6/28 to 6/29 -- #6

[4Life]

This guy just said that Joe is one of his heros :confused:

[sunstar]

He had to pass a physical in order for the promotion company to get insurance prior to the tour in the event of illness, accident, etc.

On Geraldo's show just a few minutes ago, it was said this physical was in February. This came from someone on his show. That's four months ago so anything could've happened since then. MOO

[~layla~]

To Imperfect4:

Here are the links, graciously provided by aproudmom last night -the first link is the 5 page interview:


What nanny who worked for Michael Jackson saw
http://entertainment.timesonline.co....cle6591123.ece


Nanny reveals tragic secret life of Jackson
http://entertainment.timesonline.co....cle6591237.ece

Ahhh thanks. I didnt think I could locate half the things Ive read in the last day or so.

[sunstar]

No I don't. All I know is what was said....that he was licensed in three states. So he was a legally recognized doctor. Do all doctors have to be board certified?

imo

I don't believe they have to be. MOO

[Mayasmimi]

I cannot believe Bill Cosby just called Joe Jackson and Al Sharpton his heroes!!!! Did I hear that correctly? Was on the phone.

:confused:

[vonna]

I used to have confidence in Dr. Baden. Now - MO - he's just a media you-know-what.

He lost all credibility in the Philip Spector case!

[4Life]

I cannot believe Bill Cosby just called Joe Jackson and Al Sharpton his heroes!!!! Did I hear that correctly? Was on the phone.

:confused:

He did but thats not Bill Cosby
He is some old time music writer, forgot his name

[who_is_it]

OK, I have not commented on this before.... However, I must chime in here,,, That father (Joe Jackson) is digusting. No wonder MJ had problems. I am also on board with the people that believe that MJ was taken advantage of and probably did not abuse those children.

I predict it'll get really, really bad now.

They will sue the poor doctor, there will be fights about the heritage, maybe even suicides.

Minor issues will probably be wrong decisions about the unreleased music (His friend from the new record label didn't look too professional.)

The poor children. The Jacksons probably won't hire Grace who was like a mother to them.

[~layla~]

No I don't. All I know is what was said....that he was licensed in three states. So he was a legally recognized doctor. Do all doctors have to be board certified?

imo

No.
They only have to be if they claim to be.
Also what was said to be uncovered was the fact that the Dr's certification was out in late 08. Which would be mean he was practicing medicine without a license.

I forsee this as a problematic issue in the weeks to come if substantiated.

[Mayasmimi]

On Geraldo's show just a few minutes ago, it was said this physical was in February. This came from someone on his show. That's four months ago so anything could've happened since then. MOO


I was wondering about the date of the physical. Reason being, my Mom passed a physical for employment/insurance at age 52. She died at age 53. She was diagnosed with CHF a few months after passing the exam and just died. No real warning. Only three years older than MJ.

[aproudmom]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1195843/Did-Michael-Jackson-want-white.html

Photographs of the cute, fresh-faced child with the big Afro hairstyle bear little resemblance to the man Michael Jackson became in later life.

Was he trying to turn himself into a white man? It certainly seemed so.

His paranoia about his appearance stemmed from childhood. Apparently, one of his father's insults was to call him Big Nose.

[~layla~]

If it wasn't a known fact that Michael had a heart condition or other conditions I don't understand why people would expect the doctor to be board certified in cardiology or internal medicine. Monday morning quarterbacking? :shrug:

Im not expecting anything.
It was widely reported that the Dr was a cardiologist. I think people are now snooping around and finding out some things they are told are not true. That is all.

[Mayasmimi]

He did but thats not Bill Cosby
He is some old time music writer, forgot his name

Seriously????

[4Life]

Ok, BET is giving more of a tribute to the o jays than MJ
Guess MJs will be at the end, they need to hurry up

[MiamiNice1]

Ahhh thanks. I didnt think I could locate half the things Ive read in the last day or so.
The nanny article is the most eye-opening piece of information to date, imo. Well worth the read.

[aproudmom]

No.
They only have to be if they claim to be.
Also what was said to be uncovered was the fact that the Dr's certification was out in late 08. Which would be mean he was practicing medicine without a license.

I forsee this as a problematic issue in the weeks to come if substantiated.

WHAT he did not have a license to practice he had a office right?

[4Life]

Seriously????

Seriously, that was not Bill Cosby. they said his name and who he was before he came out. I can't remember his name

Whatever his name was he did say Joe and Al are his heros

Oh that is the host from Soul Train
Don Cornelius

[emdragon]

Joe Jackson in an interview with CNN, using words like "doing great", "fantastic" and introducing a new record label... -- 3 days after the death of his son!

http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/28/joe-jackson-i-dont-like-what-happened/

Why does Joe Jackson need a lawyer at an awards show?

This man and his comments on the red carpet make me the saddest I've been since Thursday..

[Imperfect4]

To Imperfect4:

Here are the links, graciously provided by aproudmom last night -the first link is the 5 page interview:


What nanny who worked for Michael Jackson saw
http://entertainment.timesonline.co....cle6591123.ece


Nanny reveals tragic secret life of Jackson
http://entertainment.timesonline.co....cle6591237.ece

Thank you so much! And you, too, aproudmom. :smile:

Off to :read:

[Mayasmimi]

Ok, BET is giving more of a tribute to the o jays than MJ
Guess MJs will be at the end, they need to hurry up

I know. Have a headache.

[~layla~]

WHAT he did not have a license to practice he had a office right?

IDK all the details. There is just some info out there (link to mediatakeout) that says his license expired in late 08.

Said to have prev practiced in TX and NV .. and I guess CA since that happens to be where this all took place.

[annalyzer]

OK, I have not commented on this before.... However, I must chime in here,,, That father (Joe Jackson) is digusting. No wonder MJ had problems. I am also on board with the people that believe that MJ was taken advantage of and probably did not abuse those children.


I believe MJ was attracted to young teen boys. To me it was obvious. But from what I have seen I blame the parents of those boys more than I do MJ.
I'll never forget when I first got a computer in Sept. 03 and seeing MJ's mugshot for the first time. I was shocked and saddened. At what he'd done to himself and what he had become.
I believe those boys told mostly the truth but the parents were after money and basically pimped their sons out. I bet the jury thought the same.
MJ went away and memories faded. It was a complete shock to me that he had passed. I will remember MJ as the beautiful young man performing and singing Billie Jean. May he RIP

[4Life]

OK remember this was already a scheduled program and they "fit" MJ in.

Yeah, you are right, this was a last minute thing

So you are also right that it is prob at the end

[aproudmom]

You are GOOD !!!!! :thumbsup: I think Dunlurken's description of you was spot on. "Googlemaniac" LOL

thank ya..anytime I could have posted tons of links but figured 1 was enough..but did listen to a interview the other night and MJ was talking about his father and he said himself he called him that...which may explain just why MJ never felt he looked good enough and it just got way out of hand

[~layla~]

Why does Joe Jackson need a lawyer at an awards show?

This man and his comments on the red carpet make me the saddest I've been since Thursday..

Cause he is an idiot?

[My Gal Sal]

PLEASE - When you get a chance read this. I wish the media would publish both sides to these allegations and I really hope everyone reads it.
I am actually looking for a way to get in touch with Spike Lee -- would love him to do an MJ documentary with the disputed facts.

THE ANATOMY OF A SCAM

http://surftofind.com/seminal1

Thanks Athena2, Makes it sound so reasonable that they were out to scam MJ and Jordan Chandler now recanting his accusation is even more reason to believe MJ is innocent..... Yhe number of highly respected people that are supporting him is also a reason for doubt. I mean Deepak Chopra, Cher, Celine..and so many others... Surely they can't all be wrong.

[~layla~]

I believe MJ was attracted to young teen boys. To me it was obvious. But from what I have seen I blame the parents of those boys more than I do MJ.
I'll never forget when I first got a computer in Sept. 03 and seeing MJ's mugshot for the first time. I was shocked and saddened. At what he'd done to himself and what he had become.
I believe those boys told mostly the truth but the parents were after money and basically pimped their sons out. I bet the jury thought the same.
MJ went away and memories faded. It was a complete shock to me that he had passed. I will remember MJ as the beautiful young man performing and singing Billie Jean. May he RIP

I know there is some type of "code" but I would love to know the true stories the Coreys (haim and feldman) and Macauly Caulkin have to say about their time spent there. If they werent famous or at some point they decide their fame isnt an issue. They spent copious amounts of time at Neverland. Also Id like Lisa Marie to tell the whole truth about her marriage to him, including why she never moved her children into Neverland.

[sunstar]

I was wondering about the date of the physical. Reason being, my Mom passed a physical for employment/insurance at age 52. She died at age 53. She was diagnosed with CHF a few months after passing the exam and just died. No real warning. Only three years older than MJ.

Exactly and sadly, these things do happen.

:rose: for you and may your Mom rest in peace

[GentleBreeze]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1195843/Did-Michael-Jackson-want-white.html

Photographs of the cute, fresh-faced child with the big Afro hairstyle bear little resemblance to the man Michael Jackson became in later life.

Was he trying to turn himself into a white man? It certainly seemed so.

His paranoia about his appearance stemmed from childhood. Apparently, one of his father's insults was to call him Big Nose.

I don't think so. Michael seemed to be proud that he was black and gave to many black organizations.

I think he was paranoid that his face had the big white splotches on it and it was even showing on his chest, arms and hands. I think he wanted to even out his skin tone. Michael probably felt it looked even worse than it really did.

imo

[aproudmom]

IDK all the details. There is just some info out there (link to mediatakeout) that says his license expired in late 08.

Said to have prev practiced in TX and NV .. and I guess CA since that happens to be where this all took place.

o ok and it was 3 states and IIRC it was CA..I would think he could get arrested for that alone if he had meds in his car or on him..if he could not practice :confused:

[My Gal Sal]

Don't want to mislead you -- we are still waiting for confirmation or denial of that blog that said JC recanted. It may be a hoax by MJ fans and I sent it to TMZ to check out, but please make sure you read that entire article when you get a chance.

Got it Athena2... will wait for confirmation. Thanks...I see you want the truth too.

[who_is_it]

I believe MJ was attracted to young teen boys. To me it was obvious. But from what I have seen I blame the parents of those boys more than I do MJ.
I'll never forget when I first got a computer in Sept. 03 and seeing MJ's mugshot for the first time. I was shocked and saddened. At what he'd done to himself and what he had become.
I believe those boys told mostly the truth but the parents were after money and basically pimped their sons out. I bet the jury thought the same.
MJ went away and memories faded. It was a complete shock to me that he had passed. I will remember MJ as the beautiful young man performing and singing Billie Jean. May he RIP

He was "attracted" to child stars imo.

"Most of Michael Jackson's closest friends had also been child stars"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/jun/26/michael-jackson-family-friends

[annalyzer]

I don't think so. Michael seemed to be proud that he was black and gave to many black organizations.


imo

Yet two of his children are white.

[who_is_it]

I don't think so. Michael seemed to be proud that he was black and gave to many black organizations.

I think he was paranoid that his face had the big white splotches on it and it was even showing on his chest, arms and hands. I think he wanted to even out his skin tone. Michael probably felt it looked even worse than it really did.

imo

He also liked (maybe also preferred) to be surrounded by black people.

[annalyzer]

He was "attracted" to child stars imo.

"Most of Michael Jackson's closest friends had also been child stars"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/jun/26/michael-jackson-family-friends

I'm speaking of the boys he was always seen with, slept in his bed, etc.

[GentleBreeze]

Yet two of his children are white.

I don't think MJ had to just want black children. I think he just wanted children.........the color of their skin did not matter to him.

imo

[who_is_it]

I'm speaking of the boys he was always seen with, slept in his bed, etc.

Yes, many of them child stars.

[4Life]

I don't think MJ had to just want black children. I think he just wanted children.........the color of their skin did not matter to him.

imo

He said in an interview that his dream was 2 adopt a boy and girl from every continent

[GentleBreeze]

He also liked (maybe also preferred) to be surrounded by black people.

Right, MJ seemed to see no color barrier.

He like blacks and he liked other races too.

imo

[MiamiNice1]

http://www.thewrap.com/article/michael-jackson-rehearsed-night-his-death_3960

She's on Geraldo now.
Sharon Waxman of TheWrap.com commenting on how weakened and emaciated MJ looked at the few rehearsals he did attend.

I cannot stand Geraldo and his whiteboard listing possible causes of death:

1) Natural
2) Suicide
3) Murder
4) Accidental

[GentleBreeze]

He said in an interview that his dream was 2 adopt a boy and girl from every continent

That would have been nice.

I remember Dale and Roy Rogers adopted many children that were different races.

imo

[4Life]

Right, MJ seemed to see no color barrier.

He like blacks and he liked other races too.

imoCorrect. In the same interview I mentioned before, he said he didn't care what race or color any of his children would be, and the same for the mothers(surogate)

[MiamiNice1]

On Geraldo:

"Autopsy Report: MJ was so thin, his body looked like a skeleton"

[flipflop]

I saw where you were all discussing MJ's son thought MJ was joking when he collapsed in the living room. Here is the link.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,529321,00.html

So, has this been said to be a false report?

[aproudmom]

No I don't. All I know is what was said....that he was licensed in three states. So he was a legally recognized doctor. Do all doctors have to be board certified?

imo

I am confused:confused: is he a licensed doctor or do we even know or is it just rumor he is not?? do you know GB

According to the vitals.com website, which allows patients to grade doctors, Dr. Murray completed medical school in 1989 at Meharry Medical College School Of Medicine in Nashville, Tn., and then an Internal Medicine residency at the same school in 1992.

He completed a Fellowship in cardiology in 1995 at the same school, as well as another a year later in Interventional Cardiology.

Dr Murray is affiliated with Doctors Hospital Tidwell in Houston, TX, Saint Rose Dominican Hospital in Henderson, NV, and St.Rose - Rose de Lima & Siena Campus.

His profile on the site lists him as an internal medicine specialist, specializing in Cardiology, and Cardiovascular Disease, while another site he is listed as working for Global Cardiovascular Associates in Las Vegas, NV.

Prior to his name being linked to the death of Jackson, Dr. Murray was described by patients on the vitals.com website as the “best cardiologist” and “one of the most caring doctors I have ever met”.

However, since his name has become public, the comment section has been flooded with messages of abuse from Jackson fans labeling the doctor a murder and questioning why has not talked to police yet.

[MiamiNice1]

That's Geraldo for you.....

Capone's "tomb," Afghan caves, and Katrina. MO = he's a joke.
Exactly, and don't forget his giving away top secret troop locations in Iraq. Ugh.

[GentleBreeze]

I'm speaking of the boys he was always seen with, slept in his bed, etc.

Which ones?

He had hundreds of kids at Neverland over the years that spent the night with him.

imo

[Mayasmimi]

:rose: for your mom

My best girlfriend (she did not die - thank God) had just completed a physical in September and received a clean bill of health. In November she collapsed on the kitchen floor and thank God her husband and her neighbor who is a Dr was home and was able to give her CPR until the paramedics arrived. She is 53 years old and has since had 3 surgeries and is doing OK now -- but was totally out of the blue.

Thank you.

Your friend is very fortunate. Happy to hear she is doing well. 53 is too young.

[4Life]

This woman just said that MJ is the only pop star to be in the guiness book of records for all his charities

never knew that

[aproudmom]

I saw where you were all discussing MJ's son thought MJ was joking when he collapsed in the living room. Here is the link.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,529321,00.html

So, has this been said to be a false report?

When you find out let us know..IIRC his lawyer said no his son was not in the room...

[annalyzer]

I like you so don't get me started. But please see my posts in the "child and custody" thread and then come back.


There are 165 posts there. I'm sure it wouldn't be off topic to respond to my post here. Do you disagree two of his children were white? I could care less what color they are. My point is he married two white women, two of his children are white when he could've just as well chosen a black sperm donor, and his skin metamorhped (sic) into white. Was that caused by a skin disease? I don't know. I haven't seen anyone else do that. :confused:

[Mayasmimi]

I think you're right, but what do you want to bet the "findings" will be different and we'll still be :confused: - MO. :)

I am very sure the results will be different.

[MiamiNice1]

National Enquirer coming out tomorrow:

Eerie January 2009 article predicting MJ would be dead in 6 months.

[VC2]

Unbelievable. The coroner with years and years of experience, who has the degrees says No Foul PLay and here is Geraldo suggesting that murder is a possibility. Poor Michael was sick, frail, fragile and thin. Sad to see so many making hay over his death. Also, the detectives say the Doctor is not a suspect. Far as I know with no Foul Play, no one is a suspect in a natural death. Look at him. There is no way he could have performed in the physical condition he was in and not having done this dancing for eight years. And here is Dr Braden calling a new catagory "death by entourage". I am losing my respect for the Dr Braden. This is horrible. Joe Jackson is a 78 year old man who is not in the best shape either. Whats this with the olde Nanny? Described now as former Nanny and folks want her to get custody of the kids. This looks like an ANS repeat with the RXs.

geraldo is a trashloid non reporter.

Murder my behind!

Bad physical condition? He has been training and working up to this tour for months. He had 6 hour physical, insurance company insisted on everything being checked, blood drawn too, done by the insurance company. Also coroner investigators said they were surprised at the stat of good health that MJ was in.

Drink lots of salt walter, or set up a saline IV while watching geraldo.

IMO

[who_is_it]

I saw where you were all discussing MJ's son thought MJ was joking when he collapsed in the living room. Here is the link.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,529321,00.html

So, has this been said to be a false report?

"(...) said Stacy Brown, a Jackson family biographer who has spoken extensively to the Jackson's relatives since he died Thursday."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,529321,00.html

Stacy Brown who always jumps on the money train when it comes to Michael Jackson wasn't there.

Jackson's relatives weren't there, either.

[GentleBreeze]

aproudmom,

I don't know but I think if he is listed as all of this that you put in your post then he must be very legitimate.

Since the news is constantly changing I am not putting too much into anything I am reading.

It will all become clearer in the coming days, weeks.


imo

[aproudmom]

You all know what at this time we just do not know what is true..here is more stuff so everyone is going to have to go with whatever they want to believe at this point we just have no clue what is the truth and what is bad reporting..

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,25705360-5001021,00.html
"The guard and the doctor picked him up and put him on the bed from the living room, and that's when they started CPR," Brown told the New York Post. Read the New York Post's full report

"The doctor said he was 'very pale and cold to the touch','" he added, citing what he was told by relatives.

While Dr Murray tried to revive Jackson, his security guard Tippy called Jacko's father Joseph, who was in Las Vegas. Joseph immediately started yelling for them to seek help.

"Joseph screamed at them to call for help," he said. "A huge commotion ensued about why 911 wasn't being called and why he wasn't getting help."

[Mayasmimi]

Seriously, that was not Bill Cosby. they said his name and who he was before he came out. I can't remember his name

Whatever his name was he did say Joe and Al are his heros

Oh that is the host from Soul Train
Don Cornelius

Thanks. After the tribute, when he came back on I realized, though he looked to Bill Cosby. Most likely wasn't him. Seriously? Don Cornelius. Looked more like Bill Cosby than Don Cornelius. My bad. Sorry for the confusion.:confused:

[Hannibal]

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/michael_jackson/2009/06/28/2009-06-28_jackson_weighed_112_pounds_at_death.html

hm....kinda small for a 50 year old man...

:thumbdown::thumbdown:

[incidentally]

There are 165 posts there. I'm sure it wouldn't be off topic to respond to my post here. Do you disagree two of his children were white? I could care less what color they are. My point is he married two white women, two of his children are white when he could've just as well chosen a black sperm donor, and his skin metamorhped (sic) into white. Was that caused by a skin disease? I don't know. I haven't seen anyone else do that. :confused:

Hi annalyzer,

I think she means this post:

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=13233675#post13233675

[annalyzer]

You all know what at this time we just do not know what is true..here is more stuff so everyone is going to have to go with whatever they want to believe at this point we just have no clue what is the truth and what is bad reporting..

"


The lawyer tonite said it wasn't true. I'll believe him until I hear otherwise from some official.

[4Life]

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/michael_jackson/2009/06/28/2009-06-28_jackson_weighed_112_pounds_at_death.html

hm....kinda small for a 50 year old man...

:thumbdown::thumbdown: Again, not believing any of that until the offical reports are released

[aproudmom]

I don't think so. Michael seemed to be proud that he was black and gave to many black organizations.

I think he was paranoid that his face had the big white splotches on it and it was even showing on his chest, arms and hands. I think he wanted to even out his skin tone. Michael probably felt it looked even worse than it really did.

imo

NO NO I was posting it cause his father called him big nose..not because of his skin

[Mayasmimi]

I know there is some type of "code" but I would love to know the true stories the Coreys (haim and feldman) and Macauly Caulkin have to say about their time spent there. If they werent famous or at some point they decide their fame isnt an issue. They spent copious amounts of time at Neverland. Also Id like Lisa Marie to tell the whole truth about her marriage to him, including why she never moved her children into Neverland.

All good points. Anyone know what Feldman meant just after MJs death? Said he was still close to the Jackson family...and he and his wife had recently attended a birthday party Janet had thrown for LaToya (IIRC). Said he hadn't talked to Michael since early this decade. I am very curious to know what Caulkin has to say, but he's not talking.

Oh well. This is so sad. Everything.

[aproudmom]

The lawyer tonite said it wasn't true. I'll believe him until I hear otherwise from some official.

I did not see it but I believe the ones that did and I am doing the same until I hear different there is going to be so many reports

[4Life]

MJ wasnt even attending rehearsals as per the lady on GR tonite. So the video of him at rehearsal is what? a scam? old old video? what?

Everyone else said he was there, sometimes coming late. They had the dancers on a show talking how he rehearsed with them

[vonna]

I don't think MJ had to just want black children. I think he just wanted children.........the color of their skin did not matter to him.

imo

Then why didn't he marry any black women?

[aproudmom]

For Corey Feldman, the show -- and music --- goes on

Corey Feldman -- Michael Jackson’s longtime friend, at least before they were estranged in 2001 -- is grieving over Jackson's death but says he is going ahead as scheduled with an eco-themed concert with his Pink Floyd-esque band Truth Movement at Universal City’s CityWalk at 9 p.m. Saturday.

Feldman, who continues to be a family friend of the Jacksons, appeared on the "Larry King Live" and "Today" shows Thursday and Friday to talk about the singer's passing, and took to his blogto express his thoughts. “As Michael taught me a long time ago, the show must go on,” Feldman wrote. “[Saturday’s show] will be a hard one to get through. But I will brave it and do the only thing I know how to do … perform.”
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/music_blog/2009/06/for-corey-feldman-the-show-goes-on.html

[~layla~]

And you know their stories were not the "true stories". GMAB!

I have no doubt they were true, but there will always be "those" with suspicious minds who insist otherwise. Total waste of valuable time, IMO.

MObolded by me...
whaaaaa?

What was Lisa Maries story of why her own children that she had shared custody of at the time, move into Neverland?

[4Life]

Michael Jackson's final rehearsal for his London concert tour was recorded in high definition video and audio on the eve of his death -- and could be released as the King of Pop's final album, sources said Sunday.

The rehearsals at the Staples Center in Los Angeles were taped by concert promotion company AEG Live to produce an album and DVD of what Jackson had billed his "final performance" tour called "This Is It," according to Sharon Waxman of the Hollywood blog TheWrap.com.

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/michael_jackson/2009/06/28/2009-06-28_michael_jacksons_final_rehearsal_for_london_con certs_may_be_released_as_final_al.html

[~layla~]

Again, not believing any of that until the offical reports are released

Okay, so you dont want to believe anything you consider negative .... but what happens when you see the the truth and some of these things being said good and bad are true?

[~layla~]

He is an old man who lost his son. :sad:

Thats why he needs a lawyer at his side? How does that make sense?
Also, Joe himself said he was mourning a legend. I didnt hear him say "his son".

[annalyzer]

Sorry Anna -- I don't want to be accused of spamming by some posters (not you) that love to report you for duplicating posts and I made quite a few that may address further argument as well.

Starting at p4 - Posts 133, 134, 140 and 143
P5 Post 165

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=355400&page=4


Oh I agree it's possible the children are biologically his. Not probable imo. Except for little Blanket. A dna test would answer the question. I also agree that he is their father no matter whose sperm was used. Is that what you was referring to?

[GentleBreeze]

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/michael_jackson/2009/06/28/2009-06-28_jackson_weighed_112_pounds_at_death.html

hm....kinda small for a 50 year old man...

:thumbdown::thumbdown:

This just makes me so sad and furious too.

I would say even when Michael was in his prime he never weighed more than 145 pounds. He has always been extremely thin and lean even when healthy.

Because of his tremendous exertion rehearsing he was shedding weight he could not afford to lose. Where in he*l where all the people around him that had to know he was killing himself trying to do this tour?:angry:

And why release all the personal descriptions of his body? I agree with Mike Huckaby..... none of this is anyone's business but the families yet he is exploited once again, even by the one who leaked this from either the ME office or LE. Everything is about the all mighty dollar these days. No one has respect for the dead anymore.

imo

[aproudmom]

Then why didn't he marry any black women?

does it matter?

[aproudmom]

he is currently licensed in california.



Http://www2.dca.ca.gov/pls/wllpub/wllqryna$lcev2.queryview?p_license_number=71169&p_lte_id=790

thank you..

[AlohaRainbow]

This is why they wanted a 2nd autopsy even though I am sure the first one will have every thing as far as his heart, lungs, brain, they just want a full report sooner..

A private pathologist hired by the Jackson family completed the second autopsy Saturday, the Los Angeles Times reported, citing unnamed people familiar with the case.

A second autopsy can allow the family to get some information about a death almost immediately, including signs of heart, brain or lung disease or fresh needle punctures, said Dr. Michael Baden, a medical examiner not involved in the Jackson case.

Usually if it looks normal with the naked eye, it looks normal under the microscope," said Baden, who recently performed a second autopsy on actor David Carradine.

http://www.modbee.com/24hour/news/story/761623.html
while dr baden is correct that *usually* if the gross exam looks normal, the microscopic exam of tissues looks normal also, i have seen an autopsy report where it was the microscopic exam which revealed the cause of death that wasn't apparent during the physical (gross) exam. in that case, it was myocarditis (inflammation of the tissues of the heart).

i'm waiting to hear the complete autopsy results -after all tests have been reported, including microscopic exam, toxicology, serum electrolytes and any other testing that may have been done.

[Mayasmimi]

OK...BET Awards. So almost every award winner has thanked Michael Jackson. Almost every performer has worked his name into their song.

I hope a real tribute is in the plans.

[4Life]

Okay, so you dont want to believe anything you consider negative ....

Nope, thats not what I said
I only rely on offical reports is what I said
Can be someting negative or postive said and I am only going to rely on a offical report

[GentleBreeze]

Oh I agree it's possible the children are biologically his. Not probable imo. Except for little Blanket. A dna test would answer the question. I also agree that he is their father no matter whose sperm was used. Is that what you was referring to?

That is true. It doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. In California if the father is known as the father for the first two years of the child's life then there is no refuting it after then. By law they are the legal father.

imo

[iamthegradua]

I heard his lawyer talking on television about how frail he was and that was all confirmed by the reporters covering the trial, so how did he manage to survive so long? (http://surftofind.com/reporter)


Any ideas, if the drugs killed him, it should have been a very long time ago.

[aproudmom]

I don't think MJ had to just want black children. I think he just wanted children.........the color of their skin did not matter to him.

imo

gosh darn you GB you just had to say that:tonguewag:
I agree it did not matter to him and why does it matter the color of his wife's skin or kids..love is not a color

[annalyzer]

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/michael_jackson/2009/06/28/2009-06-28_jackson_weighed_112_pounds_at_death.html

hm....kinda small for a 50 year old man...

:thumbdown::thumbdown:

Very sad and tragic. So he did wear a wig if he had lost most of his hair as reported. I wonder if that was because of his burns during the Pepsi commercial.

[aproudmom]

OFGS now I see what some of you were angry over..:cursing:

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/michael_jackson/2009/06/28/2009-06-28_jackson_weighed_112_pounds_at_death.html

[Mayasmimi]

Oh I agree it's possible the children are biologically his. Not probable imo. Except for little Blanket. A dna test would answer the question. I also agree that he is their father no matter whose sperm was used. Is that what you was referring to?


IMO...Blanket is the only child who might be his biological offspring, and I doubt that. Doesn't really matter. He was their Dad.

It's obvious the older children are caucasion, and if we are to believe what has been reported, Debbie Rowe has said so herself.

These little kids have lost there Father. So sad for them.

[GentleBreeze]

OFGS now I see what some of you were angry over..:cursing:

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/michael_jackson/2009/06/28/2009-06-28_jackson_weighed_112_pounds_at_death.html

:cursing::cursing:

Sickening. Sometimes I hate the media. I really do. They are like a bunch of vultures over a fresh road kill.

imo

[~layla~]

You're welcome.

He is also licensed in Nevada:

http://medboard.nv.gov/publicinfo.asp?sid=1036214075&record=0&l_person_id=7329&l_profession_id=1&l_license_id=7323&Last_Name=murray&First_Name=conrad

Thanks from me too.
Im glad they arent going to be able to pin that on the doc or the tour liability then.

[Mayasmimi]

Little Wayne? Yeah he needs that cross around his neck. Geesh. Have no idea what he's singing, because most of it is bleeped. Cannot be good. And....looks like his daughter is there, as he trotted her on stage when he won an award earlier this evening.

Great Dad.:rolleyes:

Just caught a lyric. He wants Miley Cyrus in three years, cause he doesn't descriminate. Oh, just remembered what Jamie Foxx said about Miley. This is entertaining?

[aproudmom]

Michael Jackson's father joins singers, actors in tribute at BET Awards

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/michael_jackson/2009/06/28/2009-06-28_michael_jacksons_father_speaks_out.html

[GentleBreeze]

OMG - does the media have any scruples left? This is horrific and did we really need all of this info :cursing:

NO, we didnt. It is none of our business, imo.

:cursing::mad:

[aproudmom]

OMG - does the media have any scruples left? This is horrific and did we really need all of this info :cursing:

I think it is sick if you ask me..

[4Life]

OMG - does the media have any scruples left? This is horrific and did we really need all of this info :cursing:

Isn't The Sun the paper that kept saying Elvis is alive and said that Diana was pregnant when she died?
Everything in this article is saying "reported by the sun"

[aproudmom]

Janet is there OMG

[4Life]

Janet Jackson on Stage

[Mayasmimi]

I think what happened was this was already scheduled and they just added their comments to acknowledge him and a couple of MJ's songs to the program. I have no doubt we will see a collective effort by artists doing a dedicated tribute to him.


You are correct. Just an observation. Big ratings for billing it as a tribute though. My dumb behind has watched all evening. Waste of time and I have a slamming headache as a result.

Janet Jackson now. Nice.

[4Life]

Janet Jackson on Stage

That was sad, you saw the tears in her eyes

The tribute has begun

[Mayasmimi]

OK. The reason I watched. Now.

[4Life]

This is nice, Michael said he loved this song the most

[4Life]

The audience is in tears

[4Life]

I guess Diana,Whitney and Justin didn't make it out there

[AlohaRainbow]

No.
They only have to be if they claim to be.
Also what was said to be uncovered was the fact that the Dr's certification was out in late 08. Which would be mean he was practicing medicine without a license.

I forsee this as a problematic issue in the weeks to come if substantiated.
it can be confusing, but board certification and state licensing are 2 different entities.
board certification is national, and goes with the physician even if he moves from one state to another. it's not required that any physician be baord certified in order to practice medicine.

each state (via the state's board of medical examiners) is responsible to license physicians who are then able to practice within that state as long their state license is current. a state's board of medical examiners is not involved in "board certification". if a physician moves to another state, he would need to become licensed in the new state, but if he is 'board certified", he retains his (national) board certification.

if you go here: http://medboard.nv.gov/default.asp
and enter his name, dr conrad murry is currently licensed as a medical doctor in nevada (original issued in 1999)

here is a link to american board of medical specialties website (you can check if a physician is board certifed by clicking "is your doctor certified?" on the left side of the home page
https://www.abms.org/

[MiamiNice1]

This is nice, Michael said he loved this song the most

Grrrrrr. I missed it - what song was that 4Life?

[annalyzer]

Janet Jackson on Stage


Dang it why didn't anyone tell me they were showing stuff about MJ. I caught the last minute.

[4Life]

Grrrrrr. I missed it - what song was that 4Life?

I'll be there

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6bARIaMhCM

[Mayasmimi]

The audience is in tears

Me too. Well done. I had no idea this was Michael's most loved song.

[aproudmom]

Jamie Foxx did amazing

[4Life]

Dang it why didn't anyone tell me they were showing stuff about MJ. I caught the last minute.

I told you

[MiamiNice1]

Thanks, 4Life and Athena! My curiosity was piqued!

[4Life]

Me too. Well done. I had no idea this was Michael's most loved song.

He said it in an interview once and so did Janet

[aproudmom]

I'll be there

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6bARIaMhCM

ok I can not stop crying over that one..

[4Life]

Jamie Foxx did amazing

Yes he did, he is a pretty good singer

[Mayasmimi]

Dang it why didn't anyone tell me they were showing stuff about MJ. I caught the last minute.

You didn't miss much. I viewed because I thought this was all Michael Jackson. Nope. The last song....very sweet. Made me cry, again.

Changing channel. Have had too much of this.

[4Life]

Neither did Usher but I do know Usher was in Paris and Justin was also out of the country. Guess they couldn't get a flight - Usher said this morning he was trying to even go standby ........ They'll make it up I'm sure.

I'm sure they will

[annalyzer]

I told you


I see someone gave the heads up upthread. I've had it on online but wasn't watching, waiting until they had something about MJ. So it wasn't very long, huh?

[AlohaRainbow]

IDK all the details. There is just some info out there (link to mediatakeout) that says his license expired in late 08.

Said to have prev practiced in TX and NV .. and I guess CA since that happens to be where this all took place.

he does have an active, current california license also (in addition to his current nevada license)

here's a link to the medical board of california's page to check for current license
http://www.medbd.ca.gov/lookup.html

[4Life]

I see someone gave the heads up upthread. I've had it on online but wasn't watching, waiting until they had something about MJ. So it wasn't very long, huh?

No, just a little talk from Janet and then the I'll be there song

But it was touching

[aproudmom]

Neither did Usher but I do know Usher was in Paris and Justin was also out of the country. Guess they couldn't get a flight - Usher said this morning he was trying to even go standby ........ They'll make it up I'm sure.

your right did not even think about it until you said that..Justin's wanting to do some of his tours along with other artist the last I heard

[legalmania]

ok I can not stop crying over that one..


This is just so sad, especially because he was so excited about his comeback. I think he really wanted to wow people. Michael put everything he had into what he did. From the kids to his fans it is just all so sad.

[4Life]

They haven't announced the funeral yet, have they? I know Farrahs is Tuesday

[aproudmom]

Has anyone read the books on him??

http://books.google.com/books?id=DEspWj_IN_UC&dq=michael+jackson&printsec=frontcover&source=bll&ots=W895CB0Eao&sig=b-q2dU8g2ZkvFCzeyQcLiSfvoKc&hl=en&ei=njZISrqvL4jmM63MlbMK&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=22

[4Life]

This is just so sad, especially because he was so excited about his comeback. I think he really wanted to wow people. Michael put everything he had into what he did. From the kids to his fans it is just all so sad.

Very sad. You can see in that press conference and the promo that was made, that he was very excited for this tour

[Mayasmimi]

ok I can not stop crying over that one..

Me either. Just listened. Teary, again. Just an amazing talent. So sorry he is gone.

[Mayasmimi]

OMG - does the media have any scruples left? This is horrific and did we really need all of this info :cursing:

No scruples. Tragic.

[legalmania]

They haven't announced the funeral yet, have they? I know Farrahs is Tuesday

I wonder if they'll have a private funeral and then a big memorial or just make the whole thing huge?

[annalyzer]

Has anyone read the books on him??

http://books.google.com/books?id=DEspWj_IN_UC&dq=michael+jackson&printsec=frontcover&source=bll&ots=W895CB0Eao&sig=b-q2dU8g2ZkvFCzeyQcLiSfvoKc&hl=en&ei=njZISrqvL4jmM63MlbMK&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=22


Awesome. Thanks!

[MiamiNice1]

Wow! Queen Latifah looks good!

imo
I just mentioned the same thing to my daughter. Wow.

[Mayasmimi]

He said it in an interview once and so did Janet


Almost a religious experience for me, listening to this song.

[legalmania]

Very said. You can se in that press conference and the promo that was made, that he was very excited for this tour

I remember one of the people from the media asked him if he could still do the moon walk, he replied " of course he can.

[4Life]

Do not watch this if you don't want to cry. Cinder posted this in the tributes thread. I have never seen this before and I don't recall ever hearing it before either.

He looks sooooo happy!!! Shows his inner-child for sure.

Smile / MJ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OgQxhAXu5g

That was a tear jerker

This not so sad but have you seen it? Its touching

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpOXAT1KM9Y

[annalyzer]

On ET now about MJ.

[Mayasmimi]

Do not watch this if you don't want to cry. Cinder posted this in the tributes thread. I have never seen this before and I don't recall ever hearing it before either.

He looks sooooo happy!!! Shows his inner-child for sure.

Smile / MJ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OgQxhAXu5g

Beautiful. Thank you Cinder.

[legalmania]

I wonder what she had done? lol.

imo

She was suppose to lose weight for one of those weight loss programs I guess she finally did it. I always thought she was pretty even with the weight.

[aproudmom]

Dad Joe Jackson: 'We Have Sole Authority'
Michael Jackson's father declared Sunday before the BET Awards that he and his wife have sole authority over their late son's affairs

http://www.thewrap.com/article/lastest-custody-battle-looms-over-jackson-kids_3962

:rolleyes:

[MiamiNice1]

I wonder what she had done? lol.

imo
lol! I do know she was a Jenny Craig spokesperson.

[Mayasmimi]

That was a tear jerker

This not so sad but have you seen it? Its touching

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpOXAT1KM9Y

Thank you. That was beautiful and amazing.

Side note. This song has been played so much with regard to Caylee Anthony. I always assumed Kathy Tracolli sang it. Thanks for clearing that up.

[legalmania]

Dad Joe Jackson: 'We Have Sole Authority'
Michael Jackson's father declared Sunday before the BET Awards that he and his wife have sole authority over their late son's affairs

http://www.thewrap.com/article/lastest-custody-battle-looms-over-jackson-kids_3962

:rolleyes:

Oh boy here we go, his son hasn't even been buried yet, I think it's up to the probate court.

[MiamiNice1]

So Joe's in control, huh? Something - IMO - Michael probably fought against his entire adult life.
I agree with you. Oh, the awful irony.

[aproudmom]

The Daddy what are these kids going to do with out him..they were his life..imo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7Etg1yOQXY&feature=related

[MiamiNice1]

It is awful. And should they really be in charge (which I somehow doubt) think of the havoc he can/will wreck with regard to Michael's children's estate. MO
I don't think Joe knows what he's talking about - sounds like he was just talking, trying to exert (control) authority over the situation.

We shall soon see.

imo

[annalyzer]

Don't forget the People magazine hits the newstands in the morning.

I'll probably forget. :glare:

[Mayasmimi]

The Daddy what are these kids going to do with out him..they were his life..imo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7Etg1yOQXY&feature=related

Awe. Thank you. Had never heard that song before.

[annalyzer]

Not on my ET channel

The show ET. It was on channel 8 or ABC.

[aproudmom]

I don't think Joe knows what he's talking about - sounds like he was just talking, trying to exert (control) authority over the situation.

We shall soon see.

imo

he seemed to like control for alot of years:sneaky:

[legalmania]

His Will and/or Trust will determine the outcome.

Sometimes even the will won't stand up in a court. I'm afraid of all the talk of drugs there gonna say he wasn't of sound mind.

[MiamiNice1]

he seemed to like control for alot of years:sneaky:
Exactly so! :thumbdown:

[Mayasmimi]

Jessie Jackson said something on LKL that touched me. For once. Not a fan. Just watching now, but this was Friday, I think.

"We are out of our joy and he is out of his pain."

[aproudmom]

Taped Jackson's Last Night Alive Could Be CD, DVD
“We have a live album in the can,” AEG official boasts.
Michael Jackson’s last rehearsal at the Staples Center on Wednesday, the eve of his death, was recorded in multi-camera, high-definition video and multi-track audio, and could be released as the performer’s last album, according to several people close to the now-defunct concert tour.
http://www.thewrap.com/article/michael-jackson-rehearsed-night-his-death_3960

and guess what ..OFGS can we get him laid to rest:rolleyes:

NBC to Air Martin Bashir's Jackson Interview
Network will broadcast "Living With Michael Jackson," which originally ran on ABC in 2003

NBC has acquired the rights to an edited, one-hour version of "Living with Michael Jackson" -- the 2003 ABC documentary hosted by Martin Bashir.

It will run Monday as a "Dateline NBC" special.

MSNBC has acquired rights to air the special up to 12 times. The cabler has already run it six times and plans the other six spread out among the next two weeks.
http://www.thewrap.com/article/weekend-scrambling-tv-programmers_3971

[FallenAngel♥]

Taped Jackson's Last Night Alive Could Be CD, DVD
“We have a live album in the can,” AEG official boasts.
Michael Jackson’s last rehearsal at the Staples Center on Wednesday, the eve of his death, was recorded in multi-camera, high-definition video and multi-track audio, and could be released as the performer’s last album, according to several people close to the now-defunct concert tour.
http://www.thewrap.com/article/michael-jackson-rehearsed-night-his-death_3960

and guess what ..OFGS can we get him laid to rest:rolleyes:

NBC to Air Martin Bashir's Jackson Interview
Network will broadcast "Living With Michael Jackson," which originally ran on ABC in 2003

NBC has acquired the rights to an edited, one-hour version of "Living with Michael Jackson" -- the 2003 ABC documentary hosted by Martin Bashir.

It will run Monday as a "Dateline NBC" special.

MSNBC has acquired rights to air the special up to 12 times. The cabler has already run it six times and plans the other six spread out among the next two weeks.
http://www.thewrap.com/article/weekend-scrambling-tv-programmers_3971
This reminds me of Elvis :sad:

[aproudmom]

Jessie Jackson said something on LKL that touched me. For once. Not a fan. Just watching now, but this was Friday, I think.

"We are out of our joy and he is out of his pain."

omg I agree so touching

[FallenAngel♥]

Unfortunately many artists make more money dead than alive. Would any of the proceeds go to his estate to help pay off his bills so that the children may get a trust set up for them? :(

IMO Joe Jackson's about to become a very rich man.

[aproudmom]

This reminds me of Elvis :sad:

I know :sad:

[legalmania]

Michael we will miss you, you were so loved

----------------
Now playing: Michael Jackson - In The Closet (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/michael_jackson/track/in_the_closet)
via FoxyTunes (http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/)

[tinkerbell]

Joe Jackson is already a very wealthy man. He doesn't need the money.

jmo

How did Joe Jackson become a wealthy man?

moo

[Mayasmimi]

For ratings.

I'll bet MJ fans will protest.

imo

I know I won't watch. What people will do for money amazes me.

[FallenAngel♥]

Joe Jackson is already a very wealthy man. He doesn't need the money.

jmo

LMBO............yeah ok.
IF he's so wealthy why didn't he help MJ keep neverland?

[Mayasmimi]

How did Joe Jackson become a wealthy man?

moo

Yeah Tink. It sure wasn't Jermaine or Tito. Just sayin.

With that said....I really believe Michael loved his Mom, Katherine.

[FallenAngel♥]

How did Joe Jackson become a wealthy man?

moo

Forcing his children to preform.

[tinkerbell]

Yeah Tink. It sure wasn't Jermaine or Tito. Just sayin.

With that said....I really believe Michael loved his Mom, Katherine.

I sincerely doubt his wealth came from his crane operator job in Gary, Indiana...

moo

[CinderL.]

[QUOTE=FallenAngel♥;13234200]IMO Joe Jackson's about to become a very rich man.[/QUOTE

Gosh, I hope you are wrong about that. He is such a scumbag. :cursing:

[tinkerbell]

Forcing his children to preform.

On the "backs" of his children; specifically, Michael.

moo

[emdragon]

How did Joe Jackson become a wealthy man?

moo

Not using Birth Control and fathering a brood of talented offspring!

[aproudmom]

Sorry but I am going off TOPIC and you all can deal with it:tonguewag:
I just want to thank you all for opening my eyes I have to admit I was not a big MJ fan and had him labeled as a pedo and a weirdo but it took his death and so many of you for me to see what good he did and I feel we have agreed on things we have disagreed on some things but we moved on past it and gave our opinions with respect and that speaks volumes to the people on this forum some of you such as Fallen Angel and legalmania and a few others I have posted with on other threads but have also found alot of new posters who have been a pleasure to post with ..so thank you all...I just wanted to say that and now I will get back on Topic..:wub:

[FallenAngel♥]

Yeah Tink. It sure wasn't Jermaine or Tito. Just sayin.

With that said....I really believe Michael loved his Mom, Katherine.

are you saying he didn't get rich off the Jackson 5?

Jackie, Tito, Jermaine, Marlon and Michael

[aproudmom]

Not using Birth Control and fathering a brood of talented offspring!

omg to funny:laugh:

[FallenAngel♥]

On the "backs" of his children; specifically, Michael.

moo

and Janet.......

[MiamiNice1]

I sincerely doubt his wealth came from his crane operator job in Gary, Indiana...

moo
:laugh: - Good one. That poster is very misguided!

[LILMANMAX]

I am overcome with pure grief over the loss of the world's greatest entertainer and the most misunderstood one. He was ridiculed beyond belief and was such a kind and caring soul. I pray the truth about Michael will now come out.

While I am not a fan of Joe, I truly believe he and Katherine should be in charge. It is quite obvious there were many nefarious and unscrupulous characters who had been running everything for the past several years.

I believe in my heart Joe and Katherine will put the best interest of Michael's children first and his memory. I also must believe to keep from bawling my eyes out over this loss, they will get to the bottom of what happened, Something is very wrong with this death. This of course is not JMO but what my heart is telling me now.

GB you Michael and TG you are out of pain now.
RIP and thanx for all the joy you brought me as I grew up with you.

This has hit me hard. Very hard.

[Mayasmimi]

Michael we will miss you, you were so loved

----------------
Now playing: Michael Jackson - In The Closet (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/michael_jackson/track/in_the_closet)
via FoxyTunes (http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/)

Thanks. Another song I haven't heard in forever.

I think a little part of my generation died with him. I think my daughter would say the same with regard to her generation. Her first alblum was the one just after Thriller. Yup. Was an LP. Most likely the last LP I ever purchased. Cannot recall the name at the moment. She's 28 and was in tears.

I've known about Michael Jackson since I can remember anything. I think I was 7 or 8 when the Jackson 5 became famous. I was going to marry him, or Donny Osmond.

Still, so sad.

[aproudmom]

are you saying he didn't get rich off the Jackson 5?

Jackie, Tito, Jermaine, Marlon and Michael

Yep he beat the talent into them...I have to admit he even scares me I bet he was a tough daddy to please

[Mayasmimi]

are you saying he didn't get rich off the Jackson 5?

Jackie, Tito, Jermaine, Marlon and Michael


Didn't say that. My point was that Michael, and Janet, were his cash cows.

Hey, don't be a hater. JMO.

[FallenAngel♥]

Yep he beat the talent into them...I have to admit he even scares me I bet he was a tough daddy to please

Oh yeah he scares me too.

[Mayasmimi]

Just now. Even the reporter on CNN seem to wonder about Joe Jackson. Said he didn't seem like a grieving Father.

Rambling. Odd.

Watching it now. Man is strange.

Odd that he is on a red carpet with his attorney, and not at home with Katherine and Michael's kids.

Maybe there to support Janet....I certainly hope.

[tinkerbell]

I am overcome with pure grief over the loss of the world's greatest entertainer and the most misunderstood one. He was ridiculed beyond belief and was such a kind and caring soul. I pray the truth about Michael will now come out.

While I am not a fan of Joe, I truly believe he and Katherine should be in charge. It is quite obvious there were many nefarious and unscrupulous characters who had been running everything for the past several years.

I believe in my heart Joe and Katherine will put the best interest of Michael's children first and his memory. I also must believe to keep from bawling my eyes out over this loss, they will get to the bottom of what happened, Something is very wrong with this death. This of course is not JMO but what my heart is telling me now.

GB you Michael and TG you are out of pain now.
RIP and thanx for all the joy you brought me as I grew up with you.

This has hit me hard. Very hard.

You mentioned Joe and Katherine as those who will keep Michael's memory first and foremost in his children's memory.

I would be stunned if Joe Jackson has changed his parenting techniques over the many years...

moo

[annalyzer]

Michael Jackson's brothers visit Neverland ranch

Sun Jun 28, 8:02 pm ET

LOS ANGELES – Three of the brothers who sang and danced beside Michael Jackson in the Jackson 5 made a private visit to the pop star's Neverland Ranch, where they walked the manicured grounds and reminisced about his life.

Jackie, Jermaine and Tito Jackson were joined for lunch Saturday at the estate by billionaire investor Thomas Barrack, who previously set up a joint venture with Michael Jackson that took control of the ranch after the singer nearly lost it to foreclosure last year.

It's not known what will become of the 2,500-acre (1,000-hectare), Santa Barbara County ranch, a major piece of the singer's debt-strapped financial empire. There have been unconfirmed reports that it could become a memorial or museum honoring Jackson's legacy in the mold of Elvis Presley's Graceland.

(more at link)
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ap_en_ot/us_michael_jackson_neverland

[aproudmom]

Thanks. Another song I haven't heard in forever.

I think a little part of my generation died with him. I think my daughter would say the same with regard to her generation. Her first alblum was the one just after Thriller. Yup. Was an LP. Most likely the last LP I ever purchased. Cannot recall the name at the moment. She's 28 and was in tears.

I've known about Michael Jackson since I can remember anything. I think I was 7 or 8 when the Jackson 5 became famous. I was going to marry him, or Donny Osmond.

Still, so sad.

I just saw Donny on the insider talking about MJ..and you just back off Donny was mine always had a crush on him when I was younger..:biggrin: let me see I was born on 8/29/71 same day MJ was born just when did they become famous I only remember MJ music not the Jackson 5..

[CinderL.]

I am overcome with pure grief over the loss of the world's greatest entertainer and the most misunderstood one. He was ridiculed beyond belief and was such a kind and caring soul. I pray the truth about Michael will now come out.

While I am not a fan of Joe, I truly believe he and Katherine should be in charge. It is quite obvious there were many nefarious and unscrupulous characters who had been running everything for the past several years.

I believe in my heart Joe and Katherine will put the best interest of Michael's children first and his memory. I also must believe to keep from bawling my eyes out over this loss, they will get to the bottom of what happened, Something is very wrong with this death. This of course is not JMO but what my heart is telling me now.

GB you Michael and TG you are out of pain now.
RIP and thanx for all the joy you brought me as I grew up with you.

This has hit me hard. Very hard.

I think Katherine will....but, we saw how Joe put his new venture before his family tonight.

[FallenAngel♥]

Didn't say that. My point was that Michael, and Janet, were his cash cows.

Hey, don't be a hater. JMO.

oh i'm not a hater. ITA Michael and Janet were his cash cows. I hope Janet changes her life because if she doesn't i'm afraid she'll end up like MJ :crying:

[FallenAngel♥]

He managed their careers for many years. Look it up. It's all availble if you want to know.

MO

He abused them for many years also. look it up

[legalmania]

Certainly that's true in rare casses, but breaking a Will and/or Trust is one of the most, if not THE most, difficult legal challenges that exists. IF his Will and/or Trust gives the power to his Father, then that's the way it will probably stay, and if not, Joe can fight til he's 150 years old, but will most likely lose.

Ther's a lot of speculation going on around here, but no one here really knows for sure what the extent, if any, Michael Jackson's prescription drug problem was, and I doubt it's going to void the Will and/or Trust. It's not even likely because his Lawyer will state that he was mentally competent at the time they were drawn up. His Lawyer is one EXCELLET legal rep.

Frankly, I don't see the need for speculation of any kind, but that's just me.

IMO

Actually being in the paralegal business I saw it a lot. I had people calling before the funeral, as a matter of fact when Anna Nicole died there was a big battle over her estate, there still is. You only need one person to bring a suit and everything gets put on hold. If you read case law as I do, one word can cause trouble. The kids are going to need a guardian ad litem right off the bat. It's gonna be a big battle.
The courts usually rule on succession and that would put his children first.

[legalmania]

Unfortunately many artists make more money dead than alive. Would any of the proceeds go to his estate to help pay off his bills so that the children may get a trust set up for them? :(

Right now everything is on hold. It has to all be sorted out but I'm sure his estate will fare well. The courts may dismiss some of his debts. It depends on the judge then you have appeals. It could be years.

[FallenAngel♥]

Why do you think that? She's a health nut! :confused:

a health nut............... i disagree
she's gained weight, lost weight,canceled shows due to mystery illnesses and been rushed to the ER dozens of times.

[CinderL.]

OMG - can't believe Joe Jackson is promoting his record company in the middle of the conversation about Michael? or maybe I shouldn't be so surprised.

I was just typing that. I had to delete. It was like, get over with the family questions.....I want to talk about my new project.

[aproudmom]

OMG My son just called and said mom is MJ really dead..I about fell over well he is downtown and they are have some club playing only his music for the night well I guess a bunch of people are saying he faked his death..omg guess that is what I get for living in a college town full of smart dummy college kids and we are way over here in Indiana..:wink:

Geraldo is on BTW

[legalmania]

OMG - can't believe Joe Jackson is promoting his record company in the middle of the conversation about Michael? or maybe I shouldn't be so surprised.

This is gonna be the trouble maker, he is the reason Michael went out on his own. I hope his mom is able to make his father realize his children come first.

[Mayasmimi]

You mentioned Joe and Katherine as those who will keep Michael's memory first and foremost in his children's memory.

I would be stunned if Joe Jackson has changed his parenting techniques over the many years...

moo

Hey. I spanked my kids. Today? Probably would not.

So.....Michael wasn't treated well by his Father. So sad that Michael could not get past that. My heart really aches for him. And...I sure hope Janet is in fact the executriss of his estate.

No more Joe Jackson. Pathetic IMO.

[FallenAngel♥]

OMG - can't believe Joe Jackson is promoting his record company in the middle of the conversation about Michael? or maybe I shouldn't be so surprised.

I almost threw my laptop when he started that bull.........the man won't even bury his son before he wants to make money :cursing:

[CinderL.]

Janet? You don't have to worry about her. She's totally into body and mind health.

However, this thread is NOT about anyone, but MJ. We don't want to make it about Joe, or Janet or anyone else.

mo

I think we can talk about anything we want relating to MJ.

[aproudmom]

WHO IS TOME TOME? what doctor is Geraldo talking about anyone know..

[legalmania]

OMG My son just called and said mom is MJ really dead..I about fell over well he is downtown and they are have some club playing only his music for the night well I guess a bunch of people are saying he faked his death..omg guess that is what I get for living in a college town full of smart dummy college kids and we are way over here in Indiana..:wink:

Geraldo is on BTW

I am so sorry aproudmom I know your struggling with this. I always remember how I was when I was that age and I was no better, it's a process.

[FallenAngel♥]

This is gonna be the trouble maker, he is the reason Michael went out on his own. I hope his mom is able to make his father realize his children come first.

in the past 50 years she's never been able to get Joe to realize his children and grand children should come first. You don't seriously think he'll start listening to her or anyone else now do you?

[Mayasmimi]

This is gonna be the trouble maker, he is the reason Michael went out on his own. I hope his mom is able to make his father realize his children come first.


I wish, too. IMO....no freaking way Joe Jackson will change. I really hope Michael's children are kept away from this machine.

Precious babies.

[CinderL.]

Excuse me? I did not post one thing about abuse. The question was how did Joe Jackson and his wife amass their fortune. What gives here?

MO

On the backs of their kids.

[Mayasmimi]

WHO IS TOME TOME? what doctor is Geraldo talking about anyone know..

He has claimed to be MJs manager.

[legalmania]

I don't understand all of this obviously sorry -- but then how will the children be taken care of for their needs? They are 10 and 12 so it will only be about 6 years before the older son will be off to college?

CNN: The lawyer just said they have not been able to locate a will and made no mention of even seeking a trust and this was MJ's lawyer for the past 3 years? He is also saying if there is no will the estate goes to next of kin which would be Mr & Mrs Jackson ? I am soooo confus-ed

He must not be a very good lawyer your children are your next of kin. I'm sure the court will release money for the children to live on. If there is no will then the court will have to do what is in the best interest of the children. He may pick their mother. It is so confusing Athena don't try to understand if you don't have to.

[Mayasmimi]

I almost threw my laptop when he started that bull.........the man won't even bury his son before he wants to make money :cursing:

I know. So sad. He didn't kill Michael, but he sure didn't help him LIVE. My opinion.

[FallenAngel♥]

Excuse me? I did not post one thing about abuse. The question was how did Joe Jackson and his wife amass their fortune. What gives here?

MO

Joe abused his children so they would preform. Did you not see MJ on Opran? the more he beat them the better they sang and the more money Joe made.

[FallenAngel♥]

I know. So sad. He didn't kill Michael, but he sure didn't help him LIVE. My opinion.

exactly....... ITA

[CinderL.]

Geraldo the Drama Queen is saying it could be suicide or murder. He has Bernie Kerik on. :rolleyes: He said that the concert promoters will get the insurance money if it was an accidental death? :confused: Not sure I caught that right.

Drama Queen is right...:laugh: I saw his show earlier. Just wait, it gets better.

[aproudmom]

I think we can talk about anything we want relating to MJ.

Thank you:wink:

[FallenAngel♥]

Janet? You don't have to worry about her. She's totally into body and mind health.

However, this thread is NOT about anyone, but MJ. We don't want to make it about Joe, or Janet or anyone else.

mo

You must not know Janet very well. She's been canceling a lot of her concerts. You might want to google her.

and why can't we talk about the family??

[Mayasmimi]

exactly....... ITA

Thanks. I so hope these little ones aren't going to have to live with this "man".

[aproudmom]

Dr. Thome Thome. I don't know if he's a medical doctor but I doubt it. He was MJ's manager and/or advisor.

imo

thank you once again..sorry but he was saying he had 2 names and I was totally lost..appreciate it..

[Mayasmimi]

You must not know Janet very well. She's been canceling a lot of her concerts. You might want to google her.

and why can't we talk about the family??

She has. I completely forgot about that. Odd.

[legalmania]

Since I am in a positon to know California Probate law here in California, I can tell you that the court will immediately appoint a "Guardian Ad Litem" for the children, IF there are disputes of any kind.

I did not say there won't be individual's who will want to fight the Will and/or Trust; of course there will be. I said it's almost impossible to have them rendered null and void. If one part if deemed null and void, then the whole thing is null and void. Calif. Probate laws are some of the strictest in the country.

jmo

The laws in Florida are no picnic, the only thing that's good about Florida law is if your estate is 600,000 or less there is no death tax.

[aproudmom]

Dr. Thome Thome. I don't know if he's a medical doctor but I doubt it. He was MJ's manager and/or advisor.

imo

O this is the one they first said was there the day he died and had the wrong doc..
Jackson’s personal physician, Dr. Thome Thome, who attempted to revive the pop legend before EMT’s arrived at his home yesterday has gone missing, according to TMZ

[CinderL.]

Thank you:wink:

Well, of course I am not the boss around here, just thinking out loud. :wink:

[tinkerbell]

O this is the one they first said was there the day he died and had the wrong doc..
Jackson’s personal physician, Dr. Thome Thome, who attempted to revive the pop legend before EMT’s arrived at his home yesterday has gone missing, according to TMZ

aproudmom, I believe that was Dr Murray....

moo

[legalmania]

in the past 50 years she's never been able to get Joe to realize his children and grand children should come first. You don't seriously think he'll start listening to her or anyone else now do you?

No, but one can hope.

[CinderL.]

Wow he's saying that MJ was infuriated because he thought he signed a contract for 10 concerts not 50; that the promoters, agents and other people around him knew this and MJ did not feel he was up to speed .... did they think MJ might not fulfill the contract? Almost like they are implying a possible homicide and they will all be investigated. If it was just an accident then they would get the insurance if not it could wipe out their company out and that is what the promoters are concerned and they would be the ones to reap the rewards.

hehe, just wait, it gets even better.

I did here somewhere today, that they did sign for ten and the tickets had sold out so fast that they added the extra forty. :shrug:

[tinkerbell]

"Death by entourage"... ??? per Dr Michael Baden

moo

[CinderL.]

You can talk about anything you want, but I DO NOT wish to participate in making this thread about Janet. In fact, this whole thread is going off in a direction that is full of speculation, and inaccuracies, so I'll sign off for now. :seeya:

mo

:seeya: Bye

[legalmania]

You can talk about anything you want, but I DO NOT wish to participate in making this thread about Janet. In fact, this whole thread is going off in a direction that is full of speculation, and inaccuracies, so I'll sign off for now. :seeya:

mo

Wow what happened, I thought we were all getting along nicely. I find it hard to just talk about Michael he did have other people in his life. I think Janet and him were the closest.

[FallenAngel♥]

Oh the family is waiting for Rev Al Sharpton to discuss the funeral arrangements. Due to the BET Awards his meeting with them was postponed until tomorrow. They want to bury MJ at Neverland and turn Neverland into Graceland (sorry but ya know what I mean) They have been meeting with the people that have the lien against Neverland. My comment: I would venture to guess that Janet may be able to pay off that debt.

My mom and i were talking about Neverland becoming something like Graceland. It would make sense to me that way they can have 24/7/365 security so no one steals his body.

[tinkerbell]

Oh the family is waiting for Rev Al Sharpton to discuss the funeral arrangements. Due to the BET Awards his meeting with them was postponed until tomorrow. They want to bury MJ at Neverland and turn Neverland into Graceland (sorry but ya know what I mean) They have been meeting with the people that have the lien against Neverland. My comment: I would venture to guess that Janet may be able to pay off that debt.

I find it odd, beyond measure, that the Jackson family would/have put MJ's funeral arrangements on the back burner in order to attend some award ceremony.

moo

[CinderL.]

I find it odd, beyond measure, that the Jackson family would/have put MJ's funeral arrangements on the back burner in order to attend some award ceremony.

moo

The whole thing is unreal. Joe's statement, the deal with the award show. What is with these people?:confused:

[FallenAngel♥]

I thought Janet was in the middle of shooting a movie???

she might be. i'm simply saying she's canceled dozens of concerts in the past few years. They were talking about her on FOX this morning. talking about her weight going up and down and her health problems and all that kind of stuff.

i just hope this is a wake up call for Janet.

[legalmania]

My mom and i were talking about Neverland becoming something like Graceland. It would make sense to me that way they can have 24/7/365 security so no one steals his body.

It's a shame we live in a society that something so gross would even be thought of, but unfortunately we have to. I think it would be a great idea I can put in $1000 anybody else?

[aproudmom]

wonder if they will bury him at neverland..

Michael Jackson May Be Buried At Neverland
What's the hold up with Michael Jackson funeral arrangements? I am told that there is right now a discussion going on within his family and advisors about burying him at Neverland Ranch in Los Olivos, California. Sources tell me that the proposal came from Tohme Tohme, Jackson's former manager, the non-doctor and special ambassador to Senegal. Tohme works with Colony Capital LLC, the firm that holds the mortgage note on Neverland. Their idea is to turn Neverland into Graceland, with Jackson's grave the central attraction

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/michael-jackson-may-be-buried-at-neverland-1003988547.story

[legalmania]

The whole thing is unreal. Joe's statement, the deal with the award show. What is with these people?:confused:

That's show business, the show must go on.

[MiamiNice1]

Wow what happened, I thought we were all getting along nicely. I find it hard to just talk about Michael he did have other people in his life. I think Janet and him were the closest.
"One bad apple can spoil a whole bunch, girl..."

Oops. That was an Osmond Brothers song! :sneaky:

[VC2]

No scruples. Tragic.

i just read that article, and yes i actually want to know exactly what was in the autopsy because otherwise there are so many rumors.

However i do not think the Sun has any information on the autopsy. They got the info on the hair from the article an old manager gave about the fire, and how he was scarred and no hair except a little stubble would grow on his scalp so had to wear wigs all the time, they got the part about the facial scarring from the fox report which said "investigors were surprised at how healthy he was overall" given what they had heard, as well as surprised at the amount of facial scarring. They got the needlemarks by the heart from the story of the lidocaine being injected and imo they made up the story about the number 4 or it may have been a standard or one article mentioned the number of lidocaine syringes.

I could link every article they used to make up their trashloid piece and its almost laughable. That is why i want the autopsy results released, let the chips fall where they may but to have this sort of crap going on....thats more harmful than the facts, whatever they may be.

No way was he what they described (yeah i expect old needle marks on his body) but what they printed did NOT come from either LE or the ME's office IMO. it was a pure compilation and then sensationalizing of factual pieces, with their own reports of sickly and frail crap like GR was on about. To many people at that rehearsal for someone not to have tipped off TMZ if he hadnt been there, or was that sick and frail ..bc he couldnt have done the full rehearsal properly

jmo

eta and we all saw what great condition he was in at the announcement.

[legalmania]

wonder if they will bury him at neverland..

Michael Jackson May Be Buried At Neverland
What's the hold up with Michael Jackson funeral arrangements? I am told that there is right now a discussion going on within his family and advisors about burying him at Neverland Ranch in Los Olivos, California. Sources tell me that the proposal came from Tohme Tohme, Jackson's former manager, the non-doctor and special ambassador to Senegal. Tohme works with Colony Capital LLC, the firm that holds the mortgage note on Neverland. Their idea is to turn Neverland into Graceland, with Jackson's grave the central attraction

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/michael-jackson-may-be-buried-at-neverland-1003988547.story

Didn't I just read this. We're double talking now.

[CinderL.]

That's show business, the show must go on.

Geez, I guess.

[legalmania]

"One bad apple can spoil a whole bunch, girl..."

Oops. That was an Osmond Brothers song! :sneaky:

I would have never even realized it, I can hear Michael singing it. Of course Michael and Donny were really young when they started singing.

[VC2]

Oh boy here we go, his son hasn't even been buried yet, I think it's up to the probate court.

having trouble believing this one too. If his will puts Joe and Katherine as the sole authorities over his estate then the will is null and void bc MJ was not in his right mind.

It would be a freezing day in hell before he gave Joe the authority over his estate and kids. Even drugged! Its just joe mouthing off. If Janet is executor she has the authority not he and katherine.

IMO

[aproudmom]

It's a shame we live in a society that something so gross would even be thought of, but unfortunately we have to. I think it would be a great idea I can put in $1000 anybody else?

I think it would be wonderful and could be just what MJ would want if done in the right way and ran by a responsible person.. $1000 for what??

[MiamiNice1]

I would have never even realized it, I can hear Michael singing it. Of course Michael and Donny were really young when they started singing.
You're right. I had to stop for a second. They were both amazing talents!

[legalmania]

i just read that article, and yes i actually want to know exactly what was in the autopsy because otherwise there are so many rumors.

However i do not think the Sun has any information on the autopsy. They got the info on the hair from the article an old manager gave about the fire, and how he was scarred and no hair except a little stubble would grow on his scalp so had to wear wigs all the time, they got the part about the facial scarring from the fox report which said "investigators were surprised at how healthy he was overall" given what they had heard, as well as surprised at the amount of facial scarring. They got the needle marks by the heart from the story of the lidocaine being injected and imo they made up the story about the number 4 or it may have been a standard or one article mentioned the number of lidocaine syringes.

I could link every article they used to make up their trashloid piece and its almost laughable. That is why i want the autopsy results released, let the chips fall where they may but to have this sort of crap going on....that's more harmful than the facts, whatever they may be.

No way was he what they described (yeah i expect old needle marks on his body) but what they printed did NOT come from either LE or the ME's office IMO. it was a pure compilation and then sensationalizing of factual pieces, with their own reports of sickly and frail crap like GR was on about. To many people at that rehearsal for someone not to have tipped off TMZ if he hadn't been there, or was that sick and frail ..bc he couldnt have done the full rehearsal properly

jmo

eta and we all saw what great condition he was in at the announcement.

And then there was two autopsys so ones going to conflict the other. It may be months before we get the whole story.

[legalmania]

I think it would be wonderful and could be just what MJ would want if done in the right way and ran by a responsible person.. $1000 for what??


Toward buying the property, you think that will cover it?

[aproudmom]

Wow what happened, I thought we were all getting along nicely. I find it hard to just talk about Michael he did have other people in his life. I think Janet and him were the closest.

we are doing just fine and I think we can decide or the Mod can let us know if we are out of line..I see no bad posting they are apart of MJ so post on my friend:wink:

and they were the closest IMO you can see it in all his videos she is the one there..

[FallenAngel♥]

I don't think much would have been accomplished if Rev Sharpton arrived in CA tonight - probably wouldn't have resumed until tomorrow anyway

I wonder if it will just be one funeral or if it will be something like James Brown had :scared:

[CinderL.]

I don't think much would have been accomplished if Rev Sharpton arrived in CA tonight - probably wouldn't have resumed until tomorrow anyway

Athena, are you still watching Geraldo? He is on a roll tonight. That's for sure. :laugh:

[tinkerbell]

I wonder if it will just be one funeral or if it will be something like James Brown had :scared:

FallenAngel; Has James Brown been buried yet? If so, it seemed to take forever!

MJ's estate appears to be very complicated; i.e. absence of a current will including codicils...

I can only imagine that a delay in funeral arrangements, in this case, wouldn't be terribly surprising...

moo

[aproudmom]

Toward buying the property, you think that will cover it?

oh ok did not know what you were talking about..I am not sure but hey I would give to have him laid to rest were he always wanted to be..He never wanted to leave there..I would love to see someplace for his children to have like Lisa P did with Graceland..

[FallenAngel♥]

Athena, are you still watching Geraldo? He is on a roll tonight. That's for sure. :laugh:

i'm taping it.........he was on a roll last night. I can't wait to see him tonight.

[MiamiNice1]

Geraldo the DQ is trying to say it was murder......murder by MDs or Criminally Neg Homicide.

imo
Doncha love his white board? He seems so pleased with himself. :rolleyes: Discussing whether the death was:

1) Accidental
2) Natural Causes
3) Suicide
4) Murder

[CinderL.]

Former Ckt Court Judge in FLA -- saying that the agreement between MJ and DR might hinder her getting the kids because of the monetary agreement made but might get a ticket into court.

Kimberly (forgot her last name) said that for all intents and purposes the court frowns upon a parent in DR's position and she believes the grandparents will get the children and very adamant. She said the court will view this as abandonment.

Doesn't Joe live somewhere separate from Kathrine? IF that is the case I hope the kids will stay with Grandma. But, I don't know who would be good for the kids, if Joe is there.

[legalmania]

we are doing just fine and I think we can decide or the Mod can let us know if we are out of line..I see no bad posting they are apart of MJ so post on my friend:wink:

and they were the closest IMO you can see it in all his videos she is the one there..

Remember this one Michael and Janet

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Now playing: Michael Jackson - Scream (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/michael_jackson/track/scream)
via FoxyTunes (http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/)

[VC2]

Athena, are you still watching Geraldo? He is on a roll tonight. That's for sure. :laugh:

I am beginning to think that for "research purposes" he decided to try the drugs MJ was supposedly on. because he seems to be on something.

IMO

[annalyzer]

Lawyer for doctor: Jackson had pulse when found

1 hr 33 mins ago
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_michael_jackson

[FallenAngel♥]

FallenAngel; Has James Brown been buried yet? If so, it seemed to take forever!

MJ's estate appears to be very complicated; i.e. absence of a current will including codicils...

I can only imagine that a delay in funeral arrangements, in this case, wouldn't be terribly surprising...

moo

ohhhh yes he was finally buried. Lets hope it doesn't take MJ that long.

[CinderL.]

Geraldo the DQ is trying to say it was murder......murder by MDs or Criminally Neg Homicide.

imo

He wants someone in jail. I am not quite sure who. At times it was the promoters, they did it to get the insurance. And then other times it was his "people" the enablers. :confused:

[aproudmom]

I wonder if it will just be one funeral or if it will be something like James Brown had :scared:

OMG I watched that word is they are thinking about that..in Harlem I remember seeing MJ there boy was that a mess has he ever been laid to rest or are they still in a battle..it was on youTube last night but I just passed on by it one time was enough for me..

[CinderL.]

Yes -- and been rewinding so I could post what I'm hearing LOL Will have to look at it again because right now I'm in robo mode.
big :laugh:

[MiamiNice1]

LOL! And his sidekick, Bernie Kerik. What exactly is their point?
I know! What does Bernie Kerik have to do with this?! He's been all over the place lately - he was even on the NJHousewives Show as a friend of Caroline Manzo's! :rolleyes:

[CinderL.]

I am beginning to think that for "research purposes" he decided to try the drugs MJ was supposedly on. because he seems to be on something.

IMO:laugh::laugh:

[MiamiNice1]

Doesn't Joe live somewhere separate from Kathrine? IF that is the case I hope the kids will stay with Grandma. But, I don't know who would be good for the kids, if Joe is there.
I thought I'd read that Joe lives in Las Vegas and Katherine in California.

[legalmania]

LOL! And his sidekick, Bernie Kerik. What exactly is their point?


He forgot to add
(5) all of the above
(6) none of the above

[CinderL.]

LOL! And his sidekick, Bernie Kerik. What exactly is their point?

Someone is going to jail. He is crazy tonight. He is staying on it. He is going to find out what happened. :laugh:

[tinkerbell]

MJ's song, Gone too Soon, I thought was Caylee's song. I was stunned to read tonight that it was actually Michael Jackson's song...


moo