Phil Spector-Civil Trial and Appeal discussion

[Music Fan]

Feel free to copy from the archived thread to continue the discussion.

Warhorse provided us with this helpful info yesterday.

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Appeals do not happen within a year. Scott Peterson was convicted in 2005 & has yet to even have an appeal lawyer appointed to his case. The Appeals Courts are so backed up & they have the authority to pick & choose which cases they hear that cases that do get before them wait for years. It is a long time consuming process that will NOT happen within a year.

<<Trial errors are unintentionally made in a number of ways by attorneys, jurors and/or judges:

Evidence may have been used against the person but shouldn’t have
Evidence that might have helped the person was wrongly kept out of the trial
The wrong law might have been applied
An attorney may have made an inappropriate argument
The jury instructions may have confused the jurors
The sentence was not appropriate for the crime
A criminal appeal gives the convicted person a second chance to obtain justice. When an error is discovered, it could be overturned or overruled so that the court’s decision is reversed.

If the conviction is reversed, the convicted person may get his/her sentence reduced or get a new trial.

California Law
Under California law, a criminal appeal can be filed by a convicted individual or his/her lawyer within 60 days of the conviction. Usually, the individual will hire an appellate lawyer to file the appeal.

The entire process starts when a notice of appeal is filed in the court where a conviction or ruling occurred. After that, a copy of all the criminal trial papers and testimony are gathered and filed with the appropriate California Court of Appeals.

An Appeal Requires Expertise
The California criminal appeal process is a very specialized, complicated process that demands appellate expertise on the part of the attorney. It involves extensive research and written and oral arguments, and can often take a year or more.

The procedures are different from the trial court process and include the following steps:

After the notice of appeal is filed, the “record on appeal,” or transcripts, are prepared and filed by a court clerk and reporter.
An “appellant’s opening brief” is then prepared by the attorney, who has found the errors, researched relevant law and cases, and written a brief containing the “grounds for appeal;” the reasons why the decisions should be overruled.
A “respondent’s brief” is then filed by the prosecution, and a good appeal lawyer then files an “appellant’s reply brief” in response to the prosecutor’s arguments.
Three judges in the Court of Appeal then hear the “oral arguments” on both sides.
Months after the arguments, the court makes its decision or “opinion” on the case.
If an appeal loses in the California Court of Appeals, it may be taken to the California Supreme Court. But, these cases are rarely accepted (approximately 125 per year).
http://www.lacriminaldefenseattorney.com/Appeals.html >>

[warhorse46]

Warhorse racing in the door out of breath! I made it here! I wonder if PS is enjoying his balogna sandwiches for lunch & able to keep cool in the 100 degree temps that are occurring @ Corcoran?

[oodi]

I made it here too! And "hot" is an understatement!!! I guess I got spoiled by the unusually cool weather we'd been having here so far. :unsure:

[bearwds]

Have to order a case of Dramamine to keep up with the Threads.


bearwds

[Themis]

I made it here too! And "hot" is an understatement!!! I guess I got spoiled by the unusually cool weather we'd been having here so far. :unsure:
I am so confused and more than a bit lost. At one time earlier today there were 3 open threads on this subject. Am I now in the right place?:laugh:

I shared some info on the 2 other threads but won't bother repeating them here; actually I don't know where they have been moved to!
I will just share this one link:

http://www.wunderground.com/US/CA/Corcoran.html

One final quick note ... due to massive overcrowding of all California prisons many of the gyms have been turned into dormitory-type housing. Some of the double-deck bunk beds have even been replaced by triple-deck bunks. However, Spector is in a private cell as reported by Spector's friend Linda Deusch. Even with that, I think it will be quite noisy (a common complaint from prisoners), quite warm, and probably a bit smelly, too, as not every prisoner has family to send them care packages with deodorant, etc. Mrs. Spector's very public complaints and accusations have the potential of causing quite a stir at Corcoran. Prison wardens, administrators, staff, and guards don't like to be criticized, IYKWIM. [JMO * Themis]

P.S. And he thought County Jail was bad .......

[True2Blues]

I am so confused and more than a bit lost. At one time earlier today there were 3 open threads on this subject. Am I now in the right place?:laugh:

I shared some info on the 2 other threads but won't bother repeating them here; actually I don't know where they have been moved to!
I will just share this one link:

http://www.wunderground.com/US/CA/Corcoran.html

One final quick note ... due to massive overcrowding of all California prisons many of the gyms have been turned into dormitory-type housing. Some of the double-deck bunk beds have even been replaced by triple-deck bunks. However, Spector is in a private cell as reported by Spector's friend Linda Deusch. Even with that, I think it will be quite noisy (a common complaint from prisoners), quite warm, and probably a bit smelly, too, as not every prisoner has family to send them care packages with deodorant, etc. Mrs. Spector's very public complaints and accusations have the potential of causing quite a stir at Corcoran. Prison wardens, administrators, staff, and guards don't like to be criticized, IYKWIM. [JMO * Themis]

P.S. And he thought County Jail was bad .......

Mrs. Spector's very public accusations of abuse at the hands of the guards, will hopefully get her the smackdown she so richly deserves. If it can be proven that PS actually gave her that information, he'd better have something to back it up besides his mountain of lies, or he may (as you say) be made to regret it.

I know it goes against his every belief, but the guards don't care who he is. They have a lot more to worry about than his overinflated sense of celebrity.

Between them the Spectors haven't got the sense God gave a macadamia nut. If PS thinks he'll get released just because he makes up stories, he's in for a big surprise.

[Details]

The guards are used to the worst of the worst, manipulators and users of every stripe - and they know that to make it work, they have to keep control. If Spector is sending false stories, that could be very bad for any privileges (the privileges that any prisoner gets for behaving properly) he has currently. That's the main reason the prisoners have TV and such - so they can be taken away for misbehavior.

[dref99]

Hello Details!

I heard on uummm, I think it was on either JVM or ShowBiz Tonight that Spector has already asked for a TV, an MP3 player, a Cell Phone and an IPod. Perhaps someone mentioned this on one of the other threads and can state exactly what he has asked for.

I have no idea why and what the mods are doing to the PS boards.

Curiouser and curiouser. My friend Vanna had to e-mail me to let me know this thread was up!

Mondo bizzaro

CJ

There has been a thread running for a few days in the Death Penalty/prisons forum, which didn't seem to be the right place - but at least it wasn't closed down. CW then suggested we move over here. The details of who can have what was well addressed by Themis on that thread. Here is the post

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With regard to what a California prisoner can and cannot have, here is a link to one of the approved vendors with its list:

http://californiainmatepackage.com/Catalog/MenuCatalogPages/ManageStaticPage.aspx?pageid=ProductRestriction

If the above link does not work correctly, try this one:

http://californiainmatepackage.com/home.aspx
Then you can click on 'Product Info & Restrictions' and other sections.
[JMO * Themis]
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And another post - also from Themis

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According to a very small (4 paragraphs) article this morning, 6-24-09, in the Sacramento Bee newspaper:

Phil Spector is at the California Substance Abuse Treatment Facility and State Prison at Corcoran.

It is the largest prison in California and is south of Fresno.

Note: Now he can receive packages. He is allowed an AM-FM radio and a 13" TV. Both have clear plastic cases and must be purchased by special vendors approved by the CDCR. [JMO * Themis]
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jmo

[dref99]

Have to order a case of Dramamine to keep up with the Threads.


bearwds

Well said - and the signature :smile:

Here are my links to the legal issues from the trials. As was discussed on the old thread, they are not current appeal issues - they are submissions that were determined during the trials & in most cases the defense lost.

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the web address for the LA Court high profile cases has a minor change. This is the link that currently works
http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/courtnews/ui/HPDocumentList.aspx?title=People+vs.+Phillip+Spect or&casenum=BA255233&date=2008-11-03%2009:48:13

or to be sure of the right address, follow the links from here
http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/courtnews/ui/main.aspx

Details of the arguments for and against the 1101(b) - prior bad acts evidence is one of the issues covered in the listed pdf items.

The legality of this evidence was tested before both trials - so IMO not looking good from the appeal aspect.
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jmo

[Deannalynn]

I am so confused and more than a bit lost. At one time earlier today there were 3 open threads on this subject. Am I now in the right place?:laugh:

I shared some info on the 2 other threads but won't bother repeating them here; actually I don't know where they have been moved to!
I will just share this one link:

http://www.wunderground.com/US/CA/Corcoran.html

One final quick note ... due to massive overcrowding of all California prisons many of the gyms have been turned into dormitory-type housing. Some of the double-deck bunk beds have even been replaced by triple-deck bunks. However, Spector is in a private cell as reported by Spector's friend Linda Deusch. Even with that, I think it will be quite noisy (a common complaint from prisoners), quite warm, and probably a bit smelly, too, as not every prisoner has family to send them care packages with deodorant, etc. Mrs. Spector's very public complaints and accusations have the potential of causing quite a stir at Corcoran. Prison wardens, administrators, staff, and guards don't like to be criticized, IYKWIM. [JMO * Themis]

P.S. And he thought County Jail was bad .......

I watch lock up (Corcoran) it's the real deal. Not only do they house the scariest murderers they have crazy people doing life who have nothing to lose so they are the ones who do the jumping and killing on the inside.
Once these prisoners catch wind of Poor Spector, no T.V., no Ipod and Ooops, can you spare an e-mail for me, they will give him a really hard time. It's cooked toast for him.:sneaky:
:ohmy: and you don't want to pizz the guards off.
jmo

[kennedy06]

I watched several of the Corcoran google videos Anakerie linked to us on the old thread that was closed today. One is a man on the sensitive needs unit on msn's videos, because of his gang/gay affiliations. It showed quite a few men walking around in that yard.

So what I don't understand is PS on this sensitive needs unit or is he in this protected housing unit with Charlie M. and the other more noted criminals? Are these units actually one in the same or is the PHU actually a smaller subunit of the sensitive needs level?

Thanks

The Power Play Corcoran (vanguard) video on utube and on google video is quite interesting. Showing from level 1 up to the hardest of prisoners in the SHU.

[oodi]

I watched several of the Corcoran google videos Anakerie linked to us on the old thread that was closed today. One is a man on the sensitive needs unit on msn's videos, because of his gang/gay affiliations. It showed quite a few men walking around in that yard.

So what I don't understand is PS on this sensitive needs unit or is he in this protected housing unit with Charlie M. and the other more noted criminals? Are these units actually one in the same or is the PHU actually a smaller subunit of the sensitive needs level?

Thanks

The Power Play Corcoran (vanguard) video on utube and on google video is quite interesting. Showing from level 1 up to the hardest of prisoners in the SHU.

He's in the Sensitive Needs Unit.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/24/california.spector.prison/index.html?iref=hpmostpop

And they just had a riot there:

http://www.visaliatimesdelta.com/article/20090622/NEWS01/906220320/1002/Visalia%20native%20goes%20for%20Miss%20California% 20title/Riot-puts-Corcoran-prison-in-lockdown

[oodi]

Thank you all for the links and details. Is PS actually incarcerated at Cocoran or is he still in evaluation?
As horrific as Lana's murder was - PS ain't no Charles Manson.

The curious want to know.

CJ

He was evaluated at North Kern and moved to Corcoran to serve his sentence.

[True2Blues]

He's in the Sensitive Needs Unit.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/24/california.spector.prison/index.html?iref=hpmostpop

And they just had a riot there:

http://www.visaliatimesdelta.com/article/20090622/NEWS01/906220320/1002/Visalia%20native%20goes%20for%20Miss%20California% 20title/Riot-puts-Corcoran-prison-in-lockdown

Oh deary me! I guess life in the Sensitive Unit isn't all sunshine and roses. Ah well, can't be picky about your company when you murder innocent women.

[warhorse46]

imo

I heard it is hot, hot, hot and no a/c. This is just the beginning of his delayed misery. He's got at least 19 more yrs of hardship.




Correct, the inmate area of Corcoran is not air conditioned. PS can buy a small fan from the commissary if he has enough money in his account if he so desires.

[warhorse46]

I am so confused and more than a bit lost. At one time earlier today there were 3 open threads on this subject. Am I now in the right place?:laugh:

I shared some info on the 2 other threads but won't bother repeating them here; actually I don't know where they have been moved to!
I will just share this one link:

http://www.wunderground.com/US/CA/Corcoran.html

One final quick note ... due to massive overcrowding of all California prisons many of the gyms have been turned into dormitory-type housing. Some of the double-deck bunk beds have even been replaced by triple-deck bunks. However, Spector is in a private cell as reported by Spector's friend Linda Deusch. Even with that, I think it will be quite noisy (a common complaint from prisoners), quite warm, and probably a bit smelly, too, as not every prisoner has family to send them care packages with deodorant, etc. Mrs. Spector's very public complaints and accusations have the potential of causing quite a stir at Corcoran. Prison wardens, administrators, staff, and guards don't like to be criticized, IYKWIM. [JMO * Themis]

P.S. And he thought County Jail was bad .......



I think Deusch is another person who would not know the truth if it hit her in the face re PS.

[True2Blues]

Correct, the inmate area of Corcoran is not air conditioned. PS can buy a small fan from the commissary if he has enough money in his account if he so desires.

Well, he should be grateful the wigs are gone then. His head will be a lot cooler this way.

[warhorse46]

Mrs. Spector's very public accusations of abuse at the hands of the guards, will hopefully get her the smackdown she so richly deserves. If it can be proven that PS actually gave her that information, he'd better have something to back it up besides his mountain of lies, or he may (as you say) be made to regret it.

I know it goes against his every belief, but the guards don't care who he is. They have a lot more to worry about than his overinflated sense of celebrity.

Between them the Spectors haven't got the sense God gave a macadamia nut. If PS thinks he'll get released just because he makes up stories, he's in for a big surprise.


His made up stories may get him in a heap more trouble than he is alread in. Make up a story & try to spread it about the wrong person & whamo, you are in a world of trouble. I think it would be in PS's best interest to keep his mouth shut & his eyes wide open @ all times now.

[warhorse46]

Oh deary me! I guess life in the Sensitive Unit isn't all sunshine and roses. Ah well, can't be picky about your company when you murder innocent women.




Yep, PS has Charles Manson & Sirhan Sirhan for his neighbors now.

[warhorse46]

Well, he should be grateful the wigs are gone then. His head will be a lot cooler this way.



Very true.

[True2Blues]

Yep, PS has Charles Manson & Sirhan Sirhan for his neighbors now.

I'll bet they aren't singing "Won't you be my neighbor" to the new boys there.

[cherylt]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/24/california.spector.prison/index.html


You might have seen this already, but seems Spector was moved to his new home & Rachelle is pleased (darn, we wanted her to be miserable!)

So, he gets a prison for "sensitive-needs" inmates. Unbelievable! He wasn't so sensitive when he killed Lana Clarkson, was he? !

Boo on whoever assigned him there and I hope the food is extraordinary carppy!

[Details]

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So, he gets a prison for "sensitive-needs" inmates. Unbelievable! He wasn't so sensitive when he killed Lana Clarkson, was he? !...Sure he was - his feelings were so very hurt when she wouldn't stay and have sex with her (oops) him, and wanted to go home. Very sensitive indeed!

[warhorse46]

Just found you today! Hi all!

True you really are funny.

And I think Charles Manson will be happy that Mr. Spector is there.
Wasn´t he also into music?

LL




Yep Manson was into music & he is of the Phil Spector era so might remember him & his songs.

[warhorse46]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/24/california.spector.prison/index.html


You might have seen this already, but seems Spector was moved to his new home & Rachelle is pleased (darn, we wanted her to be miserable!)

So, he gets a prison for "sensitive-needs" inmates. Unbelievable! He wasn't so sensitive when he killed Lana Clarkson, was he? !

Boo on whoever assigned him there and I hope the food is extraordinary carppy!



They have said all along PS would be in some kind of seg because of his supposed celebrity status & his age so it did not surprise me he landed in that unit. But it is still prison, is not air conditioned, has prison food, has guards who control the inmate's every move.

[kennedy06]

I"m still confused (!) so in the CNN article linked to above, the very last sentence quickly explains the difference between CA Subtance Abuse facility, where at the beginning of the article it mentions that is where PS is......and Corcoran SP where Charlie M. is. I realize these are all one in the same prison, most likely but is PS actually housed with Corona and Manson or is he with the protected guys that for example left a gang and need help or for example the gay/gangster guy that is on the MSN Lockup video that is in the sensitive needs unit? Or all they all together as one unit?

Here is the article linked to several times about the PHU at Corcoran

http://articles.latimes.com/2005/jun/09/local/me-prison9


From reading this older article, looks like if PS is with CM and wants to write a tune or two maybe CM got his guitar back by now, he could borrow his. IMO

[vonna]

Just found you today! Hi all!

True you really are funny.

And I think Charles Manson will be happy that Mr. Spector is there.
Wasn´t he also into music?

LL

Spector and Manson! Now THERES a pair to draw to!

[kennedy06]

Yep Manson was into music & he is of the Phil Spector era so might remember him & his songs.

They might remember each others names! If only through the news. You are correct about CM being into music. In this interview with CM, the name Terry M. is brought up, PS produced a song or two by this same guy Terry M., but at that time he went by the name of T. Day, Doris Dy's son. I'm sure PS was aware of the news at the time of all the Mns trials and things or I would at least would think he would be. JMO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xioCGmZVoqw

Like to show where I find my info, 1962 (columbia)

http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/7019/wallofsound/discog-45.html

[RootBeer]

Hi Pallies,

Glad to find you all. :thumbsup:

Any links to current updates about the Civil Trial?

[Anakerie]

Hi Pallies,

Glad to find you all. :thumbsup:

Any links to current updates about the Civil Trial?
I haven't seen anything in the news about either civil case since June 6th...

http://www.dailynews.com/news/ci_12533006

From that link:
Attorney Robert Shapiro, who once represented Phil Spector, wants the music producer's lawsuit against him dismissed or put on hold because Spector still refuses to answer deposition questions concerning the fatal shooting of actress Lana Clarkson.
And, according to that link, there is supposed to be a hearing today.
According to court papers filed on behalf of Shapiro on Wednesday, Spector has refused to answer more deposition questions from the lawyer's attorneys. He also says he will not agree to a stay of his civil case against the lawyer until the outcome of his appeal in the Clarkson killing is decided, according to Shapiro's court papers.
"As a matter of law, Spector cannot have his cake and eat it too," Shapiro's court papers state. "In sum, (Shapiro requests) that this case be dismissed in its entirety, or alternatively, that it be stayed until Spector's appeal is completed."
A hearing on Shapiro's motion is scheduled June 25.

[Ellie]

I haven't seen anything in the news about either civil case since June 6th...

http://www.dailynews.com/news/ci_12533006

From that link:
Attorney Robert Shapiro, who once represented Phil Spector, wants the music producer's lawsuit against him dismissed or put on hold because Spector still refuses to answer deposition questions concerning the fatal shooting of actress Lana Clarkson.
And, according to that link, there is supposed to be a hearing today.
According to court papers filed on behalf of Shapiro on Wednesday, Spector has refused to answer more deposition questions from the lawyer's attorneys. He also says he will not agree to a stay of his civil case against the lawyer until the outcome of his appeal in the Clarkson killing is decided, according to Shapiro's court papers.
"As a matter of law, Spector cannot have his cake and eat it too," Shapiro's court papers state. "In sum, (Shapiro requests) that this case be dismissed in its entirety, or alternatively, that it be stayed until Spector's appeal is completed."
A hearing on Shapiro's motion is scheduled June 25.



.... I don't get it. So Shapiro wants to put his case against Spector on hold until the civil case is over? Or until the appeal is over? Or... what? I know, I'm having a very blond day. :wink:

[oodi]

.... I don't get it. So Shapiro wants to put his case against Spector on hold until the civil case is over? Or until the appeal is over? Or... what? I know, I'm having a very blond day. :wink:

I'm joining your "blond day." LOL

I'm wondering if there is something about the civil trial that may "assist" Shapiro's case, in the event the case is not dismissed in it's entirety.

[Ellie]

I'm joining your "blond day." LOL

I'm wondering if there is something about the civil trial that may "assist" Shapiro's case, in the event the case is not dismissed in it's entirety.


Ah us blonds... ha.

I am really hoping that what Shaprio is saying is that he is going to wait until the Clarkson's have a chance to get their civil case in and out of court before he goes after Spector. That's what I'm hoping it means...

[warhorse46]

They might remember each others names! If only through the news. You are correct about CM being into music. In this interview with CM, the name Terry M. is brought up, PS produced a song or two by this same guy Terry M., but at that time he went by the name of T. Day, Doris Dy's son. I'm sure PS was aware of the news at the time of all the Mns trials and things or I would at least would think he would be. JMO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xioCGmZVoqw

Like to show where I find my info, 1962 (columbia)

http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/7019/wallofsound/discog-45.html



I am positive PS knows who Manson is, even if you lived under a rock back then you knew who he was.

[Anakerie]

.... I don't get it. So Shapiro wants to put his case against Spector on hold until the civil case is over? Or until the appeal is over? Or... what? I know, I'm having a very blond day. :wink:
The way that article was written makes it very confusing, I think. Ive read and re-read it several times now and I'm still confused. (I'm a blonde too! LOL)

Here's the way I understand it (And I'm probably wrong about some of it.. lol):
Phil sued Shapiro to get the retainer fee back.
Phil has continually refused to answer deposition questions, initially because of the murder trial and now because of the appeal his attorneys will file.
Shapiro wants the whole thing dropped, because of Phil's refusal to answer questions. Shapiro's second choice is for the whole thing to be put on hold.

The gist of it, I think, is that Phil wants to sue Shapiro to get the million bucks back without having to either testify or answer deposition questions. Phil wants the money, and he wants it now. Shapiro wants the whole thing dropped, or he's willing to wait until after the appeal (whenever that may happen)...

Or I'm wayyyy too blonde and am completely confused and should just shut up and hunt for more news articles.. lol

[oodi]

The way that article was written makes it very confusing, I think. Ive read and re-read it several times now and I'm still confused. (I'm a blonde too! LOL)

Here's the way I understand it (And I'm probably wrong about some of it.. lol):
Phil sued Shapiro to get the retainer fee back.
Phil has continually refused to answer deposition questions, initially because of the murder trial and now because of the appeal his attorneys will file.
Shapiro wants the whole thing dropped, because of Phil's refusal to answer questions. Shapiro's second choice is for the whole thing to be put on hold.

The gist of it, I think, is that Phil wants to sue Shapiro to get the million bucks back without having to either testify or answer deposition questions. Phil wants the money, and he wants it now. Shapiro wants the whole thing dropped, or he's willing to wait until after the appeal (whenever that may happen)...

Or I'm wayyyy too blonde and am completely confused and should just shut up and hunt for more news articles.. lol

I get what you're saying, but I still don't get why the civil trial or the appeal would have anything to do with it... most likely why I'm not an atty. LOL It just seems to me that the outcome of the any the cases would have no bearing on what work Shapiro did/did not do on behalf of PS prior to being replaced by the other attys.

On another note... this may/may not have a bearing on what kind of medical care PS will receive while he is a guest of the state.

http://www.kcra.com/politics/19858822/detail.html?treets=sac&tml=sac_break&ts=T&tmi=sac_break_1_01240206252009

[cherylt]

The way that article was written makes it very confusing, I think. Ive read and re-read it several times now and I'm still confused. (I'm a blonde too! LOL)

Here's the way I understand it (And I'm probably wrong about some of it.. lol):
Phil sued Shapiro to get the retainer fee back.
Phil has continually refused to answer deposition questions, initially because of the murder trial and now because of the appeal his attorneys will file.
Shapiro wants the whole thing dropped, because of Phil's refusal to answer questions. Shapiro's second choice is for the whole thing to be put on hold.

The gist of it, I think, is that Phil wants to sue Shapiro to get the million bucks back without having to either testify or answer deposition questions. Phil wants the money, and he wants it now. Shapiro wants the whole thing dropped, or he's willing to wait until after the appeal (whenever that may happen)...

Or I'm wayyyy too blonde and am completely confused and should just shut up and hunt for more news articles.. lol


From what I recall, (I'm not a blonde), :) you are correct. Phil is suing Shapiro, not the other way around. Even though Shapiro was able to get him out on bond & is worth every penny of that million, PS wants it back since he claims he didn't do a good job OR he didn't put that much effort into his case. He should be thanking Shapiro for all the years he bought him (6) b4 going to jail.

IMO, charges should be dismissed by a Judge (civilly) and LC's mom should continue w/ her wrongful death lawsuit. There is NO WAY, imo, PS will ever get that million back!

:seeya:

[True2Blues]

From what I recall, (I'm not a blonde), :) you are correct. Phil is suing Shapiro, not the other way around. Even though Shapiro was able to get him out on bond & is worth every penny of that million, PS wants it back since he claims he didn't do a good job OR he didn't put that much effort into his case. He should be thanking Shapiro for all the years he bought him (6) b4 going to jail.

IMO, charges should be dismissed by a Judge (civilly) and LC's mom should continue w/ her wrongful death lawsuit. There is NO WAY, imo, PS will ever get that million back!

:seeya:

I agree with you. Robert Shapiro is not my favorite person in the world, but he more than earned that money by getting Spector out on bail after only a few hours in jail. He also rounded up all of the recognized 'experts' and got them into town by the time the crime scene was handed over. (Even if they were all liars for hire and full of baloney)

I don't see that million coming back.

[RootBeer]

I haven't seen anything in the news about either civil case since June 6th...

http://www.dailynews.com/news/ci_12533006

From that link:
Attorney Robert Shapiro, who once represented Phil Spector, wants the music producer's lawsuit against him dismissed or put on hold because Spector still refuses to answer deposition questions concerning the fatal shooting of actress Lana Clarkson.
And, according to that link, there is supposed to be a hearing today.
According to court papers filed on behalf of Shapiro on Wednesday, Spector has refused to answer more deposition questions from the lawyer's attorneys. He also says he will not agree to a stay of his civil case against the lawyer until the outcome of his appeal in the Clarkson killing is decided, according to Shapiro's court papers.
"As a matter of law, Spector cannot have his cake and eat it too," Shapiro's court papers state. "In sum, (Shapiro requests) that this case be dismissed in its entirety, or alternatively, that it be stayed until Spector's appeal is completed."
A hearing on Shapiro's motion is scheduled June 25.




Thank You :wink:

[vonna]

Thank You :wink:

I completely agree that Shapiro earned every cent of that money. Just shows how little gratitude Spector possesses.

[My 2 Cents]

I get what you're saying, but I still don't get why the civil trial or the appeal would have anything to do with it... most likely why I'm not an atty. LOL It just seems to me that the outcome of the any the cases would have no bearing on what work Shapiro did/did not do on behalf of PS prior to being replaced by the other attys.

On another note... this may/may not have a bearing on what kind of medical care PS will receive while he is a guest of the state.

http://www.kcra.com/politics/19858822/detail.html?treets=sac&tml=sac_break&ts=T&tmi=sac_break_1_01240206252009

Actually OODI, I think the lawsuit by Spector, suing his 1st attorney, Robert Shapiro - would probably involve a lot of the "details" surrounding the Clarkson murder (because they'll be brought out by Shapiro, not Phil) . . . I'm guessing of course - but that is the way I would see it. This would be my guess as to why:

Spector is suing Shaprio - claiming the 1 million fee/retainer was excessive, and that Shapiro took advantage of Phil and their friendship and Phil's unfortunate situation. Phil also claims he was tasered, without his daily medications, etc and wasn't thinking correctly when he agreed to the 1 Million fee. Phil also claims that the "retainer" wasn't a non-refundable retainer - and that per Shapiro's "billable hours", Phil has a huge chunk of the money due back to him, as Shapiro hadn't spent much time on his case/arrest - Phil claims Bob was giving his other client at the time - Michael Jackson (I believe) all his attention and time and ignoring Phil's situation.

THEREFORE - - - in order for Shapiro to DEFEND this lawsuit from Phil, he will need to show that this fee was fair and that he didn't take advantage of his client and he earned every penny of that $1 million. I believe he will do this by explaining fully to the court, exactly the situation Phil was in and ALL that Shapiro did in such a short period of time to get "this man" released on bail and back home. A MAN THAT WAS THROWN IN JAIL AFTER A WOMAN WAS FOUND DEAD IN HIS HOME FROM AN ORAL GUNSHOT WOUND. A MAN THAT DIDN'T CALL POLICE. A MAN WHO OWNED THE GUN THAT WAS USED THAT MORNING. A MAN WHO WAS THE ONLY OTHER PERSON IN THE HOUSE, EXCEPT FOR THE DEAD WOMAN. AND THE SAME MAN WHO ALSO SHOUTED OUT STATEMENTS TO THE POLICE WHEN THEY ARRIVED AT THE SCENE THAT SUGGESTED TO THEM THAT THIS MAN IS THE ONE THAT FIRED THE GUN - AS HE STATED THAT IS WAS AN ACCIDENT, THAT HE COULD EXPLAIN - BUT THEN DIDN'T. THE SAME MAN WHO APPEARED TO THE POLICE AS BEING INTOXICATED. THE POLICE ALSO HAVE A WITNESS THAT STATES THIS SAME MAN CONFESSED TO HIM, SECONDS AFTER THE GUN WENT OFF, SAYING "I THINK I KILLED SOMEBODY" AND HE SAID IT TO THIS WITNESS WHILE HOLDING THE GUN AND WITH BLOOD ON HIS FINGER.

