Tuesday June 23, 2009 #1

[desmom]

Thank you des. Glad to know my mind has not gone completley. :biggrin:

One has a sleeve on it? What is that?

I think George was being a guy in a house full of women. DH asked the other day why our son's girlfriend was wearing undergarments without a shirt. She was wearing layered camis. :lol:

IMO, he was describing a tee shirt style shirt vs. a tank top style.

[happy2bme]

Thanks desmom. I thought GA said that.

Casey also said Caylee was wearing the same thing in her written statement from the earlier link you posted.

So do you think GA really saw them or that he and Casey got their stories straight before she was arrested?

[5boxersmom]

I think George was being a guy in a house full of women. DH asked the other day why our son's girlfriend was wearing undergarments without a shirt. She was wearing layered camis. :lol:

IMO, he was describing a tee shirt style shirt vs. a tank top style.

Could be. Heck my dad doesn't know anything about what we are wearing now or when we were kids. My mom was working the night shift when I was a baby and he put my diaper on the outside of my pants. :blushing::lol: He too lived in a houseful of women.

[5boxersmom]

Casey also said Caylee was wearing the same thing in her written statement from the earlier link you posted.

So do you think GA really saw them or that he and Casey got their stories straight before she was arrested?

I wonder if the shorts found with the remains are a jean type or just the pull on type of shorts? Cindy probably told them what to say she was wearing. lol

jmo

[AnniePie]

Have you noticed that her "snarkiness" has gotten worse since the birth of the twins? She has these beautiful children who she obviously is in love with and completely adores. Yet she covers these grisley cases that involve murdering children. I've noticed since the twins came her outrage seems almost uncontainable. It's become like a personal vendentta to avenge these dead and abused children. She doesn't have a wit of tolerance for people on her panel that speak while wearing the "defense attorney" hat. Sometime I wonder if she is going to cross over completely, get up and walk off the set.

I agree, Mothie. I wonder how much more of this she can take.

(O/T but did anyone hear that Joy Bahar is doing a new talk show right after Neency coming soon? I would LOVE to see Joy and Cindy having a little chat!)

[happy2bme]

I wonder if the shorts found with the remains are a jean type or just the pull on type of shorts? Cindy probably told them what to say she was wearing. lol

jmo

LOL...Yes, how could I have forgotten "the script".:rolleyes:

[AnniePie]

She makes me squirm ... mainly because I just don't feel it's necessary to talk to people the way she does. I realize it's her schtick, but yikes.

What I really find fascinating is there's a defense expert left who will agree to do her show! Is the 30 seconds of air time really worth the brow beating? :laugh:

Hey... as we've seen by the antics of the Anthonys... some people will do ANYTHING to get their faces out there!

[*MoonRider*]

I agree, Mothie. I wonder how much more of this she can take.

(O/T but did anyone hear that Joy Bahar is doing a new talk show right after Neency coming soon? I would LOVE to see Joy and Cindy having a little chat!)
Joy's show is one that I will never watch even IF Cindy were on there.

[101Spots]

You know those pictures in magazines like National Geographic and nature programs on TV where a group of monkies would be grooming each other? That's what Cindy reminds me of. She grooms herself, she grooms George, she grooms Lee, she grooms anyone within grooming distance. Casey constantly grooms herself, too, her hair, her too-tight blouse, her hands, groom, groom, groom.

George does it too. In the tape made during one of the Anthonys' jailhouse visits, the one where Casey became irate, Cindy left her chair to go somewhere, God knows where, at one point. George started picking up things off of Cindy's chair while she was gone, and then when she came back, he picked something off of her back. Several somethings. I think they all have fleas.

It's quite annoying.

:lol::lol: <snort> :lol:

[EverMoth]

I think the duct tape had to be wrapped all the way around her head and overlap itself, because otherwise it would slough off with the flesh (Sorry, I know it's gross.) The hair is attached to the head by the scalp which would also decompose and the hair would all slough off. So, IMO, the tape had to be stuck on itself in order to stay on the skull after all the flesh had decomposed.

I too do not understand the mental contortions attempting to explain why the tape would be put on a dead body. I don't mean to insult anyone but it makes no sense to me. From what we know about Casey, she would most probably put the tape on a living Caylee and suffocate her without a second thought. La Vita Bella!!!!!!

my bold

Some have speculated that Casey, perhaps getting her ideas from the Madelain McCain case, adhered the tape after she killed Caylee to try and make it appear to be a kidnapping gone wrong.

[EverMoth]

You know those pictures in magazines like National Geographic and nature programs on TV where a group of monkies would be grooming each other? That's what Cindy reminds me of. She grooms herself, she grooms George, she grooms Lee, she grooms anyone within grooming distance. Casey constantly grooms herself, too, her hair, her too-tight blouse, her hands, groom, groom, groom.

George does it too. In the tape made during one of the Anthonys' jailhouse visits, the one where Casey became irate, Cindy left her chair to go somewhere, God knows where, at one point. George started picking up things off of Cindy's chair while she was gone, and then when she came back, he picked something off of her back. Several somethings. I think they all have fleas.

It's quite annoying.

:lol: God a real, honest to goodness, LOl from this post. Thanks for that! Just got back from lunch and needed a good laugh to get me through the next hour here.

[missinglink]

I wonder if the shorts found with the remains are a jean type or just the pull on type of shorts? Cindy probably told them what to say she was wearing. lol

jmo

If I remember right, I think the report just said the elastic was in the back, a flat front, 2 pockets in front, and 2 pockets in back. It said the pockets were empty. Not sure of the cloth material, jmo.

[EverMoth]

I agree, Mothie. I wonder how much more of this she can take.

(O/T but did anyone hear that Joy Bahar is doing a new talk show right after Neency coming soon? I would LOVE to see Joy and Cindy having a little chat!)

Oh YES! I didn't hear that Joy got her own show. Can't wait. Oh, the thought of her and Cindy. . .PRICELESS. I wouldn't want to miss that. I might even do popcorn!

[Kat4Eagles]

Let them play...The defense and the entire rest of the world already know what the cause of death is...CASEY MARIE ANTHONY


They are not going to have much else to work with, that's for sure.

Casey was almost able to buy just enough time to be home free.
If only Caylee had been found sooner.*

Kat
*not that this should have happened to her at all, of course.
:(

[Sun]

my bold

Some have speculated that Casey, perhaps getting her ideas from the Madelain McCain case, adhered the tape after she killed Caylee to try and make it appear to be a kidnapping gone wrong.

I'm not sure that I have enough yet to say whether or whether not the duct tape was applied before or after death. However, I do believe that it was applied to Caylee when she was "dry" ....and is one reason that I kind of discount any type of drowning theory. Almost. It gets fairly hot in Florida, and Caylee's hair could probably dry fairly quickly. But if the duct tape had some hair stuck to it, then the hair would have to have been dry at that time. Duct tape is sticky... but won't adher to wet surfaces.

[101Spots]

Yes, you really go around in circles trying to analyze the actions and motives of imaginary people and events. Can't wait to see the Anthonys, every finger of that creepy hand, on the stand.

The little finger of that hand won't be available. :crying:

[Kat4Eagles]

I think every guy who ever slept with Casey should line up outside the courthouse and take a DNA test until they find out who Caylee's father is......and then keep the results secret until the trial........and then announce there is a surprise witness when he is called to the stand to testify.......

<~looking for a bombshell moment!!

[anon-o-miss]

I think every guy who ever slept with Casey should line up outside the courthouse and take a DNA test until they find out who Caylee's father is......and then keep the results secret until the trial........and then announce there is a surprise witness when he is called to the stand to testify.......

<~looking for a bombshell moment!!
:thumbsup: Good idea but that would take some time. I think the trial would be done and over with by the time they finished DNA testing that bunch lol. Could you imagine how long that line would be?

[Chardonnay]

:thumbsup: Good idea but that would take some time. I think the trial would be done and over with by the time they finished DNA testing that bunch lol. Could you imagine how long that line would be?

Remember the next door neighbor man said she had guys lined up at her door from there to Toledo OH ? :tonguewag:

[seeing_eye]

I think every guy who ever slept with Casey should line up outside the courthouse and take a DNA test until they find out who Caylee's father is......and then keep the results secret until the trial........and then announce there is a surprise witness when he is called to the stand to testify.......

<~looking for a bombshell moment!!

And just how are they going to find all these guys? I don't imagine very many guys would own up to ever knowing Casey. Afraid of that bus, ya know!! :scared:

ETA: And most probably can't afford attorneys.

[Kat4Eagles]

:thumbsup: Good idea but that would take some time. I think the trial would be done and over with by the time they finished DNA testing that bunch lol. Could you imagine how long that line would be?

I actually wrote miles outside the courtroom, and then thought better of it !!
Oops!!
:lol:

Kat

[summer]

I think every guy who ever slept with Casey should line up outside the courthouse and take a DNA test until they find out who Caylee's father is......and then keep the results secret until the trial........and then announce there is a surprise witness when he is called to the stand to testify.......

<~looking for a bombshell moment!!

Exactly. It might be a lot but it's still a finite number. I can't believe this hasn't happened yet. Guess a lot of them won't come forward. :mad:

[enigma™]

I think every guy who ever slept with Casey should line up outside the courthouse and take a DNA test until they find out who Caylee's father is......and then keep the results secret until the trial........and then announce there is a surprise witness when he is called to the stand to testify.......

<~looking for a bombshell moment!!

A surprise witness to what, exactly? :rolleyes:

[Kat4Eagles]

And just how are they going to find all these guys? I don't imagine very many guys would own up to ever knowing Casey. Afraid of that bus, ya know!! :scared:

ETA: And most probably can't afford attorneys.


Okay, but somebody has to be Caylee's father!
I know the story that Casey has told is that the father is dead.
But, maybe he is not.
I bet a lot of guys have wondered about it, you think?
It would be horrible to learn that Caylee was theirs, only, after she was gone.

:(
Kat

[MissElainyS]

I have always wondered what Lee meant when he ask Casey if it was like the last time. :sneaky:

And once again, house of secrets and lies. Just another oddball thing to add to the list of quirky things that come out of these people's mouths. Anyone catch Marc Klaas last night on NG saying that these are the creepiest people he has ever encountered or something to that effect? Well done!

[*MoonRider*]

You know those pictures in magazines like National Geographic and nature programs on TV where a group of monkies would be grooming each other? That's what Cindy reminds me of. She grooms herself, she grooms George, she grooms Lee, she grooms anyone within grooming distance. Casey constantly grooms herself, too, her hair, her too-tight blouse, her hands, groom, groom, groom.

George does it too. In the tape made during one of the Anthonys' jailhouse visits, the one where Casey became irate, Cindy left her chair to go somewhere, God knows where, at one point. George started picking up things off of Cindy's chair while she was gone, and then when she came back, he picked something off of her back. Several somethings. I think they all have fleas.

It's quite annoying.

Post of the Day. :beer:

[MiamiNice1]

The lst news article I can find re: They haven`t even found the clothes she was wearing. was by WESH TV on 11/19 http://www.wesh.com/news/18009037/detail.html

Padilla was on NG the day before. It was an NG Bombshell:

And tonight, bombshell. We learn tot mom Casey Anthony, just before her final arrest, criticizes police and volunteer search efforts saying, quote, "They haven`t even found the clothes Caylee was wearing," clearly indicating tot mom knows Caylee not alive. Why would they find the clothes separate from the little girl? Think about it!

Here is a link to the transcript: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0811/18/ng.01.html
Thanks so much for the 1st link, des, as I had been wondering about that comment by Casey about "not finding the clothes yet." You're awesome with the links!

The second link, the transcript to the Nancy Grace show is good reading, knowing what we know now......

Dr. Perper felt the body had been in the car for at least 2 weeks, but am I correct in thinking that the most it could have been in the car would have been from June 16th to June 24th (when George surprised Casey by being home) and if Casey then got rid of the body - that would be 8 days.

Then again, Perper also says that the fluid leaking, even the size of a saucer could do it, too.


GRACE: Angie in Virginia wants to know why the car this many months later would still smell of human decomposition. Dr. Perper, could you rephrase that for us?

PERPER: Yes. What I`m saying is that the body had to be left there and decomposed for some long period of time, perhaps two weeks and perhaps more, because if the body had been just there for one or two days, the smell would have evaporated a long time ago.

GRACE: Why would it still be there, though, these many months later?

PERPER: Because -- because probably there was some body fluid which penetrated into the lining of the back of the car, and that`s from where those molecule are still ventilating in the air.

GRACE: Dr. Perper, I was reading George Anthony`s statement to police and he said he saw a stain in the trunk about the size of a saucer. Would that qualify as possibly...

PERPER: Yes. Sure. Yes, it would.

[*MoonRider*]

A surprise witness to what, exactly? :rolleyes:

His appearance would mean that he would be Caylee's next of kin and the A's won't be able to make any more money on her. jmo

[AnniePie]

Ah, carp! That's not a turtle sand box. Sorry. Thought sure I saw one. Must have been in my dreams. It has to be green and have legs. That's not it at all.

Don't feel bad, Carol. I thought I'd seen one too. :confused:

[MiamiNice1]

Again, thanks to desmom's link.....I found it interesting Marc Klaas' opinion on Tim Miller and KidFinders, as he describes them in comparison to his own organization:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0811/18/ng.01.html

GRACE: Mark Klaas, what do you think of the search so far?

KLAAS: Well, I am very critical of what`s going on. I can tell you right now that my.

GRACE: Why?

KLAAS: My organization will no longer be involved in this search, because here`s what you`ve got. You`ve got apparently three high-level search efforts going on. You`ve got Tim Miller`s search effort, you`ve got Leonard Padilla`s, and then you`ve got this kid.

GRACE: Kids Finders.

KLAAS: . this Kid Finders organization -- this Kid Finders, as well. None of them are working together, none of them are professional searchers, none of them seem to know what they`re doing.

We have on the one case Tim Miller has raised $50,000 to look for her. But he still doesn`t seem to be able to feed his searchers. Leonard Padilla is considering a $200,000 offer to have people go and follow him as they search, and quite frankly, you can`t take cameras on a search with you. You`re not supposed to give up the areas that you`re searching in.

I can tell you, Nancy, that the Klaaskids Foundation works on a $250,000 budget year in and year-out. And we`re constantly searching for people. We`re constantly finding people. We`re working with other organizations. We`re running two Web sites.

We`re putting out a quarterly newsletter. We`re running a grass roots effort. We`re rescuing victims of human trafficking. All over the course of a year, paying people to do something for the kind of money that these characters haven`t been able to find squat with.

[AnniePie]

Hello everyone I have not had a computer for a long time the lighting got my computer and it is in the shop so I am trying to use a lap top ha,I am so far behind now after the storm.
well we really had 3 storms but we or all ok and I am so gald to be where I can check on what is happening to casey, I sure have missed you all. Do they know when they will have a trial? I guess it will be a long time. I don;t know much about this lap top but maybe I can catch up on the news by reading all your post. I guess casey is still in jail and I hope she stayes there the rest of her life. bye for now be back later all jmho

We've missed you, Martha! Good to see you back. :seeya:

[enigma™]

His appearance would mean that he would be Caylee's next of kin and the A's won't be able to make any more money on her. jmo


That would be a good thing, but it won't put Casey in prison for the rest of her life. That is what I want to see. She needs to pay for her crime and the paternity of Caylee is not instrumental in getting to that end. MUO

[Kat4Eagles]

Remember the next door neighbor man said she had guys lined up at her door from there to Toledo OH ? :tonguewag:

I missed that !!
So, I guess it could be anyone....
I don't think it would hurt to find out for sure, though.

I hope this doesn't sound awful, but is there any way the person who Casey claimed to be the Dad, even if he passed away,still have their dna on file somewhere? Or their known blood type?
I don't mean to sound insensitive...or disrespectful.
But, if they were ruled in or out, that could clear this up.

And, if he did pass away, I wonder if there was ever a thought to bury Caylee with him?
Or, at least give her his name?

I am just curious!!

Kat

[AnniePie]

You know those pictures in magazines like National Geographic and nature programs on TV where a group of monkies would be grooming each other? That's what Cindy reminds me of. She grooms herself, she grooms George, she grooms Lee, she grooms anyone within grooming distance. Casey constantly grooms herself, too, her hair, her too-tight blouse, her hands, groom, groom, groom.

George does it too. In the tape made during one of the Anthonys' jailhouse visits, the one where Casey became irate, Cindy left her chair to go somewhere, God knows where, at one point. George started picking up things off of Cindy's chair while she was gone, and then when she came back, he picked something off of her back. Several somethings. I think they all have fleas.

It's quite annoying.

Oh my heavens, that is TOO funny! :laugh:

[seeing_eye]

Okay, but somebody has to be Caylee's father!
I know the story that Casey has told is that the father is dead.
But, maybe he is not.
I bet a lot of guys have wondered about it, you think?
It would be horrible to learn that Caylee was theirs, only, after she was gone.

:(
Kat

I would bet a hundred dollars (and I'm not a betting person) that Casey herself does not know who the father is.

[Kat4Eagles]

His appearance would mean that he would be Caylee's next of kin and the A's won't be able to make any more money on her. jmo


Boy, now that would be something!!

Good thinking, Moonrider!!

Kat

[MissElainyS]

I'm wondering....did CASEY ever say what clothes Caylee was wearing when she"dropped"Caylee off???? George says"jean shorts/skort and white top"when she left.

I think Casey was waitting for George to leave so she could come back to house.

I too think she killed her in a rage. Shook her,strangled her,smothered her. I think she taped her mouth shut because it wouldn't stay closed.

My mom died last Aug.29th.We were home with hospice and they told me how to handle different parts of the death in case no one else was there. It happened while we were alone. I closed her eyes and held her chin so her mouth was closed till the nurse got there. Otherwise it would have gaped open till rigor passed.

Casey is very inmature and I think she was mad at Cindy and G.M.

Cindy can lie all she wants but she chocked Casey the 15th. Cindys mom says Cindy told her.

Nanieliz---JMO

You may be on to something about Casey taping her up because her mouth would not stay closed post-mortem. And then placing a heart shaped sticker on there as a "so there!" gesture. I believe that Nancy Grace has seen photographs of the autopsy and knows first hand that the tape was wrapped clear around Caylee's head several times. I said this before that I thought this was the reason she has been saying this since the remains were found, even though people have challenged her on the duct tape issue. I think she knows because she has seen the photos. I wish we would be able to see the photos so that we can stop speculating. I can only speak for myself when I say that the duct tape issue haunts me and I would like to know one way or the other how the duct tape was found on this baby.

[jakee]

I'm not sure that I have enough yet to say whether or whether not the duct tape was applied before or after death. However, I do believe that it was applied to Caylee when she was "dry" ....and is one reason that I kind of discount any type of drowning theory. Almost. It gets fairly hot in Florida, and Caylee's hair could probably dry fairly quickly. But if the duct tape had some hair stuck to it, then the hair would have to have been dry at that time. Duct tape is sticky... but won't adher to wet surfaces.

This is true about the duct tape not sticking to wet surfaces. During the winter months a muffler or some such car part was dragging under my little beetle bug car and I tried duct taping it until I could get it to the shop. It didn't work, too wet from the snow. At least that is my reason. :laugh: I don't drive anymore.

I don't think Caylee drown either. I did for a long while because I really wanted to think it was an accident, not after hearing about the duct tape around her head.

[Kat4Eagles]

I would bet a hundred dollars (and I'm not a betting person) that Casey herself does not know who the father is.


Lol, I am a betting person but I wouldn't touch this one.!!
I just think it would be nice to have one mystery or one of Casey's "stories" cleared up......
Caylee deserved to know who her father was, good, bad or indifferent.

IMO

Kat

[AnniePie]

Oh YES! I didn't hear that Joy got her own show. Can't wait. Oh, the thought of her and Cindy. . .PRICELESS. I wouldn't want to miss that. I might even do popcorn!

I don't agree with Joy Bahar's politics, but I do think she doesn't take any carp when interviewing people. I'd love to see the Anthonys on her program. Where LK left off with "weird", I can see Joy just beating the answers out of them. It would be great!

[AnniePie]

I think every guy who ever slept with Casey should line up outside the courthouse and take a DNA test until they find out who Caylee's father is......and then keep the results secret until the trial........and then announce there is a surprise witness when he is called to the stand to testify.......

<~looking for a bombshell moment!!

Great idea Kat, but I think we'd all have died of old age by the time they got through that line-up.

Grannie Annie

[Kat4Eagles]

Great idea Kat, but I think we'd all have died of old age by the time they got through that line-up.

Grannie Annie


I will try to think of a way to narrow it down by categories or theme park rides.!!

Seriously, has George or Cindy ever been asked as to who they thought
fathered their grandchild?
No one tried to collect child support or anything like that?
Just "the father is deceased", end of story?
Strange..

Kat

[kanzz]

Some possibilities about Caylee's father:

1. He already knows.
2. He has realized the possibility, but has not come forward.
3. He's married.
4. He is a true unknown. Casey doesn't remember him, he doesn't remember her, and he's long gone.

There may be a young man out there somewhere who is broken-hearted knowing that his baby girl was murdered.

or maybe he's out there waiting for the criminal trial to finish so he can file a wrongful death.

Feel free to copy/paste & add to the list if you'd like. It doesn't matter to me if I'm quoted on this or not.

[*Serenity*]

Some possibilities about Caylee's father:

1. He already knows.
2. He has realized the possibility, but has not come forward.
3. He's married.
4. He is a true unknown. Casey doesn't remember him, he doesn't remember her, and he's long gone.

There may be a young man out there somewhere who is broken-hearted knowing that his baby girl was murdered.

or maybe he's out there waiting for the criminal trial to finish so he can file a wrongful death.

Feel free to copy/paste & add to the list if you'd like. It doesn't matter to me if I'm quoted on this or not.


I have always thought it was door number 2 **married + he knows**

[Rapunzel]

I have always thought it was door number 2 **married + he knows**


IIRC...it has been speculated that it could be about 3 or 4 different guys and they all died in car accidents...

[kanzz]

I have always thought it was door number 2 **married + he knows**

That's the way I lean, too. Haven't convinced myself, but it's my hunch. So, do you think he's funding the defense?

[Rapunzel]

Did you all hear that it was George Anthony who cut the cord on Caylee in the delivery room???

Sorry, I would never let me father in the delivery room, much less cut the cord...

I don't know, kind of weird to me.

[really3997]

Anyone watching JVM she started talking about Casey and my dish went out....

[Kat4Eagles]

IIRC...it has been speculated that it could be about 3 or 4 different guys and they all died in car accidents...


How convenient.......:rolleyes:
Thank you, Rapunzel, cute screen name!

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Did you all hear that it was George Anthony who cut the cord on Caylee in the delivery room???

Sorry, I would never let me father in the delivery room, much less cut the cord...

I don't know, kind of weird to me.

Nope, never heard this one.
Wow, the weirdness continues.

Kat

[kanzz]

Kanzz, so maybe it was just a one~nighter?, that would explain it too.
Good list, thank you!!
Kat

yup... could be. I guess that's what I should have said instead of 'unknown'. ;-)

[Imperfect4]

Weird, off the wall question ...

I'm watching JVM and listening to Cindy tell the 9-1-1 operator she wanted Casey arrested for stealing a car, and stealing money.

When did Casey steal a car? Is Cindy talking about the Pontiac?

Why would she accuse Casey of stealing the car she always used?

Does this have any meaning? Is there a *clue* or *red flag* here?

Anyone?

Mr. Bueller?

Anyone?

[AnniePie]

Did you all hear that it was George Anthony who cut the cord on Caylee in the delivery room???

Sorry, I would never let me father in the delivery room, much less cut the cord...

I don't know, kind of weird to me.

Rapunzel, there isn't one single thing about this family that ISN'T weird. :scared:

[frances1]

Did you all hear that it was George Anthony who cut the cord on Caylee in the delivery room???

Sorry, I would never let me father in the delivery room, much less cut the cord...

I don't know, kind of weird to me.

Rapunzel, I had forgotten about that, but I do remember it. How creepy!!!!! This family has more bizarre aspects than can be counted.

[kanzz]

Did you all hear that it was George Anthony who cut the cord on Caylee in the delivery room???

Sorry, I would never let me father in the delivery room, much less cut the cord...

I don't know, kind of weird to me.

OK. I like to think I'm pretty open-minded, and I totally view the birth process as a wholesome and joyful time; however, I would never ever want my father anywhere near the delivery room.

Is Lee the only person who has been ruled out as the father???

[Imperfect4]

Did you all hear that it was George Anthony who cut the cord on Caylee in the delivery room???

Sorry, I would never let me father in the delivery room, much less cut the cord...

I don't know, kind of weird to me.

LKL: Weird.

Imp: Freak. Show.

[Imperfect4]

OK. I like to think I'm pretty open-minded, and I totally view the birth process as a wholesome and joyful time; however, I would never ever want my father anywhere near the delivery room.

Is Lee the only person who has been ruled out as the father???

That we know of.

Edited to add: Forgot Jesse Grund. We know for sure Lee and Jesse have been ruled out.

[JHP]

Did you all hear that it was George Anthony who cut the cord on Caylee in the delivery room???

Sorry, I would never let me father in the delivery room, much less cut the cord...

I don't know, kind of weird to me.

I hope LE interviewed the people in the delivery room. Cindy started out with her story of how Caylee was handed to her. I thought that was quite strange. But what isn't?

Not that Cindy held her first, but that Cindy was telling that story from the start.

[Kat4Eagles]

a "bombshell", yes, but only if we were writing out own Lifetime Movie Script!

Unfortunately, that would not be the kind of witness that could be hidden as a suprise (unless he were just discovered the night before) and, he would be a witness to nothing.


I am sure someday this will be a Lifetime Movie, but that wasn't what I was going for..

I was thinking that whoever fathered a child with Casey would be a witness to her character and could shed some light on the whole Caylee situation, if they were even aware of it.....

That's all I meant, I guess we will never know.

Thank you for the replies.!!

Kat

[kanzz]

That we know of.

If you could see the look on my face right now, you'd know how repulsed I am by my own thoughts. Been thinking them for a while - and I know I'm not the only one - but I try to squelch them every time. Tell me I'm wrong... please.

[Rapunzel]

OK. I like to think I'm pretty open-minded, and I totally view the birth process as a wholesome and joyful time; however, I would never ever want my father anywhere near the delivery room.

Is Lee the only person who has been ruled out as the father???

Well, the weird thing for me was at the time Jessie was thought to be the father...why wasn't it him in there...and of course Cindy couldn't stand Jessie so...Cindy prolly orchestrated the whole thing including her being the first to hold Caylee...

What a bunch of nut jobs!!!

[*Serenity*]

IIRC...it has been speculated that it could be about 3 or 4 different guys and they all died in car accidents...

Ironic that all 3 possibles died in car wrecks... lol
boy oh boy-- the lies that they weave.

I think the father is married and knows for my first choice, and then second choice is Casey really don't know after a night, week, or few weeks of being with so many.

[kanzz]

Well, the weird thing for me was at the time Jessie was thought to be the father...why wasn't it him in there...and of course Cindy couldn't stand Jessie so...Cindy prolly orchestrated the whole thing including her being the first to hold Caylee...

What a bunch of nut jobs!!!

I had forgotten (if I ever knew), that Casey was with Jesse when Caylee was born. In that case, he should have been the only person in the delivery room with her, imo.

[sunstar]

Anyone watching JVM she started talking about Casey and my dish went out....

Hi! :seeya: yes, I caught part of it ~ mostly about the check fraud charges being tried before the murder trial and one of her guests (a defense lawyer I guess) thinks it's wrong. MOO

[*Serenity*]

That's the way I lean, too. Haven't convinced myself, but it's my hunch. So, do you think he's funding the defense?
If it's a married cop -- great possiblity to keep Crazy silenced.
I think she was in bed with quite a few from the PD... at least
we know of two.

[Kat4Eagles]

I hope LE interviewed the people in the delivery room. Cindy started out with her story of how Caylee was handed to her. I thought that was quite strange. But what isn't?

Not that Cindy held her first, but that Cindy was telling that story from the start.


So, George cuts the cord, and Cindy gets to hold the baby, wow, someone is going to have a field day saying Casey was left out and that's where all her problems started!!

Not.!!

Kat

[anon-o-miss]

Weird, off the wall question ...

I'm watching JVM and listening to Cindy tell the 9-1-1 operator she wanted Casey arrested for stealing a car, and stealing money.

When did Casey steal a car? Is Cindy talking about the Pontiac?

Why would she accuse Casey of stealing the car she always used?

Does this have any meaning? Is there a *clue* or *red flag* here?

Anyone?

Mr. Bueller?

Anyone?
I think she was trying to scare Casey into telling her where Caylee was. I don't think she wanted anyone to know that Caylee was missing just in case Casey had done something. It worked well enough to get Casey to concoct her first story. I think if Casey didn't stonewall her mother and actually told Cindy the truth the first night things would have gone very differently and the police may not have been called (at least not by Cindy). The reason I say that is that Cindy vaguely refrences that she doesn't know where her grandaughter is but is adamant about the money and the car. Then when Lee visited Casey in jail he gave a list of his "priorities"
1. Caylee
2. Casey
3. Cindy
4. George
Then he asks if he should change his priorities. I took that to mean should he forget Caylee because she's not coming back and put Casey as priority #1.

[seeing_eye]

If it's a married cop -- great possiblity to keep Crazy silenced.
I think she was in bed with quite a few from the PD... at least
we know of two.

The peace officers I've known do not make the kind of money financing Caylee's defense.

[sunstar]

Weird, off the wall question ...

I'm watching JVM and listening to Cindy tell the 9-1-1 operator she wanted Casey arrested for stealing a car, and stealing money.

When did Casey steal a car? Is Cindy talking about the Pontiac?

Why would she accuse Casey of stealing the car she always used?

Does this have any meaning? Is there a *clue* or *red flag* here?

Anyone?

Mr. Bueller?

Anyone?

I thought it was because she was angry that she and George had to bail it out of impound and maybe it was a way of getting Casey to tell them where Caylee was. I also think the car was still registered to them and they paid the insurance. I'd probably be mad too! :biggrin: MOO

[*Serenity*]

The peace officers I've known do not make the kind of money financing Caylee's defense.

Could have mortgaged the house or went to his parents with his Crazy problem.

I thought back sometime ago LE or the media did state they know who the father is. I would have to search posts here, but I do recall the buzz.

[Jester]

Someone asked why she got a tattoo in Italian…Its because her NEW boyfriend Tony is ITALIAN..Lazzaro!…She is a sociopath ..she plays the good girlfriend..that is why she stole money to grocery shop and cook and feed them beer…she used to be proud of being irish until she met Tony..she did that to IMPRESS him..she killed Caylee to BE WITH HIM….sociopath..truly!..She has no true sense of herself because her parents enabled her all her life…

Do you all remember her scribbles from the discovery in her bedroom - Casey Marie Lazarro, Mrs. Anthony Lazzarro - like a lovesick little puppy... and who could forget that on her little "doodle" she spelled his last name and didn't even know him well enough to know whether his name had one or two Z's in it!! Lee said she was a chameleon - I'm glad to know I wasn't the only one to think this...so sad...she is sick

I had forgotten all about that ... thanks for the absurd mental image ... Mrs Anthony Lazarro ... the 22 year old woman with childlike fantasies and no personality except that which she borrows from others. Is he even Italian? Did she really envision a future after committing murder? What a dumb woman she is.

[anon-o-miss]

I had forgotten (if I ever knew), that Casey was with Jesse when Caylee was born. In that case, he should have been the only person in the delivery room with her, imo.
When I had my first child my husband and my mother were in the delivery room. But there is NO WAY I would have been comfortable with my dad there. Can you say Awkward? lol I wonder why Jesse wasn't there? Can anyone shed any light on that?

[JHP]

Could have mortgaged the house or went to his parents with his Crazy problem.

I thought back sometime ago LE or the media did state they know who the father is. I would have to search posts here, but I do recall the buzz.

I recall that also. I'm surprised he hasn't come forward. Although maybe he doesn't want to. And could you blame him?

[seeing_eye]

Weird, off the wall question ...

I'm watching JVM and listening to Cindy tell the 9-1-1 operator she wanted Casey arrested for stealing a car, and stealing money.

When did Casey steal a car? Is Cindy talking about the Pontiac?

Why would she accuse Casey of stealing the car she always used?

Does this have any meaning? Is there a *clue* or *red flag* here?

Anyone?

Mr. Bueller?

Anyone?

I think Cindy was referring to the Pontiac. Casey had been "out of pocket" for a month (though she supposedly kept in touch by phone). They had allowed Casey to use the car, but it belonged to Cindy. I think C&G decided to "repo" it to bring Casey in line. Remember C & G removing the battery after they got the car home from the tow yard? They were trying to insure that Casey didn't come back and repossess it.

[Jester]

I just think the whole concept of "rating" someone on their looks is absolutely ridiculous! Seriously... how many of us talk about someone and rate them?? The whole family is just a train wreck. Just not sure who is the caboose in this family!!! JMO

It's truly unbelievable. I could not imagine having a nanny and sizing her up for where she ranks on the Bo Derek scale of 10. That is the reality that Cindy and George live - slapping numbers on to women based on what they find attractive. I hope all their friends ask them what number they get.

[Rapunzel]

It's truly unbelievable. I could not imagine having a nanny and sizing her up for where she ranks on the Bo Derek scale of 10. That is the reality that Cindy and George live - slapping numbers on to women based on what they find attractive. I hope all their friends ask them what number they get.


Excuse me...they have no friends.

[kanzz]

When I had my first child my husband and my mother were in the delivery room. But there is NO WAY I would have been comfortable with my dad there. Can you say Awkward? lol I wonder why Jesse wasn't there? Can anyone shed any light on that?

I can see why you would have been ok with your mother there. I was thinking of my mother when I said I thought Jesse should've been the only one in there - LOL. Nobody would want my mother there!

[summer]

IIRC...it has been speculated that it could be about 3 or 4 different guys and they all died in car accidents...

LOL, kinda sounds like the spinal tap drummers. :mellow:

[Imperfect4]

If you could see the look on my face right now, you'd know how repulsed I am by my own thoughts. Been thinking them for a while - and I know I'm not the only one - but I try to squelch them every time. Tell me I'm wrong... please.

Yeah, well ... :scared:

FWIW, I don't think he's the baby daddy.

The problem is that this family's behavior is so bizarre, and their word so completely unreliable, that it makes literally anything possible.

[JHP]

Excuse me...they have no friends.

Wait... what about the Mils? And we know that whole family is 10's:wink:

[summer]

Well I know they spontaneous combusted but one by one... oh never mind. :smile:

[anon-o-miss]

I can see why you would have been ok with your mother there. I was thinking of my mother when I said I thought Jesse should've been the only one in there - LOL. Nobody would want my mother there!
:thumbsup::laugh:

[Unleashed]

Wait... what about the Mils? And we know that whole family is 10's:wink:

And they have THOUSANDS of supporters, let's not forget that!

JMO

[kanzz]

Yeah, well ... :scared:

FWIW, I don't think he's the baby daddy.

The problem is that this family's behavior is so bizarre, and their word so completely unreliable, that it makes literally anything possible.

Yeah, you're so right. It's those ppl that creep me out, and it causes me to think creepy thoughts.

[Rapunzel]

I can't shed any light on it but I would bet that if Jesse were asked that question he's one unfortunate soul in this whole sordid drama who would give you a straight answer.

Because Cindy saw KC and Jessie laying on the bed together watching TV in the bedroom and they weren't married and that made Jessie a scum and she wanted to deny Jessie and have nothing to do with the birth....JMO

[summer]

she would not be the first woman who murdered a child for a man.

It would be perfectly logical given her pathology but the funny thing is I feel certain she didn't murder for that reason.

She hated her mother more than she loved Tony.

Bwahaha, the whole family and their equivalents - never heard anyone talk like that.

Even Shirley is in on the act.

[sammy62]

If you could see the look on my face right now, you'd know how repulsed I am by my own thoughts. Been thinking them for a while - and I know I'm not the only one - but I try to squelch them every time. Tell me I'm wrong... please.

there are some great utube video's on this subject by albatross. I'm not sure if I can put the link here....but if you can't find it....I can pm it to you

[summer]

Cindy: Casey loves Caylee more than I love Casey

Shirley: Casey hated her mother more than she loved Caylee

Who in the heck talks like that? :confused:

[seeing_eye]

It would be perfectly logical given her pathology but the funny thing is I feel certain she didn't murder for that reason.

She hated her mother more than she loved Tony.

Bwahaha, the whole family and their equivalents - never heard anyone talk like that.

Even Shirley is in on the act.

Shirley's in on the act? What has she done?

(Besides produce Cindy.)

[Rapunzel]

It would be perfectly logical given her pathology but the funny thing is I feel certain she didn't murder for that reason.

She hated her mother more than she loved Tony.

Bwahaha, the whole family and their equivalents - never heard anyone talk like that.

Even Shirley is in on the act.


I have said before that Cindy's parents seem like nice people but wonder what Cindy's childhood was like as Cindy most likely learned her behavior from somewhere.

[kanzz]

there are some great utube video's on this subject by albatross. I'm not sure if I can put the link here....but if you can't find it....I can pm it to you

Thanks.. if I can't find it, I'll holla at ya.

[Rapunzel]

Cindy: Casey loves Caylee more than I love Casey

Shirley: Casey hated her mother more than she loved Caylee

Who in the heck talks like that? :confused:


Uhm...the Anthony's???
That's right isn't it???
Come on...is there a prize???

[summer]

I have said before that Cindy's parents seem like nice people but wonder what Cindy's childhood was like as Cindy most likely learned her behavior from somewhere.

I'll tread lightly, but I've wondered the same myself. People do mellow out as they age... mouf shut now.

[summer]

Shirley's in on the act? What has she done?

(Besides produce Cindy.)

I'm sure you saw my answer by now. :smile:

It's probably just the tip of the iceberg. They probably have hundreds of them flying around that househole. OK that's a typo but I'm not gonna fix it. :glare:

[seeing_eye]

I have said before that Cindy's parents seem like nice people but wonder what Cindy's childhood was like as Cindy most likely learned her behavior from somewhere.

Shirley appeared to me to be a reasonable person and of good character. She obviously did something right in raising Rick (don't know about any other siblings). Don't know what may have happened to Cindy.

[summer]

Uhm...the Anthony's???
That's right isn't it???
Come on...is there a prize???

Sure hon!

Chocolate?

Crab puffs?

Shrimp cocktail?

[Elle]

Because Cindy saw KC and Jessie laying on the bed together watching TV in the bedroom and they weren't married and that made Jessie a scum and she wanted to deny Jessie and have nothing to do with the birth....JMO

The bed incident did not happen until after Caylee was born, and George stated in one of his interviews, I think it was the OC, that he and Cindy had just come home, as they had been out and trying to work on getting back together. George stated he was extremely upset and wanted to go right in and deal with Jesse, but Cindy told him no, and that she would go in and talk with them. I do not recall reading anywhere that Cindy did not want Jesse to have anything to do with the birth, I only recall George stating that the first time he met Jesse was at the hospital and he did not like him, that he left a very bad first impression. That is when George went into his talk about how important good first impressions are, and that he (George) was trying to make a good one with them, just as he had done with the FBI.

In defense of both of them in regards to the bed, they had rules, it was their house. Casey knew the rules. It did not matter if she liked them or not. If she had a problem, she could have gotten her a** a real job and moved out. I grew up with the same rule, no guys in my bedroom, period.

[sammy62]

Shirley appeared to me to be a reasonable person and of good character. She obviously did something right in raising Rick (don't know about any other siblings). Don't know what may have happened to Cindy.

Have you ever read Rick's emails. He is something to be desired too.

I'd have to look for them if you want me to.

[Imperfect4]

Cindy: Casey loves Caylee more than I love Casey

Shirley: Casey hated her mother more than she loved Caylee

Who in the heck talks like that? :confused:

What? Your folks didn't own a Parental Love Quantifier? I thought all families used one. I think it's very healthy for a family to sit around discussing who loves who more, who loves who less, who hates who more than they love someone else. :rolleyes:

[sammy62]

What? Your folks didn't own a Parental Love Quantifier? I thought all families used one. I think it's very healthy for a family to sit around discussing who loves who more, who loves who less, who hates who more than they love someone else. :rolleyes:

whew...sure glad we have a small family. :thumbsup:

[summer]

What? Your folks didn't own a Parental Love Quantifier? I thought all families used one. I think it's very healthy for a family to sit around discussing who loves who more, who loves who less, who hates who more than they love someone else. :rolleyes:

Parental Love Quantifier! You complete me! :wub:

[Imperfect4]

The bed incident did not happen until after Caylee was born, and George stated in one of his interviews, I think it was the OC, that he and Cindy had just come home, as they had been out and trying to work on getting back together. George stated he was extremely upset and wanted to go right in and deal with Jesse, but Cindy told him no, and that she would go in and talk with them. I do not recall reading anywhere that Cindy did not want Jesse to have anything to do with the birth, I only recall George stating that the first time he met Jesse was at the hospital and he did not like him, that he left a very bad first impression. That is when George went into his talk about how important good first impressions are, and that he (George) was trying to make a good one with them, just as he had done with the FBI.

In defense of both of them in regards to the bed, they had rules, it was their house. Casey knew the rules. It did not matter if she liked them or not. If she had a problem, she could have gotten her a** a real job and moved out. I grew up with the same rule, no guys in my bedroom, period.

My bolding. I don't necessarily disagree. However, I would think a more helpful set of rules, perhaps applied when Casey was a child, and perhaps role modeled by her parents, would start with: Thou Shalt Not Lie.

Pardon my raging skepticism about Anthony Household Rules. :rolleyes:

[sammy62]

here are rick and cindy's emails. they are pretty nasty.

http://humbleopinion.wordpress.com/2008/11/27/rick-plesea-and-cindys-emails :thumbdown:

[Imperfect4]

Parental Love Quantifier! You complete me! :wub:

Twins separated at birth, my sista! :wub:

[summer]

My impression of them is Rick started out pretty mellow, considering, but they escalated as he became more and more frustrated. I can't fault him.

[Imperfect4]

My impression of them is Rick started out pretty mellow, considering, but they escalated as he became more and more frustrated. I can't fault him.

I thank brother Rick from the bottom of my nosy little heart that his frustration gave us some much desired insight into Ant family dynamics.

Having said that, the dude is harsh. Which I suspect gives us insight into Plesea family dynamics while lil Cindy was growing up.

[sunstar]

I thought that when you are arrested that any identifying marks are photographed.

Why would the state need to photograph the tattoo if the jail already has a picture of it?

That doesn't make since to me.

I thought that was true too, but now I'm wondering if it's just when the convicted inmate goes to state prison? :shrug:

[summer]

I thank brother Rick from the bottom of my nosy little heart that his frustration gave us some much desired insight into Ant family dynamics.

Having said that, the dude is harsh. Which I suspect gives us insight into Plesea family dynamics while lil Cindy was growing up.

Well he was plenty concerned and he blew his top with the insanity Cindy presented. I'm probably in the minority in thinking his responses were appropriate to the situation, but you still complete me.

[sunstar]

Help me out here please.

When was the anything but clothes party?

Casey got the tattoo on or about July 2nd or 3rd?

In all of those pictures of that party, I have not seen that tattoo.

Has any one else or are my dates off.

TIA
IIRC, that party was before Caylee went missing. :smile:

[Elle]

My bolding. I don't necessarily disagree. However, I would think a more helpful set of rules, perhaps applied when Casey was a child, and perhaps role modeled by her parents, would start with: Thou Shalt Not Lie.

Pardon my raging skepticism about Anthony Household Rules. :rolleyes:


Oh absolutely. I agree with you. I am not by any means speaking in general, I am only speaking to this one incident and how my parents would have reacted the same way. It is very odd though the things that they called Casey out on, stealing and lying did not appear to be high up on their 'things not to do' list.

[Rapunzel]

Sure hon!

Chocolate?

Crab puffs?

Shrimp cocktail?

I'll take the crab puffs...does a night at the Ritz come with that???

[summer]

Oh absolutely. I agree with you. I am not by any means speaking in general, I am only speaking to this one incident and how my parents would have reacted the same way. It is very odd though the things that they called Casey out on, stealing and lying did not appear to be high up on their 'things not to do' list.

IIRC they were on the bed fully clothed hanging out watching TV with Caylee? It wasn't nice at all what her parents did and the way they did it. Cruel.

[Explorer]

Did anyone hear on Nancy Grace tonight that the Chris Colman procecutor is going to do a toxology on the bodies? I thought I heard them say that Baden did the autopsy and didnt do a toxology and officials changed their minds and ordered a toxology? Did anyone hear that?

[summer]

I'll take the crab puffs...does a night at the Ritz come with that???

Hard negotiator aren't ya? OK, and I'll leave the light on.

[seeing_eye]

Have you ever read Rick's emails. He is something to be desired too.

I'd have to look for them if you want me to.

I've read Rick's emails. From what I remember, he seemed like a reasonable character. And he certainly seemed to have pegged Casey correctly. Maybe I missed some?

[anon-o-miss]

I'll tread lightly, but I've wondered the same myself. People do mellow out as they age... mouf shut now.

True enough, but in fairness I do personally know people who come from great loving homes, and are still not very good people. Just like there are people from awful, unloving, unstable homes that are great people. Environment plays a big part but there are exceptions to every rule.

[Pam1569]

I thought that when you are arrested that any identifying marks are photographed.

Why would the state need to photograph the tattoo if the jail already has a picture of it?

That doesn't make since to me.

Hi 2witchy, IIRC watching the History channel once they were talking about taking tattoo pics of incoming inmates when they were gang affiliated. Maybe then LE and the jail only take pictures of gang members to get the new tattoo designs in there records and since the creature doesn't belong to a gang hence no picture. jmo

[Rapunzel]

Oh absolutely. I agree with you. I am not by any means speaking in general, I am only speaking to this one incident and how my parents would have reacted the same way. It is very odd though the things that they called Casey out on, stealing and lying did not appear to be high up on their 'things not to do' list.

I guess that is what I was trying to say...badly I guess. When Cindy was confronted with KC paying Jessie back with a bad check...Cindy said, well she only did it once. She looked the other way when she lied, cheated, stole and murdered...but don't lie on the bed with someone and not be married....pleeeeese

[summer]

True enough, but in fairness I do personally know people who come from great loving homes, and are still not very good people. Just like there are people from awful, unloving, unstable homes that are great people. Environment plays a big part but there are exceptions to every rule.

Yes, I want to be fair to Shirley -- she's a true character alright and seems to be a good egg. This is another nuture vs nature thing and who knows?

[anon-o-miss]

What? Your folks didn't own a Parental Love Quantifier? I thought all families used one. I think it's very healthy for a family to sit around discussing who loves who more, who loves who less, who hates who more than they love someone else. :rolleyes:
:thumbsup: Too funny. I thought it was a strange comment to make when Cindy said Casey loves Caylee more than Cindy loves Casey. What an awful thing for a parent to say. I would be hurt if my mother said that. I think Cindy just loves to give little digs to Casey anyway she can. I thank my lucky stars everyday I was not cursed to be born into that family. It must have been like growing up in a cannabalistic shark tank.

[Imperfect4]

Well he was plenty concerned and he blew his top with the insanity Cindy presented. I'm probably in the minority in thinking his responses were appropriate to the situation, but you still complete me.

ROFL! (You're in the majority, actually.)

[True2Blues]

I've read Rick's emails. From what I remember, he seemed like a reasonable character. And he certainly seemed to have pegged Casey correctly. Maybe I missed some?

I read those emails too and The brother and Mother seemed pretty normal to me. The one thing I did notice, was that there was always an excuse for Cindy's behavior. Her mother called her the most caring, the one always willing to put herself out for others, generous, hard working etc. Rick said she was 'stupid' and believed anything Casey or George said.

I'd say Cindy was a bit spoiled and always given the benefit of the doubt by her family. I'd say she probably pulled some fast ones on Mom and Dad in her time.

I don;'t doubt that she was hard working, since she supported the entire family, but I have certainly not seen any evidence that Cindy has any of the other qualities her Mother attributes to her. Could be Cindy let the spoiling go to her head and went overboard with it, or maybe she looks down somewhat on her parents and decided she could be a better wife and mother and was going to have the perfect family no matter what.:shrug:

[anon-o-miss]

My bolding. I don't necessarily disagree. However, I would think a more helpful set of rules, perhaps applied when Casey was a child, and perhaps role modeled by her parents, would start with: Thou Shalt Not Lie.

Pardon my raging skepticism about Anthony Household Rules. :rolleyes:
Forget the lying. Thou shalt not kill is an important one they seem to have glossed over as well.

[kanzz]

This just creeps me out...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31448742/ns/local_news-orlando_fl/

From the link....

"Whoever did this put the duct tape over the child's mouth. I wouldn't be surprised if the child actually died from suffocation, but what's more important I think is when you bring in the chemical analysis of the trunk into play, when you actually read the analysis from the trunk, it says there's higher levels of a certain compound that is present when a person is dying from suffocation -- which is a lack of oxygen. All in all, I think that's why the state is seeking the death penalty is because Caylee Anthony, no matter how she died, whether it was from the duct tape of from being in the trunk, suffered. For a few minutes, she knew she was dying. She knew she was in pain. She suffered tremendously," defense attorney Richard Hornsby said.

That makes me really sad.

I don't totally agree with Hornsby on this. When I read the report, I did not find anything that siad to me "there’s higher levels of a certain compound that is present when a person is dying from suffocation".I think they've taken the "lack of oxygen" phrase out of context and jumped to an erroneous conclusion. I believe the lack of oxygen was possibly due to the fact that the body was bagged while in the trunk. IIRC, that phrase was with regards to the decomposition.

I don't think anyone except Casey will ever truly know if Caylee suffered or not.

[kelloggirl]

I found everything became much, much more clear in regards to this case, when I ignored every single statement that every single Anthony made.

They are all liars. They have, and continue to try to mislead everyone.

Well said, Sun. I agree. :thumbup: They are the lyingest bunch of liars that ever lied.

[seeing_eye]

:thumbsup: Too funny. I thought it was a strange comment to make when Cindy said Casey loves Caylee more than Cindy loves Casey. What an awful thing for a parent to say. I would be hurt if my mother said that. I think Cindy just loves to give little digs to Casey anyway she can. I thank my lucky stars everyday I was not cursed to be born into that family. It must have been like growing up in a cannabalistic shark tank.

Cannibalistic shark tank?? What an appropriate description of the Ant family! :laugh:

[bchand]

Well he was plenty concerned and he blew his top with the insanity Cindy presented. I'm probably in the minority in thinking his responses were appropriate to the situation, but you still complete me.

Then I'm in the minority with you.

He was pleading with her to get real. IMO he was speaking for her entire family too. She was just too stubborn to listen.

He knew what she looked like in the public also (as did her mother) and was trying his best to tell her.

I have no idea what kind of person he is but in that situation I think he was right.

[Imperfect4]

I'm glad someone finally said it.

I mean if we keep attributing some of Casey's behavior to having been raised by Cindy, to whom do we attirbute Cindy's behavior?

Evil incarnate?

[denjet]

You know those pictures in magazines like National Geographic and nature programs on TV where a group of monkies would be grooming each other? That's what Cindy reminds me of. She grooms herself, she grooms George, she grooms Lee, she grooms anyone within grooming distance. Casey constantly grooms herself, too, her hair, her too-tight blouse, her hands, groom, groom, groom.

George does it too. In the tape made during one of the Anthonys' jailhouse visits, the one where Casey became irate, Cindy left her chair to go somewhere, God knows where, at one point. George started picking up things off of Cindy's chair while she was gone, and then when she came back, he picked something off of her back. Several somethings. I think they all have fleas.

It's quite annoying.

Hi My!
Sorry for the late replay, but I just got such a kick out of yours!
You're right, it IS very annoying ...

The Ants are so all about appearances and looking their best that they don't even realize how ridiculous and at times, disrespectful, their constant "grooming" looks like.

And why hasn't Jose told his client how distracting and disrespectful in court it is to be constantly primping and how uninterested she appears to be with the hearing that she's in ... :rolleyes:

[bchand]

:thumbsup: Too funny. I thought it was a strange comment to make when Cindy said Casey loves Caylee more than Cindy loves Casey. What an awful thing for a parent to say. I would be hurt if my mother said that. I think Cindy just loves to give little digs to Casey anyway she can. I thank my lucky stars everyday I was not cursed to be born into that family. It must have been like growing up in a cannabalistic shark tank.

How about Lee walking into Tony's apt and telling him he wished he had met them before they got involved with his lying, thieving sister?

He would have warned Tony off. Wadda close family.

[Rapunzel]

I don't totally agree with Hornsby on this. When I read the report, I did not find anything that siad to me "there’s higher levels of a certain compound that is present when a person is dying from suffocation".I think they've taken the "lack of oxygen" phrase out of context and jumped to an erroneous conclusion. I believe the lack of oxygen was possibly due to the fact that the body was bagged while in the trunk. IIRC, that phrase was with regards to the decomposition.

I don't think anyone except Casey will ever truly know if Caylee suffered or not.

:sad::sad::sad:

[Imperfect4]

IIRC they were on the bed fully clothed hanging out watching TV with Caylee? It wasn't nice at all what her parents did and the way they did it. Cruel.

It was the righteous way Cindy told the story to LE that put me round the bend.

And God bless her if she didn't manage to get a dig in at George at the same time she was waxing poetic about her House Rules. The reason she gave LE for handling the situation herself rather than allowing George to handle it, was because he wasn't living there at the time and was therefore not the Man of the House and not entitled to dress Jesse down for having the nerve to lie on the bed fully clothed with the Virgin Mary.

You just can't make this stuff up. Seriously.

[Rapunzel]

Cannibalistic shark tank?? What an appropriate description of the Ant family! :laugh:

Well if KC loves Caylee more then Cindy loves KC...never mind we all know how that turned out.

KC you're in deep doo doo

[seeing_eye]

I don't totally agree with Hornsby on this. When I read the report, I did not find anything that siad to me "there’s higher levels of a certain compound that is present when a person is dying from suffocation".I think they've taken the "lack of oxygen" phrase out of context and jumped to an erroneous conclusion. I believe the lack of oxygen was possibly due to the fact that the body was bagged while in the trunk. IIRC, that phrase was with regards to the decomposition.

I don't think anyone except Casey will ever truly know if Caylee suffered or not.

I think you're right in your interpretation of the report. I think it does refer to a lack of oxygen during the decomposition and not while a person is dying. I have to admit I was mistaken when I first read the report and got the same meaning as Hornsby, but after reading it again I saw that I was wrong.

[Imperfect4]

:thumbsup: Too funny. I thought it was a strange comment to make when Cindy said Casey loves Caylee more than Cindy loves Casey. What an awful thing for a parent to say. I would be hurt if my mother said that. I think Cindy just loves to give little digs to Casey anyway she can. I thank my lucky stars everyday I was not cursed to be born into that family. It must have been like growing up in a cannabalistic shark tank.

The woman made the "Casey loves Caylee more than I love Casey" crack in front of media cameras, no less. Possibly even on a national TV show, though I don't remember exactly.

Nothing like parading your sick, twisted dysfunction in plain view of anyone with a TV or computer.

[Imperfect4]

Forget the lying. Thou shalt not kill is an important one they seem to have glossed over as well.

Maybe if they began at the beginning, with the lying, the behavior never would've escalated to killing, eh?

[Elle]

IIRC they were on the bed fully clothed hanging out watching TV with Caylee? It wasn't nice at all what her parents did and the way they did it. Cruel.

Casey knew the rules and deliberately challenged them on it. Why is it Cindy and George who are at fault when Casey deliberately broke the rule. I wish they had more rules, and followed through on basic teachings on morals and ethics.

I think they were cruel in not holding Casey accountable for so many of her actions, instead turning blind eye and kissing her a**, that to me is truly cruel.

I don't have a problem with the house rule they had or how it was handled, I do have a problem with George and Cindy adhering to certain rules and having there be consequences, while letting other rules be broken with no consequences. There appears to have not been any consistency or logic to their follow through or lack there of.

I do understand what you are saying though, I just see it differently
(ugh, I apologize if this does not make sense, I think I am rambling :))

[AnniePie]

It's truly unbelievable. I could not imagine having a nanny and sizing her up for where she ranks on the Bo Derek scale of 10. That is the reality that Cindy and George live - slapping numbers on to women based on what they find attractive. I hope all their friends ask them what number they get.

Friends? Outside of the Milsteads, I really don't think they have any friends. (Not at all surprising. :sneaky:)

[Imperfect4]

Well said, Sun. I agree. :thumbup: They are the lyingest bunch of liars that ever lied.

LOL! We're running out of adjectives. I've taken to referring to them as lying liars. :laugh:

[Imperfect4]

Cannibalistic shark tank?? What an appropriate description of the Ant family! :laugh:

:laugh: I think every time they appear on TV from now on, someone should cue the music from Jaws and run it underneath as they speak.

[farrahrani]

It was the righteous way Cindy told the story to LE that put me round the bend.

And God bless her if she didn't manage to get a dig in at George at the same time she was waxing poetic about her House Rules. The reason she gave LE for handling the situation herself rather than allowing George to handle it, was because he wasn't living there at the time and was therefore not the Man of the House and not entitled to dress Jesse down for having the nerve to lie on the bed fully clothed with the Virgin Mary.

You just can't make this stuff up. Seriously.

Actually I think it had more to do with Cindy getting the chance to make Casey feel small in front of Jesse. She probably belittled her daughter, making her feel like a six year old caught playing doctor, rather than a young adult who was pushing the house boundaries. Another tiny chance to embarrass Casey. Sure Casey knew the rules, but it had nothing to do with Jesse and he should have been given a pass on that whole situation. He didn't need to see it, or be a part of it, but of course, what fun would it be for Cindy if it were handled in private?

[Imperfect4]

How about Lee walking into Tony's apt and telling him he wished he had met them before they got involved with his lying, thieving sister?

He would have warned Tony off. Wadda close family.

Jaw dropping! I don't recall reading that!

(And speaking of use of the term "jaw dropping," where's Pru the last few days?)

[kanzz]

I think you're right in your interpretation of the report. I think it does refer to a lack of oxygen during the decomposition and not while a person is dying. I have to admit I was mistaken when I first read the report and got the same meaning as Hornsby, but after reading it again I saw that I was wrong.

I appreciate the validation. Sometimes I'm not sure I'm remembering things accurately, and those times are usually when I'm too lazy to go look.

[summer4meplz]

I'm glad someone finally said it.

I mean if we keep attributing some of Casey's behavior to having been raised by Cindy, to whom do we attirbute Cindy's behavior?

evening all from sweltering oklahoma.....

iirc.....I think cindy was the only daughter among 3 brothers....she might have been rather spoiled.....

[Rapunzel]

Casey knew the rules and deliberately challenged them on it. Why is it Cindy and George who are at fault when Casey deliberately broke the rule. I wish they had more rules, and followed through on basic teachings on morals and ethics.

I think they were cruel in not holding Casey accountable for so many of her actions, instead turning blind eye and kissing her a**, that to me is truly cruel.

I don't have a problem with the house rule they had or how it was handled, I do have a problem with George and Cindy adhering to certain rules and having there be consequences, while letting other rules be broken with no consequences. There appears to have not been any consistency or logic to their follow through or lack there of.

I do understand what you are saying though, I just see it differently
(ugh, I apologize if this does not make sense, I think I am rambling :))

The most consistent thing about George and Cindy's parenting was their inconsistency's.

[happygert]

Excuse me...they have no friends.

IMO no friends most of the family have disowned them and I dont see c or g as being a 10.... ugly is as ugly does.. and that whole family is evil and down right ugly personalities

[Pam1569]

Okay the no clothes party was on 5-25-08.

She got the tattoo on 7-2 or 7-3, so that means that there may be no photos of that tatt. She was arrested the 16th of July?

Have I got that right?

TIA

2witchy, I believe that is correct, but if one of the people at Will Waters July 4th party has a picture of the creature there might be a picture of it. But it hasn't come out yet in docs or in interviews that I know of. But then again I wonder if the people at the party really want to get dragged into this mess. jmo

[kanzz]

It has always been my belief that humans are the only animals that know and worry about death.

But, I do not think a child of Caylee's age would be aware of death. I do not think that she knew that she was dieing, per say, but I do believe that she was scared about what was happening and going on around her.

JMO

Oh, I'm sure you're right that Caylee wouldn't have had any concept of death. However, it's basic animal instinct to breathe air. It's what makes people move their head when they put their own face in the pillow. IF Caylee was awake and alert, she would have panicked, fight or flight would have set in, and she would have struggled hard. I just don't think she was awake when she was taped. imo

[kelloggirl]

It was the righteous way Cindy told the story to LE that put me round the bend.

And God bless her if she didn't manage to get a dig in at George at the same time she was waxing poetic about her House Rules. The reason she gave LE for handling the situation herself rather than allowing George to handle it, was because he wasn't living there at the time and was therefore not the Man of the House and not entitled to dress Jesse down for having the nerve to lie on the bed fully clothed with the Virgin Mary.

:lol: Warn a gal next time you're going to be so funny...Diet Coke out the nostrils hurts!

[anon-o-miss]

How about Lee walking into Tony's apt and telling him he wished he had met them before they got involved with his lying, thieving sister?

He would have warned Tony off. Wadda close family.
I know it lol. Then a week later it's Casey the mother of the year, Casey the kind, Casey the caring, Casey the reliable. :blink:Ridiculous.

[Explorer]

Look at the smirk on her face in this picture....

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk31/acandyrose/cayleeanthony/caylee_anthony-1198-Voyage060608.jpg

Dated 06-06-08.

Wonder where Caylee was? With the Nanny?

It just doesn't make sense. Who was watching Caylee every day? Or every night?

Thats a pretty good pic of her. She doesnt look so ugly.

[anon-o-miss]

It was the righteous way Cindy told the story to LE that put me round the bend.

And God bless her if she didn't manage to get a dig in at George at the same time she was waxing poetic about her House Rules. The reason she gave LE for handling the situation herself rather than allowing George to handle it, was because he wasn't living there at the time and was therefore not the Man of the House and not entitled to dress Jesse down for having the nerve to lie on the bed fully clothed with the Virgin Mary.

You just can't make this stuff up. Seriously.
:thumbsup: Not for nothing, but I don't think George ever has been, or ever will be, Man of the House. Cindy has that job covered.

[imc_e]

One thing I learned today that I am very confident about is the reason why Casey always rubs her hands together.

It's because she had Caylee's adipocere and decomposition on her hands, and she JUST can't get it off.

[denjet]

evening all from sweltering oklahoma.....

iirc.....I think cindy was the only daughter among 3 brothers....she might have been rather spoiled.....
Bingo!
And they'r older brothers, she's the baby ... surprise, surprise ... when I found that out, things all fell in to place for me explaining Cindy's need to control, be the center of attention, how she acts around men, and mostly to always win and get her own way!

[gaelicpeas]

Look at the smirk on her face in this picture....

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk31/acandyrose/cayleeanthony/caylee_anthony-1198-Voyage060608.jpg

Dated 06-06-08.

Wonder where Caylee was? With the Nanny?

It just doesn't make sense. Who was watching Caylee every day? Or every night?That is not Casey. Casey was at that club that night... there are a couple of pictures of her there, and quite a few of this other woman... and even one where Casey is shown looking at this woman in a way that some here have said was a jealous look. IMO, this evening was either pre-TonE or right around the time they got together. Some people here have also surmised that Casey got the "idea" for her blue dress as shown in the Fusian pics of late June from this woman's dress.

There is a link that has all of the club pics from that night. It is an archived file on the club's site. I can't remember the name of the club, but if anyone else remembers it, I can find the club pics from that night.

[kelloggirl]

Look at the smirk on her face in this picture....

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk31/acandyrose/cayleeanthony/caylee_anthony-1198-Voyage060608.jpg

Dated 06-06-08.

Wonder where Caylee was? With the Nanny?

It just doesn't make sense. Who was watching Caylee every day? Or every night?

Are you sure that's Casey? It doesn't look like her at all to me.

[AnniePie]

I have said before that Cindy's parents seem like nice people but wonder what Cindy's childhood was like as Cindy most likely learned her behavior from somewhere.

Could be, but not necessarily. Some people are just born narcissists and psychopaths. MOO

[sunstar]

This just creeps me out...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31448742/ns/local_news-orlando_fl/

From the link....

"Whoever did this put the duct tape over the child's mouth. I wouldn't be surprised if the child actually died from suffocation, but what's more important I think is when you bring in the chemical analysis of the trunk into play, when you actually read the analysis from the trunk, it says there's higher levels of a certain compound that is present when a person is dying from suffocation -- which is a lack of oxygen. All in all, I think that's why the state is seeking the death penalty is because Caylee Anthony, no matter how she died, whether it was from the duct tape of from being in the trunk, suffered. For a few minutes, she knew she was dying. She knew she was in pain. She suffered tremendously," defense attorney Richard Hornsby said.


That makes me really sad.
It is very sad, witchy, but I think it's also very true. This has to be one of the worst ways to die, trying to breathe, but no way to do so. :crying: I also believe it played a large part in the state determining to seek the DP. MOO

[anon-o-miss]

LOL! We're running out of adjectives. I've taken to referring to them as lying liars. :laugh:
deceitful dunces?:shrug: :wub:

[AnniePie]

I'm sure you saw my answer by now. :smile:

It's probably just the tip of the iceberg. They probably have hundreds of them flying around that househole. OK that's a typo but I'm not gonna fix it. :glare:


LOL That's how I feel about my house the day before the cleaning lady arrives! :laugh:

[AnniePie]

Have you ever read Rick's emails. He is something to be desired too.

I'd have to look for them if you want me to.

Yeah, Rick has his faults like the rest of us... but he tells it like it is when it comes to ridiculous behaviour! I wish we'd hear more from that man. And more from Shirley too. She had Casey figured out a long time ago.

[Imperfect4]

Look at the smirk on her face in this picture....

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk31/acandyrose/cayleeanthony/caylee_anthony-1198-Voyage060608.jpg

Dated 06-06-08.

Wonder where Caylee was? With the Nanny?

It just doesn't make sense. Who was watching Caylee every day? Or every night?

2w ... that's Lazarro, but the gal doesn't look like Casey. :confused:

[Pam1569]

One thing I learned today that I am very confident about is the reason why Casey always rubs her hands together.

It's because she had Caylee's adipocere and decomposition on her hands, and she JUST can't get it off.

Hi imc, Also I hope the image stays with her for the rest of her life.

[seeing_eye]

Thats a pretty good pic of her. She doesnt look so ugly.

If she doesn't look ugly, then it must not be Casey.

[anon-o-miss]

Actually I think it had more to do with Cindy getting the chance to make Casey feel small in front of Jesse. She probably belittled her daughter, making her feel like a six year old caught playing doctor, rather than a young adult who was pushing the house boundaries. Another tiny chance to embarrass Casey. Sure Casey knew the rules, but it had nothing to do with Jesse and he should have been given a pass on that whole situation. He didn't need to see it, or be a part of it, but of course, what fun would it be for Cindy if it were handled in private?

I couldn't agree more. Cindy has made it quite obvious she gets her kicks belittling others (Casey, George, Jesse, Brad, Tim, LE, Media, bloggers....etc.)

[Sandy001]

Thanks Des!! So even a lead investigater confirmed it? Was he with Casey or taking Padilla's word on it? :shrug:

"In the first information released regarding the 10 days Padilla spent with Anthony, he said her remarks rebutted what was being said on TV. A lead investigator confirms that during one of those trips, Anthony blurted out "They haven't even found the clothes she was wearing" about those searching for Caylee.


I just had a light bulb go off re: the clothes foudn on Caylee. Allegedlyl Zanny the Nanny had Caylee. Didn't either Casey or Cindy claim that Zanny had an entire wardrobe for Caylee? So why wasn't Caylee dresssed in something from Zanny's wardrobe. JNope, she was wearing clothes that came from the Anthony home, again proving that Zanny never existed.

[Imperfect4]

:thumbsup: Not for nothing, but I don't think George ever has been, or ever will be, Man of the House. Cindy has that job covered.

No kidding. But she thought it sounded good while she was recounting her Aesop's Fable to LE. :rolleyes:

I'd love to be a fly on the wall in those LE interview rooms after the Ants leave and the detectives are left sitting there. Can you imagine the conversation that takes place among LE after one of those lie-a-thons?

[AnniePie]

Cannibalistic shark tank?? What an appropriate description of the Ant family! :laugh:

Especially when you take into consideration Casey's dead-shark-eyes. :scared:

[Pam1569]

Yes, but I just looked thru them all again and didn't see any sign of a tatt on Casey's shoulder.

The photos are right here if you want to look...

http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_casey_photos.htm

I thought that there was a graphic of the tattoo. I've been searching all day. It was the same one that Nancy had on her show last evening.

2witchy, I just looked at those pics and none are titled from July 4th at Will Waters. The last set there are from Fusion on June 20th.

[AnniePie]

Hi My!
Sorry for the late replay, but I just got such a kick out of yours!
You're right, it IS very annoying ...

The Ants are so all about appearances and looking their best that they don't even realize how ridiculous and at times, disrespectful, their constant "grooming" looks like.

And why hasn't Jose told his client how distracting and disrespectful in court it is to be constantly primping and how uninterested she appears to be with the hearing that she's in ... :rolleyes:

I think anything Princess Pork Rinds does is okay by Baez. He's got stars in his eyes for "his girl". :wub:

[anon-o-miss]

As I recall, Jesse said that he and Casey were not lying on the bed, they were sitting on the side watching TV. But still, if the rules were no boys in Casey's bedroom, those are the rules. However, it was a bit late to think of enforcing rules with Casey.

But what I really wanted to comment on was George saying he wanted to take care of it. He couldn't take care of a flea. He's a big wimp. He's a coward. You're the boss, Gorgeous, you're the boss. What a dope. What a liar. What a big nothing with eyebrows.
(bolding is mine)
:w00t: What a perfect description of him lmao.

[kanzz]

Hey, Kanzz.

I think that that is the reason precious Caylee's hair was caught up in the tape.

It is my opinion that Caylee was awake.

I think that Caylee fought. I hope that she did.

Yeah, that's a sticking point for me, too... the hair. I think the reason I'm thinking and hoping she wasn't awake is because it makes me feel better. Fighting means struggling means panic means terror.

[True2Blues]

One thing I learned today that I am very confident about is the reason why Casey always rubs her hands together.

It's because she had Caylee's adipocere and decomposition on her hands, and she JUST can't get it off.

Like a Lady MacBeth syndrome? "Out, out, damned spot!"

[sunstar]

One thing I learned today that I am very confident about is the reason why Casey always rubs her hands together.

It's because she had Caylee's adipocere and decomposition on her hands, and she JUST can't get it off.

I'm curious if this was a habit of hers before Caylee's death or it's something she's started to do recently. I also wonder if she's picked up any other habits, such as excessive hand washing. I tend to agree with you and it could be a subconscious action that might be triggered whenever she's in court reminded of Caylee's remains. MOO

[sunstar]

I just had a light bulb go off re: the clothes foudn on Caylee. Allegedlyl Zanny the Nanny had Caylee. Didn't either Casey or Cindy claim that Zanny had an entire wardrobe for Caylee? So why wasn't Caylee dresssed in something from Zanny's wardrobe. JNope, she was wearing clothes that came from the Anthony home, again proving that Zanny never existed.

Yes, isn't it ironic that all of the things found with her remains came from the house? Oh, of course, Zanny the Nanny had a key to the house so to set up Casey she wouldn't have used her own things! :wink:

[Imperfect4]

As I recall, Jesse said that he and Casey were not lying on the bed, they were sitting on the side watching TV. But still, if the rules were no boys in Casey's bedroom, those are the rules. However, it was a bit late to think of enforcing rules with Casey.

But what I really wanted to comment on was George saying he wanted to take care of it. He couldn't take care of a flea. He's a big wimp. He's a coward. You're the boss, Gorgeous, you're the boss. What a dope. What a liar. What a big nothing with eyebrows.

For the record, I totally get the no boys in the bedroom rule. In a normal household.

My point is really that by the time Casey and Jesse were in her bedroom with Caylee, the horse was out of the barn, disappeared from the pasture, out in the road, run down by a truck, and enjoying resurrection as a glue stick. (Sorry for the dead horsey analogy.)

We're talking about a level of insanity in a family that has a 7 month pregnant teenager being presented by her apparently oblivious, registered nurse of a mother, to family members as though she's a blushing virgin. NUTZ. Under the circumstances, the no boys in the bedroom rule is a big, fat JOKE. imo

[ttcRider]

I appreciate the validation. Sometimes I'm not sure I'm remembering things accurately, and those times are usually when I'm too lazy to go look.

If we would have known then...we should have designated each poster a 'person' to focus on and specialize in for all information etc. It's so hard to keep track of everything and we havent even got to trial yet! :blink: thank gawd we have such brilliant posters here who can help keep things straight for the rest of us.

[Imperfect4]

One thing I learned today that I am very confident about is the reason why Casey always rubs her hands together.

It's because she had Caylee's adipocere and decomposition on her hands, and she JUST can't get it off.

Oooh. That totally resonates with me! :thumbup:

[Imperfect4]

deceitful dunces?:shrug: :wub:

There we go! <scribbling on my list of Ant adjectives>

[seeing_eye]

If we would have known then...we should have designated each poster a 'person' to focus on and specialize in for all information etc. It's so hard to keep track of everything and we havent even got to trial yet! :blink: thank gawd we have such brilliant posters here who can help keep things straight for the rest of us.

Considering the shape of my memory, I'm in need of straightening pretty often.

[AnniePie]

:thumbsup: Not for nothing, but I don't think George ever has been, or ever will be, Man of the House. Cindy has that job covered.

How about "neuter of the house"? :laugh:

[AnniePie]

One thing I learned today that I am very confident about is the reason why Casey always rubs her hands together.

It's because she had Caylee's adipocere and decomposition on her hands, and she JUST can't get it off.

Good! I hope it drives her nuts.

It sort of reminds me of "The Telltale Heart".

[sammy62]

Yes, I want to be fair to Shirley -- she's a true character alright and seems to be a good egg. This is another nuture vs nature thing and who knows?

My dad was physically, emotionally and verbally abusive. When he got older we (all 8 of us) looked at each other and said...."who is this man". He became gentle, christian, kind etc etc etc. So Shirley may have mellowed out too.

thank God 39 years ago I married a kind gentle man. Our household is so quiet...its almost boring. lol

sorry...a little ot

[kanzz]

If we would have known then...we should have designated each poster a 'person' to focus on and specialize in for all information etc. It's so hard to keep track of everything and we havent even got to trial yet! :blink: thank gawd we have such brilliant posters here who can help keep things straight for the rest of us.

What a great idea!

I'd also like to see a daily summary post for those who can't get here as often or as long as we'd like to.

Wouldn't it be great if there could be a designated thread during the trial just for designated posters to summarize what's going on?

[AnniePie]

For the record, I totally get the no boys in the bedroom rule. In a normal household.

My point is really that by the time Casey and Jesse were in her bedroom with Caylee, the horse was out of the barn, disappeared from the pasture, out in the road, run down by a truck, and enjoying resurrection as a glue stick. (Sorry for the dead horsey analogy.)

We're talking about a level of insanity in a family that has a 7 month pregnant teenager being presented by her apparently oblivious, registered nurse of a mother, to family members as though she's a blushing virgin. NUTZ. Under the circumstances, the no boys in the bedroom rule is a big, fat JOKE. imo

:laugh: OMH I am just roaring with laughter here! LOLOL

[sammy62]

What a great idea!

I'd also like to see a daily summary post for those who can't get here as often or as long as we'd like to.

Wouldn't it be great if there could be a designated thread during the trial just for designated posters to summarize what's going on?

I vote Desmond....hee hee I think she went to bed. :wub:

[101Spots]

Like a Lady MacBeth syndrome? "Out, out, damned spot!"

I've told you and told you. No MacBeth!!! :cursing:




<sniff>:crying:

[Mamie]

Oh, I'm sure you're right that Caylee wouldn't have had any concept of death. However, it's basic animal instinct to breathe air. It's what makes people move their head when they put their own face in the pillow. IF Caylee was awake and alert, she would have panicked, fight or flight would have set in, and she would have struggled hard. I just don't think she was awake when she was taped. imo

I agree with you, especially your last sentence. I think the chloroform plays a part here or some drug and that Caylee was not conscious when she was taped. JMO

[anon-o-miss]

For the record, I totally get the no boys in the bedroom rule. In a normal household.

My point is really that by the time Casey and Jesse were in her bedroom with Caylee, the horse was out of the barn, disappeared from the pasture, out in the road, run down by a truck, and enjoying resurrection as a glue stick. (Sorry for the dead horsey analogy.)

We're talking about a level of insanity in a family that has a 7 month pregnant teenager being presented by her apparently oblivious, registered nurse of a mother, to family members as though she's a blushing virgin. NUTZ. Under the circumstances, the no boys in the bedroom rule is a big, fat JOKE. imo

Cindy probably didn't want to have to raise another baby for the mom-o-the year.:unsure:

[sunstar]

I agree with you, especially your last sentence. I think the chloroform plays a part here or some drug and that Caylee was not conscious when she was taped. JMO

I'm thinking the same thing, mainly because even if Casey were on top of her, Caylee would be kicking and fighting back as the tape was being applied. She wouldn't have died instantly, and there would have been bruises on Casey. MOO

[kanzz]

I vote Desmond....hee hee I think she went to bed. :wub:
:smile: Sounds good to me. I'd just be thankful if anyone would be willing to do it. I know how busy the forums get during a trial and it will be rough trying to pick out the good parts.

[desmom]

I have said before that Cindy's parents seem like nice people but wonder what Cindy's childhood was like as Cindy most likely learned her behavior from somewhere.

I can't blame Cindy's parents. I do not believe the Anthony family's actions today are a reflection of their upbringing.

Cindy's a year younger than I am and I imagine her upbringing was similar to mine...you did not talk back, curfews, you spoke up and accepted responsibility for your actions and you never ever questioned an elder.

I am not sure if it was the economic boom, the computer boom, the need to Keep up with the Jones or maybe a leftover from the vocal 60s, but some took on the "not my child" attitude when it came to their children.

Shirley Plesea is a straight shooter. She calls it as she sees it. IMO, she is vocal about her believes. I think Shirley told Cindy more than once to "clamp" down on Casey, but Cindy opted to ignore her mother's advice.

jmo

[bchand]

I've told you and told you. No MacBeth!!! :cursing:




<sniff>:crying:


There was no doubt in my mind you would come and get True2Blues for that one. lol


Re: a daily thread during the trial. Frankiebones was a master at that in the past but IIRC she never got to discuss the trial with others because she was just basically transcribing all day long.

[Imperfect4]

:laugh: OMH I am just roaring with laughter here! LOLOL

:laugh:

I just wanted to note that I *do* get the bedroom rule. Back when I was a teenager, no boy ever got out of the well-lit living room unless he needed to visit the bathroom. But compared to the Ants, my family would be considered normal. :w00t:

[101Spots]

There we go! <scribbling on my list of Ant adjectives>

prevaricating putzes

deceitful dunces

abnormal a$$es

fabricating floozies

[kanzz]

I agree with you, especially your last sentence. I think the chloroform plays a part here or some drug and that Caylee was not conscious when she was taped. JMO

Yeah, I think chloroform. Either that, or she stashed that in her trunk and never got a chance to use it because she stuck Caylee hard enough to render her unconscious.

[bchand]

I agree with you, especially your last sentence. I think the chloroform plays a part here or some drug and that Caylee was not conscious when she was taped. JMO

I hope so too.

btw - Happy Birthday Mamie !!!

[~layla~]

Have you not seen the many faces of Casey??????????


http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_casey_photos.htm

Its not Casey ... she is in the black dress... not blue .. and the hair is a diff color

Look at that whole series.

[anon-o-miss]

If we would have known then...we should have designated each poster a 'person' to focus on and specialize in for all information etc. It's so hard to keep track of everything and we havent even got to trial yet! :blink: thank gawd we have such brilliant posters here who can help keep things straight for the rest of us.

:thumbup: That's a great idea ttc. We would need a bunch of posters to cover each A though. Maybe we should designate posters for each story the A's have given . :laugh:

[kanzz]

Have you not seen the many faces of Casey??????????


http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_casey_photos.htm


scroll down to 6/6:
http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_timeline2008June.htm

Looks like Casey was wearing black that night? with bra straps showing? and hoop earrings?

[Unleashed]

If we would have known then...we should have designated each poster a 'person' to focus on and specialize in for all information etc. It's so hard to keep track of everything and we havent even got to trial yet! :blink: thank gawd we have such brilliant posters here who can help keep things straight for the rest of us.
my bold

:seeya: Subway girl!

I get Lenny!! :drool:


JMO

[Mamie]

I hope so too.

btw - Happy Birthday Mamie !!!


Well thankyou betty! Bless your heart!

Yes, agreed, I too hope she wasn't conscious for that and to see the person she loved and trusted doing that to her. JMO

[~layla~]

:thumbup: That's a great idea ttc. We would need a bunch of posters to cover each A though. Maybe we should designate posters for each story the A's have given . :laugh:

I get Lee ... he has done squat.

[Imperfect4]

prevaricating putzes

deceitful dunces

abnormal a$$es

fabricating floozies

... :thumbup: ...

[anon-o-miss]

How about "neuter of the house"? :laugh:

:w00t:
That is a winner right there. :thumbsup:

[sunstar]

Yeah, I think chloroform. Either that, or she stashed that in her trunk and never got a chance to use it because she stuck Caylee hard enough to render her unconscious.

With even one piece duct tape over her nose and mouth, how long would it take before she lost consciousness? Maybe her arms and legs were held down so she couldn't try to take it off, or it had been pressed down securely and she couldn't get it off? :crying:

[bchand]

Well thankyou betty! Bless your heart!

Yes, agreed, I too hope she wasn't conscious for that and to see the person she loved and trusted doing that to her. JMO

You're very welcome Mamie- I always am on the lookout for our Caylee posters birthdays.

[Imperfect4]

:thumbup: That's a great idea ttc. We would need a bunch of posters to cover each A though. Maybe we should designate posters for each story the A's have given . :laugh:

ITA! We'd need 3-4 posters to cover each major playa in this drama. That way, we wouldn't miss a THING. Not a wink, not a nod, not a wild eyebrow, not a hand rub, not a flirtatious glance, not a ... shall I go on?

[*Serenity*]

Have you not seen the many faces of Casey??????????


http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_casey_photos.htm


http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk31/acandyrose/cayleeanthony/caylee_anthony-0655-CaseyBD031907.jpg

There is a tatoo under the white shirt/seatbelt/lower close to jeans on her right side. Same tatoo I looked at earlier when someone posted the photos of Casey and Caylee at the beach together. So- that's one tatto. The other is a shamrock on her lower back and a new in July was the Bella Vida.

[AnniePie]

my bold

:seeya: Subway girl!

I get Lenny!! :drool:


JMO

Cat fight! :w00t: I get Lenny too!!

[kanzz]

With even one piece duct tape over her nose and mouth, how long would it take before she lost consciousness? Maybe her arms and legs were held down so she couldn't try to take it off, or it had been pressed down securely and she couldn't get it off? :crying:

4 or more minutes. I wish she would've been found much, much sooner... before she decomposed.

[need2no]

I can't blame Cindy's parents. I do not believe the Anthony family's actions today are a reflection of their upbringing.

Cindy's a year younger than I am and I imagine her upbringing was similar to mine...you did not talk back, curfews, you spoke up and accepted responsibility for your actions and you never ever questioned an elder.

I am not sure if it was the economic boom, the computer boom, the need to Keep up with the Jones or maybe a leftover from the vocal 60s, but some took on the "not my child" attitude when it came to their children.

Shirley Plesea is a straight shooter. She calls it as she sees it. IMO, she is vocal about her believes. I think Shirley told Cindy more than once to "clamp" down on Casey, but Cindy opted to ignore her mother's advice.

jmo


From what I've seen and heard from Shirley at this point I tend to agree. Perhaps Cindy felt that Shirley was too strict on her when she was a child and vowed not to be that way with her own children. Who knows, maybe Shirley was a tyrant in her younger years. That combined with a troubled marriage, being the breadwinner and boss, as well as Cindy's desire to convey the perfect little family to the world, (despite the truth), probably all played into why she enabled casey, and probably Lee as well. She was he!! bent determined to at least try to portray the close knit loving family, regardless of the truth. I suspect she even had her own self fooled at times.

[desmom]

For the record, I totally get the no boys in the bedroom rule. In a normal household.

My point is really that by the time Casey and Jesse were in her bedroom with Caylee, the horse was out of the barn, disappeared from the pasture, out in the road, run down by a truck, and enjoying resurrection as a glue stick. (Sorry for the dead horsey analogy.)

We're talking about a level of insanity in a family that has a 7 month pregnant teenager being presented by her apparently oblivious, registered nurse of a mother, to family members as though she's a blushing virgin. NUTZ. Under the circumstances, the no boys in the bedroom rule is a big, fat JOKE. imo


Exactly!

IMO, Cindy's tantrum over Jesse was all show! This family is about appearances! Heck George said something like he did not like Jesse because he did not shake George's hand the lst time they met or correctly or something silly.

FGS! They were harping about petty carp with Jesse's behavior, but opted to ignore Casey ripping off family & friends, running up credit card debt and her lies.

Once again they have the attitude of "not my kid".

jmo

[bchand]

Well, please provide me with that link.

This link clearly states that is is Casey.

http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_casey_photos.htm

JMO


This picture from that link clearly shows Casey in the black dress. The other girl is wearing the blue dress.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk31/acandyrose/cayleeanthony/caylee_anthony-1196-Voyage060608.jpg

[kanzz]

Well, please provide me with that link.

This link clearly states that is is Casey.

http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_casey_photos.htm

JMO


Do you mean the photos right below this - "(Friday 06/06/2008) - Photos of Casey Anthony and Anthony Lazarro at Voyage Nightclub"?

I take that to mean some are of Casey and some are of AL.

This looks like Casey to me - in a different dress, same photo set:
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk31/acandyrose/cayleeanthony/caylee_anthony-1195-Voyage060608.jpg

[*Serenity*]

Well, please provide me with that link.

This link clearly states that is is Casey.

http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_casey_photos.htm

JMO

It states *Voyage* June 6th
Casey wore a black dress that night... it is in the same line up and then you can see the other girl in blue which is not Casey.

Casey wore blue to the fusion club after this club night out.

[anon-o-miss]

What a great idea!

I'd also like to see a daily summary post for those who can't get here as often or as long as we'd like to.

Wouldn't it be great if there could be a designated thread during the trial just for designated posters to summarize what's going on?
I think when the trial comes we'll get to have a daily summary. I know they let us have them in other trials, (when a I had a cuter dress on:wub: lol).

[Imperfect4]

Cindy told the story early on of how she thought reporting the car as stolen would get the attention of the police. She would then hold it over Casey until Casey coughed up Caylee. IIRC :smile:

Oh, that's right. I was just having a moment, I guess. Was thinking maybe Cindy forbade the OC from taking the car after the big fight, but Casey took it anyway, and that's why Cindy mentioned it along with the theft of money.

But as it turns out, Cindy was just lying to the 9-1-1 dispatcher.

Go figure. :rolleyes:

[True2Blues]

I've told you and told you. No MacBeth!!! :cursing:




<sniff>:crying:


It wasn't me you told. Why not? (are you an actor?)

[sunstar]

4 or more minutes. I wish she would've been found much, much sooner... before she decomposed.

Thank you. I thought it might be about that time, but being her small size, I wasn't sure. That four minutes would've seemed like an eternity if Caylee were conscious when the taping began. :crying:

[kanzz]

I just posted what I found. I did not write this or take the pictures.

I was just looking up stuff and found that page.

We're just tryin' to help, sis. Cooperative effort. Good things come from synergy. No offense intended.

[101Spots]

It wasn't me you told. Why not? (are you an actor?)

Out dammed spot.

101Spots



I'm thenthetive.:blushing:

[kanzz]

Thank you. I thought it might be about that time, but being her small size, I wasn't sure. That four minutes would've seemed like an eternity if Caylee were conscious when the taping began. :crying:

It's hard to think about. I've seen a lot of people die. Struggling for air is horrible.

[Imperfect4]

Well, please provide me with that link.

This link clearly states that is is Casey.

http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_casey_photos.htm

JMO

From what I can see ...

Casey is in two of the 5 pics dated 6/6. She's in the first and second pics in the lineup, and in the second one, the gal in blue is in the same shot with Casey. Casey is in black in those photos. The gal in blue isn't Casey.

[*Serenity*]

Oh, that's right. I was just having a moment, I guess. Was thinking maybe Cindy forbade the OC from taking the car after the big fight, but Casey took it anyway, and that's why Cindy mentioned it along with the theft of money.

But as it turns out, Cindy was just lying to the 9-1-1 dispatcher.

Go figure. :rolleyes:

One of those 911 calls you can hear Cindy telling Casey she is going to take her to court and get Caylee... not exact words but close... and then she gave her 30-31 days and she wasn't waiting another day.

When she picked up Amy and to go find Casey that is when Amy and Cindy had their pow wow of exchanges of info about Casey's lies.
Cindy even told Amy she would never get ther money back.
IIRC Cindy even threw a fit at TonE and telling him what a loser Casey was. Cindy also told the one guy that worked at the shoe place what a sociopath/liar Casey was... at every turn Cindy told everyone of Casey's friends what a liar loser she was. But... when the lights came on finally that Caylee was dead... suddenly Cindy told everyone Casey was Mother of the year. She loves her Whoppers....

[Imperfect4]

Yes, but she is a chamelion, according to Lee.

I've seen many of pictures of Casey that did not look like what we see today. The murderess has been in jail for some time now and it is wearing on her.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!


I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

See my post #773, 2w. Casey is in the same pic as the girl in the blue dress. They are two different people.

[sunstar]

It's hard to think about. I've seen a lot of people die. Struggling for air is horrible.

It truly is horrible to think about, especially a beautiful little child like Caylee. :crying: The duct tape will be a huge factor in the trial, imo, and in the minds of the jury. MOO

[Imperfect4]

Out dammed spot.

101Spots



I'm thenthetive.:blushing:

Huggies to the spotted one. (((spots))) :wub:

[anon-o-miss]

prevaricating putzes

deceitful dunces

abnormal a$$es

fabricating floozies
Let's not forget nauseating narcissists.:tonguewag:

[imc_e]

What a s____. I can see right thru her dress, and this is after Caylee has been killed.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk31/acandyrose/cayleeanthony/caylee_anthony-0032-Casey062008.jpg

[AnnieBell]

What a great idea!

I'd also like to see a daily summary post for those who can't get here as often or as long as we'd like to.

Wouldn't it be great if there could be a designated thread during the trial just for designated posters to summarize what's going on?

Evening Night Crew, kids are out and hubby at work so I'm hoping to hang out with night owls for awhile:thumbsup:

Miss a couple of hours and it feels like weeks trying to catch up on the latest. I think your ideas of putting together some form of organization would help each of us stay up to date on things and groups keeping up with a particular aspect of the case would have the information ready to hit copy/paste which could help us cover this information in a quicker manner. Speaking only of myself, but by the time I locate information I've already forgot the particulars of why and then with flashlight in hand have to turn around and find my way back. O.K. now I'll go take a seat in the back of the room.

[kanzz]

It truly is horrible to think about, especially a beautiful little child like Caylee. :crying: The duct tape will be a huge factor in the trial, imo, and in the minds of the jury. MOO

I hope the prosecution will call an expert witness to testify in detail about the process of suffocation. And I hope that answer is drawn out to match the amount of time it would take to suffocate. I'd think that testimony could cement the case.

[101Spots]

What a s____. I can see right thru her dress, and this is after Caylee has been killed.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk31/acandyrose/cayleeanthony/caylee_anthony-0032-Casey062008.jpg

I am ever so grateful that I am not a sweet young thing in this age, with this dress code. Girl #3 is about to lose her shorts if she exhales.

[True2Blues]

Out dammed spot.

101Spots



I'm thenthetive.:blushing:


I see, but you're not damned spot, you're 101 spots!

I always think of Dalmations and Giraffes and polka dots when I see your nic.

You've got to admit, it fit the idea of why Casey is always rubbing her hands. Even though Casey doesn't have an ounce of Lady McB's brains.

[Mamie]

This picture from that link clearly shows Casey in the black dress. The other girl is wearing the blue dress.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk31/acandyrose/cayleeanthony/caylee_anthony-1196-Voyage060608.jpg


Yes-----in that row of pictures, Casey only appears in the first two for that particular night.

[Imperfect4]

I am ever so grateful that I am not a sweet young thing in this age, with this dress code. Girl #3 is about to lose her shorts if she exhales.

I'm just grateful none of the people in that photo are flashing that stupid freaking two finger hand signal they're all so fond of. :cursing:

[Pam1569]

I'm not sure what you are referring to here.

Please enlighten me.

TIA

2witchy, you gave me this link (http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_casey_photos.htm) to go look at for Casey at the July 4th party that I was speaking of on your reply post to me page 18 post #694.

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=355242&page=18

[101Spots]

I see, but you're not damned spot, you're 101 spots!

I always think of Dalmations and Giraffes and polka dots when I see your nic.

You've got to admit, it fit the idea of why Casey is always rubbing her hands. Even though Casey doesn't have an ounce of Lady McB's brains.

I'm down to 32Spots with the number of times this has been quoted.

My Dalmatians agree. Looks like Willie S. had a good idea of what OC might be going through.

[No giraffes here.]

[bchand]

Very good bchand,

TYVM

Anytime misswitchy.

[sunstar]

I hope the prosecution will call an expert witness to testify in detail about the process of suffocation. And I hope that answer is drawn out to match the amount of time it would take to suffocate. I'd think that testimony could cement the case.

I can almost hear the defense objecting right now, but I think it's a brilliant idea. If it can't be done during testimony, the state certainly should be able to use such a technique during their closing arguments. MOO


Have a good night all! :seeya:

[imc_e]

I am ever so grateful that I am not a sweet young thing in this age, with this dress code. Girl #3 is about to lose her shorts if she exhales.

I really think Caylee was in the trunk of her car on the 20th when she was at this nightclub.

[Pam1569]

I can almost hear the defense objecting right now, but I think it's a brilliant idea. If it can't be done during testimony, the state certainly should be able to use such a technique during their closing arguments. MOO


Have a good night all! :seeya:

Goodnight sunstar following you night all. :seeya:

[True2Blues]

I'm down to 32Spots with the number of times this has been quoted.

My Dalmatians agree. Looks like Willie S. had a good idea of what OC might be going through.

[No giraffes here.]

It shouldn't work on you, only blood spots (and it didn't work on those either).

If that is why she rubs her hands, it's the only manifestation of guilt Casey will probably ever show. On the other hand, maybe she just wants some hand lotion, she's pretty self obsessed.

[seeing_eye]

Do you mean the photos right below this - "(Friday 06/06/2008) - Photos of Casey Anthony and Anthony Lazarro at Voyage Nightclub"?

I take that to mean some are of Casey and some are of AL.

This looks like Casey to me - in a different dress, same photo set:
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk31/acandyrose/cayleeanthony/caylee_anthony-1195-Voyage060608.jpg

There are other people in those photos in addition to Casey and Anthony.

This one is Casey:

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk31/acandyrose/cayleeanthony/caylee_anthony-1196-Voyage060608.jpg

This one is not Casey:

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk31/acandyrose/cayleeanthony/caylee_anthony-1198-Voyage060608.jpg

[imc_e]

Hand rubbing

John Bulwer calls Lady Macbeth's hand rubbing gesture Gestus #XI: Innocentiam Ostendo (Latin for "I display innocence"). He states that "[t]o imitate the posture of washing the hands by rubbing the back of one in the hollow of the other with a kind of detersive motion is a gesture sometimes used by those who would professe their innocency and declare they have no Hand in that foule business, not so much as by their manuall assent […] for the Hands naturally imply, as it were in Hieroglyphique, mens acts and operations; and that cleansing motion denotes the cleannesse of their actions.". This gesture is also associated with Pilate and with Shakespeare's other plays Julius Caesar (where Brutus' hand-washing gesture is turned from a profession of innocency into a signal of guilt)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hand-rubbing

Good article in the Caylee Daily on Caseys body language in court:

http://www.cayleedaily.com/2009/03/casey-anthonys-body-language/

[anon-o-miss]

Well, please provide me with that link.

This link clearly states that is is Casey.

http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_casey_photos.htm

JMO
They do look an awful lot alike, but that's not PRP in the blue dress that night this is from that same link, and that same batch of pics.


http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk31/acandyrose/cayleeanthony/caylee_anthony-1196-Voyage060608.jpg

[Unleashed]

Cat fight! :w00t: I get Lenny too!!

Nuh-uh!!!
I called him first! :tonguewag:

JMO

[kanzz]

Hand rubbing

John Bulwer calls Lady Macbeth's hand rubbing gesture Gestus #XI: Innocentiam Ostendo (Latin for "I display innocence"). He states that "[t]o imitate the posture of washing the hands by rubbing the back of one in the hollow of the other with a kind of detersive motion is a gesture sometimes used by those who would professe their innocency and declare they have no Hand in that foule business, not so much as by their manuall assent […] for the Hands naturally imply, as it were in Hieroglyphique, mens acts and operations; and that cleansing motion denotes the cleannesse of their actions.". This gesture is also associated with Pilate and with Shakespeare's other plays Julius Caesar (where Brutus' hand-washing gesture is turned from a profession of innocency into a signal of guilt)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hand-rubbing

Good article in the Caylee Daily on Caseys body language in court:

http://www.cayleedaily.com/2009/03/casey-anthonys-body-language/


Bingo! This defines Casey's hand-rubbing. Subconsciously trying to wipe the deed off her hands. We saw right through that, though.

:tonguewag:

[bchand]

Yikes - just read this:

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/courttvtrutv/trutvs_in_session_shuts_down_119687.asp

Tuesday, Jun 23
truTV's "In Session" Shuts Down


I hope we are even HERE when this case goes to trial !!

[seeing_eye]

All you guys seem to know more than I do......

Thanks for the information.

I'm out of here for this evening.

I know nuthink!! :confused: