June 20-21 Weekend #1

[desmom]

Why does George write Zany? He even made it a point during his depo to correct Mr. Morgan saying it is spelled Z A N Y. Not Zanny.

Well doesn't Zany mean crazy? Zany?

Zanny which rhymes with Nanny is how Cindy pronounces the name.

jmo

I find it odd that in Casey's handwritten statement to LE (page 29) http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3868229/guide-to-casey-anthony-documents-orlando-sentinel and in her interview at home on 6/16 (page 70 same link) she wrote or said "Zenaida". I did not see any Zannys or Zanys in either.

Out of the 67 pages of the interview at Universal on 6/16 (page 85), she only used the word Zanny/Zany twice.

In the handwritten statement, maybe Casey was trying to be professional and use the nanny's legal name.

I would think since they have been friends for over 4 years (or was it 6 years), Casey would have used the name she was used to calling the nanny - Zanny during the oral interview!

Oh...wait there is no nanny, Zany, Zanny.

jmo

[5boxersmom]

George also made a point to correct the pronunciation too.
While I listened to George's depo I had a THEY GOT YOU moment.
I forget who interviewed George but they said Zenny. George became quite upset.
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r129/wegworker/Zenny.jpg
I truly believe the name Zenny was stated on purpose because in the Spanish community, the nickname for Zenaida is ZENNY not Zanny.
M&M theory probably was if Casey knew this person for a couple of years, at one point or another her Spanish nanny would have corrected Casey mispronouncing her name.

BTW...My mother's Spanish caregiver corrected my mispronunciation months before the depo.

I also remember a text from Casey to someone and she wrote Zany. It might have been to the cop that got fired.

jmo

[jammies]

"Oh Canada!" :seeya:

I think so too, cindy is the number one target.


Hey there, scamp. Wouldn't they have to put Casey on the stand if they were to point the fickle finger of fate at Cindy? Wouldn't anything Lee or anyone else repeats from Casey be heresay?

[sammy62]

My thoughts for what they are worth:

I believe that casey was premeditating killing George and Cindy...hence the computer searches. I think she was going to get rid of Caylee after the other two. Then the house was hers, and she was free and clear to party..

I don't believe anyone else killed Caylee. Casey is too selfish to be sitting in jail a year to cover for her mom or dad.

I still don't believe Cindy knew about Caylee's murder. I feel her 911 calls are sincere. (but my middle name is Pollyanna).

I think Mallory knows more than we know. Why hasn't her interview been made public. They certainly would have interviewed her.

I can tolerate watching Cindy...better than George. There is something wrong with George. His fake sobs Friday, and carrying around Caylee's picture. Why would anyone come to court carrying her picture. I loved watching the Judge totally ignore George during his whining.

I think Casey meant to kill Caylee eventually. But I think she did it that night totally out of anger and revenge.

What I don't understand is that Casey is so dumb to come up with a story....having 31 days, that didn't have more substance.

well....MOO :cursing:

[summer4meplz]

I think the BEST gift either of those two could give their fathers would be to STAY AWAY from them!

I don't recall any mention of lee and/or casey celebrating FD with george last year....

[jammies]

Good Question..Didnt Cindy have a Sonogram pic on the wall in Caylee or Casey's room?
I think Cindy and Casey are alot alike..they deny and deny till the last minute or till they are called out on it.
It's just hard to believe she would not have known Casey was pregnant..i think she wanted everyone else to think she didnt know:bored:

Happy Father's Day


zactly, kookie. They all lie. How are we to believe that Cindy MADE her keep the baby? Anything out of their mouths is suspect for me.

Casey would say ANYTHING to make her mother look bad and feel sorry for HER (casey). Casey's friends just repeat whatever bs she came up with. Instead of telling the truth about her pregnancy (the circumstances, father) she whines to her friends that her mean mommie is going to make her keep Caylee.

It MAY be true but in this family we will NEVER EVER know.

[haveaniceday]

My thoughts for what they are worth:

I believe that casey was premeditating killing George and Cindy...hence the computer searches. I think she was going to get rid of Caylee after the other two. Then the house was hers, and she was free and clear to party..

I don't believe anyone else killed Caylee. Casey is too selfish to be sitting in jail a year to cover for her mom or dad.

I still don't believe Cindy knew about Caylee's murder. I feel her 911 calls are sincere. (but my middle name is Pollyanna).

I think Mallory knows more than we know. Why hasn't her interview been made public. They certainly would have interviewed her.

I can tolerate watching Cindy...better than George. There is something wrong with George. His fake sobs Friday, and carrying around Caylee's picture. Why would anyone come to court carrying her picture. I loved watching the Judge totally ignore George during his whining.

I think Casey meant to kill Caylee eventually. But I think she did it that night totally out of anger and revenge.

What I don't understand is that Casey is so dumb to come up with a story....having 31 days, that didn't have more substance.

well....MOO :cursing:


I think the 31 days came about because CA said "I gave you thirty days".
Casey for some reason was going with the June 8th day. She is not smart enough to count out the days from 7/15 to 6/8.
She said 31 days because her mother said 30 days IMO

[Amy]

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I too, do pity them somewhat. After all, however inexcusable their lies and attempts to cover up their daughters deeds, they must find it to be dreadful to awaken each morning and face a new day, that cloud following them each day, the dark, foreboding truth that they can never escape, Caylee is gone, Casey is forever lost to them, and somehow they must go on.
Work? I can't see how thay can possibly find going back to work at this time the right thing to do. They will be subjected to ridicule, criticizm, opinions, questions, judgements....life as they knew it ended a year ago, and perhaps they want to be advocates for missing children simply because it's more familiar to them, and people who have undergone the similar circumstances make them feel more at ease, around those who know what they have endured.
jmo

Most people have to get back to work because there are bills to be paid. It seems most people who have lost a child/grandchild even to murder had to go back to work. Of course, "most people" haven't put their mugs on tv in a negative way the number of times the A's have, so they probably do garner more sympathy and empathy and less ridicule than the A's do. And, I guess "most people" haven't used the death of their daughter/granddaughter to garner enough money to NOT have to work.

There aren't many people who have undergone the similar circumstance that they can relate to. @ least, not the 31 days, the "script" instead of ransom note. And the acting out on national tv. I haven't seen any shows where the parents act as they do. Maybe, when they do get around to helping out people with missing children, they will coach them to act in the ways they did? They have been to Sutsuma once (well, George did, and was asked to leave) and went to one vigil? Or, is it two now, vigils for missing children. They haven't even taken the darn boat out to help look for missing children. I haven't seen pics of George pulling billboards with faces and names of missing children for months now. (Sure hope the phone listed is connected now, or a new # painted on the darn thing.) I guess, maybe they think their interviews on GMA and TODAY and LKL are helpful to people whose children/grandchildren have gone missing?

[crimeq]

I believe that too. No amount of money is going to ease their troubled black souls.

"I've been rich and I've been poor, and rich is better." -- Sophie Tucker

The money may not ease their troubled souls, but it will ease their life and I despise that they are making their way off Caylee's demise -- a horrible demise at the hands of her own mother.

[Kokopelli]

:laugh::tonguewag: Ironside.

jmo

Once I had a date with Ironside but I stood him up. :laugh:

[summer]

Does anyone know when Cindy actually acknowledged the pregnancy?

TIA

Here's my thought. Cindy knew when Casey knew, probably within the first three months. They spent the next several months arguing, negotiating, scheming... what to do... what to do.

Cindy and Casey could have together come up with the idea of telling Jesse the baby was his.

That fell through when Richard Grund insisted his son do a paternity test. They were outed so no reason for Casey to stay with Jesse anymore - she didn't want to in the first place.

Back to scheming, planning. Then comes the wedding. Well, for appearances sake they have to go as a family. What would it look like if Casey wasn't there? Or maybe Casey herself pleaded to go - she wanted a vacation too - she never got to go anywhere boo hoo - she could houdini-like hide her belly the same way she could walk cops down a hallway all the way to the door of a non-existent job.

OK then. It's a deal. Cindy and Casey have a united front. Casey is NOT pregnant and if any dope in the family says anything that's the story. Who cares what they think anyway?

Back to the ranch. Cindy tells Casey if she keeps the baby her life won't change. She will have help. Not just regular help but the gold-standard of help. Ok so she lied. Big whoop.

Casey agrees to keep the baby.

A few months after the birth Cindy bails on her promises and starts harrassing the hell out of Casey.

Casey is now totally and irrefutably stuck, trapped -- and she becomes more and more enraged. What can she do? She doesn't have the tools to live on her own. She sees a life of nothing but her and Caylee and Cindy and George holed up in that house for years to come.

She hates her mother. She hates her daughter. She hates her life.

The end.

Justathought.

[Steps]

I agree. That's why, IMO, Casey made the flurry of calls. It wasn't a cry for help but an assurance everyone was at work and she had ample of time.

First of all I would like to say that I am an occasional poster, but an all time reader. I am continuely amazed at how many really smart posters are contributing to this board. I have had something in my mind for sometime. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but at one time I seem to recall it coming out in discovery that no fingerprints for George, Cindy, or Lee were found on the duct tape. I don't believe they included OC. Could it be possible that with several layers over Caylee that they might have found a print from Casey? That would surely be a "smoking gun"!

[AnnieBell]

I don't recall any mention of lee and/or casey celebrating FD with george last year....

IIRC Cindy took Caylee with her to the nursing home because George was working that day and Casey didn't show up until later in the evening b/c Cindy stated getting Caylee out of the pool and fixing dinner. Haven't came across anything about where Lee was but MPO Lee didn't care much about being around the family. In the documents both G&C describe the strained relationship George had with both of his kids.

[ellegna]

Hey there, scamp. Wouldn't they have to put Casey on the stand if they were to point the fickle finger of fate at Cindy? Wouldn't anything Lee or anyone else repeats from Casey be heresay?

Not Scamp but thought this may help. Lapis answered that a few days back. It's admissible

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=13200208#post13200208

[Kokopelli]

:confused: What the heck does "if you bare posting" mean? And who are you lecturing? And why? You can't seriously think that anything posted here will jeopardize this case, can you? :laugh:
:sad: I have heard of being bare tied to a post but never bare posting?
Happy Fathers Day all you daddies out there.

[crimeq]

IMO, G & C have had a lot of hindsight 20/20 type conversations...we should have or if we would have.

G & C returning to work IMO would be very good for them. I think they are probably checking message boards, news outlets and blogs everyday to see what is being said about them or Casey. This is not going to help the healing process but add more to their pain.

G & C being advocates for missing children IMO is an oxymoron. I am sorry, but their behavior, lies and accusations in the media are not the type of people I would want assisting me or my family if we had a child go missing.

jmo


Haleigh's father didn't want them assisting their family, and they ARE in that situation! "Nuff said for me.

[Amy]

I have been wondering and asking the question for ages it seems:
Just how long can the defense put this trial off?
I mean surely there is something in the law that says "enough is enough you have had plenty of time to come up with a defense".
If the prosecution says they are ready in Oct can the defense say
they aren't and the judge keeps allowing that?

Also every time there is a hearing requested by the defense do they have to pay the court system a fee or anything like that?

Either side can ask for continuances as much as they want. The judge doesn't have to allow any @ all. But, most do--for a while. I don't know @ what point they will be denied further delays.

[summer]

Maybe as a nurse Cindy provided the pre-natal care if there wasn't any insurance. Or maybe if there was insurance use it for the birth and skip the pre-natal co-pay.

I do think Cindy would've insisted on pre-natal attention if she knew Casey was pregnant.

[Unleashed]

Once I had a date with Ironside but I stood him up. :laugh:

:lol::lol:

You are deeply warped. I love that in a poster!

jmo

[Kokopelli]

:lol::lol:

You are deeply warped. I love that in a poster!

jmo

I've luv'ed u guys for long time now :thumbup:

[Unleashed]

:sad: I have heard of being bare tied to a post but never bare posting?
Happy Fathers Day all you daddies out there.

Ditto!
Miss you, dad. :rose:

Now everybody get their clothes back on and keep posting :scared:


JMO

[Sun]

I believe that Andrea Lyon will do her very best to have a forensic psychiatrist do a complete workup of this family, in her effort to "excuse and mitigate" the OC's evil deeds. cindy will just love it.

Lots of people come from or live in a dysfunctional family. And, don't kill their own child. When(and I believe she will be) Casey is found Guilty by the Jury, then Andrea will get to argue all the excuses that she wants to. I wonder if Lyon ever thinks that this case could tarnish her record?

[Amy]

Does anyone know when Cindy actually acknowledged the pregnancy?

TIA

I don't know that I have ever read, or heard. Did she acknowedge it after Uncle Rick brought it to her attention? I know, she denied Casey was even having sex and all that to Rick, but to herself, did she say, crap!!! I know Rick is right. Or, did she really suspect even before Rick said anything, but still deny it to Rick? I can't remember if, in her interview where she said she was waiting for Casey to come to her, if this was before Rick's wedding or not.

But, if I have to go by what Cindy says, I'm not sure I would believe when she says she became aware of the pregnancy. It's kind of sad that it is hard for people to believe anything Cindy says. I think the most honest information from her was that first day (and she says not a lot of anything in her written statement.) Even then, the dates were all wrong.

[jammies]

Not Scamp but thought this may help. Lapis answered that a few days back. It's admissible

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=13200208#post13200208


Thanks for finding that post, elle! :wub:


btw, can you tell I want Casey ON THE STAND???

[FrankieBones1]

If you bare posting on "inside info" your kids are breaking the rules, and the killer could get off. Please don't jeopardize that. Or may be it's not true.:mad:

I'm pretty sure Snoopy was guessing that Cindy took a peek at the report. Something tells me that she knows where the line is drawn.

I doubt anything can get Casey off after all the evidence they have.

[AnnieBell]

Lots of people come from or live in a dysfunctional family. And, don't kill their own child. When(and I believe she will be) Casey is found Guilty by the Jury, then Andrea will get to argue all the excuses that she wants to. I wonder if Lyon ever thinks that this case could tarnish her record?

I'm thinking her shiny armor is already beginning to tarnish it started rusting when it became common knowledge she chose to let an innocent man go to prison even after her client admitted it. She makes a nice fit with the rest of Casey's groupy.

[summer]

I don't know that I have ever read, or heard. Did she acknowedge it after Uncle Rick brought it to her attention? I know, she denied Casey was even having sex and all that to Rick, but to herself, did she say, crap!!! I know Rick is right. Or, did she really suspect even before Rick said anything, but still deny it to Rick? I can't remember if, in her interview where she said she was waiting for Casey to come to her, if this was before Rick's wedding or not.

But, if I have to go by what Cindy says, I'm not sure I would believe when she says she became aware of the pregnancy. It's kind of sad that it is hard for people to believe anything Cindy says. I think the most honest information from her was that first day (and she says not a lot of anything in her written statement.) Even then, the dates were all wrong.

I'm thinking along your lines... do you think my response above to Unleashed makes any sense?

[FrankieBones1]

Maybe as a nurse Cindy provided the pre-natal care if there wasn't any insurance. Or maybe if there was insurance use it for the birth and skip the pre-natal co-pay.

I do think Cindy would've insisted on pre-natal attention if she knew Casey was pregnant.

If we are to believe Cindy, she didn't know about the pregnancy until the third tri-mester. Pre-natal care should start well before that. By today's standards that means even before conception.

[summer]

If we are to believe Cindy, she didn't know about the pregnancy until the third tri-mester. Pre-natal care should start well before that. By today's standards that means even before conception.

FrankieBones, I don't believe her.

[jammies]

I'm pretty sure Snoopy was guessing that Cindy took a peek at the report. Something tells me that she knows where the line is drawn.

I doubt anything can get Casey off after all the evidence they have.


Yep, Snoopy has been here with us for quite a while now and I've never seen her "cross the line".

If she had, one of us would have PM'd her and warned her to edit her post. No one has ever had to do that to my knowledge.

WE LOVE OUR SNOOP!

[Unleashed]

I'm pretty sure Snoopy was guessing that Cindy took a peek at the report. Something tells me that she knows where the line is drawn.

I doubt anything can get Casey off after all the evidence they have.

O/T
Frankie, I wish there was a way you could get your siggy in neon lights with bells and whistles. :thumbsup:

JMO

[AnnieBell]

I'm pretty sure Snoopy was guessing that Cindy took a peek at the report. Something tells me that she knows where the line is drawn.

I doubt anything can get Casey off after all the evidence they have.

I also came to the same conclusion that Cindy knew what was in that report before it became public after watching her on LKL with BC denying any duct tape or hair found at the scene and I didn't have any insider information just common sense.

[Amy]

Not Scamp but thought this may help. Lapis answered that a few days back. It's admissible

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=13200208#post13200208

Thanks for the link. This is why I don't think Padilla is going to testify to much. When he speaks on NG, he says so-and-so told me this and so-and-so told me that. The information he has--all the so-and-so's would need to be doing the testifying, not LP. IMO.

[summer]

Thanks for the link. This is why I don't think Padilla is going to testify to much. When he speaks on NG, he says so-and-so told me this and so-and-so told me that. The information he has--all the so-and-so's would need to be doing the testifying, not LP. IMO.

ITA. There's no way they're gonna put him on the stand!

[Amy]

Lots of people come from or live in a dysfunctional family. And, don't kill their own child. When(and I believe she will be) Casey is found Guilty by the Jury, then Andrea will get to argue all the excuses that she wants to. I wonder if Lyon ever thinks that this case could tarnish her record?

Not if all her work keeps Casey from the DP. AL's job is to keep her from getting DP, whether it is to get it off the table before the trial, or to get LWOP instead of DP in the sentencing phase. If there is no DP, AL's record remains untarnished, regardless of the guilt phase. IMO

[Unleashed]

I'm thinking along your lines... do you think my response above to Unleashed makes any sense?


Well, Unleashed certainly thinks it does!
:thumbsup:
Thanks!


jmo

[summer]

Well, Unleashed certainly thinks it does!
:thumbsup:
Thanks!


jmo

Thanks Unleashed! :laugh:

[crimeq]

My thoughts for what they are worth:

I believe that casey was premeditating killing George and Cindy...hence the computer searches. I think she was going to get rid of Caylee after the other two. Then the house was hers, and she was free and clear to party..

I don't believe anyone else killed Caylee. Casey is too selfish to be sitting in jail a year to cover for her mom or dad.

I still don't believe Cindy knew about Caylee's murder. I feel her 911 calls are sincere. (but my middle name is Pollyanna).

I think Mallory knows more than we know. Why hasn't her interview been made public. They certainly would have interviewed her.

I can tolerate watching Cindy...better than George. There is something wrong with George. His fake sobs Friday, and carrying around Caylee's picture. Why would anyone come to court carrying her picture. I loved watching the Judge totally ignore George during his whining.

I think Casey meant to kill Caylee eventually. But I think she did it that night totally out of anger and revenge.

What I don't understand is that Casey is so dumb to come up with a story....having 31 days, that didn't have more substance.

well....MOO :cursing:


There's also that strange video of Caylee in her high chair, Casey filming her and not saying a word. Caylee keeps saying the sound, "kee". Getting into the video a bit, you hear someone (Casey) say, "I KILL you". I think she was trying to teach Caylee to say that phrase, perhaps to say to Cindy instead of "I love you." :confused: That "up" "L" sound, made at the back of the palate, is one of the last sounds a child learns to make (along with the back "r" (errrrr) -- these sounds are not visible on the lips or in the front of the mouth and are the more difficult sounds to make given the more difficult tongue movement). If Casey was trying to teach Caylee to say the work "kill", it would come out of her 2-yo mouth as "kee".

For whatever reason, I think Casey was trying to teach Caylee to say the word "kill" and the phrase which she said on that video, "I kill you."

[Scampi]

Thanks for finding that post, elle! :wub:


btw, can you tell I want Casey ON THE STAND???

Don't we all Jams, and I truly believe there is a very good chance we will get our wish. :thumbup:

[ConchGirl]

Maybe as a nurse Cindy provided the pre-natal care if there wasn't any insurance. Or maybe if there was insurance use it for the birth and skip the pre-natal co-pay.

I do think Cindy would've insisted on pre-natal attention if she knew Casey was pregnant.

I wouldn't want of Nurse of Decompositon giving me pre-natal care. :scared:

[crimeq]

I don't recall any mention of lee and/or casey celebrating FD with george last year....

In one of her interviews, Cindy said George didn't want to celebrate Father's Day (a very odd choice indeed). Cindy said she gave him a gift, then took Caylee to see great-grandfather.

[summer]

In one of her interviews, Cindy said George didn't want to celebrate Father's Day (a very odd choice indeed). Cindy said she gave him a gift, then took Caylee to see great-grandfather.

I think the phrase "Cindy said" should be stricken from the English language. :smile:

[kOOkie1]

This has probably been asked before.. If George and Cindy testify can they still sit through everyone else's testimony during the Trial?

[Scampi]

I think the BEST gift either of those two could give their fathers would be to STAY AWAY from them!

You're probably right Cel. I can just imagine the feast you have prepared for all your "daddy" relatives today. Lucky, lucky guys.

This nightmare is taking a toll on that entire family, who knows how much longer the elderly parents are going to be around and to face this embarassment in their golden years, just dreadful.

[crimeq]

I think the phrase "Cindy said" should be stricken from the English language. :smile:


:wink: I do believe you are right about that.

[101Spots]

Which might come in useful in the sentencing phase, but don't think it would come up in the guilt phase.

There was a fellow who killed his first wife and kids, and his 3rd wife. Wife #2 committed suicide--she married him again after wife #3 died. In order to get him to admit to the murders, a profiler was sent in, telling him they were wanting to research the mental workings of serial killers. That man was so full of himself, tho't of himself as unique and superior to everyone else....and was more than happy to dialog w/the profiler. Don't know what much was "found" about the mental issue, except he was definitely self-centered, no one really mattered except himself.

Wonder what happens when everyone in the same family thinks the world revolves around them, and any purpose of others in this world is only of significance in what those people can do for him?

Galaxies collide. Not a pretty sight.

[Unleashed]

This has probably been asked before.. If George and Cindy testify can they still sit through everyone else's testimony during the Trial?

I don't believe so, as they may be called back up for further testimony.
Our legal beagles can answer for sure.
I am sure they can't sit in before they testify, tho.


JMO

[CelticDawn]

:laugh::tonguewag: Ironside.

jmo

OMG!!!!YALL ARE JUST BENT!!!!! :lol:


Conway is a LONG way from being an Ironside....thats for sure!!!


More like some character from that old show the wacky Racers....."Like Dick dastardly and Mutley"

[5boxersmom]

My thoughts for what they are worth:

I believe that casey was premeditating killing George and Cindy...hence the computer searches. I think she was going to get rid of Caylee after the other two. Then the house was hers, and she was free and clear to party..

I don't believe anyone else killed Caylee. Casey is too selfish to be sitting in jail a year to cover for her mom or dad.

I still don't believe Cindy knew about Caylee's murder. I feel her 911 calls are sincere. (but my middle name is Pollyanna).

I think Mallory knows more than we know. Why hasn't her interview been made public. They certainly would have interviewed her.

I can tolerate watching Cindy...better than George. There is something wrong with George. His fake sobs Friday, and carrying around Caylee's picture. Why would anyone come to court carrying her picture. I loved watching the Judge totally ignore George during his whining.

I think Casey meant to kill Caylee eventually. But I think she did it that night totally out of anger and revenge.

What I don't understand is that Casey is so dumb to come up with a story....having 31 days, that didn't have more substance.

well....MOO :cursing:

Bold is mine.

I think Casey just thought LE would believe her about dropping Caylee off at Sawgrass. No one had ever questioned her on her lies before. Even her friends say they knew she was lying about things but never said a word to her.

She may have also thought that ZG rented that apartment and LE would think she did something with Caylee. It would be Casey's word against ZG.

Her story or stories started getting way out there when she found out ZG did not live at the apartment. Then the JBP story came in.

jmo

[boo]

I don't believe so, as they may be called back up for further testimony.
Our legal beagles can answer for sure.
I am sure they can't sit in before they testify, tho.


JMO

I know here in California, that answer is absolutely not. My mom's heart was truly broken when she was not allowed to sit in on our trial. Not even if she testified first. (believe me, we tried).

[boo]

Wouldn't Lee have ever wondered where his parent's went?

Sorry, trying to catch up here and trying to visualize Casey killing C & G before she moved on to poor Caylee.

[5boxersmom]

I know here in California, that answer is absolutely not. My mom's heart was truly broken when she was not allowed to sit in on our trial. Not even if she testified first. (believe me, we tried).

That is sad. Didn't Sharon Rocha sit in the courtroom? I am sure she took the stand. :confused:

[boo]

That is sad. Didn't Sharon Rocha sit in the courtroom? I am sure she took the stand. :confused:

Maybe 5boxersmom. I'm sure she was a witness, too, right?

I don't know. Maybe the laws have changed on that. My trial was 1982 and it was a source of contention with all of us and we understood more than my mother could fathom it.

We couldn't even sit in at the preliminary hearing.... forget the trial. As it stood, it didn't matter as they plead guilty to 2nd degree murder and got 17 to life. Ironically, for California being so notorious for letting perps out early, we're doing really well. 27 years later and they are BOTH still in prison. One in San Quentin and the other in Corcoran (home of Charlie Manson).

[Scampi]

That is sad. Didn't Sharon Rocha sit in the courtroom? I am sure she took the stand. :confused:


I think you're right, but that came about as the result of a stipulation between the Prosecution and defense, iirc. I do not see such a stipulation happening in this case. But, perhaps the rules are more lax here, gues we'll find out soon enough.

[impartial]

That is sad. Didn't Sharon Rocha sit in the courtroom? I am sure she took the stand. :confused:


Sharon Rocha, Judy Brown, etc.


But, can Cindy control herself in front of a jury? Rolling eyes, gasps of denial, etc. Will be interesting.

[boo]

Sharon Rocha, Judy Brown, etc.


But, can Cindy control herself in front of a jury? Rolling eyes, gasps of denial, etc. Will be interesting.

I hate to say it, impartial, but that's the part I'm most looking forward to. :sneaky:

[impartial]

I hate to say it, impartial, but that's the part I'm most looking forward to. :sneaky:


You bad boo. :wink:

[boo]

You bad boo. :wink:

I like to think good. I want her to try the same schtick on the judge and attorneys as she did with the public and media.

Of course really what I most want to see is Casey taking that long walk forevermore. No matter whether it's LWOP or the DP.

[desmom]

Sharon Rocha, Judy Brown, etc.


But, can Cindy control herself in front of a jury? Rolling eyes, gasps of denial, etc. Will be interesting.

:seeya: impartial!

Have you given any thought to what defense JB & Crew will use at trial? TIA

[rbrnmw]

Most people have to get back to work because there are bills to be paid. It seems most people who have lost a child/grandchild even to murder had to go back to work. Of course, "most people" haven't put their mugs on tv in a negative way the number of times the A's have, so they probably do garner more sympathy and empathy and less ridicule than the A's do. And, I guess "most people" haven't used the death of their daughter/granddaughter to garner enough money to NOT have to work.

There aren't many people who have undergone the similar circumstance that they can relate to. @ least, not the 31 days, the "script" instead of ransom note. And the acting out on national tv. I haven't seen any shows where the parents act as they do. Maybe, when they do get around to helping out people with missing children, they will coach them to act in the ways they did? They have been to Sutsuma once (well, George did, and was asked to leave) and went to one vigil? Or, is it two now, vigils for missing children. They haven't even taken the darn boat out to help look for missing children. I haven't seen pics of George pulling billboards with faces and names of missing children for months now. (Sure hope the phone listed is connected now, or a new # painted on the darn thing.) I guess, maybe they think their interviews on GMA and TODAY and LKL are helpful to people whose children/grandchildren have gone missing?
I use to think Jackie and Lee Peterson were over the top and they turned my stomach but GA and CA make them look like saints. It is as obvious as can be that this family has been so dysfunctional for years and they dont see themselves as ridiculous like we do. Their lives are fairytales Cindy and Casey create. I have never seen as worse case of denial.

[Dick Tracy]

Sharon Rocha, Judy Brown, etc.


But, can Cindy control herself in front of a jury? Rolling eyes, gasps of denial, etc. Will be interesting.

Schmindy controlling herself in front of a jury.. 12 Anonmyous people? HELL NO.

First of all, she's going to be impeached right after "Would you State your Name for the Jury?" The state will whip out video clip and media show she was on. Everything that she tried to coverup will be UNCOVERED. Then her testimony won't mean JACK to the jury. She won't be believed, unless what she says can be corrorborated..........

The Lemming? The same way. Impeached. Discounted testimony.

The strongest testimony will come from the detectives, and all involved in LE. They'll paint a very dark picture of the PRP. The jury will be shaking their head in disbelief.

It's going to be quite a show.

DT

[kOOkie1]

I think you're right, but that came about as the result of a stipulation between the Prosecution and defense, iirc. I do not see such a stipulation happening in this case. But, perhaps the rules are more lax here, gues we'll find out soon enough.

I dont either..interesting to see what happens.
They both will have to be sedated anyway to be able to control their head shaking and door flinging outbursts. ughhh

[jammies]

I hate to say it, impartial, but that's the part I'm most looking forward to. :sneaky:



I'd bet every single one of us here feels the same way!

I never miss an episode of the "Housewives" so there's my guilty confession for the day!

[boo]

I think you're right, but that came about as the result of a stipulation between the Prosecution and defense, iirc. I do not see such a stipulation happening in this case. But, perhaps the rules are more lax here, gues we'll find out soon enough.

Don't you kinda hope they don't fight this one, Scamp? :wink:

[boo]

:seeya: impartial!

Have you given any thought to what defense JB & Crew will use at trial? TIA

Cindy and George did it? :w00t:

[5boxersmom]

Maybe 5boxersmom. I'm sure she was a witness, too, right?

I don't know. Maybe the laws have changed on that. My trial was 1982 and it was a source of contention with all of us and we understood more than my mother could fathom it.

We couldn't even sit in at the preliminary hearing.... forget the trial. As it stood, it didn't matter as they plead guilty to 2nd degree murder and got 17 to life. Ironically, for California being so notorious for letting perps out early, we're doing really well. 27 years later and they are BOTH still in prison. One in San Quentin and the other in Corcoran (home of Charlie Manson).

That is great they are still in prison.

[impartial]

:seeya: impartial!

Have you given any thought to what defense JB & Crew will use at trial? TIA


I'm still trying to fathom what JB has said that once the defense is shown, everyone will understand; as well as LKB saying that Casey will be exonerated ... strong words by LKB, normally the defense speaks in terms of reasonable doubt, not exoneration. Leads me to believe they have something, but I can't for the life of me figure out what they could have. They certainly can't use anything from the Anthony's, their credibility is zilch.

Premeditation is going to be tricky ... that's why I think the DA decided to go with the DP, so they can get a death qualified jury ... much more prone to convict.

IMO :seeya:

[farrahrani]

Sharon Rocha, Judy Brown, etc.


But, can Cindy control herself in front of a jury? Rolling eyes, gasps of denial, etc. Will be interesting.

It's probably a good thing I live so far from Orlando..I've said since this started, if I were a spectator, or on the jury, the smarty pants in me just wouldn't be able to resist requesting medical attention for the woman with the muscle spasm/epileptic episode, as soon as she gets started :tonguewag:

[boo]

I'm still trying to fathom what JB has said that once the defense is shown, everyone will understand; as well as LKB saying that Casey will be exonerated ... strong words by LKB, normally the defense speaks in terms of reasonable doubt, not exoneration. Leads me to believe they have something, but I can't for the life of me figure out what they could have. They certainly can't use anything from the Anthony's, their credibility is zilch.

Premeditation is going to be tricky ... that's why I think the DA decided to go with the DP, so they can get a death qualified jury ... much more prone to convict.

IMO :seeya:

Death penalty qualified jury? What's this you say? What differentiates the 2, impartial?

Thanks.

[boo]

It's probably a good thing I live so far from Orlando..I've said since this started, if I were a spectator, or on the jury, the smarty pants in me just wouldn't be able to resist requesting medical attention for the woman with the muscle spasm/epileptic episode, as soon as she gets started :tonguewag:

We could start a fundation and get you there, farrahrani. :sneaky:

[Explorer]

Its been 2 days since the release of the report and we havent seen hide nor hair from the scamthonys:confused:

[Unleashed]

It's probably a good thing I live so far from Orlando..I've said since this started, if I were a spectator, or on the jury, the smarty pants in me just wouldn't be able to resist requesting medical attention for the woman with the muscle spasm/epileptic episode, as soon as she gets started :tonguewag:

MEDIC!!!
911!!!
Doctor in the house??
Lavinia!!!!
:laugh:


JMO

[Explorer]

the operative word is hide

[AnnieBell]

Wouldn't Lee have ever wondered where his parent's went?

Sorry, trying to catch up here and trying to visualize Casey killing C & G before she moved on to poor Caylee.

I'm convinced Lee is way more involved in this then we know. As does his girlfriend and her mother especially now that Mallory's mother is listed as a board member of Cindys grave train(foundation)

[boo]

I'm convinced Lee is way more involved in this then we know. As does his girlfriend and her mother especially now that Mallory's mother is listed as a board member of Cindys grave train(foundation)

Wouldn't that be something? Then again, it's Lee we're talking about, so maybe he'd never even notice they were gone at all.

[Tornado]

There's also that strange video of Caylee in her high chair, Casey filming her and not saying a word. Caylee keeps saying the sound, "kee". Getting into the video a bit, you hear someone (Casey) say, "I KILL you". I think she was trying to teach Caylee to say that phrase, perhaps to say to Cindy instead of "I love you." :confused: That "up" "L" sound, made at the back of the palate, is one of the last sounds a child learns to make (along with the back "r" (errrrr) -- these sounds are not visible on the lips or in the front of the mouth and are the more difficult sounds to make given the more difficult tongue movement). If Casey was trying to teach Caylee to say the work "kill", it would come out of her 2-yo mouth as "kee".

For whatever reason, I think Casey was trying to teach Caylee to say the word "kill" and the phrase which she said on that video, "I kill you."


Hello to all.

That video is the one that always gives me the creeps. I don't recall ever seeing anything like that before. Maybe it was really nothing but in light of the situation, it just comes across to me as creepy.

[Explorer]

I'm convinced Lee is way more involved in this then we know. As does his girlfriend and her mother especially now that Mallory's mother is listed as a board member of Cindys grave train(foundation)

they deserve everything thats coming to them:cursing:

[impartial]

Death penalty qualified jury? What's this you say? What differentiates the 2, impartial?

Thanks.


A death qualified jury = during voir dire, they have gone through an inquiry with respect to the death penalty, and do not have reservations with respect to the death penalty. There are numerous studies showing that a death qualified jury is more apt to convict and questions the constitutionality of a death qualified jury.

"There is evidence that death qualification biases the jury in two different ways. First, it tends to select jury members who are “conviction prone.” Second, the very process of death qualification may further bias the jurors." http://www.capitalpunishmentincontext.org/resources/deathqualification

IMO

[cassidy]

I'm convinced Lee is way more involved in this then we know. As does his girlfriend and her mother especially now that Mallory's mother is listed as a board member of Cindys grave train(foundation)


I'm with you all the way on that Annie.

[boo]

Hello to all.

That video is the one that always gives me the creeps. I don't recall ever seeing anything like that before. Maybe it was really nothing but in light of the situation, it just comes across to me as creepy.

:scared: Yikes, I don't believe I've ever seen that video. In whose mind would something like that be cute for a 2 year old to say? Oh yeah, Casey's of course.

[boo]

A death qualified jury = during voir dire, they have gone through an inquiry with respect to the death penalty, and do not have reservations with respect to the death penalty. There are numerous studies showing that a death qualified jury is more apt to convict and questions the constitutionality of a death qualified jury.

"There is evidence that death qualification biases the jury in two different ways. First, it tends to select jury members who are “conviction prone.” Second, the very process of death qualification may further bias the jurors." http://www.capitalpunishmentincontext.org/resources/deathqualification

IMO

Thank you for that. I never knew anything about death penalty qualified juries. Then again, I don't know much about most things.

Do you think this will be a case of sequestering the jury, impartial?

[Lavinia]

Maybe 5boxersmom. I'm sure she was a witness, too, right?

I don't know. Maybe the laws have changed on that. My trial was 1982 and it was a source of contention with all of us and we understood more than my mother could fathom it.

We couldn't even sit in at the preliminary hearing.... forget the trial. As it stood, it didn't matter as they plead guilty to 2nd degree murder and got 17 to life. Ironically, for California being so notorious for letting perps out early, we're doing really well. 27 years later and they are BOTH still in prison. One in San Quentin and the other in Corcoran (home of Charlie Manson).

O/T, but if your guy is in Corcoran, that should make you feel better. I have been watching those "LockUp" (or whatever they're called) shows the last couple of weeks, and Corcoran is the closet I've seen to where I worked. Deluxe hellhole. This is exactly what I'm wishing for the OC.

[AnnieBell]

A death qualified jury = during voir dire, they have gone through an inquiry with respect to the death penalty, and do not have reservations with respect to the death penalty. There are numerous studies showing that a death qualified jury is more apt to convict and questions the constitutionality of a death qualified jury.

"There is evidence that death qualification biases the jury in two different ways. First, it tends to select jury members who are “conviction prone.” Second, the very process of death qualification may further bias the jurors." http://www.capitalpunishmentincontext.org/resources/deathqualification

IMO

But on the other hand one could argue that DP jurors tend to believe in holding the indivdual accountable for said crime. Or, these jurors have the ability to see through smoke screens,lies, deceit or conspiracy theory's?

[Lavinia]

MEDIC!!!
911!!!
Doctor in the house??
Lavinia!!!!
:laugh:


JMO

I've got it! :sneaky: Heh heh. I might lose all my medical training and go old school on her...slapping her face a few (hundred)times 'till she "comes around". :laugh:

[boo]

O/T, but if your guy is in Corcoran, that should make you feel better. I have been watching those "LockUp" (or whatever they're called) shows the last couple of weeks, and Corcoran is the closet I've seen to where I worked. Deluxe hellhole. This is exactly what I'm wishing for the OC.

That's true, Lavinia and it's often referred to as gladiator school. A few years back, several CO's were charged with allowing these brawls to go on outside in the yards. Big story here.

Ironically though, it is by far one of the nicest prisons I have ever been to in California and I have been to dozens (because of this). It's fairly new and the last time I was there, it was really kept up well, too.

I had to use the ladies room before a parole hearing and went in like a little blind sheep. Of course the first thing I ran into was big ol' bubba coming out of a stall with a mop in his hand. I let out the most blood curdling scream and within seconds, half the guards were in there to kick some butt.

The poor guy was a trustee and only trying to mop the floor. Ya think they could have told me he was in there? Maybe put a sign on the door? Talk about a rude awakening. I felt so bad for the guy. He didn't do a dang thing wrong and it was ME who overreacted.

[AnnieBell]

I've got it! :sneaky: Heh heh. I might lose all my medical training and go old school on her...slapping her face a few (hundred)times 'till she "comes around". :laugh:

Hey Lavinia, could you save some of the slaps for the rest of us? I'll buy you chocolate!!!!

[Lavinia]

Hey Lavinia, could you save some of the slaps for the rest of us? I'll buy you chocolate!!!!

I'll buy YOU chocolate if I get to do it. :laugh:

[boo]

Lavinia, I can't believe you worked in a place like that. No wonder you're so funny. I can't imagine the things you saw and heard. (women or men?)

[desmom]

I'm still trying to fathom what JB has said that once the defense is shown, everyone will understand; as well as LKB saying that Casey will be exonerated ... strong words by LKB, normally the defense speaks in terms of reasonable doubt, not exoneration. Leads me to believe they have something, but I can't for the life of me figure out what they could have. They certainly can't use anything from the Anthony's, their credibility is zilch.

Premeditation is going to be tricky ... that's why I think the DA decided to go with the DP, so they can get a death qualified jury ... much more prone to convict.

IMO :seeya:

Thank you.

I think JB believed everything Casey said. I don't believe LKB and Lyon would take anything Casey said at face value....would they?

back to mowing...mow 15 minutes, take a break, mow 15 minutes.....dew point and humidity are 75% with no breeze

[impartial]

But on the other hand one could argue that DP jurors tend to believe in holding the indivdual accountable for said crime. Or, these jurors have the ability to see through smoke screens,lies, deceit or conspiracy theory's?


Part of the constitutional arguments against death qualifying is in the selection itself ... those peers that would normally qualify to sit on the trial are knocked off strictly for their views with respect to the death penalty ...

"(1) the social science data tendered by respondent demonstrates that death-qualified juries are more pro-prosecution and unrepresentative than typical criminal juries and that death qualification impairs jury functioning; (2) the social science research has focused on the relevant categories of prospective jurors, including that subset of jurors excludable under Witherspoon v. Illinois, 391 U.S. 510 (1968); (3) social science research conducted over the course of three decades directly addresses the constitutional issues at stake and the data show that (a) death qualified juries are conviction prone, (b) the barring of Witherspoon excludable jury members creates unrepresentative juries, thereby implicating defendant's right to a jury composed from a fair cross-section of the community, (c) death qualification excludes a significantly large subset of the population, (d) those excluded through death qualification share common attitudes on issues related to criminal justice, (e) death qualification results in under representation on juries of blacks and women, and (f) the data suggests that death qualification interferes with the proper functioning of the jury; and (4) contrary to the States' criticisms, the social science data tendered by respondent satisfied applicable criteria for evaluating the soundness of scientific research. " Lockhart v. McCree, 476 U.S. 651


IMO

[boo]

Thank you.

I think JB believed everything Casey said. I don't believe LKB and Lyon would take anything Casey said at face value....would they?

back to mowing...mow 15 minutes, take a break, mow 15 minutes.....dew point and humidity are 75% with no breeze

JB is a moron if he believes anything out of her mouth.

(OT - mowing? Man, you're making me look bad, des. I threw in a frozen pack of cinnamon rolls and said Happy Father's Day!) :laugh:

[Lavinia]

That's true, Lavinia and it's often referred to as gladiator school. A few years back, several CO's were charged with allowing these brawls to go on outside in the yards. Big story here.

Ironically though, it is by far one of the nicest prisons I have ever been to in California and I have been to dozens (because of this). It's fairly new and the last time I was there, it was really kept up well, too.

I had to use the ladies room before a parole hearing and went in like a little blind sheep. Of course the first thing I ran into was big ol' bubba coming out of a stall with a mop in his hand. I let out the most blood curdling scream and within seconds, half the guards were in there to kick some butt.

The poor guy was a trustee and only trying to mop the floor. Ya think they could have told me he was in there? Maybe put a sign on the door? Talk about a rude awakening. I felt so bad for the guy. He didn't do a dang thing wrong and it was ME who overreacted.

I remember the story quite well, where they would turn the guys out in the concrete "exercise" yards. That was a good example of the inmates running the asylum.

We called our trustees SSI's (special service inmates). They were usually very cautious when working around us (and they worked with us all day) just so something like what you encountered didn't happen with them. They really don't like it when civilian women scream in their vicinity. They tend to prefer not being slammed up on a wall and catching a case. :laugh:

Where I worked was a fairly nice building, because it was new when i started (both the sate and federal prisons). It doesn't take long for them to decay, though and the germ factor is off the wall and I'm not a germaphobe by any means. Narsty, narsty.

[impartial]

Thank you.

I think JB believed everything Casey said. I don't believe LKB and Lyon would take anything Casey said at face value....would they?

back to mowing...mow 15 minutes, take a break, mow 15 minutes.....dew point and humidity are 75% with no breeze



No they wouldn't .. they also know they can't rely on Cindy and George either. So what is it that they believe will exonerate Casey? There are reasonable doubt arguments, but exoneration? Unless LKB swallowed the cool-aid, she has something.

IMO

[Lavinia]

Lavinia, I can't believe you worked in a place like that. No wonder you're so funny. I can't imagine the things you saw and heard. (women or men?)

It was a male facility, boo. I can take the maximum security state and federal inmates but I'm not tough enough to work a woman's unit. :chicken: (Humor DOES help immensely in such a stressful setting! You laugh to keep you from screaming in terror, to paraphrase a famous saying, lol.)

[boo]

My hat's off to you, Lavinia. Amazing.

Okay, the little boo boo is up now and I promised her she can make breakfast for daddy. Yikes, wish us luck. BBL

[AlohaRainbow]

*snip*
That piece may be Lee. He lived close to the family home which could explain the cell tower pinging, he was probably the only one Casey really trusted and felt understood her. Their relationship has always made me think this is just way not normal. Some blame his laugh as a nervous sign but I get a creep chill up my back. We may need to get out our flashlights and let out the hound dogs and start looking for him. No one has seen or heard from him since his deposition with M&M. Could he have left the state or country so he wouldn't have to testify against his sissy or face charges himself?
before i had a chance to listen to the recording of lee's interview, i read posts here describing his laugh... some were creeped out, others thought it was just a nervous laugh, when i finally got around to listeing for myself, i was shocked at the sound of his laugh. it wasn't what i would have described as a "nervous" type of laugh... it was downright eerie sounding! i wonder what his ordinary, everyday laugh sounds like? i know there are some normal people who have weird sounding laughs.

[Lavinia]

My hat's off to you, Lavinia. Amazing.

Okay, the little boo boo is up now and I promised her she can make breakfast for daddy. Yikes, wish us luck. BBL

Thanks, boo! Good luck with the breakfast, lol!

[snowflakes]

It was a male facility, boo. I can take the maximum security state and federal inmates but I'm not tough enough to work a woman's unit. :chicken: (Humor DOES help immensely in such a stressful setting! You laugh to keep you from screaming in terror, to paraphrase a famous saying, lol.)

So I guess the OC is in for a rude awakening when she has to leave her "room" and go to the Big House for good?:scared:

[AnnieBell]

Part of the constitutional arguments against death qualifying is in the selection itself ... those peers that would normally qualify to sit on the trial are knocked off strictly for their views with respect to the death penalty ...

"(1) the social science data tendered by respondent demonstrates that death-qualified juries are more pro-prosecution and unrepresentative than typical criminal juries and that death qualification impairs jury functioning; (2) the social science research has focused on the relevant categories of prospective jurors, including that subset of jurors excludable under Witherspoon v. Illinois, 391 U.S. 510 (1968); (3) social science research conducted over the course of three decades directly addresses the constitutional issues at stake and the data show that (a) death qualified juries are conviction prone, (b) the barring of Witherspoon excludable jury members creates unrepresentative juries, thereby implicating defendant's right to a jury composed from a fair cross-section of the community, (c) death qualification excludes a significantly large subset of the population, (d) those excluded through death qualification share common attitudes on issues related to criminal justice, (e) death qualification results in under representation on juries of blacks and women, and (f) the data suggests that death qualification interferes with the proper functioning of the jury; and (4) contrary to the States' criticisms, the social science data tendered by respondent satisfied applicable criteria for evaluating the soundness of scientific research. " Lockhart v. McCree, 476 U.S. 651


IMO

So wouldn't it also show that non DP jurors have a higher rate of verdicts of innocense? (b)how would someone willing to deciding the verdict of Death if they believe the individual actually committed the crime infringe on denying the constitutional rights of the convicted criminal.(c)the social science studies could be argued that it reflects significant bias in their results. Sorry but it sounds like a study that was perhaps backed by an organization such as the ACLU

[Lavinia]

So I guess the OC is in for a rude awakening when she has to leave her "room" and go to the Big House for good?:scared:

The OC is in for quite an education that's for sure. I think she'll still be in segregated housing at least for a time when she gets to prison. That makes MOST inmates crazy (ier) but some do well with it when they know they would be killed in GP. I haven't all the way decided how I think she will do but I *think* she will acclimate pretty well. :thumbdown:

[trich]

before i had a chance to listen to the recording of lee's interview, i read posts here describing his laugh... some were creeped out, others thought it was just a nervous laugh, when i finally got around to listeing for myself, i was shocked at the sound of his laugh. it wasn't what i would have described as a "nervous" type of laugh... it was downright eerie sounding! i wonder what his ordinary, everyday laugh sounds like? i know there are some normal people who have weird sounding laughs.

I think his laugh is strange sounding because it is a forced laugh and phoney as can be.

[girlspell]

It bothers me that George role in this is for putting on a show. You know, to turn on the angst and tears, etc. I don't think for a moment Cindy can cry. It seems too pact, that George is the one to weep over Caylee. I believe he loved her a great deal. After dealing with a disappointment of a daughter, Caylee was fresh air to him. I just feel that the person pulling his strings is Cindy. She's the one orchestrating this all.

Frustrating to us. Sigh...they don't ACT like normal grieving parents. If there is such a thing...

[snowflakes]

The OC is in for quite an education that's for sure. I think she'll still be in segregated housing at least for a time when she gets to prison. That makes MOST inmates crazy (ier) but some do well with it when they know they would be killed in GP. I haven't all the way decided how I think she will do but I *think* she will acclimate pretty well. :thumbdown:

I do too.
It'll probably be less stressful for her than having to cope with a baby,trying to get away with stealing, and making up lies about her life, day after day. Not to mention juggling boyfriends, her sex life, and her biggest obstacle, CINDY!!!

[summer]

The OC is in for quite an education that's for sure. I think she'll still be in segregated housing at least for a time when she gets to prison. That makes MOST inmates crazy (ier) but some do well with it when they know they would be killed in GP. I haven't all the way decided how I think she will do but I *think* she will acclimate pretty well. :thumbdown:

Hi Livinia! :seeya:

Sometimes I think there's a method to the madness of this family in that by creating such a sustained hoopla of outrageousness in the media they've ensured the perp will be segregated -- short term or hopefully (for them) long term from the general pop.

Without this circus I'm sure Casey would be put quietly in the normal system like so many others.

[summer]

I think his laugh is strange sounding because it is a forced laugh and phoney as can be.

It sure seems that way -- but I wonder why force a laugh? WEIRD time to do that!

[kelloggirl]

Here's my thought. Cindy knew when Casey knew, probably within the first three months. They spent the next several months arguing, negotiating, scheming... what to do... what to do.

Cindy and Casey could have together come up with the idea of telling Jesse the baby was his.

That fell through when Richard Grund insisted his son do a paternity test. They were outed so no reason for Casey to stay with Jesse anymore - she didn't want to in the first place.

Back to scheming, planning. Then comes the wedding. Well, for appearances sake they have to go as a family. What would it look like if Casey wasn't there? Or maybe Casey herself pleaded to go - she wanted a vacation too - she never got to go anywhere boo hoo - she could houdini-like hide her belly the same way she could walk cops down a hallway all the way to the door of a non-existent job.

OK then. It's a deal. Cindy and Casey have a united front. Casey is NOT pregnant and if any dope in the family says anything that's the story. Who cares what they think anyway?

Back to the ranch. Cindy tells Casey if she keeps the baby her life won't change. She will have help. Not just regular help but the gold-standard of help. Ok so she lied. Big whoop.

Casey agrees to keep the baby.

A few months after the birth Cindy bails on her promises and starts harrassing the hell out of Casey.

Casey is now totally and irrefutably stuck, trapped -- and she becomes more and more enraged. What can she do? She doesn't have the tools to live on her own. She sees a life of nothing but her and Caylee and Cindy and George holed up in that house for years to come.

She hates her mother. She hates her daughter. She hates her life.

The end.

Justathought.

Brilliant, Summer. Just spot on.

[summer]

Brilliant, Summer. Just spot on.

Thanks kelloggirl. It's a theory I've been tossing around in my mind a while.

This case makes me think the darndest things... :mad:

[Lavinia]

Hi Livinia! :seeya:

Sometimes I think there's a method to the madness of this family in that by creating such a sustained hoopla of outrageousness in the media they've ensured the perp will be segregated -- short term or hopefully (for them) long term from the general pop.

Without this circus I'm sure Casey would be put quietly in the normal system like so many others.
Hey summer! :seeya:

I would agree if I thought they think 2 seconds beyond the present. If it wasn't for the notoriety of this crime, I think she very well could be placed in GP upon sentencing. Talk about gladiator games! :scared:

[Imperfect4]

I don't think Cindy owed Casey anything more than respect, and regardless of what Cindy did for Casey and Cayley financially, she did not respect Casey. I have no idea what Cindy was trying to do when she denied that Casey was 7 months pregnant, but a decent mother and nurse does not pretend her own daughter is not pregnant. That is the ultimate in disrespect.

I think disrespect is a theme in the Anthony family.

They don't respect each other. They don't respect outsiders. They don't respect authority.

[summer]

Hey summer! :seeya:

I would agree if I thought they think 2 seconds beyond the present. If it wasn't for the notoriety of this crime, I think she very well could be placed in GP upon sentencing. Talk about gladiator games! :scared:

Absolutely nutso. See you all later and have a lovely dad's day. :smile:

[trich]

Thank you.

I think JB believed everything Casey said. I don't believe LKB and Lyon would take anything Casey said at face value....would they?

back to mowing...mow 15 minutes, take a break, mow 15 minutes.....dew point and humidity are 75% with no breeze

IMO it is all lies.....I don't think the defense believes for a minute she is innocent only if they can make a jury believe she is.
It is all a game IMO to win ...and they don't care if their client is guilty or not.
All this talk about her innocence is nothing but a smoke screen IMO.
Rmember all the things Garagos promised in the Peterson trial...
None of what he promised when he spoke to th epulbic did he ever produce....or at least most he did not.

[AlohaRainbow]

And basically both of them ended up doing the same thing. Casey kept going until she literally ran out of hallway. Cindy kept up the ruse until she literally ran out of gestation time.

excellent analogy!

[Lavinia]

I do too.
It'll probably be less stressful for her than having to cope with a baby,trying to get away with stealing, and making up lies about her life, day after day. Not to mention juggling boyfriends, her sex life, and her biggest obstacle, CINDY!!!
Where Casey is going is full of gangbangers. This is going to be one of her biggest problems: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=chola&page=2

[Unleashed]

Hey summer! :seeya:

I would agree if I thought they think 2 seconds beyond the present. If it wasn't for the notoriety of this crime, I think she very well could be placed in GP upon sentencing. Talk about gladiator games! :scared:

IF (he77 freezing over notwithstanding) a plea were to be offered and she took M2, would she still get seg, or would GP be her new home?
I'm guessing seg, just hoping for GP.
I'm mean that way.

JMO

[impartial]

IMO it is all lies.....I don't think the defense believes for a minute she is innocent only if they can make a jury believe she is.
It is all a game IMO to win ...and they don't care if their client is guilty or not.
All this talk about her innocence is nothing but a smoke screen IMO.
Rmember all the things Garagos promised in the Peterson trial...
None of what he promised when he spoke to th epulbic did he ever produce....or at least most he did not.


Geragos made a promise of proving Scott factually innocent in his opening statement, then didn't put on a defense because he thought the State didn't prove their case ... Never make a promise you can't/don't keep. The jury was waiting for Geragos to make good on his promise, and he closed up shop.

LKB and Lyons know that. Baez knows nothing.

IMO

[snowflakes]

Where Casey is going is full of gangbangers. This is going to be one of her biggest problems: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=chola&page=2:scared::scared::scared:

[Explorer]

Geragos made a promise of proving Scott factually innocent in his opening statement, then didn't put on a defense because he thought the State didn't prove their case ... Never make a promise you can't/don't keep. The jury was waiting for Geragos to make good on his promise, and he closed up shop.

LKB and Lyons know that. Baez knows nothing.

IMO

yes you are so right. He said he would prove someone else committed the crime. He fell short on that and lost all credibility with the jury.

[AlohaRainbow]

My thoughts for what they are worth:
*snip*
I can tolerate watching Cindy...better than George. There is something wrong with George. His fake sobs Friday, and carrying around Caylee's picture. Why would anyone come to court carrying her picture. I loved watching the Judge totally ignore George during his whining.
*snip*
i agree that it's easier to watch cindy in some ways than it is to watch george.
imo, george is passive/aggressive, which is a "sneaky" type of behavior, typically telling you to your face one thing, and then going behind your back and doing the opposite.

whereas cindy is much more open with her behavior... wysiwyg.. what you see is what you get with her. she may be obnoxious, but not as "sneaky" - she tells you to your face what she thinks.

[Unleashed]

I think disrespect is a theme in the Anthony family.

They don't respect each other. They don't respect outsiders. They don't respect authority.

But they will LEARN to respect Baez!!! :rolleyes:

jmo

[Imperfect4]

One year ago today ........ June 21, 2008

Maria Kissh said Casey hung out at Tone’s all weekend. She asked where Caylee was and Casey said at the beach with the nanny. Page 5 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Kissh%20%20Maria-0717.pdf

No text messages between Amy and Casey located in doc dumps.

Casey’s phone records http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2385297/Casey_Anthony_cell_records_615_to_716
Casey’s ping logs: http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=p6Pnw95vqOo-MgZ7Vsp9pYg&gid=6

Thanks as usual, desmom.

I'm curious as to why Casey and Amy weren't exchanging texts, suddenly.

Or do we think those have been held back by LE or the prosecution?

[Explorer]

:scared::scared::scared:

EEK Im scared just thinking about that.

[ConchGirl]

yes you are so right. He said he would prove someone else committed the crime. He fell short on that and lost all credibility with the jury.

Um, Jose has um already um lost um credibility um with um a potential um jury. :rolleyes:

[AlohaRainbow]

Here's my thought. Cindy knew when Casey knew, probably within the first three months. They spent the next several months arguing, negotiating, scheming... what to do... what to do.

Cindy and Casey could have together come up with the idea of telling Jesse the baby was his.
*snip*
Back to the ranch. Cindy tells Casey if she keeps the baby her life won't change. She will have help. Not just regular help but the gold-standard of help. Ok so she lied. Big whoop.

Casey agrees to keep the baby.

A few months after the birth Cindy bails on her promises and starts harrassing the hell out of Casey.
*snip*.
excellent thoughts :)
it seems like a pattern: when casey was in jail, cindy assured her that casey wouldn't have to work (after caylee was found and all was right with the world again)

[Imperfect4]

and what are you going to say....."I am a member of a message board and an anonymous member says she knows someone who knows someone that has said things that may or may not be true...."

you really know how to warm up to people.....:thumbdown:

Honestly! What is it with the hostility toward Snoopy50? I don't get it, and it's about to make me hostile. :mad:

[sunstar]

I'm still trying to fathom what JB has said that once the defense is shown, everyone will understand; as well as LKB saying that Casey will be exonerated ... strong words by LKB, normally the defense speaks in terms of reasonable doubt, not exoneration. Leads me to believe they have something, but I can't for the life of me figure out what they could have. They certainly can't use anything from the Anthony's, their credibility is zilch.

Premeditation is going to be tricky ... that's why I think the DA decided to go with the DP, so they can get a death qualified jury ... much more prone to convict.

IMO :seeya:
Hi! :seeya: I can't figure out what they're talking about either other than Baez believes every word Casey says. LKB I'm surprised about though because she has a lot more experience than he does, unless she thinks she can convince the jury that the forensic evidence is completely unreliable. I don't think there will be a problem with premeditation because of the duct tape. It would've taken time to wrap Caylee's head and also required an action on Casey's part to go find it since I doubt it was in the bedroom. :shrug: MOO

[Explorer]

Honestly! What is it with the hostility toward Snoopy50? I don't get it, and it's about to make me hostile. :mad:

They flew in from a different message board started trouble and then flew back out.

[kanzz]

i agree that it's easier to watch cindy in some ways than it is to watch george.
imo, george is passive/aggressive, which is a "sneaky" type of behavior, typically telling you to your face one thing, and then going behind your back and doing the opposite.

whereas cindy is much more open with her behavior... wysiwyg.. what you see is what you get with her. she may be obnoxious, but not as "sneaky" - she tells you to your face what she thinks.

I just wonder if George will be able to contain himself for the duration. Looks to me like he's fast approaching a blowout, but my guess is that he probably saves that until behind closed doors. I'd hate to be on the receiving end of it.

[Imperfect4]

Des, you think any expert hired by this defense team is actually looking for "the truth?" I don't, they are looking for any smoke, mirror or insinuation that will help free this babykiller.

BTW Des, what defense do you believe Lyon is going to go with?

I've been toying with the idea AL really had no idea what she stepped into when she signed onto this case.

I'm thinking Lyon, after a couple weeks bringing herself up to speed, looks like this ---> :scared:

[Lavinia]

IF (he77 freezing over notwithstanding) a plea were to be offered and she took M2, would she still get seg, or would GP be her new home?
I'm guessing seg, just hoping for GP.
I'm mean that way.

JMO

What crime she is sentenced for will have no difference to her housing status. No matter what, they will weigh the danger to Casey, the other inmates and staff in determining her housing status. They are bound by law to protect her life to the extent they can (and everyone else's). The prison administration has informers on the tiers, and they will get as much intelligence as they can through them what the buzz with the inmates is regarding Casey. Administration will have a pretty good idea if there is going to be a disruption in discipline if Casey were placed in GP or not and whether there are any credible threats to her well being. It is to everyone's benefit that she be kept safe. You don't exactly want to condone or commission inmates to start their own vigilante justice in there. That is not only detrimental to ALL the inmates, it is dangerous to the staff.

(Not to mention all the state of Fl. needs is Cindy breathing down their neck for a payday when the princess gets stabbed at chow.)

ETA: The only way her sentencing could make a difference, ironically, is if she gets convicted of a much more minor crime than the public believes she deserves. THAT is more likely to inflame the prison pop. than if she gets murder 1.

[imc_e]

Towards the end of the hearing, before George ran out of the court room, Cindy reached her hand to hold Georges, and he immediately pulled his hand as far away from her as he could.

Interesting body language.

Anyone else notice that?

[Imperfect4]

Good morning,
just getting caught up with this weeks events. I wached the hearing. George really poured it on, didn't he. Before he spoke to the judge I noticed he would do his best to place Caylee's picture so the press could get a good shot. I personaly gave his acting job a 6. Had I not witnessed his behavior for the past year I might of given him a 9. He worked it best he could I suppose. cindy refused to look at the judge, shaking her head, mumbling things. I was suprised she didn't blert out.. *This is unfair! Our pain and anquish should come before any of Florida's stupid laws. then, (finger shaking, eyes bulging.) YOU WILL PAY FOR THIS! Just like all the other maggots that go against us!
I also noticed george didn't seem to want his wife touching him. He couldn't get further away from her and remain in that chair if he tried. George couldn't maintain. He had to show how upset he was, jumping up, storming out. What a immature lying POS. These people need to be cleaning the sides of Floridas highways in little orange jackets for years to come. And Baez trying to pull that sneaky, I'll save this, nonsense just left me laughing. The judge and everyone else exited the courtroom as he stood there still yammering about,,,well,,,, nothing.
Then there's Brad.....lol lol lol wow Thank heavens he had cindy there to tell him what to say,,,, sheeesh. Maybe he should move cindy up to the table with him so she wont have to strain herself leaning over that rail to give her puppet directions.
What a bunch of knucklheads.
Trial should be very entertaining.

OMG, this post has me roaring! :lol:

[sunstar]

Thanks as usual, desmom.

I'm curious as to why Casey and Amy weren't exchanging texts, suddenly.

Or do we think those have been held back by LE or the prosecution?

Well, after all Casey was with Tony all weekend. Maybe she was too "busy" to think about Amy? :laugh:

[kanzz]

before i had a chance to listen to the recording of lee's interview, i read posts here describing his laugh... some were creeped out, others thought it was just a nervous laugh, when i finally got around to listeing for myself, i was shocked at the sound of his laugh. it wasn't what i would have described as a "nervous" type of laugh... it was downright eerie sounding! i wonder what his ordinary, everyday laugh sounds like? i know there are some normal people who have weird sounding laughs.

My first thought when I heard the clip, and I've been biting my tongue about it ever since, was that it sounded.. uh.. chemically enhanced. I've seen a lot of people who operate in that mode on a day-to-day basis. He's too animated, too loud, and too inappropriate. JMO

[Imperfect4]

Ah yes, we must always remember the quote by that defender of wife killers, Alan Dershowitz:


The defendant wants to hide the truth because he's generally guilty. The defense attorney's job is to make sure the jury does not arrive at that truth.

I am anxiously awaiting Lyon's motion regarding the death penalty, it will tip us off as to what route she's taking, imo.

My bolding ...

Grrrrr. :cursing:

[sunstar]

I've been toying with the idea AL really had no idea what she stepped into when she signed onto this case.

I'm thinking Lyon, after a couple weeks bringing herself up to speed, looks like this ---> :scared:

I know everybody's not glued to this case like we are, but since it seems it's been out there a while that Baez would need to recruit a death-qualified attorney, I'm surprised she wasn't more familiar with the case. Or maybe she just said that so she wouldn't have to talk to the media? MOO

[ConchGirl]

Towards the end of the hearing, before George ran out of the court room, Cindy reached her hand to hold Georges, and he immediately pulled his hand as far away from her as he could.

Interesting body language.

Anyone else notice that?
Do you blame him? I think he was mad that the OS attorney questioned him about his media appearances.

He also tells his precious wife to shut up in public. Things are not well in Casa de Anthony imo

[desmom]

No they wouldn't .. they also know they can't rely on Cindy and George either. So what is it that they believe will exonerate Casey? There are reasonable doubt arguments, but exoneration? Unless LKB swallowed the cool-aid, she has something.

IMO

Thanks.

LKB said again Friday on Greta's show she believes her client is innocent.

IIRC, her specialty is the forensics. Is she drinking the cool-aid or is there something in the reports we have missed or not seen yet? jmo

[ConchGirl]

Thanks.

LKB said again Friday on Greta's show she believes her client is innocent.

IIRC, her specialty is the forensics. Is she drinking the cool-aid or is there something in the reports we have missed or not seen yet? jmo

I think all of them are drinking whatever is in Cindy's bottle. jmo

[Unleashed]

Honestly! What is it with the hostility toward Snoopy50? I don't get it, and it's about to make me hostile. :mad:


A hostile Imp is not a good thing. :scared: Don't let them get you, I was just reading another thread here, one of them has no compassion or common sense whatsoever, but those blessings were replaced by a vicious tongue. :thumbdown:


jmo

[Imperfect4]

Ah, but you know how unconfrontational that Cindy is!!! In one of her taped interviews, she says she suspected Casey might be pregnant, but that she was waiting for Casey to come to her. Sure, Cindy, I'm betting Casey was really looking forward to have to tell you she is pregnant. I think (from Uncle Rick's saying that Casey wanted to put the baby up for adoption) that Casey would NEVER had said anything, but would have gone somewhere to have the baby and give her up. Altho Casey was a little naive to think no one could tell she was pregnant, and to think that Cindy would never confront her about it.

The whole pregnancy denial thing on the part of Casey AND her parents is another of many tipoffs, imo, that the House of Anthony was a freaking snake pit for a long, long time before Caylee's arrival.

I can't think of a scenario much sicker, more dysfunctional, or downright heinous than to have a well-along pregnant teenager living under the same roof as her mother the RN, and her father the ex-cop, and have NO ONE IN THAT HOUSE acknowledge the pregnancy.

And then to push that mess a step further by taking the freakshow on the road, to a family wedding for the love of God, and stand around with the pregnant teen with her "outie" bellybutton showing through her clothing (per Uncle Rick), and continue to DENY TO FAMILY MEMBERS the obvious pregnancy.

You'd never see this plot line in a book, movie, or even a TV soap opera, it's that completely incredible.

:scared:

[Lavinia]

The whole pregnancy denial thing on the part of Casey AND her parents is another of many tipoffs, imo, that the House of Anthony was a freaking snake pit for a long, long time before Caylee's arrival.

I can't think of a scenario much sicker, more dysfunctional, or downright heinous than to have a well-along pregnant teenager living under the same roof as her mother the RN, and her father the ex-cop, and have NO ONE IN THAT HOUSE acknowledge the pregnancy.

And then to push that mess a step further by taking the freakshow on the road, to a family wedding for the love of God, and stand around with the pregnant teen with her "outie" bellybutton showing through her clothing (per Uncle Rick), and continue to DENY TO FAMILY MEMBERS the obvious pregnancy.

You'd never see this plot line in a book, movie, or even a TV soap opera, it's that completely incredible.

:scared:

Word, word and so much WORD!

[Chardonnay]

I don't believe so, as they may be called back up for further testimony.
Our legal beagles can answer for sure.
I am sure they can't sit in before they testify, tho.


JMO

But I bet they'll be DVR'ing the whole trial to see what they're missing when they're not in the court room. jmo

[AnnieBell]

Towards the end of the hearing, before George ran out of the court room, Cindy reached her hand to hold Georges, and he immediately pulled his hand as far away from her as he could.

Interesting body language.

Anyone else notice that?

I did and noticed not only did he jerk his arm away but shifted his body away from her, he acted annoyed when Cindy whispered in his ear. He's more than likely getting ready to burst. The question will be what will he do? Take off again like a wimpering little boy or (imagine this) step up and behave like a real man with some cajones and tell the truth?

[Explorer]

I did and noticed not only did he jerk his arm away but shifted his body away from her, he acted annoyed when Cindy whispered in his ear. He's more than likely getting ready to burst. The question will be what will he do? Take off again like a wimpering little boy or (imagine this) step up and behave like a real man with some cajones and tell the truth?

I vote for he'll take off like a wimpering boy.

[Imperfect4]

my bold

Tragically, a child is murdered, and no-one takes responsibility.
That's what happens. :cursing:

JMO

Amen. :mad:

[AlohaRainbow]

My first thought when I heard the clip, and I've been biting my tongue about it ever since, was that it sounded.. uh.. chemically enhanced. I've seen a lot of people who operate in that mode on a day-to-day basis. He's too animated, too loud, and too inappropriate. JMO
that's an interesting thought about his laugh and behavior in general - and a pretty darn good description now that i think about it. brings to mind his reaction with the lady and the dog in front of casa de anthony - problem with impulse control

He's too animated, too loud, and too inappropriate.
i suppose that could be "better living through chemistry"... what also comes to mind is the mania part of bipolar.

[Unleashed]

What crime she is sentenced for will have no difference to her housing status. No matter what, they will weigh the danger to Casey, the other inmates and staff in determining her housing status. They are bound by law to protect her life to the extent they can (and everyone else's). The prison administration has informers on the tiers, and they will get as much intelligence as they can through them what the buzz with the inmates is regarding Casey. Administration will have a pretty good idea if there is going to be a disruption in discipline if Casey were placed in GP or not and whether there are any credible threats to her well being. It is to everyone's benefit that she be kept safe. You don't exactly want to condone or commission inmates to start their own vigilante justice in there. That is not only detrimental to ALL the inmates, it is dangerous to the staff.

(Not to mention all the state of Fl. needs is Cindy breathing down their neck for a payday when the princess gets stabbed at chow.)

ETA: The only way her sentencing could make a difference, ironically, is if she gets convicted of a much more minor crime than the public believes she deserves. THAT is more likely to inflame the prison pop. than if she gets murder 1.

Thanks, Lavinia. In that case, bring on M1 and DP.:thumbup:

HMO

[desmom]

Thanks as usual, desmom.

I'm curious as to why Casey and Amy weren't exchanging texts, suddenly.

Or do we think those have been held back by LE or the prosecution?

Not sure about the texts. There are several days missing. They may have been deleted off the phones or LE with held them for some unknown reason. jmo

[cassidy]

Um, Jose has um already um lost um credibility um with um a potential um jury. :rolleyes:

they umm would be able ummm to follow umm his train ummm of ummm thought, if he umm had one umm to begin umm with.

umm JMO

[Imperfect4]

Lots of people come from or live in a dysfunctional family. And, don't kill their own child. When(and I believe she will be) Casey is found Guilty by the Jury, then Andrea will get to argue all the excuses that she wants to. I wonder if Lyon ever thinks that this case could tarnish her record?

My bolding. Not intended for you personally, Sun. Just using your post to say this:

I'm weary to death of this response. I don't care how many screwed up families produce non-murderers.

So what? Screwed up families need to stop rolling the dice, and get themselves unscrewed.

It's the responsibility of parents to put their childrens' interests first. That includes raising them in a healthy environment. It also includes seeking outside help for them when they are showing signs of personality disorders.

To say that plenty of screwed up families produce non-murdering children is giving license to screwed up families to continue on screwed up, and if their screwiness happens to coincide with a psychopath offspring ... the outcome isn't their responsibility, because after all, plenty of screwed up families don't produce murderers.

Hope that made sense. Ack. :cursing:

[cassidy]

I did and noticed not only did he jerk his arm away but shifted his body away from her, he acted annoyed when Cindy whispered in his ear. He's more than likely getting ready to burst. The question will be what will he do? Take off again like a wimpering little boy or (imagine this) step up and behave like a real man with some cajones and tell the truth?

It's about time for George to stick a steel rod down his spine amd yank what's his off of Cindy's ears and do what's right by his granddaughter. It would be nice if someone in that family did. Come on George, you'll feel a whole lot better if you just get it all off your chest once and for all. At least move to Caylee's side of the courtroom.

JMO

[ConchGirl]

It's about time for George to stick a steel rod down his spine amd yank what's his off of Cindy's ears and do what's right by his granddaughter. It would be nice if someone in that family did. Come on George, you'll feel a whole lot better if you just get it all off your chest once and for all. At least move to Caylee's side of the courtroom.

JMO

I agree, but don't hold your breath because if he did that he would have to get a real job. :blink:

[Imperfect4]

No they wouldn't .. they also know they can't rely on Cindy and George either. So what is it that they believe will exonerate Casey? There are reasonable doubt arguments, but exoneration? Unless LKB swallowed the cool-aid, she has something.

IMO

Andrea Lyon referred to Casey as "innocent" as well.

Very interesting.

[Imperfect4]

before i had a chance to listen to the recording of lee's interview, i read posts here describing his laugh... some were creeped out, others thought it was just a nervous laugh, when i finally got around to listeing for myself, i was shocked at the sound of his laugh. it wasn't what i would have described as a "nervous" type of laugh... it was downright eerie sounding! i wonder what his ordinary, everyday laugh sounds like? i know there are some normal people who have weird sounding laughs.

The wailing and wrist kissing at "Caylee's memorial" was equally eerie.

Weird dude. :huh:

[Lavinia]

Andrea Lyon referred to Casey as "innocent" as well.

Very interesting.

Must be an outbreak of contagious brain tumors going around those folks.

[kanzz]

that's an interesting thought about his laugh and behavior in general - and a pretty darn good description now that i think about it. brings to mind his reaction with the lady and the dog in front of casa de anthony - problem with impulse control

He's too animated, too loud, and too inappropriate.
i suppose that could be "better living through chemistry"... what also comes to mind is the mania part of bipolar.

Could be. Something's haywire - just not sure what. His inappropriate laughter seemed to be more than just nervousness to me. I do remember thinking that some of it wasn't necessarily inappropriate, just over-exaggerated (possibly nervous); e.g. when he was talking about Casey lying about being in Jacksonville. My read on that was that he was truly laughing at her.

We probably all know people who laugh at odd times, and I don't have a problem with that necessarily. I've done that myself many times, and have been judged by others for it, but I don't care. But that's a different kind of laughter, imo, a giggle or even getting tickled to the point of having trouble reeling it in. That's the kind of thing that just seems to escape from a person. His was not what I would place in that category.

[kanzz]

Andrea Lyon referred to Casey as "innocent" as well.

Very interesting.

Well, technically, she is... until proven. It's just what I'd expect her to say.

[Scampi]

No they wouldn't .. they also know they can't rely on Cindy and George either. So what is it that they believe will exonerate Casey? There are reasonable doubt arguments, but exoneration? Unless LKB swallowed the cool-aid, she has something.

IMO


IMO, what they have is the "accident" defense. Since there are no witnesses to this, casey anthony can always claim Caylee died as the result of an accident and she panicked. Her defense team will spend this year twisting the evidence to reflect this, they will even slap the OC up on that stand to produce a credible story.

It will never work, but what else do they have, they are desperate.

Under this scenario, Baden and Lyon are correct, she is innocent of first degree murder.

[True2Blues]

they umm would be able ummm to follow umm his train ummm of ummm thought, if he umm had one umm to begin umm with.

umm JMO

:thumbsup: ummm yep.

[Imperfect4]

I know everybody's not glued to this case like we are, but since it seems it's been out there a while that Baez would need to recruit a death-qualified attorney, I'm surprised she wasn't more familiar with the case. Or maybe she just said that so she wouldn't have to talk to the media? MOO

I can't get a read yet.

I'll be interested to see her next move. Right off the bat, she lost ground with me by announcing on the courthouse steps the OC is "innocent" and the state is playing dirty pool putting the DP back on the table.

Imo, she has some credibility to regain after making those two inflammatory and seemingly uninformed statements to the media.

[sunstar]

Andrea Lyon referred to Casey as "innocent" as well.

Very interesting.

Isn't she innocent until proven guilty? I think the defense is speaking "technically" rather than what the really believe. I can't imagine someone with the legal experience of LKB or Lyon actually ignoring the evidence and accepting Casey's word as truth. MOO

[Imperfect4]

A hostile Imp is not a good thing. :scared: Don't let them get you, I was just reading another thread here, one of them has no compassion or common sense whatsoever, but those blessings were replaced by a vicious tongue. :thumbdown:


jmo

A hostile Imp generally results in a change of clothes. :rolleyes:

Thanks for the 411 on Le Trolls.

[sunstar]

I can't get a read yet.

I'll be interested to see her next move. Right off the bat, she lost ground with me by announcing on the courthouse steps the OC is "innocent" and the state is playing dirty pool putting the DP back on the table.

Imo, she has some credibility to regain after making those two inflammatory and seemingly uninformed statements to the media.

I can understand all the defense lawyers saying their client is innocent, if you look at it technically ~ like innocent until proven guilty, or innocent of 1st degree murder (as opposed to manslaughter, etc) ~ but to start in on the state "playing dirty pool" by reinstating the DP is a bit much especially when she admitted she wasn't up to speed on the case yet. I doubt she had read the autopsy report at that point. MOO

[crimeq]

Towards the end of the hearing, before George ran out of the court room, Cindy reached her hand to hold Georges, and he immediately pulled his hand as far away from her as he could.

Interesting body language.

Anyone else notice that?

I sure did, and of course I wondered what was behind it. Somehow I think it would have been related to something that happened that day, before the hearing. I haven't noticed that behavior in George before so I think he was particularly touchy about something that had just happened.

[Imperfect4]

that's an interesting thought about his laugh and behavior in general - and a pretty darn good description now that i think about it. brings to mind his reaction with the lady and the dog in front of casa de anthony - problem with impulse control

He's too animated, too loud, and too inappropriate.
i suppose that could be "better living through chemistry"... what also comes to mind is the mania part of bipolar.

There are obvious mental and/or personality disorders in his father, mother and sister. And he grew up among them. Under the circumstances, I don't find his behavior surprising.

(In fact, I'd be surprised if he acted normally, lol.)

[Chardonnay]

I don't know how to find the court calendar, but for some reason June 22 is stuck in my mind. Does anyone know if anything is happening tomorrow? Didn't JB or AL as for an delay for something? tia

[imc_e]

Do you blame him? I think he was mad that the OS attorney questioned him about his media appearances.

He also tells his precious wife to shut up in public. Things are not well in Casa de Anthony imo

Yes and I think he was mad at Cindy for putting him up to having to plead to the court for the autopsy report to be sealed until trial.

He may have agreed to read his statement in Judges chambers, away from the camera, but in the end he was in the 'spotlight'.

[imc_e]

I did and noticed not only did he jerk his arm away but shifted his body away from her, he acted annoyed when Cindy whispered in his ear. He's more than likely getting ready to burst. The question will be what will he do? Take off again like a wimpering little boy or (imagine this) step up and behave like a real man with some cajones and tell the truth?


At some point I still hope that George does the right thing for Caylee.

Some say he would have to get a real job if he didn't have Cindy, BUT I think she is going to toss George anyhow, when she is done with him.

jmo

[Imperfect4]

Must be an outbreak of contagious brain tumors going around those folks.

What's that cable show ... "Medical Incredible"?? :laugh:

So much about this case is just downright mysterious.

[Imperfect4]

Well, technically, she is... until proven. It's just what I'd expect her to say.

I struggle to hold the expectation I'll be deliberately lied to by this group of "seekers of the truth."

[desmom]

Isn't she innocent until proven guilty? I think the defense is speaking "technically" rather than what the really believe. I can't imagine someone with the legal experience of LKB or Lyon actually ignoring the evidence and accepting Casey's word as truth. MOO

And it probably would not fair well with a jury pool if Casey's attorneys said they anything other than "we believe our client is innocent." :tonguewag:

[TunaMelt]

Originally Posted by Scampi View Post
Ah yes, we must always remember the quote by that defender of wife killers, Alan Dershowitz:


The defendant wants to hide the truth because he's generally guilty. The defense attorney's job is to make sure the jury does not arrive at that truth.

I am anxiously awaiting Lyon's motion regarding the death penalty, it will tip us off as to what route she's taking, imo.

Imperfect4[/B];13212070]My bolding ...

Grrrrr.

Now, isn't that just plain WRONG, what Dershowitz said? That is just not RIGHT, it's a flaw in reasoning that's evolved over time. From everyone deserves a fair trial and adequate counsel TO get the guy off no matter how guilty and dangerous he is.

How wrong is that? There's no logic in it. And it gets a lot of bad and dangerous people off the hook and back into society. :cursing:

It just ain't right.
:mad:

[aino]

Hope I haven't dreamt this but many months ago Cindy mentioned in her FBI interview that the worst crisis of their family before this was Lee 's long hospitalization. She gave the reason for this ( some illness) but I didn't understand it maybe because I'm not a native English speaker or rather listerner in this case . Sorry can't give link because there is so much material . Anyway Lee is the one A-family member I really feel sad for. I really hope he has moved out to live his life with the girlfriend maybe in some other state.

[ConchGirl]

At some point I still hope that George does the right thing for Caylee.

Some say he would have to get a real job if he didn't have Cindy, BUT I think she is going to toss George anyhow, when she is done with him.

jmo

I wonder if Cindy's rock Dominic is still in the picture?

[imc_e]

I agree, but don't hold your breath because if he did that he would have to get a real job. :blink:

The foundation where they exploit Caylee, is not going to be the retirement cash cow they hope it will be. It will fail.

George will be forced to work at some point, imo.

AND I think if he does the right thing for Caylee, and separated himself from the lies, comes forward with the truth about everything he knows, comes clean, he could end up getting a book deal in the end, and it just might secure some kind of income for himself.

But he'd have to dump Cindy to accomplish those things.

JMO

[imc_e]

I wonder if Cindy's rock Dominic is still in the picture?

Thats a good question.

Her hand holder, her rock!

aww:wub:

[Postergeist]

apologies for popping onto this thread as I've been trying to read thru the past 2 days of threads and since they are now locked I wanted to address something that Grins posted more than once.

Apparently he feels that Caylee's body was placed in the woods sometime after Casey was arrested, on house arrest or in jail and he is going by the words of Ms. Wray.

The gist of the posts seemed to be because Ms. Wray "said so" it must be true- because she said she looked in the "exact same area" that Caylee's body was found and since SHE didn't discover the body, then Caylee must not have been there during her alleged numerous searches.

here's some info on Joy Wray

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-pg-caylee-anthony-search-110808,0,1707587.photogallery?index=orl-caylee_search_3_20081108172030

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/061209joy_wray_transcript/1/lg/6372-6416_Page_45.htm

the scared monkeys forum has plenty to say about her and I'll leave that up to others to google for that link

she's been mentioned on a topix forum

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/orlando-fl/TB474480JEPAVPUT9

http://www.cayleedaily.com/2009/06/blogger-cindy-called-casey-sociopath/

The incident report from Wray’s interview and submission of photos said, “It should be noted that Joy admitted to me of being Baker Acted five times.”



It's not so much about people that have an alliance with Joy Wray or others that inserted themselves into the murder of Caylee but about what Tim Miller and Nancy Grace said last year-

something that can't be refuted- Mother Nature-

for those that care to brush up on the weather for 2008

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/2008/hurricanes08.html

then of course there is the recent doc release of plants, roots, leaves, etc. and all that science gathered with the remains discovered in Dec.


(imo- I just didn't feel the need to write a poem about this info- hope that's ok)

[Imperfect4]

I can understand all the defense lawyers saying their client is innocent, if you look at it technically ~ like innocent until proven guilty, or innocent of 1st degree murder (as opposed to manslaughter, etc) ~ but to start in on the state "playing dirty pool" by reinstating the DP is a bit much especially when she admitted she wasn't up to speed on the case yet. I doubt she had read the autopsy report at that point. MOO

Just to clarify ... "dirty pool" is my term, not Lyon's. She implied the state's move in putting the DP back on the table was for reasons of strategy rather than a belief in the OC's guilt.

I guess, if I must listen to the "innocent" word out of the mouths of the defense, I'd prefer they say the entire phrase ("innocent until proven guilty"), or "innocent of the crime of first degree murder."

At a minimum, Casey is guilty of child neglect resulting in the murder of her daughter. She's not "innocent."

[TunaMelt]

I did and noticed not only did he jerk his arm away but shifted his body away from her, he acted annoyed when Cindy whispered in his ear. He's more than likely getting ready to burst. The question will be what will he do? Take off again like a wimpering little boy or (imagine this) step up and behave like a real man with some cajones and tell the truth?

He'll be just the same spineless jellyfish we've come to know.
Cindy will have calmed him down real quick as soon as they got in the car.
One good tongue lashing and he backs down like the wimp he is.

[Unleashed]

A hostile Imp generally results in a change of clothes. :rolleyes:

Thanks for the 411 on Le Trolls.

YVW. I like your dress. :laugh:

[Imperfect4]

I wonder if Cindy's rock Dominic is still in the picture?

Seems DCasey has gone so far underground he's digging his way to China.

[AnnieBell]

Hope I haven't dreamt this but many months ago Cindy mentioned in her FBI interview that the worst crisis of their family before this was Lee 's long hospitalization. She gave the reason for this ( some illness) but I didn't understand it maybe because I'm not a native English speaker or rather listerner in this case . Sorry can't give link because there is so much material . Anyway Lee is the one A-family member I really feel sad for. I really hope he has moved out to live his life with the girlfriend maybe in some other state.

OK gang here we go again,someone feeling sorry or sad for any member of this *****gang.

[desmom]

Hope I haven't dreamt this but many months ago Cindy mentioned in her FBI interview that the worst crisis of their family before this was Lee 's long hospitalization. She gave the reason for this ( some illness) but I didn't understand it maybe because I'm not a native English speaker or rather listerner in this case . Sorry can't give link because there is so much material . Anyway Lee is the one A-family member I really feel sad for. I really hope he has moved out to live his life with the girlfriend maybe in some other state.

hmmm, I remember that because I looked it and for the life of me I can't remember what it was.

I believe Lee said he moved home with his parents after his lease expired and to help them with expenses.

jmo

[Lavinia]

apologies for popping onto this thread as I've been trying to read thru the past 2 days of threads and since they are now locked I wanted to address something that Grins posted more than once.

Apparently he feels that Caylee's body was placed in the woods sometime after Casey was arrested, on house arrest or in jail and he is going by the words of Ms. Wray.

The gist of the posts seemed to be because Ms. Wray "said so" it must be true- because she said she looked in the "exact same area" that Caylee's body was found and since SHE didn't discover the body, then Caylee must not have been there during her alleged numerous searches.

here's some info on Joy Wray

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-pg-caylee-anthony-search-110808,0,1707587.photogallery?index=orl-caylee_search_3_20081108172030

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/061209joy_wray_transcript/1/lg/6372-6416_Page_45.htm

the scared monkeys forum has plenty to say about her and I'll leave that up to others to google for that link

she's been mentioned on a topix forum

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/orlando-fl/TB474480JEPAVPUT9

http://www.cayleedaily.com/2009/06/blogger-cindy-called-casey-sociopath/



It's not so much about people that have an alliance with Joy Wray or others that inserted themselves into the murder of Caylee but about what Tim Miller and Nancy Grace said last year-

something that can't be refuted- Mother Nature-

for those that care to brush up on the weather for 2008

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/2008/hurricanes08.html

then of course there is the recent doc release of plants, roots, leaves, etc. and all that science gathered with the remains discovered in Dec.


(imo- I just didn't feel the need to write a poem about this info- hope that's ok)

:ohmy::lol:

[Imperfect4]

He'll be just the same spineless jellyfish we've come to know.
Cindy will have calmed him down real quick as soon as they got in the car.
One good tongue lashing and he backs down like the wimp he is.

Imo, George will never step up. If he was ever going to, that time is long gone. I think even if he and Cindy were to split, he'd continue to parrot the party line.

[Lavinia]

Hope I haven't dreamt this but many months ago Cindy mentioned in her FBI interview that the worst crisis of their family before this was Lee 's long hospitalization. She gave the reason for this ( some illness) but I didn't understand it maybe because I'm not a native English speaker or rather listerner in this case . Sorry can't give link because there is so much material . Anyway Lee is the one A-family member I really feel sad for. I really hope he has moved out to live his life with the girlfriend maybe in some other state.

Aino, Lee had drug-induced thrombocytopenic purpura as a result of taking Accutane years ago. It's a platelet disorder and he had a full recovery apparently.

http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/dci/Diseases/Itp/ITP_WhatIs.html

[ConchGirl]

Hope I haven't dreamt this but many months ago Cindy mentioned in her FBI interview that the worst crisis of their family before this was Lee 's long hospitalization. She gave the reason for this ( some illness) but I didn't understand it maybe because I'm not a native English speaker or rather listerner in this case . Sorry can't give link because there is so much material . Anyway Lee is the one A-family member I really feel sad for. I really hope he has moved out to live his life with the girlfriend maybe in some other state.

I don't feel sorry for Lee one bit. He lied under oath stating that "to this day I believe everything my sister tells me" His girlfriend Mallory's mother is on the CMA foundation as a board member. Like his mother, he has destroyed memorials left in Caylee's honor. I won't be joining you on the pity parade for Lee. According to a poster who lives nearby the Anthony's Lee is living on Hopespring Dr. with his parents. jmo

[Lavinia]

What's that cable show ... "Medical Incredible"?? :laugh:

So much about this case is just downright mysterious.

:laugh::laugh:

[sunstar]

And it probably would not fair well with a jury pool if Casey's attorneys said they anything other than "we believe our client is innocent." :tonguewag:

Exactly! Their job is to defend their client and it sure wouldn't leave much doubt in the jury's mind if Casey's lawyers were on the same page with the prosecutor. :scared: MOO

[TunaMelt]

Imo, George will never step up. If he was ever going to, that time is long gone. I think even if he and Cindy were to split, he'd continue to parrot the party line.

:thumbup:

I agree with you.
I like your outfit BTW.
Did ya buy it at Tarjay?
:w00t:

[AnnieBell]

Imo, George will never step up. If he was ever going to, that time is long gone. I think even if he and Cindy were to split, he'd continue to parrot the party line.

What was I thinking???? you are sooo right and we all know his willingness and ability to work, just look at his work history, so Cindy's grip on his cajones will never loosen. Looks like his only family, friends and employment will be with the likes of the Milsteads, Barts, (future son-inlaw)Baez, Conway and big ol' DC all because Cindy says to.

[Postergeist]

I don't feel sorry for Lee one bit. He lied under oath stating that "to this day I believe everything my sister tells me" His girlfriend Mallory's mother is on the CMA foundation as a board member. Like his mother, he has destroyed memorials left in Caylee's honor. I won't be joining you on the pity parade for Lee. According to a poster who lives nearby the Anthony's Lee is living on Hopespring Dr. with his parents. jmo

I remember the "I believe" statement! :ohmy:

and wasn't he the one that spent about 2 hours at Tony's deleting things from Casey's/Cindy's laptop as well the night that Cindy & George got the car and Cindy tracked down Casey?

[ConchGirl]

I remember the "I believe" statement! :ohmy:

and wasn't he the one that spent about 2 hours at Tony's deleting things from Casey's/Cindy's laptop as well the night that Cindy & George got the car and Cindy tracked down Casey?

Let's not forget the wrist slobbering moment at the memorial where he chanted CMA, CMA, CMA, you taught be how to live. I'm so proud of you.

King: WEIRD

[101Spots]

Let's not forget the wrist slobbering moment at the memorial where he chanted CMA, CMA, CMA, you taught be how to live. I'm so proud of you.

King: WEIRD


Spots: BEYOND WEIRD

[Postergeist]

Let's not forget the wrist slobbering moment at the memorial where he chanted CMA, CMA, CMA, you taught be how to live. I'm so proud of you.

King: WEIRD


extremely weird! Especially after the We Love Casey Pep Rally the dep. for Annie D. was released and IRRC it was her that said that Lee wasn't a guy that was crazy about kids, or something like that. That he wasn't into kids much and that included Caylee. So maybe he wasn't a regular feature in Caylee's daily life and more an uncle in name only- just do the obligatory show ups for holidays and birthdays.

[MissouriGMom]

Let's not forget the wrist slobbering moment at the memorial where he chanted CMA, CMA, CMA, you taught be how to live. I'm so proud of you.

King: WEIRD

Yuck! I tried cut him some slack until that memorial. That was it for me. They're all nuts!

Ms. Lyon better talk KC into a plea deal, or she's going to death row. The average wait in FL is about 13 years. That will put her at about 35 when she gets the needle. jmoo

[sunstar]

Let's not forget the wrist slobbering moment at the memorial where he chanted CMA, CMA, CMA, you taught me how to live. I'm so proud of you.

King: WEIRD
(bolding mine)

I agree that was one of the strangest comments I've heard. I could understand him addressing it to his mother, but to his partying/lying/stealing sister who is accused of murder and to his niece, a child who didn't even reach age 3? MOO

[ConchGirl]

Yuck! I tried cut him some slack until that memorial. That was it for me. They're all nuts!

Ms. Lyon better talk KC into a plea deal, or she's going to death row. The average wait in FL is about 13 years. That will put her at about 35 when she gets the needle. jmoo

I hope I'm still around to see it. :thumbup:

[Mamie]

Imo, George will never step up. If he was ever going to, that time is long gone. I think even if he and Cindy were to split, he'd continue to parrot the party line.

I agree. As far as he would go would be to just stay silent. But to admit to what he knows to be exact truth, would mean he'd have to admit to lying, not to mention the hindering of an official investigation-----so my guess is that's not going to happen. JMO

[bchand]

Hope I haven't dreamt this but many months ago Cindy mentioned in her FBI interview that the worst crisis of their family before this was Lee 's long hospitalization. She gave the reason for this ( some illness) but I didn't understand it maybe because I'm not a native English speaker or rather listerner in this case . Sorry can't give link because there is so much material . Anyway Lee is the one A-family member I really feel sad for. I really hope he has moved out to live his life with the girlfriend maybe in some other state.

Hi aino. IIRC he had a very bad reaction to some type of acne medication and was homebound for quite a while.

He moved back IN with George & Cindy now, last we heard.

He gets no sympathy from me either for a myriad of reasons. Not the least is "CMA CMA CMAAAAA".

Goofball.

eta: N/M Lavinia explained the illness very very well.

[MissouriGMom]

I hope I'm still around to see it. :thumbup:

Me too. I'll be retired long before then. Maybe I'll take a FL vacation for the event.

:wink:

[101Spots]

I hope I'm still around to see it. :thumbup:

I'll save you a rocking chair in the Old Folks Home. I'm not going until I see the end of this.

[Lavinia]

Hotwire has emailed me room rates for $18-68 for OrLawnDoe in Oct., 2-4 stars. :w00t: Too bad we won't have the trial then. :glare:

[imc_e]

Hi aino. IIRC he had a very bad reaction to some type of acne medication and was homebound for quite a while.

He moved back IN with George & Cindy now, last we heard.

He gets no sympathy from me either for a myriad of reasons. Not the least is "CMA CMA CMAAAAA".

Goofball.

eta: N/M Lavinia explained the illness very very well.

All sympathy for Lee was lost permanently when he LAUGHED about Caylee's decomposition smells, and tore down memorials.

[Lavinia]

I'll save you a rocking chair in the Old Folks Home. I'm not going until I see the end of this.

Straight from The Cranky Corner into The Old Folks Home. :glare:

[sunstar]

Hotwire has emailed me room rates for $18-68 for OrLawnDoe in Oct., 2-4 stars. :w00t: Too bad we won't have the trial then. :glare:

Maybe at this rate, October 2010! :laugh:

[Postergeist]

that's an interesting thought about his laugh and behavior in general - and a pretty darn good description now that i think about it. brings to mind his reaction with the lady and the dog in front of casa de anthony - problem with impulse control

He's too animated, too loud, and too inappropriate.
i suppose that could be "better living through chemistry"... what also comes to mind is the mania part of bipolar.

question on the laughter- can that also be found with schizophrenia?

(asking because I was recently in the presence of a person that did a lengthy laff session & he is DX with that)

[seeing_eye]

Exactly! Don't excuse GA or CA for their actions and how they have seemed to be able to live comfortably without working now, but I don't for one second blame them for Casey taking little Kaylee's life. Casey made that choice. Lots of dyfunctional families in this world but they still don't murder their children. No family is perfect. There were lots of different directions Casey could have taken but she chose to take the selfish ones. I honestly think we are born with empathy or we are not. There has to be some reason that some can so callously take a child and be so cruel. George and Cindy both live in denial and feel so guilty that it seems to me they have to play it the way they are or otherwise they couldn't live themselves. I know if a child of mine did what Casey did I always would feel like some where along the line I had failed as a parent, which seems like something neither one are able to admit.. They neither one will ever be happy with all the money they are making off of Kaylee's death, life as they knew it is over. I actually pity them.

I do not believe G&C have ever been in denial. They knew from day 31 that Caylee was dead and that Casey murdered her. They started out in cover-up mode to try to protect Casey, but quickly switched to greedy mode. JMO

[Lavinia]

Maybe at this rate, October 2010! :laugh:

Maybe, lol. I'll just bide my time and save my little pennies. :wink:

[101Spots]

Straight from The Cranky Corner into The Old Folks Home. :glare:

Yup. Stool-in-the-corner straight to the rocking chair. Show some respect, young person, and maybe you'll be that lucky, too.

[aino]

Lavivia, thank you for the syndrome information ( never heard of such a thing). Agree that Lee's statements are weird. Hope he's seeing a counselor otherwise he'll get drowned in the madness of that household.( My younger son is his age and has a lovely wife and an interesting, well paying job, a house of their own etc. Poor Lee is mixed up in this horrible tragedy because of love and loyalty towards Casey and obviously cannot even dream of moving on for a long time.)

[Unleashed]

I'll save you a rocking chair in the Old Folks Home. I'm not going until I see the end of this.

Me too, please. And lots of depends. I'm not leaving the TV room. :laugh:

jmo

[Lavinia]

Yup. Stool-in-the-corner straight to the rocking chair. Show some respect, young person, and maybe you'll be that lucky, too.

Yup. Life's a biotch and then you die. :crying:

(Quick! Someone tell a joke! Debbie and Darlene Downer are here!)

[kanzz]

question on the laughter- can that also be found with schizophrenia?

(asking because I was recently in the presence of a person that did a lengthy laff session & he is DX with that)

yes. it fits.

[Lavinia]

Lavivia, thank you for the syndrome information ( never heard of such a thing). Agree that Lee's statements are weird. Hope he's seeing a counselor otherwise he'll get drowned in the madness of that household.( My younger son is his age and has a lovely wife and an interesting, well paying job, a house of their own etc. Poor Lee is mixed up in this horrible tragedy because of love and loyalty towards Casey and obviously cannot even dream of moving on for a long time.)

You're very welcome, aino. I'm afraid whether deserved or not, Lee has lost many options that he might have ordinarily had in life, were it not for this. So many lives ruined.

[sunstar]

Maybe, lol. I'll just bide my time and save my little pennies. :wink:

I think you probably have at least a year to work on that! :wink:

[trich]

I don't feel sorry for Lee one bit. He lied under oath stating that "to this day I believe everything my sister tells me" His girlfriend Mallory's mother is on the CMA foundation as a board member. Like his mother, he has destroyed memorials left in Caylee's honor. I won't be joining you on the pity parade for Lee. According to a poster who lives nearby the Anthony's Lee is living on Hopespring Dr. with his parents. jmo

Exactly!
There is no compassion from me for any of the Anthonys due to their behavior.
They are all liars and really not nice people.
their behavior has been video taped and recorded ...there is no denying
their ugliness.

I think Lee is living with his parents because he has a lousy parking job and he can't pay his bills either.
They are all leeches IMO .....
But in saying that they all deserve each other.

[SoggyBayou]

Preview on Fox News promo that GR will comment on the Casey Anthony case. Check your local listing.

I could not find a link, just heard during commercial break.
Not that he would have much to offer.

[Lavinia]

I think you probably have at least a year to work on that! :wink:

Maybe they'll have a 5 star hotel to pick from then. :wink:

[Katprint]

Just to clarify ... "dirty pool" is my term, not Lyon's. She implied the state's move in putting the DP back on the table was for reasons of strategy rather than a belief in the OC's guilt.

I guess, if I must listen to the "innocent" word out of the mouths of the defense, I'd prefer they say the entire phrase ("innocent until proven guilty"), or "innocent of the crime of first degree murder."

At a minimum, Casey is guilty of child neglect resulting in the murder of her daughter. She's not "innocent."
The presumption of innocence until guilt is proven beyond a reasonable doubt is merely a jury instruction. (See http://faculty.cua.edu/pennington/Law508/InnocentGuilty.htm for further historical information.) There are LOTS of jury instructions out there, thousands of them. Standard and special jury instructions. Civil and criminal jury instructions. State and federal jury instructions.

People who are on juries take an oath to follow the jury instructions. However, people who are not on juries (i.e. the rest of us) have no obligation to follow jury instructions; they can do whatever they want. They don't have to keep an open mind.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Imperfect4]

:thumbup:

I agree with you.
I like your outfit BTW.
Did ya buy it at Tarjay?
:w00t:

I did! (with a stolen check from saywhat :sneaky:)

[crimeq]

I don't feel sorry for Lee one bit. He lied under oath stating that "to this day I believe everything my sister tells me" His girlfriend Mallory's mother is on the CMA foundation as a board member. Like his mother, he has destroyed memorials left in Caylee's honor. I won't be joining you on the pity parade for Lee. According to a poster who lives nearby the Anthony's Lee is living on Hopespring Dr. with his parents. jmo

And the homeless Milsteads, since their house was foreclosed. Must be a cramped household at the Ants.

[5boxersmom]

Preview on Fox News promo that GR will comment on the Casey Anthony case. Check your local listing.

I could not find a link, just heard during commercial break.
Not that he would have much to offer.

Wonder if JB will be one? I predicted one of them would show up on GR this weekend.

:biggrin:

imo

[5boxersmom]

And the homeless Milsteads, since their house was foreclosed. Must be a cramped household at the Ants.

Do they really live there with the Anthony's? :scared:

[trich]

the presumption of innocence until guilt is proven beyond a reasonable doubt is merely a jury instruction. (see http://faculty.cua.edu/pennington/law508/innocentguilty.htm for further historical information.) there are lots of jury instructions out there, thousands of them. Standard and special jury instructions. Civil and criminal jury instructions. State and federal jury instructions.

People who are on juries take an oath to follow the jury instructions. However, people who are not on juries (i.e. The rest of us) have no obligation to follow jury instructions; they can do whatever they want. They don't have to keep an open mind.

Katprint
always only my own opinions



works for me!!!!

[ConchGirl]

Lavivia, thank you for the syndrome information ( never heard of such a thing). Agree that Lee's statements are weird. Hope he's seeing a counselor otherwise he'll get drowned in the madness of that household.( My younger son is his age and has a lovely wife and an interesting, well paying job, a house of their own etc. Poor Lee is mixed up in this horrible tragedy because of love and loyalty towards Casey and obviously cannot even dream of moving on for a long time.)

Here's Mallory's myspace that was updated yesterday.
"Mally-Bu! is heading out for her surprise weekend **I will forever miss you, Caylee Marie**"
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=33318424

[crimeq]

Hi aino. IIRC he had a very bad reaction to some type of acne medication and was homebound for quite a while.

He moved back IN with George & Cindy now, last we heard.

He gets no sympathy from me either for a myriad of reasons. Not the least is "CMA CMA CMAAAAA".

Goofball.

eta: N/M Lavinia explained the illness very very well.

Yeah, and that acne problem caused Lee to lose faith in God, according to Cindy, and IIRC.

[Imperfect4]

Hotwire has emailed me room rates for $18-68 for OrLawnDoe in Oct., 2-4 stars. :w00t: Too bad we won't have the trial then. :glare:

Dagnabbit!

Looks like that's a good (slow tourist) week to be in OrLawnDoe! :mad:

[kanzz]

The presumption of innocence until guilt is proven beyond a reasonable doubt is merely a jury instruction. (See http://faculty.cua.edu/pennington/Law508/InnocentGuilty.htm for further historical information.) There are LOTS of jury instructions out there, thousands of them. Standard and special jury instructions. Civil and criminal jury instructions. State and federal jury instructions.

People who are on juries take an oath to follow the jury instructions. However, people who are not on juries (i.e. the rest of us) have no obligation to follow jury instructions; they can do whatever they want. They don't have to keep an open mind.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Thank you. I like validation, and I like how you say it.

:wink:

[Imperfect4]

All sympathy for Lee was lost permanently when he LAUGHED about Caylee's decomposition smells, and tore down memorials.

I liked it, though, when he got all macho with that one lady's sign (the lady with the dog), and the sign bested him. :lol:

~ I Fought the Sign and the Sign Won ~ :lol:

Sign: 1
Middle Finger: 0

:lol:

[bchand]

All sympathy for Lee was lost permanently when he LAUGHED about Caylee's decomposition smells, and tore down memorials.

AND threw the dog's water away.

[Sandy001]

We are all shocked about tape being used on Caylee. It is not something new.....

Child's mouth taped shut at martial arts camp
http://www.wellsphere.com/martial-arts-article/child-s-mouth-taped-shut-at-martial-arts-camp/401433

Officials: Neo-natal nurse taped pacifier to child's mouth
http://www.wistv.com/global/story.asp?s=10323958

Newborn Found with Pacifier Taped in Mouth, Nursery Shutdown
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,298228,00.html

Lawsuit: Durham Teacher Taped Child's Mouth Shut
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/158486/


Metro teacher suspended for taping child's mouth shut
http://www.nospank.net/n-s23.htm

Another Teacher Stuck in a Tape Investigation
http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Another-Prince-Georges-Teacher-Stuck-in-Duct-Tape-Investigation.html
And that alone will get her child endangerment at the least, possibly criminal neglect. Casey is NOT gonna go free.

[Lavinia]

Dagnabbit!

Looks like that's a good (slow tourist) week to be in OrLawnDoe! :mad:

Yeah, we'll probably get Spring Break rates. :cursing:

[crimeq]

Do they really live there with the Anthony's? :scared:

That's what we've been hearing, yes. Amazing, huh!

C&G should be looking at that to see the perfect model for how well sleazy, fraudulent FUNDations do NOT pay.

[Postergeist]

yes. it fits.

thank you! (I actually got hollered at by 2 people that thought I "put myself in danger" for giving him a ride home)


I was searching back thru the pages and darn if I can find the posts, so I apologize in advance to the posters that mentioned George having the framed pic of Caylee in court this week.

That got me to thinking- George has been the only one to be consistent in wearing the Caylee button right? Did Lee wear one at the church pep rally?

It does seem like they have decided- George will represent Caylee in buttons or framed pics, and Cindy will represent Casey with her green garments, shamrock pins and then what was that she wore this week on TV on her CBS interview- some sort of Smiley Face Daisy flower long pendant that said "i love you" at the bottom?

[Imperfect4]

Preview on Fox News promo that GR will comment on the Casey Anthony case. Check your local listing.

I could not find a link, just heard during commercial break.
Not that he would have much to offer.

Great. Another Baez infomercial. :rolleyes:

[5boxersmom]

That's what we've been hearing, yes. Amazing, huh!

C&G should be looking at that to see the perfect model for how well sleazy, fraudulent FUNDations do NOT pay.

Yes it is. I don't want anyone living with me. Family maybe if they had to but not anyone else. :biggrin:

Maybe this wouldn't be happening if they didn't buy such an expensive house. Oh well at least they got the boat. :biggrin:

jmo

[MissouriGMom]

Great. Another Baez infomercial. :rolleyes:

Dang it. I just set GR at Large on record. I couldn't help myself. :w00t:

[Imperfect4]

The presumption of innocence until guilt is proven beyond a reasonable doubt is merely a jury instruction. (See http://faculty.cua.edu/pennington/Law508/InnocentGuilty.htm for further historical information.) There are LOTS of jury instructions out there, thousands of them. Standard and special jury instructions. Civil and criminal jury instructions. State and federal jury instructions.

People who are on juries take an oath to follow the jury instructions. However, people who are not on juries (i.e. the rest of us) have no obligation to follow jury instructions; they can do whatever they want. They don't have to keep an open mind.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Thanks, kp.

So if you were Andrea Lyon, would you have proclaimed Casey Anthony "innocent" on the courthouse steps, to the media?

[sunstar]

Preview on Fox News promo that GR will comment on the Casey Anthony case. Check your local listing.

I could not find a link, just heard during commercial break.
Not that he would have much to offer.

Thanks for the heads up! Maybe he'll have his BFF Jose or LKB on the show ~ again. :biggrin:

[Unleashed]

Yeah, we'll probably get Spring Break rates. :cursing:

Heck, by the time it comes to trial, we should get Senior's rates!

[sunstar]

AND threw the dog's water away.

That one really got to me. :cursing:

[Imperfect4]

Here's Mallory's myspace that was updated yesterday.
"Mally-Bu! is heading out for her surprise weekend **I will forever miss you, Caylee Marie**"
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=33318424

You know, she's cute. But she's no 10.

:laugh:

[Imperfect4]

Yeah, and that acne problem caused Lee to lose faith in God, according to Cindy, and IIRC.

Oh good grief. I'd forgotten that.

So he was all mad and rebel-without-a-clue-looking at "Caylee's memorial" because he doesn't have faith in God because he had pimples.

:rolleyes:

[Imperfect4]

Yeah, we'll probably get Spring Break rates. :cursing:

Ack! Please don't let the trial happen during Spring Break! :scared:

[Lavinia]

Heck, by the time it comes to trial, we should get Senior's rates!

:laugh: We can order a fleet of these to terrorize the locals with:
http://i42.tinypic.com/2czagew.jpg

[Lavinia]

Ack! Please don't let the trial happen during Spring Break! :scared:

Maybe we'll blend in better then? :laugh:

[crimeq]

Oh good grief. I'd forgotten that.

So he was all mad and rebel-without-a-clue-looking at "Caylee's memorial" because he doesn't have faith in God because he had pimples.

:rolleyes:

It doesn't take much to rock his world, apparently :wink:

[ConchGirl]

AND threw the dog's water away.

Oh, the memories. http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/caylee_anthony-1240-DogSign091008.jpg

[crimeq]

:laugh: We can order a fleet of these to terrorize the locals with:
http://i42.tinypic.com/2czagew.jpg

:lol::lol: Rascal Balance! I want racing stripes on mine!