Wednesday June 24/09 #1

[Tia]

I totally agree that Casey will never see daylight again....But I believe it will depend on the hung jury (if there is one) as to how the odds fall....If by some slim chance the odds are more then 1-11 and ends up being 5/7 or even 4/8...that can cause the state to reduce the murder one charge to a lesser one to insure a conviction on the second go round.....Of course I do not believe that would happen....but the prosecution has to be prepared just in the event.....I do believe that the state can reduce the charges depending on the way the hung jury comes in....

My personal thoughts are that the jury will be out for about 20 minutes and be unanimous with a guilty verdict.....:biggrin:

:lol::lol:

I think you may be right!!!! But 20 minutes may be a little long!

[Barbara fl.]

They were going to USE Haleigh and her family to promote their fraudation.



I just love your one liners......:thumbsup:

[GumShoeJoe]

I totally agree that Casey will never see daylight again....But I believe it will depend on the hung jury (if there is one) as to how the odds fall....If by some slim chance the odds are more then 1-11 and ends up being 5/7 or even 4/8...that can cause the state to reduce the murder one charge to a lesser one to insure a conviction on the second go round.....Of course I do not believe that would happen....but the prosecution has to be prepared just in the event.....I do believe that the state can reduce the charges depending on the way the hung jury comes in....

My personal thoughts are that the jury will be out for about 20 minutes and be unanimous with a guilty verdict.....:biggrin:

I'm with you, and I believe they could put 100 impartial people who never heard about this story on her jury and after hearing about her and the evidence, they would come back unanimous.

(Please check your PMs)

[AnniePie]

The day will forever go down in history when Cindy takes the stand at Casey's murder trial. How in heck is she ever going to remember all the lies and inconsistencies? Will they arrest her on perjury? She said herself that "lying is not a criminal offense", but under oath wouldn't that mean a bit more.

I so agree, Cynthia! I can see her little computer mind blanking out and then all these nuts and bolts and coils sproinging from her brain and a TILT! sign flashing above her head. :rolleyes: There is no way she can correctly remember all her moo poo.

:seeya: everyone!

[AnniePie]

IMO she wanted them to stay away from Lee so they didn't compare stories casey told them..So she made up the incest story..

I agree with you, Gert.

[Barbara fl.]

I'm with you, and I believe they could put 100 impartial people who never heard about this story on her jury and after hearing about her and the evidence, they would come back unanimous.

(Please check your PMs)


Thank you...I just did and I responded....

Barbara

[Imperfect4]

Hi :seeya:

Yep me too. I couldn't believe it.

Also there was never a sketch released of ZG. They could have done it through their lawyers wonder why they didn't?

jmo

Hey there!

Nope, no sketch. I thought at the time it was because the A's (and LE, of course) knew very well their daughter was lying, and they would open up a whole new can of worms putting out a composite sketch, only to have tips start coming in implicating innocent people who might resemble the sketch of the fictitious nanny. Even the A's were too bright for that maneuver, at least at that time.

Another thing that bugged me about those early C&G appearances was Cindy trying to make everyone who wasn't out beating the bushes looking for Caylee feel guilty ... yet she didn't give any solid starting point for where we should look. "Just get out there" doesn't quite cut it. Here she was, unwilling even to nail her odious daughter to the wall for more information about where the search for Caylee should begin, but she thought nothing of getting on national TV to browbeat the media and the public for not doing enough to help. She really infuriated me, right from the start.

[alisa31235]

Hi :seeya:

Yep me too. I couldn't believe it.

Also there was never a sketch released of ZG. They could have done it through their lawyers wonder why they didn't?

jmo

Hi.........I guess they thought the sketch artist would not be able to sketch a perfect "10"...... along with that i can`t get over never a plea for Caylee to be returned safely this family is weird IMO

[5boxersmom]

Hey there!

Nope, no sketch. I thought at the time it was because the A's (and LE, of course) knew very well their daughter was lying, and they would open up a whole new can of worms putting out a composite sketch, only to have tips start coming in implicating innocent people who might resemble the sketch of the fictitious nanny. Even the A's were too bright for that maneuver, at least at that time.

Another thing that bugged me about those early C&G appearances was Cindy trying to make everyone who wasn't out beating the bushes looking for Caylee feel guilty ... yet she didn't give any solid starting point for where we should look. "Just get out there" doesn't quite cut it. Here she was, unwilling even to nail her odious daughter to the wall for more information about where the search for Caylee should begin, but she thought nothing of getting on national TV to browbeat the media and the public for not doing enough to help. She really infuriated me, right from the start.

Or Cindy saying she only had an hour with Casey before LE got there the first night. Well heck what else would you be asking her? Instead they were making a myspace page. :rolleyes:

imo

[AnnieBell]

What got to me was when Cindy said to Casey in the background while she was on the phone with 911 "what have you done?"...I think that said it all for what Cindy was thinking.....

After everything we've read about this psycho pathic family that comment of "what have you done?" seems even darker now...her first instinct was to lash out at Casey, that statement was full of anger and suspicion...Cindy didn't physically reach out to comfort Casey, no verbal communication of pity,fear,concern or emotional support for a mother who (if this mother was normal and loved her child) would be so frantic with not knowing where her child was, even Lee's behavior is quite strange (as if we should be surprised) and I still haven't seen anything about George's behavior and interaction with Casey when he first got home. Curious as to why Cindy didn't find this situation tragic or urgent enough to contact George sooner or since he was "working" (and I use that word loosely) and unable to be reached by cellphone contact his employer and explain they had a family emergency?
It would be interesting to go back over everything, I suspect there are more clues there

[5boxersmom]

Hi.........I guess they thought the sketch artist would not be able to sketch a perfect "10"...... along with that i can`t get over never a plea for Caylee to be returned safely this family is weird IMO

That is true. I guess sketching a perfect 10 would be hard to do. :biggrin:

imo

[Barbara fl.]

Hey there!

Nope, no sketch. I thought at the time it was because the A's (and LE, of course) knew very well their daughter was lying, and they would open up a whole new can of worms putting out a composite sketch, only to have tips start coming in implicating innocent people who might resemble the sketch of the fictitious nanny. Even the A's were too bright for that maneuver, at least at that time.

Another thing that bugged me about those early C&G appearances was Cindy trying to make everyone who wasn't out beating the bushes looking for Caylee feel guilty ... yet she didn't give any solid starting point for where we should look. "Just get out there" doesn't quite cut it. Here she was, unwilling even to nail her odious daughter to the wall for more information about where the search for Caylee should begin, but she thought nothing of getting on national TV to browbeat the media and the public for not doing enough to help. She really infuriated me, right from the start.

And then Cindy had the nerve to say recently that anyone with a missing loved one should not turn down any help...yet didn't she turn down Tim Miller because he was searching for a deceased Caylee....ANYONE who has a loved one missing would want closure, no matter what....not knowing is the very worst...Look at what Jennifer Kessie's parents are going thru...I bet they would rather know that their daughter is deceased rather then to think that she is alive being tortured somewhere....I know I would want to know....

The only reason Cindy didn't want Tim Miller around was because the Anthony's didn't want the body to be found, thy knew what that meant as far as Casey is concerned....

[Imperfect4]

Caylee Anthony to 'Jon & Kate Plus 8': Children as props

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/06/caylee-anthony-to-jon-kate-plus-8-children-as-props-.html

imo

Dead on, imo.

Not only is the trend he discusses devastating our country and society, but imo, there will be a spiritual price to pay one day. I can't fathom there won't be. As human beings, we can't just keep doing this to the smallest and most vulnerable among us and not self-destruct.

[Barbara fl.]

After everything we've read about this psycho pathic family that comment of "what have you done?" seems even darker now...her first instinct was to lash out at Casey, that statement was full of anger and suspicion...Cindy didn't physically reach out to comfort Casey, no verbal communication of pity,fear,concern or emotional support for a mother who (if this mother was normal and loved her child) would be so frantic with not knowing where her child was, even Lee's behavior is quite strange (as if we should be surprised) and I still haven't seen anything about George's behavior and interaction with Casey when he first got home. Curious as to why Cindy didn't find this situation tragic or urgent enough to contact George sooner or since he was "working" (and I use that word loosely) and unable to be reached by cellphone contact his employer and explain they had a family emergency?
It would be interesting to go back over everything, I suspect there are more clues there


I agree...I would love to be able to track every thing that took place after Casey was found by Cindy....I bet it would be very telling to say the least....

[legalmania]

Baez got permission to take his laptop into the atty-client room with him I have no doubt he is allowing her to use it. How else could she view. That is not normally the case because he had to get permission from the Judge for that. How did Casey see the "memorial service" for Caylee when she is in her cell 23 hours a day? She has to fit her legal training, showers, etc into that one hour a day and all the other prisoners have to be in their cells, yet somehow she manged to view the memorial service.

I think there is a lot going on that is preferential treatment - her atty hugging her at least twice is preferential treatment in my opinion. Neither her atty or Casey have any respect for rules.

Wow my son almost burnt the kitchen down anyway from what I understand she was called out of her cell because they were going to tell her a body was found, she was standing in the hallway when she saw it on t.v. I don't find it so strange that an attorney brought a laptop in the conference room, when I was working for the defense we often would bring our laptops without the judges permission, because we had all our notes and things for the client to read over and make sure it was right. Wouldn't they have to have internet access. The room I use to go into had no signal, but that was before all this high tech stuff.

[EverMoth]

I'm waaaay behind here, and just started reading pg 1. I should prob read further before asking this, but if I wait I'll forget. sry

Reading the speculation that Casey might have been fathered by Geo's brother. Wow. Reminds me of that old hillbilly song - I'm My Own Grandpa.

Anyway - it brings to mind a question I've had for some time. Is it just me, or do y'all find it peculiar that none of the family's former friends, relatives, etc., have been interviewed by the media or have posted anywhere (or maybe they have and I don't know it)? If it were one of my daughters accused of a heinous crime, everyone would know everything about my past by now.

I'm just surprised that very little of this family's past has come to light. Do you think maybe this means their dirty little secrets are known by the DA and they've been asked to keep quiet until they testify at trial perhaps?

I've been craving info about family history. But then, I'm very nosey. And I'm in and out of here a lot... not enough time to keep up the way I'd like.

Very insightful post. I have felt, for some time now, that Casey might be blackmailing the Ants with the family secrets and is now getting ready to throw them under the bus. Of course, WHAT those secrets are, and if they exist, is speculation but I believe there is at least one huge, very taboo, secret that exists. A secret forbidden enough for the Ants to throw their dead grandbaby under the bus and protect their psychopathic nutcase of a daughter instead.

WHY is the father of Caylee "hush" "hush". It is so quiet it hasn't even been leaked through the rumor mill and a paternity test has been done. People DO know who it is. LE knows, the Ants know, Casey knows. I don't, for a minute, believe it was an old boyfriend who is now deceased.

Cindy and George absolutely knew, when retrieving that smelly car, that it was the smell of death. BOTH jumped to the conclusion that it was Caylee. George prayed that it wouldn't be his Caylee and Cindy slipped admitted it on the 911 call. The fact that they didn't immediately call 911 but went back to work instead (who the he!! could do that??) suggests that they were mulling over something. Calling 911 was sure to begin an investigation - not only into missing Caylee but would surely uncover many things about their family that were meant to remain hidden forever. This is all JMO.

[legalmania]

In the Higbee case the civil suit with the girls family was settled. The case with the other car was put on the inactive list until after the criminal trial. The case gets filed so the statute of limitations is not violated and then a motion is made to put it on the inactive list. You can still negotiate a settlement when the case is on the inactive list. Most times a plaintiff doesn't care if the criminal case goes first, because if they are found guilty then the liabiltiy portion of the case is proven.

JMO

They can't use any testimony in the civil trial correct?

[need2no]

My bolding. Entirely possible, imo. Cindy seems just as capable as Casey of saying whatever she needs to say in the moment to get her way ... without regard to consequences.

ITA.

Cindy and casey are both impulsive. They just behave, and run their mouths without giving any consideration to the consequences of their words or behavior.

After everything that was said in the media and on message boards after the first few times Cindy spoke out, you would think she would have gotten a clue and at least toned and quieted down somewhat. Apparently her narcissism has her convinced she has done no wrong so she keeps on keeping on.

[nothingnew]

Hi Nothingnew:

This has been known to happen on other Message Boards here as well, so, its always a good thing to add JMO or IMO to your post, if you aren't sure of the complete accuracy and there is no link....

Most times we don't find out until after the trial just what was or wasn't true.

Then, there are the insiders who claim to know what it going on, and that you just have to decide for yourself....!!

This case has a real advantage of some truth coming out on almost a daily basis, because of the way the laws in Florida work...

And,I think we are very lucky to know all that we do, at this point, and although it is fun to speculate or gossip about who the father of Caylee may be, I suppose it could be harmful or hurtful.

But, on the other hand, I don't see any malicious gossip being spread as I have in other cases which had less known facts to deal with.

I think it is only human nature to speculate on who the father may be, when one is not known or listed on the birth certificate.

JMO
IMO
and all that !!
Kat

Oh we are very "spoiled" with the Sunshine law, could you imagine how much we would have to speculate if we had to wait another year for the trial with no doc dumps? The gossip I was talking about was from last night when someone posted that it was "well documented" that cindy had an affair with her brother in law. I think if someone states that it's a proven fact then there would be a link and I would definitely remember that. IMO Caylee's birth dad was the guy married to "Tara", I think his name is Mark, there's so many it's hard to keeptrack. :ohmy:

[alisa31235]

That is true. I guess sketching a perfect 10 would be hard to do. :biggrin:

imo

Did Casey ever give a good discription of the nanny there has been so much from this family I can`t remember and where are the people that told George Caylee had been moved what was it 9 times and they were watching the kidnappers? Did they just make up things as they went along? And I wonder what they think when they see and hear all they have done on tv at trial will they have an excuse about there behavior? IMO

[Imperfect4]

Or Cindy saying she only had an hour with Casey before LE got there the first night. Well heck what else would you be asking her? Instead they were making a myspace page. :rolleyes:

imo

Only had an hour with her before LE got there. The implication being it was LE's fault.

But of course it was ... it had to be someone's fault, after all. Someone outside the family. :rolleyes:

[5boxersmom]

Did Casey ever give a good discription of the nanny there has been so much from this family I can`t remember and where are the people that told George Caylee had been moved what was it 9 times and they were watching the kidnappers? Did they just make up things as they went along? And I wonder what they think when they see and hear all they have done on tv at trial will they have an excuse about there behavior? IMO

She gave a description but it sounded an awful lot like her. LOL

Sometimes curly sometimes straight hair. I think she said she was 5'8"
Birthday in Sept. Mom's name Gloria. Can't remember anything else.

Yeah I don't know who was watching Caylee being moved 9 times. :rolleyes:

They would change their stories to fit with new evidence when it would come out I think.

imo

[Lapis]

They can't use any testimony in the civil trial correct?

Yes they can. Any testimony under oath can be used in the civil trial. I suspect however that the other case will settle as well. I think the plaintiff was using the outrage over the girls' deaths and the trooper's pending charges to negotiate a better settement. Now all that goes away. JMO

[5boxersmom]

Only had an hour with her before LE got there. The implication being it was LE's fault.

But of course it was ... it had to be someone's fault, after all. Someone outside the family. :rolleyes:

Well of course. They don't trust LE remember? That is why Casey didn't go to LE from day one. :rolleyes:

imo

[Barbara fl.]

Did Casey ever give a good discription of the nanny there has been so much from this family I can`t remember and where are the people that told George Caylee had been moved what was it 9 times and they were watching the kidnappers? Did they just make up things as they went along? And I wonder what they think when they see and hear all they have done on tv at trial will they have an excuse about there behavior? IMO



Yes, they made things up as they went along.....Yes, Casey gave a description of "Zenaida"....A ten....And the Anthony's could very well have been watching Caylee being moved (by the wildlife).....

This family is will never give an excuse for their behavior...they don't think they need one...

The Anthony's are in a catagory of their own.....(and not a very good catagory, might I add)..

[AnnieBell]

I don't take that quote to mean anything. I think Cindy was simply responding to Casey's own wording of "Give me one more day." "I already gave you thirty days," to me, refers to the fact that while Cindy might have been missing Caylee and bugging Casey to bring her by, she bided her time, gave Casey numerous chances to make an appearance on her own, and didn't take it upon herself to actually track Casey down until a month later. Semantics, nothing more.

As always, my own opinion.

I think we've discovered by now that everyone associated with this bag of fleas and their actions/statements cannot be trusted. Again, I think comments like this shouldn't be taken at face value. At the time IMO, Cindy made that comment she knew a great deal more about all of this then she has acknowledged. I just don't think these comments can be explained away as semantics.

[apothecary]

Very insightful post. I have felt, for some time now, that Casey might be blackmailing the Ants with the family secrets and is now getting ready to throw them under the bus. Of course, WHAT those secrets are, and if they exist, is speculation but I believe there is at least one huge, very taboo, secret that exists. A secret forbidden enough for the Ants to throw their dead grandbaby under the bus and protect their psychopathic nutcase of a daughter instead.

WHY is the father of Caylee "hush" "hush". It is so quiet it hasn't even been leaked through the rumor mill and a paternity test has been done. People DO know who it is. LE knows, the Ants know, Casey knows. I don't, for a minute, believe it was an old boyfriend who is now deceased.

Cindy and George absolutely knew, when retrieving that smelly car, that it was the smell of death. BOTH jumped to the conclusion that it was Caylee. George prayed that it wouldn't be his Caylee and Cindy slipped admitted it on the 911 call. The fact that they didn't immediately call 911 but went back to work instead (who the he!! could do that??) suggests that they were mulling over something. Calling 911 was sure to begin an investigation - not only into missing Caylee but would surely uncover many things about their family that were meant to remain hidden forever. This is all JMO.

But Cindy knew she had to call 911 at some time because if she didn't someone at her work would probably have done it because she told them about the dead body smell.

[Tia]

Very insightful post. I have felt, for some time now, that Casey might be blackmailing the Ants with the family secrets and is now getting ready to throw them under the bus. Of course, WHAT those secrets are, and if they exist, is speculation but I believe there is at least one huge, very taboo, secret that exists. A secret forbidden enough for the Ants to throw their dead grandbaby under the bus and protect their psychopathic nutcase of a daughter instead.

WHY is the father of Caylee "hush" "hush". It is so quiet it hasn't even been leaked through the rumor mill and a paternity test has been done. People DO know who it is. LE knows, the Ants know, Casey knows. I don't, for a minute, believe it was an old boyfriend who is now deceased.

Cindy and George absolutely knew, when retrieving that smelly car, that it was the smell of death. BOTH jumped to the conclusion that it was Caylee. George prayed that it wouldn't be his Caylee and Cindy slipped admitted it on the 911 call. The fact that they didn't immediately call 911 but went back to work instead (who the he!! could do that??) suggests that they were mulling over something. Calling 911 was sure to begin an investigation - not only into missing Caylee but would surely uncover many things about their family that were meant to remain hidden forever. This is all JMO.

Great post. I think you have the Anthony's pegged!

[JHP]

Only had an hour with her before LE got there. The implication being it was LE's fault.

But of course it was ... it had to be someone's fault, after all. Someone outside the family. :rolleyes:

Was it just an hour? I thought Cindy called 911, then they went for a car ride, called 911 LE didn't show up so Cindy called 911 a 3rd time. I could be wrong but I think it's close.

[nothingnew]

Imp, if you're all wet, it's raining here too.
I was floored when she said that she should have been home taking care of herself after Caylee's memorial and instead was helping get the media involved in Haleigh's disappearance.
MEMEMEMEMEMEMEME.

jmo

I, for one, would be most greatful if she would stay home and take care of herself, behind closed doors, in PRIVATE. If you go back and watch the memorial though she is just aglow! She was Queen For A Day! That was, in my opinion, a big day for cindy-she even got to say who couldn't get past the velvet ropes. Of course she wanted to be on the phone with the media and keep the momentum going and the cash flowing. Sad for her that no family with a missing child wants her anywhere in the vicinity.

[need2no]

Only had an hour with her before LE got there. The implication being it was LE's fault.

But of course it was ... it had to be someone's fault, after all. Someone outside the family. :rolleyes:

Reminds me of casey's comment to G & C- " I can't do anything to help from here. I have no internet access, no cell phone."
Too bad she couldn't figure all this out during the 31 days when she had internet access and a cell phone. :rolleyes:

Like mother, like daughter.

[JHP]

But Cindy knew she had to call 911 at some time because if she didn't someone at her work would probably have done it because she told them about the dead body smell.

Or the guy at the tow-yard. When Cindy texted Casey her comment was we have a problem. Very strange comment.

[Barbara fl.]

But Cindy knew she had to call 911 at some time because if she didn't someone at her work would probably have done it because she told them about the dead body smell.


I think that Cindy wanted very much to believe her daughter that Caylee was with her nanny "Zenaida" and when she over heard her telling Lee that she hadn't seen Caylee for 31 days, Cindy just flipped and probably for that one second thought that Zenaida actually had taken Caylee...so se called 911......But I honestly believe that had Cindy thought about it for more than a second, she would not have called 911 and ould have tried to hide the fact that Caylee was no longer around....

The Anthony's actions since tha 911 call has been nothing about Caylee and all about protecting the murderer....therefore I find it very hard to think tat they would have called 911 had they given it that second thought.....JMO

[legalmania]

Yes they can. Any testimony under oath can be used in the civil trial. I suspect however that the other case will settle as well. I think the plaintiff was using the outrage over the girls' deaths and the trooper's pending charges to negotiate a better settement. Now all that goes away. JMO

I had it confused with how much they settled for.

[Barbara fl.]

Or the guy at the tow-yard. When Cindy texted Casey her comment was we have a problem. Very strange comment.


Yes....very strange....I would have been out looking for my daughter and granddaughter immediately...

[Imperfect4]

Was it just an hour? I thought Cindy called 911, then they went for a car ride, called 911 LE didn't show up so Cindy called 911 a 3rd time. I could be wrong but I think it's close.

"Cindy said" it was an hour. :rolleyes:

[5boxersmom]

Was it just an hour? I thought Cindy called 911, then they went for a car ride, called 911 LE didn't show up so Cindy called 911 a 3rd time. I could be wrong but I think it's close.

She only had an hour with Casey after Casey told Lee ZG took Caylee.

Casey had not told her during the first 911 calls.

imo

[need2no]

Yes they can. Any testimony under oath can be used in the civil trial. I suspect however that the other case will settle as well. I think the plaintiff was using the outrage over the girls' deaths and the trooper's pending charges to negotiate a better settement. Now all that goes away. JMO

The civil suit was settled with the state for 2 million prior to the criminal trial. What goes away? :confused:

[apothecary]

I think Cindy thought that by blaming the disappearance of Caylee on a PuertoRican nanny that everyone would think the nanny took her to PR and that would be the end of it because this sort of thing has happened before.Casey spoiled the story by lying about her job and other things and LE had to look into it more deeply.

[Imperfect4]

I think that Cindy wanted very much to believe her daughter that Caylee was with her nanny "Zenaida" and when she over heard her telling Lee that she hadn't seen Caylee for 31 days, Cindy just flipped and probably for that one second thought that Zenaida actually had taken Caylee...so se called 911......But I honestly believe that had Cindy thought about it for more than a second, she would not have called 911 and ould have tried to hide the fact that Caylee was no longer around....

The Anthony's actions since tha 911 call has been nothing about Caylee and all about protecting the murderer....therefore I find it very hard to think tat they would have called 911 had they given it that second thought.....JMO

ITA. I don't think Cindy was positive Caylee was dead right away. I don't think she would've said anything to anyone at work about the smell if she was sure the baby was gone. I think being suspicious and concerned does not equal being sure, or knowing for sure.

The odor in the car surely scared both C&G half to death. I think what they did during the next few hours was try to link up in their minds what they knew and suspected about Casey with the odor in the car, combined with going into their automatic reflex cover up mode.

[missinglink]

So, what's everyone's opinion as to when Casey dumped Caylee in the woods?

After reading the latest documents over and over, I'm going with between June 18 and June 21.

Also, I thought it was great that ME did an actual testing to look for Xanax in Caylee's examination. Zanny-Xanax

[Lapis]

The civil suit was settled with the state for 2 million prior to the criminal trial. What goes away? :confused:

The driver of the third vehicle also filed a civil suit and has not settled yet. I believe he was attempting to use the pending criminal charges to negotiate a better settlement. JMO

[legalmania]

I think Cindy thought that by blaming the disappearance of Caylee on a PuertoRican nanny that everyone would think the nanny took her to PR and that would be the end of it because this sort of thing has happened before.Casey spoiled the story by lying about her job and other things and LE had to look into it more deeply.

Just like Susan Smith blamed it on a black man, thankfully L.E. is smarter than that.

[legalmania]

Cindy is as dumb as a fox. IMO she knew the baby was gone forever right from the beginning. IMO she is just as bad as the OC

I think you just insulted the entire fox population.

[nothingnew]

My bolding ...

I disagree with your statement as it pertains to the Caylee threads. I've seen a rumor or bit of misinformation "take off" here ... for perhaps one page in a thread before it is debunked. But that's the extent of it.

There are many more people in this forum interested in facts and links than there are people who enjoy spreading rumor and innuendo.

And I'm not even adding "imo" because this is a fact, Jack. :smile:

Being my contrary self I'll agree with you-lol! Up to the getting debunked part and here is why-Not everyone can keep up everyday and this "misinformation" then gets another couple of pages on a different day because one person says it and some others won't question it and it becomes a fact for the day. IE-last night with the "cindy affair". It popped up again this morning and no one debunked anything or provided a link. IMO if Desmom doesn't have a link to it then it didn't happen. (for the record desmom was not involved but she's the one that's always on top of everything). Just like whatever happened to "Peter"? Just trying to nip it in the bud!

[Barbara fl.]

ITA. I don't think Cindy was positive Caylee was dead right away. I don't think she would've said anything to anyone at work about the smell if she was sure the baby was gone. I think being suspicious and concerned does not equal being sure, or knowing for sure.

The odor in the car surely scared both C&G half to death. I think what they did during the next few hours was try to link up in their minds what they knew and suspected about Casey with the odor in the car, combined with going into their automatic reflex cover up mode.

Yah, I truly believe that they didn't realize it until Casey was released the first time from jail...when Cindy went on TV and said that she felt "at ease now" after speaking to Casey.....At that point I believe that she knew, but not before....

No, she would not have told her co-workers about it had she believed that Caylee was deceased....Which leads me to beleve that had they known, they would have went to greater lenghts to cover up the murder....but of course they would have had to dispose of Caylee's remains to make sure they were never found and then they probably would have told everyone some lie like Caylee's faher was found and took Caylee or something of that nature.....

[EverMoth]

But Cindy knew she had to call 911 at some time because if she didn't someone at her work would probably have done it because she told them about the dead body smell.

Yes, she knew that but, imo, she didn't call 911 right away because they all needed time to create whatever plot or plan they were going to go with to circumvent family scrutiny. For all we know, it was Cindy's idea for Casey to come up with the Zanny the Nanny tale. Maybe they all agreed, before 911 was even called, that the "story" was going to be kidnapping. I think the cover up began right after the car was retrieved. This is JMO

[need2no]

I think Cindy thought that by blaming the disappearance of Caylee on a PuertoRican nanny that everyone would think the nanny took her to PR and that would be the end of it because this sort of thing has happened before.Casey spoiled the story by lying about her job and other things and LE had to look into it more deeply.

Having to try and look in casey (or Cindy's) minds is quite the chore. I assume casey felt she had to tell an employment story to justify needing/having a nanny to care for Caylee since she was claiming the nanny took off with Caylee. Or perhaps she never considered LE would even inquire about her employment. What totally boggles the mind is: #1 she had a month to makeup a more believable story about what happened to Caylee, and #2 she apparently didn't think LE would followup on her stories to confirm them. Simply amazing.

[legalmania]

MY bad!....sorry:rolleyes:


I'll walk across the street and yell into the woods you didn't mean it. How about dumber than a unborn fetus?

[need2no]

The driver of the third vehicle also filed a civil suit and has not settled yet. I believe he was attempting to use the pending criminal charges to negotiate a better settlement. JMO

Gotcha, thanks Lapis!

[Barbara fl.]

Having to try and look in casey (or Cindy's) minds is quite the chore. I assume casey felt she had to tell an employment story to justify needing/having a nanny to care for Caylee since she was claiming the nanny took off with Caylee. Or perhaps she never considered LE would even inquire about her employment. What totally boggles the mind is: #1 she had a month to makeup a more believable story about what happened to Caylee, and #2 she apparently didn't think LE would followup on her stories to confirm them. Simply amazing.


I think that Casey is just so stupid as to think that once she told LE that she had spoken to Caylee that same day that LE would say "well she must be OK" and just forget about looking for Caylee...

That is another statement that will come back to haunt Casey at the trial....she could not have possibly spoken to Caylee for an obvious reason...

[Tia]

Yes, she knew that but, imo, she didn't call 911 right away because they all needed time to create whatever plot or plan they were going to go with to circumvent family scrutiny. For all we know, it was Cindy's idea for Casey to come up with the Zanny the Nanny tale. Maybe they all agreed, before 911 was even called, that the "story" was going to be kidnapping. I think the cover up began right after the car was retrieved. This is JMO

ITA, and I would bet that none of them thought the story would reach the proportions that it did.

[Barbara fl.]

Just like Susan Smith blamed it on a black man, thankfully L.E. is smarter than that.

I sure hope that Baez doesn't try to bring this case to Miami....highly hispanic population....they wont look to kindly upon Casey for trying to blame this on a hispanic person.....

[Barbara fl.]

ITA, and I would bet that none of them thought the story would reach the proportions that it did.

I love your underline quote....it's the truth....silence speaks very loud....

[Imperfect4]

Being my contrary self I'll agree with you-lol! Up to the getting debunked part and here is why-Not everyone can keep up everyday and this "misinformation" then gets another couple of pages on a different day because one person says it and some others won't question it and it becomes a fact for the day. IE-last night with the "cindy affair". It popped up again this morning and no one debunked anything or provided a link. IMO if Desmom doesn't have a link to it then it didn't happen. (for the record desmom was not involved but she's the one that's always on top of everything). Just like whatever happened to "Peter"? Just trying to nip it in the bud!

Well, I'm afraid I have to disagree with you again. If there's even one regular on this thread (which isn't always the case overnight), any new information without a link gets questioned, pronto. Even information WITH links, if the linked site looks shady, get questioned/debunked. And even when a poster misconstrues something in a link, he or she gets questioned and discussion ensues.

I don't know what to do about posters or lurkers who pop in and out, and take pieces of unsubstantiated info and run with them ... not much can be done about that. But as a general rule, the kind of stuff that happened last night regarding Casey's parentage gets nipped in the bud very quickly on a normal day on the daily threads.

FWIW, I think Peter's situation is altogether different. That's all I want to say about that. :smile:

[jammies]

I'll walk across the street and yell into the woods you didn't mean it. How about dumber than a unborn fetus?




Wow. :sad:

[martha]

hi everyone I am so far behind and don;t have time to catch up so maybe if anything comes out good I can catch it. I know you or all taking good notes on what is going on. As long as casey is sitting in jail I am fine with that. jmho

[Barbara fl.]

I think Cindy thought that by blaming the disappearance of Caylee on a PuertoRican nanny that everyone would think the nanny took her to PR and that would be the end of it because this sort of thing has happened before.Casey spoiled the story by lying about her job and other things and LE had to look into it more deeply.

It still would have gotten over had there been such a person.....Didn't she think that was going to be the first thing that LE would do....put a search on for this person?

She really didn't think this thing out....she was too busy enjoying her freedom......

I bet she is sitting in jail right now hitting herself for not giving a better story.....hammer

[Tia]

I love your underline quote....it's the truth....silence speaks very loud....

Thanks! It seems to apply to most cases here....but it sure doesn't apply to Cindy!

[Barbara fl.]

She already had the fake nanny in place so it was easier for her to keep running with the nanny story after the murder. As for her questioning what the authorities would do....I agree with you. But then again, when was the last time you heard of a sociopath making a whole lot of sense. Casey and Cindy both are some of the dumbest people I have ever had the pleasure of knowing about. Lies, no matter how small, always grow into more trouble then you bargain for.


It brings to mind "Scott Peterson"....

[Imperfect4]

NOthing you can do about lurkers jumping on....

I guess stop, skip, and put on ignore is the best advice you can give

You missed the point of the conversation entirely, but no worries.

[need2no]

I think that Casey is just so stupid as to think that once she told LE that she had spoken to Caylee that same day that LE would say "well she must be OK" and just forget about looking for Caylee...

That is another statement that will come back to haunt Casey at the trial....she could not have possibly spoken to Caylee for an obvious reason...

Still how can anybody be that stupid. We know casey watched crime movies, probably crime TV shows as well, and did research on the internet. She would have known how the criminal justice system works, including cell phone pings and tracing, finger prints, survelliance cameras, DNA, etc. Perhaps she also heard some informative LE info from dad over the years as well. How could she possibly believe that LE would take her word for anything, regardless of the fact that she was capable of pulling the wool over her parents. It just does not compute for me. The only explanation I can stretch my mind to believe is she was dumb enough to think mom and dad could somehow get her out of this mess, or, (less likely), she didn't give a d*mn one way or the other.

[AnniePie]

I'll walk across the street and yell into the woods you didn't mean it. How about dumber than a unborn fetus?

:ohmy: I can't believe you said that.

[legalmania]

I sure hope that Baez doesn't try to bring this case to Miami....highly hispanic population....they wont look to kindly upon Casey for trying to blame this on a hispanic person.....

Actually there is a pretty good size hispanic population in Orlando. Casey just better put the blame where it belongs upon herself.

[legalmania]

Wow. :sad:

Too harsh.

[Imperfect4]

Still how can anybody be that stupid. We know casey watched crime movies, probably crime TV shows as well, and did research on the internet. She would have known how the criminal justice system works, including cell phone pings and tracing, finger prints, survelliance cameras, DNA, etc. Perhaps she also heard some informative LE info from dad over the years as well. How could she possibly believe that LE would take her word for anything, regardless of the fact that she was capable of pulling the wool over her parents. It just does not compute for me. The only explanation I can stretch my mind to believe is she was dumb enough to think mom and dad could somehow get her out of this mess, or, (less likely), she didn't give a d*mn one way or the other.

Imo, it's the A family dynamic in action. They live in a bubble, in a false reality of their own making. Just as Cindy and George can't figure why their non-stop nonsense isn't playing out here in the real world, neither could Casey predict how the real world would react to her nonsense.

Their arrogance + ignorance is an insurmountable problem for them. They've been running games on each other for so long, in the parallel universe they've fashioned for themselves, that they are like fish out of water out here in the real world, where lies don't fly and facts must add up.

Good on them, I say. It's just beyond tragic Caylee was the one to pay the price.

[imc_e]

NOthing you can do about lurkers jumping on....

I guess stop, skip, and put on ignore is the best advice you can give

Not necessarily true.

[legalmania]

I'll walk across the street and yell into the woods you didn't mean it. How about dumber than a unborn fetus?

:ohmy: I can't believe you said that.


Alls I meant is that an unborn fetus is smarter than she is.

[Cynthia]

I sure hope that Baez doesn't try to bring this case to Miami....highly hispanic population....they wont look to kindly upon Casey for trying to blame this on a hispanic person.....

So true, but Bozo is hispanic and that will probably be the only edge he will have.

[need2no]

She already had the fake nanny in place so it was easier for her to keep running with the nanny story after the murder. As for her questioning what the authorities would do....I agree with you. But then again, when was the last time you heard of a sociopath making a whole lot of sense. Casey and Cindy both are some of the dumbest people I have ever had the pleasure of knowing about. Lies, no matter how small, always grow into more trouble then you bargain for.

Yes, I should know better than to try and get in the mind of a sociopath after being married to one for 7 years. The man almost made me lose my mind at times....I'm a logical type of person and could rarely find any logic in the BS he shoveled my way with a straight face on a regular basis.

[Tia]

NOthing you can do about lurkers jumping on....

I guess stop, skip, and put on ignore is the best advice you can give

I think the posters here are great when it comes to debunking rumors quickly. Its been that way since this thread started last year. Stop, skip and ignore works well, and should be used on the "pot stirrers" as well.

JMO

[Barbara fl.]

Still how can anybody be that stupid. We know casey watched crime movies, probably crime TV shows as well, and did research on the internet. She would have known how the criminal justice system works, including cell phone pings and tracing, finger prints, survelliance cameras, DNA, etc. Perhaps she also heard some informative LE info from dad over the years as well. How could she possibly believe that LE would take her word for anything, regardless of the fact that she was capable of pulling the wool over her parents. It just does not compute for me. The only explanation I can stretch my mind to believe is she was dumb enough to think mom and dad could somehow get her out of this mess, or, (less likely), she didn't give a d*mn one way or the other.


Your right...Casey is a very stupid individual....I believe that she had all intentions of going back and hiding the body better but not having gas in the car, she couldn't go looking too well....and she just got caught up in enjoying her freedom that she thought she had more time....Then when it was too late she treid to get Lee to move it, and when he wasn't able to and the body was found, she flipped out...because she then knew that her only defense (that Caylee was still alive ) went down the drain....she knew that she had been caught out there with all her lies.....and she knew that she would be (at the very least) spending the rest of her life behind bars.....

What a pleasant thought......:lol:

[need2no]

Imo, it's the A family dynamic in action. They live in a bubble, in a false reality of their own making. Just as Cindy and George can't figure why their non-stop nonsense isn't playing out here in the real world, neither could Casey predict how the real world would react to her nonsense.

Their arrogance + ignorance is an insurmountable problem for them. They've been running games on each other for so long, in the parallel universe they've fashioned for themselves, that they are like fish out of water out here in the real world, where lies don't fly and facts must add up.
Good on them, I say. It's just beyond tragic Caylee was the one to pay the price.


My bold, that sums it up. Great post! :thumbsup:

[Barbara fl.]

Actually there is a pretty good size hispanic population in Orlando. Casey just better put the blame where it belongs upon herself.


I didn't think about that, your right Orlando's population is mostly hispanic.....that could be why Baez is trying to get it moved...I hope he doesn't think because he is hispanic that it will help her.....she was still trying to blame an hispanic for taking Caylee....and that wont wash too well amongst the hispanic community.....

[Barbara fl.]

So true, but Bozo is hispanic and that will probably be the only edge he will have.



So he may think.....:laugh:

[nothingnew]

So true, but Bozo is hispanic and that will probably be the only edge he will have.

I'm Mexican and I would hold his "hispanic-ness" against him. He's an embarrassment and disgrace to Hispanics everywhere and he needs to be taken down a couple of pegs. casey will get to pay for that little fact in prison is my guess.

[Tia]

Imo, it's the A family dynamic in action. They live in a bubble, in a false reality of their own making. Just as Cindy and George can't figure why their non-stop nonsense isn't playing out here in the real world, neither could Casey predict how the real world would react to her nonsense.

Their arrogance + ignorance is an insurmountable problem for them. They've been running games on each other for so long, in the parallel universe they've fashioned for themselves, that they are like fish out of water out here in the real world, where lies don't fly and facts must add up.

Good on them, I say. It's just beyond tragic Caylee was the one to pay the price.

I bet they just can't believe that the "real world" isn't believeing their crazy tales. They are so used to lying their way out of everything that I am sure they believe that eventually they will win the public over to "their" way of thinking.

[need2no]

I'm so sorry to hear that. I can't even imagine what that must of been like. But you must have some great insight as to what the A's are all about.

Thanks! The best thing I learned from my ex was to be more perceptive and learned to spot a BS'er or a sociopath from a mile away. I didn't trust or believe the A's or casey from the get go, and needless to say I still don't.

[Barbara fl.]

Imo, it's the A family dynamic in action. They live in a bubble, in a false reality of their own making. Just as Cindy and George can't figure why their non-stop nonsense isn't playing out here in the real world, neither could Casey predict how the real world would react to her nonsense.

Their arrogance + ignorance is an insurmountable problem for them. They've been running games on each other for so long, in the parallel universe they've fashioned for themselves, that they are like fish out of water out here in the real world, where lies don't fly and facts must add up.

Good on them, I say. It's just beyond tragic Caylee was the one to pay the price.


Very well said......fits them to a tee....

[5boxersmom]

Still how can anybody be that stupid. We know casey watched crime movies, probably crime TV shows as well, and did research on the internet. She would have known how the criminal justice system works, including cell phone pings and tracing, finger prints, survelliance cameras, DNA, etc. Perhaps she also heard some informative LE info from dad over the years as well. How could she possibly believe that LE would take her word for anything, regardless of the fact that she was capable of pulling the wool over her parents. It just does not compute for me. The only explanation I can stretch my mind to believe is she was dumb enough to think mom and dad could somehow get her out of this mess, or, (less likely), she didn't give a d*mn one way or the other.

But you know what it did work for her for awhile. LE and the searchers were searching due to her cell phone pings. Alot of time and money went into those searches. And there was Caylee right around the corner from the house.

imo

[Barbara fl.]

But you know what it did work for her for awhile. LE and the searchers were searching due to her cell phone pings. Alot of time and money went into those searches. And there was Caylee right around the corner from the house.

imo


That is the scary part.....Caylee's remains were right under everyones nose, all that time...and no one came acrossed it.....it's a good thing that Kronks first call was in August or the defense would really be running that into the ground....they will still try but it wont get over.....

[Barbara fl.]

I agree Barbara

Hispanics are known for their tight family ties and their lack of patience towards anyone that harms a child.....it might just back-fire on Bozo.

I still think that Judge Strickland has been so careful about this case, that Baez doesn't have a shot at change of venue...jmo


I agree...I believe this case will remain right there in Orlando.....

[Cynthia]

I agree Barbara

Hispanics are known for their tight family ties and their lack of patience towards anyone that harms a child.....it might just back-fire on Bozo.

I still think that Judge Strickland has been so careful about this case, that Baez doesn't have a shot at change of venue...jmo

bolded by me....

I hope you are right.

[need2no]

But you know what it did work for her for awhile. LE and the searchers were searching due to her cell phone pings. Alot of time and money went into those searches. And there was Caylee right around the corner from the house.

imo

Perhaps that's the only thing casey took the time to plot. She was driving around everywhere leaving a trail of pings to confuse LE. Like Barbara in Fl said....casey probably just got too busy enjoying her newfound freedom to take the time to plan anything else to cover the death of her daughter. I think the cell phone part was easy...she apparently enjoyed riding around heading here, there, and yonder, AND constantly talking/texting on her cell phone.

[Sun]

Originally Posted by Barbara fl.
I sure hope that Baez doesn't try to bring this case to Miami....highly hispanic population....they wont look to kindly upon Casey for trying to blame this on a hispanic person.....

Baez IS TRYING to bring this case down to Miami. I'm praying that Judge Strickland won't let that happen.

[alisa31235]

When Casey told Amy the smell in her car was a dead squirrel attached to it was it because Amy had smelled it or anyone else for that matter? Or was Casey just starting to cover her tracks? I only remember reading about the text between the two... IMO

[Imperfect4]

I bet they just can't believe that the "real world" isn't believeing their crazy tales. They are so used to lying their way out of everything that I am sure they believe that eventually they will win the public over to "their" way of thinking.

They really don't get it, do they? And I agree, they think they'll eventually "win." :rolleyes:

[missinglink]

So, what's everyone's opinion as to when Casey dumped Caylee in the woods?

After reading the latest documents over and over, I'm going with between June 18 and June 21.

Also, I thought it was great that ME did an actual testing to look for Xanax in Caylee's examination. Zanny-Xanax

I'm sorry to quote myself, but does anyone have an opinion?

Yesterday, I was thinking she had Caylee in the trunk for several weeks. But after reading Dr. Schultz's report on time of death and scattering of bones, it seems as though Caylee was dumped in the woods during early stages of decomposition.

Also, the trunk readings, with the VFA reports, lead me to believe Caylee was dumped by June 21.

Dr. Stultz said her body had not disarticulated yet by the time the scattering began, so...

If I disappear from posting, I'm having internet problems.

[Barbara fl.]

Baez IS TRYING to bring this case down to Miami. I'm praying that Judge Strickland won't let that happen.

I really don't see the sense in moving it.....they can probably find as many people that haven't heard of this case in Orlando as anywhere else.....some people watch the news...some do not...this case has been so publicized all over that if they were really looking for a place to take it to, it would have to be a place on this planet that has not got TV or any form of news...

That's not to say they wont be able to find 12 jurors that haven't heard of the case...it just means that they will always be able to find 12 jurors no matter where they go...so why move it?

[Barbara fl.]

When Casey told Amy the smell in her car was a dead squirrel attached to it was it because Amy had smelled it or anyone else for that matter? Or was Casey just starting to cover her tracks? I only remember reading about the text between the two... IMO


She probably wished she had dumped the car in a river some where....she has to realize just how many things she did wrong (beside murdering her daughter).....

[Barbara fl.]

Have to go...back later....

[Imperfect4]

I'm sorry to quote myself, but does anyone have an opinion?

Yesterday, I was thinking she had Caylee in the trunk for several weeks. But after reading Dr. Schultz's report on time of death and scattering of bones, it seems as though Caylee was dumped in the woods during early stages of decomposition.

Also, the trunk readings, with the VFA reports, lead me to believe Caylee was dumped by June 21.

Dr. Stultz said her body had not disarticulated yet by the time the scattering began, so...

If I disappear from posting, I'm having internet problems.

Hi ml :seeya:

I'm going with the timeframe June 17 - June 21. The only thing that's got me confused is the paper towel/grave wax thing. But until we hear more on that, my guess is she was in the trunk in the neighborhood of 2.6 days per the Body Farm, which would be in that 17th-21st timeframe, more or less.

[AnniePie]

I'm Mexican and I would hold his "hispanic-ness" against him. He's an embarrassment and disgrace to Hispanics everywhere and he needs to be taken down a couple of pegs. casey will get to pay for that little fact in prison is my guess.

Don't feel bad, NN... he's a disgrace to human beings everywhere.

[Unleashed]

Wow. :sad:

And I thought Cindy sunk to low levels. :thumbdown:

JMO

[AnniePie]

Just tell us Lurkers - "Private Board, NO Lurking Allowed" or charge us a fee like you pay.

No way, Sus. Lurkers are just as welcome as anyone else.

(I just can't for the life of me figure out how you can keep your fingertips from flying over your keyboards like the rest of us! :laugh:)

[3Monkeys]

Hey there,

I don't get a chance to follow this case, or these boards, as much as I'd like to... so I apologize in advance for the random question.

Does anyone know when the next court date is? Better yet, is there a news site that might have a timeline of upcoming events?

TIA

[Cynthia]

I don't know that Baez and his team know that this case is not winnable.

All it takes is one juror.


I think Casey is gonna contine to hold out until the very end. Honestly I think she feels like she will break everyone around her down and she will win.

Oh, to be that one juror, Blackbird.

[Sun]

I'm sorry to quote myself, but does anyone have an opinion?

Yesterday, I was thinking she had Caylee in the trunk for several weeks. But after reading Dr. Schultz's report on time of death and scattering of bones, it seems as though Caylee was dumped in the woods during early stages of decomposition.

Also, the trunk readings, with the VFA reports, lead me to believe Caylee was dumped by June 21.

Dr. Stultz said her body had not disarticulated yet by the time the scattering began, so...

If I disappear from posting, I'm having internet problems.

chuckles.... I'm going to be very conservative, and say that Caylee was dumped like trash on Suburan Drive somewhere betwen June 18 and the week of July 4th. I am still of a mind that Caylee's body was hidden in the Anthonys backyard before she was disposed of in the woods on Suburban Drive. IMO, George asked the towyard person to help him look in the trunk, so that he could be a witness to astest to the fact that there was no body in the trunk when George drove the car off the lot. IMO, George already knew what had been in the trunk.

[5boxersmom]

Hi ml :seeya:

I'm going with the timeframe June 17 - June 21. The only thing that's got me confused is the paper towel/grave wax thing. But until we hear more on that, my guess is she was in the trunk in the neighborhood of 2.6 days per the Body Farm, which would be in that 17th-21st timeframe, more or less.

If I read the autopsy report correct yesterday it said it could have been from being in a shut up car for 30 days.

imo

[Roux]

Baez IS TRYING to bring this case down to Miami. I'm praying that Judge Strickland won't let that happen.

I can't see why a COV should matter all that much since Baez, LKB, the A's, BC have been all over NATIONAL media. Does Baez think that the Miami, Jacksonville, Tallahassee markets don't get CBS, ABC, NBC and NG? The entire state knows about the case, as do people all over the US.

[Lavinia]

Just tell us Lurkers - "Private Board, NO Lurking Allowed" or charge us a fee like you pay.

:ohmy::laugh:

[Sun]

Hey there,

I don't get a chance to follow this case, or these boards, as much as I'd like to... so I apologize in advance for the random question.

Does anyone know when the next court date is? Better yet, is there a news site that might have a timeline of upcoming events?

TIA

http://www.myorangeclerk.com/myclerk/

Here is where you might see what you are asking about. However, you are likely to find it upcoming court hearings posted right her just a bit quicker.

chuckles... I just rewatched a video from Jan 2009 where Baez indicated to media that he expected to receive a ruling on a COV by sometime in Feb 2009. Shucks, Baez never even filed for a COV until March 2009.

[Tia]

They really don't get it, do they? And I agree, they think they'll eventually "win." :rolleyes:

Yup, because they think everyone is "stoopider" than they are.

[tiny paw-prints]

chuckles.... I'm going to be very conservative, and say that Caylee was dumped like trash on Suburan Drive somewhere betwen June 18 and the week of July 4th. I am still of a mind that Caylee's body was hidden in the Anthonys backyard before she was disposed of in the woods on Suburban Drive. IMO, George asked the towyard person to help him look in the trunk, so that he could be a witness to astest to the fact that there was no body in the trunk when George drove the car off the lot. IMO, George already knew what had been in the trunk.

I agree. George AND Cindy both knew, IMO.

[grammie/va]

No way, Sus. Lurkers are just as welcome as anyone else.

(I just can't for the life of me figure out how you can keep your fingertips from flying over your keyboards like the rest of us! :laugh:)

Hello AnniePie, I'm one of those mostly lurk and I appreciate you saying we are welcome. I have read everday here probally everypost made here and most certainly every doc dump and reports. I watch every court proceding right along with yall also. Most of the time when I want to type something someone beats me to it or has already typed it. Just wanted to say thanks to you.

[Sandy001]

I totally agree that Casey will never see daylight again....But I believe it will depend on the hung jury (if there is one) as to how the odds fall....If by some slim chance the odds are more then 1-11 and ends up being 5/7 or even 4/8...that can cause the state to reduce the murder one charge to a lesser one to insure a conviction on the second go round.....Of course I do not believe that would happen....but the prosecution has to be prepared just in the event.....I do believe that the state can reduce the charges depending on the way the hung jury comes in....

My personal thoughts are that the jury will be out for about 20 minutes and be unanimous with a guilty verdict.....:biggrin:

I don't see a hung jury either. We don't have all the information, and it's pretty clear to us based on what we know. I think there is a lot more out there connecting Casey to the death of this child. She will not be a sympathethetic person to the jury either. Just like Scott Peterson hoped playing to the women on the jury would set him free, Casey will play to the men on the jury. jmo

[alisa31235]

[QUOTE=notdarkyet;13221572]ooooooooooo the sexual tension must boil over in there...lol...no more of that slap and tickle for you two...lol...(I just threw up a little in my mouth, ugh)...They remind me of Jr. High - and Crazy trusts him with her life? Sheesh.[/QUOTE


I wonder if Jose has given her a worst case scenario speech and she really thinks she is not in that big of trouble? You would think with all the fancy lawyers she has now someone would have kind of mentioned that she is in DEEP IMO

[3Monkeys]

http://www.myorangeclerk.com/myclerk/

Here is where you might see what you are asking about. However, you are likely to find it upcoming court hearings posted right her just a bit quicker.

chuckles... I just rewatched a video from Jan 2009 where Baez indicated to media that he expected to receive a ruling on a COV by sometime in Feb 2009. Shucks, Baez never even filed for a COV until March 2009.


Thank you for this!

So according to these documents, it looks like there are no upcoming trial dates for the Civil trial, and the next court date for the Criminal trial is the actual trial which is presently scheduled for October, if I'm reading correctly.

I'll touch base back here from time-to-time for updates - which there are sure to be!

[Chardonnay]

No way, Sus. Lurkers are just as welcome as anyone else.

(I just can't for the life of me figure out how you can keep your fingertips from flying over your keyboards like the rest of us! :laugh:)

bolding mine:

Speaking for myself, whatever I want to say, someone has already said it. That's why I lurk more than I post. :tonguewag:

[Sun]

I can't see why a COV should matter all that much since Baez, LKB, the A's, BC have been all over NATIONAL media. Does Baez think that the Miami, Jacksonville, Tallahassee markets don't get CBS, ABC, NBC and NG? The entire state knows about the case, as do people all over the US.

IMO Judge Strickland is very aware of the media coverage that is happening. I think that he's also aware of how disrespectful Baez has been to the media in the Orlando area. ...and I have to keep reminding myself that this isn't all about Baez, but about Casey's rights.

Orlanda has a huge population, and I am praying that Judge Strickland will attempt to seat a Jury from there, before looking elsewhere.

[AnnieBell]

I think that Cindy wanted very much to believe her daughter that Caylee was with her nanny "Zenaida" and when she over heard her telling Lee that she hadn't seen Caylee for 31 days, Cindy just flipped and probably for that one second thought that Zenaida actually had taken Caylee...so se called 911......But I honestly believe that had Cindy thought about it for more than a second, she would not have called 911 and ould have tried to hide the fact that Caylee was no longer around....

The Anthony's actions since tha 911 call has been nothing about Caylee and all about protecting the murderer....therefore I find it very hard to think tat they would have called 911 had they given it that second thought.....JMO

George and Cindy had known at least a short period of time before this happened that Casey didn't have a job. I suspect that G&C had discussed some of the lies and stealing money/forging credit cards from everyone and had concluded some time prior that there was no ZFG. George had physically went to one place where casey said she was working and he discovered that not only was she not working there but she had never worked there. That's why I don't think Cindy thought for one minute the NANY had Caylee and thus the comment "what have you done"

[AnniePie]

Hello AnniePie, I'm one of those mostly lurk and I appreciate you saying we are welcome. I have read everday here probally everypost made here and most certainly every doc dump and reports. I watch every court proceding right along with yall also. Most of the time when I want to type something someone beats me to it or has already typed it. Just wanted to say thanks to you.

Awww... you're so welcome, grammie. And I know most of us feel the same way.

As for someone else saying what you're thinking, that happens to me all the time. I post something and then just after I click "submit" I see that people have posted just the same thing. Oh well, that's life on a message board, I guess.

Just jump in and join us whenever you get the urge! No one is a stranger here.

[crimeq]

Or the guy at the tow-yard. When Cindy texted Casey her comment was we have a problem. Very strange comment.


That comment keeps coming back to me too. A possibility is that Cindy/George were in on the planning to dump the car at Amscot, with a purse in the car, etc., hoping someone would steal it (hmmm, were the keys in the car too? Or in the purse?). That would be the end of the problem, and explain Caylee's disappearance as kidnapping--someone stole the car with Caylee in it. Carseat was in the car -- Mama doll was in the car -- it was set up to look like Caylee had been in the car.

When the car got towed instead of stolen -- ooops -- Cindy texted Casey, "we have a problem." That's a VERY strange message, for any other scenario.

[Sandy001]

Internet access is available in the atty-client room???I doubt it, but Baez takes his computer in there. He very easily could have a wireless card on it. I cannot figure out how else Casey could have seen the memorial, and given the kissing performance by Lee, he knew that Casey would see it.
Baez has shown great disdain for jailhouse rules all along imo

[Lavinia]

Hello AnniePie, I'm one of those mostly lurk and I appreciate you saying we are welcome. I have read everday here probally everypost made here and most certainly every doc dump and reports. I watch every court proceding right along with yall also. Most of the time when I want to type something someone beats me to it or has already typed it. Just wanted to say thanks to you.

I'm not Annie, lol, but I would like to welcome anyone to post! Gosh, don't worry about someone else posting the same thing. As you see, we don't mind hashing out the same thing until it's dead, lol and then we resurrect it and do it again! Jump on in. The water's fine!

[True2Blues]

Don't feel bad, NN... he's a disgrace to human beings everywhere.

True, and the things that make him that come in all shapes, sizes, races and both genders, unfortunately. Look at his client and her family.

[BobbysGirl]

ITA - Cindy: "WHAT DID YOU DO????" Pretty telling....imo

Lurking and catching up. I agree. Very telling. IMO And the Cindy giving Casey 30 days? For what?

BG

[Sandy001]

That comment keeps coming back to me too. A possibility is that Cindy/George were in on the planning to dump the car at Amscot, with a purse in the car, etc., hoping someone would steal it (hmmm, were the keys in the car too? Or in the purse?). That would be the end of the problem, and explain Caylee's disappearance as kidnapping--someone stole the car with Caylee in it. Carseat was in the car -- Mama doll was in the car -- it was set up to look like Caylee had been in the car.

When the car got towed instead of stolen -- ooops -- Cindy texted Casey, "we have a problem." That's a VERY strange message, for any other scenario.

I think that was the planned scenario - the someone would steal the car and blame would fall on that unsuspecting person. I don't think Casey ever thought the car would be towed. Again, something thinking they were smarter than everyone else.

[Sun]

Thank you for this!

So according to these documents, it looks like there are no upcoming trial dates for the Civil trial, and the next court date for the Criminal trial is the actual trial which is presently scheduled for October, if I'm reading correctly.

I'll touch base back here from time-to-time for updates - which there are sure to be!

Actually on the Civil Case, I do see two entries where a court hearing has been set, just no entries to tell us exactly what those dates are. I believe one is sometime in September to handle the Motion to dismiss/stay filed by Kasen (I saw a vague reference to "Sept" in a media article where Kasen was quoted).

[Unleashed]

Just tell us Lurkers - "Private Board, NO Lurking Allowed" or charge us a fee like you pay.
my bold.

Donations, Sus2. Donations. :laugh:

jmo

[Lavinia]

my bold.

Donations, Sus2. Donations. :laugh:

jmo

:laugh: Yeah, here's -----------------> ____ the donation jar. :sneaky:

[Imperfect4]

If I read the autopsy report correct yesterday it said it could have been from being in a shut up car for 30 days.

imo

Yeah, but then imc_e linked to a Q&A site about such things, and from what I read there, it seems adipocere doesn't form from decomp residue, but only on the decomposing body.

Who knows at this point? Ack! :confused:

[missinglink]

Hi ml :seeya:

I'm going with the timeframe June 17 - June 21. The only thing that's got me confused is the paper towel/grave wax thing. But until we hear more on that, my guess is she was in the trunk in the neighborhood of 2.6 days per the Body Farm, which would be in that 17th-21st timeframe, more or less.

Hi Imp! I was confused on the paper towel/grave wax thing too. I think Casey had visited Caylee's body , got grave wax on her, wiped her hands on the towel, then put it in the trunk.

Just a minimal amount of grave wax was found on some of Caylee's bones when found.

[missinglink]

chuckles.... I'm going to be very conservative, and say that Caylee was dumped like trash on Suburan Drive somewhere betwen June 18 and the week of July 4th. I am still of a mind that Caylee's body was hidden in the Anthonys backyard before she was disposed of in the woods on Suburban Drive. IMO, George asked the towyard person to help him look in the trunk, so that he could be a witness to astest to the fact that there was no body in the trunk when George drove the car off the lot. IMO, George already knew what had been in the trunk.

I believe Caylee was in the backyard at least a day or so also.

[BobbysGirl]

I believe Caylee was in the backyard at least a day or so also.

Hi, I have thought that Caylee was in the backyard as well. Covered and buried under her sand box. IIRC Did not the autopsy reports said they found sand w/ Caylee's body.

RIP Sweet Caylee. Gone but not forgotten. :rose:

BG

[seeing_eye]

I think the posters here are great when it comes to debunking rumors quickly. Its been that way since this thread started last year. Stop, skip and ignore works well, and should be used on the "pot stirrers" as well.

JMO

Stop, skip and ignore does work well on the "pot stirrers," but never on the lurkers and misinformed. Lurkers need to be made welcome to join in on the conversations and the misinformed need to be informed.

[Dtviewer3]

Internet access is available in the atty-client room???

Internet access is available anywhere nowadays.

You dont need wi-fi. You can buy an 'aircard' or even tether to your cell phone.

Easy.....

[imc_e]

Yeah, but then imc_e linked to a Q&A site about such things, and from what I read there, it seems adipocere doesn't form from decomp residue, but only on the decomposing body.

Who knows at this point? Ack! :confused:

Just so you know, I share your confusion about the 2.5 days decomp from the body farm air test.

BUT I am seriously wondering if they meant decomposition 'starting' at 2.5 days, which would put Caylee in the trunk for longer, starting at 2.5 days after death.

The car stunk so bad she had to be there a while and now we have the adipocere on the paper towels. No way could that have formed in 2.5 days.

Grandbaby about to wake up and Grammy has alpha getti ready :tongueside:

[lyndano"i"]

I love your underline quote....it's the truth....silence speaks very loud....

Just wanted to jump in and thank you all. This board rocks! I am on here mostly at work. You have kept me updated and are such a great group. Sorry for the o/t....but thanks!!

[Roux]

Actually on the Civil Case, I do see two entries where a court hearing has been set, just no entries to tell us exactly what those dates are. I believe one is sometime in September to handle the Motion to dismiss/stay filed by Kasen (I saw a vague reference to "Sept" in a media article where Kasen was quoted).

I disagree with the TH -- I don't recall if it was JVM or NG -- who said it was a waste of state money to try the check charges, which he kept referring to as "kiting." Well excuse me, but I thought kiting is what you do on your own accounts to cover ISF, not stolen checks from a friend. And with respect to the defense not having the time to focus on the check charges, FGS how many high-profile attorneys does it take! Not to mention the law students Baez has working with him. With the physical evidence, bank & Target videos, that trial should last about half a day.

[imc_e]

I wonder if we should have a 'Lurkers Day' where all the lurkers come out and say hello and what they think about the case, to date.


:smile:

[JHP]

That comment keeps coming back to me too. A possibility is that Cindy/George were in on the planning to dump the car at Amscot, with a purse in the car, etc., hoping someone would steal it (hmmm, were the keys in the car too? Or in the purse?). That would be the end of the problem, and explain Caylee's disappearance as kidnapping--someone stole the car with Caylee in it. Carseat was in the car -- Mama doll was in the car -- it was set up to look like Caylee had been in the car.

When the car got towed instead of stolen -- ooops -- Cindy texted Casey, "we have a problem." That's a VERY strange message, for any other scenario.


It sure is. IMO so many things point to G&C being involved from the start.
Which is what makes this case so sad. Did anybody REALLY care about Caylee?

[Chardonnay]

Stop, skip and ignore does work well on the "pot stirrers," but never on the lurkers and misinformed. Lurkers need to be made welcome to join in on the conversations and the misinformed need to be informed.

Awwww, seeing....What a very kind post. TY :wub:

[seeing_eye]

Your right...Casey is a very stupid individual....I believe that she had all intentions of going back and hiding the body better but not having gas in the car, she couldn't go looking too well....and she just got caught up in enjoying her freedom that she thought she had more time....Then when it was too late she treid to get Lee to move it, and when he wasn't able to and the body was found, she flipped out...because she then knew that her only defense (that Caylee was still alive ) went down the drain....she knew that she had been caught out there with all her lies.....and she knew that she would be (at the very least) spending the rest of her life behind bars.....

What a pleasant thought......:lol:

Don't forget about the time she wanted the judge to let her roam around without surveillance while out on bail. (Which he denied.) I think it was her intention then to move the body to a place harder to find or to somehow destroy the body entirely. It's MO that at this point, everybody was well aware that "no body" equaled possible "reasonable doubt."

[AnnieBell]

Just tell us Lurkers - "Private Board, NO Lurking Allowed" or charge us a fee like you pay.

Welcome, you're invited to come in and lurk all you want and feel free to jump in with posting. We have a wonderful and very bright group Yeah sometimes we get off topic but these posters are a hoot!!!! and we do find our back to the matter at hand just like a dog on a bone.:biggrin:

[missinglink]

Hi, I have thought that Caylee was in the backyard as well. Covered and buried under her sand box. IIRC Did not the autopsy reports said they found sand w/ Caylee's body.

RIP Sweet Caylee. Gone but not forgotten. :rose:

BG

Not sure about the sand BG.

All I know after reading up on decomp is why I don't like parmesan cheese...the butyric acid. YUK!

[AnniePie]

Not unless I can go on the trip to OrLanDoe.

Of course you can, Sus. But, fair warning: Unleashed and I have dibs on Lenny. :laugh:

[Unleashed]

Not unless I can go on the trip to OrLanDoe.

Long as you realize that despite what AnniePie may tell you, Lenny is off limits. He's mine.

Otherwise, everybody move over, we have a new travelling companion! :thumbsup:


JMO

[Lavinia]

Just so you know, I share your confusion about the 2.5 days decomp from the body farm air test.

BUT I am seriously wondering if they meant decomposition 'starting' at 2.5 days, which would put Caylee in the trunk for longer, starting at 2.5 days after death.

The car stunk so bad she had to be there a while and now we have the adipocere on the paper towels. No way could that have formed in 2.5 days.

Grandbaby about to wake up and Grammy has alpha getti ready :tongueside:

"Alpha getti". :wub: (You're giving me grandbaby lust, but bad.)

Yeah, I'm really curious about the time-line being cleared up with all these tests coming in with wonky times.

[AnniePie]

Long as you realize that despite what AnniePie may tell you, Lenny is off limits. He's mine.

Otherwise, everybody move over, we have a new travelling companion! :thumbsup:


JMO

See Sus? Some of us on this board are more gracious than others. (Lenny's mine. :smile:)

[nothingnew]

Just tell us Lurkers - "Private Board, NO Lurking Allowed" or charge us a fee like you pay.

I think the person that said that meant "trolls"-the ones that just jump in to stir up trouble and get attention. "Lurkers" are beautiful, lurkers rock! If it wasn't for people just lurking and rarely posting then I would never catch up. :wink:

[Chardonnay]

2 things that I still shake my head at are, when Cindy was on the phone with 911 saying her granddaughter is missing and the operator wanted to speak to Casey, she asked "Why do they want to talk to me?" And the other, when she told LE she dropped of Caylee at Sawgrass between "9am-1pm"... Of course this whole case makes me shake my head.

[101Spots]

Awww... you're so welcome, grammie. And I know most of us feel the same way.

As for someone else saying what you're thinking, that happens to me all the time. I post something and then just after I click "submit" I see that people have posted just the same thing. Oh well, that's life on a message board, I guess.

Just jump in and join us whenever you get the urge! No one is a stranger here.

Oh, I think Lavinia is stranger than most. She owes me big buck$ and won't pay up.

Oh..... a stranger. My bad.
:tonguewag:

[Lavinia]

Just wanted to jump in and thank you all. This board rocks! I am on here mostly at work. You have kept me updated and are such a great group. Sorry for the o/t....but thanks!!

Yay! Keep jumping in lyndano! Love it! :thumbsup:

[Imperfect4]

I disagree with the TH -- I don't recall if it was JVM or NG -- who said it was a waste of state money to try the check charges, which he kept referring to as "kiting." Well excuse me, but I thought kiting is what you do on your own accounts to cover ISF, not stolen checks from a friend. And with respect to the defense not having the time to focus on the check charges, FGS how many high-profile attorneys does it take! Not to mention the law students Baez has working with him. With the physical evidence, bank & Target videos, that trial should last about half a day.

I so agree with this. Why are we expected to be so *sensitive* to poor Team Casey's need to focus solely on the murder trial? I'm so over this outrage by some who think the world should stop while the high-profile odious one and her dream team try to come up with a defense strategy. Yes, it's a fight for her life. Caylee didn't get a chance to fight for hers.

Let the princess have her day(s) in court. Keep her safe until then. But for the love of all things holy, spare us the misplaced outrage over the non-existent HORROR that Casey's rights are being trampled.

[Lavinia]

Oh, I think Lavinia is stranger than most. She owes me big buck$ and won't pay up.

Oh..... a stranger. My bad.
:tonguewag:

PPFFFFFFFFFFTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!:tonguewag:

(Sore loser!!)

[grammie/va]

I will say that while lurking I have enjoyed some of the banter without being involved, I 've seen some posters go by the wayside to band camp and go shopping on the way for new dresses, and it sometimes takes a few post to figure out which is which, and sometimes they have themes, ( soda pop) that gives us a hint. Sometimes we have the ones that seem to have inside info ( Littlebitty, Peter,) and then the ones that just like to be RIGHT on everything, I could go on but will not. But thanks to all the posters that keep lurkers informed and up to date. Desmom thanks for your daily updates aince June 15, they are very helpful to bring it back to our thoughts each day.

Just wanted to say Thanks to all!! Let you know you are appreciated

[imc_e]

"Alpha getti". :wub: (You're giving me grandbaby lust, but bad.)

Yeah, I'm really curious about the time-line being cleared up with all these tests coming in with wonky times.

Ya, being Grammy is the biggest joy in my life!

She lights up when I spray crazystring around the bath room.

I know she likes me..lol

I think we need to take a close look at the body farm tests, or wait for it to be explained. I am sure it will all make sense by then.

The poster that just mentioned some sand was in the garbage bag with Caylee's remains, was correct I recall reading that.

Casey could have dug some sand out of the sandbox, buried her there, and then borrowed the shovel from the neighbor when she dug her out, and put her in the trunk, 2.5 days later.

For now, that is very close to my theory.

JMO

[nothingnew]

I'm sorry to quote myself, but does anyone have an opinion?

Yesterday, I was thinking she had Caylee in the trunk for several weeks. But after reading Dr. Schultz's report on time of death and scattering of bones, it seems as though Caylee was dumped in the woods during early stages of decomposition.

Also, the trunk readings, with the VFA reports, lead me to believe Caylee was dumped by June 21.

Dr. Stultz said her body had not disarticulated yet by the time the scattering began, so...

If I disappear from posting, I'm having internet problems.

My opinion is the 18th or 19th at the latest. Do we know TonE's schedule for those days? It sounds like she was with him constantly so it would have to be a time when he was busy. Also if it was so hot in Florida at that time then the trunk was probably already pre-heated before Caylee was placed there and things went rapidly after that. I think casey grabbed the Pooh blanket from the house to try to bundle up Caylee and use as a barrier between her and Caylee's body.

[BJames]

:seeya: to all of our lurkers!

Just a question if any of our legal folks know?

Is it 'OK' for an attorney to 'down play' the seriousness of the charges to his client?
If Jose (or none of the others) advise Casey that she could spend the rest of her life in jail, and maybe be put to death...and there is a 'good' chance that she may be found guilty...could she claim 'ineffective counsel' after the trial?
Are there any laws that 'protect' a client against being lead down the garden path?

Thanks to anyone who knows :smile:

[missinglink]

"Alpha getti". :wub: (You're giving me grandbaby lust, but bad.)

Yeah, I'm really curious about the time-line being cleared up with all these tests coming in with wonky times.

Lavinia, have you read Dr. Schultz's report about the scattering of the bones?

I believe he is so "dead on". Caylee could have been skeletonized in as little as 2-4 weeks. And Caylee was scattered before then, in his opinion.

And the Sodium trunk tests say that if Caylee was in the trunk for more than 7 days, the Sodium levels, would...in my own words...been off the chart. The butyric acid was the only acid that had appeared in the VFA testing.

I think the grave wax thingy (which the report said was LIKE grave wax) could have come from just the paper towel coming in contact with a previous visit to the body and then left in the trunk.

I think I've just confused myself! :scared:

[desmom]

Hello AnniePie, I'm one of those mostly lurk and I appreciate you saying we are welcome. I have read everday here probally everypost made here and most certainly every doc dump and reports. I watch every court proceding right along with yall also. Most of the time when I want to type something someone beats me to it or has already typed it. Just wanted to say thanks to you.

Welcome out of Lurkdom! :seeya:

I hope you reconsider and post even if you think it has already been posted. There are times when we all post the same basic idea, but occasionally one of those posts may be slightly different triggering other ideas or scenarios.

[AnnieBell]

I just finished watching a video where the ZFG attorneys were in court regarding how casey should be depo'd. The best part was watching the dream team(NOT)perform their circus act. At the table was a man who I couldn't quite figure out was doing, BC, commonly known as Ironside and sitting behind them was boyfriend who was pulling the puppet strings. Early on boyfriend attempted to get up and "state his purpose ..yak,yak, yak,yak" , the judge told him that only if what he had to say pertained to the motion being heard. Well, boyfriend said he felt it was important to...yak,yak,yak,yak,when M&M stood up and objected to boyfriend even being heard by the judge b/c he hadn't filed notice(I think this was the term) and the judge agreed and told(too nicely IMO)boyfriend to sit down. Then stranger ranger asked to confer with his "team". After taking several minutes to discuss with ironside and boyfriend, stranger ranger stood up and said "I would like to call Mr. Baez as a witness to the stand. Our hero's jumped up and in general terms said this was outrageous so boyfriend had to sit back down.
And the a**'s are paying them!!!!!:laugh:

[missinglink]

My opinion is the 18th or 19th at the latest. Do we know TonE's schedule for those days? It sounds like she was with him constantly so it would have to be a time when he was busy. Also if it was so hot in Florida at that time then the trunk was probably already pre-heated before Caylee was placed there and things went rapidly after that. I think casey grabbed the Pooh blanket from the house to try to bundle up Caylee and use as a barrier between her and Caylee's body.

I don't know much about TonE's schedule.

The Pooh blanket...so sad.

[Unleashed]

I think the person that said that meant "trolls"-the ones that just jump in to stir up trouble and get attention. "Lurkers" are beautiful, lurkers rock! If it wasn't for people just lurking and rarely posting then I would never catch up. :wink:

Heck, if it wasn't for lurkers, none of us would be here. Show of hands, please. Who, at least for a bit, DIDN'T lurk?


No hands? That's what I thought.


k,p

[Lavinia]

Ya, being Grammy is the biggest joy in my life!

She lights up when I spray crazystring around the bath room.

I know she likes me..lol

I think we need to take a close look at the body farm tests, or wait for it to be explained. I am sure it will all make sense by then.

The poster that just mentioned some sand was in the garbage bag with Caylee's remains, was correct I recall reading that.

Casey could have dug some sand out of the sandbox, buried her there, and then borrowed the shovel from the neighbor when she dug her out, and put her in the trunk, 2.5 days later.

For now, that is very close to my theory.

JMO

(The grandbaby sound precious! I haven't bugged my married kids much but they better get busy, lol.))

About the sand, I wouldn't be surprised if there is sand with Caylee even if she never touched the backyard. I don't doubt that that area is very sandy with its high granite composition. With the water that was in that area, there would have been a lot of sifting of the debris in and around that bag and since sand is so relatively heavy (and large in grain) to other forms of dirt/silt, I can see if being left behind when all others wash out with the water. We need MORE info, lol, as all new info calls for more clarification, darn 'em!

[Lavinia]

Lavinia, have you read Dr. Schultz's report about the scattering of the bones?

I believe he is so "dead on". Caylee could have been skeletonized in as little as 2-4 weeks. And Caylee was scattered before then, in his opinion.

And the Sodium trunk tests say that if Caylee was in the trunk for more than 7 days, the Sodium levels, would...in my own words...been off the chart. The butyric acid was the only acid that had appeared in the VFA testing.

I think the grave wax thingy (which the report said was LIKE grave wax) could have come from just the paper towel coming in contact with a previous visit to the body and then left in the trunk.

I think I've just confused myself! :scared:

Hey ML! :seeya: Yeah, I did read the report. VERY interesting. (I noticed that qualifier "like grave wax" also and wonder just what the heck THAT means! If they would qualify that, we might not be so puzzled.)

[imc_e]

I just finished watching a video where the ZFG attorneys were in court regarding how casey should be depo'd. The best part was watching the dream team(NOT)perform their circus act. At the table was a man who I couldn't quite figure out was doing, BC, commonly known as Ironside and sitting behind them was boyfriend who was pulling the puppet strings. Early on boyfriend attempted to get up and "state his purpose ..yak,yak, yak,yak" , the judge told him that only if what he had to say pertained to the motion being heard. Well, boyfriend said he felt it was important to...yak,yak,yak,yak,when M&M stood up and objected to boyfriend even being heard by the judge b/c he hadn't filed notice(I think this was the term) and the judge agreed and told(too nicely IMO)boyfriend to sit down. Then stranger ranger asked to confer with his "team". After taking several minutes to discuss with ironside and boyfriend, stranger ranger stood up and said "I would like to call Mr. Baez as a witness to the stand. Our hero's jumped up and in general terms said this was outrageous so boyfriend had to sit back down.
And the a**'s are paying them!!!!!:laugh:

Ironside :lol:

[BobbysGirl]

Yeah, the Nanny is a "10".

So I guess she looks like Bo Dereck

LOL Not according to Cin and poor George and his cell of a conscience. IMO

[missinglink]

Hey ML! :seeya: Yeah, I did read the report. VERY interesting. (I noticed that qualifier "like grave wax" also and wonder just what the heck THAT means! If they would qualify that, we might not be so puzzled.)

There you go! They need to qualify the qualifiers and we'll have it solved! Good to see you too! :wub:

[missinglink]

You stay and lurk all you want Sus2!

Ditto.

For all lurkers...:thumbsup:

[Lavinia]

Ohio Haylee Donovan, NOT THE FORIDA HAYLEE Cummings (which is Haleigh), has been found alive with her mother and the sex offender.

[nothingnew]

It sure is. IMO so many things point to G&C being involved from the start.
Which is what makes this case so sad. Did anybody REALLY care about Caylee?

Jesse Grund

[Sun]

I just finished watching a video where the ZFG attorneys were in court regarding how casey should be depo'd. The best part was watching the dream team(NOT)perform their circus act. At the table was a man who I couldn't quite figure out was doing, BC, commonly known as Ironside and sitting behind them was boyfriend who was pulling the puppet strings. Early on boyfriend attempted to get up and "state his purpose ..yak,yak, yak,yak" , the judge told him that only if what he had to say pertained to the motion being heard. Well, boyfriend said he felt it was important to...yak,yak,yak,yak,when M&M stood up and objected to boyfriend even being heard by the judge b/c he hadn't filed notice(I think this was the term) and the judge agreed and told(too nicely IMO)boyfriend to sit down. Then stranger ranger asked to confer with his "team". After taking several minutes to discuss with ironside and boyfriend, stranger ranger stood up and said "I would like to call Mr. Baez as a witness to the stand. Our hero's jumped up and in general terms said this was outrageous so boyfriend had to sit back down.
And the a**'s are paying them!!!!!

:lol: :lol: :lol: Do you have a link to this video? I need a few laughs today.

[Lavinia]

only if the lurkers bring the absynthe

:laugh: THERE ya' go! :lol:

[desmom]

My opinion is the 18th or 19th at the latest. Do we know TonE's schedule for those days? It sounds like she was with him constantly so it would have to be a time when he was busy. Also if it was so hot in Florida at that time then the trunk was probably already pre-heated before Caylee was placed there and things went rapidly after that. I think casey grabbed the Pooh blanket from the house to try to bundle up Caylee and use as a barrier between her and Caylee's body.

Tone had class from 9 - 1. Special projects or talking to classmates after class, he usually arrived home between 1:30 - 2:00 p.m.

Tone's interview with LE on 7/28
pages 9 - 10 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Lazzaro,%20Anthony0728.pdf

how Full Sail works… each month um, you change your schedule. Like the past two months that she’s been.. like you know like basically here. Like um, I had 9 to 1 p.m., class.

Um, now sometimes we have projects and stuff I don’t usually get out. Maybe I’ll you know I’ll just be outside and conversing with my... like you know all the classmates.

So, I’ll sometimes I won’t be home till you know 1:30, 2 o’clock in the afternoon. She said you know she’s already been home back with groceries and said she was out and doing errands or whatever.

[Unleashed]

Ironside :lol:

I can't see that name or the phrase 'dead squirrels' without :lol::lol:

It gets embarrassing in public, tho.

jmo

[missinglink]

Tone had class from 9 - 1. Special projects or talking to classmates after class, he usually arrived home between 1:30 - 2:00 p.m.

Tone's interview with LE on 7/28
pages 9 - 10 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Lazzaro,%20Anthony0728.pdf

how Full Sail works… each month um, you change your schedule. Like the past two months that she’s been.. like you know like basically here. Like um, I had 9 to 1 p.m., class.

Um, now sometimes we have projects and stuff I don’t usually get out. Maybe I’ll you know I’ll just be outside and conversing with my... like you know all the classmates.

So, I’ll sometimes I won’t be home till you know 1:30, 2 o’clock in the afternoon. She said you know she’s already been home back with groceries and said she was out and doing errands or whatever.

Desmom, you're simply amazing! Thank you for all your links and more.

[smileyjoe]

I will say that while lurking I have enjoyed some of the banter without being involved, I 've seen some posters go by the wayside to band camp and go shopping on the way for new dresses, and it sometimes takes a few post to figure out which is which, and sometimes they have themes, ( soda pop) that gives us a hint. Sometimes we have the ones that seem to have inside info ( Littlebitty, Peter,) and then the ones that just like to be RIGHT on everything, I could go on but will not. But thanks to all the posters that keep lurkers informed and up to date. Desmom thanks for your daily updates aince June 15, they are very helpful to bring it back to our thoughts each day.

Just wanted to say Thanks to all!! Let you know you are appreciated


Ditto!!

:thumbsup:

[BJames]

Yes Desmom, thank you for all of your links...I look for them every morning. Especially the ones recalling what was happening a year ago...I can't believe that it has been a whole year!

So basically...TonE got up and out in the morning and went to class, and by the time he got home she had already done her stuff for the day and was back there.
So for the earlier timeframe (June 16th-July 15th)...where the heck was Caylee in the morning/afternoon...let alone at night? The Anthonys didn't have her...and she wasn't with Casey...where the heck was she?
I wonder where Cindy thinks that Caylee was?

Just my opinion of course...

[seeing_eye]

I'm sorry to quote myself, but does anyone have an opinion?

Yesterday, I was thinking she had Caylee in the trunk for several weeks. But after reading Dr. Schultz's report on time of death and scattering of bones, it seems as though Caylee was dumped in the woods during early stages of decomposition.

Also, the trunk readings, with the VFA reports, lead me to believe Caylee was dumped by June 21.

Dr. Stultz said her body had not disarticulated yet by the time the scattering began, so...

If I disappear from posting, I'm having internet problems.

I would think the body was dumped pretty close to the 18th. I'm basing my theory on what I recall in the forensics report. I think it said the body had been in the trunk approximately 2.6 days.

[AnnieBell]

:lol: :lol: :lol: Do you have a link to this video? I need a few laughs today.

http://www.wftv.com/video/16914628/index.html



Enjoy!!!!

[adair]

I think that was the planned scenario - the someone would steal the car and blame would fall on that unsuspecting person. I don't think Casey ever thought the car would be towed. Again, something thinking they were smarter than everyone else.


Didn't she also leave her keys in the car, too?

[legalmania]

damn......

There has to be some kind of protection though because it is so easy to hack into someones computer.

[missinglink]

I would think the body was dumped pretty close to the 18th. I'm basing my theory on what I recall in the forensics report. I think it said the body had been in the trunk approximately 2.6 days.

Me too. Going on forensics. Maybe a few more days if Caylee was in the backyard for a day or two. Thank you.

[nothingnew]

I don't know much about TonE's schedule.

The Pooh blanket...so sad.

I don't remember there being a lot of TonE information out there either. She was pretty much a roommate for those weeks and she only had her own transportation until she dropped her car at Amscot. Maybe she disposed of Caylee on the same day she went to Jesse's to take a shower. I also think the paper towels were used to clean her own hands and not the trunk. dumb as a rock that American psycho.

[margaritaville]

Jesse Grund

Cristina must have cared for her alot also...
Remember that conversation?

Snip>>>>>
Christina: "If anything happens to Caylee, Casey, I'll die. Do you understand? I'll die if anything happens to that baby."

Casey: "Oh, wow. Oh, my God, calling you guy is a waste, huge waste. Honey, I love you. You know I would not let anything happen to my daughter. If I knew where she was, this wouldn't be going on."

[legalmania]

Me too. Going on forensics. Maybe a few more days if Caylee was in the backyard for a day or two. Thank you.

Do you or anyone remember what day she was backed up into her garage?

[nothingnew]

Heck, if it wasn't for lurkers, none of us would be here. Show of hands, please. Who, at least for a bit, DIDN'T lurk?


No hands? That's what I thought.


k,p

Are you starting to feel all "Kumbaya" right now or is that just me? :laugh:

[adair]

I don't remember there being a lot of TonE information out there either. She was pretty much a roommate for those weeks and she only had her own transportation until she dropped her car at Amscot. Maybe she disposed of Caylee on the same day she went to Jesse's to take a shower. I also think the paper towels were used to clean her own hands and not the trunk. dumb as a rock that American psycho.


I am sorry that i am way way behind..........can someone please fill me in on the papertowels you guys are talking about....

tia

[Sun]

I just finished watching a video where the ZFG attorneys were in court regarding how casey should be depo'd. The best part was watching the dream team(NOT)perform their circus act. At the table was a man who I couldn't quite figure out was doing, BC, commonly known as Ironside and sitting behind them was boyfriend who was pulling the puppet strings. Early on boyfriend attempted to get up and "state his purpose ..yak,yak, yak,yak" , the judge told him that only if what he had to say pertained to the motion being heard. Well, boyfriend said he felt it was important to...yak,yak,yak,yak,when M&M stood up and objected to boyfriend even being heard by the judge b/c he hadn't filed notice(I think this was the term) and the judge agreed and told(too nicely IMO)boyfriend to sit down. Then stranger ranger asked to confer with his "team". After taking several minutes to discuss with ironside and boyfriend, stranger ranger stood up and said "I would like to call Mr. Baez as a witness to the stand. Our hero's jumped up and in general terms said this was outrageous so boyfriend had to sit back down.
And the a**'s are paying them!!!!!:laugh:

http://www.wftv.com/video/18438863/index.html

I think this may be a link to what you are talking about. .....good to see Judge Rodriguez "tell" Baez! This is the laugh that I needed today.

[Lapis]

:seeya: to all of our lurkers!

Just a question if any of our legal folks know?

Is it 'OK' for an attorney to 'down play' the seriousness of the charges to his client?
If Jose (or none of the others) advise Casey that she could spend the rest of her life in jail, and maybe be put to death...and there is a 'good' chance that she may be found guilty...could she claim 'ineffective counsel' after the trial?
Are there any laws that 'protect' a client against being lead down the garden path?

Thanks to anyone who knows :smile:

I can't speak for all attorneys but my retainer agreement outlines exactly what the charges are and the penalties the client is facing. The retainer also says I make no guarantees as to the outcome of the case. Since they sign the retainer they cannot later claim I did not advise them of the consequences they face.

In conversations I try to be as realistic as possible. It is a fine line because you don't want the client to think you are afraid to try the case. Ultimately, the client decides whether to plead or not. The retainer agreement states that as well. JMO

[happy2bme]

Cristina must have cared for her alot also...
Remember that conversation?

Snip>>>>>
Christina: "If anything happens to Caylee, Casey, I'll die. Do you understand? I'll die if anything happens to that baby."

Casey: "Oh, wow. Oh, my God, calling you guy is a waste, huge waste. Honey, I love you. You know I would not let anything happen to my daughter. If I knew where she was, this wouldn't be going on."

Yes, I remember it well.....one of the many times I wanted to witch-slap Casey Anthony.:mad:

[v8433]

http://media.photobucket.com/image/casey%20anthony%20tattoo/bigmouthshelly/kcbozo-1.jpg

Even if you have already seen this - it makes me giggle EVERY time!

LOL, thanks for the laugh!!!!

[happy2bme]

Do you or anyone remember what day she was backed up into her garage?

JUne 20th, I think.

[missinglink]

Do you or anyone remember what day she was backed up into her garage?

No, I'm sorry, but I don't remember.

[nothingnew]

Tone had class from 9 - 1. Special projects or talking to classmates after class, he usually arrived home between 1:30 - 2:00 p.m.

Tone's interview with LE on 7/28
pages 9 - 10 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Lazzaro,%20Anthony0728.pdf

how Full Sail works… each month um, you change your schedule. Like the past two months that she’s been.. like you know like basically here. Like um, I had 9 to 1 p.m., class.

Um, now sometimes we have projects and stuff I don’t usually get out. Maybe I’ll you know I’ll just be outside and conversing with my... like you know all the classmates.

So, I’ll sometimes I won’t be home till you know 1:30, 2 o’clock in the afternoon. She said you know she’s already been home back with groceries and said she was out and doing errands or whatever.

Wow!! Thanks for the info and links, I don't know how you do that so fast but it's just magical! So TonE has class from 9 to 1 and in a spooky coincidence casey dropped Caylee at Sawgrass between 9 & 1.
There's just nothing original with casey, what's that called....a psychic vampire? I think she might have done all of the bundling of Caylee in those hours and then found some time at night to run an errand and go to Suburban Dr.Then again she is dumb enough to do it during daylight hours-it might have given her a sick little rush.

[AnnieBell]

http://www.wftv.com/video/18438863/index.html

I think this may be a link to what you are talking about. .....good to see Judge Rodriguez "tell" Baez! This is the laugh that I needed today.

Judge Rodriguez is handling the criminal side, M&M attorneys are involved with the civil one but you're in the right area. Just browse thru and you'll find the videos of the civil court hearing. I found the specific video and posted it a couple of post's back. hee,hee,hee you can find a good laugh with any video that has boyfriend in them.:biggrin:

[Sun]

I don't remember there being a lot of TonE information out there either. She was pretty much a roommate for those weeks and she only had her own transportation until she dropped her car at Amscot. Maybe she disposed of Caylee on the same day she went to Jesse's to take a shower. I also think the paper towels were used to clean her own hands and not the trunk. dumb as a rock that American psycho.

I've always looked at the period between June 16th and July 15th, as Casey being "homeless" by her own choice. Sure, she slept over at Tony's. Sure, she returned to the Anthony home for short periods of time. Slept over at Ricardo's. Showered at Jesse's. Spent time at William's or Chris's. Usually when someone moves, they will put in a forwarding address for their mail. Nowhere is mentioned that Casey did this. Surely a mother, age 22, with a child, does get some mail. If Casey had been a child, I would have classified her as a runaway. LOL

[margaritaville]

Yes, I remember it well.....one of the many times I wanted to witch-slap Casey Anthony.:mad:

Oh ITA with you!!

Through that whole conversation she had that "holier then thou" attitude.
I especially like the part where she tells Lee not to bother going to her court appearance...lol
If I were them I wouldn't have...Let the B1tch sit there by herself with bozo..
But no, the parents go and show their "full support".......Ick, makes me sick!

[Unleashed]

http://media.photobucket.com/image/casey%20anthony%20tattoo/bigmouthshelly/kcbozo-1.jpg

Even if you have already seen this - it makes me giggle EVERY time!

:no::punch:
ndy, you PROMISED last night not to do that again!


jmo

[margaritaville]

You know I keep thinking about those paper towels from the trunk with the "grave wax" on them...... I bet it was on her pants too. Ya know the ones that Cindy so conveniently washed.....:cursing:

[happy2bme]

Do you or anyone remember what day she was backed up into her garage?


Brian Burners Transcript (neighbor)
Part 1
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Burner%20%20Brian-01-0717.pdf

Part 2
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Burner%20%20Brian%2002-0717.pdf

[BJames]

I can't speak for all attorneys but my retainer agreement outlines exactly what the charges are and the penalties the client is facing. The retainer also says I make no guarantees as to the outcome of the case. Since they sign the retainer they cannot later claim I did not advise them of the consequences they face.

In conversations I try to be as realistic as possible. It is a fine line because you don't want the client to think you are afraid to try the case. Ultimately, the client decides whether to plead or not. The retainer agreement states that as well. JMO


Thanks Lapis, I was hoping that you were still on :smile:

So basically the client is informed of the potential situation and has to sign off on it coming back that the attorney didn't advise them of the possible out come? Hmmmm...I can see how that might be a very fine line to tread as a lawyer....
I am hoping that Casey is reading the documents that she is signing and not just relying on the history she seems to have of thinking that if she just believes/wishes things are a certain way that she wants them...they will become 'reality'. That is she believes it enough...it must be 'true'...

Thanks for your input Lapis...I would imagine that most attorneys have met some pretty 'interesting' clients at certain times :wink:


Just my opinion of course...

[legalmania]

JUne 20th, I think.


That's to far, see I was thinking on that day she was getting bags from the house but if it was the 20th then she had to have already placed her.

[Barbara fl.]

Don't forget about the time she wanted the judge to let her roam around without surveillance while out on bail. (Which he denied.) I think it was her intention then to move the body to a place harder to find or to somehow destroy the body entirely. It's MO that at this point, everybody was well aware that "no body" equaled possible "reasonable doubt."



Exactly....The body destroyed all of them....Cindy, George,Lee, the defense and most of all Casey....

[Sun]

Judge Rodriguez is handling the criminal side, M&M attorneys are involved with the civil one but you're in the right area. Just browse thru and you'll find the videos of the civil court hearing. I found the specific video and posted it a couple of post's back. hee,hee,hee you can find a good laugh with any video that has boyfriend in them.:biggrin:

Judge Rodriguez is the Judge for the Civil Case. Kasen is the attorney on record for the Civil Case... yet couldn't even be bothered to show up for a court hearing on a Motion that he filed. And Morgan/Mitnik/Dill are the attorneys on record for the Civil Case for the Plaintiff.

http://www.wftv.com/video/18438863/index.html

And, since Kasen didn't appear..... Baez was there, with Conway also sitting in at the defense table.

[nothingnew]

Cristina must have cared for her alot also...
Remember that conversation?

Snip>>>>>
Christina: "If anything happens to Caylee, Casey, I'll die. Do you understand? I'll die if anything happens to that baby."

Casey: "Oh, wow. Oh, my God, calling you guy is a waste, huge waste. Honey, I love you. You know I would not let anything happen to my daughter. If I knew where she was, this wouldn't be going on."

Oh yeah, I remember that call. Christina had so much emotion in her voice you could feel her pain and there's casey being slightly annoyed at having to answer questions from behind bars and no one telling her the phone number of TonE. "Uh, because he's my boyfriend", nothing about Caylee from casey's side of the phone.

[legalmania]

Brian Burners Transcript (neighbor)
Part 1
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Burner%20%20Brian-01-0717.pdf

Part 2
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Burner%20%20Brian%2002-0717.pdf

Oh how I love my prepared posters. Thanks.

[Rapunzel]

IMO Judge Strickland is very aware of the media coverage that is happening. I think that he's also aware of how disrespectful Baez has been to the media in the Orlando area. ...and I have to keep reminding myself that this isn't all about Baez, but about Casey's rights.

Orlanda has a huge population, and I am praying that Judge Strickland will attempt to seat a Jury from there, before looking elsewhere.


Oh, he will!!

[Barbara fl.]

Just wanted to jump in and thank you all. This board rocks! I am on here mostly at work. You have kept me updated and are such a great group. Sorry for the o/t....but thanks!!


Welcome to the board....Hope to see you on here again....

[~layla~]

I just finished watching a video where the ZFG attorneys were in court regarding how casey should be depo'd. The best part was watching the dream team(NOT)perform their circus act. At the table was a man who I couldn't quite figure out was doing, BC, commonly known as Ironside and sitting behind them was boyfriend who was pulling the puppet strings. Early on boyfriend attempted to get up and "state his purpose ..yak,yak, yak,yak" , the judge told him that only if what he had to say pertained to the motion being heard. Well, boyfriend said he felt it was important to...yak,yak,yak,yak,when M&M stood up and objected to boyfriend even being heard by the judge b/c he hadn't filed notice(I think this was the term) and the judge agreed and told(too nicely IMO)boyfriend to sit down. Then stranger ranger asked to confer with his "team". After taking several minutes to discuss with ironside and boyfriend, stranger ranger stood up and said "I would like to call Mr. Baez as a witness to the stand. Our hero's jumped up and in general terms said this was outrageous so boyfriend had to sit back down.
And the a**'s are paying them!!!!!:laugh:

While I find this post somewhat informative... I dont follow all the nickname terms. I thought it was mandatory we use names in posts?
BC I understood... boyfriend I didnt... :shrug:

[legalmania]

:no::punch:
ndy, you PROMISED last night not to do that again!


jmo

Gee Unleashed no warning, I just ate. I know some people thinks that is sexy, but 20lbs overweight is enough for me.

[happy2bme]

Oh how I love my prepared posters. Thanks.

I have it saved to my computer because I seem to get all this mess mixed up as time goes by. lol

[nothingnew]

I am sorry that i am way way behind..........can someone please fill me in on the papertowels you guys are talking about....

tia

There were paper towels with grave wax or "like" grave wax on them in the bag of trash that casey left in the trunk and was thrown in the dumpster at the towyard the day george picked up the car. Bag of trash was later retrieved by law enforcement (LE).

[legalmania]

No, I'm sorry, but I don't remember.

That's o.k. neither do I.

[legalmania]

I have it saved to my computer because I seem to get all this mess mixed up as time goes by. lol


You'd have to be beyond genius to be able to keep it straight in your mind.

