6/25 to 6/26 -- #2

[Keno]

In cardiac arrest- taken to UCLA. Channel 7 reporting here in Los Angeles

http://www.tmz.com/

[incidentally]

Farrah and now Michael Jackson. Though I don't think highly of him I'm sorry for the suffering his children and family are going through.

I have come to believe, things like this really do come in threes.

[Keno]

Farrah and now Michael Jackson. Though I don't think highly of him I'm sorry for the suffering his children and family are going through.

I have come to believe, things like this really do come in threes.


I have zero respect for him but I also feel bad for his children and family. They are saying it's not good but what can we believe?

[Keno]

OMG he died

[4Life]

I have zero respect for him but I also feel bad for his children and family. They are saying it's not good but what can we believe?

He just died

RIP

[BorderCollieMom]

I believe he has passed. Alot of sites are reporting this now.

RIP Michael !

[Keno]

MSNBC doesn't even KNOW that he has died.

[Keno]

Wolf Blitzer is just saying he is in hospital. None of these people even know he has passed. I don't believe it...

[incidentally]

I just remember, Ed McMahon died too. Farrah, Ed, Michael.

[WillowInFlight]

I just remember, Ed McMahon died too. Farrah, Ed, Michael.

I always heard death comes in 3's

[incidentally]

I always heard death comes in 3's

I forgot about David Carridine. So this is four.

[Keno]

Now LA Times says he is in a coma but my money is on TMZ with the real truth. That he passed away. They are always pretty accurate.

Just the fact that he was unresponsive is not good.

[Keno]

It has been confirmed...He passed away.

[incidentally]

Now LA Times says he is in a coma but my money is on TMZ with the real truth. That he passed away. They are always pretty accurate.

Just the fact that he was unresponsive is not good.

Goodness, I hope he's not pulling one of his stunts. I'm sorry he has allegedly died according to all major news reports. no disrespect meant, He seemed to me to thrive on shock value.

[Citygirl]

MSNBC reporting that the L.A. Times is also reporting Michael is dead.
RIP Michael..:rose:


We have just lost 4 celebrities..wow.

I think the reason you always hear death comes in 3's..is we stop counting after 3 and start over..

[incidentally]

MSNBC reporting that the L.A. Times is also reporting Michael is dead.
RIP Michael..:rose:


We have just lost 4 celebrities..wow.

I think the reason you always hear death comes in 3's..is we stop counting after 3 and start over..

*bold by me

I never thought of that Citygirl. You may be on to something but these deaths have come so quickly. One seemingly behind the other.

[doctor_J]

I'm devastated. A true creative genius, weirdness and all. One of the few of my time. Unprecedented success and unparalleled tragedy.

If he was guilty of pediphilia, it's unforgivable. But he was found not guilty, and the accusers always seemed to have extortionistic motives. I decided to give him the benefit of the doubt.

His musical and creative talent set a new bar that has never been broken. His children have an incredible legacy.

[Citygirl]

*bold by me

I never thought of that Citygirl. You may be on to something but these deaths have come so quickly. One seemingly behind the other.


I know..and now 2 in one day..Farrah about breakfast time and Michael around 3 pm..I wonder if their some sick celebrities that are gettin a little anxious to make it thru the night?

[Miditka07]

For the Jackson family:rose::rose::rose:

[all4one]

Alright, we will try this again. Please respect the fact that this man just died. Any slamming of his looks or insults that are uncalled for will result in no thread available. This is a discussion board for just that, discussion. We have received too many reports regarding this thread, and it will result in closing if keeps up. Abide by the TOS.

[FallenAngel♥]

Someone asked on the other thread what has TMZ ever posted that turned out to not be true and honestly i can't think of any time they got something major wrong.

TMZ is owned in part by Time Warner so they really have the money to get in places and get the dirt.

[kitty1182]

RIP Michael :rose:

[Tracian]

They are talking about the children now on HLN.

[GentleBreeze]

Someone asked on the other thread what has TMZ ever posted that turned out to not be true and honestly i can't think of any time they got something major wrong.

TMZ is owned in part by Time Warner so they really have the money to get in places and get the dirt.

The Associated Press is reporting it too so I do believe Michael has died.

imo

[dinojen]

So sad that his mother and sister LaToya arrived after his death.. although from what it appears he was already deceased when he was taken to the hospital.

Fox is also reporting that Elizabeth Taylor is at the hospital paying her respects.. that does not surprise me.

What wonder music he created..:sad:

[Ice Cycle]

Well I for one am saddened both by his death and what his life had turned into, I think their is alot that is going to come out now about his health over the years that I believe was keep secrete.

[kitty1182]

:rose::rose::rose:

[FallenAngel♥]

LA coroner is on with CNN and he has confirmed MJ is dead.

I wonder when we'll get a presser.

[FallenAngel♥]

Check this out:

Jacko's Death Grinds the Internet to a Halt

In the moments following Michael Jackson's death -- so many people rushed to the Internet, that it practically stopped the entire WWW in its tracks.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/25/jackos-death-grinds-the-internet-to-a-halt/

yeah i was on twitter trying to tweet with my sister and it went down;.

[FallenAngel♥]

Autopsy will take place tomorrow morning.

per Lt. Fred Corral the LA coroner

[FallenAngel♥]

Al Sharpton is speaking on CNN now.

[GentleBreeze]

Check this out:

Jacko's Death Grinds the Internet to a Halt

In the moments following Michael Jackson's death -- so many people rushed to the Internet, that it practically stopped the entire WWW in its tracks.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/25/jackos-death-grinds-the-internet-to-a-halt/

It reminds me of the day that Elvis died. The world just seemed to stand still in shock.

imo

[FallenAngel♥]

It reminds me of the day that Elvis died. The world just seemed to stand still in shock.

imo

First person i thought about when they said MJ was in cardiac arrest i thought about Elvis.............I hope MJ was in the bathroom when it happen because that would just be freaky.

[barskin&co.]

Well, at this time I will remember how great a performer he was even as little child in the Jackson Five, then later in his "Thriller" hey days when I loved to dance along to a "Billy Jean" video.


:rose:

[4Life]

Please there was just another thread closed due to this. If you don't have anything nice to say -- please just go away. There are many who would just like to share their condolences.

Well said
A person/father has died. Wether you liked him or not you still should be respectful

[GentleBreeze]

LA coroner is on with CNN and he has confirmed MJ is dead.

I wonder when we'll get a presser.

Liz has got to be so upset about this. I know she thought she would pass away before he did.

imo

[dinojen]

Al Sharpton is speaking on CNN now.

I have him on FOX right now... that man irritates me to no end.. hasn't spoken to him in a year.. hasn't spoken to the family today.. but yet he's at the microphone...

Expecting a news conference from the hospital shortly.

[LILMANMAX]

I heard his Father was on the way from Las Vegas where he lives.

Thanx for all the memories. You were loved and will be missed. The TH can't hurt you anymore.


RIP Michael. :rose::rose::rose:

[FallenAngel♥]

Liz has got to be so upset about this. I know she thought she would pass away before he did.

imo

No doubt. she first put out a statement saying he was fine and breathing ok and no cardiac arrest and then 20 minutes later her team said she was on her way to say good bye.

[dinojen]

Liz has got to be so upset about this. I know she thought she would pass away before he did.

imo

FOX is reporting she is at the hospital.. or went to the hospital to pay her respects.. It doesn't surprise me at all.. they were such good friends.. she understood him.

[Keno]

I would rather go back to the Michael Jackson, the performer, that I remember in the 70's and 80's. He was a genius -

[FallenAngel♥]

I have him on FOX right now... that man irritates me to no end.. hasn't spoken to him in a year.. hasn't spoken to the family today.. but yet he's at the microphone...

Expecting a news conference from the hospital shortly.

Yeah no doubt...he always wants to stick his ladle in someone's koolaid.

[kipswife]

Please there was just another thread closed due to this. If you don't have anything nice to say -- please just go away. There are many who would just like to share their condolences.

Is this really the type of thread for condolences? after all it is an in session message boards. usually we talk about the issues, whether they are ones we all like or not. i believe there are fan web sites for those of you who want to praise him. this is not really one of those websites...unless we have lost all prospective of it also.
i believe we have one less pedophilia to deal with.

[FallenAngel♥]

FOX playing the Billy Jean video...........ohh i haven't seen this one in years. *dance in her chair*

[dinojen]

http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/25/elton-john-sings-for-michael-jackson/

Elton John's was in the middle of his annual "White Tie and Tiara Ball" when he was rocked by the news of Michael Jackson's death.

We're told Elton is singing right now at the event and he's dedicated his song "Don't Let the Sun Go Down on Me" to Michael.

[4Life]

[QUOTE=kipswife;13225281]Is this really the type of thread for condolences? QUOTE] Yup, read the opening post on this thread by the mod.

Show respect

RIP MJ and FF

[panache]

They are talking about the children now on HLN.

I just heard the news, and the first thing I thought of were those children. What are they saying about what will happen to them? Will they go to Debbie?

So sorry to hear of his death. He was extremely talented, and too young for this to happen.

[FallenAngel♥]

I just heard the news, and the first thing I thought of were those children. What are they saying about what will happen to them? Will they go to Debbie?

So sorry to hear of his death. He was extremely talented, and too young for this to happen.

Debbie gave up all her rights but she might can get them back now MSNBC was saying earlier.

[Unleashed]

I am sorry that the other thread was closed but not that this man died. The world is a safer place without him. I realize I don't have a constitutional right to post my views on this board but I'll take my chances with being banned.

KathR, please take other posters into consideration who do not want this thread shut down.

jmo

[dinojen]

Playing You Are Not Alone on Fox... I love that song...:crying:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8rYl6K2STc

[Callie]

This is really sad. He was such a talented man. I don't believe all the claims made against him. This is a great lose.

Rest in peace Michael:rose:
Thank you for all your wonderful music.

[panache]

Debbie gave up all her rights but she might can get them back now MSNBC was saying earlier.

Thanks Angel. I think that would be a great idea if possible. Those kids must be reeling right about now. I hope they will go somewhere staple and safe, and normal.

[sunstar]

:rose: Rest in Peace, Michael :rose:

My thoughts and prayers are with his family and three children.

[GentleBreeze]

Alright, we will try this again. Please respect the fact that this man just died. Any slamming of his looks or insults that are uncalled for will result in no thread available. This is a discussion board for just that, discussion. We have received too many reports regarding this thread, and it will result in closing if keeps up. Abide by the TOS.

BUMP!

Just a helpful reminder.

[Tracian]

Thanks Angel. I think that would be a great idea if possible. Those kids must be reeling right about now. I hope they will go somewhere staple and safe, and normal.

A TV Shrink was saying that the children are going to have a very rough time because of their lives being so secluded.

NG covering.

[sunstar]

Debbie gave up all her rights but she might can get them back now MSNBC was saying earlier.

On JVM's show just a few minutes ago, they were saying it'll be up to what is in his Will and his mother seemed to be the only 'mother figure' to them. :sad:


Nancy Grace is also leading in her show tonight about his death.

[aproudmom]

Nancy Grace has it on her show tonight...on here right now

[sunstar]

A TV Shrink was saying that the children are going to have a very rough time because of their lives being so secluded.

NG covering.

I agree and feel very sorry for the children. :sad:

[VC2]

Fox is playing "you are not alone" by Michael, a beautiful and appropriate song.

It is a very sad day, reminds me of when Elvis died. People of all ages, who were not even born when Michael made thriller are in shock and saddened. What has surprised me is the amount who have his music, the local store clerks asked me if it was true, and when i said yes 2 of the 17 year olds burst into tears.

Shep smith just said that as news started to come out so many people went to the web sites, both celeb and news that the internet creaked almost to a halt. I remember not being able to refresh a page forever and put it down to dial up but apparently it was for everyone.

Ok, even further proof that its a world wide shock and sadness, O'Reilly has been preempted, Shep is in for him.

imo.

Heck i even cried , and i never was into his music as a country music lover.

[panache]

A TV Shrink was saying that the children are going to have a very rough time because of their lives being so secluded.

NG covering.

That's what I was thinking of, they are truly going to be lost. I hope they are surrounded by love tonight.

[FallenAngel♥]

OMG i'm not going to post the link but ET has a picture of MJ while they are doing CPR :ohmy: why do people post pictures like that?

[RootBeer]

If you care to reply, what is your favorite MJ song. You can have more than one. :biggrin:

my fav: Man In The Mirror

[sunstar]

OMG i'm not going to post the link but ET has a picture of MJ while they are doing CPR :ohmy: why do people post pictures like that?

I too think it's very disrespectful. One caller into Nancy's show thought the media being outside the house could've prevented him from getting to the hospital in time, but it seems all reports are that he may have already been dead when EMS arrived. MOO

[nothingnew]

On JVM's show just a few minutes ago, they were saying it'll be up to what is in his Will and his mother seemed to be the only 'mother figure' to them. :sad:


Nancy Grace is also leading in her show tonight about his death.

I was under the impression there was a nanny who was their mother figure now. Was there a mention of her at all? I hope she's still in the picture for the children. I can't imagine what they are going through or how much they've been told by now.

[sunstar]

If you care to reply, what is your favorite MJ song. You can have more than one. :biggrin:

my fav: Man In The Mirror

I think mine would be "I'll Be There" even though it was done many years ago. :smile:

[Chick Pea]

Here you go. Not like it's porn or anything. It's the front page of an entertainment mag./show that's probably been posted here thousands of times.

http://www.etonline.com/

[dinojen]

Gosh there are so many beautiful songs he has recorded. My daughter is spending time away from home with friends and when the news broke she called to make sure I was OK. I am such a huge fan of MJ's music.

I think The Man in the Mirror is so indicative of the times we live in too!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zpTQCQEFhg

Gone Too Soon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59kFCmOyZOo&feature=related

I know.. his music was just beautiful.. he loved his music .. his children.. I loved his music.. especially songs like this...

[FallenAngel♥]

If you care to reply, what is your favorite MJ song. You can have more than one. :biggrin:

my fav: Man In The Mirror

We are the world..........
I was a teenager and it made me want to donate my time and money to others that were less fortunate.



PRESS CONFERENCE with the family in SIX minutes.....

[sunstar]

I was under the impression there was a nanny who was their mother figure now. Was there a mention of her at all? I hope she's still in the picture for the children. I can't imagine what they are going through or how much they've been told by now.

If she was mentioned I missed it (I got home halfway through her show). His mother and Debbie Rowe were talked about, but mentioned that Debbie had given up all parental rights. So it came back to his mother as a possibility, of course depending on what's in his Will.

[VC2]

If you care to reply, what is your favorite MJ song. You can have more than one. :biggrin:

my fav: Man In The Mirror\

I don't know many but I do like Beat It and the "you are not alone i just heard.

[nothingnew]

If you care to reply, what is your favorite MJ song. You can have more than one. :biggrin:

my fav: Man In The Mirror

I'll Be There

[FallenAngel♥]

Network, cable - where? Thx

i'm watching MSNBC but i'm sure it will be everywhere and if you want to watch it online http://tmz.com will show it.

[FallenAngel♥]

Presley put out a statement.......


Presley states, "I'm in shock, as I know everyone must be. What a tragic loss. My heartfelt thoughts are with his family at this very difficult time."


http://extratv.warnerbros.com/2009/06/presley_on_jackson_im_in_shock.php

[aproudmom]

OMG i'm not going to post the link but ET has a picture of MJ while they are doing CPR :ohmy: why do people post pictures like that?

OMG how sick..

[SKARDYKAT]

Since Debbie Rowe has given up her parental rights, twice (for money) she will have no legal right to the children. It is not that they do not have a wealth of extended family to care for them. You can bet MJ has made provisions for their guardianship.
When I first saw the Jackson Five's first TV appearance, I was awed.
Michael was an extreme talent that does not come along often.

[VC2]

WHY does CNN keep getting it wrong? His tour was NOT delayed to next march just a few of the July dates, other dates were still on schedule. 3 or 4 correspondents are going off what Tim someone said on cnn earlier.

It was my understanding that they felt he could not do as many dates at once the first month as they scheduled so they moved some to the end.

imo

[Charms]

RIP Mikie. You will truly be missed. My heart is heavy.

Thank God he was at home and not in some foreign country.

:rose::rose::rose:

[FallenAngel♥]

OMG how sick..

Amen...sad thing about it is his nose look strange to me. IMO he was already dead at that point. God bless them for trying so hard though.

I hate the paparrazi.

[Tracian]

If she was mentioned I missed it (I got home halfway through her show). His mother and Debbie Rowe were talked about, but mentioned that Debbie had given up all parental rights. So it came back to his mother as a possibility, of course depending on what's in his Will.


This is going to be a fight, IF Debbie chooses to fight. All she will have to claim is that the money machine and the popularity of MJ made it impossible for her to get her children...even if she looses, she will get media attention and maybe a book or movie deal.

I just talked a legal secretary, she said her boss, a lawyer told he that leaving 'wishes' in your will is good, and sometimes the court will weigh that sometimes they will not...but the lawyer told her that one cannot 'Will' children like one would Will personal items. According to him, at some point CDF or the DA would have to investigate and have a guardian appointed by the court to ensure the best interest of the children; especially if trust funds are included in the issue.

[FallenAngel♥]

WHY does CNN keep getting it wrong? His tour was NOT delayed to next march just a few of the July dates, other dates were still on schedule. 3 or 4 correspondents are going off what Tim someone said on cnn earlier.

It was my understanding that they felt he could not do as many dates at once the first month as they scheduled so they moved some to the end.

imo

Can you give me a link to the last time CNN got something right? They really have been going down hill in the past few years. IMO

[nothingnew]

If she was mentioned I missed it (I got home halfway through her show). His mother and Debbie Rowe were talked about, but mentioned that Debbie had given up all parental rights. So it came back to his mother as a possibility, of course depending on what's in his Will.

Thanks. I am sure with all of his legal dealings that his Will is in good order and financially they'll be fine, I'm just hoping that there are people in their lives that they are comfortable with that we don't know of, I hope anyway.

[dinojen]

Fox just reported that Lisa Marie has made a statement and said she is in total shock and deeply deeply saddened.. her heart goes out to his children and his family.. just heard it on FOX will see if I can find a link.

ETonline has a statement from Priscilla Presley also.. saying the same thing.. all about the children and his family..

[VC2]

That would be me :) pm on its way

Great to see you again, i will never forget that year or the horrendous reporting compared to the real facts in court. Sad we meet again under these circumstances.

What is the song ... "the day the music died"? For many today is one of those days.

[Callie]

Good Riddance, IMO

:shrug:

Now isn't that sweet. They may say that about you one day.

[FallenAngel♥]

This is going to be a fight, IF Debbie chooses to fight. All she will have to claim is that the money machine and the popularity of MJ made it impossible for her to get her children...even if she looses, she will get media attention and maybe a book or movie deal.

I just talked a legal secretary, she said her boss, a lawyer told he that leaving 'wishes' in your will is good, and sometimes the court will weigh that sometimes they will not...but the lawyer told her that one cannot 'Will' children like one would Will personal items. According to him, at some point CDF or the DA would have to investigate and have a guardian appointed by the court to ensure the best interest of the children; especially if trust funds are included in the issue.

My sister had ALS and about six months before she died we had it all set up my husband and i would adopt her son. Of course we had to go through child protective services and a background check and all that and then four days after my sister died we adopted my nephew.

[aproudmom]

Celebs mourn Michael Jackson on Twitter, friends and fans in shock:sad:

http://www.examiner.com/x-264-Celebrity-News-Examiner~y2009m6d25-Celebs-mourn-Michael-Jackson-on-Twitter-friends-and-fans-in-shock

When news of Michael Jackson's death was first posted on Twitter, nobody wanted to believe it. Most celebrities were trying to find out if *legitimate* news sources had confirmed it.

Alyssa Milano: Has a credible news source confirmed Michael Jackson's death?

Martha Stewart: i am waiting to see if the rumors are true about michael jackson

Samantha Ronson: i really really really really really hope that the internet rumours are incorrect.

Ashlee Simpson Wentz: TMZ please be wrong. Everyone have hope.

Then when the worst was confirmed to be true, the shock and sadness began to spread. Ashton Kutcher asked his 2+ million followers to pray for Michael Jackson's children, adding:

I plea to the public to refuse to consume media that does not respect the anonymity of Michael's children.

[vonna]

Brilliant and talented man who went far in his lifetime.
I feel for his family but especially for his children.

Michael Jackson will be remembered for his many talents and forever linked to child molestation. What a legacy.

Sad. So young.

My sentiments exactly.

[justmy2cents]

The year was 1982 the first album i ever owned "Thriller". My how time flys... this man is / was one of the last true icons left in music.

We have been blessed for 40 some odd years of his musical talents. May he rest in peace and i pray for his children and family.

50 is so very young, this is a shock....

thank you Micheal for the soundtrack to my adolecence...

[GentleBreeze]

OMG i'm not going to post the link but ET has a picture of MJ while they are doing CPR :ohmy: why do people post pictures like that?

Well he still had pretty good coloring, I thought, so he must not have been dead too long when they found him.

LaToya looks devastated.

This has to come as a total shock to all of his family.

imo

[Tracian]

My sister had ALS and about six months before she died we had it all set up my husband and i would adopt her son. Of course we had to go through child protective services and a background check and all that and then four days after my sister died we adopted my nephew.


Right, you were checked, they just didn't read a Will and say, "Oh, you were left the children"

I imagine that no one contested either in your case.

[dinojen]

Is anyone listening to FOX with Shep.. he's interviewing Uri Geller.. he's a tv psychic .. ok I know.. psychic.. he's a friend of Michael's.. wow.. the things he just said.. going to wait for a link.. I was like.. whoa..

I'll wait till I find it on the internet..

[sunstar]

This is going to be a fight, IF Debbie chooses to fight. All she will have to claim is that the money machine and the popularity of MJ made it impossible for her to get her children...even if she looses, she will get media attention and maybe a book or movie deal.

I just talked a legal secretary, she said her boss, a lawyer told he that leaving 'wishes' in your will is good, and sometimes the court will weigh that sometimes they will not...but the lawyer told her that one cannot 'Will' children like one would Will personal items. According to him, at some point CDF or the DA would have to investigate and have a guardian appointed by the court to ensure the best interest of the children; especially if trust funds are included in the issue.

I think what the TH's on JVM's show meant was exactly that ~ he could express his wishes for the children's care but ultimately that person or persons would have to be fit to take care of them. I only hope they are with someone they already know and are comfortable with to lessen a little bit the trauma of his death. :sad: MOO

[Callie]

I'm devastated. A true creative genius, weirdness and all. One of the few of my time. Unprecedented success and unparalleled tragedy.

If he was guilty of pediphilia, it's unforgivable. But he was found not guilty, and the accusers always seemed to have extortionistic motives. I decided to give him the benefit of the doubt.

His musical and creative talent set a new bar that has never been broken. His children have an incredible legacy.

That's right, doctor_J, he was found NOT GUILTY. It was all about money with those people.

[sunstar]

Thanks. I am sure with all of his legal dealings that his Will is in good order and financially they'll be fine, I'm just hoping that there are people in their lives that they are comfortable with that we don't know of, I hope anyway.

So do I. :smile: I heard earlier that the life the children have had so far is so removed from "normal" such as never having been to a school, always sheltered, not being in public without a mask on, etc. that it will be a difficult adjustment for them. MOO

[FallenAngel♥]

Is anyone listening to FOX with Shep.. he's interviewing Uri Geller.. he's a tv psychic .. ok I know.. psychic.. he's a friend of Michael's.. wow.. the things he just said.. going to wait for a link.. I was like.. whoa..

I'll wait till I find it on the internet..

I missed it. was it anything like Brian Oxman had to say about being over medicated?

[FallenAngel♥]

She also said that he was anerexic.

well i believe that one. even al sharpton said today his weight was a big deal with michael he had highs and lows.

[Callie]

Sorry, being a great singer doesnt negate abusing children.

There will be no crocodile tears here.

JMO

OK, crocodile. He didn't abuse kids. Found NOT GUILTY
False claims from money hungry people.

crocodiles= sharp teeth and snapping jaws. What a legacy

[GentleBreeze]

I used to like DD but in the past few years i've come to really dislike her a lot.

Right. And what does this have to do with the father that has raised them since they were born and them losing him today? DD cant get past throwing mud to do the story. These children have now lost their father.:mad:

imo

[RootBeer]

This is no surprise.....years back it was proven that the children he had with Debbie Rowe were Caucasion. the third one, I am not sure.

I honestly never heard that before.

[aproudmom]

OMG BRIAN OXMAN IS NOT GOOD he is on NG well on phone..he said kids are with Nanny at this time and will be with MJ mother..

[FallenAngel♥]

OMG BRIAN OXMAN IS NOT GOOD he is on NG well on phone..he said kids are with Nanny at this time and will be with MJ mother..

i'm not even going to watch NG tonight........

[sunstar]

OMG BRIAN OXMAN IS NOT GOOD he is on NG well on phone..he said kids are with Nanny at this time and will be with MJ mother..

He also seems to believe that doctors prescribing drugs contribued to MJ's death and wants an investigation. :sad:

[Snoopy50]

I honestly never heard that before.
Happened during the molestation trial here. The two children with Rowe have no African-American blood. The third one may , the last photo I saw in a magazine a couple years ago showed him to be rather dark-skinned.

[aproudmom]

Yea-- her and Nancy Grace are having a hay day!

OFGS I have had it on NG she has not been rude to anyone..I see no hay day..alot have their feelings on MJ as I DO TO but still wish no one death but NG has not said one word so far that I think this statement is fair to her.....:rolleyes:

[Snoopy50]

Are you all aware that LAPD's robbery/homicide is on the scene at the rented home the family was living in?

[GentleBreeze]

Happened during the molestation trial here. The two children with Rowe have no African-American blood. The third one may , the last photo I saw in a magazine a couple years ago showed him to be rather dark-skinned.

Their skin tone is no assurance to what race they are.

When did that come up in the molestation trial and why would it be in there?

Did they produce a DNA profile in court?

I don't remember that being confirmed only speculated about.

imo

[ExArkie]

I shall always have a soft spot in my heart for Michael! Yes, I know he had problems; but,

he was the same age as my kids - so, he grew up with them

- joke in our family was - here's little Michael Jackson - just 12, same as you - and he's made his family millions and you kids have never made your Dad and I one dime!!:sad: RIP, Michael!!

[sunstar]

i'm not even going to watch NG tonight........

She's actually been playing a lot of his music videos! :smile:

[*Serenity*]

Are you all aware that LAPD's robbery/homicide is on the scene at the rented home the family was living in?


Wow... where is this being reported Snoop?

[nothingnew]

Are you all aware that LAPD's robbery/homicide is on the scene at the rented home the family was living in?

No! Please enlighten me, please.

[sunstar]

Are you all aware that LAPD's robbery/homicide is on the scene at the rented home the family was living in?

Yes I heard that! It seems just fine with the family lawyer who was just on NG's show. MOO

[Snoopy50]

Their skin tone is no assurance to what race they are.

When did that come up in the molestation trial and why would it be in there?

Did they produce a DNA profile in court?

I don't remember that being confirmed only speculated about.

imo
I sat through a few days of that trial since it was a couple miles from home, and an attorney friend was there just about every day. due to some evidence found, the DA got an order for a DNA test, I believe (forgive me but it's been a few years and my brain cell disappear faster these days) because Gloria Alred was working with CPS and trying to remove the kids. The DNA test results were released, and it proved the children were NOT his biologically and they WERE caucasion.

[4Life]

OFGS I have had it on NG she has not been rude to anyone..I see no hay day..alot have their feelings on MJ as I DO TO but still wish no one death but NG has not said one word so far that I think this statement is fair to her.....:rolleyes:

I had NG on too and didn't hear any bad out of her mouth about MJ

[SwFlorida]

You are ABSOLUTELY correct and the rumors continue !!! They are HIS children -- he RAISED, SUPPORTED, CARED and LOVED them. :cursing:

ITA

RIP Michael Jackson :rose:

[kipswife]

Celebs mourn Michael Jackson on Twitter, friends and fans in shock:sad:

http://www.examiner.com/x-264-Celebrity-News-Examiner~y2009m6d25-Celebs-mourn-Michael-Jackson-on-Twitter-friends-and-fans-in-shock

When news of Michael Jackson's death was first posted on Twitter, nobody wanted to believe it. Most celebrities were trying to find out if *legitimate* news sources had confirmed it.

Alyssa Milano: Has a credible news source confirmed Michael Jackson's death?

Martha Stewart: i am waiting to see if the rumors are true about michael jackson

Samantha Ronson: i really really really really really hope that the internet rumours are incorrect.

Ashlee Simpson Wentz: TMZ please be wrong. Everyone have hope.

Then when the worst was confirmed to be true, the shock and sadness began to spread. Ashton Kutcher asked his 2+ million followers to pray for Michael Jackson's children, adding:

I plea to the public to refuse to consume media that does not respect the anonymity of Michael's children.

just curious...when did Samantha Ronson become a celebrity?

[Snoopy50]

No! Please enlighten me, please.
Police are not saying anything.....Channels 5, 7 and 11 in Los Angeles. We have a daughter who is a cop in So. CA, but she is at work, can't very well call her to see if she knows anything. Darn.

[Snoopy50]

News conference. LA Coroner has taken custody of the body, this is now a coroner's investigation.

[LisaM22]

to me the Michael Jackson I knew died many years ago, I think the children will be much better off now, and Michael is at peace :rose:

[Olives]

I want to hear the 911 call and I am very glad that an autopsy is being performed and that the police are investigating.

[kipswife]

to me the Michael Jackson I knew died many years ago, I think the children will be much better off now, and Michael is at peace :rose:

nicely said

[GentleBreeze]

I sat through a few days of that trial since it was a couple miles from home, and an attorney friend was there just about every day. due to some evidence found, the DA got an order for a DNA test, I believe (forgive me but it's been a few years and my brain cell disappear faster these days) because Gloria Alred was working with CPS and trying to remove the kids. The DNA test results were released, and it proved the children were NOT his biologically and they WERE caucasion.

So do mine, Snoopy, so that is why I asked you but it still makes no sense to me. He had legal rights to these children and iirc, CPS said they felt that MJ was a capable father to the children. I don't understand how they would have the power to make him give DNA or get DNA from his children when they had no intentions of taking away the children. He doesn't have to be their biological parent to be their legal father so I am still perplexed that was the case, if so.

imo

[Snoopy50]

Police say that they are routinely called out for high profile cases so the public should not read anything into that. Would not say what they were looking at inside the home.

[GentleBreeze]

I want to hear the 911 call and I am very glad that an autopsy is being performed and that the police are investigating.

An autopsy is done when a death is unexpected. They would have done an autopsy even if it wasn't MJ.

imo

[kipswife]

I honestly don't think that she can. It's gotten her this "far" and it's between her and God. I agree with your opinion totally. Michael Jackson was a major musical talent and he will be the inspiration for many, many more artists in the future and remembered fondly by millions worldwide.

and there are millions who will not remember him fondly....i am one of those. sorry if that hurts anyone.

[Snoopy50]

So do mine, Snoopy, so that is why I asked you but it still makes no sense to me. He had legal rights to these children and iirc, CPS said they felt that MJ was a capable father to the children. I don't understand how they would have the power to make him give DNA or get DNA from his children when they had no intentions of taking away the children. He doesn't have to be their biological parent to be their legal father so I am still perplexed that was the case, if so.

imo
Ocean, remember Debbie Rowe was also fighting for custody during that time, I bet that had a lot to do with it. FYI CPS did NOT determine anything as to the welfare of the kids, the case was taken from them as soon as the bogus acquital came in. CPS was powerless.

[dinojen]

Wow... where is this being reported Snoop?

Actually just heard a news conference short and sweet on FOX with the LAPD.. they said the only reason that robbery/homicide dept was assigned to the case was because of the high profile of the case.. this was per instruction of the Chief of Police... again they just reported there is no evidence of any wrong doing.. they were just trying to control the scene because of the high profile of the deceased.

Nothing more to it..

[FallenAngel♥]

Are you all aware that LAPD's robbery/homicide is on the scene at the rented home the family was living in?

Yep i just saw that on FOX..........i'm glad they are there. I hope this is not another anna nicole smith case.

[Snoopy50]

I remember quite well that Allred tried to get his children removed but there were NEVER any DNA tests produced. I specifically remember huge discussions on this - was never proven and they can't FORCE you to take a DNA test. Even during the custody battle Debbie Rowe never once said the children were not his - not that it matters. HE FED, LOVED, CARED, RAISED AND SUPPORTED HIS children.

This has been a matter of discussion FOR YEARS.
I beg to differ with you, there was a DNA test, I would not make that statement if I did not personally know it to be true.

[sunstar]

Police say that they are routinely called out for high profile cases so the public should not read anything into that. Would not say what they were looking at inside the home.

I'm thinking from what the family lawyer said it may be prescription drugs they're looking for. Just MOO.

[legalmania]

This is dedicated to Farrah, Michael and Ed . You are free now, so go sore the Universe in peace. Of course Caylee and all the other murdered and missing children.

----------------
Now playing: Michael Jackson - Gone Too Soon (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/michael_jackson/track/gone_too_soon)
via FoxyTunes (http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/)

[FallenAngel♥]

LKL's about to come on and i'm sure he'll talk about Farrah and Michael.

[GentleBreeze]

Police say that they are routinely called out for high profile cases so the public should not read anything into that. Would not say what they were looking at inside the home.

They may want to make sure that no outsider tries to come in or tries to steal any of his belongings. Probably walking through to see what is there. They may even take an inventory just to make sure things don't go missing. Or they may be picking up any prescriptions laying around that belonged to MJ.

I think it is just a precaution.

imo

[Snoopy50]

and there are millions who will not remember him fondly....i am one of those. sorry if that hurts anyone.
I am another one. Not being a hateful person, I have a clothes pin holding my lips together.

[RootBeer]

I sat through a few days of that trial since it was a couple miles from home, and an attorney friend was there just about every day. due to some evidence found, the DA got an order for a DNA test, I believe (forgive me but it's been a few years and my brain cell disappear faster these days) because Gloria Alred was working with CPS and trying to remove the kids. The DNA test results were released, and it proved the children were NOT his biologically and they WERE caucasion.


Thanks for stretching your brain cells. :thumbsup:

[aproudmom]

He also seems to believe that doctors prescribing drugs contribued to MJ's death and wants an investigation. :sad:

I know he seems to have a strong feeling he will know what killed him..and will tell all..so guess we will see what has happened I say it will be like another Anna Nicole Smith case...plus MJ was not very healthy in the past few years and stress can really do horrible things to your body.....no matter what it is very sad..I am sending his kids and family and his fans my thoughts and prayers..we have lost 2 today Farrah and MJ:sad:

[dinojen]

and there are millions who will not remember him fondly....i am one of those. sorry if that hurts anyone.


If you have such disdain for him then why are your here.. many places to start a thread to post your beliefs on how you choose to remember him.. just a suggestion.. This one is for a human being that just passed away.. JMHO

[sunstar]

LKL's about to come on and i'm sure he'll talk about Farrah and Michael.

On Fox News, Geraldo's standing in for Sean Hannity (I wonder why! :wink:) and talking about Michael.

[Callie]

I still have my Thriller album. Tomorrow I will get my record player out and play it. I will keep it always. I love him, He truly is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59kFCmOyZOo


RIP Michael

RIP Farrah

Hi Snazzy!:seeya:

I loved that song. So beautifully sung and written (by him)
And yes, he is "Gone To Soon"

[Snoopy50]

Then you need to support your statement with documentation. Thank you.

I cannot do that, enough posters know me well enough to understand why that is. I would imagine that the report and lots of other things will be hitting the Internet in coming weeks and months.

[FallenAngel♥]

I beg to differ with you, there was a DNA test, I would not make that statement if I did not personally know it to be true.

ummmmmmmmmm only DNA test i ever heard about was in the child molestation case.
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,880337,00.html

[FallenAngel♥]

On Fox News, Geraldo's standing in for Sean Hannity (I wonder why! :wink:) and talking about Michael.

I'll stick with LKL he's talking to Cher and Celine Dion.

[Snoopy50]

Thanks for stretching your brain cells. :thumbsup:

I must say that these days it's a really tough job.:biggrin:

[GentleBreeze]

and there are millions who will not remember him fondly....i am one of those. sorry if that hurts anyone.

That is okay. There will be millions more all across the world that will.

imo

[Tracian]

So do mine, Snoopy, so that is why I asked you but it still makes no sense to me. He had legal rights to these children and iirc, CPS said they felt that MJ was a capable father to the children. I don't understand how they would have the power to make him give DNA or get DNA from his children when they had no intentions of taking away the children. He doesn't have to be their biological parent to be their legal father so I am still perplexed that was the case, if so.

imo

Adoption has to be done through courts. One cannot just make private arrangments to allow someone to adopt their children.

Even when my husband adopted my children from a previous marriage, investigators came to the house they already lived in, to check for proper enviroment.

I am not saying that MJ didn't do everything perfectly legal...I have no idea, and I agree that biology does not a parent make--I just wonder if this will become an issue should something be 'shady' now that a spot light is going to be shinning again on this family.

[aproudmom]

LKL a doctor said he was having problems last night and a doctor was called..no link just on LKL

[kipswife]

If you have such disdain for him then why are your here.. many places to start a thread to post your beliefs on how you choose to remember him.. just a suggestion.. This one is for a human being that just passed away.. JMHO

this is not the "I MUST LOVE MICHEAL JACKSON" thread. i have just as much right to be here as you. if you dont like what i say....use ignore
but dont think you have the right to say who can be here.
you are no more or less than me

[sunstar]

I know he seems to have a strong feeling he will know what killed him..and will tell all..so guess we will see what has happened I say it will be like another Anna Nicole Smith case...plus MJ was not very healthy in the past few years and stress can really do horrible things to your body.....no matter what it is very sad..I am sending his kids and family and his fans my thoughts and prayers..we have lost 2 today Farrah and MJ:sad:

I was still getting over her death today then saw the breaking news about Michael online just before I left work today. It almost seems like a surreal day. :crying:

[dinojen]

I know he seems to have a strong feeling he will know what killed him..and will tell all..so guess we will see what has happened I say it will be like another Anna Nicole Smith case...plus MJ was not very healthy in the past few years and stress can really do horrible things to your body.....no matter what it is very sad..I am sending his kids and family and his fans my thoughts and prayers..we have lost 2 today Farrah and MJ:sad:

Have LKL on right now.. and they are discussing his death.. Celine Dion is speaking right now..

Also there was a dr. didn't catch his name.. saying the autopsy of course will tell what medications he had .. it is thought it was no more than stress at this point.

LMBO.. Celine is telling how excited she was when MJ gave her one of his hats... going to be an interesting show.. IMOOC

[Cardinal]

What a shame. I know in recent years Michael Jackson became a parody of himself. But I remember the Jackson 5 and Thriller...and the innovation and excitement that accompanied it.

RIP Michael.

[Snoopy50]

ummmmmmmmmm only DNA test i ever heard about was in the child molestation case.
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,880337,00.html
It WAs done during the trial. Honestly, I have tried to forget those days, our community was not pleased with all the publicity.

[nothingnew]

and there are millions who will not remember him fondly....i am one of those. sorry if that hurts anyone.

No worries. For the record Samantha Ronson has been a celeb since around 2003 or 2004, somewhere in that area-awesome DJ!

[FallenAngel♥]

here goes the Sun doing what they do best :rolleyes:

REPORT: 'Collapsed after an injection of potent Demerol'...

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/bizarre/2501914/Michael-Jacksons-last-moments.html

[LisaM22]

Wow Because you don't like MJ - doesn't mean HIS children don't love him and he loved them. OMG - they lost THEIR father

I loved MJ before he changed, I had his tapes, watched him on MTV when MTV was really MTV... your reading too much into what I said, I think something happened to MJ and part of him died many years ago... I think MJ is at peace now...

[GentleBreeze]

LKL a doctor said he was having problems last night and a doctor was called..no link just on LKL

Problems? Like labored breathing or something?

imo

[Snoopy50]

Adoption has to be done through courts. One cannot just make private arrangments to allow someone to adopt their children.

Even when my husband adopted my children from a previous marriage, investigators came to the house they already lived in, to check for proper enviroment.

I am not saying that MJ didn't do everything perfectly legal...I have no idea, and I agree that biology does not a parent make--I just wonder if this will become an issue should something be 'shady' now that a spot light is going to be shinning again on this family.
For the kids sake, I hope this will not be the case. It would be nice to allow them to get past all that and try to have as normal lives as possible.

[nothingnew]

Actually just heard a news conference short and sweet on FOX with the LAPD.. they said the only reason that robbery/homicide dept was assigned to the case was because of the high profile of the case.. this was per instruction of the Chief of Police... again they just reported there is no evidence of any wrong doing.. they were just trying to control the scene because of the high profile of the deceased.

Nothing more to it..

Ah, that makes sense. It's just still all such a shock.

[FallenAngel♥]

It WAs done during the trial. Honestly, I have tried to forget those days, our community was not pleased with all the publicity.

but there wasn't ever any paternity test done.

[FallenAngel♥]

I wonder if Celine Dion's appearance on LKL will be anything like after Katrina?

PG can you remind me about what happen after Katrina because i don't remember. Thanks.

[sunstar]

LKL a doctor said he was having problems last night and a doctor was called..no link just on LKL

I missed it ~ thanks. :sad: Geraldo just played the 2005 interview he did with Michael, talking about his children and how he wanted to be the best dad to them.

[FallenAngel♥]

I sneezed about 20 minutes ago did i miss the PC?

[aproudmom]

Adoption has to be done through courts. One cannot just make private arrangments to allow someone to adopt their children.

Even when my husband adopted my children from a previous marriage, investigators came to the house they already lived in, to check for proper enviroment.

I am not saying that MJ didn't do everything perfectly legal...I have no idea, and I agree that biology does not a parent make--I just wonder if this will become an issue should something be 'shady' now that a spot light is going to be shinning again on this family.

it said the kids would be with his mother..now she is in bad health right? so is all the siblings still close could one of them step in? I am sorry that women not a mother in my eyes has only wanted money not to be a parent..can his siblings not step in to help his mother and they have Nanny's also who I am sure they are close to..I guess at this point no one can answer my questions only if the bio mom comes out wanting them..

[Snoopy50]

but there wasn't ever any paternity test done.

Fallen, there was a DNA test done which proved:
Jackson was not the biological father of the Rowe children, and gave the race of the children.

[Mr. Moto2]

Did he have a history of heart problems? He definitely wasn't overweight. Could there be more to the story? It just seems weird that he dropped dead of a heart attack.

[GentleBreeze]

here goes the Sun doing what they do best :rolleyes:

REPORT: 'Collapsed after an injection of potent Demerol'...

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/bizarre/2501914/Michael-Jacksons-last-moments.html

So I wonder if Randy was the one that gave him the demerol, if this is true. Oh my!

I always felt since MJ was so active pushing himself for so long that he was probably racked in pain a lot of the time.

imo

[flipflop]

Michael's brother is doing a presser on tmz. He is having a hard time speaking. How incredibly sad. Its over now. Darn. I don't type fast enough.

[Tracian]

Fallen, there was a DNA test done which proved:
Jackson was not the biological father of the Rowe children, and gave the race of the children.

I seem to remember that also Snoopy...even 'blanket' was called into question in the same regard.

[4Life]

Fallen, there was a DNA test done which proved:
Jackson was not the biological father of the Rowe children, and gave the race of the children.

Link please. I do not recall any of this. TIA

[dinojen]

On Fox News, Geraldo's standing in for Sean Hannity (I wonder why! :wink:) and talking about Michael.

Turned it off soon as Geraldo showed up... switched to LKL...

[FallenAngel♥]

Randy Jackson is doing the PC.....on FOX

[VC2]

I remember quite well that Allred tried to get his children removed but there were NEVER any DNA tests produced. I specifically remember huge discussions on this - was never proven and they can't FORCE you to take a DNA test. Even during the custody battle Debbie Rowe never once said the children were not his - not that it matters. HE FED, LOVED, CARED, RAISED AND SUPPORTED HIS children.

This has been a matter of discussion FOR YEARS.

And I read every day of the actual court transcripts thanks to you Athena, you are absolutely correct!!!!!

imo

[KaraokeDiva]

Well I for one am saddened both by his death and what his life had turned into, I think their is alot that is going to come out now about his health over the years that I believe was keep secrete.

You said that well...and more tactfully than I ...

[FallenAngel♥]

Personal Physician was with Michael when it happen.........
is it just me or does something sound strange......

[Snoopy50]

I seem to remember that also Snoopy...even 'blanket' was called into question in the same regard.
You're right, BUT....Blanket was not part of the custody case, and CPS was not asked to intervene with him. At that time, no one seemed to know where Blanket came from, and Gloria Allred was Hell bent on finding out. I understand she finally did.....he was adopted from a single woman who allegedly contacted Jackson and asked him to adopt the baby. There has never been a lot of information on that situation so speculation is all we have.

[4Life]

Cher on LKL now
Said MJ liked Chers beaded socks

LK switching over soon to talk about Farrah with Cher

[FallenAngel♥]

Fallen, there was a DNA test done which proved:
Jackson was not the biological father of the Rowe children, and gave the race of the children.

wow i never heard about that...........

[dinojen]

LKL is doing a great show tonite..

Just stated that a statement from Elizabeth Taylor is not available at this time she is too devastated as the loss of her good friend.. soon as she is able to make one they will make it available.

Also... Larry is going to cover the loss of the beautiful and strong Farrah Fawcett tonite.

[Snoopy50]

I agree. There was DNA taken associated with the child molestation charges; not paternity. Nope, the DNA test had nothing to do with any of the molestation cases, it just happened at the same time.

[aproudmom]

I sneezed about 20 minutes ago did i miss the PC?

what they had one??I have it on LKL and have not seen anything..did say Liz can not make a state at this time she is to distraught

[LisaM22]

Well I for one am saddened both by his death and what his life had turned into, I think their is alot that is going to come out now about his health over the years that I believe was keep secrete.

nicely stated, your not alone in feeling this way :rose:

[FallenAngel♥]

-------------

With him when he died or when he went into cardiac arrest?

YEP thats what Randy said...........his PP was there at the house when he went into cardiac arrest and then Randy said they don't really know the cause of death until they do the autopsy.


In my gut i have a feeling there will be a tons of drugs in his system.

[FallenAngel♥]

what they had one??I have it on LKL and have not seen anything..did say Liz can not make a state at this time she is to distraught

Yep that's what he said about Liz...on FOX they just showed Randy Jackson and he talked for maybe a minute. I wonder if the hospital will do a PC tonight.

[nothingnew]

I sat through a few days of that trial since it was a couple miles from home, and an attorney friend was there just about every day. due to some evidence found, the DA got an order for a DNA test, I believe (forgive me but it's been a few years and my brain cell disappear faster these days) because Gloria Alred was working with CPS and trying to remove the kids. The DNA test results were released, and it proved the children were NOT his biologically and they WERE caucasion.

bolding by me
Were released to? I was coastal for that trial too (if you're talking about the Santa Maria/Santa Barbara one) and the only dna test ever written of was Michael's mouth swab. I know Google has nothing on these alleged tests that I can find.

[KaraokeDiva]

Personal Physician was with Michael when it happen.........
is it just me or does something sound strange......
I kinda think that sounds very Anna Nicole...but then she didn't have a personal physical with her when she passed, did she?

[KaraokeDiva]

<snipped>

In my gut i have a feeling there will be a tons of drugs in his system.Anyone who saw pajama day in court will understand your gut feeling...

[GentleBreeze]

:thumbsup:

I was just looking at recent photos of MJ and he looked very well in them. So sad.

imo

[sofiesmom]

Let me be the first to say I loved Michael Jackson. I am totally shocled by his death, it's almost unbelievable.

He was a magical entertainer from the age of 5.
Thriller sales are still unsurpassed.

His angelic voice will sing in God's choir now.

RIP Michael your millions of fans will never forget you.Oh, my gosh, oh, my gosh. I just got home. and heard this news, and I'm shocked, too. The first time I arrived home, it was
farrrah, which ai was semi prepared for. But I wasn't prepared for Michael at all. I don't know if he did the bad stuff that was alledged(sp). I strongly suspect that he did. I DO know that this morning at the health club, I stopped my workout to watch a Jackson video from the seventies (maybe late sixties). I was in awe of that boy's talent. I've called a couple of my loved ones about this and they have no appreciation of my appreciation of his talent and my sadness in his death. No matter what, we've lost a fantabulous performer.

I tend to think of his later years as sort of Anna Nicole-ish, but of course, I don't know. I think there will be an autopsy, and I bet somebody will be in trouble.

I don't even want to post this, because then it will make it real to me.

RIP, Michael.

[GentleBreeze]

Lou Ferrigno's wife Carla has confirmed to PEOPLE that the star of the 1970's TV hit The Incredible Hulk has been working as Michael Jackson's physical trainer in preparation for Jackson’s return to live performing in July. "Lou and Michael have known each other for a long time," says Carla. "Lou first trained Michael 15-years ago."

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20285910,00.html

Well MJ sure looked a lot better than he used to just a few years ago.

imo

[aproudmom]

Nope, the DNA test had nothing to do with any of the molestation cases, it just happened at the same time.

ok guess I am lost DNA? for what I was never much of a fan DNA to see if the kids were his? sorry alittle lost..

[Snoopy50]

bolding by me
Were released to? I was coastal for that trial too (if you're talking about the Santa Maria/Santa Barbara one) and the only dna test ever written of was Michael's mouth swab. I know Google has nothing on these alleged tests that I can find.
Report was released to the SB district Attorney's office and CPS. It was not released to the public, at least not that I know of.

[FallenAngel♥]

I kinda think that sounds very Anna Nicole...but then she didn't have a personal physical with her when she passed, did she?

no she had just left hours before Anna died. but she had two people babysitting her. What kind of adult has to have two people sit and watch her sleep.

in California do they release autopsy reports to the public?

[FallenAngel♥]

I think that link to the SUN article you posted is probably closer to the truth than we may give it credit for.

Yes ma'am i'm starting to believe that after i hear what Randy had to say.

[TaraCrazyHair]

i do hate to go off topic again but.......


Michael Jackson has Died


Always seems to come in threes for celebrities

Very sad

[Callie]

Does anyone remember about the father who doused his son with lighter fluid and torched him, scarring him badly? Michael paid for all that little boy's surgeries, which were numerous.

[Snoopy50]

no she had just left hours before Anna died. but she had two people babysitting her. What kind of adult has to have two people sit and watch her sleep.

in California do they release autopsy reports to the public? I am not sure, never went to look for one, but I will try to find out. so much stuff is now public record these days......

[FallenAngel♥]

Ok..........i want to go on record now and say i think we're are going to see a HUGE funeral.

I wonder if they will make a MJ graceland type of place to bury him.

[aproudmom]

ET seems pretty happy to have the last photo of him dead sorry but that is just what it is and it makes me a little sick...I DO NOT CALL IT REPORTING..bash on them not on NG and others..I am shocked LKL even showed it..all JMO

[callmetree]

If you care to reply, what is your favorite MJ song. You can have more than one. :biggrin:

my fav: Man In The Mirror
billy jean

[FallenAngel♥]

I am not sure, never went to look for one, but I will try to find out. so much stuff is now public record these days......

no no Snoopy don't worry about it hon...i was just wondering. I think they will make it public.

[nothingnew]

It WAs done during the trial. Honestly, I have tried to forget those days, our community was not pleased with all the publicity.

"Our" community was not pleased with the publicity? IF you are speaking of Santa Maria-Santa Barbara county then please don't speak for the "community". A LOT of the community was thrilled-the hotels were booked, restaurants were busy and there were all of those out of town dollars coming into the community pockets not to mention the chance to see Michael Jackson, American Icon in person. No offence because you do have some interesting posts on all of the different threads but in this case-please don't try to "represent" unless there is some community link that's out there.

[Snoopy50]

no no Snoopy don't worry about it hon...i was just wondering. I think they will make it public. I was just going to call our recorder's office in the morning and ask.

[FallenAngel♥]

They are moving MJ's body by helicopter to the coroners office right now.

[FallenAngel♥]

I was just going to call our recorder's office in the morning and ask.

will you send me a pm if you do?

Thank you :rose:

[FallenAngel♥]

Ok this is a first for me. i've never seen a body airlifted to the coroners office.

[aproudmom]

Ok..........i want to go on record now and say i think we're are going to see a HUGE funeral.

I wonder if they will make a MJ graceland type of place to bury him.

ITA with you Fallen I see a huge funeral

they are flying his body now to the coroner's office..

[dinojen]

LKL is showing a sheriff's helicopter transporting MJ's body to supposedly the coroner's office... It's landing somewhere.. hang on... yep it's landed at the coroner's office.. they took it by helicopter due to the crowds...

Wow watching them load his body into a ambulance is kind of surreal... after losing Farrah this morning..we knew that was happening.. who would of thought this would happen today...

[GentleBreeze]

You get the award tonight for the most understated post. Yes -- he hasn't looked good at all

I'm wondering if he was taking pain killers and working out vigorously -- perhaps both contributed to his cardiac arrest. Just a thought ... will wait for autopsy report so don't want to start any rumors. LOL

I don't know. I do believe that MJ was in a lot of pain. He still had his bad back so that had to be aggravated with his rigorous workout he was doing preparing for his tour.

And even though he was only 50 it had to be exhaustive and stressful to keep up such a high energy pace.

I watch him on tv now and I still cant believe he is gone.

imo

[FallenAngel♥]

WOW Fox is showing them take the remains off the helicopter :ohmy:

[sunstar]

Did he have a history of heart problems? He definitely wasn't overweight. Could there be more to the story? It just seems weird that he dropped dead of a heart attack.

A lot of things can cause heart failure, including anorexia, drug use (prescription and otherwise), stress, cardiac arrythmia, and so forth. It seems to me since he was under the care of a doctor, and the doctor was there at the house, that whatever he was being treated for couldn't have been the direct cause of death otherwise an autopsy could be bypassed. MOO

[sunstar]

WOW Fox is showing them take the remains off the helicopter :ohmy:

I'm watching! :sad:

[Snoopy50]

"Our" community was not pleased with the publicity? IF you are speaking of Santa Maria-Santa Barbara county then please don't speak for the "community". A LOT of the community was thrilled-the hotels were booked, restaurants were busy and there were all of those out of town dollars coming into the community pockets not to mention the chance to see Michael Jackson, American Icon in person. No offence because you do have some interesting posts on all of the different threads but in this case-please don't try to "represent" unless there is some community link that's out there.
I have to agree with you that financially speaking, that trial filled the /city coffers to the brim...and then some, but I am sorry, there is rarely more than a week that goes by, when someone around here makes a comment about what a circus that trial made of this town. It did, and I have no desire to offend you as i can see you are a fan. As for links, I suppose you could look up Santa Maria Times archives and read some of the comments at the bottom. I recall VERY few positive ones, but if my teeny brain cells are petering out again, I will apologize.

[FallenAngel♥]

I don't know. I do believe that MJ was in a lot of pain. He still had his bad back so that had to be aggravated with his rigorous workout he was doing preparing for his tour.

And even though he was only 50 it had to be exhaustive and stressful to keep up such a high energy pace.

I watch him on tv now and I still cant believe he is gone.

imo

truly and unbelievable day.
they said he practiced for many hours last night at the staple center so i bet his back was really hurting today.

[4Life]

I find it hard to believe that the media wouldn't have found out about any DNA tests that were done..........and if they had, we would ALL know about it. MOI was just thinking the same thing. The media would have been all over it

[Snoopy50]

will you send me a pm if you do?

Thank you :rose:

Yep, sure will. I sent you one a bit ago.

[GentleBreeze]

They are moving MJ's body by helicopter to the coroners office right now.

I feel so sad to know his body is in there.:sad:

imo

[FallenAngel♥]

Yep, sure will. I sent you one a bit ago.

i sent you one back :)

they just put him in the coroner van wrapped up in a white sheet.

i wonder why he wasn't in the zipper bag.

[Charms]

I feel so sad to know his body is in there.:sad:

imo


Me too, I'm all teary, I cried in the shower.
Can you imagine his funeral????

[aproudmom]

Ok this is a first for me. i've never seen a body airlifted to the coroners office.

I don't know if they could get it moved through the streets in a safe way they said fans has rushed the doors and sit off fire alarms at the hospital so I do not think it would have been safe to take him by van...IMO

[GentleBreeze]

truly and unbelievable day.
they said he practiced for many hours last night at the staple center so i bet his back was really hurting today.

I think he was in excruciating pain for many years but pushed himself beyond all limits. No doubt he had to have painkillers just to help him make it through it. I think it was very important to Michael that the world still knew he could be the best entertainer in the world.

imo

[FallenAngel♥]

I feel so sad to know his body is in there.:sad:

imo

I used to be a huge MJ fan but in the past 10 years i've given up on here but today i feel like i felt when i was 16 and i'm sitting here watching tv and listening to his music and i'm just sad for MJ and his family...mainly is children.

[Callie]

I just remember, Ed McMahon died too. Farrah, Ed, Michael.

Also David Carradine

[FallenAngel♥]

---------------

Already there r people saying this is a hoax.

ohhhhhhh gesh. unbelievable.

I did notice when they picked him up rigor had set in and he was so tiny.

[GentleBreeze]

Me too, I'm all teary, I cried in the shower.
Can you imagine his funeral????

It just seems strange. He is alone now and I think Michael was traumatized long ago and was afraid to be alone.

[kipswife]

I think he was in excruciating pain for many years but pushed himself beyond all limits. No doubt he had to have painkillers just to help him make it through it. I think it was very important to Michael that the world still knew he could be the best entertainer in the world.

imo

sorry....wayne newton has that title

[sunstar]

I'm not disputing what you say, but I understood his father found him on the floor............

Oh I believe he probably did find him that way, but maybe he hadn't been diagnosed with any heart condition or anything that would directly lead to his death. That would explain why the autopsy must be performed even though he was under a doctor's care. MOO

[Details]

A lot of things can cause heart failure, including anorexia, drug use (prescription and otherwise), stress, cardiac arrythmia, and so forth. It seems to me since he was under the care of a doctor, and the doctor was there at the house, that whatever he was being treated for couldn't have been the direct cause of death otherwise an autopsy could be bypassed. MOOI wonder - he's a celebrity, if he had one of those celebrity doctors that are more enablers and the like - the doctor could be the cause of death - giving him more painkillers than he should, for instance.

I could see that being a cause - I've had back pain, and I know MJ was a major perfectionist for his shows. Back pain is the worst, doesn't respond well to painkillers, which makes you want to take more.

[Snoopy50]

Have a good evening folks, I am off to Costco.

[FallenAngel♥]

My daughter just got home and I was telling her about the SUN article -- and she said oh mom - MJ's been hooked on demerol for years. Then she told me about this song which I don't recall ever having heard before:

http://www.allmichaeljackson.com/lyrics/morphine.html

you know i had forgot about that song. Yep i think your daughters 100% correct.

[FallenAngel♥]

Have a good evening folks, I am off to Costco.

have fun. talk to you tomorrow. ty for all the MJ info.

[dinojen]

My daughter just got home and I was telling her about the SUN article -- and she said oh mom - MJ's been hooked on demerol for years. Then she told me about this song which I don't recall ever having heard before:

http://www.allmichaeljackson.com/lyrics/morphine.html

Demerol is a nasty drug.. my father died of an overdose by his doctor of that drug.. I would never and I will never take it..

I say let's wait to see what the autopsy says before anyone deciding what caused his death.. JMHO

[ViennaGal]

Farrah and now Michael Jackson. Though I don't think highly of him I'm sorry for the suffering his children and family are going through.

I have come to believe, things like this really do come in threes.
so goes Ed from the Johnny Carson show. I feel horrible for his children and he's young but that's all I feel. I wonder what is Ryan O'Neil thinking now and I don't mean that to be mean. Hmmmmmmm............

[FallenAngel♥]

Demerol is a nasty drug.. my father died of an overdose by his doctor of that drug.. I would never and I will never take it..

I say let's wait to see what the autopsy says before anyone deciding what caused his death.. JMHO

that's exactly what Randy said.......
i hope the children will be ok......

[nothingnew]

I have to agree with you that financially speaking, that trial filled the /city coffers to the brim...and then some, but I am sorry, there is rarely more than a week that goes by, when someone around here makes a comment about what a circus that trial made of this town. It did, and I have no desire to offend you as i can see you are a fan. As for links, I suppose you could look up Santa Maria Times archives and read some of the comments at the bottom. I recall VERY few positive ones, but if my teeny brain cells are petering out again, I will apologize.

Mostly a fan of the Jackson 5 years but I always appreciated his talent and that is where most of my respect for Michael Jackson comes from, and how the man could dance-I can watch a great dancer for days. I was more offended to have someone "speak" for me-I lived in that county at the time and yep, it was a circus. The Santa Maria Times and their comment section can only give their opinions, not mine or any other member of the community. I'm now one county "up" and I would not even try to speak on behalf of the community because there's a lot of folks here and they all have their own opinions. I do remember the trial days and you have to realize that if some people didn't love a circus then circuses would no longer exist. just sayin. (I do remember the annoyance of going into town and traffic issues but other than that it was same old same old)

[jewel6]

on my news they said he had a long bout with anorexia. which i can see. yikes i dont know what to beleive! jmo!

[aproudmom]

I'm not disputing what you say, but I understood his father found him on the floor............

I also heard that very early on and now I have heard a employee called 911 and he was working on his tour at the time..so not sure we know just what he was doing..but a Dr on LKL said a Doctor was at his home last night for some reason...but also heard his father was there and someone tried to give him CPR but he was cold to the touch by the time EMT got there...so guess we will find out at some point..

[GentleBreeze]

sorry....wayne newton has that title

I like Wayne but he will never compare to Michael Jackson. The only ones they are comparing Jackson to are Elvis and Sinatra.

imo

[annalyzer]

On Monday a SYTYCD Michael Jackson special.

[kellabeck]

OK, crocodile. He didn't abuse kids. Found NOT GUILTY
False claims from money hungry people.

Then why didn't the "money hungry people" ever sue him? They never did. Strange behavior from the "money hungry."

And let's not forget that Michael Jackson paid millions to an earlier boy he molested.

His own witnesses talked about sleeping with Michael night after night after night. A whole string of little boys, same looks, same ages.

Yes, Jackson was talented but he was very destructive. To himself and to many others. At least now he can't molest any more little boys.

[GentleBreeze]

Have a good evening folks, I am off to Costco.

Night, Snoopy.

imo

[Mayasmimi]

I wonder - he's a celebrity, if he had one of those celebrity doctors that are more enablers and the like - the doctor could be the cause of death - giving him more painkillers than he should, for instance.

I could see that being a cause - I've had back pain, and I know MJ was a major perfectionist for his shows. Back pain is the worst, doesn't respond well to painkillers, which makes you want to take more.

Hi. The Jackson family attorney insinuated more than an hour ago that he knew this day was coming. He was crying on Nancy's show. Seems he really, really believes that drugs played a roll in MJs death.

This is so sad. All over the news they are playing Jackson 5 music, along with his music from the 80s. I prefer to remember him from those days. I feel for his family, more importantly his babies. So sorry for their loss.

[ViennaGal]

Then why didn't the "money hungry people" ever sue him? They never did. Strange behavior from the "money hungry."

And let's not forget that Michael Jackson paid millions to an earlier boy he molested.

His own witnesses talked about sleeping with Michael night after night after night. A whole string of little boys, same looks, same ages.

Yes, Jackson was talented but he was very destructive. To himself and to many others. At least now he can't molest any more little boys.

:thumbsup: and to think this will take the lime light from Farrah and beautiful woman on the inside as well. I can't imagine what her family must be feeling with her death showing as a ticker after MJ. Hmmm....

[Charms]

Hi. The Jackson family attorney insinuated more than an hour ago that he knew this day was coming. He was crying on Nancy's show. Seems he really, really believes that drugs played a roll in MJs death.

This is so sad. All over the news they are playing Jackson 5 music, along with his music from the 80s. I prefer to remember him from those days. I feel for his family, more importantly his babies. So sorry for their loss.



Yep. People think prescription drugs may have played a part.
But if he had health issues that would be expected, his heart just probably gave out.
Michael gave us 45 years of his talent. He can rest in peace now.

[GentleBreeze]

Alright, we will try this again. Please respect the fact that this man just died. Any slamming of his looks or insults that are uncalled for will result in no thread available. This is a discussion board for just that, discussion. We have received too many reports regarding this thread, and it will result in closing if keeps up. Abide by the TOS.

BUMP!

Just another friendly reminder of what the Moderator posted.

imo

[Amy S.]

Boy, I sure liked him when he was young. I do think that he had a tragic life and that many people, including his family, mistreated him and used him for his money.

There has been chatter as to whether there will be enough of the estate left to raise the kids. I was thinking, it is too bad that he didn't stay married to Lisa Marie, because she and Priscilla made Elvis' estate into a money maker.

The same should be true for MJ. He may be worth more, dead, than alive.

If we thought the battle for Anna Nicole's baby was vicious, just wait until Joe squares off against the mother of these children. MOO

[aproudmom]

that's exactly what Randy said.......
i hope the children will be ok......

I just now seen his PC guess it was taped..it will take awhile for all the test to come back I am sure..and I hope his kids are OK he did love them so much and will be very hard on them he seemed to be a very hands on father..from what I saw..I was not a huge fan but remember alot about him..and remember his announcement of his upcoming tour it was live streamed

[GentleBreeze]

Yep. People think prescription drugs may have played a part.
But if he had health issues that would be expected, his heart just probably gave out.
Michael gave us 45 years of his talent. He can rest in peace now.

That is just unbelievable. 50 years old and 45 years in entertainment.

[sunstar]

I wonder - he's a celebrity, if he had one of those celebrity doctors that are more enablers and the like - the doctor could be the cause of death - giving him more painkillers than he should, for instance.

I could see that being a cause - I've had back pain, and I know MJ was a major perfectionist for his shows. Back pain is the worst, doesn't respond well to painkillers, which makes you want to take more.

I know what you're saying. My mother suffered from back pain due to degenerative discs. I think the lawyer who was interviewed earlier was suggesting just what you've posted about too many painkillers or prescribed drugs.


FYI ~ Dr. Baden is on Greta's show right now. I just knew we'd see him tonight! :wink:

[dinojen]

Have Greta on now and had LKL on before this.. and on one of them.. it was said that Joe Jackson was in Las Vegas at the time of his death and upon notification he was ill he flew into LA from LV.. so.. what is it.. was Joe at the house or was he in Las Vegas.. :confused:

[4Life]

I'm not disputing what you say, but I understood his father found him on the floor............

His father was in Vegas at the time

[VC2]

Report was released to the SB district Attorney's office and CPS. It was not released to the public, at least not that I know of.

Then please provide a link. I KNOW it was not in the trial which you implied it was.

IMO

[GentleBreeze]

Have Greta on now and had LKL on before this.. and on one of them.. it was said that Joe Jackson was in Las Vegas at the time of his death and upon notification he was ill he flew into LA from LV.. so.. what is it.. was Joe at the house or was he in Las Vegas.. :confused:

I don't think his father was there. Doesn't his mom and dad live apart?

I heard he had a personal physician there.

I also read the Lou Faregno (sp) was MJ personal trainer.

imo