Thursday, June 25, 2009 #1

[desmom]

One year ago today.....June 25, 2008

Amy stated it was around this date that Casey told her about a horrible smell in her car during a phone call.
Page 16 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/08%20Amy%20Huizenga%20July%2023,%202008.pdf

Text Messages between Casey and Amy http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1772101/AH-and-KC-Text-Messages

Amy to Casey: I’ll do it tom. . . I'm lazy now.

Casey to Amy 06/25 9:08 p.m.: Me too!

Amy to Casey: On Sat want to go to storage with me to make a game plan?

AH KC 06/25 9:09 p.m.: What time Saturday?

Casey’s cell phone records: http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2385297/Casey_Anthony_cell_records_615_to_716

[AMS]

Good morning desmom. So Casey was feeling lazy. Imagine that?


imo

[Scampi]

Good morning everyone. The one common thread among all the anthonys, is their callous disregard to the odor in that car.

IMO, it truly takes a malignant heart to actually continue to drive a car in which the awful odor is from the decomposing body of your daughter. I believe the Prosecutors will point this fact out to the jury.

Lee Anthony got the giggles, everytime he spoke of the odor and George and Cindy were able to go back to their jobs after being exposed to it.

Poor Caylee.

[Myka]

One year ago today.....June 25, 2008

Amy stated it was around this date that Casey told her about a horrible smell in her car during a phone call.
Page 16 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/08%20Amy%20Huizenga%20July%2023,%202008.pdf

Text Messages between Casey and Amy http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1772101/AH-and-KC-Text-Messages

Amy to Casey: I’ll do it tom. . . I'm lazy now.

Casey to Amy 06/25 9:08 p.m.: Me too!

Amy to Casey: On Sat want to go to storage with me to make a game plan?

AH KC 06/25 9:09 p.m.: What time Saturday?

Casey’s cell phone records: http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2385297/Casey_Anthony_cell_records_615_to_716

did Amy ever ride in the car with Casey?

[desmom]

pages 11 - 12 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2385297/Casey_Anthony_cell_records_615_to_716

Casey and Cindy play phone tag around 8:00 a.m.

From 8:09 - 12:52 no incoming or outgoing calls when Casey started playing phone tag with Mark Hawkins for the next 5 minutes.

13:36 - 14:18 - Casey calls her voice mail, Lexus Dealer 3 X (1 call 4 minutes), Cindy's cell, Amy 2 X (1 call 20 minutes)

15:04 - 15:15 - Casey and Jenna (girl from Fusians' - I think) text back and forth.

18:26 Casey calls an 866 number. I did some googling and several sites reported this an AT&T prompt "balance is past due" no service. The call was 2 minutes. Casey must have been able to convince the AT&T customer service rep, the check is in the mail because at

18:36 she called Cindy's cell for almost 15 minutes.

21:03 - 21:08 - text messages between Amy and Casey.

21:11 - Casey called the A residence for 4 minutes.

21:54 Mark Hawkins called Casey, Casey called her voicemail.

Casey is playing house full-time with Tone. Tone said he usually did not get home from class until 1:30 - 2:00 p.m. (13:30 - 14:00)

jmo

[Myka]

Good morning everyone. The one common thread among all the anthonys, is their callous disregard to the odor in that car.

IMO, it truly takes a malignant heart to actually continue to drive a car in which the awful odor is from the decomposing body of your daughter. I believe the Prosecutors will point this fact out to the jury.

Lee Anthony got the giggles, everytime he spoke of the odor and George and Cindy were able to go back to their jobs after being exposed to it.

Poor Caylee.

early on, I felt sorry for Geo because he had to drive the car home from the impound yard and smell the death smell in the car.

Now, I don't feel sorry for him and I hope that smell haunts him for the rest of his life. I hope he wakes up every morning and recalls that day. I hope he thinks of that small and pukes every day, knowing that was poor little Caylee's decomp body

[desmom]

Good morning everyone. The one common thread among all the anthonys, is their callous disregard to the odor in that car.

IMO, it truly takes a malignant heart to actually continue to drive a car in which the awful odor is from the decomposing body of your daughter. I believe the Prosecutors will point this fact out to the jury.

Lee Anthony got the giggles, everytime he spoke of the odor and George and Cindy were able to go back to their jobs after being exposed to it.

Poor Caylee.


The odor caught Casey off guard imo. I think she did try to clean up the fluids that was causing the odor. She thought she had succeeded until the next time she got in the car after it had sat with the windows up and baked in the hot FL sun.

I have witnessed that smell. I can't imagine anyone being able to drive that car knowing the cause of the smell and it not bothering them physically or emotionally.

jmo

[Scampi]

early on, I felt sorry for Geo because he had to drive the car home from the impound yard and smell the death smell in the car.

Now, I don't feel sorry for him and I hope that smell haunts him for the rest of his life. I hope he wakes up every morning and recalls that day. I hope he thinks of that small and pukes every day, knowing that was poor little Caylee's decomp body

Apparently there was a small window of time, when both george and cindy revealed they knew exactly what the odor was and that is when they searched their own backyard. Even going as far as looking under Caylee's playhouse.

Then, soon after in my opinion, the coverup began. All this talk of a kidnapping nanny is total nonsense, when cindy and george picked up that car, that is the day they knew for sure Caylee was dead, imo.

[desmom]

did Amy ever ride in the car with Casey?

Hmmm, I know she rode in Tone's car when Casey was driving his car while he was in NY. I am sure at one time or another she rode in Casey's car. IMO, it would have been before 6/16. Amy did not see much of Casey after she started dating Tone..well except when Tone went to NY and Casey had no where to stay.

Speaking of Casey having no where to stay when Tone went to NY...that speaks volumes to me about their relationship. If it was as serious as Casey hoped, wouldn't Tone allow her to stay there while he was out of state? I wonder how well she accepted that. Could this have been when Tone's apartment was burglarized? (page 12 http://www.wftv.com/_blank/18863600/detail.html )

jmo

[AMS]

Thinking about the smell makes my heart break. And then their ever-changing list of excuses for the smell like it was a game...

Justice for Caylee...

Imo

[Myka]

Apparently there was a small window of time, when both george and cindy revealed they knew exactly what the odor was and that is when they searched their own backyard. Even going as far as looking under Caylee's playhouse.

Then, soon after in my opinion, the coverup began. All this talk of a kidnapping nanny is total nonsense, when cindy and george picked up that car, that is the day they knew for sure Caylee was dead, imo.

ITA Scampi,

as soon as they both smelled the car, the cover up began

[trich]

Apparently there was a small window of time, when both george and cindy revealed they knew exactly what the odor was and that is when they searched their own backyard. Even going as far as looking under Caylee's playhouse.

Then, soon after in my opinion, the coverup began. All this talk of a kidnapping nanny is total nonsense, when cindy and george picked up that car, that is the day they knew for sure Caylee was dead, imo.

I hope the pros have a copy of Cindy telling the media she just was afraid when they opened the trunk they were going to find her daughter or grandaughter.

When she actually found Casey alive and well.....then they knew for sure and then she came up with the pizza (that was not there) story.
I would show that in the court room if I was the pros.

[Myka]

Hmmm, I know she rode in Tone's car when Casey was driving his car while he was in NY. I am sure at one time or another she rode in Casey's car. IMO, it would have been before 6/16. Amy did not see much of Casey after she started dating Tone..well except when Tone went to NY and Casey had no where to stay.

Speaking of Casey having no where to stay when Tone went to NY...that speaks volumes to me about their relationship. If it was as serious as Casey hoped, wouldn't Tone allow her to stay there while he was out of state? I wonder how well she accepted that. Could this have been when Tone's apartment was burglarized? (page 12 http://www.wftv.com/_blank/18863600/detail.html )

jmo


I wonder if Tone said the roommate didn't want Casey there while Tone was out of town?

[Explorer]

I wonder if Tone said the roommate didn't want Casey there while Tone was out of town?

I dont think Tone even liked her that much.

[Explorer]

Tone escaped her by the hair of his chinny chin chin.

[cassidy]

Apparently there was a small window of time, when both george and cindy revealed they knew exactly what the odor was and that is when they searched their own backyard. Even going as far as looking under Caylee's playhouse.

Then, soon after in my opinion, the coverup began. All this talk of a kidnapping nanny is total nonsense, when cindy and george picked up that car, that is the day they knew for sure Caylee was dead, imo.

That 911 call from Cindy was probably her one unguarded truthful moment. Her voice was full of fear and panic. Once she got off the phone and started putting 2 & 2 together, the frantic back peddling began in earnest and hasn't stopped yet. IMO she knew that nite that Caylee was dead, it just took a few moments to realize that Casey had done it.

[Explorer]

That 911 call from Cindy was probably her one unguarded truthful moment. Her voice was full of fear and panic. Once she got off the phone and started putting 2 & 2 together, the frantic back peddling began in earnest and hasn't stopped yet. IMO she knew that nite that Caylee was dead, it just took a few moments to realize that Casey had done it.

I believe that too. The 911 was genuine.

[Explorer]

I wonder if Tone said the roommate didn't want Casey there while Tone was out of town?

I think Tone suspected that something wasnt right about her.

[VII]

The odor caught Casey off guard imo. I think she did try to clean up the fluids that was causing the odor. She thought she had succeeded until the next time she got in the car after it had sat with the windows up and baked in the hot FL sun.

I have witnessed that smell. I can't imagine anyone being able to drive that car knowing the cause of the smell and it not bothering them physically or emotionally.

jmo

and the infamous Target shopping trip ...
She purchases a mega pack of paper towels.
I can't see purchasing a mega pack for the boys (Tone) ...
I've wondered if she was going to use those to try and clean up the decomp.

7

[Ladyhawk]

Hmmm, I know she rode in Tone's car when Casey was driving his car while he was in NY. I am sure at one time or another she rode in Casey's car. IMO, it would have been before 6/16. Amy did not see much of Casey after she started dating Tone..well except when Tone went to NY and Casey had no where to stay.

Speaking of Casey having no where to stay when Tone went to NY...that speaks volumes to me about their relationship. If it was as serious as Casey hoped, wouldn't Tone allow her to stay there while he was out of state? I wonder how well she accepted that. Could this have been when Tone's apartment was burglarized? (page 12 http://www.wftv.com/_blank/18863600/detail.html )

jmo

IMO, Tone didn't want her there because he knew (on some level) what kind of a girl she was and he knew the guys he was living with so to avoid any problems between everyone, he opted for no Casey in the casa.
She would not have had a problem with it if Tone put it to her that he really didn't want her doing anything around the apartment for his roomies, just him, cause she was his girl, etc....as long as he fed her ego she would have been okay with anything he said.

[apothecary]

early on, I felt sorry for Geo because he had to drive the car home from the impound yard and smell the death smell in the car.

Now, I don't feel sorry for him and I hope that smell haunts him for the rest of his life. I hope he wakes up every morning and recalls that day. I hope he thinks of that small and pukes every day, knowing that was poor little Caylee's decomp body
That goes double for me.I hope it haunts each one of them.They all smelled it.

[*MoonRider*]

I believe that too. The 911 was genuine.

GM, Casey was genuine in her 911 call on 9/18/08 too. :rolleyes:
http://www.wftv.com/video/17505002/index.html

[Rapunzel]

Morning Everyone.

Desmom thanks for the info and links...your the best.

It really makes a difference now a year later to realize and see what she was doing!!!

[Stella Rose]

Mornini all! Just popping in for a second - stupid work actually expects me to do something today.

So I went to the dentist yesterday and arrived a few minutes early. In the waiting room sat a little girl and her day. "Lorna" was, my hand to God, the spitting image of Caylee - she even had little (green) crocs on. Her hair, eyes... everything. I watched her play, smile, laugh, talk with her dad for a few minutes until I couldn't stand it anymore.

I thought of sweet Caylee, and how she never again would get to do those things. Never go to the dentist for her first teeth cleaning...

I was so shaken up, started to get teary... I told the receptionist I would be out in my car and to call me on the cell when they were ready for me.

Sorry for the novel here, but I know that only you all can understand how emotional it was. God knows everyone else probably would think I was certifiable.

[Rapunzel]

I agree that when C&G both smelled the car and knew it was the smell of decomposition and they found KC safe...it could only be one other person...Caylee...:sad:

[kOOkie1]

early on, I felt sorry for Geo because he had to drive the car home from the impound yard and smell the death smell in the car.

Now, I don't feel sorry for him and I hope that smell haunts him for the rest of his life. I hope he wakes up every morning and recalls that day. I hope he thinks of that small and pukes every day, knowing that was poor little Caylee's decomp body

Its just really sad they have made it to where we cant feel any compassion for them. The lose of their granddaughter..I feel for..but thats it. I have never understood how George could have gotten in that car after what he smelled. I dont understand why he didnt call 911 before leaving the impound lot.

[margaritaville]

Apparently there was a small window of time, when both george and cindy revealed they knew exactly what the odor was and that is when they searched their own backyard. Even going as far as looking under Caylee's playhouse.

Then, soon after in my opinion, the coverup began. All this talk of a kidnapping nanny is total nonsense, when cindy and george picked up that car, that is the day they knew for sure Caylee was dead, imo.

Bolding mine:
ITA...... George even told LE he knew what that smell was.
And they must have known that Mother of the year was capable of murder or why search their own back yard??

If they had ever thought that Caylee was kidnapped, they would have been PLEADING for the "kidnapper" to bring her home... And that NEVER happened... They knew Caylee was dead.. Even Cindy's family told them Caylee was dead and Casey killed her..
What I can't figure out though is why the cover up?
Why are they protecting Casey??
I know she is their daughter and they love her, but why protect her and lie for her? That is the part I will never understand...NEVER!!!:cursing:

[AMS]

Apparently there was a small window of time, when both george and cindy revealed they knew exactly what the odor was and that is when they searched their own backyard. Even going as far as looking under Caylee's playhouse.

Then, soon after in my opinion, the coverup began. All this talk of a kidnapping nanny is total nonsense, when cindy and george picked up that car, that is the day they knew for sure Caylee was dead, imo.


Good morning - do you think the Ant's made up the story of the nanny?

imo

[ellegna]

Apparently there was a small window of time, when both george and cindy revealed they knew exactly what the odor was and that is when they searched their own backyard. Even going as far as looking under Caylee's playhouse.

Then, soon after in my opinion, the coverup began. All this talk of a kidnapping nanny is total nonsense, when cindy and george picked up that car, that is the day they knew for sure Caylee was dead, imo.


Good morning

I have no doubt the A's knew from that moment at the tow yard Caylee was dead and the cover up began

If we could turn back time or hindsight was 20/20, can you imagine what the circumstances may have been
If the tow yard refused to allow the A's to leave the lot
If the tow yard called 911
If the police responded to the tow yard instead to the A's hours later

I can't even begin to imagine what could have been left in that trunk that would/could point directly at Casey :sad:

[desmom]

I wonder if Tone said the roommate didn't want Casey there while Tone was out of town?

He went out of town also. His flight left before Tone's page 9 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5686811/Casey-Anthony-Tony-Lazzaro-transcript-Sept-8-2008

jmo

[Rapunzel]

Mornini all! Just popping in for a second - stupid work actually expects me to do something today.

So I went to the dentist yesterday and arrived a few minutes early. In the waiting room sat a little girl and her day. "Lorna" was, my hand to God, the spitting image of Caylee - she even had little (green) crocs on. Her hair, eyes... everything. I watched her play, smile, laugh, talk with her dad for a few minutes until I couldn't stand it anymore.

I thought of sweet Caylee, and how she never again would get to do those things. Never go to the dentist for her first teeth cleaning...

I was so shaken up, started to get teary... I told the receptionist I would be out in my car and to call me on the cell when they were ready for me.

Sorry for the novel here, but I know that only you all can understand how emotional it was. God knows everyone else probably would think I was certifiable.

ITA Stella...I have also witnessed mommy's and little girls that look like Caylee...in a cart at the grocery store, crossing the street, in the doctors office...etc. and my mind always goes to HOW COULD ANYONE HARM A CHILD???
You have to be an evil sub human...or just people like KC I guess.
Caylee was never her daughter...she was a doll or toy to her, there was no real emotional attachment. She was also a pawn to her, to get whatever she needed from C&G...:sad::sad:

[desmom]

and the infamous Target shopping trip ...
She purchases a mega pack of paper towels.
I can't see purchasing a mega pack for the boys (Tone) ...
I've wondered if she was going to use those to try and clean up the decomp.

7

I agree VII, especially living in an apartment. jmo

[Sun]

That 911 call from Cindy was probably her one unguarded truthful moment. Her voice was full of fear and panic. Once she got off the phone and started putting 2 & 2 together, the frantic back peddling began in earnest and hasn't stopped yet. IMO she knew that nite that Caylee was dead, it just took a few moments to realize that Casey had done it.

Looking back over time, I think that all of the Anthonys knew that something had happened to Caylee, and they knew it way before July 15th. ....And, that Cindy's mind just was having great difficulites once she confronted Casey on July 15th, ....like having to face the reality all over again, and just trying to deny it. Lashing out to get someone to listen (she probably was sick of George telling it was going to be ok, because it sure didn't feel ok to "Cindy."). She wanted to tell someone that "she" was suffering because she was being denied Caylee. To me, those 911 calls were more about Cindy than anything. Her money, her car, her wanting someone to tell her what happened to Caylee. Having Casey right there, and the smell of death was just too much for her to be able to think straight and follow along with ignoring that Caylee ever existed. ....but her behavior between June 16th and July 15th, tells me that Cindy knew way earlier than July 15th.

[apothecary]

Its just really sad they have made it to where we cant feel any compassion for them. The lose of their granddaughter..I feel for..but thats it. I have never understood how George could have gotten in that car after what he smelled. I dont understand why he didnt call 911 before leaving the impound lot.
Sometimes I think that George and Cindy both knew when they actually picked up the car,and had already discussed what not to do.It would have been an automatic action to call LE if a former cop smelled that smell,never mind consult anyone.It was like he was prepared.They had been there earlier and did not have the money to pick up the car.

[kOOkie1]

Good morning

I have no doubt the A's knew from that moment at the tow yard Caylee was dead and the cover up began

If we could turn back time or hindsight was 20/20, can you imagine what the circumstances may have been
If the tow yard refused to allow the A's to leave the lot
If the tow yard called 911
If the police responded to the tow yard instead to the A's hours later

I can't even begin to imagine what could have been left in that trunk that would/could point directly at Casey :sad:

Exactly ellegna..they wanted to get to Casey before LE did!! I have wondered the same things myself. It should have been LE pulling Casey out of tonE apt. not Cindy. They had too much time together to come up with a coverup to save Casey's azz.

[jammies]

I dont think Tone even liked her that much.



Dont think she was the kind of girl Tony was going to bring home to dear old mom.
If he had been serious about her he would have invited her to NY. Instead, he goes alone and kicks her out of his apt.

[Scampi]

I hope the pros have a copy of Cindy telling the media she just was afraid when they opened the trunk they were going to find her daughter or grandaughter.

When she actually found Casey alive and well.....then they knew for sure and then she came up with the pizza (that was not there) story.
I would show that in the court room if I was the pros.


I would love for Linda Burdick-Drane to ask both anthonys why they searched their backyard, even moving the playhouse to look under it. What were you looking for cindy and george?

[Rapunzel]

Bolding mine:
ITA...... George even told LE he knew what that smell was.
And they must have known that Mother of the year was capable of murder or why search their own back yard??

If they had ever thought that Caylee was kidnapped, they would have been PLEADING for the "kidnapper" to bring her home... And that NEVER happened... They knew Caylee was dead.. Even Cindy's family told them Caylee was dead and Casey killed her..
What I can't figure out though is why the cover up?
Why are they protecting Casey??
I know she is their daughter and they love her, but why protect her and lie for her? That is the part I will never understand...NEVER!!!:cursing:

I think George does it because Cindy tells him to...we all know he has no _____. Cindy does it because she can...she is a control freak and if she would admit KC did something it would ruin the perfect image she had of her family. I also think some of it could be because of guilt. Knowing they should have done something and didn't.
Other factors such as just the dynamics of this family...I don't think any of them are totally mentally stable...they have warped priorities...warped sense of right and wrong.

[cassidy]

Looking back over time, I think that all of the Anthonys knew that something had happened to Caylee, and they knew it way before July 15th. ....And, that Cindy's mind just was having great difficulites once she confronted Casey on July 15th, ....like having to face the reality all over again, and just trying to deny it. Lashing out to get someone to listen (she probably was sick of George telling it was going to be ok, because it sure didn't feel ok to "Cindy."). She wanted to tell someone that "she" was suffering because she was being denied Caylee. To me, those 911 calls were more about Cindy than anything. Her money, her car, her wanting someone to tell her what happened to Caylee. Having Casey right there, and the smell of death was just too much for her to be able to think straight and follow along with ignoring that Caylee ever existed. ....but her behavior between June 16th and July 15th, tells me that Cindy knew way earlier than July 15th.

I think cindy suspected that Caylee was dead. I think the car smell confirmed it for her. I just don't think in her wildest imaginings she thought that Casey did it or she never would have made that call. I think that what she (Cindy) had just done hit her after the call was made. At any rate, she let down her guard for that one call and has probably regretted it ever since.

JMO

[JHP]

Sometimes I think that George and Cindy both knew when they actually picked up the car,and had already discussed what not to do.It would have been an automatic action to call LE if a former cop smelled that smell,never mind consult anyone.It was like he was prepared.They had been there earlier and did not have the money to pick up the car.

Maybe they just used the not having the money as an excuse to check the situation out. Give it a drive by, see how they needed to react.

[jammies]

I would love for Linda Burdick-Drane to ask both anthonys why they searched their backyard, even moving the playhouse to look under it. What were you looking for cindy and george?


That was a fatal error on Cindy's part. Her admission to searching the back yard, under the playhouse, etc., will come back to haunt her.

[Sun]

Sometimes I think that George and Cindy both knew when they actually picked up the car,and had already discussed what not to do.It would have been an automatic action to call LE if a former cop smelled that smell,never mind consult anyone.It was like he was prepared.They had been there earlier and did not have the money to pick up the car.

Seems to me that Lee was used on July 3rd to get Cindy back under control, and that he just wasn't able to quickly enough on July 15th. One thing is for sure, the entire Anthony family has lied to everyone from the get-go. JMO

[Explorer]

Dont think she was the kind of girl Tony was going to bring home to dear old mom.
If he had been serious about her he would have invited her to NY. Instead, he goes alone and kicks her out of his apt.

:thumbsup: Tone is not stupid. I think he was using her.

[cassidy]

I would love for Linda Burdick-Drane to ask both anthonys why they searched their backyard, even moving the playhouse to look under it. What were you looking for cindy and george?

No kidding! I hope they can get that in the questioning somehow.

JMO

[*Serenity*]

Good morning

I have no doubt the A's knew from that moment at the tow yard Caylee was dead and the cover up began

If we could turn back time or hindsight was 20/20, can you imagine what the circumstances may have been
If the tow yard refused to allow the A's to leave the lot
If the tow yard called 911
If the police responded to the tow yard instead to the A's hours later

I can't even begin to imagine what could have been left in that trunk that would/could point directly at Casey :sad:

After picking up the car, going back to work, then cleaning the car, Cindy phones Amy to track Casey down stating *she may go to jail*.
Also-- Cindy sends Casey a text message *big problem*. Amy
and Cindy had time to compare notes real quick in transit to retrieve Casey, then Cindy proceeds to inform Amy she will never get her
money back. Apparently Cindy threw another fit at TonE's and
informed him what a liar Casey was.

While Cindy was calling 911 the first time- I don't think Casey really cared about her Mother's threats, and the comment that her
Mother would get Caylee away from her-- well Casey didn't care
about that threat at all because she knew her Mother would
NEVER get Caylee ALIVE at that point. Casey let her Mother
threaten her with everything because she knew inside that
her Mother's rant would go no where, simply because Caylee
was dead. Of course as things progressed Casey wanted
another day to retrieve Caylee, and Cindy refused to settle
for another day since she already gave her 30-days! OUCH
to Casey and then the show begins! Her mentioning that she
talked to Caylee earlier that day was suppose to work-- and
OUCH again because that fueled the fire.

Cindy knew back on July 3rd myspace posting that Caylee
was in danger- yet she did nothing about that! Since
the car was in her name, and Casey would not show up
or bring Caylee home, she could have reported her car
stolen at that point-- but NO that would mean she would
put Casey in a BAD MOOD and she may never see Caylee
again. Casey threatened Cindy with Caylee and Cindy
threatened Casey with Caylee. The war was on between
the two of them over Caylee and Casey finally took care
of that problem-- her Mother would never see *that
little girl* again.

[Scampi]

Good morning - do you think the Ant's made up the story of the nanny?

imo

Hiya A! No, the OC had that fairytale going on as far back as when Richard Grund and his wife watched Caylee. Or do you mean that that's when they all decided to pin it on the invisible nanny, that sure is possible. Very possible.

[jammies]

:thumbsup: Tone is not stupid. I think he was using her.


Just like all her other boyfriends. (other than Jesse)

[Explorer]

Just like all her other boyfriends. (other than Jesse)

Poor Jesse I think he was a little on the naive side:sad:

[kOOkie1]

That was a fatal error on Cindy's part. Her admission to searching the back yard, under the playhouse, etc., will come back to haunt her.

That was a big one for Cindy when you really think about it. It does show where her mind went. I mean who does that?? Very odd.
what did she think something rotten from her fridge was going to be under there:sneaky:

[Tia]

ITA Scampi,

as soon as they both smelled the car, the cover up began

Good Morning!

I totally agree. I think they both knew what Casey did.

Poor Caylee.

[Explorer]

I hope that through all of this Jesse meets the girl of his dreams. He deserves that.

[BJames]

Good morning to all !

In retrospect I have wondered about a couple of things...
Why didn't Cindy ever ask about Caylee or where she was when she went to TonE's apartment to get Casey? According to TonE, his roomie and Amy...Cindy never mentioned Caylee.
Why did George call Lee to go over to the house when he went back to work? George told Lee (apparently) that Cindy was upset...but what was it that Lee could have done?
I honestly do believe that Cindy, George and Lee went into cover mode for Casey...I just don't think they were all on the same path. One didn't know what the other was saying/doing...hence the different stories.

Some things don't even make sense a year layer...I wonder where Cindy thought Caylee was when she took Casey from Tone's?

Just my opinion of course..

[Sun]

I think cindy suspected that Caylee was dead. I think the car smell confirmed it for her. I just don't think in her wildest imaginings she thought that Casey did it or she never would have made that call. I think that what she (Cindy) had just done hit her after the call was made. At any rate, she let down her guard for that one call and has probably regretted it ever since.

JMO

Cindy has let "slip" several times, things that she is probably thinking but had no intentions of saying outloud... but under stress, several times Cindy has just blurted out what is rattling around in that brain of hers.

I suspect that after George reported the Gas Can theft, that George and Cindy did a bit of close inspecting of their backyard, and even inside the home. Did they detect an odor of decomp near the playhouse at that time? I wish that I knew just when Cindy put in for that week of vacation that she took during the first week of July. George either quit his job or was fired at the end of June. I wish that I had access to his exact work days/hours for that period.

George and Cindy have attempted to mislead everyone into thinking that all was going along normally until July 15th..... just smells to me.

[Myka]

Good morning

I have no doubt the A's knew from that moment at the tow yard Caylee was dead and the cover up began

If we could turn back time or hindsight was 20/20, can you imagine what the circumstances may have been
If the tow yard refused to allow the A's to leave the lot
If the tow yard called 911
If the police responded to the tow yard instead to the A's hours later

I can't even begin to imagine what could have been left in that trunk that would/could point directly at Casey :sad:

I wonder if the tow yard employees smelled the car? The car was sitting there in the tow yard, day after day in the heat

[alisa31235]

That was a fatal error on Cindy's part. Her admission to searching the back yard, under the playhouse, etc., will come back to haunt her.

Good morning..... I believe this also and the 911 call when she said the car smelled like there had been a d*** dead body in it which is the only time I believe she has told the truth IMO

[Explorer]

Cindy has let "slip" several times, things that she is probably thinking but had no intentions of saying outloud... but under stress, several times Cindy has just blurted out what is rattling around in that brain of hers.

I suspect that after George reported the Gas Can theft, that George and Cindy did a bit of close inspecting of their backyard, and even inside the home. Did they detect an odor of decomp near the playhouse at that time? I wish that I knew just when Cindy put in for that week of vacation that she took during the first week of July. George either quit his job or was fired at the end of June. I wish that I had access to his exact work days/hours for that period.

George and Cindy have attempted to mislead everyone into thinking that all was going along normally until July 15th..... just smells to me.

Wonder if LE got his work records.

[AMS]

Hiya A! No, the OC had that fairytale going on as far back as when Richard Grund and his wife watched Caylee. Or do you mean that that's when they all decided to pin it on the invisible nanny, that sure is possible. Very possible.

Sorry I was not clear. I was wondering if you thought the Ant's were involved in deciding to put the blame on the nanny. Nothing would surprise me.....

imo

[Sun]

Poor Jesse I think he was a little on the naive side:sad:

A little? Ya'think. :lol: Poor fellow. She stole his heart, but she thought that he loved Caylee more than her, so she gave him the boot.

[Explorer]

Good morning to all !

In retrospect I have wondered about a couple of things...
Why didn't Cindy ever ask about Caylee or where she was when she went to TonE's apartment to get Casey? According to TonE, his roomie and Amy...Cindy never mentioned Caylee.
Why did George call Lee to go over to the house when he went back to work? George told Lee (apparently) that Cindy was upset...but what was it that Lee could have done?
I honestly do believe that Cindy, George and Lee went into cover mode for Casey...I just don't think they were all on the same path. One didn't know what the other was saying/doing...hence the different stories.

Some things don't even make sense a year layer...I wonder where Cindy thought Caylee was when she took Casey from Tone's?

Just my opinion of course..
Wonder that too. Why didnt cindy say wheres Caylee? unless she didnt want witnesses to know she suspected casey did something to Caylee.

[Explorer]

A little? Ya'think. :lol: Poor fellow. She stole his heart, but she thought that he loved Caylee more than her, so she gave him the boot.

Once bitten twice shy. I think Jesse may have wised up. They say everything happens for a reason and Jesse escaped a life of misery with the A clan.

[jammies]

Good morning..... I believe this also and the 911 call when she said the car smelled like there had been a d*** dead body in it which is the only time I believe she has told the truth IMO



Ditto! You just know Cindy would love to have a do-over. I believe a lot of her hostility is towards herself. "If only" she hadn't called 911.........

[Explorer]

Is anyone elses computer slow or freezing?

[jammies]

Wonder that too. Why didnt cindy say wheres Caylee? unless she didnt want witnesses to know she suspected casey did something to Caylee.


Makes no sense that Cindy didn't rip that place apart or didn't question the room-mates. Why WOULDN'T she assume that Caylee was there or HAD been there at one time?

[Sun]

Wonder if LE got his work records.

I've never seen the exact days or hours in the Discovery... I'm not quite sure if this is something that is important to convicting the murderer, ...so maybe not.

[*Serenity*]

Is anyone elses computer slow or freezing?

Not here...
Try re-booting.. sometimes that clears up the problem real quick for me.

[Sun]

Makes no sense that Cindy didn't rip that place apart or didn't question the room-mates. Why WOULDN'T she assume that Caylee was there or HAD been there at one time?

Agreed. Cindy "slipped up."

[alisa31235]

I wonder if the tow yard employees smelled the car? The car was sitting there in the tow yard, day after day in the heat

Didn`t Cindy say she went and talk to the tow yard guy and that somebody could have put a dead body in the car at the tow yard? I think she said this the day she was out in the yard with the hammer IMO

[*Serenity*]

Makes no sense that Cindy didn't rip that place apart or didn't question the room-mates. Why WOULDN'T she assume that Caylee was there or HAD been there at one time?

After Cindy and Amy retrieve Casey from TonE's.... I forget what the three of them talked about while in transit to take Amy home?
Anyone recall their conversation?

[Sun]

Once bitten twice shy. I think Jesse may have wised up. They say everything happens for a reason and Jesse escaped a life of misery with the A clan.

Back in July 2008, Jesse seemed a bit "conflicted" however, I believe that has changed by now. I suspect that Richard has provided Jesse with much support and fatherly advice too. :lol:

[Cynthia]

Thinking about the smell makes my heart break. And then their ever-changing list of excuses for the smell like it was a game...

Justice for Caylee...

Imo

couldn't imagine the smell, sad isn't it. My son left a bag of trash in his trunk for two weeks, yes two weeks. When he finally opened his trunk it was horrible. The trash bag had busted and it had leaked all over the trunk and maggots were having a field day. It took weeks and weeks of airing it out, air freshener, vacuuming, you name it we did it and finally after several months the smell has disappeared. Now that was trash, so a decomposing body, I can't and never want to smell that.

[kOOkie1]

Poor Jesse I think he was a little on the naive side:sad:



I agree..
yet it seems he knew what a Liar she was and always has been from what he told LE ..I wonder if he still remained close to Casey because he truly loved Caylee??..how sad she used Caylee against people.
I also wonder what the Casey showering at Jesse's was all about??

[desmom]

:thumbsup: Tone is not stupid. I think he was using her.

Who was using who? :lol:

Casey couldn't go home. Amy, Ricardo and JP didn't had room for her to move in full time. Casey didn't have anywhere to go, she had to move in with Tone.

[*Serenity*]

Didn`t Cindy say she went and talk to the tow yard guy and that somebody could have put a dead body in the car at the tow yard? I think she said this the day she was out in the yard with the hammer IMO


Yea-- Cindy was after anyone/everyone that had made statements to law enforcement. I posted a lot back then when I had time-- and I was having a fit that she was going after all the witness/s and their statements. IIRC this was right after the first doc dump and that doc drop had not been redacted-- showing phone numbers, addresses, etc.

Not sure if she went next door after the neighbor over the shovel.. she probably did!

[*Serenity*]

Who was using who? :lol:

Casey couldn't go home. Amy, Ricardo and JP didn't had room for her to move in full time. Casey didn't have anywhere to go, she had to move in with Tone.

And-- she couldn't live in her car due to the horrible smell.

Poor thing....

[jammies]

After Cindy and Amy retrieve Casey from TonE's.... I forget what the three of them talked about while in transit to take Amy home?
Anyone recall their conversation?


All I remember from Amy is that SHE didn't say anything. Imagine how uncomfortable that ride was for her? :scared:

[Tia]

I think Tone suspected that something wasnt right about her.

He is really lucky that he didn't ditch her before she was arrested-she'd be pizzed and pointing the finger at him.

[Explorer]

Back in July 2008, Jesse seemed a bit "conflicted" however, I believe that has changed by now. I suspect that Richard has provided Jesse with much support and fatherly advice too. :lol:

Your right. Jesse said thats not the casey I know. He didnt realize she was a nut case for a long time. She just had him hoodwinked.

[*Serenity*]

All I remember from Amy is that SHE didn't say anything. Imagine how uncomfortable that ride was for her? :scared:

I'm sure Cindy didn't badger Casey about Caylee in front of Amy--
that was a private matter! I would've been out of control at that point not caring who was around to hear anything.

[Rapunzel]

After Cindy and Amy retrieve Casey from TonE's.... I forget what the three of them talked about while in transit to take Amy home?
Anyone recall their conversation?

You can find it here...

http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_transcript_A_Huizenga072308.htm

[Explorer]

He is really lucky that he didn't ditch her before she was arrested-she'd be pizzed and pointing the finger at him.

Yes I agree and I thought it telling that they didnt accuse Tone of anything because they knew casey really liked him and she would be very angry at mummy and dadums if they did.

[Explorer]

I'm sure Cindy didn't badger Casey about Caylee in front of Amy--
that was a private matter! I would've been out of control at that point not caring who was around to hear anything.

Yes she couldnt have any witnesses.

[*Serenity*]

He is really lucky that he didn't ditch her before she was arrested-she'd be pizzed and pointing the finger at him.


Well she is pointing the finger at him now and Cindy has been for a long time. Casey didn't want the family talking to Jessie per the jail video.
She had to keep everybody sepearted in order to keep everyone on opposite sides and not compare notes.

[sammy62]

good morning everyone

:rose: to Desmond

I was listening to a utube by albatross234 and she had an interesting interpretation of the 911 call. She said if you listen to it...It sounds all rehearsed until the 911 operator asks Cindy a question...then she gets all flustered.

You have to admit that driving to the police station and the 911 auto theft call are strange too. But of course we are talking the A's.

Anyway its an interesting UTUBE.

911 calls http://www.wesh.com/news/16980706/detail.html

albatross234 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRfs4SCaoAk&feature=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7HKvA7qUU8&feature=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIYKI5-wtKg&feature=channel_page

[margaritaville]

Good morning

I have no doubt the A's knew from that moment at the tow yard Caylee was dead and the cover up began

If we could turn back time or hindsight was 20/20, can you imagine what the circumstances may have been
If the tow yard refused to allow the A's to leave the lot
If the tow yard called 911
If the police responded to the tow yard instead to the A's hours later

I can't even begin to imagine what could have been left in that trunk that would/could point directly at Casey :sad:

Oh no kidding!! Lets see here how about..........

Hummmm. Death wax on the pants that Cindy so conveniently washed.

More then 1 hair with a death band.



for starters....

MOO

[BJames]

So I suppose I am wondering when (or if) Cindy ever told the 'truth' about the 'nanny'?
Cindy told LE that sure...she had the number and address written at home in a book somewhere...? Yet...when she was questioning Casey after she got her home from TonE's she wanted Casey to take her to Caylee...who was at the 'nanny's'...even Lee told her he would go just to make sure Caylee was 'ok'..
If Cindy knew this 'nanny' or at the very least a phone number and/or address...why would she be waiting for Casey to OK it and take her there..or even to make a phone call?
Both stories just can not be 'true'...

Just my opinion of course..

[Tia]

Well she is pointing the finger at him now and Cindy has been for a long time. Casey didn't want the family talking to Jessie per the jail video.
She had to keep everybody sepearted in order to keep everyone on opposite sides and not compare notes.

I was talking about TonE, not Jessie. She sure threw him under the bus with her "I don't trust Jessie" comment.

[Explorer]

I was talking about TonE, not Jessie. She sure threw him under the bus with her "I don't trust Jessie" comment.

She has such nerve. She knew the cameras were on her. And the whole time her parents are there anguished. What a louse.

[Unleashed]

Good morning, all :seeya:

Someone on last night's thread mentioned about Caylee beginning to talk, and the nanny. Isn't it odd that when the nanny was mentioned at home, which she must have been, as in 'how was your day, Caylee, did you have fun with the nanny..or fun with zanny..' or something like that, that Caylee would not have responded with something along the lines of 'no nanny, just mommy' or words to that effect?
I cannot believe the subject never came up.


JMO

[BJames]

I was talking about TonE, not Jessie. She sure threw him under the bus with her "I don't trust Jessie" comment.

Isn't that sooo interesting tho?

She continually uses..'Casey said...' and tends to put it forth as gospel, from a chick that has lied and stolen...and lied......and lied.
But both of these guys seem to have decent lives and education and jobs and families...but let's toss them because if she can draw the attention away from Casey with 'how bad' TonE and Jesse are (only in her eyes)...it takes the onus off of her lying daughter and her poor dead grandaughter.
If it wasn't so freaking sad..it would might be laughable.

Just my opinion of course...

[*Serenity*]

She has such nerve. She knew the cameras were on her. And the whole time her parents are there anguished. What a louse.

Was that right around the same time Casey asks her Dad, why is she crying already? Cindy has her head lying on the table in front of the phones. Cindy wanted Casey to look her in the eyes and she wouldn't, iirc that was the same interview she jumps up out of chair and suddenly needs to talk to someone behind the curtain.

[Tia]

She has such nerve. She knew the cameras were on her. And the whole time her parents are there anguished. What a louse.

She sure is.

The Grunds have shown such class and caring for Caylee (more than the Ant's thats for sure!) that no one bought into Casey's "I don't trust Jessie" comment.

[Daffodil]

Good morning

I have no doubt the A's knew from that moment at the tow yard Caylee was dead and the cover up began

If we could turn back time or hindsight was 20/20, can you imagine what the circumstances may have been
If the tow yard refused to allow the A's to leave the lot
If the tow yard called 911
If the police responded to the tow yard instead to the A's hours later

I can't even begin to imagine what could have been left in that trunk that would/could point directly at Casey :sad:



I think they knew well before the tow yard. Why else the big explanation about why they didn't respond to the registered letter sooner (notice left on front door, they never use the front door). Why would you need to explain it at all?

I also think George mentioned his granddaughter missing in hopes that the tow yard would call the police. But that didn't happen. Maybe they were trying to figure out what to do next. But if the tow yard called the police, there is the 31 days of not reporting Caylee missing. But maybe they felt that then all suspicion would be off of them?

[*Serenity*]

Good morning, all :seeya:

Someone on last night's thread mentioned about Caylee beginning to talk, and the nanny. Isn't it odd that when the nanny was mentioned at home, which she must have been, as in 'how was your day, Caylee, did you have fun with the nanny..or fun with zanny..' or something like that, that Caylee would not have responded with something along the lines of 'no nanny, just mommy' or words to that effect?
I cannot believe the subject never came up.


JMO

I thought George commented about Caylee never really acknowledging the Nanny.

What I find sad besides this horrible crime is: during Caylee's life she is never with any other children. Day care or pre school would have placed her with other children working on her social skills and interaction with other children playing. Poor Caylee lived in her car seat and drug from one lover or friend to another's home and put to sleep wherever Casey put her.

[ellegna]

I wonder if the tow yard employees smelled the car? The car was sitting there in the tow yard, day after day in the heat

Has it ever been mentioned where the A's car was located in the tow yard?
If the car was parked somewhere where there was little human traffic and the windows are rolled up I believe the odor would be contained and not detected. If Caylee's body was still in the trunk (sorry) I'm sure the odor would have intensified, detected and checked out.

[Barbara fl.]

So I suppose I am wondering when (or if) Cindy ever told the 'truth' about the 'nanny'?
Cindy told LE that sure...she had the number and address written at home in a book somewhere...? Yet...when she was questioning Casey after she got her home from TonE's she wanted Casey to take her to Caylee...who was at the 'nanny's'...even Lee told her he would go just to make sure Caylee was 'ok'..
If Cindy knew this 'nanny' or at the very least a phone number and/or address...why would she be waiting for Casey to OK it and take her there..or even to make a phone call?
Both stories just can not be 'true'...

Just my opinion of course..


Good morning,

Your opinion is a very good one....Casey got all her habits of lying from her mother....it seems to run in this family....Like you said, if Cindy had ANY numbers or addresses as to where this "Zenaida" lived or could be reached Cindy would have been right on it....

I also remember at one point that Cindy said on th media that she had all the numbers for Zenaida but that LE wouldn't take them.....what a crock.....Cindy would have publicized them just to clear her daughter, had she really had them...

The Anthony's learned very early in the case how to try and reach any potential jurors....and they said what ever came to them at the time....like all those fake sightings...expecially the one that they were supposed to be checking out when on their way to the Larry King show (that they never got around to do) because Caylee's remains had been found...so instead they went to a fancy restaurant to eat......

[ellegna]

I thought George commented about Caylee never really acknowledging the Nanny.

What I find sad besides this horrible crime is: during Caylee's life she is never with any other children. Day care or pre school would have placed her with other children working on her social skills and interaction with other children playing. Poor Caylee lived in her car seat and drug from one lover or friend to another's home and put to sleep wherever Casey put her.

I thought of that too. :crying:
All the pictures we've seen, majority are Caylee with adults. No children.

[Barbara fl.]

She has such nerve. She knew the cameras were on her. And the whole time her parents are there anguished. What a louse.

Your right, she was always putting on a show for the media.....except for the one time that she lost it with her parents, because she couldn't hold back her anger any longer.....even though she new she was being taped, she had to let herself go for that minute....It probably was that anger that showed all the time in their home....

[kOOkie1]

I thought George commented about Caylee never really acknowledging the Nanny.

What I find sad besides this horrible crime is: during Caylee's life she is never with any other children. Day care or pre school would have placed her with other children working on her social skills and interaction with other children playing. Poor Caylee lived in her car seat and drug from one lover or friend to another's home and put to sleep wherever Casey put her.

So sad Serenity..just heartbreaking. Now we have also gotten a glimpse of what the A's dynamics were in the home and what poor Caylee had to be subjected to. All the arguments and yelling matches that must have went on. When we see some of the little home movies of Caylee with Casey filming its just so eerie with no interaction from her.

[BlueHeron]

I thought George commented about Caylee never really acknowledging the Nanny.

What I find sad besides this horrible crime is: during Caylee's life she is never with any other children. Day care or pre school would have placed her with other children working on her social skills and interaction with other children playing. Poor Caylee lived in her car seat and drug from one lover or friend to another's home and put to sleep wherever Casey put her.

I believe kc's friend Christina (the only person I've heard cry over Caylee in this group) had a child that played with Caylee, didn't she?

[apothecary]

I think they knew well before the tow yard. Why else the big explanation about why they didn't respond to the registered letter sooner (notice left on front door, they never use the front door). Why would you need to explain it at all?

I also think George mentioned his granddaughter missing in hopes that the tow yard would call the police. But that didn't happen. Maybe they were trying to figure out what to do next. But if the tow yard called the police, there is the 31 days of not reporting Caylee missing. But maybe they felt that then all suspicion would be off of them?
Yep,Daffy..As far as G and C SAID they knew,the baby was with the nanny,But the baby was missing,the nanny was missing and there was a death smell in the car.Again,the first instinct is to call LE in such a situation especially if one thinks something bad may have happened.George just mentions that his gd is missing.When they opened the trunk there was total silence from G.As if he did not know what to say or think.You would think he would comment something about being relieved.At that point I think the toward guy just assumed it was the garbage that stunk and did not think to call the cops.George knew better and still did not call LE.

[Barbara fl.]

Has it ever been mentioned where the A's car was located in the tow yard?
If the car was parked somewhere where there was little human traffic and the windows are rolled up I believe the odor would be contained and not detected. If Caylee's body was still in the trunk (sorry) I'm sure the odor would have intensified, detected and checked out.


It was parked right by a dumpster at the end of the parking lot....but the tow driver said that you were able to smell the odor just going near the car.....George smelled it as soon as he neared the car, which is when the tow guy opened the trunk and they saw a bag of garbage....the tow guy then said "oh, this must be where it is coming from"...but the tow guy also said that he recognized the odor from a previous car that was brought in when a man had died in it....And it was also learned later that there was no pizza in the bag, just remnants of a pizza....

[Daffodil]

Yep,Daffy..As far as G and C SAID they knew,the baby was with the nanny,But the baby was missing,the nanny was missing and there was a death smell in the car.Again,the first instinct is to call LE in such a situation especially if one thinks something bad may have happened.George just mentions that his gd is missing.When they opened the trunk there was total silence from G.As if he did not know what to say or think.You would think he would comment something about being relieved.At that point I think the toward guy just assumed it was the garbage that stunk and did not think to call the cops.George knew better and still did not call LE.


I am sure they had a plan and things just weren't going as they thought. I wonder if we will ever know what their original plan was and how things changed.

[read-in]

Good Morning All,

Just came out of lurkdom for a moment.

Just had a really crazy thought, and I thougt I would just throw it out there..

Does anyone think, that casey may have wanted the gas cans to destroy all Evidense, such as Burning the Body??? (sorrry not to sound cruel) perhaps she could never find a " good spot".

just one of my FLB ideas that i think up sometimes.
Try to go easy on me, its still early in Calif..

JMVO....Stay well Friends:smile:

[*Serenity*]

So sad Serenity..just heartbreaking. Now we have also gotten a glimpse of what the A's dynamics were in the home and what poor Caylee had to be subjected to. All the arguments and yelling matches that must have went on. When we see some of the little home movies of Caylee with Casey filming its just so eerie with no interaction from her.

AND on top of all of this Caylee's other babysitter was the televison.
Watching cartoons and all of those movies. Anything- to keep this
child out of everyone's hair. I recall some of them mentioning how much she watched her movies and spongebob. Yet- she never had any interaction with other children. I don't even recall seeing any pictures of her at Disney, at the park playing in the swings or with any other children, not even McDonalds playground. Every single photo is at their home, some of Casey's boyfriends/or friends places, or the carseat. I do recall the beach photos but no other children.
Even the birthday party photos have no children... :shrug:

[Snoopy50]

Apparently there was a small window of time, when both george and cindy revealed they knew exactly what the odor was and that is when they searched their own backyard. Even going as far as looking under Caylee's playhouse.

Then, soon after in my opinion, the coverup began. All this talk of a kidnapping nanny is total nonsense, when cindy and george picked up that car, that is the day they knew for sure Caylee was dead, imo.

You are so right. That day has always been the day I felt was the day they knew Caylee was gone forever. What I don't understand is how any grandparent could dismiss this so easily and do what they are doing to protect the person responsible for the loss of that baby. Go figure.:confused:

[*Serenity*]

I believe kc's friend Christina (the only person I've heard cry over Caylee in this group) had a child that played with Caylee, didn't she?


Yea, I do recall that but have to wonder how often Casey would take her to play/interact, since she was so involved with all of texting, computer time, and boyfriends. Christina was truly torn apart talking to Casey on that first jail house phone call, and later on Lee made the comment how that was one of his big mistakes- having Casey talk to Christina.

[5boxersmom]

Morning everyone.

I also found it odd that Cindy told Amy in the car that she had to find Casey or she was going to go to jail.

imo

[Explorer]

AND on top of all of this Caylee's other babysitter was the televison.
Watching cartoons and all of those movies. Anything- to keep this
child out of everyone's hair. I recall some of them mentioning how much she watched her movies and spongebob. Yet- she never had any interaction with other children. I don't even recall seeing any pictures of her at Disney, at the park playing in the swings or with any other children, not even McDonalds playground. Every single photo is at their home, some of Casey's boyfriends/or friends places, or the carseat. I do recall the beach photos but no other children.
Even the birthday party photos have no children... :shrug:

They were raising Caylee the same way they raised casey:mad:

[Sun]

And-- she couldn't live in her car due to the horrible smell.

Poor thing....

chuckles.... Casey sure wasn't doing too good on her own.

[*Serenity*]

You are so right. That day has always been the day I felt was the day they knew Caylee was gone forever. What I don't understand is how any grandparent could dismiss this so easily and do what they are doing to protect the person responsible for the loss of that baby. Go figure.:confused:


I recall Cindy stating that her and Casey were both at peace--
Casey couldn't change what happened and Cindy couldn't change what happened. This wasn't too long after her statement of : she has already lost one and she is not about to lose another one.
I don't have the time frames in exact order- but those comments spoke volumes to me.

[AnnieBell]

Good morning, all :seeya:

Someone on last night's thread mentioned about Caylee beginning to talk, and the nanny. Isn't it odd that when the nanny was mentioned at home, which she must have been, as in 'how was your day, Caylee, did you have fun with the nanny..or fun with zanny..' or something like that, that Caylee would not have responded with something along the lines of 'no nanny, just mommy' or words to that effect?
I cannot believe the subject never came up.


JMO

The reason it never came up was because George and Cindy knew there wasn't a nanny. IMO they went along with casey's charade b/c they couldn't/wouldn't handle the truth.

[kOOkie1]

Morning everyone.

I also found it odd that Cindy told Amy in the car that she had to find Casey or she was going to go to jail.

imo

Very!!
Can you imagine that ride for Amy finding out all the lies Casey had been telling her about them moving in to the home together..etc.
There Amy had literally just returned from PR just to find out Casey was not who she thought she was..wiped out of all her money and later that eve. finding out Caylee was missing.:huh:

[margaritaville]

Good morning - do you think the Ant's made up the story of the nanny?

imo

no... I think Casey made up Zanny the nanny along time ago. She used "zanny" as her excuse to stay out all night long and be gone all day...
Sure Caylee was never with the Nanny she was actually with mommy..sleeping over at Ricardo's house with Caylee...
I read Cindy thought she was working or sleeping over with Caylee at "Zanny's house"...sounds like Casey used that a lot.
Because both CA and GA said it was not unusual for them to stay with "Zanny"..

Casey needed a Zanny to get her out of the house at night with Caylee. otherwise she was stuck there with GA and CA...

It actually was a great excuse until she turned the *hot* Zanny (10) into a murderer...

[Unleashed]

Good Morning All,

Just came out of lurkdom for a moment.

Just had a really crazy thought, and I thougt I would just throw it out there..

Does anyone think, that casey may have wanted the gas cans to destroy all Evidense, such as Burning the Body??? (sorrry not to sound cruel) perhaps she could never find a " good spot".

just one of my FLB ideas that i think up sometimes.
Try to go easy on me, its still early in Calif..

JMVO....Stay well Friends:smile:


Not crazy at all, read-in. Maybe the body AND the car?

Welcome out of lurkdom!

jmo

[*Serenity*]

no... I think Casey made up Zanny the nanny along time ago. She used "zanny" as her excuse to stay out all night long and be gone all day...
Sure Caylee was never with the Nanny she was actually with mommy..sleeping over at Ricardo's house with Caylee...
I read Cindy thought she was working or sleeping over with Caylee at "Zanny's house"...sounds like Casey used that a lot.
Because both CA and GA said it was not unusual for them to stay with "Zanny"..

Casey needed a Zanny to get her out of the house at night with Caylee. otherwise she was stuck there with GA and CA...

It actually was a great excuse until she turned the *hot* Zanny (10) into a murderer...
I have always thought the real Nanny was the car. If Caylee wasn't with G/C and she was spending nights at TonE's with NO Caylee-- where was Caylee? How many times did Casey knock her out with something and Caylee actually slept in the trunk of the car? I can't come up with any other place that child could have stayed.

[ladeebug565]

That was a fatal error on Cindy's part. Her admission to searching the back yard, under the playhouse, etc., will come back to haunt her.

Do you think it's possible George & Cindy smelled the decomp in the back yard and that's why they set about searching? I know the dogs hit on it and she claimed they were inconsistent, but perhaps she already knew the smell was there?

Also, to hear Cindy backpeddle on the cause of the odor has me puzzled. On the 911 call, it was a dead body, then it was pizza, then it was (in front of her house to reporters and bystanders) possible someone put a dead body in the trunk after the tow yard. She questioned the security at the lot.

[AnnieBell]

Good Morning All,

Just came out of lurkdom for a moment.

Just had a really crazy thought, and I thougt I would just throw it out there..

Does anyone think, that casey may have wanted the gas cans to destroy all Evidense, such as Burning the Body??? (sorrry not to sound cruel) perhaps she could never find a " good spot".

just one of my FLB ideas that i think up sometimes.
Try to go easy on me, its still early in Calif..

JMVO....Stay well Friends:smile:

Very good point. It's ideas like your's that help break cases.:biggrin:

[~layla~]

Okay so now there are 2 children lost on the Appalacian trail... ironic.

back to thread.
Does anyone have a decent guess on a trial date? Im kinda bored with all the speculation... cuz we have speculated pretty much EVERYTHING and Id like to get to the point. Convict Casey and be done with her.

[Explorer]

Not crazy at all, read-in. Maybe the body AND the car?

Welcome out of lurkdom!

jmo

Get rid of the body and the evidence and the smell.

[Snoopy50]

I thought George commented about Caylee never really acknowledging the Nanny.

What I find sad besides this horrible crime is: during Caylee's life she is never with any other children. Day care or pre school would have placed her with other children working on her social skills and interaction with other children playing. Poor Caylee lived in her car seat and drug from one lover or friend to another's home and put to sleep wherever Casey put her.

This is such a sad thought. Hard to imagine, but at least now Caylee is finally loved and protected.

[margaritaville]

I wonder if the tow yard employees smelled the car? The car was sitting there in the tow yard, day after day in the heat


Well didn't the employee make a statement that the car smelled the same as the car they recieved that man had died in.......IIRC

[Unleashed]

The reason it never came up was because George and Cindy knew there wasn't a nanny. IMO they went along with casey's charade b/c they couldn't/wouldn't handle the truth.

:punch: to me.

For reasons I cannot fathom now that the coffee has kicked in, I was giving them the benefit of the doubt.


JMO

[Barbara fl.]

Good Morning All,

Just came out of lurkdom for a moment.

Just had a really crazy thought, and I thougt I would just throw it out there..

Does anyone think, that casey may have wanted the gas cans to destroy all Evidense, such as Burning the Body??? (sorrry not to sound cruel) perhaps she could never find a " good spot".

just one of my FLB ideas that i think up sometimes.
Try to go easy on me, its still early in Calif..

JMVO....Stay well Friends:smile:


I too thought that at one point....but seeing as she didn't have gas in the car she couldn't have gone very far in any case....I believe that she didn't contemplate having to dispose of the body and probably thought it was going to be easy, but when she found out it wasn't going to be, she rode around with it for a couple of days before dumping it in the spot it was found.....However, I think she had all intentions of going back to move it to a more secure location but never got around to it.....I believe that is why she wrapped te body in several bags (thinking it would be ok till she was able to get back)....JMO

[Explorer]

Do you think it's possible George & Cindy smelled the decomp in the back yard and that's why they set about searching? I know the dogs hit on it and she claimed they were inconsistent, but perhaps she already knew the smell was there?

Also, to hear Cindy backpeddle on the cause of the odor has me puzzled. On the 911 call, it was a dead body, then it was pizza, then it was (in front of her house to reporters and bystanders) possible someone put a dead body in the trunk after the tow yard. She questioned the security at the lot.

Nature is demanding justice for caylee.

[read-in]

Get rid of the body and the evidence and the smell.

Thats kind of the what i was thinking, if she could have burned the carpet liner as well, it may have reduced the odor in the car...
no decomp smell, no body, no murder, no evidense...
except, how would you ever find a secluded place, and not have anyone notice????
Just rambling...

[Barbara fl.]

You are so right. That day has always been the day I felt was the day they knew Caylee was gone forever. What I don't understand is how any grandparent could dismiss this so easily and do what they are doing to protect the person responsible for the loss of that baby. Go figure.:confused:


That too, I could never figure...I would have been crazy, I would have been able to be heard for miles....and there probably would have been nothing left of Casey when I got thru with her.....

This whole family has just dismissed Caylee from their lives, like she never existed.....like they are blaming poor Caylee for Casey being in trouble.....

[AnnieBell]

I have always thought the real Nanny was the car. If Caylee wasn't with G/C and she was spending nights at TonE's with NO Caylee-- where was Caylee? How many times did Casey knock her out with something and Caylee actually slept in the trunk of the car? I can't come up with any other place that child could have stayed.

Nanny the car fits. When casey was jumping from bed to bed I think Caylee was home with Cindy which may have been fanning the flame of contention leading up to the big pow wow that Sunday. I don't think Caylee was chronically sedated with the chloraform or we would have seen elevated titers in the chemical anaylsis done with the hair strands. Cindy is a lot more involved in the murder of Caylee then previous suspected.(of course MOO)

[Snoopy50]

Well didn't the employee make a statement that the car smelled the same as the car they recieved that man had died in.......IIRC
They sure did.

[~layla~]

:punch: to me.

For reasons I cannot fathom now that the coffee has kicked in, I was giving them the benefit of the doubt.


JMO

LOL'ing
I learned soooo long ago not to give them the benefit of anything.

[*Serenity*]

This is such a sad thought. Hard to imagine, but at least now Caylee is finally loved and protected.

When I look at Caylee's room, and the backyard-- they bought her everything in the world leaving her alone to entertain herself.
Sure- she had a room overloaded with material things, dozens of
shoes and clothing, a backyard full of everything a child could
want-- yet no one to play with or anyone to interact with.
I don't think anyone in that family loved her-- it was a material
show and a constant war over WHO would be watching her or
taking care of her.

The entire family failed her miserably- not only in life but also
in death.

[Sun]

It seems to me that there are several motions/requests for protective orders before the court, and no court hearings have been set to hear them. I wonder if the court is having difficulties in setting dates for them, due to the schedules of the Baez's "team?"

[margaritaville]

Makes no sense that Cindy didn't rip that place apart or didn't question the room-mates. Why WOULDN'T she assume that Caylee was there or HAD been there at one time?

Especially when Cindy tells the police that she wasn't worried about Caylee being gone for 31 days because she knew that Caylee was with Casey..(Mother of the year)
But she doesn't question Casey as to where she is while she is dragging Casey out of Tone's house!! that makes no sense... She tell LE that she believed Caylee was safe and with Casey.....But no "where is Caylee?"....:confused:

Which is another thing that I am so curious about.. Here you have Casey, who murdered Caylee...You have Cindy show up to a house that she shouldn't even know about and Casey just leaves with her??? Casey had to know that she was totally busted at that moment! Why go with her?? Why not tell her you are not leaving with her? If Casey had been really smart she would have gone inside asked Tone to borrow his car and split... Why go with Cindy?? She then begs Cindy for 1 more day..(Probably would have taken off at that point) For a girl that seemed to be in control of her parents..Her leaving with Cindy, really shows who is the Boss....imho

[Barbara fl.]

Well didn't the employee make a statement that the car smelled the same as the car they recieved that man had died in.......IIRC


Yes, he did.......and he too will probably be a witness for the state...

[no1what]

Hmmm, I know she rode in Tone's car when Casey was driving his car while he was in NY. I am sure at one time or another she rode in Casey's car. IMO, it would have been before 6/16. Amy did not see much of Casey after she started dating Tone..well except when Tone went to NY and Casey had no where to stay.

Speaking of Casey having no where to stay when Tone went to NY...that speaks volumes to me about their relationship. If it was as serious as Casey hoped, wouldn't Tone allow her to stay there while he was out of state? I wonder how well she accepted that. Could this have been when Tone's apartment was burglarized? (page 12 http://www.wftv.com/_blank/18863600/detail.html )

jmo

Is there a recording of a phone call between Casey and TonE when she was in jail per this wire tap approval? We know Casey got his number from her brother and wanted to call but did she... and if she did is there evidence of the conversation?

[martha]

Good morning everyone.ITA with everyone that thinks g and c knew when they first smelled the car odor. They knew then casey had done something to caylee. Lee knew too. They have all known all this time and they or just trying to save casey behind. I hate to think casey did this to caylee but so far no one elce had a reason to harm caylee. I will never understand why she did not just give caylee to her mother and move out on her own and live like she wanted to. Maybe cindy did not want to take on the job of raising caylee I just don;t know but if cindy did tell casey she was not taking that job on then that could be the reason cindy is trying to get casey of because she feels so guilty for saying that. I can see cindy telling her that caylee was her child and her job to raise her. Maybe cindy was just so mad at casey she said a lot of things to her she did not mean. now she is trying to make up for all of it., I just don;t know and don;t understand how casey could harm caylee no matter how mad she was at her mother.jmho

[Explorer]

Good Morning All,

Just came out of lurkdom for a moment.

Just had a really crazy thought, and I thougt I would just throw it out there..

Does anyone think, that casey may have wanted the gas cans to destroy all Evidense, such as Burning the Body??? (sorrry not to sound cruel) perhaps she could never find a " good spot".

just one of my FLB ideas that i think up sometimes.
Try to go easy on me, its still early in Calif..

JMVO....Stay well Friends:smile:

Very good theory. She would have to come up with a story on how the car came to be burned. She was probably too busy being in love and all.

[read-in]

I too thought that at one point....but seeing as she didn't have gas in the car she couldn't have gone very far in any case....I believe that she didn't contemplate having to dispose of the body and probably thought it was going to be easy, but when she found out it wasn't going to be, she rode around with it for a couple of days before dumping it in the spot it was found.....However, I think she had all intentions of going back to move it to a more secure location but never got around to it.....I believe that is why she wrapped te body in several bags (thinking it would be ok till she was able to get back)....JMO

You are so right barb, if casey acually did have gas, she would have put it in her tank
no sense in her wasting it... jmo

[Barbara fl.]

Yea, I do recall that but have to wonder how often Casey would take her to play/interact, since she was so involved with all of texting, computer time, and boyfriends. Christina was truly torn apart talking to Casey on that first jail house phone call, and later on Lee made the comment how that was one of his big mistakes- having Casey talk to Christina.


Your right, I forgot about that...Christine lived down the street from the Anthony's and would baby sit at times for Caylee....but I believe she said that she hadn't watched Caylee for some time...so maybe it was when Caylee was a toddler.....

And she was the only one that I heard cry for Caylee also....I don't think this family misses Caylee at all....I honestly believe that they blame poor Caylee for all this trouble.....

[Snoopy50]

When I look at Caylee's room, and the backyard-- they bought her everything in the world leaving her alone to entertain herself.
Sure- she had a room overloaded with material things, dozens of
shoes and clothing, a backyard full of everything a child could
want-- yet no one to play with or anyone to interact with.
I don't think anyone in that family loved her-- it was a material
show and a constant war over WHO would be watching her or
taking care of her.

The entire family failed her miserably- not only in life but also
in death.
This is one of the most insightful posts I have read, and also so sad.:sad:

[Unleashed]

LOL'ing
I learned soooo long ago not to give them the benefit of anything.

I'm all better now. Shouldn't drink ant Koolaid before coffee.

JMO

[~layla~]

Idk if we have this info but has it been said or whispered (*snoopy50) about that there was any type of memorial at the site ... or maybe Im asking wrong. I was wondering if Casey ever went back to the site she left her babys body/

[martha]

That too, I could never figure...I would have been crazy, I would have been able to be heard for miles....and there probably would have been nothing left of Casey when I got thru with her.....

This whole family has just dismissed Caylee from their lives, like she never existed.....like they are blaming poor Caylee for Casey being in trouble.....ITA with you casey would look different now after I finished with her knowing she had done sonething to caylee. I will never understand the a;s or casey. If you can take the life of a child your own child you can do anything and maybe casey was going to get rid of c and g next. she sure don;t love them. If she did she could not hurt them the way she has.jmho

[Daffodil]

Nanny the car fits. When casey was jumping from bed to bed I think Caylee was home with Cindy which may have been fanning the flame of contention leading up to the big pow wow that Sunday. I don't think Caylee was chronically sedated with the chloraform or we would have seen elevated titers in the chemical anaylsis done with the hair strands. Cindy is a lot more involved in the murder of Caylee then previous suspected.(of course MOO)



Why do you think Cindy is a lot more involved in the murder of Caylee than previous suspected? I have always thought so also just can't really poinpoint it. What are your reasons?

[*Serenity*]

Good morning everyone.ITA with everyone that thinks g and c knew when they first smelled the car odor. They knew then casey had done something to caylee. Lee knew too. They have all known all this time and they or just trying to save casey behind. I hate to think casey did this to caylee but so far no one elce had a reason to harm caylee. I will never understand why she did not just give caylee to her mother and move out on her own and live like she wanted to. Maybe cindy did not want to take on the job of raising caylee I just don;t know but if cindy did tell casey she was not taking that job on then that could be the reason cindy is trying to get casey of because she feels so guilty for saying that. I can see cindy telling her that caylee was her child and her job to raise her. Maybe cindy was just so mad at casey she said a lot of things to her she did not mean. now she is trying to make up for all of it., I just don;t know and don;t understand how casey could harm caylee no matter how mad she was at her mother.jmho

She would NEVER surrender Caylee over to Cindy! Caylee was Casey's meal ticket to live at home free, have free daycare, have free food, and Casey could live the life of no working and sleeping aroudn.

IF Casey would have surrendered Caylee over to Cindy-- Casey simply could not manage a life on her own. A good example is how she was lving after she killed Caylee. No place to live, lying, stealing anything in sight, and hopping from one place to the other. She had no resources and was NOT about to get a real job.

She couldn't do this- it would have impossible for Casey to live the good life without Cindy.

[Barbara fl.]

I have always thought that if Cindy had immediately realized after they got the car from the tow lot that Caylee was dead and Casey murdered her, she would never have called the police. If she hadn't, Casey would be living her "Beautiful life" without the encumbrance of a kid and everybody would be told that Caylee is living with a relative. No one would ever know what really happened and life would go on as usual for the Anthonys, except for that one thing. And I believe that if Casey were not arrested, both of the Anthonys would now be deceased, victims of mysterious accidental deaths. Casey, of course would own the house and it would be a crash pad for all her friends.

I can't for the life of me understand so many people, especially in LE and the media, referring to the Anthonys as "Grieving grandparents." Nothing they do indicates any grief at this point, and they are only working toward accumulating a fortune and trying to help Casey get out of jail. Driving a racecar and waving to the crowd as if she were a celebrity doesn't look like grieving to me. The performance of both Anthonys at the Gonzales depositions indicated to me that they were both enjoying being clowns. No grief there. Even when George gets mad at someone, it doesn't seem like real anger. It looks like someone trying to act as if they were angry.

I think they are both behaving as uncaring, unrepentant, greedy oafs. They no longer give two cents about Caylee. Their "Focus" is now on making money and helping their murdering daughter escape justice. They have no shame.


I agree with all you say...and I also believe that Cindy and George would have been next....If Casey would have gotten away with killing Caylee, thee is no doubt in my mind that her parents would have been next....

Casey is a very cold individual....that is why I do not go along with the accident theory..and never did....If a loving mother accidently murdered her child, she would be in no condition to keep up a lie, or to go out and party and shop with another's credit card....If it had truly been an accident and she got scared and hid the body, she still would have shown signs of grief.....

I have never ONCE seen her cry for Caylee.....the ONLY tears she ever shed was when she was going to jail......she even had the audacity to tell her parents that she wanted to be home when her daughter got there (knowing good and well that Caylee was dead and would never be coming home)...she was still trying to manipulate her parents to get her out of jail....that is why I am so content with knowing she is where she hates....in jail, where she belongs....

[spiritwolf46]

I have always thought that if Cindy had immediately realized after they got the car from the tow lot that Caylee was dead and Casey murdered her, she would never have called the police. If she hadn't, Casey would be living her "Beautiful life" without the encumbrance of a kid and everybody would be told that Caylee is living with a relative. No one would ever know what really happened and life would go on as usual for the Anthonys, except for that one thing. And I believe that if Casey were not arrested, both of the Anthonys would now be deceased, victims of mysterious accidental deaths. Casey, of course would own the house and it would be a crash pad for all her friends.

I can't for the life of me understand so many people, especially in LE and the media, referring to the Anthonys as "Grieving grandparents." Nothing they do indicates any grief at this point, and they are only working toward accumulating a fortune and trying to help Casey get out of jail. Driving a racecar and waving to the crowd as if she were a celebrity doesn't look like grieving to me. The performance of both Anthonys at the Gonzales depositions indicated to me that they were both enjoying being clowns. No grief there. Even when George gets mad at someone, it doesn't seem like real anger. It looks like someone trying to act as if they were angry.

I think they are both behaving as uncaring, unrepentant, greedy oafs. They no longer give two cents about Caylee. Their "Focus" is now on making money and helping their murdering daughter escape justice. They have no shame.

Bolding mine and a HUGE good morning to you all!

I so agree with all that you wrote! I am thinking that if most of the media said what they are thinking, that some would think they were on a witch hunt, so they down play it.

NOT that it is right, by any means, but I think that this is why a lot of them coddle those vile people.

I wish so bad that more than Kathi Belich would call those people out for who they truly are. Gone are the days giving them any kind of sympathy what so ever! They have never earned it, so why give it to them? Like you said, they are all about themselves and about not working and making money off their poor deceased granddaughter. To them, something good came out of this, didn't it? They make me sick!

[bchand]

Is there a recording of a phone call between Casey and TonE when she was in jail per this wire tap approval? We know Casey got his number from her brother and wanted to call but did she... and if she did is there evidence of the conversation?

IIRC no1what, she DID call him but he didn't accept the call.

[Barbara fl.]

ITA with you casey would look different now after I finished with her knowing she had done sonething to caylee. I will never understand the a;s or casey. If you can take the life of a child your own child you can do anything and maybe casey was going to get rid of c and g next. she sure don;t love them. If she did she could not hurt them the way she has.jmho



Agree 100%......and I know it must have crossed Cindy and George's mind during this whole ordeal....but they would never admit to it....

[Snoopy50]

I'm all better now. Shouldn't drink ant Koolaid before coffee.

JMO
It's amazing how much effect coffee has on us, isn't it? Goodness, we can question our opinions about how awful the A's are, and we can spend hours cleaning a keyboard too. Powerful thing that coffee.:tonguewag:

[Barbara fl.]

IIRC no1what, she DID call him but he didn't accept the call.



I certainly understand why he didn't....but I wish he had, just to hear what lie Casey would have said to him....

[kitty1182]

good morning everyone

:rose: to Desmond

I was listening to a utube by albatross234 and she had an interesting interpretation of the 911 call. She said if you listen to it...It sounds all rehearsed until the 911 operator asks Cindy a question...then she gets all flustered.

You have to admit that driving to the police station and the 911 auto theft call are strange too. But of course we are talking the A's.

Anyway its an interesting UTUBE.

911 calls http://www.wesh.com/news/16980706/detail.html

albatross234 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRfs4SCaoAk&feature=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7HKvA7qUU8&feature=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIYKI5-wtKg&feature=channel_page


Thanks, very interesting..Some of the other ones on there are interesting too:wink:

[Scampi]

Well, there sure was a sea change in cindy's attitude from when she grabbed the OC out of Lazarro's apartment, dropped off Amy, then drove to a police station in an effort to force the OC to tell her where Caylee was.

That police station was closed. I have always wondered what would have happened had it been open?

After the 911 call from that closed police station parking lot, they went home. During this period of time, I think the OC and cindy may have concocted the kidnapping nanny fairytale.

[margaritaville]

Yea, I do recall that but have to wonder how often Casey would take her to play/interact, since she was so involved with all of texting, computer time, and boyfriends. Christina was truly torn apart talking to Casey on that first jail house phone call, and later on Lee made the comment how that was one of his big mistakes- having Casey talk to Christina.


Really I hadn't heard that... Makes sense though..We never would have heard Casey say "calling you guys a waste, huge waste"

[Snoopy50]

Well, there sure was a sea change in cindy's attitude from when she grabbed the OC out of Lazarro's apartment, dropped off Amy, then drove to a police station in an effort to force the OC to tell her where Caylee was.

That police station was closed. I have always wondered what would have happened had it been open?

After the 911 call from that closed police station parking lot, they went home. During this period of time, I think the OC and cindy may have concocted the kidnapping nanny fairytale.
Don't forget....this was also the time that Cindy helped herself to Amy's remaining money from Casey's purse. For some reason, that action has always stuck with me as being one of the most appalling moments.:mad:

[Barbara fl.]

Idk if we have this info but has it been said or whispered (*snoopy50) about that there was any type of memorial at the site ... or maybe Im asking wrong. I was wondering if Casey ever went back to the site she left her babys body/


If you mean after her release, she couldn't because she had the braclet on (the one she was asking to have removed but instead got arrested for murder one :biggrin:)....But I guess no one would know if she ever went back there prior to that...But after seeing what kind of person she is, i'm sure she preferred to enjoy her freedom and never gave Caylee a second thought.....(she thought she was home free after that month)......Surprise...! :scared:

[Barbara fl.]

Don't forget....this was also the time that Cindy helped herself to Amy's remaining money from Casey's purse. For some reason, that action has always stuck with me as being one of the most appalling moments.:mad:


Yes, it showed exactly what kind of people they are.....

[spiritwolf46]

Don't forget....this was also the time that Cindy helped herself to Amy's remaining money from Casey's purse. For some reason, that action has always stuck with me as being one of the most appalling moments.:mad:

Hi Snoop! :seeya:

Me, too! I wonder if Amy ever got that back and if not, if she can go after Cindy for it!

[JHP]

Don't forget....this was also the time that Cindy helped herself to Amy's remaining money from Casey's purse. For some reason, that action has always stuck with me as being one of the most appalling moments.:mad:


I too think this is EXTREMLY questionable behavior. It would be one thing if Cindy paid Amy back all the money Casey stole. But to me it points as Cindy is a thief also and thinks it's okay.

Maybe Cindy was the one stealing her parents money.

[Snoopy50]

Hi Snoop! :seeya:

Me, too! I wonder if Amy ever got that back and if not, if she can go after Cindy for it!
Hi Spirit!:seeya:
Somehow I suspect that poor Amy never saw a penny of the money that the Anthony family stole from her. Maybe someone should tell her to sue Cindy for it in small claims since Cindy seems to be rolling in money these days.:cursing:

[Barbara fl.]

Hi Spirit!:seeya:
Somehow I suspect that poor Amy never saw a penny of the money that the Anthony family stole from her. Maybe someone should tell her to sue Cindy for it in small claims since Cindy seems to be rolling in money these days.:cursing:




I believe the bank refunded the money to Amy...which probably give the bank to the right to bring federal charges against Casey, to recoup their loss....(I wonder if they ever did?)

[Cynthia]

Bottomline....Cindy is an enabler. She allowed Casey to act as she did and then did everything to fix or ignore her screw-ups. This is much bigger obviously for Cindy and she isn't in complete control so her focus is staying on "how can I control what is happening to Casey".

[marshmallow]

Especially when Cindy tells the police that she wasn't worried about Caylee being gone for 31 days because she knew that Caylee was with Casey..(Mother of the year)
But she doesn't question Casey as to where she is while she is dragging Casey out of Tone's house!! that makes no sense... She tell LE that she believed Caylee was safe and with Casey.....But no "where is Caylee?"....:confused:

Which is another thing that I am so curious about.. Here you have Casey, who murdered Caylee...You have Cindy show up to a house that she shouldn't even know about and Casey just leaves with her??? Casey had to know that she was totally busted at that moment! Why go with her?? Why not tell her you are not leaving with her? If Casey had been really smart she would have gone inside asked Tone to borrow his car and split... Why go with Cindy?? She then begs Cindy for 1 more day..(Probably would have taken off at that point) For a girl that seemed to be in control of her parents..Her leaving with Cindy, really shows who is the Boss....imho



I think she left with Cindy that way to avoid the scene she knew was coming. She knew Amy was with Cindy so she knew the issues ccoming out and didn't want Tone to hear it. I think she figured she'd con Cindy like always and be back there by evening.

[Tia]

I too think this is EXTREMLY questionable behavior. It would be one thing if Cindy paid Amy back all the money Casey stole. But to me it points as Cindy is a thief also and thinks it's okay.

Maybe Cindy was the one stealing her parents money.


Its SO easy to see why Casey turned out the way she did!!!

:sneaky:

[BJames]

I have pondered why Casey actually went with Cindy when she showed up at TonE's apartment...I still have a hard time with Cindy not asking about Caylee tho.
It feels as if when confronted by Cindy, Casey slipped back into 'I'm the kid, you're my mom' mode. It seems that no matter what had transpired with Casey and her mother in the past Cindy always tended to clear the path for her...saved her from herself I guess.
I think somewhere in Casey's mind she thought if she could just get past it with her mother...everything could work out OK. And it might have....I don't believe that Casey ever counted on Cindy calling the police. And even if she did....when Lee was talking to Casey it appeared that she thought LE would just believe her that Caylee was 'at the Nanny's'.
It makes sense in a way because of the control that Cindy wields over Casey in the name of being her 'mother'...In Casey's mind she should be taken the same way since she was Caylee's 'mother'. How dare they question her?...she's her mother..I wonder how many times Casey probably heard that come out of Cindy's mouth in regards to her?

I think if they could take anything back at all...it would be that last 911 call. They would have 'handled' it within the 'family'...

Just my opinion of course...

[Barbara fl.]

I think she left with Cindy that way to avoid the scene she knew was coming. She knew Amy was with Cindy so she knew the issues ccoming out and didn't want Tone to hear it. I think she figured she'd con Cindy like always and be back there by evening.


I totally agree....she had all intentions of going back to TonE's...she thought she would be able to convince her mother that Caylee was with Zenaida......

[penguinlady]

Maybe the reason we don't see any other children in pictures is that you would have to get permission from the parents. Also IF there are pictures with Caylee with other kids the A's probably couldn't sell them.

Just a thought.

IMO
K!

[Snoopy50]

I believe the bank refunded the money to Amy...which probably give the bank to the right to bring federal charges against Casey, to recoup their loss....(I wonder if they ever did?)

Ah...makes sense. Thanks for the info Barb.

[Snoopy50]

Maybe the reason we don't see any other children in pictures is that you would have to get permission from the parents. Also IF there are pictures with Caylee with other kids the A's probably couldn't sell them.

Just a thought.

IMO
K! I really do not believe Caylee had playmates. Sadly.:sad:

[JHP]

Its SO easy to see why Casey turned out the way she did!!!

:sneaky:

It also explains why they have a minute number of friends/supporters. I wonder if we will ever get the whole story?

[BJames]

I totally agree....she had all intentions of going back to TonE's...she thought she would be able to convince her mother that Caylee was with Zenaida......

I agree...Casey thought if she could smooth it over with Cindy things would be 'fine'...I don't think she ever counted on the police being called, let alone having to explain to them. Thus far in her life she had only had to 'explain' to mom..as long as she believed Casey and sold it to others..life was good.
The police are just not that sold on 'because I said so...'


Just my opinion of course...

[*Serenity*]

Maybe the reason we don't see any other children in pictures is that you would have to get permission from the parents. Also IF there are pictures with Caylee with other kids the A's probably couldn't sell them.

Just a thought.

IMO
K!

All the photos Casey posted on the internet and photos in custody of LE still have no photos of her with other children. If LE had photos of other children with Caylee they could have blacked them out from the public. Caylee lived a lonely life- she watched movies, sat in the backseat of the car in her car seat with her Momma Doll and landed wherever Casey put her at a boyfriends/ or friends home to sleep.

[happygert]

I have pondered why Casey actually went with Cindy when she showed up at TonE's apartment...I still have a hard time with Cindy not asking about Caylee tho.
It feels as if when confronted by Cindy, Casey slipped back into 'I'm the kid, you're my mom' mode. It seems that no matter what had transpired with Casey and her mother in the past Cindy always tended to clear the path for her...saved her from herself I guess.
I think somewhere in Casey's mind she thought if she could just get past it with her mother...everything could work out OK. And it might have....I don't believe that Casey ever counted on Cindy calling the police. And even if she did....when Lee was talking to Casey it appeared that she thought LE would just believe her that Caylee was 'at the Nanny's'.
It makes sense in a way because of the control that Cindy wields over Casey in the name of being her 'mother'...In Casey's mind she should be taken the same way since she was Caylee's 'mother'. How dare they question her?...she's her mother..I wonder how many times Casey probably heard that come out of Cindy's mouth in regards to her?

I think if they could take anything back at all...it would be that last 911 call. They would have 'handled' it within the 'family'...

Just my opinion of course...

If they had thought about it longer no calls would have been made . They would have told everyone casey put Caylee up for adoption so no questions would have been asked about where Caylee was, junked the car, waited until Caylee was completely decomposed got her little body buried her in back yard and then rearranged back yard. and casey would have went back to her bed hopping stealing lying partying ways. No one would be the wiser..

[Tia]

It also explains why they have a minute number of friends/supporters. I wonder if we will ever get the whole story?

I bet we do. I have a feeling someone is going to crack. I think Geo almost did when he attempted suicide and left the note. These people just can't shut up! Even as Geo was preparing to off himself he had to have the last word by writing a suicide note!!

[sammy62]

I have pondered why Casey actually went with Cindy when she showed up at TonE's apartment...I still have a hard time with Cindy not asking about Caylee tho.
It feels as if when confronted by Cindy, Casey slipped back into 'I'm the kid, you're my mom' mode. It seems that no matter what had transpired with Casey and her mother in the past Cindy always tended to clear the path for her...saved her from herself I guess.
I think somewhere in Casey's mind she thought if she could just get past it with her mother...everything could work out OK. And it might have....I don't believe that Casey ever counted on Cindy calling the police. And even if she did....when Lee was talking to Casey it appeared that she thought LE would just believe her that Caylee was 'at the Nanny's'.
It makes sense in a way because of the control that Cindy wields over Casey in the name of being her 'mother'...In Casey's mind she should be taken the same way since she was Caylee's 'mother'. How dare they question her?...she's her mother..I wonder how many times Casey probably heard that come out of Cindy's mouth in regards to her?

I think if they could take anything back at all...it would be that last 911 call. They would have 'handled' it within the 'family'...

Just my opinion of course...


What if Cindy knew from the first...father's day that caylee was dead. And gave Casey 30 days to "take care of things"....

[*Serenity*]

I really do not believe Caylee had playmates. Sadly.:sad:

All of Casey's friends were single with no children. Casey did not interact with other Mother's that had children, like she should have been doing. IMO

AND if other children were around Caylee LE would have interviewed the parents of the children, etc. IMO We would have heard something about someone in this child's life along the way.. I would think.

[Cynthia]

All the photos Casey posted on the internet and photos in custody of LE still have no photos of her with other children. If LE had photos of other children with Caylee they could have blacked them out from the public. Caylee lived a lonely life- she watched movies, sat in the backseat of the car in her car seat with her Momma Doll and landed wherever Casey put her at a boyfriends/ or friends home to sleep.

Isn't that the truth. Forgot which of Casey's male friends said he loved to walk in and see Caylee. She would always say to him "what up dude". :sad:

[Sun]

Originally Posted by martha
Good morning everyone.ITA with everyone that thinks g and c knew when they first smelled the car odor. They knew then casey had done something to caylee. Lee knew too. They have all known all this time and they or just trying to save casey behind. I hate to think casey did this to caylee but so far no one elce had a reason to harm caylee. I will never understand why she did not just give caylee to her mother and move out on her own and live like she wanted to. Maybe cindy did not want to take on the job of raising caylee I just don;t know but if cindy did tell casey she was not taking that job on then that could be the reason cindy is trying to get casey of because she feels so guilty for saying that. I can see cindy telling her that caylee was her child and her job to raise her. Maybe cindy was just so mad at casey she said a lot of things to her she did not mean. now she is trying to make up for all of it., I just don;t know and don;t understand how casey could harm caylee no matter how mad she was at her mother.jmho

Casey was jealous of Caylee. Jealous because she was seeing Caylee take over her place as the "princess" in the Anthony family. Casey eliminated her competition. In Casey's mind, she was most likely feeling that everyone loved Caylee more than they loved Casey. Just giving Caylee to Cindy would not solve these issues for Casey. She HAD to kill Caylee. Casey was trying to find a ticket out of the Anthony house, but the boyfriends that she had recently been hooking up with, were not looking to have a "package deal" move in with them.

[Tia]

If they had thought about it longer no calls would have been made . They would have told everyone casey put Caylee up for adoption so no questions would have been asked about where Caylee was, junked the car, waited until Caylee was completely decomposed got her little body buried her in back yard and then rearranged back yard. and casey would have went back to her bed hopping stealing lying partying ways. No one would be the wiser..

I totally agree with you. I bet Cindy's biggest regret is making the 911 calls.

Then again, maybe she was thinking ahead to the $$. IMO, Cindy thinks the public is so stupid that I am sure she thought we'd buy the Zanny the Nanny garbage and financially support the "grieving" family and their foundation forever.

[~layla~]

If you mean after her release, she couldn't because she had the braclet on (the one she was asking to have removed but instead got arrested for murder one :biggrin:)....But I guess no one would know if she ever went back there prior to that...But after seeing what kind of person she is, i'm sure she preferred to enjoy her freedom and never gave Caylee a second thought.....(she thought she was home free after that month)......Surprise...! :scared:

I meant prior to the arrests... but some socio's like to believe they are in control .. which is why people return to the scene of the crime.

[BJames]

What if Cindy knew from the first...father's day that caylee was dead. And gave Casey 30 days to "take care of things"....


Then that would explain more than a couple of things...it does beg the question of why Cindy would have made that last 911 call though.
I would love to say that I can not believe that Cindy knew...however....so many things have proven to be true in this case that I just can not discount anything anymore.
I don't want to believe it....but when it comes to the Anthony family? One never knows...or at least I don't.

Just my opinion of course...

[spiritwolf46]

Its SO easy to see why Casey turned out the way she did!!!

:sneaky:

It SURE is!

[*Serenity*]

What if Cindy knew from the first...father's day that caylee was dead. And gave Casey 30 days to "take care of things"....


I am trying real hard here to recall some of the facts about Cindy seeking help from a counselor-- and IIRC she had been advised to step up to plate and give Casey some tough love- ie: get out of her home and start taking responsibility. Cindy at one point could not see doing this because Casey and Caylee had no place to go-- no resources-- and (this is huge) NO JOB. But- after the turn of events with Casey stealing from her Mother-- (not once but 2-3 times iirc) Cindy finally exploded after her and Caylee's trip on Fathers Day. I truly believe that Fathers Day night is when the final straw came about-- and Casey took off with Caylee and put an end to the battle forever.

I am still trying to recall the fact or whereabouts that Cindy was seeking help from a counselor.

:shrug:

[shelkobe]

I have pondered why Casey actually went with Cindy when she showed up at TonE's apartment...I still have a hard time with Cindy not asking about Caylee tho.
It feels as if when confronted by Cindy, Casey slipped back into 'I'm the kid, you're my mom' mode. It seems that no matter what had transpired with Casey and her mother in the past Cindy always tended to clear the path for her...saved her from herself I guess.
I think somewhere in Casey's mind she thought if she could just get past it with her mother...everything could work out OK. And it might have....I don't believe that Casey ever counted on Cindy calling the police. And even if she did....when Lee was talking to Casey it appeared that she thought LE would just believe her that Caylee was 'at the Nanny's'.
It makes sense in a way because of the control that Cindy wields over Casey in the name of being her 'mother'...In Casey's mind she should be taken the same way since she was Caylee's 'mother'. How dare they question her?...she's her mother..I wonder how many times Casey probably heard that come out of Cindy's mouth in regards to her?

I think if they could take anything back at all...it would be that last 911 call. They would have 'handled' it within the 'family'...

Just my opinion of course...
This is a good post, a lot of interesting points.

[Barbara fl.]

All of Casey's friends were single with no children. Casey did not interact with other Mother's that had children, like she should have been doing. IMO

AND if other children were around Caylee LE would have interviewed the parents of the children, etc. IMO We would have heard something about someone in this child's life along the way.. I would think.



The only thing about that is that in Florida things are alot different then other places....Florida is mainly an old age home and the young people here usually keep their children in their home or in their own back yard....there really isn't too much mingling going on...I put my grandkids in different programs so that they can be around other children...my granddaughter joined cheerleaders, drum club, talent shows etc...the little guy goes to Karati classes (so he can beat me up:crying:)....but other then that, even the parks are empty.....

Day care is the best....but I doubt that the Anthony's were able to afford day care...it usually runs about 120.00 per week.....That is probably why Cindy never questioned where Caylee was during the time that Casey was supposedly working....If they really cared about Caylee, she would have been in day care, even if they all had to chip in for it.....but I don't think Cindy was willing to kick out any money.....and we all know that Casey wasn't working......

[*Serenity*]

Casey was jealous of Caylee. Jealous because she was seeing Caylee take over her place as the "princess" in the Anthony family. Casey eliminated her competition. In Casey's mind, she was most likely feeling that everyone loved Caylee more than they loved Casey. Just giving Caylee to Cindy would not solve these issues for Casey. She HAD to kill Caylee. Casey was trying to find a ticket out of the Anthony house, but the boyfriends that she had recently been hooking up with, were not looking to have a "package deal" move in with them.


Ah ha... moment here. TonE DID NOT want 'girls' for children.

[Sun]

What if Cindy knew from the first...father's day that caylee was dead. And gave Casey 30 days to "take care of things"....

Cindy isn't telling the truth about what occured on Father's Day, and neither is Casey. It's likely that we may not know what really happened.

It baffles me that Baez first came out and stated that we would hear the truth at the trial, and now Conway is also saying that we have to wait until the trial for the truth to come out. I keep wonder just who will be telling the truth at the trial? And, why do Cindy and George think that the trial will reveal any more facts that we already know?

[Imperfect4]

Back in July 2008, Jesse seemed a bit "conflicted" however, I believe that has changed by now. I suspect that Richard has provided Jesse with much support and fatherly advice too. :lol:

Seems like Jesse was raised to be a straight shooter. As a straight shooter in his late teens - early 20's, he probably expected everyone was a straight shooter. It takes awhile, if you're a person of pure heart, to catch on that others are not. Especially when you're young and in love.

I'm so glad he got out of that mess. Hopefully, he won't be too damaged by what the Ants and Casey's defense team are trying to cook up against him.

[sammy62]

I am trying real hard here to recall some of the facts about Cindy seeking help from a counselor-- and IIRC she had been advised to step up to plate and give Casey some tough love- ie: get out of her home and start taking responsibility. Cindy at one point could not see doing this because Casey and Caylee had no place to go-- no resources-- and (this is huge) NO JOB. But- after the turn of events with Casey stealing from her Mother-- (not once but 2-3 times iirc) Cindy finally exploded after her and Caylee's trip on Fathers Day. I truly believe that Fathers Day night is when the final straw came about-- and Casey took off with Caylee and put an end to the battle forever.

I am still trying to recall the fact or whereabouts that Cindy was seeking help from a counselor.

:shrug:

I think Cindy's mother or brother Rick said it. I'll look for the links later if anyone wants it.

[Barbara fl.]

I meant prior to the arrests... but some socio's like to believe they are in control .. which is why people return to the scene of the crime.



Your right...like Scott Peterson....kept going back to the spot where he put Laci and Conner....

[101Spots]

Is there a recording of a phone call between Casey and TonE when she was in jail per this wire tap approval? We know Casey got his number from her brother and wanted to call but did she... and if she did is there evidence of the conversation?

He hung up on her when she called.

Ain't love grand?

[Unleashed]

I am trying real hard here to recall some of the facts about Cindy seeking help from a counselor-- and IIRC she had been advised to step up to plate and give Casey some tough love- ie: get out of her home and start taking responsibility. Cindy at one point could not see doing this because Casey and Caylee had no place to go-- no resources-- and (this is huge) NO JOB. But- after the turn of events with Casey stealing from her Mother-- (not once but 2-3 times iirc) Cindy finally exploded after her and Caylee's trip on Fathers Day. I truly believe that Fathers Day night is when the final straw came about-- and Casey took off with Caylee and put an end to the battle forever.

I am still trying to recall the fact or whereabouts that Cindy was seeking help from a counselor.

:shrug:

Try not to use 'facts' and 'Cindy' so close together in the same sentence. Pretty much an oxymoron ~jumbo shrimp~,~ factual Cindy~, you know.

I think she said it on LKL the second time, someone will correct me if that's wrong.

And I agree about Father's Day night being the night Casey did the deed.

JMO

JMO

[*Serenity*]

The only thing about that is that in Florida things are alot different then other places....Florida is mainly an old age home and the young people here usually keep their children in their home or in their own back yard....there really isn't too much mingling going on...I put my grandkids in different programs so that they can be around other children...my granddaughter joined cheerleaders, drum club, talent shows etc...the little guy goes to Karati classes (so he can beat me up:crying:)....but other then that, even the parks are empty.....

Day care is the best....but I doubt that the Anthony's were able to afford day care...it usually runs about 120.00 per week.....That is probably why Cindy never questioned where Caylee was during the time that Casey was supposedly working....If they really cared about Caylee, she would have been in day care, even if they all had to chip in for it.....but I don't think Cindy was willing to kick out any money.....and we all know that Casey wasn't working......

See-- that's where I say NONE of them really put Caylee first or cared about her welfare. Afford to put her in daycare? When I look at her room, backyard, and all of the shoes/clothing she had-- that was a huge waste of resources and a true sign of neglecting to manage their finances. Casey carried on the lie of having a job to party it up. They couldn't ask the State to step in and assist Caylee for healthcare or daycare because that would mean they would HAVE to disclose this mystery Father's idenity. It was a NO WIN for Caylee at every turn.

IMO

[Snoopy50]

The only thing about that is that in Florida things are alot different then other places....Florida is mainly an old age home and the young people here usually keep their children in their home or in their own back yard....there really isn't too much mingling going on...I put my grandkids in different programs so that they can be around other children...my granddaughter joined cheerleaders, drum club, talent shows etc...the little guy goes to Karati classes (so he can beat me up:crying:)....but other then that, even the parks are empty.....

Day care is the best....but I doubt that the Anthony's were able to afford day care...it usually runs about 120.00 per week.....That is probably why Cindy never questioned where Caylee was during the time that Casey was supposedly working....If they really cared about Caylee, she would have been in day care, even if they all had to chip in for it.....but I don't think Cindy was willing to kick out any money.....and we all know that Casey wasn't working......

All of this is good information (especially knowing that your grandson can beat you up these days). You're right, IF they cared for that baby, they would have given her opportunities to have a normal childhood, instead they plied her with material things, and used her in a tug of war between two lunatics. She never stood a chance. IMO Day care would have given her so much......:glare: but instead......they let her rot, both in life then in death. Monsters...all of them.

[Sun]

Then that would explain more than a couple of things...it does beg the question of why Cindy would have made that last 911 call though.
I would love to say that I can not believe that Cindy knew...however....so many things have proven to be true in this case that I just can not discount anything anymore.
I don't want to believe it....but when it comes to the Anthony family? One never knows...or at least I don't.

Just my opinion of course...

I tend to think that Cindy's warped mind could have been having a difficult time facing that Caylee was dead.... no matter when she found out. And, that Cindy experienced this difficulty off and on for quite a while. And, that Casey could do such a horrible thing to Cindy.

[*Serenity*]

Cindy isn't telling the truth about what occured on Father's Day, and neither is Casey. It's likely that we may not know what really happened.

It baffles me that Baez first came out and stated that we would hear the truth at the trial, and now Conway is also saying that we have to wait until the trial for the truth to come out. I keep wonder just who will be telling the truth at the trial? And, why do Cindy and George think that the trial will reveal any more facts that we already know?

Don't forget: Cindy told Casey in jailhouse video that they forgave her for anything that she said or did-- AND Casey assured Cindy : don't worry I haven't said anything. The BIG Fathers Day blowout if you ask me. But who knows-- it could be anything BIG with this crew.

[happygert]

I totally agree with you. I bet Cindy's biggest regret is making the 911 calls.

Then again, maybe she was thinking ahead to the $$. IMO, Cindy thinks the public is so stupid that I am sure she thought we'd buy the Zanny the Nanny garbage and financially support the "grieving" family and their foundation forever.

yes. It looks like they have made more money off of their dead granddaughter then they ever have in there life.. I guess for them crime does pay.. even if it's at the life of a 2 year innocent baby that they claim to love but fail to protect her in life. Now in death they sell everything they can get their money grubbing hands on that was Caylee's picture's are not even sacred to them.
Then they go in front of a Judge begging not to release the autopsy report not to tarnish Caylee's memory.. WTH are they talking about? They've made it perfectly clear where there priorities lay. Its with the murderer and the all mighty dollar that they can make off Caylee.

Grieving grandparents my azz..its greedy grandparents..

[Barbara fl.]

I agree...Casey thought if she could smooth it over with Cindy things would be 'fine'...I don't think she ever counted on the police being called, let alone having to explain to them. Thus far in her life she had only had to 'explain' to mom..as long as she believed Casey and sold it to others..life was good.
The police are just not that sold on 'because I said so...'


Just my opinion of course...


My honest opinion is that Cindy thought it was just a big fight she had with Casey and that Casey was deliberately keeping her away from Caylee to be spiteful.....I believe that it went like that for the whole 31 days....up until the car was found, then Cindy and George became alarmed but were in hope that they were wrong with their thoughts (which probably were that Caylee was deceased) they didn't want to believe it and overlooked all the signs.....BUT, then when the denial was over (which had to be within a few days) they realized that they were in big trouble and that their daughter had done something terrible to Caylee....from that point on they went into cover up for Casey mode......They became so worried about their daughter being charged with murder that they didn't have time nor the concern for Caylee any longer....it turned into all being about Casey.....

They were so engrossed with protecting Casey that when the body was actually found (it was not a surprise to them that Caylee was deceased) but they knew that meant their daughter was going to jail for life....

Therefore poor little Caylee was cast aside once again.....that even the memorial for her was done to help Casey....This family has totally forgotten about the little girl who was full of life and had her whole life ahead of her and was murdered by her own mother.....that the Anthony's don't care about...but only trying to get their daughter off.....

[Snoopy50]

yes. It looks like they have made more money off of their dead granddaughter then they ever have in there life.. I guess for them crime does pay.. even if it's at the life of a 2 year innocent baby that they claim to love but fail to protect her in life. Now in death they sell everything they can get their money grubbing hands on that was Caylee's picture's are not even sacred to them.
Then they go in front of a Judge begging not to release the autopsy report not to tarnish Caylee's memory.. WTH are they talking about? They've made it perfectly clear where there priorities lay. Its with the murderer and the all mighty dollar that they can make off Caylee.

Grieving grandparents my azz..its greedy grandparents..
And to this I say amen.

[Barbara fl.]

See-- that's where I say NONE of them really put Caylee first or cared about her welfare. Afford to put her in daycare? When I look at her room, backyard, and all of the shoes/clothing she had-- that was a huge waste of resources and a true sign of neglecting to manage their finances. Casey carried on the lie of having a job to party it up. They couldn't ask the State to step in and assist Caylee for healthcare or daycare because that would mean they would HAVE to disclose this mystery Father's idenity. It was a NO WIN for Caylee at every turn.

IMO




I agree...poor Caylee didn't stand a chance.....

[*Serenity*]

He hung up on her when she called.

Ain't love grand?

I have wished a thousand times over that he would have taken her call!
Just to hear the BS she would have fed him. Sure wish LE could have gotten to him sooner to talk to her and take her calls.

She did tell TonE about her $5,000 savings for a backup plan.
I don't think she had $5,000 but a backup plan sure is a strange way to explain your savings account. (if you infact had one)

[Sun]

I am trying real hard here to recall some of the facts about Cindy seeking help from a counselor-- and IIRC she had been advised to step up to plate and give Casey some tough love- ie: get out of her home and start taking responsibility. Cindy at one point could not see doing this because Casey and Caylee had no place to go-- no resources-- and (this is huge) NO JOB. But- after the turn of events with Casey stealing from her Mother-- (not once but 2-3 times iirc) Cindy finally exploded after her and Caylee's trip on Fathers Day. I truly believe that Fathers Day night is when the final straw came about-- and Casey took off with Caylee and put an end to the battle forever.

I am still trying to recall the fact or whereabouts that Cindy was seeking help from a counselor.

:shrug:

Cindy mentioned the counselor in either her interview with LE or the FBI. But Cindy actually lies throughout those interviews, so it's hard to know what to believe. I think that Casey had been fighting with both George and Cindy for quite some time before June 15th. She didn't celebrate Cindy's birthday, Mother's Day, or Father's Day as one might have expected from a daughter that lived under their roof.

[Snoopy50]

I have wished a thousand times over that he would have taken her call!
Just to hear the BS she would have fed him. Sure wish LE could have gotten to him sooner to talk to her and take her calls.

She did tell TonE about her $5,000 savings for a backup plan.
I don't think she had $5,000 but a backup plan sure is a strange way to explain your savings account. (if you infact had one) Which she in fact did not. she had nothing unless she stole it from others. Talk about a sense of entitlement!

[Imperfect4]

You are so right. That day has always been the day I felt was the day they knew Caylee was gone forever. What I don't understand is how any grandparent could dismiss this so easily and do what they are doing to protect the person responsible for the loss of that baby. Go figure.:confused:

I think they're protecting themselves, so they don't have to face the fact they dropped the ball. They knew they had enabled Casey to be immature and irresponsible.

Imo, when they finally decided to apply some "tough love" (around the time Casey took off with Caylee), it was way too late for any good to come of it.

Casey was a hard hearted, self-absorbed slacker by the time they put their collective foot down and told her she needed to become responsible for herself and her child. They rolled the dice, demanding things from a young woman they knew could not deliver.

They knew or very much suspected she couldn't deliver, and they knew they had played a role in turning her into the lying, conniving, uncaring sloth who was living off them. But they decided to roll the dice anyway, and Caylee lost their bet.

Imo, George and Cindy continue to lie for and about Casey to avoid scrutiny of their own behavior and the fact they didn't do more to protect Caylee from that monster daughter of theirs.

[margaritaville]

All of Casey's friends were single with no children. Casey did not interact with other Mother's that had children, like she should have been doing. IMO

AND if other children were around Caylee LE would have interviewed the parents of the children, etc. IMO We would have heard something about someone in this child's life along the way.. I would think.

Well there is the friendly invisible Zach Hawkinson...
Whom Caylee was with on almost a daily bases along with Zanny and her dog..........

[AnnieBell]

Why do you think Cindy is a lot more involved in the murder of Caylee than previous suspected? I have always thought so also just can't really poinpoint it. What are your reasons?

There are too many inconsistencies in statements,the time line of events and her behaviors. I'm going to pull out the eye glasses,pen,paper and highlighter and dig back through somethings and put together a very,very rough picture of this psycho pathic woman.:crying:

[Barbara fl.]

There are too many inconsistencies in statements,the time line of events and her behaviors. I'm going to pull out the eye glasses,pen,paper and highlighter and dig back through somethings and put together a very,very rough picture of this psycho pathic woman.:crying:



Good luck....it's going to be a big job...:biggrin:

[BJames]

Crazy thought (I have plenty of them)...if only the 'family' (aka Cindy and George) were privy to the autopsy results, they could have sold them to the highest bidder....maybe with a little added spin from them?

The 'you'll get the truth at trial' is pretty standard stuff coming from the defense team...In Anthony speak? It might be more like..'We're hoping between now and then we can dictate the 'reality', which of course is the truth'.
Inside their four walls I believe Cindy sets the basis of the truth and reality..her worst fears have come true...folks can see thru.
Glass houses and all of that stuff...

Just my opinion of course...

[*Serenity*]

My honest opinion is that Cindy thought it was just a big fight she had with Casey and that Casey was deliberately keeping her away from Caylee to be spiteful.....I believe that it went like that for the whole 31 days....up until the car was found, then Cindy and George became alarmed but were in hope that they were wrong with their thoughts (which probably were that Caylee was deceased) they didn't want to believe it and overlooked all the signs.....BUT, then when the denial was over (which had to be within a few days) they realized that they were in big trouble and that their daughter had done something terrible to Caylee....from that point on they went into cover up for Casey mode......They became so worried about their daughter being charged with murder that they didn't have time nor the concern for Caylee any longer....it turned into all being about Casey.....

They were so engrossed with protecting Casey that when the body was actually found (it was not a surprise to them that Caylee was deceased) but they knew that meant their daughter was going to jail for life....

Therefore poor little Caylee was cast aside once again.....that even the memorial for her was done to help Casey....This family has totally forgotten about the little girl who was full of life and had her whole life ahead of her and was murdered by her own mother.....that the Anthony's don't care about...but only trying to get their daughter off.....


This ties in perfectly with Lee asking Casey if this is like the last time?
A game of some sort with Casey & Cindy-- Casey would take off with Caylee after some big fight and then Cindy would manage to get them back home-- only this time it was OVER and I don't think she really knew how OVER it really was.

[Tia]

yes. It looks like they have made more money off of their dead granddaughter then they ever have in there life.. I guess for them crime does pay.. even if it's at the life of a 2 year innocent baby that they claim to love but fail to protect her in life. Now in death they sell everything they can get their money grubbing hands on that was Caylee's picture's are not even sacred to them.
Then they go in front of a Judge begging not to release the autopsy report not to tarnish Caylee's memory.. WTH are they talking about? They've made it perfectly clear where there priorities lay. Its with the murderer and the all mighty dollar that they can make off Caylee.

Grieving grandparents my azz..its greedy grandparents..

You said it much better than I ever could!!!!!

[Snoopy50]

Cindy mentioned the counselor in either her interview with LE or the FBI. But Cindy actually lies throughout those interviews, so it's hard to know what to believe. I think that Casey had been fighting with both George and Cindy for quite some time before June 15th. She didn't celebrate Cindy's birthday, Mother's Day, or Father's Day as one might have expected from a daughter that lived under their roof.
Good point. None of our kids live at home these days, with the exception of the youngest who is here during college breaks and summer. Mother's Day morning at 5:30 AM, she surprised me at the side of our bed having driven home from school during the night, through darkness and FOG (such a good thing I didn't know this at the time) so she could spend part of the day with me. The amazing thing was that it was final exam week. I was and remain touched beyond words. Hard to understand why Casey wasn't making some kind of effort since she was right there.:confused:

[Sun]

Don't forget: Cindy told Casey in jailhouse video that they forgave her for anything that she said or did-- AND Casey assured Cindy : don't worry I haven't said anything. The BIG Fathers Day blowout if you ask me. But who knows-- it could be anything BIG with this crew.

You are right. More "drama" is likely to happen when the trial date approaches or even during the trial. Cindy and George most likely will try to keep their faces in the media, and push their foundation.

[Barbara fl.]

I am trying real hard here to recall some of the facts about Cindy seeking help from a counselor-- and IIRC she had been advised to step up to plate and give Casey some tough love- ie: get out of her home and start taking responsibility. Cindy at one point could not see doing this because Casey and Caylee had no place to go-- no resources-- and (this is huge) NO JOB. But- after the turn of events with Casey stealing from her Mother-- (not once but 2-3 times iirc) Cindy finally exploded after her and Caylee's trip on Fathers Day. I truly believe that Fathers Day night is when the final straw came about-- and Casey took off with Caylee and put an end to the battle forever.

I am still trying to recall the fact or whereabouts that Cindy was seeking help from a counselor.

:shrug:


It all sounds just about right....it could also have been that Cindy thru Casey out of the house that night with Caylee to try and show hard love......and if she did then she will never forgive herself....

I wonder who this counselor is also.....I don't think her name was ever mentioned....

[CHITCHAT]

I have a question...It may have been answered. I work and raise a grandson. so dont have a lot of time to read everything (although I try)

The tape around the babys head...was it duct? also. was it only around the head or was it under chin and over top of head? I think this shows trying to hold mouth closed. although around could also hold mouth closed with duct tape under chin over top of head leaved no dought.

this is one of the sadest case I have ever seen.

[Snoopy50]

It all sounds just about right....it could also have been that Cindy thru Casey out of the house that night with Caylee to try and show hard love......and if she did then she will never forgive herself....

I wonder who this counselor is also.....I don't think her name was ever mentioned....
Maybe another Zanny the Nanny kind of person? Oy....:unsure:

[*Serenity*]

Cindy mentioned the counselor in either her interview with LE or the FBI. But Cindy actually lies throughout those interviews, so it's hard to know what to believe. I think that Casey had been fighting with both George and Cindy for quite some time before June 15th. She didn't celebrate Cindy's birthday, Mother's Day, or Father's Day as one might have expected from a daughter that lived under their roof.


Aww... but they are so proud of her and she was so loving. A wonderful Daughter and Mother.

I keep going back to SPeterson and how he really didn't think that Laci missing would ever get to be so HUGE in the media. I see the same thing in this case!! Casey never thought in a million years that Caylee would become such a HUGE case instead of HUGE waste. AND I don't think Cindy or George did either-- hence their lies were going to be alright because NO ONE was really going to pay attention to this for very long. Oh how I love the POWER OF GOD....!!

[Barbara fl.]

Maybe another Zanny the Nanny kind of person? Oy....:unsure:

:laugh: probably so.....

[Imperfect4]

I too think this is EXTREMLY questionable behavior. It would be one thing if Cindy paid Amy back all the money Casey stole. But to me it points as Cindy is a thief also and thinks it's okay.

Maybe Cindy was the one stealing her parents money.

I think it's just more the same MEMEME behavior we've seen from all the Ants. The narcissism and self-absorption is off the charts in that family. How do children who grow up with a mother who does something like that get a message about honesty or values or doing the right thing? And that's just one example.

[spiritwolf46]

I believe the bank refunded the money to Amy...which probably give the bank to the right to bring federal charges against Casey, to recoup their loss....(I wonder if they ever did?)

I forgot all about this! Thanks much, Barbara!

[happygert]

There are too many inconsistencies in statements,the time line of events and her behaviors. I'm going to pull out the eye glasses,pen,paper and highlighter and dig back through somethings and put together a very,very rough picture of this psycho pathic woman.:crying:


c is in this up to her eyeballs..

[Barbara fl.]

I have a question...It may have been answered. I work and raise a grandson. so dont have a lot of time to read everything (although I try)

The tape around the babys head...was it duct? also. was it only around the head or was it under chin and over top of head? I think this shows trying to hold mouth closed. although around could also hold mouth closed with duct tape under chin over top of head leaved no dought.

this is one of the sadest case I have ever seen.


From what I understand...the tape was infact duct tape and it was wrapped around the face and back of the head, several times and it covered the nose the mouth and the chin...

To me it indicates that the tape was the murder weapon....

[Mandymax]

Especially when Cindy tells the police that she wasn't worried about Caylee being gone for 31 days because she knew that Caylee was with Casey..(Mother of the year)
But she doesn't question Casey as to where she is while she is dragging Casey out of Tone's house!! that makes no sense... She tell LE that she believed Caylee was safe and with Casey.....But no "where is Caylee?"....:confused:



Actually, according to Amy's statement, it appears the entire conversation from the time Casey came out of the apartment to the time they dropped Amy off at home focused on Cindy demanding to see Caylee.

[happygert]

I have a question...It may have been answered. I work and raise a grandson. so dont have a lot of time to read everything (although I try)

The tape around the babys head...was it duct? also. was it only around the head or was it under chin and over top of head? I think this shows trying to hold mouth closed. although around could also hold mouth closed with duct tape under chin over top of head leaved no dought.

this is one of the sadest case I have ever seen.

The tape was around her nose mouth and head..several times

[ish]

and the infamous Target shopping trip ...
She purchases a mega pack of paper towels.
I can't see purchasing a mega pack for the boys (Tone) ...
I've wondered if she was going to use those to try and clean up the decomp.

7

Didn't she go to Target and get the paper towels with AMy's checks? Amy left for PR the week prior to Casey being arrested and indeed only got home the day the Anthony's picked the car up, so unless Casey was thinking the car was still sitting in the AMSCOT parking lot, there's no way those towels were used to clean the car.

[*Serenity*]

Didn't she go to Target and get the paper towels with AMy's checks? Amy left for PR the week prior to Casey being arrested and indeed only got home the day the Anthony's picked the car up, so unless Casey was thinking the car was still sitting in the AMSCOT parking lot, there's no way those towels were used to clean the car.

She started telling Amy about the horrible smell in the car around the 25th.


10 AH: Pretty much.
11 EE: You didn't really see her? Or didn't see her at all?
12 No, I didn't...
13 EE: Was it all text messages or whatever maybe?
14 AH: I didn't see, I did not see her at all from when was it? The, probably the 10th until
15 the 30th. Everything was all phone calls. because she blew me off about
16 Jacksonville and then you know, I didn't see her.
17 EE: Well, that's, okay, before we got to the 30th then, starting about the 25th you
18 remember...
19 AH: She talked with me....
20 EE: Tell me about the phone conversations.
21 AH: She had told me that there was this horrible smell in her car and she couldn't
22 figure out what it was. And then like as the days progressed, it may have been
23 more that two days. But I know it was at least more that one day that she talked
24 to me. So it had to have been at least two days that she told me about this smell
25 in her car. And she uhm, you know like the next day it was just so much worse.


Edit to add to this:--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

1 She was like I think maybe my dad ran something over with my car when he
2 borrowed it and it, it smells like something died in my car. And uhm, but she had
3 mentioned the engine as being the source of the smell.
4 EE: Okay.
5 AH: Uhm, and so then on the 27th I have a text message from her uh, saying that it
6 was when she had, you know, the same day that she had run out of gas, when
7 she was telling me about that. Uhm, that...
8 EE: So she told you she ran out of gas the 27th?
9 AH: On the 27th, yes. Uhm...
10 DR: On the 27th?
11 AH: ...and I have text messages that say that she ran out of gas. Uhm, she had run
12 out of gas the week before. There's one that says, ran out of gas, you know, two
13 Fridays in a row. How does that work?
14 DR: Uh-hum (affirmative)
15 AH: Uhm, she kept telling me that she was thinking she was having a problem with
16 her fuel guage. Uhm, but the message on the 27th says definitely, there's
17 definitely a, part of an animal plastered to the frame of my car, which was the end
18 of the mystery. She told me that she had, you know, gotten rid of it and I never
19 heard anything about a smell again.
20 EE: Text message?
21: AH: Text message was the uhm, the animal on the frame of the car. I think I
22 talked to her after that. I'm not sure. I'd have to change, check my uh,
23 messages. But I kind of think I probably called her after that. Because and then
24 she told me about running out of gas and blah, blah, blah. So I probably just [/quote]

[quote]

[Imperfect4]

Don't forget: Cindy told Casey in jailhouse video that they forgave her for anything that she said or did-- AND Casey assured Cindy : don't worry I haven't said anything. The BIG Fathers Day blowout if you ask me. But who knows-- it could be anything BIG with this crew.

That jailhouse exchange is a testament, imo, to how the A's roll. Cindy is trying to get information out of Casey by manipulating her (we forgive you for anything you've said or done). Horse manure. Casey would not be forgiven, but as usual, her actions would be covered up so the rest of the world wouldn't know about them. Then Cindy would have another whip with which to beat Casey for the rest of her life. Cindy is not a forgiving soul.

Casey's response (don't worry, I haven't said anything), is a good example of the value placed on keeping the family's secrets.

[Unleashed]

Good point. None of our kids live at home these days, with the exception of the youngest who is here during college breaks and summer. Mother's Day morning at 5:30 AM, she surprised me at the side of our bed having driven home from school during the night, through darkness and FOG (such a good thing I didn't know this at the time) so she could spend part of the day with me. The amazing thing was that it was final exam week. I was and remain touched beyond words. Hard to understand why Casey wasn't making some kind of effort since she was right there.:confused:

Your daughter was obviously raised in a home filled with mutual love and respect, Snoopy50. You and your family are blessed.

I never heard what Casey, Cindy and Caylee did on Mother's day last year. I'm sure it's out there, I just haven't read about it. Or I did, and forgot, which is actually far more likely. Anybody?

TIA

JMO

[*Serenity*]

That jailhouse exchange is a testament, imo, to how the A's roll. Cindy is trying to get information out of Casey by manipulating her (we forgive you for anything you've said or done). Horse manure. Casey would not be forgiven, but as usual, her actions would be covered up so the rest of the world wouldn't know about them. Then Cindy would have another whip with which to beat Casey for the rest of her life. Cindy is not a forgiving soul.

Casey's response (don't worry, I haven't said anything), is a good example of the value placed on keeping the family's secrets.

^5 to this post and AMEN

[5boxersmom]

Cindy had to know early on. I mean the car smelled like a dead body and Casey wouldn't take her to Caylee. She hadn't talked to Caylee in a month. I know it would be hard to admit it but wouldn't you be in a panic as soon as you smelled that car?

jmo

[~layla~]

I have a question...It may have been answered. I work and raise a grandson. so dont have a lot of time to read everything (although I try)

The tape around the babys head...was it duct? also. was it only around the head or was it under chin and over top of head? I think this shows trying to hold mouth closed. although around could also hold mouth closed with duct tape under chin over top of head leaved no dought.

this is one of the sadest case I have ever seen.

I do believe the report says around several times including the nasal and mandible areas.... nose and jaw.

What you seem to be alluding to is the "o" that Dr Baden (i think) mentioned somewhere.... being a person that has died often the jaw goes slack creating the "o" face of death.

yes it was duct tape... certain brand.. dont recall, because its unimportant except that 2 stores sell it and Geo had it in the garage.

this case is sad yes, but sicker even moreso.

[happygert]

Didn't she go to Target and get the paper towels with AMy's checks? Amy left for PR the week prior to Casey being arrested and indeed only got home the day the Anthony's picked the car up, so unless Casey was thinking the car was still sitting in the AMSCOT parking lot, there's no way those towels were used to clean the car.

Another thing about her shopping spree at Target not one thing was for Caylee.. not even a sucker or pack of gum. Nothing for her when she went grocery shopping either no juice , no snacks. nothing.. I have a 2 year old grandson.. when I go shopping I always pick him up something, clothes, snacks, cookies, popsicles something and he dont live with me.. But I always make sure he has treats when he comes here..

[AnniePie]

Bolding mine and a HUGE good morning to you all!

I so agree with all that you wrote! I am thinking that if most of the media said what they are thinking, that some would think they were on a witch hunt, so they down play it.

NOT that it is right, by any means, but I think that this is why a lot of them coddle those vile people.

I wish so bad that more than Kathi Belich would call those people out for who they truly are. Gone are the days giving them any kind of sympathy what so ever! They have never earned it, so why give it to them? Like you said, they are all about themselves and about not working and making money off their poor deceased granddaughter. To them, something good came out of this, didn't it? They make me sick!

Wolfie, where have you been?! Great to see you here this morning.

I so agree that Kathi (my hero) Belich should do an investigation into the Anthonys and out them for the scam they're running. And perhaps she is and we don't know about it. We can only hope...

Good morning to everyone else as well! :seeya:

[happygert]

I do believe the report says around several times including the nasal and mandible areas.... nose and jaw.

What you seem to be alluding to is the "o" that Dr Baden (i think) mentioned somewhere.... being a person that has died often the jaw goes slack creating the "o" face of death.

yes it was duct tape... certain brand.. dont recall, because its unimportant except that 2 stores sell it and Geo had it in the garage.

this case is sad yes, but sicker even moreso.

Henkle brand.. that was also found on georges gas can..

[AnniePie]

IIRC no1what, she DID call him but he didn't accept the call.

Really?! :w00t: Doncha just love it?

[Imperfect4]

Cindy had to know early on. I mean the car smelled like a dead body and Casey wouldn't take her to Caylee. She hadn't talked to Caylee in a month. I know it would be hard to admit it but wouldn't you be in a panic as soon as you smelled that car?

jmo

I think Cindy was panicked. I think George was panicked. Their panic just isn't recognizable to us.

I think to try to measure the Anthonys by the same yardstick as you would measure a normally functioning family is where we go off the rails.

I don't think we can underestimate the extreme measures taken in that home to keep problems hidden from view. Covering for Casey first, was an automatic reflex -- like breathing is for the rest of us.

Imo, the A's were so used to Casey getting into trouble, they suspected right away she had caused more trouble, and Caylee was involved. But their primary motivation, because it had become an automatic reflex, was to get to Casey and begin to figure out how to clean up her latest mess.

I think the reality of what probably happened to Caylee took longer to sink in with these people. That's why their first order of business was to begin the Casey cover up. And I think wrapped up in their dysfunctional reaction and behavior was (and is) a thick rope of guilt because they knew they had not done the best job possible with Casey. Despite their combativeness and lies, they know damn well they created -- or enabled -- a monster. imo

[spiritwolf46]

Cindy had to know early on. I mean the car smelled like a dead body and Casey wouldn't take her to Caylee. She hadn't talked to Caylee in a month. I know it would be hard to admit it but wouldn't you be in a panic as soon as you smelled that car?

jmo

I would not only be in a panic, but being a nurse and if my hubby were a cop at one point, we would know exactly what that smell was and if it were me, I would have wanted to see my daughter held accountable for the murder of my precious, innocent granddaughter. I would still love my daughter, for she is my own flesh and blood, but she would have to face what she had done! But that is just me.

How ya holding up in this heat and humidity? ;)

[Tia]

Really?! :w00t: Doncha just love it?

Smart man. He ran for the hills!

[Daffodil]

There are too many inconsistencies in statements,the time line of events and her behaviors. I'm going to pull out the eye glasses,pen,paper and highlighter and dig back through somethings and put together a very,very rough picture of this psycho pathic woman.:crying:

Thanks Annie!! Can you send me a pm with it just in case I miss it?

TIA

[*Serenity*]

Another thing about her shopping spree at Target not one thing was for Caylee.. not even a sucker or pack of gum. Nothing for her when she went grocery shopping either no juice , no snacks. nothing.. I have a 2 year old grandson.. when I go shopping I always pick him up something, clothes, snacks, cookies, popsicles something and he dont live with me.. But I always make sure he has treats when he comes here..

Only thing Casey purchased was lots of things for herself, and of course things to take to the guys apartment-- like she was contributing and really a somebody. She was on a mission to snag
TonE. The only backup plan this physco had was getting other guys lined up along the way.

[~layla~]

I think Cindy was panicked. I think George was panicked. Their panic just isn't recognizable to us.

I think to try to measure the Anthonys by the same yardstick as you would measure a normally functioning family is where we go off the rails.

I don't think we can underestimate the extreme measures taken in that home to keep problems hidden from view. Covering for Casey first, was an automatic reflex -- like breathing is for the rest of us.

Imo, the A's were so used to Casey getting into trouble, they suspected right away she had caused more trouble, and Caylee was involved. But their primary motivation, because it had become an automatic reflex, was to get to Casey and begin to figure out how to clean up her latest mess.

I think the reality of what probably happened to Caylee took longer to sink in with these people. That's why their first order of business was to begin the Casey cover up. And I think wrapped up in their dysfunctional reaction and behavior was (and is) a thick rope of guilt because they knew they had not done the best job possible with Casey. Despite their combativeness and lies, they know damn well they created -- or enabled -- a monster. imo



THIS!!!

I do believe they knew a lot about Casey and her ways.... as a parent I know the ins and outs of my childrens behaviors. They went into auto pilot so quickly it infuriates us all.

I dont feel any sympathy for G or C .... and nothing but disgust for Casey ... what I do feel is they know what they are doing. This isnt the first time, its a well practiced routine.

They didnt expect the media to take apart their carefullly planned and well honed actions of how they deal with Casey. Not a single outsider believed that Caylee was kidnapped.

eta for clarification... I dont think they knew about Caylees demise until they got their hot lil hands on the car, but its not to say it wasnt anticipated through deduction of the prior months actions. (and I dont think there was a plan to kill caylee... just one of those things Casey did and they had to fix)

[*Serenity*]

I think Cindy was panicked. I think George was panicked. Their panic just isn't recognizable to us.

I think to try to measure the Anthonys by the same yardstick as you would measure a normally functioning family is where we go off the rails.

I don't think we can underestimate the extreme measures taken in that home to keep problems hidden from view. Covering for Casey first, was an automatic reflex -- like breathing is for the rest of us.

Imo, the A's were so used to Casey getting into trouble, they suspected right away she had caused more trouble, and Caylee was involved. But their primary motivation, because it had become an automatic reflex, was to get to Casey and begin to figure out how to clean up her latest mess.

I think the reality of what probably happened to Caylee took longer to sink in with these people. That's why their first order of business was to begin the Casey cover up. And I think wrapped up in their dysfunctional reaction and behavior was (and is) a thick rope of guilt because they knew they had not done the best job possible with Casey. Despite their combativeness and lies, they know damn well they created -- or enabled -- a monster. imo

After the 911 call and waiting for LE to arrive Cindy ask Casey: what have you done, and iirc later on we would learn from Lee that Casey told him: this should have happened a long time ago.
Go figure!!

[AnniePie]

I bet we do. I have a feeling someone is going to crack. I think Geo almost did when he attempted suicide and left the note. These people just can't shut up! Even as Geo was preparing to off himself he had to have the last word by writing a suicide note!!

Tia, George admitted that he never intended to kill himself that night in the motel; it was all a ploy for attention. As most of us believed right from the start.

BUT the truth did come out about that, and I believe a lot more truth is going to come out in time. I cannot imagine living with the knowledge that you've lied and deceived the way the Anthonys have. A "normal" person would have cracked long ago. We all know they aren't normal, but still... I'm hoping that one of these days one of them is going to have a breakdown and tell the TRUTH.

It'll be PARTY TIME at my house that day, and you'll all be invited over for a lovely cuppa tea. :beer:

[AMS]

O/T - Farrah Fawcett has died.

[*Serenity*]

Tia, George admitted that he never intended to kill himself that night in the motel; it was all a ploy for attention. As most of us believed right from the start.

BUT the truth did come out about that, and I believe a lot more truth is going to come out in time. I cannot imagine living with the knowledge that you've lied and deceived the way the Anthonys have. A "normal" person would have cracked long ago. We all know they aren't normal, but still... I'm hoping that one of these days one of them is going to have a breakdown and tell the TRUTH.

It'll be PARTY TIME at my house that day, and you'll all be invited over for a lovely cuppa tea. :beer:

I wonder if that suicide note will ever surface? I would love to know all the BS he put in that note! AND I would love to know what he had to say in front of the Grand Jury. He has been on a slippery slope since day one. His comment to LE about keeping it hush hush that he was over there trying to help them... gmab!!

[no1what]

Quote:
Originally Posted by no1what
Is there a recording of a phone call between Casey and TonE when she was in jail per this wire tap approval? We know Casey got his number from her brother and wanted to call but did she... and if she did is there evidence of the conversation?


IIRC no1what, she DID call him but he didn't accept the call.


Then what was the point of the wire tap if TonE didn't accept the call?

[5boxersmom]

I would not only be in a panic, but being a nurse and if my hubby were a cop at one point, we would know exactly what that smell was and if it were me, I would have wanted to see my daughter held accountable for the murder of my precious, innocent granddaughter. I would still love my daughter, for she is my own flesh and blood, but she would have to face what she had done! But that is just me.

How ya holding up in this heat and humidity? ;)

Yep they went back to work. :shrug:

Staying in the house today.LOL

[Sandy001]

I dont think Tone even liked her that much.

ITA. I don't think she stoof a chance of becoming Mrs. Anthony Lazzarro. Or Mrs. Ricardo Morales. She might have a small chance at being Mrs. Jose Baez, tho. jmo

[101Spots]

Quote:
Originally Posted by no1what
Is there a recording of a phone call between Casey and TonE when she was in jail per this wire tap approval? We know Casey got his number from her brother and wanted to call but did she... and if she did is there evidence of the conversation?





Then what was the point of the wire tap if TonE didn't accept the call?

All calls from the jail are taped.

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Originally Posted by no1what
Is there a recording of a phone call between Casey and TonE when she was in jail per this wire tap approval? We know Casey got his number from her brother and wanted to call but did she... and if she did is there evidence of the conversation?





Then what was the point of the wire tap if TonE didn't accept the call?

I don't think there was a wire tap at this point-- this was her first arrest on a effin whim when that happened. I don't recall LE getting to him that quickly. Wish they would have.

I am also anxious to find out if the Anthony home was wiretapped like SPeterson-- and... if it was -- well well that will make for a field day as Casey herself would say. LOL

edit to add: as 101 posted above: I forgot about the jail tapes.. so it would have been captured regardless.

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O/T - Farrah Fawcett has died.

OMG! I didnt think after the documentary she live much longer.. so sad..

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O/T - Farrah Fawcett has died.

RIP to Farrah.:crying: