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desmom
06-22-2009, 07:46 AM
One year ago today....June 22, 2008
No activities documented in witness statements.
Casey’s phone records http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2385297
Casey’s ping logs: http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=p6Pnw95vqOo-MgZ7Vsp9pYg&gid=8
No text messages between Amy and Casey located in doc dumps.
desmom
06-22-2009, 08:17 AM
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2385297/Casey_Anthony_cell_records_615_to_716
Someone from the Anthony home (care to guess) called Casey several times. IMO, the calls went unanswered because the calls were very short and Casey would immediately call her voice mail after receiving the call. The calls began at 9:35 and ended at 14:40 when Casey called the A home for 112 seconds. Answering machine?
Mark Hawkins called Casey at 18:27, 18:31, 20:38 and they also appear to have gone to her voice mail because Casey always called her voice mail after each call.
The Anthony home called Casey at 21:57 and Casey called her voice mail immediately. At 22:11 Casey placed a call to the A home. The call was 407 seconds in length.
22:18 Casey placed a call to Mark Hawkins. The call was 6 seconds in length. Mark Hawkins returned Casey's call at 22:20. The call was 285 seconds in length.
There were several calls between Casey and Enjoli in the afternoon. All calls were 0 seconds in length. Text messages?
jmo
BlueHeron
06-22-2009, 08:23 AM
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2385297/Casey_Anthony_cell_records_615_to_716
Someone from the Anthony home (care to guess) called Casey several times. IMO, the calls went unanswered because the calls were very short and Casey would immediately call her voice mail after receiving the call. The calls began at 9:35 and ended at 14:40 when Casey called the A home for 112 seconds. Answering machine?
Mark Hawkins called Casey at 18:27, 18:31, 20:38 and they also appear to have gone to her voice mail because Casey always called her voice mail after each call.
The Anthony home called Casey at 21:57 and Casey called her voice mail immediately. At 22:11 Casey placed a call to the A home. The call was 407 seconds in length.
22:18 Casey placed a call to Mark Hawkins. The call was 6 seconds in length. Mark Hawkins returned Casey's call at 22:20. The call was 285 seconds in length.
There were several calls between Casey and Enjoli in the afternoon. All calls were 0 seconds in length. Text messages?
jmo
Do you know what/who Enjoli is?
desmom
06-22-2009, 08:27 AM
Do you know what/who Enjoli is?
The only "Enjoli" I know is the cologne. :tonguewag:
I am looking but not finding anything.
BlueHeron
06-22-2009, 08:35 AM
The only "Enjoli" I know is the cologne. :tonguewag:
I am looking but not finding anything.
Yeah, nothing here either. I googled 'enjoli orlando' and got nothing. I would imagine that Revlon wouldn't have a separate number for their cologne, but maybe...maybe she was calling to find out if it would get the smell of death off her? :rolleyes:
PS: Thank you for all your research and 'on this day posts'. You're really helping me to put all of this together in my own head! :wub:
kellabeck
06-22-2009, 08:36 AM
Brad Conway on TODAY now. Do they ever shut up?
He followed a video piece which had Wecht and Spitz each commenting on the autopsy report. I think possibly the defense is going to call Spitz.
Spitz. He did SUCH a fine job testifying for Phil Spector, didn't he? Who is paying for all this?
MissouriGMom
06-22-2009, 08:41 AM
Yeah, nothing here either. I googled 'enjoli orlando' and got nothing. I would imagine that Revlon wouldn't have a separate number for their cologne, but maybe...maybe she was calling to find out if it would get the smell of death off her? :rolleyes:
PS: Thank you for all your research and 'on this day posts'. You're really helping me to put all of this together in my own head! :wub:
I found 2 in Orlando. Enjoli Allison and Enjoli Rivera. ER graduated in 2002 from Edgewater HS.
Thought I'd better add that I googled "enjoli orlando" with these results.
Steps
06-22-2009, 08:44 AM
Brad Conway on TODAY now. Do they ever shut up?
He followed a video piece which had Wecht and Spitz each commenting on the autopsy report. I think possibly the defense is going to call Spitz.
Spitz. He did SUCH a fine job testifying for Phil Spector, didn't he? Who is paying for all this?
Spitz!!! What a BOOB!!! If he performs as well in the Anthony trial as he did in Spector Casey's in trouble! BTW Kellabeck, I really enjoyed all your comments during Spector 1.
Brad Conway on TODAY now. Do they ever shut up?
He followed a video piece which had Wecht and Spitz each commenting on the autopsy report. I think possibly the defense is going to call Spitz.
Spitz. He did SUCH a fine job testifying for Phil Spector, didn't he? Who is paying for all this?
What did Brad have to say?
I think it was really3997 that said the guy sitting next to Cindy at the hearing last week was a producer from the Today show. :rolleyes:
Good morning everyone.
imo
desmom
06-22-2009, 08:58 AM
Enjoli lived in Oviedo at one time. IIRC, JP and friends used to live in Oviedo. From what I have read a lot of University of Central Florida students live in there. This person may have been a friend through JP...imo.
So many of these young people's lives have been invaded because of Casey. I do not see any reason to post the info of this person and see another life destroyed. I am sorry.
Des ~
toadii
06-22-2009, 09:13 AM
Is this the first time that BC admitted that the Ants do not visit their daughter per JB's wishes and that they exchange letters through Jose?
I have long suspected that they communicated via Jose's laptop.
Those have to be some interesting letters.
Considering prior jailhouse visits and inserting similar verbiage, I can just imagine the correspondence.
George with his "Hi Honey, Gorgeous, hey Boss,..." and Casey's responses reeking of self pity and multi-syllable misused words all written in young girl style, while Cindy reports to her little sweetheart on her cameos and her fundation.
They will avoid writing about any of the "unfortunate (terminal) events" of the past and focus on how they are turning all the negatives into positives by "reaching out" to families in similar circumstances, as Casey looks forward to working on her tan when all this unpleasantness evaporates and she will join her parents in an unencumbered, leisurely life of the unemployed.
MissouriGMom
06-22-2009, 09:14 AM
Enjoli lived in Oviedo at one time. IIRC, JP and friends used to live in Oviedo. From what I have read a lot of University of Central Florida students live in there. This person may have been a friend through JP...imo.
So many of these young people's lives have been invaded because of Casey. I do not see any reason to post the info of this person and see another life destroyed. I am sorry.
Des ~
You're right, desmom. And who ever this young lady is, she sure has a beautiful name. My little brain is not working yet this morning.
More coffee needed!
I missed the Today Show. What was Brad trying to prove by being on the show?
Is he on for the Ant's, Baez or himself?
Thanks.
imo
Explorer
06-22-2009, 09:19 AM
Hi everyone. I was watching Nancy Grace last night and they were talking about the jailhous /remains video. The judge said it was damaging. Ill bet that the manner in which she responded was totally innapropriate. She was probably sooo shocked that mommy and daddy didnt find the remains first and move the body. She was probably thinking that it was already taking care of and then SHOCKER Mr. Kronk finds the body.
MissouriGMom
06-22-2009, 09:23 AM
I missed the Today Show. What was Brad trying to prove by being on the show?
Is he on for the Ant's, Baez or himself?
Thanks.
imo
Are you on central time? If you are, it is coming on in a few minutes on Today.
Are you on central time? If you are, it is coming on in a few minutes on Today.
Thanks but I'm already at work. Hopefully it will be on YouTube some time this morning.
sammy62
06-22-2009, 09:25 AM
Yeah, nothing here either. I googled 'enjoli orlando' and got nothing. I would imagine that Revlon wouldn't have a separate number for their cologne, but maybe...maybe she was calling to find out if it would get the smell of death off her?
PS: Thank you for all your research and 'on this day posts'. You're really helping me to put all of this together in my own head! :wub:
my bold - my your witty for this early in the morning. :tonguewag:
morning all. Thanks Des :wub:
Explorer
06-22-2009, 09:27 AM
She was so confident that a body would not be found. Why? because they probably told her it was being taken care of and thats where the hyperventilation shock came in.
ellegna
06-22-2009, 09:27 AM
Good morning
I missed the Today Show but found this link on their site.
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/31484912#31484912
desmom
06-22-2009, 09:29 AM
Hi everyone. I was watching Nancy Grace last night and they were talking about the jailhous /remains video. The judge said it was damaging. Ill bet that the manner in which she responded was totally innapropriate. She was probably sooo shocked that mommy and daddy didnt find the remains first and move the body. She was probably thinking that it was already taking care of and then SHOCKER Mr. Kronk finds the body.
Yep I think JB told her it would be difficult to convict her without a body. jmo
kellabeck
06-22-2009, 09:32 AM
Spitz!!! What a BOOB!!! If he performs as well in the Anthony trial as he did in Spector Casey's in trouble! BTW Kellabeck, I really enjoyed all your comments during Spector 1.
Casey's in trouble with or without Spitz. But you're right, he's a tool.
And thanks.
desmom
06-22-2009, 09:33 AM
Good morning
I missed the Today Show but found this link on their site.
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/31484912#31484912
Thanks. :seeya:
Explorer
06-22-2009, 09:33 AM
Yep I think JB told her it would be difficult to convict her without a body. jmo
As I was watching NG the whole thing started to make sense. If Mr. Kronk didnt come along when he did we never would have found the body. They were just about to move in on those remains. Thats why baez is so worried they were listening in on his conversation with her. Hoover Casey Lee its all starting to fall into place now.
kellabeck
06-22-2009, 09:35 AM
I missed the Today Show. What was Brad trying to prove by being on the show?
Is he on for the Ant's, Baez or himself?
On for himself and the Ants, imo.
You can always see segments of the TODAY show online. Just go to their website and click away.
Prayers for the brave people of Iran.
kellabeck
06-22-2009, 09:37 AM
As I was watching NG the whole thing started to make sense. If Mr. Kronk didnt come along when he did we never would have found the body. They were just about to move in on those remains. Thats why baez is so worried they were listening in on his conversation with her. Hoover Casey Lee its all starting to fall into place now.
So the "daisy chain" theory of Lenny Padilla's a bunch of hooey?
:confused:
Good morning
I missed the Today Show but found this link on their site.
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/31484912#31484912
Thanks much. :biggrin:
imo
Explorer
06-22-2009, 09:39 AM
Thats why shes so mad at mommy and daddy they let her down. They were supposed to fix it for her and they failed.
Daffy88
06-22-2009, 09:40 AM
Gm everyone, Have been reading here for a long time. Really enjoy all the post. Thought I read on here about the pros. wanting to take photos of Caseys tatoo? Does anyone know anything about this? Thanks. also was very interesting with the "grave wax" wonder if NG will pick up on that.
cassidy
06-22-2009, 09:41 AM
Good morning
I missed the Today Show but found this link on their site.
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/31484912#31484912
Thanks, I just watched it. I thought it was illegal for Jose to carry written correspondence back and forth between Casey and her parents. Conway just veried on national TV that this is exactly what is being done? Once again, the Anthony's are above the law?
Also, if Casey is in touch with her parents, why does she blatently ignore them in court, not even a wave hello?
MissouriGMom
06-22-2009, 09:41 AM
Casey's in trouble with or without Spitz. But you're right, he's a tool.
And thanks.
Yes, he is a tool. He said that there was no adhesive residue on the bones. Well no kidding. Duh, there wouldn't be any on her little bones.
ellegna
06-22-2009, 09:42 AM
Thanks. :seeya:
Most welcome
I just finished watching and I must say Dr Spitz should turn in his microscope.
Not evident it's a murder? I guess wrapping several layers of duct tape around Caylee's head doesn't qualify consideration?
No duct tape residue on the bones? Why would there be? The tape was affixed to flesh and hair. :cursing:
Need another coffee
Explorer
06-22-2009, 09:44 AM
Most welcome
I just finished watching and I must say Dr Spitz should turn in his microscope.
Not evident it's a murder? I guess wrapping several layers of duct tape around Caylee's head doesn't qualify consideration?
No duct tape residue on the bones? Why would there be? The tape was affixed to flesh and hair. :cursing:
Need another coffee
THey think people are STUPID.:cursing:
Explorer
06-22-2009, 09:46 AM
I think tahts why middle finger Lee is hiding out. They have something very damaging on him.
trich
06-22-2009, 09:47 AM
What did Brad have to say?
I think it was really3997 that said the guy sitting next to Cindy at the hearing last week was a producer from the Today show. :rolleyes:
Good morning everyone.
imo
Maybe he was checking out George's acting abilities LOL
If so I am sure he failed the test.
What makes me sick about these bottom feeders is that most don't have a clue as to what is really going on with the Anthonys.
The NY studios need to interview Kathi Belch(sp?)
She will set them straight.
Kathi will tell them what is really happening and the truthe about the Anthonys and their lies and deceitful ways.
Jessspb
06-22-2009, 09:47 AM
Good morning! I can't get The Today Show link to work. It plays a few seconds and goes to the next story for a few seconds and then the next story. Gave me a headache! lol What am I doing wrong? :confused: Thanks!
Conway said he is going to spend time this week preparing the Ant's for what is in the autopsy report.
I think we are going to see more of Conway without the Ant's trying to paint the picture of the grieving grandparents.
imo
Scampi
06-22-2009, 09:49 AM
Morning everyone from sunny Maryland.....finally!!!
Thanks for all the links Canada and Des. Spitz was the absolute worst "expert" testifying in the spector trial. I am not surprised one
bit to see him show up in the anthony trial.
We might as well get used to this defense team using any flunky they can in floating trial balloons to the public to see which ones fly.
Off to watch the current ones on The Today Show.
Explorer
06-22-2009, 09:49 AM
Conway said he is going to spend time this week preparing the Ant's for what is in the autopsy report.
I think we are going to see more of Conway without the Ant's trying to paint the picture of the grieving grandparents.
imo
Hes going to prepare them on how to spin the autopsy report.
Explorer
06-22-2009, 09:51 AM
Isnt it funny how roaches just attract more roaches.
cassidy
06-22-2009, 09:51 AM
Conway said he is going to spend time this week preparing the Ant's for what is in the autopsy report.
I think we are going to see more of Conway without the Ant's trying to paint the picture of the grieving grandparents.
imo
Good, then I guess we will see them sitting behind the prosecution on Caylee's behalf :).
Hes going to prepare them on how to spin the autopsy report.
Yup - just like on LKL when Conway said something like there was no duct tape around the head....
Scampi
06-22-2009, 09:52 AM
Most welcome
I just finished watching and I must say Dr Spitz should turn in his microscope.
Not evident it's a murder? I guess wrapping several layers of duct tape around Caylee's head doesn't qualify consideration?
No duct tape residue on the bones? Why would there be? The tape was affixed to flesh and hair. :cursing:
Need another coffee
Maybe he'll tell the jury Caylee "fell" into a roll of duct tape. :cuss:
MissouriGMom
06-22-2009, 09:53 AM
Isnt it funny how roaches just attract more roaches.
Call the Orkin man!
Explorer
06-22-2009, 09:53 AM
So I guess that means that the a's are going on tour again:cursing:
ellegna
06-22-2009, 09:54 AM
I think tahts why middle finger Lee is hiding out. They have something very damaging on him.
Perjury comes to mind. I understand the State lists it as a misdemeanor but the FBI consider perjury as a more serious offense.
TonE's secret video taping must have Lee very nervous
cassidy
06-22-2009, 09:54 AM
Yup - just like on LKL when Conway said something like there was no duct tape around the head....
Let's be kind to him. The autopsy report didn't say head. Maybe he just didn't understand the big words they used.
:biggrinjester:
marshmallow
06-22-2009, 09:54 AM
Conway said he is going to spend time this week preparing the Ant's for what is in the autopsy report.
I think we are going to see more of Conway without the Ant's trying to paint the picture of the grieving grandparents.
imo
he should have already prepped them (and I've no doubt they already knew/read/memorized it), this is damage control but to anyone not on team K(iller)C(asey) it's too late to explain away anything but these facts:
1. duct tape
2. 31 days
3. lies about where Caylee was (nannygate)
4. KC at bars rubbing up on other ladies and smiling her fool butt off at anything with ....um... junk in his pants
when Mr Conway has something to say about those things, I'll start listening.
Explorer
06-22-2009, 09:54 AM
Call the Orkin man!
Really all the scum just oozes out of the woodwork. There are ALOT of them.
trich
06-22-2009, 09:54 AM
Conway said he is going to spend time this week preparing the Ant's for what is in the autopsy report.
I think we are going to see more of Conway without the Ant's trying to paint the picture of the grieving grandparents.
imo
Does anyone believe that he is preparing them ......I don't believe for a second they don't know.
And if they didn't already well it is all over the internet .
Wonder who they are going to say wrapped that duct tape around poor Caylee''s mouth (over lapping too).
ellegna
06-22-2009, 09:57 AM
Good morning! I can't get The Today Show link to work. It plays a few seconds and goes to the next story for a few seconds and then the next story. Gave me a headache! lol What am I doing wrong? :confused: Thanks!
Try this - http://today.msnbc.msn.com/
Look in the middle for More From Today video tab. click
Look for Caylee's picture. click
:seeya:
Explorer
06-22-2009, 09:59 AM
Time to boycott the Today Shows sponsers
summer4meplz
06-22-2009, 10:03 AM
good morning......which expert said it didn't look like a murder? did i hear that correctly? surely not......
on the today show...btw...not one sip of coffee yet
that was the first footage I saw of george storming out of the courthouse....cindy trying to catch up to him to pretend they were loving supportive grieving grandparents.....
someone else mentioned that baez isn't supposed to be the postman between the anthonys and casey but conway just said that he is....I kinda doubt they have much to say to each other....so much hate....
kOOkie1
06-22-2009, 10:04 AM
So I guess that means that the a's are going on tour again:cursing:
"AnthonyPalooza" ;)
msgatorslayer
06-22-2009, 10:10 AM
Most welcome
I just finished watching and I must say Dr Spitz should turn in his microscope.
Not evident it's a murder? I guess wrapping several layers of duct tape around Caylee's head doesn't qualify consideration?
No duct tape residue on the bones? Why would there be? The tape was affixed to flesh and hair. :cursing:
Need another coffee
Morning, all. I just watched it.
Common sense!!!! Hopefully, all 12 jurors will have that. A 2 y.o doesn't end up discarded in the woods with duct tape on her mouth, triple bagged, on accident.
I haven't had enough coffee yet and I can still LMAO about him saying there wasn't residue on the bones. :rolleyes:
101Spots
06-22-2009, 10:14 AM
Isnt it funny how roaches just attract more roaches.
I can't wait until somebody turns on the light and we can watch them scurry like mad.
toadii
06-22-2009, 10:16 AM
Thanks, I just watched it. I thought it was illegal for Jose to carry written correspondence back and forth between Casey and her parents. Conway just veried on national TV that this is exactly what is being done? Once again, the Anthony's are above the law?
Also, if Casey is in touch with her parents, why does she blatently ignore them in court, not even a wave hello?
Snail mail to Casey would be subject to prison inspection, but what would keep the Ants from, say, sending an email to Casey via Jose's email address which he can then access by the laptop he takes with him? Of course then Jose could first censure or delete and Casey would view only what he wanted his girl to see. It is a new situation created by cyber space and while it seems sooo underhanded to me, as long as lawyers can carry laptops on client visits I don't know how that could be controlled.
Explorer
06-22-2009, 10:16 AM
I can't wait until somebody turns on the light and we can watch them scurry like mad.
I think the light is on and they are scurrying but they just wont GO AWAY:angry:
Jessspb
06-22-2009, 10:16 AM
Thanks ellegna . . . It finally worked after a few tries. I don't know why it kept changing videos after about 5 seconds. I just kept clicking on it and finally it played. Thanks! :thumbsup:
msgatorslayer
06-22-2009, 10:18 AM
Does anyone believe that he is preparing them ......I don't believe for a second they don't know.
And if they didn't already well it is all over the internet .
Wonder who they are going to say wrapped that duct tape around poor Caylee''s mouth (over lapping too).
IMO, the only thing he is preparing them on is their witness testimony on the stand. That the Pros. isn't going to be easy on them. No Yuri to softly hold Cindy's hand. The Pros. is going to go after them, hard.
desmom
06-22-2009, 10:18 AM
I think tahts why middle finger Lee is hiding out. They have something very damaging on him.
Or he is working secretly with LE and not telling mommy and daddy.....hey a girl can wish, can't she. :D
Explorer
06-22-2009, 10:20 AM
Snail mail to Casey would be subject to prison inspection, but what would keep the Ants from, say, sending an email to Casey via Jose's email address which he can then access by the laptop he takes with him? Of course then Jose could first censure or delete and Casey would view only what he wanted his girl to see. It is a new situation created by cyber space and while it seems sooo underhanded to me, as long as lawyers can carry laptops on client visits I don't know how that could be controlled.
Thats why they were so desperate to get a private visit with her. We all remember the private service were they could mourn as a family:rolleyes:
Explorer
06-22-2009, 10:21 AM
Or he is working secretly with LE and not telling mommy and daddy.....hey a girl can wish, can't she. :D
That would be a very smart thing to do but we are talking about the hand family.
101Spots
06-22-2009, 10:22 AM
I think the light is on and they are scurrying but they just wont GO AWAY:angry:
That's just a 15-watt bulb now. Wait until the Klieg lights get focused on them!:sneaky:
Scampi
06-22-2009, 10:24 AM
Does anyone believe that he is preparing them ......I don't believe for a second they don't know.
And if they didn't already well it is all over the internet .
Wonder who they are going to say wrapped that duct tape around poor Caylee''s mouth (over lapping too).
Nope, more likely it's cindy who is all over this like a fly on adipocere. Lecturing to george and brad exactly how the report will be twisted in an effort to free the OC.
:angry:
ellegna
06-22-2009, 10:24 AM
Or he is working secretly with LE and not telling mommy and daddy.....hey a girl can wish, can't she. :D
Ya know. You may just be right :w00t:
Nope, more likely it's cindy who is all over this like a fly on adipocere. Lecturing to george and brad exactly how the report will be twisted in an effort to free the OC.
:angry:
bolding mine.
:w00t: A perfect, albeit gross, description.
imo
toadii
06-22-2009, 10:32 AM
Thats why they were so desperate to get a private visit with her. We all remember the private service were they could mourn as a family:rolleyes:
I agree.
The Ants have to trust Jose as the middle man :tonguewag:
That has got to be creepy scary.:biggrin:
Oh well, they still have Conway to send into the defense camp.
breezie
06-22-2009, 10:33 AM
IMO, the only thing he is preparing them on is their witness testimony on the stand. That the Pros. isn't going to be easy on them. No Yuri to softly hold Cindy's hand. The Pros. is going to go after them, hard.
hope his *prep work* goes better than it did for the civil case. I can just see Cindy *Go there... ::huge wink::*
Caylee Anthony: Experts reach different conclusions on autopsy
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/06/caylee-anthony-experts-reach-different-conclusions-on-autopsy.html
imo
MissouriGMom
06-22-2009, 10:36 AM
:cursing: Dr Baden was just on Fox he said the autopsy was good for the defense. No drugs in her system. She might have duct tape around her mouth but this is speculation....but which is very upsetting for the public....so thats what has to be worked out..
Now that's just stupid! She had no system to check for drugs, just bones and hair, which showed no long term drugs. One lethal dose would not show up. And no duct tape around the mouth? Does he think Dr. G. was lying? :cursing:
desmom
06-22-2009, 10:36 AM
Morning everyone from sunny Maryland.....finally!!!
Thanks for all the links Canada and Des. Spitz was the absolute worst "expert" testifying in the spector trial. I am not surprised one
bit to see him show up in the anthony trial.
We might as well get used to this defense team using any flunky they can in floating trial balloons to the public to see which ones fly.
Off to watch the current ones on The Today Show.
IMO, Jose told Casey: I have gathered the best in the country for your defense team. I have:
Linda Kenney Baden a NY attorney who specializes in forensic evidence. She is married to Dr. Michael Baden and he is on TV all the time. He is a forensic pathologist, so it almost like getting a 2fer.
Dr. Henry Lee is also on board. His website states he is a "legendary investigator who is known for finding the tiniest clues and he even solved a murder without a body". Here ya go Casey, use my laptop and check out his website http://www.drhenrylee.com/
Dr. Kathy Reichs is a bestselling author and forensic anthropologist. She is the chief medial examiner in NC and she also consults with the Labora...Laba.....never mind, she consults with the Lab of Science in Quebec.
Dr. Timothy Hutton is a forensic entomology and has been a consultant on more than 50 death investigations in the States and in 4 foreign countries.
Dr. Werner Spitz is a forensic pathology and toxicology consultant. He has performed or supervised over 60,000 autopsies. His most famous are JonBenet, Nicole Simpson and Mary Jo Kopechne. He also testified at Phil Spector's trial.
See Casey, I told you how lucky you were to get me as your attorney. I promised you the best defense, and I have gathered the best.
All of the above is imo, jmo and moo.
Info about the above experts: http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2008/12/casey-anthony-1.html
msgatorslayer
06-22-2009, 10:39 AM
hope his *prep work* goes better than it did for the civil case. I can just see Cindy *Go there... ::huge wink::*
She's an attorney's worst nightmare, IMO.
I'd do a mock trial for Cindy. Push her buttons myself, as her Attorney. She's a hard one to control. But she needs to be in check, come trial.
comemonday
06-22-2009, 10:40 AM
Caylee Anthony: Experts reach different conclusions on autopsy
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/06/caylee-anthony-experts-reach-different-conclusions-on-autopsy.html
imo
Good morning... I just don't get it... duct tape around mouth. Several pieces... I don't know "how" this precious baby was killed but are they serious in saying that it wasn't murder (differing experts?) really???? or am I reading this article wrong?
bballgrl
06-22-2009, 10:42 AM
Casey's in trouble with or without Spitz. But you're right, he's a tool.
And thanks.
Beautiful Butterfly!!! How ya doin' lady?
Snoopy50
06-22-2009, 10:43 AM
he should have already prepped them (and I've no doubt they already knew/read/memorized it), this is damage control but to anyone not on team K(iller)C(asey) it's too late to explain away anything but these facts:
1. duct tape
2. 31 days
3. lies about where Caylee was (nannygate)
4. KC at bars rubbing up on other ladies and smiling her fool butt off at anything with ....um... junk in his pants
when Mr Conway has something to say about those things, I'll start listening.
We are going to need someone a whole lot better than Conway to explain these facts, so don't hold your breath.Good morning!
Snoopy50
06-22-2009, 10:45 AM
She's an attorney's worst nightmare, IMO.
I'd do a mock trial for Cindy. Push her buttons myself, as her Attorney. She's a hard one to control. But she needs to be in check, come trial. There isn't a person on earth, IMO, who can get Cindy under control. Mock trial will do nothing, this woman will not listen to anyone, she needs to be in control and run the show. (and her mouth) She will implode during the trial, it won't be pretty.:scared:
Rapunzel
06-22-2009, 10:47 AM
One year ago today....June 22, 2008
No activities documented in witness statements.
Casey’s phone records http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2385297
Casey’s ping logs: http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=p6Pnw95vqOo-MgZ7Vsp9pYg&gid=8
No text messages between Amy and Casey located in doc dumps.
Thanks Desmom for posting this.
I believe all messages marked SMS showing 0 sec. are text messages.
texski
06-22-2009, 10:49 AM
it seems to be a quiet day and i have a question that maybe you all can help me?
i know that pictures and videos have been sold to the media. now whenever we turn on a story about caylee we get pics and vidoes out again. does the media have to pay someone again to show them?? if abc owns the tv rights, can nancy grace put them on her show without payment?? or do they have to pay the ants over and over for using them?
was the media man sitting with george and cindy buying more stuff???
desmom
06-22-2009, 10:51 AM
:cursing: Dr Baden was just on Fox he said the autopsy was good for the defense. No drugs in her system. She might have duct tape around her mouth but this is speculation....but which is very upsetting for the public....so thats what has to be worked out..
bolding mine....
Did I miss something? On page 9 http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/orl-caylee-anthony-autopsy-1,0,3019763.htmlpage
A small rectangular piece of bone has been removed from the right tibia for the FBI for DNA analysis, and a fragment of bone was removed from the left femur for toxicology testing.
I scanned through the documents again and did not see any results for the tox report. Did anyone else? TIA
Autopsy report of examination
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/orl-caylee-anthony-autopsy-1,0,3019763.htmlpage
Forensic report
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/orl-caylee-anthony-autopsy-2,0,3085300.htmlpage
FBI report of examination
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/orl-caylee-anthony-autopsy-3,0,3150837.htmlpage
SandyO
06-22-2009, 10:54 AM
I think he thinks that the tape somehow was in the ground already and it happened to just SOMEHOW stick on her...But thats JMO. He also said something totally unbel last night on geraldo. trying to find a link. But it was something like coroners put a cloth like tape on the body to keep the jaw from opening.....
This brings back a sad memory for me. I was with my mom when she drew her last breath and her mouth remained gaping open. I held her jaw closed for the longest time hoping it would stay closed, but when the hospice nurse arrived she said, "It happens to all of us".
Danette44
06-22-2009, 10:56 AM
Morning, all. I just watched it.
Common sense!!!! Hopefully, all 12 jurors will have that. A 2 y.o doesn't end up discarded in the woods with duct tape on her mouth, triple bagged, on accident.
I haven't had enough coffee yet and I can still LMAO about him saying there wasn't residue on the bones. :rolleyes:
Good Morning Everyone -
Isn't the duct tape around Caylee matches the duct tape on the gas can found at the Anthony's? Everything follows back to the Anthony's home - 12 jurors are going to have a hard time trying to justify.....the 31 days, duct tape, and not ONE phone number for the Nanny, or address......unbelievable. jmoo
101Spots
06-22-2009, 10:56 AM
bolding mine....
Did I miss something? On page 9 http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/orl-caylee-anthony-autopsy-1,0,3019763.htmlpage
A small rectangular piece of bone has been removed from the right tibia for the FBI for DNA analysis, and a fragment of bone was removed from the left femur for toxicology testing.
I scanned through the documents again and did not see any results for the tox report. Did anyone else? TIA
Autopsy report of examination
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/orl-caylee-anthony-autopsy-1,0,3019763.htmlpage
Forensic report
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/orl-caylee-anthony-autopsy-2,0,3085300.htmlpage
FBI report of examination
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/orl-caylee-anthony-autopsy-3,0,3150837.htmlpage
There's one more report:
Forensic Toxicology Report (http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19801861/detail.html)
farrahrani
06-22-2009, 10:59 AM
bolding mine....
Did I miss something? On page 9 http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/orl-caylee-anthony-autopsy-1,0,3019763.htmlpage
A small rectangular piece of bone has been removed from the right tibia for the FBI for DNA analysis, and a fragment of bone was removed from the left femur for toxicology testing
I scanned through the documents again and did not see any results for the tox report. Did anyone else? TIA
Autopsy report of examination
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/orl-caylee-anthony-autopsy-1,0,3019763.htmlpage
Forensic report
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/orl-caylee-anthony-autopsy-2,0,3085300.htmlpage
FBI report of examination
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/orl-caylee-anthony-autopsy-3,0,3150837.htmlpage
Apparently, like Creative Writing, "Creative Defense" is also being taught >.<
Baden must have taken a page out of Conway's book, with BC's "no duct tape wrapped around the head" assertion.
I guess the defense team has no problem being dishonest, taking the public for unwashed, uneducated idjits, who will forget all their lies by the time the trial rolls around and contradicts them. :cursing:
Baden probably goes by the old school of thought that THC/TBC whatever that was, that a poster said was found in her system (marijuana for us non-experts lol), since it is weed...well weed isn't a drug, its an heeerb, man, can you dig it? barf
Rapunzel
06-22-2009, 10:59 AM
Most welcome
I just finished watching and I must say Dr Spitz should turn in his microscope.
Not evident it's a murder? I guess wrapping several layers of duct tape around Caylee's head doesn't qualify consideration?
No duct tape residue on the bones? Why would there be? The tape was affixed to flesh and hair. :cursing:
Need another coffee
There was no soft tissue or flesh left under the duct tape...Caylee was under water for a long time and I think the tape covering her mouth and nose was still there because it was stuck to her hair...regardless it was placed over her nose and mouth with intent to do harm...smothering by her mother.
sammy62
06-22-2009, 11:03 AM
There isn't a person on earth, IMO, who can get Cindy under control. Mock trial will do nothing, this woman will not listen to anyone, she needs to be in control and run the show. (and her mouth) She will implode during the trial, it won't be pretty.:scared:
It won't be pretty....but I can't wait. :tonguewag:
desmom
06-22-2009, 11:03 AM
There's one more report:
Forensic Toxicology Report (http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19801861/detail.html)
Thanks! :seeya:
The last sentence of the report from your link:
These results do not rule out the decedent's prior use and/or exposure to volatiles and/or drugs.
kanzz
06-22-2009, 11:03 AM
Or he is working secretly with LE and not telling mommy and daddy.....hey a girl can wish, can't she. :D
Do we think this is inconceivable? I don't. His behavior is bizarre, and some of the things he has said wouldn't lead me to think he's cooperating with LE, but some things have made me wonder. When he laughed about Casey lying about her whereabouts, he sure seemed to be making fun of her, imo. I dunno. He's perplexing for sure.
Lavinia
06-22-2009, 11:06 AM
There's one more report:
Forensic Toxicology Report (http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19801861/detail.html)
Unfortunately, she was too far decomposed to get anything valuable from this. You'll notice, this test didn't even register products of decomposition and I'm pretty sure that occurred.
(Where's my moola, Spots? :sneaky:)
trich
06-22-2009, 11:08 AM
The good old Dr said on Greta that he hasnt read the autopsy...Maybe he still hasnt....
You would think these "people" would read the latest before they got
up on tv and gave their ridiculous opinions.
Of course he is just trying to promote his book.
I had to turn the man off this morning because he could not even
complete a sentence properly.
Amazing how these "experts" talk jibberish.
I do wish again the media outlets in NY would interview Kathi Belch and the whole world might know what really is happening in this case.
SandyO
06-22-2009, 11:09 AM
Thanks! :seeya:
The last sentence of the report from your link:
These results do not rule out the decedent's prior use and/or exposure to volatiles and/or drugs.
This is exactly what I've been trying to say all along, des. Just because evidence from the skeletal remains does not reveal volatiles or drugs DOES NOT mean they weren't used. It just means evidence wasn't FOUND.
desmom
06-22-2009, 11:10 AM
You would think these "people" would read the latest before they got
up on tv and gave their ridiculous opinions.
Of course he is just trying to promote his book.
I had to turn the man off this morning because he could not even
complete a sentence properly.
Amazing how these "experts" talk jibberish.
I do wish again the media outlets in NY would interview Kathi Belch and the whole world might know what really is happening in this case.
Since they are working for the defense, IMO, they are attempting to put doubt into the jury pool's mind.
Rapunzel
06-22-2009, 11:10 AM
it seems to be a quiet day and i have a question that maybe you all can help me?
i know that pictures and videos have been sold to the media. now whenever we turn on a story about caylee we get pics and vidoes out again. does the media have to pay someone again to show them?? if abc owns the tv rights, can nancy grace put them on her show without payment?? or do they have to pay the ants over and over for using them?
was the media man sitting with george and cindy buying more stuff???
Good question...knowing them, every time a picture or video of Caylee is shown...they prolly get residuals like reruns from TV...remember they had Caylee's name trademarked...wonder how that comes into play???
trich
06-22-2009, 11:12 AM
Do we think this is inconceivable? I don't. His behavior is bizarre, and some of the things he has said wouldn't lead me to think he's cooperating with LE, but some things have made me wonder. When he laughed about Casey lying about her whereabouts, he sure seemed to be making fun of her, imo. I dunno. He's perplexing for sure.
IMO he was not making fun of Casey he was trying to cover up for telling the lies he has told and he thinks laughing will do it.
When in truth it did nothing more then show his stupidty and lack of character.
Haven't you all noticed how the Anthonys(all of them) talk almost in another language.....I don't think any of them know how to tell something the way it is.
You woul dthink if they read these boards even once in a while they would get the message...........
kanzz
06-22-2009, 11:15 AM
This brings back a sad memory for me. I was with my mom when she drew her last breath and her mouth remained gaping open. I held her jaw closed for the longest time hoping it would stay closed, but when the hospice nurse arrived she said, "It happens to all of us".
Bless your heart.
True, it does happen to all of us. Every muscle relaxes. This is why Dr. Jan's assessment is so spot on and why the prosecution has stated this was intentional. The baby's airways were taped shut. I have no doubt that is how she died. I read a couple of days ago that someone speculated she was also thrown into the pool and drown. That would be unnecessary extra work.
Unleashed
06-22-2009, 11:17 AM
:cursing: Dr Baden was just on Fox he said the autopsy was good for the defense. No drugs in her system. She might have duct tape around her mouth but this is speculation....but which is very upsetting for the public....so thats what has to be worked out..
I haven't seen Fox, so please bear with me. Dr. Badone is claiming the duct tape around her mouth is speculation? So is the entire autopsy report speculation? Is the body really Caylee, or is that just speculation too?
Sheesh. Too early for this carp.
JMO
sammy62
06-22-2009, 11:22 AM
Do we think this is inconceivable? I don't. His behavior is bizarre, and some of the things he has said wouldn't lead me to think he's cooperating with LE, but some things have made me wonder. When he laughed about Casey lying about her whereabouts, he sure seemed to be making fun of her, imo. I dunno. He's perplexing for sure.
great....I have a task now. I'm going to watch all of Lee's interviews etc today with this spin on it. See what I can see.
Morning, all. I just watched it.
Common sense!!!! Hopefully, all 12 jurors will have that. A 2 y.o doesn't end up discarded in the woods with duct tape on her mouth, triple bagged, on accident.
I haven't had enough coffee yet and I can still LMAO about him saying there wasn't residue on the bones. :rolleyes:
BINGO! That happens when someone is wanting to "hide" what has happened. And, who attempted to mislead her family and friends about the whereabouts of Caylee? ...IMO, there is absolutely no way that the defense will be able to explain away this. No way.
Snoopy50
06-22-2009, 11:24 AM
Good question...knowing them, every time a picture or video of Caylee is shown...they prolly get residuals like reruns from TV...remember they had Caylee's name trademarked...wonder how that comes into play???
Does anyone recall other cases where the victim's family had the name trademarked?$$$$$ is all these people care about IMO. They saw an opportunity and took it. Forget the grandchild, whoo hoo.......we can be rich and famous and not need jobs. Oh, that's right, George never needed one before this.:angry:
IMO, the only thing he is preparing them on is their witness testimony on the stand. That the Pros. isn't going to be easy on them. No Yuri to softly hold Cindy's hand. The Pros. is going to go after them, hard.
Has anyone heard any news on whether Morgan/Mitnik has been able to get a court hearing date, in place of the one that Conway "wasn't" able to make?
kanzz
06-22-2009, 11:29 AM
great....I have a task now. I'm going to watch all of Lee's interviews etc today with this spin on it. See what I can see.
oh Goodie! I can't wait to read your report! Thanks for taking one for the team
:)
Conway said he is going to spend time this week preparing the Ant's for what is in the autopsy report.
I think we are going to see more of Conway without the Ant's trying to paint the picture of the grieving grandparents.
imo
maybe it finally dawned on the Anthony's that their public appearances are hurting them. All it took was one question from the media attorney in court the other day and all their arguments about privacy and grieving and tarnishing Caylee's memory went out the window. BC may have grabbed the chance to muzzle them for a while. But they'll be back, they never learn.
FallenAngel♥
06-22-2009, 11:32 AM
Yup - just like on LKL when Conway said something like there was no duct tape around the head....
Don't forget he also said there was NO hair and bloggers were just lying about the hair.
Rapunzel
06-22-2009, 11:33 AM
Has anyone heard any news on whether Morgan/Mitnik has been able to get a court hearing date, in place of the one that Conway "wasn't" able to make?
Yeah Ironsides would have never missed a court date...:biggrin: I'm sure Brad will have more ailments in the future...:biggrin:
jammies
06-22-2009, 11:40 AM
Thats why shes so mad at mommy and daddy they let her down. They were supposed to fix it for her and they failed.
I think you are ABSOLUTELY correct, explorer.
I've been harping on this issue of WHO sent DC to find the remains for weeks now.
He worked for Cindy and GA so it's pretty darn obvious they gave him the exact location where Caylee would be found.
Interesting that we haven't heard word one from DC, isn't it?
desmom
06-22-2009, 11:40 AM
oh Goodie! I can't wait to read your report! Thanks for taking one for the team
:)
Ditto.....
Does anyone believe that he is preparing them ......I don't believe for a second they don't know.
And if they didn't already well it is all over the internet .
Wonder who they are going to say wrapped that duct tape around poor Caylee''s mouth (over lapping too).
I wonder if Conway has access to the photos?
GumShoeJoe
06-22-2009, 11:46 AM
Yeah ITA..
I wanted to turn it off to but I sat there and watched it.
I was yelling at the TV...Thats right theres PUBLIC OUTCRY..Do theses lawyers think the public is stupid? I guess so...
They hope for stupid, and they are counting on it for any chance at all, imo.
Pam1569
06-22-2009, 11:46 AM
Thanks for all the links desmom. :seeya:
I have a question about the tox report. The tox report only showed the femur what about the hair? I wonder what it showed and if it did come out could someone throw me in the right direction.
Also for all who missed Geraldo last night
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdclYYAx86E
It is just so infuriating when actual factual evidence comes out how all the defense attorneys have to come out and say this is all hogwash. They spin everything that has come out in the discovery process but have nothing to back it up. It is going to be very interesting when they are finally in a court of law facing the jury and try to distort the facts and try to get around the pc lookups, the partying, the 31 days, the stealing of money (from just about everyone), the ex-friends testimony of how her mood didn't change in the 31 days, the invisible nanny, the invisible job, the actual findings of the car and there is so much more. :cursing:
desmom
06-22-2009, 11:47 AM
Gm everyone, Have been reading here for a long time. Really enjoy all the post. Thought I read on here about the pros. wanting to take photos of Caseys tatoo? Does anyone know anything about this? Thanks. also was very interesting with the "grave wax" wonder if NG will pick up on that.
State Requests Picture of Casey Anthony’s Tattoo
http://www.cayleedaily.com/2009/06/state-requests-picture-of-casey-anthonys-tattoo/
Snoopy50
06-22-2009, 11:50 AM
I think you are ABSOLUTELY correct, explorer.
I've been harping on this issue of WHO sent DC to find the remains for weeks now.
He worked for Cindy and GA so it's pretty darn obvious they gave him the exact location where Caylee would be found.
Interesting that we haven't heard word one from DC, isn't it?
We haven't heard one peep.....he didn't even show up for his deposition in the civil case.
Clearly, this guy does not want to answer questions, IMO.
desmom
06-22-2009, 11:50 AM
Thanks for all the links desmom. :seeya:
I have a question about the tox report. The tox report only showed the femur what about the hair? I wonder what it showed and if it did come out could someone throw me in the right direction.
Also for all who missed Geraldo last night
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdclYYAx86E
It is just so infuriating when actual factual evidence comes out how all the defense attorneys have to come out and say this is all hogwash. They spin everything that has come out in the discovery process but have nothing to back it up. It is going to be very interesting when they are finally in a court of law facing the jury and try to distort the facts and try to get around the pc lookups, the partying, the 31 days, the stealing of money (from just about everyone), the ex-friends testimony of how her mood didn't change in the 31 days, the invisible nanny, the invisible job, the actual findings of the car and there is so much more. :cursing:
Link provided by 101Spots up thread http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19801861/detail.html
lists the bone, bone marrow, hair and soil.
jmo
ellegna
06-22-2009, 11:50 AM
There was no soft tissue or flesh left under the duct tape...Caylee was under water for a long time and I think the tape covering her mouth and nose was still there because it was stuck to her hair...regardless it was placed over her nose and mouth with intent to do harm...smothering by her mother.
Hi
I'm aware of that and that's what makes Dr Baden's comment about no tape residue found on Caylee's bones so ridiculous. When the duct tape was first wrapped, there was flesh. After the flesh disappeared and being submerged under water, how does Dr Baden expect the duct tape to affix itself to Caylee's bones and leave residue?
Pam1569
06-22-2009, 11:53 AM
Link provided by 101Spots up thread http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19801861/detail.html
lists the bone, bone marrow, hair and soil.
jmo
TY desmom, :punch: Duh me, I gone blind from all the reports. TY again
Snoopy50
06-22-2009, 11:53 AM
Hi
I'm aware of that and that's what makes Dr Baden's comment about no tape residue found on Caylee's bones so ridiculous. When the duct tape was first wrapped, there was flesh. After the flesh disappeared and being submerged under water, how does Dr Baden expect the duct tape to affix itself to Caylee's bones and leave residue?
Baden says whatever he is PAID to say, IMO. Regardless how silly the man sounds, he spews what they pay him to spew. MOO:glare:
Chardonnay
06-22-2009, 11:56 AM
Did you see The Today Show on the autopsy report this morning? I can't believe what the defense expert is saying.. He's saying there is NO duct tape.
Then BC had to be on...
Rapunzel
06-22-2009, 11:59 AM
Did you see The Today Show on the autopsy report this morning? I can't believe what the defense expert is saying.. He's saying there is NO duct tape.
Then BC had to be on...
I'm sure Cindy told BC to get his butt out there and spin...spin...spin...doesn't do a very good job...but he is all they have right now.
desmom
06-22-2009, 11:59 AM
We haven't heard one peep.....he didn't even show up for his deposition in the civil case.
Clearly, this guy does not want to answer questions, IMO.
He is probably concerned Morgan & Morgan will ask what was discussed off tape 75 pages into the LE interview.
Here is DC's LE transcript: http://www.docstoc.com/docs/4380098/Transcript-of-Dominic-Casey-interview-01072009
jammies
06-22-2009, 12:00 PM
We haven't heard one peep.....he didn't even show up for his deposition in the civil case.
Clearly, this guy does not want to answer questions, IMO.
DC is who I am the most curious about. Is he still working for the A'a? Didn't Cindy say something not too long ago that she has people looking for the REAL murderer, blah blah?
With all the info DC has, he could be big trouble for the A"s. I'm PRAYING that Cindy threw him under the bus and he spills his guts!
Remember how "close" he and Cindy became? her "rock", etc. I think what that guy knows is HUGE for the prosecution.
runnnempty
06-22-2009, 12:02 PM
Nancy Grace is on The View today, maybe she'll talk about the case
5boxersmom
06-22-2009, 12:04 PM
Nancy Grace is on The View today, maybe she'll talk about the case
I was just coming to post this. :thumbsup:
bchand
06-22-2009, 12:04 PM
Conway said he is going to spend time this week preparing the Ant's for what is in the autopsy report.
I think we are going to see more of Conway without the Ant's trying to paint the picture of the grieving grandparents.
imo
Just catching up but I "guess" no one on the Today Show asked him why he lied about the duct tape not being on her head?
State Requests Picture of Casey Anthony’s Tattoo
http://www.cayleedaily.com/2009/06/state-requests-picture-of-casey-anthonys-tattoo/
Why do you suppose they want a pic of the tatoo?
imo
SandyO
06-22-2009, 12:10 PM
I'm sure Cindy told BC to get his butt out there and spin...spin...spin...doesn't do a very good job...but he is all they have right now.
He is definitely looking more and more like a pawn for Casey/Baez. This isn't within the scope of representing George and Cindy.
AnnieBell
06-22-2009, 12:11 PM
What did Brad have to say?
I think it was really3997 that said the guy sitting next to Cindy at the hearing last week was a producer from the Today show. :rolleyes:
Good morning everyone.
imo
Ahhhh, now isn't that interesting. Are there any forms of exclusive rights that the networks would have with the Anthonys? Probably not since ABC/Disney paid for the Ritz trip and CBS does the interviews that IMO are laughable at the least. Who knows maybe Cindy writes the script and the interviewer plays the actress in the Anthony soap opera.
Ellie
06-22-2009, 12:11 PM
You have got to be kidding me. Now LKB's husband is chiming in on this?What, are they a two-for-one deal everywhere? I mean come on. Where's flippin' Bruce Cutler? Let's just get the whole Spector team and see what they come up with. It'll be like a reunion!! (Though if the DA on this case were AJ I would be very comfortable with the prosecution ....not that I'm worried.)
Wow.
I just hope that once this goes to trial the jury can see through the fog that the defense is creating. Speculation on the duct tape, eh? I'm thinkin Dr. G wasn't "speculating" when she saw it, right? I can't even believe the cr@p they're letting people say on tv. When Spitz said there was no duct tape residue on the skull, why didn't they have someone else saying "no s*&$, Sherlock. The duct tape was put there BEFORE the tissue disolved, the residue went with the tissue".
I can tell this is going to make me crazy. :glare:
:cursing: Dr Baden was just on Fox he said the autopsy was good for the defense. No drugs in her system. She might have duct tape around her mouth but this is speculation....but which is very upsetting for the public....so thats what has to be worked out..
Chardonnay
06-22-2009, 12:12 PM
Why do you suppose they want a pic of the tatoo?
imo
This is a comment made by someone there..
"See picture #25-is that Casey? Is that the tattoo?
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/florida/orl-photos-casey-anthony-discovery-040609,0,872795.photogallery"
sammy62
06-22-2009, 12:12 PM
Ditto.....
might take me awhile....somehow my house got trashed this weekend. Its all you "guys" fault. Big Sigh. I hate housework when I have a murder to solve. :tonguewag:
desmom
06-22-2009, 12:13 PM
Why do you suppose they want a pic of the tatoo?
imo
Evidence of Casey's concern for her missing daughter.
Is Casey's La Bella Vita tattoo Diane Down's unicorn?
jmo
ellegna
06-22-2009, 12:15 PM
Why do you suppose they want a pic of the tatoo?
imo
Casey got the tattoo after Caylee was last seen. Strange tattoo to get while your child is missing.
Here's the interview with the tattoo parlor
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRzCg68Z_yM&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tattoo-lettering.net%2F2009%2F06%2Fcaseys-tattoo-shop-friends%2F&feature=player_embedded
runnnempty
06-22-2009, 12:17 PM
Why do you suppose they want a pic of the tatoo?
imo
They might want it for the motions hearing. I just wish they would make Casey display her tattoo at trial. She's going to have a hard time explaining that one away. Wonder if Baez will try to stop the state from taking a photograph of the tattoo.
Chardonnay
06-22-2009, 12:20 PM
They might want it for the motions hearing. I just wish they would make Casey display her tattoo at trial. She's going to have a hard time explaining that one away. Wonder if Baez will try to stop the state from taking a photograph of the tattoo.
Oh you know he will.. He's prolly down at the court house right now. :cursing:
Then BC will be right behind him saying it's too emotional for the A's..
Facinated
06-22-2009, 12:22 PM
They might want it for the motions hearing. I just wish they would make Casey display her tattoo at trial. She's going to have a hard time explaining that one away. Wonder if Baez will try to stop the state from taking a photograph of the tattoo.
I think the state wants a picture of the tattoo to confirm with the artist on the stand if that is the tattoo he did, and what date he did it on. Hopefully if JB is successful in not allowing a picture of the tattoo, that the artist took a picture himself when he did it.
JMO
5boxersmom
06-22-2009, 12:22 PM
This is a comment made by someone there..
"See picture #25-is that Casey? Is that the tattoo?
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/florida/orl-photos-casey-anthony-discovery-040609,0,872795.photogallery"
The link will not work.
AnnieBell
06-22-2009, 12:22 PM
He is probably concerned Morgan & Morgan will ask what was discussed off tape 75 pages into the LE interview.
Here is DC's LE transcript: http://www.docstoc.com/docs/4380098/Transcript-of-Dominic-Casey-interview-01072009
I had a chance to read DC's response to why he should not be held in contempt of court. Although I found the motion interesting to read and got a couple of laughs out of it, aren't motions suppose to written in an objective(just the facts) format? help me out here lega eagles
M&M did come back with a response addressing his motion. I looked into the attorney for DC and came across her listed specialty areas which include divorce and child custody.
Back to DC's complaint that he has the right to work product, his attorney fails to mention that not only did he have a contract to work for the Anthony's but he hand a separate one with Casey. He even faxed a notification to LE informing them he was representing Casey.:ohmy:
desmom
06-22-2009, 12:23 PM
The link will not work.
Remove the " at the end. Try this:
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/florida/orl-photos-casey-anthony-discovery-040609,0,872795.photogallery
Rapunzel
06-22-2009, 12:23 PM
Why do you suppose they want a pic of the tatoo?
imo
Prolly just to have a psychical example of one of the things she was doing when she said she was looking for Caylee.
Unleashed
06-22-2009, 12:28 PM
might take me awhile....somehow my house got trashed this weekend. Its all you "guys" fault. Big Sigh. I hate housework when I have a murder to solve. :tonguewag:
I'm sending the housework fairy to your house, sammy62.
Now get back here!!:w00t:
jmo
Chardonnay
06-22-2009, 12:28 PM
Remove the " at the end. Try this:
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/florida/orl-photos-casey-anthony-discovery-040609,0,872795.photogallery
Thanks Des ! Again you come to the rescue!:wub:
AnnieBell
06-22-2009, 12:30 PM
it seems to be a quiet day and i have a question that maybe you all can help me?
i know that pictures and videos have been sold to the media. now whenever we turn on a story about caylee we get pics and vidoes out again. does the media have to pay someone again to show them?? if abc owns the tv rights, can nancy grace put them on her show without payment?? or do they have to pay the ants over and over for using them?
was the media man sitting with george and cindy buying more stuff???
I've been wondering that myself. I'm all for shutting down the income revenue maker the Anthonys have going. Does anyone know where the investigation stands on this questionable NPO? Are the records accessible to the public?
ellegna
06-22-2009, 12:32 PM
The link will not work.
I enlarged the pic as best I can but it appears to be a cross with some vine of thorns wrapping around it.
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r129/wegworker/tattoo.jpg
5boxersmom
06-22-2009, 12:34 PM
Remove the " at the end. Try this:
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/florida/orl-photos-casey-anthony-discovery-040609,0,872795.photogallery
Thank you des. I remember a discussion months ago about that photo.
SandyO
06-22-2009, 12:36 PM
I've been wondering that myself. I'm all for shutting down the income revenue maker the Anthonys have going. Does anyone know where the investigation stands on this questionable NPO? Are the records accessible to the public?
How can we get an accounting of how the income to that "foundation" is being spent? I'd bet almost anything it is paying the living expenses for two of our favorite people. I doubt they've had many donations, but it surprises me that Casey is still receivng gifts for her commissary account, too.
Pam1569
06-22-2009, 12:37 PM
I enlarged the pic as best I can but it appears to be a cross with some vine of thorns wrapping around it.
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r129/wegworker/tattoo.jpg
Hi elle, That is what I saw also a cross with vines, but I thought the tattoo was on her left shoulder of the beautiful life? Does this mean she has more than one tattoo?:confused:
Casey got the tattoo after Caylee was last seen. Strange tattoo to get while your child is missing.
Here's the interview with the tattoo parlor
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRzCg68Z_yM&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tattoo-lettering.net%2F2009%2F06%2Fcaseys-tattoo-shop-friends%2F&feature=player_embedded
Thanks. My mind is not working well for a Monday. I was thinking there was something in the tatoo pic itself they wanted to see. More coffee ASAP!
imo
The link will not work.
Try this one:
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/florida/orl-photos-casey-anthony-discovery-040609,0,872795.photogallery
imo
I enlarged the pic as best I can but it appears to be a cross with some vine of thorns wrapping around it.
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r129/wegworker/tattoo.jpg
The female sporting that tattoo doesn't look at all like Casey to me. Not a bit.
cassidy
06-22-2009, 12:45 PM
Do we think this is inconceivable? I don't. His behavior is bizarre, and some of the things he has said wouldn't lead me to think he's cooperating with LE, but some things have made me wonder. When he laughed about Casey lying about her whereabouts, he sure seemed to be making fun of her, imo. I dunno. He's perplexing for sure.
I disagree. His behavior is certainly bizarre. Period. The only person he's cooperating with is Casey.
JMO
kitty1182
06-22-2009, 12:45 PM
I was thinking she had a tat on her lower back?
happygert
06-22-2009, 12:47 PM
Hi elle, That is what I saw also a cross with vines, but I thought the tattoo was on her left shoulder of the beautiful life? Does this mean she has more than one tattoo?:confused:
yes she even has a shamrock... get the connection....c wearing a shamrock is for casey...
Imperfect4
06-22-2009, 12:49 PM
he should have already prepped them (and I've no doubt they already knew/read/memorized it), this is damage control but to anyone not on team K(iller)C(asey) it's too late to explain away anything but these facts:
1. duct tape
2. 31 days
3. lies about where Caylee was (nannygate)
4. KC at bars rubbing up on other ladies and smiling her fool butt off at anything with ....um... junk in his pants
when Mr Conway has something to say about those things, I'll start listening.
Ditto. When anyone on Team Casey starts to address the REAL issues in this case, I will, as Judge Judy says, put on my listening ears.
Lyons will drag this case out, and it won't go to trial for a long time. Lyon has a book coming out, and will no doubt be using this case in her next book.
I fail to see why there has not been more effort on the part of the defense to depose more of the State's witnesses.
alisa31235
06-22-2009, 12:53 PM
Hello all you great posters thanks for all the info! I am just curious is anyone looking for the real nanny that is a "10" and missing a flat iron of some sort? JMO
Imperfect4
06-22-2009, 12:54 PM
:cursing: Dr Baden was just on Fox he said the autopsy was good for the defense. No drugs in her system. She might have duct tape around her mouth but this is speculation....but which is very upsetting for the public....so thats what has to be worked out..
Good for the defense, my tookus.
The pros could just as easily have a field day with the lack of drugs. A kinder, gentler mother might've knocked her baby out with a med before covering her face in duct tape.
A kinder, gentler mother might've accidentally killed her baby with an overdose.
Only a heartless, vicious b!tch would use duct tape as the weapon against her alert, terrified toddler.
I fail to see how a lack of drugs helps the defense.
GMAB.
desmom
06-22-2009, 12:54 PM
Hi elle, That is what I saw also a cross with vines, but I thought the tattoo was on her left shoulder of the beautiful life? Does this mean she has more than one tattoo?:confused:
Lance White, an employee of Cast Iron Tattoos, said it was on her left shoulder. http://www.momlogic.com/2008/11/casey_anthony_jose_baez_padill.php
Danny Colamarino, owner of Cast Iron Tattoos, said it is on her shoulder blade. page 185 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3868229/guide-to-casey-anthony-documents-orlando-sentinel
ETA ~ Interesting, Caylee's missing flyer states she has a birthmark on her left shoulder.
http://www.kidfindersnetwork.com/files/CayleeFlyer.pdf
kitty1182
06-22-2009, 12:55 PM
Hello all you great posters thanks for all the info! I am just curious is anyone looking for the real nanny that is a "10" and missing a flat iron of some sort? JMO
I think she is sitting in jail and has the intials CA..lol
Most welcome
I just finished watching and I must say Dr Spitz should turn in his microscope.
Not evident it's a murder? I guess wrapping several layers of duct tape around Caylee's head doesn't qualify consideration?
No duct tape residue on the bones? Why would there be? The tape was affixed to flesh and hair. :cursing:
Need another coffee
I stay in lurker mode most of the time.....but I do hope this post is "bumped" along all day long. Great poster here for sure.
Hopefully someone can get through to NG tonight and point this out to all the public that watches her.....Stop Spitz from Spinning..:cursing:
Hello all you great posters thanks for all the info! I am just curious is anyone looking for the real nanny that is a "10" and missing a flat iron of some sort? JMO
chuckles.... I wonder which of Casey ex-friends or friend of an ex-friend Casey stole the flat iron from?
5boxersmom
06-22-2009, 12:56 PM
Lyons will drag this case out, and it won't go to trial for a long time. Lyon has a book coming out, and will no doubt be using this case in her next book.
I fail to see why there has not been more effort on the part of the defense to depose more of the State's witnesses.
The Baden's have a book coming out also right?
kitty1182
06-22-2009, 12:56 PM
Lance White, an employee of Cast Iron Tattoos, said it was on her left shoulder. http://www.momlogic.com/2008/11/casey_anthony_jose_baez_padill.php
Danny Colamarino, owner of Cast Iron Tattoos, said it is on her shoulder blade. page 185 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3868229/guide-to-casey-anthony-documents-orlando-sentinel
Wasn't there a pic of her bending over and she has one on her lower back too?:confused:
ellegna
06-22-2009, 12:57 PM
The female sporting that tattoo doesn't look at all like Casey to me. Not a bit.
It may not be her but this photo was included in the evidence released
on 4/6/09. If it's not Casey, I'm curious who it is then? :confused:
Imperfect4
06-22-2009, 12:59 PM
Unfortunately, she was too far decomposed to get anything valuable from this. You'll notice, this test didn't even register products of decomposition and I'm pretty sure that occurred.
(Where's my moola, Spots? :sneaky:)
Are you starting up already, young lady? :glare:
Pam1569
06-22-2009, 12:59 PM
yes she even has a shamrock... get the connection....c wearing a shamrock is for casey...
TY happy, I didn't know that she was tattooed with a shamrock also. I wonder if the Daly's have pictures of all?
desmom
06-22-2009, 12:59 PM
Wasn't there a pic of her bending over and she has one on her lower back too?:confused:
Bobby Williams said clover on her lower back http://www.momlogic.com/2008/11/casey_anthony_jose_baez_padill.php
ellegna
06-22-2009, 12:59 PM
I stay in lurker mode most of the time.....but I do hope this post is "bumped" along all day long. Great poster here for sure.
Hopefully someone can get through to NG tonight and point this out to all the public that watches her.....Stop Spitz from Spinning..:cursing:
:blushing: aw thank you but there are much more better posters here than I
cassidy
06-22-2009, 01:00 PM
Why would he need to paint a picture? They are the grieving grandparents!
:confused:
Because they haven't been acting like grieving grandparents. They have been acting like distraught parents of a wrongfully (in their eyes) accused daughter.
JMO
Did you see The Today Show on the autopsy report this morning? I can't believe what the defense expert is saying.. He's saying there is NO duct tape.
Then BC had to be on...
they are going that route because as long as the autopsy pictures are sealed thay can play word games with what the written report says or doesn't say. Once those photos are presented as evidence the truth will be confirmed.
Imperfect4
06-22-2009, 01:01 PM
This is exactly what I've been trying to say all along, des. Just because evidence from the skeletal remains does not reveal volatiles or drugs DOES NOT mean they weren't used. It just means evidence wasn't FOUND.
Exactly. And it's something else I think the pros can use to demonstrate just how heinous the OC is. And whoever may have aided and abetted obstructing the investigation and search for Caylee. Thanks to that group, there wasn't much left of Caylee to test by the time she was found. Deliberate and intentional withholding of the truth of her whereabouts to insure she was fully skeletonized by the time she was found.
kitty1182
06-22-2009, 01:01 PM
Bobby Williams said clover on her lower back http://www.momlogic.com/2008/11/casey_anthony_jose_baez_padill.php
Thanks..That's it!! :smile:
Unleashed
06-22-2009, 01:04 PM
Are you starting up already, young lady? :glare:
Apparantly I'm going to have to settle this again.:tonguewag:
Imperfect4
06-22-2009, 01:04 PM
Does anyone recall other cases where the victim's family had the name trademarked?$$$$$ is all these people care about IMO. They saw an opportunity and took it. Forget the grandchild, whoo hoo.......we can be rich and famous and not need jobs. Oh, that's right, George never needed one before this.:angry:
Now, now Snoopy. The A's deserve compensation ... look what they've been put through by all the maggots, parasite and leeches.
Imperfect4
06-22-2009, 01:06 PM
I think you are ABSOLUTELY correct, explorer.
I've been harping on this issue of WHO sent DC to find the remains for weeks now.
He worked for Cindy and GA so it's pretty darn obvious they gave him the exact location where Caylee would be found.
Interesting that we haven't heard word one from DC, isn't it?
It is, indeed. :sneaky:
Oh Dominic, dear ... come out, come out, wherever you are. :rolleyes:
ETA: I like to think the reason M&M haven't been able to reschedule DCasey's depo (and have now charged him with contempt), is because DCasey has a large and ever-growing role in the criminal case. And perhaps OTHER criminal cases which have yet to be filed.
happygert
06-22-2009, 01:08 PM
TY happy, I didn't know that she was tattooed with a shamrock also. I wonder if the Daly's have pictures of all?
That I don't know Pam, but im sure they have them in with her booking photo's.. IIRC all tattoo's are photographed..or is that just when they go to prison? heck I don't know.. But I do know they got a warrant to get a picture of the one she got when Caylee was so called missing..
Unleashed
06-22-2009, 01:09 PM
Good for the defense, my tookus.
The pros could just as easily have a field day with the lack of drugs. A kinder, gentler mother might've knocked her baby out with a med before covering her face in duct tape.
A kinder, gentler mother might've accidentally killed her baby with an overdose.
Only a heartless, vicious b!tch would use duct tape as the weapon against her alert, terrified toddler.
I fail to see how a lack of drugs helps the defense.
GMAB.
You said it exactly, Imp.
I was praying that they would find a trace of any drug in her hair or bone marrow.
Anything to alleviate the terror of watching her own mother killing her.:crying:
JMO
texski
06-22-2009, 01:10 PM
How can we get an accounting of how the income to that "foundation" is being spent? I'd bet almost anything it is paying the living expenses for two of our favorite people. I doubt they've had many donations, but it surprises me that Casey is still receivng gifts for her commissary account, too.
at one time a poster here remarked about the foundation of the milsteads, having strange so called expenses listed, so there must be a way to get the info.
maybe once a year you must report income, outgo?? when was the ants started??
and i would still like to know if we are giving them more income every time we see those pics and videos.
Scampi
06-22-2009, 01:11 PM
It is, indeed. :sneaky:
Oh Dominic, dear ... come out, come out, wherever you are. :rolleyes:
ETA: I like to think the reason M&M haven't been able to reschedule DCasey's depo (and have now charged him with contempt), is because DCasey has a large and ever-growing role in the criminal case. And perhaps OTHER criminal cases which have yet to be filed.
I would not put it past the anthonys to have alerted dom casey as to where the remains were, so he could find them, collect the quarter million dollar reward and then split it with them.
Sandy001
06-22-2009, 01:13 PM
Enjoli lived in Oviedo at one time. IIRC, JP and friends used to live in Oviedo. From what I have read a lot of University of Central Florida students live in there. This person may have been a friend through JP...imo.
So many of these young people's lives have been invaded because of Casey. I do not see any reason to post the info of this person and see another life destroyed. I am sorry.
Des ~ The entire family has left a wake of destruction in their paths. They have slandered anyone and everyone they can. There's no reason to drag another person through the mud in this case.
Who can forget Cindy calling Tim Miller a "drunk"? Forget all the good he has done and tried to do. Drag him down as far as you can, Cindy. It's what you do best - trash people with your trashy lies. I have to stop now before I type something I will regret. jmo
Explorer
06-22-2009, 01:14 PM
I think casey anthony may have been under the impression that the remains were already located and moved and thats where her jailhouse shock episode came in.
Imperfect4
06-22-2009, 01:15 PM
Remove the " at the end. Try this:
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/florida/orl-photos-casey-anthony-discovery-040609,0,872795.photogallery
des -- does that look like Casey to you? Doesn't to me. :huh:
Scampi
06-22-2009, 01:16 PM
You said it exactly, Imp.
I was praying that they would find a trace of any drug in her hair or bone marrow.
Anything to alleviate the terror of watching her own mother killing her.:crying:
JMO
But a chemical was found and in substantial amounts. Significant amounts of Chloroform was found in the carpet lining of that trunk. I think Caylee was put to sleep with the chloroform, then her mouth and nose were covered with the multiple layers of duct tape.
Imperfect4
06-22-2009, 01:17 PM
The female sporting that tattoo doesn't look at all like Casey to me. Not a bit.
Okay, whew! I think there's a resemblance, but that's where it stops.
That girl looks quite a bit thinner and lankier than the OC at her thinnest. Could be the photo angle ... but I don't think so.
AnnieBell
06-22-2009, 01:18 PM
Yeah Ironsides would have never missed a court date...:biggrin: I'm sure Brad will have more ailments in the future...:biggrin:
Lucky for him Cindy's there to take care of his back problems just as she did for Tim Miller.:wink:
Ckrdpast
06-22-2009, 01:19 PM
I enlarged the pic as best I can but it appears to be a cross with some vine of thorns wrapping around it.
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r129/wegworker/tattoo.jpg
looks like a dagger to me
neid_77
06-22-2009, 01:20 PM
i know i don't get many replies to what i post.....BUT CAN I THANK YOU ALL!!! HERE FOR having a place to come to where i am not being told the duct tape was to cover and accident that the autopsy report is inconvlusive...that the internet searches are weak...that Caylee Marie died of a complete accident...and we should feel bad for George And Cindy Anthony...and that Casey is just as much as a victim as everyone else. THANK YOU EVERYONE for a place where Caylee Marie is honored!!!!!!!!:smile:
Caylee Marie:wub:
CRRJJ
06-22-2009, 01:22 PM
Time to boycott the Today Shows sponsers
I don't know if I would boycott them or encourage the Today Show to have him on every other day so everyone can see and hear his total ignorance every time he opened his mouth. Makes the case much easier for the prosecutor I would think. :biggrin:
riohouse
06-22-2009, 01:23 PM
Yes, he is a tool. He said that there was no adhesive residue on the bones. Well no kidding. Duh, there wouldn't be any on her little bones.
We will never know how her mother reallly killed her,only that she did. Give her the death penalty and lets be done with her. She has to be loving all of this attention from all the attys.experts,media and so on, why bother with acknowledging her parents at this point.
riohouse
Imperfect4
06-22-2009, 01:24 PM
You said it exactly, Imp.
I was praying that they would find a trace of any drug in her hair or bone marrow.
Anything to alleviate the terror of watching her own mother killing her.:crying:
JMO
The mother that she clung to and always wanted to be with. :angry:
Explorer
06-22-2009, 01:24 PM
I don't know if I would boycott them or encourage the Today Show to have him on every other day so everyone can see and hear his total ignorance every time he opened his mouth. Makes the case much easier for the prosecutor I would think. :biggrin:
Since the only language they speak is $$$$$$$ I thought that would be the way to go:smile:
texski
06-22-2009, 01:24 PM
I would not put it past the anthonys to have alerted dom casey as to where the remains were, so he could find them, collect the quarter million dollar reward and then split it with them.
i dont know how much the reward was, but i think it was only for a live caylee, so that would not work and i am sure the ants knew all about the money angle.
Imperfect4
06-22-2009, 01:25 PM
I would not put it past the anthonys to have alerted dom casey as to where the remains were, so he could find them, collect the quarter million dollar reward and then split it with them.
Talk about your hallelujah moments if THAT came to light! :w00t:
Scampi
06-22-2009, 01:26 PM
i know i don't get many replies to what i post.....BUT CAN I THANK YOU ALL!!! HERE FOR having a place to come to where i am not being told the duct tape was to cover and accident that the autopsy report is inconvlusive...that the internet searches are weak...that Caylee Marie died of a complete accident...and we should feel bad for George And Cindy Anthony...and that Casey is just as much as a victim as everyone else. THANK YOU EVERYONE for a place where Caylee Marie is honored!!!!!!!!:smile:
Caylee Marie:wub:
That's right neid, Caylee is finally speaking to us and we are listening. :seeya:
Imperfect4
06-22-2009, 01:27 PM
But a chemical was found and in substantial amounts. Significant amounts of Chloroform was found in the carpet lining of that trunk. I think Caylee was put to sleep with the chloroform, then her mouth and nose were covered with the multiple layers of duct tape.
I couldn't decipher the information about the chloroform, Scamp. Read it over and over yesterday evening, and I'm still ---> :confused:
Explorer
06-22-2009, 01:27 PM
I think that tape was a back up for the PI in case the anthonys tried to [for lack of a better word] screw him.
CRRJJ
06-22-2009, 01:27 PM
Snail mail to Casey would be subject to prison inspection, but what would keep the Ants from, say, sending an email to Casey via Jose's email address which he can then access by the laptop he takes with him? Of course then Jose could first censure or delete and Casey would view only what he wanted his girl to see. It is a new situation created by cyber space and while it seems sooo underhanded to me, as long as lawyers can carry laptops on client visits I don't know how that could be controlled.
Well, I suppose their hands could be tied if they can't behave--could make them turn in their laptops at the desk when they go in to visit their innocent clients.
summer4meplz
06-22-2009, 01:27 PM
des -- does that look like Casey to you? Doesn't to me. :huh:
I'm not Des...but no, the nose is all wrong....could it be lee?
Sandy001
06-22-2009, 01:28 PM
Good for the defense, my tookus.
The pros could just as easily have a field day with the lack of drugs. A kinder, gentler mother might've knocked her baby out with a med before covering her face in duct tape.
A kinder, gentler mother might've accidentally killed her baby with an overdose.
Only a heartless, vicious b!tch would use duct tape as the weapon against her alert, terrified toddler.
I fail to see how a lack of drugs helps the defense.
GMAB.
What did his wife offer him in order for him to say speculation? The duct tape was there. The jaw was still attached when it should have disarticulated. What about that is speculation??? I love Dr. Baden, but on this case, I do not trust him one little bit. He has outside pressure on him to be pro-defense. I bet if you gave him a hypothetical case of this nature, he'd say the same thing as Dr. G. moo
Imperfect4
06-22-2009, 01:30 PM
Lucky for him Cindy's there to take care of his back problems just as she did for Tim Miller.:wink:
That was just so classic Cindy. "Don't forget what I did for you, Tim. You OWE me. You owe me your loyalty (though I'll show none to you). You owe me your silence about my bad behavior (though I'll flap my yap about you first chance I get). You owe me the treatment awarded a truly grieving grandparent (even though I don't remotely resemble one of those)."
She's despicable.
Explorer
06-22-2009, 01:30 PM
i know i don't get many replies to what i post.....BUT CAN I THANK YOU ALL!!! HERE FOR having a place to come to where i am not being told the duct tape was to cover and accident that the autopsy report is inconvlusive...that the internet searches are weak...that Caylee Marie died of a complete accident...and we should feel bad for George And Cindy Anthony...and that Casey is just as much as a victim as everyone else. THANK YOU EVERYONE for a place where Caylee Marie is honored!!!!!!!!:smile:
Caylee Marie:wub:
Hello neid:seeya:
Imperfect4
06-22-2009, 01:31 PM
i know i don't get many replies to what i post.....BUT CAN I THANK YOU ALL!!! HERE FOR having a place to come to where i am not being told the duct tape was to cover and accident that the autopsy report is inconvlusive...that the internet searches are weak...that Caylee Marie died of a complete accident...and we should feel bad for George And Cindy Anthony...and that Casey is just as much as a victim as everyone else. THANK YOU EVERYONE for a place where Caylee Marie is honored!!!!!!!!:smile:
Caylee Marie:wub:
It's sort of a sanity check, isn't it? :thumbup:
kelloggirl
06-22-2009, 01:32 PM
NG....said on the View...
1. Autopsy it is a homicide, dont know the mode..not shot or stabbed.
2. Mulitple pieces of duct tape around the mouth prior to decomp. most likly when she was alive.
3. No motive. But dont need motive. But it would help the states case.
4. Tot moms reaction on video not released. Look like she was crying but shed no tears, said she felt nauseaous but never threw up and talked about football.
5. Talked about her book 11th hour.
6. Joy Bauer new show on HLN....
No Motive? No Motive???? I don't even know how on earth anyone can say that with a straight face. There's like at least 3 motives to choose from. Just to name a few:
1. Revenge/hatred of Cindy and her tug of war over Caylee
2. Sick of being tied down with a kid at such a young age, wanting to party (triggered by her inability to go to Puerto Rico cause Cindy wouldn't babysit)
3. Wanting to be Mrs. TonE Lazzaro - TonE didn't want girls
4. Caylee was getting chatty and revealing Casey's non-working life
5. Caylee competing with Casey for attention from her parents and people like Jesse
I've heard the defense say this as well. How stupid do they think we are? Never mind, don't answer that, I have a pretty good idea based on the hogwash about the duct tape we are supposed to swallow. Yes, Casey, who didn't care enough to call 911 after this supposed tragic accident, is suddenly so conscientious and tender that she can't bear to see her little girl's mouth open in death that she tenderly rips off several pieces of industrial-strength duct tape across her mouth and nose, but not caring enough to brush Caylee's hair back enough so that it doesn't get caught in this loving little duct tape bandaid? GIVE ME A BREAK!!!
Sorry. I am beyond irritated and angry with the neverending, INSULTING to our intelligence, defense spin today.
Imperfect4
06-22-2009, 01:33 PM
I'm not Des...but no, the nose is all wrong....could it be lee?
:scared: Which one ... the guy or the girl? :scared:
Imperfect4
06-22-2009, 01:35 PM
What did his wife offer him in order for him to say speculation? The duct tape was there. The jaw was still attached when it should have disarticulated. What about that is speculation??? I love Dr. Baden, but on this case, I do not trust him one little bit. He has outside pressure on him to be pro-defense. I bet if you gave him a hypothetical case of this nature, he'd say the same thing as Dr. G. moo
It is so infuriating to me the state has to sit quietly by while the defense (current and future, apparently) gets on every TV show that'll have them to spin the results of the STATE'S hard work.
Makes me furious! :cursing:
kitty1182
06-22-2009, 01:36 PM
I think casey anthony may have been under the impression that the remains were already located and moved and thats where her jailhouse shock episode came in.
Wow, you could be right!
AnnieBell
06-22-2009, 01:36 PM
Why would he need to paint a picture? They are the grieving grandparents!
:confused:
Oh that's just BC with one of his misleading descriptions for "we're just waiting for Cindy to rewrite the script in our little drama, and once I see my new role I'll get back with you":laugh:
summer4meplz
06-22-2009, 01:37 PM
:scared: Which one ... the guy or the girl? :scared:
lol...who IS that guy.....maybe he's the clue....the girl doesn't look like casey....she has kinda that ski nose...and the girl in the pic didn't.....
does lee have tattoes?
Explorer
06-22-2009, 01:38 PM
Wow, you could be right!
It didnt make sense until I saw NG last night. I think the a's got a message to her that it was taken care of thats why she was so smug then BOMBSHELL they LIED. The a's lie to each other the public other family members so its entirely possible.
Sandy001
06-22-2009, 01:39 PM
Lyons will drag this case out, and it won't go to trial for a long time. Lyon has a book coming out, and will no doubt be using this case in her next book.
I fail to see why there has not been more effort on the part of the defense to depose more of the State's witnesses. That might require Baez to actually work for a change, instead of jump infront of the camera.
Explorer
06-22-2009, 01:41 PM
I think they wanted to keep her as upbeat and confident as possible.
CRRJJ
06-22-2009, 01:41 PM
:cursing: Dr Baden was just on Fox he said the autopsy was good for the defense. No drugs in her system. She might have duct tape around her mouth but this is speculation....but which is very upsetting for the public....so thats what has to be worked out..
Well, of COURSE, he'd say that with his wife one of the defense attorneys, for crying out loud. I always thought they worked together on the Spechter trial too. I said it before and I will continue to believe those two should never be allowed on the same case. It amazes me that a dummy like me could see that but the powers that be let it go through. :angry:
kitty1182
06-22-2009, 01:41 PM
It didnt make sense until I saw NG last night. I think the a's got a message to her that it was taken care of thats why she was so smug then BOMBSHELL they LIED. The a's lie to each other the public other family members so its entirely possible.
You could be right and if it is true then IMO, JB is the one who delivered the message from the A's..
Explorer
06-22-2009, 01:42 PM
You could be right and if it is true then IMO, JB is the one who delivered the message from the A's..
The puzzle is falling into place.
happygert
06-22-2009, 01:44 PM
I think casey anthony may have been under the impression that the remains were already located and moved and thats where her jailhouse shock episode came in.
Very good theory...
Imperfect4
06-22-2009, 01:44 PM
lol...who IS that guy.....maybe he's the clue....the girl doesn't look like casey....she has kinda that ski nose...and the girl in the pic didn't.....
does lee have tattoes?
I have no idea!
Explorer
06-22-2009, 01:45 PM
Very good theory...
And I think its possible that maybe Mr. Kronk heard something and figured he had to do something.
kitty1182
06-22-2009, 01:46 PM
The puzzle is falling into place.
The PI probally was suppose to find the body, but by the Grace of God, he didn't..In the meantime, CA has been told, not to worry, body will be long gone...Didn't work out that way, God works in mysterious ways and Kronk found the body..
MO
crimeq
06-22-2009, 01:47 PM
Snail mail to Casey would be subject to prison inspection, but what would keep the Ants from, say, sending an email to Casey via Jose's email address which he can then access by the laptop he takes with him? Of course then Jose could first censure or delete and Casey would view only what he wanted his girl to see. It is a new situation created by cyber space and while it seems sooo underhanded to me, as long as lawyers can carry laptops on client visits I don't know how that could be controlled.
Email/password? Maybe Jose doesn't read all her mail to C&G&Lee--she just writes it on his laptop and sends it to the Ants.
However, I would bet that Jose doesn't let her do that, but reads everything going out and coming in.
Sandy001
06-22-2009, 01:47 PM
Because they haven't been acting like grieving grandparents. They have been acting like distraught parents of a wrongfully (in their eyes) accused daughter.
JMO Theie behavior is strikingly similar to Scot Peterson's family and their "Featured Facts" on their website aka "featured Lies" jmoo
desmom
06-22-2009, 01:47 PM
des -- does that look like Casey to you? Doesn't to me. :huh:
Not sure. There is another pic of Casey and some guy. The guy is standing behind Casey with his arms wrapped around her. IIRC, the tats on this photo are real similar to the other photo. I saw this other pic over the weekend and now I can't find it. :cursing:
Imperfect4
06-22-2009, 01:48 PM
Very good theory...
It would also explain why she isn't even glancing in their direction at her hearings anymore.
And why no jailhouse visits.
And why Cindy couldn't get Caylee cremated fast enough.
And might also explain some of Lee's peculiar behavior at "Caylee's memorial."
AnnieBell
06-22-2009, 01:48 PM
I don't know if I would boycott them or encourage the Today Show to have him on every other day so everyone can see and hear his total ignorance every time he opened his mouth. Makes the case much easier for the prosecutor I would think. :biggrin:
If we started boycotting the sources of funding for the Anthonys couldn't that dry up their income source? Still wondering if we can access the foundations' records. I've read there are numerous shady transactions besides the one's associated with KFN,Michelle Bart and business's with criminal records such as payments to Lee and Casey's defense fund.
Explorer
06-22-2009, 01:48 PM
The PI probally was suppose to find the body, but by the Grace of God, he didn't..In the meantime, CA has been told, not to worry, body will be long gone...Didn't work out that way, God works in mysterious ways and Kronk found the body..
MO
It may have been the PI'sjob to take the body. Could you imagine if he got caught?
Unleashed
06-22-2009, 01:48 PM
:scared: Which one ... the guy or the girl? :scared:
Somebody help me here, please!!
What picture # is it?
I'm on really slow dial-up, and if I have to go through all 82 pictures, I'm not going to be back here until Thursday! :blink:
Thanks.
jmo
Imperfect4
06-22-2009, 01:49 PM
Somebody help me here, please!!
What picture # is it?
I'm on really slow dial-up, and if I have to go through all 82 pictures, I'm not going to be back here until Thursday! :blink:
Thanks.
jmo
#25. :laugh:
kitty1182
06-22-2009, 01:50 PM
It may have been the PI'sjob to take the body. Could you imagine if he got caught?
I think that was his job.:wink: MO
CelticDawn
06-22-2009, 01:50 PM
I just read this and it is so totally heartbreaking.
I didn't know of the link between the chemicals in the trunk, the fact that her mouth and nose were duct taped and toe POSSIBLE SCENARIOS and CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE that can be gleaned from this assessment.
This is just beyond horrific!
__________________________________________________ ___________
Autopsy Report Analysis- Caylee Suffered Tremendously:
One chemical found in the trunk of Casey Anthony’s car is the kind emitted when someone is possibly deprived of oxygen, the report said.
“Whoever did this put the duct tape over the child’s mouth. I wouldn’t be surprised if the child actually died from suffocation, but what’s more important I think is when you bring in the chemical analysis of the trunk into play, when you actually read the analysis from the trunk, it says there’s higher levels of a certain compound that is present when a person is dying from suffocation — which is a lack of oxygen. All in all, I think that’s why the state is seeking the death penalty is because Caylee Anthony, no matter how she died, whether it was from the duct tape of from being in the trunk, suffered. For a few minutes, she knew she was dying. She knew she was in pain. She suffered tremendously,” defense attorney Richard Hornsby saidSource: Wesh.com News Here
Sandy001
06-22-2009, 01:51 PM
at one time a poster here remarked about the foundation of the milsteads, having strange so called expenses listed, so there must be a way to get the info.
maybe once a year you must report income, outgo?? when was the ants started??
and i would still like to know if we are giving them more income every time we see those pics and videos.Books of charities (which they claim the Foundation is) have to be open for public viewing.
Explorer
06-22-2009, 01:51 PM
If we started boycotting the sources of funding for the Anthonys couldn't that dry up their income source? Still wondering if we can access the foundations' records. I've read there are numerous shady transactions besides the one's associated with KFN,Michelle Bart and business's with criminal records such as payments to Lee and Casey's defense fund.
Thats how its done. Boycott.
happygert
06-22-2009, 01:54 PM
It would also explain why she isn't even glancing in their direction at her hearings anymore.
And why no jailhouse visits.
And why Cindy couldn't get Caylee cremated fast enough.
And might also explain some of Lee's peculiar behavior at "Caylee's memorial."
You could be right..
I think c had Caylee cremated to show casey she was still in control.. and what ever she wants she gets.. I believe Caylee was cremated out of spite. So casey will never ever know what c did with Caylee's remains.. Still a power play going on between them...But yet she still sits somewhere without a proper good bye..
SandyO
06-22-2009, 01:55 PM
i know i don't get many replies to what i post.....BUT CAN I THANK YOU ALL!!! HERE FOR having a place to come to where i am not being told the duct tape was to cover and accident that the autopsy report is inconvlusive...that the internet searches are weak...that Caylee Marie died of a complete accident...and we should feel bad for George And Cindy Anthony...and that Casey is just as much as a victim as everyone else. THANK YOU EVERYONE for a place where Caylee Marie is honored!!!!!!!!:smile:
Caylee Marie:wub:
I wasn't convinced for a very long time that this whole thing didn't begin as a careless accident ---- something like Casey falling asleep or talking on the 'phone or engrossed in the internet while Caylee got into the pool and drowned. That sort of thing happens all too frequently in the area where I live. We wouldn't be here today discussing this case if Casey had claimed just that. It's the things that happened AFTERWARD that now convince me Caylee's death was more than that.
Why do you suppose Lee's car is parked on the grass?
http://humbleopinion.wordpress.com/2009/06/22/the-anthony-compound/
imo
Explorer
06-22-2009, 01:57 PM
Did casey anthony scream Im Pissed Im Pissed when she heard remains were found? I dont know im fuzzy on that but If she did Why was she Pizzed? Because she was lied to.
Sandy001
06-22-2009, 01:58 PM
It is so infuriating to me the state has to sit quietly by while the defense (current and future, apparently) gets on every TV show that'll have them to spin the results of the STATE'S hard work.
Makes me furious! :cursing: The truth will come out at the trial and Baez & "his team"
can spin all they want. The jury will base their decision on what is shown at trial and Baez's goose will be cooked. Juries have a way of rising to the situation (in most cases) and given what we have seen (and we don't have all of it), they will have more with which to convict than we do. The defense can hire all the experts they want, but they have the Body Farm and the FBI and their triple testing in favor of the prosecution. I defy Spitz, or Koblinski, or even Lee to rise to the occasion to overrule either of the above.
kanzz
06-22-2009, 01:58 PM
i know i don't get many replies to what i post.....BUT CAN I THANK YOU ALL!!! HERE FOR having a place to come to where i am not being told the duct tape was to cover and accident that the autopsy report is inconvlusive...that the internet searches are weak...that Caylee Marie died of a complete accident...and we should feel bad for George And Cindy Anthony...and that Casey is just as much as a victim as everyone else. THANK YOU EVERYONE for a place where Caylee Marie is honored!!!!!!!!:smile:
Caylee Marie:wub:
Don't know where you've been, but sounds like it must have been a scary place if ppl are saying those things. eek!
Imperfect4
06-22-2009, 01:59 PM
Why do you suppose Lee's car is parked on the grass?
http://humbleopinion.wordpress.com/2009/06/22/the-anthony-compound/
imo
No idea. Maybe the front of the house and driveway were occupied when he arrived?
And what's up with the lawn? :confused:
kitty1182
06-22-2009, 02:00 PM
Why do you suppose Lee's car is parked on the grass?
http://humbleopinion.wordpress.com/2009/06/22/the-anthony-compound/
imo
Don't know but their yard is looking a bit ruff..lol
happygert
06-22-2009, 02:00 PM
Did casey anthony scream Im Pissed Im Pissed when she heard remains were found? I dont know im fuzzy on that but If she did Why was she Pizzed? Because she was lied to.
supposed to have been saying that when she found out DP was back on table
5boxersmom
06-22-2009, 02:01 PM
Why do you suppose Lee's car is parked on the grass?
http://humbleopinion.wordpress.com/2009/06/22/the-anthony-compound/
imo
Their yard looks terrible. George must have gave up on it. It use to be so pretty.
jmo
jammies
06-22-2009, 02:01 PM
chuckles.... I wonder which of Casey ex-friends or friend of an ex-friend Casey stole the flat iron from?
She probably bought it with money from the Caylee's piggy bank.
kitty1182
06-22-2009, 02:01 PM
No idea. Maybe the front of the house and driveway were occupied when he arrived?
And what's up with the lawn? :confused:
LOL, I noticed the lawn too..GA better cut some of his traveling to do shows and jump on that yard..MO
Explorer
06-22-2009, 02:01 PM
supposed to have been saying that when she found out DP was back on table
Oh. I saw the jailer on TV and I thought she said that CA said that. Whoops my bad.
Sandy001
06-22-2009, 02:03 PM
No Motive? No Motive???? I don't even know how on earth anyone can say that with a straight face. There's like at least 3 motives to choose from. Just to name a few:
1. Revenge/hatred of Cindy and her tug of war over Caylee
2. Sick of being tied down with a kid at such a young age, wanting to party (triggered by her inability to go to Puerto Rico cause Cindy wouldn't babysit)
3. Wanting to be Mrs. TonE Lazzaro - TonE didn't want girls
4. Caylee was getting chatty and revealing Casey's non-working life
5. Caylee competing with Casey for attention from her parents and people like Jesse
I've heard the defense say this as well. How stupid do they think we are? Never mind, don't answer that, I have a pretty good idea based on the hogwash about the duct tape we are supposed to swallow. Yes, Casey, who didn't care enough to call 911 after this supposed tragic accident, is suddenly so conscientious and tender that she can't bear to see her little girl's mouth open in death that she tenderly rips off several pieces of industrial-strength duct tape across her mouth and nose, but not caring enough to brush Caylee's hair back enough so that it doesn't get caught in this loving little duct tape bandaid? GIVE ME A BREAK!!!
Sorry. I am beyond irritated and angry with the neverending, INSULTING to our intelligence, defense spin today. I second that emotion.
texski
06-22-2009, 02:03 PM
Books of charities (which they claim the Foundation is) have to be open for public viewing.
that sounds great, but how do we access the books??? state records?? fed records??
can they be found online??? there are some really great online sleuths on the board, but even great minds may need a roadmap.
summer
06-22-2009, 02:04 PM
:seeya: It's too bad it didn't come out in court who the guy next to Cindy was. Woulda been just peachy if after the media attorney asked George how many times they've been on TV, gotten his lame answer, and then said "and who accompanied you to court today, sitting in the second row next to your wife? Would that be a producer for the Today Show? Thank you Judge, I have no further questions for this grieving grandfather."
If only.
But aside from that, I'm sure it's well known by every outlet who that man is by now - why doesn't anyone bring this to light? It would make a laughingstock of the Anthonys and the Today Show and show what hypocrites they are.
How brazen, to show up in court pleading for their grief-stricken selves with a friggin' TV producer at their side!
Explorer
06-22-2009, 02:06 PM
:seeya: It's too bad it didn't come out in court who the guy next to Cindy was. Woulda been just peachy if after the media attorney asked George how many times they've been on TV, gotten his lame answer, and then said "and who accompanied you to court today, sitting in the second row next to your wife? Would that be a producer for the Today Show? Thank you Judge, I have no further questions for this grieving grandfather."
If only.
But aside from that, I'm sure it's well known by every outlet who that man is by now - why doesn't anyone bring this to light? It would make a laughingstock of the Anthonys and the Today Show and show what hypocrites they are.
How brazen, to show up in court pleading for their grief-stricken selves with a friggin' TV producer at their side!
Yes I guess the irony escaped them
kanzz
06-22-2009, 02:09 PM
I just read this and it is so totally heartbreaking.
I didn't know of the link between the chemicals in the trunk, the fact that her mouth and nose were duct taped and toe POSSIBLE SCENARIOS and CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE that can be gleaned from this assessment.
This is just beyond horrific!
__________________________________________________ ___________
Autopsy Report Analysis- Caylee Suffered Tremendously:
One chemical found in the trunk of Casey Anthony’s car is the kind emitted when someone is possibly deprived of oxygen, the report said.
“Whoever did this put the duct tape over the child’s mouth. I wouldn’t be surprised if the child actually died from suffocation, but what’s more important I think is when you bring in the chemical analysis of the trunk into play, when you actually read the analysis from the trunk, it says there’s higher levels of a certain compound that is present when a person is dying from suffocation — which is a lack of oxygen. All in all, I think that’s why the state is seeking the death penalty is because Caylee Anthony, no matter how she died, whether it was from the duct tape of from being in the trunk, suffered. For a few minutes, she knew she was dying. She knew she was in pain. She suffered tremendously,” defense attorney Richard Hornsby saidSource: Wesh.com News Here
I'm not so sure about this.. don't think this speculation could be proven in court.
When I read the report, I did not find anything that siad to me "there’s higher levels of a certain compound that is present when a person is dying from suffocation". I think they've taken the "lack of oxygen" phrase out of context and jumped to an erroneous conclusion. I believe the lack of oxygen was possibly due to the fact that the body was bagged while in the trunk. IIRC, that phrase was with regards to the decomposition.
I don't think anyone except Casey will ever truly know if Caylee suffered or not. If she was anesthetized with chloroform, she probably drifted off with some peace.
Imperfect4
06-22-2009, 02:09 PM
LOL, I noticed the lawn too..GA better cut some of his traveling to do shows and jump on that yard..MO
That yard is puzzling me no end. :huh:
We've got George, Cindy, and Lee living at the house, and perhaps even the Milsteads. Only one of that group has an actual job that takes him away from the house now and then.
Not one of those 3 or 5 adults can be bothered to care for the yard? I would think for at least a couple of them it would be therapeutic to tend the lawn, the plants, etc.
:confused:
kelloggirl
06-22-2009, 02:10 PM
It would also explain why she isn't even glancing in their direction at her hearings anymore.
And why no jailhouse visits.
And why Cindy couldn't get Caylee cremated fast enough.
And might also explain some of Lee's peculiar behavior at "Caylee's memorial."
I always thought the cremation was a combination of Cindy's need for absolute control of Caylee's remains and hateful spite for those of who dared care for Caylee without supporting her monster of a daughter. No way was Cindy going to put Caylee in a cementary, where us maggots and fat lazy bloggers could actually visit her and grieve for her without the Anthony's permission. No way, no how. Exhibit A: Continued desecration of the memorials at the site where Caylee was found.
101Spots
06-22-2009, 02:11 PM
that sounds great, but how do we access the books??? state records?? fed records??
can they be found online??? there are some really great online sleuths on the board, but even great minds may need a roadmap.
KFN 2007 Tax Return (http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5848193/Kid-Finder)
Yeah, I got connections. :sneaky:
i know i don't get many replies to what i post.....BUT CAN I THANK YOU ALL!!! HERE FOR having a place to come to where i am not being told the duct tape was to cover and accident that the autopsy report is inconvlusive...that the internet searches are weak...that Caylee Marie died of a complete accident...and we should feel bad for George And Cindy Anthony...and that Casey is just as much as a victim as everyone else. THANK YOU EVERYONE for a place where Caylee Marie is honored!!!!!!!!:smile:
Caylee Marie:wub:
It seems like you have been to the "dark side" :scared: But welcome back to the real world, you are safe now.
kitty1182
06-22-2009, 02:13 PM
That yard is puzzling me no end. :huh:
We've got George, Cindy, and Lee living at the house, and perhaps even the Milsteads. Only one of that group has an actual job that takes him away from the house now and then.
Not one of those 3 or 5 adults can be bothered to care for the yard? I would think for at least a couple of them it would be therapeutic to tend the lawn, the plants, etc.
:confused:
Well, I guess when you travel, ride in limos, make up, bright lights, you just don't have time for the things you use to do..lol
Lapis
06-22-2009, 02:15 PM
that sounds great, but how do we access the books??? state records?? fed records??
can they be found online??? there are some really great online sleuths on the board, but even great minds may need a roadmap.
I was the treasurer for a charity. The books have to be audited by a CPA at the end of each year. IIRC the audit is done sometime in March. The audit is what is made public not the actual books. JMO
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