[Rapunzel]

I think that was the planned scenario - the someone would steal the car and blame would fall on that unsuspecting person. I don't think Casey ever thought the car would be towed. Again, something thinking they were smarter than everyone else.

If I wanted someone to steal my car, number 1, I would leave it unlocked...number 2...leave the keys in it...she did neither...she locked it and took the keys...she did leave her empty work (cough) handbag in the front seat, but if it would have been me...I would have left it unlocked at least. I don't know if she wanted someone to steal it or not...that car was her lifeline...and if she wanted someone to steal it, why try and get gas cans???
I guess I just can't wrap my head around her sociopathic idea's.

[desmom]

Do you or anyone remember what day she was backed up into her garage?
http://flawebhosting.net/docs092308/bb092308.pdf

June 17 -Brian Burner saw Casey back her car into the garage. Page 5

On June 18 or 19, Casey borrowed a shovel from Brian Burner at approximately 1:30 p.m. Casey’s car was backed into the garage. She returned the shovel around 2:30 p.m. Pages 6 – 7

June 20 - Brian Burner sees Casey’s car backed into the garage early afternoon. Page 9

[desmom]

Wow!! Thanks for the info and links, I don't know how you do that so fast but it's just magical! So TonE has class from 9 to 1 and in a spooky coincidence casey dropped Caylee at Sawgrass between 9 & 1.
There's just nothing original with casey, what's that called....a psychic vampire? I think she might have done all of the bundling of Caylee in those hours and then found some time at night to run an errand and go to Suburban Dr.Then again she is dumb enough to do it during daylight hours-it might have given her a sick little rush.

Good Catch! I didn't put the 2 together. Now we know why she said between 9 & 1!

Kudos to you! :beer:

[Rapunzel]

Although some of us could be considered to be just "strange"...lol...

That's true...but not me of course...I'm normal...:tonguewag::tonguewag:

[Rapunzel]

Hi Imp! I was confused on the paper towel/grave wax thing too. I think Casey had visited Caylee's body , got grave wax on her, wiped her hands on the towel, then put it in the trunk.

Just a minimal amount of grave wax was found on some of Caylee's bones when found.

Yes, but prolly a lot had dissipated in the elements, plus some of her bones had been chewed on by animals...:sad:

[BobbysGirl]

IMHO

I doubt the A's are showing up in court to defend Casey or Caylee. It is all about them. What they can get. Their appearances on the media shows are for the $$$. They love attention and focus on them. I believe they are very selfish people and only care about themselves. No wonder Casey will not acknowledge her parents in court.

After George and his fiasco walking out of last court date proves to me it is not about Casey or Caylee. He was p'od cause he was called on his/their ch** when asked how many times they appeared before media.

They have told so many stories and lies they do not know which end is up or down.

And,I for one, would like to know who is paying for Caseys defense. Certainly not them. They barely get enough $$$ to keep them in gum and water.

And the souls who send Casey money. Heck, I believe she is eating better than her parents. After all the chili and pizza diet, they must be sick of it.

I will never understand them. I try, but is beyond my comprehension.

Off my soap box rant.

All IMOO

BG


Casey is going down.

[BJames]

http://flawebhosting.net/docs092308/bb092308.pdf

June 17 -Brian Burner saw Casey back her car into the garage. Page 5

On June 18 or 19, Casey borrowed a shovel from Brian Burner at approximately 1:30 p.m. Casey’s car was backed into the garage. She returned the shovel around 2:30 p.m. Pages 6 – 7

June 20 - Brian Burner sees Casey’s car backed into the garage early afternoon. Page 9

Thanks again Desmom...

And all of those days (17th-20th) were weekdays so Cindy and George would have been at work, and on or before 2:30 pm...so she would have time to make it back to TonE's..and would have missed George if he was leaving approx. 1:30.

Interesting...

[nothingnew]

I've always looked at the period between June 16th and July 15th, as Casey being "homeless" by her own choice. Sure, she slept over at Tony's. Sure, she returned to the Anthony home for short periods of time. Slept over at Ricardo's. Showered at Jesse's. Spent time at William's or Chris's. Usually when someone moves, they will put in a forwarding address for their mail. Nowhere is mentioned that Casey did this. Surely a mother, age 22, with a child, does get some mail. If Casey had been a child, I would have classified her as a runaway. LOL

I think she was only 'homeless" when TonE went to New York and she couldn't camp out at his place. I just picture her as glued to his apartment whenever possible playing den mother/playmate.

[legalmania]

http://flawebhosting.net/docs092308/bb092308.pdf

June 17 -Brian Burner saw Casey back her car into the garage. Page 5

On June 18 or 19, Casey borrowed a shovel from Brian Burner at approximately 1:30 p.m. Casey’s car was backed into the garage. She returned the shovel around 2:30 p.m. Pages 6 – 7

June 20 - Brian Burner sees Casey’s car backed into the garage early afternoon. Page 9

So on the 17th she must have gotten the bags from the house because of the smell then came back on the 18 or 19 to bury her but realized how deep she would have had to make the hole. So she returned the shovel. Maybe drove by the empty lot and decided to come back at night.

[msjoni]

I will say that while lurking I have enjoyed some of the banter without being involved, I 've seen some posters go by the wayside to band camp and go shopping on the way for new dresses, and it sometimes takes a few post to figure out which is which, and sometimes they have themes, ( soda pop) that gives us a hint. Sometimes we have the ones that seem to have inside info ( Littlebitty, Peter,) and then the ones that just like to be RIGHT on everything, I could go on but will not. But thanks to all the posters that keep lurkers informed and up to date. Desmom thanks for your daily updates aince June 15, they are very helpful to bring it back to our thoughts each day.

Just wanted to say Thanks to all!! Let you know you are appreciated

:thumbup: Ditto!

[legalmania]

There were paper towels with grave wax or "like" grave wax on them in the bag of trash that casey left in the trunk and was thrown in the dumpster at the towyard the day george picked up the car. Bag of trash was later retrieved by law enforcement (LE).

What is grave wax?

[AnniePie]

Ditto.

For all lurkers...:thumbsup:

I was out and about doing errands just now, and I was thinking about lurking on the board. I found this board the day after Nancy Grace first reported that Caylee had been missing and we watched the OC sashay into the courtroom in her blue hoody. I didn't know crime boards even existed at that time!

But my point is that I didn't lurk. It wasn't more than five minutes that I was posting like a madwoman, because everyone here at that time (and now) is so friendly and make newbies welcome.

I just wanted to pat us all on the back today. :smile:

Group hug!!

[BJames]

So if the last visit Casey made was to pick up Caylee's body was on Friday June 20th (per Brian B)...maybe she remained in the trunk until after the gas cans situation on Tuesday June 24th?
She backed that car up for a reason each time...

[summer]

I was out and about doing errands just now, and I was thinking about lurking on the board. I found this board the day after Nancy Grace first reported that Caylee had been missing and we watched the OC sashay into the courtroom in her blue hoody. I didn't know crime boards even existed at that time!

But my point is that I didn't lurk. It wasn't more than five minutes that I was posting like a madwoman, because everyone here at that time (and now) is so friendly and make newbies welcome.

I just wanted to pat us all on the back today. :smile:

Group hug!!

You're all amazing. So funny and smart and gosh darned nice. I've only been here a week or so and am blabbing my mouth off. :lol:

OK, group hug and ::: poof :: for now but not for long! :wub:

[BobbysGirl]

naaa...Casey is not a psychic vampire. the "borrowing" from other people's life is just part of her M.O.

Hi Blackbird, you said 'psychic vampire'

My op, she is one. She takes, and takes. Uses people and steals their very hearts. Mind, body and soul. They suck on others. Reaps to gain what she wants. After she gets, she goes on to the next. JMO

BG

[Lavinia]

:thumbup: Ditto!

Hey, LTNS, Ms. Joni! :wub:

[Lavinia]

DESMOM is DEDICATED!!! We are lucky to have her...:biggrin:

Amen to that! :thumbsup:

[msjoni]

Hey, LTNS, Ms. Joni! :wub:

I'm glad to see you're still here Lavinia!!!:wub:

[legalmania]

Never seen this.

I think it´s funny!!! OMG:lol:.

LL
jmo

They should be the poster people for the new health care program.

[Lavinia]

I'm glad to see you're still here Lavinia!!!:wub:

Hopefully, I'll be here till the bitter end. I want to be here years from now discussing how few teeth the OC has, lol.

I hope you're doing well. :seeya:

[nothingnew]

Good Catch! I didn't put the 2 together. Now we know why she said between 9 & 1!

Kudos to you! :beer:

Well I only caught that because you "throw" so good!! :beer:

[Barbara fl.]

Never seen this.

I think it´s funny!!! OMG:lol:.

LL
jmo



Someone should send this to Casey in jail.....:lol:

[legalmania]

Hopefully, I'll be here till the bitter end. I want to be here years from now discussing how few teeth the OC has, lol.

I hope you're doing well. :seeya:

Let's hope the technology is so good people won't lose their teeth, hair or sight and mind.

[really3997]

Hydee Ho Neighbors:wub:

[Lavinia]

Let's hope the technology is so good people won't lose their teeth, hair or sight and mind.

I don't know if technology is going to keep Loretta in tier D, Cell 45, from knocking out some of Casey's teeth. :confused: :biggrin:

[Imperfect4]

Hydee Ho Neighbors:wub:

Hey missy!

What's new in the 'hood? :w00t:

[Barbara fl.]

So if the last visit Casey made was to pick up Caylee's body was on Friday June 20th (per Brian B)...maybe she remained in the trunk until after the gas cans situation on Tuesday June 24th?
She backed that car up for a reason each time...


I know that one thing is for certain.....between all of our ideas as to what took place...one of us have got to be right....

I just hope one day we will find out what happened to poor Caylee....Caylee, the one that has been forgotten by her family.....

[nothingnew]

naaa...Casey is not a psychic vampire. the "borrowing" from other people's life is just part of her M.O.

Link for you: http://healing.about.com/library/quiz/vampire/blvampirequiz.htm

For chits and giggles take the quiz and "borrow" casey's "personality" (yes, I now she doesn't really own one but pretend).

starting NOW! :wink:

[Lavinia]

Hydee Ho Neighbors:wub:

Hey Really! :seeya: Anything good?

[nothingnew]

What is grave wax?

When a body starts to decompose the fat turns into a soapy substance called adipocere. So far I think we are stuck at "within a month" as to when this takes place. No "at least 24 hours" or anything just "within" a month.

[AnnieBell]

Judge Rodriguez is the Judge for the Civil Case. Kasen is the attorney on record for the Civil Case... yet couldn't even be bothered to show up for a court hearing on a Motion that he filed. And Morgan/Mitnik/Dill are the attorneys on record for the Civil Case for the Plaintiff.

http://www.wftv.com/video/18438863/index.html

And, since Kasen didn't appear..... Baez was there, with Conway also sitting in at the defense table.

Drats, sorry for the confusion. Isn't Judge Strickland the judge for the criminal case?

and who's on first?

[Sun]

Hydee Ho Neighbors:wub:

Hydee Ho! Any new news in the neighborhood?

[msjoni]

Legalmania, it's from Strawberry fields forever......living with eyes closed is something the Ants do quite well....:cursing:

[nothingnew]

So if the last visit Casey made was to pick up Caylee's body was on Friday June 20th (per Brian B)...maybe she remained in the trunk until after the gas cans situation on Tuesday June 24th?
She backed that car up for a reason each time...

I think it's possible that she took Caylee down the street on the 18th and then the following days was in the garage trying to clean the stain and odor with whatever she could find.

[legalmania]

When a body starts to decompose the fat turns into a soapy substance called adipocere. So far I think we are stuck at "within a month" as to when this takes place. No "at least 24 hours" or anything just "within" a month.


O.K. thank you. I thought it was wax you polished your grave with. I don't think I would want to use that.

[legalmania]

Legalmania, it's from Strawberry fields forever......living with eyes closed is something the Ants do quite well....:cursing:

Of course. I love that song.

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Now playing: The Beatles - Strawberry Fields Forever (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/the_beatles/track/strawberry_fields_forever)
via FoxyTunes (http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/)

[nothingnew]

Hi Blackbird, you said 'psychic vampire'

My op, she is one. She takes, and takes. Uses people and steals their very hearts. Mind, body and soul. They suck on others. Reaps to gain what she wants. After she gets, she goes on to the next. JMO

BG

Oh I totally agree and I also say cindy was one before casey ever came into the picture.

[Lavinia]

Yay, Vinnie Politan in for JVM tonight. Now my husband doesn't get to make fun of me. For that anyway. :cursing:

[texski]

LOVED THE BIKINIS THANKS
last winter a group of students? law clerks? whatever were in highland county, fla. checking out the demographics. conclusion, it was too conservative and too many old people.
they went to naples, fla. and it was supposed to be put on the list as a possible venue for the trial, it is more sophistacated(?) meaning more expensive i think. a higher class of old people with more money?

[really3997]

Hydee Ho! Any new news in the neighborhood?

Nope I assume Cindy is planning the next hour of power for Caylee's birthday. I know everyone was talking about this video today and I just wanted to chime in. http://www.wftv.com/video/16914203/index.html

MO is that this is the day that they investigation turned to from a missing person. This seems to be the day the shovel was found..Probably the last time we see a calm Cindy, angry Cindy followed JMO

[Imperfect4]

Yay, Vinnie Politan in for JVM tonight. Now my husband doesn't get to make fun of me. For that anyway. :cursing:

... :lol: ...

[legalmania]

Nope I assume Cindy is planning the next hour of power for Caylee's birthday. I know everyone was talking about this video today and I just wanted to chime in. http://www.wftv.com/video/16914203/index.html

MO is that this is the day that they investigation turned to from a missing person. This seems to be the day the shovel was found..Probably the last time we see a calm Cindy, angry Cindy followed JMO

I get so mad now I gotta take a xanax. How can she just stand there in court o.k calm.

[Chardonnay]

O/T question regarding the videos being posted..Is there something I can do to fix the "buffering" that constantly happens? It's so annoying to even begin to watch them. Does anybody else have the same problem? Or is it my computer? The 6 minute video with GR and CA took 22 minutes for me to watch.:cursing: Tia..