Michael Jackson Wed. 7/1/09

[aproudmom]

It is getting pretty sick. I wonder if Al and Jessie have killed each other yet. Who will give the sermon, who is first, who is last. Uggggg

And the biggest question, will they let JOE speak???? :scared:

I sure hope not I do not want to hear about his new project 1 more time..and the other 2 I will just bite my tongue since so many look up to them..

[legalmania]

I was born and raised in Indiana-- left when I turned 19 years old to California and never moved back. My entire family is scattered all over the state, with the exception of Gary, IN

lol

no offense if you live in Gary, IN... ok.....

I've never been there but it can't be that bad. They did make a song out of it. It that Ron Howard?


Now playing: Meredith Willson - Gary, Indiana (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/meredith_willson/track/gary_indiana)
via FoxyTunes (http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/)

[*Serenity*]

If they have a open casket I will not be watching I do not think that is what MJ would want and that should be for a private service IMO


I can picture all of the rationalizations and justifications as to why they will do this--- One right off the top of my head is how much Michael loved to be on stage and how much he loved his fans... which we have heard over & over in his interviews that this is true-- just not real sure he would want to be put on display in death.

Since they will more than likely be ticketing for the event I am pretty sure the tickets would sell for more $$$$$
if Michael is available for viewing.

I just don't think I have ever in my entire life heard of any funeral or memorial service where tickets were sold. I just think this is whacko.

seriously....

[CinderL.]

ITA Cinder and yes it is very very very sad..

I thought the open glass casket at NL was gross, but at least NL had some semblance of memories or something, I don't know, I knew the people of Santa Barbara would hate it. But, at least there was some kind of decorum or connection. The Staples Center with a fee just goes beyond anything I have ever heard of. These people need a good PR person, cause they are really losing a lot of people that have might have been on their side. NOT me any more. Have a private service at Forest Lawn or somewhere. I don't really care about the "fans". Bury the man with some dignity.

[drip~drop1]

I saw them at Church hill downs he goes every year..Larry Burkhart..he is a hottie :biggrin:

Larry Birkhead. He totally is a cutie. :)

What is this about "ticketing" for the funeral? (memorial....services...)

Are people actually going to have to pay or are the tickets for first come, first in the Staple Center?

[*Serenity*]

I've never been there but it can't be that bad. They did make a song out of it. It that Ron Howard?


Now playing: Meredith Willson - Gary, Indiana (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/meredith_willson/track/gary_indiana)
via FoxyTunes (http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/)


I lived in IN growing up but never made it to Gary, so I have no clue what it is like. I know for the longest time I just loved loved loved
John Cougar Mellancamp because his hometown wasn't too far away from mine. I know... silly girl stuff hey?

[aproudmom]

You're probably right alls he's thinking about is filling hotels and restaurants, I bet you he didn't invite him there when he was in trouble.

he said he had already talked to Joe about a museum where the house they lived in which is sitting empty before MJ even passed away..I just hate him calling MJ their son..he is not Gary Indiana's son..they need to bring in money is what it is all about I have heard alot about him not that he is a horrible person but our State Rep well did not have much to say about the whole thing..sorry but that is just MO

[drip~drop1]

I've never been there but it can't be that bad. They did make a song out of it. It that Ron Howard?


Now playing: Meredith Willson - Gary, Indiana (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/meredith_willson/track/gary_indiana)
via FoxyTunes (http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/)

Gary is considered "bad/dangerous"

[*Serenity*]

Larry Birkhead. He totally is a cutie. :)

What is this about "ticketing" for the funeral? (memorial....services...)

Are people actually going to have to pay or are the tickets for first come, first in the Staple Center?


Post # 928

Insiders also say that AEG will put gigantic screens outside the facilities for the thousands who will not get inside. No word yet on how ticketing will be handled.

[CinderL.]

I can picture all of the rationalizations and justifications as to why they will do this--- One right off the top of my head is how much Michael loved to be on stage and how much he loved his fans... which we have heard over & over in his interviews that this is true-- just not real sure he would want to be put on display in death.

Since they will more than likely be ticketing for the event I am pretty sure the tickets would sell for more $$$$$
if Michael is available for viewing.

I just don't think I have ever in my entire life heard of any funeral or memorial service where tickets were sold. I just think this is whacko.

seriously....


There is no way they could have an open casket by the time they get this thing done. I hate to think what he would look like. A thing of nightmares.

[drip~drop1]

Post # 928


Yes, thank you, I read that.That is why I wondered.

[*Serenity*]

There is no way they could have an open casket by the time they get this thing done. I hate to think what he would look like. A thing of nightmares.


You mean the body thawing out?
eek that just creeps me out to type this.

:closedeyes:

[aproudmom]

I lived in IN growing up but never made it to Gary, so I have no clue what it is like. I know for the longest time I just loved loved loved
John Cougar Mellancamp because his hometown wasn't too far away from mine. I know... silly girl stuff hey?

omg so cool I had seen his home years ago as a kid and bought a car there a few years ago..before I moved I was not to far from there..so you were close to Seymour Indiana did you know he got arrested at 8 such a bad boy..lol:biggrin:

[legalmania]

If they have a open casket I will not be watching I do not think that is what MJ would want and that should be for a private service IMO

I am trying to say this with as much class as I can but after a week the body doesn't look to good. It has lost all it's fluids and begins to shrink and turn grayish green. Even the embalming fluid doesn't help. There is just no way to make them look good. I want to remember that active body and that beautiful smile.

[aproudmom]

There is no way they could have an open casket by the time they get this thing done. I hate to think what he would look like. A thing of nightmares.

yeah I hope you are right..I remember Dr Perper kept telling them if they did not get all the hearings and fighting over ANS burial place then there was not much he could do to have her casket open..and of course IIRC it was closed and her I am sure would loved to have a open casket..not MJ though..

[*Serenity*]

Yes, thank you, I read that.That is why I wondered.

Joe will be at the front gate collecting all the cash, while he places his minions at the parking lot entrance for additinol parking fees.

I do think Staples would be a safe place for the memorial due to traffic control and public safety... I just think this ticketing to be determined is nuts.

The crazed fans will pay to go, no doubt.

[aproudmom]

I am trying to say this with as much class as I can but after a week the body doesn't look to good. It has lost all it's fluids and begins to shrink and turn grayish green. Even the embalming fluid doesn't help. There is just no way to make them look good. I want to remember that active body and that beautiful smile.

legal ITA with you I do not want it to be for one I do not think MJ would want people looking at him in death he was a private person and was never happy with the way he looked so I am glad it is pretty much impossible..

[*Serenity*]

omg so cool I had seen his home years ago as a kid and bought a car there a few years ago..before I moved I was not to far from there..so you were close to Seymour Indiana did you know he got arrested at 8 such a bad boy..lol:biggrin:

Yea .. I was real close to Seymour... lol
I could never understand why he kept changing his name though... that bugged me. I always liked his music and maybe because he was just so close to me and I could relate to his songs.

My brother is partnership owner/funeral director for many years in Ft Wayne. Others live in Indy, Columbus, Shelbyville, Anderson, Greensburg, and heck... all over the state. I may have a relative in your town... :)

[aproudmom]

Joe will be at the front gate collecting all the cash, while he places his minions at the parking lot entrance for additinol parking fees.

I do think Staples would be a safe place for the memorial due to traffic control and public safety... I just think this ticketing to be determined is nuts.

The crazed fans will pay to go, no doubt.

omg I hope not..but watch out we may see his new project posted all over the place..good advertising for him :wink:

[legalmania]

Gary is considered "bad/dangerous"

It's very hard to find a place that is safe today, there has never been a murder where I'm living so far. I hope it stays that way. It took me 2 years to find it. Moving from S. Florida it is such a change. I still lock my doors and windows, and keep the alarm on most people around her laugh at me, I told them I come from a place that if you leave your windows open you could wake up to a stranger in your room.

[*Serenity*]

I am trying to say this with as much class as I can but after a week the body doesn't look to good. It has lost all it's fluids and begins to shrink and turn grayish green. Even the embalming fluid doesn't help. There is just no way to make them look good. I want to remember that active body and that beautiful smile.


For some reason I thought the body held up after embalming if they were kept in the freezer. My brother is a funeral director/mortician so speak but I just never talk to him about his job. It's not real good visiting chatter.

thx for the info

[aproudmom]

Yea .. I was real close to Seymour... lol
I could never understand why he kept changing his name though... that bugged me. I always liked his music and maybe because he was just so close to me and I could relate to his songs.

My brother is partnership owner/funeral director for many years in Ft Wayne. Others live in Indy, Columbus, Shelbyville, Anderson, Greensburg, and heck... all over the state. I may have a relative in your town... :)

omg that is so cool you may not live here now but nice to see another poster who has lived in Indiana I have family in Indy, and Anderson and Ft Wayne, French Lick, Paoli, Bedford ,Bloomington, Rushville I could go on and on and on....and several other places

[CinderL.]

You mean the body thawing out?
eek that just creeps me out to type this.

:closedeyes:
I don't think they keep forever. It is creepy.

[CinderL.]

I am trying to say this with as much class as I can but after a week the body doesn't look to good. It has lost all it's fluids and begins to shrink and turn grayish green. Even the embalming fluid doesn't help. There is just no way to make them look good. I want to remember that active body and that beautiful smile.

I think the whole thing is creepy. The ticket sale at the Staples Center, the Circus coming in hours after the service. I don't think even these people would have an open casket at this point. That is just too sick.

[legalmania]

For some reason I thought the body held up after embalming if they were kept in the freezer. My brother is a funeral director/mortician so speak but I just never talk to him about his job. It's not real good visiting chatter.

thx for the info

Well I'm not a mortician but I've been to plenty of funerals and some of the departed were more that 7 days old and they didn't look good at all. I stopped looking after awhile. I would just stay toward the back. I'm allergic to formaldehyde and that gave me asthma and that stuff smells.

[disneyfreak]

I thought the open glass casket at NL was gross, but at least NL had some semblance of memories or something, I don't know, I knew the people of Santa Barbara would hate it. But, at least there was some kind of decorum or connection. The Staples Center with a fee just goes beyond anything I have ever heard of. These people need a good PR person, cause they are really losing a lot of people that have might have been on their side. NOT me any more. Have a private service at Forest Lawn or somewhere. I don't really care about the "fans". Bury the man with some dignity.
You bet we'd hate it. There are additional logistical problems due to the location and the time of year. No matter what though, our last memories of him were of the trial and his stating he never wanted to come back. That entire "circus" left a very bad taste in our mouths.

I agree that having it at Neverland would have been more of a class act, but since when have the Jackson's shown any class, especially Joe? The best thing at this point would be to go without the memorial, if they can hold a walking public viewing ala Eva Peron.

[aproudmom]

OMG IF I HEAR "Who's YOUR DADDY 1 more time I am going to scream..that is horrible..I hope those kids are not watching any TV..The media cares about no one..even Showbiz tonight:angry:

[aproudmom]

You bet we'd hate it. There are additional logistical problems due to the location and the time of year. No matter what though, our last memories of him were of the trial and his stating he never wanted to come back. That entire "circus" left a very bad taste in our mouths.

I agree that having it at Neverland would have been more of a class act, but since when have the Jackson's shown any class, especially Joe? The best thing at this point would be to go without the memorial, if they can hold a walking public viewing ala Eva Peron.

LKL will be at Neverland tomorrow night.. I am sure most of you knew that already..but I just heard it..

[CinderL.]

You bet we'd hate it. There are additional logistical problems due to the location and the time of year. No matter what though, our last memories of him were of the trial and his stating he never wanted to come back. That entire "circus" left a very bad taste in our mouths.

I agree that having it at Neverland would have been more of a class act, but since when have the Jackson's shown any class, especially Joe? The best thing at this point would be to go without the memorial, if they can hold a walking public viewing ala Eva Peron.

Ha, yeah at this point with all of the publicity and build up for the "state funeral" I don't know where they could have a service without the "circus". I would say a private service at this time, and then a memorial "show" sometime in the future would be the way to go. But, the Jackson's didn't ask me, so they will do what they will do. :laugh:

[aproudmom]

http://www.realself.com/find/California/Beverly-Hills/Dermatologist/Arnold-Klein
is this the one they say is the kids bio dad? DR ex boss

For 1 MJ was the father of his children and I think it is horrible with all this being said now:thumbdown:

[CinderL.]

LKL will be at Neverland tomorrow night.. I am sure most of you knew that already..but I just heard it..

I didn't know that. Thanks. :biggrin:

[CinderL.]

......:seeya:.....

[aproudmom]

Ha, yeah at this point with all of the publicity and build up for the "state funeral" I don't know where they could have a service without the "circus". I would say a private service at this time, and then a memorial "show" sometime in the future would be the way to go. But, the Jackson's didn't ask me, so they will do what they will do. :laugh:

:thumbsup:lol you got that one right..

[FallenAngel♥]

I don't think they keep forever. It is creepy.

remember they kept Anna Nicole Smith in the freezer so long she couldn't have an open casket.

[aproudmom]

:w00t:omg I got to go check on Farrah's thread..Ryan's son was not allowed in..I saw him standing out there and him on his cell did not know it was Griffin omg got to go check it out..

[*Serenity*]

OMG IF I HEAR "Who's YOUR DADDY 1 more time I am going to scream..that is horrible..I hope those kids are not watching any TV..The media cares about no one..even Showbiz tonight:angry:
Ratings! That comes first and the lives they destroy means nothing.
If the Jackson's would have had the funeral already some of this would not be dragging out with 'no new news' to report. The media is filling in with gossip until they can get the coverage on the funeral. I hope the family is sheltering the children from the news. They have enough to cope with right now, and the biological parents will be another hurdle for them later on.

[aproudmom]

remember they kept Anna Nicole Smith in the freezer so long she couldn't have an open casket.

I just said that Dr Perper kept telling them but the fighting went on up to the time her casket was being carried in and her mother held up the funeral

[aproudmom]

Ratings! That comes first and the lives they destroy means nothing.
If the Jackson's would have had the funeral already some of this would not be dragging out with 'no new news' to report. The media is filling in with gossip until they can get the coverage on the funeral. I hope the family is sheltering the children from the news. They have enough to cope with right now, and the biological parents will be another hurdle for them later on.

yeah all about the $$$$$

[aproudmom]

I didn't know that. Thanks. :biggrin:

well now you do..lol..:biggrin:

[FallenAngel♥]

I just said that Dr Perper kept telling them but the fighting went on up to the time her casket was being carried in and her mother held up the funeral

I love Dr Perper....have you read his book When To Call The Doctor?

[aproudmom]

This is the name I was asking about earlier...who says she is the mother of his child Blanket

GRACE: To Natisha Lance, who is this woman, and I`m not talking about Debbie Rowe, that is coming forward and saying she is the mother of at least one of those children. I assume it`s Blanket, Prince Michael II.

NATISHA LANCE, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: That`s right. Her name is Nona Paris Lola Jackson, Nancy. She`s out of the British -- she`s out of Britain. She`s saying that
She also wants to be -- gain custody of the children. Now this is not the first time that she has filed papers in this type of manner. She also filed papers back in December of 2008. The judge said that you need more evidence to show that you are the mother of these children.

GRACE: I`ve got her documents right here in front of me where she is claiming that she`s the mother of the minor children. OK. So we already see people coming out of the woodwork making these claims. The only way to verify or disprove her claim is going to be a DNA test.

Out to Ellyn Gamberg, psychotherapist joining us out of New York. Doctor, thank you for being with us. Getting all lost in this are his three children and what they are going through right now. One of them, apparently, seeing their father drop to the floor.

ELLYN GAMBERG, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: Nancy, this is -- this whole experience is so devastating. And there are so many factors. Not just actually losing their father, seeing their father, I hope that all these kids are not watching television -- to the claims of who are their parents.

[emdragon]

There is no way they could have an open casket by the time they get this thing done. I hate to think what he would look like. A thing of nightmares.

You don't remember his mug shot? he already looked like a thing of nightmares.

I would rather remember the innocent days when he was child- when performing was still new and fun (Joe aside)

I want to remember the REAL Michael before he started changing himself..
May I just add that while the Dr.s who fed him the drugs should be brought to light and face the music so should any and every Doctor who continued to give in to Michael's need for more cosmetic surgeries.

[disneyfreak]

LKL will be at Neverland tomorrow night.. I am sure most of you knew that already..but I just heard it..

I know it now. I might tune in to see the crowds.

Ha, yeah at this point with all of the publicity and build up for the "state funeral" I don't know where they could have a service without the "circus". I would say a private service at this time, and then a memorial "show" sometime in the future would be the way to go. But, the Jackson's didn't ask me, so they will do what they will do. :laugh:

When it comes to that family, especially Joe, they don't do anything that won't bring them money. Another option would have been a televised memorial without the viewing to keep the lookie-loos out and not charge anything. They could even have remote TVs set up around Los Angeles. Handle it with dignity (and crowd control) like England did with Princess Diana.

[aproudmom]

I love Dr Perper....have you read his book When To Call The Doctor?

I love him he is very honest..he makes sure even NG shuts up until he is done talking..lol..I have not read his book

[disneyfreak]

I love him he is very honest..he makes sure even NG shuts up until he is done talking..lol..I have not read his book
I have just finished my current "to read" pile so I'm looking for new books. I'll add this one to my new wishlist.

[aproudmom]

You don't remember his mug shot? he already looked like a thing of nightmares.

I would rather remember the innocent days when he was child- when performing was still new and fun (Joe aside)

I want to remember the REAL Michael before he started changing himself..
May I just add that while the Dr.s who fed him the drugs should be brought to light and face the music so should any and every Doctor who continued to give in to Michael's need for more cosmetic surgeries.

his mug shot was very scary sorry but it was..and I watch his early videos and he was such a nice looking man with a huge smile on his face..very sad he was never happy with the way he looked...

[disneyfreak]

his mug shot was very scary sorry but it was..and I watch his early videos and he was such a nice looking man with a huge smile on his face..very sad he was never happy with the way he looked...

Between "Off the Wall" until his death, the changes this adult man underwent were scary, and very sad. IMO this type of medicine should result in a loss of license, irregardless of whether the patient files a formal complaint.

[aproudmom]

I have just finished my current "to read" pile so I'm looking for new books. I'll add this one to my new wishlist.

I think I will do the same I forgot about his book until FA brought it up..

[legalmania]

Well it's getting late so let me dedicate this last song to you MJ I hope you're able to see all the people who care and love you.

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Now playing: Michael Jackson - Earth Song (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/michael_jackson/track/earth_song)
via FoxyTunes (http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/)

[aproudmom]

I love love love Dr. Perper too! His accent makes him seem even smarter than he already is...one question though....what do you think his head is shaped the way it is? It is so noticeable that I can't help but stare when I see him on tv...I know not really on topic, but has anyone ever heard anything about this, or if it was caused in some sort of accident or operation? Just wondering what others thought...

I have not read his book, but am looking forward to doing so....he is very interesting and a great expert.

he was dropped on his head as a child....or that is what was reported anyway..now you got me wondering I will have to look it up now..

[Mr. Moto2]

Between "Off the Wall" until his death, the changes this adult man underwent were scary, and very sad. IMO this type of medicine should result in a loss of license, irregardless of whether the patient files a formal complaint.

Off the Wall is my favorite album from MJ. It was a fresh start and new direction for him, away from Motown, with the great Quincy Jones producing. Michael quickly shed his teenybopper image with this album. Oh, and he looked really good and healthy on the cover:

http://favianna.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8345357ef69e2011168f710be970c-800wi

[aproudmom]

Well it's getting late so let me dedicate this last song to you MJ I hope you're able to see all the people who care and love you.

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Now playing: Michael Jackson - Earth Song (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/michael_jackson/track/earth_song)
via FoxyTunes (http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/)

I always look forward to this legal thanks a bunch

[aproudmom]

I love love love Dr. Perper too! His accent makes him seem even smarter than he already is...one question though....what do you think his head is shaped the way it is? It is so noticeable that I can't help but stare when I see him on tv...I know not really on topic, but has anyone ever heard anything about this, or if it was caused in some sort of accident or operation? Just wondering what others thought...

I have not read his book, but am looking forward to doing so....he is very interesting and a great expert.

According to the South Florida Sun-Sentinel, Perper was dropped accidentally on his head by his aunt when he was a small child and a blood clot thickened part of his skull, resulting in his uniquely-shaped head.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_Perper

[aproudmom]

Between "Off the Wall" until his death, the changes this adult man underwent were scary, and very sad. IMO this type of medicine should result in a loss of license, irregardless of whether the patient files a formal complaint.

there should be a cut off as some point IMO...so many are addicted to plastic surgery and to me when you go and have bariatric surgery it is changing the way you look they have to go through months of counseling so maybe they should do the same with plastic surgery..but just MO anyway

[aproudmom]

Alot of nice pics..


Jackson's Fan Share Photos, Memorabilia

http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/06/30/jackson.remembered.irpt/index.html

[aproudmom]

well been nice posting with all of you seems to be nice and civil at night on here..I am going to go and check on a few other threads I have not been on for awhile...

Wishing everyone a wonderful day...see ya tomorrow:seeya:

[legalmania]

I always look forward to this legal thanks a bunch

thanks aproudmom I'm glad I can share it with you and anybody who is interested. Night all:rose::seeya:

[disneyfreak]

Enjoyed posting with you all tonight. Catch you in the afternoon.

[aproudmom]

:scared:They best make sure this nut job does not get near those kids heck she may kidnap them sounds pretty off her rocker to me...



http://www.inquisitr.com/27988/nona-paris-lola-ankhesenamun-jackson-claims-she-was-mjs-secret-wife/
Nona Paris Lola Ankhesenamun Jackson claims she was MJ’s secret wife


Nona Paris Lola Ankhesenamun Jackson Claims to be MJ's Widow
http://bashhh.blogspot.com/2009/07/nona-paris-lola-ankhesenamun-jackson.html

[aproudmom]

this was neat and just wanted to share it I can not believe how popular this was.. lol ok outta here I could sit and watch videos for days
163 people dancing to Michael Jackson's Thriller in Hungary, Kecskemet. This is Guinness Record in year 2007
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFDEKlgqQeo

Wedding Thriller:laugh:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-vKvL9rd_k

[VC2]

I think these new (old) attnys. can handle Joe. I sure hope so. I think a judge would see right trough Joe. In fact all the Attny's would have to do is show the judge the BET award interview. :laugh:

:laugh: talk about evidence of your priorities. dead son or new record label.

My concern is they are going to use Katherine as the front. It won't be joe, it will be katherine and her "attorney" who i bet is hired by joe

imo

[VC2]

My bold above is the KEY to all of this funeral/memorial change of plans. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

never heard of paying for a funeral. It might be to manage security tho. Can you imagine the crush of people racing to get in the front rows? what i mean is that it might not be tickets as in dollar amount, OR it could be to pay for all the extra LE security

[VC2]

I hope he's able to stay off the drugs for his mom. She suffered so much. Ryan made his other son stay outside.

why????? re the other son

[VC2]

As a service should be.
Now the MJ service....we can charge $$$ and make it a total joke. What a abomination. I thought the funeral of ANS was over the top. This will be much, much worse. What a way to leave this world. Bring on Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Circus. SAD.

cinder did you feel the same way about elvis's funeral?

[Firehead11]

I have not read the entire thread here but I have read what some of the posts and I have a question.

Do any of else know the reason why Michael had plastic surgery to begin with? We heard most of the rumors during prior times but just recently I read where it is being claimed that his father's name for him was "Big Nose". Now that in itself made me start to think about it. What if he started getting plastic surgery because of the teasing he had endured from his father? We know that Joe Jackson admitted to "whipping" the boy. Isn't it true that the abused always tries to do things that would get them acceptance from the abuser? And if this was truly the reason, how did the media contribute to it all by calling him a freak or whacko? I would have hoped that the media would have learned a lesson, apparently it did not.

On another site is a few videos where Jackson is showing some happiness. In one of the he states that when he toured it was pure hell for him. The interviewer or manager said that he really couldn't say that during an interview. So in the next shot, he started to say that touring was great ! Now why didn't they allow him to tell things like it was? But yet we judge without knowing the full facts.

I hope he has found his peace now. He was a great performer and there will never be another like him again.


JMO

[Ice Cycle]

Between "Off the Wall" until his death, the changes this adult man underwent were scary, and very sad. IMO this type of medicine should result in a loss of license, irregardless of whether the patient files a formal complaint.

G Morning All,
I agree with this, right after then is when the changes started and the sad part is he was really nice looking. In looking at the old video's the changes seem to be gradual at first, just a little and more so eye makeup and you know their were alot like C Lopper, B George and even Prince that went for that distinct look but he just kept getting worse. I have always thought that somewhere at the beginning that it was plastic surgery that went wrong and was never able to be fixed right.

[mrsmcgoo]

Exclusive interview - Jermaine Jackson on MJ's death with Matt Lauer

Video

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/31704351#31704351

More videos follow after this one -

Debbie Rowe has hired a lawyer and her lawyer will appear at the custody hearing on Monday 7/6

I am unable to access it at this moment, can you give us a little summary?

Much appreciated if possible.

[mrsmcgoo]

Right hand side - you should see videos

Title: Jermaine: I Wish It Was Me

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31685979/ns/entertainment-music/

Thank you for you efforts, am unable to open videos at the moment though.

[GentleBreeze]

You don't remember his mug shot? he already looked like a thing of nightmares.

I would rather remember the innocent days when he was child- when performing was still new and fun (Joe aside)

I want to remember the REAL Michael before he started changing himself..
May I just add that while the Dr.s who fed him the drugs should be brought to light and face the music so should any and every Doctor who continued to give in to Michael's need for more cosmetic surgeries.

The image I have of Michael now seems to be one of the last photos taken of him when he was preparing to do his latest tour.

All the other images through the years have just gone away and when I think of him I visually see him in his see through purple/jacket and he has a nice smile taken a couple of days before his death.

I think MJ lost his way along with way on his looks somehow but at the end realized the image of him when he was in his prime as a young adult dynamic entertainer is who the fans fell in love with to begin with.

I do agree if any Doctor was reckless in their medical treatment of him they should be held accountable.

imo

[mrsmcgoo]

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jPZNYNpzgKVseuGw8ruCL10VOf1gD9969O000

News agency states 2 of 3 people believe too much coverage of MJ's death.

[incidentally]

I've had 3 surgeries and have no idea what I was given and felt horrible afterwards. One of them when my surgeon came to see me - told me I was talking like a sailor. Never told me what I said and I have no recollection of it. Horrible. :scared:

:lol: I apparently did the same thing. As I was waking up from anesthesia I was crying, I remember it so clearly. The doctor looked over at someone and said "she went from cussing like a sailor to crying like a baby"...and then I was out again.

I've been given Propofol once I was in the surgery room and told to count backwards from 100. I think I made it to 99. It's a very, very powerful drug.

From what I am hearing at this point, all Michael Jackson wanted was some well deserved sleep. Insomnia is horrible. Couple that with racing thoughts, it's sometimes unbearable.

[Firehead11]

Firehead -- Hiiiiiiiiii !!!!!

This is only my personal opinion of what MJ did to his features with the plastic surgery.

I honestly believe that MJ was teased so much about his big nose when he was younger that when he was able to sought plastic surgery.

I think the following surgeries were done because no matter how small his nose got - he still saw it is as big in the mirror. It's like an anorexic who can be soooo skinny their bones are actually protruding but when they look in the mirror they envision themselves as fat.
As far as his skin coloring goes I believe he had dipigmentation done by his dermatologist. See post# 927 which explains the process:

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=13240625&highlight=vitiligo#post13240625

Re: the media. The media should be ashamed of themselves for reporting rumors and innuendoes without the facts. They have shown absolutely no compassion for his children - none -- and that has been the worst.

:rose:

Strange and so sad that we are back here over Michael Jackson again. I agree with you.

Watch the interview with Lou Ferrigno when you get a chance.
http://www.msn.com/defaulta.aspx

He was training Michael in May for this tour. His voice breaks near the end. :crying:

[incidentally]

Did you guys see the interview where the man said talking business to Michael was like talking Greek? I think even Michael could understand the difference in 10 concerts and 50. :rolleyes:

For some reason I thought originally only 10 concerts were scheduled but because of the overwhelming response it quickly moved to 50. I'm relying on memory so take my recollection with a grain of salt.

[VC2]

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jPZNYNpzgKVseuGw8ruCL10VOf1gD9969O000

News agency states 2 of 3 people believe too much coverage of MJ's death.

lol yet 2 1/2 of those people are tuning in to the shows covering it imo

one thing it did do is stop the wall to wall coverage of Gov. Sanfords love letters.

As a staunch democrat i still feel almost sorry for him, but dang..men have a problem learning when to stay quiet. I can't believe he said "she was my soulmate but i will try to fall in love with my wife again". I don't care about it but his wife probably changed all the locks and was at an attorneys office shortly afterwards. and the emails were way to much imo and none of the publics business.

MJ at least has knocked that off the air except for more politically related such as should he resign.

IMO

[GentleBreeze]

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jPZNYNpzgKVseuGw8ruCL10VOf1gD9969O000

News agency states 2 of 3 people believe too much coverage of MJ's death.

Do you know what the ratings have been since he died?

That would be the best indicator if the majority think there is too much coverage.

Is it bringing in the viewing audience or are the network ratings declining?

imo