June 20-21 Weekend #1

[desmom]

One year ago today.....June 20, 2008

Brian Burner sees Casey’s car backed into the garage. http://flawebhosting.net/docs092308/bb092308.pdf

Troy Brown receives text message from Casey inviting him to Fusians on Friday. http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1641680/Brown-Troy---Statement

No text messages between Amy and Casey located in doc dumps.

Numerous phone calls registered on 6/20/08. IMO, Casey was inviting everyone in her phone book to Fusians. http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2385297/Casey_Anthony_cell_records_615_to_716

Hot Body Contest at Fusians per Tone page 48 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Lazaro%20%20Tony.090808.pdf

Maria Kissh said a group of them went out. http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Kissh%20%20Maria-0717.pdf

Casey wore the blue dress on June 20, 2008 at Fusians per photographer John Azzilonna http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/cdphotos.pdf

Tone told Casey she could put a couple of drinks on his tab at Fusians. She charged $60 to his tab. Page 52 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Lazaro%20%20Tony.090808.pdf

Blue dress photos:
http://image.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/casey-anthony-party-photo-13.jpg
http://cayleeanthony.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/caseyanthony.jpg
http://www.oneangryman.com/ken/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/casey-anthony-dancing3.jpg

Casey went home with Tone. She told him she was going to be a singer. Page 52 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Lazaro%20%20Tony.090808.pdf

Casey’s Cell phone pings http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=p6Pnw95vqOo-MgZ7Vsp9pYg&gid=2
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2385297/Casey_Anthony_cell_records_615_to_716

[desmom]

Judge releases Caylee's autopsy report
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/services/newspaper/printedition/monday/orl-loccasey-anthony-autopsy-report062009jun20,0,5570832.story

Autopsy report of examination
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/orl-caylee-anthony-autopsy-1,0,3019763.htmlpage

Forensic report
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/orl-caylee-anthony-autopsy-2,0,3085300.htmlpage

FBI report of examination
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/orl-caylee-anthony-autopsy-3,0,3150837.htmlpage

Autopsy Released Despite Anthonys' Efforts To Block
http://www.wftv.com/news/19802223/detail.html

Zenaida's Attorneys File Motion Against P.I.
http://www.wftv.com/news/19803807/detail.html

Dominic Casey, Motion To Strike: http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19803328/detail.html

Gonzalez's Response: http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19803207/detail.html

Caylee's Autopsy Results Released
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/19795725/detail.html

Full Hearing: http://www.clickorlando.com/video/19801984/index.html

Nancy Grace Transcript - Aired June 19, 2009
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/19/ng.01.html

[desmom]

Candles for Caylee

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle

:rose:

Caylee's Guest Book

http://www.legacy.com/gb2/default.aspx?bookid=8937948524009

:rose:

.

[desmom]

Quotes from Nancy Grace's show re: the autopsy

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/19/ng.01.html

Bill Scheaffer, Former Prosecutor: The strongest point is the fact that they found the body clothed in the pink shirt with the lettering on it that George Anthony said Caylee was wearing when he last saw her, and the person he last saw her with was the mother, Casey. And always, the last person that was seen with the victim certainly is the suspect and usually turns out to be the killer. That, coupled with the forensic evidence that linked articles found at the crime scene to Casey Anthony's home, establishes a pretty strong chain of circumstance evidence in this case.

Mickey Sherman, Defense Attorney: And I disagree a little bit with the last opinion because neither one of those things really makes the ball get closer to the finish line for the state. I think what the most -- strongest evidence was today from the autopsy is the moral outrage and absolute scary, heinous act of the thought of putting duct tape along this child's mouth. That is just so upsetting to most people. That will put the nail in the coffin more than (inaudible)

Dr. Lillian Glass, psychologist: And when you realize that there may have been several pieces of duct tape that were placed over her mouth, it shows that this was an act of rage.

[Deannalynn]

Casey looks awful happy in these pics. For someone who murdered their daughter, this is incredible. Cindy sat up there on Larry King and tried to explain these pics away. Didn't do a very good job. Said Casey was looking for clues.
What clues while on a dance floor playing peak a boo inside some other young womans shirt.
She is disgusting and I'm being nice.:angry:

[Deannalynn]

Judge releases Caylee's autopsy report
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/services/newspaper/printedition/monday/orl-loccasey-anthony-autopsy-report062009jun20,0,5570832.story

Autopsy report of examination
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/orl-caylee-anthony-autopsy-1,0,3019763.htmlpage

Forensic report
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/orl-caylee-anthony-autopsy-2,0,3085300.htmlpage

FBI report of examination
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/orl-caylee-anthony-autopsy-3,0,3150837.htmlpage

Autopsy Released Despite Anthonys' Efforts To Block
http://www.wftv.com/news/19802223/detail.html

Zenaida's Attorneys File Motion Against P.I.
http://www.wftv.com/news/19803807/detail.html

Dominic Casey, Motion To Strike: http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19803328/detail.html

Gonzalez's Response: http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19803207/detail.html

Caylee's Autopsy Results Released
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/19795725/detail.html

Full Hearing: http://www.clickorlando.com/video/19801984/index.html

Nancy Grace Transcript - Aired June 19, 2009
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/19/ng.01.html

Thanx desmom for bringing these forward today. I have been looking for something specific and haven't seen it yet. Will continue searching.

[desmom]

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/19/ng.01.html
Bill Scheaffer, Former Prosecutor: The strongest point is the fact that they found the body clothed in the pink shirt with the lettering on it that George Anthony said Caylee was wearing when he last saw her, and the person he last saw her with was the mother, Casey.

George August 4 interview with LE page 12 - http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2419801/Casey-Anthony-George-Anthony-Transcript-4-Aug08

And I know she was dressed in her little uh, blue jean skirt, the white tennis shoes, um....she had a pinkish color top...........her hair was in a ponytail that day;

[Scampi]

Good morning everyone. Thank you so much Des, for all of your hard work in arranging these links for us everyday. They are so helpful in our discussions the entire day.

Okay, I am confused by Bill Scheaffer's statement that the shirt found at the crimescene is the exact same shirt george claimed to have seen Caylee leaving the house with. Is it really?

I still believe some of the best evidence against anthony, is the results of the chloroform found soaked into the trunk carpet.

BTW, we still do not know what the "mystery" stain was on the carpet, that george put his nose "down on" from which the death odor came. I believe it will turn out to be additional adipocere (death wax.)

My favorite part of last night's show:


(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

(Brad Conway on LKL with cindy and george) - We know that there was no flesh and no hair attached to the duct tape, yet that`s what goes out to the media and that`s what people assume to be true. And that`s the unfair part, is that this young lady has not had her opportunity in court yet, yet people have drawn conclusions from discovery that`s out there. Discovery is documents that are put forth by the state, testing, statements, written statements, oral statements, taped statements. But evidence is what happens in court.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

CASAREZ: And we can confirm to you with this autopsy report released today there, in fact, was duct tape, and it in fact, was attached to the hair that was left on that skull.

Conway was shown as the liar he is, imo.

[Scampi]

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/19/ng.01.html
Bill Scheaffer, Former Prosecutor: The strongest point is the fact that they found the body clothed in the pink shirt with the lettering on it that George Anthony said Caylee was wearing when he last saw her, and the person he last saw her with was the mother, Casey.

George August 4 interview with LE page 12 - http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2419801/Casey-Anthony-George-Anthony-Transcript-4-Aug08

And I know she was dressed in her little uh, blue jean skirt, the white tennis shoes, um....she had a pinkish color top...........her hair was in a ponytail that day;


Thanks Des! IMO, Bill Scheaffer has made a huge leap here, a "pinkish color" top does not automatically translate into the pink top with those distinctive letters that was found and of course little striped pants were found, not a blue jean skirt.

If it was the exact same shirt, surely photographic memory george would have mentioned the lettering to LE?

[Sun]

Good morning everyone! Thanks so much desmom for putting all those link from yesterday on this weekend thread. The link that you provided for yesterday's hearing has the best sound of any, and those that had a hard time hearing yesterday may wish to re-listen/watch that one.

[Sun]

Thanks Des! IMO, Bill Scheaffer has made a huge leap here, a "pinkish color" top does not automatically translate into the pink top with those distinctive letters that was found and of course little striped pants were found, not a blue jean skirt.

If it was the exact same shirt, surely photographic memory george would have mentioned the lettering to LE?

I agree. A huge leap. But that is the media, and it's what they do. Little girls may tend to have quite a number of pink colored tops.

[Sun]

In re-listening to yesterday's hearing, I became quite suspicious that Conway did not produce a copy of the "power of attorney" that Casey supposedly gave to George and Cindy, and instead wanted the court to use George's sworn testimony to that. Something about that just didn't set right with me.

[desmom]

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/19/ng.01.html

Dr. Lillian Glass, psychologist: And when you realize that there may have been several pieces of duct tape that were placed over her mouth, it shows that this was an act of rage.

She also said, Psychologically, it means they want to keep that person quiet. They want to do an act, whether it's to cut off the breathing or whether it is to just to make sure they've done their job, the killer has done their job. So they use multiple pieces of tape to make sure that job was done.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/orl-caylee-anthony-autopsy-1,0,3019763.htmlpage

Page 2 - C. Several overlapping pieces of duct tape, over the anterior portion of the lower skull, including the mandible and a portion of the maxilla.

page 14 - ....and grayish colored tape was noted covering the mouth and nasal aperture areas.

http://duckproducts.com/products/subcategory.asp?CatID=1&SubID=1 reports their utility, all purpose and professional grades are 1.88" wide...between 1 3/4" - 2" wide.

Were the "several overlapping pieces of duct tape" overlapping end to end, on top of each other or parallel to each other?

IMO, the width of one piece of duct tape would easily cover a 3 year old's mouth from under their nose to under the chin. Because the nasal aperture was also covered, I believe there was no consideration given that Caylee's airway was being blocked by the duct tape.

And for the record...anyone that attempts to silence a child with any type of gag or tape should be..:cursing:

jmo

[n/t]

Thanks Des! IMO, Bill Scheaffer has made a huge leap here, a "pinkish color" top does not automatically translate into the pink top with those distinctive letters that was found and of course little striped pants were found, not a blue jean skirt.

If it was the exact same shirt, surely photographic memory george would have mentioned the lettering to LE?


Morning scampi and all! Des, thanks again for all you do.

I think Scheaffer is giving Geoge the benefit of the doubt that he saw Caylee that day. Most of us know he probably lied to cover up the fact that Casey stormed out of that house in a rage the night before when she had the fight with mommy dearest.

I agree with Dr. Glass. This was an act of extreme rage. Poor Caylee probably crying and screaming that she wanted grandma.

I know they didn't find chloroform in the remains because they had skeletal little bones and hair but I have no doubt this child was chloroformed.

She died a very horrific death. I'm so glad the DP is back on the table. Hope the murderer rots in hell.

[desmom]

Thanks Des! IMO, Bill Scheaffer has made a huge leap here, a "pinkish color" top does not automatically translate into the pink top with those distinctive letters that was found and of course little striped pants were found, not a blue jean skirt.

If it was the exact same shirt, surely photographic memory george would have mentioned the lettering to LE?

I have always found it odd the lst transcript we have of George is dated 7/24. Why would LE wait over a week to do a sit down interview with the family? IMO, they did not.

I have also noticed in many of the transcripts LE makes mention they, as in the witness and LE, talked before they began taping.

I think there are some statements we have not seen and I bet LE's notes have some things we have not seen from pre-interviews.

jmo

[~jomomma~]

dang desmom....you're amazing! i don't think i've ever taken the time to tell you thanks for everything you do!

thank you! :wub:

[Scampi]

I absolutely agree with Dr. Glass. The OC put those multiple layers of duct tape over Caylee's mouth and nose to silence her forever.

cindy and george attempted to continue that silencing yesterday with their motion to seal the autopsy report.

Thank God for the Sunshine Laws of Florida and Judge Strickland's decision to release the report.

Yesterday little Caylee finally got a chance to speak to us. The story that she will tell us in that courtroom is going to seal casey anthony's fate, imo.

[~jomomma~]

Morning scampi and all! Des, thanks again for all you do.

I think Scheaffer is giving Geoge the benefit of the doubt that he saw Caylee that day. Most of us know he probably lied to cover up the fact that Casey stormed out of that house in a rage the night before when she had the fight with mommy dearest.

I agree with Dr. Glass. This was an act of extreme rage. Poor Caylee probably crying and screaming that she wanted grandma.

I know they didn't find chloroform in the remains because they had skeletal little bones and hair but I have no doubt this child was chloroformed.

She died a very horrific death. I'm so glad the DP is back on the table. Hope the murderer rots in hell.


morning n/t....
actually, i think they should do to the murderer exactly what they think happened with poor Caylee.....let her almost die......then take her back to her cell for a couple of days before she is put to death....then let her rot in hell.


man......i'm only on my first cup of coffee this morning. do i sound angry to you at all? :sneaky:

[Scampi]

Hiya N/T!! I believe one of the biggest fights in this trial, is going to be over when that duct tape was placed on Caylee's nose and mouth. Before or after her death. The defense will say after death and point to how hard it would be to place several layers of duct tape on a moving child.

But, the prosecution has an excellent argument that the tape application would be very easy if the child was sedated first with chloroform. The evidence of chloroform on that trunk carpet is critical, I hope to God this defense team isn't successful in keeping it out.

[Scampi]

I have always found it odd the lst transcript we have of George is dated 7/24. Why would LE wait over a week to do a sit down interview with the family? IMO, they did not.

I have also noticed in many of the transcripts LE makes mention they, as in the witness and LE, talked before they began taping.

I think there are some statements we have not seen and I bet LE's notes have some things we have not seen from pre-interviews.

jmo

One reason might be that this appalling family could not make up their minds when they last saw Caylee alive.

I do agree tho, there's more we haven't seen yet.

[n/t]

I absolutely agree with Dr. Glass. The OC put those multiple layers of duct tape over Caylee's mouth and nose to silence her forever.

cindy and george attempted to continue that silencing yesterday with their motion to seal the autopsy report.

Thank God for the Sunshine Laws of Florida and Judge Strickland's decision to release the report.

Yesterday little Caylee finally got a chance to speak to us. The story that she will tell us in that courtroom is going to seal casey anthony's fate, imo.


A caller on HLN said the same thing and she got so emotional you could hear her sobbing when she said little Caylee finally got a chance to speak to us.

Praying Caylee Marie gets justice. The world is sitting by your side, sweet little angel.

[desmom]

The "several layers of duct tape" really bother me. This was not the action of someone angry, but the action of someone in full blinding rage...imo.

I have often thought the alleged argument between Casey and Cindy on June 15 was over Casey ripping off Great-grandma Shirley. The rip-off was back in the spring. IIRC, Shirley said in one of her interviews Casey called and apologized and Shirley told her to not come around anymore. Shirley may have mentioned it to Cindy, but I don't see Cindy bringing it up again to Casey on Father's Day.

I think the argument may have had more to do with Casey's late nights out, partying and using Cindy night after night as a free babysitter. Cindy called her on the Anything but Clothes party after Cindy saw the pics on Casey's myspace/facebook pages. Casey had told Cindy she was working.

I wonder if it had anything to do with the Puerto Rico trip. Amy told Casey in a text message on 5/30, JP and Ric had their tickets, Amy had called her dad and would have her's soon. Casey responded to the text with "I'll get mine this weekend".

IMO, Casey was really looking forward to the PR trip and she was running out of time. Did she ask Cindy to buy her a ticket? Did she tell Cindy she was going to PR for "work" or a much needed vacation and Cindy would have to keep Casey? Did Cindy refuse?

Whatever the argument was about, IMO, it was because Cindy told Casey "NO" and that is not a word Casey was used to hearing from her parents.

jmo

[n/t]

morning n/t....
actually, i think they should do to the murderer exactly what they think happened with poor Caylee.....let her almost die......then take her back to her cell for a couple of days before she is put to death....then let her rot in hell.


man......i'm only on my first cup of coffee this morning. do i sound angry to you at all? :sneaky:

nah, you sound like you always do. :tonguewag:


I agree that sometimes we wish the murderers would experience the same pain they inflicted on their victims. Instead we get a glimpse of how well protected they are in jail and free to order whatever the heck they want from the jail commissary. Crazy people even depositing money in their jail account.

It's disgusting.

[n/t]

Hiya N/T!! I believe one of the biggest fights in this trial, is going to be over when that duct tape was placed on Caylee's nose and mouth. Before or after her death. The defense will say after death and point to how hard it would be to place several layers of duct tape on a moving child.

But, the prosecution has an excellent argument that the tape application would be very easy if the child was sedated first with chloroform. The evidence of chloroform on that trunk carpet is critical, I hope to God this defense team isn't successful in keeping it out.

I say good luck to them. Even if the prosecution can't prove Caylee was chloroformed, any intelligent juror would know that an adult can overpower a 2 year old especially in a fit of rage.

[ellegna]

I have always found it odd the lst transcript we have of George is dated 7/24. Why would LE wait over a week to do a sit down interview with the family? IMO, they did not.

I have also noticed in many of the transcripts LE makes mention they, as in the witness and LE, talked before they began taping.

I think there are some statements we have not seen and I bet LE's notes have some things we have not seen from pre-interviews.

jmo

Good morning all

Thank you Desmom for all the links. I have some catching up to do.

Don't forget LE had George Cindy Casey and Lee provide written statements first on July 15th. Those were the statements that stated June 9th as the last day anyone saw Caylee. Just after those statements LE discovered the Father's Day video. Cindy then began appearing on talk shows spewing all kinds of stuff. LE, noting all the inconsistencies then decided to do a more in depth sit down interview over a week later.

[desmom]

Hiya N/T!! I believe one of the biggest fights in this trial, is going to be over when that duct tape was placed on Caylee's nose and mouth. Before or after her death. The defense will say after death and point to how hard it would be to place several layers of duct tape on a moving child.

But, the prosecution has an excellent argument that the tape application would be very easy if the child was sedated first with chloroform. The evidence of chloroform on that trunk carpet is critical, I hope to God this defense team isn't successful in keeping it out.

I read a blog somewhere in the couple of months or so that mentioned Caylee's love for Sponge Bob. The blog brought up a character from the show named Pearl. Pearl is gray, wears a ponytail and her mouth is a red heart. Here is a picture of Pearl - http://www.buddytv.com/articles/spongebob-squarepants/images/pearl-krabs-1.jpg

I found it eerie. jmo

[Scampi]

I think you're right Des, this eruption had been brewing for sometime and it all exploded on 6/15.

I think after reading this report, we also have an explanation of the first degree murder charge. I believe that sedating Caylee with the chloroform and duct taping her nose and mouth are the agravated child abuse factors that led to her death. How Lyon can seriously file a motion claiming the DP is not applicable in this case is beyond me.

[ellegna]

Hiya N/T!! I believe one of the biggest fights in this trial, is going to be over when that duct tape was placed on Caylee's nose and mouth. Before or after her death. The defense will say after death and point to how hard it would be to place several layers of duct tape on a moving child.

But, the prosecution has an excellent argument that the tape application would be very easy if the child was sedated first with chloroform. The evidence of chloroform on that trunk carpet is critical, I hope to God this defense team isn't successful in keeping it out.

Morning Scampi

There's also the possibility Caylee was so terrified she froze and was unable to move.
My friend was a recent victim of an armed robbery. She was so traumatized, her legs froze and she was unable to walk. Once the adrenaline began to wear off, she was able to move again.
If an adult can freeze in fear it wouldn't take much for a child.

[Scampi]

I read a blog somewhere in the couple of months or so that mentioned Caylee's love for Sponge Bob. The blog brought up a character from the show named Pearl. Pearl is gray, wears a ponytail and her mouth is a red heart. Here is a picture of Pearl - http://www.buddytv.com/articles/spongebob-squarepants/images/pearl-krabs-1.jpg

I found it eerie. jmo

Pearl is also dressed in pink. Eerie is right. I bet george got the significance of this right away. casey anthony is one sick puppy, imo.

[n/t]

Des, I think it's all of the above.

IMO, she may have asked mom and dad for money to go on the PR trip and perhaps that's when they confronted her and asked her why she didn't have the money to pay for the trip herself. They thought she had a job. Maybe they got a hold of her bank account with Zero money in it and wanted to know where she was spending all her money. She obviously wasn't paying a babysitter. Everyone did it for free including Zanny the nanny.

Game over. She was caught lying again and mom, dad and Caylee were cramping her style. She needed mom and dad to watch Caylee when she was out partying. By getting rid of Caylee, she didn't need mom and dad anymore, she didn't have to answer to them and she could steal money from her friends or whoever she could victimize.

[kellabeck]

SNIP
Conway was shown as the liar he is, imo.

Good morning, Scamp!
I thought the very same thing when I heard the duct tape WAS attached to the hair. I thought of Brad Conway. And I was shocked, shocked, that he was revealed to be such a liar.

[Scampi]

Morning Scampi

There's also the possibility Caylee was so terrified she froze and was unable to move.
My friend was a recent victim of an armed robbery. She was so traumatized, her legs froze and she was unable to walk. Once the adrenaline began to wear off, she was able to move again.
If an adult can freeze in fear it wouldn't take much for a child.

Morning Ell, you're right she could have froze. It boggles the mind just thinking about this little girl's last moments with that monster. :angry:

[ellegna]

Oh My
Now that's spooky. Pink outfit and a heart? :sad:

[kellabeck]

Des, I think it's all of the above.

IMO, she may have asked mom and dad for money to go on the PR trip and perhaps that's when they confronted her and asked her why she didn't have the money to pay for the trip herself. They thought she had a job. Maybe they got a hold of her bank account with Zero money in it and wanted to know where she was spending all her money. She obviously wasn't paying a babysitter. Everyone did it for free including Zanny the nanny.

Game over. She was caught lying again and mom, dad and Caylee were cramping her style. She needed mom and dad to watch Caylee when she was out partying. By getting rid of Caylee, she didn't need mom and dad anymore, she didn't have to answer to them and she could steal money from her friends or whoever she could victimize.


IMO, the argument was over her embezzling money from her own grandmother, for cryin' out loud! Money meant to pay for her grandfather's care!! Casey stole money from her mother's parents and I believe Cindy had had it. That embezzlement is far, far more egregious than even asking for money for Puerto Rico.

I agree with the part I bolded above. And would add not only were they cramping her style, they were hectoring her about changing her lifestyle and being more responsible. Further I add the thought that I have been propounding for, it seems, a long, long time: PLUS she took from Cindy that which Cindy loved so very much and she did it to SPITE HER MOTHER.

IMO, Casey's motive was two-fold: a desire to be independent and to spite her mother. Murdering Caylee accomplished both.

[desmom]

Good morning all

Thank you Desmom for all the links. I have some catching up to do.

Don't forget LE had George Cindy Casey and Lee provide written statements first on July 15th. Those were the statements that stated June 9th as the last day anyone saw Caylee. Just after those statements LE discovered the Father's Day video. Cindy then began appearing on talk shows spewing all kinds of stuff. LE, noting all the inconsistencies then decided to do a more in depth sit down interview over a week later.

And the wording of their handwritten statements are very odd.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3868229/guide-to-casey-anthony-documents-orlando-sentinel

Lee - page 33 - She claimed she's been searching for Caylee herself and had other people helping her.

WTH is up with "she claimed"? Was Lee questioning Casey's story?

Cindy's statement on page 35 and does not mention the "nanny" one time. Why wouldn't Cindy tell LE about all the times Casey told her Caylee was with the nanny?

George's statement page 37 - ....and told me that Caylee Marie (our granddaughter) was missing, taken a month ago, by a person by the name of Zany.

He did not say taken by her babysitter or nanny, but "a person by the name of Zany". What is up with that? Wouldn't you think George being former LE he would realize how important it would be to the investigation to write "by her babysitter/nanny named Zany"?

jmo

[shellzbi]

desmom, Thank You for the one year ago daily recap and all the link.

It's the first thing I go to each day. Shellzbi.

[desmom]

Des, I think it's all of the above.

IMO, she may have asked mom and dad for money to go on the PR trip and perhaps that's when they confronted her and asked her why she didn't have the money to pay for the trip herself. They thought she had a job. Maybe they got a hold of her bank account with Zero money in it and wanted to know where she was spending all her money. She obviously wasn't paying a babysitter. Everyone did it for free including Zanny the nanny.

Game over. She was caught lying again and mom, dad and Caylee were cramping her style. She needed mom and dad to watch Caylee when she was out partying. By getting rid of Caylee, she didn't need mom and dad anymore, she didn't have to answer to them and she could steal money from her friends or whoever she could victimize.

bolding mine....

Hmmm, that could explain Cindy's July 3 myspace post when she wrote "no money, no future". page 34 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3868229/guide-to-casey-anthony-documents-orlando-sentinel

I think the prosecution will bring up this myspace post when they question Cindy at trial.

Cindy has said repeatedly Casey and Caylee were on a bonding trip, but wrote "leaves without warning".

Cindy also told the FBI she provided LE with Zanny's address, but she wrote "Who is now watching out for the little angel?"

jmo

[Scampi]

bolding mine....

Hmmm, that could explain Cindy's July 3 myspace post when she wrote "no money, no future". page 34 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3868229/guide-to-casey-anthony-documents-orlando-sentinel

I think the prosecution will bring up this myspace post when they question Cindy at trial.

Cindy has said repeatedly Casey and Caylee were on a bonding trip, but wrote "leaves without warning".

Cindy also told the FBI she provided LE with Zanny's address, but she wrote "Who is now watching out for the little angel?"

jmo

The implication of this statement is that Caylee NEEDED someone to watch out for her, imo. A true thought if ever I heard one about Caylee. Yep, cindy has lots of explaining to do with this little myspace message.

[n/t]

bolding mine....

Hmmm, that could explain Cindy's July 3 myspace post when she wrote "no money, no future". page 34 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3868229/guide-to-casey-anthony-documents-orlando-sentinel

I think the prosecution will bring up this myspace post when they question Cindy at trial.

Cindy has said repeatedly Casey and Caylee were on a bonding trip, but wrote "leaves without warning".

Cindy also told the FBI she provided LE with Zanny's address, but she wrote "Who is now watching out for the little angel?"

jmo


Yup...and:

this mother gave chance after chance for her daughter to change but instead more lies more betrayal....

[AMS]

Good morning everyone.

Snipped

[color=blue]Conway was shown as the liar he is, imo.

Based on his performance in court yesterday, I wonder if C & G will now consider him useless and fire him. They always need to blame someone for everything that is happening...because we know it is NEVER their fault.

Good morning all.

imo

[Sun]

I think the argument may have had more to do with Casey's late nights out, partying and using Cindy night after night as a free babysitter. Cindy called her on the Anything but Clothes party after Cindy saw the pics on Casey's myspace/facebook pages. Casey had told Cindy she was working.

I wonder if it had anything to do with the Puerto Rico trip. Amy told Casey in a text message on 5/30, JP and Ric had their tickets, Amy had called her dad and would have her's soon. Casey responded to the text with "I'll get mine this weekend".

IMO, Casey was really looking forward to the PR trip and she was running out of time. Did she ask Cindy to buy her a ticket? Did she tell Cindy she was going to PR for "work" or a much needed vacation and Cindy would have to keep Casey? Did Cindy refuse?

Whatever the argument was about, IMO, it was because Cindy told Casey "NO" and that is not a word Casey was used to hearing from her parents.

jmo

I can easily see Casey's increase in partying, late nights, and staying out all night being topics of many fights between Cindy and Casey. You make a good point about the PR trip, and there is probably more there that we just don't know about. I don't know if Casey's new desire for Tony affected her decision to go to PR, or not. Casey did seem to prefer him over Ricardo, I think. (imo, Tony was just toying with Casey and using her for easy sex).

It did seem that the normal routine was for Caylee to sleep with Casey every night. If Casey wanted to stay out at night, perhaps Cindy found it a chore to manage Caylee on those nights.

[msgatorslayer]

Des, I think it's all of the above.

IMO, she may have asked mom and dad for money to go on the PR trip and perhaps that's when they confronted her and asked her why she didn't have the money to pay for the trip herself. They thought she had a job. Maybe they got a hold of her bank account with Zero money in it and wanted to know where she was spending all her money. She obviously wasn't paying a babysitter. Everyone did it for free including Zanny the nanny.

Game over. She was caught lying again and mom, dad and Caylee were cramping her style. She needed mom and dad to watch Caylee when she was out partying. By getting rid of Caylee, she didn't need mom and dad anymore, she didn't have to answer to them and she could steal money from her friends or whoever she could victimize.

G'morning, everyone!!

One thing the State isn't lacking, IMO, is a motive story for the jury to hear. They have many things they can use. I just wonder, as the trial approaches and they sort through everything, which story they will end up using.

[n/t]

Based on his performance in court yesterday, I wonder if C & G will now consider him useless and fire him. They always need to blame someone for everything that is happening...because we know it is NEVER their fault.

Good morning all.

imo

BC is a puppet for the Anthonys. He does whatever they want him to do even if it makes no sense.

Either that or he better read up on the Sunshine Law in Florida because he obviously made an idiot of himself bringing this motion to court.

He sure as heck knew there was no way the judge could stop it from being released.

I guess it gave the Anthonys another opportunity to be on television.:rolleyes:

[msgatorslayer]

BC is a puppet for the Anthonys. He does whatever they want him to do even if it makes no sense.

Either that or he better read up on the Sunshine Law in Florida because he obviously made an idiot of himself bringing this motion to court.

He sure as heck knew there was no way the judge could stop it from being released.

I guess it gave the Anthonys another opportunity to be on television.:rolleyes:

The Anthony's think they're special. I have no doubts that they thought the Judge would make an exception for them. That their grief was more important than the publics right to know if what the State has been saying is true or not.

[Sun]

Good morning, Scamp!
I thought the very same thing when I heard the duct tape WAS attached to the hair. I thought of Brad Conway. And I was shocked, shocked, that he was revealed to be such a liar.

Having liars as clients sure hasn't helped BConway's reputation. I also have noticed that BConway likes to "play" with wording, in an effort to intentionally mislead.

[desmom]

G'morning, everyone!!

One thing the State isn't lacking, IMO, is a motive story for the jury to hear. They have many things they can use. I just wonder, as the trial approaches and they sort through everything, which story they will end up using.

Add in how quick Casey was to fly into a tantrum when her parents visited on August 14 after only a few minutes into the visit. - http://www.wftv.com/video/18490326/index.html

images from the video: http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/18490360/detail.html

jmo

[ellegna]

bolding mine....

Hmmm, that could explain Cindy's July 3 myspace post when she wrote "no money, no future". page 34 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3868229/guide-to-casey-anthony-documents-orlando-sentinel

I think the prosecution will bring up this myspace post when they question Cindy at trial.

Cindy has said repeatedly Casey and Caylee were on a bonding trip, but wrote "leaves without warning".

Cindy also told the FBI she provided LE with Zanny's address, but she wrote "Who is now watching out for the little angel?"

jmo

I believe that posting will be very significant during the trial. It contradicts what Cindy said or did prior to reporting Caylee missing.
Cindy obviously told Shirley she was worried about Caylee. Shirley and her sister Loubea exchanged emails voicing their concern something was amiss.

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:rGfnSBf17B8J:blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/files/13.pdf+caylee,+record,+07/14/08&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=6&gl=us

When Cindy appeared on LKL 7/30/08, Larry asked her if she didn't think it was nuts not seeing or hearing Caylee? Cindy said no.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bP7Bmn-M2_M

[cassidy]

Having liars as clients sure hasn't helped BConway's reputation. I also have noticed that BConway likes to "play" with wording, in an effort to intentionally mislead.

I don't know who he thought he was kidding with the hair on the duct tape thing. Even if the autopsy report hadn't been released to the public, it would have been used in the trial and he would look bad. What is it with the Anthony's that lawyers are laying their reputations on the line for them?

JMO

[sammy62]

I have always found it odd the lst transcript we have of George is dated 7/24. Why would LE wait over a week to do a sit down interview with the family? IMO, they did not.

I have also noticed in many of the transcripts LE makes mention they, as in the witness and LE, talked before they began taping.

I think there are some statements we have not seen and I bet LE's notes have some things we have not seen from pre-interviews.

jmo

morning all

Des...I have a transcript of George on 7/15

http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_transcript_GeorgeStatement071508.ht m

[msgatorslayer]

I don't know who he thought he was kidding with the hair on the duct tape thing. Even if the autopsy report hadn't been released to the public, it would have been used in the trial and he would look bad. What is it with the Anthony's that lawyers are laying their reputations on the line fo them?

JMO

They're all getting a hard lesson in the way the Sunshine Laws work. There are consequences for getting on national TV and saying that the state is lying about duct tape. We seen what they are yesterday. A nice doc dump disproving Conway's statement and backing up the state.:wink:

[Explorer]

The Anthony's think they're special. I have no doubts that they thought the Judge would make an exception for them. That their grief was more important than the publics right to know if what the State has been saying is true or not.

Thats exactly right they think they are very unique and special. I like the way george tried to pull on heartstrings and mentioned Great grandparents:rolleyes:

[AMS]

Thanks to all for your great posting yesterday. I couldn't be on the board very much but it was so easy to get all the info from the fabulous posts.

I read the autopsy docs before I went to bed last night. I could not get the image of the "animal activity" out of my head. :crying:

imo

[*MoonRider*]

GM everyone. Thank you Des. I had a horrible nightmare last night. I was in a prison and it was extremely hot. The smell of urine was overwhelming. As I lay on my metal bunk I saw a large rat run by. I woke up and my heart was pounding. After trying to forget the dream, I rolled over and grabbed my big fluffy pillow and went back to sleep. I slept the rest of the night like a baby knowing that Casey will wake up to the horror I was dreaming about for the rest of her life. :thumbup:

[Explorer]

They're all getting a hard lesson in the way the Sunshine Laws work. There are consequences for getting on national TV and saying that the state is lying about duct tape. We seen what they are yesterday. A nice doc dump disproving Conway's statement and backing up the state.:wink:

Yes Yes I agree. They pushed the envelope and now the envelope exploded:biggrin:

[Scampi]

I believe that posting will be very significant during the trial. It contradicts what Cindy said or did prior to reporting Caylee missing.
Cindy obviously told Shirley she was worried about Caylee. Shirley and her sister Loubea exchanged emails voicing their concern something was amiss.

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:rGfnSBf17B8J:blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/files/13.pdf+caylee,+record,+07/14/08&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=6&gl=us

When Cindy appeared on LKL 7/30/08, Larry asked her if she didn't think it was nuts not seeing or hearing Caylee? Cindy said no.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bP7Bmn-M2_M


You're right Ell. cindy anthony will respond to the prosecution pointing out all her "lies, misstatements and misdirections" like a cornered rat, imo. The day she is slapped on the stand is going to be one of the best days of this trial for me.:thumbup:

[cassidy]

They're all getting a hard lesson in the way the Sunshine Laws work. There are consequences for getting on national TV and saying that the state is lying about duct tape. We seen what they are yesterday. A nice doc dump disproving Conway's statement and backing up the state.:wink:

But he had to know that information would come out during the trial. Sunshine Law or trial, either one would prove that Conway lied. I don't get it. Why even risk it?

JMO

[msgatorslayer]

You're right Ell. cindy anthony will respond to the prosecution pointing out all her "lies, misstatements and misdirections" like a cornered rat, imo. The day she is slapped on the stand is going to be one of the best days of this trial for me.

:thumbup:

Oh, totally agree with ya Reggie. It will be a day to remember. I can't wait!!!!

[ellegna]

BC is a puppet for the Anthonys. He does whatever they want him to do even if it makes no sense.

Either that or he better read up on the Sunshine Law in Florida because he obviously made an idiot of himself bringing this motion to court.

He sure as heck knew there was no way the judge could stop it from being released.

I guess it gave the Anthonys another opportunity to be on television.:rolleyes:

Now this baffles me. BC should be looking out for G&C's best interests. They were deposed and provided sworn statements during LE and FBI interviews. If G&C are now providing conflicting stories and BC is very aware they are lying, allows them to continue lying, isn't he suborning perjury?

[n/t]

Add in how quick Casey was to fly into a tantrum when her parents visited on August 14 after only a few minutes into the visit. - http://www.wftv.com/video/18490326/index.html

images from the video: http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/18490360/detail.html

jmo

Those images are very telling of her rage towards her parents. She knew she was being taped here. I can just imagine what she's like without the camera on her.

I think we got the first dose of Casey Anthony during the first jailhouse call when she said calling her parents was a huge waste and all she wanted was Tone's number. All her parents cared about was Caylee.

She couldn't care less.

[msgatorslayer]

But he had to know that information would come out during the trial. Sunshine Law or trial, either one would prove that Conway lied. I don't get it. Why even risk it?

JMO

Potential jury pool and public sentiment, for NOW, I guess.

I just thought of something. IMO, the media is being nice to the Anthony's. They could have pushed the envelope and asked to see the autopsy photos, videos, and x-rays.

Florida has had its share of high profile autopsy's. I can't place which one it was for sure, I wanna say Terri Schiavo, the media fought and won the right to see them.

[sammy62]

But he had to know that information would come out during the trial. Sunshine Law or trial, either one would prove that Conway lied. I don't get it. Why even risk it?

JMO

because he is Cindy's pawn. She tells him what to say. I saw it yesterday, and I saw it in the depo's. She leans over and talks to him, and he spews nonsense.

Cindy wears George on one ear, and Brad on the other

[Sun]

G'morning, everyone!!

One thing the State isn't lacking, IMO, is a motive story for the jury to hear. They have many things they can use. I just wonder, as the trial approaches and they sort through everything, which story they will end up using.

I have a sinking feeling that a trial won't begin for a long, long time.

I keep hoping that someone will be able to follow the money trail until they uncover the source and the details. Something is so very wrong, and the public knows it.

[Scampi]

Potential jury pool and public sentiment, for NOW, I guess.

I just thought of something. IMO, the media is being nice to the Anthony's. They could have pushed the envelope and asked to see the autopsy photos, videos, and x-rays.

Florida has had its share of high profile autopsy's. I can't place which one it was for sure, I wanna say Terri Schiavo, the media fought and won the right to see them.

Hiya msgator!! Wasn't the biggest dust up over the Dale Earnhard autopsy, which prompted the law? Even in that case, as was pointed out in the hearing yesterday, the report was released to the public, minus the photographs and xrays.

[*MoonRider*]

I think the yellow tied garbage bags will play a major role in this case. This photo was taken on 7/25.
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/july25photos039-1.jpg

Video of GA taking out garbage on 8/8 with yellow ties.
http://www.wftv.com/video/17132420/index.html

And last but not least Cindy herself provided a black garbage bag with yellow ties to LE (thanks Des)
Page 2 - http://www.wftv.com/news/18530366/detail.html

On July 16, 2008......Detective Beasley provided me with the following pieces of evidence:

Black plastic bag containing inside:
• Doll (Art #3, Item H-51975)
• Backpack (Art #4, Item H-51975)
• Childs tooth brush (Article #5, Item H-51975)
• Black leather bag (Article #6, Item H-51975)
• Various papers (Article #7, Item H-51975)
• Dinner knife (Article #8, Item H-51975)
• Blue plastic crate (Article #9, Item H-51975)
• Plastic clothes hangers (Article #10, Item H-51975)


The above are items LE collected from Cindy Page 181 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3868229/...lando-sentinel

page 42 - http://www.wftv.com/news/18530366/detail.html

Remember Melanie McGuire?

[Scampi]

because he is Cindy's pawn. She tells him what to say. I saw it yesterday, and I saw it in the depo's. She leans over and talks to him, and he spews nonsense.

Cindy wears George on one ear, and Brad on the other

I was trying to figure out exactly what cindy said to conway during the hearing yesterday. When it came time for his rebuttal he mentioned the report having a bearing on the potential jury pool, which prompted an objection by the prosecutor, Linda Burdick Drane. Was this what cindy wanted him to bring up? What are your thoughts?

[msgatorslayer]

Hiya msgator!! Wasn't the biggest dust up over the Dale Earnhard autopsy, which prompted the law? Even in that case, as was pointed out in the hearing yesterday, the report was released to the public, minus the photographs and xrays.

Right, the law over the autopsy pics is because of Dale.

But the Terri Schiavo saga was a huge debate. I'd have to do some research but I'm pretty sure it was her case in which the media was allowed to view the autopsy pics. They couldn't copy them to make them public. But they had the right to view them.

[Explorer]

I was trying to figure out exactly what cindy said to conway during the hearing yesterday. When it came time for his rebuttal he mentioned the report having a bearing on the potential jury pool, which prompted an objection by the prosecutor, Linda Burdick Drane. Was this what cindy wanted him to bring up? What are your thoughts?

The foundation she told him to tell the judge they were on TV to help others

[Scampi]

The foundation she told him to tell the judge they were on TV to help others

That's right, he mentioned that too. All about the money with the appalling anthonys. :thumbdown:

[Explorer]

That's right, he mentioned that too. All about the money with the appalling anthonys. :thumbdown:

Yes when the media atty said the anthonys were taking part in public comment she got up and whispered in brads ear.

[Sun]

Add in how quick Casey was to fly into a tantrum when her parents visited on August 14 after only a few minutes into the visit. - http://www.wftv.com/video/18490326/index.html

images from the video: http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/18490360/detail.html

jmo

And she'd been jailed for just less than a month at that point. Can you imagine how she may be feeling nowdays?

I keep remembering the video of Casey taken at the jail on the day that the Grand Jury returned the indictment. At first she was sitting there in shackles, and if my memory is correct, they impeded her ability to "talk with her hands." Later on in the video, the shackles had been removed, and when she was trying to make her point, she motioned wildly with both hands/arms as she was talking.

I also recall Unser describing Casey on Dec 11th, wanted her shackles loosened.... and because I haven't seen the jail video, my imagination leads me to believe that Casey may have struggled greatly against the shackles, in a fit of anger.

[Explorer]

And she'd been jailed for just less than a month at that point. Can you imagine how she may be feeling nowdays?

I keep remembering the video of Casey taken at the jail on the day that the Grand Jury returned the indictment. At first she was sitting there in shackles, and if my memory is correct, they impeded her ability to "talk with her hands." Later on in the video, the shackles had been removed, and when she was trying to make her point, she motioned wildly with both hands/arms as she was talking.

I also recall Unser describing Casey on Dec 11th, wanted her shackles loosened.... and because I haven't seen the jail video, my imagination leads me to believe that Casey may have struggled greatly against the shackles, in a fit of anger.

When the judge ordered her there for the first hearing I think she had a little hissy then:tonguewag:

[ellegna]

Those images are very telling of her rage towards her parents. She knew she was being taped here. I can just imagine what she's like without the camera on her.

I think we got the first dose of Casey Anthony during the first jailhouse call when she said calling her parents was a huge waste and all she wanted was Tone's number. All her parents cared about was Caylee.

She couldn't care less.

I'm sure that wasn't Casey's first hissy fit and she probably had some directed at Caylee too. That might have been mentioned to the counselor Cindy saw.

You would almost wonder during the alleged fight of June 15th if something actually happened to Caylee during the scuffle?
During the yelling and Cindy grabbing Casey's throat, could Caylee have gotten in the way, knocked down and possibly hurt? Could that have made the situation worse? Cindy is now absolutely livid so Casey grabs Caylee and hightails it out of the house?
Is that why the A's refuse to admit there was a fight that night because Caylee was hurt?

[Sun]

Cindy gave to LE the things that SHE wanted, and I suspect that she also held back other things that she didn't want them to know about. It's my belief that the Anthonys cleaned and detailed that car, and any contents that were given to LE. (shucks, Casey had been "homeless" and mostly living out of her car from June 16th through the 27th when she abandoned her car at the Amscot... the car had to have been a mess.

[Explorer]

I'm sure that wasn't Casey's first hissy fit and she probably had some directed at Caylee too. That might have been mentioned to the counselor Cindy saw.

You would almost wonder during the alleged fight of June 15th if something actually happened to Caylee during the scuffle?
During the yelling and Cindy grabbing Casey's throat, could Caylee have gotten in the way, knocked down and possibly hurt? Could that have made the situation worse? Cindy is now absolutely livid so Casey grabs Caylee and hightails it out of the house?
Is that why the A's refuse to admit there was a fight that night because Caylee was hurt?

And casey grabbed Caylee and left cindy had no way of knowing how badly Caylee was hurt.

[SandyO]

I was trying to figure out exactly what cindy said to conway during the hearing yesterday. When it came time for his rebuttal he mentioned the report having a bearing on the potential jury pool, which prompted an objection by the prosecutor, Linda Burdick Drane. Was this what cindy wanted him to bring up? What are your thoughts?

I thought she wanted him to mention her "foundation" ---- to give it another plug..........which he then did.

[Explorer]

I thought she wanted him to mention her "foundation" ---- to give it another plug..........which he then did.

That was cindys explaination on why they were on TV.

[Sun]

I was trying to figure out exactly what cindy said to conway during the hearing yesterday. When it came time for his rebuttal he mentioned the report having a bearing on the potential jury pool, which prompted an objection by the prosecutor, Linda Burdick Drane. Was this what cindy wanted him to bring up? What are your thoughts?

Yes, that is possible. Especially since Baez also made his laughable attempt there at the end of the hearing. Did you notice that Baez just had to get in the very last word at the hearing.... something about one the record, objection, fair trial, jury, venue.

[SandyO]

That was cindys explaination on why they were on TV.

Right. Of course it has nothing to do with free first class trips to upscale hotels and restaurants. The Anthonys are SO transparent!

[Sun]

Those images are very telling of her rage towards her parents. She knew she was being taped here. I can just imagine what she's like without the camera on her.

I think we got the first dose of Casey Anthony during the first jailhouse call when she said calling her parents was a huge waste and all she wanted was Tone's number. All her parents cared about was Caylee.

She couldn't care less.

In that jail call, Casey clearly showed none of the same concern that everyone else was showing in regards to Caylee. That is a huge point.... about her showing her true feelings when she wasn't aware of being taped.

I think that both George and Cindy knew that Casey never felt a normal bond with Caylee.... not the way a mom should.

[SandyO]

In that jail call, Casey clearly showed none of the same concern that everyone else was showing in regards to Caylee. That is a huge point.... about her showing her true feelings when she wasn't aware of being taped.

I think that both George and Cindy knew that Casey never felt a normal bond with Caylee.... not the way a mom should.

That brings back a long-lost memory. Didn't Cindy say something way back when about Casey taking Caylee for an extended time so that they could 'bond'? What? Needing to bond with your nearly three year old child with whom you've been living all along?

[desmom]

And casey grabbed Caylee and left cindy had no way of knowing how badly Caylee was hurt.

hmmm, I don't know. I think in that scenario Cindy would have been able to contact LE for a "check on the welfare - possible injured 2 year old". jmo

[Explorer]

Thats why the a's are so mad that Ron Cummings rejected them. It would have given their foundation credibility. They could go into court and say see we were on tv to help find missing kids were working on the Haleigh case.

[Explorer]

hmmm, I don't know. I think in that scenario Cindy would have been able to contact LE for a "check on the welfare - possible injured 2 year old". jmo

I was thinking... theres casey anthonys defense right there.:ohmy:

[kOOkie1]

In that jail call, Casey clearly showed none of the same concern that everyone else was showing in regards to Caylee. That is a huge point.... about her showing her true feelings when she wasn't aware of being taped.

I think that both George and Cindy knew that Casey never felt a normal bond with Caylee.... not the way a mom should.

I agree Casey never did have a normal bond with Caylee. The A's have made a point of mentioning that Cindy was the first person to hold Caylee at birth and that has always affected Cindy & Casey's relationship..I think that is an excuse. I think most Mom's bond with their child while they are pregnant. Casey was too busy pretending and denying even being pregnant for so long she never felt a connection:crying:

[BJames]

Good morning to all :smile:

I came away with a couple of things yesterday after watching the hearing...I do believe that someone told Cindy not to speak and to allow George a chance at sympathy.
As we have seen/heard before...Cindy tends to want to hear from Casey first, to give her a chance to 'explain' her version. That was the reason she gave her co-workers for not calling the police or going home when the vehicle smelled so badly...and she probably would like (us) to hear what Casey has to say about the autopsy before the public has a chance to read it.
For me there isn't one thing in total that stands out for me in that report, sadly some things were confirmed for me. I do believe she had that baby girl in her vehicle for a while before she 'dumped' it, that the body was not moved after it was thrown there (vegetation growth through the spine)...and of course the layers of tape over her mouth and nose area...there just are not many ways to read that.
We haven't heard from the FBI reports yet and we probably won't before trial, but the pieces that we have been able see/read certainly fill in the picture...there is just sooo much.
Like any other case we have seen with this much CE in it...the only hope this defense has is keeping as much out of the trial as they can...and of course the old SODDI defense..short of that there is only one person that can (and will) be held accountable.
Not unlike the Peterson case...we are going to see a foundation laid by the prosecution, and one by one the puzzle pieces will be laid to form the whole picture.
This baby girl deserves justice....not those whom failed to protect her in life, they have dealt their own hands.

Just my opinion of course....

[courtsinsession]

Morning Ell, you're right she could have froze. It boggles the mind just thinking about this little girl's last moments with that monster. :angry:

It is incomprehensible to imagine this innocent sweet child looking up at the face of this woman, her "mommy", who is supposed to have protected her, being the instrument of her death. That is the last face Caylee sees, in all of its ugly rage. Now Casey, when she makes a court appearance, sits there with an imperious look, smiling and flirting with Jose (yuck) and smiling at Ms. Kenny Badden (ick); posing because she knows the cameras are on her and don't ya know, she believes she will be free again to pursue the kind of life she believes she is entitled to thanks to a family that turned the other way every time Casey screwed up;

[BJames]

Just one other thought before I head outside..?

I think Jose Baez actually likes when the Anthony's show up and make a 'circus' out of things...For him it is 'proof' of how 'controlling' Casey's parents have always been, and it feeds right into what I believe he is going to try and show in the defense. Casey 'didn't do it'..but if she did... it was because of how she was raised and her fear of them..And/or...that is going to be the explaination of why she waited 31 days to tell anyone, and 'tried' to handle it by herself.
I'm not buying it...but the Anthony's actions sure do add some legs to the thought.
I think Jose Baez will not hesitate to throw George and/or Cindy under the bus...I have to wonder if they even see it coming?


Just my opinion of course..

[Explorer]

Just one other thought before I head outside..?

I think Jose Baez actually likes when the Anthony's show up and make a 'circus' out of things...For him it is 'proof' of how 'controlling' Casey's parents have always been, and it feeds right into what I believe he is going to try and show in the defense. Casey 'didn't do it'..but if she did... it was because of how she was raised and her fear of them..And/or...that is going to be the explaination of why she waited 31 days to tell anyone, and 'tried' to handle it by herself.
I'm not buying it...but the Anthony's actions sure do add some legs to the thought.
I think Jose Baez will not hesitate to throw George and/or Cindy under the bus...I have to wonder if they even see it coming?


Just my opinion of course..
It really does appear that way doesnt it.

[flipflop]

I have a question about the presence of adipocere. Did they say that was on paper towels in the trunk? If that doesnt begin until around a month does that mean she went back and messed with Caylee's little body? Also, what I read about that is that it usually isn't present in warm climates or with insects. I am confused about this. I hope someone can help. Thanks.

[SandyO]

I have a question about the presence of adipocere. Did they say that was on paper towels in the trunk? If that doesnt begin until around a month does that mean she went back and messed with Caylee's little body? Also, what I read about that is that it usually isn't present in warm climates or with insects. I am confused about this. I hope someone can help. Thanks.

The way I read it and heard it, adipocere develops WITHIN a month, not that it develops after a month ---- and so that leaves a wide open door there.

[Patty437]

I know we can't read the mind of a nut case, but I often wonder what the OC was going to tell people as time went on about where Caylee was. You can only go to the beach and Disney World so many times. I realize she only lived "in the moment" but telling friends she's here or there and dealing with Cindy about where Caylee was is totally different.

[flipflop]

I know we can't read the mind of a nut case, but I often wonder what the OC was going to tell people as time went on about where Caylee was. You can only go to the beach and Disney World so many times. I realize she only lived "in the moment" but telling friends she's here or there and dealing with Cindy about where Caylee was is totally different.

Well, shoot. I'll go one further. What was she going to tell Amy, about her checks, with her OWN signature on the back, when Amy got home??? There was no way out of that one. That just begs for a head shake. How dumb was that.

[SandyO]

I know we can't read the mind of a nut case, but I often wonder what the OC was going to tell people as time went on about where Caylee was. You can only go to the beach and Disney World so many times. I realize she only lived "in the moment" but telling friends she's here or there and dealing with Cindy about where Caylee was is totally different.

I really believe Casey intended to take flight to parts unknown --- maybe to California with Mark Hawkins. She stretched it too far, but if she'd been given that "one more day" I think she'd have disappeared.

[Patty437]

I really believe Casey intended to take flight to parts unknown --- maybe to California with Mark Hawkins. She stretched it too far, but if she'd been given that "one more day" I think she'd have disappeared.

yeah.....I think you're right. That would have been a heck of a road trip with the smell in the car. Yikes!!

[SandyO]

yeah.....I think you're right. That would have been a heck of a road trip with the smell in the car. Yikes!!

She had the money in her pocket to take a bus, or maybe even fly----($250.00, wasn't it?). The car, her family and her daughter were all GONE from her life at that point, and I think the only thing holding her up and delaying her was her attachment to TonE. She just didn't flee soon enough.

[Scampi]

I have a question about the presence of adipocere. Did they say that was on paper towels in the trunk? If that doesnt begin until around a month does that mean she went back and messed with Caylee's little body? Also, what I read about that is that it usually isn't present in warm climates or with insects. I am confused about this. I hope someone can help. Thanks.

I posted this link yesterday, very informative imo. Sandy is right, based on prevailing conditions, adipocere can develope within a months time.


http://www.enotes.com/forensic-science/adipocere

[Sun]

That brings back a long-lost memory. Didn't Cindy say something way back when about Casey taking Caylee for an extended time so that they could 'bond'? What? Needing to bond with your nearly three year old child with whom you've been living all along?

Yes Cindy did say that. I believe that Casey may have had only the feeling that Caylee was a possession. Her possession. A possession that she was NOT going to let Cindy take away from her. I believe that she killed Caylee for this very reason. Casey probably blames Caylee's death on Cindy.

[Scampi]

Yes, that is possible. Especially since Baez also made his laughable attempt there at the end of the hearing. Did you notice that Baez just had to get in the very last word at the hearing.... something about one the record, objection, fair trial, jury, venue.

Yes, I noticed and thought it was pitiful. If baez wanted his objection to the release of the autopsy report on the record, he should have filed a motion. Once again, I have to question this man's working knowledge of basic and simple law.

[Patty437]

She had the money in her pocket to take a bus, or maybe even fly----($250.00, wasn't it?). The car, her family and her daughter were all GONE from her life at that point, and I think the only thing holding her up and delaying her was her attachment to TonE. She just didn't flee soon enough.

yeah, and her exercise in her cell is probably trying to kick herself in rear for not leaving right away!!

[desmom]

The way I read it and heard it, adipocere develops WITHIN a month, not that it develops after a month ---- and so that leaves a wide open door there.

I agree Sandy. I also read a studies regarding a body being placed in a plastic bag, the formation was retarded; if the body was clothed and in a plastic bag or in a cool damp area, the formation could be accelerated.

jmo

[SandyO]

yeah, and her exercise in her cell is probably trying to kick herself in rear for not leaving right away!!

I'm SURE she's wishing she'd gotten away sooner, especially realizing now how much support she'd get from TonE. She just didn't give Cindy credit for the ability to track her down at TonE's and thereby crashing her whole scheme.

[Lapis]

Potential jury pool and public sentiment, for NOW, I guess.

I just thought of something. IMO, the media is being nice to the Anthony's. They could have pushed the envelope and asked to see the autopsy photos, videos, and x-rays.

Florida has had its share of high profile autopsy's. I can't place which one it was for sure, I wanna say Terri Schiavo, the media fought and won the right to see them.

I know I am about an hour behind. But I just couldn't let this stand. The law specifically excludes the photos, videos and x-rays. The court in this case has also already entered an order barring these from being released. So the media was only asking for what they knew was allowed. I doubt they were being nice to anyone. JMO

[kanzz]

Thanks Des! IMO, Bill Scheaffer has made a huge leap here, a "pinkish color" top does not automatically translate into the pink top with those distinctive letters that was found and of course little striped pants were found, not a blue jean skirt.

If it was the exact same shirt, surely photographic memory george would have mentioned the lettering to LE?

ITA. Geo was merely guessing when he said 'pinkish color'. I still don't believe for one minute that he saw Caylee alive on the 16th.

[SandyO]

ITA. Geo was merely guessing when he said 'pinkish color'. I still don't believe for one minute that he saw Caylee alive on the 16th.

Neither do I. I think that's been pretty much debunked.

[kanzz]

That brings back a long-lost memory. Didn't Cindy say something way back when about Casey taking Caylee for an extended time so that they could 'bond'? What? Needing to bond with your nearly three year old child with whom you've been living all along?

When I first heard about the bonding trip, my first thought was that there might have been recent conversation in casa Anthony regarding "maternal bonding" and the fact that Casey had missed the boat on that essential issue the minute Caylee was born and handed off to the grandmother.

[kanzz]

I really believe Casey intended to take flight to parts unknown --- maybe to California with Mark Hawkins. She stretched it too far, but if she'd been given that "one more day" I think she'd have disappeared.

Yup. ITA. Imagine how much Casey resents her mother for not granting that "one more day".

[kanzz]

Neither do I. I think that's been pretty much debunked.

me too. I think that's why we keep seeing the word "reportedly" in conjunction with "last seen alive"... LE and the media aren't buying it either.

[kanzz]

I read a blog somewhere in the couple of months or so that mentioned Caylee's love for Sponge Bob. The blog brought up a character from the show named Pearl. Pearl is gray, wears a ponytail and her mouth is a red heart. Here is a picture of Pearl - http://www.buddytv.com/articles/spongebob-squarepants/images/pearl-krabs-1.jpg

I found it eerie. jmo

eww. this creeps me out. I think you have another significant discovery here.


BTW - thanks so much for all you do.

.

[Sun]

When I first heard about the bonding trip, my first thought was that there might have been recent conversation in casa Anthony regarding "maternal bonding" and the fact that Casey had missed the boat on that essential issue the minute Caylee was born and handed off to the grandmother.

It's a bit odd too, that in this jail phone call that Casey also mentions the "bond" word.

Lee: Right. What do you think -- uh, where do you think -- you think Caylee's OK right now?

Casey: My gut feeling? As mom asked me yesterday, and even Jose asked me last night, the psychologist asked me this morning that I met with through the court. Um, in my gut, she's still OK, and it still feels like she's, she's close to home.

Lee: OK.

Casey: So, I mean, that's still my, my best feeling at the moment. Again, if that changes, obviously I'm going to reach out and say something immediately, but I know Mom will understand this better than anyone that there's that type of bond that you have with your kids.
Lee: Right.

Casey: And it's, you know, it's unexplainable. Absolutely.

[kanzz]

Morning Scampi

There's also the possibility Caylee was so terrified she froze and was unable to move.
My friend was a recent victim of an armed robbery. She was so traumatized, her legs froze and she was unable to walk. Once the adrenaline began to wear off, she was able to move again.
If an adult can freeze in fear it wouldn't take much for a child.

Yes, but your friend was still able to breathe in and breathe out. The basic need for air would cause panic in anyone who is awake if they were being smothered.

[kitty1182]

I so wish she would have gotten in a license check while she had Caylee in the trunk...

[kanzz]

It's a bit odd too, that in this jail phone call that Casey also mentions the "bond" word.

Lee: Right. What do you think -- uh, where do you think -- you think Caylee's OK right now?

Casey: My gut feeling? As mom asked me yesterday, and even Jose asked me last night, the psychologist asked me this morning that I met with through the court. Um, in my gut, she's still OK, and it still feels like she's, she's close to home.

Lee: OK.

Casey: So, I mean, that's still my, my best feeling at the moment. Again, if that changes, obviously I'm going to reach out and say something immediately, but I know Mom will understand this better than anyone that there's that type of bond that you have with your kids.
Lee: Right.

Casey: And it's, you know, it's unexplainable. Absolutely.

Yes, very odd. Perhaps she understood maternal-child bonding on an intellectual level (maybe she had been reading something Cindy assigned), but not on an emotional level (never having had that true bonding experience).

The theories about maternal-infant bonding have varied and changed widely over the years, but one school of thought says this needs to occur within the first 12 hours of life in order to become cemented in both mother and child. The very first thing that needs to happen in order to start the wheels of bonding into motion is for the babe to be put to breast. The chemical part of the bonding process requires it.

If your very first experience as a brand new mother (grandmother gets to hold your new baby first) instills resentment; and if you are repeatedly reminded of this event by your own mother telling the story to others; what real chance to you have at bonding? Hard to unring that bell.

[BlueTurtle]

Yes, that is possible. Especially since Baez also made his laughable attempt there at the end of the hearing. Did you notice that Baez just had to get in the very last word at the hearing.... something about one the record, objection, fair trial, jury, venue.

I wonder if the new lawyer choose not to file a motion to delay release and JB disagreed and the only way he could get any word in was to have the Anthony's lawyer file the motion. I loved how the judge walked away as JB was still trying to make his point. The judge knew he was not correct in trying to have a word in this motion.

[bchand]

I read a blog somewhere in the couple of months or so that mentioned Caylee's love for Sponge Bob. The blog brought up a character from the show named Pearl. Pearl is gray, wears a ponytail and her mouth is a red heart. Here is a picture of Pearl - http://www.buddytv.com/articles/spongebob-squarepants/images/pearl-krabs-1.jpg

I found it eerie. jmo

As many times as I'ved watched Spongebob over the years, I didn't remember Pearl at all.

I decided to ask my gdaughters and they BOTH knew immediately who she was and they said the heart is her lips. :angry:

[bchand]

Yes, that is possible. Especially since Baez also made his laughable attempt there at the end of the hearing. Did you notice that Baez just had to get in the very last word at the hearing.... something about one the record, objection, fair trial, jury, venue.

I thought they were already off the record at that point. Would his objection even be recorded at that point I wonder?

[bchand]

me too. I think that's why we keep seeing the word "reportedly" in conjunction with "last seen alive"... LE and the media aren't buying it either.

and yet, in one of the autopsy reports released yesterday it states that June 16th was the last day she was seen by a credible source.

Of course, George WAS credible back at that time. Since then, not so much.

[kanzz]

and yet, in one of the autopsy reports released yesterday it states that June 16th was the last day she was seen by a credible source.

Of course, George WAS credible back at that time. Since then, not so much.

ohhh... I missed that. Thanks for the 411.

[Sun]

I thought they were already off the record at that point. Would his objection even be recorded at that point I wonder?

chuckles... off the record means just that, I would guess. The court reporter would stop, I would think.

[Dick Tracy]

It's a bit odd too, that in this jail phone call that Casey also mentions the "bond" word.

Lee: Right. What do you think -- uh, where do you think -- you think Caylee's OK right now?

Casey: My gut feeling? As mom asked me yesterday, and even Jose asked me last night, the psychologist asked me this morning that I met with through the court. Um, in my gut, she's still OK, and it still feels like she's, she's close to home.

Lee: OK.

Casey: So, I mean, that's still my, my best feeling at the moment. Again, if that changes, obviously I'm going to reach out and say something immediately, but I know Mom will understand this better than anyone that there's that type of bond that you have with your kids.
Lee: Right.

Casey: And it's, you know, it's unexplainable. Absolutely.

Morning Sun - Wish you were here (in Seattle of course!)

This is one of those little snippets of conversation, that in PRP's world, appears she's trying to convey the location to her brother.

Notice in her answer, she illicits all kinds of extra information, specifically who's asked her the same question - and she starts her reply by stating that this information is the result of her GUT FEELING:

Lee: Right. What do you think -- uh, where do you think -- you think Caylee's OK right now?

Casey: My gut feeling?As mom asked me yesterday, and even Jose asked me last night, the psychologist asked me this morning that I met with through the court. Um, in my gut, she's still OK, and it still feels like she's, she's close to home.

Well, in her twisted mind, she was right. In the prp's mind, the body hadn't been discovered, so Caylee was okay. And if Caylee hasn't been found, then everyone is searching somewhere else and LE and all the searchers are still out there searching and wasting time to look for a live Caylee. And Caylee was close to home.

The first part of the statement immediately after the blue where she offers more information is the lie.

Caylee wasn't okay.

[seeing_eye]

They're all getting a hard lesson in the way the Sunshine Laws work. There are consequences for getting on national TV and saying that the state is lying about duct tape. We seen what they are yesterday. A nice doc dump disproving Conway's statement and backing up the state.:wink:

I don't think they know what the Sunshine Law is. Conway, as well as Baez, always refers to it as LE leaking information.

[angellaw]

and yet, in one of the autopsy reports released yesterday it states that June 16th was the last day she was seen by a credible source.

Of course, George WAS credible back at that time. Since then, not so much.


OMG...I just thought the same thing this morning...I think he is a bit strange, then their was the suicide thing...he was the last to see her alive...hum....

[Dells]

Judge releases Caylee's autopsy report
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/services/newspaper/printedition/monday/orl-loccasey-anthony-autopsy-report062009jun20,0,5570832.story

Autopsy report of examination
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/orl-caylee-anthony-autopsy-1,0,3019763.htmlpage

Forensic report
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/orl-caylee-anthony-autopsy-2,0,3085300.htmlpage

FBI report of examination
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/orl-caylee-anthony-autopsy-3,0,3150837.htmlpage

Autopsy Released Despite Anthonys' Efforts To Block
http://www.wftv.com/news/19802223/detail.html

Zenaida's Attorneys File Motion Against P.I.
http://www.wftv.com/news/19803807/detail.html

Dominic Casey, Motion To Strike: http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19803328/detail.html

Gonzalez's Response: http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19803207/detail.html

Caylee's Autopsy Results Released
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/19795725/detail.html

Full Hearing: http://www.clickorlando.com/video/19801984/index.html

Nancy Grace Transcript - Aired June 19, 2009
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/19/ng.01.html

Good morning, friends. Thanks so much for all the links, desmom. :seeya:

I am so glad that judge decided to release the autopsy report. I am sorry, but I just can't feel sorry for The Anthony's and all their pain and suffering when they themselves help contribute to this whole tragic situation. I think their anger and frustration is so misdirected. Casey is the one that caused this whole unfortunate series of events, and yet they treat her w/kid gloves. Everyone else is just trying to do their jobs and get justice for Caylee.

The damage that Casey has caused by murdering Caylee is just astounding to me. And the damage just continues w/her false claims of innocence. She is so selfish. She could have ended this suffering for her family and everyone else by owning up to what she did to her daughter when she was caught on day 31, but no, Casey continues this ridiculous charade.:thumbdown: In the end it will backfire on her though. If she would have just admitted what happened from the getgo, she probably would have had to serve some jail time, but she would have eventually been released from prison. Now she will either get the DP or LWOP and will never see the light of day again. She will get exactly what she deseves.

[seeing_eye]

I was trying to figure out exactly what cindy said to conway during the hearing yesterday. When it came time for his rebuttal he mentioned the report having a bearing on the potential jury pool, which prompted an objection by the prosecutor, Linda Burdick Drane. Was this what cindy wanted him to bring up? What are your thoughts?

No, I think Cindy was telling BC to refute the media's attorney's questions about their media appearances. She wanted BC to explain those appearances have nothing to do with Casey's trial, but they're spreading the news about their foundation. But it didn't work with the judge.

[SandyO]

I know I am not the first person to make this observation, but Casey is one tough nut to crack ---- in fact, she may be an impossible nut to crack and she may take the details of what really happened to Caylee to her own grave ---- but I have to wonder if ANYONE, anyone at all, has heard the truth from Casey's lips. Baez? Cindy? George? Lee?

[really3997]

Morning all, just checking in really quick.. I know everyone wants to see Cindy on the stand although great TV. I am REALLY waiting for after the trial when someone (Conway or Milsteads) writes a tell all book:thumbsup:JMO

[court~critic1®]

May I ask a question. IF this has been adressed I missed it.


Having read the autopsy report twice I did not read where they found any socks or shoes with the remains. Did I miss it? If not where was Caylees shoes and socks? uummm TIA!


Also, on NG last night, while I was going through channels, I caught her producer having a pity party for the Ants. Her tune has changed imoo. Wonder why.

[Scampi]

I know I am not the first person to make this observation, but Casey is one tough nut to crack ---- in fact, she may be an impossible nut to crack and she may take the details of what really happened to Caylee to her own grave ---- but I have to wonder if ANYONE, anyone at all, has heard the truth from Casey's lips. Baez? Cindy? George? Lee?

You're right Sandy. I don't think anyone has or will ever hear the entire truth of what she did to Caylee.

All we need to know about casey anthony and her penchant for lying is recalling her taking Allen and Melich to Universal Studios and walking confidently down the corridor to "her office" which did not exist.

What kind of mentality does it take to attempt something like this? She is doing the exact same thing now, lying and deceiving. Only now she has a multi million dollar defense team to assist her in her deception.

Something is very wrong with our "justice" system, imo.

[texski]

Yes, very odd. Perhaps she understood maternal-child bonding on an intellectual level (maybe she had been reading something Cindy assigned), but not on an emotional level (never having had that true bonding experience).

The theories about maternal-infant bonding have varied and changed widely over the years, but one school of thought says this needs to occur within the first 12 hours of life in order to become cemented in both mother and child. The very first thing that needs to happen in order to start the wheels of bonding into motion is for the babe to be put to breast. The chemical part of the bonding process requires it.

If your very first experience as a brand new mother (grandmother gets to hold your new baby first) instills resentment; and if you are repeatedly reminded of this event by your own mother telling the story to others; what real chance to you have at bonding? Hard to unring that bell.

this bonding experience is great if you can have it, but not being able to do so does not ruin you love for the child. i had a premature baby, 2 1/2 pounds, he was taken out of the room immediately. i saw him thru the window for the first time two days later. he was in the hospital for allmost 2 months. it was an hour away and i had another boy, 3 years old. we called the hospital every morning to hear what he had gained, went there every saturday morning to see him thru the window. i talked to his brother about the baby boy who was coming home, showed him the bed ready for him. when he finally came home it was a great day for us all and after all these years there never was any difference in our love for the two boys. if you really want, and want to love, the baby, the ideal way is great, but it does not mean that if things are not ideal, the love and bond is not there.

[KatieLady]

this bonding experience is great if you can have it, but not being able to do so does not ruin you love for the child. i had a premature baby, 2 1/2 pounds, he was taken out of the room immediately. i saw him thru the window for the first time two days later. he was in the hospital for allmost 2 months. it was an hour away and i had another boy, 3 years old. we called the hospital every morning to hear what he had gained, went there every saturday morning to see him thru the window. i talked to his brother about the baby boy who was coming home, showed him the bed ready for him. when he finally came home it was a great day for us all and after all these years there never was any difference in our love for the two boys. if you really want, and want to love, the baby, the ideal way is great, but it does not mean that if things are not ideal, the love and bond is not there.

And my son is adopted....We didn't "meet" him until he was 3 days old. It was instant love and instant bonding.

IMO all that stuff is hogwash.

[SandyO]

You're right Sandy. I don't think anyone has or will ever hear the entire truth of what she did to Caylee.

All we need to know about casey anthony and her penchant for lying is recalling her taking Allen and Melich to Universal Studios and walking confidently down the corridor to "her office" which did not exist.

What kind of mentality does it take to attempt something like this? She is doing the exact same thing now, lying and deceiving. Only now she has a multi million dollar defense team to assist her in her deception.

Something is very wrong with our "justice" system, imo.


Of all the posts I have read in the past year, THIS is the one I agree with the most! That Universal scene was nothing less than incredible, unbelievable ---- yet it happened. Nothing's changed except that for some reason I am unable to understand, members of her defense team have joined forces with her in this huge deception.

[ConchGirl]

May I ask a question. IF this has been adressed I missed it.


Having read the autopsy report twice I did not read where they found any socks or shoes with the remains. Did I miss it? If not where was Caylees shoes and socks? uummm TIA!


Also, on NG last night, while I was going through channels, I caught her producer having a pity party for the Ants. Her tune has changed imoo. Wonder why.

No shoes or socks tells me that she was killed at home. Cindy must have known that none of her shoes were missing. jmo

[Sun]

I know I am not the first person to make this observation, but Casey is one tough nut to crack ---- in fact, she may be an impossible nut to crack and she may take the details of what really happened to Caylee to her own grave ---- but I have to wonder if ANYONE, anyone at all, has heard the truth from Casey's lips. Baez? Cindy? George? Lee?

There have been a few times that I've had the feeling that Baez has gotten blindsided by the lies that Casey must have told him. Either that, or he's even more stupid that I already think him to be.

[SandyO]

There have been a few times that I've had the feeling that Baez has gotten blindsided by the lies that Casey must have told him. Either that, or he's even more stupid that I already think him to be.

I totally agree that Baez is overwhelmed by this whole thing, but with all the help he's got now he shouldn't still be making stupid mistakes for God's sake.

[Jester]

The "several layers of duct tape" really bother me. This was not the action of someone angry, but the action of someone in full blinding rage...imo.

I have often thought the alleged argument between Casey and Cindy on June 15 was over Casey ripping off Great-grandma Shirley. The rip-off was back in the spring. IIRC, Shirley said in one of her interviews Casey called and apologized and Shirley told her to not come around anymore. Shirley may have mentioned it to Cindy, but I don't see Cindy bringing it up again to Casey on Father's Day.

I think the argument may have had more to do with Casey's late nights out, partying and using Cindy night after night as a free babysitter. Cindy called her on the Anything but Clothes party after Cindy saw the pics on Casey's myspace/facebook pages. Casey had told Cindy she was working.

I wonder if it had anything to do with the Puerto Rico trip. Amy told Casey in a text message on 5/30, JP and Ric had their tickets, Amy had called her dad and would have her's soon. Casey responded to the text with "I'll get mine this weekend".

IMO, Casey was really looking forward to the PR trip and she was running out of time. Did she ask Cindy to buy her a ticket? Did she tell Cindy she was going to PR for "work" or a much needed vacation and Cindy would have to keep Casey? Did Cindy refuse?

Whatever the argument was about, IMO, it was because Cindy told Casey "NO" and that is not a word Casey was used to hearing from her parents.

jmo

I don't understand why Cindy complained about looking after a child that should have been in bed asleep from 7 PM until 7 AM. Why couldn't Casey go out and enjoy evenings with friends while her parents were at home and Cayley was in bed asleep? Why did Cindy want Casey to be home? That makes no sense to me.

The vacation is an interesting issue. I too have wondered if Casey asked for money for the trip and asked Cindy to watch Cayley ... and maybe Cindy's response was that she would take time off in the beginning of June so they could vacation together. Seems to me that Cindy mentioned taking time off to spend with Cayley and Casey, but added that she didn't really see them during that time. Maybe Cindy's response was that Casey could have a vacation with her, when she decided.

[apothecary]

Of all the posts I have read in the past year, THIS is the one I agree with the most! That Universal scene was nothing less than incredible, unbelievable ---- yet it happened. Nothing's changed except that for some reason I am unable to understand, members of her defense team have joined forces with her in this huge deception.
I also do not understand why these lawyers are tripping over themselves to defend this obvious deception(using your word).Do they live in a storyland or some tvland where anything is acceptable and the truth is misconstrued and twisted to justify this cold blooded murder.In my mind the whole defence team is living in lala land and playing their roles in this made for tv drama.I guess an ordinary court case just does not satisfy their egos and they need some manufactured drama to show off their superiour lawyering skills to the adoring crouds that will be spellbound by their brilliance.Never mind that an adorable baby was snuffed in the process and many others innocent people dragged into this cesspool.This little twit has everyone wrapped around her finger and knows it.

[court~critic1®]

No shoes or socks tells me that she was killed at home. Cindy must have known that none of her shoes were missing. jmo



Thank you for your reply.. So you didn't read where socks or shoes were found either. Whew, thought I was losing it there. Did Caylee wear socks?

Just something I have wondered about. Dumb, I know. :blushing:

[sammy62]

I agree Casey never did have a normal bond with Caylee. The A's have made a point of mentioning that Cindy was the first person to hold Caylee at birth and that has always affected Cindy & Casey's relationship..I think that is an excuse. I think most Mom's bond with their child while they are pregnant. Casey was too busy pretending and denying even being pregnant for so long she never felt a connection:crying:

I'm way behind this morning. But I have always been disturbed by the way the A's (especially George) kept bringing up this point. When my babies popped out "finally"....I have no idea who held them first. It would never have been any issue if they would have shut up...(gasp). :ohmy:

[apothecary]

I am so angry I noticed a few typing errors.Sorry:blushing:

[court~critic1®]

I totally agree that Baez is overwhelmed by this whole thing, but with all the help he's got now he shouldn't still be making stupid mistakes for God's sake.



He just isn't taking their advice. After all, he knows his "girl" and what she wants. LOL

[sammy62]

I have watched a lot of Dr. Phil shows, and he plays video's of people verbally fighting in their houses and the little ones are screaming because they are so upset. You can imagine that with Cindy and Casey fighting (both pro's at it) that Caylee may have been screaming too. Her little world of two people she loved fighting must have been very upsetting to her. I can just imagine Casey grabbing Caylee and putting her in the car...and Caylee wouldn't calm down.....we know what happened then. :cursing:

[Pruddennce]

No, I think Cindy was telling BC to refute the media's attorney's questions about their media appearances. She wanted BC to explain those appearances have nothing to do with Casey's trial, but they're spreading the news about their foundation. But it didn't work with the judge.

they knew for months the autopsy report was most assuredly going to be released to the public via the Sunshine Law. BC had plenty of time to discuss with his clients what he would present at the time.

it was ignorant and rude of Cindy to thrust her butt up in the air leaning over to him and start whispering to Conway while someone else was speaking at the podium, most likely telling HIM what he should address.

he is flat out incompetent. this trial is going to be quite a ride with the anthonys sitting in the courtroom. her arrogance IMO will be another nail in Casey's coffin, coupled with the family lies and the endless supply of direct and/or CE evidence.....and of course the defendant's mindset and movements, complete with witnesses to attest to her behaviour.


IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[koawally]

The way I read it and heard it, adipocere develops WITHIN a month, not that it develops after a month ---- and so that leaves a wide open door there.

I can only imagine the door closes somewhat with the garbage bags and the moisture from day time heat...and if Caylee was put somewhere in the back yard...the night(s) she was there may be cool enough to start the process of adipocere.

I'm wondering if Casey lost it and hit Caylee? Not breaking any bones as we know none were broken... but hitting that lil Angel hard enough to cause abrasions and expose the body material to jump start the process of adipocere.

[sammy62]

No shoes or socks tells me that she was killed at home. Cindy must have known that none of her shoes were missing. jmo

I would think if you grab a kid and leave...she probably never had shoes on. Even in Minnesota, I had trouble keeping shoes on my kids. So I don't think that is proof she killed her at home.

[Lapis]

I don't understand why Cindy complained about looking after a child that should have been in bed asleep from 7 PM until 7 AM. Why couldn't Casey go out and enjoy evenings with friends while her parents were at home and Cayley was in bed asleep? Why did Cindy want Casey to be home? That makes no sense to me.

The vacation is an interesting issue. I too have wondered if Casey asked for money for the trip and asked Cindy to watch Cayley ... and maybe Cindy's response was that she would take time off in the beginning of June so they could vacation together. Seems to me that Cindy mentioned taking time off to spend with Cayley and Casey, but added that she didn't really see them during that time. Maybe Cindy's response was that Casey could have a vacation with her, when she decided.

When my parents offer to take me on vacation my response is always tell me where and when I will be there. My response is not "No give me the money so I can go where I want to without you." JMO

[denjet]

I was trying to figure out exactly what cindy said to conway during the hearing yesterday. When it came time for his rebuttal he mentioned the report having a bearing on the potential jury pool, which prompted an objection by the prosecutor, Linda Burdick Drane. Was this what cindy wanted him to bring up? What are your thoughts?
Hi Scampi!
I was too .. I was thinking she was saying something to rebut the questions that George was asked about being on national TV and that Cindy wanted it brought up that it was not about the case but about their foundation.. I could be wrong ... In any case, she had to stick her two cents in.

I also was totally repulsed by the fact that George, "fragile" George was asked to speak and the thinking behind that choice that HE would be the better choice to try to extract sympathy ... the fact that he "attempted suicide", etc. Holding the picture of Caylee ... making it all about Caylee when it was ALL about them and their murderous daughter. :thumbdown:

[Scampi]

Did anyone see Greta last night? She had on the Bidens on promotiong their book Skelton Justice. Talk about CA.

http://www.foxnews.com/search-results/m/23131550/skeleton-justice.htm


They both make me sick. Linden states she likes Casey, shes says shes a young girl I feel protective towards her. Look at the case in Italy, shes young to and look whatthey are doing to her. We didnt fight autopsy to be sealed. OMG....:thumbdown:

Dr Michael Baden says the autopsy came back on the first page with homicide undetermined which after all these months and with death penalty on the line with homicide undertermined is ukind of unusual they found no drugs or poison was interesting.

Whew! For a brief second I thought ole Joe was tripping the talk circuit with some crazy new book........... :laugh:

It's the "Badens".......lol.

[happygert]

I also do not understand why these lawyers are tripping over themselves to defend this obvious deception(using your word).Do they live in a storyland or some tvland where anything is acceptable and the truth is misconstrued and twisted to justify this cold blooded murder.In my mind the whole defence team is living in lala land and playing their roles in this made for tv drama.I guess an ordinary court case just does not satisfy their egos and they need some manufactured drama to show off their superiour lawyering skills to the adoring crouds that will be spellbound by their brilliance.Never mind that an adorable baby was snuffed in the process and many others innocent people dragged into this cesspool.This little twit has everyone wrapped around her finger and knows it.

apothecary, she may have her family and her attorney's wrapped but, the public, who will be determine her fate are not.. IMO the more the twits family talks the deeper she goes.. The more attorneys she gets ,the more the tax payers are going to be furious when they figure out once this trial starts they will be footing the bill..

[Sun]

No shoes or socks tells me that she was killed at home. Cindy must have known that none of her shoes were missing. jmo

She was dressed in short and a t-shirt, no shoes.... some have thought that perhaps Caylee was killed away from the home, at an unclothed baby doll was said to have been in the car. ....I discounted that when I saw on one of the videos taken inside Caylee's room, as there was a stack of unclothed baby dolls there. Perhaps she had ONE favorite one, but I'm not convinced of this yet. However, the absense of shoes may very well indicate that she died at the Anthony home, as the WTP blanket, the black garbage bags, the laudrey bag, and the duct tape likely all came from the Anthony home.

I have no doubt that Cindy knew what items of Caylee's were missing from the home. And, it's quite telling that she withheld this info from LE/FBI.

[ladeebug565]

The Anthony's think they're special. I have no doubts that they thought the Judge would make an exception for them. That their grief was more important than the publics right to know if what the State has been saying is true or not.

The Anthonys are grasping at straws trying to gain sympathy from the public (an the potential jury pool) but for purely unethical reasons. Under normal circumstances, who wouldn't feel sorry for the grandparents of a murdered child, even if their own child was the murderer? I would certainly feel sorry for someone in that situation.

As far as the Anthonys are concerned, the only sympathy they'll get is between s%$# and syphilis in the dictionary! :sneaky:

[denjet]

No, I think Cindy was telling BC to refute the media's attorney's questions about their media appearances. She wanted BC to explain those appearances have nothing to do with Casey's trial, but they're spreading the news about their foundation. But it didn't work with the judge.
oops! Hi seeing!
Just saw your post after I posted ... Ditto! :wink:

[Tornado]

Hello all, hoping everyone is having a good day.

My thoughts on the duct tape and KC's apparent rage towards Caylee leads me to think that Caylee must have said something that she shouldn't have. CA had Caylee on Fathers Day and seeing the personality of CA, I am sure she was grilling Caylee for information. TonE states that KC had been living with him since the 9th- I wonder if Caylee did not tell CA something about TonE and Casey that led to the fight on the 15th and why KC was so enraged with Caylee that she duct taped her mouth and put a sticker on her. Caylee was telling secrets and KC couldn't have all her lies coming out.

[happygert]

I would think if you grab a kid and leave...she probably never had shoes on. Even in Minnesota, I had trouble keeping shoes on my kids. So I don't think that is proof she killed her at home.

No but wouldn't you grab shoes if you were planning on being gone for a day, a week? I know I'd grab shoes even if I was going to be gone with them for a short time.. It's hot out sidewalks are hot and carrying a 2 yr after awhile they get heavy... I agree with conchgirl, I also think she was killed in the house..

[BlueTurtle]

I'm way behind this morning. But I have always been disturbed by the way the A's (especially George) kept bringing up this point. When my babies popped out "finally"....I have no idea who held them first. It would never have been any issue if they would have shut up...(gasp). :ohmy:

I wonder if part of the threat to take Caylee from Casey was to throw Casey out of the house. If Casey was unable to 'bond' with Caylee due to her sociopathic personality, it didn't matter who held Caylee first. Casey is good at acting like what she perceives to be normal behavior from what she has observed, but never internalized the appropriate feelings that go with the behavior.

There are a number of unquestioned beliefs in our society that end out being hurtful. This is one. If you don't have the perfect expereince in whatever belief is being proported, your life is ruined. There are many women who had the expereince of being the first to hold their child who never bonded with the child.

[Pruddennce]

Did anyone see Greta last night? She had on the Bidens on promotiong their book Skelton Justice. Talk about CA.

http://www.foxnews.com/search-results/m/23131550/skeleton-justice.htm


They both make me sick. Linden states she likes Casey, shes says shes a young girl I feel protective towards her. Look at the case in Italy, shes young to and look whatthey are doing to her. We didnt fight autopsy to be sealed. OMG....:thumbdown:

Dr Michael Baden says the autopsy came back on the first page with homicide undetermined which after all these months and with death penalty on the line with homicide undertermined is ukind of unusual they found no drugs or poison was interesting.

he is lame. enter the Spector trial whereas Baden has a mobile Lana C able to cough up blood AND breath with a severed spine. how unusual? lol and he had months to prepare his 'expert findings', but it was done at the last minute and was, IIRC, it was not even an entire page worth of opinion..... :confused:

a toddler in a triple encased tomb, laid to rot in the woods, didnt get there by accident, and the defendant has not claimed the cause of death was accidental and panic caused her to dispose of her.

therefore, a toddler who is unable to make choices about their lifestyle, who is helpless and depends on others for their well-being, without a confession, her death is considered murder. the duct tape was a deliberate act, whether it contributed to her death or placed there moments later, doesnt matter. it was a nefarious tool which infers intent.

Baden is not credible. fits right in.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[denjet]

this bonding experience is great if you can have it, but not being able to do so does not ruin you love for the child. i had a premature baby, 2 1/2 pounds, he was taken out of the room immediately. i saw him thru the window for the first time two days later. he was in the hospital for allmost 2 months. it was an hour away and i had another boy, 3 years old. we called the hospital every morning to hear what he had gained, went there every saturday morning to see him thru the window. i talked to his brother about the baby boy who was coming home, showed him the bed ready for him. when he finally came home it was a great day for us all and after all these years there never was any difference in our love for the two boys. if you really want, and want to love, the baby, the ideal way is great, but it does not mean that if things are not ideal, the love and bond is not there.
Hi texski!
Everytime I hear about KC needing to "bond" with Caylee, I think, good, this just shows one more example of disassociation and one more example of motive. For a mom who had the luxury of spending so much time with Caylee, I don't understand what the problem was ... her lame excuse about Cindy getting to hold Caylee first really irks me. Nursing staff almost always get to hold the baby first.

KC let Cindy feed, clothe, take care of, put a roof over her head (which she still was doing for KC too) but then was jealous of the attention Caylee got and the money Cindy spent on her?? Please!

[court~critic1®]

Did anyone see Greta last night? She had on the Bidens on promotiong their book Skelton Justice. Talk about CA.

http://www.foxnews.com/search-results/m/23131550/skeleton-justice.htm


They both make me sick. Linden states she likes Casey, shes says shes a young girl I feel protective towards her. Look at the case in Italy, shes young to and look whatthey are doing to her. We didnt fight autopsy to be sealed. OMG....:thumbdown:

Dr Michael Baden says the autopsy came back on the first page with homicide undetermined which after all these months and with death penalty on the line with homicide undertermined is ukind of unusual they found no drugs or poison was interesting.


Do not watch g. As for so called dr.baden, if he is such the expert on qutopsies he knows that you can NOT tell just from bones if drugs of any kind were used. IMOHOO he always blows smoke out his anus. HE should also know the state does not have to prove COD. What a jack anus. He and his "wife".

[neid_77]

if i could get a few responses to these questions!:smile:

how does biazzz and all his merry all knowing attorney's going to explain the blockbuster tape? she really looks like she is upset and worried that her child was just "KIDNAPPED" how do you explain it? more importantly i do not believe the insane defense will work...the 1 time she did but she admitted she lied if you are insane how do you know this difference?!?!?!??!?

also from the orlando sentinel about Kobolinsky..that man is ruining whatever good reputation he had...

one other question how does a thief who steals from her family her baby, her grandma and grandpa's hospice account who is dying by the way..amass the best defense team that has ever been assembled and known to man!?!?!?!!?:cursing:


and why did Brad Conway lie about the duct tape? he sure doesn't want future clients does he?

Caylee Marie:wub:

[5boxersmom]

Was the grave wax on the paper towels mentioned on NG or any of the other shows last night? I think this is big news because it puts Casey in contact with the body.

imo

[neid_77]

great my posts at the bottom whose gonna read it

[ish]

Caylee not wearing shoes i don't find odd. It appears the anthony's have either a white or very light color carpet in their home. I'm guessing the family, and I find this true in a lot of homes, don't wear shoes inside to avoid getting the carpet dirty. Annie Downing has stated that the family cleaned 24/7, they were clean freaks. So she probably didn't wear shoes in the house. the pink lettering was mentioned way back in one of the doc dumps. they actually have all the lettering it spells out "Big Trouble Comes in Small Packages' and I believe there was a photo of Caylee released with her wearing that shirt.

[shelkobe]

And my son is adopted....We didn't "meet" him until he was 3 days old. It was instant love and instant bonding.

IMO all that stuff is hogwash.
I think this "bonding" issue is just another psychological game between Casey and Cindy. I think Cindy was the boss at home and Casey saw the baby as something that was hers and hers alone, something that she was in charge of, so to have Cindy hold her first was like being one-upped.

FWIW I know a lot of woman who did not hold their baby right away, or even the first day, and I think they were all C-Sect.

[denjet]

I have watched a lot of Dr. Phil shows, and he plays video's of people verbally fighting in their houses and the little ones are screaming because they are so upset. You can imagine that with Cindy and Casey fighting (both pro's at it) that Caylee may have been screaming too. Her little world of two people she loved fighting must have been very upsetting to her. I can just imagine Casey grabbing Caylee and putting her in the car...and Caylee wouldn't calm down.....we know what happened then. :cursing:
ITA sammy, I'm sure after spending the day with Cindy, and the attention she got, and being back in the comfort of her home after being dragged around by KC mad poor little Caylee very upset ... I picture her crying to stay with Cindy and George as KC snatched her up and left.

I have a feeling too, that Cindy questioned Caylee quite a bit about the previous week, where she was, who they were with etc. which probably was thrown into the fight also .... Caylee was KC's pawn and her only chance of extracting money from the Ants, but that wasn't working anymore ...

[happygert]

Was the grave wax on the paper towels mentioned on NG or any of the other shows last night? I think this is big news because it puts Casey in contact with the body.

imo

Yes grave wax was found on the paper towels..Along with maggots IIRC
Happy belated Birthday..

[Tornado]

Caylee not wearing shoes i don't find odd. It appears the anthony's have either a white or very light color carpet in their home. I'm guessing the family, and I find this true in a lot of homes, don't wear shoes inside to avoid getting the carpet dirty. Annie Downing has stated that the family cleaned 24/7, they were clean freaks. So she probably didn't wear shoes in the house. the pink lettering was mentioned way back in one of the doc dumps. they actually have all the lettering it spells out "Big Trouble Comes in Small Packages' and I believe there was a photo of Caylee released with her wearing that shirt.

If they left on that Monday the way that GA says they did, then Caylee not having shoes would be strange.

If they left on the night of the 15th in a hurry then I would not find it odd.

Just depends. For all we know, both scenarios are not the truth. :confused:

[sammy62]

No but wouldn't you grab shoes if you were planning on being gone for a day, a week? I know I'd grab shoes even if I was going to be gone with them for a short time.. It's hot out sidewalks are hot and carrying a 2 yr after awhile they get heavy... I agree with conchgirl, I also think she was killed in the house..

I have to believe she was killed in anger (Its unfathomable otherwise)

But I also believe that noone knew she was killed until after July 15, so hard to have it happen at home.

If Casey was as angry as we have seen her in the jailhouse tapes, I think she grabbed Caylee and left. Shoes were the last thing on her mind.

Just for the record....I'm usually wrong. :huh:

[happygert]

Caylee not wearing shoes i don't find odd. It appears the anthony's have either a white or very light color carpet in their home. I'm guessing the family, and I find this true in a lot of homes, don't wear shoes inside to avoid getting the carpet dirty. Annie Downing has stated that the family cleaned 24/7, they were clean freaks. So she probably didn't wear shoes in the house. the pink lettering was mentioned way back in one of the doc dumps. they actually have all the lettering it spells out "Big Trouble Comes in Small Packages' and I believe there was a photo of Caylee released with her wearing that shirt.

ish i dont find Caylee not wearing shoes in the house odd. What I do find odd is no shoes were found with Caylee's body or in the car. Therefore I believe Caylee was murdered in the house..

[sammy62]

Yes grave wax was found on the paper towels..Along with maggots IIRC
Happy belated Birthday..

what is grave wax? Or don't I want to know?

[denjet]

Hello all, hoping everyone is having a good day.

My thoughts on the duct tape and KC's apparent rage towards Caylee leads me to think that Caylee must have said something that she shouldn't have. CA had Caylee on Fathers Day and seeing the personality of CA, I am sure she was grilling Caylee for information. TonE states that KC had been living with him since the 9th- I wonder if Caylee did not tell CA something about TonE and Casey that led to the fight on the 15th and why KC was so enraged with Caylee that she duct taped her mouth and put a sticker on her. Caylee was telling secrets and KC couldn't have all her lies coming out.
I seem to be slow on my posts today, Tornado!
That's my take exactly! :wink:

[happygert]

I have to believe she was killed in anger (Its unfathomable otherwise)

But I also believe that noone knew she was killed until after July 15, so hard to have it happen at home.

If Casey was as angry as we have seen her in the jailhouse tapes, I think she grabbed Caylee and left. Shoes were the last thing on her mind.

Just for the record....I'm usually wrong. :huh:

Yes no doubt she was angry probably more angry then she was in the jailhouse tape.. I doubt this was the first time Caylee seen her mom's temper.

[rbrnmw]

I can easily see Casey's increase in partying, late nights, and staying out all night being topics of many fights between Cindy and Casey. You make a good point about the PR trip, and there is probably more there that we just don't know about. I don't know if Casey's new desire for Tony affected her decision to go to PR, or not. Casey did seem to prefer him over Ricardo, I think. (imo, Tony was just toying with Casey and using her for easy sex).

It did seem that the normal routine was for Caylee to sleep with Casey every night. If Casey wanted to stay out at night, perhaps Cindy found it a chore to manage Caylee on those nights.

one thing for sure we will never know Cindy wont ever tell the whole truth about what a nightmare Casey was to live with. It looks like just reading the myspace that there was plenty of troubles in that home between CA and KC, long before father's day. But CA is embarassed by all of it so she gets on tv and looks like a damn fool making excuses for her abuser KC. It is a lot like battered womens syndrome,

[Explorer]

Hello all, hoping everyone is having a good day.

My thoughts on the duct tape and KC's apparent rage towards Caylee leads me to think that Caylee must have said something that she shouldn't have. CA had Caylee on Fathers Day and seeing the personality of CA, I am sure she was grilling Caylee for information. TonE states that KC had been living with him since the 9th- I wonder if Caylee did not tell CA something about TonE and Casey that led to the fight on the 15th and why KC was so enraged with Caylee that she duct taped her mouth and put a sticker on her. Caylee was telling secrets and KC couldn't have all her lies coming out.

thats entirely possible.

[5boxersmom]

Yes grave wax was found on the paper towels..Along with maggots IIRC
Happy belated Birthday..

Was it discussed on NG? If it was I missed it. Will we ever get to see the maggot evidence?

Thank you. :biggrin:

[apothecary]

great my posts at the bottom whose gonna read it
I did and I AGREE 100%.Is that you that I read on another forum?Your passion is deep felt and I always enjoy your posts.In fact I enjoy everyone,s company except the drinks.

[Explorer]

I think G&C know exactly what the symbolism is with the heart sticker.

[5boxersmom]

what is grave wax? Or don't I want to know?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adipocere

[Tillywoo]

http://www.deathonline.net/decomposition/body_changes/grave_wax.htm

[happygert]

what is grave wax? Or don't I want to know?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adipocere

Adipocere or grave wax or mortuary wax is a water-insoluble material consisting mostly of saturated fatty acids. It is formed by the slow hydrolysis of fats in decomposing material such as a human cadaver by action of anaerobic bacteria. The transformation of fats into adipocere occurs best in the absence of oxygen in cold and humid environment, such as in wet ground or mud at the bottom of a lake or a sealed cask, and it can occur with both embalmed and untreated bodies. Corpses of infants and overweight persons are particularly prone to adipocere transformation. Adipocere formation begins within a month of death, and in the absence of air it can persist for centuries.[1] An exposed, infested body or a body in a warm environment is unlikely to form deposits of adipocere.

It is generally believed to have first been discovered by the Frenchman Fourcroy

Grave wax, or adipocere, is a crumbly white, waxy substance that accumulates on those parts of the body that contain fat - the cheeks, breasts, abdomen and buttocks. It is the product of a chemical reaction in which fats react with water and hydrogen in the presence of bacterial enzymes, breaking down into fatty acids and soaps. Adipocere is resistant to bacteria and can protect a corpse, slowing further decomposition. Adipocere starts to form within a month after death and has been recorded on bodies that have been exhumed after 100 years. If a body is readily accessible to insects, adipocere is unlikely to form.

[Tornado]

I seem to be slow on my posts today, Tornado!
That's my take exactly! :wink:

No rpoblem, being slow is my forte. :thumbsup:

Just seems to me the psychological perspective is that Caylee said something wrong that put Casey over the edge. I do think that is what the argument was about not about the stolen money.

I also think that they did not leave that night but did leave the next day. (Not fully buying GA's story but some of it yes.) Reason being CA had Caylee on the 15th to IIRC about dinner time. The outfit that she was found in was not the outfit from the Father Day video. I would think that unless Caylee got something on her during the visit that if they (Casey or CA) had changed Caylees clothes then they would have put her pj's on and not another clean day outfit. Correct me if my timing of Fathers Day is off but at 6 or 7 at night, pj's would have been my choice of attire for a 3 year old.

[denjet]

if i could get a few responses to these questions!

how does biazzz and all his merry all knowing attorney's going to explain the blockbuster tape? she really looks like she is upset and worried that her child was just "KIDNAPPED" how do you explain it? more importantly i do not believe the insane defense will work...the 1 time she did but she admitted she lied if you are insane how do you know this difference?!?!?!??!?

also from the orlando sentinel about Kobolinsky..that man is ruining whatever good reputation he had...

one other question how does a thief who steals from her family her baby, her grandma and grandpa's hospice account who is dying by the way..amass the best defense team that has ever been assembled and known to man!?!?!?!!?:cursing:


and why did Brad Conway lie about the duct tape? he sure doesn't want future clients does he?

Caylee Marie:wub:
Hi neid!:seeya:
There simply is no logical explanation for her behavior the day Caylee was "kidnapped" and if I were on the jury and had to hear about
"ugly coping", I would be insulted!!

The forensics and her actions during those 31 days will seal KC's fate ... should be interesting to see what Lyon comes up with to gain sympathy from the jury after they have sat thru the whole trial and heard all the evidence. I can't think of anything that could be said at that point to make me feel sympathy for the OD!

How does any notorious murderer amass such a team ... fame, exposure, the challenge of it, grandstanding ... not really sure what, but it sure isn't because they believe in their client's innocence ... JMO

[jakee]

Was the grave wax on the paper towels mentioned on NG or any of the other shows last night? I think this is big news because it puts Casey in contact with the body.

imo

I thought it was important news also, but none of the TH's yesterday afternoon mentioned it, I did not watch NG last night so I don't know if it was mentioned on her program. :confused:

[denjet]

I have a couple questions after reading all of the reports I didn't see anything about a comparison between the trash bags at the crime scene and the bag Cindy gave to OSCO back in July with the containing the things she removed from the car ... there was a comparison between the ones at the Ants in December when Caylee was found but I didn't see the other comparison ... anyone?

The other is the entomology report on the maggots from the trunk? Is that still missing??

TIA

[sammy62]

one thing for sure we will never know Cindy wont ever tell the whole truth about what a nightmare Casey was to live with. It looks like just reading the myspace that there was plenty of troubles in that home between CA and KC, long before father's day. But CA is embarassed by all of it so she gets on tv and looks like a damn fool making excuses for her abuser KC. It is a lot like battered womens syndrome,

I guess I don't totally agree. Cindy was the first abuser. Rewatch the depo's. She has to have the last word. She was so angry yesterday that she couldn't stand up and speak. I bet she was furious that George didn't get it accomplished. She is a controller with a temper. Not a good combo.

[Ladyhawk]

I agree Casey never did have a normal bond with Caylee. The A's have made a point of mentioning that Cindy was the first person to hold Caylee at birth and that has always affected Cindy & Casey's relationship..I think that is an excuse. I think most Mom's bond with their child while they are pregnant. Casey was too busy pretending and denying even being pregnant for so long she never felt a connection:crying:


I too think this "bonding" issue is an excuse thought up by Cindy justify a lot of Casey's behavior but I also believe that Cindy used the "I held her first" as a means to get under Casey's skin. I think when George said that Casey was real jealous of Cindy holding her first, that he is not telling the whole story, like..why didn't Casey hold her first, was she medically unable or did she choose not to or did mother step in and grab the baby and say "see here Casey, this is the way you should hold a baby, not the way you're trying to."

I think the relationship with Cindy, Casey and Caylee, will be a big part of the defense and I don't think it's going to be very complimentary to either of those two women.

[happygert]

Was it discussed on NG? If it was I missed it. Will we ever get to see the maggot evidence?

Thank you. :biggrin:

Yes we will see the maggot evidence IMO they are saving those records for last.. Can't remember if it was on NG or not.. I watch so many different programs.. But it was in one of the reports that was released.. dang cant remember which one but I think it had all the test from the body farm too..

[ish]

ish i dont find Caylee not wearing shoes in the house odd. What I do find odd is no shoes were found with Caylee's body or in the car. Therefore I believe Caylee was murdered in the house..

well we can't forget zanny had "everything" Caylee needed, so I'm sure Casey/Cindy will just say zanny had the shoes and after she dumped Caylee she kept them so she could use them with the next child she nannied.:rolleyes:

But seriously, i'd say when Casey took Caylee from the house that last day/night whether she was alive or dead, casey didn't bother with shoes cause she knew caylee wouldn't need them. Ever.

[happygert]

I have a couple questions after reading all of the reports I didn't see anything about a comparison between the trash bags at the crime scene and the bag Cindy gave to OSCO back in July with the containing the things she removed from the car ... there was a comparison between the ones at the Ants in December when Caylee was found but I didn't see the other comparison ... anyone?

The other is the entomology report on the maggots from the trunk? Is that still missing??

TIA

Dont think the maggot evidence has been released yet..

[Eagleeye]

morning all

Des...I have a transcript of George on 7/15

http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_transcript_GeorgeStatement071508.ht m

George says here that he hasn't seen or heard Caylee's voice since the 9th of June. Then he tells Greta VS that he saw Casey and Caylee leaving around 1:00PM on the 16th of June.

Which lie are you going to tell in Court George? Was it the 9th or the 16th? You need a better coach than Cindy George, she is going to throw you under the bus too.

[wondering?]

It seems that unless we have the training that Dr. Michael Baden has had that we really do not know what we are talking about when we criticize his findings.
He has solved many, many death cases which has led to criminals being arrested.

He has had several "Autopsy" shows on HBO that clearly show how intelligent he is.

The Caylee Anthony case is a strange one in many ways. I think that there is so much evidence that we don't know yet that will link Casey to her death.

If Casey were to plead guilty, would that mean no trial and she takes the sentence that is handed down by the judge? Not that she is going to do that but it would save her having more dirt put out for us out here in Internet land.

Reading the Autopsy report last night made it all the more sad that her life/death meant so little to her killer, to throw her away like just so much garbage. All her little bones scattered about and Grandpa objects to her body being referred to as "remains".
That surely is what remained of her beautiful little body, nothing but "remains' disturbed by animal activity.
If he objects that term, what ever is he going to do when he hears all the other findings!!!

So Sad!

[denjet]

No rpoblem, being slow is my forte. :thumbsup:

Just seems to me the psychological perspective is that Caylee said something wrong that put Casey over the edge. I do think that is what the argument was about not about the stolen money.

I also think that they did not leave that night but did leave the next day. (Not fully buying GA's story but some of it yes.) Reason being CA had Caylee on the 15th to IIRC about dinner time. The outfit that she was found in was not the outfit from the Father Day video. I would think that unless Caylee got something on her during the visit that if they (Casey or CA) had changed Caylees clothes then they would have put her pj's on and not another clean day outfit. Correct me if my timing of Fathers Day is off but at 6 or 7 at night, pj's would have been my choice of attire for a 3 year old.
I was thinking that Caylee had the same shorts on but her shirt was changed, maybe after eating? I thought the same shorts were found but a different shirt? and why would she have the same shorts on the next day? Also, George saying about the jean skirt which she was not found to be wearing when she was killed ... who knows ... these are some of the little details we may never know the answer to!

[denjet]

Dont think the maggot evidence has been released yet..
Thanks happy! I'm sure Pru will be right on top of it when it does! :biggrin:

[happygert]

well we can't forget zanny had "everything" Caylee needed, so I'm sure Casey/Cindy will just say zanny had the shoes and after she dumped Caylee she kept them so she could use them with the next child she nannied.:rolleyes:

But seriously, i'd say when Casey took Caylee from the house that last day/night whether she was alive or dead, casey didn't bother with shoes cause she knew caylee wouldn't need them. Ever.


yes forgot about that.....yes you're probably right she would never need them

[BlueTurtle]

ITA (As Usual) ... Hes a stupid JERK. If I see him again Im going to turn the channel. He said interesting that there was no cause of death...Well HOW ABOUT DUCT TAPE AROUND and around HER MOUTH over and over again. Im burning mad..... I cant with these people...

A child is dead. Her mother was the last one to be seen with her and didn't report anything as to her true whereabouts or physical welfare for over a month is enough to know something wrong happened. It does not matter whether it was accidental or not, Casey was responsible as her mother to ensure her well being. Caylee could have died as the result of heat exhaustion in her car seat while Casey talked away on her cell phone. She might have had duct tape on her mouth to keep her quiet and if Caylee was struggling she could have overheated. No matter, Casey is responsible for the death of her child. I don't think lack of COD will sway the jury.

[5boxersmom]

I thought it was important news also, but none of the TH's yesterday afternoon mentioned it, I did not watch NG last night so I don't know if it was mentioned on her program. :confused:

I know. I watched NG but I didn't hear it mentioned.

:shrug:

jmo

[happygert]

Thanks happy! I'm sure Pru will be right on top of it when it does! :biggrin:

LOL.. Have no doubt when that comes out it's just another step toward the ole gurney for the murderer..

[Imperfect4]

I absolutely agree with Dr. Glass. The OC put those multiple layers of duct tape over Caylee's mouth and nose to silence her forever.

cindy and george attempted to continue that silencing yesterday with their motion to seal the autopsy report.

Thank God for the Sunshine Laws of Florida and Judge Strickland's decision to release the report.

Yesterday little Caylee finally got a chance to speak to us. The story that she will tell us in that courtroom is going to seal casey anthony's fate, imo.

ITA with every word of your post, Scampi.

A year later, I still can't even begin to temper my complete disgust with this despicable family.

Look at any picture of that beautiful, loving, vulnerable and completely defenseless child ... a 2 year-old baby who has the sensitivity and compassion to ask her ggp, "You tired, poppa?"

And now envision the Anthonys. One of them is accused of her murder, and the rest of her immediate family did nothing to protect her from her monster mother.

Since her death, the group of them have done everything possible to obstruct the investigation, delay justice, and find ways to profit from the fact she is no longer with us.

Even as the time for her voice to be heard draws closer, they continue to try to silence her.

It's too damn bad this level of immorality isn't illegal. They should all be behind bars, imo.

[ish]

can someone explain to me George's statement to the judge, that releasing the autopsy report will tarnish Caylee's memory? She is the victim here, how can she be tarnished?

I suspect that G&C don't want the dirty details of the autopsy released to keep the public from becoming more pizzed at their daughter.

George's tears dried pretty darn fast when the attorney for the media questioned him.

[Sun]

I too think this "bonding" issue is an excuse thought up by Cindy justify a lot of Casey's behavior but I also believe that Cindy used the "I held her first" as a means to get under Casey's skin. I think when George said that Casey was real jealous of Cindy holding her first, that he is not telling the whole story, like..why didn't Casey hold her first, was she medically unable or did she choose not to or did mother step in and grab the baby and say "see here Casey, this is the way you should hold a baby, not the way you're trying to."

I think the relationship with Cindy, Casey and Caylee, will be a big part of the defense and I don't think it's going to be very complimentary to either of those two women.

Yes, perhaps in the Death Penalty phase. However, I don't think that the defense can argue that successfully to win a not-guilty verdict. For instance, just because you have a really, really bad mom or upbringing, doesn't make you innocent of killing your own child.

[happygert]

A child is dead. Her mother was the last one to be seen with her and didn't report anything as to her true whereabouts or physical welfare for over a month is enough to know something wrong happened. It does not matter whether it was accidental or not, Casey was responsible as her mother to ensure her well being. Caylee could have died as the result of heat exhaustion in her car seat while Casey talked away on her cell phone. She might have had duct tape on her mouth to keep her quiet and if Caylee was struggling she could have overheated. No matter, Casey is responsible for the death of her child. I don't think lack of COD will sway the jury.

No it wont.. Look at Lacy Peterson no COD and ole scotty the goldenboy is on death row... IMO they have much more on casey then they did scotty boy...

[Explorer]

The ironic thing is that probably Caylee would have grown to be the only sane person in that family.

[Ladyhawk]

I can easily see Casey's increase in partying, late nights, and staying out all night being topics of many fights between Cindy and Casey. You make a good point about the PR trip, and there is probably more there that we just don't know about. I don't know if Casey's new desire for Tony affected her decision to go to PR, or not. Casey did seem to prefer him over Ricardo, I think. (imo, Tony was just toying with Casey and using her for easy sex).

It did seem that the normal routine was for Caylee to sleep with Casey every night. If Casey wanted to stay out at night, perhaps Cindy found it a chore to manage Caylee on those nights.

This sleeping arrangement with Casey and Caylee comes from Cindy. If someone else other than she has commented on this as a fact, I've missed it so I just can't swallow the idea that they slept together every night. I believe it is Cindyspin and nothing more. Cindy wasn't having a good time and if Cindy isn't having a good time, no one will have a good time. She resented her daughter's seemingly carefree life style but not enough to put a stop to it...it was easier and more rewarding to Cindy to complain about it.

[Sun]

can someone explain to me George's statement to the judge, that releasing the autopsy report will tarnish Caylee's memory? She is the victim here, how can she be tarnished?

I suspect that G&C don't want the dirty details of the autopsy released to keep the public from becoming more pizzed at their daughter.

George's tears dried pretty darn fast when the attorney for the media questioned him.

chuckles.... your posted exactly what I've been thinking.

[Imperfect4]

bolding mine....

Hmmm, that could explain Cindy's July 3 myspace post when she wrote "no money, no future". page 34 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3868229/guide-to-casey-anthony-documents-orlando-sentinel

I think the prosecution will bring up this myspace post when they question Cindy at trial.

Cindy has said repeatedly Casey and Caylee were on a bonding trip, but wrote "leaves without warning".

Cindy also told the FBI she provided LE with Zanny's address, but she wrote "Who is now watching out for the little angel?"

jmo

I hope there's reason and opportunity for G, C & Middle Finger to be nailed to the witness stand during trial about all their conflicting statements.

[101Spots]

I think this "bonding" issue is just another psychological game between Casey and Cindy. I think Cindy was the boss at home and Casey saw the baby as something that was hers and hers alone, something that she was in charge of, so to have Cindy hold her first was like being one-upped.

FWIW I know a lot of woman who did not hold their baby right away, or even the first day, and I think they were all C-Sect.

I think this bonding issue is a bunch of moo-poo. It's a buzzword that Cindy picked up, convenient to toss around as if she knew what she was talking about, yet meaning nothing.

[Imperfect4]

G'morning, everyone!!

One thing the State isn't lacking, IMO, is a motive story for the jury to hear. They have many things they can use. I just wonder, as the trial approaches and they sort through everything, which story they will end up using.

It might depend heavily on what Ms. Lyon uses to try to keep her off death row.

[happygert]

can someone explain to me George's statement to the judge, that releasing the autopsy report will tarnish Caylee's memory? She is the victim here, how can she be tarnished?

I suspect that G&C don't want the dirty details of the autopsy released to keep the public from becoming more pizzed at their daughter.

George's tears dried pretty darn fast when the attorney for the media questioned him.

No explaination other then trying to save casey.. he did say that it should be sealed until the trial of his daughter...IMO it was a slip he wanted to say it will tarnish the jury against the murderer his daughter..

My guess is the same about his daughter..

Think they are looking for an award for best performance.. with him and cindy in the running... george=fake tears, fake suicide,etc.. cindy= performance at the memorial,gum chomping, dirty looks, nasty and down right evil..

[Explorer]

I think this bonding issue is a bunch of moo-poo. It's a buzzword that Cindy picked up, convenient to toss around as if she knew what she was talking about, yet meaning nothing.

much like "reaching out"

[Mamie]

This sleeping arrangement with Casey and Caylee comes from Cindy. If someone else other than she has commented on this as a fact, I've missed it so I just can't swallow the idea that they slept together every night. I believe it is Cindyspin and nothing more. Cindy wasn't having a good time and if Cindy isn't having a good time, no one will have a good time. She resented her daughter's seemingly carefree life style but not enough to put a stop to it...it was easier and more rewarding to Cindy to complain about it.

Cindy couldn't put a stop to Casey's carefree lifestyle even if she'd wanted to, because she knew Casey would take Caylee away and she wouldn't see her. You're right in that it was easier to just complain because arguing all the time does tend to take a lot out of a person, physically. JMO

[Mamie]

I hope there's reason and opportunity for G, C & Middle Finger to be nailed to the witness stand during trial about all their conflicting statements.

:thumbsup: middle finger - doncha just love that?:thumbsup:

[sammy62]

I was thinking that Caylee had the same shorts on but her shirt was changed, maybe after eating? I thought the same shorts were found but a different shirt? and why would she have the same shorts on the next day? Also, George saying about the jean skirt which she was not found to be wearing when she was killed ... who knows ... these are some of the little details we may never know the answer to!

another lie ??????? If Cindy and Caylee were in the pool after getting home from Great Grandpa's. And then Cindy said Casey came home and was going to get in the pool too, but Cindy told her it was late and getting cold. Wouldn't you dress Caylee in pj's at that point....not dirty clothes she wore all day?

[Sun]

There is a little detail that I wanted to ask everyone about. From what I have learned, the Master Bedroom is on the left side of the house somewhat next to the garage. The other three bedrooms are on the right side of the home, accessibly by only a hallway. With this in mind, what opportunity would Cindy have had to have been able to hear Casey and Caylee "breathing" through their bedroom door?

I've always meant to ask what others thought of this, but just never have. And, why would Cindy lie about a detail like this?

[101Spots]

It seems that unless we have the training that Dr. Michael Baden has had that we really do not know what we are talking about when we criticize his findings.
He has solved many, many death cases which has led to criminals being arrested.

He has had several "Autopsy" shows on HBO that clearly show how intelligent he is.

The Caylee Anthony case is a strange one in many ways. I think that there is so much evidence that we don't know yet that will link Casey to her death.

If Casey were to plead guilty, would that mean no trial and she takes the sentence that is handed down by the judge? Not that she is going to do that but it would save her having more dirt put out for us out here in Internet land.

Reading the Autopsy report last night made it all the more sad that her life/death meant so little to her killer, to throw her away like just so much garbage. All her little bones scattered about and Grandpa objects to her body being referred to as "remains".
That surely is what remained of her beautiful little body, nothing but "remains' disturbed by animal activity.
If he objects that term, what ever is he going to do when he hears all the other findings!!!

So Sad!

Yes, Dr. Baden is intelligent. He has an education and background that is to be envied.

Paris Hilton has a TV show, too, so I dispute his show as lending credence to his conclusions.

He is also for sale to the highest bidder, and willing to tailor his results according to who is signing his check. He has made several major egregious errors in his testimony (see Spector, Phil) that have affected the results of trials.

I have NO respect for him whatsoever.

[101Spots]

much like "reaching out"

Yea, verily. It's the "in" word du jour, so they toss it around to look cool.

Backfire!

[Imperfect4]

And casey grabbed Caylee and left cindy had no way of knowing how badly Caylee was hurt.

The way Casey left with Caylee might have much to do with all the conflicting dates the A's have given about the last time they saw Caylee, as well as George's highly suspicious and ever-changing story of seeing them on June 16th.

Maybe Casey stormed from the house with a screaming Caylee in plain view of her parents. Or perhaps Casey left the house with a silent Caylee, wrapped in a blanket, also as her parents watched. Either way, that last recollection would be something the A's would want to distance themselves from and not tell the truth about, from what we've seen of them.

If they actually watched Casey leave, either with a crying Caylee or a silent, wrapped Caylee, then my guess is they had grave concern and suspicion about Caylee's welfare long, long before mid-July.

[Explorer]

Yea, verily. It's the "in" word du jour, so they toss it around to look cool.

Backfire!

verily:biggrin:

[Snoopy50]

Hi everyone,
Did many of you have bad dreams last night? I sure did, and today i just feel whipped after reading that report yesterday. It's one thing to surmise, yet another to KNOW. It's no surprise why the Anthony's didn't want that report released, and I say noodles to them on their claim that they had not seen it. :angry:

[Sun]

It might depend heavily on what Ms. Lyon uses to try to keep her off death row.

Yes, it might. But, the defense may have great difficulty in changing Casey's story from the one that she originally told LE. Unless she takes the stand. Can't hardly see Lyon allowing Casey to take the stand, like I could envision Baez putting Casey on the stand. So, this is probably something that they are going to have to work out. LOL

[Imperfect4]

Yes, that is possible. Especially since Baez also made his laughable attempt there at the end of the hearing. Did you notice that Baez just had to get in the very last word at the hearing.... something about one the record, objection, fair trial, jury, venue.

Sure did. It's stunning, isn't it, how unaware he is of how incompetent and just plain ridiculous he comes across? His ego is massive, and for no apparent reason.

[Explorer]

im just curious does any one here have a myspace? Cindys 50plus years old and she has a myspace?

[101Spots]

im just curious does any one here have a myspace? Cindys 50plus years old and she has a myspace?

I wouldn't touch it with a 10-foot keyboard.

[court~critic1®]

Yes, Dr. Baden is intelligent. He has an education and background that is to be envied.

Paris Hilton has a TV show, too, so I dispute his show as lending credence to his conclusions.

He is also for sale to the highest bidder, and willing to tailor his results according to who is signing his check. He has made several major egregious errors in his testimony (see Spector, Phil) that have affected the results of trials.

I have NO respect for him whatsoever.



I concur. He may be book smart but he hasn't got the sense god gave a goose. moo He and Lee, only to name a few, are sold to the highest bidder.

[Snoopy50]

im just curious does any one here have a myspace? Cindys 50plus years old and she has a myspace?
I'm 50 plus, and I have a Facebook, not a Myspace. From what my friends tell me, 50% of them have Facebook pages, 2% have a MySpace.

[Explorer]

I wouldn't touch it with a 10-foot keyboard.

Isnt myspace really for the teen/young adults? What would a 50plus married woman do with a myspace?:confused:

[Imperfect4]

Good morning to all :smile:

I came away with a couple of things yesterday after watching the hearing...I do believe that someone told Cindy not to speak and to allow George a chance at sympathy.
As we have seen/heard before...Cindy tends to want to hear from Casey first, to give her a chance to 'explain' her version. That was the reason she gave her co-workers for not calling the police or going home when the vehicle smelled so badly...and she probably would like (us) to hear what Casey has to say about the autopsy before the public has a chance to read it.
For me there isn't one thing in total that stands out for me in that report, sadly some things were confirmed for me. I do believe she had that baby girl in her vehicle for a while before she 'dumped' it, that the body was not moved after it was thrown there (vegetation growth through the spine)...and of course the layers of tape over her mouth and nose area...there just are not many ways to read that.
We haven't heard from the FBI reports yet and we probably won't before trial, but the pieces that we have been able see/read certainly fill in the picture...there is just sooo much.
Like any other case we have seen with this much CE in it...the only hope this defense has is keeping as much out of the trial as they can...and of course the old SODDI defense..short of that there is only one person that can (and will) be held accountable.
Not unlike the Peterson case...we are going to see a foundation laid by the prosecution, and one by one the puzzle pieces will be laid to form the whole picture.
This baby girl deserves justice....not those whom failed to protect her in life, they have dealt their own hands.

Just my opinion of course....

My bolding ...

And isn't that just astounding? Because every word out of Casey's mouth is a lie. How many chances do most of us give liars before we stop asking for their input? What is the point? Why keep asking a liar to explain herself?

Astounding.

[Sun]

Hi everyone,
Did many of you have bad dreams last night? I sure did, and today i just feel whipped after reading that report yesterday. It's one thing to surmise, yet another to KNOW. It's no surprise why the Anthony's didn't want that report released, and I say noodles to them on their claim that they had not seen it. :angry:

please don't stone me, but I slept very well last night (and that's unusual for me). I think that I had feared even worse than what the autopsy revealed. .....I know for the longest time early on in the investigation, I did have nightmares.

Conway had a copy of that autopsy, and there is no doubt in my mind that the Anthonys knew everything that it said. No doubt!

[Explorer]

My kids tried to get me to make a myspace. Then what? Theres a picture of me with 2 fingers in front of my face? Frank Sinatra music playing in the background? Who would be on my top list?:laugh:

[ConchGirl]

I'm 50 plus, and I have a Facebook, not a Myspace. From what my friends tell me, 50% of them have Facebook pages, 2% have a MySpace.

I'm over 50 and have all of the above plus twitter. It's a great way to keep up with your kids and grandchildren. imo

[101Spots]

My kids tried to get me to make a myspace. Then what? Theres a picture of me with 2 fingers in front of my face? Frank Sinatra music playing in the background? Who would be on my top list?:laugh:

Sorry, but people have to *earn* their way into my life, not stumble across it and snoop.

ETA: Watch out, Explorer. I've read that one of them is now "uncool." Can't remember which one, though, which makes me uncool, I guess.

[Imperfect4]

It's a bit odd too, that in this jail phone call that Casey also mentions the "bond" word.

Lee: Right. What do you think -- uh, where do you think -- you think Caylee's OK right now?

Casey: My gut feeling? As mom asked me yesterday, and even Jose asked me last night, the psychologist asked me this morning that I met with through the court. Um, in my gut, she's still OK, and it still feels like she's, she's close to home.

Lee: OK.

Casey: So, I mean, that's still my, my best feeling at the moment. Again, if that changes, obviously I'm going to reach out and say something immediately, but I know Mom will understand this better than anyone that there's that type of bond that you have with your kids.
Lee: Right.

Casey: And it's, you know, it's unexplainable. Absolutely.

OMG the way this chick talks gets on my very last nerve. She's full to brimming with nothing but chit.

[Explorer]

I just want one so Frank Sinatra can be my background music. I love Frankie:wub:

[Snoopy50]

please don't stone me, but I slept very well last night (and that's unusual for me). I think that I had feared even worse than what the autopsy revealed. .....I know for the longest time early on in the investigation, I did have nightmares.

Conway had a copy of that autopsy, and there is no doubt in my mind that the Anthonys knew everything that it said. No doubt!
No stoning for you. I agree, that report could have been worse but still.....You're right that Puppet Conway had a copy and cindy is too darn nosy not to have insisted on reading it. After all, she is a nurse of decomp.:angry:

[Explorer]

Sorry, but people have to *earn* their way into my life, not stumble across it and snoop.

ETA: Watch out, Explorer. I've read that one of them is not "uncool." Can't remember which one, though, which makes me uncool, I guess.

That would be MY luck.

[Mamie]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adipocere


Thanks for the link, mom because I was curious too. So in this link it says that this (adipocere) occurs within a month of death. So two questions, 1) what paper towels?, 2) this means Casey would have been driving around for maybe a couple of weeks with Caylee's poor little body?

On another note, it does make sense that Casey would probably kill her at home because she is most familiar with those surroundings and the comings and goings of the household. So what if she borrowed the neighbor's shovel and did bury Caylee in the backyard for a time (didn't the dogs hit in an area back there?) and then decided she needed to move her before Caylee was discovered. Now comes the question, how much did the folks know and when did they know it? George is ex LE. Either they knew or he was one dumb cop-----which might explain whey he is no longer. JMO and ramblings.

[Tracian]

No stoning for you. I agree, that report could have been worse but still.....You're right that Puppet Conway had a copy and cindy is too darn nosy not to have insisted on reading it. After all, she is a nurse of decomp.:angry:


I guess that Conway forgot that he said on LKL that the skull had no hair on it...that it was false information given to the media.

Is lying like a disease that the Anthony's spread to all that get caught up with them?

[Sun]

No stoning for you. I agree, that report could have been worse but still.....You're right that Puppet Conway had a copy and cindy is too darn nosy not to have insisted on reading it. After all, she is a nurse of decomp.:angry:

Speaking of Nurse of decomposition

http://www.truveo.com/Cindy-Anthony-speaks-to-reporters-after-bond/id/1031594907

[Daffny]

I was watching NG last night in hopes for the grave wax/paper towel discussion. I was very disappointed to see they didn't mention it. IMO, that's huge. Maybe they're saving it for when Nancy returns from her vacation.


I know alot of people over 50 who have a myspace, facebook, twitter. It's not just a teen thing anymore - many family members use it to keep in touch and stay close. Even though I resent the anthony's for everything they've done, having a myspace - isn't wrong or bizarre.

[Imperfect4]

I don't understand why Cindy complained about looking after a child that should have been in bed asleep from 7 PM until 7 AM. Why couldn't Casey go out and enjoy evenings with friends while her parents were at home and Cayley was in bed asleep? Why did Cindy want Casey to be home? That makes no sense to me.

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My opinion is Cindy had a couple reasons:

She knew dang well not being around in the evenings was just one of many behaviors Casey exhibited which showed she was not interested in parenting Caylee. Despite all their spin to the contrary, I'm confident the A's were fully aware of just how inattentive and unconcerned a parent Casey was. She didn't even support the child, much less parent her.
Second reason, imo, is Cindy didn't want Casey out sleeping around and getting pregnant again.

[101Spots]

I guess that Conway forgot that he said on LKL that the skull had no hair on it...that it was false information given to the media.

Is lying like a disease that the Anthony's spread to all that get caught up with them?

I think it depends on your immune system. If you have the lying antibodies (morals, ethics, etc), you'll be OK. If not, well........ Conway comes to mind. How would you like him as an example of how to live your life? He needs the vaccine for sure. And probably a booster, too.

[Imperfect4]

I am so angry I noticed a few typing errors.Sorry:blushing:

No worries. And I tend to agree with your viewpoint on the attorneys who've climbed aboard this train.

I keep looking for some other reason for their involvement, but haven't been able to find one yet.

[court~critic1®]

No worries. And I tend to agree with your viewpoint on the attorneys who've climbed aboard this train.

I keep looking for some other reason for their involvement, but haven't been able to find one yet.


OH, oh, oh, that is an easy one.....$$$$$$$$ Gotta sell those books and etc.

[apothecary]

My opinion is Cindy had a couple reasons:

She knew dang well not being around in the evenings was just one of many behaviors Casey exhibited which showed she was not interested in parenting Caylee. Despite all their spin to the contrary, I'm confident the A's were fully aware of just how inattentive and unconcerned a parent Casey was. She didn't even support the child, much less parent her.
Second reason, imo, is Cindy didn't want Casey out sleeping around and getting pregnant again.

That was a very sensible answer and keeping Casey at home under her watch would keep her out of trouble.

[Tracian]

I think it depends on your immune system. If you have the lying antibodies (morals, ethics, etc), you'll be OK. If not, well........ Conway comes to mind. How would you like him as an example of how to live your life? He needs the vaccine for sure. And probably a booster, too.


Maybe decontamination suits should be offered to those that will have to work to closely with them, until we are sure of their immune system.

[Sun]

6/19/2009 A ORDER TO STAY ON ORDER FOR SUBPOENA DUCES TECUM FOR ANTHONY LAZZARO THE COURT ORDERS THE FOLLOWING: THE COURT SHALL STAY IT'S ORDER FOR SUBPOENA DUCES TECUM FOR ANTHONY LAZZARO UNTIL AFTER A HEARING CAN BE HEARD & AN ORDER ENTERED ON MR. LAZZARO'S MOTION TO QUASH SUBPOENA DUCES TECUM.

Here is an entry on the Clerk of Courts records. Looks like Baez isn't getting Lazzaro's phone records like he had hoped. At least not without another court hearing.

[Imperfect4]

I think this "bonding" issue is just another psychological game between Casey and Cindy. I think Cindy was the boss at home and Casey saw the baby as something that was hers and hers alone, something that she was in charge of, so to have Cindy hold her first was like being one-upped.

FWIW I know a lot of woman who did not hold their baby right away, or even the first day, and I think they were all C-Sect.

I think about 99% of what has transpired is part of the psych game between those two females. Sicker than sick, imo.

[BlueTurtle]

im just curious does any one here have a myspace? Cindys 50plus years old and she has a myspace?

Definitely not! I want to have some privacy in my life. I just don't get the need to expose all your life on a website or to constantly text someone. It took several years for my son to get a cell phone. I got it for safety reasons. (Trouble walking if car is stalled...)

It might be another way to compete with her daughter. Who knows?:confused:

[Tracian]

That was a very sensible answer and keeping Casey at home under her watch would keep her out of trouble.

I don't think it was to keep her out of trouble. I think it was a control issue. I think that Cindy used Caylee as a whip to beat Casey.

Jesse said that Cindy encouraged Caylee to call her 'mom' right in front of Casey...that is really very cruel, using a child's innocents to take pot shots at her mother.

If Cindy was so concerned about how Casey spent her time, she would have known that Casey was not working, she would have realized that she didn't see pay stubs.

No, Cindy enjoys control and manipulation; IMO, the whole family operates on those character traits.

[Mamie]

I also do not understand why these lawyers are tripping over themselves to defend this obvious deception(using your word).Do they live in a storyland or some tvland where anything is acceptable and the truth is misconstrued and twisted to justify this cold blooded murder.In my mind the whole defence team is living in lala land and playing their roles in this made for tv drama.I guess an ordinary court case just does not satisfy their egos and they need some manufactured drama to show off their superiour lawyering skills to the adoring crouds that will be spellbound by their brilliance.Never mind that an adorable baby was snuffed in the process and many others innocent people dragged into this cesspool.This little twit has everyone wrapped around her finger and knows it.

My take on why these lawyers are on this particular bandwagon is, because if by some miracle, they defend her to the jury and the jury is say.....deadlocked, then they will actually be "miracle workers" and can you just imagine how much in demand they will be after that? If they cannot save Casey, they will always have a "pat" response in defense of their actions which will boil down to that no one could have saved her. JMO

[Jester]

No but wouldn't you grab shoes if you were planning on being gone for a day, a week? I know I'd grab shoes even if I was going to be gone with them for a short time.. It's hot out sidewalks are hot and carrying a 2 yr after awhile they get heavy... I agree with conchgirl, I also think she was killed in the house..

Couldn't her shoes have been left in the car, and cleaned up by Cindy ... put in the house and not made available to police. We know Cindy withheld information about what was missing from the house, so it's not impossible that Cindy found shoes, and didn't tell anyone as it would implicate Casey if Cayley's shoes were left in the car.

[Tracian]

im just curious does any one here have a myspace? Cindys 50plus years old and she has a myspace?


I am 42 and my daughter (21) made me up a myspace...it was fun, I met other Wiccans through it...of course I have not even looked at it for about 18 months.

I know some people my age have them, pass word protected so they can exchange photos with other family members, or create albums to be viewed for friends and family that live far away.

Cindy's Myspace, IIRC seemed to be more or less like her other activities, ways to gain sympathy--like that blog when Caylee and Casey were 'missing'.

[Tracian]

Couldn't her shoes have been left in the car, and cleaned up by Cindy ... put in the house and not made available to police. We know Cindy withheld information about what was missing from the house, so it's not impossible that Cindy found shoes, and didn't tell anyone as it would implicate Casey if Cayley's shoes were left in the car.

Good point, Cindy admitted to cleaning out the car, washing Casey's clothes that were left in the car...it is impossible to guess what could have been tampered with or discarded.

[koawally]

please don't stone me, but I slept very well last night (and that's unusual for me). I think that I had feared even worse than what the autopsy revealed. .....I know for the longest time early on in the investigation, I did have nightmares.

Conway had a copy of that autopsy, and there is no doubt in my mind that the Anthonys knew everything that it said. No doubt!

I agree Sun!! No doubt they've seen all the pictures as well and I think it's the pictures that they most want kept from the public especially the tape wrapped several times around lil Caylee's head blocking her lil mouth and nose.

At least we all know now Conway LIED about the tape wrapped around Caylee's lil head. The Anthony's and Conway are cut from the same cloth:thumbdown: