June 20-21 Weekend #2

[101Spots]

Ok, here goes.

Casey duct taped and murdered Caylee in cold blood, then threw her away like garbage in trash bags.

Then she went and watched a movie and got laid.

Well......... I think that pretty much covers it. Class adjourned.

[Elle]

Interesting.

My initial reaction is Cindy was trying to put a heroic spin on Casey's behavior.

These people played so many games with one another, and lied so often, they had no clue what the others were thinking, feeling, or doing.


Yes, you are imo correct that Cindy was atempting to spin Casey's actions. I do think though that Casey has left with Caylee before though, and most assuredly imo, NOT for any heroic reason. I think at this point in time, pretty early on, Cindy was clinging to this as her scenario.

I do believe this caused extreme internal conflict though as she and George did smell the car, and at this point all of the pieces, no nanny, no job, no money, no contact even by phone with Caylee, 31 days...well all the pieces fit and they knew it. The more things made sense that Casey DID do something to Caylee, the more irrational and angry and ridiculous they became.

I believe they knew the truth, but THE truth was not the one they decided upon, they created a new 'truth', one they could live with...and when that 'truth' is threatened, they lash out, furiously striking anything and everything. I believe they will protect THEIR 'truth' at all costs. Their truth wants nothing to do with THE truth, nor does it want true justice.

imo

[Unleashed]

Ok, here goes.

Casey duct taped and murdered Caylee in cold blood, then threw her away like garbage in trash bags.

Then she went and watched a movie and got laid.

And no-one reported Caylee missing for 31 days.

And don't listen to G&C, they lie.

And Baez is an idjit.

The prosecution rests.

JMO

[Imperfect4]

Personally, I will be very surprised if these paper towels mean anything. AFAIK, ALL of that trash was from TonE's apartment (thus the THC)... I personally think this is a red herring. JMO

The presence of grave wax doesn't sound like a red herring to me.

On the other hand, I'm totally down with the idea we're seeing bits and pieces of evidence, and it seems many of the pieces that would start to tie the case together are still missing. Iow, I suspect the paper towels are not the smoking gun.

But gawd knows they're interesting. Guaranteed you won't find any paper towels anywhere in my car or home containing grave wax. :scared:

[kOOkie1]

So ... you're saying that first she soaked the paper towels in a healthy, wet marijuana plant, and then they somehow came in contact with Caylee's dead body? :confused:

Or what? I'm confused.

http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/0619/19801996.pdf
page 7, under "1. Paper towels"

..Maybe bong water spilled on the PT somehow:confused:

[Lavinia]

The LE did go to the As house the same day they found the body but I think it was a little later in the day. Mallory was there to feed the dogs and it was about Noon. They waited for a search warrant to go inside after they told Mallory to leave.

Wasn't it approximately 10:30 a.m. when LE got the call from Kronk?

[sunstar]

OMG-----Judge Seidlin!!!

I know!! What a surprise! It got me to thinking ~ what if he were handling Casey's trial?? :laugh:

[Lavinia]

The presence of grave wax doesn't sound like a red herring to me.

On the other hand, I'm totally down with the idea we're seeing bits and pieces of evidence, and it seems many of the pieces that would start to tie the case together are still missing. Iow, I suspect the paper towels are not the smoking gun.

But gawd knows they're interesting. Guaranteed you won't find any paper towels anywhere in my car or home containing grave wax. :scared:

Not a red herring to me either. VERY pertinent, IMO. (I think the formation of adipocere in the trunk is going to really throw this thing wonky on the evidence.)

[CelticDawn]

Lyndia says reports say no DNA on tape. Dr. Baden not agreeing with wife - Blaming Krock for changing story.

these people....

What would DNA or the lack thereof have to do with Kronk changing his story....and either way....Kronkss story stays the same more than this poor childs familys does....He said something was there....and she was....They said she was in california? tennessee???.....how many other places


....lord dont let me get myself all worked up all over again.......

[crimeq]

That was part of the script.

I don't think its what really was said.

Agree, but George wasn't buying in at first, witness his first conversation with LE when he was so clear about recognizing the oder and never forgetting "that odor". Yet he still told LE what Cindy said to him about the pizza. Then it became the pizza for him, too. I believe Cindy dragged him kicking and screaming to that story, but she won, finally. He acquiesced. (That's probably when Cindy went to pick out her new earrings, the long dangly ones with the balls. Perhaps another kind of cremains jewelry?)

[kanzz]

It's not something you would usually think of to motivate yourself to do *anything*, but maybe watch The Home Shopping Network with the sound turned off and music on, and eat ice-cream and tacos. And Cheetos. And chocolate. And the leftovers from Tues. Night dinner. Rinse, repeat.

You make it sound so goooood! (I'll be right over!)

:cool:

LOL

[Dick Tracy]

Reefer Madness. We used to go to the midnight movies and watch Monterrey Pop, Woodstock, Reefer Madness, Chech and Chong movies etc. :biggrinjester::hat: It made me turn into a Lavinia. :scared:

That's what it was! Reefer Madness. Maybe the prp got hit with that. Nahh.....

[aproudmom]

So lets throw everything out that any of the Anthonys have said, and stick with the facts. :biggrin:

LOL CA may get upset if we are not talking about her..:biggrin:

[101Spots]

I know!! What a surprise! It got me to thinking ~ what if he were handling Casey's trial?? :laugh:

Bite your tongue! Really. Right now, bite it. Then go wash your mouth out with soap.

What a circus *that* would be.

[impartial]

Not a red herring to me either. VERY pertinent, IMO. (I think the formation of adipocere in the trunk is going to really throw this thing wonky on the evidence.)


What have I missed? Trying to make sense of the posts without knowing the info.

From what I gather from the posts ... paper towels with cannibus and grave wax were found? Or, paper towels with cannibus was found in the trash, and grave wax was found in the trunk?

Or, pass me the towel with the cannibus, and then maybe it will make sense. :wink:

[Imperfect4]

and I'd agree with you 100%. In fact, my guess is that it would have just the opposite effect. Ya think you wanna kill somebody? smoke a little weed and mellow the heII out!

I don't think pot had anything to do with anything, but for the record, it doesn't have the same effect on everyone.

Back in the day (and we're talking probably 30 years ago, so if someone wants to narc me out, good luck with that, lol), it made me quite paranoid. It's impossible to mellow out while paranoid. :w00t:

And I'm not given to paranoia. Or even anxiety.

[Lavinia]

You make it sound so goooood! (I'll be right over!)

:cool:

LOL

:laugh: It's hard to believe I remember what it was like. Seems like if you're doing it right, you shouldn't remember. :cool:

[crimeq]

Interesting.

My initial reaction is Cindy was trying to put a heroic spin on Casey's behavior.

These people played so many games with one another, and lied so often, they had no clue what the others were thinking, feeling, or doing.

Ah, but she was successful in putting a heroic spin on Casey's behavior, because it didn't take long for us to learn that Casey would be "Mother of the Year"!

[seeing_eye]

On Geraldo they are saying that the duct tape could have been placed after death to keep the mouth closed, as they do in funeral homes.

Oh, yeah, I'm sure funeral homes wrap duct tape all the way around the head and tape the hair as well. And they probably use several layers too just for good measure. NOT!! :thumbdown:

[imc_e]

and I'd agree with you 100%. In fact, my guess is that it would have just the opposite effect. Ya think you wanna kill some body? smoke a little weed and mellow the heII out!

I think she smoked after the murder.

[Lavinia]

That's what it was! Reefer Madness. Maybe the prp got hit with that. Nahh.....

:laugh::laugh:

[CelticDawn]

So ... you're saying that first she soaked the paper towels in a healthy, wet marijuana plant, and then they somehow came in contact with Caylee's dead body? :confused:

Or what? I'm confused.

http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/0619/19801996.pdf
page 7, under "1. Paper towels"

Im saying that somebody in conta ct with marijuana was also in contact with caylees body or LEFT THEIR PAPER TOWEL with caylees body long enough that adipociere and possibly other secretions which produce cadaverine and putrescene (sp) It differs in ho long it takes a particular body to put out these substances (heat body weight amount of body fat..etc) The cannibas and THC traces were from before...They are not a part of breakdown of either a body or a paper towel.

[Dick Tracy]

Chill, fearless leader. I pollygized!
And no, I'm not even old enough to know what video is. Is that like records or 8-tracks or something? :tonguewag:

JMO

Video? Video tape? Back in Lavinia's day, they used to use video tape to record on, and then watched it on on of those new-fangled VCR deals, translation for - very crummy recording.

[kanzz]

Ok, here goes.

Casey duct taped and murdered Caylee in cold blood, then threw her away like garbage in trash bags.

Then she went and watched a movie and got laid.


STANDING OVATION!!!

:patriot:

[CelticDawn]

I think she smoked after the murder.


I would think she smoked AFTER because smoking takes away ALL AMBITION to do anything!.....except maybe stare at a ceiling fan or a blank TV screen...or .....well, you get the message.

If she wasnt immediately tested, it wouldnt show up.....If she didnt smoke regularly, it wouldnt necessarily show up in her urine or hair....(referring to casey)

[Lavinia]

Video? Video tape? Back in Lavinia's day, they used to use video tape to record on, and then watched it on on of those new-fangled VCR deals, translation for - very crummy recording.

:confused: We simply read the hieroglyphics we chiseled into the living room wall. :tonguewag:

[101Spots]

Video? Video tape? Back in Lavinia's day, they used to use video tape to record on, and then watched it on on of those new-fangled VCR deals, translation for - very crummy recording.

Are you talking 'bout them thar movin' pictures machines?

[Imperfect4]

Yes, you are imo correct that Cindy was atempting to spin Casey's actions. I do think though that Casey has left with Caylee before though, and most assuredly imo, NOT for any heroic reason. I think at this point in time, pretty early on, Cindy was clinging to this as her scenario.

I do believe this caused extreme internal conflict though as she and George did smell the car, and at this point all of the pieces, no nanny, no job, no money, no contact even by phone with Caylee, 31 days...well all the pieces fit and they knew it. The more things made sense that Casey DID do something to Caylee, the more irrational and angry and ridiculous they became.

I believe they knew the truth, but THE truth was not the one they decided upon, they created a new 'truth', one they could live with...and when that 'truth' is threatened, they lash out, furiously striking anything and everything. I believe they will protect THEIR 'truth' at all costs. Their truth wants nothing to do with THE truth, nor does it want true justice.

imo

Whew! Great post, Elle! Beautifully stated!

[Imperfect4]

Im saying that somebody in conta ct with marijuana was also in contact with caylees body or LEFT THEIR PAPER TOWEL with caylees body long enough that adipociere and possibly other secretions which produce cadaverine and putrescene (sp) It differs in ho long it takes a particular body to put out these substances (heat body weight amount of body fat..etc) The cannibas and THC traces were from before...They are not a part of breakdown of either a body or a paper towel.

Gotcha! :wink:

[gaelicpeas]

The presence of grave wax doesn't sound like a red herring to me.

On the other hand, I'm totally down with the idea we're seeing bits and pieces of evidence, and it seems many of the pieces that would start to tie the case together are still missing. Iow, I suspect the paper towels are not the smoking gun.

But gawd knows they're interesting. Guaranteed you won't find any paper towels anywhere in my car or home containing grave wax. :scared:I would be the first to say that the adipocere finding is interesting. However, I have no idea what OTHER things could cause similar findings. I tend to believe that the paper towel means nothing since everything else in that bag seemed to come from TonE's apartment. I could be wrong, obviously, but just my take on it...

IMO, there is so much else that it really doesn't matter.

[Dick Tracy]

Are you talking 'bout them thar movin' pictures machines?

That's right Jethro.. Ye got it right.

[kanzz]

Doesnt' anyone remember those early government flicks, showing how dangerous pot was? That you smoked it, and you started turning into a wolfman? Or crazed psycho? Maybe all that propoganda had a little truth to it, hmm? Of course, my DAD told me about those early shorts of video!

OMG! NO! NO! NO! Don't say that kind of thing in front of the children! They might believe you!!


:wink:

[crimeq]

Doesnt' anyone remember those early government flicks, showing how dangerous pot was? That you smoked it, and you started turning into a wolfman? Or crazed psycho? Maybe all that propoganda had a little truth to it, hmm? Of course, my DAD told me about those early shorts of video!

Reefer Madness -- a classic -- I keep meaning to order a copy of that for BF from ebay (but then keep forgetting, because I just don't think about pot). He remembers that clip and gets hysterical just thinking about it! Now I'm going to make a note to be sure I really follow through this time ....

[gaelicpeas]

I don't think pot had anything to do with anything, but for the record, it doesn't have the same effect on everyone.

Back in the day (and we're talking probably 30 years ago, so if someone wants to narc me out, good luck with that, lol), it made me quite paranoid. It's impossible to mellow out while paranoid. :w00t:

And I'm not given to paranoia. Or even anxiety.You are right, Imp... I have known a few people that get highly anxious when high on pot. Just throwing that out there.. (although I don't think pot had anything to do with Caylee's murder, IMO).

[seeing_eye]

I know!! What a surprise! It got me to thinking ~ what if he were handling Casey's trial?? :laugh:

OMG, if that judge was on Casey's case I would have to stop following this case completely. I wouldn't be able to stand it without going stark, raving mad! :w00t: :scared:

[crimeq]

Reefer Madness. We used to go to the midnight movies and watch Monterrey Pop, Woodstock, Reefer Madness, Chech and Chong movies etc. :biggrinjester::hat: It made me turn into a Lavinia. :scared:

OMG Lavinia, I just posted Reefer Madness. You and I are sharing a brain tonight.

[101Spots]

That's right Jethro.. Ye got it right.

Wayll, golllllllllll-eeeeeeeee! Hay, Granny! Y'all never knowed what I learneded today!

[Lavinia]

Reefer Madness -- a classic -- I keep meaning to order a copy of that for BF from ebay (but then keep forgetting, because I just don't think about pot). He remembers that clip and gets hysterical just thinking about it! Now I'm going to make a note to be sure I really follow through this time ....

I think it's on YouTube, crimeq.

[crimeq]

Oh for Pete's sake. Casey wasn't planning on a viewing. That's the only reason they do that at the funeral home. (Not fussing at you, djmsmom, lol.)

Right, Casey bagged Caylee's little body, did not plan on ever opening that bag again, she didn't care if the mouth was open or not.

[Lavinia]

OMG Lavinia, I just posted Reefer Madness. You and I are sharing a brain tonight.

:laugh::laugh:

[Imperfect4]

Oh, yeah, I'm sure funeral homes wrap duct tape all the way around the head and tape the hair as well. And they probably use several layers too just for good measure. NOT!! :thumbdown:

OMG, I seriously hope this ridiculous carp this defense team spews every chance they get is what they plan to run up the flagpole at trial. They are just ridiculous with this stuff. Seriously. :thumbdown:

[aproudmom]

..Maybe bong water spilled on the PT somehow:confused:

ok I am old a water bong for marijuana..but you could be right I googled it and it is all greek to me..

[sunstar]

Bite your tongue! Really. Right now, bite it. Then go wash your mouth out with soap.

What a circus *that* would be.

Oh I know ~ and I was just kidding!!! :lol:


I'm going to bed now anyway. Have a good night! :seeya:

[Imperfect4]

I would think she smoked AFTER because smoking takes away ALL AMBITION to do anything!.....except maybe stare at a ceiling fan or a blank TV screen...or .....well, you get the message.

If she wasnt immediately tested, it wouldnt show up.....If she didnt smoke regularly, it wouldnt necessarily show up in her urine or hair....(referring to casey)

Well, if dope is the reason for Casey's lack of ambition, she was probably rolling her own in her high chair. Cuz girlfriend seems to have been ambitionless from jump.

[101Spots]

OMG Lavinia, I just posted Reefer Madness. You and I are sharing a brain tonight.

Does this make each of you a half-wit?

:tonguewag:

J/K. Sort of.

[Lavinia]

I would be the first to say that the adipocere finding is interesting. However, I have no idea what OTHER things could cause similar findings. I tend to believe that the paper towel means nothing since everything else in that bag seemed to come from TonE's apartment. I could be wrong, obviously, but just my take on it...

IMO, there is so much else that it really doesn't matter.

The finding of adipocere is going to throw a monkey wrench in the works IMO, because the usual formation of adipocere isn't fitting some of the knowns in this case. For instance, by the body farm estimate, they think Caylee's little body was in the trunk about 2.5 days. It is known that adipocere can form within 30 days but a few days to form adipocere sounds like it's really pushing it. Adipocere usually forms in cool climates without bugs. I can't think of anyplace she could have been that sounds like that. It can potentially throw off the timeline, IMO.

[crimeq]

I think it's on YouTube, crimeq.

Oh cool, that's even better. Thanks.

(See DickTracy, we didn't have youtube back in the day of VHS either, :wink:)

[Lavinia]

Does this make each of you a half-wit?

:tonguewag:

J/K. Sort of.

:tonguewag: We're down to 1/4 now since we started OUT 1/2 wits.

[Lavinia]

Oh I know ~ and I was just kidding!!! :lol:


I'm going to bed now anyway. Have a good night! :seeya:

Good night, Sunstar! :wub:

[Imperfect4]

I would be the first to say that the adipocere finding is interesting. However, I have no idea what OTHER things could cause similar findings. I tend to believe that the paper towel means nothing since everything else in that bag seemed to come from TonE's apartment. I could be wrong, obviously, but just my take on it...

IMO, there is so much else that it really doesn't matter.

Well, from what I read in the report (http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/0619/19801996.pdf, page 7), either a human or a pig was decomposing on those paper towels.

That just doesn't happen every day. I could be wrong, too, that it's a big deal ... and like I said upthread, I'm suspicious when I see what seems to be juicy discovery, because I really believe the really juicy stuff isn't being released.

[101Spots]

The finding of adipocere is going to throw a monkey wrench in the works IMO, because the usual formation of adipocere isn't fitting some of the knowns in this case. For instance, by the body farm estimate, they think Caylee's little body was in the trunk about 2.5 days. It is known that adipocere can form within 30 days but a few days to form adipocere sounds like it's really pushing it. Adipocere usually forms in cool climates without bugs. I can't think of anyplace she could have been that sounds like that. It can potentially throw off the timeline, IMO.

But but but...... what if that *particular* hair fell out after 2.5 days? Does that mean that the body was removed at that point, or could the body itself have stayed in the trunk longer?

[Unleashed]

Wayll, golllllllllll-eeeeeeeee! Hay, Granny! Y'all never knowed what I learneded today!

:beer: Moonshine for all!!!

[AlohaRainbow]

Oops. I just posted almost the same thing. :blushing: We all know the script now.

it's the hundredth monkey thing... morphogenetic fields of "knowing" spread out to the general population after the __th monkey/person/entity learns/knows it
http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Morphogenic_Fields/id/4781
Thus, when a certain critical number achieves an awareness, this new awareness may be communicated from mind to mind. Although the exact number may vary, this Hundredth Monkey Phenomenon means that when only a limited number of people know of a new way, it may remain the conscious property of these people. But there is a point at which if only one more person tunes-in to a new awareness, a field is strengthened so that this awareness is picked up by almost everyone!
:smile:

[Lavinia]

But but but...... what if that *particular* hair fell out after 2.5 days? Does that mean that the body was removed at that point, or could the body itself have stayed in the trunk longer?

I thought that the finding of 2.5 days came from analysis of the gases in the car? :confused: Was it the hair?

[101Spots]

I thought that the finding of 2.5 days came from analysis of the gases in the car? :confused: Was it the hair?

I thought it was the death band measurement/interpretation? I could be mistaken.

[seeing_eye]

OMG, I seriously hope this ridiculous carp this defense team spews every chance they get is what they plan to run up the flagpole at trial. They are just ridiculous with this stuff. Seriously. :thumbdown:

It was Dr. Baden himself, the highly educated and trained expert, who made that statement about funeral homes taping the mouth closed. Since he mentioned it in reference to Caylee's murder, I can only assume he was insinuating that the taping of Caylee was somewhat similar in purpose and manner. If that's not proof that education does not equal common sense, I don't know what would.

[Lavinia]

it's the hundredth monkey thing... morphogenetic fields of "knowing" spread out to the general population after the __th monkey/person/entity learns/knows it
http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Morphogenic_Fields/id/4781
Thus, when a certain critical number achieves an awareness, this new awareness may be communicated from mind to mind. Although the exact number may vary, this Hundredth Monkey Phenomenon means that when only a limited number of people know of a new way, it may remain the conscious property of these people. But there is a point at which if only one more person tunes-in to a new awareness, a field is strengthened so that this awareness is picked up by almost everyone!
:smile:

Now THAT is something you read stoned! :laugh:

[101Spots]

It was Dr. Baden himself, the highly educated and trained expert, who made that statement about funeral homes taping the mouth closed. Since he mentioned it in reference to Caylee's murder, I can only assume he was insinuating that the taping of Caylee was somewhat similar in purpose and manner. If that's not proof that education does not equal common sense, I don't know what would.

"Dr. Baden said......." Pfffft!

[Lavinia]

I thought it was the death band measurement/interpretation? I could be mistaken.

Someone come break the tie up here!

[Imperfect4]

Wayll, golllllllllll-eeeeeeeee! Hay, Granny! Y'all never knowed what I learneded today!

O/T, but Jethro (Max Baer) lives in the area (he has a home in Lake Tahoe). He knows my significant other from the gym. We see him at Costco. We've had drinks with him at a local restaurant. He's a hoot in real life. Much like the Jethro character, except a bit smarter. :laugh:

[101Spots]

O/T, but Jethro (Max Baer) lives in the area (he has a home in Lake Tahoe). He knows my significant other from the gym. We see him at Costco. We've had drinks with him at a local restaurant. He's a hoot in real life. Much like the Jethro character, except a bit smarter. :laugh:

Wayull, give him my regards! But face it, a grape would be a bit smarter.

[Dick Tracy]

Oh cool, that's even better. Thanks.

(See DickTracy, we didn't have youtube back in the day of VHS either, :wink:)

You guys are all so much OLDER than me. I feel like a kid in here.

[Imperfect4]

It was Dr. Baden himself, the highly educated and trained expert, who made that statement about funeral homes taping the mouth closed. Since he mentioned it in reference to Caylee's murder, I can only assume he was insinuating that the taping of Caylee was somewhat similar in purpose and manner. If that's not proof that education does not equal common sense, I don't know what would.

He needs to hang up his saddle and head out to pasture from the sound of that. :thumbdown:

[aproudmom]

On Geraldo they are saying that the duct tape could have been placed after death to keep the mouth closed, as they do in funeral homes.

they are so full of it..first of all they glue things shut not duct tape them..

[CelticDawn]

I don't think pot had anything to do with anything, but for the record, it doesn't have the same effect on everyone.

Back in the day (and we're talking probably 30 years ago, so if someone wants to narc me out, good luck with that, lol), it made me quite paranoid. It's impossible to mellow out while paranoid. :w00t:

And I'm not given to paranoia. Or even anxiety.

Now that sounds like an idiosynchratic response!!

I wouldnt be able to murder an insect much less a person.....That stuff takes away ALL ambition ...intent .....talk about a vegetative state.....except for chewing and swallowing anything that might come in contact with your mouth....

[AnniePie]

LOL, the pieces are falling into place. We've been around each other too long, here on the IS Caylee board:wink:

Not too long at all considering how long we'll have been together once Casey is given the Big Needle. :w00t:

Forget the vacation house for the trial; I think we should start looking for adjoining rooms at a nursing home.

[Unleashed]

Someone come break the tie up here!


Okay, the answer is 3.50w[+ .67

There.

[101Spots]

You guys are all so much OLDER than me. I feel like a kid in here.

Sooooooooo........ How's the pacemaker doing these days, youngster?

[Lavinia]

Okay, the answer is 3.50w[+ .67

There.

HA! Spots is wrong! :thumbsup:

[AnniePie]

I'm not fluent in pot, but I don't believe it brings out the killer in most.

JMO


You're right about that LeashPerson! Either the would-be murderer would forget what they were planning to do mid-deed, or she'd be eating pork cheesies til they came out her ears.

[CelticDawn]

DR baden



BUZZZZZZ WRONG
Funeral homes dont tape orifices shut.

BUZZZ WRONG Why would multiple pieces of duct tape be used around mouth and nose if it was just to keep the mouth closed...

BUZZZ WRONG He disagreed with his wife!!


These people are running around with their heads on fire and their behinds a-catching!

[Imperfect4]

I thought that the finding of 2.5 days came from analysis of the gases in the car? :confused: Was it the hair?

It did. Come from the gases analysis I mean.

[101Spots]

Okay, the answer is 3.50w[+ .67

There.

And the given value of w[?

[Lavinia]

Now that sounds like an idiosynchratic response!!

I wouldnt be able to murder an insect much less a person.....That stuff takes away ALL ambition ...intent .....talk about a vegetative state.....except for chewing and swallowing anything that might come in contact with your mouth....

I could take medical marijuana since I have multiple sclerosis, but I had the same reaction the last few times I used with the anxiety and paranoia. Even if you get anxious and paranoid though, it's not a motivating kind. You are still apathetic, just *real* self-conscious. No thanks.

[Imperfect4]

Not too long at all considering how long we'll have been together once Casey is given the Big Needle. :w00t:

Forget the vacation house for the trial; I think we should start looking for adjoining rooms at a nursing home.

Pooh/Pie ... love the new siggy, girlfriend, but could you clean it up by getting rid of those dashes, please and thank you? :wub:

[Lavinia]

It did. Come from the gases analysis I mean.

Spots, you owe me $20.

[AnniePie]

It's on SEDG.

What am I missing?

[Lavinia]

You guys are all so much OLDER than me. I feel like a kid in here.

Are you living in your mother's basement? :laugh:

[AlohaRainbow]

Agree, but George wasn't buying in at first, witness his first conversation with LE when he was so clear about recognizing the oder and never forgetting "that odor". Yet he still told LE what Cindy said to him about the pizza. Then it became the pizza for him, too. I believe Cindy dragged him kicking and screaming to that story, but she won, finally. He acquiesced. (That's probably when Cindy went to pick out her new earrings, the long dangly ones with the balls. Perhaps another kind of cremains jewelry?)
oh my! :w00t:

[Lavinia]

What am I missing?

The movie, Untraceable. It's one of the movies Casey watched the night of the (July) 16th.

[aproudmom]

I had brought this up before only because I ran a site about what can happen when you drink and drive and we added in the whole process of how they prepare a body..sorry but this was why I thought maybe she put the tape on Caylee but after learning all the evidence I do not think that any longer...hard to read SORRY

Let's not forget about the body cavity. Arterial fluids mainly treat the skin, muscles, and organs themselves. What's inside the organs (such as urine, bile, etc.) begins to decompose. Gases and bacteria can build up and cause distention, odor, and purge (such as brown fluids coming out of the mouth -

[gaelicpeas]

The finding of adipocere is going to throw a monkey wrench in the works IMO, because the usual formation of adipocere isn't fitting some of the knowns in this case. For instance, by the body farm estimate, they think Caylee's little body was in the trunk about 2.5 days. It is known that adipocere can form within 30 days but a few days to form adipocere sounds like it's really pushing it. Adipocere usually forms in cool climates without bugs. I can't think of anyplace she could have been that sounds like that. It can potentially throw off the timeline, IMO.
That is why I am thinking that those compounds came from something else.. JMO

[Imperfect4]

I could take medical marijuana since I have multiple sclerosis, but I had the same reaction the last few times I used with the anxiety and paranoia. Even if you get anxious and paranoid though, it's not a motivating kind. You are still apathetic, just *real* self-conscious. No thanks.

Did she call me an idiot? :sneaky:

Anyhoo ... I got the paranoia after I left the par-tay and was driving home. Was sure I was going to crash the car and kill my puppy (who was actually with me and not a figment of my paranoid condition, thank goodness), and alternately, I kept seeing non-existent police lights in my rear view mirror. :scared:

That was it for me. Not EVEN worth it.

[AnniePie]

Ok, here goes.

Casey duct taped and murdered Caylee in cold blood, then threw her away like garbage in trash bags.

Then she went and watched a movie and got laid.

Yep. That's it in a nutshell. :angry:

[101Spots]

Spots, you owe me $20.

Not until she defines the value of the variable w[ in this case. The resulting value of the expression 3.50w[ + .67 will be the determining factor.

[gaelicpeas]

Well, from what I read in the report (http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/0619/19801996.pdf, page 7), either a human or a pig was decomposing on those paper towels.

That just doesn't happen every day. I could be wrong, too, that it's a big deal ... and like I said upthread, I'm suspicious when I see what seems to be juicy discovery, because I really believe the really juicy stuff isn't being released.I would have to go back and read the FBI report.. but I don't think the adipocere had anything to do with a human or pig. I think that was the air test... but I could be wrong.

lol.... I seem to be arguing with you guys about stuff as if I am for the defense. BELIEVE me, I am in NO way connected to the defense. I just think this adipocere finding is unrelated, IMO.

[Imperfect4]

Not until she defines the value of the variable w[ in this case. The resulting value of the expression 3.50w[ + .67 will be the determining factor.

I'm kicking back with Jethro, sipping a tall one. I'll get back to you on that.

[Imperfect4]

I would have to go back and read the FBI report.. but I don't think the adipocere had anything to do with a human or pig. I think that was the air test... but I could be wrong.

lol.... I seem to be arguing with you guys about stuff as if I am for the defense. BELIEVE me, I am in NO way connected to the defense. I just think this adipocere finding is unrelated, IMO.

I got ya. But seriously ... did you look at the link from Friday? http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/0619/19801996.pdf, page 7

[gaelicpeas]

it's the hundredth monkey thing... morphogenetic fields of "knowing" spread out to the general population after the __th monkey/person/entity learns/knows it
http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Morphogenic_Fields/id/4781
Thus, when a certain critical number achieves an awareness, this new awareness may be communicated from mind to mind. Although the exact number may vary, this Hundredth Monkey Phenomenon means that when only a limited number of people know of a new way, it may remain the conscious property of these people. But there is a point at which if only one more person tunes-in to a new awareness, a field is strengthened so that this awareness is picked up by almost everyone!
:smile:lol... I am thinking that whatever was on that paper towel has rubbed off on me.. .huh? LMAO

[AnniePie]

It's not something you would usually think of to motivate yourself to do *anything*, but maybe watch The Home Shopping Network with the sound turned off and music on, and eat ice-cream and tacos. And Cheetos. And chocolate. And the leftovers from Tues. Night dinner. Rinse, repeat.

Sounds like you may have a little "inside information" on what to do in that scenario, Lavinia Dear. :rolleyes: Want to get together one evening?

[gaelicpeas]

I thought that the finding of 2.5 days came from analysis of the gases in the car? :confused: Was it the hair?
You are correct... it was the air test.

[Lavinia]

Did she call me an idiot?<STOLE YOUR SNEAKY>

Anyhoo ... I got the paranoia after I left the par-tay and was driving home. Was sure I was going to crash the car and kill my puppy (who was actually with me and not a figment of my paranoid condition, thank goodness), and alternately, I kept seeing non-existent police lights in my rear view mirror. :scared:

That was it for me. Not EVEN worth it.

:laugh::laugh: I think she did!

(Not worth it to me either. I wish it was, I would use it in a NY minute, lol.)

[101Spots]

I'm kicking back with Jethro, sipping a tall one. I'll get back to you on that.

80 proof? No, wait..... Jethro would be grain alcohol, about 140 proof.

140 proof = 70% = .70

3.50(.70) + .67 = 3.12

HA! I win!

[Lavinia]

Sounds like you may have a little "inside information" on what to do in that scenario, Lavinia Dear. :rolleyes: Want to get together one evening?

Uh, I read about it in a book. Yup. That's the ticket. I read about it. :sneaky:

[aproudmom]

What am I missing?

LOL it is Starz EDGE had the movie on awhile ago..

[101Spots]

Not to be an alarmist, but if you lived out in the boondocks and there was a car slowly driving by with no headlights on, would you be worried?

Nevermind. They just zoomed away.

[Imperfect4]

80 proof? No, wait..... Jethro would be grain alcohol, about 140 proof.

140 proof = 70% = .70

3.50(.70) + .67 = 3.12

HA! I win!

Karaoke anyone?

<hiccup>

[Lavinia]

80 proof? No, wait..... Jethro would be grain alcohol, about 140 proof.

140 proof = 70% = .70

3.50(.70) + .67 = 3.12

HA! I win!

45% X {34/56}/21+/-^67

*I* win! :punch:

[101Spots]

45% X {34/56}/21+/-^67

*I* win! :punch:

Invalid expression.

You lose.

[Imperfect4]

Not to be an alarmist, but if you lived out in the boondocks and there was a car slowly driving by with no headlights on, would you be worried?

Nevermind. They just zoomed away.

Scared? Heck no. I'd be too busy sighting in my rifle ...

[gaelicpeas]

I got ya. But seriously ... did you look at the link from Friday? http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/0619/19801996.pdf, page 7yep... I read it.

[Lavinia]

That is why I am thinking that those compounds came from something else.. JMO

I don't think it's going to be because of any other reason than these types of things are not always as foolproof as the scientists like to think and we're going to get so much info, that some of it is bound to be contradictory. There are ALWAYS unexplained details in cases where the person doesn't confess totally.

[Dick Tracy]

Are you living in your mother's basement? :laugh:

Unfortunately, no. But if I was, i'd invite you over.

[101Spots]

You must have flashed 'em.

:sneaky: Works every time.

[seeing_eye]

I would have to go back and read the FBI report.. but I don't think the adipocere had anything to do with a human or pig. I think that was the air test... but I could be wrong.

lol.... I seem to be arguing with you guys about stuff as if I am for the defense. BELIEVE me, I am in NO way connected to the defense. I just think this adipocere finding is unrelated, IMO.

I think it was associated with a human or pig, not the air, IIRC

[CelticDawn]

Are you living in your mother's basement? :laugh:

OMG! :lol: That reminds me of the geek that lived in his Mums basement in that Men in black movie!!!! :lol:

[aproudmom]

well night all..dont get to crazy..lol

[101Spots]

Scared? Heck no. I'd be too busy sighting in my rifle ...

Close at hand, trust me. Close at hand.

[Lavinia]

Invalid expression.

You lose.

It was a positive integer! *I* win! (And you now owe me $78.52) :tonguewag:

[Imperfect4]

yep... I read it.

What else do you think would result in that adipo-whatever on the paper towels? I thought initially maybe bacon or sausage, lol, until I re-read it today and it said the stuff would be either from a decomposing human or pig. And they did call it "grave wax." :scared:

[Lavinia]

Scared? Heck no. I'd be too busy sighting in my rifle ...

You go Calamity!

[Imperfect4]

well night all..dont get to crazy..lol

Good-night, apm. :seeya:

[101Spots]

It was a positive integer! *I* win! (And you now owe me $78.52) :tonguewag:

integer n., a whole number; a number that is not a fraction.

Simplifying your expression results in a fraction. You lose.

[gaelicpeas]

I think it was associated with a human or pig, not the air, IIRC
The air test was associated with a human or pig.. not the adipocere, IIRC.

[AnniePie]

Oh cool, that's even better. Thanks.

(See DickTracy, we didn't have youtube back in the day of VHS either, :wink:)

(Speaking of watching things on youtube, is there anyone here who is really technically savy who could answer a question about Adobe Flash? My son and I are tearing our hair out trying to download it and it won't work. PM me if anyone thinks they can help.)

I really want to watch Friday's hearing.

[Imperfect4]

Exponential decay. YOU lose. :tonguewag:

You two are gonna have to go to your neutral places here shortly to comfort yourselves. :sneaky:

[101Spots]

Exponential decay. YOU lose. :tonguewag:

Does not follow the formula for exponential decay. Get thee back to school!

$132.57, please.

[gaelicpeas]

What else do you think would result in that adipo-whatever on the paper towels? I thought initially maybe bacon or sausage, lol, until I re-read it today and it said the stuff would be either from a decomposing human or pig. And they did call it "grave wax." :scared:I don't know. They mentioned certain levels of certain compounds... could be from anything. I just find it odd that of ALL the things in the trash bag from TonE's apartment, that there was a paper towel with adipocere on it. IMO, and again I state, IMO, this is a red herring.

[AnniePie]

Now THAT is something you read stoned! :laugh:

Does *feeling* like you're stoned after you've read it count?! :laugh:

[Lavinia]

You two are gonna have to go to your neutral places here shortly to comfort yourselves. :sneaky:

Yes ma'am. :patriot: (She started it, though.) :blushing:

[AnniePie]

O/T, but Jethro (Max Baer) lives in the area (he has a home in Lake Tahoe). He knows my significant other from the gym. We see him at Costco. We've had drinks with him at a local restaurant. He's a hoot in real life. Much like the Jethro character, except a bit smarter. :laugh:

That is so neat. How old is he now?

[Lavinia]

Does *feeling* like you're stoned after you've read it count?! :laugh:

:laugh: Yeah you could make good money selling that page on the street, lol.

[apothecary]

What else do you think would result in that adipo-whatever on the paper towels? I thought initially maybe bacon or sausage, lol, until I re-read it today and it said the stuff would be either from a decomposing human or pig. And they did call it "grave wax." :scared:
I checked the chemical ingredients ofhuman sperm and wikipedia said some of the compounds were spermine,cadaverine,putrcine..Gives it its smell and taste. I wonder how cadaver dogs react to it.

[AnniePie]

You guys are all so much OLDER than me. I feel like a kid in here.

If I didn't want to be sent to band camp, I'd yell, "SHUT UP, DICK!"

But I won't. :rolleyes:

[gaelicpeas]

FWIW, I don't remember anything about the adipocere and human/pig stuff. Can someone point me to where EXACTLY it said this?

My memory is that the human/pig stuff was related to the air test, NOT the adipocere. But I could be wrong, obviously. TIA.

[Imperfect4]

That is so neat. How old is he now?

About a hundred and twelve, I think. :laugh:

J/K. I'm guessing in his 70's. He's still got jet black hair, though. :sneaky:

[101Spots]

You two are gonna have to go to your neutral places here shortly to comfort yourselves. :sneaky:

Yes, Ma'am. <slink...........>

[gaelicpeas]

I checked the chemical ingredients ofhuman sperm and wikipedia said some of the compounds were spermine,cadaverine,putrcine..Gives it its smell and taste. I wonder how cadaver dogs react to it.Lawdy... no comment.

[Imperfect4]

FWIW, I don't remember anything about the adipocere and human/pig stuff. Can someone point me to where EXACTLY it said this?

My memory is that the human/pig stuff was related to the air test, NOT the adipocere. But I could be wrong, obviously. TIA.

http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/0619/19801996.pdf
page 7, "1. Paper towels"

[AnniePie]

Pooh/Pie ... love the new siggy, girlfriend, but could you clean it up by getting rid of those dashes, please and thank you? :wub:

Certainly, dahling... I didn't even know they were there.

We seem to have a new Annie, and I just gotta be MEEEEE...

[Imperfect4]

I checked the chemical ingredients ofhuman sperm and wikipedia said some of the compounds were spermine,cadaverine,putrcine..Gives it its smell and taste. I wonder how cadaver dogs react to it.

Oh, my. :unsure:

[AnniePie]

The movie, Untraceable. It's one of the movies Casey watched the night of the (July) 16th.

Oh. Thanks. Has anyone watched it? Is it good?

Knowing that the OC watched it after killing her baby, I don't think I could stomach it.

[Imperfect4]

Certainly, dahling... I didn't even know they were there.

We seem to have a new Annie, and I just gotta be MEEEEE...

Yes, AnnieBell.

No worries, dahling. At the rate a few of us are going, we'll be in new dresses in no time.

[101Spots]

See what you did? :punch:

MOM!!!!!!! She's picking on me!!!!!!!!

Harrumph! I know when I'm not appreciated. I'm going to bed. So there.

Night, all!

[imc_e]

Certainly, dahling... I didn't even know they were there.

We seem to have a new Annie, and I just gotta be MEEEEE...

I saw the new Annie and wondered if you had some new threads. :laugh:

BUT we know who YOU are! :thumbsup:

[Lavinia]

MOM!!!!!!! She's picking on me!!!!!!!!

Harrumph! I know when I'm not appreciated. I'm going to bed. So there.

Night, all!

Good night Spots! :wub: (You can send the money to my PayPal account tomorrow!)

[Imperfect4]

Yes ma'am. :patriot: (She started it, though.) :blushing:

... :no: ...

[Imperfect4]

MOM!!!!!!! She's picking on me!!!!!!!!

Harrumph! I know when I'm not appreciated. I'm going to bed. So there.

Night, all!

Sleep with the rifle, spotty.

See ya tomorrow. :wub:

[Imperfect4]

Okay, I better call it a night, too.

See all you nice folks tomorrow or thereabouts. :seeya:

[Lavinia]

Okay, I better call it a night, too.

See all you nice folks tomorrow or thereabouts. :seeya:

Goodnight gorgeous. :wub: I better get on with it, too.

See all you tomorrow! :seeya:

[gaelicpeas]

http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/0619/19801996.pdf
page 7, "1. Paper towels"
Okay, I see what you are saying. "While the amounts of these acids can vary, the fatty acid ratios detected on the paper towels are quite consistent with those detected in human and pig decompostion studies (I Bull et al, publication in press, S Forbes; Reference 14 and Personal Communication)."

Note that there is no published data on this. JMO

[Dovey]

Today was Father's day and all day I thought about Caylee's father. I'm wondering if he is alive, and how he is? To not even know he was the father to this beautiful child.
It really breaks my heart that Caylee's father never knew and shared in Caylee's:rose: life.
For Caylee and her father, she did have one.

[AnniePie]

I saw the new Annie and wondered if you had some new threads. :laugh:

BUT we know who YOU are! :thumbsup:

She's thrilled that everyone is PMing her and thinking she's me. I think I feel a state of sibling rivalry coming on... LOL :sneaky:

[velvetbrown]

Reefer Madness. We used to go to the midnight movies and watch Monterrey Pop, Woodstock, Reefer Madness, Chech and Chong movies etc. :biggrinjester::hat: It made me turn into a Lavinia. :scared:

OMG Lavinia, me too...haven't thought about that in 30 years!

[seeing_eye]

The air test was associated with a human or pig.. not the adipocere, IIRC.

Touche. I was wrong. (I think.)

[gaelicpeas]

Touche. I was wrong. (I think.)

I think you were right. I stand corrected.

[seeing_eye]

I think you were right. I stand corrected.

Gosh, hopefully we'll get it right eventually. :laugh:

[AnniePie]

Gosh, hopefully we'll get it right eventually. :laugh:

Has everyone bailed on me!? Where is the NODA at this time of night?!

[happygert]

Has everyone bailed on me!? Where is the NODA at this time of night?!

im here..Annie

[AnniePie]

im here..Annie

Oh good. Speak to me, gert. What do you think of the autopsy reports? I was away this weekend and haven't had time to catch up. What do you think about what has been reported? I hate being out of the loop.

[velvetbrown]

im here..Annie

me too...been busy these past few weeks, trying to catch up

[happygert]

Oh good. Speak to me, gert. What do you think of the autopsy reports? I was away this weekend and haven't had time to catch up. What do you think about what has been reported? I hate being out of the loop.


The tape that was completely around her nose and mouth tells me it was premeditated.. The grave wax that was also found in the trunk . Tells me casey was driving around orlando with that poor childs body in there decomposing while she was partying. until the smell got too bad for her.. Those 2 things alone should put the nails in her coffin..

[AnniePie]

The tape that was completely around her nose and mouth tells me it was premeditated.. The grave wax that was also found in the trunk . Tells me casey was driving around orlando with that poor childs body in there decomposing while she was partying. until the smell got too bad for her.. Those 2 things alone should put the nails in her coffin..


The tape just rocks me. Not only once but several times. How could she do it once, but how could she do it over and over again?! I agree that it was premeditated.

I firmly believe that no matter what the evidence, she will be found guilty. I have faith for that.

[Dovey]

im here..Annie

I'm here also but I just can't comment on the report as the tape makes me ill.
I was in Avon, Oh all weekend at the Duck tape festival, where the factory makes that tape and I just thought of Caylee all weekend. I watched my GS march and carry his cub scout's flag to the festival but all I could think of was Caylee and not my GSon in the parade.

It was a weekend which also was so close to Caylee's death date and the duct tape that was so so sad for me.

[AnniePie]

me too...been busy these past few weeks, trying to catch up

What do you think, VB? I haven't read the entire report yet. Mostly I'm just speculating after reading what everyone's opinions are.

I used to work for the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner in my city typing autopsy reports etc., and it never bothered me. Reading Caylee's autopsy report is extremely difficult for me, and I don't understand why. I guess it's because I feel so "close" to her after hanging out on this case for the past year.

When it's an anonymous little kid, it's difficult enough. But when it's a child that you've read about for a year and seen pics of for that length of time, it's a different story. Very hard.

[happygert]

The tape just rocks me. Not only once but several times. How could she do it once, but how could she do it over and over again?! I agree that it was premeditated.

I firmly believe that no matter what the evidence, she will be found guilty. I have faith for that.


She may have a whole fleet of attorneys but they are never going to explain away:
the smell in her car,
the grave wax in the trunk, her not reporting Caylee missing for 30 days, the hair with the death band in her trunk. the blanket that matched the rest of the set in the house, the laundry hamper that matched what was in the house, the duct tape that matched what was on the gas can and Caylee's mouth and nose, trash bags from house, dogs hittting on decomp from back yard,Where casey threw her away like trash she used ot bury her animals there and party there.. her partying and sleeping around while Caylee was so called missing.. none of those will be ever explained away.. and Lets not forgot about the maggot evidence.. thats going to be a biggie

[AnniePie]

I'm here also but I just can't comment on the report as the tape makes me ill.
I was in Avon, Oh all weekend at the Duck tape festival, where the factory makes that tape and I just thought of Caylee all weekend. I watched my GS march and carry his cub scout's flag to the festival but all I could think of was Caylee and not my GSon in the parade.

It was a weekend which also was so close to Caylee's death date and the duct tape that was so so sad for me.

I'm sorry, Dovey. I know we would all feel the way that you do if we'd attended this festival. I'm offering my hugs to you this evening. ((((Dovey))))

[Dovey]

There was a tent to take your children to make like wallets, purses, roses, jewerly boxes etc., so I went and asked many if I could have a piece of tape off the roll they used. I would say there wasn't anyone who could give me a 12 inch piece without leaving a fingerprint.

I also tried to find any employees about the Hinkel name on front of the tape but I couldn't find anyone who knew about that on their tape so it must be older tape. "Duck" tape has been sold at least twice in the past several years. I took a few photo's in the tent mentions above.

[Dovey]

I'm sorry, Dovey. I know we would all feel the way that you do if we'd attended this festival. I'm offering my hugs to you this evening. ((((Dovey))))

TY
It's a festival and parade I've attend for many years because my GSon's have been in for many many years but this year, it was Caylee I thought of.

[happygert]

What do you think, VB? I haven't read the entire report yet. Mostly I'm just speculating after reading what everyone's opinions are.

I used to work for the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner in my city typing autopsy reports etc., and it never bothered me. Reading Caylee's autopsy report is extremely difficult for me, and I don't understand why. I guess it's because I feel so "close" to her after hanging out on this case for the past year.

When it's an anonymous little kid, it's difficult enough. But when it's a child that you've read about for a year and seen pics of for that length of time, it's a different story. Very hard.

my niece was talking in class one morning the teacher wrapped duct tape around her mouth made her go all day like that. she even went to assembly where the whole school seen her..NO other teacher or principle took tape off either... teacher didnt even take tape off so she could eat lunch.. when Teacher took tape off her it pulled her hair out and pulled skin right off her face.. brother took her to pD filed a report then took her to every board members house.. he sues school district.. I cant imagine how a 2 yr old felt while she was struggling to breathe while her mother was cutting off her air and just kept wrapping that tape around..and watching her struggle until she dies.. she's one cold hearted *itch.. Too bad the jury cant pick the way she should die.. It would be fitting to hand cuff her hands behind her back shackle her legs. wrap duct around and around her head nose and mouth and let her feel the panic and terror that little Caylee must have felt..and put her pork rind *** in the trunk..and leave her then throw her where the animals would eat her and scattered her bones..

[Dick Tracy]

She may have a whole fleet of attorneys but they are never going to explain away:
the smell in her car,
the grave wax in the trunk, her not reporting Caylee missing for 30 days, the hair with the death band in her trunk. the blanket that matched the rest of the set in the house, the laundry hamper that matched what was in the house, the duct tape that matched what was on the gas can and Caylee's mouth and nose, trash bags from house, dogs hittting on decomp from back yard,Where casey threw her away like trash she used ot bury her animals there and party there.. her partying and sleeping around while Caylee was so called missing.. none of those will be ever explained away.. and Lets not forgot about the maggot evidence.. thats going to be a biggie

Your exactly right Gert. It's a trainload full of circumstantial evidence, with plenty of direct witnesses that are going to provide plenty of testimony against her ... There's no mystery here, other than how Caylee actually died.

[Dovey]

when we got home today from the Duck (duct) tape festival I told my hubby to take all the "free duct tape" and put it into a cabinet in the basement. It just reminded me so of Caylee's death.

[happygert]

Your exactly right Gert. It's a trainload full of circumstantial evidence, with plenty of direct witnesses that are going to provide plenty of testimony against her ... There's no mystery here, other than how Caylee actually died.

Exactly we'll never know how she died for certain... But my guess is she was suffocated ..And if they didn't find any drugs in tox tests its even worse.. Caylee was looking right at her killer struggling while that cold hearted Bi*ch watched her die..

[happygert]

OMG gert!!! I am so sorry that happened to her...but that is even too good for that subhuman piece of dirt...

My brother was so pissed he wanted to slap the crap right out of her..
He won the lawsuit...Mindy's little face was awful. took a month for her to heal ..left some scars..

[Dick Tracy]

Exactly we'll never know how she died for certain... But my guess is she was suffocated ..And if they didn't find any drugs in tox tests its even worse.. Caylee was looking right at her killer struggling while that cold hearted Bi*ch watched her die..

No kidding. It's giving people nightmares. It actually makes me pause throughout the day today. I had to use duct tape outside, and as I was ripping pieces off, I thought of Caylee. I'll never look at duct tape again the same way.

[anon-o-miss]

Okay, I see what you are saying. "While the amounts of these acids can vary, the fatty acid ratios detected on the paper towels are quite consistent with those detected in human and pig decompostion studies (I Bull et al, publication in press, S Forbes; Reference 14 and Personal Communication)."

Note that there is no published data on this. JMO
page 17 reference 14
http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/0619/19801996.pdf
Hope this helps.
:seeya:

[Dovey]

Exactly we'll never know how she died for certain... But my guess is she was suffocated ..And if they didn't find any drugs in tox tests its even worse.. Caylee was looking right at her killer struggling while that cold hearted Bi*ch watched her die..

It's so sad that a mother (may) or probably did this to her child.
And it's even sadder that the grandparent support the mother.
It's sad when Jesse and his father have more compassion as do others but not Caylee's own immediate family members.

[happygert]

No kidding. It's giving people nightmares. It actually makes me pause throughout the day today. I had to use duct tape outside, and as I was ripping pieces off, I thought of Caylee. I'll never look at duct tape again the same way.

Nor will I. Everytime I look at It I will think of poor little Caylee..That it was used as a murder weapon..

[happygert]

It's so sad that a mother (may) or probably did this to her child.
And it's even sadder that the grandparent support the mother.
It's sad when Jesse and his father have more compassion as do others but not Caylee's own immediate family members.

ITA Dovey.. pretty sickening..the way the a's are

[Dovey]

The Anthony's will just say, we didn't know we had to swear to tell the truth, That is a foreign language to them.

[anon-o-miss]

Just a thought...have been thinking about the latest media tour from these Scamthony's...what do they think when even their own lawyer says he does not agree with them NOT going to see her in jail? They keep saying that they do not want to be video taped or audio taped at the jail fully aware that they could sit there and communicate through blinks, clicks and knocks, or whatever their weird little decoder ring language is...and at least have the APPEARANCE of supporting her by spending time with her in person (or as close as they can be via jail video) - but yet they have no fear or compunction about going on national tv and SAYING they support her (when we all know they don't see her) and think that this is not worse than anything that could possibly be said there? I mean they say it's because they don't want that video released to the media - but then they ***** it up for the highest bidder at every other turn? - to promote their freakin fakeass Scamdation? To me that is FAR more scandalous than anything else they are trying to "hide" ... and why do they even HAVE legal representation if they don't heed his direct advice to them? Do they think we are all stupid? I so resent that...
:thumbsup: Excellent post notdarkyet!! They don't go because she doesn't want them there, and yes they do think we are stupid lol.

[happygert]

No kidding. It's giving people nightmares. It actually makes me pause throughout the day today. I had to use duct tape outside, and as I was ripping pieces off, I thought of Caylee. I'll never look at duct tape again the same way.


I didn't sleep much before and I sleep even less.. It horrible I have a 2 yr old G/S and I can't imagine anyone wanting to hurt someone so precious.. I would do anything to protect him..

[AnniePie]

ITA Dovey.. pretty sickening..the way the a's are

I'm sorry, Friends. I guess I need to hit the hay a bit early tonght. I will chat with you all tomorrow!

[happygert]

I'm sorry, Friends. I guess I need to hit the hay a bit early tonght. I will chat with you all tomorrow!

Night.......seeya tomorrow..

[Dovey]

No kidding. It's giving people nightmares. It actually makes me pause throughout the day today. I had to use duct tape outside, and as I was ripping pieces off, I thought of Caylee. I'll never look at duct tape again the same way.

Most will agree with that.
I haven't even read the book that was passed out with the "free duct" tape from the Duck factory today and about it's uses yet.

[anon-o-miss]

If and when the Scamthony's are ever arrested and read the Miranda warning...do you think when they say "You have the right to remain silent" they'll go...REALLY?????? We did not know that! :blushing:
Cindy would get indignant," Of course I know I have the right to remain silent I have an attorney" then she would to proceed to keep blabbing.

[happygert]

Another question... in the hearing when GA cried about the Great Grandparents' pain of hearing about the case...I wonder if he thinks the rest home plays HLN all day every day? :confused:

I guess ANY ol' reason will do, no matter HOW UNreasonable...

My guess is Shirley makes sure his TV in his room is never on any News channels at all..

[happygert]

Heres another sad fact..By the time casey told Caylee had been missing for 30 days her tiny body was already decomposed and scattered..so even if they would have found her body then. It would have been the same out come from autopsy..They still would not have been able to determine COD

[anon-o-miss]

It's so sad that a mother (may) or probably did this to her child.
And it's even sadder that the grandparent support the mother.
It's sad when Jesse and his father have more compassion as do others but not Caylee's own immediate family members.
(bolding mine)
I agree with you on that note. However, my problem with the Anthony's is not that they support their daughter, as a parent myself I can understand loving your child unconditionally and being by their side no matter what the circumstances. What I do have a problem with is their constant coddling of Casey at the expense of Caylee. My honest opinion is, if they weren't cool with BC saying that he has nothing that removes Casey from suspicion, he would have been gone immediately. I think as the trial gets closer and Casey and Baez block them out more and more, they've realized the target has shifted to them. They'll throw Casey under the bus for their own selfish purposes, but not for Caylee. :cursing:

[happygert]

The world knows the Cause of Death no matter then time frame. CASEY ANTHONY period. We don't need Henry Lee to tell us anything...

Yes .. HL needs to go back to china where he went after the PS trial..

[anon-o-miss]

I also wonder if The Waterboy has told Crazy some lameass so-called "legal" tactic because she wants to see her parents and thinks this is why...he "controls" what she hears from the "outside" except for maybe letters they write to her in which they have already been told that the only safe topic is the weather. He is a control freak and thinks he is the second coming of Atticus Finch - and she thinks he is going to save her and hangs on his every word cause THAT'S ALL SHE'S GOT...remember Lee telling her that he thinks Bozo has another agenda and that he "didn't give a sh*t about Baez" - even Lee said that she may not be getting the full picture from him?

I also read that Bozo's daughter went to school with Crazy...what gives?
:laugh: Atticus Finch :laugh:
That's a possibility, but I don't think Casey wants to see her parents. I think if she could shift the blame to them and get them convicted instead of her she would jump at the chance. She doesn't want to see Cindy especially IMO. Cindy would say something Casey doesn't want her to say, or ask a question Casey doesn't want to answer. She's happier sitting in her cell reading law books, eating pork rinds, dancing to her radio, and lotioning up so she's nice and smooth for those very special *ahem* attorney visits:blushing:.

[anon-o-miss]

Does anyone else think that when Bozo said in court "we're not afraid of the autopsy report" that it was a strange choice of word - "afraid" I think it is because it was a classic subconscious acknowledgment or slip of the tongue because they are all indeed afraid of the report - very much so...much like when Bozo said in the last hearing that "Jesse had been investigated for his involvement" and that is why they wanted his phone records - because they know damn good and well that the police would have arrested him if they thought for one second that he was involved in this? Unless of course they arrested him on a whim...those bad bad policemen...

Wonder if there has been a rush for the Scamthony's bears from law enforcement all over the country...hell, all over the WORLD!
I agree. As for the phone records they are grasping for straws. I would love to hear the fairytale she wove for her attorneys and I would love to see their faces once they realize they've been snowed.

[anon-o-miss]

Question - is it possible to "block" someone here from leaving a PM to me? Or if I try to PM someone and it doesn't seem to post or even show as a "sent" message will they still get it? Sorry off topic but I am curious...

I think you can block someone by going to Private Messages at the top under your name and going to ignore list or edit ignore list. As for a message not showing as sent it may not have sent or you may have to just refresh I'm not sure. :biggrin: Sorry if I just confused you more lol.

[seeing_eye]

look like it's just you and me anon...lol

I'm still here too, but just reading.

(Not going to be here long though.)

[Themis]

Yes .. HL needs to go back to china where he went after the PS trial..
HL went to China during the PS trial -- making himself unavailable to being called as a witness.:ohmy:
See paragraphs 7 and 6 from the bottom of the link:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/26/AR2007092600278.html

Will HL actually give 'expert' testimony in the Anthony trial? Only maybe.

[Steps]

Yes .. HL needs to go back to china where he went after the PS trial..

IIRC HL went to China DURING the Spector trial. How convenient that he was out of the country and unable to get on the stand and explain the lost/hidden fingernail evidence. He is one of the now-to-common experts who will say whatever he is being paid (quite handsomely too) say!!

[AnnieBell]

I sort of separate what Casey assumes she can get away with simply by running her mouth, and what she assumes she can get away with that is direct evidence of something she did.

Borrowing the shovel was a running of her mouth thing (bamboo shoots :rolleyes:). And there was nothing on that shovel according to the test results.

Leaving paper towels in the trunk with possible evidence on them I put in the second category.

Not saying the OC is bright by any means, but the paper towel thing has me puzzled. Especially since it seems she went to some lengths initially to clean up the car, or at least try to mask the smell.

I've been curious to see what the reports regarding the shovel said. But then wouldn't that contradict what George & Cindy told Greta...that Casey had dug up a Bamboo bush in order to explain the area where fresh dirt was found? So, if the neighbors shovel didn't move that dirt then we have a missing shovel. Another missing piece of the puzzle. Did Lee have a shovel?

[AnnieBell]

The report also states the LE took as evidence a "stone" like the stones in As yard. The report states there were 3 stones that matched the As stones in the area - could the As have missed those from their yard? Could that be what DCasey was looking for? Is that the reason OC needed the shovel to loosen the stones? Is that why she needed a stronger laundry bag? One stone was found near the body about 18 to 21 feet from the road, did she use that to weigh the body down so the animals could not drag the bags nearer to the street?

It looks like to me she planned the disposal a lot better than we thought she could. One garbage bag was tied but the second was not - maybe the first one leaked in the car was the reason she needed a second bag. I think she forgot the paper towel after she threw it in the garbage bag after she wiped hands or the car trunk.

Very interesting, IIRC didn't George and Cindy both testify, mind you under oath during the M&M, that the pavers located at the grave site didn't match those around their home & none of their pavers were missing?:glare:

[~jomomma~]

Very interesting, IIRC didn't George and Cindy both testify, mind you under oath during the M&M, that the pavers located at the grave site didn't match those around their home & none of their pavers were missing?:glare:

but they were doing alot of yard work and moving things around weren't they :sneaky:

[AnnieBell]

Indeed they were. George bragged about how meticulous he was about his yard work even if he did sweat decomp. odors. I wonder if he still has such pride for his lawn given that Caylee was hid there for a short time. Maybe he's taken up a new hobby like fishing with buddy ol pal Denis. He's got to find something to do while wifey poo and big "D"c discuss things like the weather, psychs, investigative reports or the meaning of life as they see it.:wink: