Tuesday June 23, 2009 #1

[~layla~]

A new day.


May Caylee RIP.

[AMS]

Good morning- thanks for the new thread.

imo

[desmom]

One year ago today.....June 23, 2008

Brian Burner believes he saw Casey at the house with a guy. He thinks they were in a pick-up but he only saw them for a second before entering his home. Page 12 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1641640/Brown-Brian---Statement

Tone picked up Casey, took her to get the gas cans at the A’s page 51 and page 55 Casey’s car was parked as if she was going to her house page 59
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Lazaro%20%20Tony.090808.pdf

No text messages between Amy and Casey located in doc dumps.

Casey’s cell records http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2385297/Casey_Anthony_cell_records_615_to_716

[desmom]

Casey Anthony case: Prosecutors want trial date set in fraud case
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-fraud-trial062209,0,6615801.story

State Wants To Photo Anthony's Tattoo
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/19823153/detail.html

[AMS]

The NG transcripts are not posted yet. Did anyone catch what Mark Williams said at the end when he was talking about George and his supposed suicide attempt? It was something that George confided in a nurse about his "attempt".

Thanks and good orning.

imp

[desmom]

Fraud Charges -

Images:

http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/17663095/detail.html

Target - July 8 - http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/17660775/detail.html

Target - July 10 - http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/17660926/detail.html

Bank - http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/17656954/detail.html

Video:

Cash Register - http://www.wftv.com/video/17664021/index.html

Entering & Exiting Target 7/08 - http://www.wftv.com/video/17660840/index.html

Checkout 7/08 - http://www.wftv.com/video/17660816/index.html

Entering & Exiting Target 7/10 - http://www.wftv.com/video/17660789/index.html

Checkout 7/10 - http://www.wftv.com/video/17660819/index.html

Bank Video - http://www.wftv.com/video/17658434/index.html

Fraud Charges Arrest Affidavit
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/7562873/Casey-Anthony-FRAUD-arrest-affidavit

[n/t]

Good morning,

Will the same prosecutors prosecute the fraud charges?

AMS: I watched NG but I guess I missed that part.

[desmom]

Good morning,

Will the same prosecutors prosecute the fraud charges?

AMS: I watched NG but I guess I missed that part.

I checked http://www.myorangeclerk.com/myclerk/ and Jose is listed as Casey's attorney and Strickland is the judge. No prosecutor's name listed.

The state's motion for a new trial date is recorded on 6/19. What I found interesting is on 5/4/09 a motion for change of venue was recorded...the same day a COV was filed on the murder charges.

Could JB be hoping all the charges will be in one trial? I hope not. I think it will be too much info for the jury and the fraud charges will be ignored.

jmo

[desmom]

The NG transcripts are not posted yet. Did anyone catch what Mark Williams said at the end when he was talking about George and his supposed suicide attempt? It was something that George confided in a nurse about his "attempt".

Thanks and good orning.

imp

I missed it.

Nancy Grace June 22, 2009

Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-xJEwNGhDI&feature=channel_page

Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-RYTTw6DHU&feature=channel

Part 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7PK_UhIiGo&feature=channel

Part 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_A21SLrRwo&feature=channel

Part 5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7ePAIxJi7Q&feature=channel

ETA ~ Part 5 is the part with Mark Williams about G's suicide.

[n/t]

I checked http://www.myorangeclerk.com/myclerk/ and Jose is listed as Casey's attorney and Strickland is the judge. No prosecutor's name listed.

The state's motion for a new trial date is recorded on 6/19. What I found interesting is on 5/4/09 a motion for change of venue was recorded...the same day a COV was filed on the murder charges.

Could JB be hoping all the charges will be in one trial? I hope not. I think it will be too much info for the jury and the fraud charges will be ignored.

jmo


Thanks Des. I agree that it will be too much for the jury. The jury needs to focus on the evidence that will be presented in the murder trial.

I wonder if they'll be able to present the fraud evidence, if and when she is charged of fraud to the murder trial though (if done separately)? It does prove she had NO JOB and was stealing money and therefore could not afford a nanny. :shrug:

I guess we'll have to wait and see.

[Justice4All2]

It is simply unbelievable that anyone could muse that the autopsy of poor little Caylee shows no proof of homocide. The duct tape alone does that. There would be no need to do such a thing post mortem if it was an accident. And I also believe the theory that the body was put there after Casey was in custody is out the window, because of the roots growing up through the bones.

I know the defense team has to say something to mitigate this stuff, but they just sound silly now.

[Ladyhawk]

It is simply unbelievable that anyone could muse that the autopsy of poor little Caylee shows no proof of homocide. The duct tape alone does that. There would be no need to do such a thing post mortem if it was an accident. And I also believe the theory that the body was put there after Casey was in custody is out the window, because of the roots growing up through the bones.

I know the defense team has to say something to mitigate this stuff, but they just sound silly now.

The defense is asking that old question "who you gonna believe, me or your lying eyes?"

[Ladyhawk]

I checked http://www.myorangeclerk.com/myclerk/ and Jose is listed as Casey's attorney and Strickland is the judge. No prosecutor's name listed.

The state's motion for a new trial date is recorded on 6/19. What I found interesting is on 5/4/09 a motion for change of venue was recorded...the same day a COV was filed on the murder charges.

Could JB be hoping all the charges will be in one trial? I hope not. I think it will be too much info for the jury and the fraud charges will be ignored.

jmo

Thank you des for all the links you so faithfully post. I have not heard about a COV being filed. I thought I was following along fairly well but obviously not since I missed that biggie. Has Strickland set a date to hear that motion?

[CelticDawn]

Order of the Whited Sephulcre.
( Hope doesn''t Spring eternally)

Now That would make a good title for a Horror/Fantasy/Crime Novel all rolled into one hellish genre.


What do you all think?



Oh....and Good Morning.....Late and busy night last night....may as well not even try to go to bed until tonight now.

[kanzz]

The NG transcripts are not posted yet. Did anyone catch what Mark Williams said at the end when he was talking about George and his supposed suicide attempt? It was something that George confided in a nurse about his "attempt".

Thanks and good orning.

imp

I hope we hear more about this and it doesn't get lost in all the other issues. Never believed for one minute that he had actually attempted. I would like to know how Mark Williams learned this - from whom.

[CelticDawn]

I hope we hear more about this and it doesn't get lost in all the other issues. Never believed for one minute that he had actually attempted. I would like to know how Mark Williams learned this - from whom.

I don't believe that anybody who knew the anthonys MO at the time EVER believed that this was ever a genuine suicide attempt.

I believe that it was a distraction to give the rest of the camp time to complete one of their dastardly deeds in their continued efforts to cover up the original crimeS.....and to preserve what they THOUGHT was their good image and also to make people pity them....to feel as if they were just innocent hurting human beings like normal people would be...


I have no doubt that they hurt and feel.....but actions have consequences.....and sometimes one just has to roll with it and PAY for their playing or earlier indiscretions(however you want to put it).

[desmom]

Thank you des for all the links you so faithfully post. I have not heard about a COV being filed. I thought I was following along fairly well but obviously not since I missed that biggie. Has Strickland set a date to hear that motion?

IIRC, when the COV was brought up, the Pros. said it was too early to determine a COV since the trial may be months away. The judge agreed and it is something that will be taken into consideration at a later date.

JB complained about all the media coverage on the case in his COV. IMO, JB, the Dream Team, G & C and their attorney have all contributed to the media coverage locally and nationally.

Can he request a COV because of the media coverage if it is the Defense and family doing the media interviews? :shrug:

[Sun]

IIRC, when the COV was brought up, the Pros. said it was too early to determine a COV since the trial may be months away. The judge agreed and it is something that will be taken into consideration at a later date.

JB complained about all the media coverage on the case in his COV. IMO, JB, the Dream Team, G & C and their attorney have all contributed to the media coverage locally and nationally.

Can he request a COV because of the media coverage if it is the Defense and family doing the media interviews? :shrug:

I'm not really sure that Casey was being represented by a qualified attorney at the time that Baez filed for COV.

[Sun]

Can someone refresh my memory on the date that Casey got her shoulder tattoo? NG said July 6th... but for some reason, that is not the date that I remember. Anyone know, before I stop being lazy and just look up the info myself. LOL

[Kathlb]

The NG transcripts are not posted yet. Did anyone catch what Mark Williams said at the end when he was talking about George and his supposed suicide attempt? It was something that George confided in a nurse about his "attempt".

Thanks and good orning.

imp

First, thank you Desmom for the links each day. That's terrific!!

Next, AMS, I thought I heard them say that George said his suicide attempt was a fake. I'll have to check out the written version online to make sure. It was glossed over so quickly that I asked myself if I really heard that or not. LOL

Also...wasn't last Friday supposed to be all about Cindy on NG? Instead she wasn't there and it's never been mentioned again. I wonder if Cindy called her producers and said if they did that, she would sue??

[Ladyhawk]

IIRC, when the COV was brought up, the Pros. said it was too early to determine a COV since the trial may be months away. The judge agreed and it is something that will be taken into consideration at a later date.

JB complained about all the media coverage on the case in his COV. IMO, JB, the Dream Team, G & C and their attorney have all contributed to the media coverage locally and nationally.

Can he request a COV because of the media coverage if it is the Defense and family doing the media interviews? :shrug:

I guess he can ask. I would think that since all the protesters have gone away and no one is continually walking outside the jail with signs saying hang the baby killer that they would first try to seat a jury. If they can't seat a jury then he could move it somewhere else. If Jose was really concerned about his client and her rights, he would not have opposed the gag order requested by the state...I would hope the judge would take that into consideration.

[MissouriGMom]

Can someone refresh my memory on the date that Casey got her shoulder tattoo? NG said July 6th... but for some reason, that is not the date that I remember. Anyone know, before I stop being lazy and just look up the info myself. LOL

Well, NG said last night that it was July 6th.

moo

Good morning all!

[Tornado]

Can someone refresh my memory on the date that Casey got her shoulder tattoo? NG said July 6th... but for some reason, that is not the date that I remember. Anyone know, before I stop being lazy and just look up the info myself. LOL

Hello Sun ( Dang I miss South Bend) - but I have read July 2 or 3rd. Then KC went back on the 15th to make another appointment for Saturday the 19th to have another. Hope that helps.

[ellegna]

Good morning

Thank you for all the links Desmom. Always appreciated

o/t Ed McMahon passed away

[MissouriGMom]

Can someone refresh my memory on the date that Casey got her shoulder tattoo? NG said July 6th... but for some reason, that is not the date that I remember. Anyone know, before I stop being lazy and just look up the info myself. LOL

Sorry, Sun. I guess I should have read your entire post, instead of just the first sentence.:laugh:
I heard NG say the 6th as well. I'm not very helpful, am I?

[Sun]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sun
Can someone refresh my memory on the date that Casey got her shoulder tattoo? NG said July 6th... but for some reason, that is not the date that I remember. Anyone know, before I stop being lazy and just look up the info myself. LOL


Hello Sun ( Dang I miss South Bend) - but I have read July 2 or 3rd. Then KC went back on the 15th to make another appointment for Saturday the 19th to have another. Hope that helps.

I was thinking that July 6th was the wrong date, because didn't Casey get that tattoo before Tony returned from NY?

[desmom]

Can someone refresh my memory on the date that Casey got her shoulder tattoo? NG said July 6th... but for some reason, that is not the date that I remember. Anyone know, before I stop being lazy and just look up the info myself. LOL

Bobby Williams, Cast Iron Tattoo, completed a tattoo on her left shoulder that read Bella Vita on July 2, 2008 around noon time.

page 189 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3868229/guide-to-casey-anthony-documents-orlando-sentinel

[Tornado]

I took three years of Spanish in college but I have a question to anyone who speaks the language or knows it way better than I do-

Doesn't the "a" at the end of Vita (feminine form of Vidar) make it "Her beautiful life" instead of just Beautiful Life?

[Scampi]

Good morning everyone! I have always believed that once the time arrives, this defense will not want a change of venue because they have consistently seeded Orlando with all their twisted and distorted spin on the evidence.

At any rate, both sides will hire jury consultants who will do surveys
which will reveal the best county for each side.

Still, it's up to the Judge whether everyone will move or if a jury pool
will be brought in to Orlando from another area.

[desmom]

Good morning

Thank you for all the links Desmom. Always appreciated

o/t Ed McMahon passed away

:rose: Ed

[ellegna]

Bobby Williams, Cast Iron Tattoo, completed a tattoo on her left shoulder that read Bella Vita on July 2, 2008 around noon time.

page 189 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3868229/guide-to-casey-anthony-documents-orlando-sentinel

Here's the Greta interview with Cast Iron Staff. July 6th didn't sound right so I went back and watched the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRzCg68Z_yM&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tattoo-lettering.net%2F2009%2F06%2Fcaseys-tattoo-shop-friends%2F&feature=player_embedded

[Sun]

Bobby Williams, Cast Iron Tattoo, completed a tattoo on her left shoulder that read Bella Vita on July 2, 2008 around noon time.

page 189 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3868229/guide-to-casey-anthony-documents-orlando-sentinel

Thank You! I heard NG say July 6th a couple of times last night, and it just didn't seem like the correct date according to my memory... then I began to doubt my memory, for it isn't as sharp as it used to be.

[kitty1182]

Good morning..Thanks Desmom for all the links...:wub:

[desmom]

I took three years of Spanish in college but I have a question to anyone who speaks the language or knows it way better than I do-

Doesn't the "a" at the end of Vita (feminine form of Vidar) make it "Her beautiful life" instead of just Beautiful Life?

Good catch! It is the way I remember it from my high school Spanish from many many moons ago.

o = masculine a = feminine

jmo

[Scampi]

I took three years of Spanish in college but I have a question to anyone who speaks the language or knows it way better than I do-

Doesn't the "a" at the end of Vita (feminine form of Vidar) make it "Her beautiful life" instead of just Beautiful Life?

There has always been confusion about the exact spelling, but I believe it is an Italian phrase. Perhaps denoting her new and exciting "single" life with her new Italian lover, Anthony Lazarro.

[Sun]

Good morning everyone! I have always believed that once the time arrives, this defense will not want a change of venue because they have consistently seeded Orlando with all their twisted and distorted spin on the evidence.

At any rate, both sides will hire jury consultants who will do surveys
which will reveal the best county for each side.

Still, it's up to the Judge whether everyone will move or if a jury pool
will be brought in to Orlando from another area.


That is a very interesting option, and I wonder how the estimated length of the trial may play into this decision.

[Tornado]

Good catch! It is the way I remember it from my high school Spanish from many many moons ago.

o = masculine a = feminine

jmo

Thank you, that is what I was remembering too.

(See Mom I was paying attention) LOL

[ellegna]

I took three years of Spanish in college but I have a question to anyone who speaks the language or knows it way better than I do-

Doesn't the "a" at the end of Vita (feminine form of Vidar) make it "Her beautiful life" instead of just Beautiful Life?

Don't know about Spanish but in Italian "La Bella Vita" means The Beautiful Life.

[Explorer]

Originally Posted by Postergeist
fyi- i'd edit my post quick so as not to get in trouble mentioning the link

i was looking up some old video of what C & G were up too last yr- here's the one where C was telling the story that Caylee was in PR (cuz she'd been sold)

wonder tho who it was that texted Amy?

http://www.necn.com/Boston/Nation/Ca...222439074.html

TY Poster...my bad...duly edited...lol

Unbelievable! It has Anthony fingerprints ALL OVER IT.

[MissouriGMom]

There has always been confusion about the exact spelling, but I believe it is an Italian phrase. Perhaps denoting her new and exciting "single" life with her new Italian lover, Anthony Lazarro.

You're right, Scamp, it is Italian. My hubby speaks Italian, so I'll ask him to splain it when he gets up. (which could be noon) :w00t:

[Explorer]

I found that on last nights thread. Its the first time I saw that. Those wacky anthonys.

[Scampi]

That is a very interesting option, and I wonder how the estimated length of the trial may play into this decision.

Hiya Sunnie, I'm sure it will and in this day and age of
fiscal responsibility it would be cheaper to bring the jury to Orlando then to pay for everyone going elsewhere.

[Explorer]

You're right, Scamp, it is Italian. My hubby speaks Italian, so I'll ask him to splain it when he gets up. (which could be noon) :w00t:

That Tone guy was lucky to get away before it was too late.

[desmom]

Thank you, that is what I was remembering too.

(See Mom I was paying attention) LOL

oops I think we picked the wrong words.

http://en.allexperts.com/q/Italian-Language-1584/italian-language.htm

"bello" as an adjective in the masculine singular
"bella" in the feminine singular

English the adjective “beautiful” does not change endings, in Italian the adjectives must agree in gender (masculine or feminine) with the noun they are associated with.

[Explorer]

All her friends were lucky. That girl ruins lives.

[Scampi]

You're right, Scamp, it is Italian. My hubby speaks Italian, so I'll ask him to splain it when he gets up. (which could be noon) :w00t:

Love those Italianos!! :wub:

Like Ell said, it does mean The Beautiful Life.

Oh, the State will have a field day with the timing and meaning of this tatoo, imo.

[ellegna]

Good morning everyone! I have always believed that once the time arrives, this defense will not want a change of venue because they have consistently seeded Orlando with all their twisted and distorted spin on the evidence.

At any rate, both sides will hire jury consultants who will do surveys
which will reveal the best county for each side.

Still, it's up to the Judge whether everyone will move or if a jury pool
will be brought in to Orlando from another area.

Hi Scamp

my bold
You mean Country eh? :laugh:
With all the talk show interviews George, Cindy and the lot have done, who hasn't nationally or internationally heard of the case?
I was quite surprised how many of my family/friends are following this case and we're in Ontario

[Tornado]

oops I think we picked the wrong words.

http://en.allexperts.com/q/Italian-Language-1584/italian-language.htm

"bello" as an adjective in the masculine singular
"bella" in the feminine singular

English the adjective “beautiful” does not change endings, in Italian the adjectives must agree in gender (masculine or feminine) with the noun they are associated with.

I just think that Spanish is more feasible due to the fact that KC's friends, including TonE, were traveling to PR and it would be so KC to get a spanish tattoo before she went. Just my line of thinking that she got the tattoo just to fit in.

[Ckrdpast]

Hello Sun ( Dang I miss South Bend) - but I have read July 2 or 3rd. Then KC went back on the 15th to make another appointment for Saturday the 19th to have another. Hope that helps.


from http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_timeline2008July.htm

(SUPPLEMENT #7 - INCIDENT REPORT (07/18/08) "Mr. Williams [Bobby Lee Williams] stated he knows Ms. Casey Anthony from coming into the tattoo shop and getting tattoos. He is a tattoo artist and he completed a tattoo on her left shoulder that read "Bella Vida" on 2 July 2008 around noon time. This took approximately 30 minutes to complete. While she was there they talked about a new guy she had just started dating. The guy wasn't at the shop and she informed him the guy was in New York at a Yankees baseball game"

[GIGI4256]

Question: Why is Tony L. referred to as "TONE?"

[Explorer]

Question: Why is Tony L. referred to as "TONE?"

His stage name he is a DJ

[bchand]

Don't know about Spanish but in Italian "La Bella Vita" means The Beautiful Life.

Odd - I checked it on babel fish.

In Italian it means The Beautiful Life
In Spanish - The Beautiful Bollard

(What the heck is a bollard?)

[Mairi II]

Good morning! :) I haven't been here to speak of since the autopsy report was released - so I'm sure what I'm about to ask has been covered. My apologies in advance.

What was the consensus of opinion on the fact the heart shaped sticker was not in the report? (Or did I miss it?) It didn't exist? If that's the case, how in the world does stuff like that get started. Sheesh.

[Rapunzel]

It is simply unbelievable that anyone could muse that the autopsy of poor little Caylee shows no proof of homocide. The duct tape alone does that. There would be no need to do such a thing post mortem if it was an accident. And I also believe the theory that the body was put there after Casey was in custody is out the window, because of the roots growing up through the bones.

I know the defense team has to say something to mitigate this stuff, but they just sound silly now.

Oh right...whenever a person dies of natural causes it is perfectly normal not to contact anyone, put duct tape over their nose and mouth, triple bag them and throw them in the woods...doesn't everyone do that?
Gezzz people...do I have to tell you everything!:biggrin:

[MissouriGMom]

Odd - I checked it on babel fish.

In Italian it means The Beautiful Life
In Spanish - The Beautiful Bollard

(What the heck is a bollard?)

I don't know what a bollard is, but bella vita is Italian and bella vida is Spanish. Does her tat say vita or vida? :confused:

[Scampi]

from http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_timeline2008July.htm

(SUPPLEMENT #7 - INCIDENT REPORT (07/18/08) "Mr. Williams [Bobby Lee Williams] stated he knows Ms. Casey Anthony from coming into the tattoo shop and getting tattoos. He is a tattoo artist and he completed a tattoo on her left shoulder that read "Bella Vida" on 2 July 2008 around noon time. This took approximately 30 minutes to complete. While she was there they talked about a new guy she had just started dating. The guy wasn't at the shop and she informed him the guy was in New York at a Yankees baseball game"

This is where the confusion comes in, imo. Yesterday someone posted a very clear actual picture of the tatoo on her and it was written in script and said "La Bella Vita."

BTW Tornado, TonE did not go to PR, he went to New York, his hometown, for a visit.

[desmom]

Originally Posted by Postergeist
fyi- i'd edit my post quick so as not to get in trouble mentioning the link

i was looking up some old video of what C & G were up too last yr- here's the one where C was telling the story that Caylee was in PR (cuz she'd been sold)

wonder tho who it was that texted Amy?

http://www.necn.com/Boston/Nation/Ca...222439074.html

TY Poster...my bad...duly edited...lol

Unbelievable! It has Anthony fingerprints ALL OVER IT.


The text messages to Amy are on pages 55 & 56 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1677908/Amy-Huzienga-Cell-Records-Part-2

http://cayleeanthony.weebly.com/ has the message coming from Jesse. IIRC, at that time he was heavily involved with the A's and had not figured out they were secretly throwing him under the bus.

jmo

[Sun]

from http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_timeline2008July.htm

(SUPPLEMENT #7 - INCIDENT REPORT (07/18/08) "Mr. Williams [Bobby Lee Williams] stated he knows Ms. Casey Anthony from coming into the tattoo shop and getting tattoos. He is a tattoo artist and he completed a tattoo on her left shoulder that read "Bella Vida" on 2 July 2008 around noon time. This took approximately 30 minutes to complete. While she was there they talked about a new guy she had just started dating. The guy wasn't at the shop and she informed him the guy was in New York at a Yankees baseball game"

I'm not sure if I've ever heard it mentioned, whether Casey came into the shop "alone" on July 2. I know it was said that she had in the past come into the shop with a group of friends.... so my question is: Did she have any friends with her on July 2? Did she pay cash for the tattoo? How much? These are all questions that I have.

[Explorer]

The text messages to Amy are on pages 55 & 56 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1677908/Amy-Huzienga-Cell-Records-Part-2

http://cayleeanthony.weebly.com/ has the message coming from Jesse. IIRC, at that time he was heavily involved with the A's and had not figured out they were secretly throwing him under the bus.

jmo

Thanks Desmom. My link didnt work. I brought it over from lasts nights thread. I was sitting here agoniziing ovet it but you saved me!

[Rapunzel]

Good catch! It is the way I remember it from my high school Spanish from many many moons ago.

o = masculine a = feminine

jmo

I believe it is Italian and it means beautiful life.

[MissouriGMom]

This is where the confusion comes in, imo. Yesterday someone posted a very clear actual picture of the tatoo on her and it was written in script and said "La Bella Vita."

BTW Tornado, TonE did not go to PR, he went to New York, his hometown, for a visit.


Thanks for clearing this up for me. I thought I was losing it this morning. What a mess this case is!

[desmom]

I just think that Spanish is more feasible due to the fact that KC's friends, including TonE, were traveling to PR and it would be so KC to get a spanish tattoo before she went. Just my line of thinking that she got the tattoo just to fit in.

Tone didn't go to PR.

Amy, Ricardo, Troy and I think JP went to PR.

jmo

[Tornado]

I don't know what a bollard is, but bella vita is Italian and bella vida is Spanish. Does her tat say vita or vida? :confused:

Police report states "Vida"-

[Explorer]

The text messages to Amy are on pages 55 & 56 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1677908/Amy-Huzienga-Cell-Records-Part-2

http://cayleeanthony.weebly.com/ has the message coming from Jesse. IIRC, at that time he was heavily involved with the A's and had not figured out they were secretly throwing him under the bus.

jmo

So that message came from Jesse?

[Tornado]

Tone didn't go to PR.

Amy, Ricardo, Troy and I think JP went to PR.

jmo

Sorry I was thinking about Troy not TonE when I said it. Thanks for keeping me straight. :biggrin:

[desmom]

Thanks to all that answered the translation questions. As you can tell not only is my h.s. Spanish rusty, I did not do well in the class. :D

[MissouriGMom]

Police report states "Vida"-

Maybe this is why they want a photo of it. LE isn't sure either. :scared:

[ellegna]

Tone didn't go to PR.

Amy, Ricardo, Troy and I think JP went to PR.

jmo

IIRC wasn't TonE in NY around that same time?

[Tornado]

Maybe this is why they want a photo of it. LE isn't sure either. :scared:

Well Lord knows the A's and KC have a picture of every other dang thing she has done, you would think a picture would have been the first thing she posted on her MS and Facebook.

Guess we will have to wait and see what happens.

[Explorer]

Ill bet all the parents of casey anthonys friends are just sick over all of this.

[Scampi]

Maybe this is why they want a photo of it. LE isn't sure either. :scared:

Brilliant!! Bet you're right Ma! :thumbsup:

[101Spots]

Odd - I checked it on babel fish.

In Italian it means The Beautiful Life
In Spanish - The Beautiful Bollard

(What the heck is a bollard?)

bollard n., a short, thick post on the deck of a ship or on a wharf, to which the ship's rope may be secured.

I'm guessing the Italian version is the one she was after.

[101Spots]

I don't know what a bollard is, but bella vita is Italian and bella vida is Spanish. Does her tat say vita or vida? :confused:

I remember (vaguely) some discussion earlier that the tattoo was misspelled, if she meant to have the Italian version. Should have been a t, ended up a d, or vice-versa.

[Rapunzel]

Maybe this is why they want a photo of it. LE isn't sure either. :scared:


They had the drawing of the tattoo on NG last night from Cast Iron Tattoo and it said Belle Vita

[num1barb]

bollard n., a short, thick post on the deck of a ship or on a wharf, to which the ship's rope may be secured.

I'm guessing the Italian version is the one she was after.

I'm in construction, and a bollard is also those thick poles that surround ATM machines, gas pumps, etc. to keep cars from hitting them.

ETA: good morning everyone :)

[jammies]

I don't believe that anybody who knew the anthonys MO at the time EVER believed that this was ever a genuine suicide attempt.

I believe that it was a distraction to give the rest of the camp time to complete one of their dastardly deeds in their continued efforts to cover up the original crimeS.....and to preserve what they THOUGHT was their good image and also to make people pity them....to feel as if they were just innocent hurting human beings like normal people would be...


I have no doubt that they hurt and feel.....but actions have consequences.....and sometimes one just has to roll with it and PAY for their playing or earlier indiscretions(however you want to put it).



George is a scam artist. Everything he does/says seems fake to me. His little performance in court the other day was over the top. Both Cindy and GA are too stupid to realize that their over dramatic schtick is old and worn out.

With all the money they have rolling in they ought to spend some on acting lessons. :rolleyes:

[num1barb]

I remember (vaguely) some discussion earlier that the tattoo was misspelled, if she meant to have the Italian version. Should have been a t, ended up a d, or vice-versa.

I remember hearing that, too spots. Don't have a link, so MOO.

[desmom]

So that message came from Jesse?

Jesse's phone number sent these messages:

you guys keep your ticket stubs? at 9:40 a.m. on 7/22

and

Just might come up. Dont lave to be a genius to realize that county will ask you guys if you have proof you flew out of down while Cay lee was missing" at 10:21 a.m. on 7/22

pages 55 - 56 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1677908/Amy-Huzienga-Cell-Records-Part-2

(note spelling errors are not mine, but the author of the text message)

[CelticDawn]

George is a scam artist. Everything he does/says seems fake to me. His little performance in court the other day was over the top. Both Cindy and GA are too stupid to realize that their over dramatic schtick is old and worn out.

With all the money they have rolling in they ought to spend some on acting lessons. :rolleyes:

my Aunt who is into theatre and does some amateur writing turned me on to the term "Whited Sephulcre"....I had to look it up but it FITS these people to a tee.


whit·ed sepulcher (hwtd, w-)
n.
An evil person who pretends to be holy or good; a hypocrite.
[From the simile applied by Jesus to hypocrites as exemplified by some scribes and Pharisees (Matthew 23:27).]

[BANJO GRANNY]

As I remember he was saying the nurse told someone that George told her he didn't take any pills. Because of confidentiality issues we will probably never hear from the nurse directly. It fits with the evidence. There was never any evidence of George taking any pills. He left Cindy's orbit for a few hours of peace and some beer and a good local pizza. Who could blame him?

Here is video of Kathi Belich sparring with Baez :drool: after Friday's hearing http://www.wftv.com/video/19802341/index.html He needs a few :punch:

I don't think George or Cindy either one has ever tried to kill themselves, IMO it was to get attention and more dollars.
IMO they love themselves to much to harm themselves.

And who would go to kill themselves with beer and pizza.
If I was going to do it, I would at least take a steak and some Jack Daniels




:rose:FOR CAYLEE THERE WILL BE JUSTICE FOR YOU SOON SWEETIE

[Unleashed]

Order of the Whited Sephulcre.
( Hope doesn''t Spring eternally)

Now That would make a good title for a Horror/Fantasy/Crime Novel all rolled into one hellish genre.


What do you all think?



Oh....and Good Morning.....Late and busy night last night....may as well not even try to go to bed until tonight now.

Morning all. :seeya:

CD, that is way too deep a question to ask at this time of day. Could you ask again after I've had coffee?
Thanks.

JMO

[trich]

Brilliant!! Bet you're right Ma! :thumbsup:
I agree...here we all have been wondering why LE wants a picture of the tattoo and here is the answer.
Really simple when you think about it.
Considering that one letter might make a difference on the true meaning.
Having a picture of the one on her certainly will tell .
Guess that is going to be explained in some Bizarre(Baez) talk.:tonguewag:

[CelticDawn]

Good morning everyone! I have always believed that once the time arrives, this defense will not want a change of venue because they have consistently seeded Orlando with all their twisted and distorted spin on the evidence.

At any rate, both sides will hire jury consultants who will do surveys
which will reveal the best county for each side.

Still, it's up to the Judge whether everyone will move or if a jury pool
will be brought in to Orlando from another area.

Hey Scampi


Dumb question....


If there is a COV...and a jury is brought into Orlando for the trial.....what makes it necessary that all the jurors come from the same area?.....seems that they could use jurors from anywhere (logistically feasable) in the state in that case...Theyre going to be paying for room and board during the trial anyway.

[jammies]

my Aunt who is into theatre and does some amateur writing turned me on to the term "Whited Sephulcre"....I had to look it up but it FITS these people to a tee.


whit·ed sepulcher (hwtd, w-)
n.
An evil person who pretends to be holy or good; a hypocrite.
[From the simile applied by Jesus to hypocrites as exemplified by some scribes and Pharisees (Matthew 23:27).]



It sure does, celt! Your aunt is right on the money. (does she give acting lessons? lol)

[Explorer]

Jesse's phone number sent these messages:

you guys keep your ticket stubs? at 9:40 a.m. on 7/22

and

Just might come up. Dont lave to be a genius to realize that county will ask you guys if you have proof you flew out of down while Cay lee was missing" at 10:21 a.m. on 7/22

pages 55 - 56 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1677908/Amy-Huzienga-Cell-Records-Part-2

(note spelling errors are not mine, but the author of the text message)

Thanks Desmom. So jesse was just telling them to have proof of where they were?

[Scampi]

Hey Scampi


Dumb question....


If there is a COV...and a jury is brought into Orlando for the trial.....what makes it necessary that all the jurors come from the same area?.....seems that they could use jurors from anywhere (logistically feasable) in the state in that case...Theyre going to be paying for room and board during the trial anyway.

Hiya Cel! Good question, maybe they all come from the same area because it's easier to pick them up and bus them to Orlando?

[CelticDawn]

It sure does, celt! Your aunt is right on the money. (does she give acting lessons? lol)

I think the members of the Order of the whited sephulcre are beyond help....cant act....always letting their true selves come through....<there goes that pesky old T WORD>

[ellegna]

I don't think George or Cindy either one has ever tried to kill themselves, IMO it was to get attention and more dollars.
IMO they love themselves to much to harm themselves.

And who would go to kill themselves with beer and pizza.
If I was going to do it, I would at least take a steak and some Jack Daniels



:rose:FOR CAYLEE THERE WILL BE JUSTICE FOR YOU SOON SWEETIE

Watching George get into the police cruiser as oppose to an ambulance had me thinking he did not take all those pills. Whether he took those pills or not, as a medical precaution, George should have been rushed to the hospital by ambulance.

Was he Baker Acted at the motel or at the hospital?

[CelticDawn]

Im having a flashback to Laci and conner Rocha (I dont refer to them by their killers name).....mainly because I am buying first time school uniforms for my twoyoungest boys.(we're going to TRY a new Montessori school)........and if Conner was here, he would probably be as excited about a new school next year as mine are!!!

[101Spots]

I agree...here we all have been wondering why LE wants a picture of the tattoo and here is the answer.
Really simple when you think about it.
Considering that one letter might make a difference on the true meaning.
Having a picture of the one on her certainly will tell .
Guess that is going to be explained in some Bizarre(Baez) talk.:tonguewag:

Bozo will blame the tat guy for the misspelling. Regardless, Casey must have been too stoopid to correct him if that was the case. I don't envision a whole lot of IQ points floating around a tat parlor.

[CelticDawn]

Watching George get into the police cruiser as oppose to an ambulance had me thinking he did not take all those pills. Whether he took those pills or not, as a medical precaution, George should have been rushed to the hospital by ambulance.

Was he Baker Acted at the motel or at the hospital?



Another dumb question:


If someone in that state is Baker acted and later it is found out ....because they ADMITTED it to medical personnel that NOTHING WAS EVER WRONG WITH THEM ....the taxpayers have paid for all of their drama.....to me this is defrauding the state too.....so WHY cant they be charged with defrauding the state???.....and since the whole medical emergency was a FAKE then why should doctor-patient confidentiality even come into play???????


I hope that made sense.

[Rapunzel]

Bozo will blame the tat guy for the misspelling. Regardless, Casey must have been too stoopid to correct him if that was the case. I don't envision a whole lot of IQ points floating around a tat parlor.

I agree with the IQ thingy, but I guess I assumed that KC brought in what she wanted or approved the drawing before she was inked...of course she doesn't even have a high school diploma, so who knows???

[jammies]

George is a drama queen. He tries to be a scam artist, but just can't quite put it over. Did you notice how the tears were suddenly shut off when he was asked about his many TV appearances?

I wonder how it is that when George and Cindy do something like the Morgan depositions, they can't control themselves. Don't they know that the tape will be shown to the public and their act as "Grieving grandparents" is blown? I'd like the pic of Cindy waving from the racing car a couple of weeks ago to end up on TV. I'd send it to NG, but my computer is all mixed up and I can't right now. Got to have it fixed.

Lord, I hope the money isn't rolling in, but there are a lot of gullible people in this country who can't tell a scam from their foot.



Oh that Morgan depo! Cindy out of control and GA with his fake outrage over "remains". No outrage at their daughter. No outrage at what they already knew from the autopsy. No outrage over Caylee being actually MURDERED!
Seems the actual MURDER of their grand-daughter isn't what upsets them. They both pick odd little phrases/words to GO OFF on. Just bizarre and IMO as fake as it gets. Always threatening to kill themselves, have a trantrum, lose control if things don't go their way. THis is when if I were the prosecutor in trial or attorney in depo would keep pushing. Sometimes when pushed to the limit a bit of truth might come out.

Guess it just bothers me when everyone falls for their pseudo outrage and pulls back to accomadate their need for control and juvenile behavior.

[desmom]

Thanks Desmom. So jesse was just telling them to have proof of where they were?

That is what I think. During that lst week or so, Casey's friends gathered at the A's and tried to do a time line of events. I believe it was after the lst vigil and when Cindy focused on them.

Remember Cindy told LE in her interview on 8/04 that Amy, Ricardo and Tone are all into drugs, Tone and Ricardo go way back and they have the money and means, has connections, has a way to make people disappear. pages 45 -46 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/cynthia%20anthony.pdf

(IMO, Cindy watches to many crime/cop shows)

I think Jesse figured out the A's were going to go after all of Casey's friends and blame them for Caylee's disappearance.

jmo

[Unleashed]

Hi Scamp

my bold
You mean Country eh? :laugh:
With all the talk show interviews George, Cindy and the lot have done, who hasn't nationally or internationally heard of the case?
I was quite surprised how many of my family/friends are following this case and we're in Ontario


I've already alerted the border guards. They're NOT coming here!!!

jmo

[Rapunzel]

Oh that Morgan depo! Cindy out of control and GA with his fake outrage over "remains". No outrage at their daughter. No outrage at what they already knew from the autopsy. No outrage over Caylee being actually MURDERED!
Seems the actual MURDER of their grand-daughter isn't what upsets them. They both pick odd little phrases/words to GO OFF on. Just bizarre and IMO as fake as it gets. Always threatening to kill themselves, have a trantrum, lose control if things don't go their way. THis is when if I were the prosecutor in trial or attorney in depo would keep pushing. Sometimes when pushed to the limit a bit of truth might come out.

Guess it just bothers me when everyone falls for their pseudo outrage and pulls back to accomadate their need for control and juvenile behavior.

And they blame everyone else for the position they are in...including M&M when George blamed people like M&M for their pain and George said something like...and you just don't care!!!

[Scampi]

That is what I think. During that lst week or so, Casey's friends gathered at the A's and tried to do a time line of events. I believe it was after the lst vigil and when Cindy focused on them.

Remember Cindy told LE in her interview on 8/04 that Amy, Ricardo and Tone are all into drugs, Tone and Ricardo go way back and they have the money and means, has connections, has a way to make people disappear. pages 45 -46 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/cynthia%20anthony.pdf

(IMO, Cindy watches to many crime/cop shows)

I think Jesse figured out the A's were going to go after all of Casey's friends and blame them for Caylee's disappearance.

jmo


You know when you stop and think about this, it truly is hideous behavior on the part of the anthonys. Here we have all these kids trying to help by giving an honest timeline and cindy takes that information and tries to implicate them with it. Just outrageous, imo.

If a son or daughter of mine was involved in this nightmare, God help the anthonys. :cuss:

[ellegna]

Another dumb question:


If someone in that state is Baker acted and later it is found out ....because they ADMITTED it to medical personnel that NOTHING WAS EVER WRONG WITH THEM ....the taxpayers have paid for all of their drama.....to me this is defrauding the state too.....so WHY cant they be charged with defrauding the state???.....and since the whole medical emergency was a FAKE then why should doctor-patient confidentiality even come into play???????


I hope that made sense.

That's a very good point.
I have a feeling LE and FBI are not done with the A's. Something is brewing and they are keeping very quiet so not to give the A's or BC heads up to prepare. It's going to boil down to perfect timing. JMHO

[msgatorslayer]

Hiya Cel! Good question, maybe they all come from the same area because it's easier to pick them up and bus them to Orlando?

Yes, plus the initial costs associated with sending out jury summons and questioning potential jurors. If you start multiplying that by numerous counties, it gets quite expensive.

G'morning, everyone!!:smile:

[*MoonRider*]

Good morning! :) I haven't been here to speak of since the autopsy report was released - so I'm sure what I'm about to ask has been covered. My apologies in advance.

What was the consensus of opinion on the fact the heart shaped sticker was not in the report? (Or did I miss it?) It didn't exist? If that's the case, how in the world does stuff like that get started. Sheesh.
http://www.wftv.com/news/18530424/detail.html
Docs released 1/21/09 Page 14 of 18
While processing the duct tape at the FBI lab in Quantico, the latent print unit noticed residue in the perfect shape of a heart. The heart was not hand drawn and residue appeared to be consistent with the adhesive side of a heart shaped sticker. It appears that the sticker was put on the duct tape intentionally. In the search area, Investigators located a small heart shaped sticker similar in size to the residue found on the duct tape.

[desmom]

You know when you stop and think about this, it truly is hideous behavior on the part of the anthonys. Here we have all these kids trying to help by giving an honest timeline and cindy takes that information and tries to implicate them with it. Just outrageous, imo.

If a son or daughter of mine was involved in this nightmare, God help the anthonys. :cuss:


I agree Scampi.

I am sure the last these kids wanted to do was go to the A's and discuss all their activities for the past 30 days. Kudos to all of them for stepping up and trying to help.

And for Cindy to set in LE interviews and spew her garbage about they are all into drugs and have connections to make people disappear..... :cursing:

jmo

[jammies]

Another dumb question:


If someone in that state is Baker acted and later it is found out ....because they ADMITTED it to medical personnel that NOTHING WAS EVER WRONG WITH THEM ....the taxpayers have paid for all of their drama.....to me this is defrauding the state too.....so WHY cant they be charged with defrauding the state???.....and since the whole medical emergency was a FAKE then why should doctor-patient confidentiality even come into play???????


I hope that made sense.


It's NOT a dumb question. I was wondering the same.
I suppose if he THREATENED to off himself even though he didn't actually take any pills, that would come into consideration?

If so, then Cindy claiming to write suicide notes TOO should have put her in the loony bin also. (oh, what an image!)

[kanzz]

Another dumb question:


If someone in that state is Baker acted and later it is found out ....because they ADMITTED it to medical personnel that NOTHING WAS EVER WRONG WITH THEM ....the taxpayers have paid for all of their drama.....to me this is defrauding the state too.....so WHY cant they be charged with defrauding the state???.....and since the whole medical emergency was a FAKE then why should doctor-patient confidentiality even come into play???????


I hope that made sense.


Yes, it makes sense. The thing is - whether or not he admitted to taking pills, they probably should have used EMS. Those who want to die might not admit they OD'd. This is viewed as a suicide overture and there is something wrong with someone who would do such a thing. So, he may think he was faking, but he's still a psych case.

[jammies]

And they blame everyone else for the position they are in...including M&M when George blamed people like M&M for their pain and George said something like...and you just don't care!!!


THey sound just like spoiled children. "You JUST DON'T CARE!!" "YOU ARE NOT THE BOSS OF ME!!"

I imagine a lot of slamming doors at the A house.


(we had metal doors in our house growing up. Dang, those doors when slammed would rattle the entire house!)

[Unleashed]

Another dumb question:


If someone in that state is Baker acted and later it is found out ....because they ADMITTED it to medical personnel that NOTHING WAS EVER WRONG WITH THEM ....the taxpayers have paid for all of their drama.....to me this is defrauding the state too.....so WHY cant they be charged with defrauding the state???.....and since the whole medical emergency was a FAKE then why should doctor-patient confidentiality even come into play???????


I hope that made sense.

Not a dumb question at all, CD. We had a rather heated debate at my house last night about the same subject!
We (eventually) agreed that medical records are medical records, period, and even if it was a fake, it shows his mental condition, so is private.
But that's just us, I'm sure there are other ideas out there!


JMO

[CelticDawn]

I agree Scampi.

I am sure the last these kids wanted to do was go to the A's and discuss all their activities for the past 30 days. Kudos to all of them for stepping up and trying to help.

And for Cindy to set in LE interviews and spew her garbage about they are all into drugs and have connections to make people disappear..... :cursing:

jmo

Too much LOW-RATED TV wannabe cop shows.....They actually THINK that things work like they do on those shows.....If only they knew



Oh...and the remark george made obout M&M "just dont care" WELL Im sure that the KIDS they have maligned and villified in caylees "disappearance" feel like THEY just dont care.



I try REALLY HARD and refuse to hate anybody or wish bad things on anybody but these people NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE just like YOU OR I WOULD BE.....they disgust me

[msgatorslayer]

You know when you stop and think about this, it truly is hideous behavior on the part of the anthonys. Here we have all these kids trying to help by giving an honest timeline and cindy takes that information and tries to implicate them with it. Just outrageous, imo.

If a son or daughter of mine was involved in this nightmare, God help the anthonys. :cuss:

ITA - They were already aware that their activities would be questioned, just being friends with Casey. It is evident in the text message Des posted up stream. Thankfully, some of them were in PR and could prove it.

IMO, Cindy can come up with all kinds of scenerios to implicate someone besides her Daughter but none of them pass the smell test. The most important thing is that Casey didn't name any of her real friends as the person who took Caylee.

She named a name. A nanny that she's known for years. She gave additional family names. Addresses. Even cell phone plans for Zanny. That cannot be taken back.

[CelticDawn]

Not a dumb question at all, CD. We had a rather heated debate at my house last night about the same subject!
We (eventually) agreed that medical records are medical records, period, and even if it was a fake, it shows his mental condition, so is private.
But that's just us, I'm sure there are other ideas out there!


JMO

the reason I am thinking along the lines of tossing the confidentiality thing is that my SO is in LE (as well as several other family members) and there is a law here that crimminalizes "doctor shopping"....Now this has to do with drug seekers and addicts and people that get the drugs just to sell them on the street....but it IS still fraud....and their confidentiality is thrown out the window in these cases.....seems like committing a crimminal act could nullify some of this in this case too.

[Tia]

I hope we hear more about this and it doesn't get lost in all the other issues. Never believed for one minute that he had actually attempted. I would like to know how Mark Williams learned this - from whom.

Don't forget Cindy "thought about it too"!!! :rolleyes:

So it was all for attention? Or at least thats what I am gathering.....

[Tia]

That Tone guy was lucky to get away before it was too late.


I have often wondered why Casey and the rest of the Anthony's didn't try to implicate him like they have done with everyone else.

[jammies]

I have often wondered why Casey and the rest of the Anthony's didn't try to implicate him like they have done with everyone else.


Hi Tia! Maybe they have implicated him. If not......give it time.

[sofiesmom]

Oh right...whenever a person dies of natural causes it is perfectly normal not to contact anyone, put duct tape over their nose and mouth, triple bag them and throw them in the woods...doesn't everyone do that?
Gezzz people...do I have to tell you everything!:biggrin:I very rarely literally LOL, but this post has me doing just that. I feel bad finding humor in this tragedy, but Rapunzel's irony and sarcasm hit my wierd sense of humor.

[Rapunzel]

And this statement by George during the autopsy hearing...

"This last year has been an emotional strain for our entire family," said George. "The protection of our family's rights and privacy and emotional well-being, has been tossed aside over and over again."

What about Caylee's rights.
George when did you or Cindy ever look for Caylee???
Why have you and Cindy lied over and over again...was that to help catch the "real killer"?

Nut jobs...all of them!!!:cursing:

[trich]

Thanks Desmom. So jesse was just telling them to have proof of where they were?

Excuse me for being dumb.
But what is suppose to have happened on 7/22 at that time that they should all have proof of where they were?
I think maybe I have missed something.

[Steps]

Ill bet all the parents of casey anthonys friends are just sick over all of this.

I agree, Explorer. Can you imagine the families of the kids that are in the pictures of Casey while she was doing all of her partying. They have to be embarrassed that their faces are appearing all over the news.

[101Spots]

I have often wondered why Casey and the rest of the Anthony's didn't try to implicate him like they have done with everyone else.

Because Casey was in lust with him, George didn't know him, and Cindy already had a "thing" for Jesse. Pin the tail on the ex.

[Tia]

Hi Tia! Maybe they have implicated him. If not......give it time.

Hi!

Nah, I think Casey really liked him and would have ripped Cindy's face off if she said anything about her TonE!

It seemed like Casey was changing her whole persona for TonE. Even the Tattoo being in Italian. She seems the type that molds herself to be whatever her current friend or boyfriend wants. Like Gumby.

[msgatorslayer]

Because Casey was in lust with him, George didn't know him, and Cindy already had a "thing" for Jesse. Pin the tail on the ex.

Yup!:thumbsup:

"Pin the tail on the ex" :laugh:

[Mairi II]

http://www.wftv.com/news/18530424/detail.html
Docs released 1/21/09 Page 14 of 18
While processing the duct tape at the FBI lab in Quantico, the latent print unit noticed residue in the perfect shape of a heart. The heart was not hand drawn and residue appeared to be consistent with the adhesive side of a heart shaped sticker. It appears that the sticker was put on the duct tape intentionally. In the search area, Investigators located a small heart shaped sticker similar in size to the residue found on the duct tape.

Thank you, MoonRider! Much appreciated. :)

[desmom]

I have often wondered why Casey and the rest of the Anthony's didn't try to implicate him like they have done with everyone else.

I think Cindy tried when she told LE Ricardo and Tone have a history together and friends with connections.

George had a few words about Tone also. page 13 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Anthony%20%20George0724.pdf

I've never met this Tony. I don't want to meet this Tony because I'm afraid I'm going to bite into this Tony. I, I, I don't want to see the man...I don't want to see him. I'm, I'm, I'm staying out of it. I'm not doing anything stupid. I'm concentrating on fliers and media stuff that...

I never understood why George didn't want to meet Tone and why George was afraid he was "going to bite into this Tony".

Maybe George was trying out his big boy pants. :shrug:

jmo

[CelticDawn]

I have often wondered why Casey and the rest of the Anthony's didn't try to implicate him like they have done with everyone else.

They live in some kind of mysterious cop underworld TV land and tony being Italian American and from New York they may have actually believed that he could have dumped the whole pack of them in the Meadowlands if they had brought any heat down on them :lol:

[101Spots]

I think Cindy tried when she told LE Ricardo and Tone have a history together and friends with connections.

George had a few words about Tone also. page 13 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Anthony%20%20George0724.pdf

I've never met this Tony. I don't want to meet this Tony because I'm afraid I'm going to bite into this Tony. I, I, I don't want to see the man...I don't want to see him. I'm, I'm, I'm staying out of it. I'm not doing anything stupid. I'm concentrating on fliers and media stuff that...

I never understood why George didn't want to meet Tone and why George was afraid he was "going to bite into this Tony".

Maybe George was trying out his big boy pants. :shrug:

jmo

Nope, just drooling over a few ads for them. Cindy will let him look, but he can't buy.

[101Spots]

They live in some kind of mysterious cop underworld TV land and tony being Italian American and from New York they may have actually believed that he could have dumped the whole pack of them in the Meadowlands if they had brought any heat down on them :lol:

Wasn't the new Yankee stadium under construction about this time? :sneaky:

[desmom]

Excuse me for being dumb.
But what is suppose to have happened on 7/22 at that time that they should all have proof of where they were?
I think maybe I have missed something.

Nothing happened on 7/22. The text was sent on 7/22. Jesse was asking if they had saved their ticket stubs to show they did go to PR.

IMO, Jesse spent a lot times with the A's the lst week or so after Caylee was reported missing. He probably overheard Cindy and/or George discussing Casey's friends going to PR July 8 - 15, wondering why they all had separate flights and "one of them took Caylee to PR" scenarios.

[Sun]

And this statement by George during the autopsy hearing...

"This last year has been an emotional strain for our entire family," said George. "The protection of our family's rights and privacy and emotional well-being, has been tossed aside over and over again."

What about Caylee's rights.
George when did you or Cindy ever look for Caylee???
Why have you and Cindy lied over and over again...was that to help catch the "real killer"?

Nut jobs...all of them!!!:cursing:

Methinks that George needs to "man up" and take responsibility for his own emotional well-being. Instead of blaming everyone else.

[desmom]

They live in some kind of mysterious cop underworld TV land and tony being Italian American and from New York they may have actually believed that he could have dumped the whole pack of them in the Meadowlands if they had brought any heat down on them :lol:

Bingo! :tonguewag:

[Sun]

http://www.forthepeople.com/Resp_to_Caseys_Motion_to_Strike_Pltfs_Motion_for_C ontempt.pdf

I see that Morgan/Mitnik are actively working to make progress in the Civil Case. I keep hoping that they will get a trial date soon, so that Judge Rodriguez can rule on the Motions to Compel the Anthonys to answer questions. I really, really want to see Conway in court that day, facing Judge Rodriguez.

[Tia]

They live in some kind of mysterious cop underworld TV land and tony being Italian American and from New York they may have actually believed that he could have dumped the whole pack of them in the Meadowlands if they had brought any heat down on them :lol:


I wouldn't be surprised if the Ant's really DID think that!!

[Unleashed]

the reason I am thinking along the lines of tossing the confidentiality thing is that my SO is in LE (as well as several other family members) and there is a law here that crimminalizes "doctor shopping"....Now this has to do with drug seekers and addicts and people that get the drugs just to sell them on the street....but it IS still fraud....and their confidentiality is thrown out the window in these cases.....seems like committing a crimminal act could nullify some of this in this case too.

I think the first, and probably biggest, hurdle to get over would be getting the nurse to admit she actually said that. IIRC, she was not identified by NG, and while I don't doubt that NG knows who she is, I don't think she would reveal her source if it could get her (the nurse) fired.

JMO

[summer]

The NG transcripts are not posted yet. Did anyone catch what Mark Williams said at the end when he was talking about George and his supposed suicide attempt? It was something that George confided in a nurse about his "attempt".

Thanks and good morning.

imp

Hiya! I just got here so maybe this has been answered but I wonder how this all came down. Did this nurse break confidentiality and leak the info? Did she do an interview with Mark Williams? The National Enquirer? Who?

Or did George tell someone himself?

How did this get out and why is Mark Williams the only one to know?

I can't get a handle on this at all! :ohmy:

[CelticDawn]

I think the first, and probably biggest, hurdle to get over would be getting the nurse to admit she actually said that. IIRC, she was not identified by NG, and while I don't doubt that NG knows who she is, I don't think she would reveal her source if it could get her (the nurse) fired.

JMO

that is very true, and she could probably kiss her career goodbye if she did.


The ONLY way a healthcare provider could even remotely come through something like that unscathed would be if he or she had DIRECT testimony and proof to a MURDER itself.....not just some overprotective parents going off the deep end to try and distract investigators from their homicidal phsycopathic daughter.

[Jester]

Have we figured out what this means?

"MELANIE: Nancy, I just want to comment. I wanted to tell you what a beautiful person you are. And please just don`t cry because myself, I`m also very emotional. But my question is, is George Anthony -- is he still seeking professional help?

GRACE: I don`t know. What do you know about that, Mark Williams?

MARK WILLIAMS, NEWS DIRECTOR, WNDB NEWSTALK 1150: Well, you know Nancy, earlier this year he was found at a Daytona Beach hotel room after allegedly taking an overdose of prescription drugs.

However, my sources told me that never took place. He allegedly told a nurse at the Halifax Medical Center that he didn`t do it. And if he did it, it was for attention. As you know, medical records in the state of Florida are pretty much sealed.

We understand initially he was getting help. We do not know, Nancy, if he is still getting that help."

June 22 Transcrips NG
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/22/ng.01.html

[Rapunzel]

that is very true, and she could probably kiss her career goodbye if she did.


The ONLY way a healthcare provider could even remotely come through something like that unscathed would be if he or she had DIRECT testimony and proof to a MURDER itself.....not just some overprotective parents going off the deep end to try and distract investigators from their homicidal phsycopathic daughter.


Maybe they promised her a night at the Ritz and crab puffs...hey people are likely to do anything for that!

[Unleashed]

Nope, just drooling over a few ads for them. Cindy will let him look, but he can't buy.

They wouldn't fit anyway. Too uncomfortable.


JMO

[summer]

Because Casey was in lust with him, George didn't know him, and Cindy already had a "thing" for Jesse. Pin the tail on the ex.

Also because Casey the CEO told Cindy in the jail convo that Tony had nothing to do with it. To Cindy's way of thinking that put Tony out of the picture.

[Deannalynn]

Yup!:thumbsup:

"Pin the tail on the ex" :laugh:

Casey was very lucky for someone who was so permiscuous. Both Jesse and TonE were really fond of her. Altho they never knew just how "open" to a new relationship she was. Should have known from the get go. I'm sure she hopped in the bed the first time out with both of them.
She probably told them she was a born again virgin.:sneaky:
JMO

[desmom]

Have we figured out what this means?

"MELANIE: Nancy, I just want to comment. I wanted to tell you what a beautiful person you are. And please just don`t cry because myself, I`m also very emotional. But my question is, is George Anthony -- is he still seeking professional help?

GRACE: I don`t know. What do you know about that, Mark Williams?

MARK WILLIAMS, NEWS DIRECTOR, WNDB NEWSTALK 1150: Well, you know Nancy, earlier this year he was found at a Daytona Beach hotel room after allegedly taking an overdose of prescription drugs.

However, my sources told me that never took place. He allegedly told a nurse at the Halifax Medical Center that he didn`t do it. And if he did it, it was for attention. As you know, medical records in the state of Florida are pretty much sealed.

We understand initially he was getting help. We do not know, Nancy, if he is still getting that help."

June 22 Transcrips NG
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/22/ng.01.html

Thanks Jester. :seeya:

Do what? "he didn`t do it. And if he did"? WTH?

I hate sources and allegedly in the same sentence. It always makes me think and unknown person might have said.

We have seen a lot of sources and allegedly in news articles over the last year especially from the THs.

Would a nurse risk her job to repeat something George said?

[kanzz]

Thanks Jester. :seeya:

Do what? "he didn`t do it. And if he did"? WTH?

I hate sources and allegedly in the same sentence. It always makes me think and unknown person might have said.

We have seen a lot of sources and allegedly in news articles over the last year especially from the THs.

Would a nurse risk her job to repeat something George said?

[my bold]

Only if they placed enough cash in hand to make up for lost wages for the rest of my life plus some. And even then, I couldn't do it.

That nurse would not only lose his/her job, but probably his/her license and his/her career.

[summer]

Thanks Jester. :seeya:

Do what? "he didn`t do it. And if he did"? WTH?

I hate sources and allegedly in the same sentence. It always makes me think and unknown person might have said.

We have seen a lot of sources and allegedly in news articles over the last year especially from the THs.

Would a nurse risk her job to repeat something George said?

So typically childlike. I didn't break the glass! And even if I did break it, not my fault! But I didn't break it. But if I did break it am I grounded? Not that I broke it!

[Tia]

So typically childlike. I didn't break the glass! And even if I did break it, not my fault! But I didn't break it. But if I did break it am I grounded? Not that I broke it!

Yup.

Everything is everyone else's fault.

[missinglink]

Thanks Jester. :seeya:

Do what? "he didn`t do it. And if he did"? WTH?

I hate sources and allegedly in the same sentence. It always makes me think and unknown person might have said.

We have seen a lot of sources and allegedly in news articles over the last year especially from the THs.

Would a nurse risk her job to repeat something George said?

I'm thinking the source would have been a police officer, not a nurse, unless it was a very stupid nurse.

George's so called statement sounds similar to OJ's book "If I Did It" or titled something like that.

Hey, lol, maybe Cindy drugged him. Just kidding. JMO.

[Jester]

Thanks Jester. :seeya:

Do what? "he didn`t do it. And if he did"? WTH?

I hate sources and allegedly in the same sentence. It always makes me think an unknown person might have said.

We have seen a lot of sources and allegedly in news articles over the last year especially from the THs.

Would a nurse risk her job to repeat something George said?

Good Morning. A nurse that was disgusted with the attention given to a false suicide attempt may, off the record, make a snide remark. I can see George saying he didn't do it, but if he did it was for attention and not a real suicide attempt. Suicide is a very serious problem that is often associated with mental illness. Maybe George doesn't want to be considered mentally ill, so he denies it happened.

[Jester]

So typically childlike. I didn't break the glass! And even if I did break it, not my fault! But I didn't break it. But if I did break it am I grounded? Not that I broke it!

Also like common legal defenses ... I didn't do it, but if I did it was an accident, and if it wasn't an accident, the victim made me do it.

[missinglink]

Good Morning. A nurse that was disgusted with the attention given to a false suicide attempt may, off the record, make a snide remark. I can see George saying he didn't do it, but if he did it was for attention and not a real suicide attempt. Suicide is a very serious problem that is often associated with mental illness. Maybe George doesn't want to be considered mentally ill, so he denies it happened.

Your assessment makes perfect sense to me. Especially the last 3 sentences.

Been there. Done that. Enough said from me.

[Freefall]

I agree with the IQ thingy, but I guess I assumed that KC brought in what she wanted or approved the drawing before she was inked...of course she doesn't even have a high school diploma, so who knows???

Not having a high school diploma does not necessarily indicate a low IQ (http://www.education-reform.net/dropouts.htm) although, in this case I tend to agree. :laugh:

[Cynthia]

I'm thinking the source would have been a police officer, not a nurse, unless it was a very stupid nurse.

George's so called statement sounds similar to OJ's book "If I Did It" or titled something like that.

Hey, lol, maybe Cindy drugged him. Just kidding. JMO.


George probably needed a break from Cindy and this was the only way he could manage it....

[no1what]

http://www.wftv.com/news/18530424/detail.html
Docs released 1/21/09 Page 14 of 18
While processing the duct tape at the FBI lab in Quantico, the latent print unit noticed residue in the perfect shape of a heart. The heart was not hand drawn and residue appeared to be consistent with the adhesive side of a heart shaped sticker. It appears that the sticker was put on the duct tape intentionally. In the search area, Investigators located a small heart shaped sticker similar in size to the residue found on the duct tape.


Does the report say if there were prints found on the Heart shaped sticker?

[missinglink]

George probably needed a break from Cindy and this was the only way he could manage it....

And wasn't this about the time Cindy was getting pretty cozy with Dominic? Maybe he was feeling rejected.

[CelticDawn]

Maybe they promised her a night at the Ritz and crab puffs...hey people are likely to do anything for that!

YOU need to come clean my laptop!!! :tonguewag:

[Jester]

George probably needed a break from Cindy and this was the only way he could manage it....

That's what I think too. It seemed like George wanted a night off with lots of beer. After a few too many drinks, many he felt a little down, and started phoning people - drunk people are known to make odd phone calls in the middle of the night.

[Jester]

Someone asked earlier why the heart sticker was not mentioned in the autopsy report ... don't know if this was already answered (been skimming a bit this morning) ... but it wasn't part of the cause of death or analysis of the remains. I think it would be included in other reports like the one linked above.

[Cynthia]

And wasn't this about the time Cindy was getting pretty cozy with Dominic? Maybe he was feeling rejected.

I think it was.....she is something else isn't she.

[Cynthia]

That's what I think too. It seemed like George wanted a night off with lots of beer. After a few too many drinks, many he felt a little down, and started phoning people - drunk people are known to make odd phone calls in the middle of the night.


Cindy could have blown this our of proportion too....attention to them may have been on the back burner a little too long for her liking.

[Rapunzel]

Good Morning. A nurse that was disgusted with the attention given to a false suicide attempt may, off the record, make a snide remark. I can see George saying he didn't do it, but if he did it was for attention and not a real suicide attempt. Suicide is a very serious problem that is often associated with mental illness. Maybe George doesn't want to be considered mentally ill, so he denies it happened.


Deny...deny...deny...so what else is new....don't they do that with everything???

[Sun]

I feel that BOTH Cindy and George have done much to spin things, but in different ways. In July, it seemed to me that George was saying and doing things that would lead suspicions "away" from Cindy, and many times he did this by the things that he said about Casey. Almost seemed to me like George was worried that LE/FBI would start investigating Cindy's possible involvement.

I don't think that they were forthcoming or truthful to LE right from the beginning. I initially thought that Cindy's 911 call was a fairly good indication that she'd just learned that Caylee might be dead, however have changed my mind on this. I think that on July 15th, her mind was still struggling with facing this, and I now think that she most likely knew about Caylee's death much earlier (and her mind didn't face it then either). Just like she didn't appear to LE/FBI to be facing it later in July either, when she sat for those interviews. Just like Cindy didn't face the fact that Casey was pregnant. I get the impression that Cindy just avoids "facing" things, until absolutely forced to. (remind anyone of someone else?)

[Snoopy50]

Good Morning. A nurse that was disgusted with the attention given to a false suicide attempt may, off the record, make a snide remark. I can see George saying he didn't do it, but if he did it was for attention and not a real suicide attempt. Suicide is a very serious problem that is often associated with mental illness. Maybe George doesn't want to be considered mentally ill, so he denies it happened.
IMO he would be much better off with a claim of mental illness, rather than just the character flaws he appears to have a multitude of. Gmorning!

[AnniePie]

I did see that. He said George told a nurse he never took anything. I'm not surprised...I never thought he attempted it anyway. It was just a ploy to get attention.

Mornin' all! :seeya:

I missed NG last night, but I'm happy to hear this. It just confirms what so many of us knew right from the time it didn't happen!

The truth has a way of eventually coming to light, and I'm confident that we'll get the truth for most of the questions we have.

[Rapunzel]

Not having a high school diploma does not necessarily indicate a low IQ (http://www.education-reform.net/dropouts.htm) although, in this case I tend to agree. :laugh:


Yes, I know...just being my normal sarcastic self...I'm wallowing in self pity and doubt right now...thanks...:biggrin:

[summer]

Also like common legal defenses ... I didn't do it, but if I did it was an accident, and if it wasn't an accident, the victim made me do it.

And these are the people who are going to help families with missing children. GMAB. :rolleyes:

[~layla~]

I think Cindy tried when she told LE Ricardo and Tone have a history together and friends with connections.

George had a few words about Tone also. page 13 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Anthony%20%20George0724.pdf

I've never met this Tony. I don't want to meet this Tony because I'm afraid I'm going to bite into this Tony. I, I, I don't want to see the man...I don't want to see him. I'm, I'm, I'm staying out of it. I'm not doing anything stupid. I'm concentrating on fliers and media stuff that...

I never understood why George didn't want to meet Tone and why George was afraid he was "going to bite into this Tony".

Maybe George was trying out his big boy pants. :shrug:

jmo

seriously, maybe cnn or perhaps TruTv can hire some of you to be writers on their trial coverage.

[5boxersmom]

Hello everyone.

Was the grave wax on the paper towels mentioned on NG last night?

[ish]

I think Cindy tried when she told LE Ricardo and Tone have a history together and friends with connections.

George had a few words about Tone also. page 13 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Anthony%20%20George0724.pdf

I've never met this Tony. I don't want to meet this Tony because I'm afraid I'm going to bite into this Tony. I, I, I don't want to see the man...I don't want to see him. I'm, I'm, I'm staying out of it. I'm not doing anything stupid. I'm concentrating on fliers and media stuff that...

I never understood why George didn't want to meet Tone and why George was afraid he was "going to bite into this Tony".

Maybe George was trying out his big boy pants. :shrug:

jmo

I think during this time period they were attempting to blame Casey's behavior on her "new friends". She had cut off contact with a lot of the old crowd and was running with this new group that none of them had met. ALways easier to put the blame on others instead of where it belongs

[Cynthia]

Mornin' all! :seeya:

I missed NG last night, but I'm happy to hear this. It just confirms what so many of us knew right from the time it didn't happen!

The truth has a way of eventually coming to light, and I'm confident that we'll get the truth for most of the questions we have.


not sure.....I am going over to read right now...

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/22/ng.01.html

[Imperfect4]

You know when you stop and think about this, it truly is hideous behavior on the part of the anthonys. Here we have all these kids trying to help by giving an honest timeline and cindy takes that information and tries to implicate them with it. Just outrageous, imo.

If a son or daughter of mine was involved in this nightmare, God help the anthonys. :cuss:

Amen, Scamp. I suspect Richard Grund has already consulted an attorney about what can be done to protect Jesse from this outrage.

[Imperfect4]

http://www.wftv.com/news/18530424/detail.html
Docs released 1/21/09 Page 14 of 18
While processing the duct tape at the FBI lab in Quantico, the latent print unit noticed residue in the perfect shape of a heart. The heart was not hand drawn and residue appeared to be consistent with the adhesive side of a heart shaped sticker. It appears that the sticker was put on the duct tape intentionally. In the search area, Investigators located a small heart shaped sticker similar in size to the residue found on the duct tape.

Thanks, Moonie.

There was no analysis of the duct tape at all in the autopsy report. I suspect that's a separate report and includes fingerprint results, the heart sticker residue, and several other things.

[Imperfect4]

And this statement by George during the autopsy hearing...

"This last year has been an emotional strain for our entire family," said George. "The protection of our family's rights and privacy and emotional well-being, has been tossed aside over and over again."

What about Caylee's rights.
George when did you or Cindy ever look for Caylee???
Why have you and Cindy lied over and over again...was that to help catch the "real killer"?

Nut jobs...all of them!!!:cursing:

They are incapable of talking about anyone but themselves, it seems.

It's all about them. With Casey, it's all about her. With Baez, it's all about him.

No matter how self-absorbed they sound, and no matter how many examples they have of how bad it's playing, they clearly don't have the capacity to talk about anyone's situation but their own.

Caylee who?

[ish]

Casey was very lucky for someone who was so permiscuous. Both Jesse and TonE were really fond of her. Altho they never knew just how "open" to a new relationship she was. Should have known from the get go. I'm sure she hopped in the bed the first time out with both of them.
She probably told them she was a born again virgin.:sneaky:
JMO

well she'd already had one immaculate conception at least according to Cindy's version of events.

[AnniePie]

I agree with the IQ thingy, but I guess I assumed that KC brought in what she wanted or approved the drawing before she was inked...of course she doesn't even have a high school diploma, so who knows???

Not knowing how to spell what she wants on a tat is typical Casey Anthony, isn't it? :mellow: That girl is not bright.

[Snoopy50]

well she'd already had one immaculate conception at least according to Cindy's version of events.
Way to go ISH....a huge waste of a perfectly good cup of coffee.

[Imperfect4]

I think Cindy tried when she told LE Ricardo and Tone have a history together and friends with connections.

George had a few words about Tone also. page 13 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Anthony%20%20George0724.pdf

I've never met this Tony. I don't want to meet this Tony because I'm afraid I'm going to bite into this Tony. I, I, I don't want to see the man...I don't want to see him. I'm, I'm, I'm staying out of it. I'm not doing anything stupid. I'm concentrating on fliers and media stuff that...

I never understood why George didn't want to meet Tone and why George was afraid he was "going to bite into this Tony".

Maybe George was trying out his big boy pants. :shrug:

jmo

LOL! (I think those were big boy pull ups.)

George's whole performance there was business as usual, imo. He assumed Tony was the problem, not his daughter. Because after all, it is NEVER the Anthonys' problem. There is ALWAYS someone else to blame. For everything.

[ish]

They are incapable of talking about anyone but themselves, it seems.

It's all about them. With Casey, it's all about her. With Baez, it's all about him.

No matter how self-absorbed they sound, and no matter how many examples they have of how bad it's playing, they clearly don't have the capacity to talk about anyone's situation but their own.

Caylee who?

I saw a clip from Friday after the autopsy hearing, Baez was after Kathi Belich again about her last name having been Gallagher and why she didn't use it anymore. Me thinks he is trying to distract Kathi from asking the hard questions, but she doesn't fall for it.

[Sandy001]

QUOTE=AMS;13217588]The NG transcripts are not posted yet. Did anyone catch what Mark Williams said at the end when he was talking about George and his supposed suicide attempt? It was something that George confided in a nurse about his "attempt".

Thanks and good orning.
[/QUOTE] IIRC George admitted that it was for attention and not a suicide attempt. Totally fake in other words

[Sandy001]

I saw a clip from Friday after the autopsy hearing, Baez was after Kathi Belich again about her last name having been Gallagher and why she didn't use it anymore. Me thinks he is trying to distract Kathi from asking the hard questions, but she doesn't fall for it. I caught that. Imo Baez is spending more time researching Kathy Belich than in working on this case. Really shows him in a worse light than he normally appears. If you will allow me some nastiness, I noticed how Baez has no neck in his last appearance. I have to wonder if his neck is growing because his lies are backing up in his throat. Thanks for letting me vent. I feel better now.
always moo

[Imperfect4]

And wasn't this about the time Cindy was getting pretty cozy with Dominic? Maybe he was feeling rejected.

That's one of my thoughts. When LE went to the A's home after BC made the call about George having gone missing, the cameras were rolling outside and when the front door opened, who was on the couch with Cindy but DCasey.

[Imperfect4]

IMO he would be much better off with a claim of mental illness, rather than just the character flaws he appears to have a multitude of. Gmorning!

Oh HELL to the yes on that one, Snoop!

[Barbara fl.]

Good afternoon all,

Just coming on, don't know if it was mentioned already....but I heard Dr. Spitzer (expert witness for the defense) say that when he went over the autopsy results, he did not see any tape or anything insinuating that a heart sticker had been placed....

It leads me to believe that the defense is going to try and contradict everything that is in that autopsy report....the defense knows just how damaging that tape is, so the only way around it is to say it wasn't there.....

I hope that the picturs of the tape around Caylee's skull wont be excluded as inadmissable....I don't think that it can be, but the defense is playing dirty and there is no telling what they can try and get thrown out at evidence.....

LE had to have taken pictures with the tape there...but the defense is trying to sa that because tehre was no skin or anything attached to the tape that if it was there then someone put it there after the body was put there...I don't think it will wash, but I believe that is what they are going to try and say....

[Jester]

Cindy could have blown this our of proportion too....attention to them may have been on the back burner a little too long for her liking.

I'm sure it wasn't the first time that George took off for a night on his own. We know he was gone for a few months and somewhere along the way, before he moved out, he had time to court another woman. I don't think there was a real need to draw international attention to George going on a bender ... but maybe I'm wrong. Maybe this bender was different.

[desmom]

Amen, Scamp. I suspect Richard Grund has already consulted an attorney about what can be done to protect Jesse from this outrage.

Ditto Imperfect4!

Richard Grund is not a man I would want to mess with...especially when it comes to his children. :scared:

[Jester]

Deny...deny...deny...so what else is new....don't they do that with everything???

The fishiness and contradiction in the statement sounds so much like other statements made by the Anthony family. Casey says Cayley is close, Cindy says she thinks Cayley is close to home ... and all along, if the family faced the facts, they knew that Cayley was probably in the pet cemetery with the rest of Casey's pets. Cindy said to Cayley "what have you done" on July 16th, and from then on proceeds to claim there exists a nice nanny that has taken Cayley away to Disneyland or some other happy place. They say black and white in the same sentence.

[farrahrani]

I think the pictures will be admissible Barbara, simply for the fact that Spitzer went on national television stating there was no tape, he didn't see tape, and there was no adhesive on the skeleton. Now that he has been so gracious as to tip off the pros as to their latest lame tactic, they have ammunition to get it admitted even in the unlikely event that the pictures might be fought as evidence.

[Imperfect4]

Ditto Imperfect4!

Richard Grund is not a man I would want to mess with...especially when it comes to his children. :scared:

And more power to him. Seems to me he's spent at least part of his life trying to do the RIGHT THING. What a concept!

I'm sure watching Caylee's family try everything in their power to get away with all the WRONG THINGS, has prompted Mr. Grund to take at least some preliminary action to protect what he's worked for.

No way would I let the likes of the Anthony family take down a child of mine without a fight.

[Jester]

IMO he would be much better off with a claim of mental illness, rather than just the character flaws he appears to have a multitude of. Gmorning!

George does appear to have some communication issues. He goes from tears to yelling, insulting to schmoozing (telling Zenaida that she's no 10, and then saying he feels so sorry for her), sadness to anger, sadness to defensive ... all things in the blink of an eye. I think the whole family is passive aggressive.

[Rapunzel]

Good afternoon all,

Just coming on, don't know if it was mentioned already....but I heard Dr. Spitzer (expert witness for the defense) say that when he went over the autopsy results, he did not see any tape or anything insinuating that a heart sticker had been placed....

It leads me to believe that the defense is going to try and contradict everything that is in that autopsy report....the defense knows just how damaging that tape is, so the only way around it is to say it wasn't there.....

I hope that the picturs of the tape around Caylee's skull wont be excluded as inadmissable....I don't think that it can be, but the defense is playing dirty and there is no telling what they can try and get thrown out at evidence.....

LE had to have taken pictures with the tape there...but the defense is trying to sa that because tehre was no skin or anything attached to the tape that if it was there then someone put it there after the body was put there...I don't think it will wash, but I believe that is what they are going to try and say....

Yeah, they all are banking on that potential jurors won't have read any of this stuff...and just listen to the TV.

[Snoopy50]

Ditto Imperfect4!

Richard Grund is not a man I would want to mess with...especially when it comes to his children. :scared:
Add to that, Richard TRULY is a man of God, contrary to the who-know-whos.:angry:

[SandyO]

Deny...deny...deny...so what else is new....don't they do that with everything???

These words, "Deny, deny, deny" are the words of advice Jackie Peterson gave to her son, Scott. Are we sure these two families aren't related somehow?

[Snoopy50]

George does appear to have some communication issues. He goes from tears to yelling, insulting to schmoozing (telling Zenaida that she's no 10, and then saying he feels so sorry for her), sadness to anger, sadness to defensive ... all things in the blink of an eye. I think the whole family is passive aggressive.
I agree with you, with one exception.
Wasn't it Cindy who made the comment about not being a 10?

[Jester]

And these are the people who are going to help families with missing children. GMAB. :rolleyes:

The Anthony family knows nothing about missing children. Cayley was never missing. Casey knew exactly where Cayley was, and the rest of the family knew that Casey had murdered Cayley shortly thereafter, and without a doubt on the day they picked up the car.

The Anthonys could start a foundation for Mastering Denial, Manipulating the Public, Hiding the Truth, How to Raise a Murderer, How to Deceive the Police, How to Withhold Evidence, and many other things, but not what to do when a child is missing.

[Snoopy50]

The Anthony family knows nothing about missing children. Cayley was never missing. Casey knew exactly where Cayley was, and the rest of the family knew that Casey had murdered Cayley shortly thereafter, and without a doubt on the day they picked up the car.

The Anthonys could start a foundation for Mastering Denial, Manipulating the Public, Hiding the Truth, How to Raise a Murderer, How to Deceive the Police, How to Withhold Evidence, and many other things, but not what to do when a child is missing.

What a novel idea. In this day and age where people are big on scamming, such a foundation/instruction guide would be a most lucrative business for these two.IMO:thumbup:

[Unleashed]

Ditto Imperfect4!

Richard Grund is not a man I would want to mess with...especially when it comes to his children. :scared:

The saying "He!! hath no fury like a woman scorned" needs to include Richard Grund somewhere.
I would NOT attack his children and think I would come out unscathed.:scared:
I love that man.


JMO

[desmom]

Definitely an interesting read, imo.

Caylee/Casey Anthony Case: Caylees Autopsy Revelations Part I
http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/06/20/cayleecasey-anthony-case-caylees-autopsy-revelations-part-i/

[Sandy001]

Good afternoon all,

Just coming on, don't know if it was mentioned already....but I heard Dr. Spitzer (expert witness for the defense) say that when he went over the autopsy results, he did not see any tape or anything insinuating that a heart sticker had been placed....

It leads me to believe that the defense is going to try and contradict everything that is in that autopsy report....the defense knows just how damaging that tape is, so the only way around it is to say it wasn't there.....

I hope that the picturs of the tape around Caylee's skull wont be excluded as inadmissable....I don't think that it can be, but the defense is playing dirty and there is no telling what they can try and get thrown out at evidence.....

LE had to have taken pictures with the tape there...but the defense is trying to sa that because tehre was no skin or anything attached to the tape that if it was there then someone put it there after the body was put there...I don't think it will wash, but I believe that is what they are going to try and say....


There have to have been pictures taken at the scene where they found the body as well as pictures taken before the autopsy. I think Spitz is just spewing lies like all the rest of them. I also don't think he has actually seen the body at all - just pictures. The defense is going to have a long road to convince jurors that there was no tape on the body. I have faith in the prosecution and absolutely none in the lie-spewing defense. A good prosecutor can rip holes through what Spitz claims.

BTW, Defense experts always lie to the media. It's what they are paid to do. Always remember, the job of LE and the ME is to find the TRUTH, not to convict someone - at least not at this stage. They go where the evidence leads them and the evidence at all points has led right back to Casey Anthony. Don't forget that all they really knew when the body was found was that it was a child.

moo

[Jester]

I agree with you, with one exception.
Wasn't it Cindy who made the comment about not being a 10?

Maybe you're right. I thought they both made the comment. What they said about Zenaida sounded so rehearsed they almost used identical words.

[Unleashed]

George does appear to have some communication issues. He goes from tears to yelling, insulting to schmoozing (telling Zenaida that she's no 10, and then saying he feels so sorry for her), sadness to anger, sadness to defensive ... all things in the blink of an eye. I think the whole family is passive aggressive.

I honestly think George doesn't want anyone to dislike him. I don't think he realizes that he cannot please everyone, and once he realizes he has offended someone he tries to dance around it so they won't be 'mad' at him.

JMO

[summer]

And more power to him. Seems to me he's spent at least part of his life trying to do the RIGHT THING. What a concept!

I'm sure watching Caylee's family try everything in their power to get away with all the WRONG THINGS, has prompted Mr. Grund to take at least some preliminary action to protect what he's worked for.

No way would I let the likes of the Anthony family take down a child of mine without a fight.

Of all the despicable things this family has done to so many people, the lowlife attacks on the Grunds are unspeakable.

Here's this family who opens their heart to Casey. Their son has asked her to marry him. Even after the paternity test proves her to be a liar Jesse still wants to marry her. They take Caylee into their home and babysit her the first year of her life until finally Mr. Grund (probably feeling terribly) has to request Casey find other means of babysitting because, you know, he actually has a job and a family and a life to lead.

How many thanks did the Anthonys extend to the Grunds during this time. I'd say probably not many. More like none. Did they buy them gifts? Invite them over to dinner or barbeques, acknowledge them for all the lovely things they've done for their daughter and grandaughter? Unlikely.

And then. And then. Who do they accuse first of harming Caylee? Why the Grund family of course!

So sick.

Someone here the other day said the Anthonys thought the Grunds were just chumps. That's what happens when nice people do good things for reprobates.

Oh, and where are my manners? Good morning, Imp! :seeya:

[AnniePie]

Ditto Imperfect4!

Richard Grund is not a man I would want to mess with...especially when it comes to his children. :scared:

No kidding, des! I would be afraid to mess with anything to do with that man for fear of lightning strikes. :scared:

The Anthonys don't have a clue (not even a teeny one) about who they're dealing with.

[EverMoth]

Hello everyone.

Was the grave wax on the paper towels mentioned on NG last night?

Hi there. I was asking this same question yesterday because this is such significant evidence. I listened last night but have, to date, heard no reference to the grave wax. I'm afraid this very important evidence is going to be overlooked.

[summer]

Maybe you're right. I thought they both made the comment. What they said about Zenaida sounded so rehearsed they almost used identical words.

They did. They both said it.

[AnniePie]

I honestly think George doesn't want anyone to dislike him. I don't think he realizes that he cannot please everyone, and once he realizes he has offended someone he tries to dance around it so they won't be 'mad' at him.

JMO

Good observation, LB! I agree with you. He doesn't realize that all he really needs to do is be obedient to Cindy, and his life will be just peachy.

[Barbara fl.]

Yeah, they all are banking on that potential jurors won't have read any of this stuff...and just listen to the TV.



When this finally gets to trial, they (the Anthony's) are going to wish that they had all kept their mouth shut.....

This so called "Dream Team" is going to be in for a surprise....instead of making them it's going to break them....Casey is going down for this murder....

I also heard an investergator on NG say that it is not all that uncommon for a parent to put tape around a childs mouth and it suffercates them......(I personally never heard of such before) but he said that it does happen......He indicated that the tape would be placed there to shut the child up but ends up killing the child....I hope that the defense doesn't try to say that this was an accident....because no way would a mother keep putting duct tape around a childs head, nose and mouth just to quiet the child down....my opinion would be that she intentionally put it there to kill the child (what a horrible way to go)...Casey deserves everything she gets....

[Jester]

Just heard on CNN that the tattoo says La Vita Bella ... Italian for The Beautiful Life.

[summer]

The saying "He!! hath no fury like a woman scorned" needs to include Richard Grund somewhere.
I would NOT attack his children and think I would come out unscathed.:scared:
I love that man.


JMO

He's amazing. It was so smart of him to insist Jesse get a paternity test. That was ballsy and thank goodness Jesse is a good dad-loving son. A lot of kids would've said "no way"!

[Barbara fl.]

Ditto Imperfect4!

Richard Grund is not a man I would want to mess with...especially when it comes to his children. :scared:


I agree, he also made sure that a DNA test was done when Caylee was born and it proved once again how Casey lied her whole life....

This must of upset Casey very much...I doubt that she ever forgave Jesse for doing that.....Now she wants to hurt him even more by trying to implicate Jesse in all this...

But the Anthony's need to watch out for Mr. Grund...he wont take this sitting down....

[Jester]

What a novel idea. In this day and age where people are big on scamming, such a foundation/instruction guide would be a most lucrative business for these two.IMO:thumbup:

Criminals everywhere would support the foundation, and the Anthonys could travel the country giving inspirational talks and stuffing their pockets.

[summer]

I agree with you, with one exception.
Wasn't it Cindy who made the comment about not being a 10?

So stupid huh? Both of them saying she's not a 10. You'd think they would've assigned that particular phrase to just one or the other in their pre-depo rehearsals. "OK George, you're the nice one - you can get away with saying she's maybe a 7..." But both of them? Stoopid.

[denjet]

I think the pictures will be admissible Barbara, simply for the fact that Spitzer went on national television stating there was no tape, he didn't see tape, and there was no adhesive on the skeleton. Now that he has been so gracious as to tip off the pros as to their latest lame tactic, they have ammunition to get it admitted even in the unlikely event that the pictures might be fought as evidence.
Good afternoon folks!
Hi farrah!
I can't stand the play on and twisting of words that the defense and their experts do every chance they have an audience. I was screaming at my TV when Spitzer was talking. If you read between the lines, he was saying WHEN he saw the skeletal remains which most likely was AFTER the coroner completed her examination ... he did NOT admit to seeing the autopsy pictures taken before Dr. G's examination ... I'm sure the photos told a different story ... but once again the defense team has to put a discrediting spin on evidence

ITA with you that should they be able to get the photos thrown out as evidence, they could go forward with their "interpretation" ... what I find amazing is that even without the photos, Dr G and others working on the autopsy would be able to testify to what they observed ... so I don't really see how this is helping ... oh ya, that's right, tainting the jury pool ... that's no doubt their objective ... :sneaky:

[Jester]

They did. They both said it.

Thanks. That's what I thought. Cindy sneered when she said it but when George said it, he felt a small pang of disgust and quickly added that he felt bad for Zenaida.

[Barbara fl.]

Just heard on CNN that the tattoo says La Vita Bella ... Italian for The Beautiful Life.


If it say's La Vita Bella....that means beatiful Lady......"Bella" means woman/lady......I'm not too up on my italian...but i'm sure that "Bella" is woman/lady etc....

[denjet]

I think he just wanted a night or two away from Cindy and their house...you don't ask the motel clerk where to get the best delivery pizza if you are fixin' to die...saw how nice (and considerably more quiet) his 72 hour vacation from Hell was so he stayed in the Hospital - and away from the circus...
Bingo, notdark!
Ordering a pizza? No ambulance? Walking out of the motel with LE? mmmmm ... sounds like a legitimate suicide attempt? NOT :mad:

[Pam1569]

Good afternoon all,

Just coming on, don't know if it was mentioned already....but I heard Dr. Spitzer (expert witness for the defense) say that when he went over the autopsy results, he did not see any tape or anything insinuating that a heart sticker had been placed....

It leads me to believe that the defense is going to try and contradict everything that is in that autopsy report....the defense knows just how damaging that tape is, so the only way around it is to say it wasn't there.....

I hope that the pictures of the tape around Caylee's skull wont be excluded as inadmissable....I don't think that it can be, but the defense is playing dirty and there is no telling what they can try and get thrown out at evidence.....

LE had to have taken pictures with the tape there...but the defense is trying to sa that because there was no skin or anything attached to the tape that if it was there then someone put it there after the body was put there...I don't think it will wash, but I believe that is what they are going to try and say....

Hi Barb, How did Dr. Spitzer see the autopsy photos? IIRC according to the January 8th court hearing about the photos of the autopsy JB was supposed to start a secure server and only let his team see them. If so his team would be his defense witness list would it not?
http://www.wftv.com/video/18603229/index.html

Also I have been thinking about what happened and came up with this theory (Sorry for it being so long).

6/15 - 6/16 early morning kills Caylee (After fight with Cindy she (Casey) takes Caylee in a huff out of the house and kills Caylee in a rage in the car after she has driven away from the Anthony's)

Early morning 6/16 Casey puts Caylee in trunk of car wrapped in WPB.

6/16 to 6/19 Drives around with Caylee decomposing in trunk of car. Smell begins to get bad.

call to Papa John's on 6/18/08 @ 0:10:17am 52 minutes (see desmom's docstoc below)
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2385297/Casey_Anthony_cell_records_615_to_716

Casey cleans up Tony's after pizza is gone and takes the trash to trunk of car not sealed.

6/18 Brian Burner loans Casey shovel. Casey brings Caylee to backyard and puts her on grass. Finds it to hard to dig in yard. Casey then double trash bags Caylee and then puts her in the laundry bag for easy carry and puts her back in the trunk of the car.
(From desmom's post on 6/18/2009
On June 18 or 19, Casey borrowed a shovel from Brian Burner at approximately 1:30 p.m. Casey’s car was backed into the garage. She returned the shovel around 2:30 p.m. Pages 6 – 7 http://flawebhosting.net/docs092308/bb092308.pdf )

6/18 Casey disposes of Caylee's body (This would explain 2.6 days of decomp in trunk from the Oak Ridge Laboratory)

2:42pm to 3:16pm Anthony's home area (see ping map)
6/18 Cell phone ping map
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBXNG_aePGA&feature=PlayList&p=65075822623C5AC8&index=39

After she disposes of Caylee's body in the woods on Suburban Drive she wipes her hands off on paper towels from trash bag and then ties the bag shut. (This would explain why the death wax on paper towels)

Then drives around until the car is stinking so bad she abandons car at Amscot on the 27th of June with trash bag still in trunk of car.

All of this is jmo. Sorry for it being so long.

[Sandy001]

They did. They both said it.

Wasn't there a ticket in the name of ZG? I have to wonder whose address was on that infraction. LE would have that info. Supposedly a small payment was made on the ticket, then nothing. I just wonder if it's the ZG who is suing or the invisible ZG.

[Jester]

So stupid huh? Both of them saying she's not a 10. You'd think they would've assigned that particular phrase to just one or the other in their pre-depo rehearsals. "OK George, you're the nice one - you can get away with saying she's maybe a 7..." But both of them? Stoopid.

It's so pedestrian, 1970s, and Bo Derek to size up women and attach a number from 1 to 10.

[Barbara fl.]

If it say's La Vita Bella....that means beatiful Lady......"Bella" means woman/lady......I'm not too up on my italian...but i'm sure that "Bella" is woman/lady etc....


I stand corrected....I just looked it up....But it was always used when talking about a female...but I guess it was used when talking about a beautiful woman.....It's a big name with the italians....so I automatically associated it to a female....

sorry for the wrong interpretation......

[Jester]

If it say's La Vita Bella....that means beatiful Lady......"Bella" means woman/lady......I'm not too up on my italian...but i'm sure that "Bella" is woman/lady etc....

I'm sure it's often said around women, but it means beautiful in Italian.

Ah yes ... beautiful women ... a favorite word of the Italians.

[Sandy001]

When this finally gets to trial, they (the Anthony's) are going to wish that they had all kept their mouth shut.....

This so called "Dream Team" is going to be in for a surprise....instead of making them it's going to break them....Casey is going down for this murder....

I also heard an investergator on NG say that it is not all that uncommon for a parent to put tape around a childs mouth and it suffercates them......(I personally never heard of such before) but he said that it does happen......He indicated that the tape would be placed there to shut the child up but ends up killing the child....I hope that the defense doesn't try to say that this was an accident....because no way would a mother keep putting duct tape around a childs head, nose and mouth just to quiet the child down....my opinion would be that she intentionally put it there to kill the child (what a horrible way to go)...Casey deserves everything she gets....


Sounds like child abuse to me.

[summer]

Wasn't there a ticket in the name of ZG? I have to wonder whose address was on that infraction. LE would have that info. Supposedly a small payment was made on the ticket, then nothing. I just wonder if it's the ZG who is suing or the invisible ZG.

I've heard rumors about false IDs and tickets but to my knowledge nothing has been confirmed. Could be nothing, could be LE is keeping it close to the vest...

[Sandy001]

When this finally gets to trial, they (the Anthony's) are going to wish that they had all kept their mouth shut.....

This so called "Dream Team" is going to be in for a surprise....instead of making them it's going to break them....Casey is going down for this murder....

I also heard an investergator on NG say that it is not all that uncommon for a parent to put tape around a childs mouth and it suffercates them......(I personally never heard of such before) but he said that it does happen......He indicated that the tape would be placed there to shut the child up but ends up killing the child....I hope that the defense doesn't try to say that this was an accident....because no way would a mother keep putting duct tape around a childs head, nose and mouth just to quiet the child down....my opinion would be that she intentionally put it there to kill the child (what a horrible way to go)...Casey deserves everything she gets....

Don't forget that Scott Peterson's lying interviews were shown to the jury - maybe it will happen in this case, too.

[Cynthia]

Definitely an interesting read, imo.

Caylee/Casey Anthony Case: Caylees Autopsy Revelations Part I
http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/06/20/cayleecasey-anthony-case-caylees-autopsy-revelations-part-i/


Desmom...that was a good read. The "O" explanation got me.

[Barbara fl.]

Hi Barb, How did Dr. Spitzer see the autopsy photos? IIRC according to the January 8th court hearing about the photos of the autopsy JB was supposed to start a secure server and only let his team see them. If so his team would be his defense witness list would it not?
http://www.wftv.com/video/18603229/index.html

Also I have been thinking about what happened and came up with this theory (Sorry for it being so long).

6/15 - 6/16 early morning kills Caylee (After fight with Cindy she (Casey) takes Caylee in a huff out of the house and kills Caylee in a rage in the car after she has driven away from the Anthony's)

Early morning 6/16 Casey puts Caylee in trunk of car wrapped in WPB.

6/16 to 6/19 Drives around with Caylee decomposing in trunk of car. Smell begins to get bad.

call to Papa John's on 6/18/08 @ 0:10:17am 52 minutes (see desmom's docstoc below)
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2385297/Casey_Anthony_cell_records_615_to_716

Casey cleans up Tony's after pizza is gone and takes the trash to trunk of car not sealed.

6/18 Brian Burner loans Casey shovel. Casey brings Caylee to backyard and puts her on grass. Finds it to hard to dig in yard. Casey then double trash bags Caylee and then puts her in the laundry bag for easy carry and puts her back in the trunk of the car.
(From desmom's post on 6/18/2009
On June 18 or 19, Casey borrowed a shovel from Brian Burner at approximately 1:30 p.m. Casey’s car was backed into the garage. She returned the shovel around 2:30 p.m. Pages 6 – 7 http://flawebhosting.net/docs092308/bb092308.pdf )

6/18 Casey disposes of Caylee's body (This would explain 2.6 days of decomp in trunk from the Oak Ridge Laboratory)

2:42pm to 3:16pm Anthony's home area (see ping map)
6/18 Cell phone ping map
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBXNG_aePGA&feature=PlayList&p=65075822623C5AC8&index=39

After she disposes of Caylee's body in the woods on Suburban Drive she wipes her hands off on paper towels from trash bag and then ties the bag shut. (This would explain why the death wax on paper towels)

Then drives around until the car is stinking so bad she abandons car at Amscot on the 27th of June with trash bag still in trunk of car.

All of this is jmo. Sorry for it being so long.



I totally agree with your scenerio.......

As for Spitzer...I don't know how he got to see the pictures...I do know that he is part of the team, so maybe he was allowed to see them to make his anology....But if that is going to be the defense, I doubt that it will get over....because the tape was attached to the hair, and i'm sure the state will be able to prove why there was no skin attached.....

IMO, the defense is fighting a losing battle......

[101Spots]

If it say's La Vita Bella....that means beatiful Lady......"Bella" means woman/lady......I'm not too up on my italian...but i'm sure that "Bella" is woman/lady etc....

Using iGoogle Word Monkey:

the beautiful life (Eng --> Italian) = la bella vita
the beautiful life (Eng --> Spanish) = la hermosa vida
bella (Italian --> Eng) = beautiful

I do believe "Bella" is used as a vernacular way to address a woman - kinda like George saying to OC, "Hello, Gorgeous."

[Rapunzel]

When this finally gets to trial, they (the Anthony's) are going to wish that they had all kept their mouth shut.....

This so called "Dream Team" is going to be in for a surprise....instead of making them it's going to break them....Casey is going down for this murder....

I also heard an investergator on NG say that it is not all that uncommon for a parent to put tape around a childs mouth and it suffercates them......(I personally never heard of such before) but he said that it does happen......He indicated that the tape would be placed there to shut the child up but ends up killing the child....I hope that the defense doesn't try to say that this was an accident....because no way would a mother keep putting duct tape around a childs head, nose and mouth just to quiet the child down....my opinion would be that she intentionally put it there to kill the child (what a horrible way to go)...Casey deserves everything she gets....

Guess she didn't comprehend those parenting books she had.

I almost wonder growing up if Casey didn't experience some type of mental and physical abuse at the hands of Cindy or George...mostly Cindy.

[♫Rock*Star♫]

If it say's La Vita Bella....that means beatiful Lady......"Bella" means woman/lady......I'm not too up on my italian...but i'm sure that "Bella" is woman/lady etc....

Bella, in Italian, means beautiful or attractive.

[Barbara fl.]

Don't forget that Scott Peterson's lying interviews were shown to the jury - maybe it will happen in this case, too.

Without a doubt....I doubt that the defense wll be able to keep that important part out.....that is what got her arrested to begin with (all her lies).....

[Barbara fl.]

Using iGoogle Word Monkey:

the beautiful life (Eng --> Italian) = la bella vita
the beautiful life (Eng --> Spanish) = la hermosa vida
bella (Italian --> Eng) = beautiful

I do believe "Bella" is used as a vernacular way to address a woman - kinda like George saying to OC, "Hello, Gorgeous."


Yes, I looked it up and also came to that conclusion.....sorry for the wrong interpretation....

[5boxersmom]

Guess she didn't comprehend those parenting books she had.

I almost wonder growing up if Casey didn't experience some type of mental and physical abuse at the hands of Cindy or George...mostly Cindy.

I have always wondered that too about the abuse.


jmo

[Barbara fl.]

Sounds like child abuse to me.


At the VERY least...in this case "murder".....

[Pam1569]

I totally agree with your scenerio.......

As for Spitzer...I don't know how he got to see the pictures...I do know that he is part of the team, so maybe he was allowed to see them to make his anology....But if that is going to be the defense, I doubt that it will get over....because the tape was attached to the hair, and i'm sure the state will be able to prove why there was no skin attached.....

IMO, the defense is fighting a losing battle......

Barbara, I agree the defense is fighting a battle, but I don't think any of the defense is going to be able to debunk any of the evidence so the battle is already lost. imo the defense is there only to glorify themselves and not to defend this creature. The creature has no defense as we can certainly see with all these off the wall theories that comes from their lips.

[Sandy001]

Good afternoon folks!
Hi farrah!
I can't stand the play on and twisting of words that the defense and their experts do every chance they have an audience. I was screaming at my TV when Spitzer was talking. If you read between the lines, he was saying WHEN he saw the skeletal remains which most likely was AFTER the coroner completed her examination ... he did NOT admit to seeing the autopsy pictures taken before Dr. G's examination ... I'm sure the photos told a different story ... but once again the defense team has to put a discrediting spin on evidence

ITA with you that should they be able to get the photos thrown out as evidence, they could go forward with their "interpretation" ... what I find amazing is that even without the photos, Dr G and others working on the autopsy would be able to testify to what they observed ... so I don't really see how this is helping ... oh ya, that's right, tainting the jury pool ... that's no doubt their objective ... :sneaky:

And without the FBI evidence as to what was found on that tape (there could very well have been Caylee's skin cells on that tape, Spitzer is blowing smoke and doing a very poor job of it.

I cannot express enough the importance of critical listening to what is being said, particularly DURING the trial. The defense is already playing word games with the media. No one here is buying it, but it's so very important HOW the defense says things during the trial.

As for Spitz - if he saw pictures post-autopsy (with no tape), he also saw pre-autopsy photos (with tape). Also LE photos of crime scene would most likely have been shown to him.

I find it highly unlikely that the people who recovered the reamins saw duct tape, everyone in the morgue saw duct tape, yet Spitz has developed a serious case of blindness.

moo

[Cynthia]

Hi Barb, How did Dr. Spitzer see the autopsy photos? IIRC according to the January 8th court hearing about the photos of the autopsy JB was supposed to start a secure server and only let his team see them. If so his team would be his defense witness list would it not?
http://www.wftv.com/video/18603229/index.html

Also I have been thinking about what happened and came up with this theory (Sorry for it being so long).

6/15 - 6/16 early morning kills Caylee (After fight with Cindy she (Casey) takes Caylee in a huff out of the house and kills Caylee in a rage in the car after she has driven away from the Anthony's)

Early morning 6/16 Casey puts Caylee in trunk of car wrapped in WPB.

6/16 to 6/19 Drives around with Caylee decomposing in trunk of car. Smell begins to get bad.

call to Papa John's on 6/18/08 @ 0:10:17am 52 minutes (see desmom's docstoc below)
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2385297/Casey_Anthony_cell_records_615_to_716

Casey cleans up Tony's after pizza is gone and takes the trash to trunk of car not sealed.

6/18 Brian Burner loans Casey shovel. Casey brings Caylee to backyard and puts her on grass. Finds it to hard to dig in yard. Casey then double trash bags Caylee and then puts her in the laundry bag for easy carry and puts her back in the trunk of the car.
(From desmom's post on 6/18/2009
On June 18 or 19, Casey borrowed a shovel from Brian Burner at approximately 1:30 p.m. Casey’s car was backed into the garage. She returned the shovel around 2:30 p.m. Pages 6 – 7 http://flawebhosting.net/docs092308/bb092308.pdf )

6/18 Casey disposes of Caylee's body (This would explain 2.6 days of decomp in trunk from the Oak Ridge Laboratory)

2:42pm to 3:16pm Anthony's home area (see ping map)
6/18 Cell phone ping map
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBXNG_aePGA&feature=PlayList&p=65075822623C5AC8&index=39

After she disposes of Caylee's body in the woods on Suburban Drive she wipes her hands off on paper towels from trash bag and then ties the bag shut. (This would explain why the death wax on paper towels)

Then drives around until the car is stinking so bad she abandons car at Amscot on the 27th of June with trash bag still in trunk of car.

All of this is jmo. Sorry for it being so long.

Pam, good post. How could any human ride around knowing their deceased child is in the trunk. For the remainder of my life I will never understand that.

[Scampi]

Bella means beautiful as in La Bella Luna, the beautiful moon - from the film "Moonstruck." :smile:

[Barbara fl.]

Guess she didn't comprehend those parenting books she had.

I almost wonder growing up if Casey didn't experience some type of mental and physical abuse at the hands of Cindy or George...mostly Cindy.


My persnal opinion (and I could be wrong) is that Casey was spoiled rotten...she got her way with everything...and when her parents finally saw the monster they created and tried to correct it, it was too late...and Caylee paid the ultimate price for their mistakes.....

[Dells]

And they blame everyone else for the position they are in...including M&M when George blamed people like M&M for their pain and George said something like...and you just don't care!!!

The Anthony's blame everyone and everything for this whole tragic situation, except the very person who is the cause of it all....CASEY.:sneaky:

[desmom]

I think the pictures will be admissible Barbara, simply for the fact that Spitzer went on national television stating there was no tape, he didn't see tape, and there was no adhesive on the skeleton. Now that he has been so gracious as to tip off the pros as to their latest lame tactic, they have ammunition to get it admitted even in the unlikely event that the pictures might be fought as evidence.

I can't imagine Dr. G and Staff putting the information in their report about the duct tape or Kronk talking about the duct tape in his interview with LE on 12/11 IF there wasn't any duct tape.

Spitz must of been referring to his own autopsy report he did on Caylee and not the one from Dr. G.

JB and his Dream Team need to stay off the airwaves with their "mis-statements".

jmo

[♫Rock*Star♫]

My persnal opinion (and I could be wrong) is that Casey was spoiled rotten...she got her way with everything...and when her parents finally saw the monster they created and tried to correct it, it was too late...and Caylee paid the ultimate price for their mistakes.....

I don't believe Cindy & George ever tried to "correct it."

[Sandy001]

Guess she didn't comprehend those parenting books she had.

I almost wonder growing up if Casey didn't experience some type of mental and physical abuse at the hands of Cindy or George...mostly Cindy.

She has LOC - Lack of Conscience

[Rapunzel]

I have always wondered that too about the abuse.


jmo


Well, I guess we all know she did use mental abuse at least since JG came into the picture, that is when we started hearing about things Cindy would say to Casey. Cindy would enable Casey, then would throw her under the bus in an attempt to do what??? Make herself look good???

Just wonder about when she was younger...prolly more of the same even then...I can't imagine Cindy has changed over the years.

[Kat4Eagles]

Is there anyone at all who thinks Casey is innocent?

I certainly don't, the reason I am asking is that I am wondering how they are ever going to find 12 people in the entire world who will be able to keep an open mind about this case!!

Could you do it?
Could you sit and serve on this jury?
Could you just look at the evidence, and not be overwhelmed by the heartbreaking details of the case?
Could you look at pics of Caylee before and after and be able to remain
objective?
Could you return a fair verdict?

I could not do it.....there is no way they would ever be able to explain all the damaging evidence away to my satisfaction, Casey's behavior after Caylee went missing, and all the lies she has told.

I think this case will be long over before it ever actually enters a courtoom........so, could this actually help Casey.??.....if, someone wanted to argue that she was presumed guilty long before her right to a fair and impartial trial .
Agree?
Disagree?
And, is there anything that could be done about it?
Ex: gag order
Just wondering your thoughts!
Kat

[Barbara fl.]

Barbara, I agree the defense is fighting a battle, but I don't think any of the defense is going to be able to debunk any of the evidence so the battle is already lost. imo the defense is there only to glorify themselves and not to defend this creature. The creature has no defense as we can certainly see with all these off the wall theories that comes from their lips.


I fully agree...however, LKB, Baez, Mr. Macaluso, Henry Lee and all the rest would be very happy if they can at least a hung jury....that would give them the notority that they are truly seeking....Otherwise they can end up ruining their own reputation.....

But that's the chance they agreed to take, when they took on this case..

But somewhere they believe they can achieve a hung jury....But I doubt it very strongly....

[Dells]

I agree Scampi.

I am sure the last these kids wanted to do was go to the A's and discuss all their activities for the past 30 days. Kudos to all of them for stepping up and trying to help.

And for Cindy to set in LE interviews and spew her garbage about they are all into drugs and have connections to make people disappear..... :cursing:

jmo

Like Cindy even has a right to say anything about anybody else's children. Look at her own daughter: Liar, thief, freeloader, and now murderer.:sneaky:

[5boxersmom]

I was just looking at the transcripts of NG and the tattoo guy says Casey had two tattoos.

She had the shamrock and then bella one. Didn't she also have one on her right front hip that looked like a gun? Or is that a birthmark? I know I saw it in one of the pictures where she was at the beach with Caylee.

jmo

[101Spots]

And without the FBI evidence as to what was found on that tape (there could very well have been Caylee's skin cells on that tape, Spitzer is blowing smoke and doing a very poor job of it.

I cannot express enough the importance of critical listening to what is being said, particularly DURING the trial. The defense is already playing word games with the media. No one here is buying it, but it's so very important HOW the defense says things during the trial.

As for Spitz - if he saw pictures post-autopsy (with no tape), he also saw pre-autopsy photos (with tape). Also LE photos of crime scene would most likely have been shown to him.

I find it highly unlikely that the people who recovered the reamins saw duct tape, everyone in the morgue saw duct tape, yet Spitz has developed a serious case of blindness.

moo

I believe they refer to this as "selective sight." He sees what he wants to see.

[5boxersmom]

Well, I guess we all know she did use mental abuse at least since JG came into the picture, that is when we started hearing about things Cindy would say to Casey. Cindy would enable Casey, then would throw her under the bus in an attempt to do what??? Make herself look good???

Just wonder about when she was younger...prolly more of the same even then...I can't imagine Cindy has changed over the years.

The first time I saw Cindy on tv almost a year ago I thought she was an abuser. Just a feeling I had.

jmo

[EverMoth]

Hi Barb, How did Dr. Spitzer see the autopsy photos? IIRC according to the January 8th court hearing about the photos of the autopsy JB was supposed to start a secure server and only let his team see them. If so his team would be his defense witness list would it not?
http://www.wftv.com/video/18603229/index.html

Also I have been thinking about what happened and came up with this theory (Sorry for it being so long).

6/15 - 6/16 early morning kills Caylee (After fight with Cindy she (Casey) takes Caylee in a huff out of the house and kills Caylee in a rage in the car after she has driven away from the Anthony's)

Early morning 6/16 Casey puts Caylee in trunk of car wrapped in WPB.

6/16 to 6/19 Drives around with Caylee decomposing in trunk of car. Smell begins to get bad.

call to Papa John's on 6/18/08 @ 0:10:17am 52 minutes (see desmom's docstoc below)
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2385297/Casey_Anthony_cell_records_615_to_716

Casey cleans up Tony's after pizza is gone and takes the trash to trunk of car not sealed.

6/18 Brian Burner loans Casey shovel. Casey brings Caylee to backyard and puts her on grass. Finds it to hard to dig in yard. Casey then double trash bags Caylee and then puts her in the laundry bag for easy carry and puts her back in the trunk of the car.
(From desmom's post on 6/18/2009
On June 18 or 19, Casey borrowed a shovel from Brian Burner at approximately 1:30 p.m. Casey’s car was backed into the garage. She returned the shovel around 2:30 p.m. Pages 6 – 7 http://flawebhosting.net/docs092308/bb092308.pdf )

6/18 Casey disposes of Caylee's body (This would explain 2.6 days of decomp in trunk from the Oak Ridge Laboratory)

2:42pm to 3:16pm Anthony's home area (see ping map)
6/18 Cell phone ping map
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBXNG_aePGA&feature=PlayList&p=65075822623C5AC8&index=39

After she disposes of Caylee's body in the woods on Suburban Drive she wipes her hands off on paper towels from trash bag and then ties the bag shut. (This would explain why the death wax on paper towels)

Then drives around until the car is stinking so bad she abandons car at Amscot on the 27th of June with trash bag still in trunk of car.

All of this is jmo. Sorry for it being so long.

My bold

Where does the grave wax figure in with the 2.5 days in the trunk. Grave wax takes 30 days to accumulate on the corpse, although it could be quicker in warm weather from what I understand. I don't think it would be that quick tho. So, if the paper towels found in the trunk had grave wax on them it either indicates that Caylee was in the trunk for a lot longer or she was moved into the trunk well after decomp set in - well after. I'm not sure how the grave wax fits in but it was found on the paper towels in the trunk. And it does take quite awhile to form on the corpse.

[AnnieBell]

Order of the Whited Sephulcre.
( Hope doesn''t Spring eternally)

Now That would make a good title for a Horror/Fantasy/Crime Novel all rolled into one hellish genre.


What do you all think?



Oh....and Good Morning.....Late and busy night last night....may as well not even try to go to bed until tonight now.

Good Afternoon Ms. CelticDawn,

As for the novel it would probably depend on who wrote it. If the A-clan did it would just be wasting good paper and their take would all be about the consipiracy against mother of the year, ideal daughter, misunderstood princess,woman all the men love, couldn't resist and wanted to be with. Which by the way reminds me there is a book about this case hitting the bookstores soon who we're being told has no affliation with the Anthonys'.:wink:

[summer4meplz]

The first time I saw Cindy on tv almost a year ago I thought she was an abuser. Just a feeling I had.

jmo

I think the first time I heard cindy was when she being interviewed by greta on the phone and told greta she was tired and not to ask her any stupid questions.....I was really surprised...:scared:

[AnnieBell]

My bold

Where does the grave wax figure in with the 2.5 days in the trunk. Grave wax takes 30 days to accumulate on the corpse, although it could be quicker in warm weather from what I understand. I don't think it would be that quick tho. So, if the paper towels found in the trunk had grave wax on them it either indicates that Caylee was in the trunk for a lot longer or she was moved into the trunk well after decomp set in - well after. I'm not sure how the grave wax fits in but it was found on the paper towels in the trunk. And it does take quite awhile to form on the corpse.

If Caylee was initially hid somewhere else then later transfered to the trunk before her body was finally dumped this could explain some of this.

[desmom]

Someone asked why she got a tattoo in Italian…Its because her NEW boyfriend Tony is ITALIAN..Lazzaro!…She is a sociopath ..she plays the good girlfriend..that is why she stole money to grocery shop and cook and feed them beer…she used to be proud of being irish until she met Tony..she did that to IMPRESS him..she killed Caylee to BE WITH HIM….sociopath..truly!..She has no true sense of herself because her parents enabled her all her life…

Do you all remember her scribbles from the discovery in her bedroom - Casey Marie Lazarro, Mrs. Anthony Lazzarro - like a lovesick little puppy... and who could forget that on her little "doodle" she spelled his last name and didn't even know him well enough to know whether his name had one or two Z's in it!! Lee said she was a chameleon - I'm glad to know I wasn't the only one to think this...so sad...she is sick

I saved that one... page 30 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Anthony%20pgs%202751-2800%20f.pdf

Casey Lazzaro, Casey M. Lazzaro, Casey Anthony Lazzaro, Casey M. Anthony Lazzaro

[grammaw]

I have always wondered that too about the abuse.


jmoI have never thought she was abused,if anything she was spoiled rotten!Anyone that stole as much money from her family and was still living comfortably with them,was definitely not abused in my opinion.And one more thing,Spitzer better be careful with his analysis,or he'll be just as held in hign esteem as the one who (oops)lost a broken fingernail!

[margaritaville]

And this statement by George during the autopsy hearing...

"This last year has been an emotional strain for our entire family," said George. "The protection of our family's rights and privacy and emotional well-being, has been tossed aside over and over again."

What about Caylee's rights.
George when did you or Cindy ever look for Caylee???
Why have you and Cindy lied over and over again...was that to help catch the "real killer"?

Nut jobs...all of them!!!:cursing:


But, but, but.....

that is not what they think!

In the July 25th questioning of Cindy Anthony

Quote:

"I love my job I miss what i am doing. I hate my job right now. I hate this job, this is not what i signed up for as a Mother or Grandmother.
But you know what? Someone has to be out there and be Caylee's spokesperson"

[Barbara fl.]

I don't believe Cindy & George ever tried to "correct it."


No they didn't...that's how she became what she is....Until Caylee was born, then I believe that Cindy tried to push Casey into being a mother....but it was too late by then....

And I doubt that Casey would have let her mother take custody of Caylee because Casey wouldn't have been able to pretend to be such a loving mother if she allowed Cindy to get custody.....

It was a losing battle for poor Caylee.....

[5boxersmom]

Ok I found the pic with the other tattoo. Not a gun. I don't know where I got that from. Can't find the one of the shamrock.

Pic 28 You have to click on the doc of Casey and Caylee facebook photos.


http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://img.docstoc.com/thumb/206/1678749.png&imgrefurl=http://www.docstoc.com/search/Casey-Anthony-Party-Photos/&usg=__2nQSizBTCrOuazzfZWsXQS6hD74=&h=265&w=206&sz=58&hl=en&start=1&tbnid=qungnd-tWVfNjM:&tbnh=112&tbnw=87&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcasey%2Banthony%2Bbeach%26gbv%3D2%26h l%3Den