/artists/news/1615178/20090702/jackson_michael.jhtml?rsspartner=rssYahooNewscrawl er

The Will clearly states that everything goes into the trust, and no mention of anything held separate from the trust.

[CinderL.]

**faint** and **faint** and triple ***faint***

IF THIS TWITTER IS TRUE.... all I can say is the MJ haters forge ahead in his death. I was just twittering and the newest rumor is
GLORIA ALLREAD is Debbie's attorney.

OMG if true.......didn't I tell you. :laugh::laugh: I said we have Jesse J. Al, and all that was needed now was G.L.O.R.I.A. I bet the ambulance chaser was on the phone the minute she heard he had died.

[Firehead11]

Originally Posted by boo
Oh Cinder, usually I agree with you but I think on this one she might have a really good chance. It is my understanding that she was really adamant that she would never "consent to such a thing" when asked how she felt if Katherine were to adopt the children. This was years ago, and I'm not sure why she felt so strong about that, but I suspect she doesn't want those children anywhere near Joe.

When they divorced, she received an 8.5 million dollar settlement, as well as property and large chunks of money along the way. I don't think at this point, she really cares about the money.

I don't know if you're aware of this, but she plunked herself down in Palmdale (of all places) and bought a horse ranch on a modest piece of land. She stated years ago that if Michael died, she would not want the children back, with the contingency that she was sure "he had a wonderful person in mind to take care of them". In that same conversation is when she said that she was "certain" (her word, not mine) that Jackson's parents "would not properly care for the children".

I tried to put myself in her position and it was hard, especially because I am a mommy and I adore my children and can't imagine them in my life. The closest scenario I can come up with is, what if you gave up a baby at 16 for adoption because you weren't the best parent for that baby. Fast forward ten years and you're now 26. You get the call that the adoptive parents were killed in a car accident, leaving your now 10 year old biological child orphaned. Would you now want that child, especially if you were financially able to take care of her/him? I'd have to say for me, yes I would.

I know this is very different than the above scenario, but it's as close as I can get to understanding. I know, too, that she tried to maintain visitation and she found it difficult. Whe had to to thorough lawyers to send birthday balloons one year and she was only able to see the chilren in hotel rooms, surrounded by Jackson's reps.

I make no excuses for what she's done but I can understand her seriously contemplating now, what is in the best interest of the children and it may come down to her or it may come down to not being her. I just hope that whatever she chooses to do, money is not her motive.

MOO (if you get a chance, read todays LA Times, front page).

You would not get that call from an adoption agency because you gave up that right. The family of the adoptive parents would get the child. I understand what you are saying, believe me I do but she basically sold those children to Michael. She got millions. Those children do not know her as a mother. They know their nanny better than her. She cannot protect them like they would have to be.

[*Serenity*]

cause he ain't just gonna go with the flow....that's for sho!

IMO,
Lilismom

This reminds me of our old posting days lili.....

:)

[missinglink]

missing also reminded me to add that bubbles has gained a considerable amount of weight....

what a hoot....
the link about bubbles is posted <------- way back on the thread

LOL! I'm still laughing!

Honestly, I thought Bubbles had died a long time ago.

[Unperson1984]

Did you see the photo posted here yesterday of a set of twins, one was completely dark skin and the other 100% white? I think it is difficult to know their real blood line without the real father's dna.
If Debbie was just the surrogate then we also need to know the real mother's dna.

I think the children will need security for a very long time, simply due to the fact that they ARE Michael Jackson's children... that will never leave them.

The twins were a very rare occurrence. No way that three separate births experienced the same very rare occurrence.

If you look at the older children's jaw-line, it is just like Rowe's.

[missinglink]

The Will clearly states that everything goes into the trust, and no mention of anything held separate from the trust.

Yes, it looks like a "Pourover" to me.

[*Serenity*]

OMG if true.......didn't I tell you. :laugh::laugh: I said we have Jesse J. Al, and all that was needed now was G.L.O.R.I.A. I bet the ambulance chaser was on the phone the minute she heard he had died.


Speed dial and redial... you just know it....... reminds me of the
Batphone....hotline....:)

[*Serenity*]

The twins were a very rare occurrence. No way that three separate births experienced the same very rare occurrence.

If you look at the older children's jaw-line, it is just like Rowe's.

Blanket has nothing to do with DR.

The other two could have the same mother and father, and could have been black/white mix mom and black/white mix dad and then what do we get... it's really unknown.

I don't trust a word out of DR mouth so until she proves her DNA I don't beleive her. AND she tried to spill the beans about the father but the finger pointing ended with 'no comment' and refused to speak out.
IF the blood father was someone very close to Michael and has his own $$$$$ maybe he will come forward and settle everything.

With all the madness going on who knows what will happen next.

:)

[Unperson1984]

Being a mother of mixed children; it is NOT obvious but you are entitled to your opinion. So it would be OK for Rowe but not the Jacksons. Are the schools in Encino mixed? Not familiar with the area.

They also have mixed cousins and they certainly fit in IMO

http://www.blackcelebkids.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/3t.jpg

Of course it wouldn't be OK for the Jackson's not to be a big part of their lives, but is there anything wrong with Rowe being a part too?

You have mixed children and they are exposed to both parts of their heritage. Isn't that the ideal?

Everyone assumes Rowe wants custody, but maybe she just wants visitation or to make sure the kids interests are protected. I've said from the start that the Court should appoint a financial Guardian ad Litem for the children, and I still think it's a good idea.

[CinderL.]

O crap I missed it if CNN is showing it I would think it would be on again..so this was the one the night before he passed away.???I thought he looked good in the pictures I saw..

BTW don't forget LKL is at Neverland tonight at 9 just in case anyone did not know

I am sure they will play it thousands of times today. You will see it. :wink:

[GentleBreeze]

I think with the children being 11 and 12 they should have a voice in who they want to live with and I am certain it is not Debbie Rowe. They don't even know this woman. Spitting babies out for cash does not a mother make nor because they may be looking at a mega fortune now.

No Judge would separate these three children from each other when there simply is no need to do so. They have the family that has been in their lives since birth willing to be their guardian. To be ripped from their grandmother, uncles, aunts and many cousins would be cruel to these children. It would be like punishing them because their father died.

I am not worried about Joe. Katherine sent him packing over 10 years ago. He will go back to doing what he always does and that is playing at the casinos.

imo

[CinderL.]

Speed dial and redial... you just know it....... reminds me of the
Batphone....hotline....:)

hahahaha exactly. Funny.

[*Serenity*]

I think with the children being 11 and 12 they should have a voice in who they want to live with and I am certain it is not Debbie Rowe. They don't even know this woman. Spitting babies out for cash does not a mother make nor because they may be looking at a mega fortune now.

No Judge would separate these three children from each other when there simply is no need to do so. They have the family that has been in their lives since birth willing to be their guardian. To be ripped from their grandmother, uncles, aunts and many cousins would be cruel to these children. It would be like punishing them because their father died.

I am not worried about Joe. Katherine sent him packing over 10 years ago. He will go back to doing what he always does and that is playing at the casinos.

imo

Obviously the children were also close to Kathernine since she and Michael had a very strong relationship. I don't think he would have ever named his Mother if he didn't feel she would be the top of the line for their care. I truly beleive he loved them that much.

Joe needs to 'beat it'....

[CinderL.]

Here is the link to the sky news interview with one of MJ's bodyguards. The one that said he had a girlfriend. :ohmy:

http://news.sky.com/skynews/UK-News It is on the left hand side.

[*Serenity*]

I am so far behind I'll never catch up. Can someone tell me the latest in a nutshell? Thanks!

Post # 283 pretty much covers the days events.

:)

[*Serenity*]

Here is the link to the sky news interview with one of MJ's bodyguards. The one that said he had a girlfriend. :ohmy:

http://news.sky.com/skynews/UK-News It is on the left hand side.

I hope this isn't rumor... geeze... now I'm thinkin' who could this possibly be?

[missinglink]

I'm sure most everyone remembers, but just a reminder that the Holiday Forum will start sometime this evening.

[Firehead11]

I think with the children being 11 and 12 they should have a voice in who they want to live with and I am certain it is not Debbie Rowe. They don't even know this woman. Spitting babies out for cash does not a mother make nor because they may be looking at a mega fortune now.

No Judge would separate these three children from each other when there simply is no need to do so. They have the family that has been in their lives since birth willing to be their guardian. To be ripped from their grandmother, uncles, aunts and many cousins would be cruel to these children. It would be like punishing them because their father died.

I am not worried about Joe. Katherine sent him packing over 10 years ago. He will go back to doing what he always does and that is playing at the casinos.

imo

OK I admit it, you said it so much better than I did. !

:thumbsup:

[CinderL.]

I hope this isn't rumor... geeze... now I'm thinkin' who could this possibly be?

I sure hope it isn't the crazy one. :scared:

[aproudmom]

I looked through all the pictures of the kids and it is obvious that they are not half African-American. It's also obvious the Rowe is their mother, they both have her prominent jaw-line.

I have to ask a question, should the children be raised in a completely African-American environment? At some point they will live in the real world and not in the cocoon of security they've been raise in up to now.

Would it be wrong for Rowe to want them to know the other part of their heritage?

I don't care if they are rich, poor, white, African american, Mexican, purple, green, yellow ..this is 2009 I think we need to stop being so ignorant about this a color does not make us different we all have red blood..I think MJ has raised the children for enough years they know both their heritages these kids I have a feeling we will see in a few years and alot will be shocked MJ was not a stupid person...They should be raised in a loving home of people who love and adore them just like their father did and they should NEVER be split up that is my fear...

Just what is their Heritage/Ancestry

[lilismom]

This reminds me of our old posting days lili.....

:)


Which is why I went there momma! We did have a lot of laughs over a very, very sad case didn't we? Ole Bob. Still makes me sick.

Everyone have a safe and happy 4th!

IMO,
Lilismom

[CinderL.]

The Jackson family hardly lives in a "completely" African American environment.

Encino, as is most of the San Fernando Valley, a naturally mixed community. Within blocks of each other you can be at a Christian Church, Jewish Temples of ALL denominations, Mosques, a major Catholic Church, on and on and on.

The schools are naturally integrated. The neighborhoods are totally intergrated. You can walk into a Kosher Butcher or Italian Deli. You can Order Mexican Food, Cuban Food, or Thai. Private schools run the gamut from French Moroccan to Armenian.

Did you get that coffee? :laugh:

[missinglink]

Thanks for that. I had asked this question above as I did not know the area. My children are mixed and have friends of many races and cultures. Racism IMO is not like it was when I was growing up.

I don't call anyone mixed.

JMO, but none of us are 100% of one race.

[missinglink]

According to twitter Debbie Rowe is seeking custody of the kids and ready for this ??? Gloria Allred :scared:

Athena2, where have you been? LOL. That was posted upthread.

You were probably busy gathering links, to which I would like to say "Thanks". You're wonderful for doing that.

[missinglink]

I was responding to aobtd's post -- guess you didn't realize that :tonguewag:

No, I didn't. Sorry! :tonguewag:

[aproudmom]

Here is the link to the sky news interview with one of MJ's bodyguards. The one that said he had a girlfriend. :ohmy:

http://news.sky.com/skynews/UK-News It is on the left hand side.

:ohmy:ok pretty hard to know just what is the truth anymore..I can not believe all this is going on and he has not even been laid to rest..but guess we are talking about the media and the Jackson's you can always make money off that...

Thank goodness that women told them to hire a PR firm Joe was making it even worse thank goodness we have not heard from him lately..:wink:

[Unperson1984]

I think with the children being 11 and 12 they should have a voice in who they want to live with and I am certain it is not Debbie Rowe. They don't even know this woman. Spitting babies out for cash does not a mother make nor because they may be looking at a mega fortune now.

No Judge would separate these three children from each other when there simply is no need to do so. They have the family that has been in their lives since birth willing to be their guardian. To be ripped from their grandmother, uncles, aunts and many cousins would be cruel to these children. It would be like punishing them because their father died.

I am not worried about Joe. Katherine sent him packing over 10 years ago. He will go back to doing what he always does and that is playing at the casinos.

imo

Let's wait to see what Rowe wants. She shouldn't have custody for many reasons, but maybe she wants to be part of their life. The siblings shouldn't be separated and I don’t think a judge would separate them.

Do we know how Joe has been supporting his Vegas lifestyle?

[missinglink]

:ohmy:ok pretty hard to know just what is the truth anymore..I can not believe all this is going on and he has not even been laid to rest..but guess we are talking about the media and the Jackson's you can always make money off that...

Thank goodness that women told them to hire a PR firm Joe was making it even worse thank goodness we have not heard from him lately..:wink:

I clicked on the link but got lost...couldn't find it. :confused:

[missinglink]

Let's wait to see what Rowe wants. She shouldn't have custody for many reasons, but maybe she wants to be part of their life. The siblings shouldn't be separated and I don’t think a judge would separate them.

Do we know how Joe has been supporting his Vegas lifestyle?

I don't. It's safe to say, though, he doesn't know when to hold them, and when to fold them.

[missinglink]

girlfriend + Michael Jackson= rofl

No flipping way! IMO

Stranger things have happened!

[aproudmom]

Personally, I find the entire situation SLIMEY. I don't know who should shoulder the blame. MJ for a shame marriage and buying children or Rowe they were both equal participants...Seems to me, they should share equally in the blame for the mess now at hand.

I don't get all the support for MJ's mother either...........she did stand by and do NOTHING (failure to protect) when her own children were beaten and ridiculed by their father.

my bolding

NO different than someone who can not have children and they adopt it is not free..my aunt and uncle went to Romania to adopt a child in a nasty orphanage..and DR said she did not want to be a mother some people just do not want to be a parent she is a vessel....:rolleyes: