Diane Diamond (all posts here or will be deleted)

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Whooooaaaa..i didnt know just which thread to post on...Hopefully CW will merge them all..

Anyway, such a stunner..I had a feeling this Pop Star was actually frail on so many levels...so not so surprised..but do feel badly for his kids, and avid fans who adore this "Man Boy"..A previous poster described him as a child who never got a chance to be a "Normal Child"..and never really grew up..hence the Peter Pan theme invoked by him in so many ways...

I will look foreward to a report from Diane Diamond, who followed Michael Jackson for years and years, as a "Investigative Reporter"..


RIP MJ.. I do hope you have found Peace at last!!:rose:

LMS

[aproudmom]

Liz has got to be so upset about this. I know she thought she would pass away before he did.

imo

omg did not think of Liz is she well have not seen her for some time..well Diane Diamond just said on HLN she is getting messages on her blackberry she caused his death..yikes she is a reporter right..this was in GODS HANDS hate to see this happening already

[*Serenity*]

AP: TMZ got it right. See my post# 7 on Diane Diamond's summary.

Doesn't say what room he was in though.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_obit_michael_jackson

Diane Diamond was after him for years! I'll never forget how she reported about him. Talk about being dis-respectful-- she shouldn't be saying a word about his death since she is more than likely dancing with joy. JMO and all that.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Diane Diamond was just on HLN. Said his father and a friend were at the house; couldn't revive him and then they called 911. Said paramedics said MJ was cold to the touch when they got there - nothing they could do. She said he was actually dead before he got to the hospital but waited for all the family members before making the announcement thus the confusion. TMZ got it right.

:rose:

TY Athena..Diane Diamond is one Investigative Reporter I trust..and when she says something it is always done with respect..I am watching her right now on HLN..and she just reported that Michael's fan are texting her or the site to accuse her of causing his death...aka "Media" is responsible...Not surprising either...and its coming out now about the "Drug Abuse"..Time will tell..Whatever I hear from Diane Diamond..I will accept without skeptisim...

I just wonder about those kids tho????:sad:..Apparantly Grandma Jackson is "not well herself' as per Diane Diamond..not link..sorry..and also birth mother has given up all rights..for more money..so stand a snowball chance in He$$..to get the kids...

Man...such a sad day for Michael's fans, family and other's who have fond memories of his songs..hummmthe rest I will clam up about..Not appropriate right now..

RIP..Micheal..Hope you have at least found some peace??!!

LMS

[kageykaren]

Wasn't "Gone Too Soon", the song at Caylee's memorial, a Michael Jackson song?

imoThats kind of freaky! I'm not trying to be odd, honestly LOL but is there some sort of spiritual thing going on here. Farrah spent her last days reasuring the public that love within life spent is the most important. Michael as with Caylee at a very young age were in situations not appropriate for children. As a result of superficial love around Caylee she was murdered. Michael may have had behavior of a pedophile due to sexual abuse forced on him at a young age. Add in all the little girls and boys we are seeing on the news has me singing the Beatles song, "All we need is love". Sadly that isn't all we need. A big overhaul in laws concerning crimes against children.
Now Joey??? I do know a Joey and I would love to be that friend for you. Just send me a pm. I am married, were in the music biz here for the last 25 yrs. I have a son that recorded with a band that has gone platinum 11 times, hit diamond status, and has sold more albumns than anyone in this millinium. Yes I'm proud, but it did bring a few headaches. Peace All tonight! I also post on a site called Webslueths to get up to the date info. Check it out :seeya::wub:

[VC2]

No matter how some people may view MJ - he was a genius and had charisma like no other celebrity. There has been and don't believe there will ever be another artist like him again. (Elvis came close).

RIP MJ ; Your music will live on 4ever

God Bless his children - and condolences to the entire Jackson family

:rose: :rose: :rose:

Thank you Athena. If i remember correctly it was you that supplied many of us with the actual court transcripts each day, which is why many of us don't necessarily trust Diane Diamond -her reports were often the opposite of the transcripts - and i remember you very fondly if it was you.

I wish i could find the video someone put together at the very end, if you have it could you pm me?

I pray his children recover from the loss of their dad who loved him.

[RootBeer]

Diane Diamond just said on MSNBC that MJ's kids were not born of his sperm. :scared:

So whose the daddy?

[FallenAngel♥]

Diane Diamond just said on MSNBC that MJ's kids were not born of his sperm. :scared:

So whose the daddy?

I used to like DD but in the past few years i've come to really dislike her a lot.

[RootBeer]

Diane Diamond just said on MSNBC that MJ's kids were not born of his sperm. :scared:

So whose the daddy?

She also said that he was anerexic.

[*Serenity*]

Diane Diamond just said on MSNBC that MJ's kids were not born of his sperm. :scared:

So whose the daddy?
She has been after him for years!! Her reporting about him has always been dis-tasteful and I refuse to watch anything she reports on his death. She is dancing in her shoes right now!! Nancy Grace is another one I refuse to watch.

MOO

[Snoopy50]

Diane Diamond just said on MSNBC that MJ's kids were not born of his sperm. :scared:

So whose the daddy?
This is no surprise.....years back it was proven that the children he had with Debbie Rowe were Caucasion. the third one, I am not sure.

[dinojen]

Diane Diamond just said on MSNBC that MJ's kids were not born of his sperm. :scared:

So whose the daddy?

You know.. what is wrong with these people.. the man just DIED.. he has children the age that see tv and can understand what is being said.. granted they are more than likely not listening to Diane Diamond.. but give it a friggin break..

Figures MSNBC would be interviewing her, just really irritates me.

Seems like the media has no respect whatsoever for someone who just died maybe 3 hours ago...

I'm not my parents genes either.. but they are my parents and I was blessed to have them..

God.. that just totally ticked me off...:angry:

[Tracian]

Diane Diamond just said on MSNBC that MJ's kids were not born of his sperm. :scared:

So whose the daddy?



This is nothing new, the speculation is there because MJ was very dark skinned, and the children do not have complexions that would support his paternity.

[*Serenity*]

You know.. what is wrong with these people.. the man just DIED.. he has children the age that see tv and can understand what is being said.. granted they are more than likely not listening to Diane Diamond.. but give it a friggin break..

Figures MSNBC would be interviewing her, just really irritates me.

Seems like the media has no respect whatsoever for someone who just died maybe 3 hours ago...

I'm not my parents genes either.. but they are my parents and I was blessed to have them..

God.. that just totally ticked me off...:angry:

Yea-- her and Nancy Grace are having a hay day!

[Tracian]

You know.. what is wrong with these people.. the man just DIED.. he has children the age that see tv and can understand what is being said.. granted they are more than likely not listening to Diane Diamond.. but give it a friggin break..

Figures MSNBC would be interviewing her, just really irritates me.

Seems like the media has no respect whatsoever for someone who just died maybe 3 hours ago...

I'm not my parents genes either.. but they are my parents and I was blessed to have them..

God.. that just totally ticked me off...:angry:



It may become an issue. If MJ in not biologically the father, and the children were not legally adopted, this could blow up.

[*Serenity*]

OFGS I have had it on NG she has not been rude to anyone..I see no hay day..alot have their feelings on MJ as I DO TO but still wish no one death but NG has not said one word so far that I think this statement is fair to her.....:rolleyes:

I was surfing and as soon as I heard her say well you know -- now this whole thing is between him and God!! Yea.. so FGS... can she not keep her snide remarks silent for a few hours since he just died?
She slammed him at every turn during life and I don't expect her or Diane Diamond to do anything less in his death.

So in a nutshell... this is my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

Nancy Grace is obnoxious and rude to everyone-- so she really doesn't discriminate.... JMO

[nothingnew]

I was surfing and as soon as I heard her say well you know -- now this whole thing is between him and God!! Yea.. so FGS... can she not keep her snide remarks silent for a few hours since he just died?
She slammed him at every turn during life and I don't expect her or Diane Diamond to do anything less in his death.

So in a nutshell... this is my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

Nancy Grace is obnoxious and rude to everyone-- so she really doesn't discriminate.... JMO

I honestly don't think that she can. It's gotten her this "far" and it's between her and God. I agree with your opinion totally. Michael Jackson was a major musical talent and he will be the inspiration for many, many more artists in the future and remembered fondly by millions worldwide.

[VC2]

Diane Diamond just said on MSNBC that MJ's kids were not born of his sperm. :scared:

So whose the daddy?

all i can say is have a cup of salt near you when you listen to Diane Diamond. she and rita cosby are the same type of reporter and there is a reason neither are regulars on any reputable news show any longer

IMO

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Guess. I will back away now..as I have expressed my condolences..and only hope and pray the kids are properly looked after..and since some wish to keep slamming his memory..and or criticize some facts.."like shooting the messenger...I will back off...

For the record..I dont feel so bitter toward Diane Diamond..but respect those that dont like her..It's a free world...

Salut..
LMS

[Tracian]

Guess. I will back away now..as I have expressed my condolences..and only hope and pray the kids are properly looked after..and since some wish to keep slamming his memory..and or criticize some facts.."like shooting the messenger...I will back off...

For the record..I dont feel so bitter toward Diane Diamond..but respect those that dont like her..It's a free world...

Salut..
LMS


Diane Dimond was never sued for her books or her commentary on MJ, so I doubt anything she said was made up.

I also hope that the children will be supported emotionally through this time; and like many, I never wished death to MJ, even if in recent years, he was not the icon I enjoyed as a teenager.

[Charms]

Diane Diamond has the nerve to even utter MJ's name from her mouth after the way she hounded and berated him.
I guess some people have no integrity even at the time of a person's death.


Now that you mention it I remember DD. She was like one of those reporters who would hide in the bushes. She had an unhealthy, vengeful obsession with Michael.

[Mayasmimi]

Seems Diane Diamond got this wrong - on Larry King just said Joe Jackson has not even arrived in LA yet. He is enroute from Vegas.


Yep. Hadn't heard that Dad was there from the talking heads. Only saw that here. Another thing, if rigormortise had already set in when his body was removed from his home, then there would be no need to try to revive him (for an hour?) in the ER.

[VC2]

Get out -- who were you then ???? pm me if you don't want to put it here :ohmy: I remember every day faithfully I would email those who requested them a copy of the transcripts. My email was very busy; right VC2 LOL All of our arguments were based on the actual transcripts not what Diane Diamond reported. I remember taking DD's comments and cutting and pasting the transcript to dispute almost everything she said.

BTW - those tickets that were sold - 750,000 and does not include the extra shows they added for March. As of today -- those were just about sold out as well.

oceans and eyes are blue....how wonderful both are :D

[Mamie]

And what is the difference if they are his biological children or not...:confused:

They are 7, 11 and 12 I believe.. they are his children.. whether it be by DNA or responsibility..

What is the point of this desire to know the children's dna tonite.. they the children lost their FATHER today.. the only one it should matter to is those three children... not the media.. not the public.. JMO

Calm down, dinojen, have an aspirin or something. The point is........I don't care for Diane D. and she said they were not his bio children. AND......you act like I'm asking the children to answer up or someone in his family! It is just a simple question and we are all on this board questioning something about MJ, his family, his life and his children. I was lucky enough to be adopted into a family of two loving parents who loved kids enough to adopt three more times after me, so I DO UNDERSTAND that DNA has nothing to do with it. He loved them and they loved him. They will be much loved by his family and hopefully get to live with them. JMO

[dinojen]

Calm down, dinojen, have an aspirin or something. The point is........I don't care for Diane D. and she said they were not his bio children. AND......you act like I'm asking the children to answer up or someone in his family! It is just a simple question and we are all on this board questioning something about MJ, his family, his life and his children. I was lucky enough to be adopted into a family of two loving parents who loved kids enough to adopt three more times after me, so I DO UNDERSTAND that DNA has nothing to do with it. He loved them and they loved him. They will be much loved by his family and hopefully get to live with them. JMO


Excuse me.. I don't need a aspirin.. I also am adopted.. brought home from the hospital a few days after I was born and was gifted with the best parents a child could ask for.

Personally I don't give a rats behind whose dna those children have.. they know him as their dad.. they know he loves them.. I just think now is not the time to question the dna of his children.

Michael I don't believe felt the love a normal child feels in their childhood from their parents.. and he strived his whole life to know the feeling that he should of felt when he was a young boy.. He led a strange life.. always looking for something that was missing that should of been there like many of us had when we were very young.

Such a talented man.. it's a waste.. and I'm sure his children will miss him.. I am very leery about those kids growing up in the hands of the Jackson family ... I don't know. I know Michael adored his mother.. but.. I just want the best for these kids..

[FrankieBones1]

Yes - it was Diane Diamond and her "reliable source" - some things never change :rolleyes:
Her diatribe on Headline News was uncalled for yesterday.

Rest in Peace, Michael.

[Dunlurken]

You are right, it doesn't.

I watched MJ closely during his interviews when this was ask of him. Each time his face showed total honesty as he tried to explain it. He never denied he did this. MJ may have been biologically an adult but he wasn't in his mind. He was still that 12 year old kid that loved sleepovers and all piling in the same bed.

But because most of society does not approve of that or understands MJs mind set then to them it had to be for sexual purposes only, imo. I don't think it was. In fact I have often wondered if MJ was even sexually attracted to either males or a females at all. He seemed content to live in a child's world and continue to be that child he never got to be while growing up.

imo
Very well said..... "this" society. Other societies sleep with their kids without any sexual involvement. Families, friends, etc.

Unfortunately, some have very closed minds. Would I let my young child stay with friends and sleep with the adults. No. But I have been jaded because of the sexual pedophiles we have managed to raise in "this society". JMO.

Diane Diamond was a riot last night! :laugh: She said she would be blamed for his death. LMAO. Then she had an about face and said he was a genius........

[4Life]

Diane Diamond was a riot last night! :laugh: She said she would be blamed for his death. LMAO. Then she had an about face and said he was a genius........

Last night she was on another show and said she was being slammed by MJ fans on her twiter

[Heyes]

And I read every day of the actual court transcripts thanks to you Athena, you are absolutely correct!!!!!

imo
Yes VC2, I was right there reading every word.
ATHENA***** I hoped I thanked you at the time, if I didn't......
THANK YOU!

I just knew diane diamond would get her mug on tv before his body was even cold.
I remember on a Sat. during the trial I was washing my car and she was doing a interview with a local radio show....(here in Los Angeles).
I had been following the case and heard her lie, yes, lie. I can't remember what it was she said but it was the exact opposite of what had happened in court. She deliberately mislead the listening audience. I have never scrubbed a car so hard I was afraid I'd take the paint off. Why did she need to do that? Was there a personal history there with Michael that she felt the need to get back at him for? What is that womans problem?


RIP MJ, FF and EM.

[FrankieBones1]

Yes VC2, I was right there reading every word.
ATHENA***** I hoped I thanked you at the time, if I didn't......
THANK YOU!

I just knew diane diamond would get her mug on tv before his body was even cold.
I remember on a Sat. during the trial I was washing my car and she was doing a interview with a local radio show....(here in Los Angeles).
I had been following the case and heard her lie, yes, lie. I can't remember what it was she said but it was the exact opposite of what had happened in court. She deliberately mislead the listening audience. I have never scrubbed a car so hard I was afraid I'd take the paint off. Why did she need to do that? Was there a personal history there with Michael that she felt the need to get back at him for? What is that womans problem?


RIP MJ, FF and EM.
I agree with all of the above. I think her tone is her biggest problem. Her tone drips with hatred and loathing.

[Pretty Leaf]

Yesterday on JVM Diane Diamond was on and she said she had it from a very close member of the Jackson family that Michael actually died at 10 am and the family was informed to get to LA, and when EMT arrived Jackson was cold to the touch.

[Tracian]

RUMOR CONTROL:

I posted her comment yesterday right after she said it on HLN too and wish I hadn't. She lied much like she has as far as MJ goes for the past 15 years. On HLN she said she got the info from a reliable source - so much for reliability. LOL

Up to you - but please do not believe what DD says about MJ. I don't say this lightly -- anyone here that followed the trial and was fair would tell you that. JMHO

She said Joe Jackson and a friend was with MJ.
Joe Jackson was in Vegas and had not even reached CA by the time MJ was pronounced dead and Randy (his brother) was the one that was with MJ and his physician.


Diane Dimond wrote a book about MJ...she was never sued for what she printed; I don't know about the book, because to be honest, I never read it, but I do know that Rita Cosby wrote a book about ANS and is currently being sued for what she alledged as fact.

As far as yesterday, information was coming in very quickly, and many tidbits were not confirmed, when I saw DD on JVM, she said 'she has heard' but never said she 'confirmed'.

I don't know what she said on different shows.

[VC2]

Stop speaking for everyone. I followed the trial. I disagree with you. I doubt I am the only one.

Didn't you read the transcripts Athena posted at the time to debunk DD's "facts" that she reported each day about what happened or was testified to in the trial? It was wild, her reports held very little actual truth about the testimony compared to the transcripts. They are there to read in the MJ trial archived forum i am sure, if you want to refresh your memory.

One of the saddest things to me was the trial was not televised because for some reason the "reporters" and analysts spun the facts so far from the truth in many instances and the public at large could only go by what they saw the reporters say. I can understand why some may have believed it bc they only heard the spin but i still don' get why anyone who followed it on ctv would honestly say that DD told the truth about the testimony. The facts were there in black and white of the transcripts.

Many many of us were sent them, athena was gracious enough to share the full transcripts and not just she took the time to type the verbatim words.

If the trial had been televised, imo the majority of the public would fully have agreed with the verdict.

IMO

[LILMANMAX]

Didn't you read the transcripts Athena posted at the time to debunk DD's "facts" that she reported each day about what happened or was testified to in the trial? It was wild, her reports held very little actual truth about the testimony compared to the transcripts. They are there to read in the MJ trial archived forum i am sure, if you want to refresh your memory.

One of the saddest things to me was the trial was not televised because for some reason the "reporters" and analysts spun the facts so far from the truth in many instances and the public at large could only go by what they saw the reporters say. I can understand why some may have believed it bc they only heard the spin but i still don' get why anyone who followed it on ctv would honestly say that DD told the truth about the testimony. The facts were there in black and white of the transcripts.

Many many of us were sent them, athena was gracious enough to share the full transcripts and not just she took the time to type the verbatim words.

If the trial had been televised, imo the majority of the public would fully have agreed with the verdict.

IMO

You got that right. :beer:

[Lyvia]

<snip>Didn't you read the transcripts Athena posted at the time to debunk DD's "facts" that she reported each day about what happened or was testified to in the trial? <snip>
I remember firsthand, too. I still don't agree with her statement. She shouldn't speak for everyone. None of us should.

[Tracian]

And that is exactly DD's problem and has ALWAYS been her problem -- she always I heard from a reliable source but it has not been confirmed - same as the rumors published in her book. I followed MJ's trial DAILY with the OFFICIAL court transcripts (along with others who are still here) and every day we posted what DD said and compared them to the transcripts. 99.9% of the time she was DEAD wrong.

We came to the same conclusion that the jury did -- not guilty. Did he do anything? Possibly - but the state DID NOT prove its case. Every witness they had - had filed a lawsuit against MJ - and the family was proven to be grifters.


I followed the case as well. If I was on the jury, I would have hung it, but I would not be able to say NG.

IMO, MJ was smart enough to find the 'right' type of family that would be willing to turn a blind eye to the best interest of their children in return for cash and other 'rewards'

Even if the mother was a grifter, that does not IMO, make it okay for a grown man to sleep in the same bed with a child, especially one that is not his own.

The fact that MJ settled a case in the 90's also, IMO, speaks very loudly to inappropriate behavior.

[ABC]

Stop speaking for everyone. I followed the trial. I disagree with you. I doubt I am the only one.
I was recouperating from surgery and watched every second of every day. I made numerous complaints about both Nancy Grace (remember her counting the dove's being released by an MJ fan at each non quilty vedict was announced) an Diane Diamond for there atrociaous ugly biased comments about the trial at the network website. Thankfully, Diamon was fired some after and Grace after the Duckett incident. The correct verdict was reached by the jury, in my opinion. RIP Michael - So Sad, such a brilliant talent.
Michael, like Anna and Heath and millions of others made their own decisions and choose the people they wanted around them and do or do not take drugs as they wish and are adults. Drug overdose is not an uncommon cause of death in America. If they have enablers around them, its cause they want them.
WE have no clue about the Jackson children so any comments about them is speculation only.

[Tracian]

I was recouperating from surgery and watched every second of every day. I made numerous complaints about both Nancy Grace (remember her counting the dove's being released by an MJ fan at each non quilty vedict was announced) an Diane Diamond for there atrociaous ugly biased comments about the trial. Thankfully, Diamon was fired some after and Grace after the Duckett incident. The correct verdict was reached by the jury, in my opinion. RIP Michael - So Sad
Michael, like Anna and Heath and millions of others made their own decisions and choose the people they wanted around them. Drug overdose is not an uncommon cause of death in America.


When was Nancy Grace fired?

[Pretty Leaf]

I was recouperating from surgery and watched every second of every day. I made numerous complaints about both Nancy Grace (remember her counting the dove's being released by an MJ fan at each non quilty vedict was announced) an Diane Diamond for there atrociaous ugly biased comments about the trial. Thankfully, Diamon was fired some after and Grace after the Duckett incident. The correct verdict was reached by the jury, in my opinion. RIP Michael - So Sad


NG was awfully uncormfortable on her show last night. Sour mouth and banging her pen on the desk. I know her bias on the trial and it sure came out last night. I turned the channel.

[mrsmcgoo]

I was recouperating from surgery and watched every second of every day. I made numerous complaints about both Nancy Grace (remember her counting the dove's being released by an MJ fan at each non quilty vedict was announced) an Diane Diamond for there atrociaous ugly biased comments about the trial. Thankfully, Diamon was fired some after and Grace after the Duckett incident. The correct verdict was reached by the jury, in my opinion. RIP Michael - So Sad
Michael, like Anna and Heath and millions of others made their own decisions and choose the people they wanted around them. Drug overdose is not an uncommon cause of death in America.


NG was not fired. She moved to her own show on HLN. It was during this time that she interviewed Melinda Duckett, who later committed suicide. Just wanted to keep the facts as accurate as possible.

JMO

[ABC]

Why, thank you!

:)

I think Diane was fired and I am proud to write that I complained about her and Nancy Grace at the network web site everyday. :thumbsup:

[Tracian]

I think Diane was fired and I am proud to write that I complained about her and Nancy Grace at the network web site everyday. :thumbsup:

Yet Nancy is still there.:rolleyes:

[ABC]

Yet Nancy is still there.:rolleyes:
Not on Court or TRUTV she's not. Grace was let go from that show. She is reduced to a small bit show on what channel? Yep Athena, Diamond was fired after the trial and Grace after the Duckett event. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

[bkwits]

And that is exactly DD's problem and has ALWAYS been her problem -- she always I heard from a reliable source but it has not been confirmed - same as the rumors published in her book. I followed MJ's trial DAILY with the OFFICIAL court transcripts (along with others who are still here) and every day we posted what DD said and compared them to the transcripts. 99.9% of the time she was DEAD wrong.

We came to the same conclusion that the jury did -- not guilty. Did he do anything? Possibly - but the state DID NOT prove its case. Every witness they had - had filed a lawsuit against MJ - and the family was proven to be grifters.

Bolded by me

She got 99.9% of it wrong? What did she get right, her name?

[Scampi]

Not on Court or TRUTV she's not. Grace was let go from that show. She is reduced to a small bit show on what channel? Yep Athena, Diamond was fired after the trial and Grace after the Duckett event. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

It may interest you to know, that In Sessions is closing up shop and moving it's production, including live trials to the small no name channel that is actually Headline News, in November.

The production will be moved to Atlanta, Nancy's home town and it would not suprise me to see her move back and her role at that network expanded.

Check the help and feedback forum for more info and links about this.

[Tracian]

Not on Court or TRUTV she's not. Grace was let go from that show. She is reduced to a small bit show on what channel? Yep Athena, Diamond was fired after the trial and Grace after the Duckett event. :rolleyes::rolleyes:


You really need to get your facts straight. Duckett was on HLN, that is where Melinda was interviewed, not CTV or TRUTV.

Grace was not fired, but if it makes you happy to believe that, carry on.

[GentleBreeze]

Not on Court or TRUTV she's not. Grace was let go from that show. She is reduced to a small bit show on what channel? Yep Athena, Diamond was fired after the trial and Grace after the Duckett event. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Didn't she start doing stand ins for LKL first?

imo

[Lyndawitha"Y]

I think Diane was fired and I am proud to write that I complained about her and Nancy Grace at the network web site everyday. :thumbsup:

I do believe this is how Diane Dimond left Court TV...:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diane_Dimond

In 2005, Court TV, citing financial strains from expanded trial coverage on both the Scott Peterson murder case and the Michael Jackson case, decided not to renew Dimond's contract and her entire investigative unit was disbanded. After leaving Court TV Dimond's book on her decades-long investigation of Jackson was published by Simon and Shuster's Atria books. Entitled, "Be Careful Who You Love - Inside the Michael Jackson Case" it is often vilified by Jackson fans[citation needed].

LMS

[kellabeck]

NEW YORK - The gavel has sounded on Diane Dimond's time at Court TV.

The anchor's contract has run out with cable network, said Patty Caruso, a spokeswoman for Court TV, on Monday. The network isn't renewing and Dimond is leaving to concentrate on her book.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9129732

No doubt she was hired to cover the trial. The trial was over and so was the need for her services. She certainly was not fired, imo, for anything she said.

And if her reportage was so faulty, why wasn't she sued??

[who_is_it]

And that is exactly DD's problem and has ALWAYS been her problem -- she always I heard from a reliable source but it has not been confirmed - same as the rumors published in her book. I followed MJ's trial DAILY with the OFFICIAL court transcripts (along with others who are still here) and every day we posted what DD said and compared them to the transcripts. 99.9% of the time she was DEAD wrong.

We came to the same conclusion that the jury did -- not guilty. Did he do anything? Possibly - but the state DID NOT prove its case. Every witness they had - had filed a lawsuit against MJ - and the family was proven to be grifters.

exactly!

want to add: the media only highlighted sensational aspects of the trial but never went into factual details. when janet arvizo, the accuser's mother, went to jail for welfare fraud almost no media outlets reported about it.

meanwhile many celebrities complain on twitter how vile some bloggers are and how much they feel hurt. michael jackson, a silent and secluded person, was the media's victim #1. i blame his fragile and also weak psychic constitution on the media - not to forget bashir who started to ruin his life. (i remember well the hate and envy he felt when michael went shopping... and how many times he asked the shop keeper how much michael spent.)

the media have contributed to his sad life during the past years. he was looking forward to his shows, he started to be creative again.

i wished for him that his comeback would happen. there was a huge demand for michael jackson: people wanted to see him, listen to his music, read about him. it makes me cry again that he can't experience anymore the applause and the love of the audience - the love his broken heart would have needed to heal the scars the media have left.

:rose:

[Scampi]

Didn't you find it interesting, Scamp, that he had a live-in doctor???

Oh yes. I know some do not appreciate Diane Dimond, but she appeared on msnbc today and said that last week Jackson had a cancer removed from his nose. Perhaps he was there in connection with that.

DO NOT SHOOT THE MESSENGER (me) PLEASE.

:wink:

[Avalon]

Diane Dimond (sp) on MSNBC is saying "everyone" knows who the sperm donor was for Blanket (or all the kids?) -- he was hand-picked by MJ, and what if he comes forward to claim them? Has anyone heard who this donor is...?

[Dunlurken]

Diane Dimond (sp) on MSNBC is saying "everyone" knows who the sperm donor was for Blanket (or all the kids?) -- he was hand-picked by MJ, and what if he comes forward to claim them? Has anyone heard who this donor is...?
What on earth will Diane Diamond do now. She has no one to persecute anymore. JMO. :confused:

[FallenAngel♥]

Diane Dimond (sp) on MSNBC is saying "everyone" knows who the sperm donor was for Blanket (or all the kids?) -- he was hand-picked by MJ, and what if he comes forward to claim them? Has anyone heard who this donor is...?

Heck no and DD doesn't know either. Seriously why doesn't she just zip it?


MOO

[emdragon]

Diane Dimond (sp) on MSNBC is saying "everyone" knows who the sperm donor was for Blanket (or all the kids?) -- he was hand-picked by MJ, and what if he comes forward to claim them? Has anyone heard who this donor is...?

Did she REALLY say that?

[n/t]

Diane Dimond (sp) on MSNBC is saying "everyone" knows who the sperm donor was for Blanket (or all the kids?) -- he was hand-picked by MJ, and what if he comes forward to claim them? Has anyone heard who this donor is...?


Bolding mine


"he" was hand-picked by MJ? I must be the only one in the world who doesn't know if Diane claims "everyone" does. I never knew 2 males could reproduce. Nobody told me. :crying:

[Citygirl]

Bolding mine


"he" was hand-picked by MJ? I must be the only one in the world who doesn't know if Diane claims "everyone" does. I never knew 2 males could reproduce. Nobody told me. :crying:


"he" was referring to the sperm donor whose sperm was implanted in the 2 women that actually gave birth to the 3 children.

[n/t]

"he" was referring to the sperm donor whose sperm was implanted in the 2 women that actually gave birth to the 3 children.

Poor Diane. How many of her books did she sell? She's suddenly the MJ expert because she followed the molestation trial.:rolleyes:

I get a sense she's enjoying the attention. Go away, Diane. You made a disgrace of yourself in the midst of a tragedy. I am appalled. There's a time and place for everything. This is NOT the time.

Diane will soon realize that MJ will be making more money in death than in the last couple of years of life.

Who does Diane claim to be the father of the children? Anybody here know?

[who_is_it]

Poor Diane. How many of her books did she sell? She's suddenly the MJ expert because she followed the molestation trial.:rolleyes:

I get a sense she's enjoying the attention. Go away, Diane. You made a disgrace of yourself in the midst of a tragedy. I am appalled. There's a time and place for everything. This is NOT the time.

Diane will soon realize that MJ will be making more money in death than in the last couple of years of life.
<snipped>


exactly.

one of the first vultures. there will be more these days. she had never anything good to say about mike.

[Tokyo Rose]

http://www.examiner.com/x-3035-Everyday-People-Examiner~y2009m6d26-Who-is-the-biological-father-of-Michael-Jacksons-children

[emdragon]

http://www.examiner.com/x-3035-Everyday-People-Examiner~y2009m6d26-Who-is-the-biological-father-of-Michael-Jacksons-children

Unless she is writing another book If Diane really knows who the "real" father is she would have no problem saying who it is.

[Scampi]

Good morning everyone. Good job Mom!!

Brought this post over from last night.

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I saw this report by Diane yesterday and immediately thought that Mark Lester, the children's Godfather, may just be the biological father. Lester played the role of Oliver, in the film and is a very good friend of Michael's thru the years.

Thanks for posting the article Rosie!!! :seeya:

[n/t]

Good morning everyone. Good job Mom!!

Brought this post over from last night.

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I saw this report by Diane yesterday and immediately thought that Mark Lester, the children's Godfather, may just be the biological father. Lester played the role of Oliver, in the film and is a very good friend of Michael's thru the years.

Thanks for posting the article Rosie!!! :seeya:

Diane is obsessed in destroying Michael Jackson in life and she's now continuing to destroy him in death, imo. I posted yesterday that there is a time and place for everything. There's no doubt that Michael is surrounded by controversies but I think he deserved a little more respect on the day he was pronounced dead and the day after. I can almost see the drool coming down the sides of their mouths (Nancy G and Diane D). At one point on HLN, Vinnie said they were going to take a commercial break and then Diane would be on to tell the viewers about the controversial molestation trial. They showed Diane and she had the most evil smile on her face that I've ever seen. I honest to goodness, got chills. The interesting part was that he really didn't give her much time. Vinnie kept going to Jane-Velez and Lisa Bloom. I think HLN is starting to realize that Diane (her own admission) is getting some very nasty emails addressed to her and they probably don't want any part of that. Who knows. That's my own interpretation. She then goes on to MSNBC to spew the same venom (from what I gather through the links).

IF Michael is not the bio dad, does it really matter who the sperm donor is? The sperm donor usually reliqushes all rights to the child. Bio mom has done the same. Michael was their father.

Let these kids live as normal as possible. They've been through a lot in their short lives and losing the one they loved the most must be devestating.

Apparently the nanny was an awesome caregiver to these children. What they need now is love and stability. Why put them through unnecessary legal battles? Give the kids to grandma Katherine and let them continue to be raised by the same nanny who's loved them all these years.

End of rant. I still luv ya.:wink:

[lucky13]

Yea!! I'm so glad that Lou Diamond won. To me he was the most deserving one of the bunch. He never whined or complained, threatened to quit, or 'lost it'. Instead he was always gracious, kind, competitive, & a great leader.
Congrats Lou!!

[who_is_it]

Diane is obsessed in destroying Michael Jackson in life and she's now continuing to destroy him in death, imo. I posted yesterday that there is a time and place for everything. There's no doubt that Michael is surrounded by controversies but I think he deserved a little more respect on the day he was pronounced dead and the day after.

<snipped>



I'm from Europe, don't know her from tv... but I remember that she tried to ruin him during his trial. I totally agree that he deserves more respect. She should just shut her trap.

Probably more of these bad people will talk (and make money). Now still respect and tributes dominate the news. But wait some weeks. Shady characters will try to make money by stories about a passed away person who can't defend himself anymore.

[n/t]

I'm from Europe, don't know her from tv... but I remember that she tried to ruin him during his trial. I totally agree that he deserves more respect. She should just shut her trap.

Probably more of these bad people will talk (and make money). Now still respect and tributes dominate the news. But wait some weeks. Shady characters will try to make money by stories about a passed away person who can't defend himself anymore.

Diane got a head start. Her next book is probably in the works already. Who's the real daddy?? Maybe.

[who_is_it]

Here's a link to Diane Dimond's website. There's a place for "contact me." Tell her what you think..........

http://dianedimond.net/

I wrote her a mail.

[who_is_it]

Diane got a head start. Her next book is probably in the works already. Who's the real daddy?? Maybe.

I wrote her she shouldn't try to make money by a person she didn't respect during his life time. :angry:

[RootBeer]

That cuts both ways. We also have the right to express ourselves about Diane Dimond.

MO

Of course you do. Just remember her rights also.

[kellabeck]

Diane Dimond is a reporter. She isn't obsessed with destroying Michael Jackson or his reputation. She merely reports facts. He is the one responsible for the cloud that hangs over him.

I hope that Prince Michael One does not go into show business. I hope he and his siblings find a peaceful, stable place to grow up in privacy and have a normal life. I hope there's an agreement rather than a fight over them and that Jackson left a well-crafted will which provides for them and their security and their futures.

I am so sad for these children. I wish them well.

[who_is_it]

Diane Dimond is a reporter. She isn't obsessed with destroying Michael Jackson or his reputation. She merely reports facts. He is the one responsible for the cloud that hangs over him.

I hope that Prince Michael One does not go into show business. I hope he and his siblings find a peaceful, stable place to grow up in privacy and have a normal life. I hope there's an agreement rather than a fight over them and that Jackson left a well-crafted will which provides for them and their security and their futures.

I am so sad for these children. I wish them well.

Imo she's a biased reporter who doesn't report factually.

[mrsmcgoo]

Diane Dimond is a reporter. She isn't obsessed with destroying Michael Jackson or his reputation. She merely reports facts. He is the one responsible for the cloud that hangs over him.

I hope that Prince Michael One does not go into show business. I hope he and his siblings find a peaceful, stable place to grow up in privacy and have a normal life. I hope there's an agreement rather than a fight over them and that Jackson left a well-crafted will which provides for them and their security and their futures.

I am so sad for these children. I wish them well.


Thank you, I agree!

I feel that she and others that are reporting and speaking about unsavory aspects of MJ's life are reminding us that life was not all sunshine and roses with MJ. He had committed questionable actions over the years that will not be forgotten or don't disappear because he has passed on.

I am concerned with the children's future as well. I hope they are protected as much as possible. Unlike Lisa Marie Presley who had a great mother too watch out for her best interests, these children have no one. The new surge of interest in MJ's music will be a winfall for the estate and hopefully someone with integrity will be over seeing things in the interest of these innoncent children.

JMO

[NotAgain]

Diane is obsessed in destroying Michael Jackson in life and she's now continuing to destroy him in death, imo. I posted yesterday that there is a time and place for everything. There's no doubt that Michael is surrounded by controversies but I think he deserved a little more respect on the day he was pronounced dead and the day after. I can almost see the drool coming down the sides of their mouths (Nancy G and Diane D). At one point on HLN, Vinnie said they were going to take a commercial break and then Diane would be on to tell the viewers about the controversial molestation trial. They showed Diane and she had the most evil smile on her face that I've ever seen. I honest to goodness, got chills. The interesting part was that he really didn't give her much time. Vinnie kept going to Jane-Velez and Lisa Bloom. I think HLN is starting to realize that Diane (her own admission) is getting some very nasty emails addressed to her and they probably don't want any part of that. Who knows. That's my own interpretation. She then goes on to MSNBC to spew the same venom (from what I gather through the links).

IF Michael is not the bio dad, does it really matter who the sperm donor is? The sperm donor usually reliqushes all rights to the child. Bio mom has done the same. Michael was their father.

Let these kids live as normal as possible. They've been through a lot in their short lives and losing the one they loved the most must be devestating.

Apparently the nanny was an awesome caregiver to these children. What they need now is love and stability. Why put them through unnecessary legal battles? Give the kids to grandma Katherine and let them continue to be raised by the same nanny who's loved them all these years.

End of rant. I still luv ya.:wink:

DD is a great reporter.

MJ, IMO, will be remembered primarily for the child molestation charges. His unusual metamorphisis second and his music last.

I hope the best for his children and family.

[Scampi]

Diane is obsessed in destroying Michael Jackson in life and she's now continuing to destroy him in death, imo. I posted yesterday that there is a time and place for everything. There's no doubt that Michael is surrounded by controversies but I think he deserved a little more respect on the day he was pronounced dead and the day after. I can almost see the drool coming down the sides of their mouths (Nancy G and Diane D). At one point on HLN, Vinnie said they were going to take a commercial break and then Diane would be on to tell the viewers about the controversial molestation trial. They showed Diane and she had the most evil smile on her face that I've ever seen. I honest to goodness, got chills. The interesting part was that he really didn't give her much time. Vinnie kept going to Jane-Velez and Lisa Bloom. I think HLN is starting to realize that Diane (her own admission) is getting some very nasty emails addressed to her and they probably don't want any part of that. Who knows. That's my own interpretation. She then goes on to MSNBC to spew the same venom (from what I gather through the links).

IF Michael is not the bio dad, does it really matter who the sperm donor is? The sperm donor usually reliqushes all rights to the child. Bio mom has done the same. Michael was their father.

Let these kids live as normal as possible. They've been through a lot in their short lives and losing the one they loved the most must be devestating.

Apparently the nanny was an awesome caregiver to these children. What they need now is love and stability. Why put them through unnecessary legal battles? Give the kids to grandma Katherine and let them continue to be raised by the same nanny who's loved them all these years.

End of rant. I still luv ya.:wink:

Yes, our love affair continues! :wink:

I am very interested in exactly what provisions Mr. Jackson made for his children's care in the event of his death. I hope to learn that he provided for them in a trust and designated someone competent to care for them. My opinion of him will skyrocket if he did that.

I don't think Katherine is the person to assume daily care for these children, but of course should remain in their lives to the extent her health allows.

[mrsmcgoo]

Yes, I actually posted a link that showed just what hapened when she didnt get a re-newed contract, and also all the cutbacks on Court TV..aka Crier, Vinnie leaving shortly there after, and hours getting cut back..

The link I posted yesterday, also indicated Diane Dimond's history as a Investigative Journalist..MJ was not her only source of her writings.

Anyway, it is very easy to revile her, if she speaks about a topic, and you dont accept her details...It really comes down to personal perceptions of what you hear, however, given the litigious society, I am sure she would have been sued many times if what she says, writes are untruthes..aka..Rita C...

LMS:huh:


I saw your post yesterday and actually based some of my response on what you had linked.

Thanks for your informed posts! I wish I could write such detailed interesting posts! Yours are awesome!

What people are also forgetting at this time is that Diane and others are being sought out to speak about MJ. They aren't soliciting to appear on these shows, they are being asked to appear and share their wealth of knowledge. Thankfully they are in my opinion.

Also, I live in PEI Canada. No one is talking about MJ or his death here. He was written off when the repeated child molestation rumors and charges happened.

JMO

[who_is_it]

I wouldn't give Diane Diamond the time of day. JMO.

I don't think each comment - no matter if positive or negative - boosts her.

But I avoid mouse clicks on articles out on sensation. The first articles which highlight scandals already emerged on the web. And there will be more these days, weeks, months, years.

[Dunlurken]

Ah i think i foudn the title.

It was a cut called D.S.
Dang, give us a link. He was very angry with Det. Snedden for persecuting him. He was in cahoots with Diane Diamond. JMO.

[sallemae]

Diane Dimond is a reporter. She isn't obsessed with destroying Michael Jackson or his reputation. She merely reports facts. He is the one responsible for the cloud that hangs over him.

I hope that Prince Michael One does not go into show business. I hope he and his siblings find a peaceful, stable place to grow up in privacy and have a normal life. I hope there's an agreement rather than a fight over them and that Jackson left a well-crafted will which provides for them and their security and their futures.

I am so sad for these children. I wish them well.



She merely reports facts.....NO WAY, I don't of any reporters, merely reporting the facts only. We would not have 24/7 news shows, if only facts were reported.....imo

[frances1]

I would have to agree that Diane Diamond goes beyond reporting facts and deffinitely lets her feelings be known in her....I can't even call it reporting. I don't care for the woman and I'm no defender of MJ.

I'm neither a defender nor a detractor of Michael Jackson. I must say, however, that the few times I saw Diane Diamond 'reporting' during his trial, she was almost breathless with delight when speaking about the charges.

[Dunlurken]

I'm neither a defender nor a detractor of Michael Jackson. I must say, however, that the few times I saw Diane Diamond 'reporting' during his trial, she was almost breathless with delight when speaking about the charges.

Very well stated. And she has been conspiculously absent since the "trial" until now.

[gnm109]

I would have to agree that Diane Diamond goes beyond reporting facts and deffinitely lets her feelings be known in her....I can't even call it reporting. I don't care for the woman and I'm no defender of MJ.

Well, that's true in my opinion also. NG, AB and JF seem to do that very same thing from time to time. Maybe it's OK, though, if the person is really a commentator and not strictly a reporter. Some personal thoughts would be expected from a news commentator as opposed to a regular reporter.

[VC2]

I would have to agree that Diane Diamond goes beyond reporting facts and deffinitely lets her feelings be known in her....I can't even call it reporting. I don't care for the woman and I'm no defender of MJ.

Thank you Cavalier! I can testify you are no defender of MJ but you always did see that DD was not to be relied on for facts.

I will never forget her everyday, at least 3 times a day warning that "Macauley Culkin" is not likely to testify (for about a week and a half before he did testify), it wuold be bad for his career, he could perjure himself, he could lose roles because of it. That his handlers were all telling him not to testify so that he didn't harm his career, that he would be destroyed on the stand etc etc.

It finally became really clear imo that she was actually trying to make him think twice about testifying. It was over the top.

IMO

[VC2]

IMO Michael Jackson was a sitting duck. People that were fair and objective during the trial already knew this. I think mass hysteria took over as the word "pedophile" was thrown around and distorted facts were thrown about such as through the likes of Diane Diamond and Maureen Orth. JMHO :rose:

I remember at the very beginning, the amount of ng's was very very small and half of them were more thinking "i wil wait to see the evidence". By the end of the trial quite a large number of people had come to the ng thread and at the least felt he we not guilty of the charges with that particular victim. IMO part of that was because we had the facts of what happened in court to compare what to what DD was saying.

His very popularity made him a sitting duck as did some of his own bad judgement, but when someone is the biggest entertainer in the world at the time and one of the wealthiest, its no surprise that some targeted him. Unfortunately he also made it easy for them in many ways.

imo

[VC2]

I think during the trial Court TV probably blocked my email address. Every day I sent them an email comparing DD's statements to the actual transcript and pointing out huge discrepanices of what she was reporting to actually what happened during the trial.

:laugh:i can just see it too! you must have driven them nuts :laugh:

[ABC]

Didn't she start doing stand ins for LKL first?

imo
I don't know. I am not a fan of LKL and almost never watch his show.

[RootBeer]

I like Diane Dimond.:thumbup:

I don't know much about her, but now I want to. I seen her recently and she is a fairly good looking lady. jmo

[SDMermaid]

Get your facts straight Nancy was on Headline News when she talked to Duckett and she is still on there :cursing:

Not on Court or TRUTV she's not. Grace was let go from that show. She is reduced to a small bit show on what channel? Yep Athena, Diamond was fired after the trial and Grace after the Duckett event. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

[SDMermaid]

He cuts off guests a lot while they are still speaking lol!

I don't know. I am not a fan of LKL and almost never watch his show.

[SDMermaid]

I still think MJ had a thing for Macauley but didn't touch him he was too famous MJ wasn't that stupid he stuck with the kids that weren't famous and that needed the money.

Thank you Cavalier! I can testify you are no defender of MJ but you always did see that DD was not to be relied on for facts.

I will never forget her everyday, at least 3 times a day warning that "Macauley Culkin" is not likely to testify (for about a week and a half before he did testify), it wuold be bad for his career, he could perjure himself, he could lose roles because of it. That his handlers were all telling him not to testify so that he didn't harm his career, that he would be destroyed on the stand etc etc.

It finally became really clear imo that she was actually trying to make him think twice about testifying. It was over the top.

IMO

[Tracian]

Get your facts straight Nancy was on Headline News when she talked to Duckett and she is still on there :cursing:



I tried to explain that as well; also that NG was doing both her show on CTV (before they reformatted, several TH's left, including Crier) and her Headline News show, in fact she would plug it every day when her CTV show closed.

[Maranatha]

While I'm not a fan by any means, it would be nice if the thread title could be fixed to spell her name correctly.

Diane Dimond.

Confirmed:

http://dianedimond.net/

Dianne Diamond is a great name for a Pixar character, but maybe not so much the correct spelling. IMO

Thanks!

[Lyvia]

Thank you Athena. If i remember correctly it was you that supplied many of us with the actual court transcripts each day, which is why many of us don't necessarily trust Diane Diamond -her reports were often the opposite of the transcripts - and i remember you very fondly if it was you.

And many of us read the transcripts and trust Diane Dimond. I followed the trial closely and she was accurate. So accurate the more crazed of the fans at the trial threatened her life and otherwise harassed her.

People sure do love to shoot the messenger, lol.

[Lyvia]

Do you have a link indicating her life was threatened? If not it's just more anti MJ propaganda.

LOL, anti-MJ propaganda? I guess we can tell who followed the trial, since it was news during the trial. Kind of hard to miss if you caught even a little of the trial.

[Lyvia]

<snip>
MJ was a legend and his legacy will live on and on, despite those who may attempt to taint it.

There's really no debate. If you saw the trial, you know about the threats and harassment. I really didn't expect anyone to doubt something that's common knowledge.

And as heavy as many hearts are, many people also believed he committed crimes against children. Any taint is his own doing.

[4Life]

I'd edit your post if I were you. Since I and others have stated that we think, MJ molested children, you've just called us ignorant and lacking intelligence.

That's against TOS. Please edit while you still have time.



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[Lyvia]

One fan in particular threatened her to the point that she had actually filed a suit but then dismissed it. I do remember that.

ETA: Pellicano did wiretap DD amongst others. He was definitely a shady character and that's being nice.
Yep, and Pellicano taped DD when she was reporting on Michael Jackson in 1994 while he was working for MJ's lawyer. Shady folks he employed. DD also had her car broken into and other scary things happen. She needed police protection during the trial.

Wasn't it Pellicano who stared down and confronted Jordy Chandler when the accusations broke? A child and he went over there to, imo, intimidate him. I can look for a link for those who don't recall what, again, is common knowledge.

[justaguy]

NG was awfully uncormfortable on her show last night. Sour mouth and banging her pen on the desk. I know her bias on the trial and it sure came out last night. I turned the channel.

it was..odd to see NG covering it. no i dont think she wished him dead but she certainly wished him much ill in life IMO...its like she and diane are mj popgoweasels.. i havent seen or heard from DD in several years..maybe its the channels i watch. certainly both are entitled to their opinion about his guilt..and obviously others shared it...but the dripping malice with which it was covered had me switching to other channels during the trial.

[Lyvia]

We know that it is hard to come forward and that many victims don't. Especially when we also know that when Jordy Chandler came forward, one thing that happened, one of the first things, was that Anthony Pellicano confronted him. The guy who did time on weapons charges. The Michael Jackson machine in action, imo.

Maybe guilt helped send Michael Jackson to his grave. He certainly seemed to have a certain amount of self-loathing.

But it's interesting that he kept sleeping with young boys even after so many near misses, so much money, so much criticism (he cared what people thought). It was so important to him to bring young boys to his bed that he even went on TV to defend the practice, even going as far as to say he would let his own children sleep with an accused child molester, as long as he personally knew the person.

He went on and on about how wonderful it was for adults and children to sleep in bed together and that only people with dirty minds would find it wrong. What a terrible thing to teach children. How vulnerable he was willing to make them to defend his practice. Can you imagine a pedophile luring a child by using Michael Jackson?

Anyone who loved children wouldn't say that. Wouldn't dangle his child for a little attention. People who love children selflessly and not selfishly speak and act very differently.

imo

[Lyvia]

Yep. Just like OJ. Not guilty. Except I don't know how many of OJ's jurors believed he did it, or that he didn't kill Goldman and Brown, but rather someone else. That's what some of Jackson's jurors thought--some thought he molested the child he went to trial for molesting, and one or more believed he molested other children.

It's a shame when a celebrity or anyone gets away with heinous crimes. But it happens.

Anyone who loved children selflessly wouldn't teach them it's loving and wonderful to get into bed with adults. That's the opposite of what someone who loved children selflessly would teach. That's how much Michael Jackson cared about himself over the safety of children. He told the world he'd let his children sleep with an accused child molester.

[Dunlurken]

Diane Diamond is the one who broke Michael Jackson's heart. The accusations by her and Sneddon, which were found to be "unfounded" says it all.

Yep, Michael died of a broken heart due to the charges filed against him. DD can take the credit if she wants to. Up to her. JMO.

[Lyvia]

I really hope Diane Dimond has security. She didn't do a thing wrong, but that won't stop the wrong kind of fan.

So sad that people will shoot (I shudder to write that given what I'm seeing of some fans' behavior) the messenger.

[Lyvia]

LOL, that was hilarious. He couldn't come to trial some days, because he was in so much pain and so frail, then had to come in his pajamas. But he could then jump on an SUV and dance around. He was such a malingerer.

imo

[Mamie]

Prove those arent' his children.

Prove any of what you have said. Prove DD is telling the truth (I think she has lied on more than one occasion).

What was his "sexuality" and his preference? Prove it.

Prove he was a child molester.

Prove those of us who believe differently are "blind sheep." Maybe that's how some of us see you and others who swallow DD's garbage hook, line and sinker.

What are his parents taking out of his home so quickly. Since it was a rented place - probably everything that belonged to Michael and his children. MO

All good statements, aobtd. I'm not a DD fan either but I wanted to speak to why I think MJ's family (bless their hearts for thinking they should and doing this) wanted to remove all his belongings, and that's so that the general public---sick and unsick---didn't remove them before they got a chance to. JMO

[Mamie]

When we stop and think about losing someone we love it really brings home the sadness his family - especially his children - must be going through....... and to have someone like DD going on and on and on with her speculations just makes it worse. There's a time and place for everything and Diane puts being a "hard-hitting investigative reporter" (her words) above being human. MO


Listening to her the other night it came to me that she must be really miserable in her personal life, in order for her to put forth the coverage in the manner she does so easily. I could almost see her salivating. You're right in that there's a time and place for everything and she should have either held back or declined being interviewed at all. The thing I'm dreading, is that the unfavorable aspects of MJ's life will be rehashed for months to come and then we'll have her on the air all over AGAIN! JMO

[Mamie]

And she does it while salivating at the mouth. I can't even watch her. As soon as I see she's on one of those shows just change the channel. :angry:


OMG------you and I are certainly on the same wavelength this morning! LOL

[Dunlurken]

DD totally ruined her career. JMO.

[VC2]

And she does it while salivating at the mouth. I can't even watch her. As soon as I see she's on one of those shows just change the channel. :angry:

I have too. but im lucky i have a close captioned tv that auto turns on the CC when i mute the tv, so if she is on in a panel, i can mute and still read what the other ppl say and ignore her :D

[ABC]

I have too. but im lucky i have a close captioned tv that auto turns on the CC when i mute the tv, so if she is on in a panel, i can mute and still read what the other ppl say and ignore her :D

Hi VC, I use CC all the time cause of my hearing impairment. :biggrin:

[Mamie]

Just read your post. Too funny! Was actually thinking of a sexual term but thought it might be too crude starts with the lette "o" and ends in "m". :laugh:


Oh man! Very good!:laugh:

[Tracian]

MO - I'd like to see DD go the route of Rita Cosby, and I hope it any of the rumors are true the Jackson family - on behalf of Michael's children - will sue her for libel and slander.


Once a person is dead, slander and libel no longer can be litigated.

[Tracian]

I didn't know that. :wub:


I learned that in the ANS case, Rita Cosby stated a great deal about ANS, some of which those that knew her said was completely untrue; however, the only things she can (and is currently) being sued for are things she said about living persons.

[mrsmcgoo]

I learned that in the ANS case, Rita Cosby stated a great deal about ANS, some of which those that knew her said was completely untrue; however, the only things she can (and is currently) being sued for are things she said about living persons.

I didn't know this either! Wow, this is crazy!

So any dirty journalist can slander a dead person and nothing. What a shame! This just makes it harder to know who to believe and not believe while these stories are coming out. I actually have always liked DD and found her sincere in her beliefs. I believe she uncovered many facts that proved in the court of law to be truthful. Especially when one considers that dispite MJ having top notch legal eagles at his disposal, she was never taken to court for anything she reported.

JMO

[Tracian]

I didn't know this either! Wow, this is crazy!

So any dirty journalist can slander a dead person and nothing. What a shame! This just makes it harder to know who to believe and not believe while these stories are coming out. I actually have always liked DD and found her sincere in her beliefs. I believe she uncovered many facts that proved in the court of law to be truthful. Especially when one considers that dispite MJ having top notch legal eagles at his disposal, she was never taken to court for anything she reported.

JMO


There was a big deal about this several years ago; someone was using photos of old movie stars for 'comic' greeting cards, like John Wayne, in lipstick, saying 'It's a bi*ch to be butch'...and the family had no recourse because John Wayne is a public figure, and slander, would not apply because he was already dead.

If MJ had issue with anything DD reported, or wrote in her book, it does seem strange that he did not use his lawyers to go after her.

[mrsmcgoo]

There was a big deal about this several years ago; someone was using photos of old movie stars for 'comic' greeting cards, like John Wayne, in lipstick, saying 'It's a bi*ch to be butch'...and the family had no recourse because John Wayne is a public figure, and slander, would not apply because he was already dead.

If MJ had issue with anything DD reported, or wrote in her book, it does seem strange that he did not use his lawyers to go after her.

Yes, I had always believed what DD said based on the fact that he did not go after her. He certainly had the resources to do so. Too me, she had him and he couldn't touch her because it was all true. Much the same as the auther on the Vanity Fair article. (Sorry, I forget her name)

That's aweful Trac about families not being able to take those to task when reputations are being sullied. I am truly shocked! That's just Not right!!!

JMO

[Tracian]

If he paid people off to get rid of them and avoid a legal battle, why would he waste his time going after DD? She would never have retracted anything she said.........and I'm guessing she's not rolling in $$$$$. MO

A matter of clearing one's good name. It's like when on Judge Judy, she asks why a man didn't fight the restraining order, if he didn't abuse his ex. The man says "I don't want to see her anyway" and Judge Judy always says to that answer "But it is part of your record, if you don't defend against it, that is what people are going to think you are, an abuser"

It would not make a difference to me about the money. If DD was found to have slandered MJ, even if all he got was a judgement, at least then DD would be proved a liar, and MJ would confirm his innocents.

As it stands right now, it only makes people either that feel the jury was wrong, or who are on the fence, consider his apparent willingness to allow without any fight someone to put such things in print about him.

[Pretty Leaf]

All good statements, aobtd. I'm not a DD fan either but I wanted to speak to why I think MJ's family (bless their hearts for thinking they should and doing this) wanted to remove all his belongings, and that's so that the general public---sick and unsick---didn't remove them before they got a chance to. JMO


I really think they removed his belongings now is that another rent was due on July 1st so that $100,000 would not be payable. If that is how the rent arraingment was.

[Tracian]

I don't agree. I think some (me) consider the source = DD = totally unreliable = couldn't care less what she said.

:wink: You think regardless of the outcome of HKS's "trial" some will ever be convinced of his innocence?


LOL...NOPE. That is why I thank the goddess for message boards...fun to fight and defend our opinions.

[psbperu]

DD is a great reporter.

MJ, IMO, will be remembered primarily for the child molestation charges. His unusual metamorphisis second and his music last.

I hope the best for his children and family.

Am in agreement with you.

Jackson settled a civil suit against him on child molestation charges in 1994 for 20 million dollars.

After reading the Grand Jury transcript (last nite) prior to the 2005 trial I believe the prosecutor had no option but to go ahead with the indictment. It was quite damning. (Please don't counter with the phrase about indicting a ham sandwich, read the transcript on thesmokinggun.com)

I certainly wish the best for his children but wonder what some of you mean by "normal" lives considering the various masks & veils they wore out in public & the bizarre behavior of their father. Are any of you aware or privy to the kind of life they have been leading?

As far as Diane Dimond goes..in my opinion, she may "know" more about MJ than the rest of us..a real possibility. She certainly wasn't responsible for his physical transformation, the molestation charges brought against him or the aura of weirdness surrounding him.

JMHO

[mrsmcgoo]

If he paid people off to get rid of them and avoid a legal battle, why would he waste his time going after DD? She would never have retracted anything she said.........and I'm guessing she's not rolling in $$$$$. MO

But she wouldn't have any choice if she was proven to be slandering MJ with her accusations. A judge would have ruled and this case would have been covered extensively by media. He would have been vindicated by many, including me. However, his lack of actions proves to me that DD was speaking truth and had the evidence to back up what she says.

What does her money have to do with this? I am not getting that.
I think she knew dirty secrets about the MJ no one, except his inner circle know.

JMO

[psbperu]

Yes, I had always believed what DD said based on the fact that he did not go after her. He certainly had the resources to do so. Too me, she had him and he couldn't touch her because it was all true. Much the same as the auther on the Vanity Fair article. (Sorry, I forget her name)

That's aweful Trac about families not being able to take those to task when reputations are being sullied. I am truly shocked! That's just Not right!!!

JMO

Maureen Orth wrote about Michael Jackson in Vanity Fair.

She is Tim Russert's widow.

[mrsmcgoo]

MO - he didn't want to dignify her existence. I know I wouldn't. Money = he wouldn't be expecting to get $$$$ if he sued her.


I disagree. MJ was ALL about the fame, the image, the performance. He was an entertainer. No performer wants that kind of publicity and that is why others have sued over false claims and been vindicated. MJ didn't because he couldn't.


I was addressing DD's money, you stated she wasn't rolling in the $$$$.

[mrsmcgoo]

Maureen Orth wrote about Michael Jackson in Vanity Fair.

She is Tim Russert's widow.

Thank you so much! I need to write her name down. :thumbsup:

[~layla~]

MO - he didn't want to dignify her existence. I know I wouldn't. Money = he wouldn't be expecting to get $$$$ if he sued her.

HA~!
MJ was widely known to sue and be sued.... for everything under the sun.

[~layla~]

Maureen Orth wrote about Michael Jackson in Vanity Fair.

She is Tim Russert's widow.
that is certainly interesting... a family with a great rep for telling the truth.

[psbperu]

Thank you so much! I need to write her name down. :thumbsup:

In my opinion Maureen Orth is very credible. She was on Morning Joe the other day and made no bones about her feelings about MJ.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/26/maureen-orth-recounts-mic_n_221334.html

There is a link to her piece on Jackson in Vanity Fair.

[mrsmcgoo]

In my opinion Maureen Orth is very credible. She was on Morning Joe the other day and made no bones about her feelings about MJ.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/26/maureen-orth-recounts-mic_n_221334.html

There is a link to her piece on Jackson in Vanity Fair.


I actually read that article the other day, thank you though. I also posted the link. I was so impressed by the article! I remember reading it when it was published also.

As someone stated above, she is certainly a part of an honorable family.

[gnm109]

It appears that "some" are going to re-hash the whole filthy mess. Why? The trial is over, and MJ was acquitted. Those who are insinuating otherwise should stop it, now! MJ is gone, and a little respect is due.

Frankly, I can't figure out why the "doubters" are even here posting, but that's just me I guess. :blink:

MO

I certainly agree. He was acquitted and that should be the end of it. I didn't admire his lifestyle but his passing made me feel sad for his children.

[Tracian]

Very sad indeed. I don't know that any of us really know what his lifestyle was? The media has long since stopped reporting the news, but has, instead, decided to create it.

I believe nothing they've ever reported about Michael. He was always a very private person, so anything they've ever reported about him has been, for the most part, speculation on their part.

MO


Except the things he said in interviews, and did before the media, he was private.

[mrsmcgoo]

It appears that "some" are going to re-hash the whole filthy mess. Why? The trial is over, and MJ was acquitted. Those who are insinuating otherwise should stop it, now! MJ is gone, and a little respect is due.

Frankly, I can't figure out why the "doubters" are even here posting, but that's just me I guess. :blink:

MO

We are on a crime board so there is bound to be talk of the trial.

This was a part of his life.

:confused:

[Lyvia]

Well, I can't speak for the "doubters," which I assume would anyone not sure, whether they lean toward guilt or not. But I don't have any doubt. I think Michael Jackson molested children.

I'm here because I followed the trial and am interested in the news coverage and am part of this community. It's more of a mystery to me why anyone who can't stand reading anything negative would post somewhere they might see such comments.

We're all welcome as long as we follow the rules; that's my understanding.

[Dunlurken]

I certainly agree. He was acquitted and that should be the end of it. I didn't admire his lifestyle but his passing made me feel sad for his children.

If DD would stay out of the "picture", I doubt any of us would be rehashing the trial. She needs to go away.

I watched a repeat of one show last night.... can't remember if it was JVM or NG. When DD speaks, I laugh. She is/was so biased, nothing she says is believeable. JMO.

[gnm109]

Well, I can't speak for the "doubters," which I assume would anyone not sure, whether they lean toward guilt or not. But I don't have any doubt. I think Michael Jackson molested children.

I'm here because I followed the trial and am interested in the news coverage and am part of this community. It's more of a mystery to me why anyone who can't stand reading anything negative would post somewhere they might see such comments.

We're all welcome as long as we follow the rules; that's my understanding.

I'm sure that many people think as you do regarding the possibility that he molested children. Of course, I don't know, never having been anywhere near him. After hearing about OJ, Phil Spector and Michael Jackson, I no longer believe much of what the media has to say on anything anymore. The newspapers and other news outlets are now mere purveyors of opinioin rather than facts.

The important issue for us to recall is that Michael Jackson was acquitted after a rather hotly contested trial. That settled the matter for me from a legal standpoint and that's the only thing that really counts for me.

[WhiteShark]

Diane Dimond was never sued for her books or her commentary on MJ, so I doubt anything she said was made up.

I also hope that the children will be supported emotionally through this time; and like many, I never wished death to MJ, even if in recent years, he was not the icon I enjoyed as a teenager.


right, and she has never been proven wrong YET!


Bless you Michael...........your music was the soundtrack of my life. I just wish your life would have been happier.

[psbperu]

We are on a crime board so there is bound to be talk of the trial.

This was a part of his life.

:confused:

ITA:

Personally I thought there was some cogent discussion on this thread yesterday & several credible links displayed.

There will be a myriad of comments on Michael Jackson's life on an opinion board by those who feel their observations are just as informed as anyone else's.

As for me...I didn't see a disrespectful attitude towards MJ & that includes me.

[gnm109]

You failed to mention after a long time of unsuccessful settlement talks ....as soon as the police photographed MJ's private parts and they MATCHED the description the boy gave, MJ's side was ready to pony up!

and that wasn't the only cash payoff either..IMO

A cash payoff in a civil suit is not an admission of liability in a proper settlement. Very often, the settling party may wish to avoid costly and lengthy litigation. In fact, a settlement could often be far less costly than a trial.

The California Evidence Code generally states that mediation and settlement negotiations and writings are to be kept confidential and are not relevant in Court.

For DD to reveal these items merely shows that she is a commentator and not an ordinary reporter.

[Abbie]

She also said that he was anerexic.

anyone who is 5'11" and weighs 112 lbs, yes anorexic. Either he ate and puked it back up, or he simply did not eat. JMO

[gnm109]

If you were accused of something you didn't do, you'd pay out 20 million dollars to make it go away? imo

People settle cases out of court all of the time. Why ask me what I would do? I'm only telling you what I've seen. Settling a case is not relevant to prove guilt, anywhere.

20 Milliion was apparently a small sum compared to the entire fortune that MJ had at one time. His debts are now reputed to be in the hundreds of millions of dollars.

I'm done on this topic.

[Mamie]

Have you ever heard of the McMillan child abuse trial? (witch hunt)

If you're talking about the one in California I believe it was the McMartin child abuse trial----the preschool trial? And yes, a witch hunt. JMO

[Dunlurken]

A cash payoff in a civil suit is not an admission of liability in a proper settlement. Very often, the settling party may wish to avoid costly and lengthy litigation. In fact, a settlement could often be far less costly than a trial.

The California Evidence Code generally states that mediation and settlement negotiations and writings are to be kept confidential and are not relevant in Court.

For DD to reveal these items merely shows that she is a commentator and not an ordinary reporter.

I also believe this is why he paid off the first kid. To avoid an embarrassing trial, which DD and Snedden made sure finally happened. Shame on them. The verdict in the trial says it all..... Not Guilty. JMO.

[Dunlurken]

Oh Lord. She's on the Today show. This should be interesting.

[Dunlurken]

My remote does not work fast enough when I see her, Wendy Murphy or Nancy Grace.......

Tell us what her fascinating revelations of the day were ...... or is she still hawking the same ole same ole?

I find it interesting that she is no longer talking about the trial, but is on the "Michael" Bandwagon. She has done a major "about face" and I'm noticing it more and more whenever she's on the air. She still claims he was a drunk and a drug addict, including morphine, meth, and heroine (according to her sources). LOL

Now her concern is for his kids. Well, DD, where were you when he was charged with molesting children and you were pushing the envelope? Then found NG.

[mrsmcgoo]

I also believe this is why he paid off the first kid. To avoid an embarrassing trial, which DD and Snedden made sure finally happened. Shame on them. The verdict in the trial says it all..... Not Guilty. JMO.

But still we have to face the fact that MJ sued everyone, for years. He was famous for it infact. Why not Diane Dimond?

[mrsmcgoo]

Have you ever heard of the McMillan child abuse trial? (witch hunt)

I haven't heard of this case, but will go look it up.

I do however question years and decades of allegations. Once yep, you can see that someone is being rail roaded, but again and again. No, that means there is a problem.

I thank God everyday for people like Diane Dimond that go up against someone as powerful and famous as MJ in the hopes of protecting future children.


JMO

[Lyvia]

I know all about the McMartin daycare trial (even the correct name, lol). And I recently watched an MSNBC documentary about another such case that happened, I believe, in the same timefram. From those decades-old cases, LE learned a lot about how to question children, how not to plant ideas.

Knowing all that, I believe Michael Jackson molested children.

[Firehead11]

And I believe that he didn't. What is the point. Neither one of us can prove our opinion.

About insurance companies and such... Jackson was starting a tour when the first allegation was made. Insurance company paid the 20+ million compared to losing what?????? There are reports that this 50 concert schedule had grossed over 82 million to date. And this series was just to be in England. Imagine the $$$ a world wide tour grossed? Let's see, pay 20 million and continue the tour or pay out many more millions. What would you do?

Jackson had stated over and over again he did not want to settle. The insurance company took that out of his hands.

As far as the last one to make the allegation, you tell me if you would name your child after the man that was suppose to have molested your kid? And now her name is Janet Jackson. That is one sick woman.

[Lyvia]

<snip>What is the point. Neither one of us can prove our opinion.<snip>
If you think there's no point in discussing it, why are you?

<snip> What would you do?<snip>
Clear my name and stop bringing young boys into my bed.

<snip>Jackson had stated over and over again he did not want to settle. <snip>
Michael Jackson lied. A lot. imo.

<snip>As far as the last one to make the allegation, you tell me if you would name your child after the man that was suppose to have molested your kid? And now her name is Janet Jackson. <snip>
I'm not her. Her child's name is her choice and if she said she named him after Michael Jackson, that's not something I would do, but if she simply chose the name, it's not Jackson she named him after. I don't follow her since the trial, except to know she never filed the civil suit she likely would have won. It is also her choice to take her husband's last name. But whatever she did or didn't, do , imo, her child and others were molested by Michael Jackson.

[TBIBeg]

Couldn't agree more!

Me too!

I saw a snippet from an interview from a couple of years ago and there he sits with years of platic surgery disfugurement evident all over hsi face and he keeps telling the interviewer that he has 'never' had any plastic surgery, that it's all made up...it is all lies.

I threw up in my mouth a little. AND, there are people that will sit there, see the bleached skin, 50 nose jobs, cheek implants, chin implant, chin dimple and BELIEVE him over their own eyes.

Someone that will sit and lie when they know the truth is staring you in the face will lie about anything.


He was a liar and IMO a child abuser.

[mrsmcgoo]

http://dianedimond.net/michael-jackson-dead-at-50/#more-1995

Interesting from Diane Dimond's webpage.

[ABC]

http://dianedimond.net/michael-jackson-dead-at-50/#more-1995

Interesting from Diane Dimond's webpage.
I don't expect my comment on the DD website to be approved but none the less, I posted to Dianne, my absolute disapproval of her coverage of the trial. I am not an MJ fan, never bought a record or watched him on the Telly. I have seen more of MJ in the last four days then the fifty years prior. However, I do know when a case has not been proven and clearly those charges against the poor guy was a vendetta on the DA, Diamond and Grace's part. Remember the look on their faces when the MJ fan released a dove at every not quilty verdict? Those middle class every day Americans in Santa Maria, CA got it right. Obviously, MJ was a talent but it was not my thing. May he RIP in his beloved Neverland which was ruined for him by those persecuting him. Hopefully, his family will get peace. I am happy he is going to Neverland and it would be wonderful if the site was developed like Graceland so he is never alone again, like Elvis. RIP and be with the angels. :rose:

[Lyvia]

http://dianedimond.net/michael-jackson-dead-at-50/#more-1995

Interesting from Diane Dimond's webpage.

She always cuts right to it. Thanks for the link!

[mrsmcgoo]

More lies. The settlement was for 15.3M not 30 - but typical DD spin - the whole blog has several inaccuracies.
She is a self-annointed expert but not many others agree. JMO

The Anatomy of A Scam:

Part III - Diane Dimond: Paragon of Deceit

http://surftofind.com/seminal3

Athena, I don't know about that really. I for one appreciate her expertise on the subject of MJ. And I don't really know that she is self -annointed, I never got that from her at all. I know I have with others in different cases, even ones that I have agreed with sometimes can be so over the top they turn me off.

JMO

[VC2]

She wrote a blog that is printed in ABC News but I sure am not going to post it. I didn't even read the entire article just the comments from the readers below. :biggrin:

I have noticed she is not a part of ng or jvms panels the last couple of days

[mrsmcgoo]

I respect your opinion but she totally turned me off during the trial. I downloaded the actual transcripts every single day and what she reported v what the transcripts said were night and day. She presented everything negative about MJ and the what the state's witnesses said but she never reported the rebuttals that negated most of the testimony.

I have never heard DD for an example report that the mother of the boy had gone to a Civil Attorney TWO MONTHS PRIOR to her and the children meeting MJ. The mother and the son both admitted that they had read the complaint by the first alleged victim before meeting MJ. During the trial the boy testified almost verbatim what was in that complaint and DD knowing that complaint never said a word. There were many inconsistencies in his story from one day to the next as though he had forgotten his script. The other state's witnesses were all former employees of MJ's who had brought a lawsuit against him and lost and ALL had axes to grind.

Nah - I don't trust anything she says.


Thank you for stating your belief's in such a respectful way. I too respect your opinions Athena.

:thumbsup:

[GentleBreeze]

But she wouldn't have any choice if she was proven to be slandering MJ with her accusations. A judge would have ruled and this case would have been covered extensively by media. He would have been vindicated by many, including me. However, his lack of actions proves to me that DD was speaking truth and had the evidence to back up what she says.

What does her money have to do with this? I am not getting that.
I think she knew dirty secrets about the MJ no one, except his inner circle know.

JMO

I respectfully don't agree. If MJ went after everyone that was trying to bury him with sensational smut even before he died he would have gone broke a long time ago just by having to pay enormous lawyer fees. Rarely do actors/entertainers sue the ghouls that come out determined to smear them. It is best not to succumb to their trash and try their best to ignore it.

I don't think DD knows diddly about MJ. Oh she likes to pump up she does but I take what DD says with a boatload of salt and then some. If she knew she would have made sure Sneddon knew and he darn sure needed credible witnesses. So imo she is just puffing smoke.

She has had a vendetta against this man because he was a top commodity for the tabloid trash strung up and down the media line. She makes her money off of her slanted and biases views and that is all they were.

In her daily reporting of the trial she made it sound like Sneddon was kicking butt but when one was actually reading the true transcripts Sneddon's case was going down the toilet. She gave the rant against MJ because that is all she wanted the viewers to hear. Everything that coincided with her own biased views.

She is not an ethical reporter imo just like so many aren't in our media today. They run with spin, speculation, add ons, omissions and throw in their own biased rants. They give what they want us to hear.

If one had put this case up side by side with what DD was telling daily and what was really being said in the courtroom we here would have thought we were keeping up with two different cases.

I knew the media had long lost their ethics even before the MJ case and when DD came along that enforced that belief more than ever.

She is a deplorable woman. I refuse to watch her. Thank goodness for the remote.

IMO

[Dunlurken]

Let us not forget, her coverage of the MJ trial was her "claim to fame". So many inaccuracies reported by her, I guess we know where her career is now. In the tank.

I couldn't believe it the other night when she tried to sell her book on TV.

Get real Diane. JMO. :thumbdown:

[FrankieBones1]

Let us not forget, her coverage of the MJ trial was her "claim to fame". So many inaccuracies reported by her, I guess we know where her career is now. In the tank.

I couldn't believe it the other night when she tried to sell her book on TV.

Get real Diane. JMO. :thumbdown:
She appeared to be absolutely gleeful at the news of Jackson's death. His body was barely cold when she brought up all the negatives about his life. It was sickening. Whether it is Dimond or Diamond...Same difference.

[GentleBreeze]

I totally agree.

Hi Goo! TY

That is why I always felt so many were so surprised by the verdict when it came out.

She wasn't breathing a word about the real truth ........that Sneddon's case was going poof right before his eyes and hers!

imo

[GentleBreeze]

MJ did try to sue Diane Dimond; it is very difficult to sue journalists due to the "Shield Law"

A man named Victor Gutierrez appeared on Hard Copy claiming he'd seen a tape of Michael Jackson sexually abusing his nephews. Dimond later repeated his comments on a Los Angeles TV station. When it was proven that Gutierrez made the entire thing up, Jackson filed a lawsuit against him and Hard Copy. Although Dimond was dismissed from the lawsuit because of "journalistic integrity" (which should not even be used in the same sentence with the name "Diane Dimond"), Gutierrez was forced to pay Jackson $2.7 million in damages.

http://mjjr.net/content/mjcase/faq.html

http://www.mjcafe.net/the%20legend%20speeches%20&%20faq/c13.htm

This just makes me want to hurl. hammer

Why are people so ready to sell their souls just to get on tv and say untrue disgusting things?

It still amazes me how so many don't even blink an eye.

I am so glad this jerk had to pay MJ.

And of course DD didn't verify his story. She let him roll and salivating that it would once again humiliate the man she hates.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

The man never paid MJ...he instead left the country.

Figures.:rolleyes:

[GentleBreeze]

ITA. While I understand journalists for privacy reasons are not required to reveal their sources; they should at least investigate that their sources are telling the truth. When the become parrots they serve the person telling the untruth and on and on it goes just as we have now in the MJ case. Most journalists did not tell the truth; they based their reports on his eccentricities instead of the "man" and the truth. They ridiculed him, teased him, on everything from his looks to his lifestyle. They should all be ashamed of themselves and they all have blood on their hands and those that believed him. He was built up and then torn down and his death is a result of that. He was the "Elephant Man". IMO.

They should at least have enough ethics to be self disciplined enough to make sure what they put out has supporting facts instead of hiding behind the shield law. The media today doesn't care about facts. They care about the dollar.

But they dont................they just hurl it out there like flaming spear right into the heart of someone and wants everyone to believe it hook, line and sinker and the most sickening part of it.........is many in our society fall for it every time.:rolleyes:

We can watch tv nightly and see sensationalistic misinformation but it is never corrected........oh no they don't do that........they just pile it on some more the next night.

They all make me nauseated. I have stopped watching most of the shows due to this. I don't even consider DD a reputable reporter. I think of her more as a gossip columnist.

But what can we expect.......the more they hawk their sensationalism trash the more the ratings goes up and the millions come in from advertising and the tabloids who have already made billions over the years just gets richer.

MJ has always been their favorite cash cow.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

MJ lived his life like a circus freak show, the surgeries, the buying of children, the blatant lies, the practice of sleeping with other people's little boys, sham marriages, baby balcony dangling, the veils, the trial, the dancing on the SUV after his arraignment, the spider bite, the pajamas at court, the drugs.

He brought attention to all of those things by USING the media....so IMO he or no one else should whine about it.

He could have just behaved like any other normal human being.


IMO

The media and paparazzi made his life into a freak show.

Duh..........he was happy that 12 people listened to the evidence. I would have danced with joy too. Going on trial has to be the scariest thing ever especially when Sneddon had tried to stack the case against him even before it began.
Duh.........if one is in the hospital and the Judge summons them immediately they have to come the way they are dressed.

Keep up. The veils were insisted upon by DR.

imo

[Pretty Leaf]

Sadly, I think she'll continue running MJ in the ground.........and unfortuntely there will be some who buy everything she is selling. MO


She's an ET correspondant for the MJ stories.

[dirtydiana]

He wasn't Anorexic or Bulemic...this is another Diane Dimond rumor.
He was very, very thin. Thats all.
Think of the stress he was under, that combined with the drugs he was using no wonder he was so very thin.
Did he intentionally not eat.I don't think so, did he eat and then make himslf purge, I don't think so.
But if DD says said it, then it must be true.

:cursing:

anyone who is 5'11" and weighs 112 lbs, yes anorexic. Either he ate and puked it back up, or he simply did not eat. JMO

[disneyfreak]

The media and paparazzi made his life into a freak show.

Duh..........he was happy that 12 people listened to the evidence. I would have danced with joy too. Going on trial has to be the scariest thing ever especially when Sneddon had tried to stack the case against him even before it began.
Duh.........if one is in the hospital and the Judge summons them immediately they have to come the way they are dressed.

Keep up. The veils were insisted upon by DR.

imo

From someone who was AT the courthouse and had relatives in security there...Team Michael Jackson fanned the flames when it came to that circus at the trial.

[disneyfreak]

So no one actually read the book?? :thumbdown:

I did before the trial. it was, well, "interesting" and I don't plan on looking at it again.

[RootBeer]

I did before the trial. it was, well, "interesting" and I don't plan on looking at it again.

I might check it out at the library.

[GentleBreeze]

Isn't that what MJ did right after the trial? He left the country & his debtors high & dry too. imo

Yeah, but he came back and the creditors will be paid.

But as the other guy returned to the states? If so then maybe the estate can get what is owed by him to pay on some of MJs outstanding bills.

After all estates are about liabilities and assets. MJ has caboodles of assets and funds pouring in everyday since his death and it doesn't seem to be letting up.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

He wasn't Anorexic or Bulemic...this is another Diane Dimond rumor.
He was very, very thin. Thats all.
Think of the stress he was under, that combined with the drugs he was using no wonder he was so very thin.
Did he intentionally not eat.I don't think so, did he eat and then make himself purge, I don't think so.
But if DD says said it, then it must be true.

:cursing:

LOL Oh yeah....DD is so truthful..:laugh: Didn't she tell it like it was during her daily briefing of the trial she knew we weren't privy to see? LOL! If one listened to DD, Sneddon had the case all wrapped up and was just snoozing through the rest of it waiting for the guilty verdict.

And even at the trial he weighed 120 pounds then so I don't get where others were saying he was so emaciated if he was only down a few pounds when he passed away. Anyone who goes through a strenuous regiment of a song and dance routines for hours is bound to lose weight.

He actually didn't look skinny in his rehearsal photos imo. He did look slim though but he has always been slimmer based on his height imo.

imo

[TunaMelt.]

I am aware it was "banned" in the usa.

IMO The FIRST and most IMPORTANT clue (imo) should be the FACT that ALL of the other SALICIOUS SEXUAL ALLEGATIONS went UNCHALLENGED.

The ONLY allegation challenged ....was the alledged video tape of MJ molesting a boy when he failed to produce it.

This country banned a book? because it was slanderous to Jackson? That's scary. I didn't know we banned books...help me out, Bly. This can't be true.

Maybe he couldn't get it published here, but surely the book wasn't banned?
:huh:

[TunaMelt.]

Huh? :confused: The book was totally banned in the US. How can you say it was unchallenged? One thing about this country -- the 1st Amendment is a great privilege and our country goes to great lengths to protect it; and when a book is banned -- it is certainly NOT because it was true. Oh and psssst - Jordan Chandler did not keep a diary. LOL

Athena, did the government of the US actually ban the book?

[TunaMelt.]

The court did.

What court?

I don't know anything about this -- but I'm shocked that a book would be banned by the court/government. What court banned it from being published and sold in this country? Federal Court?

Where did it wind up getting published? I saw "Alamo Publishing" but I don't know where it's located.

TIA.

[Unperson1984]

That is because the book was banned in the US. The US rarely bans books and only does when there is good reason to and in this case because it was challenged and deemed slanderous to MJ. This should be a clue as to the validity of this book. JMO

I imagine the publisher pulled the book from circulation. I’ve never heard of the US Government banning any book unless it threatens national security.

I think there is an Amendment about it.

:wink:

[disneyfreak]

Athena, did the government of the US actually ban the book?

No, you can buy the book used. It just made it very hard for the publisher to sell. In fact, Amazon is selling a copy through a private seller.

[TunaMelt.]

No, it wasn't really banned.

The last book ever banned in the USA was Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure, popularly known as Fanny Hill, a novel by John Cleland. imo

Okay.

I know about Fanny Hill. I never heard of another book in modern times that was actually banned.

So the book lied about Jackson and his relationship is what I'm understanding from this. ?? What's the difference between this and thousands of other books that allege events that might never have happened between the author and someone else?

[TunaMelt.]

I imagine the publisher pulled the book from circulation. I’ve never heard of the US Government banning any book unless it threatens national security.

I think there is an Amendment about it.

:wink:

HI unperson.

That's what I thought, too.

For a few minutes there I thought maybe it had been taken away, in honor of Michael Jackson.

I'm glad it's still there.
:wink:

[TunaMelt.]

Chili

imo

Thanks.
He did have to go far far away.
LOL.

[disneyfreak]

It was not published in the US - it was published in Chile.

http://www.worldcat.org/isbn/9562723054

Many of my music books are published in the UK. They simply have better publishers for that type of book in the UK. It doesn't mean anything as they are sold here in the US. Another recent book I read was published in Ireland. Big deal. The author couldn't find a publisher in the US to pick it up, yet it is very popular for those who read about that particular subject matter. If the Gutierrez book was published in Chile so what? As long as it can be sold in the US what do I care? All that matters is whether it can be sold in the US or not.

[disneyfreak]

IMO Fan sites routinely claim it was banned.:wink:

.

They can say whatever they want. The United States version of Amazon has no problem selling it here: http://www.amazon.com/Michael-Jackson-Was-My-Lover/dp/9562723054/

[disneyfreak]

That is a private seller. I can only go by what I have read. The only link I found was from Fox News which I posted above and it says it was banned and that is NOT from an MJ fan site. There were many articles like that back in the day. You will not find that book on sale through normal channels -- only private sellers. :shrug:
It is an approved book available through Amazon's Store program. Amazon routinely sells books this way once they are out of print as long as they are legally able to sell them in the country.

For example, there was a book on Scientology that was banned in the UK. It is not available on Amazon's UK website. The bio of Tom Cruise was also not available at the Amazon UK website (new, used or audio) for the same reason.

[disneyfreak]

Not only is she still around, but writing some great stories including recent articles on the hospitals that abuse Traveling Nurses, and the lack of treatment for vets with mental illnesses including PTSD.

[Pretty Leaf]

I would like to know who her insider source is. They haven't been very reliable.

She will rake MJ in the mud for as long as she can. ET should have known better than to hire her as a "special correspondant"

When HLN doesn't want you anymore that should be a big RED flag.

Bottom Feeder

[Xenam]

I would like to know who her insider source is. They haven't been very reliable.

She will rake MJ in the mud for as long as she can. ET should have known better than to hire her as a "special correspondant"

When HLN doesn't want you anymore that should be a big RED flag.

Bottom Feeder

DD's sources are the dark corners of her mind; within her own imagination which sets forth distorted facts. JMO

[BOZGAL2]

DD's sources are the dark corners of her mind; within her own imagination which sets forth distorted facts. JMO

I would not have even known who she was if not for her so-called reporting on MJ.
I've never believed a word out of her mouth. Much less her writings. JMO

[Zenyatta]

Diane Dimond writes about Dr. Steven Hoefflin, Jackson's former plastic surgeon, and current spokesperson authorized by Katherine and Joe to speak on their behalf:

"It's Getting Even Weirder"
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-08-06/its-getting-even-weirder/

//snip//
The plastic surgeon who built Michael's noses may be the most dubious character in the entire Jackson saga. Diane Dimond on the doctor whose bizarre behavior—like providing goodie bags of syringes filled with Demerol for celebrity patients; climbing a tree with a pellet gun; claiming to work undercover for the DEA and the Secret Service; and filing as a candidate for president—has attracted police attention, including a mental evaluation by the LAPD last year. But that hasn't stopped him from serving as the Jackson family's authorized medical representative, advising them on how to handle lawsuits, doctors, insurance, and the singer's promoter, AEG.
//snip//

[Xenam]

Hmmm...... since when does the LAPD do a mental evaluation? :confused:

I do think DD needs one though. She is as obsessed with MJ as any of his die-hard fans are and either way it is way too extreme. JMO

[GentleBreeze]

Hmmm...... since when does the LAPD do a mental evaluation? :confused:

I do think DD needs one though. She is as obsessed with MJ as any of his die-hard fans are and either way it is way too extreme. JMO

Of course she is obsessed. She knows MJ is her cash cow.

imo

[Emerald]

Didn't DD start many years ago on a show Geraldo had? Seems like I remember he had an afternoon gossip show along the lines of Inside Edition or Current Affair.

Interesting that Geraldo has absolutely nothing to do with her now.

[Xenam]

Didn't DD start many years ago on a show Geraldo had? Seems like I remember he had an afternoon gossip show along the lines of Inside Edition or Current Affair.

Interesting that Geraldo has absolutely nothing to do with her now.

The show was "Hard Copy". Much worse than Current Affair or Inside Edition could ever be. It was strictly a tabloid-like show. JMO

[daniel green]

The night MJ died, Keith Olbermann had her on his show and DD said that it was common knowledge who the bio dad was and that the bio dad acknowledged it.

BTW, I ordered her bio of MJ this past week and it arrived from Amazon 2 days ago. I was expecting something horrific, given all that is said here, but it is actually quite well written.

[Xenam]

The night MJ died, Keith Olbermann had her on his show and DD said that it was common knowledge who the bio dad was and that the bio dad acknowledged it.

BTW, I ordered her bio of MJ this past week and it arrived from Amazon 2 days ago. I was expecting something horrific, given all that is said here, but it is actually quite well written.

It may be well-written but it does NOT mean it is the truth. Sorry but I followed the trial and compared what she reported to what the actual transcripts said and the difference was night and day. This is when I stopped believing anything she had to say. I went into the trial also believing MJ was guilty too and as the trial progressed realized that a lot of what I had read/heard just were not true. JMO

[daniel green]

It names sources and is very well notated as well.

I was impressed that KO had her on--he is who I watch for the day's news--and that he spoke so fondly about her and how they started out working together.

[daniel green]

snipped Sorry but I followed the trial and compared what she reported to what the actual transcripts said and the difference was night and day.

I have read that a lot here. Would you pls give me an example of something she misreported?

Many thx!

[Xenam]

Every day I compared the transcripts to what DD reported. She was the primary reporter then for CTV. Every single day she lied and/or exaggerated the truth. During the trial these discrepancies were pointed out and emails were even sent to CTV highlighting the discrepancies. I suggest you get a hold of the transcripts and compare them to what she has written. JMO

Is this in her book?

http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/gossip/2005/03/16/2005-03-16_da_helped_dimond_out_of_a__h.html


Dimond, who has tangled with Jackson defense attorney Thomas Mesereau, is known to many close observers of the trial for coverage that seems to favor the prosecution in her reports on Court TV, as an analyst for other television outlets and in a newspaper column.

http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/gossip/2005/03/15/2005-03-15_did_jax_reporter_brief_da_.html

[ScoobyDoo]

I have read that a lot here. Would you pls give me an example of something she misreported?

Many thx!




Diane Dimond: Paragon of Deceit



Dimond was also one of the first to report the erroneous story that the prosecution had seized love letters allegedly written by Jackson to the latest accuser. On a November 24, 2003 edition of Larry King Live,5 Dimond, along with famed attorney Johnnie Cochran, Chris Pixley and Court TV’s Nancy Grace, did not hesitate much when discussing them:

http://web.archive.org/web/20050404063431/http://www.sneddonexposed.com/

[Xenam]

Diane Dimond: Paragon of Deceit

In her own words, she is just a determined investigative journalist who is determined to get to the bottom of a huge story. To her credit, Dimond did offer some sound advice concerning how to evaluate a story: “You have to listen carefully to the reporters. If they're giving their opinion, that's not necessarily the truth. You have to, as a listener or viewer, think logically for yourself. What is true and what is false?”3 Following these wise words, we invite readers to assess the veracity of several stories Ms. Dimond has reported.

http://surftofind.com/seminal3

[Xenam]

District Attorney Nola Foulston of Kansas tells Greta Van Susteren of Fox that she just got off the phone with Michael Jackson DA Tom Sneddon who emphatically said no love letters were seized from Michael Jackson's house. The finding of letters was reported by Diane Dimond on Greta's show last night. We really like Diane, but we think she might be better off flying to Salt Lake to investigate the Osmonds for jaywalking.

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2003/11/24/574/91970

Jackson spokesman Stuart Backerman said the weirdo warbler will not use the Web site to refute reports that cops confiscated a dozen love letters to the boy from Neverland Ranch. "We're not going to have a play-by-play response to the harebrained allegations that come up," he said.

But Diane Dimond, the Court TV reporter who broke the current Michael Jackson scandal, said, "I absolutely know of their existence" and described them as "so salacious."


http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/2003/11/25/2003-11-25_jacko_no_laughing_matter__co.html

[daniel green]

Yeah, she was a hoot. I do remember her.

[daniel green]

snipped. I suggest you get a hold of the transcripts and compare them to what she has written. JMO

]

I kinda figured that would be the response.

[RootBeer]

Does anyone think DD's book is worth reading?

[who_is_it]

Diane Dimond: Paragon of Deceit



Dimond was also one of the first to report the erroneous story that the prosecution had seized love letters allegedly written by Jackson to the latest accuser. On a November 24, 2003 edition of Larry King Live,5 Dimond, along with famed attorney Johnnie Cochran, Chris Pixley and Court TV’s Nancy Grace, did not hesitate much when discussing them:

http://web.archive.org/web/20050404063431/http://www.sneddonexposed.com/

I rarely say something negative about Michael but this song "D.S." mentioned in your link was an immense provocation -- specially for a conservative person what I believe Sneddon to be. For sure it doesn't justify the DA's later actions imo.

[RootBeer]

I enjoyed it, It was very well written and she names many sources. Easy read & great for the beach

Thanks, that may be the next one I read.

[daniel green]

You know, for all the smack talking about Diane Dimond, she is a very experienced and well regarded journalist.

Diane has been at the center of countless other major news stories as well. She was the first to report the story of rape at the Kennedy compound in Palm Beach, Florida and to identify William Kennedy Smith as the accused. And Dimond has been praised for her hard-hitting interviews with a number of infamous prison inmates including: Pamela Smart, a school teacher serving a life sentence for enticing her high school lover to kill her husband; James Earl Ray, the convicted assassin of Martin Luther King Jr.; Jeffery McDonald, the convicted "Fatal Vision Killer"; Kenneth Bianchi, the convicted "Hillside Strangler" and Dimond is the only reporter to have ever interviewed Richard Allen Davis, the convicted killer of Polly Klass.

She began her broadcasting career in Albuquerque, New Mexico. At the fifty thousand watt KOB Radio she wrote and anchored the morning newscasts and her investigative series on corruption within the local sheriff’s department earned her the prestigious Silver Gavel Award from the American Bar Association.

In 1976, Dimond moved across the country to Washington, DC to anchor newscasts for National Public Radio’s “All Things Considered.” In 1980 she became Correspondent for the RKO Radio Network, assigned to cover Capitol Hill, the White House and various Washington agencies. She became the networks National Political Correspondent and covered the campaigns of both President Ronald Regan and his challenger Walter Mondale.

Finally making a move into television in 1986 Dimond’s first TV news job was at the flagship CBS Station in New York. At WCBS she earned several awards for covering such groundbreaking stories as the “Baby M” surrogate mother case.

Dimond went into syndicated television in 1990 when she became the investigative reporter for the program Hard Copy. Time Magazine cited Diane’s continuing coverage of the Michael Jackson story as among "The Best TV of '93". Dimond also made headlines when she acquired and aired the actual interrogation tape of OJ Simpson being questioned by the Los Angeles police department. She then anchored the nationally syndicated program EXTRA and made headlines with her expose of the deceptive practices of the Jerry Springer show, among other investigative reports.

In 1998 Diane moved to NBC and partnered with Geraldo Rivera to co-anchor CNBC’s nightly newscast, UpFront Tonight. Among other top-shelf stories she anchored extensive live reports from Washington on the impeachment proceedings against former President Bill Clinton. After moving to MSNBC Dimond hosted the series, “Missing Persons”, anchored major news blocks and, among other stories, covered the 2000 presidential campaign, traveling with three of the candidates, George W. Bush, Al Gore and Ralph Nader. Dimond also became known as the correspondent who spent 35 straight days outside the Vice President’s residence in Washington as the nation awaited the final, controversial recount of the vote.

After the September 11th 2001 terror attack in New York City Diane anchored live programs on the Fox News Channel where she specialized in the network’s continuing coverage of the war on terrorism. Her live interviews with military and policy newsmakers were often quoted by other news organizations.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/diane-dimond

[sallemae]

You know, for all the smack talking about Diane Dimond, she is a very experienced and well regarded journalist.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/diane-dimond



Sounds like ole DD could be handing out some serious cash for interviews. Wasn't it during the OJ trial, she or the company she worked for were paying for info? We all know money buys lies.....IMO

And I do believe several links were provide stating DD HAD IT WRONG!
imo

[GentleBreeze]

I don't see DD on many networks anymore, thank goodness.

I have always thought she was more of a yellow tabloid type reporter. Sort of how I think of Rita Cosby, who I have no respect for either. Hard Copy was perfect for DD as she tends to gravitate toward sensationalism, speculation and wild accusations.

I did not watch DD do her daily reports. But I wrote Dimond off after hearing about her report daily on nightly shows during the MJ criminal trial and hearing her shrill about Sneddon and refusing to let the public really know that Sneddon was being beaten like a drum in court. Her biases were rampant. And it was obvious when I read the actual transcripts. One would have thought two different trials were going on. The one in DDs head and the one that really was happening.

She tried to make it seem like it was a given for the State. I fault DD for why the country was shocked when MJ was found Not Guilty. If she had been honest with her viewers, and actually told what was happening on both sides in that courtroom, then the public would have known how the case was going to end, rather than be titillated by DDs spin all in Sneddon's favor. In the end it had to be more embarrassing for Sneddon because she really set him up and when he lost miserably he looked even worse, if possible.

I could not believe how she twisted the MJ case. When anyone reads the actual transcripts compared to DDs musings it is shocking that one reporter can be so blatantly biased and so willing to keep the truth from her viewers just to suit her own personal agendas.

imo

[RootBeer]

I haven't seen DD on tv either in a while now. :sad:

[GentleBreeze]

She's on ET right now.

His mother will not visit his body and refuses to make decision about burying him.

Forest Lawn does not offer freezer services nor any form of cryonic services.

Is that what DD says?:biggrin:

Well I have to say she is consistently wrong.

Yes, Forest Lawn does have preservative refrigeration.


http://www.forestlawn.com/Downloads/gpl.pdf

Page 8

[RootBeer]

She's on ET right now.

His mother will not visit his body and refuses to make decision about burying him.

Forest Lawn does not offer freezer services nor any form of cryonic services.

Spoke too soon. I saw her last night also. :biggrin:

[GentleBreeze]

I do think she said..."long term."

I think I'll call myself tomorrow and ask if they have a freezer to store someone in for a few months;)

Then by all means do. They charge $50 per day after first three days. No where does it state there is a time limit.

I think the Jackson family can muster up that little amount of money for just two months in refrigeration.

Either way, DD is wrong, but then that is a common habit of hers.

Too bad she doesn't even do her homework before she does her spiel.

imo

[retiredcop]

I always liked DD's reporting. She is pro prosecution. Good for her. It's tiresome seeing the pro defense reporters all the time.

in my opinion

[Emerald]

I always liked DD's reporting. She is pro prosecution. Good for her. It's tiresome seeing the pro defense reporters all the time.

in my opinion

JMO

DD is not a reporter. She is a commentator. Big difference.

[daniel green]

She most certainly is a reporter.

[daniel green]

I just got off the phone.

They DO NOT have nor offer LONG TERM refridgeration. A few days at most.

The number is 1-800-204-3131 if ya want to ask yourself!

Well, ain't that a kick in the pants.

[ScoobyDoo]

She most certainly is a reporter.


Just not a good or ethical one.

[Pretty Leaf]

I just got off the phone.

They DO NOT have nor offer LONG TERM refridgeration. A few days at most.

The number is 1-800-204-3131 if ya want to ask yourself!


http://books.google.com/books?id=QbRreZuttqMC&pg=PA78&lpg=PA78&dq=how+long+can+corpse+be+refrigerated&source=bl&ots=Xqpu45hYPU&sig=YhI6kAj48QKwLmBvFo_QbqPQPVc&hl=en&ei=DQCPSuiHCo2llAfKlfW0DA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8#v=onepage&q=&f=false

end of page 78 into page 79


Corpse of J. Paul Getty, embalmed and kept under refridgeration at Forest Lawn Memorial Park in Glendale Cal. for almost 3 years....

Besides Michael has been there over a month so "a few days" is not true in his case or Getty's.

Wonder if your famous you can stay refridgerated as long as it takes, while normal folks would get a few days?

[Pretty Leaf]

MJ is hangin out in a borrowed crypt until final burial. The family unfortunately is being very greedy.

Greedy???? Because they haven't buried him yet? Who cares if it is a borrowed crypt., which I have not heard but may be true. It is not costing anyone a penny with the exception of the family. Who cares where he is right now, none of our business.

The question above was if he could be refridgerated, and for what length of time.

[Emerald]

JMO

IF MJ is in a casket. What's the need for refrigeration? Graves are not refrigerated.

[GentleBreeze]

Greedy???? Because they haven't buried him yet? Who cares if it is a borrowed crypt., which I have not heard but may be true. It is not costing anyone a penny with the exception of the family. Who cares where he is right now, none of our business.

The question above was if he could be refrigerated, and for what length of time.

I haven't heard anywhere that it is borrowed.

Gordy who loved MJ for many many years is giving the crypt where he can remain for eternity. So it certainly isn't borrowed.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

JMO

IF MJ is in a casket. What's the need for refrigeration? Graves are not refrigerated.

Some crypts do have ventilation systems and temp control installed in the walls of the crypt.

Refrigeration is to preserve the body to its maximum.

Imo, because there will be one last viewing before he is entombed.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

I just got off the phone.

They DO NOT have nor offer LONG TERM refridgeration. A few days at most.

The number is 1-800-204-3131 if ya want to ask yourself!

LOL! No thank you. I dont make calls pretending to want to know legimate information just because I am on a crime message board. I dont even live in California and would certainly have no reason to be calling a CL based cemetary.

Oh there are exceptions all the time and this is one of them but imo it most likely has not been the only one.

I doubt they really gave you the answer they knew you were fishing for by saying that MJ is still being refrigerated.:wink: There is no time limit and it is up to FL and they can deviate anytime there is a need to do so.

imo

[daniel green]

I haven't heard anywhere that it is borrowed.

Gordy who loved MJ for many many years is giving the crypt where he can remain for eternity. So it certainly isn't borrowed.

imo

HUH? :confused: What does Gordy have to do with this?

[Emerald]

JMO

Another viewing at this point could be traumatic. The children already know he is dead They saw him in the hospital.

Burial is the next emotional step for them.

The children and Family will never 'get over' MJ's death. They need the steps to help deal with it.

IMO

[sallemae]

JMO

Another viewing at this point could be traumatic. The children already know he is dead They saw him in the hospital.

Burial is the next emotional step for them.

The children and Family will never 'get over' MJ's death. They need the steps to help deal with it.

IMO


Is it an actual viewing or just a final service.