6/25 to 6/26 -- #2

[4Life]

Ok this is a first for me. i've never seen a body airlifted to the coroners office.

They said it would not be safe for them to drive his body thru the streets

[VC2]

Anyone who saw pajama day in court will understand your gut feeling...

"pajama day" was because he went to the hospital in his pajamas and the judge ordered him in immediately. Blame his attorney's for not getting him pants!

[Amy S.]

Maybe there is a will that states who the guardian of the children is and maybe it is the mother of the 2 oldest ones. That might be good.

I heard that they are close to their grandmother, but wouldn't she be 80 YOs?

[Charms]

They said it would not be safe for them to drive his body thru the streets



They are driving his body to the coroner from where ever the helicopter landed.

[ViennaGal]

Farrah's death was expected. Michael's was not.
Michael was a huge star for 45 years.
He was a genius according to those who know talent.

Yes you're right but Michael made his memory (for some that followed it) in his last few years. Yes he was awesomely talented and should have continued with it. Press has not been kind, in his death, I will respect that and keep my opinions to myself. I am not surprised by his death and anyone that has followed him since his trial is not. He has been in a public trial besides financial problems so it isn't unexpected to me. Sorry yes, he was at one time the Elvis of that era. The old Michael RIP, your talent will be missed. BTW, Billie Jean was my favorite song and always will be

[March2009]

I think that link to the SUN article you posted is probably closer to the truth than we may give it credit for.

I was thinking the same thing but people always want to automatically discredit the gossip sites when the truth is they usually get it right. JMO

[VC2]

You get the award tonight for the most understated post. Yes -- he hasn't looked good at all

I'm wondering if he was taking pain killers and working out vigorously -- perhaps both contributed to his cardiac arrest. Just a thought ... will wait for autopsy report so don't want to start any rumors. LOL

That is quite possible Athena. He had one heck of a schedule coming up in just 4 weeks and he was 50 years old without a history of great health the last few years. I had another thought when i heard lou ferrigno was "training" him physically. It is quite possible that they were trying to give him more stamina/strength through steroids. I have to be fair here tho and say perhaps the "Incredible Hulk" has colored my suspicion.

IMO

[aproudmom]

BUMP!

Just another friendly reminder of what the Moderator posted.

imo

what happened to CW did I miss something do we have a new Mod?:confused:

[mrsmcgoo]

Anderson Cooper doing 2 hr special. (paraphrasing) Death was sudden but not unexpected by some. Said what happened to Anna Nichole was nothing compared to what was going on in MJ's private life.


I take it by these comments that we will be hearing of drug abuse. I will be very shocked if the drugs somehow are not found to be the cause of death. I guess we will have to wait for more details to emerge.

JMO

[FallenAngel♥]

They said it would not be safe for them to drive his body thru the streets

ohh yes...no doubt. i'm glad they transferred the body the way they did. Would have probably taken hours if they would have went by street and probably would have got out of hand.

[aproudmom]

That is quite possible Athena. He had one heck of a schedule coming up in just 4 weeks and he was 50 years old without a history of great health the last few years. I had another thought when i heard lou ferrigno was "training" him physically. It is quite possible that they were trying to give him more stamina/strength through steroids. I have to be fair here tho and say perhaps the "Incredible Hulk" has colored my suspicion.

IMO

did he not just push his tour back a week

[Skippy]

Sorry for his kids and his family....

[4Life]

They are driving his body to the coroner from where ever the helicopter landed.

Yes but there were hundreds of people surrounding all the exits of the hospital, and hundreds on the sidewalks and other areas around the hospital

[warhorse46]

OK, crocodile. He didn't abuse kids. Found NOT GUILTY
False claims from money hungry people.

crocodiles= sharp teeth and snapping jaws. What a legacy



He was found guilty in civil courts tho. I think he was a musical genius with a sick twisted psyche who preyed upon prepubescent boys. The latter over shadows the former in my mind. He did leave the world a lot of very enjoyable music. My sympathy lies with his family.

[aproudmom]

CW is the Admin and has Mods.

lol ok thanks did never seen anyone post anything other than CW...THANK YA

[ViennaGal]

He was found guilty in civil courts tho. I think he was a musical genius with a sick twisted psyche who preyed upon prepubescent boys. The latter over shadows the former in my mind. He did leave the world a lot of very enjoyable music. My sympathy lies with his family.

:thumbsup: Thank you War for puttingi it the way I meant to.

[VC2]

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Smooth Criminal and the video was awesome.

I made a mistake on my favorite song of his, because i had forgotten it. As a young girl, my godparents gave me a single for my birthday. It was "Ben". Always loved it, still like rats because of it, and i really think for me that song embodies michael jackson even now. He says his song "childhood" was his most autobiographical one, but ben..sort of had that too..clearly not one he wrote, but a young boy and his rat..just the two of them. Almost like two outcasts (not as in thrown out but just ..not included, normal etc)

anyway i loved it when i got it, and i think i still have that song somewhere as a 45 single

eta...and "black and white", it really said so much about the change in culture at the time.

[GentleBreeze]

what happened to CW did I miss something do we have a new Mod?:confused:

This may be another one to help CW. I dont know but their title says "Moderator".:shrug:

[aproudmom]

Now that you mention it I remember DD. She was like one of those reporters who would hide in the bushes. She had an unhealthy, vengeful obsession with Michael.

I think that is why she was getting messages on her blackberry saying she killed him..meaning putting stress on him or what ever..do not think she killed him she is a reporter..not sure what all she did or said but really do not think anyone can text her saying she killed him..I am sure his hard life killed him in the end..many will have dirty hands

[4Life]

did he not just push his tour back a week

Yes he did. One of his reps talked about it on LKL

[VC2]

Ok this is a first for me. i've never seen a body airlifted to the coroners office.

This really is like when Elvis died. The reaction in the world, the anguish of fans and even the tears or sadness of those who were not fans but appreciated his talent.

wow. another hour and 20 mins of ac360 and then a 2 hour live larry king on cnn at midnight.

[March2009]

Me too, I'm all teary, I cried in the shower.
Can you imagine his funeral????

I mean no disrespect but why? My SO and I were discussing this earlier after we saw inconsolable fans on TV. I understand the whole fan thing but I just don't get how people become emotionally attached to someone they don't have a personal relationship with.

[aproudmom]

This may be another one to help CW. I dont know but their title says "Moderator".:shrug:

oh ok cool thanks just checking..and agree any neg comments should be a no no not tonight even though it happens all the time..was just a little confused thought we lost CW

[happy2bme]

I have always liked MJ. I grew up listening to Beat It, Billie Jean, etc.

RIP and god bless his children he left behind.

[Charms]

I was just thinking the same thing. Farrah was gorgeous, talented, and fought cancer. I've admired her since I was a child, and she's a classy lady.

Michael Jackson, I believe, was a child molester. I think he had a difficult childhood, and became self-destructive, and also dangerous to children. I think he also created his health problems, through unnecessary surgeries, and prescription drug abuse.

Farrrah was a class act, and died of a horrible disease. Yet the news media focuses on MJ because he was a freak. This is a disgrace!!!!:sad:

News media focuses on MJ because he was an Internationally loved and admired performer for 45 of his 50 years.
He was a musical genius, songwriter, dancer choreographer. His talent reached beyond the scope of anything we have known.
Out of respect for Farrah give her her props, but if you are a true fan I don't think you do her justice by insulting Michael.

[VC2]

I feel so sad to know his body is in there.:sad:

imo

GB do you remember you, myself (marramambaqueen), athena, jenny, pax, reddog, and oh so many others all fighting the good fight on the NG thread for a year? and the final verdict exactly as we called it for the reasons we did. I was never a fan but was furious at the trumped up charges (i have no idea what he did with other kids but for sure he did nothing with that kid imo)

its tragic we are back together again for this reason

[Postergeist]

I'm sure some of you heard the family spokesman Brian Oxman - that the family has been trying to take care of Michael Jackson but the people surrounding him were enablers re: prescription drugs. :(

I'd heard that on AC 360- (tried to quote the poster that mentioned it on the first thread and then noticed- huh, no quote button- then saw it was locked)

heard the news on NBC evening news and was shocked. But if RX were compromising his system (like ANS and Elvis) then it's not as shocking.



My condolences do go out to his children and to his family and friends.



(I'll read back to see if anyone knows who will raise his children if that's been addressed)

[aproudmom]

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Yep....just like when Elvis died.

what a sad day just now remembered a special on Farrah on NBC..we have lost 2 wonderful people today:sad:

[ViennaGal]

News media focuses on MJ because he was an Internationally loved and admired performer for 45 of his 50 years.
He was a musical genius, songwriter, dancer choreographer. His talent reached beyond the scope of anything we have known.
Out of respect for Farrah give her her props, but if you are a true fan I don't think you do her justice by insulting Michael.

This the last remark I will make. Michael had insulted HIMSELF for the last 10-15 years. I do believe his autopsy will show what choices he made. Sure there are excuses for his condition that he placed himself. Where's the family to protect his icon image and keep this from happening. If you are watching TV coverage you will see that is a for-front question. Nobody is insulting him, he did it on his own. I didn't see Farrah on trial for abusing her children (pardon me or anyone elses children). Did I miss it?

[GentleBreeze]

Oh well ...... I was bawling like a baby. My daughter, 23 (now home) had been staying with friends and as soon as she heard the news she called me to see if I was OK. I feel like I have lost a friend. I just think it's the compassion some feel for the life he had.

I don't think you have to know someone personally to have a deep emotionally response when they die.

I cried when Elvis died. I cried for a week it seems. Something about Elvis touched my heart besides his enormous talent. It was the loneliness I felt I saw in his eyes. A man who had everything but freedom. I see MJ must the same way. Another amazing talent yet a lonely fragile man unto himself.

I cry when I read about little babies or children being harmed or murdered even though I don't know them personally. God just gave me a soft heart I guess and I feel true despair and sadness for their losses.

imo

[True2Blues]

Then why didn't the "money hungry people" ever sue him? They never did. Strange behavior from the "money hungry."

And let's not forget that Michael Jackson paid millions to an earlier boy he molested.

His own witnesses talked about sleeping with Michael night after night after night. A whole string of little boys, same looks, same ages.

Yes, Jackson was talented but he was very destructive. To himself and to many others. At least now he can't molest any more little boys.

My sentiments exactly. I just hope those three children get thoroughly checked by competent Doctors and receive counseling.

[nothingnew]

I made a mistake on my favorite song of his, because i had forgotten it. As a young girl, my godparents gave me a single for my birthday. It was "Ben". Always loved it, still like rats because of it, and i really think for me that song embodies michael jackson even now. He says his song "childhood" was his most autobiographical one, but ben..sort of had that too..clearly not one he wrote, but a young boy and his rat..just the two of them. Almost like two outcasts (not as in thrown out but just ..not included, normal etc)

anyway i loved it when i got it, and i think i still have that song somewhere as a 45 single

eta...and "black and white", it really said so much about the change in culture at the time.

I remember the movie "Willard" and the song Ben, it was a love story type of thing with the "you and me against the world". Here's the video from youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSqo17o2a1w

[4Life]

I don't think you have to know someone personally to have a deep emotionally response when they die.

I cried when Elvis died. I cried for a week it seems. Something about Elvis touched my heart besides his enormous talent. It was the loneliness I felt I saw in his eyes. A man who had everything but freedom. I see MJ must the same way. Another amazing talent yet a lonely fragile man unto himself.

I cry when I read about little babies or children being harmed or murdered even though I don't know them personally. God just gave me a soft heart I guess and I feel true despair and sadness for their losses.

imo

You're right
I cried when Diana died

[VC2]

I like that Al Sharpton keeps reminding everyone that he was the one who started We are the World.

[Mamie]

I think that is why she was getting messages on her blackberry saying she killed him..meaning putting stress on him or what ever..do not think she killed him she is a reporter..not sure what all she did or said but really do not think anyone can text her saying she killed him..I am sure his hard life killed him in the end..many will have dirty hands

Atleast Nancy is giving good coverage on him----we get to hear his music again and see him dance.

Question, though, if you or anyone knows, what about his two oldest kids from Debbie Rowe----DD says they are not MJ's bio kids---is she right about that or about to get sued??

[aproudmom]

I don't think you have to know someone personally to have a deep emotionally response when they die.

I cried when Elvis died. I cried for a week it seems. Something about Elvis touched my heart besides his enormous talent. It was the loneliness I felt I saw in his eyes. A man who had everything but freedom. I see MJ must the same way. Another amazing talent yet a lonely fragile man unto himself.

I cry when I read about little babies or children being harmed or murdered even though I don't know them personally. God just gave me a soft heart I guess and I feel true despair and sadness for their losses.

imo

OK I know alot do not watch Nascar but when Dale E. died I cried non-stop for 3 days my family thought I was a nut I had never met him only watched him race then went into a eBay addiction buying everything I could..so I agree you do not have to know the person to cry and grieve I will never forget the last lap of the Daytona 500 in 2001..he was not Elvis or MJ but I was a huge fan...we all have hearts

[happy2bme]

what a sad day just now remembered a special on Farrah on NBC..we have lost 2 wonderful people today:sad:

A sad day it is. We have also lost another innocent child. RIP

[ViennaGal]

G'nite before I say things i'll be sorry for, but lastly, but did I miss the show when Michael did a documentary on his addiction to pain pills and young boys. If I did I'm certainly glad I did. There is no comparison between the two people and nobody is screaming about press.
A dear friend gave me the strength to feel empathy for MJ's passing. It amounted to the fact that God loved him regardless of what we think and for that reason we should also. If MJ were the last man left on earth and Jesus went to the cross, he would have given his life for MJ's and forgiven all sin. So with that said, I will be able to sleep tonight knowing I can look at his death with some respect. Some of us have the opinion as posted above and need to think about the analysis of a priest's student gave me when I asked for help in finding the empathy in my heart.

[GentleBreeze]

GB do you remember you, myself (marramambaqueen), athena, jenny, pax, reddog, and oh so many others all fighting the good fight on the NG thread for a year? and the final verdict exactly as we called it for the reasons we did. I was never a fan but was furious at the trumped up charges (i have no idea what he did with other kids but for sure he did nothing with that kid imo)

its tragic we are back together again for this reason

Do I ever. That was one case that I did totally different than the countless others. I took all the emotion out of it and strictly looked at the evidence presented and voiced my opinion that the jury would not find MJ guilty with the evidence entered at trial. Almost cost me my head.:scared: lol

I don't know what MJ has done or not done. I do think most people don't understand him. I always sensed him wanting to be around children all the time was his refusal to grow up. He was still climbing trees and playing games in his 40s. This was the life he did not have growing up since he worked hard from the age of 5.

I am just sad that he never got to do his tour. All of the shows were sold out already. They all awaited for the one and only MJ to appear bigger than life. I am sorry for all his fans that they will never get to see that come true now.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

OK I know alot do not watch Nascar but when Dale E. died I cried non-stop for 3 days my family thought I was a nut I had never met him only watched him race then went into a eBay addiction buying everything I could..so I agree you do not have to know the person to cry and grieve I will never forget the last lap of the Daytona 500 in 2001..he was not Elvis or MJ but I was a huge fan...we all have hearts

I don't watch races much but my heart broke when I saw his car knowing he was dead inside.

I guess I am just a softy. All I could think of is how his fans must have felt and his family as that car came to a stop. It was bad and they all knew it was bad.

imo

[sunstar]

A sad day it is. We have also lost another innocent child. RIP

Thank you so much for the clue to go over to Jada's. :crying:

[VC2]

sorry....wayne newton has that title

:laugh::scared: omg .. i was going to say who was that, then i remembered a dark haired version of barry manilow :laugh:

[Mayasmimi]

I'm sure some of you heard the family spokesman Brian Oxman - that the family has been trying to take care of Michael Jackson but the people surrounding him were enablers re: prescription drugs. :(


I think he's actually the family attorney. I was shocked when I heard him on Nancy's show tonight. He has to know what was going on and made no bones about that this evening. I couldn't believe he was throwing so much out there.

[Callie]

Then why didn't the "money hungry people" ever sue him? They never did. Strange behavior from the "money hungry."

And let's not forget that Michael Jackson paid millions to an earlier boy he molested.

His own witnesses talked about sleeping with Michael night after night after night. A whole string of little boys, same looks, same ages.

Yes, Jackson was talented but he was very destructive. To himself and to many others. At least now he can't molest any more little boys.

Why didn't the "money hungry people" ever sue him? Didn't have a case once he was found NOT GUILTY.

Yeah, and 'the earlier boy's dad took the money' What a dad!
I don't think they had a case either. Blackmail, pure and simple.

[drip~drop1]

Personal Physician was with Michael when it happen.........
is it just me or does something sound strange......

I've read his body was cold to touch when the medics got there.
That means he was down for a while.
Maybe enough time to clean up a bit? iykwim.
it's jmo that could have happened.

whata day!:ohmy:

[VC2]

I'm sure some of you heard the family spokesman Brian Oxman - that the family has been trying to take care of Michael Jackson but the people surrounding him were enablers re: prescription drugs. :(

athena.. remember oxman kept mouthing off and was regularly wrong? In fact he was fired from the defense team for a lot of his statements.

I listened to Toobin (whom i normally don't like) but i had to agree when eh said at the trial time, MJ had a great defense team of honorable people who cared for him, but the number of hanger ons, spokesmen for him and some attorney's were a shady crew and appalling. I have to agree.

Just reported that apparently MJ said he was feeling sick last night (as per his uncle who called his current manager to find out if it was true and was told it was), his doctor was called but not taken to the hospital. Today of course we know he collapsed while the doctor was there.,

[Mamie]

Just found this:

If the biological mothers or Jackson’s family don’t immediately come to take care of the children there’s always their godparents. Mark Lester (the star of Oliver), the godfather of one or two of the children, told MSNBC that he is ready to fulfill his godfatherly duties saying “I’m here for them 24/7, so whatever they need, they’ll get from me.” Also it is reported that Elizabeth Taylor and Macaulay Culkin are godparents to the older children as well. And Michael Jackson just happens to be the godfather to celebrity Nicole Ritchie and to Barry Gibb’s son Michael.

http://www.babble.com.au/2009/06/26/what-will-happen-to-michael-jackson%E2%80%99s-kids/


Asking this again----------are the two kids with Debbie Rowe, MJ's bio children?? Do you know or does anyone here know? TIA

[Mr. Moto2]

He was found guilty in civil courts tho. I think he was a musical genius with a sick twisted psyche who preyed upon prepubescent boys. The latter over shadows the former in my mind. He did leave the world a lot of very enjoyable music. My sympathy lies with his family.

I don't think there were any civil court trials.

[Callie]

He was a twisted child molester, and it sickens me how he's being celebrated in death!:thumbdown:



And you know this because you were there. :glare:

[Mayasmimi]

I think in cases like this, we cry for our own lost youth. : (

When I was in middle school, there were the Michael Jackson fans, the Donny Osmond Fans, and my crowd, the David Cassidy fans.

All three were really a part of my girlhood. With the passing of Michael Jackson, a piece of me goes too.

And I think Thriller is about the most thrilling thing I've ever seen. ;D

Godspeed, Michael Jackson. You were loved by many.

Awe....Rachel. Well said. For me Donny Osmond and Michael Jackson. Thriller was the best. I still have that cassette tape. Was maybe 20 when it came out. Dang....cannot find a cassette player.

For whatever it's worth...IMO....Michael Jackson is the greatest performer of our time. Imagine that. I cannot remember the last time he performed. Changed to music world, for sure. So many artists have him to thank for opening doors for them.

Was always on the fence with regard to the pedophile accusations. I don't know.

So sad....a piece of my childhood died with him.

RIP.

[Mimi428]

Asking this again----------are the two kids with Debbie Rowe, MJ's bio children?? Do you know or does anyone here know? TIA

This link has a recent picture -

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1195641/What-children-Michael-Jackson-leaves-behind.html

There is no way in this world that I can believe he was the bio father of the two oldest children. And I am doubtful of the 3rd.

Not saying he didn't love them, not saying he didn't raise them, etc. Just referring to the biology.

[Callie]

Michael was railoaded by an overzealous sheriff and he was acquitted because there was no case.
MacCauley Calkin said the charges were ridiculous as anyone could tell.
May he RIP.

[SNIP]



:thumbsup::beer:

[dinojen]

Asking this again----------are the two kids with Debbie Rowe, MJ's bio children?? Do you know or does anyone here know? TIA

And what is the difference if they are his biological children or not...:confused:

They are 7, 11 and 12 I believe.. they are his children.. whether it be by DNA or responsibility..

What is the point of this desire to know the children's dna tonite.. they the children lost their FATHER today.. the only one it should matter to is those three children... not the media.. not the public.. JMO

[Mamie]

I am giving you an honest answer. I don't know however IMO they ARE his children -- as he raised, cared, supported and loved them. Didn't matter to me.


Thanks for answering - (and you two mom in your response to me). Athena, I know what you're saying, I'm adopted and so are my other two sisters and one brother----I get that, but I just don't like someone saying something that isn't true. I think if Debbie Rowe had been impregnated or AI'd by someone other than MJ, as mad as she's been at him, she'd have let that cat out of the bag by now, maybe? JMO

[Mayasmimi]

Michael Jackson has a combination of more than a billion hits on YouTube, and has the best selling album ever - Thriller.

Wayne Newton is good for a Vegas show, that's true.

They aren't comparable.

Nope. No comparison.

[aproudmom]

OMG I see a fight going on did not know all this..so could DR end up with custody even though there was a agreement I did not know the kids were this old gosh I remember when the 2 were little baby's

Michael Jackson's kids to be in his mother's custody?

As the world comes to grips with the news that Michael Jackson, 50, passed away this afternoon, many are starting to wonder what will happen to his three children. Radar is reporting that Prince Michael, 12, Paris, 11, and Prince Michael II (Blanket), 7, will be with his mother who will have custody. Other sources are saying that it's possible Debbie Rowe will have temporary custody as arrangements are sorted out.


Prince Michael and Paris are the children of Debbie Rowe, who later waived her parental rights over to Jackson during their divorce. She later asked for her rights to be re-instated. An agreement between Jackson and Rowe was reached in which he retained custody.

Jackson maintains that all of his children are biologically his, although it was revealed on MSNBC television coverage that Prince Michael and Paris are not his biological children. Blanket, however, was carried by a surrogate mother and allegedly Jackson's sperm was used.

http://www.examiner.com/x-15228-Celebrity-Kids-Examiners~y2009m6d25-Michael-Jacksons-kids-to-be-in-his-mothers-custody

[Snoopy50]

Then please provide a link. I KNOW it was not in the trial which you implied it was.

IMO

NO, I did NOT imply any such thing. If you read my posts, the TIMING was the same, the report was not used in the trial, it was used in the custody case with Debbie Rowe. That is what I said, nothing more, nothing less.

[Callie]

He was found guilty in civil courts tho. I think he was a musical genius with a sick twisted psyche who preyed upon prepubescent boys. The latter over shadows the former in my mind. He did leave the world a lot of very enjoyable music. My sympathy lies with his family.

Well, I never heard that and I still don't believe he did those things and you know me as a 'hang em' high' person.

[Mamie]

This link has a recent picture -

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1195641/What-children-Michael-Jackson-leaves-behind.html

There is no way in this world that I can believe he was the bio father of the two oldest children. And I am doubtful of the 3rd.

Not saying he didn't love them, not saying he didn't raise them, etc. Just referring to the biology.

You just might have something there, Mimi, judging by how the picture looks of them. Thanks dear, for the pic!

[Callie]

It's NOT NORMAL to share your bed with prepubescent boys as a grown man! :scared:

Well, I went camping with my kids and some of their friends, we sleeped in the same tent under the same covers. Are you going to say I'm not normal?

[VC2]

Do I ever. That was one case that I did totally different than the countless others. I took all the emotion out of it and strictly looked at the evidence presented and voiced my opinion that the jury would not find MJ guilty with the evidence entered at trial. Almost cost me my head.:scared: lol

I don't know what MJ has done or not done. I do think most people don't understand him. I always sensed him wanting to be around children all the time was his refusal to grow up. He was still climbing trees and playing games in his 40s. This was the life he did not have growing up since he worked hard from the age of 5.

I am just sad that he never got to do his tour. All of the shows were sold out already. They all awaited for the one and only MJ to appear bigger than life. I am sorry for all his fans that they will never get to see that come true now.

imo

GB that is why we don't agree often in cases now :P I still look at them analytically and you put emotion in them, but this one time we went by the facts, only the facts and agreed whole heartedly.

i am heartbroken and i really didn't expect to be...does that make sense? Perhaps because i never was a fan of his but spent so much time fighting for him on the boards.

[Mr. Moto2]

Last photo

http://www.etonline.com/media/photo/2009/06/98268/400_mjackson_ambulance_newgraphic_090625.jpg

[mrsmcgoo]

Michael was railoaded by an overzealous sheriff and he was acquitted because there was no case.
MacCauley Calkin said the charges were ridiculous as anyone could tell.
May he RIP.

Farrah was sued by Aaron Spelling for violating her contract and leaving Charlies Angels after she became somewhat famous
May she RIP.

This is were the celebrity aspect clouds our best judgement.

If we were not comparing celebrities, 99% of the posters on this board would be screaming from the rafters that violating a contract is nothing compared to the effects of child molestation.

I feel sad of Farrah's family that today her gracious life and death is side lined by Jackson's.

Just my very honest opinion.

[drip~drop1]

This link has a recent picture -

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1195641/What-children-Michael-Jackson-leaves-behind.html

There is no way in this world that I can believe he was the bio father of the two oldest children. And I am doubtful of the 3rd.

Not saying he didn't love them, not saying he didn't raise them, etc. Just referring to the biology.

imo, probably not bio...but he was daddy and they are now without daddy, trust me, it stinks and they'll be hurting no matter the dna.
moo

[GentleBreeze]

I am giving you an honest answer. I don't know however IMO they ARE his children -- as he raised, cared, supported and loved them. Didn't matter to me.

On one of the shows tonight an attorney said Rowe relinquished all rights to these children so she will not be getting custody of them. As far as I am concerned she sold them to MJ for the bucks.

They also said if MJ has a Will and names someone to care for the children that the court will take that into account and it will weigh heavily. I would think he has listed his mother and possibly the nanny who has been with them all of their lives.

Blood in the veins does not make a father......it is what is in their heart and I think MJ loved his children with all of his heart.

imo

[aproudmom]

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Thursday, June 4th 2009
the 2 kids with no mask on I don't know I can not tell if they are his this is the first I have even seen them with out mask on.....so I don't know how DD would know if they are his bio children..He is the only parent father they have ever known so no matter what they are his children blood or not...

[Callie]

I can't believe you have such hate for a man who gave the world so much joy.
The charges were fraudulent, which part of this don't you understand?

You said it, babe!:thumbsup:

[nothingnew]

Michael Jackson has a combination of more than a billion hits on YouTube, and has the best selling album ever - Thriller.

Wayne Newton is good for a Vegas show, that's true.

They aren't comparable.

Wayne Newton's actual "title" is "Mr Las Vegas", so yeah, no comparison although he is a great entertainer as well.

[Mayasmimi]

imo, probably not bio...but he was daddy and they are now without daddy, trust me, it stinks and they'll be hurting no matter the dna.
moo


Hey doll. Well said. I agree. So miss my Dad. Cannot imagine what those babies must be feeling. I certainly hope his family will keep them safe.

[VC2]

i also have to say that i don't think MJ ever molested any child, i believe that inside my tummy (there was a book once, cant remember the title about a little girl who when asked where god was always answered "inside my tummy", iirc it was a r/l book about a child who died ..i keep thinking the name was annie)

He was only comfortable around children, he truly was a big child himself emotionally. Branfman (his lawyer for a few months) just described on cnn how after they met and he described the process and everything and how long it would take, michael burst into tears and threw himself in his arms like a 10 year old sobbing hysterically. Just like a child would and that he felt his bones in his back. He told Mark Geragos that he felt they could win the case but he was not sure that MJ would live through it.

I absolutely believe he had sleep overs with kids, just like most kids love sleep overs until he was finally convinced it was not ok because of his age and the perception. (not bc he did something wrong). MacCauley Culkin described them and i believed him and still do.

ok im babbling

[VC2]

I think in cases like this, we cry for our own lost youth. : (

When I was in middle school, there were the Michael Jackson fans, the Donny Osmond Fans, and my crowd, the David Cassidy fans.

All three were really a part of my girlhood. With the passing of Michael Jackson, a piece of me goes too.

And I think Thriller is about the most thrilling thing I've ever seen. ;D

Godspeed, Michael Jackson. You were loved by many.

OMG david cassidy! my room was plastered with posters of him. whatever is he doing now?

[nothingnew]

And what is the difference if they are his biological children or not...:confused:

They are 7, 11 and 12 I believe.. they are his children.. whether it be by DNA or responsibility..

What is the point of this desire to know the children's dna tonite.. they the children lost their FATHER today.. the only one it should matter to is those three children... not the media.. not the public.. JMO

Not only their FATHER but their only true PARENT. I keep hearing of the nanny so I hope it's arranged that she will stay in their life.

[dinojen]

Watching all the shows on HLN - it seems that the "time of death" is in question. On NG, it was reported that MJ was in distress very early in the morning. Joe and other people could not revive him - but EMS was called perhaps hours later. Report said that when EMS arrived MJ was laready "cold". So apparently the reports that MJ died in the hospital are incorrect.

This will be an ongoing issue. Perhaps solved with the autopsy. Not surprising, the mis-reports will be in the news for awhile.


Joe was not there.. he is reportedly flying to LA from Las Vegas after being told of the situtation... so who is telling the truth...:confused:

His mother and LaToya got to the hospital after he was pronounced deceased.. where was Joe.. IN LAS VEGAS...

[Mayasmimi]

Watching all the shows on HLN - it seems that the "time of death" is in question. On NG, it was reported that MJ was in distress very early in the morning. Joe and other people could not revive him - but EMS was called perhaps hours later. Report said that when EMS arrived MJ was laready "cold". So apparently the reports that MJ died in the hospital are incorrect.

This will be an ongoing issue. Perhaps solved with the autopsy. Not surprising, the mis-reports will be in the news for awhile.

Exactly. Was Joe there, or not? Was his personal Dr. there, or not? If rigormortise had already set in, why the reports that the hospital continued efforts to revive him?

Really doesn't matter. Just so very sad.

[VC2]

And what is the difference if they are his biological children or not...:confused:

They are 7, 11 and 12 I believe.. they are his children.. whether it be by DNA or responsibility..

What is the point of this desire to know the children's dna tonite.. they the children lost their FATHER today.. the only one it should matter to is those three children... not the media.. not the public.. JMO

BRAVO!!!!!!!!! :thumbsup:

[4Life]

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Thursday, June 4th 2009
the 2 kids with no mask on I don't know I can not tell if they are his this is the first I have even seen them with out mask on.....so I don't know how DD would know if they are his bio children..He is the only parent father they have ever known so no matter what they are his children blood or not...

http://cm1.theinsider.com/media/0/76/31/princeparisblanket.0.0.0x0.682x400.jpeg

[Postergeist]

Just found this:

If the biological mothers or Jackson’s family don’t immediately come to take care of the children there’s always their godparents. Mark Lester (the star of Oliver), the godfather of one or two of the children, told MSNBC that he is ready to fulfill his godfatherly duties saying “I’m here for them 24/7, so whatever they need, they’ll get from me.” Also it is reported that Elizabeth Taylor and Macaulay Culkin are godparents to the older children as well. And Michael Jackson just happens to be the godfather to celebrity Nicole Ritchie and to Barry Gibb’s son Michael.

http://www.babble.com.au/2009/06/26/what-will-happen-to-michael-jackson%E2%80%99s-kids/


thank you Athena for this info!

I'm always saddened for the children when their parent passes, no matter what the opinion is held of the adult- it's sad for those like Lisa Marie Presley, Frances Bean Cobain, Matilda Rose Ledger, Princes William and Harry, Dannielynn Birkhead and now Redmond O' Neal and Michael's three children.

I noticed that his brother Randy mentioned "Allah" at his pc...I know they were raised Jehovah's Witness and figured I'd hear "Yaweh"- maybe he or Michael changed faiths. ??

Someone posted where he might be buried and would they do it like Graceland- I'd think if it's allowed, he'd likely be buried at Neverland Ranch (if there will be a burial, that is)

[Mayasmimi]

OMG david cassidy! my room was plastered with posters of him. whatever is he doing now?


Funny you ask. When I was still in Atlanta a radio show host interviewed him. He is so flipping full of himself. Procalimed that he was more famous that The Beatles. Yeah...right.

Look for him to speak up soon.:confused:

[Mamie]

Awe....Rachel. Well said. For me Donny Osmond and Michael Jackson. Thriller was the best. I still have that cassette tape. Was maybe 20 when it came out. Dang....cannot find a cassette player.

For whatever it's worth...IMO....Michael Jackson is the greatest performer of our time. Imagine that. I cannot remember the last time he performed. Changed to music world, for sure. So many artists have him to thank for opening doors for them.

Was always on the fence with regard to the pedophile accusations. I don't know.

So sad....a piece of my childhood died with him.

RIP.


I so agree with your whole post here. I, too, was on the fence about the charges.

I'm much older than you but I have his tapes too, and love them dearly. (I still have my cassette player---lol).

[Mimi428]

Sorry but this unnerves me to no end. I don't know if he is the bio father but as a mother of a mixed child who happens to look white and a daughter who is darker -- you cannot even imagine ........... I get so tired of people asking me if my daughter is my child or if my son is my husband's. Debbie Rowe IS very, very fair. It has been posted here by a person some consider credible that he may not be but you CANNOT tell from a picture. Have you seen Tito's children - whose mother is Mexican? They don't look like Tito either. I also don't think PO looks like his father :shrug:

Forget their skin color & look at the bone structure on their faces, most specifically around their cheekbones, across their eyes/forehead. MJ & most of his siblings (that I can recall) share their mother's striking cheekbones. I have never seen any picture of MJ's children that resembles any picture of MJ, his siblings, his nieces, nephews, parents, etc. & skin tone/color has nothing to do with it.

[Mr. Moto2]

Funny you ask. When I was still in Atlanta a radio show host interviewed him. He is so flipping full of himself. Procalimed that he was more famous that The Beatles. Yeah...right.

Look for him to speak up soon.:confused:

More famous than the Beatles? Was this a recent interview? Maybe he was just kidding around, like Danny Bonaduce does.

[drip~drop1]

Hey doll. Well said. I agree. So miss my Dad. Cannot imagine what those babies must be feeling. I certainly hope his family will keep them safe.

Hi mimi. :)
i'm sorry, i know....me too.
Wish I didn't know how they feel.
The kids need stability and to be with people they know, love and trust.
:wub:

[Mayasmimi]

I so agree with your whole post here. I, too, was on the fence about the charges.

I'm much older than you but I have his tapes too, and love them dearly. (I still have my cassette player---lol).


Awe. So sweet. So can you slide Thriller in and broadcast for us?

[GentleBreeze]

Forget their skin color & look at the bone structure on their faces, most specifically around their cheekbones, across their eyes/forehead. MJ & most of his siblings (that I can recall) share their mother's striking cheekbones. I have never seen any picture of MJ's children that resembles any picture of MJ, his siblings, his nieces, nephews, parents, etc. & skin tone/color has nothing to do with it.

They sure dont favor their bio mother.

imo

[Mayasmimi]

More famous than the Beatles? Was this a recent interview? Maybe he was just kidding around, like Danny Bonaduce does.

Nah. He was all serious. Have never been a fan. Was late 90's. Star94. Atlanta. I remember the shock...to this day. What a diva.

[mrsmcgoo]

Alot of us believe that MJ either paid his victims off, or got lucky at his trials. Because he died, our opinions don't change. I wouldn't change my opinion of OJ Simpson either if he passed away. Being that this is primarily a crime discussion board and not a celebrity fan board, we do have strong opinions of trials.

JMO

[Mamie]

Thank you for elaborating on your response. It gets kind of frustrating defending something that doesn't require defending so your question may have just been of curiosity while others were not. Hope you understand a little better why you got that response.

And thank you for responding to my elaboration. No, I don't understand a little better why I got that response-----it was uncalled for, in my opinion. If that poster had read my earlier question just a few posts prior, they would have picked up on the fact of why I wanted to know because I said in that response that DD had said they were not his DNA and I wondered whether it was true or she was going to get sued. Thanks Athena!

[nothingnew]

Funny you ask. When I was still in Atlanta a radio show host interviewed him. He is so flipping full of himself. Procalimed that he was more famous that The Beatles. Yeah...right.

Look for him to speak up soon.:confused:

Ummm.....that was a joke. A "spoof" of John Lennon when he said the Beatles were bigger than Jesus. A sense of humor-something they had in common. LOL.

[Mamie]

Awe. So sweet. So can you slide Thriller in and broadcast for us?

LOL. I'd love to, darlin' but I'm not that mechanically inclined!

[4Life]

Anderson Cooper said Janet Jackson was somewhere (didn't know where) in a pre-production of a movie and is enroute to California - so she wasn't there either - she is devastated. :(

Heard on my news station that Diana Ross is devastated also

[AnniePie]

If you have such disdain for him then why are your here.. many places to start a thread to post your beliefs on how you choose to remember him.. just a suggestion.. This one is for a human being that just passed away.. JMHO

I completely and unequivocally agree with your post, dinojen.

[Postergeist]

I'm not sure if MJ changed his religion but I do know that Jermaine is Muslim.

Hmm - just found this:

Update, Nov. 21, 2008: Michael Jackson confirms conversion to Islam

http://www.religionnewsblog.com/17555/michael-jackson-islam

thanks again Athena- before I read this just saw a friend of MJ's on FOX (could be a repeat of earlier) say that Michael was very spiritual and mentioned something about he knew the Scriptures (now, when I hear scriptures, I automatically think of the Judeo-Christian based Bible) but maybe the Koran is referred to that as well.

It's likely the family may choose to televise his memorial service like they did for James Brown, Coretta Scott King, ANS, etc.

IMO I hope the children receive grief counseling- likely the family will all be in so much shock they won't be able to fully focus on the devastation the children will be experiencing.

[DebinNv]

I am truly sorry for Michael Jackson's family and friends. I will not judge him for what he did in his life or didn't do.

RIP Michael.

[aproudmom]

This is what I will remember the most about MJ I read Ryan's mothers book and the horrible things this family went through here in Indiana and when MJ brought some joy to this family and then went on to write and attend his funeral meant alot to the people of Indiana who will never forget how a young boy with a horrible disease was treated thank god these days people are educated about AIDS and at the end he says goodbye Ryan we miss you so much well now Ryan will have his hero up there with him...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=101iXwPTNE0&feature=related
RIP MJ and thank you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjExllie9Fg

[VC2]

My daughter just got home and I was telling her about the SUN article -- and she said oh mom - MJ's been hooked on demerol for years. Then she told me about this song which I don't recall ever having heard before:

http://www.allmichaeljackson.com/lyrics/morphine.html

Oh i believe that he could have been hooked on pain killers bc it seems obvious to me that he has had major pain for years. Yet demorol is a weird one. I will be honest here, i abused drugs as a teen, barbituates and narcotics - my favorite was darvon, and my adolescent psychiatrist warned me at discharge that i would always have a resistance to both. He was absolutely correct. But bc of my history i have always got to be very careful as there are good reason for me to have tranquilizers prescribed and also pain killers at times. if its something like a tylenol 3 or oxycontin they just don't work well and i always want more anyway mentally but get mad bc they dont kill the pain, yet demerol is just weird.

I find i can be on it for 2 months and have no need to take it beyond when i need it. at first it was every 4 hours (tore a knee ligament) and then i would not remember it for 6 then 12 hours then only once in a while or on a day when i had walked a lot.

I am also prone to teeth abcesses and now they automatically prescribe demerol for it because 1. it works and i find oxycontin does not, and 2. i have never felt the need to take more than for pain.

Morphine i can understand but demerol, i dunno..if you have real pain it seems to work without being addictive and that is from someone who has an addictive personality and always has to watch myself.

I have been given all of the narcotics and found demerol the most effective but the least likely to cause addiction even if it does give the warm and fuzzies when in pain. Then again my doctor calls me a zebra instead of a horse :D

[Mamie]

Excuse me.. I don't need a aspirin.. I also am adopted.. brought home from the hospital a few days after I was born and was gifted with the best parents a child could ask for.

Personally I don't give a rats behind whose dna those children have.. they know him as their dad.. they know he loves them.. I just think now is not the time to question the dna of his children.

Michael I don't believe felt the love a normal child feels in their childhood from their parents.. and he strived his whole life to know the feeling that he should of felt when he was a young boy.. He led a strange life.. always looking for something that was missing that should of been there like many of us had when we were very young.

Such a talented man.. it's a waste.. and I'm sure his children will miss him.. I am very leery about those kids growing up in the hands of the Jackson family ... I don't know. I know Michael adored his mother.. but.. I just want the best for these kids..

See, we're all on this board to learn things. How do we learn?? By questioning. You have different questions than I have, obviously. I am asking a question that I would like to know the answer to and you are asking me a question of why do I want to know. It doesn't matter what question I have. It doesn't matter what night I ask the question. It doesn't matter to me what question you have. We all post on this board our opinions and questions----and answers (even if we don't have them) that's what the board is for. I felt your first response to my post was uncalled for and still feel that way. If you are a bit "touchy" this evening, it's understood. JMO

[warhorse46]

Well, I never heard that and I still don't believe he did those things and you know me as a 'hang em' high' person.


Type in Jordan Chandler & Michael Jackson. You will find that in 1994 Jackson paid the Chandler family 22 million dollars to settle a child molestation civil suit.

[FallenAngel♥]

does everyone in the Jackson family live in LA because now that i think of it they all sure get to the hospital fast today.

[warhorse46]

Michael was railoaded by an overzealous sheriff and he was acquitted because there was no case.
MacCauley Calkin said the charges were ridiculous as anyone could tell.
May he RIP.

Farrah was sued by Aaron Spelling for violating her contract and leaving Charlies Angels after she became somewhat famous
May she RIP.


There is a million miles worth of difference between a breach of contract civil suit (which Jackson has had several brought against him) & child molestation civil suits.

[summer4meplz]

I can't believe your judgement. A grown man shares his bed with other people sons, and gives them alcohol. :scared: This is okay? If MJ wasn't a celebrity, most people would NEVER excuse this kind of behavior!

He was found "not guilty". That doesn't mean he's innocent.

this just doesn't seem the appropriate time or place to rehash old news...imo

personally, I am shocked and saddened by the news of his passing....evidently he never had a normal day in his life....he seemed emotionally forever 8 years old....a very complicated complex screwed up man that has left 3 children ......I wonder who will take them...his parents, beside being too old, didn't do a great job raising him.....one of his siblings would probably be best since the bio moms, sold their rights......what a tragic story for so many people....

[VC2]

Demerol is a nasty drug.. my father died of an overdose by his doctor of that drug.. I would never and I will never take it..

I say let's wait to see what the autopsy says before anyone deciding what caused his death.. JMHO

well i agree with you about waiting , and to follow up on my previous post about demerol, it is extremely strong and can kill you easily if you take to much but i just find it a far better drug than morphine or oxy. Sounds like the culprit was your dads doctor as opposed to the drug itself. Then again i could just be a## backwards myself and i am the exception to the rule. My doc is afraid to prescribe a major tranquilizer bc of all my anti depressants when i need it (dental visits) and instead chooses a mix of ativan and demerol - both of which i manage with no problem and actually complain on the way to the dentist "why am i not loopy yet!!" - i prefer to be under a general anaesthetic or the equivalant, just cant afford the GA's any longer for teeth cleaning.

[all4one]

I know that the subject of MJ is an interesting one and also an intense subject for many. Remember this is a forum for everyone to share their opinions, whether you agree or not. Please remain calm and do not take everything that is said as a personal attack. The amount of reporting done on this thread is getting to be too many. Now try to be calm and have a great discussion.

[dinojen]

well i agree with you about waiting , and to follow up on my previous post about demerol, it is extremely strong and can kill you easily if you take to much but i just find it a far better drug than morphine or oxy. Sounds like the culprit was your dads doctor as opposed to the drug itself. Then again i could just be a## backwards myself and i am the exception to the rule. My doc is afraid to prescribe a major tranquilizer bc of all my anti depressants when i need it (dental visits) and instead chooses a mix of ativan and demerol - both of which i manage with no problem and actually complain on the way to the dentist "why am i not loopy yet!!" - i prefer to be under a general anaesthetic or the equivalant, just cant afford the GA's any longer for teeth cleaning.


No actually he passed away in a hospital at the young age of 47 from an overdose administered by his doctor.. and nurses that didn't pay attention...not a thing wrong with him really... a benign cyst.. and they killed him by OD'ing him on demerol. 47 years old and he died from a overdose in a hospital.. That medicine is not something to mess around with..

These doctor's if that is the case in the death of MJ prescribing these meds just because.. need to have to answer for it..

I honestly don't know tonite... so much has happened today.. Farrah has died.. MJ died... it's just so unbelievable that all this can happen in one day.. MJ was suppose to be going on tour next month..

My apologies if I sound cranky tonite.. it's just been a long day and too much news all at once....

[summer4meplz]

Right, and the boy could describe what his penis looked like.

could it be that they were just "showing it" like young boys do....I have no insight or knowledge of what "really" happened....but I do think it's possible that MJ was stunted emotionally.....he literally never grew up....I wish we had a shrink or 2 in the house....

I'm just not thinking of that part of his life tonight.....I hope he is at peace.....he was troubled for his entire life......imo

[MiamiNice1]

I know that the subject of MJ is an interesting one and also an intense subject for many. Remember this is a forum for everyone to share their opinions, whether you agree or not. Please remain calm and do not take everything that is said as a personal attack. The amount of reporting done on this thread is getting to be too many. Now try to be calm and have a great discussion.
Cool way to handle it, all4one. :thumbup:

[summer4meplz]

Joe was not there.. he is reportedly flying to LA from Las Vegas after being told of the situtation... so who is telling the truth...:confused:

His mother and LaToya got to the hospital after he was pronounced deceased.. where was Joe.. IN LAS VEGAS...

that's what was said on greta by Dick Gregory....he talked to Joe on the phone as he was leaving vegas......

[annalyzer]

Interesting read with photos.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1195607/The-King-Pop-dead-Michael-Jackson-passes-away--aged-50--rushed-hospital-coma.html

[aproudmom]

this has alot about MJ on this link just thought I would share it..


http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/index/0,,5019112,00.html

[aproudmom]

I know that the subject of MJ is an interesting one and also an intense subject for many. Remember this is a forum for everyone to share their opinions, whether you agree or not. Please remain calm and do not take everything that is said as a personal attack. The amount of reporting done on this thread is getting to be too many. Now try to be calm and have a great discussion.

Hi wondered who our Mod was..lol..and I agree with you thanks a bunch all4one

[aproudmom]

Joe was not there.. he is reportedly flying to LA from Las Vegas after being told of the situtation... so who is telling the truth...:confused:

His mother and LaToya got to the hospital after he was pronounced deceased.. where was Joe.. IN LAS VEGAS...

they did say he was at the home on HLN but never heard it again so who knows dino you know the media can get the stuff wrong alot...

[aproudmom]

I've been reading the boards, internet, watching the news and talking with friends and family. I'm still in shock, literally.

my darn TV is out storms and satellite don't get along..but just reading the stuff on line..and agree seems alot are in shock and some are not..

[annalyzer]

At the bottom of the link it has video of the ambulance taking Michael away. :crying:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1195607/The-King-Pop-dead-Michael-Jackson-passes-away--aged-50--rushed-hospital-coma.html

[sunflowerseeds]

Bottom Line: A family lost a son/brother today and three INNOCENT children lost a parent....I am sad for them. A parent should never have to bury a child and young children should NOT have to lose a parent.

[sunflowerseeds]

I can only imagine where the funeral will be held. Probably at a Football stadium.

I hope he didn't suffer.


Possibly....it would almost make sense for the family to do a private funeral to avoid the HUGE mob that will take place. However, I have a feeling they will do something on a scale we have never seen before.:confused:

[Krystal]

I can't believe your judgement. A grown man shares his bed with other people sons, and gives them alcohol. :scared: This is okay? If MJ wasn't a celebrity, most people would NEVER excuse this kind of behavior!

He was found "not guilty". That doesn't mean he's innocent.

It always bothered me how so many people could minimize and sugarcoat his bizarre behavior around children-just because he was a celebrity.

Well now whatever happened is between him and God.

[Mr. Moto2]

Dang, this thing is wall-to-wall on TV. I didn't think it would be so huge.

[Daniel Konrath]

Always had mixed emotions about Michael.........Talented but tragically flawed.............I followed the trial like many others and you could see the NG verdict coming after TM worked the mother over on the stand..........I really believe in his heart of hearts he didn't feel what he was doing was wrong like a lot of pedophiles do, at least in one sense.........Wielding his power and celebrity to indulge his neurotic attractions to children was very wrong though, and I'm sure he knew that too...........

It was pretty clear, acquitted or not, after the trial it was the beginning of the end for the talented Mr. Jackson.............One thing sure is they'll never be another like him, both the good and the bad...........

[sunbunny]

Dang, this thing is wall-to-wall on TV. I didn't think it would be so huge.

earlier this evening, Geraldo Rivera was saying how he didn't think MJ's death would be as "huge as the death of Lady Di" as some "bloggers" were saying.... frankly, i think it is bigger! and Geraldo, et al. were only proving that by showing their coverage sans commercials! heaven knows during their regular shows, there are commercials every 6 minutes.

rest in peace, michael jackson, and may God be with your family. :rose:

[sunbunny]

I am so drained. I can't believe this has taken such a toll on me.

Take care everyone.


same here, Charms.

g'nite everyone.

[FallenAngel♥]

I've been reading the boards, internet, watching the news and talking with friends and family. I'm still in shock, literally.

My sister's on vacation in Italy right now and we've been twittering and emailing each other all day and we're both still in shock.

Tomorrow we'll hear the first part of his autopsy but i can't wait to hear what all the tox report has to say. I hope it wasn't his addiction to pain killers that finally killed him.

and today i downloaded a bunch of MJ from itunes for my iphone. I had almost forgot how great his music was.

[PrimeSuspect210]

I'm really sad that MJ is gone. I followed his career -- as a child, I would look at him on TV and go "No way! He's my age!" He was an extraordinary talent that we (meaning me and the folks I know) will most likely not see the likes of for a long time to come. Probably not in my lifetime, at least.

Did he molest children? I don't know. Personally, I don't believe he did the particular crime he was arrested and tried for. I didn't see all the evidence -- I'm just going by -- well -- the lack of enough of it to convict him. What I do believe is that he was tried in a court of law for that crime and it wasn't proven. The ones that rendered the verdict saw 100% of the evidence and heard 100% of the testimony and I haven't heard of any jurors with regrets about their verdict.

I believe there is a higher judgment after death and not one of us will know until judgment day, how the verdicts will go. Hopefully at that time, there won't be message boards to criticize or dispute those verdicts. If there are, I sure don't want to be a part of them.

Godspeed Michael. May God be with your family and friends through this difficult time.

[VC2]

thanks again Athena- before I read this just saw a friend of MJ's on FOX (could be a repeat of earlier) say that Michael was very spiritual and mentioned something about he knew the Scriptures (now, when I hear scriptures, I automatically think of the Judeo-Christian based Bible) but maybe the Koran is referred to that as well.

It's likely the family may choose to televise his memorial service like they did for James Brown, Coretta Scott King, ANS, etc.

IMO I hope the children receive grief counseling- likely the family will all be in so much shock they won't be able to fully focus on the devastation the children will be experiencing.

One thing i learned in grade 12 when i was at the DOD school in Bonn Germany and my best friend was the Pakistan ambassador's son whom i argued with all the time, was that that the Koran is very similar to the bible. It has all the same major stories in it, including the virgin birth. We had argued religion a lot until i realized i was not sure of what i was talking about :laugh: so got an english translation of the Koran. The real difference was the interpretation, for example in the Koran Jesus is just one of the prophets while Mohammad speaks gods word. The Koran has more "life rules" as does the Talmud for Judaism than the bibles 10 commandments.

So when you think the judeo christian tradition, in some ways you are correct, it is more interpretation and the scriptures have the same stories among all 3 major religions.

IMO

[Mayasmimi]

Bottom Line: A family lost a son/brother today and three INNOCENT children lost a parent....I am sad for them. A parent should never have to bury a child and young children should NOT have to lose a parent.

I agree. Heart is aching. A little piece of us died today. So sad for his parents, brothers and sisters.......more for his babies.

Have always been torn with regard to the allegations. Michael Jackson was a "cash cow". I prefer, tonight, not to dwell on that. Who knows?

So very sad.

[Mayasmimi]

I'm really sad that MJ is gone. I followed his career -- as a child, I would look at him on TV and go "No way! He's my age!" He was an extraordinary talent that we (meaning me and the folks I know) will most likely not see the likes of for a long time to come. Probably not in my lifetime, at least.

Did he molest children? I don't know. Personally, I don't believe he did the particular crime he was arrested and tried for. I didn't see all the evidence -- I'm just going by -- well -- the lack of enough of it to convict him. What I do believe is that he was tried in a court of law for that crime and it wasn't proven. The ones that rendered the verdict saw 100% of the evidence and heard 100% of the testimony and I haven't heard of any jurors with regrets about their verdict.

I believe there is a higher judgment after death and not one of us will know until judgment day, how the verdicts will go. Hopefully at that time, there won't be message boards to criticize or dispute those verdicts. If there are, I sure don't want to be a part of them.

Godspeed Michael. May God be with your family and friends through this difficult time.


Great post Prime. Yes. Geesh. So sad.

[VC2]

Type in Jordan Chandler & Michael Jackson. You will find that in 1994 Jackson paid the Chandler family 22 million dollars to settle a child molestation civil suit.

yes and type it in further and you will find that Jordan's father gave him a drug just before he "came out with the allegation". Actually i cant remember if it was the father himself or the fathers friend a dentist who had injected the drug.

It was made up of whole cloth. It made total sense for MJ to settle that suit. In fact if it was true do you think any parent would settle for money? I would settle if i was such a high profile celeb rather than a court case. IIRC Jordan cut off all contact with his father as an adult..hmmm i wonder why?

IMO

[VC2]

Great point! It always upset me that he had custody of those children!
Where was children's services???:confused:

They did an investigation and found there was no problem with him having custody.

[Mayasmimi]

MJ broke many barriers. He was colorless. His talent suoerceeded everything.
He was a bridge to other performers and when he danced he incorporated moves from James Brown, Fred Astaire, Jackie Wilson just to name a few.
Remember the moonwalk?

Oh yes. Nice post. He was a showman. So very sad.

[Mayasmimi]

Of course not. Some people choose to dwell on negativity.
Michael Jackson has passed on and left a huge void, yet all some are concerned with are nastiness.

Hey. In some folks nature. Just sayin.

So sad.:confused:

[VC2]

Right, and the boy could describe what his penis looked like.

yep and i bet there are many a mans whom you could have described as a kid from seeing them as you changed for swimming in a locker room or skinny dipping or as they walked out of the shower. I could describe my friends moms breasts..they shocked me bc they were so long :laugh: as she bent over to change. I STILL could describe them, first time i saw a womans breasts clearly and i was around 10. Long and hanging...will never forget it.

Nothing to do with molestation.

IMO

[Mayasmimi]

Same here. Goodnight :(

Me too. Odd that I have cried my eyes out. Grew up with Michael. So very, very sad.

[kipswife]

It always bothered me how so many people could minimize and sugarcoat his bizarre behavior around children-just because he was a celebrity.

Well now whatever happened is between him and God.

many people appear to be able to minimize it and even transform it into a whole different perspective from the truth.
lest i can breath now

[FREEMORE]

Many people showed up at Hitsville in Detroit. The place where it all began.
I feel for his mother.

[VC2]

for those who picked up on warhorses comment earlier regarding jordan chandler and those allegations here is some good info:

On July 2, 1993, in a private telephone conversation, Chandler was tape recorded as saying,

There was no reason why he [Jackson] had to stop calling me...I picked the nastiest son of a ***** I could find [Evan Chandler's lawyer, Barry Rothman], all he wants to do is get this out in the public as fast as he can, as big as he can and humiliate as many people as he can. He's nasty, he's mean, he's smart and he's hungry for publicity. Everything's going to a certain plan that isn't just mine. Once I make that phone call, this guy is going to destroy everybody in sight in any devious, nasty, cruel way that he can do it. I've given him full authority to do that. Jackson is an evil guy, he is worse than that and I have the evidence to prove it. If I go through with this, I win big-time. There's no way I lose. I will get everything I want and they will be destroyed forever...Michael's career will be over. [2]
—Evan Chandler

In the same conversation, when asked how this would affect his son, Chandler replied, "That's irrelevant to me...It will be a massacre if I don't get what I want. It's going to be bigger than all us put together...This man [Jackson] is going to be humiliated beyond belief...He will not sell one more record". [2] The recorded conversation was a critical aspect of Jackson's defense against the upcoming allegation made against him. He and his supporters argue that he was the victim of a jealous father whose only goal was to extort money from the singer. [2]

In early August, Chandler, a registered dentist, extracted a tooth from his son's mouth, and was later forced to admit that he used the controversial sedative sodium Amytal during the procedure. [1] Under the influence of the drug, Jordan alleged that Jackson had touched his penis. Experts state that the drug sodium Amytal "makes patients extremely susceptible to suggestions". [1] Dr Lewis Strong, a Los Angeles psychiatrist stated, "You can't trust it, I never use it in my practice. I have found it to be unreliable. It's certainly not a truth serum". [1] Dr Kenneth Gottlieb, a San Francisco psychiatrist who has used the drug, stated, "I would never want to use a drug that tampers with a person's unconscious unless there was no other drug available, and I would not use it without resuscitation equipment in case of allergic reaction". [1]

and much more information on it. http://wapedia.mobi/en/1993_child_sexual_abuse_accusations_against_Michae l_Jackson

[cherish]

I can't believe your judgement. A grown man shares his bed with other people sons, and gives them alcohol. :scared: This is okay? If MJ wasn't a celebrity, most people would NEVER excuse this kind of behavior!

He was found "not guilty". That doesn't mean he's innocent.

What parent would let their child spend the night with any grown man, celebrity or not?

MJ was a brilliant artist. This I know for sure.

Everything else is hearsay.

[doctor_J]

Godspeed Michael. Thank you for the song and dance. Your music provided the backdrop of my youth and was so timeless, it also provided the montage for my son's first stage performance in first grade. You absolutely rocked my world.''

Godspeed Michael, the Gloved One, the King of Pop.

Who knew you'd be teaching the Angels tonight how to moonwalk?

[VC2]

Godspeed Michael. Thank you for the song and dance. Your music provided the backdrop of my youth and was so timeless, it also provided the montage for my son's first stage performance in first grade. You absolutely rocked my world.''

Godspeed Michael, the Gloved One, the King of Pop.

Who knew you'd be teaching the Angels tonight how to moonwalk?

That is great Dr. J! What a lovely sentiment and i am sure he will be :)

[sallemae]

I can't believe your judgement. A grown man shares his bed with other people sons, and gives them alcohol. :scared: This is okay? If MJ wasn't a celebrity, most people would NEVER excuse this kind of behavior!

He was found "not guilty". That doesn't mean he's innocent.


>>>>>>> "sharing a bed" does not mean having "sex" in bed <<<<<<<

>>>>>>> "sleeping in bed" does not mean having "sex" in bed <<<<<<

[sallemae]

There is a million miles worth of difference between a breach of contract civil suit (which Jackson has had several brought against him) & child molestation civil suits.


Doesn't matter how many millions of miles the difference is, just because any court filing is made, doesn't mean it's true or factual!

Anyone can say claim a charge and have an atty file a law suit.:angry:

[sallemae]

Hey Kell it's great to see you posting. Isn't it bizarre? Celebrated in death, a child molester. I cannot believe it. The media coverage is really sickening. I want to know who called 911 and who was he with? Did he call 911 or did someone else?

He may have been "exonorated" but I've always believed he was a pedophile and just as with Phil Spector, I don't care how celebrated the person "thought" they were, this was a sick puppy. I can't find it in me to shed a tear. Not a single tear. I Hope the Media puts this to bed, overnight.

I say PIFFLE to all the coverage. If John Couey died would we celebrate him in this manner? MJ got away with a lot of illegal painful activity and went as far to Bahrain to escape and find young boys. That is what's been reported. I'm sure if anyone finds his hard drives or journals the public would be sickened. As sickened as I am at the coverage.



:confused: When did you get to read his hard drives and journals??????

[VC2]

http://www.lompocrecord.com/articles/2009/06

/26/news/featurednews/news01.txtThomas Mesereau Jr., the lead attorney for the defense, said he is shocked and devastated by Jackson’s death.

He said he didn’t know Jackson until he agreed to represent him, but ended up spending a lot of time with him.

Jackson had a gentle soul, Mesereau said.

“He was someone who had great gifts and wanted to improve the world with those gifts,” he said.

[*Spike*]

RIP Michael :rose: love his music !

[VC2]

sallemae, please see my post #566 - skip and scroll, Dear. People are going to have their own opinions. The question of guilt or innocence on the molestation issue will not be solved on these boards.

Arguing the various points will not change anyone's mind. If a post upsets you - just go on. Getting involved emotionally with a poster will just get both of you banned.

As Paul McCartney said "Let it Be".

CJ

When you claim somethingas fact on this board then it is expected you back it up with a link according to the TSO especially if it is of a criminal nature. You say he went to bahrain to find young boys. I remember the King or Prince of Bahrain invited him to come and stay to get away from the US and the hell of the trial. Edit. yes i remembered correctly

"He is here in Bahrain on a friendly visit to relax and enjoy the hospitality," he said.

It is Jackson's first trip outside the US since he was cleared of child abuse in a California trial two weeks ago.

"He is a long time friend of the (royal) family," the official added.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/4638383.stm
and later:

The King of Pop flew to Bahrain shortly after being acquitted of child molestation in a Santa Maria, California court and spent time there as a guest of the crown prince Sheik Salman Ibn Hamed Khalifa.

And, after months of speculation suggesting Jackson is planning to sell his Neverland home in California, and make Bahrain his official headquarters, attorney Thomas Mesereau confirms his client is making a life-changing move.
He says, “He’s moving on in life. He’s living permanently in Bahrain. He has friends there who have been very loyal and helpful to him in a difficult period of his life.” Mesereau, who represented Jackson in his child molestation trial, insists the Middle East has been a tonic for the King of Pop. He adds, “He looks really well.”
http://www.subzeroblue.com/archives/2005/10/michael_jackson_movi.html

I did a quick check and have found no link saying he went there to find young boys. Can you please point me to one or retract that statement of supposed fact?

[*Spike*]

ok i cannot believe some of these post i have read about Michael. i do not believe this is the time to say bad things about him even if they may be true. let him rest in peace at least for now. JMO

[boomer]

All I can say is...Nooooooooooo
I went on the Internet today to read about Farrah's death and then I started reading about Michael Jackson. I was stunned and shocked.
I still can't sleep.
RIP MJ
I will never/ever believe that Michael harmed any of those boys. IMO

[RayStar]

RIP MJ Detroit is taking this hard also.

[VC2]

VC2 - who in the h*ll are you taking to? you quoted a post of mine - but I NEVER posted about MJ in Bahrain - EVER.

How dare you link me to a post I never made. I expect an apology immediately.

Whoops CJ i do apologize, it was Bugout who made the post about bahrain.

[FrankieBones1]

ok i cannot believe some of these post i have read about Michael. i do not believe this is the time to say bad things about him even if they may be true. let him rest in peace at least for now. JMO

For sure, Spike. Guess they didn't see the moderator's message:

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[MoonFlwr]

I agree 200% with the sentiment of respectfully marking MJ's untimely death by not bringing up controversial matters in his past.

What I don't really get, is, why people run off to the moderators to report posts so often.

[Cardinal]

I will never forget his performance of Billie Jean on the Motown 25 show. I watched it because I'd heard about the Jackson 5 reunion - and then Michael did Billie Jean and changed forever the style of pop music performance.

Whatever his life did or didn't become, he was an amazing talent, and that is ultimately what will be remembered, imo.

RIP MJ :rose:

[Cardinal]

Today Show doing full coverage now

[n/t]

Her diatribe on Headline News was uncalled for yesterday.

Rest in Peace, Michael.

I agree. I think Jane Velez Mitchell and Larry King handled it best and with class.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I think they`re going to remember the music. I think they`re going to remember the amazing songs that we all grew up with. "ABC," "Thinking About You and Me," "Billy Jean," "Thriller," "Black or White," "Bad," "Got to be There," "Rockin` Robin," "Rock with You," "Don`t Stop Till You Get Enough," "She`s Out of My Life." That`s what we`re going to remember, and we`re going to remember the moon walk.

I think it`s -- the best tribute that we can give to Michael Jackson is to remember what he brought to this world that was good. And that`s what he brought to this world that was good. He did have his problems. He had his demons. I don`t think anybody would doubt that. But let`s remember, now that he`s passed away, the good things.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/25/ijvm.01.html

He has millions of fans all over the world who still listen and dance to his music and will for many years to come.

RIP Michael :rose:

[RootBeer]

Ok this is a first for me. i've never seen a body airlifted to the coroners office.

And they keep showing it over and over.....

Great photography work I must admit.

[FrankieBones1]

And they keep showing it over and over.....

Great photography work I must admit.

Which station is carrying that video? I haven't seen it yet.

[RootBeer]

Which station is carrying that video? I haven't seen it yet.

I have seen it on CNN and MSNBC.

[FrankieBones1]

Godspeed Michael. Thank you for the song and dance. Your music provided the backdrop of my youth and was so timeless, it also provided the montage for my son's first stage performance in first grade. You absolutely rocked my world.''

Godspeed Michael, the Gloved One, the King of Pop.

Who knew you'd be teaching the Angels tonight how to moonwalk?

Beautiful! Absolutely beautiful, Dr. J.
:wub:

[FrankieBones1]

I have seen it on CNN and MSNBC.

Thanks, RootBeer. Switching channels now. As an aside; can you believe that Blanket is seven years old already?

[MoonFlwr]

Which station is carrying that video? I haven't seen it yet.

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=6296836&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/

[RootBeer]

I bet those tickets sold will be refunded, but who would want to give back that ticket now?

[RootBeer]

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=6296836&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/

Excellent, thanks.

[VC2]

I bet those tickets sold will be refunded, but who would want to give back that ticket now?

I was watching the BBC and they were discussing this, that it will be a terrible financial hit etc.

All i could think was..well maybe a few million might want to give their tickets back but am betting most will keep them forever or maybe sell them in 20 years.

[RootBeer]

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=38746353

[sallemae]

sallemae, please see my post #566 - skip and scroll, Dear. People are going to have their own opinions. The question of guilt or innocence on the molestation issue will not be solved on these boards.

Arguing the various points will not change anyone's mind. If a post upsets you - just go on. Getting involved emotionally with a poster will just get both of you banned.

As Paul McCartney said "Let it Be".

CJ



You're are so right about the just scroll on by, but that poster didn't give an opinion, they stated a fact about reading the harddrives and journals, just wanted to know how they had the opportunity to read them. Thanks for the advice dear.:thumbup:

[FrankieBones1]

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=6296836&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/

Thanks, MoonFlwr. It was probably done that way for safety reasons. With thousands of fans out on the streets and all. The streets would have been clogged.

[FrankieBones1]

I was watching the BBC and they were discussing this, that it will be a terrible financial hit etc.

All i could think was..well maybe a few million might want to give their tickets back but am betting most will keep them forever or maybe sell them in 20 years.

I wonder what a ticket would cost for a concert like that in London.
As a 'sidebar', would it be as much as say a 'Boston' concert ticket?

[RootBeer]

Michael Jackson performing "Man in the Mirror" live at the 1988 Grammy Awards with a Gospel Choir.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zpTQCQEFhg

[n/t]

I wonder what a ticket would cost for a concert like that in London.
As a 'sidebar', would it be as much as say a 'Boston' concert ticket?

Last night they said $80.00.

[n/t]

On my way in to work, they played I'll be there on the radio. I had tears coming down. It brought back so many memories.

Even the DJ's were emotional.

:rose:

[FrankieBones1]

On my way in to work, they played I'll be there on the radio. I had tears coming down. It brought back so many memories.

Even the DJ's were emotional.

:rose:

I've been singing that one since the news came out. Also love
Who's Loving You.

[shiloh2000]

The issue of whether MJ was a pedophile or not will be heatedly debated forever. There are those who will NEVER believe in this allegation and there are those who will ALWAYS believe that the allegation is true. MJs death will not resolve this.

Bashing each other on these boards will not "resolve" this issue. Post what you will - but let others post as well. We have to agree to disagree. Don't let any post upset you - just scroll thru and skip.

I, personally, do not view Michael Jackson's death as tragic. Actually, I expected him to die a lot sooner. He has abused his body for many, many years. When the 50 concert tour was announced, I thought "How in the h*11 can he do this in his present physical state?"

So, it doesn't surprise me. In spite of what I believe of the allegations, I am saddened by MJs death. I still do love and appreciate his enormous talent. But the "shadow" of his later life is also in my mind.

No, I do not think this is "tragic". it is just a sad sad end to a tormented and gifted life.

CJ

GREAT post! :thumbsup:

[RootBeer]

I've been singing that one since the news came out. Also love
Who's Loving You.


Who's Loving You
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOxIKJTTB2k

[n/t]

Remembering Michael through pictures:

http://omg.yahoo.com/photos/remembering-michael/2238?nc

What a beautiful picture of him and Madonna.

Thanks for the link. Many will miss him. :rose:

[RootBeer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cC1TTz2bMmM&feature=related

[GentleBreeze]

MJ broke many barriers. He was colorless. His talent suoerceeded everything.
He was a bridge to other performers and when he danced he incorporated moves from James Brown, Fred Astaire, Jackie Wilson just to name a few.
Remember the moonwalk?

And it seems in so many other's eyes he was still a young man even though he was 50 when he passed away.

I have been watching them interview people on the street and over and over they not only say they are shocked and saddened but they couldn't believe he was 50 years old.

Like MJs attorney said last night on AC, MJ was a 12 year old child trapped in an adult body.

imo

[FrankieBones1]

Who's Loving You
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOxIKJTTB2k
Wow! On that same page, Jazmin doing the same song. Four girls, no music.

[RootBeer]

Michael Jackson - You Are Not Alone (Live) (In Munich) (HIStory Tour) (1997)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9DDTiPzJCk

[Dunlurken]

I'm curious if Michael ever had any formal dance training. He was one fantastic "mover". He will be greatly missed. I watched the whole trial, and also thought him not guilty. Just a big kid who never totally grew up. When he did the "moon walk" I thought for sure it was trick photography. Not humanly possible to do. Guess I was wrong. LOL.

RIP Michael. :rose:

[~layla~]

The issue of whether MJ was a pedophile or not will be heatedly debated forever. There are those who will NEVER believe in this allegation and there are those who will ALWAYS believe that the allegation is true. MJs death will not resolve this.

Bashing each other on these boards will not "resolve" this issue. Post what you will - but let others post as well. We have to agree to disagree. Don't let any post upset you - just scroll thru and skip.

I, personally, do not view Michael Jackson's death as tragic. Actually, I expected him to die a lot sooner. He has abused his body for many, many years. When the 50 concert tour was announced, I thought "How in the h*11 can he do this in his present physical state?"

So, it doesn't surprise me. In spite of what I believe of the allegations, I am saddened by MJs death. I still do love and appreciate his enormous talent. But the "shadow" of his later life is also in my mind.

No, I do not think this is "tragic". it is just a sad sad end to a tormented and gifted life.

CJ

THIS! x's 2

Im upset his children are left orphans. He was a musical genius that had a tortured upbringing and at some point it manifested into his own wrong doings. Saddened even more by the fact he could have had help and been able to live his peterpan life had he had the right people and the ability to cope and guide him.

[panache]

http://www.popeater.com/music/article/did-drugs-kill-michael-jackson/545060?icid=main|main|dl1|link2|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.p opeater.com%2Fmusic%2Farticle%2Fdid-drugs-kill-michael-jackson%2F545060

[GentleBreeze]

>>>>>>> "sharing a bed" does not mean having "sex" in bed <<<<<<<

>>>>>>> "sleeping in bed" does not mean having "sex" in bed <<<<<<

You are right, it doesn't.

I watched MJ closely during his interviews when this was ask of him. Each time his face showed total honesty as he tried to explain it. He never denied he did this. MJ may have been biologically an adult but he wasn't in his mind. He was still that 12 year old kid that loved sleepovers and all piling in the same bed.

But because most of society does not approve of that or understands MJs mind set then to them it had to be for sexual purposes only, imo. I don't think it was. In fact I have often wondered if MJ was even sexually attracted to either males or a females at all. He seemed content to live in a child's world and continue to be that child he never got to be while growing up.

imo

[Themis]

THIS! x's 2

Im upset his children are left orphans. He was a musical genius that had a tortured upbringing and at some point it manifested into his own wrong doings. Saddened even more by the fact he could have had help and been able to live his peterpan life had he had the right people and the ability to cope and guide him.
Layla: you just posted that you are upset because his children are orphans.

ORPHANS? Michael Jackson's 2 children by Debbie Rowe are NOT orphans. She is still alive. She will probably get custody. I think there may be a custody battle in the future initiated by Jackson's family but that is not the point of your point.

In a news article it said: "His third child, Prince Michael II, was born to a mystery surrogate mother he never even met."

Well, who is responsible for that? Michael Jackson.

[4Life]

Layla: you just posted that you are upset because his children are orphans.

ORPHANS? Michael Jackson's 2 children by Debbie Rowe are NOT orphans. She is still alive. She will probably get custody. I think there may be a custody battle in the future initiated by Jackson's family but that is not the point of your point.

In a news article it said: "His third child, Prince Michael II, was born to a mystery surrogate mother he never even met."

Well, who is responsible for that? Michael Jackson.

The today show just reported that the children are with Debbie now and will be for a temporary time frame

[GentleBreeze]

Layla: you just posted that you are upset because his children are orphans.

ORPHANS? Michael Jackson's 2 children by Debbie Rowe are NOT orphans. She is still alive. She will probably get custody. I think there may be a custody battle in the future initiated by Jackson's family but that is not the point of your point.

In a news article it said: "His third child, Prince Michael II, was born to a mystery surrogate mother he never even met."

Well, who is responsible for that? Michael Jackson.

Rowe relinquished all custody rights to the children. Imo the court will not award her the children.

I believe the children will be awarded to either MJs mother who is very close to them and has been all of their lives or the Nanny who has been with them caring for them since they were born.

Having a surrogate mother happens in other families as well. I would think the surrogate also gave up all rights to the child.

imo

[Scampi]

Michael Jackson was a super star. His talent for dance and song writing was amazing.

However, any genuine assessment of his life must include the shadow of the child molestation accusations, imo.

I am gratified to see that today, now that the shock of his death is subsiding a bit, the cable shows are doing a fair analysis of his life.

I particularly like the comments and view of Maureen Orth, (Tim Russert's widow) who has followed Jackson's career for many years and published her findings in Vanity Fair.

[ellegna]

I'm curious if Michael ever had any formal dance training. He was one fantastic "mover". He will be greatly missed. I watched the whole trial, and also thought him not guilty. Just a big kid who never totally grew up. When he did the "moon walk" I thought for sure it was trick photography. Not humanly possible to do. Guess I was wrong. LOL.

RIP Michael. :rose:

Michael Jackson worked closely with Michael Peters. Awesome dancer and choreographer. Peters did the choreography for Thriller and Beat It. Peters wore the white jacket in Beat It. I'm sure Michael Jackson picked up some dance moves from Peters and visa versa.

:rose: For Michael

[GentleBreeze]

The today show just reported that the children are with Debbie now and will be for a temporary time frame

I don't think MJ and Debbie became enemies. I imagine she has offered to care for the children due to the onslaught of the media presence everywhere until the funeral can be held. She also knows this has to be extremely hard on MJs family and the grief they are all going through now.

imo

[kellabeck]

You are right, it doesn't.

I watched MJ closely during his interviews when this was ask of him. Each time his face showed total honesty as he tried to explain it. He never denied he did this. MJ may have been biologically an adult but he wasn't in his mind. He was still that 12 year old kid that loved sleepovers and all piling in the same bed.

But because most of society does not approve of that or understands MJs mind set then to them it had to be for sexual purposes only, imo. I don't think it was. In fact I have often wondered if MJ was even sexually attracted to either males or a females at all. He seemed content to live in a child's world and continue to be that child he never got to be while growing up.


Right. And wiring up alarm systems to alert him when anyone approached his bedroom was for....?

I understand that some posters will never believe what I see as evidence and they see as allegations.

We have to just agree to disagree.

[4Life]

Michael Jackson worked closely with Michael Peters. Awesome dancer and choreographer. Peters did the choreography for Thriller and Beat It. Peters wore the white jacket in Beat It. I'm sure Michael Jackson picked up some dance moves from Peters and visa versa.

:rose: For Michael

Paula Abdul also did some choreography for Michael and his sister Janet

[Lyvia]

For sure, Spike. Guess they didn't see the moderator's message:

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The moderator also said differing opinions are welcome. Nowhere did I see a moderator dictate that only positive comments must be made.

For me, I worried about Jackson's children more than anything. He may have loved them, and I am not suggesting he would molest them. But I don't think he had it in him to be a good parent. Just the way he would talk about them, and naming them all after himself, not to mention the whole dangling Blanket thing. There is so much evidence that those children were being raised by someone not equipped for the job. And even now, if they go to a more normal life, it's going to be a huge adjustment because of what they came from. I hope they're given counseling and end up with loving, well-adjusted caretakers.

imo

[RootBeer]

You are right, it doesn't.

I watched MJ closely during his interviews when this was ask of him. Each time his face showed total honesty as he tried to explain it. He never denied he did this. MJ may have been biologically an adult but he wasn't in his mind. He was still that 12 year old kid that loved sleepovers and all piling in the same bed.

But because most of society does not approve of that or understands MJs mind set then to them it had to be for sexual purposes only, imo. I don't think it was. In fact I have often wondered if MJ was even sexually attracted to either males or a females at all. He seemed content to live in a child's world and continue to be that child he never got to be while growing up.

imo


Families in Japan take baths together. Just saying.....

[RootBeer]

The today show just reported that the children are with Debbie now and will be for a temporary time frame

I heard they are in Encino with Katherine, who is Michael's mother.

[AmbiantRotation]

[HTML]Gentlebreeze

I watched MJ closely during his interviews when this was ask of him. Each time his face showed total honesty as he tried to explain it. He never denied he did this. MJ may have been biologically an adult but he wasn't in his mind. He was still that 12 year old kid that loved sleepovers and all piling in the same bed.

But because most of society does not approve of that or understands MJs mind set then to them it had to be for sexual purposes only, imo. I don't think it was. In fact I have often wondered if MJ was even sexually attracted to either males or a females at all. He seemed content to live in a child's world and continue to be that child he never got to be while growing up.


I agree with this assesment completely!

Michael Jackson was a little before my time (I was born in '84) and didn't come into the music scene until the mid to late 90's. I am now however familiar with all of his music and greatly respected him for the artist he was. He is one of those iconic figures that regardless of if you've heard an ounce of his music- you've heard of him. When I think about the 80's I automatically think of Michael Jackson. So many people still try to emulate him and his dance moves- he was the Elvis of my generation.
I always felt for MJ in the fact that he seemed to be a walking caricature of himself towards the end there. I think anytime someone dies without warning it is a tragedy and I feel for his family and friends who had no warning and no chance to say good-bye. MJ will be missed by many and his talent will live on forever. It's such a shame he had to die when his public image was at a low and that his legacy will always be veiled by his personal issues. Today I choose to remember his great music and dancing and the mark he left on the music industry!

[kellabeck]

I will bet that the autopsy will show that he died as a result of his addiction to drugs (Demerol is one. He even wrote a song about Demerol.) Very much like Anna Nicole Smith.

Followed, similiarly, by a fierce custody battle tinged with the hopes of riches.

I will also not be surprised that there will be a flood of more details coming out about Jackson's dirty little secrets.

I look at the early photos of Michael and see such a beautiful and talented boy. The self-mutilation and self-loathing--- very sad.

They're calling him a "great father." A great father dangles a baby from a balcony? Names them all "Michael" and "Blanket" and parades them around with masks and veils? I feel sorry for these purchased children.

[mrsmcgoo]

Nothing happened. That's the point. I bothers me how people can imagine something that isn't there. That's scary.

22 million paid out to a 13 year old boy doesn't sound like nothing happened to me.

A trial did take placem despite deep pockets, so there was evidence that stated otherwise.

Just because MJ is a celebrity, he doesn't get immunity from some believing he is guilty or not guilty. We all have views on trials and it was covering extensively on this site back when we were CTV.

That isn't too say we don't feel for his family and especially young children. They lost their father no matter what any of us think of him, he was a single father making it even more devastating to the children.

Whoever gets custody of them, I hope they are treasured and loved.

:rose:

[kellabeck]

Families in Japan take baths together. Just saying.....

Normal, non-perverted hetero males do not sleep with pre-pubescent boys (who all look alike, btw) night after night after night.

[Lyvia]

Very well said..... "this" society. Other societies sleep with their kids without any sexual involvement. Families, friends, etc.

Unfortunately, some have very closed minds. Would I let my young child stay with friends and sleep with the adults. No. But I have been jaded because of the sexual pedophiles we have managed to raise in "this society". JMO.
<snip>.
I don't have a closed mind. I can believe some adults could sleep with children without sexual contact (though it's still poor judgment and normalizes a behavior that could put children at risk). But I do not believe, given all we know, that was the case with Michael Jackson. That doesn't make me close-minded or prudish or anything else that you and others may want to use to insult those who disagree with you.

[dinojen]

I heard they are in Encino with Katherine, who is Michael's mother.


Your right.. they are with Katherine. Debbie hasn't had contact with them in a long time.

There was a child advocate atty on this morning and she said if there was no will more than likely the children will go to Michael's mother, they are very close to her also she mentioned if there is a will Michael could of left the children in the care of their nanny, they showed a picture of her.. very nice looking lady and they are very attached to her.. so.. who knows.. BUT.. she did say that no court in the world would give the two children produced by Debbie Rowe to her after she had been paid for their custody.. not once.. but twice. Slim chance to none she will have custody.

Just posting what I heard from the child advocate atty on tv.

[Themis]

Rowe relinquished all custody rights to the children. Imo the court will not award her the children.

I believe the children will be awarded to either MJs mother who is very close to them and has been all of their lives or the Nanny who has been with them caring for them since they were born.

Having a surrogate mother happens in other families as well. I would think the surrogate also gave up all rights to the child.

imo
I understand that Rowe relinquished all custody rights but she is still the mother of the 2 older children. Just as you said, the surrogate- mother situation happens in other families as well; it does not mean the surrogate mother is dead. Maybe she will surface; maybe not. Maybe the 2 older children can establish/re-establish a relationship with their natural mother -- maybe not.

MJ's mother may be very close to the children but she has to be, what?, at least 75 years old. Does Jackson's mother still live with her husband? I think his name is Joe and MJ claimed many years of abuse at the hands of his father. Would MJ want his own 3 children raised in that same environment? Just asking; I don't know. However, I do see the possibility of inter- and intra-family lawsuits in the months ahead.

[panache]

I will bet that the autopsy will show that he died as a result of his addiction to drugs (Demerol is one. He even wrote a song about Demerol.) Very much like Anna Nicole Smith.

Followed, similiarly, by a fierce custody battle tinged with the hopes of riches.

I will also not be surprised that there will be a flood of more details coming out about Jackson's dirty little secrets.

I look at the early photos of Michael and see such a beautiful and talented boy. The self-mutilation and self-loathing--- very sad.

They're calling him a "great father." A great father dangles a baby from a balcony? Names them all "Michael" and "Blanket" and parades them around with masks and veils? I feel sorry for these purchased children.


Great post!!! My sentiments exactly. IMO, there will be a flood of battles about his estate amongst the family.

[RootBeer]

Great post!!! My sentiments exactly. IMO, there will be a flood of battles about his estate amongst the family.

I don't think their will be much to fight over, MJ has a lot of debts and the collectors will be first in line. jmo

[Lyvia]

Normal, non-perverted hetero males do not sleep with pre-pubescent boys (who all look alike, btw) night after night after night.

I'll never forget that book he owned, the one from the making of Lord of the Flies. I know about it from these boards (well, when it was CourtTV) It was all naked boys. It was defended as being an art book, but it's known as being a pedophile book. I don't know why Michael Jackson owned it, but it gave me pause, to put it lightly.

Remember that interview Jackson did around the time of the child molestation trial? He was asked about sleeping with children, and I seem to recall that in defending the practice he said he let his children sleep with adults all the time. Anyone else remember that?

Seems to be a dangerous practice, since we can't know a pedophile on sight and sometimes it turns out to be someone we trusted. Putting a child in the bed of any adult seems to me to be taking a big chance. I just don't think he was equipped to be a parent.

[GentleBreeze]

Normal, non-perverted hetero males do not sleep with pre-pubescent boys (who all look alike, btw) night after night after night.

Imo, I don't think anyone here equates MJ as a normal hetero adult male.

Everyone that knew MJ personally speaks that he was like a child not a grown man.

imo

[Lyvia]

Imo, I don't think anyone here equates MJ as a normal hetero adult male.

Everyone that knew MJ personally speaks that he was like a child not a grown man.

imo

Not everyone. I remember hearing that at times the childlike speech and demeanor dropped away. It would be impossible in the flood of media coverage of his death to find a link, so imo.

But to be frank, it doesn't matter how he spoke. He was physically an adult.

[Heyes]

I agree with all of the above. I think her tone is her biggest problem. Her tone drips with hatred and loathing.

Hey there Frankie!
Good to see you.
Yes, you nailed it. Her tone does tend to do that. I know there's a back story to her hatred of Michael. Doubt we'll ever know what it is but something is brewing in there.
I'll never forget her face when he was aquitted on ALL counts. Now that was worth watching. I think she spit a couple of nails out.lol

[Dunlurken]

I would imagine Michael had a will, and in the unfortunate event of his demise, I'm sure he had someone listed to get custody of the children. That will be hard to overturn in court. JMO.

[GentleBreeze]

This is one of the songs of Michael's that I have always liked. It is a sad song but I think he sang it from his heart.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmlrp3uZtx0

Childhood

[Dunlurken]

Morning everyone..i just received this link via email ....Interesting, apparantly the 'Doctor" was was at the house prior to Michael's Cardiac Arrest, and reportedly gave him that shot of "Demerol"..is "Missing In Action"...Sounds very suspicious to me..eh?

Michael Jackson Doctor -- MIA

http://ow.ly/fRM0

also from this link: Lots of pics and stuff

Jackson Family -- Demerol Shot Caused Death

Jackson Family Feared Morphine OD

Jackson's Death -- Demerol OD?

LMSDo we know the doctor's name? I think there's something very nefarious going on there.

[RootBeer]

Do we know the doctor's name? I think there's something very nefarious going on there.


This is so ANS it is freaking me out.

[RootBeer]

MSNBC is staying on top of when a statement will be released from the coroner.

[Dunlurken]

This is one of the songs of Michael's that I have always liked. It is a sad song but I think he sang it from his heart.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmlrp3uZtx0

Childhood

That's beautiful. And it does say it all. In interviews he would say he watched the kids playing while he was in the recording studio. Poor man/child, never had a chance.

