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ellegna

07-21-2009, 09:44 AM

MICHAEL JACKSON'S CONFUSED SON

British actor Mark, who rose to fame as a child star in movie musical 'Oliver!', also revealed his three godchildren - who are currently being looked after by Michael's mother Katherine Jackson, who has temporary custody of them - have begged to spend this Christmas with him and his family.
He said: "Paris was disappointed my daughters couldn't come to the memorial. She asked me, 'Can we come and stay with you at Christmas and I can bring the presents?'
"I was very touched and still hope it can be arranged. It's difficult to say until the custody arrangements have been finalised."

http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/article/michael-jacksons-confused-son_1110338

Don't know if this has been discussed but it has been on my mind for a while.

When my brother and I were little, mom had some medical issues and drew up a Will. She specifically included a clause we were to continue being raised as catholic and attend catholic schools.

Watching MJ's home videos, Liz Taylor stated MJ broke away from JW. Liz decided to decorate his house so MJ could celebrate his first Christmas. There are also videos celebrating MJ's childrens' birthdays.
JW do not permit celebrations of this kind.

IIRC, there has been reports MJ's children have attended Kingdom Hall with Rebbie and the nanny. If the Jackson's decide to raise the children as JW, these poor kids will no longer be allowed to enjoy special occasions they have grown accustomed to while MJ was alive. Come Christmas, how confused and disappointed will the children be to discover they can't have a decorated tree or open presents?

I'm surprised MJ did not make provisions whether the children should be raised as JW or not.

Ontario

07-21-2009, 12:38 PM

The older two do look 100 % caucasian although the youngest looks Indian from India to me.

I thought the very same thing when I saw him at the funeral holding the little Michael Jackson doll in his hands, his hair, the texture, and his cute little face with the eyes looked to me like he was Indian, was not Michael there around the time he told the world about Blanket, but he is a cutie, but the bottom line is who cares who the father is or the mother, all 3 are so very young, and I just pray that they may now may have a normal life, play with other children, ride bikes do what every other normal child loves to do.

That is all I hope for!! Pure happiness for all 3!!

Ontario

07-21-2009, 12:42 PM

Michael Jackson was savy in many ways. Including the execution of his will. I am betting he had a good talk with both his mother and Ms Ross when he delegated guardians.

Wrong Miss Ross said she knew nothing about it, she was on T.V the other night.

sunnydale

07-21-2009, 04:31 PM

I've been back and forth in my head on who should be able to raise Michael's three children. At first I thought Debbie should get them. Then the day of the memorial, I saw that the children seemed connected to the Jacksons so I thought, Okay, Michael named Katherine as their guardian and the Jackson's included the children in the memorial (which I thought was great) and they seemed to be comfortable with the family. Then Paris spoke and after went into Janet's arms and they all hugged and I felt that is where the children should be.

Let them live with Katherine and Debbie can have visitation rights. Debbie can teach them to ride horses and bond. The children should be loved by all of them and know all of them. IMO.

bkwits

07-21-2009, 06:51 PM

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I would like to see Debbie get the kids. I really think she can make a turn-around. but this is JMO';

FWIW...there was a poll on AOL who should raise MJ's kids. The bio moms out ranked Katherine Jackson 42% to 35%. The other choices were ... Diana Ross, anybody but Joe J., and don't know.

retiredcop

07-21-2009, 06:52 PM

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I would like to see Debbie get the kids. I really think she can make a turn-around. but this is JMO

I think I would like Ms Rowe as a friend. She looks down to earth, straight talking, and with a lot of moxie. She reminds me of an Aunt of mine. Motorcycle riding, cigarette smoking, beer drinking, pool shooting, crazy lady who I loved dearly. Country music loving too. She always had me in stitches. I would beg to spend every summer with her. lol

I think the children would really get to like Ms Rowe. I hope they have a chance to know her.

in my opinion

GentleBreeze

07-21-2009, 09:02 PM

vonna

07-21-2009, 09:31 PM

If I was going to bet that any of the children are biologically related to Michael, it would be Blanket. I can see a resemblance there. And I have seen many bi-racial children of the complexion of Prince and Paris. I think Paris looks a lot like Debbie Rowe except darker haired and complexioned. Her eyes are exactly like Debbie's. And to tell the truth, none of this makes any difference. He was legally and emotionally and in all of the ways that really mattered, the father to these children. I have a lot of issues with a lot of things MJ did but, from everything that has ever come out, he was an excellent and loving father.

Very well stated. I agree with you.

retiredcop

07-21-2009, 09:34 PM

I believe that all three children should be with the family they have known since birth.

These children should not be separated for any reason. They are as much bio siblings as any bio child. They are one family unit, the three children of Michael Jackson's.

Imo, they certainly shouldn't be made to live with a woman they don't even know and Blanket isn't even DRs child.

There will be many women in the Jackson family more than willing and wanting to assist in raising them. Also their love for Grace can continue to flourish. With Grace they will always have a special connection to their daddy for she has been there with them and MJ since they were born.

Katherine Jackson knows how to remain low key and live her daily life. She will be very protective of these children especially protecting them from the media. She knows how her son had to endure the pain and suffering the media caused him constantly.

imo

They have not spent much time with the Jackson clan. We have discussed this before. There are some cousins they didn't even know at all. Mr. Jackson kept them away most of the time.

There have already been pictures of the children going to church. Katherine Jackson has not prevented that. Furthermore, I don't agree Katherine Jackson will protect them from Joe.

They do know Ms Rowe. They call her Miss Debbie, remember?

There is no reason Ms Rowe couldn't take all three children. It wouldn't be unheard of for a judge to do that. Since Mr Jackson loved all three, I think Ms Rowe would do so too, for Mr Jackson.

They would get to know her better and should be given that chance. If it is visiting rights or staying with her full time.

I think the Jackson clan is too dysfunctional to raise those children. It's possible the judge will feel that way also.

As for the nanny, they should not be too attached to an employee that can be fired or quit at anytime. That is not a stable relationship. I think the love they feel for her as mom has been way over blown. I don't think Mr Jackson would have allowed that to occur. She was not their mom and there would have been no reason for Mr Jackson to have allowed that to go on. Besides, she probably has a life of her own.

in my opinion

retiredcop

07-21-2009, 09:40 PM

Very well stated. I agree with you.

I also agree about Paris looking very much like her mother. I thought that when I first saw her picture. I think the eyes are identical.

in my opinion

GentleBreeze

07-21-2009, 10:01 PM

They have not spent much time with the Jackson clan. We have discussed this before. There are some cousins they didn't even know at all. Mr. Jackson kept them away most of the time.

There have already been pictures of the children going to church. Katherine Jackson has not prevented that. Furthermore, I don't agree Katherine Jackson will protect them from Joe.

They do know Ms Rowe. They call her Miss Debbie, remember?

There is no reason Ms Rowe couldn't take all three children. It wouldn't be unheard of for a judge to do that. Since Mr Jackson loved all three, I think Ms Rowe would do so too, for Mr Jackson.

They would get to know her better and should be given that chance. If it is visiting rights or staying with her full time.

I think the Jackson clan is too dysfunctional to raise those children. It's possible the judge will feel that way also.

As for the nanny, they should not be too attached to an employee that can be fired or quit at anytime. That is not a stable relationship. I think the love they feel for her as mom has been way over blown. I don't think Mr Jackson would have allowed that to occur. She was not their mom and there would have been no reason for Mr Jackson to have allowed that to go on. Besides, she probably has a life of her own.

in my opinion

There is nothing saying that Katherine Jackson is too dysfunctional to raise these grandchildren just as she is raising some of her other grandchildren.

Over 12, 11 and 7 years we have no clue how much time they have spent with Katherine. It was obvious at the memorial that the children have a very warm attachment to their daddy's side of the family. I think the dysfunctional yada yada yada has been spoon fed to the public because it boost ratings and tabloid sales. Name me the dysfunctional things that Katherine Jackson has supposedly done in the past 20 years.

If he had wanted DR to raise his children he would have instructed that in the Will. No Judge in their right mind is going to rip these children apart and they are not going to place the baby child with someone he doesn't even know and isn't even kin to him.

My children knew plenty of "Miss XXXXXXs" they certainly wouldn't want to move away from their family and go live with them and these children imo will never tell this Judge they do want to go live with Miss Debbie.

It is not up to you or I to define Grace's relationship with the three children. They always called her "Mom", not an employee or a Nanny. Since they have done this all of their lives I highly doubt that MJ minded it one bit.

She does have a life. She immediately returned to be with the children that she had cared for since their birth. I think their happiness, is her main goal in life.

I dont care if they never spent time with Joe. Joe is not going to get the children either.

retiredcop

07-21-2009, 10:36 PM

There is nothing saying that Katherine Jackson is too dysfunctional to raise these grandchildren just as she is raising some of her other grandchildren.

Over 12, 11 and 7 years we have no clue how much time they have spent with Katherine. It was obvious at the memorial that the children have a very warm attachment to their daddy's side of the family. I think the dysfunctional yada yada yada has been spoon fed to the public because it boost ratings and tabloid sales. Name me the dysfunctional things that Katherine Jackson has supposedly done in the past 20 years.

If he had wanted DR to raise his children he would have instructed that in the Will. No Judge in their right mind is going to rip these children apart and they are not going to place the baby child with someone he doesn't even know and isn't even kin to him.

My children knew plenty of "Miss XXXXXXs" they certainly wouldn't want to move away from their family and go live with them and these children imo will never tell this Judge they do want to go live with Miss Debbie.

It is not up to you or I to define Grace's relationship with the three children. They always called her "Mom", not an employee or a Nanny. Since they have done this all of their lives I highly doubt that MJ minded it one bit.

She does have a life. She immediately returned to be with the children that she had cared for since their birth. I think their happiness, is her main goal in life.

I dont care if they never spent time with Joe. Joe is not going to get the children either.

What about the pictures? You said Katherine would keep them away from the media. She's not off to a very good start.

I won't debate Grace with you any further. She is a nanny, an employee, and that's all. She is not their mom.

As far as Katherine being dysfunctional, I believe standing by while her husband beat their kids for years is not only dysfunctional, but criminal. Whose to say she wouldn't stand by and watch the same beatings occur with the grandkids? I don't think it's worth taking the chance. We don't need to see history repeating itself. She is still seeing Joe on a regular basis. She is allowing him to push her into contesting the executors.

These children don't know the Jackson clan well and may not even be kin as you say. Blanket may be as much kin to Mr Rowe as all the children are kin to the Jacksons.

As far as how the children acted at the memorial, they were upset and in shock. They would have clung to a tree truck if it was there.

By the way, if someone else's children are Grace's life, she needs counseling.

in my opinion

daniel green

07-21-2009, 11:00 PM

I believe that all three children should be with the family they have known since birth.

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That would be good, except they have not known many members of said family and certainly have not spent a lot/any time around them.

daniel green

07-21-2009, 11:04 PM

The older two do look 100 % caucasian although the youngest looks Indian from India to me.

My thoughts, exactly, ABC.

GentleBreeze

07-21-2009, 11:10 PM

What about the pictures? You said Katherine would keep them away from the media. She's not off to a very good start.

I won't debate Grace with you any further. She is a nanny, an employee, and that's all. She is not their mom.

As far as Katherine being dysfunctional, I believe standing by while her husband beat their kids for years is not only dysfunctional, but criminal. Whose to say she wouldn't stand by and watch the same beatings occur with the grandkids? I don't think it's worth taking the chance. We don't need to see history repeating itself. She is still seeing Joe on a regular basis. She is allowing him to push her into contesting the executors.

These children don't know the Jackson clan well and may not even be kin as you say. Blanket may be as much kin to Mr Rowe as all the children are kin to the Jacksons.

As far as how the children acted at the memorial, they were upset and in shock. They would have clung to a tree truck if it was there.

By the way, if someone else's children are Grace's life, she needs counseling.

in my opinion

I saw one photo of them attending church. What loads of other photos have been showing the children out and about? Was the media cameras right in their faces?

We have no idea if she is contesting because of Joe. That just sells tabloids and blog fodder. In fact an article said she is not going to fight who the administrators are. So minute by minute the media spin changes.

Well you can try your best to demean Grace and it doesn't matter one whit to those children or change what is in their heart for Grace which imo is a whole lot of love.

The Jackson are legally kin to all three children. They are the family of the legal father, MJ.

MJ was a child then. He was 50 years old when he died. Like I asked, where is she dysfunctional in the past 20 years. I have never seen one person who knows KJ have anything to say about her but the most glowing words imaginable and MJ adored his mother.

Well there again you can try to say these children don't love the Jacksons but they sure looked like they did to me and I imagine they are going to tell the Judge that very thing.

Really she needs counseling? lol I think she is a woman who loves these children deeply and doesn't mind supporting them emotionally as long as it takes.

Where you get that a mother figure has to be blood kin, I have no clue. Love is not defined by the blood flowing through a person's veins but it comes straight from the heart. If that was the criteria then no bio mother or bio dad would be abusing/neglecting/torturing or murdering their own children.:rolleyes:

imo

GentleBreeze

07-21-2009, 11:15 PM

That would be good, except they have not known many members of said family and certainly have not spent a lot/any time around them.

They don't have to know everyone.

I do think they do know their grandmother, Rebbie and Janet very well.

It is Katherine that MJ wanted to have custody not the entire Jackson family although I am sure they know more than the ones I have listed.

imo

retiredcop

07-21-2009, 11:41 PM

I saw one photo of them attending church. What loads of other photos have been showing the children out and about? Was the media cameras right in their faces?

We have no idea if she is contesting because of Joe. That just sells tabloids and blog fodder. In fact an article said she is not going to fight who the administrators are. So minute by minute the media spin changes.

Well you can try your best to demean Grace and it doesn't matter one whit to those children or change what is in their heart for Grace which imo is a whole lot of love.

The Jackson are legally kin to all three children. They are the family of the legal father, MJ.

MJ was a child then. He was 50 years old when he died. Like I asked, where is she dysfunctional in the past 20 years. I have never seen one person who knows KJ have anything to say about her but the most glowing words imaginable and MJ adored his mother.

Well there again you can try to say these children don't love the Jacksons but they sure looked like they did to me and I imagine they are going to tell the Judge that very thing.

Really she needs counseling? lol I think she is a woman who loves these children deeply and doesn't mind supporting them emotionally as long as it takes.

Where you get that a mother figure has to be blood kin, I have no clue. Love is not defined by the blood flowing through a person's veins but it comes straight from the heart. If that was the criteria then no bio mother or bio dad would be abusing/neglecting/torturing or murdering their own children.:rolleyes:

imo

Where did I say a mother figure has to be kin? You first brought that up with regard to Blanket not being kin to Ms Rowe.

So now I take it from your last paragraph, Blanket doesn't have to be kin to Ms Rowe to be raised by her? With time they can bond just like with the nanny, but much more stable and real not to mention permanent.

in my opinion

GentleBreeze

07-22-2009, 08:58 AM

Where did I say a mother figure has to be kin? You first brought that up with regard to Blanket not being kin to Ms Rowe.

So now I take it from your last paragraph, Blanket doesn't have to be kin to Ms Rowe to be raised by her? With time they can bond just like with the nanny, but much more stable and real not to mention permanent.

in my opinion

Grace has been with them since birth. They know her and trust her and consider her their mom.

Big difference in DR and Grace.

IMO

retiredcop

07-22-2009, 10:33 AM

Grace has been with them since birth. They know her and trust her and consider her their mom.

Big difference in DR and Grace.

IMO

Yes, there is a BIG difference between Ms Rowe and Grace. One is the mother and one is not.

I don't know where the information about Grace's relationship with the children came from. Do you know?

in my opinion

GentleBreeze

07-22-2009, 10:51 AM

Yes, there is a BIG difference between Ms Rowe and Grace. One is the mother and one is not.

