6/28 to 6/29 -- #6

[4Life]

New one for Sunday night

[4Life]

MJ tributes tonight on the BET awards

[4Life]

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we must be looking at different videos.



Nope, we are not. I posted this video the other day and I watched the whole thing live back in March

[who_is_it]

(link originally posted by forensicpsy)

"The guard and the doctor picked him up and put him on the bed from the living room, and that's when they started CPR," he said.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/06282009/news/nationalnews/jacko_sons_tragic_trance_176550.htm

If this demerol shot was at 11:30 and he already packed his things to go he must have been awake let's say 1 hour before. I wonder why he was awake so early when he worked until very late in the night. The magician at the Staples center said he himself left after 12 (and would have stayed longer if he knew it was the last show). They worked much longer.

Not to be picky but that's an additional stress factor if he didn't get enough sleep.

[4Life]

Oh -- I thought something happened and the thread was closed. :scared:

Me too, that's why I waited for a few minutes before starting this one

[Lyvia]

Oh -- I thought something happened and the thread was closed. :scared:

Athena, I don't know if you saw my post in the other thread or not, but I went to the post you said about Terry George. His only issue was with the Sun sensationalizing the story. He still stands by the inappropriate phone contact with Jackson from when he was 13. I linked to the page in which he described it as "lewd." Nothing was debunked.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Man oh man.. I wish someone would give a heads up on closing a thread..or at least CW would post startng a new one..Geesh..
i just answered someones post and will atempt to transfer..I hope I dont screw this up..Sorry in advance if doesnt translate..
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Perhaps I've missed the post, but I am still waiting for someone to tell me why an innocent man who just enjoyed harmless sleepovers with little boys would not stop this behavior after public humiliation, the threat of prosecution and possible prison time, the payout in tens of millions, and the destruction of his reputation and career, after all that, the man continued to indulge his predilection to have pajama parties with little boys.

WHY NOT JUST STOP??
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Perhaps Kellabeck..It's because he just could not conrol himself..and that would include his drug use...Many apparantly advised him, encouraged him to do the right thing...however..Nope..whether it was enablers or his inability..At this point..it doesnt really make a difference...Hummmmm Me believes he will be judged in a much higher court..and those that want to attempt to make more money on his past behaviors will just go on..For myself.. I have moved on...i simply will not keep siting on that merry-go-round anymore..and argue about who did what when, why and play that game..JMOO

LMS

Goodness Gracious..

[Cardinal]

Oh my - just looked at the guide and this thing is 3 1/2 hours long. I just set it to record but I betcha they leave MJ for towards the end and I am not a fan of hip-hop so can't watch the red carpet portion. LOL :ohmy:

I won't be able to watch the whole show either. Hopefully, I'll see something of the tributes.

[4Life]

Oh my - just looked at the guide and this thing is 3 1/2 hours long. I just set it to record but I betcha they leave MJ for towards the end and I am not a fan of hip-hop so can't watch the red carpet portion. LOL :ohmy: It is suppose to go over by 30 minutes

[4Life]

I won't be able to watch the whole show either. Hopefully, I'll see something of the tributes.

BET always plays the edited version of their awards throughout the week and for a month later

[mrsmcgoo]

forensicpsy~

I agree about the blame game. Especially when it is being reported about the second autopsy.

Strange thing is that this link says the nanny had Kathernine Jackson and Janet come over and tried to have an intervention. I believe this actually. I think MJ had great respect for both his Mother and Janet and would have been the best hope to get him off the drugs.

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/music/article6591123.ece

JMO

[aproudmom]

:scared:thought we got shutdown scared me for a minute..thought we were all playing nice...

[4Life]

Of course it's him. Look at his lips and teeth.

Oh I know it's him, but you know people are going to come out of the wood work saying MJ faked his death and he is alive somewhere.........
Elvis all over again
Soon we will hear reports that MJ was seen in Walmart, Toy R Us, Extra on a movie..etc...

[aproudmom]

MJ tributes tonight on the BET awards

52 minutes till we go live:thumbup:

[Cardinal]

TY 4Life and Snazzy. Maybe I can catch most of it later.

[4Life]

52 minutes till we go live:thumbup:

They are saying this might go to midnight or after. The singers are doing last minute things to make tributes to MJ throughout the night..Rumor is a huge tribute will be at the end

[CinderL.]

Just wanted to post a video that I think is wonderful. I didn't know he had sung this song. "SMILE".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OgQxhAXu5g

[Cardinal]

Ok here's a specific article. He has been MJ's lawyer for 3 years:

For those close to Jackson, the news about McMillan’s major appointment over the Michael Jackson family should come as no surprise, as McMillan has represented Michael Jackson for the past three years.

http://www.thesource.com/2009/06/exclusive-news-l-londell-mcmillan-hired-to-represent-michael-jackson-family/

But he's not a probate attorney, Athena. Hopefully, this guy will have enough sense to bring in a probate attorney to partner with him. Especially if there's to be a wrongful death suit.

[4Life]

So they'll be 3 of them now Elvis, Tupac and MJ. :biggrin:

Oh yeah I forgot about Tupac, he was spotted in a bar in New Orleans or some place

[4Life]

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An just how do u know for sure that he didnt fake his own death?

None of us really know anything for sure. The guy in that video looks too damn good to be a "sickly michael". jmo

He has been working out..Makeup..Did you see him at the dance rehearsal I posted..Same person...MJ

[aproudmom]

Oh I know it's him, but you know people are going to come out of the wood work saying MJ faked his death and he is alive somewhere.........
Elvis all over again
Soon we will hear reports that MJ was seen in Walmart, Toy R Us, Extra on a movie..etc...

ITA it will be crazy..

[4Life]

Oh I am so confus-ed. What is a legacy attorney? That is how he is described.

I think those are lawyers that manage estates and business

[who_is_it]

Athena, I don't know if you saw my post in the other thread or not, but I went to the post you said about Terry George. His only issue was with the Sun sensationalizing the story. He still stands by the inappropriate phone contact with Jackson from when he was 13. I linked to the page in which he described it as "lewd." Nothing was debunked.

Why then did he want to apologise to Michael?

I get goosebumps when I read what the media did to this man. It's brave that he published the truth about the methods of the British media empire.

http://www.terrygeorge.co.uk/home/?topic=76

[4Life]

Has anyone spotted Biggie -- he certainly couldnt be missed LOL

LOl, no but I'm sure he's next

RIP

[mrsmcgoo]

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25705377-26397,00.html

Haven't seen this mentioned. No injection before death according to the Dr. that was there.

[CinderL.]

Ok here's a specific article. He has been MJ's lawyer for 3 years:

For those close to Jackson, the news about McMillan’s major appointment over the Michael Jackson family should come as no surprise, as McMillan has represented Michael Jackson for the past three years.

http://www.thesource.com/2009/06/exclusive-news-l-londell-mcmillan-hired-to-represent-michael-jackson-family/

If he has been representing MJ for the last 3 yrs., he would be the last person I would hire. I don't think he did a great job for MJ. IMO

[4Life]

I wonder if Beyonce, Justin Timberlake and Usher made it back to CA. They were trying to find flights this morning.

I hope they did, I would like to see them perform

I heard very early this morning that Diana Ross and Whitney Houston were thinking about going to perform

BTW OT
Whitney has a comeback CD in Sept

[aproudmom]

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An just how do u know for sure that he didnt fake his own death?

None of us really know anything for sure. The guy in that video looks too damn good to be a "sickly michael". jmo

Bubbles did you watch it live? if not it was much better quality and you know what it had to be him I had to wait for about 2 hours before he finally came out of the bus we all know he shows up when he wants to..lol..no really I do think it is him but do I know 110 % no..I swore ELVIS was standing next to me in Vegas then darn if my sister did not bust my bubble and said he was the real Elvis.J/K.:laugh:

[Cardinal]

Oh I am so confus-ed. What is a legacy attorney? That is how he is described.

The linked article said he'd been appointed as the "legacy" attorney, but that doesn't mean he has probate experience. The linked info sounds like he's an entertainment attorney. That's great, but it isn't all that the family needs now, imo. It does sound like he can handle any contract issues, though.

[mrsmcgoo]

http://www.pr-inside.com/lawyer-for-doctor-jackson-had-pulse-r1350691.htm

Another story.

I am confused, he was in bed when found. I read that he collapsed on the living room floor.

I guess we are bound to hear alot of rumors though..

[4Life]

Wow - he is bringing out all the biggies. Weird because I really thought we would read something horrible about Whitney but heard she has gone through rehab and coming out with a new CD this fall per Clive Davis.Yes, her CD is due out in Sept.

They had short videos of her singing at a Clive event not too long ago. She sounded amazing and the critics praised her

[Mr. Moto2]

His whole life was strange. I think it will end up to be another Anna N. Smith.

Yes. Strange is strange does. Who could forget this picture of Michael and his buddies at the wedding...

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/109/307167970_5aa5c605ab_o.jpg

[aproudmom]

bubbles did you watch it live? If not it was much better quality and you know what it had to be him i had to wait for about 2 hours before he finally came out of the bus we all know he shows up when he wants to..lol..no really i do think it is him but do i know 110 % no..i swore elvis was standing next to me in vegas then darn if my sister did not bust my bubble and said he was the real elvis.j/k.:laugh:

yikes meant not the real elvis

[mrsmcgoo]

Another link....

Janet is executor.

http://www.kimt.com/entertainment/story/Janet-Jackson-made-executor/hxof6yo4gkmcrQtLajFjHg.cspx

[mrsmcgoo]

Uh Citygirl....you are right my dear. :biggrin:

http://livenews.com.au/entertainment/jackson-kids-fantastic-grandfather/2009/6/29/211392

[sunstar]

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25705377-26397,00.html

Haven't seen this mentioned. No injection before death according to the Dr. that was there.

That makes a lot more sense than an injection at 11:30am and about an hour later he's already "cold". MOO

[mrsmcgoo]

Hi! I totally agree. Unfortunately, MJ was very sick for years, suffering from many medical ailments as well as addiction.

I still say though that the family will look for someone to blame - even though there is no one.

imo

Yes I think they will too.

[4Life]

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Whats the link to the video of him at rehearsal?It's posted on one of these threads. I posted it last night

[VC2]

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An just how do u know for sure that he didnt fake his own death?

None of us really know anything for sure. The guy in that video looks too damn good to be a "sickly michael". jmo

that is because he was not sickly at the time. He has been working out for months, 3 hours a day to start with to prepare for this trip. he had a personal trainer (ferrigno) and had passed the insurance companies 5 hour physical. If you believe the "frail and sickly" stories about his last weeks I don't!! he had his health together in terms of eating, training and working out. AEG would never have even signed a contract with a "sickly" MJ except perhaps a pre contract based on a further one when he shows he had gotten himself in shape.

The only ones saying he was "sickly" lately are ones who had nothing to do with him imo for months or those who had seen him on a bad day.

JMO

[aproudmom]

Hi! I totally agree. Unfortunately, MJ was very sick for years, suffering from many medical ailments as well as addiction.

I still say though that the family will look for someone to blame - even though there is no one.

imo

ITA that is part of the grieving anger and wanting answers now..I think after the 2006 intervention he pushed away alot of people who did care about him but only he could save himself..

[4Life]

that is because he was not sickly at the time. He has been working out for months, 3 hours a day to start with to prepare for this trip. he had a personal trainer (ferrigno) and had passed the insurance companies 5 hour physical. If you believe the "frail and sickly" stories about his last weeks I don't!! he had his health together in terms of eating, training and working out. AEG would never have even signed a contract with a "sickly" MJ except perhaps a pre contract based on a further one when he shows he had gotten himself in shape.

The only ones saying he was "sickly" lately are ones who had nothing to do with him imo for months or those who had seen him on a bad day.

JMO

Correct all the way around. Also that video press conf. is a little over 3 months ago

[who_is_it]

I didn't see that article but I know the LAPD cleared him unless something changes. New article posted on TMZ also. MJ had faint pulse when the Dr arrived. Scroll down for the LAPD clearing him.

http://www.tmz.com/

Damage control.

One doesn't know which of the many stories is true.

[who_is_it]

that is because he was not sickly at the time. He has been working out for months, 3 hours a day to start with to prepare for this trip. he had a personal trainer (ferrigno) and had passed the insurance companies 5 hour physical. If you believe the "frail and sickly" stories about his last weeks I don't!! he had his health together in terms of eating, training and working out. AEG would never have even signed a contract with a "sickly" MJ except perhaps a pre contract based on a further one when he shows he had gotten himself in shape.

The only ones saying he was "sickly" lately are ones who had nothing to do with him imo for months or those who had seen him on a bad day.

JMO

:thumbsup:

I agree.

[mrsmcgoo]

http://herald-zeitung.com/wire.lasso?report=/dynamic/stories/U/US_BET_AWARDS&-session=HeraldZeitung:42F9448B0f5592CA48jPR29998DB

Joe Jackson has arrived at the awards show.

I find this very strange that he is able to make this appearance, but we all grieve differently.

[Cardinal]

Another link....

Janet is executor.

http://www.kimt.com/entertainment/story/Janet-Jackson-made-executor/hxof6yo4gkmcrQtLajFjHg.cspx

Good, I'm glad he named someone who genuinely cared about him. But she's going to need some expert assistance.

Goodnight, all. Going to throw dinner together and watch the BET Awards.

[4Life]

Plus, wouldn't AEG get insurance prior to the tour in the event of illness, etc ....... which means he would have to be physically up to par.
MO

Yes, that's why they had him checked out before they could be insured

[aproudmom]

that is because he was not sickly at the time. He has been working out for months, 3 hours a day to start with to prepare for this trip. he had a personal trainer (ferrigno) and had passed the insurance companies 5 hour physical. If you believe the "frail and sickly" stories about his last weeks I don't!! he had his health together in terms of eating, training and working out. AEG would never have even signed a contract with a "sickly" MJ except perhaps a pre contract based on a further one when he shows he had gotten himself in shape.

The only ones saying he was "sickly" lately are ones who had nothing to do with him imo for months or those who had seen him on a bad day.

JMO

did they not report they were actually surprised on how well he actually was when they did the autopsy..sorry do not know how to word it but anyway I remember something being said..also that was March over 3 months ago perhaps he had lost weight or whatever in those few months..

[Cardinal]

http://herald-zeitung.com/wire.lasso?report=/dynamic/stories/U/US_BET_AWARDS&-session=HeraldZeitung:42F9448B0f5592CA48jPR29998DB

Joe Jackson has arrived at the awards show.

I find this very strange that he is able to make this appearance, but we all grieve differently.

I don't find it strange. He's looking to take back control, imo. I hope Janet can stand up to him.

[annalyzer]

Up next on Dateline about MJ.

[4Life]

http://herald-zeitung.com/wire.lasso?report=/dynamic/stories/U/US_BET_AWARDS&-session=HeraldZeitung:42F9448B0f5592CA48jPR29998DB

Joe Jackson has arrived at the awards show.

I find this very strange that he is able to make this appearance, but we all grieve differently.

I don't find this strange at all
He is there to see all of the tributes to his son. This might help him with the grieving process

[who_is_it]

Hi! I totally agree. Unfortunately, MJ was very sick for years, suffering from many medical ailments as well as addiction.

I still say though that the family will look for someone to blame - even though there is no one.

imo

These are 2 different subjects imo. One is that I think he was in a good condition. Second is to blame it on the doc which I don't find correct. Most time death is caused by several factors.

[aproudmom]

Yes, that's why they had him checked out before they could be insured

what I keep wondering is why did he think he only had signed up for 10 and ended up with 50 shows..did he not read the contract right or what..10 and 50 is a huge difference and he even said he did not think he could do it..

[VC2]

eta when i say he was not sickly, i mean he the "frail sickly" image of 3 years ago that is all we have seen of him lately.

I still think he was addicted to prescription painkillers but was in a catch 22 bc he also had pain, but imo he had reduced the amount he was taking as well as getting fit.

One thing, if drugs were in his system and he had danced and worked for 6-8 hours at the full dress rehearsal the night before, without stopping for lots of liquids...it is quite possible that they killed him not because of the dose but because of the dehydration. The more dehydrated you are, the more medication ends up concentrated in the system and can have the effect of twice a dose.

I got the flu but didn't realize it, i was devastated from a death, then my car got killed, then other things and it was a wildly hot august day. I take rhovane to sleep every other night. Well i went and did what i needed to safety the beater i got, then went home and that night got an email asking why i had banned someone. LOL i was stunned..i could not remember anything in the last 18 hours whatsoever. I knew i must have done somethings bc i had the paperwork but that was it. Talked to my doctor and he said with the temperature i had and the dehydration from running around in the heat without drinking fluids the rhovane acted like at least a double dose on me.

That my blood and therefore the medicine in it was so concentrated it was like much more, clearing and metabolizing wouldn't occur as normal etc.

jmo

[who_is_it]

eta when i say he was not sickly, i mean he the "frail sickly" image of 3 years ago that is all we have seen of him lately.

I still think he was addicted to prescription painkillers but was in a catch 22 bc he also had pain, but imo he had reduced the amount he was taking as well as getting fit.

One thing, if drugs were in his system and he had danced and worked for 6-8 hours at the full dress rehearsal the night before, without stopping for lots of liquids...it is quite possible that they killed him not because of the dose but because of the dehydration. The more dehydrated you are, the more medication ends up concentrated in the system and can have the effect of twice a dose.

I got the flu but didn't realize it, i was devastated from a death, then my car got killed, then other things and it was a wildly hot august day. I take rhovane to sleep every other night. Well i went and did what i needed to safety the beater i got, then went home and that night got an email asking why i had banned someone. LOL i was stunned..i could not remember anything in the last 18 hours whatsoever. I knew i must have done somethings bc i had the paperwork but that was it. Talked to my doctor and he said with the temperature i had and the dehydration from running around in the heat without drinking fluids the rhovane acted like at least a double dose on me.

That my blood and therefore the medicine in it was so concentrated it was like much more, clearing and metabolizing wouldn't occur as normal etc.

jmo

Want to add to the painkiller issue: I think he wasn't "only" addicted but had to take them also against back problems.

Like I said above: Most time death is the result of several factors -- also coincidence most times plays its role.

[CinderL.]

what I keep wondering is why did he think he only had signed up for 10 and ended up with 50 shows..did he not read the contract right or what..10 and 50 is a huge difference and he even said he did not think he could do it..

And, if this attny. that the Jackson's have hired, had worked for MJ for 3 yrs.....why didn't he read the contract and advise MJ???? I wouldn't hire this guy.

[aproudmom]

These are 2 different subjects imo. One is that I think he was in a good condition. Second is to blame it on the doc which I don't find correct. Most time death is caused by several factors.

I do not think it will be 1 doctor but I could be wrong...I am sure they will be checking every doctor that was in his life for years to see just what or who was providing meds and if they were in his name and not others..

[VC2]

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25705377-26397,00.html

Haven't seen this mentioned. No injection before death according to the Dr. that was there.

That makes sense, and as the LAPD say he is free to go and not a suspect, it likely matches the autopsy result of fresh needle marks. Michael might have taken something on his own but it seems strange given how happy he was and that day was going to be the last rehearsal before they flew to london. If i was michael i would have taken whatever i needed at night lol

Apparently he is the one who told the family they needed to get an autopsy, he could not understand why he died.

[sunstar]

what I keep wondering is why did he think he only had signed up for 10 and ended up with 50 shows..did he not read the contract right or what..10 and 50 is a huge difference and he even said he did not think he could do it..

I still have a lot of questions about that too. I can't imagine what happened when he signed the contract unless he didn't read it thoroughly and maybe a lawyer misrepresented what was in it?

[emdragon]

eta when i say he was not sickly, i mean he the "frail sickly" image of 3 years ago that is all we have seen of him lately.

I still think he was addicted to prescription painkillers but was in a catch 22 bc he also had pain, but imo he had reduced the amount he was taking as well as getting fit.

One thing, if drugs were in his system and he had danced and worked for 6-8 hours at the full dress rehearsal the night before, without stopping for lots of liquids...it is quite possible that they killed him not because of the dose but because of the dehydration. The more dehydrated you are, the more medication ends up concentrated in the system and can have the effect of twice a dose.

I got the flu but didn't realize it, i was devastated from a death, then my car got killed, then other things and it was a wildly hot august day. I take rhovane to sleep every other night. Well i went and did what i needed to safety the beater i got, then went home and that night got an email asking why i had banned someone. LOL i was stunned..i could not remember anything in the last 18 hours whatsoever. I knew i must have done somethings bc i had the paperwork but that was it. Talked to my doctor and he said with the temperature i had and the dehydration from running around in the heat without drinking fluids the rhovane acted like at least a double dose on me.

That my blood and therefore the medicine in it was so concentrated it was like much more, clearing and metabolizing wouldn't occur as normal etc.

jmo

Didn't even have to be the drugs that killed him- if he was dehydrated chances are his postium level were low and that can cause Cardiac arrest all by itself.

[aproudmom]

And, if this attny. that the Jackson's have hired, had worked for MJ for 3 yrs.....why didn't he read the contract and advise MJ???? I wouldn't hire this guy.

I have not read anything about the lawyer yet..guess it is up thread so I will check it out..

[mrsmcgoo]

Interesting Dateline show on now! Thanks Analyzer!~

Anxieity and sleeping medication found in house.

[4Life]

I don't know why but my daughter is hysterical that her father and I are going to watch the BET Awards. :laugh:

Guess she thinks we're old and nerdy. Guess she never saw us moonwalk. :tonguewag:

Some oldies are suppose to on there tonight

2 mins to go

[aproudmom]

That makes sense, and as the LAPD say he is free to go and not a suspect, it likely matches the autopsy result of fresh needle marks. Michael might have taken something on his own but it seems strange given how happy he was and that day was going to be the last rehearsal before they flew to london. If i was michael i would have taken whatever i needed at night lol

Apparently he is the one who told the family they needed to get an autopsy, he could not understand why he died.

yep they said he was allowed to leave..and if he does have it in his system I am sure they will look into it..

[VC2]

joe jackson grieving father.

How are you tonight sir?
A: GREAT!

I know its been a tough couple of days for you
A: well yes it has been, we just lost the biggest superstar the world has seen.

barf

that was from cnn, then a spokesman was going to read a statement but the storm wiped out my signal for a while.

ETA and if michael heard him i bet he comes down and haunts him every night for the rest of his life. i would if it was my dad

IMO

[mrsmcgoo]

Dr. being reported as sad. He is getting death threats. He inherited the problems...all via Dr.'s lawyer. (dateline)

[4Life]

BET Awards has started

[who_is_it]

I do not think it will be 1 doctor but I could be wrong...I am sure they will be checking every doctor that was in his life for years to see just what or who was providing meds and if they were in his name and not others..

You're right, they will be checking every doctor who gave him prescriptions.

[Lyvia]

Why then did he want to apologise to Michael?

I get goosebumps when I read what the media did to this man. It's brave that he published the truth about the methods of the British media empire.

http://www.terrygeorge.co.uk/home/?topic=76

I guess you'd have to ask him. It seems he regrets that the article was sensationalized.

And don't invoke the whole "empire." He had no issue with the Examiner. Just the Sun. The Examiner story (http://terrygeorge.co.uk/home/?topic=837) is on his site here. In it, in a story dated 2005, he says that Jackson was "lewd" in a telephone conversation with him when he was 13. Says the not guilty verdict doesn't mean his name was cleared. He said the trial raised a lot of questions.

Don't trust me. Go to the link. He didn't debunk the story about Michael Jackson speaking sexually with him on the phone. He confirms it. He just complains about one paper's sensationalized treatment of that story.

[aproudmom]

BET is on..

[4Life]

Tributes have started already on the awards

[who_is_it]

Lawyer for doctor: Jackson had pulse when found


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_michael_jackson

contradicting to:

"We're told when paramedics arrived Jackson had no pulse and they never got a pulse back."

http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/25/michael-jackson-dies-death-dead-cardiac-arrest/

[annalyzer]

According to MJ's doctors lawyer MJ requested the doctor sit by his bed while he slept. The doctor had left the room for a moment and when he came back in MJ wasn't breathing. He was still warm. He started cpr while MJ was on the bed and placed one hand under him and used the other hand to compress his chest ~ that MJ was a very frail person. The children did not witness this. The doctor did not give him Demerol or Oxycontin.

[vonna]

We lost the biggest superstar, not I just lost my son. How sad. :crying:

He told the truth. Isn't it obvious that his son just represented a living to him??

[Mayasmimi]

BET Awards has started

Thanks for the heads up. Just found it. Jamie Foxx is no Michael Jackson, but he's trying.

[4Life]

Wow the group that was just on was the New Edition. The lead singer of that group was on drugs bad but looks like he's back.

He looked better
Jamie Foxx doing MJ moves

[aproudmom]

omg Jamie Fox kills me...he sure is not MJ:laugh:

[True2Blues]

We lost the biggest superstar, not I just lost my son. How sad. :crying:

He'll probably start auctioning off the things he had removed from the house tomorrow. It wouldn't surprise me.

[4Life]

omg Jamie Fox kills me...he sure is not MJ:laugh:

he is funny

[annalyzer]

Wow the group that was just on was the New Edition. The lead singer of that group was on drugs bad but looks like he's back.

ETA: Jamie Foxx is NUTS


What channel is that on Athena?

[who_is_it]

I guess you'd have to ask him. It seems he regrets that the article was sensationalized.

And don't invoke the whole "empire." He had no issue with the Examiner. Just the Sun. The Examiner story (http://terrygeorge.co.uk/home/?topic=837) is on his site here. In it, in a story dated 2005, he says that Jackson was "lewd" in a telephone conversation with him when he was 13. Says the not guilty verdict doesn't mean his name was cleared. He said the trial raised a lot of questions.

Don't trust me. Go to the link. He didn't debunk the story about Michael Jackson speaking sexually with him on the phone. He confirms it. He just complains about one paper's sensationalized treatment of that story.

With British media - actually - kingdom I meant the mentioned tabloids: The Sun, NOTW... and the Mirror which broke the story today. I could be wrong but I believe the trashy 3 belong all to Rupert Murdoch.

I've read "the Examiner" article. I'm always critical about media reports and got a bad impression of "the Examiner" in the past. One doesn't know if he really said this.

Nevertheless your right: Terry George did NOT say that there were no inappropriate phone calls. He neither denied nor confirmed that the phone calls were inappropriate.

[True2Blues]

He told the truth. Isn't it obvious that his son just represented a living to him??


Which is why he wants the children, he probably thinks the money will go to them. He never was a nice person.

[4Life]

What channel is that on Athena?

Its called BET Channel

[aproudmom]

I guess you'd have to ask him. It seems he regrets that the article was sensationalized.

And don't invoke the whole "empire." He had no issue with the Examiner. Just the Sun. The Examiner story (http://terrygeorge.co.uk/home/?topic=837) is on his site here. In it, in a story dated 2005, he says that Jackson was "lewd" in a telephone conversation with him when he was 13. Says the not guilty verdict doesn't mean his name was cleared. He said the trial raised a lot of questions.

Don't trust me. Go to the link. He didn't debunk the story about Michael Jackson speaking sexually with him on the phone. He confirms it. He just complains about one paper's sensationalized treatment of that story.

Well guess I missed this never even heard of the guy..

[GentleBreeze]

According to MJ's doctors lawyer MJ requested the doctor sit by his bed while he slept. The doctor had left the room for a moment and when he came back in MJ wasn't breathing. He was still warm. He started cpr while MJ was on the bed and placed one hand under him and used the other hand to compress his chest ~ that MJ was a very frail person. The children did not witness this. The doctor did not give him Demerol or Oxycontin.

It seems MJ was terrified of dying or dying alone. Wanting the doctor to watch him so he could sleep. Was MJ even afraid to go to sleep?

How tragic if true.

imo

[aproudmom]

What channel is that on Athena?

329 on my satellite

[Mayasmimi]

I have Direct TV. 329.

[Lyvia]

<snip> He neither denied nor confirmed that the phone calls were inappropriate.
False.

He said Michael Jackson was "lewd" on the phone with him. He was 13.

That's inappropriate.

[annalyzer]

I have VZ Fios - so my channel is 270 / BET

Oh well, I just have basic cable. :bored:

[who_is_it]

Dr. being reported as sad. He is getting death threats. He inherited the problems...all via Dr.'s lawyer. (dateline)

I feel so sorry for the doctor. Can't say anything about him but he looks like a nice man.

He's so unlucky. He just worked for Mike for 11 days and thought it's the opportunity of a life time.

I'm not surprised to read crazy people threaten him.

:rose: for the doc!

[aproudmom]

It seems MJ was terrified of dying or dying alone. Wanting the doctor to watch him so he could sleep. Was MJ even afraid to go to sleep?

How tragic if true.

imo

Grace said he feared dying..read it last night..

[GentleBreeze]

He told the truth. Isn't it obvious that his son just represented a living to him??

Yes, his biggest and brightest star was his meal ticket.

I have never liked Joe Jackson.

imo

[4Life]

Oh well, I just have basic cable. :bored:

BET is usually part of basic cable

[who_is_it]

False.

He said Michael Jackson was "lewd" on the phone with him. He was 13.

That's inappropriate.

"The Examiner" reports he said so. Like I said before: I don't know how reliable this source is.

[4Life]

They said coming up soon A special MJ Tribute

[Lyvia]

"The Examiner" reports he said so. Like I said before: I don't know how reliable this source is.

And he put that story undisputed on his personal website.

That's confirming and reporting inappropriate calls from Jackson. When he was that magic age--13.

[Mayasmimi]

Oh well, I just have basic cable. :bored:


Maybe you can find it on Hulu later.

[GentleBreeze]

That is sooo sad! Maybe MJ knew he was dying ??

I thought about that Athena. He would know if something was different. If the pain was in his chest or a pain that he didn't have everyday. I think MJ worried this day would come for a long time now and he knew lately he was pushing himself to the limits and beyond.

imo

[sunstar]

We lost the biggest superstar, not I just lost my son. How sad. :crying:

That seems to be how he thought of Michael throughout his life. In an interview I watched on MSNBC Michael himself described how he'd be beaten if his dance steps and singing weren't perfect. Very sad, imo. :crying:

[aproudmom]

I feel so sorry for the doctor. Can't say anything about him but he looks like a nice man.

He's so unlucky. He just worked for Mike for 11 days and thought it's the opportunity of a life time.

I'm not surprised to read crazy people threaten him.

:rose: for the doc!

The family should put a stop to it..all they would have to do is make a statement but right now I guess they are blaming him so they would not do that..but Dale Earnhardt Jr had to tell the fans to please stop the death threats on sterling Marlin even though his dad and Marlin was just racing the fans wanted him dead..it got bad until Jr. ask for it to stop for his Dad

[4Life]

I hope so - can't sit through this. Don't like award shows. Usually tape them so can skip through what I don't want to see.

They said soon but not how soon. LOL

[aproudmom]

I hope so - can't sit through this. Don't like award shows. Usually tape them so can skip through what I don't want to see.

I got to agree my kiddos just came in and said MOM WHAT ARE YOU WATCHING..they know me well..I feel so old I do not know any of these artist

[annalyzer]

I was trying to watch it online, don't want to go downstairs to watch, but livestream has a problem, to many people signed on to site:rolleyes:


Can you link me?

[annalyzer]

I just had everything disconnected except basic and I get BET. Toward the end - channel 19, 22?


Nope, just shopping networks here.

[aproudmom]

He treated MJ like a possession instead of a son and drove him very hard -- always had to rehearse and was not able to play with other children other than his siblings. :(

and called him big nose..

[who_is_it]

It seems MJ was terrified of dying or dying alone. Wanting the doctor to watch him so he could sleep. Was MJ even afraid to go to sleep?

How tragic if true.

imo

Where did you get the information from that he wanted the doc to be in his bedroom? I'm meanwhile confused with all these different versions, I don't get them together anymore.

I don't think he knew he would die. Allegedly he wanted to go to the dance center and had already packed his things.

[sunstar]

He treated MJ like a possession instead of a son and drove him very hard -- always had to rehearse and was not able to play with other children other than his siblings. :(

He also was verbally abusive about Michael's appearance, saying things like "you didn't get that from my side of the family" in reference to Michael's nose, his face, and so forth. These are Michael's own words from the interview on MSNBC I watched. MOO

[who_is_it]

According to MJ's doctors lawyer MJ requested the doctor sit by his bed while he slept. The doctor had left the room for a moment and when he came back in MJ wasn't breathing. He was still warm. He started cpr while MJ was on the bed and placed one hand under him and used the other hand to compress his chest ~ that MJ was a very frail person. The children did not witness this. The doctor did not give him Demerol or Oxycontin.

What's the source of the information?

[GentleBreeze]

I got to agree my kiddos just came in and said MOM WHAT ARE YOU WATCHING..they know me well..I feel so old I do not know any of these artist

I am really surprised though there is a lot of young people that are MJ fans.

imo

[mrsmcgoo]

I saw the post that Janet has been named executor and someone questioned if she could stand up to Joe. I certainly hope so. From here forward anything that is/was Michael's should belong to his children. MO

Yes, exactly! I think Janet has been successful on her own and she will have good people around her to make this work.

I pray this much will happen.

JMO

[Mayasmimi]

I had completely forgotten about this song. Well done by whoever this artist is.

[sunstar]

and called him big nose..

All of that could be very psychologically damaging to a child or teenager. :crying: MOO

[GentleBreeze]

Where did you get the information from that he wanted the doc to be in his bedroom? I'm meanwhile confused with all these different versions, I don't get them together anymore.

I don't think he knew he would die. Allegedly he wanted to go to the dance center and had already packed his things.

I think it was on the Dateline special.

I was talking about that morning. How he felt then. He may have known something was very wrong. Oh I have no doubt his heart was excited and he couldn't wait to leave for London.

imo

[who_is_it]

He's been MJ's doctor for 3 years.

I didn't know he worked for him since 3 years. Then he had the full time job only for 11 days.

[GentleBreeze]

All of that could be very psychologically damaging to a child or teenager. :crying: MOO

It was demeaning, cruel, abusive behavior.

All children want and need their father's approval. I think MJ felt he never could achieve it with his father. A father is also supposed to be there to support their child and encourage them to let them know they love them.

I don't think MJ every felt affection from his father.

imo

[who_is_it]

And he put that story undisputed on his personal website.

That's confirming and reporting inappropriate calls from Jackson. When he was that magic age--13.

This time I agree with you. Why would he put it on his website without any comment that it's false if it wasn't false?!

[Cardinal]

I had completely forgotten about this song. Well done by whoever this artist is.

Yes. And finally, I'm crying.

[aproudmom]

See and everyone had him MIA when he actually did not go on the run from talking to LE...heck he had to get a lawyer he knew what was about to happen..but here it says he was there when the family was there..I think they may see this Doctor alone did not kill their son he just so happened to have been there and they want answers now do they not understand in all cases it takes 4 to 8 weeks usually to get tox reports....they all knew he was was on painkillers

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25703467-26397,00.html
Dr Murray, who had moved into Jackson's rented mansion this month, rode in the ambulance and stayed at the hospital for hours, "comforting and consoling the Jackson family", Ms Sevcik said.

Another member of the rehearsal, magician-comedian Ed Alonzo, added: "He didn't even take a moment to grab a bottle of water or take a rest. He went from one number to the other -- 'Let's do that again'.

"He looked great and had great energy. He wasn't singing at full level, but it was as beautiful asever."

[GentleBreeze]

----------------

I just read another article where it says MJ collapsed on the floor in the living room. His son was with him but he thought MJ was just pretending. So whats the truth?

The media always has conflicting stories. I guess we will have to wait and see.

I would prefer that MJ was in the bed sleeping and his children never saw him in dire straights.

imo

[mrsmcgoo]

What's the source of the information?

I am not Analyzer, but I heard the same. It was on Dateline tonight.

[aproudmom]

omg I had not seen Travis Barker since the plane crash he survived..

[Mayasmimi]

Is that Travis Barker playing the drums? Yes, it is.

[4Life]

omg I had not seen Travis Barker since the plane crash he survived..

Was just saying that,
he healed nicely

[who_is_it]

I am really surprised though there is a lot of young people that are MJ fans.

imo

In his worst times after the trial I imported a MJ shirt (bad tour 1988 with Pepsi logo; not the bad shirt everyone knows) from an US ebay seller. Shipping was more expensive than the shirt.

Yesterday I was asked by a very young guy if we could switch shirts. :D

[sunstar]

It was demeaning, cruel, abusive behavior.

All children want and need their father's approval. I think MJ felt he never could achieve it with his father. A father is also supposed to be there to support their child and encourage them to let them know they love them.

I don't think MJ every felt affection from his father.

imo

No wonder as an adult is seems Michael wanted to live the childhood he never had. :sad: MOO

[Cardinal]

I cried too - he was good but he's not MJ :(

No, no one is. But it's really touching, more than touching, the tribute they're giving him tonight.

[aproudmom]

The media always has conflicting stories. I guess we will have to wait and see.

I would prefer that MJ was in the bed sleeping and his children never saw him in dire straights.

imo

I had read 1 report he was in the living room all others have been in his bedroom..and unless he had a bed in the living room why would they move him to a bed or his bedroom..I don't know the truth but I am guessing he was found unconscious in his bed..jmo

[GentleBreeze]

See and everyone had him MIA when he actually did not go on the run from talking to LE...heck he had to get a lawyer he knew what was about to happen..but here it says he was there when the family was there..I think they may see this Doctor alone did not kill their son he just so happened to have been there and they want answers now do they not understand in all cases it takes 4 to 8 weeks usually to get tox reports....they all knew he was was on painkillers

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25703467-26397,00.html
Dr Murray, who had moved into Jackson's rented mansion this month, rode in the ambulance and stayed at the hospital for hours, "comforting and consoling the Jackson family", Ms Sevcik said.

Another member of the rehearsal, magician-comedian Ed Alonzo, added: "He didn't even take a moment to grab a bottle of water or take a rest. He went from one number to the other -- 'Let's do that again'.

"He looked great and had great energy. He wasn't singing at full level, but it was as beautiful asever."

I think I also read that it was the personal doctor that recommended the second autopsy too so he sure has nothing to hide imo.

This is so sad.......MJ was just pushing himself too hard.

"The night before he died Jackson had danced at the Staples Centre in a four-hour rehearsal for the 50 shows he was to give in London from next month.

The presence of officials from the concert promoter AEG had pressured or inspired him to execute an "extraordinary" set of 12 songs, leaving him "dripping and in pain". The family believe the next morning he would have been in extreme discomfort.

But people who helped Jackson rehearse said he was happy and working hard. "

[annalyzer]

Where did you get the information from that he wanted the doc to be in his bedroom? .

The doctors lawyer said that on Dateline tonite.

[mrsmcgoo]

----------------

I just read another article where it says MJ collapsed on the floor in the living room. His son was with him but he thought MJ was just pretending. So whats the truth?

This was address by the lawyer also tonight on Dateline. The claims are NOT true of MJ's son seeing him and thinking he was pretending. The child was not there according to the Dr.'s lawyer.

That is not to say that the lawyer is not doing damage control and some of these things are true. We all have seen how lawyers defend their clients, even the guilty ones....Baez comes to mind...

[aproudmom]

No, no one is. But it's really touching, more than touching, the tribute they're giving him tonight.

ITA Cardinal

[Mayasmimi]

Was just saying that,
he healed nicely

He is touring with Blink182 in a few months. Imagine that.

[Citygirl]

He's been MJ's doctor for 3 years.


I thought it was reported his LAWYER had been with him for 3 years..the doctor only recently..11 days only.

[GentleBreeze]

I had read 1 report he was in the living room all others have been in his bedroom..and unless he had a bed in the living room why would they move him to a bed or his bedroom..I don't know the truth but I am guessing he was found unconscious in his bed..jmo

I agree. That may become the correct story. It makes more sense.

imo

[kellabeck]

I saw the interview with Dr. Murray's lawyer on DATELINE. The lawyer was obviously authorized to tell his side of the events leading to Jackson's death (taking the media heat off Murray to speak out?).

According to the lawyer, Dr Murray was sitting in Jackson's upstairs bedroom while Jackson slept (at Jackson's request, and as he often did.)

Dr Murray said he left the room for a few minutes and when he returned he checked on Jackson and found he wasn't breathing. He was warm and he had a faint pulse.

Wow. That's amazing. The doctor just happens to leave the room and at that very moment, Jackson stops breathing.

This is sounding more and more like Anna Nicole Smith with every new detail.

[aproudmom]

This was address by the lawyer also tonight on Dateline. The claims are NOT true of MJ's son seeing him and thinking he was pretending. The child was not there according to the Dr.'s lawyer.

That is not to say that the lawyer is not doing damage control and some of these things are true. We all have seen how lawyers defend their clients, even the guilty ones....Baez comes to mind...

thank you for posting that..glad to hear his son did not see him like that..I for one see no reason for his lawyer to lie about what room he was in..all they would do is ask the kids

[GentleBreeze]

I thought it was reported his LAWYER had been with him for 3 years..the doctor only recently..11 days only.

I know we all have read so much it is getting confusing but I recall that he started seeing the doctor in 2006 and this doctor has even treated MJs children when they needed a doctor.

imo

[4Life]

No wonder as an adult is seems Michael wanted to live the childhood he never had. :sad: MOOSome one today said it, think it was Gladys Knight?, that Michael lost his freedom at 9

[4Life]

Hubby's laughing at me -- I'm looking at whoever this is "singing" and making a face - hubby just bust out laughing. I love R&B but don't like this hip-hop stuff.

Don't know who it is either
Hey did I see Auroa(SP) from star trek in the audience?

They showed Joe Jackson and he just has a mean look on his face

[annalyzer]

I had read 1 report he was in the living room all others have been in his bedroom..and unless he had a bed in the living room why would they move him to a bed or his bedroom..I don't know the truth but I am guessing he was found unconscious in his bed..jmo

The lawyer on Dateline said that was a false report. MJ was in bed.

[4Life]

LOL Jamie Foxx is having trouble walking in those MJ pants

[TunaMelt]

Some one today said it, think it was Gladys Knight?, that Michael lost his freedom at 9

In many ways, he was very lucky. To be "free" to play in Gary Indiana was and is a dangerous thing.

His loss of freedom might have saved his life.

[4Life]

OK - what's with the chain around this guy's neck -- "BIG A** CHAIN" :ohmy:

Oh you didn't like? I was going to send you one for Christmas

[who_is_it]

I saw the interview with Dr. Murray's lawyer on DATELINE. The lawyer was obviously authorized to tell his side of the events leading to Jackson's death (taking the media heat off Murray to speak out?).

According to the lawyer, Dr Murray was sitting in Jackson's upstairs bedroom while Jackson slept (at Jackson's request, and as he often did.)

Dr Murray said he left the room for a few minutes and when he returned he checked on Jackson and found he wasn't breathing. He was warm and he had a faint pulse.

Wow. That's amazing. The doctor just happens to leave the room and at that very moment, Jackson stops breathing.

This is sounding more and more like Anna Nicole Smith with every new detail.

For sure it sounds strange. He just left the room, then he stopped to breathe. Nevertheless I don't think there was any foul play. Reasons are:

1. Why would somebody be interested in killing him BEFORE the shows started? If he hadn't rehearsed I could see a motive but not at a point he did full run-throughs.

2. The doctor was Michael's or maybe the "Nation of Islam's" choice -- not the choice of the promoters.

3. My subjective impression is: The promoter Randy Phillip and specially his manager Frank Dileo are really nice people -- maybe Frank was one of the few honest people in his life.

I MUST log out now. I feel I get a board addiction again which I was suffering from some years ago.

[4Life]

Oh Beyonce made it there, I just saw her in the audience
At least I think it was her

[GentleBreeze]

I saw the interview with Dr. Murray's lawyer on DATELINE. The lawyer was obviously authorized to tell his side of the events leading to Jackson's death (taking the media heat off Murray to speak out?).

According to the lawyer, Dr Murray was sitting in Jackson's upstairs bedroom while Jackson slept (at Jackson's request, and as he often did.)

Dr Murray said he left the room for a few minutes and when he returned he checked on Jackson and found he wasn't breathing. He was warm and he had a faint pulse.

Wow. That's amazing. The doctor just happens to leave the room and at that very moment, Jackson stops breathing.

This is sounding more and more like Anna Nicole Smith with every new detail.

Death can happen at anytime. Doesn't mean someone has to be there when it does.

I believe this doctor totally.

I had sat by my mother's bedside for almost 36 hours straight and then went home to get a nap. She passed away about 10 minutes after I walked out of that hospital. There is no expiration time stamp telling us when someone's time is up.

imo

[aproudmom]

I know this has nothing to do with MJ and his Dr. but I was in my doctors office waiting to be seen the girl in the next room was there all the time to get a IV for something she had this same drug many many many times this time she collapsed on the floor all I saw was my old timer doc who I love to death running in the room he tried and tried to give her CPR her throat had closed up of course a small town rumors of wrong meds and so on which I knew was not my doctor come to find out for some reason she had a reaction to this medication she had been taking for along time..My doctor sat in that floor for almost a hour he tried to save her she was only 20 something her B/F was going to ask her to marry him..My doctor was never the same he was in his upper 60s but still able to practice very healthy he retired a couple months ago I know that bothered him he thought he should have been able to save her..so things can happen people can take something 1 time 20 times and we just do not know what can happen..sorry O/T but I am just wondering if this doctor did no wrong he tried to save MJ and even told them to continue even though he was gone he did not want to stop..maybe it was not just cause he was scared he did wrong..maybe he was a friend and a doctor and hey maybe not I will just wait to see...

[Mayasmimi]

OK - what's with the chain around this guy's neck -- "BIG A** CHAIN" :ohmy:

Yeah...TPain is a little over the top.

Two observations about this, a show I've never watched. Actually, I don't really care for awards shows in the first place.

1. Lots of bleeping
2. Not alot of folks are dressed for an awards show

Guess I am getting old.

[mrsmcgoo]

http://www.miamiherald.com/entertainment/AP/story/1118570.html

Joe Jackson stating he and his wife are in charge! Yikes, I was afraid of this, for the children's sake.

[4Life]

Wow Beyonce is there, she looks good
I like this song
I hope she sings that song she dedicated to MJ "Halo"

[sunstar]

I saw the interview with Dr. Murray's lawyer on DATELINE. The lawyer was obviously authorized to tell his side of the events leading to Jackson's death (taking the media heat off Murray to speak out?).

According to the lawyer, Dr Murray was sitting in Jackson's upstairs bedroom while Jackson slept (at Jackson's request, and as he often did.)

Dr Murray said he left the room for a few minutes and when he returned he checked on Jackson and found he wasn't breathing. He was warm and he had a faint pulse.

Wow. That's amazing. The doctor just happens to leave the room and at that very moment, Jackson stops breathing.

This is sounding more and more like Anna Nicole Smith with every new detail.
(bolding mine)

This is the part that seems almost unbelievable, or surreal. MOO

[4Life]

Yeah...TPain is a little over the top.

Two observations about this, a show I've never watched. Actually, I don't really care for awards shows in the first place.

1. Lots of bleeping
2. Not alot of folks are dressed for an awards show

Guess I am getting old.

Yeah, BET awards have always been unformal(is that a word) and very relaxed

[VC2]

We lost the biggest superstar, not I just lost my son. How sad. :crying:

that was infuriated me. I understand not showing your emotions in public, i have defended many a family member on these boards who ppl think are guilty bc they are to composed on the news, but this was way beyond that.

cant even call him my son. and it scares me rotten that his family will be in charge of mj's estate.

[4Life]

I said that a bit earlier. I tape them so I can skip through what I don't like.

Beyonce looks beautiful as she always does.She looks good for just flying in from out of the country. Think she was in Spain or some place like that

[Mayasmimi]

I said that a bit earlier. I tape them so I can skip through what I don't like.

Beyonce looks beautiful as she always does.

She is gorgeous and amazingly talented. I don't get the meaning of the funky wedding dress.

Do like the way she has combined the two songs.

[4Life]

This is a touching performance, IMO

[kellabeck]

Death can happen at anytime. Doesn't mean someone has to be there when it does.

I believe this doctor totally.

I had sat by my mother's bedside for almost 36 hours straight and then went home to get a nap. She passed away about 10 minutes after I walked out of that hospital. There is no expiration time stamp telling us when someone's time is up.

Your mother was in a HOSPITAL. One presumes she was gravely ill (my condolences) and that's why you stayed at her bedside.

Jackson was SLEEPING. In his own bed. All he should have been was tired. He was only 50.

Now, of course, it's possible-- although extremely odd imo -- that it happened the way the lawyer says the doctor said. OR the event began after the doctor administered a shot of Demerol, as has been reported. In which case, it's understandable that the doctor is trying to avoid criminal responsibility.

[magnolia]

I had completely forgotten about this song. Well done by whoever this artist is.

What song was it? Thanks.

[kellabeck]

(bolding mine)

This is the part that seems almost unbelievable, or surreal. MOO

Thank you. You, too. My eyebrows shot up when I heard that little tale.

[who_is_it]

The NY Post story is likely not to be true / source unreliable for another detail which has nothing to do with his death:

"That morning, Jackson had been packing up his things in preparation to go to London for an upcoming series of 50 concerts there."

http://www.nypost.com/seven/06282009/news/nationalnews/jacko_sons_tragic_trance_176550.htm

They didn't plan to go to London at this time. There were more rehearsal dates scheduled at the Staples Center.

[aproudmom]

Death can happen at anytime. Doesn't mean someone has to be there when it does.

I believe this doctor totally.

I had sat by my mother's bedside for almost 36 hours straight and then went home to get a nap. She passed away about 10 minutes after I walked out of that hospital. There is no expiration time stamp telling us when someone's time is up.

imo

sorry to hear about your mother and ITA same thing happen to me with my poppy

but I do have a timestamp darn it says NEVER...they don't want me..

[kellabeck]

All the more recent reports said he did NOT administer demerol and he would be silly to lie about that because it would come out in the toxicology reports

Also according to Miko Brando MJ rehearsed this same morning a couple of hours before

All the more recent reports by whom, please? I hadn't heard that.

I understood that Jackson rehearsed the night before and was due back that afternoon/evening. You're saying he also rehearsed THAT MORNING? Do you mean just after midnight or are you saying breakfast time??

[~layla~]

http://www.miamiherald.com/entertainment/AP/story/1118570.html

Joe Jackson stating he and his wife are in charge! Yikes, I was afraid of this, for the children's sake.

I too am :ohmy:

[who_is_it]

All the more recent reports said he did NOT administer demerol and he would be silly to lie about that because it would come out in the toxicology reports

Also according to Miko Brando MJ rehearsed this same morning a couple of hours before - he may have taken too much pain medication -- we just don't know at this point

I'm meanwhile more than confused. Why would he rehearse in the (early) morning if he rehearsed until late night?

And yes, it would be silly to lie about the demerol.

[GentleBreeze]

Your mother was in a HOSPITAL. One presumes she was gravely ill (my condolences) and that's why you stayed at her bedside.

Jackson was SLEEPING. In his own bed. All he should have been was tired. He was only 50.

Now, of course, it's possible-- although extremely odd imo -- that it happened the way the lawyer says the doctor said. OR the event began after the doctor administered a shot of Demerol, as has been reported. In which case, it's understandable that the doctor is trying to avoid criminal responsibility.

TY

What I mean though, Kella, is we cannot predict the time a person will have a cardiac arrest. One of my best friends was standing there talking with his mom in the living room and she just toppled over like turning off a light right in front of his eyes. She was dead before he even had the chance to try and catch her fall and she was 54 with no history of heart disease.

MJ may have been 50 but he had just done 12 grueling songs and dance routines. MJ puts out much more energy than an average person. So with all of his ailments already he would have been extremely tired and in great pain the next day imo.

imo

[kellabeck]

I'm getting the feeling that fans are reluctant to believe that Jackson's abuse of narcotics might well be the cause of death.

There's a great deal of evidence of his addiction to narcotics over many years and I predict that the toxicology report will confirm that narcotics caused his death, with his anorexia as a contributing factor. But that's JMO.

[Citygirl]

Can't some agency come in and do something to protect those kids..with Joe bein so forceful and proclaiming his importance..I am very afraid for the children..

..and don't y'all think the family were stealing pricey items from the house and puttin them in big moving vans..to sell what they can as fast as they can..creditors or what Michael's wishes in his will be damned?

[GentleBreeze]

sorry to hear about your mother and ITA same thing happen to me with my poppy

but I do have a timestamp darn it says NEVER...they don't want me..

Well we want you here anyway so that is good to know.:smile:

[who_is_it]

<snipped>

Jackson was SLEEPING. In his own bed. All he should have been was tired. He was only 50.

<snipped>



See what I replied to your post on page 5. He was only 50 means nothing imo. There were many stress factors -- physical stress factors and imo mostly mental stress factors. Maybe he also took prescription drugs.

[annalyzer]

See what I replied to your post on page 5. He was only 50 means nothing imo. There were many stress factors -- physical stress factors and imo mostly mental stress factors. Maybe he also took prescription drugs.

I believe the lawyer on dateline said he was taking antidepressants.

[Mayasmimi]

What song was it? Thanks.

Well, I figured out Ne Yo sang it, but cannot come up with the name of the song. An old Michael Jackson tune. Not one of the better known. Ne Yo sounded so much like Michael.

[kellabeck]

TY

What I mean though, Kella, is we cannot predict the time a person will have a cardiac arrest. One of my best friends was standing there talking with his mom in the living room and she just toppled over like turning off a light right in front of his eyes. She was dead before he even had the chance to try and catch her fall and she was 54 with no history of heart disease.

MJ may have been 50 but he had just done 12 grueling songs and dance routines. MJ puts out much more energy than an average person. So with all of his ailments already he would have been extremely tired and in great pain the next day imo.

I concede that it's possible. BUT when a seemingly healthy person suddenly suffers a fatal cardiac event, I do believe that the autopsy reveals the physical effects: ruptured artery or blocked arteries, for example.

By what the ME said, I think those things were NOT present in Jackson and that's why they were deferring a determination until the tox screen is done.

It was my impression that a natural event was not apparent, making my scenario more likely, I do believe.

[aproudmom]

All the more recent reports by whom, please? I hadn't heard that.

I understood that Jackson rehearsed the night before and was due back that afternoon/evening. You're saying he also rehearsed THAT MORNING? Do you mean just after midnight or are you saying breakfast time??

I heard he rehearsed late the night before and the family was quoted as saying he would have been in alot of pain if he had rehearsed the way they said the night before I am sure the link is up thread all the people who said he was great the night before and did not want to stop to even get a drink of water...then I have heard he had complained of chest pains don't know if true I think at this point kell we just do not know..

[kellabeck]

Miko Brando said he rehearsed until about 12:00~ 12:30 am

That makes sense. Still the event happened midday, so that's at least 12 hours later.

[4Life]

LOL her co speaker is in the rest room
Auroa from Star Trek Michele Nicholas

[kellabeck]

I heard he rehearsed late the night before and the family was quoted as saying he would have been in alot of pain if he had rehearsed the way they said the night before I am sure the link is up thread all the people who said he was great the night before and did not want to stop to even get a drink of water...then I have heard he had complained of chest pains don't know if true I think at this point kell we just do not know..

So you lean to natural causes, then? Too much rehearsing, too much stress caused a heart attack?

[~layla~]

MediaTakeOut.com just EXCLUSIVELY uncovered some EXPLOSIVE news. Apparently Michael Jackson's doctor, Dr. Conrad Murray is NOT CERTIFIED by the American Board of Internal Medicine to practice internal medicine. And get this, he's not a board certified cardiologist either

What exactly does this mean? Well doctors are NOT REQUIRED to be Board certified to practice medicine. But just about EVERY TOP NOTCH doctor is.

And the story gets even more interesting, Dr. Murray's Board certification expired in late 2008, that means that when he was hired BY THE PROMOTERS to care for Michael Jackson - they SHOULD HAVE KNOWN that they were hiring a NON-CERTIFIED doctor.

There are a WHOLE LOT MORE twists to this story - so stay tuned ..

[who_is_it]

I can't imagine MJ "packing up his things," can you?

Like I said: source unreliable.

But in general I could imagine he would have packed up things on his own (and not let his staff do). He also went shopping on his own.

[GentleBreeze]

I'm getting the feeling that fans are reluctant to believe that Jackson's abuse of narcotics might well be the cause of death.

There's a great deal of evidence of his addiction to narcotics over many years and I predict that the toxicology report will confirm that narcotics caused his death, with his anorexia as a contributing factor. But that's JMO.

First, I am not a fan of MJs however I do recognize his amazing talents and think he was probably the best entertainer in the world.

I haven't seen anyone that thinks narcotics couldn't be involved but I think there are other stress factors too.

I think he had pushed his heart to overload with the exertion he was doing. Yes I have no doubt he was taking prescriptions for pain and may have taken more due to his body aching in places he didn't even know he had. It had been years since MJ had pushed himself to endure this much physical activity. And if he wasn't hydrated then that too can be a factor.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

I concede that it's possible. BUT when a seemingly healthy person suddenly suffers a fatal cardiac event, I do believe that the autopsy reveals the physical effects: ruptured artery or blocked arteries, for example.

By what the ME said, I think those things were NOT present in Jackson and that's why they were deferring a determination until the tox screen is done.

It was my impression that a natural event was not apparent, making my scenario more likely, I do believe.

It is very customary for a ME to hold off until tox test are back before even completing the official autopsy report. He could have had a heart condition but they need to know if the drugs were a contributing factor.

imo

[aproudmom]

I concede that it's possible. BUT when a seemingly healthy person suddenly suffers a fatal cardiac event, I do believe that the autopsy reveals the physical effects: ruptured artery or blocked arteries, for example.

By what the ME said, I think those things were NOT present in Jackson and that's why they were deferring a determination until the tox screen is done.

It was my impression that a natural event was not apparent, making my scenario more likely, I do believe.

as far as I know did they even give a cause of death? cardiac arrest? IIRC they did not even say that usually when they release it they will wait for all the tox test to come back I can not believe as sick as he has been at times in his life he did not have some sort of other health problems..have ya watched Dr G. there is alot to a autopsy and alot can be found but does not mean 1 thing killed someone could be several things..I totally see what your saying kell I am just not sure we know everything the ME found it is a open investigation so they sure did not give to much the other day..in the full report it will have every little thing they found..

[sunstar]

Thank you. You, too. My eyebrows shot up when I heard that little tale.

I followed the ANS saga after her death and I thought of the same thing you did with that "stepping out of the room for a minute" part. :smile: MOO

[sunstar]

It is very customary for a ME to hold off until tox test are back before even completing the official autopsy report. He could have had a heart condition but they need to know if the drugs were a contributing factor.

imo

I've been wondering just why he had an "on duty" cardiologist if there wasn't some pre-existing condition, but at the same time that doctor would be able to sign off the death certificate and even avoid autopsy. Maybe he didn't have anything wrong with his heart or would the way things were done here be because of MJ's celebrity? :confused:

[who_is_it]

Joe Jackson in an interview with CNN, using words like "doing great", "fantastic" and introducing a new record label... -- 3 days after the death of his son!

http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/28/joe-jackson-i-dont-like-what-happened/

[frances1]

I believe the lawyer on dateline said he was taking antidepressants.

He and several million other people.

[4Life]

Wow I feel old, I remember some of these songs from back in the day

[4Life]

as far as I know did they even give a cause of death? cardiac arrest? IIRC they did not even say that usually when they release it they will wait for all the tox test to come back I can not believe as sick as he has been at times in his life he did not have some sort of other health problems..have ya watched Dr G. there is alot to a autopsy and alot can be found but does not mean 1 thing killed someone could be several things..I totally see what your saying kell I am just not sure we know everything the ME found it is a open investigation so they sure did not give to much the other day..in the full report it will have every little thing they found..

Nope they didn't give a cause of death yet

[annalyzer]

He and several million other people.


Of course. But we're talking about MJ and the drugs he may have been taking before he died.

[Mayasmimi]

I thought much of this awards show would be about MJ.

Currently seems more like a tribute to R&B and Hip Hop from the 90s.

May have to give up.

[who_is_it]

He and several million other people.

I'm totally against psychotropic drugs. They don't solve problems, just treat the symptoms.

[GentleBreeze]

Joe Jackson in an interview with CNN, using words like "doing great", "fantastic" and introducing a new record label... -- 3 days after the death of his son!

http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/28/joe-jackson-i-dont-like-what-happened/

What a piece of work.

It has always been about the dollar and it still is.:cursing:

imo

[CinderL.]

Joe Jackson in an interview with CNN, using words like "doing great", "fantastic" and introducing a new record label... -- 3 days after the death of his son!

http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/28/joe-jackson-i-dont-like-what-happened/

What a slime ball.

[4Life]

I thought much of this awards show would be about MJ.

Currently seems more like a tribute to R&B and Hip Hop from the 90s.

May have to give up.

I'm thinking the main tribute will be towards the end or middle

[~layla~]

I've been wondering just why he had an "on duty" cardiologist if there wasn't some pre-existing condition, but at the same time that doctor would be able to sign off the death certificate and even avoid autopsy. Maybe he didn't have anything wrong with his heart or would the way things were done here be because of MJ's celebrity? :confused:

The "doctor" is usually part of the tour with many musicians.

but see my post about 5 up... doc was not board cert at the time...

[who_is_it]

MediaTakeOut.com just EXCLUSIVELY uncovered some EXPLOSIVE news. Apparently Michael Jackson's doctor, Dr. Conrad Murray is NOT CERTIFIED by the American Board of Internal Medicine to practice internal medicine. And get this, he's not a board certified cardiologist either

What exactly does this mean? Well doctors are NOT REQUIRED to be Board certified to practice medicine. But just about EVERY TOP NOTCH doctor is.

And the story gets even more interesting, Dr. Murray's Board certification expired in late 2008, that means that when he was hired BY THE PROMOTERS to care for Michael Jackson - they SHOULD HAVE KNOWN that they were hiring a NON-CERTIFIED doctor.

There are a WHOLE LOT MORE twists to this story - so stay tuned ..

One has to be careful with this kind of information. I believe if it was true another news outlet would have already reported about it.

I guess many bloggers use the death of Michael Jackson to draw attention to their blog (imo).

[sunstar]

Joe Jackson in an interview with CNN, using words like "doing great", "fantastic" and introducing a new record label... -- 3 days after the death of his son!

http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/28/joe-jackson-i-dont-like-what-happened/

I'm not that surprised. :sad:

[GentleBreeze]

He and several million other people.

True and Dr. Wecht said that over 4,000 people a year die from an overdose of prescription drugs. We just don't hear about the majority because they aren't superstars.

imo

[4Life]

Someone singing one of his songs now

[who_is_it]

So is Tom Cruise. :wink:

Maybe the only thing Tom and I have in common...

[sunstar]

The "doctor" is usually part of the tour with many musicians.

but see my post about 5 up... doc was not board cert at the time...

I just read it ~ thanks. :smile:

[~layla~]

One has to be careful with this kind of information. I believe if it was true another news outlet would have already reported about it.

I guess many bloggers use the death of Michael Jackson to draw attention to their blog (imo).

media takeout is a normal celeb news outlet....

[MiamiNice1]

Joe Jackson in an interview with CNN, using words like "doing great", "fantastic" and introducing a new record label... -- 3 days after the death of his son!

http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/28/joe-jackson-i-dont-like-what-happened/

Yes, and also notice Joe NEVER says "my son." It's he's mourning the "greatest superstar," or the "biggest superstar of the world."

Telling, imo.

[GentleBreeze]

The "doctor" is usually part of the tour with many musicians.

but see my post about 5 up... doc was not board cert at the time...

I did read he was licensed in three states though, iirc.

Texas, California and Nevada (?)

[vonna]

I'm getting the feeling that fans are reluctant to believe that Jackson's abuse of narcotics might well be the cause of death.

There's a great deal of evidence of his addiction to narcotics over many years and I predict that the toxicology report will confirm that narcotics caused his death, with his anorexia as a contributing factor. But that's JMO.

I completely agree with your assessment. Shades of Anna Nicole Smith.

[Mayasmimi]

MO = Joe is not a nice person.

Something is seriously wrong with that man. I keep thinking about John Travolta, and how he and his family handled their grief after the death of their son. I'm not saying there's one correct way to grieve, but Joe Jackson doesn't seem to be grieving at all.

[4Life]

I did read he was licensed in three states though, iirc.

Texas, California and Nevada (?)

I read the same

[annalyzer]

Is this BET award show going to have anything about MJ?

[~layla~]

I did read he was licensed in three states though, iirc.

Texas, California and Nevada (?)

Ive read he was a Dr in those states at some point in his career, but I didnt read he was board certified in all of them. Do you have that link?

[Mayasmimi]

Is this BET award show going to have anything about MJ?

It's not looking good. Advertising it as a tribute to MJ sure didn't hurt their ratings. That is unfortunate.

[4Life]

Is this BET award show going to have anything about MJ?

Some people sang some of his songs
Suppose to be a big tribute sometime on here

[~layla~]

I completely agree with your assessment. Shades of Anna Nicole Smith.

I think its pretty simple to see he died of heart failure due to anorexia and extensive drug use.

Whoever doesnt see that just doesnt want to.
Just like the pedophilia cloud. Some just dont want it to be, so it isnt for them. Payoffs that large are not from innocent perpetrators. IMO

[4Life]

It's not looking good. Advertising it as a tribute to MJ sure didn't hurt their ratings. That is unfortunate.

When are the Grammys? I am sure they will have a huge tribute to him with all those grammys he won

[4Life]

I think its pretty simple to see he died of heart failure due to anorexia and extensive drug use.

Whoever doesnt see that just doesnt want to.
Just like the pedophilia cloud. Some just dont want it to be, so it isnt for them. Payoffs that large are not from innocent perpetrators. IMO

He had anorexia?

[who_is_it]

Yes, and also notice Joe NEVER says "my son." It's he's mourning the "greatest superstar," or the "biggest superstar of the world."

Telling, imo.

I noticed that, too. He said we lost "the biggest superstar" instead of "my son".

Btw, I believe Michael and some other family members were in an argument at the time of his death (for the breach of contract thing).

[annalyzer]

Some people sang some of his songs
Suppose to be a big tribute sometime on here

Hi 4Life! :wub:

[4Life]

MO - they are saving the "best till last" to keep people tuned in = ratings.

I'm thinking that too
Whatever they planned is suppose to make the show go about 30mins plus over time

[annalyzer]

He had anorexia?

The lawyer on Dateline said he didn't eat or drink, was very frail.

[4Life]

Hi 4Life! :wub:

Hi Anna
I said to you 3 threads ago lol

[4Life]

The lawyer on Dateline said he didn't eat or drink, was very frail.

Oh I missed that part. Thanks

[MiamiNice1]

I noticed that, too. He said we lost "the biggest superstar" instead of "my son".
It's like there is no bond. Just his fame.

And I'll hold myself back from commenting on the really, really DUMB looking earring this 80 (?) year old man is wearing. :rolleyes:

[annalyzer]

Hi Anna
I said to you 3 threads ago lol

Sorry, I'm trying to handle all these dogs, watch tv, keep checking back on that BET awards I have up on line and post here. :blushing:

[4Life]

He died of heart failure?

None of that has been released yet. Everyones making a guess. I am waiting for the final report

[aproudmom]

This is why they wanted a 2nd autopsy even though I am sure the first one will have every thing as far as his heart, lungs, brain, they just want a full report sooner..

A private pathologist hired by the Jackson family completed the second autopsy Saturday, the Los Angeles Times reported, citing unnamed people familiar with the case.

A second autopsy can allow the family to get some information about a death almost immediately, including signs of heart, brain or lung disease or fresh needle punctures, said Dr. Michael Baden, a medical examiner not involved in the Jackson case.

Usually if it looks normal with the naked eye, it looks normal under the microscope," said Baden, who recently performed a second autopsy on actor David Carradine.

http://www.modbee.com/24hour/news/story/761623.html

[MiamiNice1]

Oh I missed that part. Thanks
He was 5'10 and weighed a mere 126 pounds.

The nanny said something to the effect of "he ate little, but mixed much." (the drugs)

imo

[aproudmom]

Was that joe??

[who_is_it]

It's like there is no bond. Just his fame.

And I'll hold myself back from commenting on the really, really DUMB looking earring this 80 (?) year old man is wearing. :rolleyes:

Hahaha!

:D

[4Life]

Sorry, I'm trying to handle all these dogs, watch tv, keep checking back on that BET awards I have up on line and post here. :blushing:

I'm multi tasking also

[aproudmom]

He was 5'10 and weighed a mere 126 pounds.

The nanny said something to the effect of "he ate little, but mixed much." (the drugs)

imo

Was he a vegan?

[~layla~]

He died of heart failure?

Heart attack
cardiac arrest
cardiac infarction
heart stopped
etc...

that usually means the heart beat isnt there........ failure?

and for those questioning anorexia.... have you seen his body weight? have you heard others worried for his fragile state (prior to death, as in the last few years) ... he was also most likely body dysmorphic...

[4Life]

Was that joe??

Yeah, he finally cracked a smile

[MiamiNice1]

Was he a vegan?
I don't know - I've never heard any mention of that.

imo

[annalyzer]

I noticed that, too. He said we lost "the biggest superstar" instead of "my son".

Btw, I believe Michael and some other family members were in an argument at the time of his death (for the breach of contract thing).


What really pizzes me off is that he (allegedly) called that beautiful little boy "big nose". Whippings, etc. I can forgive, it happened to me, but to make fun of his son and demean him in that way is really low. :mad:

eta: I only know this happened by posts here. I've not seen any links to this.

[Imperfect4]

He was 5'10 and weighed a mere 126 pounds.

The nanny said something to the effect of "he ate little, but mixed much." (the drugs)

imo

Hi MN1!

I've been gone all weekend and am trying to catch up. Can you let me know where you folks are getting your info? (The nanny, etc.)

Thanks much. :wub:

[SDMermaid]

And it looks like MJ didn't sign the contract so now the doctor won't get maid his money. Why in the heck would some hire a doctor and spend $300,000 a month for him to travel with him if he was in good health???



If he has been representing MJ for the last 3 yrs., he would be the last person I would hire. I don't think he did a great job for MJ. IMO

[~layla~]

I don't know - I've never heard any mention of that.

imo

I dont think he has ever mentioned anything to that effect. I think Janet has publically said she was vegetarian... or vegan, not sure which.

[Mayasmimi]

Heart attack
cardiac arrest
cardiac infarction
heart stopped
etc...

that usually means the heart beat isnt there........ failure?

and for those questioning anorexia.... have you seen his body weight? have you heard others worried for his fragile state (prior to death, as in the last few years) ... he was also most likely body dysmorphic...


So are you saying it's what he died from, but not what killed him?

That's what I think.

[4Life]

What really pizzes me off is that he (allegedly) called that beautiful little boy "big nose". Whippings, etc. I can forgive, it happened to me, but to make fun of his son and demean him in that way is really low. :mad:

eta: I only know this happened by posts here. I've not seen any links to this.

I have heard all of that for years and it still makes me mad to this day

[aproudmom]

It's like there is no bond. Just his fame.

And I'll hold myself back from commenting on the really, really DUMB looking earring this 80 (?) year old man is wearing. :rolleyes:

:lol: I will stay away from that also..

[flipflop]

What really pizzes me off is that he (allegedly) called that beautiful little boy "big nose". Whippings, etc. I can forgive, it happened to me, but to make fun of his son and demean him in that way is really low. :mad:

eta: I only know this happened by posts here. I've not seen any links to this.


MJ told that story in the interview with Deepak. Sorry, I can't remember his last name.

[MiamiNice1]

Hi MN1!

I've been gone all weekend and am trying to catch up. Can you let me know where you folks are getting your info? (The nanny, etc.)

Thanks much. :wub:
Hi Imp! :seeya: Been wondering where you've been!

I'm going to find the great link to a disturbing five page article/interview with the nanny (that coincidentally was slated right before the London Concerts Michael was to do). She was let go for the last time this past December 2008.

Be back with the link!

[~layla~]

So are you saying it's what he died from, but not what killed him?

That's what I think.

I think what killed him or made his heart stop was the heavy use of drugs.... mainly whatever he was taking for pain and or anxiety. Those do not mix well.
for examples see ANS, Heath Ledger, River Phoenix, Kurt Cobain, to name a few.

[annalyzer]

He had to pass a physical in order for the promotion company to get insurance prior to the tour in the event of illness, accident, etc.


It doesn't take much to pass a physical. He looked fine in those videos in the months before he passed but that doesn't mean internally he wasn't in the best of health.

[Mayasmimi]

Me too. I just wish they would get a move on - 4 to 6 weeks?

I assumed the main reason the family requested the second, private, autopsy was to speed things up. I read here last night, that tox results don't have to take so long.

[4Life]

Me too. I just wish they would get a move on - 4 to 6 weeks?

Yeah, I don't know why it takes that long

[~layla~]

MJ told that story in the interview with Deepak. Sorry, I can't remember his last name.

Chopra? (possibly)

[aproudmom]

I have heard all of that for years and it still makes me mad to this day

MJ said it himself..listened to it the other night

[MiamiNice1]

To Imperfect4:

Here are the links, graciously provided by aproudmom last night -the first link is the 5 page interview:


What nanny who worked for Michael Jackson saw
http://entertainment.timesonline.co....cle6591123.ece


Nanny reveals tragic secret life of Jackson
http://entertainment.timesonline.co....cle6591237.ece

[My Gal Sal]

I noticed that, too. He said we lost "the biggest superstar" instead of "my son".

Btw, I believe Michael and some other family members were in an argument at the time of his death (for the breach of contract thing).

OK, I have not commented on this before.... However, I must chime in here,,, That father (Joe Jackson) is digusting. No wonder MJ had problems. I am also on board with the people that believe that MJ was taken advantage of and probably did not abuse those children.

[who_is_it]

What really pizzes me off is that he (allegedly) called that beautiful little boy "big nose". Whippings, etc. I can forgive, it happened to me, but to make fun of his son and demean him in that way is really low. :mad:

eta: I only know this happened by posts here. I've not seen any links to this.

Just have this link how much he suffered from his looks:

"Michael explained that his face was so covered with acne and his nose so large at that time that visitors to the family home in Encino sometimes wouldn't recognize him. "They would come up, look me straight in the eye and ask if I knew where that 'cute little Michael' was." It was as if the "whole world was saying, 'How dare you grow up on us.' "

Michael said he started looking down at the floor when people approached or would stay in his room when visitors came to the house."

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-me-jackson-hilburn27-2009jun27,0,4897003.story

[flipflop]

Chopra? (possibly)


That sounds right. Thank you.:smile:

[GentleBreeze]

Ive read he was a Dr in those states at some point in his career, but I didn't read he was board certified in all of them. Do you have that link?

No I don't. All I know is what was said....that he was licensed in three states. So he was a legally recognized doctor. Do all doctors have to be board certified?

imo