[Lyvia]

This is so ANS it is freaking me out.

That family lawyer, Brian Oxman, is all over the news saying he feared this was going to happen. That Jackson was surrounded by enablers. He's being a jerk though, starting with the prescription drugs comments yesterday before the news of MJ"s death was even released. And today, he was going on and on about prescription drugs being responsible and when the CNN reporter asked, "What drugs" he said he couldn't comment because of privacy for the family. Can you believe that?

I bet it will play out a lot like ANS, but with so much debt (even though reportedly MJ was still living lavishly, just not paying his bills), I wonder...

[GentleBreeze]

Morning everyone..i just received this link via email ....Interesting, apparently the 'Doctor" was was at the house prior to Michael's Cardiac Arrest, and reportedly gave him that shot of "Demerol"..is "Missing In Action"...Sounds very suspicious to me..eh?

Michael Jackson Doctor -- MIA

http://ow.ly/fRM0

also from this link: Lots of pics and stuff

Jackson Family -- Demerol Shot Caused Death

Jackson Family Feared Morphine OD

Jackson's Death -- Demerol OD?

LMS

This is so sad. It reminds me so much of Elvis and because his drugs were prescribed by his own personal doctor he trusted the doctor and it cost him his life.

I hope they find this man. They know who he is already, imo. But who knows he may have hopped a flight to points unknown by now.

imo

[RootBeer]

This is so sad. It reminds me so much of Elvis and because his drugs were prescribed by his own personal doctor he trusted the doctor and it cost him his life.

I hope they find this man. They know who he is already, imo. But who knows he may have hopped a flight to points unknown by now.

imo


OMG I almost forgot about all the drugs and Elvis.

[GentleBreeze]

That family lawyer, Brian Oxman, is all over the news saying he feared this was going to happen. That Jackson was surrounded by enablers. He's being a jerk though, starting with the prescription drugs comments yesterday before the news of MJ"s death was even released. And today, he was going on and on about prescription drugs being responsible and when the CNN reporter asked, "What drugs" he said he couldn't comment because of privacy for the family. Can you believe that?

I bet it will play out a lot like ANS, but with so much debt (even though reportedly MJ was still living lavishly, just not paying his bills), I wonder...

I do think Brian knows a lot. I have a feeling that Brian may have already butted heads with this personal doctor of MJs before this happened.

imo

[Dunlurken]

OMG I almost forgot about all the drugs and Elvis.

The similarities are amazing.

[Dunlurken]

There was a lady on the Today show a few minutes ago from Ebony magazine. She said she was in the dressing room with him during fittings, and he was not pencil thin, but had a "dancer's body". Very muscular, etc. I found that interesting. JMO.

[momof6]

My husband knows a detective that worked on Michaels child molestation case. The detective said everyone knew he was guilty of molesting children.

I don't feel sorry for any child molester. Know some little boys can be safer.

[GentleBreeze]

My husband knows a detective that worked on Michaels child molestation case. The detective said everyone knew he was guilty of molesting children.

I don't feel sorry for any child molester. Know some little boys can be safer.

I would expect a detective to say no less but he is wrong. If there was real evidence then he would have been convicted of it and he wasn't ever.

He was a money target though.

imo

[Dunlurken]

My husband knows a detective that worked on Michaels child molestation case. The detective said everyone knew he was guilty of molesting children.

I don't feel sorry for any child molester. Know some little boys can be safer.

Heresay! LOL. I will be interested to see if Maseru has anything to say.

[Citygirl]

I do think Brian knows a lot. I have a feeling that Brian may have already butted heads with this personal doctor of MJs before this happened.

imo


..and who knows..maybe some of his family members were helping the doctor..manage..Michael's drugs..
I think the family is getting out in front of this death toooooo fast..they could be setting the doctor up for some much needed cash flow via a civil suit for wrongful death..
can you tell I don't trust his daddy in this?

[panache]

I understand that Rowe relinquished all custody rights but she is still the mother of the 2 older children. Just as you said, the surrogate- mother situation happens in other families as well; it does not mean the surrogate mother is dead. Maybe she will surface; maybe not. Maybe the 2 older children can establish/re-establish a relationship with their natural mother -- maybe not.

MJ's mother may be very close to the children but she has to be, what?, at least 75 years old. Does Jackson's mother still live with her husband? I think his name is Joe and MJ claimed many years of abuse at the hands of his father. Would MJ want his own 3 children raised in that same environment? Just asking; I don't know. However, I do see the possibility of inter- and intra-family lawsuits in the months ahead.

Me too Themis. Not only months, but years ahead. Some of the family didn't prosper as well as MJ did from what I have read. Surface wise MJ might appear to be in finanial straits, but the right to his name and memorablia will be worth millions.

[Dunlurken]

I would expect a detective to say no less but he is wrong. If there was real evidence then he would have been convicted of it and he wasn't ever.

He was a money target though.

imo

Kind of strange since Michael "ran out of money", no one has filed any charges against him. Those people were in cahoots and only wanted Michael's money.

[panache]

This is so ANS it is freaking me out.

Isn't it though. History repeating.

[Dunlurken]

I don't believe for a second he was like a child. IMO He was savvy, slick, ruthless and conniving IMO. His "child-like" persona was a facade just as his fake falsetto voice he used only when in front of a camera IMO.

Yeah, he had a terrible and horrid childhood, just like so many other pedophiles and perfectly normal, well adjusted adults.

I believe he was a pedophile, a very musically gifted one, but a pedophile none the less.

A jury didn't agree with you. :confused:

[Citygirl]

Me too Themis. Not only months, but years ahead. Some of the family didn't prosper as well as MJ did from what I have read. Surface wise MJ might appear to be in finanial straits, but the right to his name and memorablia will be worth millions.


Love your nic darlin..oh yeah..this is gonna be newsworthy stuff forevah..
I don't know if MJ left instructions in his will for the children or if that would even stand up in a court of law if the petitioner had any credibility..I bet we find out tho.

[Lyvia]

I do think Brian knows a lot. I have a feeling that Brian may have already butted heads with this personal doctor of MJs before this happened.

imo

I'll give him this--he seemed genuinely distraught and frustrated. Not just someone wanting to get his mug on TV (we all know celebs can be surrounded by people like that).

[RootBeer]

Me too Themis. Not only months, but years ahead. Some of the family didn't prosper as well as MJ did from what I have read. Surface wise MJ might appear to be in finanial straits, but the right to his name and memorablia will be worth millions.


Good point. I wasn't even considering future earnings earlier when I made a statement about all his debts.

I keep thinking of "Graceland" (I know that is where Elvis is) and wonder where Michael's final resting place will be.

[joolz]

Heresay! LOL. I will be interested to see if Maseru has anything to say.

I don't understand what is so "LOL" about hearsay on this topic, and I agree with OP - just because he wasn't convicted doesn't make Jackson innocent. And why on earth do you think Tom Mesereau would risk his reputation (which is excellent despite some of the clients he has defended) by talking about this?

[Citygirl]

I don't believe for a second he was like a child. IMO He was savvy, slick, ruthless and conniving IMO. His "child-like" persona was a facade just as his fake falsetto voice he used only when in front of a camera IMO.

Yeah, he had a terrible and horrid childhood, just like so many other pedophiles and perfectly normal, well adjusted adults.

I believe he was a pedophile, a very musically gifted one, but a pedophile none the less.


I agree with your opinion here Linda..the whole thing!

[GentleBreeze]

Kind of strange since Michael "ran out of money", no one has filed any charges against him. Those people were in cahoots and only wanted Michael's money.

Hmmm, that is a very interesting point.

imo

[Dunlurken]

Hmmm, that is a very interesting point.

imo

I think anyone who followed the trial knows the mother and son were in cahoots to get money. Not guilty, no more law suits. JMO.

[RootBeer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfGTDsXEjgo

[joolz]

I think anyone who followed the trial knows the mother and son were in cahoots to get money. Not guilty, no more law suits. JMO.

I followed the trial and I don't know that at all. Do I suspect the mother and son wanted money? Yes. Do I think Michael Jackson was guilty? Yes. The two ideas can co-exist without canceling each other out.:rolleyes:

[Lyvia]

I think anyone who followed the trial knows the mother and son were in cahoots to get money. Not guilty, no more law suits. JMO.

You think wrong. Plenty of us who followed the trial believe Michael Jackson was guilty, but got lucky.

[panache]

Good point. I wasn't even considering future earnings earlier when I made a statement about all his debts.

I keep thinking of "Graceland" (I know that is where Elvis is) and wonder where Michael's final resting place will be.

Does he still own neverland? I lost track of that.

[margaritaville]

Madonna has paid her respects to the Jackson family and wants to know how much they want for the kids!:w00t::tonguewag:

[GentleBreeze]

I don't think their will be much to fight over, MJ has a lot of debts and the collectors will be first in line. jmo

Other financial analysts were stating on tv that the children will continue to gather income from their father's estate.

I think now with the sudden passing of MJ that his assets or even memorabilia will become much more valuable. Doesn't he still have Neverland? I think now it will most likely be sold at least as to what is owed on it.

So it may be like it was when Elvis died and he has made much more money after his death than he did before he died.

I think even if they opened up Neverland and used it as a memorial site for MJ that people all over the world would pay to come there like they do at Graceland in droves every year even though Elvis died in 1977.

imo

[panache]

You think wrong. Plenty of us who followed the trial believe Michael Jackson was guilty, but got lucky.

A star struck jury.

[Dunlurken]

Does he still own neverland? I lost track of that.

No, he sold it to the company that is bank rolling the tour he was about to do. That's why he was renting a house in LA for $100,000 a month. JMO.

50 concerts which sold out in 4 hours. Pretty impressive if you ask me.

[panache]

Madonna has paid her respects to the Jackson family and wants to know how much they want for the kids!:w00t::tonguewag:

Ha. Are you serious?

[Lyvia]

A star struck jury.

Oh, yes, I remember that well. Thank you for reminding me.

[Dunlurken]

Other financial analysts were stating on tv that the children will continue to gather income from their father's estate.

I think now with the sudden passing of MJ that his assets or even memorabilia will become much more valuable. Doesn't he still have Neverland? I think now it will most likely be sold at least as to what is owed on it.

So it may be like it was when Elvis died and he has made much more money after his death than he did before he died.

I think even if they opened up Neverland and used it as a memorial site for MJ that people all over the world would pay to come there like they do at Graceland in droves every year even though Elvis died in 1977.

imoGood points. I'm sure Michael could RIP in Neverland..... where he always wanted to be. Peter Pan.

[joolz]

I didn't even like Michael Jackson, but I have to say that the way some of you are passing judgment on a dead person is extremely bizarre.
IMO


Plenty of people believed he was a pedophile while he was still very much alive. I don't believe in canonizing people just because they die. jmo

[GentleBreeze]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfGTDsXEjgo

Wow, over 750 million albums sold.

No one will ever even come close to that imo.

Mind boggling.

imo

[RootBeer]

Madonna has paid her respects to the Jackson family and wants to know how much they want for the kids!:w00t::tonguewag:

Maybe she and Angelina can mud wrestle for adoption rights.

We all need a bit of comic relief....

[RootBeer]

Other financial analysts were stating on tv that the children will continue to gather income from their father's estate.

I think now with the sudden passing of MJ that his assets or even memorabilia will become much more valuable. Doesn't he still have Neverland? I think now it will most likely be sold at least as to what is owed on it.

So it may be like it was when Elvis died and he has made much more money after his death than he did before he died.

I think even if they opened up Neverland and used it as a memorial site for MJ that people all over the world would pay to come there like they do at Graceland in droves every year even though Elvis died in 1977.

imo

I totally agree. I wasn't even thinking about future earnings. :ohmy:

[GentleBreeze]

Good points. I'm sure Michael could RIP in Neverland..... where he always wanted to be. Peter Pan.

Well sadly I just read he had to sell Neverland. Now that company who bought it is sitting on a gold mine.

imo

[margaritaville]

Ha. Are you serious?


:w00t:
you scare me!!

[Lyvia]

Wow, over 750 million albums sold.

No one will ever even come close to that imo.

Mind boggling.

imo

Except those who have exceeded that number. Which, I believe, the Beatles and Elvis Presley have.

imo

[margaritaville]

QUOTE=RootBeer;13226765]Maybe she and Angelina can mud wrestle for adoption rights.

We all need a bit of comic relief....[/QUOTE]

:thumbsup:

[panache]

Hi pan. According to the reports I've heard, he co-owns Neverland but has lost sole ownership.

MO

Morning Grace.

Whatever the circumstances of Neverland might be, there's always the possibilty it could be MJ's final resting place. I can't imagine anyone who would really like to own that place.