I don't know where the information about Grace's relationship with the children came from. Do you know?

in my opinion

Not in my opinion, retiredcop.

One birthed them and one has taken care of their needs and has nurtured them for almost all of their lives. That is a big difference and imo these kids do not look at Miss Debbie as their mom.

I don't know the specifics. Maybe you can do a google search. There should be lots of info out there. It has well been publicized for many years about her special relationship with the children. If you look at some of the photos of Grace and the children when they are unaware that their picture had been taken you see such relaxed kids as they each hold her hand. I am so thankful that Grace has been in these children's lives and so thankful she now has returned and I read they were delighted she is now staying with them and Katherine. I think that shows that KJ even knows what a wonderful bond they have with each other.

Having a baby does not make a mother. Many children who have been adopted by non biological parents never consider their birth mother or birth father their "mom" or "dad" even if they may meet later on.

imo

Unperson1984

07-22-2009, 11:07 AM

Not in my opinion, retiredcop.

One birthed them and one has taken care of their needs and has nurtured them for almost all of their lives. That is a big difference and imo these kids do not look at Miss Debbie as their mom.

I don't know the specifics. Maybe you can do a google search. There should be lots of info out there. It has well been publicized for many years about her special relationship with the children. If you look at some of the photos of Grace and the children when they are unaware that their picture had been taken you see such relaxed kids as they each hold her hand. I am so thankful that Grace has been in these children's lives and so thankful she now has returned and I read they were delighted she is now staying with them and Katherine. I think that shows that KJ even knows what a wonderful bond they have with each other.

Having a baby does not make a mother. Many children who have been adopted by non biological parents never consider their birth mother or birth father their "mom" or "dad" even if they may meet later on.

imo

I understand what you are saying, but she is still an employee. She could leave on a whim or be fired. So how good is it for the children to be so attached to her? Do we know why she was fired last year?

How old is Grace?

Nic99

07-22-2009, 11:36 AM

Firehead11

07-22-2009, 11:37 AM

Do you know the reason why the Jackson Family has yet to bury Michael? I certainly do not know the reason. We can only speculate.

Just as we can only speculate how DR or Katherine would be with the children. We have seen pictures of the children with Grace for years.

Personally, I would like to see Janet take care of them. I always thought that her and Michael were very close. She is young, she does not live with the rest of the family and I believe that she won't take any grief from anyone. But that is just my personal opinion.

Firehead11

07-22-2009, 11:47 AM

MJ's fourth child? I found this link today regarding a possible 4th child of MJ, Omer Bhatti, who is 25 yrs old and was sat on the front row at the Memorial Concert. He's going to have a DNA test now? Shame he waited until now....... strange imo. Have you heard of this before?

http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/article/jacksons-fourth-child-sat-alongside-family-at-memorial_1110439

This came out back years ago.

http://www.bing.com/search?q=Omer+Bhatti+&first=1&FORM=PERE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWNo-BfWwZw
He MIGHT have gotten a seat because he seems to have worshipped Jackson. The video shows Omer dancing. However, I can't understand a word they are saying.

Nic99

07-22-2009, 11:53 AM

This came out back years ago.

http://www.bing.com/search?q=Omer+Bhatti+&first=1&FORM=PERE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWNo-BfWwZw
He MIGHT have gotten a seat because he seems to have worshipped Jackson. The video shows Omer dancing. However, I can't understand a word they are saying.

Okay, thanks for the info.

GentleBreeze

07-22-2009, 12:03 PM

IMO It's not fair to use the little bit we witnessed at the memorial. The children just lost their father and were emotional, Paris clung to Janet simply because she was there. Yes, the interaction was warm. I've comforted many a scared, frightened child, that I just met, the same way.

I do think they should remain together and go to Debbie Rowe.

The Jackson clan can not even get it together to lay Michael to rest. imo

While Grace was certainly an influence in their lives, she was the hired help. Their father made that painfully clear whenever he got annoyed with her and dismissed her. imo You don't think she would be willing to be a nanny to the children if they lived with Debbie Rowe? imo

Then maybe you can explain the part that I have bolded.

In one breath you say it is unfair to use the little we witnessed at the memorial and then in the next breath you say "Paris simply clung to Janet because she was there.":confused: So unfair for whom?

You have no idea how these three children look at Grace. I highly doubt they think "oh she is just an employee":rolleyes:

Debbie is into breeding brood mares not raising three human beings that she said from the very start didn't want to be their mother.

IMO, she will not get these children, not even Paris and Prince. I don't even think she will try to seek custody of these kids. She may want visitation rights with the oldest two.

imo

vonna

07-22-2009, 12:29 PM

Then maybe you can explain the part that I have bolded.

In one breath you say it is unfair to use the little we witnessed at the memorial and then in the next breath you say "Paris simply clung to Janet because she was there.":confused: So unfair for whom?

You have no idea how these three children look at Grace. I highly doubt they think "oh she is just an employee":rolleyes:

Debbie is into breeding brood mares not raising three human beings that she said from the very start didn't want to be their mother.

IMO, she will not get these children, not even Paris and Prince. I don't even think she will try to seek custody of these kids. She may want visitation rights with the oldest two.

imo

I agree and feel that Debbie was in it only for the money to enable her to follow her true love - raising horses.

GentleBreeze

07-22-2009, 12:46 PM

IMO If Janet wanted to raise children, she would have had her own.

I have no idea what you are talking about.:confused:

No where did I say that Janet wanted to raise these children.

I think she loves them dearly and will be one of the Jacksons that gives them loving support but I do not think Janet wants children to raise.

I am sure she thinks her mother is very capable of doing that since KJ has raised many children and some of her grandchildren.

imo

bkwits

07-22-2009, 01:16 PM

Do you base that on the "bang up fantastic" job she did on her own? You honestly believe that the Jackson Clan isn't dysfunctional? imo

Katherine Jackson? The woman that stood by the man that mentally and physically abused her own children? imo

I would say, she is the least capable. imo

I have to agree with you. I don't even know that much about the Jacksons, but we have several of them detailing the physical and mental abuse that Joe heaped on them, while, apparently, Katherine did nothing. Jermaine is quite dysfunctional IMO. LaToya has told so many different versions and stories that I doubt that she even knows what is true. As I understand it, most of them have lived off Michael Jackson for years. Joe is an adulterer and childbeater, as well as a sleazy loudmouth fool. All imoo.

GentleBreeze

07-22-2009, 01:31 PM

Do you base that on the "bang up fantastic" job she did on her own? You honestly believe that the Jackson Clan isn't dysfunctional? imo

Katherine Jackson? The woman that stood by the man that mentally and physically abused her own children? imo

I would say, she is the least capable. imo

I don't judge someone in the present time for what they did decades ago when they were a younger woman.

What has KJ done that is dysfunctional in the last 20 years? Or even 10 years?

Everyone that really KNOWS KJ has nothing but the highest praises for her.

Michale adored his mother. He left her part of his estate. He wanted her to take care of his children.

imo

GentleBreeze

07-22-2009, 02:03 PM

I think lots of people have very good and valid reasons for not caring for the Jacksons.

I also think many people need to idolize and tend to make excuses for entertainers and their families behavior ...not just the Jacksons. Celebrity status is sure a powerful thing...not me me....but to so many others. imo

Such as whom? I don't even go to the celebrity site here, so it certainly is not me. Dont buy tabloids or magazines that cater to celebs. I was never an ardent fan of MJs even though I certainly knew he had amazing talents. I have now looked at videos of MJ after he passed away and do realize I missed a lot of great entertainment before he died.

What excuses? Lay out what KJ has done in these past few years except be faithful to her children and grandchildren. What is dysfunctional about that?:shrug:

imo

daniel green

07-22-2009, 02:59 PM

I think lots of people have very good and valid reasons for not caring for the Jacksons.

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Oh, absolutely. Absolutely.

Joe Jackson plans 80th birthday bash

If Joe Jackson’s spate of recent interviews feels like a publicity tour, that might be because it is one. Michael Jackson’s father is ramping up for his big 80th birthday bash scheduled for Aug. 22 in the Chicago suburb of Tinley Park. He’s throwing the party with his record label partner Marshall Thompson, who wrote on his MySpace page that the singer's father is well-known for his “popular birthday celebrations each year.” If it seems like a strange way to work through grief, there is this: The celebration will double as a benefit for the new cultural center Jackson plans on building in Gary, Ind.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32060738/ns/entertainment-gossip/?ns=entertainment-gossip

daniel green

07-22-2009, 03:02 PM

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I do think they do know their grandmother, Rebbie and Janet very well.

What evidence is there to support that belief, pls?

TIA

daniel green

07-22-2009, 03:05 PM

daniel green

07-22-2009, 03:07 PM

I have to agree with you. I don't even know that much about the Jacksons, but we have several of them detailing the physical and mental abuse that Joe heaped on them, while, apparently, Katherine did nothing. Jermaine is quite dysfunctional IMO. LaToya has told so many different versions and stories that I doubt that she even knows what is true. As I understand it, most of them have lived off Michael Jackson for years. Joe is an adulterer and childbeater, as well as a sleazy loudmouth fool. All imoo.

And two of the daughters gave very detailed accounts of sexual abuse at the hands of their father.

vonna

07-22-2009, 03:14 PM

And two of the daughters gave very detailed accounts of sexual abuse at the hands of their father.

This family gives dysfunction a bad name.

bkwits

07-22-2009, 03:16 PM

I don't idolize any entertainer however I don't bash the family of one since I don't know them and what is reported about them is to sell news whether true or false. :shrug:

The thing is Athena that none of us really know Katherine or the Jackson family, we have to rely on what is reported and interviews that we see on TV. Some posters here have praised Katherine Jackson in the most glowing terms, as if she can do no wrong. Their sentiments are that she should indeed raise MJ's children. Other posters, like myself, are not so sure that KJ should be given a free hand with the kids. The negatives are, from what I have seen, read and heard, she has not distanced herself that much from Joe, she is almost 80 years old, and she already is caring for several grandchildren. He inability to defend her own children from abuse is also a concern. I realize that is in the past, but it still is of some concern. IMO

I don't consider that I am bashing the family or that you are idealizing it. We just have different points of view.

IMO

bkwits

07-22-2009, 03:18 PM

And two of the daughters gave very detailed accounts of sexual abuse at the hands of their father.

Two daughters? I read LaToya's book years and years ago. She has now recanted her allegations. She is such a fruitcake, so who knows. Who is the other daughter? I thought Rebbie denied it happened.

daniel green

07-22-2009, 03:26 PM

This is just a state search warrant and we’re here facilitating up on the request of the L.A.P.D.,” she said. “They came to us for assistance and we are doing that.” The Los Angeles coroner’s office has yet to release the results of a toxicology report, but the police department was reportedly acting on preliminary autopsy results suggesting that one or more drugs found in lethal amounts in the singer’s system came from Dr. Murray’s office. The clinic in North Houston is owned by Dr. Davill Armstrong, who has had run ins with the authorities. Dr. Armstrong’s license was suspended and his clinic briefly shut down for a time after he was accused of improperly prescribing medication. Dr. Murray, who has an office in Las Vegas, has had numerous legal judgments against him in the past. He was not at the Houston clinic at the time of the raid.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/23/us/23jackson.html?hp

daniel green

07-22-2009, 03:29 PM

Two daughters? I read LaToya's book years and years ago. She has now recanted her allegations. She is such a fruitcake, so who knows. Who is the other daughter? I thought Rebbie denied it happened.

You know what, I was thinking of Rebbie. My bad.

bkwits

07-22-2009, 03:33 PM

Well Joe we have heard what he has said right out of his own mouth - so for sure he needs to be kept away from the children. Everything he has said about the "superstar" has eclipsed the fact that MJ was his son. I can only think that other family members are trying to reign him in as they are aware of how he has been detrimental to KJ's seeking custody of the children. I can only guess that is what DR's issue is as well. :mad:

What is most disturbing is that Joe has said he and Katherine should raise MJ's children in several interviews. He hasn't totally distanced himself from the remark about putting them on the road as the Jackson 3. Katherine does not seem emotionally separated from him (judging by some of her statements) and it is worrisome. I do think Rowe is concerned about their welfare. Maybe if there is a compromise, for instance Janet, all would be solved.

IMO

bkwits

07-22-2009, 03:36 PM

You know what, I was thinking of Rebbie. My bad.

Well, it is possible it happened. I believed it at the time, but now I don't believe one thing that comes out of LaToya's mouth. She said that manager/husband made her do it. :angry:

Firehead11

07-22-2009, 03:56 PM

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32060738/ns/entertainment-gossip/

If Joe Jackson’s spate of recent interviews feels like a publicity tour, that might be because it is one. Michael Jackson’s father is ramping up for his big 80th birthday bash scheduled for Aug. 22 in the Chicago suburb of Tinley Park.

He’s throwing the party with his record label partner Marshall Thompson, who wrote on his MySpace page that the singer's father is well-known for his “popular birthday celebrations each year.”

If it seems like a strange way to work through grief, there is this: The celebration will double as a benefit for the new cultural center Jackson plans on building in Gary, Ind.

Michael supported him in life and will continue to do so in death. :cursing:

GentleBreeze

07-22-2009, 03:58 PM

What evidence is there to support that belief, pls?

TIA

What evidence is there to support they do not?

And when is it required to have evidence to an opinion?:confused:

imo

daniel green

07-22-2009, 04:03 PM

What evidence is there to support they do not?

And when is it required to have evidence to an opinion?:confused:

imo

Evidence that they do not???? Lots of it. Lived in separate continents, MJ secluded himself and children. Even his father says he didn't see the children, etc.

No, of course one needs no evidence to form an opinion. But, I dare say that opinions based on facts/evidence are usually better opinions.

FallenAngel♥

07-23-2009, 02:48 AM

Multiple sources in the Jackson family tell us -- even if Katherine Jackson gets custody of Michael Jackson's kids -- Michael's big sister Rebbie Jackson will raise the children.
http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/23/michael-jackson-rebbie-jackson-kids-paris-michael-jr-cutsody/

Great choice IMO

aproudmom

07-23-2009, 04:35 AM

I was just watching HLN and caught this spill about MJ having another son and the mother being also little blankets mother..so I had to of course search it and did find this boy around alot but just do not understand as much as MJ loved his kids why would he not have 1 in his life as his child..so below are a few things I found one has the family at X-MAS one is little Omer this is the first I had every heard of this one until tonight..and he does look like Blanket but still I do not see it bring true...JMO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgV9CTTymTA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MwDXcyaJtA

http://i3.ytimg.com/vi/RgV9CTTymTA/default.jpg

aproudmom

07-23-2009, 05:02 AM

Actually he did distance himself about piutting the kids in show business. On LKL the other night he said it was BS and the kids should be kids as well as said that he would stay away from the children. This info is somewhere on the board. If I come across it - will post it. Definitely looks like family members have spoken to him at least. The man certainly doesn't know what to say out of his mouth that's for sure and much of what he says doesn't even make sense. JMO

I saw it also and no matter what he is not in the picture we saw that on LKL I would not be surprised if KJ did not tell him to go back to Vegas..I am not so sure he meant he did not ever want his children to be around Joe either MJ was not strong enough to get over all the abuse and name calling and never understood why he was not good enough for his father and it left many scars my father is wonderful but at the age of 37 I still never feel good enough in his eyes I was the one that had a child at 18 been married 2 times and my 2 sisters I feel are treated different but I am sure it is more me than my dad he loves me and my boys has never spanked me or mentally abused me I just always wanted to be perfect for him and I think Joe is a hard man and the way he brought up those kids was more of a manager not a father.. IMO but MJ was a good father if anyone watches the home videos he loved those kids they were his life and all I want to see is them be as happy as they can without thier father I think they will be fine with KJ with some help because she has alot to deal with right now and stress and a loss of a son is not good for her health

such a happy daddy..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dw63zfTcXDk

aproudmom

07-23-2009, 05:50 AM

I would say that would be true from about August 2005 through December 2006. However, prior to that they did see the children and MJ even recorded with 3 of his nephews. I wouldn't say that all of the cousins, aunts and uncles knew the children but some did. One of the nephews even testified at the trial as he was at Neverland when the accuser and his brother were there. KJ was at MJ's trial every single day. Joe does not live in Encino -- he visits and has been in Vegas for 15 years. Don't think MJ would care if Joe knew the kids or not but I also gather Joe doesn't know everything that has gone on either. JMO

they also just all met at MJ favorite restaurant a few weeks before he died and JJ was with him a couple of weeks before his death when he was making the deal with AEG and I believe it even if he hated his father IMO he still to this dad wanted to show his father he could be a big hit again...below is the video of him and his 3 nephews it is a wonderful song and alot of talent IMO..

MJ and Toriano Adaryll Jackson "Taj" II (b. August 4, 1973)
Taryll Adren Jackson (b. August 8, 1975)
Tito Joe Jackson "TJ" (b. July 16, 1978)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIzhIxTQ7DY

daniel green

07-23-2009, 02:45 PM

Lawyers for Michael Jackson's estate, along with Katherine Jackson's lawyer, went to court this morning, seeking temporary financial allowances -- and Katherine claims she needs the money to live. The matter was put off until August 3, when lawyers will all appear in court.

UPDATE: 2:29 PM PT: Lawyers for the estate wrote in a written declaration, "We are informed that Mrs. Jackson was also financially dependent upon Michael Jackson and that other than extremely modest social security benefits, Mrs. Jackson has no independent means of support." The declaration continues: "Michael Jackson died 4 weeks ago. Therefore, there is an urgent need for the Special Administrators to be authorized to pay family allowance for the benefits of Minor Children in order to ensure that the Minor Children's needs for maintenance and support are met." The document also says other than social security benefits which the kids have not yet received, they are totally dependent on the estate for their care and support.

http://www.tmz.com/

daniel green

07-23-2009, 02:47 PM

Multiple sources in the Jackson family tell us even if Katherine Jackson gets custody of Michael Jackson's kids, Michael's big sister Rebbie Jackson will raise the children. The 59-year-old singer, who shares a home in Las Vegas with her hubby of over 20 years, has kept a low public profile, but privately she has been deeply involved in the lives of Michael's children. We're told Rebbie is currently living with Katherine at the family's Encino home and is caring for the kids day-to-day. As for the kids ... they all adore her. Although the family is divided on many issues involving Michael's estate, we're told there's no argument when it comes to Rebbie caring for the kids. Whether she eventually becomes the custodial parent in name or not, she will end up with the primary responsibility of raising Michael's three children.

http://www.tmz.com/

daniel green

07-23-2009, 03:50 PM

how can they be so sure? I thought the judge could decide somebody else that does not belong to the Jackson family could get custody?

The judge can.

bkwits

07-23-2009, 07:11 PM

http://www.tmz.com/

Katherine's only income is Social Security? Why isn't Joe J contributing to the household. They are married. He has that gig in Vegas. Partners in a recording company. They've already filed bankruptcy. How can they get to almost eighty years, promoting their children to make money all these years and be broke? What a crock? IMO

daniel green

07-23-2009, 07:47 PM

Katherine's only income is Social Security? Why isn't Joe J contributing to the household. They are married. He has that gig in Vegas. Partners in a recording company. They've already filed bankruptcy. How can they get to almost eighty years, promoting their children to make money all these years and be broke? What a crock? IMO

Totally agree. And she is raising several of Jermaine and Randy's children, to boot, by the same mother.

But she only lives off her little Soc Sec pension??? What is wrong with that picture? :tongueside:

retiredcop

07-23-2009, 09:31 PM

If that's her only income then she must have lots of assets cause she's not living in that house on her Social Security check. MJ was supporting all of them.

imo

I think the problem now is the executors shut the spigots on the outflowing of any money. Now all the Jacksons are suffering. They will only take care of Katherine and the children and the rest of the Jacksons will have to get jobs.

in my opinion

bkwits

07-23-2009, 09:38 PM

How old are Jermain and Randy's children? omg they themselves are close to 60. Their children must be thirty something? I wonder if she's raising their grandchildren? Or did they both have children well into their forties and fifties?

imo

Jermaine has 7 children by 3 women. The two youngest (sons) were born in 1996 and 2000.

Randy's twin sons were born in 1992. They share a mother with Jermaine's sons, so that they are half-brothers as well as cousins.

And I am my own grandma. :w00t:

IMO

sunstar

07-23-2009, 09:40 PM

retiredcop

07-23-2009, 09:54 PM

I just heard this tonight HLN. Good for her! I certainly hope this is true! :smile: MOO

Rebbie lives in Las Vegas with her husband and two children. I don't think she will pick up and move to Encino to raise Mr Jackson's children leaving behind her family.

First Janet was going to raise them and now Rebbie. Who's next?

Rumors and speculation.

in my opinion

retiredcop

07-23-2009, 10:13 PM

Rebbie's children are way grown and IIRC; I believe Rebbie and her hubby recently split.

That would be good then. Rebbie could keep an eye on her elderly mother and the children. Now if they could just kick the rest of the free loading Jacksons out of the house, there would be enough room for the children to have a room of their own. Also enough room for the mother and Rebbie to have bedrooms too.

in my opinion

retiredcop

07-23-2009, 10:25 PM

Blanket's Mother??????????

http://www.charter.net/video/?vid=217546&sc_cid=wccel4

No, I don't think the young man is Mr Jackson's son. I believe he was another one of Mr Jackson's "special friends" with the parents being seduced to go along with it. This has happened before. I also don't believe Mr Jackson ever had a one night stand with a female fan.

I would believe more the young man was the sperm donor if anything.

Blanket's mother was a surrogate.

This was discussed on another thread.

All my opinion of course.

retiredcop

07-23-2009, 10:26 PM

Actually the house is big and there's a whole 'nother part that Jermaine and his family lived in. I had posted a link a while back. See if I can find it. LOL

ETA: Old article -- but same house:

He hasn't lived at Hayvenhurst for 4.5 years, but Michael Jackson's presence at his family's Encino, Calif., estate lingers palpably. A metal star engraved with his name is embedded in the walkway to the 20-room mansion, lest anyone forget that this is a house that Michael built and still maintains. In the 32-seat east-wing theater, his sister-in-law Margaret Maldonado Jackson, who lives at Hayvenhurst with husband Jermaine and his parents

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,312364,00.html

Isn't the house a 5 bedroom 7 bath house? I don't see anything in the article about a separate part of the house they were living in unless they lived in the movie theater. lol

in my opinion

bkwits

07-23-2009, 11:19 PM

No, I don't think the young man is Mr Jackson's son. I believe he was another one of Mr Jackson's "special friends" with the parents being seduced to go along with it. This has happened before. I also don't believe Mr Jackson ever had a one night stand with a female fan.

I would believe more the young man was the sperm donor if anything.

Blanket's mother was a surrogate.

This was discussed on another thread.

All my opinion of course.

I don't think Michael Jackson would hide the fact that he had a son. I had also thought it may be a "special friend". Why would MJ not tell that he had a son? He hasn't actually been afraid of controversy.

IMO

retiredcop

07-23-2009, 11:56 PM

I don't think Michael Jackson would hide the fact that he had a son. I had also thought it may be a "special friend". Why would MJ not tell that he had a son? He hasn't actually been afraid of controversy.

IMO

I noticed, looking at a picture of him when he was 8 years old with Mr Jackson, he was dressed just like Mr Jackson. Jordy did that too when they were hanging around. It looked like this one and Jordy were twins. It gave me shivers.

in my opinion

GentleBreeze

07-24-2009, 08:50 AM

I noticed, looking at a picture of him when he was 8 years old with Mr Jackson, he was dressed just like Mr Jackson. Jordy did that too when they were hanging around. It looked like this one and Jordy were twins. It gave me shivers.

in my opinion

Lots of children over the years loved to dress like Mr. Jackson.

Even the kids around where I live did it. The one glove was the rave and so was the white socks showing and even wearing the stylish black hat.

I would think if someone was right there with Mr. Jackson they had to be an ardent fan so dressing up like him is cool, imo.:smile:

imo

GentleBreeze

07-24-2009, 08:53 AM

I don't think Michael Jackson would hide the fact that he had a son. I had also thought it may be a "special friend". Why would MJ not tell that he had a son? He hasn't actually been afraid of controversy.

IMO

He may have hidden it. I know Elvis worried greatly about his fan base when he decided to marry and then had Lisa. Fans tend to want to see their idols as single and fancy free of girl friends/wives and children.

imo

bkwits

07-24-2009, 09:48 AM

He may have hidden it. I know Elvis worried greatly about his fan base when he decided to marry and then had Lisa. Fans tend to want to see their idols as single and fancy free of girl friends/wives and children.

imo

Maybe so, but Elvis was a sex symbol. MJ was not. IMO

GentleBreeze

07-24-2009, 10:34 AM

Maybe so, but Elvis was a sex symbol. MJ was not. IMO

I am not so sure that is true. He had women passing out in droves on his concert tours just like Elvis did and at one time MJ was a very sharp and handsome man.

imo

Firehead11

07-24-2009, 10:47 AM

I am not so sure that is true. He had women passing out in droves on his concert tours just like Elvis did and at one time MJ was a very sharp and handsome man.

imo

Do you remember when it was announce that Paul McCartney had gotten married? Oh my lord the world stopped!

But even after knowing what fans thought about Paul's marriage, I don't remember hearing about his children until much later years. By that time The Beatles were no longer. :unsure:

As much as Michael loved children, I doubt that he would have kept that a secret, however, maybe that is the way Omer mother wanted things? If he takes the DNA test, all rumors will be laid to rest.

GentleBreeze

07-24-2009, 11:00 PM

And... the man could really move. I'm regretful that I never took much notice during his lifetime. After Thriller I knew he was talented, but until his death, I never realized the magnitude of his talent. Also.. I have heard some of his songs for the first time, and I sincerely believe he was a gentle and kind man, who had compassion and love for all children throughout the world, and that he wanted to help as many as he could, but would never hurt a single one.. in any way. I have found some of his songs really touching and moving. A great loss for the entire world.

imo...of course.

I completely agree with everything you have said, Arguendo.

The world has lost one of its kindest and most gentle souls.:crying:

imo

GentleBreeze

07-24-2009, 11:07 PM

Say what you will. The young man LOOKS like MJ, IMO.

OMG! Their eyes are almost identical.:ohmy:

GentleBreeze

07-24-2009, 11:09 PM

I never paid much attention to MJ after Thriller. Guess I thought I outgrew him. Since his death, I've watched hours of his videos on MTV and VH1. WOW! He was talented.

Love his Smooth Criminal stuff. The video is absolutely packed with excellent dancers, but MJ outdoes all of them.

A long time ago, I read he had not had any formal dance training.
AMAZING!

Before MJ's death, I also read one reason he wanted to do the live tour was to show his children what he did. It was very touching.

Even Fred Astaire called MJ to tell him he thought he was the most amazing dancer. MJ was so humbled to get the call from him of all people.:smile:

tiptop

07-24-2009, 11:15 PM

Even Fred Astaire called MJ to tell him he thought he was the most amazing dancer. MJ was so humbled to get the call from him of all people.:smile:

WOW - I didnt know this!

I hope Michael's kids are well provided for. I cant imagine the life they have had and I hope they are well prepared for a future without him. Financially and emotionally.

GentleBreeze

07-24-2009, 11:37 PM

Their eyes?:biggrinjester:

Yes, they both have unusual shaped eyes which are quite beautiful imo.

imo

bkwits

07-24-2009, 11:47 PM

OMG! Their eyes are almost identical.:ohmy:

So, am I correct that you think there is a strong possibility this fellow is MJ's son?

Since MJ is such a kind and gentle soul, you think he would not acknowledge his own son, that he would disinherit his own flesh and blood son?

I suppose someone will say that he did it for the child's benefit or something.

Some years ago, there was talk that Janet Jackson had a secret daughter and that Rebbie was raising her. Any truth to that rumor?

IMO

bkwits

07-25-2009, 12:03 PM

I am not so sure that is true. He had women passing out in droves on his concert tours just like Elvis did and at one time MJ was a very sharp and handsome man.

imo

I said that Elvis was a sex symbol and Michael was not. Since when does fainting have to do with sex. I thought the fainting was do to over-excitement not sexual arousal.

I agree that Michael was very attractive at one time, but he did not have the sensuality that Elvis did. Plus Elvis was in a different era when we were more repressed about sex. Remember how Ed Sullivan would only show him from the waist up because of his suggestive moves "down there". Michael's crotch grabbing was almost asexual or poking fun at our obsession with sex.

Also many of Michal's songs were plaintive about loneliness. Most of Elvis's were about love and longing for a lover. Elvis had those sensuous lips. OOOH. :blushing:

bkwits

07-25-2009, 12:48 PM

Michael Jackson was a kind and gentle soul, the likes of which we are unaccustomed to. If he has a son, who says he didn't acknowledge him? Maybe he didn't feel the world needed to know his private matters. And who says if this person is his son, that MJ disinherited him. Didn't his will state he was leaving the estate to "his children". Without seeing the exact details of the trust, its pretty unfair to make these kind of assumptions.

imo...of course.

In paragraph one of Michael Jackson's will, it names his three children, Prince Michael, Paris, and Prince Michael II. Michael Jackson states that he has no other children living or deceased. Why would he publicly name these three children and not the first one. I certainly call that not acknowledging the child (although I do not believe the boy is his son). IMO, Michael would have been proud to sire a son and would not have kept that fact hidden from the world.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/8016703/Michael-Jacksons-Will

bkwits

07-25-2009, 01:18 PM

Then I would guess that the suggestion that MJ had another son is pure rumor and not based on truth. Unless of course, you have proof otherwise.

Why would I have proof otherwise? I agree with you that this is a rumor which I don't believe to be true.

IMO

Firehead11

07-25-2009, 03:01 PM

And if I read it a fourth time, it will be reported to Coldwater.

disneyfreak

07-25-2009, 03:52 PM

True...I'm still wondering why the rest of his little boy friends ( now adults) remain mum and were no shows.

I have wondered the same thing. If they are truly friends of MJ the family should have invited them. For goodness sakes, they had room for Larry King and Barbara Walters, they should have had room for real friends of MJ.

GentleBreeze

07-25-2009, 05:49 PM

------------------------

MJ will never be an Elvis IMO

And Elvis will never been the King of Pop either who was adored by fans all across the world.

imo

bkwits

07-26-2009, 12:28 AM

One thing is for certain. Neither Elvis nor Michael were judgmental of other people, and both loved their children unconditionally. MO

You are certain that neither of these men were judgemental and they both loved their children unconditionally?

Since I am guessing that you did not know both men personally, what do you base your opinion on?

bkwits

07-26-2009, 10:42 AM

I stated MO. I don't believe I am required by TOS to state why I feel that way. Again, MO.

That's okay. I just wondered why you had that opinion. I followed Elvis's life fairly closely and I couldn't say one way or the other whether he was judgmental. MJ seems to have fired or distanced himself from people on a whim, and that may or may not be judgmental. IMO.

It is normal for parents to love their children unconditionally, especially when they are as young as Lisa Marie and MJ's children (when both dads passed away). IMO

GentleBreeze

07-26-2009, 11:01 AM

That's okay. I just wondered why you had that opinion. I followed Elvis's life fairly closely and I couldn't say one way or the other whether he was judgmental. MJ seems to have fired or distanced himself from people on a whim, and that may or may not be judgmental. IMO.

It is normal for parents to love their children unconditionally, especially when they are as young as Lisa Marie and MJ's children (when both dads passed away). IMO

Lisa to this day has fond wonderful memories when she was with her father. I am sure MJs kids will too for the rest of their lives.

I don't think they loved them just because they were their children. I think they loved them for the kind loving people they both were.

imo

bkwits

07-26-2009, 03:16 PM

As far as MIchael Jackson goes, the words to a lot of his songs leave the impression that he was not judgmental. Elvis is just a bit before my time.

Well, since Elvis sang, "You ain't nothing but a hound dog." I guess he was judgmental. :sneaky:

bkwits

07-27-2009, 02:04 PM

What struck me as incredibly odd...the way he had his very young children wearing make-up for home movies. Weren't they cute enough in their natural state? It was almost like they were possessions...dolls. The way they sang on cue in that one clip where they insert "daddy" into the SunShine song....gave me the willies. IMO It was not spontaneous.

imo

Possessions, yes, I've been thinking that right along. IMO, he doesn't see them as wonderful individuals, but as possessions, bought and paid for. All three children are stuck with the given name Micheal name. Even poor little blanket can't even have his own name, he has to be called an object. MJ says he grabbed Paris right after she was born and rushed home with her with the placenta still on her. Was he thinking of Paris of her welfare or of this new toy he had? He says when they thought something might be wrong with Prince Michael I before he was born, that MJ prayed, "God please don't ME have a sick child." Not praying for the child but praying that he is not burdened with a sick child. IMO, in Michael's narcissistic world, it was his feelings that counted.

IMO

bkwits

07-27-2009, 03:19 PM

Some can't think outside the box. If things don't meet the standards of "their world" it cannot be. MO

You are probably right. I use the norms of behavior that I see and believe are correct to assess a situation. In my "world' a grown man does engage in behavior with young children (not his own) that would cause embarrassment, grief or shame to those children, their families or himself. He stated that he would continue to do so even after going through the lengthy trial and all that.

In my world, you try to provide your own children with a proper home with mom and dad, if possible, and certainly try to give those children a sense of their own identity. Not tell them they have no mother, not saddle them with your name given (all three). In my world, a parent thinks about their children's welfare if something should happen to him or her. Not just monetary, but ongoing care and nurturning. In my world the children, not the parent, are allowed to have playmates.

I could go on but I won't . I'm sure you can see that I can't think outside the box (very trite saying by now) and live in Michael Jackson's world.

IMO

GentleBreeze

07-27-2009, 03:48 PM

He seemed more capable of love than most could ever dream of having.

Amen! How true!

:rose::rose::rose:
Prince, Paris and Blanket!

GentleBreeze

07-27-2009, 04:13 PM

I have no doubts his children loved him.
I have doubts as to whether he was even capable of returning that love appropriately.

Then I wonder why those that really knew them and really knew MJ saw it much differently than some.

I have seen grown men show raw emotions when they speak of the special love that MJ had for his children and how much his children loved him and how much he loved them.

I have seen a strong little girl named, Paris, stand up and tell the world that she had the best daddy in the world.

Everyone that darted their door has talked about his love for his children and the wonderful relationship they all had. So seldomn is the relationship between children and their fathers even talked about in the entertainment world yet time and time and time and time again.....THIS is what people who knew him remembers most about MJ. His special treasured love for his children and how he was such a good father.

Even the nurse practitioner who is extremely credible imo talked about how grounded, social, loving, well mannered and giving these children are and the bond that they had with their father, whom she said was one of the most humble people she had every met. A loving man who loved to give hugs.

Do I think they are all lying? I absolutely do not think one of them has lied.

Whether the ones who must criticize him has an opposite opinion it does not make it truth.

One has to live the truth to know the truth and these children will always hold their father in a special place only he can occupy because they saw the goodness and gentleness in him and the kindness through all the years he showed them and to other children all across the world.

In the videos they were so relaxed and happy around their daddy as he sat on the floor taking up time with them or dancing with them or celebrating their birthdays. He kissed them, he told them he loved them, he held them. This world would be a better place if all of our daddies would closely interact with their children growing up by sitting down and being a kid right along with them. No one could make them happier than he could because "daddy was fun" to be around and because he was... they will always have wonderful memories of him that will bring them peace knowing how much he cared.

imo

GentleBreeze

07-27-2009, 04:20 PM

He's dead= no action.

What does that have to do with him being a good father while he was living?:confused:

And actions can still go on after death. MJ saw to it even if his death came that his mother, his children and charities would benefit and be supported after his death.

So yes his actions live on.

imo

GentleBreeze

07-27-2009, 04:27 PM

Thank goodness you will never be close enough to his children to tell that to them. Its obvious he was a good father and he and his children loved each other very much.

Yes, it was quite obvious to the people that really knew the children and their father.

imo

GentleBreeze

07-27-2009, 04:30 PM

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1617010/20090727/jackson_michael.jhtml

Jul 27 2009 1:52 PM EDT

Michael Jackson Custody Case To Be Resolved Soon, Lawyer SaysL. Londell McMillan expects to reach agreement before August 3 hearing.

By this time next week the custody case involving Michael Jackson's three young children could be resolved. In an appearance on "Today" on Monday (July 27), the lawyer for the singer's mother, Katherine Jackson, said that an agreement for the custody of Prince Michael, Paris Michael and Prince Michael II will likely be reached before the upcoming August 3 custody hearing.

more at link............

bkwits

07-27-2009, 05:33 PM

I'm sure you could - go on, that is. Funny thing is - you had a lot to say in response to a "very trite saying." ROFLMAO

Thank you, I thought you would understand.:smile:

retiredcop

07-27-2009, 09:13 PM

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1617010/20090727/jackson_michael.jhtml

Jul 27 2009 1:52 PM EDT
Michael Jackson Custody Case To Be Resolved Soon, Lawyer Says
L. Londell McMillan expects to reach agreement before August 3 hearing.

By Gil Kaufman

"Whatever the agreement will be, [it] will not be based on money," attorney L. Londell McMillan said, seemingly refuting recent claims that Debbie Rowe, the mother of the two eldest children, is seeking compensation for giving up parental rights. "I want to say the parties have been very responsible. ... Debbie Rowe, her lawyers, Mrs. Jackson have been very thoughtful, very caring, very prudent, and we do believe we're very close to reaching an agreement, and this swirling speculation is just swirling speculation."

Since this is Katherine's attorney I hope this puts to rest Debbie Rowe is selling her kids again.

bkwits

07-28-2009, 09:15 AM

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1617010/20090727/jackson_michael.jhtml

Jul 27 2009 1:52 PM EDT
Michael Jackson Custody Case To Be Resolved Soon, Lawyer Says
L. Londell McMillan expects to reach agreement before August 3 hearing.

By Gil Kaufman

"Whatever the agreement will be, [it] will not be based on money," attorney L. Londell McMillan said, seemingly refuting recent claims that Debbie Rowe, the mother of the two eldest children, is seeking compensation for giving up parental rights. "I want to say the parties have been very responsible. ... Debbie Rowe, her lawyers, Mrs. Jackson have been very thoughtful, very caring, very prudent, and we do believe we're very close to reaching an agreement, and this swirling speculation is just swirling speculation."

Since this is Katherine's attorney I hope this puts to rest Debbie Rowe is selling her kids again.

But I would bet that it won't. Some never give up their preconceived ideas. IMO :chicken:

retiredcop

07-28-2009, 11:02 AM

retiredcop

07-28-2009, 11:26 AM

I'm glad the children are going to be together.

I am too, but I don't think Ms Rowe ever had any intention of breaking them up. I believe her concern is with Joe being around the children.

I also think visiting rights may be held open in the event the children will want to see her. I also think the children will be told she is their biological mother and not just Miss Debbie, a friend of their father's.

Through a counselor, it's time they know.

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Themis

07-28-2009, 11:32 AM

There is a video with this story - and I am hard-pressed to have heard what they said she said. :ohmy:

Debbie on Rebbie -- It's a 'Fair' Deal

Posted Jul 28th 2009 12:30AM by TMZ Staff

As TMZ first reported, Michael Jackson's kids will most likely be raised by MJ's older sister, Rebbie -- and yesterday outside Dr. Arnie Klein's office, their biological mother, Debbie Rowe, said she thought it would be a "fair" arrangement.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/28/debbie-rowe-michael-jackson-rebbie-jackson-custody-video/
So, I guess today's story that MJ's older sister, Rebbie, getting custody takes the place of the one just 2 weeks ago that Janet was going to raise MJ's children.

It was reported back then that Janet 'has the support of her siblings to take custody of the children.'

http://www.hollywoodatl.com/michael-jackson-kids/janet-jackson-seeks-custody-for-michael-jackson-kids/

What a difference a few days makes, huh?

retiredcop

07-28-2009, 11:38 AM

So, I guess today's story that MJ's older sister, Rebbie, getting custody takes the place of the one just 2 weeks ago that Janet was going to raise MJ's children.

It was reported back then that Janet 'has the support of her siblings to take custody of the children.'

http://www.hollywoodatl.com/michael-jackson-kids/janet-jackson-seeks-custody-for-michael-jackson-kids/

What a difference a few days makes, huh?

If Janet Jackson was ever going to raise the children and that is a big IF. There has been much speculation and rumor in the media. This is one rumor I have never believed.

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aproudmom

07-29-2009, 10:10 AM

Firehead11

07-29-2009, 10:36 AM

Yes, there is a possibility - IMO. DNA - I want DNA testing. :)

Did you see the link where the child denies this? I don't know if he is even going to DNA testing. He stated that he was a close friend of the family.

As much as MJ wanted children, I would doubt that he would have hidden the child for years.

Firehead11

07-29-2009, 12:13 PM

You're right, but he does look so much like MJ and I was hoping "bio" so some of that natural talent would have been passed along. MO

I'm sure the mother knows. :)

I don't know about that, ever watch Maury? :laugh:

Unperson1984

07-30-2009, 11:41 AM

This seems like the best solution, at least for now.

retiredcop

07-30-2009, 01:09 PM

I agree unp... I also strongly support the children seeing a psychologist. I would imagine that Prince (the eldest) after being called into the room by Dr. Murray and watched his father die will need some special treatment. I was really hoping that story was tabloid fodder but after hearing Kai Chase (the head chef) say she heard the Dr yelling for Prince realize it is true. WTH was this Dr thinking? :(

I stongly support the psychologist AND Debbie Rowe's having visiting rights. The psychologist is to help the children with adjusting to Ms Rowe having a meaningful role in their lives. I am sure the psychologist will help with other issues also.

If all this is true, I also wonder if anything will be in the custody issue about Joe.

I hope everyone takes note Ms Rowe is not selling her kids. I think she is doing the best for these kids by stepping in to help them deal with the dysfunctional Jackson clan too.. She will be able to keep a close eye on their upbringing. GOOD FOR HER!!

She's also splitting expenses for the physiologist. Well doesn't that beat all. No comments?

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retiredcop

07-30-2009, 01:22 PM

I meant Psychologist. Posters have been wrong all along about Ms Rowe and not just about this, but also about everything that was ever said about her.

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retiredcop

07-30-2009, 01:31 PM

ok does anyone think this is his son? I have looked and looked and when he was young he does look so much like Blanket but why would MJ hide a son he loved his children so that makes no since to me but then I looked at the People Tribute I have and it has all the extended family in 2003 and this boy is holding Blanket in the photo with the I would say 100 Jackson's:confused:
http://toppayingideas.com/blog/2009/07/22/phia-batti-photo-is-phia-batti-blanket-jackson%e2%80%99s-mother/
http://toppayingideas.com/blog/2009/07/23/omer-bhatti-michael-jackson-pictures/

No, I don't believe this is Mr Jackson's son. He looks nothing like Mr Jackson before the plastic surgery. Since Blanket looks nothing like Mr Jackson either before the plastic surgery, I don't see the connection. Maybe this boy donated the sperm for Blanket?????

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bkwits

07-30-2009, 06:39 PM

I meant Psychologist. Posters have been wrong all along about Ms Rowe and not just about this, but also about everything that was ever said about her.

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I agree RC. Debbie Rowe has been a victim of a malicious press and a stupid mouth (hers). She tried to make herself believe that the best for the children were to be totally with Michael. But she was right there when she sensed danger for the kids. I don't much like her, but she is not the bad person she is made out to be. IMO

bkwits

07-30-2009, 10:46 PM

JJ Confirms Omer is Michael's Son (?)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnTwIiYR_fk

I wouldn't take what Joe Jackson says to the bank, if I were you.

IMO

Mamie

07-30-2009, 11:01 PM

I wouldn't take what Joe Jackson says to the bank, if I were you.

IMO

You got that right------I wouldn't believe him if he said the sun was coming up tomorrow. JMO

retiredcop

07-30-2009, 11:09 PM

I don't either. Maybe Joe wants to put him on the stage and promote his as Mr Jackson's son. The next Mr Jackson. $$$$$$$$$

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retiredcop

07-31-2009, 12:02 AM

Ditto your thoughts. The agreement they came up with I have expressed since this thing started. I am happy that they came up with an amicable solution without dragging this through the courts and hope the Judge approves it on Monday. I think the poster should have used the words "some posters" instead of painting us all with one broad brush. As far as DNA goes -- that is between DR, and the children should they decide they need to know when they become of age. JMHO

What DNA? Debbie Rowe IS the biological mother and will be in the children's lives. BTW, I remember some choice words you had about her. As far as the agreement goes, I don't remember many posters thinking it wouldn't be about money.

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retiredcop

07-31-2009, 12:05 AM

I've been on Debbie's 'side' since the beginning of this whole ordeal. Never thought she was seeking custody, but the best interests of the the children. Nor did I believe DR was seeking any $$$ other than those owed to her through agreement with MJ.

As far as DNA testing being done on the children, it's none of our business. It should be done IF the children request it after they reach thhe age of majority.

Paris is a hero, IMO. She stood as an army of one against the World to champion her Daddy. MJ raised a lovely, strong and valiant young lady.

WTG Paris!

WTG MJ!

Yes you did stand beside her. Kudos for you.

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Pmichel

07-31-2009, 01:09 PM

I do not beleive Omar is his son.

I beleive if it were looked into you would find that Omar has been a special fried to Jackson since he was, oh I'd say ten or twelve.

tiptop

07-31-2009, 08:27 PM

There is only so much she can protect them from. She can't lock them away from the world for the rest of their lives. It's never going to stop for them, and they will eventually have to learn to get used to the constant intrusion into their lives.

imo...of course.

I agree. No amount of blockage can keep the kids from hearing things. From the internet, radio, TV, other people; they need to realize they will hear things the rest of their lives about their dad. And they need to make amends with it. JMO

retiredcop

08-01-2009, 11:21 PM

Nice family photos. Some pictures of Debbie with the children.

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/showbiz/michael_jackson/390944/The-astonishing-Michael-Jackson-family-pictures-that-could-blow-custody-battle-apart.html

retiredcop

08-01-2009, 11:23 PM

Please consider the source while reading this:

Debbie Rowe Wanted Cashola And Gets It!

As we mentioned earlier, Katherine Jackson and Debbie Rowe have reached a custody agreement over the fate of Michael Jackson's children. Katherine will have custody and Debbie will be allowed visitation.

One source said, "they just want to get rid of her. They recognized early in this process that she had no interest in playing a real role in their lives and that it was all about money."

Katherine will remain the children's guardian, and Rowe, in turn, will receive a few hundred thousand dollars a year over a set period of time and be allowed supervised visits.

Apparently, as part of the agreement, the Jackson clan has to say that it wasn't a matter of money for Rowe, even though it was.

http://perezhilton.com/2009-07-31-debbie-wanted-cashola-and-gets-it

The divorce settlement was in writing and she will continue to receive the money in that agreement as she should. The tabloid trash is going to continue I guess.

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