Shapiro is also going to set out to prove that Phil was of "sound mind" when he agreed to the $1 million fee - as opposed to what Phil is claiming.

It's my guess that Shapiro has plenty of additional "INSIDE INFORMATION" about this murder, that could possibly rear it's ugly head, if Shapiro is forced to defend himself against these claims from a client. SO I DON'T THINK Phil is at all worried that the CIVIL CASE will help Shapiro - What I believe Phil is worried about, is that SHAPIRO'S case/defense of this lawsuit, WOULD/COULD HELP THE CLARKSON ATTORNEY's with their CIVIL CASE.

As others have said, Phil is all about "wanting his cake and eating it too." He wants to sue Shapiro, but not allow Shapiro's legal right to depose Spector before a trial is held. He just wants to tie Shapiro's hands at defending himself against Phil's lawsuit. Spector doesn't even want to agree to a "STAY" of the lawsuit against Shapiro - which is ridiculous. This only means that ALL JUDICIAL PROCEEDINGS STOP temporarily until after the CIVIL CASE is completed. (I would guess that the APPEAL wouldn't be effected, positively or negatively, by any deposition given by Phil for the Spector vs Shapiro lawsuit.) It will be interesting to learn what happens today if the hearing takes place as planned . . I would imagine that the judge would just tell Spector's attorney that either (A) go ahead and agree to deposition so this lawsuit can continue forward or (B) agree to a STAY of proceedings until after the civil case is completed.

[Details]

I get what you're saying, but I still don't get why the civil trial or the appeal would have anything to do with it... most likely why I'm not an atty. LOL It just seems to me that the outcome of the any the cases would have no bearing on what work Shapiro did/did not do on behalf of PS prior to being replaced by the other attys.
....Hmmm....

So - Phil is saying, if I understand it right, he won't testify because it'd be stuff that might hurt his appeal, and Shapiro says he has to for his case for the million dollars...

The only things that could hurt the appeal would be if Spector let Shapiro know about more facts about that night that would hurt his case - maybe even said he did it which would be why Shapiro (IIRC) was pushing for a plea, and left when Spector wouldn't cooperate? Maybe something Shapiro found out while starting the trial went against Spector - results from forensics scientists hired to evaluate the evidence, etc.

So I can see plenty of possible reasons the case has to be on hold until Spector is willing to testify. Shapiro has to make a case that he earned the million, or that Spector walked away from it, not him. So it'd seem it'd be about what Shapiro did to earn the money, or about Spector refusing good legal counsel worth that million.

[oodi]

My2Cents and Details... thanks for the explanations/theories. It makes more sense now.

Although... in order for Shapiro to reveal any specific details about any information he has concerning Lana's murder, wouldn't PS have to sign a waiver in order for Shapiro to be able to violate the atty/client priveledge? I just can't see PS willing to do that at any point in time.

[dref99]

My2Cents and Details... thanks for the explanations/theories. It makes more sense now.

Although... in order for Shapiro to reveal any specific details about any information he has concerning Lana's murder, wouldn't PS have to sign a waiver in order for Shapiro to be able to violate the atty/client priveledge? I just can't see PS willing to do that at any point in time.

Phil is suing (sp) his lawyer so I think the atty/client part may be void (but I could be wrong). If you read the original deposition, Shapiro was asking Phil about what happened in the aftermath of the murder. Where it touched on events at the castle, Phil took the 5th.

http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/courtnews/ui/HPDocumentList.aspx?title=Phillip+Spector+vs+Rober t+Shapiro&casenum=BC317958&date=2004-07-01%2014:56:07

This would no doubt happen again - but after all appeals, presumably Phil could no longer take the 5th (although he would probably still refuse to answer some questions).

IMO Shapiro well earned his money & I agree with ideas that Shapiro worked a deal for MS that Phil refused (no proof whatsoever apart from an article in the UK press toward the end of trial 1, long gone from anywhere).


jmo

[bearwds]

$1,000,000.00

$166,000.00...over 6 years

$13,888.88....a month

$3,472.22...a week

$496.03...a day

For a murderer who spent $450.00 on bistro tips, not a bad deal.

In fact, would be willing to bet that he would spend $496.03 a day to remove himself from his present lodgings.


bearwds

[Jayne]

Non refundable retainer..California Bar

It is an amount paid to "retain" a lawyer..it cannot be a normal retainer where the time put in is "charged". It is simply money to "contract" the attorney for any help, assistance, representation "in the future" which is then Billed. Considering Shapiro's reputation, that wouldn't be seen as unreasonable, I don't think.

However, if it were not a non refundable retainer, then it is money put into a client's trust account and the amounts for work done/completed are to be drawn out ASAP to the attorney...the remainder left there.

I haven't read all the posts, nor do I know the "agreement" (attorney/client agreement). But, even if it were monies held for services given, I'd say, under Shapiro's probably hourly billing (or case billing) that he earned every penny.''

jmo

J

PS should give it a break..it's over

[Jayne]

Attorney/Client privilege lasts forever...In CA..an attorney can never cross that barrier. (with a few very specific exemptions)

If the case is about Monies..that's what it is about..nothing else.

If it is malpractice..some other things come in. But there is No Way Shapiro can (or ever should) say anything about what PS said to him..he'd lose his license. This case is about Money..bottom line.

jmo

J

[dref99]

Attorney/Client privilege lasts forever...In CA..an attorney can never cross that barrier. (with a few very specific exemptions)

If the case is about Monies..that's what it is about..nothing else.

If it is malpractice..some other things come in. But there is No Way Shapiro can (or ever should) say anything about what PS said to him..he'd lose his license. This case is about Money..bottom line.

jmo

J

Ah - many thanks Jayne - I did watch the Darren Mack trial - but he released his attorneys from the privilege - didn't seem to be a very smart move!

jmo

[Eagleeye]

Phil Spector would most likely be out by now if he had taken Shapiro's advice and pled to Involuntary Manslaughter and he would still have a lot of his money left. I guess ego has it's price.

[Jayne]

Ah - many thanks Jayne - I did watch the Darren Mack trial - but he released his attorneys from the privilege - didn't seem to be a very smart move!

jmo

absolutely stupid move..

you do not bite the hand that feeds you...

God bless those great attorneys...

jmo

J

[Themis]

Civil Suits filed against Spector

Doesn't Spector have a reputation for not paying for services rendered?

I also believe Spector himself has a reputation for being litigious -- having sued several people in the past for various and sundry reasons.

IIRC from info that surfaced during, but outside of, Trial #1 several lawyers have had to sue Spector over the years for non payment of services rendered.

Then there was the Westin Bonaventure Hotel in downtown L.A. who filed suit against Spector and wife for $104,000 back in June 2008. I read where it was settled but do not know if the hotel got all their money.

Maybe Spector just loves courtrooms; I remember reading many years ago he took classes to be a court reporter.:wink:

I agree with previous posters in believing that Shapiro earned his fee in February 2003.

[RootBeer]

From what I have read about Phil, he is strange about money. Cheapo one minute and big spender the next.

[hiitsme]

From what I have read about Phil, he is strange about money. Cheapo one minute and big spender the next.

Only a big spender when it was self serving! His delusional sense of grandiosity and entitlement led him to believe that everyone else owed him when it came to settling his debts!

[vonna]

Only a big spender when it was self serving! His delusional sense of grandiosity and entitlement led him to believe that everyone else owed him when it came to settling his debts!

I think many of us have known people like that. They're also people who can be cheap with their families but generous to strangers.

[Jayne]

i think many of us have known people like that. They're also people who can be cheap with their families but generous to strangers.


absolutely!!

[kennedy06]

Only a big spender when it was self serving! His delusional sense of grandiosity and entitlement led him to believe that everyone else owed him when it came to settling his debts!

I had remembered this old article in which he was compared to another in his tipping. I hadn't read this in so long, interesting little things throughout, such as a mention of 2 court cases he was a stenographer for, some incident with a Japenese business man, Robert S. is mentioned. There are things mentioned that I believe have been clarified and/or corrected from what what we have come to understand from the trials of course, concerning Lana and maybe PS, but it was written only a few months after the shooting.JMO

http://www.vanityfair.com/fame/features/2003/06/spector200306?currentPage=1

[My 2 Cents]

WOW . . . Rachelle's new publicist, Hal Lifson, is really working over-time to sell Rachelle to the public and give Chelle HER "day in the sun".

http://www.rachellespector.com/about.html (the actual HOME PAGE is just the rachellespector.com site)

The "ABOUT RACHELLE" section is interesting. She says she has recorded and finished, 3 MASTERED SIDES to an album that she's working on and that she says Phil was the producer on. She says she's going to record 7 more tracks for the album. . . her style: "pop/rock" and "contemporary dance".

She has several LINKS listed on her site, a few I thought were different choices. For example, a LINk to a company that makes HAIR EXTENSIONS. Maybe she wears their hair extensions - she doesn't look like she has any. She is pictured in front of her new SMART CAR that Phil bought her during the trial and has a LINK to the Beverly Hills Smart Car website. Now why would Rachelle even want a SMART CAR? Is she concerned about the environment? Or does heating/cooling a "castle" with 35 bedrooms and only 1 occupant conflict with that view? I just can't even picture her driving around in that. Doesn't seem to fit her style IMO. Other than it is a cute little car - it looks like it should have a little WIND UP KEY on the top of the roof. Sure looks like a death trap, if you ask me.

I also noticed that the NEWS section has what looks like, all of Rachelle's media interviews. It says in her "About Rachelle" section that she has been doing TELEVISION and NEWSPAPER INTERVIEWS "AROUND THE WORLD" in an effort to speak out on her husband's behalf. . . . but the LINKS to interviews consisted of Pittsburgh, Palm Springs and the Los Angeles area - so far. I guess that could be considered "around the world", depending on whether you head EAST or WEST from Pittsburgh in order to reach Palm Springs. :wink:

Anyway . . . I'd say Hal Lifson looks like he's doing a pretty good job so far. It is most certainly an improvement over Rachelle's previous postings on this same website, like "I (heart) PHIL - the Evil Judge Must (well - you know) . . . or posting horrible and thoughtless pictures of other people with cruel and humiliating captions underneath. Perhaps Phil should have assigned a "handler" to Rachelle long ago - IMO.

[RayStar]

I imagine that being confined is tough on PS. However, it is only a temporary situation if he lives to get parole. I read somewhere he wants an Ipod and a computer. I know inmates get radios and TVs.

[bearwds]

Thanks for the link my2cents. What a bunch of bs Rachelle is trying to sell daily. Every line on it is a joke. One thing Rachelle lies about is "I love remodeling homes". Why didn't she do that at the mansion? It's still stuck in the early 80's and broken down.

How many television shows has she been on? 1 that I know of. Interviews around the world? How? She can sing? NO

Delusional is she at all times.

jmo

:rolleyes:

**************************************

Well, it's worked pretty well for her so far.......

I subscribe to AOL. It's just now (just now) Linking to the Harriet Ryan info for the Xmas list of I-Pod, TV, and a Sony Playstation, excuse me, computer....:rolleyes:

A bunch of "comments", if one has the stomach.

Well, I guessed Kern right, but blew it on Corcoran. Oh well.

Next guess will be prison job......groundskeeper. <<Groundskeeper Philly>> (apol to Simpson's)


bearwds

[True2Blues]

WOW . . . Rachelle's new publicist, Hal Lifson, is really working over-time to sell Rachelle to the public and give Chelle HER "day in the sun".

http://www.rachellespector.com/about.html (the actual HOME PAGE is just the rachellespector.com site)

The "ABOUT RACHELLE" section is interesting. She says she has recorded and finished, 3 MASTERED SIDES to an album that she's working on and that she says Phil was the producer on. She says she's going to record 7 more tracks for the album. . . her style: "pop/rock" and "contemporary dance".

She has several LINKS listed on her site, a few I thought were different choices. For example, a LINk to a company that makes HAIR EXTENSIONS. Maybe she wears their hair extensions - she doesn't look like she has any. She is pictured in front of her new SMART CAR that Phil bought her during the trial and has a LINK to the Beverly Hills Smart Car website. Now why would Rachelle even want a SMART CAR? Is she concerned about the environment? Or does heating/cooling a "castle" with 35 bedrooms and only 1 occupant conflict with that view? I just can't even picture her driving around in that. Doesn't seem to fit her style IMO. Other than it is a cute little car - it looks like it should have a little WIND UP KEY on the top of the roof. Sure looks like a death trap, if you ask me.

I also noticed that the NEWS section has what looks like, all of Rachelle's media interviews. It says in her "About Rachelle" section that she has been doing TELEVISION and NEWSPAPER INTERVIEWS "AROUND THE WORLD" in an effort to speak out on her husband's behalf. . . . but the LINKS to interviews consisted of Pittsburgh, Palm Springs and the Los Angeles area - so far. I guess that could be considered "around the world", depending on whether you head EAST or WEST from Pittsburgh in order to reach Palm Springs. :wink:

Anyway . . . I'd say Hal Lifson looks like he's doing a pretty good job so far. It is most certainly an improvement over Rachelle's previous postings on this same website, like "I (heart) PHIL - the Evil Judge Must (well - you know) . . . or posting horrible and thoughtless pictures of other people with cruel and humiliating captions underneath. Perhaps Phil should have assigned a "handler" to Rachelle long ago - IMO.

As long as it's Chelle speaking, it's a hopeless cause.

I'd say she got a Smart car, because she thinks it means the car has a brain and will keep her from crashing it. How many of PS's car did she crash? Two or three, something like that.

[True2Blues]

**************************************

Well, it's worked pretty well for her so far.......

I subscribe to AOL. It's just now (just now) Linking to the Harriet Ryan info for the Xmas list of I-Pod, TV, and a Sony Playstation, excuse me, computer....:rolleyes:

A bunch of "comments", if one has the stomach.

Well, I guessed Kern right, but blew it on Corcoran. Oh well.

Next guess will be prison job......groundskeeper. <<Groundskeeper Philly>> (apol to Simpson's)


bearwds

Actual physical labor? Not a chance.

[Nic99]

Actual physical labor? Not a chance.

Oh right, sorry, you know do you. Bash Rachelle OR bash Phil OR even better bash both, hey its allowed here isn't it. Well actually I think its in poor taste and you need to concentrate on the title of this thread and that is trials, ie, appeal and civil trial. It is NOT bashing of those who are unable to defend themselves here:thumbdown:

[hiitsme]

Oh right, sorry, you know do you. Bash Rachelle OR bash Phil OR even better bash both, hey its allowed here isn't it. Well actually I think its in poor taste and you need to concentrate on the title of this thread and that is trials, ie, appeal and civil trial. It is NOT bashing of those who are unable to defend themselves here:thumbdown:

You should take your own advice and also stick to the thread title. As previously requested, where's the information which makes you so certain that Phil Spector will have a successful appeal and be freed within a year?

[NotAgain]

Thanks M2C for the link.

Before clicking on it, make sure your food has digested.

[True2Blues]

Oh right, sorry, you know do you. Bash Rachelle OR bash Phil OR even better bash both, hey its allowed here isn't it. Well actually I think its in poor taste and you need to concentrate on the title of this thread and that is trials, ie, appeal and civil trial. It is NOT bashing of those who are unable to defend themselves here:thumbdown:

I think you need to quit telling other people what to post and let Coldwater do the moderating.

If you don't like my posts, ignore them, like I do yours.

[True2Blues]

Did the hearing about the Shapiro case happen and if so, does anyone know the outcome?

[Anakerie]

Did the hearing about the Shapiro case happen and if so, does anyone know the outcome?

I haven't been able to find anything about the hearing that was scheduled for yesterday... Google only brings up old articles about the case. Darn it.

[RootBeer]

Maybe she had more important things to do; like supporting her husband through his trial; everything would take second place to that. Doing what a loving wife would 'normally' do. I sure wouldn't want my partner decorating if I was embroiled in a trial:rolleyes:

I am just guessing, but maybe they were told not to change the place too much until after the verdict.

:confused:

[True2Blues]

I haven't been able to find anything about the hearing that was scheduled for yesterday... Google only brings up old articles about the case. Darn it.

Thank you.

[dref99]

Oh right, sorry, you know do you. Bash Rachelle OR bash Phil OR even better bash both, hey its allowed here isn't it. Well actually I think its in poor taste and you need to concentrate on the title of this thread and that is trials, ie, appeal and civil trial. It is NOT bashing of those who are unable to defend themselves here:thumbdown:

Certainly nothing I know of would stop Rachelle from posting on here - and apart from that you choose to use the word "bashing", I found nothing but a discussion of current information on the web.


MB has a post with info from a Spector fan, she wasn't too keen on the new website either
http://mcontrolblogs.blogspot.com/2009/06/rachelle-taking-it-too-far-guest-blog.html

jmo

[dref99]

Somewhere I have the logs from the Depo between Shapiro and PS, I know I copied them and have them somewhere. If I locate what drive they are on, I'll try to post them. He refused to answer and plead the 5th on some questions I thought. it's been so long.


The original complaint is online here Phillip Spector vs Robert Shapiro -
http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/courtnews/ui/HPDocumentList.aspx?title=Phillip+Spector+vs+Rober t+Shapiro&casenum=BC317958&date=2004-07-01%2014:56:07

The deposition is given within "the state vs Phillip Spector" 3/19/2005 88 pages - towards the bottom of the list
http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/courtnews/ui/HPDocumentList.aspx?title=People+vs.+Phillip+Spect or&casenum=BA255233&date=2008-11-03%2009:48:13

Phil withdrew, but restarted during trial 2 - Shapiro is now trying to get it dismissed or put on hold until all appeals are over, otherwise PS will continue to take the 5th.

jmo

[My 2 Cents]

Phillip Spector vs Robert L. Shapiro
CASE: BC382572
Filing Date: 12/19/2007
Court location:
111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles 90012
Department 69, Edward A Ferns Presiding

Plaintiff (Spector) – MICHAEL D. DEMPSEY, ESQ.
(previously Raymond Boucher, I believe)
Defendant (Shapiro) - GLASER WEIL FINK JACOB HOWARD & SHAPIRO
(previously, Eric Early, I believe)


FYI:
PREVIOUSLY: Spector vs Shapiro
CASE: BC317958
Filing Date: 6/1/2004
CASE DISMISSED: 12/2005 (dropped by Spector “without prejudice”, meaning he could refile at a later date).


REGARDING THE 2ND CASE FILED BY SPECTOR (vs SHAPIRO) IN 2007:

I haven’t read anything that specifically discusses any update on the Spector vs Shapiro lawsuit or what actually took place last Thursday, June 25th (for the hearing on Shapiro’s motion to have the case either dismissed or “stayed”, until Spector is done with his civil case and appeal – since Shapiro is being denied a proper chance at DISCOVERY information from Spector). HOWEVER, I “stumbled” across some updated info on the L.A Superior Court website that had some additional dates and actions listed re: this case.

IT APPEARS THAT THE HEARING LAST THURSDAY on the “MOTION TO DISMISS” WAS CANCELLED. Since it was cancelled by Shapiro (respondent), I wonder if it is possible that Spector agreed to drop this case again (“without prejudice”) and therefore Shapiro requested that the court take it “Off-Calendar”, allowing Spector’s attorney time to file the proper paperwork dropping the case. . . . . JUST A THOUGHT.

Anyway, here are the DATES and NOTATIONS that I “stumbled” upon:
(I would LINK to it, but it doesn’t work – won’t take you to it)

June 25, 2009 at 8:30am, Dept 69 - MOTION to DISMISS, “Off Calendar - Request of Respondent” (Shapiro)
June 22, 2009 –
Stipulation & Order continuing TRIAL DATE: Oct 5, 2009
Hearing on MOTION for Summary Judgment: August 20, 2009
MOTION to Dismiss or Stay Action AND All Pre-Trial Deadlines: June 25, 2009
June 18, 2009 – Amended MOTION to DISMISS (now includes STAY ACTION also)

June 3, 2009 – MOTION to DISMISS (filed by defendant/respondent)

June 3, 2009 – DECLARATION (of Lisa M. Zepeda, in support of defendants Motion to Dismiss), filed by defendant

April 6, 2009 – MOTION to COMPEL (I believe this was filed by Shapiro because Spector’s discovery answers were insufficient) – “off calendar” filed by petitioner (Spector) . . . I guess on April 6th, he had a pretty good excuse for that extention!

February 11, 2009 –
Stipulation & Order, continuing TRIAL DATE to: May 4, 2009
Hearing on Motion for Summary Judgment & all Pre-Trial Deadlines: April 1, 2009

January 16, 2009 – Declaration of Robert Shapiro and Eric Early

FUTURE HEARINGS: (?????)
October 14, 2009 @8:30AM Dept 69 - Motion for Summary Judgment (C/F 8-20-09)
December 2, 2009 @8:30AM, Dept 69 - Final Status Conference (T/D 12-14-09)
December 14, 2009 @9:30AM, Dept 69 – TRIAL (continued to 10/5/09 pursuant to stip & order filed 2-11-09)

(These DATES seem confusing, since they conflict with previously listed dates. Since the previously mentioned dates come 1st, I assume these dates won’t stand.)

I'm a little curious about the June 3rd DECLARATION of LISA ZEPEDA "in support of defendants motion to dismiss". Lisa Zepeda is listed as a litigation associate at Shapiro's law firm. She has only been with their firm since 2007. I wonder what she has to offer via a "declaration", supporting Shapiro's MOTION to DISMISS.

SORRY THIS WAS SO LONG - BUT I THOUGHT THE DATES AND MOTIONS WERE INTERESTING. :biggrin:

[dref99]

Hello my 2 cents

Many thanks - I didn't find all of those times and dates and facts and whatever. All I ever saw was a comment by Weinberg stating Phil would take the 5th for all questions related to the civil case from the Clarksons and the motion to dismiss by Shapiro.

I wonder if Phil thinks he has nothing left to lose - whatever cash he saves from anywhere will end up with the Clarksons, so he wants to give Shapiro grief?? From what I read, Phil hates to lose a legal action - I guess he has now lost the only one that really counts. He has also never had an opponent in a civil trial with as much money and legal savvy as Shapiro, so he really is thowing away cash that would be better spent compensating the Clarksons.

Being as Rachelle says she is covering all the business angles - perhaps she will submit something in support of the plaintiff :scared:

jmo

[True2Blues]

Thanks, My 2 Cents.

Maybe there will be a dismissal. I don't see PS getting his retainer back anyway.

[Spectorfan8]

The man goes to prison, like all of you wanted, and yet you still complain about him.

That is really sad.

BTW, those of you that talked your trash about me, do not really know me. It was also extremely child like.

Do not bother to reply to me, I am and have been out of here since before the verdict.

To those of you that befriended me, I will never forget.

Always,

Spectorfan8

[Details]

He's a murderer - should we venerate him? Although I don't see much in the line of complaints - more like people being quite happy there's one fewer murderer running free, and speculating about future legal cases. Not much luck for an appeal, but the Shapiro case is a bit more interesting - although I think he's out of luck there. He got million dollar advice, even though he didn't take it.

[barskin&co.]

He's a murderer - should we venerate him? Although I don't see much in the line of complaints - more like people being quite happy there's one fewer murderer running free, and speculating about future legal cases. Not much luck for an appeal, but the Shapiro case is a bit more interesting - although I think he's out of luck there. He got million dollar advice, even though he didn't take it.

That's right, Details. People claim was are "bashing" PS? Who needs to bash him? All we have to do is state the fact: he's a murderer.

[True2Blues]

Funny, many other voices. Oh wait, I mean "nics".

I'm at the head table my friend. I've already rejected Phil's appeal. That was a no brainer. imo Now who to prosecute next from my very powerful seat? <rubbing my hands together> LOL

:laugh:

Speaking of the murderer, Phil Spector. Did he get the toys he wanted? I hear his multiple requests to make him feel at home have all been rejected. No internet, no Ipod, no visitors, no candy, no wig, no tv..etc. Is he still eating out of a dog bowl like RS would have us believe?

Individual cells aren't wired for internet access. Even the prisons that are granting e-mail to prisoners have separate areas where inmates used restricted computers.

I know that PS feels like he's 'special', but I don't see the bankrupt state of California dropping everything to have his cell wired for internet access. :rolleyes: LOL

[Anakerie]

Individual cells aren't wired for internet access. Even the prisons that are granting e-mail to prisoners have separate areas where inmates used restricted computers.

I know that PS feels like he's 'special', but I don't see the bankrupt state of California dropping everything to have his cell wired for internet access. :rolleyes: LOL

From what I understand it's not the state prisons that have computers for the prisoners... That's the posh Federal prisons where the white collar criminals go... Nothing I've read about the prisons here in California indicates internet access for prisoners is available or even being considered.

Even Phil's TV when he gets it will not be what he has been accustomed to. No big screen, the TV will be a 13" one. No expanded cable access from what I understand, it's strictly local channels.. Not sure how that works, maybe it's a limited access cable that is piped through the prison? Dunno...

As for the ipod that Rachelle said was on his "wish list", I doubt if those are allowed either. Don't you have to connect an ipod to a computer to get the music on it? No computer = no music on the ipod? (I don't have an ipod so I don't know! lol!)

Spectorfan8, I don't know what provoked your post, but if you're not lurking here to see what answers you get, what was the point? Phil was convicted. Phil was sentenced. Phil has been assigned to Corcoran and will be staying there until the STATE decides to move him. (Still trying to figure out what kind of complaints we've made about Phil... :confused: I know I haven't "complained".. Just commented about.) Anyway, Spectorfan8, I hope you can find some peace of mind somewhere...

[NotAgain]

:seeya: Hey, who to condemn next is tough. So many choices. :laugh:


When will PS get to his final home away from home? Will there be a new mug shot?

SF8--- I am very happy Phil is locked away to keep him from killing other innocent women... or men... since Doron said to the jury that PS was an equal opportunity bully.

Have gun, will bully :confused:

[True2Blues]

From what I understand it's not the state prisons that have computers for the prisoners... That's the posh Federal prisons where the white collar criminals go... Nothing I've read about the prisons here in California indicates internet access for prisoners is available or even being considered.

Even Phil's TV when he gets it will not be what he has been accustomed to. No big screen, the TV will be a 13" one. No expanded cable access from what I understand, it's strictly local channels.. Not sure how that works, maybe it's a limited access cable that is piped through the prison? Dunno...

As for the ipod that Rachelle said was on his "wish list", I doubt if those are allowed either. Don't you have to connect an ipod to a computer to get the music on it? No computer = no music on the ipod? (I don't have an ipod so I don't know! lol!)

Spectorfan8, I don't know what provoked your post, but if you're not lurking here to see what answers you get, what was the point? Phil was convicted. Phil was sentenced. Phil has been assigned to Corcoran and will be staying there until the STATE decides to move him. (Still trying to figure out what kind of complaints we've made about Phil... :confused: I know I haven't "complained".. Just commented about.) Anyway, Spectorfan8, I hope you can find some peace of mind somewhere...

You're right, the music for an ipod has to be downloaded from a computer. Unless he gets the wife to do it, he wouldn't be able to use one. That's if it's allowed.

[NotAgain]

http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/2009/07/will-you-pay-to-hear-rachelle-spector.html

[Anakerie]

http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/2009/07/will-you-pay-to-hear-rachelle-spector.html
I'll admit I'm curious what Rachelle could say to introduce a film she probably never heard of before... But not curious enough to drive down to Southern California, nor curious enough to pay for a ticket to the theater to see/hear her.

I guess this film she's introducing has a bit of a following, but I have to wonder how many people attending will pay attention to what she says.. Is she going to stand up there and talk about how "innocent" Phil is? Is she going to stand up there and talk about how horribly Phil is being treated in prison?

[hiitsme]

I'll admit I'm curious what Rachelle could say to introduce a film she probably never heard of before... But not curious enough to drive down to Southern California, nor curious enough to pay for a ticket to the theater to see/hear her.

I guess this film she's introducing has a bit of a following, but I have to wonder how many people attending will pay attention to what she says.. Is she going to stand up there and talk about how "innocent" Phil is? Is she going to stand up there and talk about how horribly Phil is being treated in prison?

I am curious too. I would think that for those who admired his "genius" are attending to revisit that day and time. An introduction by Rachelle who was not even born then would be a distraction and a reminder of the murder and where PS sits today. What were they thinking?

[vonna]

Temporary home away from home; don't forget the successful appeal that is looming:thumbsup: Also, remember a US jury doesn't always get it right do they?? Or maybe you think they do, hmmmm.......

Visual is fine by all and has already been seen, so nothing new there imo of course.

Perhaps not - but they surely got it right this time!

[hiitsme]

Temporary home away from home; don't forget the successful appeal that is looming:thumbsup: Also, remember a US jury doesn't always get it right do they?? Or maybe you think they do, hmmmm.......

Visual is fine by all and has already been seen, so nothing new there imo of course.

An appeal is "looming"? Please tell those of us who live in the US when the motion was filed with the appellate court and better still what are the grounds for the appeal?

[hiitsme]

iggy you go mcannie/nic99.

Does Phil Spector know MJ over dosed? Wonder if he is aware?

imo

I really wonder how many people, if any, are actually 'embracing" or even supporting him since settling into his new home. Without getting into my personal thoughts about MJ and his life, I will say that he was a philanthropist and a person who loved his children and cared about the people in this world. PS was self absorbed and cared about noone but himself, so I'd be surpised if he had any reaction at all. MOO

[vonna]

Right. IMO he would only care if he owned rights to MJ's songs - and that their value has increased now. I do look forward to getting past this whole appeal thing so it will be settled at last. Wonder how long it will take?

I still say there's not a chance for a 'successful' appeal. Remember that the Spector team attempted to get JF disqualified to hear the second trial - without success - since there was a fair trial.

[Nic99]

I agree - but I'm tired of the argument, aren't you? I look forward to it being over with - and the same with the civil suit.
Then the families involved can get on with their lives. I would think Lana's family needs peace to heal - and PS and Rachelle need to deal with the reality of what is left of their lives. I'll be interested to see what they do once the dust has finally settled.

Yeah I'm also tired of the argument, BUT, we are talking about peoples' lives here, so, this needs to be done correctly, unlike the trial, without prejudice and justice to be served to PS. He is not a scapegoat for other trials, but as such, I believe was used as one, on top of other things.

I am very sorry for Lana's family and her loss, but this was not the fault of PS and he is no harm to any living soul on this planet, so lets get on with the appeal and the faults with the trial, which I have mentioned numerous times before, and set him free, to live the rest of his life.

[Anakerie]

An appeal is "looming"? Please tell those of us who live in the US when the motion was filed with the appellate court and better still what are the grounds for the appeal?

I've got a google news alert set up for Phil (among other news items that I am watching) and I check it daily in my rss reader... I have yet to see any kind of news of an appeal being filed, in fact I haven't even seen anything about the preliminary paperwork being filed for that "looming appeal". I don't know for sure which of Phil's lawyers will be the one filing the "looming appeal", but if it's Weinberg, he's a bit busy right now being the defense attorney for William Ayers, the psychiatrist who is accused of molesting young men in his "care"... The defense and prosecution rested this week, so perhaps Weinberg will be available to do appeal stuff for Phil while the Ayers jury is out.... :shrug:

I just don't see the appeal being successful. The trial was fair.. The judge made the proper rulings, in fact, he was very lenient towards the defense.. I'm thinking about the perjury charges that could have been brought against one of PHIL's witnesses. Judge Fidler has a reputation for having the fewest trials and rulings being overturned by appeals. (No link but I remember discussions about his reputation back during trial 1.. ) I think Phil and his fans will have to resign themselves to waiting for the 19 years to run out... Meanwhile Phil's wife can be furthering her own "career".... Oh well.

[Alibi Ike]

Yeah I'm also tired of the argument, BUT, we are talking about peoples' lives here, so, this needs to be done correctly, unlike the trial, without prejudice and justice to be served to PS. He is not a scapegoat for other trials, but as such, I believe was used as one, on top of other things.

I am very sorry for Lana's family and her loss, but this was not the fault of PS and he is no harm to any living soul on this planet, so lets get on with the appeal and the faults with the trial, which I have mentioned numerous times before, and set him free, to live the rest of his life.

I believe that by the time a motion for appeal is filed and heard, Phil will be a very elderly man and no one, including him, will care at that point. His supporters should move on because he is where he'll be for a very long time. Justice is just beginning for Lana's loved ones and deservedly so.

[Themis]

Yeah I'm also tired of the argument, BUT, we are talking about peoples' lives here, so, this needs to be done correctly, unlike the trial, without prejudice and justice to be served to PS. He is not a scapegoat for other trials, but as such, I believe was used as one, on top of other things.

I am very sorry for Lana's family and her loss, but this was not the fault of PS and he is no harm to any living soul on this planet, so lets get on with the appeal and the faults with the trial, which I have mentioned numerous times before, and set him free, to live the rest of his life.

With reference to the text which I have bolded, no one here can help you or P.S. with his appeal.

You need to write letters to both of these attorneys:

Doron Weinberg, 523 Octavia Street, San Francisco, CA 94102-4313

Dennis Riodan, 523 Octavia Street San Francisco, CA 94102-4313

[vonna]

Yeah I'm also tired of the argument, BUT, we are talking about peoples' lives here, so, this needs to be done correctly, unlike the trial, without prejudice and justice to be served to PS. He is not a scapegoat for other trials, but as such, I believe was used as one, on top of other things.

I am very sorry for Lana's family and her loss, but this was not the fault of PS and he is no harm to any living soul on this planet, so lets get on with the appeal and the faults with the trial, which I have mentioned numerous times before, and set him free, to live the rest of his life.

Just how do you figure it was not Phil's fault? This should be interesting!

[True2Blues]

Oh my - I have no idea in what way he was a scapegoat for (which??)other trials - or in what way he was tried and convicted by the media as other posters have suggested. We couldn't get the media to take any interest in this trial and we had to rely on bloggers and tweeters to report on what was happening every day.
If the successful appeal is so obvious to you do you have any idea why they haven't filed it? Looming is a word that implies "soon" to me.... as in imminent or impending. Others suggest it will take many, many, many years.

PS has never been a scapegoat for any trial. Most people had no idea who he was when he murdered Lana Clarkson, or cared when they found out.

[dref99]

Yeah I'm also tired of the argument, BUT, we are talking about peoples' lives here, so, this needs to be done correctly, unlike the trial, without prejudice and justice to be served to PS. He is not a scapegoat for other trials, but as such, I believe was used as one, on top of other things.

I am very sorry for Lana's family and her loss, but this was not the fault of PS and he is no harm to any living soul on this planet, so lets get on with the appeal and the faults with the trial, which I have mentioned numerous times before, and set him free, to live the rest of his life.

My bold

It was done correctly - twice. The first time all but one juror voted guilty (a second juror reversed her guilty vote, to agree with the one person who voted not guilty). In the second trial, twelve jurors voted guilty. The death of Lana was proven in a court of law to be the fault of Phil Spector.

Like all convicted murderers, if there are valid reasons for an appeal, he will be granted one. It will take a large amount of time to even consider if an appeal is warranted - as has been explained to you in great detail many times. Talking of an appeal and the verdict being overturned, as if both will happen in the near future, is truly living in a fool's paradise.

jmo

[Nic99]

My bold

It was done correctly - twice. The first time all but one juror voted guilty (a second juror reversed her guilty vote, to agree with the one person who voted not guilty). In the second trial, twelve jurors voted guilty. The death of Lana was proven in a court of law to be the fault of Phil Spector.

Like all convicted murderers, if there are valid reasons for an appeal, he will be granted one. It will take a large amount of time to even consider if an appeal is warranted - as has been explained to you in great detail many times. Talking of an appeal and the verdict being overturned, as if both will happen in the near future, is truly living in a fool's paradise.

jmo

Yes, well I believe the jury were wrong and were prejudiced against PS due to AJ and also the testimony of Adianno DeSouza, who has now been extradited from the US as an illegal immigrant, oh, and the testimony of DO, who unfortunately had passed away by the second trial and couldn't be cross-examined. And how about the scientific evidence, the list is endless and there are good, solid reasons for an appeal imo. Crikey, the hearsay testimony that happened 20-30 yrs ago.

Unfortunately guns in America seem a part of day to day living and are rife, so it is no wonder people play with them at times, doesn't mean they are murderers or capable of such.

imo

[Anakerie]

I don't think anyone wants to discuss the trial again. PS has been convicted of murder and will sit in prison for the rest of his life where he belongs. Your comments as to seemingly know that an appeal has been filed and is "looming" in your words makes many of us curious as to where you are getting your information. You go so far as to say successful appeal, so if that's just your opinion please make it clear.

You're right as far as I'm concerned, the trial is done and over with. Phil was convicted by the jury and is serving his time. His attorneys will be going over the trial transcripts trying to find some kind of legal error that they can use for an appeal and someday in the future we might actually hear what kind of ruling the appeals court will come down with.

I'm thinking that the appeal is going to be one of those things that falls by the wayside because the media is no longer interested in Phil. If Phil were newsworthy, his 2nd trial would have had considerably more coverage. As far as the media was concerned during the 1st trial, I have a hunch that there would have been fewer reporters present if CTV hadn't been there with cameras. We'll be lucky to read a footnote about Phil's appeal being filed. And we'll have to watch the legal news for any kind of ruling.

What might hit the news in the LA area is the civil suit by the Clarkson family. I stress the word "might". The news media aren't that interested in civil suits even if they do involve a has-been former celebrity like Phil. If they were interested, we might have been able to locate a mention of the outcome of the hearing on June 25th about the Shapiro/Spector civil suit.
:shrug:

[FrankieBones1]

Just how do you figure it was not Phil's fault? This should be interesting!
Hi, Vonna. :wub:

I'd love to hear it as well.

There was another interesting question brought up earlier about Spector hearing about Jackson's death. I would imagine that news like that would have raced around the prison like wildfire.

[kennedy06]

Yes, well I believe the jury were wrong and were prejudiced against PS due to AJ and also the testimony of Adianno DeSouza, who has now been extradited from the US as an illegal immigrant, oh, and the testimony of DO, who unfortunately had passed away by the second trial and couldn't be cross-examined. And how about the scientific evidence, the list is endless and there are good, solid reasons for an appeal imo. Crikey, the hearsay testimony that happened 20-30 yrs ago.

Unfortunately guns in America seem a part of day to day living and are rife, so it is no wonder people play with them at times, doesn't mean they are murderers or capable of such.

imo

Adriano has been extradited! When? Was this in the news?

Poor guy comes to this great country and of all the people in that city does he get to drive but Phil. Gee I hope he at least tipped him as good as he did the waiters.

[Anakerie]

Adriano has been extradited! When? Was this in the news?

Poor guy comes to this great country and of all the people in that city does he get to drive but Phil. Gee I hope he at least tipped him as good as he did the waiters.
I've wondered about Adriano a few times since the trial ended.. I hadn't seen a word of news about him. Nic99 must have a secret news source or something.

[True2Blues]

Yes, well I believe the jury were wrong and were prejudiced against PS due to AJ and also the testimony of Adianno DeSouza, who has now been extradited from the US as an illegal immigrant, oh, and the testimony of DO, who unfortunately had passed away by the second trial and couldn't be cross-examined. And how about the scientific evidence, the list is endless and there are good, solid reasons for an appeal imo. Crikey, the hearsay testimony that happened 20-30 yrs ago.

Unfortunately guns in America seem a part of day to day living and are rife, so it is no wonder people play with them at times, doesn't mean they are murderers or capable of such.

imo

It is the job of the Prosecutor to present the case against the defendant. Just because you may not like evidence that doesn't support your belief, doesn't mean that it is prejudicial.

Adriano De Sousa was present at the scene, PS spoke to him, he saw Lana's body and he called 911. He recounted his experience of that night on the stand, just as he did to the police the morning of the crime. In fact, they played the video tape of the police questioning him.

Truly Prejudicial Evidence has no bearing on the case at hand, but is just to say something negative about someone, like Raul Julia Levy the defense was trying to get on the stand. Evidence that is more prejudicial than probative is disallowed by the Judge. That which is probative is allowed.

[True2Blues]

I've wondered about Adriano a few times since the trial ended.. I hadn't seen a word of news about him. Nic99 must have a secret news source or something.

I have too. I've looked for any news of him and not seen a thing.

[dref99]

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Unfortunately guns in America seem a part of day to day living and are rife, so it is no wonder people play with them at times, doesn't mean they are murderers or capable of such



This comment scares me somewhat - in my world guns are NOT toys and if "people play with them at times" and someone is killed - then that is murder.

If your statement is meant seriously - the only person at the party that night who liked to "play" with guns was Mr Spector. Shame he didn't treat them with the respect due

jmo

[True2Blues]

This comment scares me somewhat - in my world guns are NOT toys and if "people play with them at times" and someone is killed - then that is murder.

If your statement is meant seriously - the only person at the party that night who liked to "play" with guns was Mr Spector. Shame he didn't treat them with the respect due

jmo

Right, responsible gun owners, who outnumber criminals like PS by a huge amount, know that. It's just one of those comments anti gun people throw out without any actual knowledge or fact to back it.

Guns aren't toys and I've never felt inclined to play with any of mine. The gun isn't the problem, it's the people with no respect for the safety and lives of others. If it wasn't guns, it would be something else.

[dref99]

Right, responsible gun owners, who outnumber criminals like PS by a huge amount, know that. It's just one of those comments anti gun people throw out without any actual knowledge or fact to back it.

Guns aren't toys and I've never felt inclined to play with any of mine. The gun isn't the problem, it's the people with no respect for the safety and lives of others. If it wasn't guns, it would be something else.

I would disagree with your views on guns True2Blues - but that argument belongs elsewhere - I do agree that anyone who makes a statement about "playing with guns" has even less knowledge than me about guns. I don't own one, never will, and I have no idea why PS thought owning 14 guns was a good idea. It was obviously a disaster waiting to happen.

It is a shame he will never speak as to what happened. I am sure there is remorse there (for himself perhaps, rather than for others), and he is such a prime example of irresponsible gun ownership - both sides of the gun lobby could probably use him to support their cause - but there will be nothing good coming from the death of Lana.

I wish we knew more of the civil trial - it might stop others attempting to spend his dwinding supply of funds if it could be done and dusted.

jmo

[True2Blues]

I would disagree with your views on guns True2Blues - but that argument belongs elsewhere - I do agree that anyone who makes a statement about "playing with guns" has even less knowledge than me about guns. I don't own one, never will, and I have no idea why PS thought owning 14 guns was a good idea. It was obviously a disaster waiting to happen.

It is a shame he will never speak as to what happened. I am sure there is remorse there (for himself perhaps, rather than for others), and he is such a prime example of irresponsible gun ownership - both sides of the gun lobby could probably use him to support their cause - but there will be nothing good coming from the death of Lana.

I wish we knew more of the civil trial - it might stop others attempting to spend his dwinding supply of funds if it could be done and dusted.

jmo

Unfortunately, the media doesn't seem terribly interested in Civil Trials. OJ got attention, and the political couple, but PS may get lost in the Michel Jackson coverage that seems to be never ending.

Hopefully someone will write an article or two about it, so we have some tiny inkling of when it happens.

The comment about guns was made and I responded, just like you did, I'm not trying to start a gun debate that is off topic.
Never would those who support the rights of responsible gun owners use Spector as anything but the worst example.

[Details]

Adriano has been extradited! When? Was this in the news?

Poor guy comes to this great country and of all the people in that city does he get to drive but Phil. Gee I hope he at least tipped him as good as he did the waiters.Sure puts the lie to any idea that he was given a deal to get citizenship or some variant thereof, in exchange for testimony. He got to stay while his testimony was needed, then was kicked out. No deals there!


Of course, to believe in a deal, you have to believe it happened before the 911 call - so it's pretty ridiculous anyway - but this is another nail in the coffin.

[barskin&co.]

I've wondered about Adriano a few times since the trial ended.. I hadn't seen a word of news about him. Nic99 must have a secret news source or something.

Well, Adriano might have been (though I hope he wasn't), deported, perhaps having lost his immigrant status, but I feel quite sure he wasn't extradited, which is something quite different. But, as I said, I have heard nothing about deportation, either.

[barskin&co.]

He wasn't deported either. He's a good hard working man who is getting the education he deserves. imo

Phew! Good to hear. :thumbsup:

[barskin&co.]

Unfortunately guns in America seem a part of day to day living and are rife, so it is no wonder people play with them at times, doesn't mean they are murderers or capable of such.

imo

Whoa! Now, that is an example of tortured logic...and then some. Threatening people with guns (as PS did in recording studios), carrying concealed guns to parties (as PS did at the Joan Rivers party)...these are not actions I would blithely dismiss as "play[ing] with them at times." Holding people captive with guns (as PS did with woman after woman) is a very serious crime that it dealt with harshly by the law (and rightfully so). Just ask O J Simpson. PS belonged behind bars a years ago. Actually, he should have been locked away for life by a three strikes and you're out statute long before he had a chance to murder Lana.

[barskin&co.]

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AND Lets remember: always check under the bridge before believing what some posters have to say, LOL.

I should have known that. It's just like I said to George Clooney when we woke up in bed together this morning. I said, "George, my big honey bunny, I can never be sure how accurate the posts might be on an Internet mesage board."

[oodi]

Hi Oodi

I guess someone forgot who the criminal is here!

Hi hiitsme,

I think so too! But at least the real criminal in this case is where he belongs. He should take a page from Madoff's book, and refuse to file any appeal.

[Anakerie]

Hi hiitsme,

I think so too! But at least the real criminal in this case is where he belongs. He should take a page from Madoff's book, and refuse to file any appeal.
That would be nice, but I'm sure Phil's lawyers are looking forward to another large paycheck once they actually file something... :rolleyes:

[kennedy06]

Nic99, you posted that Adriano was extradited, this is a real person who might be suprised to hear that he was if he wasn't... he is/was a major witness in a high profile crime, and I would dare to guess a witness possibly in a large settlement civil suit case...that would be a big deal IMO...where did you come up with this information? You must have a way to verify this or I'm sure you wouldn't have posted that right? So is this inside information or do you now Adriano maybe, or what? JMO

[True2Blues]

Nic99, you posted that Adriano was extradited, this is a real person who might be suprised to hear that he was if he wasn't... he is/was a major witness in a high profile crime, and I would dare to guess a witness possibly in a large settlement civil suit case...that would be a big deal IMO...where did you come up with this information? You must have a way to verify this or I'm sure you wouldn't have posted that right? So is this inside information or do you now Adriano maybe, or what? JMO

In the first case, ADS stated that his lawyer had told them he felt the case could be settled and he could probably get a work permit.

We have millions and millions of illegals in this country committing serious crimes, why deport one who actually reported a crime?

I would like to know what happened in that situation.

[hiitsme]

In the first case, ADS stated that his lawyer had told them he felt the case could be settled and he could probably get a work permit.

We have millions and millions of illegals in this country committing serious crimes, why deport one who actually reported a crime?

I would like to know what happened in that situation.

Me too! This poor guy (an honest educated one I might add ) simply told LE what he saw and heard that night. I do not think for a minute he was thinking about his "status" in the US or anything else. This innocent human being saw his boss with a gun and that boss said emphatically, I think I killed someone or somebody."