June 20-21 Weekend #1

[ConchGirl]

I think about 99% of what has transpired is part of the psych game between those two females. Sicker than sick, imo.

Cindy clearly thinks that she and Casey are so alike. In her FBI interviews they were asking her questions about Casey and she kept talking about herself. "She's just like me, I was considered the Mom of the group. Blah, blah, blah. When asked to describe Casey Cindy says "compassionate, caring and outgoing. When asked who Casey looks up to Cindy says "She's always told me that I'm her role model." The poor FBI guy. Cindy always found a way to make it about her. Me, me, me and moo.

[sunstar]

6/19/2009 A ORDER TO STAY ON ORDER FOR SUBPOENA DUCES TECUM FOR ANTHONY LAZZARO THE COURT ORDERS THE FOLLOWING: THE COURT SHALL STAY IT'S ORDER FOR SUBPOENA DUCES TECUM FOR ANTHONY LAZZARO UNTIL AFTER A HEARING CAN BE HEARD & AN ORDER ENTERED ON MR. LAZZARO'S MOTION TO QUASH SUBPOENA DUCES TECUM.

Here is an entry on the Clerk of Courts records. Looks like Baez isn't getting Lazzaro's phone records like he had hoped. At least not without another court hearing.
Hi! This is good news, imo. What does Baez want to prove with them? I'm confused on this one.

[5boxersmom]

Good point, Cindy admitted to cleaning out the car, washing Casey's clothes that were left in the car...it is impossible to guess what could have been tampered with or discarded.

I remember in one of the doc dumps pictures of Caylee's little shoes. Did they take them into evidence? I can't remember.

imo

[Buttoneyes]

Couldn't her shoes have been left in the car, and cleaned up by Cindy ... put in the house and not made available to police. We know Cindy withheld information about what was missing from the house, so it's not impossible that Cindy found shoes, and didn't tell anyone as it would implicate Casey if Cayley's shoes were left in the car.

Didn't the police serve a warrant awhile after Caylee was found and carried away a ton of shoes from the A's? I remember many of them were Casey's shoes, but weren't there also some that belonged to Caylee?

[need2no]

6/19/2009 A ORDER TO STAY ON ORDER FOR SUBPOENA DUCES TECUM FOR ANTHONY LAZZARO THE COURT ORDERS THE FOLLOWING: THE COURT SHALL STAY IT'S ORDER FOR SUBPOENA DUCES TECUM FOR ANTHONY LAZZARO UNTIL AFTER A HEARING CAN BE HEARD & AN ORDER ENTERED ON MR. LAZZARO'S MOTION TO QUASH SUBPOENA DUCES TECUM.

Here is an entry on the Clerk of Courts records. Looks like Baez isn't getting Lazzaro's phone records like he had hoped. At least not without another court hearing.

Thanks for the info.

Should be interesting if there is a hearing and TonE is in the courtroom with casey. I wouldn't want to miss this.

[Tracian]

I remember in one of the doc dumps pictures of Caylee's little shoes. Did they take them into evidence? I can't remember.

imo




I think shoes were removed from the house, but nothing from the car, IIRC.

[Daffodil]

This sleeping arrangement with Casey and Caylee comes from Cindy. If someone else other than she has commented on this as a fact, I've missed it so I just can't swallow the idea that they slept together every night. I believe it is Cindyspin and nothing more. Cindy wasn't having a good time and if Cindy isn't having a good time, no one will have a good time. She resented her daughter's seemingly carefree life style but not enough to put a stop to it...it was easier and more rewarding to Cindy to complain about it.



Yes, Cindy tells some whoppers. When she said that Casey always slept with Casey every single night, I knew there was something wrong with that statement. When she said she would get thousands of tips every day, I knew there was something wrong with that statement. Wow, everything that comes out of her mouth is just outrageous and she thinks she is so smart to fool everyone. Just like she thought she was pulling the wool over LE's eyes. How foolish can she be? Oh yeah, she is a naricissist (sp?). How did she get through life so far without any major catastrophes caused from her statements. I really do think a lot of the problems in this family start with Cindy. But that doesn't excuse anyone else from wrongdoing.

[Daffodil]

I think this bonding issue is a bunch of moo-poo. It's a buzzword that Cindy picked up, convenient to toss around as if she knew what she was talking about, yet meaning nothing.



She came up with it after the fact. She needed to explain why Casey wasn't home that week.

[Imperfect4]

can someone explain to me George's statement to the judge, that releasing the autopsy report will tarnish Caylee's memory? She is the victim here, how can she be tarnished?

I suspect that G&C don't want the dirty details of the autopsy released to keep the public from becoming more pizzed at their daughter.

George's tears dried pretty darn fast when the attorney for the media questioned him.

Bolding mine. I'll take a stab at it ...

George's reaction to the term "remains," imo, is real. I think he had the picture of Caylee with him yesterday because THAT is how he wants to remember her ... not as "remains."

George is a simpleton. To him, it is somehow disrespectful to remember Caylee as "remains." He thinks she should be remembered as she was in that last picture of her he had with him yesterday.

I also think in his simple, muddled head, if he can remember her as the picture and not "remains," he can continue the charade that what happened to her didn't really happen, and, of course, that Casey didn't really do anything to her.

I hope somewhere in that confusing jumble of incomprehensible ... whatever, is tremendous guilt that he didn't protect Caylee from becoming "remains."

I've probably made about as much sense as George, eh? If so, sorry. I'm still trying to process his strange behavior myself.

[Imperfect4]

This sleeping arrangement with Casey and Caylee comes from Cindy. If someone else other than she has commented on this as a fact, I've missed it so I just can't swallow the idea that they slept together every night. I believe it is Cindyspin and nothing more. Cindy wasn't having a good time and if Cindy isn't having a good time, no one will have a good time. She resented her daughter's seemingly carefree life style but not enough to put a stop to it...it was easier and more rewarding to Cindy to complain about it.

Love your posts, Ladyhawk. They are always spot on, imo. :thumbup:

[jammies]

I have watched a lot of Dr. Phil shows, and he plays video's of people verbally fighting in their houses and the little ones are screaming because they are so upset. You can imagine that with Cindy and Casey fighting (both pro's at it) that Caylee may have been screaming too. Her little world of two people she loved fighting must have been very upsetting to her. I can just imagine Casey grabbing Caylee and putting her in the car...and Caylee wouldn't calm down.....we know what happened then. :cursing:


That is exactly how i picture how things went down that day, sammy.
I can also imagine Cindy hanging on to Caylee so Casey wouldn't take her. Cindy knew that baby was in a dangerous situation if the story of the big blowup is factual.

[Tracian]

Bolding mine. I'll take a stab at it ...

George's reaction to the term "remains," imo, is real. I think he had the picture of Caylee with him yesterday because THAT is how he wants to remember her ... not as "remains."

George is a simpleton. To him, it is somehow disrespectful to remember Caylee as "remains." He thinks she should be remembered as she was in that last picture of her he had with him yesterday.

I also think in his simple, muddled head, if he can remember her as the picture and not "remains," he can continue the charade that what happened to her didn't really happen, and, of course, that Casey didn't really do anything to her.

I hope somewhere in that confusing jumble of incomprehensible ... whatever, is tremendous guilt that he didn't protect Caylee from becoming "remains."

I've probably made about as much sense as George, eh? If so, sorry. I'm still trying to process his strange behavior myself.


I agree George is a simpleton. I think Baez put this whole thing into motion, but he didn't want to make the motion himself, so he put the A's and Conway up to it, and hoped to 'use' Caylee's dignity as a sympathy ploy.

[Imperfect4]

:thumbsup: middle finger - doncha just love that?:thumbsup:

It's a beauty, especially since it was served up to us by none other than the Thumb of the Hand Family. :laugh:

[jammies]

Did anyone see Greta last night? She had on the Bidens on promotiong their book Skelton Justice. Talk about CA.

http://www.foxnews.com/search-results/m/23131550/skeleton-justice.htm


They both make me sick. Linden states she likes Casey, shes says shes a young girl I feel protective towards her. Look at the case in Italy, shes young to and look whatthey are doing to her. We didnt fight autopsy to be sealed. OMG....:thumbdown:

Dr Michael Baden says the autopsy came back on the first page with homicide undetermined which after all these months and with death penalty on the line with homicide undertermined is ukind of unusual they found no drugs or poison was interesting.


I find it highly INAPPROPRIATE that attorneys (or ANYONE involved ) go on talk shows and discuss the case.
Just makes me so mad there isn't some sort of law preventing that.
(and I'm not one for MORE laws but this seems so WRONG!)

[DebinNv]

Sorry for butting in here, but I'm confused about the heart shaped sticker...I didn't read anything in the reports yesterday. Have I missed something here? Did it not exist?
Anyone??
Tia

[Daffodil]

I agree Sun!! No doubt they've seen all the pictures as well and I think it's the pictures that they most want kept from the public especially the tape wrapped several times around lil Caylee's head blocking her lil mouth and nose.

At least we all know now Conway LIED about the tape wrapped around Caylee's lil head. The Anthony's and Conway are cut from the same cloth:thumbdown:

How come none of the reporters called him on that yesterday.

[Imperfect4]

Hi everyone,
Did many of you have bad dreams last night? I sure did, and today i just feel whipped after reading that report yesterday. It's one thing to surmise, yet another to KNOW. It's no surprise why the Anthony's didn't want that report released, and I say noodles to them on their claim that they had not seen it. :angry:

ITA, Snoopy. Caylee has just begun to "speak." It won't be easy to hear. :sad:

[Tracian]

How come none of the reporters called him on that yesterday.


Most likely because they have spoke so much nonsense, it was lost.

I didn't even remember it until watch NG last night, and they showed the clip from LKL.

[Imperfect4]

Yes, it might. But, the defense may have great difficulty in changing Casey's story from the one that she originally told LE. Unless she takes the stand. Can't hardly see Lyon allowing Casey to take the stand, like I could envision Baez putting Casey on the stand. So, this is probably something that they are going to have to work out. LOL

I find myself wondering just how tuned into the details of this case AL was before she signed on.

I just wonder if, after a few weeks of plowing through discovery, she doesn't look like this >> :scared:

:laugh:

[ish]

This sleeping arrangement with Casey and Caylee comes from Cindy. If someone else other than she has commented on this as a fact, I've missed it so I just can't swallow the idea that they slept together every night. I believe it is Cindyspin and nothing more. Cindy wasn't having a good time and if Cindy isn't having a good time, no one will have a good time. She resented her daughter's seemingly carefree life style but not enough to put a stop to it...it was easier and more rewarding to Cindy to complain about it.

me thinks Cindy encouraged the casey/caylee sleeping together to control Casey's evenings out, I'll bet those calls from Cindy while Casey was out with her friends were something like" casey come home Caylee won't go to bed if you are not here and I have to get up for work, come home right away" TonE and Ricarrdo both said Casey left for home many times after getting a call from Mom. "Her mother wanted here to go home" "her mother wouldn't let her stay out overnight"

[koawally]

Sorry for butting in here, but I'm confused about the heart shaped sticker...I didn't read anything in the reports yesterday. Have I missed something here? Did it not exist?
Anyone??
Tia

They haven't released all the testing done on the tape yet...so it will be coming down the road sometime along with some other testing results found on items.

I'm hoping that somewhere on the tape Casey's fingerprints will be found. I'm shocked that the tape was wrapped several times around that lil Angels head.

[Daffodil]

Sorry for butting in here, but I'm confused about the heart shaped sticker...I didn't read anything in the reports yesterday. Have I missed something here? Did it not exist?
Anyone??
Tia


I didn't see it either but I thought it was just me. I wonder why it was not mentioned.

Maybe because the sticker was found afterwards in a different location. Maybe because they found out about it from an FBI report. Just guressing.

[koawally]

How come none of the reporters called him on that yesterday.

Oh they will...especially Kathi Belish (sp)

[sunstar]

I find it highly INAPPROPRIATE that attorneys (or ANYONE involved ) go on talk shows and discuss the case.
Just makes me so mad there isn't some sort of law preventing that.
(and I'm not one for MORE laws but this seems so WRONG!)

There could be a gag order but wouldn't one side have to request it and the judge approve it? It's so ironic to me that the defense seems to be worried about tainting the jury pool but they're the ones on tv along with Casey's parents. :sneaky: MOO

[ish]

Isnt myspace really for the teen/young adults? What would a 50plus married woman do with a myspace?:confused:

try to communicate with her daughter who isn't returning her calls? Trying to get in the same daughter's biz and find out where she is am what she is doing cause she has not a clue where her granddaughter is?

[Imperfect4]

I guess that Conway forgot that he said on LKL that the skull had no hair on it...that it was false information given to the media.

Is lying like a disease that the Anthony's spread to all that get caught up with them?

Ick. I want nothing the Anthonys have.

[Tracian]

There could be a gag order but wouldn't one side have to request it and the judge approve it? It's so ironic to me that the defense seems to be worried about tainting the jury pool but they're the ones on tv along with Casey's parents. :sneaky: MOO


IIRC, it was Baez that didn't want the gag order when it was requested by the SA.

[ConchGirl]

Sorry for butting in here, but I'm confused about the heart shaped sticker...I didn't read anything in the reports yesterday. Have I missed something here? Did it not exist?
Anyone??
Tia

IIRC the heart residue was on the duct tape but not the heart itself. The FBI reports that were released in January discussed the heart. That was right before George had his "almost suicide" imo

[DebinNv]

They haven't released all the testing done on the tape yet...so it will be coming down the road sometime along with some other testing results found on items found.

I'm hoping that somewhere on the tape Casey's fingerprints will be found. I'm shocked that the tape was wrapped several times around that lil Angels head.


Thank you, that was driving me crazy! I too, hope they will find her (Casey's) fingerprints, that's why I've been waiting for this info.

The thought of the duct tape gave me nightmares last night. I just couldn't get it out of my head.

[sunstar]

IIRC, it was Baez that didn't want the gag order when it was requested by the SA.

Exactly! He wants to be out there in the media and have the A's plead their daughter's innocence, yet at the same time complains about the law that allows the release of evidence. I too think he's behind Conway's motion regarding the autopsy report. MOO

[Imperfect4]

Cindy clearly thinks that she and Casey are so alike. In her FBI interviews they were asking her questions about Casey and she kept talking about herself. "She's just like me, I was considered the Mom of the group. Blah, blah, blah. When asked to describe Casey Cindy says "compassionate, caring and outgoing. When asked who Casey looks up to Cindy says "She's always told me that I'm her role model." The poor FBI guy. Cindy always found a way to make it about her. Me, me, me and moo.

I'm sure it's an extension of her narcissism that Cindy imagines Casey as her twin. And how good was Casey at beating Cindy at her own game, fgs? "You're my role model, mom." <insert retching noises here>

Good grief ... Casey served up that excrement and Cindy swallowed it whole.

Those two deserved each other, imo. Caylee deserved to be born to another family.

[Dunlurken]

IIRC, it was Baez that didn't want the gag order when it was requested by the SA.

Gotta get his 15 minutes of fame and fortune. Same with Conway.

[AMS]

I'm 50 plus, and I have a Facebook, not a Myspace. From what my friends tell me, 50% of them have Facebook pages, 2% have a MySpace.

I am 50. I have a Face Book page. No My Space. None of my friends have a MS page.

[ish]

My opinion is Cindy had a couple reasons:

She knew dang well not being around in the evenings was just one of many behaviors Casey exhibited which showed she was not interested in parenting Caylee. Despite all their spin to the contrary, I'm confident the A's were fully aware of just how inattentive and unconcerned a parent Casey was. She didn't even support the child, much less parent her.
Second reason, imo, is Cindy didn't want Casey out sleeping around and getting pregnant again.


it seems the first thing Casey did with a new boyfriend was take him home when the parents were out, TonE says they had "breakfast" and played with caylee for about three hours, I'll bet at least some of that time was spent with Caylee watching "cartoons" while Mom and TonE got it on. Just saying Casey being home 7pm-7am wouldn't keep her from getting pregnant:rolleyes:

[Dunlurken]

Thank you, that was driving me crazy! I too, hope they will find her (Casey's) fingerprints, that's why I've been waiting for this info.

The thought of the duct tape gave me nightmares last night. I just couldn't get it out of my head.

It has been stated that there were no fingerprints on the duct tape. They haven't said anything yet about the heart sticker and whether there are prints on it. JMO.

[DebinNv]

IIRC the heart residue was on the duct tape but not the heart itself. The FBI reports that were released in January discussed the heart. That was right before George had his "almost suicide" imo

Thanks, I guess I missed that.

There's so much info to keep with...

[Imperfect4]

Hi! This is good news, imo. What does Baez want to prove with them? I'm confused on this one.

He's looking for his bench of potential SomeOtherDudeDidIts. imo

And not being able to imagine how they could possibly be involved isn't important, by the way. Next to the invisi-nanny, just about anyone looks good to take the fall.

[Imperfect4]

Didn't the police serve a warrant awhile after Caylee was found and carried away a ton of shoes from the A's? I remember many of them were Casey's shoes, but weren't there also some that belonged to Caylee?

Yep. Weren't they all white, too? (Caylee's, I mean.)

[koawally]

Thank you, that was driving me crazy! I too, hope they will find her (Casey's) fingerprints, that's why I've been waiting for this info.

The thought of the duct tape gave me nightmares last night. I just couldn't get it out of my head.


It gave me nighmares to...imagining lil Caylee clawing at it with her hands trying to pull it off.

That will have quite an impact on any jury, especially when the pictures are shown :sad:

[ConchGirl]

Exactly! He wants to be out there in the media and have the A's plead their daughter's innocence, yet at the same time complains about the law that allows the release of evidence. I too think he's behind Conway's motion regarding the autopsy report. MOO
I think Cindy was behind the motion. The report would have hindered her media blitz on the anniversary. Had it been released as originally scheduled she may not have received much sympathy on her NY tour. No sympathy = no donations. moo

[sunstar]

He's looking for his bench of potential SomeOtherDudeDidIts. imo

And not being able to imagine how they could possibly be involved isn't important, by the way. Next to the invisi-nanny, just about anyone looks good to take the fall.

I guess that's his reason, and that Tony cooperated with LE so he'd be #1 on their list, but it sure seems unfair to people who didn't ask to be involved in a famous murder trial. I'm sure that some of these people are sorry they ever met Casey! MOO

[jammies]

There could be a gag order but wouldn't one side have to request it and the judge approve it? It's so ironic to me that the defense seems to be worried about tainting the jury pool but they're the ones on tv along with Casey's parents. :sneaky: MOO



Exactly, sun. And most folks aren't like us...following every detail of this case. Many people think if Baden says it, it must be true. He's all over tv as the EXPERT on all things regarding autopsies.
Thanks but I'll take Dr. G any day. She's not for sale and isn't full of herself. When she announced the manner of death, etc. her voice cracked with emotion. She A+ in my book.

[Tracian]

I think Cindy was behind the motion. The report would have hindered her media blitz on the anniversary. Had it been released as originally scheduled she may not have received much sympathy on her NY tour. No sympathy = no donations. moo


Well, this 'job' seems to be the longest that George has held on to.

Have they used that boat yet in any searches?

[Mamie]

It's a beauty, especially since it was served up to us by none other than the Thumb of the Hand Family. :laugh:

Ha ha-----exactly right! A double beauty!!

[Imperfect4]

Sorry for butting in here, but I'm confused about the heart shaped sticker...I didn't read anything in the reports yesterday. Have I missed something here? Did it not exist?
Anyone??
Tia

It wasn't mentioned in the reports released yesterday. Imo, it did exist. Also imo, we'll hear more about it down the line.

[sunstar]

I think Cindy was behind the motion. The report would have hindered her media blitz on the anniversary. Had it been released as originally scheduled she may not have received much sympathy on her NY tour. No sympathy = no donations. moo

Oh, I hadn't thought of that angle. :scared:

[denjet]

Yes, Dr. Baden is intelligent. He has an education and background that is to be envied.

Paris Hilton has a TV show, too, so I dispute his show as lending credence to his conclusions.

He is also for sale to the highest bidder, and willing to tailor his results according to who is signing his check. He has made several major egregious errors in his testimony (see Spector, Phil) that have affected the results of trials.

I have NO respect for him whatsoever.
Hi Spots!
After reading the reports, I think the defense is going to have to go some to discredit Dr. Martin from Oakridge Labs ... Holy Moly ... he may not be a "celebrity" expert, but from his resume, even Linda Baden is not going to be able to poke holes in his testing results!!

[ish]

I guess that's his reason, and that Tony cooperated with LE so he'd be #1 on their list, but it sure seems unfair to people who didn't ask to be involved in a famous murder trial. I'm sure that some of these people are sorry they ever met Casey! MOO

Didn't TonE say he first met Casey on by checking out her MySpace page, he thought she was cute, said she went to Valencia College.
I guess he learned about believing everything you read on someone's MySpace.:laugh:

[crimeq]

Thats exactly right they think they are very unique and special. I like the way george tried to pull on heartstrings and mentioned Great grandparents:rolleyes:

Did you see Judge S react to that? He didn't look at George for most of his diatribe, but when George brought up the great-grandparents, Judge S swung his eyes over to George and looked a bit disgusted, I think.

Just catching up. I'm in Galveston and we were just leaving yesterday when the autopsy report was released, so all I heard before leaving was "multiple layers of tape".

Only a few minutes ago did I read about it being placed over Caylee's nose, too.

Thank you, Judge S, for doing the right thing by Florida's Sunshine Laws and protecting the public's right to information.

BradC so outright lied on LK about hair/duct tape! I think he believed they would be successful in getting the release of the report delayed until trial, and he wanted to spin to America-at-large that there wasn't a hair/duct tape combination. Liar.

Can attornies outright lie for their clients?

[DebinNv]

It gave me nighmares to...imagining lil Caylee clawing at it with her hands trying to pull it off.

That will have quite an impact on any jury, especially when the pictures are shown :sad:

I kind of wondered about her hair being matted...thinking that she was struggling and fighting for air and moving furiously trying to breath...it just makes me sick even typing this.

You're right about the impact the pictures will have on the jury, it will show what a monster Casey really is.

jmo

[Imperfect4]

IIRC the heart residue was on the duct tape but not the heart itself. The FBI reports that were released in January discussed the heart. That was right before George had his "almost suicide" imo

Here's my recollection ...

Someone at the ME's office, very shortly after they started examining her remains and while the search for evidence continued at the recovery site, contacted the recovery site and gave instructions to look for a heart-shaped sticker.

The reason the request was made was because the outline of the sticker was noticed on the duct tape at the morgue.

That's my recollection of how it all started.

Now, why the outline/residue of the heart-shaped sticker on the duct tape wasn't mentioned in the autopsy report, I don't know. Perhaps because, as someone else pointed out, no results of any testing of the duct tape were released with the autopsy report?

[sunstar]

Exactly, sun. And most folks aren't like us...following every detail of this case. Many people think if Baden says it, it must be true. He's all over tv as the EXPERT on all things regarding autopsies.
Thanks but I'll take Dr. G any day. She's not for sale and isn't full of herself. When she announced the manner of death, etc. her voice cracked with emotion. She A+ in my book.

I so agree with you about Dr. G. She seems very honest and I think there's a big difference between the show she has on tv and just being on every news show offering an opinion on cases where the details aren't completely known. MOO

[iluvmua]

The sooner the Trial starts the better, then we won't have to hear about them anymore. Hopefully.

I have a feeling that they will try and drag this on and on and it will never get to trial for one reason or another.

I'm pretty sick of the Anthonys and their Actions. :angry:

[sunstar]

Didn't TonE say he first met Casey on by checking out her MySpace page, he thought she was cute, said she went to Valencia College.
I guess he learned about believing everything you read on someone's MySpace.:laugh:

I hope he learned it's not a good idea!! :biggrin:

[DebinNv]

It wasn't mentioned in the reports released yesterday. Imo, it did exist. Also imo, we'll hear more about it down the line.

Yeah, because I remember NG talking about it also.

Patience is not one of my strong points! I wish we had more info...in time we will.

[denjet]

I'm 50 plus, and I have a Facebook, not a Myspace. From what my friends tell me, 50% of them have Facebook pages, 2% have a MySpace.
I'm 54 years old and I have a MySpace and Facebook, I'm embarrassed to say!
...but in my defense, I only got them because my kids nagged me ... in order to see new pictures of them and my grandkids ...
:blushing:

[happygert]

Yes, Dr. Baden is intelligent. He has an education and background that is to be envied.

Paris Hilton has a TV show, too, so I dispute his show as lending credence to his conclusions.

He is also for sale to the highest bidder, and willing to tailor his results according to who is signing his check. He has made several major egregious errors in his testimony (see Spector, Phil) that have affected the results of trials.

I have NO respect for him whatsoever.

ITA who ever signs the check is what the evidence is tailored to.. Just another high paid lair as far as I'm concerned..Throw out the true evidence and lie your way through it..

[Imperfect4]

it seems the first thing Casey did with a new boyfriend was take him home when the parents were out, TonE says they had "breakfast" and played with caylee for about three hours, I'll bet at least some of that time was spent with Caylee watching "cartoons" while Mom and TonE got it on. Just saying Casey being home 7pm-7am wouldn't keep her from getting pregnant:rolleyes:

Good point. I don't recall the breakfast at the A's story ... wonder how I missed that?

Anyhoo, I suppose Cindy thought her chances of having another grandchild via immaculate conception would at least be somewhat lessened if Casey was home nights. :rolleyes:

[ish]

I think Cindy was behind the motion. The report would have hindered her media blitz on the anniversary. Had it been released as originally scheduled she may not have received much sympathy on her NY tour. No sympathy = no donations. moo

How dare Caylee's autopsy report take the attention from the bereaved grandmother!! Her moment to gain sympathy and headlines has been stolen by that hideous report. Can't Brad do anything right?It's a good thing he's working for free cause she wouldn't pay for lousy legal work. And George!!! Next time there"ll be no 911 call about his sorry azz.

[101Spots]

Here's my recollection ...

Someone at the ME's office, very shortly after they started examining her remains and while the search for evidence continued at the recovery site, contacted the recovery site and gave instructions to look for a heart-shaped sticker.

The reason the request was made was because the outline of the sticker was noticed on the duct tape at the morgue.

That's my recollection of how it all started.

Now, why the outline/residue of the heart-shaped sticker on the duct tape wasn't mentioned in the autopsy report, I don't know. Perhaps because, as someone else pointed out, no results of any testing of the duct tape were released with the autopsy report?

It's not Dr. G's job to analyze the duct tape. She noted its presence, and sent it off to the right lab for testing. That's why it's not detailed in the autopsy report.

Dagnabbit.

[jammies]

The sooner the Trial starts the better, then we won't have to hear about them anymore. Hopefully.

I have a feeling that they will try and drag this on and on and it will never get to trial for one reason or another.

I'm pretty sick of the Anthonys and their Actions. :angry:


I'm REALLY sick of watching Cindy stroke and pet George in the courtroom. It's so fake and simply for the cameras. blech

[ish]

Good point. I don't recall the breakfast at the A's story ... wonder how I missed that?

Anyhoo, I suppose Cindy thought her chances of having another grandchild via immaculate conception would at least be somewhat lessened if Casey was home nights. :rolleyes:

Yeah 2x in one womb, what are the chances of that!! Think Cindy'd fall for that story again?:laugh:

[Jester]

My opinion is Cindy had a couple reasons:

She knew dang well not being around in the evenings was just one of many behaviors Casey exhibited which showed she was not interested in parenting Caylee. Despite all their spin to the contrary, I'm confident the A's were fully aware of just how inattentive and unconcerned a parent Casey was. She didn't even support the child, much less parent her.
Second reason, imo, is Cindy didn't want Casey out sleeping around and getting pregnant again.


If Casey were 16, Cindy would have a right to tell Casey what to do, but Casey was 22, a mother, and supposedly working for a living. A normal mother would want her daughter (Casey) to be dating, having a social life, and able to enjoy some free time in order to have a healthy, normal life. I don't think it was any of Cindy's business what Casey did with her free time. Cindy should have stayed out of it and realized that, as an adult, Casey should be able to make responsible decisions. I think Cindy should have helped Casey with overnight child care since she didn't have to do anything extra to look after a sleeping child, and I think she should not have harassed Casey with phone calls every time she went out.

[Daffny]

Was the duct tape wrapped around her head completely several times? Does anyone know exactly how many times? Or was it in ripped off pieces just across the face....

sorry to be so graphic, but I can't find the information in the report.

[sunstar]

it seems the first thing Casey did with a new boyfriend was take him home when the parents were out, TonE says they had "breakfast" and played with caylee for about three hours, I'll bet at least some of that time was spent with Caylee watching "cartoons" while Mom and TonE got it on. Just saying Casey being home 7pm-7am wouldn't keep her from getting pregnant:rolleyes:
(bolding mine)

I wonder where George was that particular day?

[Imperfect4]

I guess that's his reason, and that Tony cooperated with LE so he'd be #1 on their list, but it sure seems unfair to people who didn't ask to be involved in a famous murder trial. I'm sure that some of these people are sorry they ever met Casey! MOO

I'm not sure Tony's #1 on his list. Before Baez asked for his list of phone records, do you remember he wanted to have a special, super-secret meeting with Judge Strickland about certain evidence he wanted to go after? Shortly after his request was shot down, he requested phone records from a long list of people, including Tony L.

Several posters here figure Jose was after one particular set of records, most likely Jesse's, because he appears to be the most likely SODDI. By asking for the records of several people, Jose might've been trying to hide his special interest in Jesse Grund as the fall guy.

[denjet]

No stoning for you. I agree, that report could have been worse but still.....You're right that Puppet Conway had a copy and cindy is too darn nosy not to have insisted on reading it. After all, she is a nurse of decomp.:angry:
Hi Snoopy!
I find it hard to believe that the Anthonys didn't at least get a preliminary autopsy when the remains were turned over to them and that they saw the additional test results and reports when Baez got them ... Cindy, wait for answers? I don't think she's capable ... JMO

[101Spots]

Hi Spots!
After reading the reports, I think the defense is going to have to go some to discredit Dr. Martin from Oakridge Labs ... Holy Moly ... he may not be a "celebrity" expert, but from his resume, even Linda Baden is not going to be able to poke holes in his testing results!!

ITA, along with the other guys, too. Their CVs are quite lengthy and respectable. Heck, they've probably published 4 more articles in the time it took to type this.

Durn overachievers always make me feel this big ---> .

[Imperfect4]

Well, this 'job' seems to be the longest that George has held on to.

Have they used that boat yet in any searches?

Only if someone reports a missing fish. :rolleyes:

[jammies]

Yeah 2x in one womb, what are the chances of that!! Think Cindy'd fall for that story again?:laugh:


Absolutely!

Remember the guy at the party that she CLAIMED got her preggers and then had a miscarriage. Wonder if she pulled that with others guys. Make guys feel sorry for her. Or to claim she was preggers to extort $ for an abortion.
I wouldn't put it past her.

[Jester]

That was a very sensible answer and keeping Casey at home under her watch would keep her out of trouble.

I don't think a 22 year old mother needs to be kept under watch by her mother. Cindy should have backed off, helped her daughter by giving her some time off in the evenings, and trusted Casey to make good decisions. That's what parents have to do with their children whether they like it or not.

[Imperfect4]

Didn't TonE say he first met Casey on by checking out her MySpace page, he thought she was cute, said she went to Valencia College.
I guess he learned about believing everything you read on someone's MySpace.:laugh:

Yep. He saw her on MySpace and "hit her up." :rolleyes:

[ish]

If Casey were 16, Cindy would have a right to tell Casey what to do, but Casey was 22, a mother, and supposedly working for a living. A normal mother would want her daughter (Casey) to be dating, having a social life, and able to enjoy some free time in order to have a healthy, normal life. I don't think it was any of Cindy's business what Casey did with her free time. Cindy should have stayed out of it and realized that, as an adult, Casey should be able to make responsible decisions. I think Cindy should have helped Casey with overnight child care since she didn't have to do anything extra to look after a sleeping child, and I think she should not have harassed Casey with phone calls every time she went out.

Certainly, If Casey were a responsible adult, like with a job and an income, not stealing from her aged grand parents. Of course Cindy should and most likely would have helped out, if as you say Casey were a responsible adult.

[Tornado]

Was the duct tape wrapped around her head completely several times? Does anyone know exactly how many times? Or was it in ripped off pieces just across the face....

sorry to be so graphic, but I can't find the information in the report.

The impression that I got was that it was several strips layered on top of each other.

[happygert]

Hi Spots!
After reading the reports, I think the defense is going to have to go some to discredit Dr. Martin from Oakridge Labs ... Holy Moly ... he may not be a "celebrity" expert, but from his resume, even Linda Baden is not going to be able to poke holes in his testing results!!

No she's not.. not only that how is she going to poke holes in the folowing:
1) death band on hair found in trunk.
2) grave wax on paper towels found in trunk.
3) maggot evidence from trunk.
4) blanket from Caylee's matching set.
5) smell of decomposing in trunk.
6) laundry bag that Caylee was found in matched the one in A's home
7) duct tape around Caylee's face and nose matches the duct tape on george's gas can
8) casey parting while Caylee was supposed to be missing.
9) No one ever seen the nanny.
10) and most of all how are they going to explain that casey DID NOT REPORT Caylee MISSING for 30 days.....

[Imperfect4]

I'm 54 years old and I have a MySpace and Facebook, I'm embarrassed to say!
...but in my defense, I only got them because my kids nagged me ... in order to see new pictures of them and my grandkids ...
:blushing:

Hey! I'm almost 54 and lived in Newport back in the 70's. What a coinkidink!

[ish]

(bolding mine)

I wonder where George was that particular day?

He did work sporadically, probably enough to become eligible for unemployment. He knows how to work that system.

[Jester]

Good point, Cindy admitted to cleaning out the car, washing Casey's clothes that were left in the car...it is impossible to guess what could have been tampered with or discarded.

Cindy didn't want anyone to focus on Casey, but if the shoes had been found in the car, police would have one more piece of evidence suggesting Cayley was not walking in the park when she was taken.

[Tracian]

The impression that I got was that it was several strips layered on top of each other.



Yes and wrapped so tight it held the jaw in place, even with animal distrubance.

:sad:

[Imperfect4]

It's not Dr. G's job to analyze the duct tape. She noted its presence, and sent it off to the right lab for testing. That's why it's not detailed in the autopsy report.

Dagnabbit.

Makes sense.

:mad:

[MissElainyS]

Was the duct tape wrapped around her head completely several times? Does anyone know exactly how many times? Or was it in ripped off pieces just across the face....

sorry to be so graphic, but I can't find the information in the report.

The way I am deducing it is that it had to have been wrapped around her entire head. This is the only way that the mandible (jaw) was able to remain connected as they described it in the autopsy report. If the tape were ripped into pieces, it would be attached to skin, since there was no soft tissue or skin, the jaw would have fallen away and been separated from the skull. I am not 100% certain but I remember that the guy that made that phone call to 911 (either Kronk or his supervisor) said "we found a human skull and there's duct tape on it" or something to that effect. In my mind, that can only mean that the tape went clear around the head.

Also, I do recall reading in the autopsy that the tape was around the nose and mouth. If she covered the mouth and the nose, that means Caylee died a horrific death of suffocation, she must have struggled tremendously for air. Those that are saying that they surmise that Casey put duct tape around the wrists and legs, I don't think so, because it's hard to get that stuff off once it's on. I think she held her down and then put the sticker on her mouth after she finally died as a way of saying STFU to Caylee.

Immette St. Guilliam (sp) died the same way if I recall correctly. She could have gotten the idea from that case.

[Tornado]

No she's not.. not only that how is she going to poke holes in the folowing:
1) death band on hair found in trunk.
2) grave wax on paper towels found in trunk.
3) maggot evidence from trunk.
4) blanket from Caylee's matching set.
5) smell of decomposing in trunk.
6) laundry bag that Caylee was found in matched the one in A's home
7) duct tape around Caylee's face and nose matches the duct tape on george's gas can
8) casey parting while Caylee was supposed to be missing.
9) No one ever seen the nanny.
10) and most of all how are they going to explain that casey DID NOT REPORT Caylee MISSING for 30 days.....

Vey nice Gert, very nice.

[jammies]

I don't think a 22 year old mother needs to be kept under watch by her mother. Cindy should have backed off, helped her daughter by giving her some time off in the evenings, and trusted Casey to make good decisions. That's what parents have to do with their children whether they like it or not.



Why? Cindy didn't get pregnant. Casey did. Why should Cindy be held responsible for Casey's daughter?

I think the A's DID watch Caylee quite a bit. Apparently Casey DID need watching as she claimed a job she didn't have, stole money, slept with 1/2 the town etc. etc.
She'd already had one oops baby and doubt she was responsible using birth control. She already claimed one miscarriage. She was a hot mess and the A's knew it.

[crimeq]

Was there any media footage of C&G leaving the courtroom/courthouse yesterday? I don't see any links on our Links page and was just wondering. TIA if anybody knows!

[Sun]

Originally Posted by Sun
6/19/2009 A ORDER TO STAY ON ORDER FOR SUBPOENA DUCES TECUM FOR ANTHONY LAZZARO THE COURT ORDERS THE FOLLOWING: THE COURT SHALL STAY IT'S ORDER FOR SUBPOENA DUCES TECUM FOR ANTHONY LAZZARO UNTIL AFTER A HEARING CAN BE HEARD & AN ORDER ENTERED ON MR. LAZZARO'S MOTION TO QUASH SUBPOENA DUCES TECUM.

Here is an entry on the Clerk of Courts records. Looks like Baez isn't getting Lazzaro's phone records like he had hoped. At least not without another court hearing.

Thanks for the info.

Should be interesting if there is a hearing and TonE is in the courtroom with casey. I wouldn't want to miss this.

That would be a bit interesting to gage Casey's reactions.... However, I'm going to guess that Lazzaro will just send his attorney, and say out of the courtroom, like Amy and Jesse did. Who knows though. This will be one of those "stay tuned" moments. LOL

[Jester]

Didn't the police serve a warrant awhile after Caylee was found and carried away a ton of shoes from the A's? I remember many of them were Casey's shoes, but weren't there also some that belonged to Caylee?

I don't remember the details of what police took, but that's an interesting thought. Maybe the shoes will be tested for the smell of decomposition.

[sunstar]

I'm not sure Tony's #1 on his list. Before Baez asked for his list of phone records, do you remember he wanted to have a special, super-secret meeting with Judge Strickland about certain evidence he wanted to go after? Shortly after his request was shot down, he requested phone records from a long list of people, including Tony L.

Several posters here figure Jose was after one particular set of records, most likely Jesse's, because he appears to be the most likely SODDI. By asking for the records of several people, Jose might've been trying to hide his special interest in Jesse Grund as the fall guy.

That's true, following the A's lead, he would target Jesse, but I was thinking of Tony's cooperation with LE that would make him a prime target too. After all, the more people to throw under the bus, the better ~ according to the defense. :sneaky: I don't think he'll succeed though since there's too much evidence linking right back to his client. MOO

[Imperfect4]

Yeah 2x in one womb, what are the chances of that!! Think Cindy'd fall for that story again?:laugh:

Sure she would. And she'd repeat it. "Casey woke up one morning and couldn't see her toes. She's trying to tell us how she got pregnant, but she can't. The impregnator has threatened her and her family. When this is over, she'll be voted Knocked Up Woman of the Year. Meantime, I'm doing my own investigation. I've got a notebook here full of clues and red flags. Just because Casey lies doesn't mean she's had sex."

:blink:

[Tornado]

Does anyone know what kind of key KC's car would have had to have? Was it one with a key chip in it- I know that these are very expensive to get copies of.

Still thinking about Annies text about getting "10 keys" made and if the line of defense is coming that someone else had access to KC's car. Just wondering.....

[sunstar]

He did work sporadically, probably enough to become eligible for unemployment. He knows how to work that system.

You're right he could've been working during the day then. I was thinking of him working at night and just wondering how she pulled that one off ~ having Tony over to the house for 3 hrs. in the morning.

[Rapunzel]

And the wording of their handwritten statements are very odd.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3868229/guide-to-casey-anthony-documents-orlando-sentinel

Lee - page 33 - She claimed she's been searching for Caylee herself and had other people helping her.

WTH is up with "she claimed"? Was Lee questioning Casey's story?

Cindy's statement on page 35 and does not mention the "nanny" one time. Why wouldn't Cindy tell LE about all the times Casey told her Caylee was with the nanny?

George's statement page 37 - ....and told me that Caylee Marie (our granddaughter) was missing, taken a month ago, by a person by the name of Zany.

He did not say taken by her babysitter or nanny, but "a person by the name of Zany". What is up with that? Wouldn't you think George being former LE he would realize how important it would be to the investigation to write "by her babysitter/nanny named Zany"?

jmo

Way behind...but had to say this...If Zanny was a person who you and your family had talked about for at least two years even if you had never met her...you would not say..."by a person named Zanny", it sounds like you never heard the name before...you would say by the babysitter Zanny!!!

[Imperfect4]

If Casey were 16, Cindy would have a right to tell Casey what to do, but Casey was 22, a mother, and supposedly working for a living. A normal mother would want her daughter (Casey) to be dating, having a social life, and able to enjoy some free time in order to have a healthy, normal life. I don't think it was any of Cindy's business what Casey did with her free time. Cindy should have stayed out of it and realized that, as an adult, Casey should be able to make responsible decisions. I think Cindy should have helped Casey with overnight child care since she didn't have to do anything extra to look after a sleeping child, and I think she should not have harassed Casey with phone calls every time she went out.

My bold. Here's where you went off the rails, Jester. :laugh:

[101Spots]

I don't think a 22 year old mother needs to be kept under watch by her mother. Cindy should have backed off, helped her daughter by giving her some time off in the evenings, and trusted Casey to make good decisions. That's what parents have to do with their children whether they like it or not.

I don't think any mother *owes* her daughter free babysitting. It's a nice gesture if it's earned, but no daughter should expect it or demand it.

And no, no parent *has* to do it. You may feel obligated in your situation, but you do have the right to say, "No."

Casey was living in her parent's home, eating their food. I find it presumptuous that she expected free babysitting - er, .... nanny-izing - as well.

Is nanny-izing a word?

[Imperfect4]

Was the duct tape wrapped around her head completely several times? Does anyone know exactly how many times? Or was it in ripped off pieces just across the face....

sorry to be so graphic, but I can't find the information in the report.

It's not in there. Can't figure whether the omission was deliberate. Seems there's a lot in the duct tape analysis that holds clues. How much was there, really? Fingerprints? Imprint of heart-shaped sticker? Cut from roll also in evidence? Etc.

[AlohaRainbow]

Yes, very odd. Perhaps she understood maternal-child bonding on an intellectual level (maybe she had been reading something Cindy assigned), but not on an emotional level (never having had that true bonding experience).
*snip*
If your very first experience as a brand new mother (grandmother gets to hold your new baby first) instills resentment; and if you are repeatedly reminded of this event by your own mother telling the story to others; what real chance to you have at bonding? Hard to unring that bell.
interesting post with a lot of insight :-)
i've not done alot of labor/delivery nursing (mostly med/surg and then recovery room), but there are times when a new mother isn't the first to hold her baby and who can't breastfeed (due to medical complications in either the mother or the baby)... rarely, imo, does that preclude a mother-infant bond from forming... in most "normal" cases, they've started the "bonding" process during the pregnancy

however, in this case, casey *already* showed a lack of bonding (imo) as she (reportedly) hid/denied her pregnancy for the first 7 months. add to that the already-toxic (imo) relationship between casey and cindy... ita that cindy's repeatedly telling the "story" of how she was the first to hold caylee could have/would have led to resentment on casey's part, and would further negate any chance that casey *might* have had to develop a normal bond with caylee. although, imo, that chance was already slim-to-none, given the apparent lack of bonding during the pregnancy, as well as casey's (imo) inability to form bonds.

as usual, imo, cindy completely ignores/denies the pre-birth "evidence" (casey hiding her pregnancy) that the normal bond was alraedy not there. cindy again, imo, had to throw it up in casey's face... and has to make it all about *her* - oh, they didn't bond because i held her first ..yada yada yada

[sunstar]

Does anyone know what kind of key KC's car would have had to have? Was it one with a key chip in it- I know that these are very expensive to get copies of.

Still thinking about Annies text about getting "10 keys" made and if the line of defense is coming that someone else had access to KC's car. Just wondering.....

Good question but another thing to think about is if it had an alarm on it with a remote opener. I'd assume there'd be no more than 2 sets of keys. :shrug: MOO

[101Spots]

Sure she would. And she'd repeat it. "Casey woke up one morning and couldn't see her toes. She's trying to tell us how she got pregnant, but she can't. The impregnator has threatened her and her family. When this is over, she'll be voted Knocked Up Woman of the Year. Meantime, I'm doing my own investigation. I've got a notebook here full of clues and red flags. Just because Casey lies doesn't mean she's had sex."

:blink:

:lol:

We need this on a t-shirt.

[denjet]

No she's not.. not only that how is she going to poke holes in the folowing:
1) death band on hair found in trunk.
2) grave wax on paper towels found in trunk.
3) maggot evidence from trunk.
4) blanket from Caylee's matching set.
5) smell of decomposing in trunk.
6) laundry bag that Caylee was found in matched the one in A's home
7) duct tape around Caylee's face and nose matches the duct tape on george's gas can
8) casey parting while Caylee was supposed to be missing.
9) No one ever seen the nanny.
10) and most of all how are they going to explain that casey DID NOT REPORT Caylee MISSING for 30 days.....
Hi Happy!
it's not gonna happen ... I think that's why the defense seems focused on discrediting LE, jail officers, state attorney's office, the courts ...

Question though about 7 ... I thought the report said it didn't match the roll(s) from the Anthonys house ... did they really match the gas can tape?

[trich]

If Casey were 16, Cindy would have a right to tell Casey what to do, but Casey was 22, a mother, and supposedly working for a living. A normal mother would want her daughter (Casey) to be dating, having a social life, and able to enjoy some free time in order to have a healthy, normal life. I don't think it was any of Cindy's business what Casey did with her free time. Cindy should have stayed out of it and realized that, as an adult, Casey should be able to make responsible decisions. I think Cindy should have helped Casey with overnight child care since she didn't have to do anything extra to look after a sleeping child, and I think she should not have harassed Casey with phone calls every time she went out.

You have got to be kidding.
That would work if your daughter had a full time job and was living on her own supporting her own child and not living with her parents and having them pay all her bills.
If any of my grown children lives under my roof no matter what the age she or he would be held accoutable....especially If I supplied her with transportation and supplied my grandaughter with the clothes on her back and the food she ate along with the free babysitting.
not to mention free rent etc.
I dislike Cindy and George because they did not make Casey accountable and responsible and because they are liars and cheats and
just down right nasty people but circumstances the way they were they should have taken more action and demanded more from Casey.
Letting her off with no responsibility at all created exactly what they got ....a pathalogical liar that could not live by any rules and was alowed to get away with such.
When people have children they need to realize that child comes first.....if you never get to go out on a date, or dance in a bar so be it....too many do not realize that your wants and needs become secondary to your childs.
No matter how much you might want a life outside of motherhood....well you never should have become a mother to start with....but once yor are your obligations are to that child .
That is the reason we have so many messed up children that become
broken adults is because of their children being passed off to whomever will watch them whenever you feel like you have to have fun
not giving them the attention they need.....children are suppose to be the light of your life not a burden.

[denjet]

Absolutely!

Remember the guy at the party that she CLAIMED got her preggers and then had a miscarriage. Wonder if she pulled that with others guys. Make guys feel sorry for her. Or to claim she was preggers to extort $ for an abortion.
I wouldn't put it past her.
Hi jammies!
I hadn't thought of that, but that sure does sound like KC! You might be on to something there, I could picture her doing that ...

[Anakerie]

im just curious does any one here have a myspace? Cindys 50plus years old and she has a myspace?
I'm pages behind the rest of you, but I'll throw an answer out here to this question. I am 60+ years old and I have a myspace page as well as a facebook page. I got talked into making them by my grandkids.. lol.. And, yes, I use both! I've found they are great for keeping in touch with family as well as with friends who live far away.

[Jester]

Did you see Judge S react to that? He didn't look at George for most of his diatribe, but when George brought up the great-grandparents, Judge S swung his eyes over to George and looked a bit disgusted, I think.

Just catching up. I'm in Galveston and we were just leaving yesterday when the autopsy report was released, so all I heard before leaving was "multiple layers of tape".

Only a few minutes ago did I read about it being placed over Caylee's nose, too.

Thank you, Judge S, for doing the right thing by Florida's Sunshine Laws and protecting the public's right to information.

BradC so outright lied on LK about hair/duct tape! I think he believed they would be successful in getting the release of the report delayed until trial, and he wanted to spin to America-at-large that there wasn't a hair/duct tape combination. Liar.

Can attornies outright lie for their clients?

I finally read it today too ... duct tape across her mouth and nose, several layers of tape? Just unbelievable. I suspect that Caylee was drugged, and then suffocated.

[Imperfect4]

The way I am deducing it is that it had to have been wrapped around her entire head. This is the only way that the mandible (jaw) was able to remain connected as they described it in the autopsy report. If the tape were ripped into pieces, it would be attached to skin, since there was no soft tissue or skin, the jaw would have fallen away and been separated from the skull. I am not 100% certain but I remember that the guy that made that phone call to 911 (either Kronk or his supervisor) said "we found a human skull and there's duct tape on it" or something to that effect. In my mind, that can only mean that the tape went clear around the head.

Also, I do recall reading in the autopsy that the tape was around the nose and mouth. If she covered the mouth and the nose, that means Caylee died a horrific death of suffocation, she must have struggled tremendously for air. Those that are saying that they surmise that Casey put duct tape around the wrists and legs, I don't think so, because it's hard to get that stuff off once it's on. I think she held her down and then put the sticker on her mouth after she finally died as a way of saying STFU to Caylee.

Immette St. Guilliam (sp) died the same way if I recall correctly. She could have gotten the idea from that case.

You make perfect sense. In order to hold the jaw in place, at a minimum, the strips of tape would've had to go far enough behind her ears around the back of her head to stick firmly in place. God, it's beyond appalling to type those words. :angry:

[101Spots]

Hi Happy!
it's not gonna happen ... I think that's why the defense seems focused on discrediting LE, jail officers, state attorney's office, the courts ...

Question though about 7 ... I thought the report said it didn't match the roll(s) from the Anthonys house ... did they really match the gas can tape?

... the bailiffs, the guy who fills the pop machine, the janitor, the pizza delivery guy, the gavel manufacturer, and juror #11's third grade teacher.

So much effort, so little production.

[Tornado]

One article to refresh our memories as I go back to find the actual document listing all items taken from the A's home by LE.....

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2009/02/disturbing-new-evidence-released-in-caylee-anthony-murder-case.html

[trich]

Hi Happy!
it's not gonna happen ... I think that's why the defense seems focused on discrediting LE, jail officers, state attorney's office, the courts ...

Question though about 7 ... I thought the report said it didn't match the roll(s) from the Anthonys house ... did they really match the gas can tape?

If and I say if I remember correctly the tape on Caylee did not match any cut off of any role but absolutely did match the tape on the gas can.
Not sure if they even found rolls of tape at the house.
Maybe someone else can clarify that.
But it did match the tape on the gas can.

[Imperfect4]

Was there any media footage of C&G leaving the courtroom/courthouse yesterday? I don't see any links on our Links page and was just wondering. TIA if anybody knows!

Haven't seen a thing.

Wonder if local Orlando media is giving the A's the cold shoulder these days?

[shellzbi]

Haven't seen a thing.

Wonder if local Orlando media is giving the A's the cold shoulder these days?


They are way to important for the local media.

They want to talk to the national media. They go Big Time!

They want to talk to anyone that will pay them. JMO.

[jammies]

They are way to important for the local media.

They want to talk to the national media. They go Big Time!

They want to talk to anyone that will pay them. JMO.


Bet they do a lot of Tivo'ing at their house. I can see Cindy making GA watch themselves on TV and criticizing his every move.

[MissElainyS]

You make perfect sense. In order to hold the jaw in place, at a minimum, the strips of tape would've had to go far enough behind her ears around the back of her head to stick firmly in place. God, it's beyond appalling to type those words. :angry:

I honestly think that the medical examiner made a huge error in not being explicit in what he/she wrote on the report. It should have been specific where the duct tape was when they opened up the remains. It would have eliminated people from trying to guess and when it comes into court, the jury would not have to guess at that.

I do not believe that Casey took the time to sedate or drug this baby. In fact, I believe very strongly that she did not, so that she could have the pleasure of watching her arch enemy suffer. The one who stole her parent's affections, the one who stole her freedom, the one who stole the limelight away from Casey.

I believe that the duct tape is what is going to be the crux of this trial and the downfall of Casey Anthony.

[happygert]

Hi Happy!
it's not gonna happen ... I think that's why the defense seems focused on discrediting LE, jail officers, state attorney's office, the courts ...

Question though about 7 ... I thought the report said it didn't match the roll(s) from the Anthonys house ... did they really match the gas can tape?

yes IIRC it was same as the tape on can.. with the writing on it..might be wrong but that what I remember was the writing on the tape

[Imperfect4]

I honestly think that the medical examiner made a huge error in not being explicit in what he/she wrote on the report. It should have been specific where the duct tape was when they opened up the remains. It would have eliminated people from trying to guess and when it comes into court, the jury would not have to guess at that.

I do not believe that Casey took the time to sedate or drug this baby. In fact, I believe very strongly that she did not, so that she could have the pleasure of watching her arch enemy suffer. The one who stole her parent's affections, the one who stole her freedom, the one who stole the limelight away from Casey.

I believe that the duct tape is what is going to be the crux of this trial and the downfall of Casey Anthony.

Remember -- there are pictures, both from the discovery site and the ME's office. We're only seeing the text of the report.

[ConchGirl]

Hi Happy!
it's not gonna happen ... I think that's why the defense seems focused on discrediting LE, jail officers, state attorney's office, the courts ...

Question though about 7 ... I thought the report said it didn't match the roll(s) from the Anthonys house ... did they really match the gas can tape?

Documents released Wednesday by the State Attorney's Office in Orlando show the same type of laundry bag, duct tape and plastic bag discovered at the crime scene also were found in the house where Caylee lived.
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/local/021809_anthony_case_discovery_released

[Patty437]

They haven't released all the testing done on the tape yet...so it will be coming down the road sometime along with some other testing results found on items.

I'm hoping that somewhere on the tape Casey's fingerprints will be found. I'm shocked that the tape was wrapped several times around that lil Angels head.

ok...so we know the duct tape was wrapped entirely around her head in circles or strips placed one on top of the other?

[AlohaRainbow]

*snip*
2) grave wax on paper towels found in trunk.
*snip*
good list!
this is the first i've heard/seen about the wax on the paper towels... is it part of the autopsy report (that i haven't had a chance to read yet)?

[denjet]

Hey! I'm almost 54 and lived in Newport back in the 70's. What a coinkidink!
Sure is Imp! I've lived on Aquidneck Island about 35 years! :wink:

[Imperfect4]

good list!
this is the first i've heard/seen about the wax on the paper towels... is it part of the autopsy report (that i haven't had a chance to read yet)?

There are a couple additional reports. The grave wax is in a report about further testing of items found in the trunk of the car. Not sure exactly which report, but one released with the autopsy results yesterday.

[shellzbi]

Bet they do a lot of Tivo'ing at their house. I can see Cindy making GA watch themselves on TV and criticizing his every move.


You got that right.

They keep telling each other they need to work on their body language.

[sunstar]

ok...so we know the duct tape was wrapped entirely around her head in circles or strips placed one on top of the other?

I believe it was wrapped around her head, covering her hair and it was said her mandible was still attached to the skull, held there with the duct tape. MOO

[denjet]

good list!
this is the first i've heard/seen about the wax on the paper towels... is it part of the autopsy report (that i haven't had a chance to read yet)?

Yes Aloha, not sure which part thow, towards the back IIRC :smile:

[happygert]

ok...so we know the duct tape was wrapped entirely around her head in circles or strips placed one on top of the other?

completely around her head.. nose and mouth and hair . jaw bones still attached to the skull...because of the tape being wrapped around tightly..

[denjet]

... the bailiffs, the guy who fills the pop machine, the janitor, the pizza delivery guy, the gavel manufacturer, and juror #11's third grade teacher.

So much effort, so little production.
Thanks for the chuckle, Spots
:lol:

[Imperfect4]

Sure is Imp! I've lived on Aquidneck Island about 35 years! :wink:

I was there from 1973-78, bounced back and forth between Newport and Middletown. Both my parents are buried in Middletown. Small world!

Sorry for the O/T, folks. Back to your regular programming ... :smile:

[Rapunzel]

I'm sure that wasn't Casey's first hissy fit and she probably had some directed at Caylee too. That might have been mentioned to the counselor Cindy saw.

You would almost wonder during the alleged fight of June 15th if something actually happened to Caylee during the scuffle?
During the yelling and Cindy grabbing Casey's throat, could Caylee have gotten in the way, knocked down and possibly hurt? Could that have made the situation worse? Cindy is now absolutely livid so Casey grabs Caylee and hightails it out of the house?
Is that why the A's refuse to admit there was a fight that night because Caylee was hurt?

Could this be why Casey said..."Don't worry, I haven't said anything."

[AlohaRainbow]

*snip*
All we need to know about casey anthony and her penchant for lying is recalling her taking Allen and Melich to Universal Studios and walking confidently down the corridor to "her office" which did not exist.

What kind of mentality does it take to attempt something like this? *snip*
i've often wondered exactly what she was thinking while she was leading them down the corridor to her "office"...
* 'gee, wonder how i'll get out of this?'...
or
* 'omg! how far do we have to walk before they'll just say ok we believe you' ..
or
* 'they're following me on a f--in' whim!'
or
* ' what a waste, a huge waste! what's wrong with them?! they should be out looking for zenaida fernandez hyphen gongalez! '
or... ?

[denjet]

I was there from 1973-78, bounced back and forth between Newport and Middletown. Both my parents are buried in Middletown. Small world!

Sorry for the O/T, folks. Back to your regular programming ... :smile:
Ya, small world, moved to Middletown in '75, lived 20 years on Green End Ave

Sorry for the O/T ... I will stop now :blushing:

[ConchGirl]

One article to refresh our memories as I go back to find the actual document listing all items taken from the A's home by LE.....

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2009/02/disturbing-new-evidence-released-in-caylee-anthony-murder-case.html

From your link:

The duct tape over the mouth area of the skull appears to have caught up the hair alongside the skull. This is what appears to have kept the tape in place. The hair had to be cut in order for the tape to be properly removed…. On the tape within a black oval was written the word 'HENKEL.' Also written on the tape was 'Consumer Adhesives Inc. max temp 200f Avon Ohio 44011.' The tape was affixed to the skull in such a manner that the mandible was still adjacent to the skull."

Here's George's gas can:
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/gascam.jpg

[Rapunzel]

Thats why the a's are so mad that Ron Cummings rejected them. It would have given their foundation credibility. They could go into court and say see we were on tv to help find missing kids were working on the Haleigh case.


Yeah, and they brought national attention to the case...don't ya know.:wink:

[Sun]

I honestly think that the medical examiner made a huge error in not being explicit in what he/she wrote on the report. It should have been specific where the duct tape was when they opened up the remains. It would have eliminated people from trying to guess and when it comes into court, the jury would not have to guess at that.

I do not believe that Casey took the time to sedate or drug this baby. In fact, I believe very strongly that she did not, so that she could have the pleasure of watching her arch enemy suffer. The one who stole her parent's affections, the one who stole her freedom, the one who stole the limelight away from Casey.

I believe that the duct tape is what is going to be the crux of this trial and the downfall of Casey Anthony.

Included in her report were xrays and diagrams.... which were all redacted and not available for public release due to Judge Strickland's rulings. I don't understand why you are confused on this issue.

[sunstar]

i've often wondered exactly what she was thinking while she was leading them down the corridor to her "office"...
* 'gee, wonder how i'll get out of this?'...
or
* 'omg! how far do we have to walk before they'll just say ok we believe you' ..
or
* 'they're following me on a f--in' whim!'
or
* ' what a waste, a huge waste! what's wrong with them?! they should be out looking for zenaida fernandez hyphen gongalez! '
or... ?
I'll go with the last one. :biggrin: I don't think at that point she thought LE wouldn't believe every word she said.

[KP1935]

i've often wondered exactly what she was thinking while she was leading them down the corridor to her "office"...
* 'gee, wonder how i'll get out of this?'...
or
* 'omg! how far do we have to walk before they'll just say ok we believe you' ..
or
* 'they're following me on a f--in' whim!'
or
* ' what a waste, a huge waste! what's wrong with them?! they should be out looking for zenaida fernandez hyphen gongalez! '
or... ?

This is exactly what I think she was thinking. Once she was able to BS her way past the security she probably felt LE would say, "Oh okay, no need to go all the way to your office." Too bad they called her bluff (reminds me of the Seinfeld episode with George and his place in the Hamptons!).

[sunstar]

From your link:

The duct tape over the mouth area of the skull appears to have caught up the hair alongside the skull. This is what appears to have kept the tape in place. The hair had to be cut in order for the tape to be properly removed…. On the tape within a black oval was written the word 'HENKEL.' Also written on the tape was 'Consumer Adhesives Inc. max temp 200f Avon Ohio 44011.' The tape was affixed to the skull in such a manner that the mandible was still adjacent to the skull."

Here's George's gas can:
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/gascam.jpg
Thanks for the additional photo of the gas can. This evidence alone is huge since that particular tape (with the imprinted logo) is no longer manufactured. MOO

[AlohaRainbow]

he is lame. enter the Spector trial whereas Baden has a mobile Lana C able to cough up blood AND breath with a severed spine. how unusual? lol and he had months to prepare his 'expert findings', but it was done at the last minute and was, IIRC, it was not even an entire page worth of opinion..... :confused:
*snip*
Baden is not credible. fits right in.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*
iirc, didn't dr baden also describe his last minute 'finding' in the phil spector case as sort of an "ah ha!" moment? (can't remember if he actually used the phrase "ah ha", but something similar.)

[denjet]

If and I say if I remember correctly the tape on Caylee did not match any cut off of any role but absolutely did match the tape on the gas can.
Not sure if they even found rolls of tape at the house.
Maybe someone else can clarify that.
But it did match the tape on the gas can.
Thanks trich,
Wow, that's awesome :thumbsup:

[Sun]

http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_transcript_SearchWarrant080508.htm

I then went to Universal Studios and met with Investigator Leonard Turtora. After briefing him on what I was there for, he checked several names in their database and came up with the following results. The defendant was fired from Universal on 4/24/06 and she was NOT employed there. Jeffrey Hopkins (an alledged outcry witness) did work for Universal Studios but the was fired in 5/13/02. Juliette Lewis (another alledged outcry witness) was not found as a current or a former employee of Universal Studios. Zenaida Gonzalez (who the defendant claimed was a seasonal employee) was also not a current or former employee of Universal Studios.

While with Leonard, I called the defendant on my cell phone and put my phones speaker on so all could hear. The defendant confirmed that she did currently work for Universal as an event coordinator. She said her office extension was 407-224-1000 x 104. Leonard said this was not a valid extension and even tried to calling it. She said her direct supervisor was Tom (Manley). They have no Tom Manley employed there. The head of the events department is Tom Mattson. Leonard called him and confirmed they did not have the defendant listed as an employee, either past or present. I ask the defendant where her office was (she claimed to have her own office) and she couldn't give me the building number or location. When asked if she had her current work ID she said she did not know where it was.

I asked Sgt. Allen to see if he could arrange to go back to the Hopespring address and meet with the defendant to see if she'd agree to come up to Universal Studios. At 12:30 hrs Sgt. Allen and Detective Appie Wells went to the Hopespring address and met with the defendant who agreed to accompany them to Universal Studios. Investigator Turtoca agreed to assist us with this.

Once at Universal Studios, I met with the three at the employees entrance. Investigator Turtoca was present. The defendant, who didn't have her ID, explained to the security officer at the entrance she was a current employee and lost her ID. When the security guard (Steve) ask who her supervisor was, she told him it was Tom Manley. When told no Tom Manley worked there, she had no answer. Investigator Turtoca agreed to escourt the defendant to where she said she worked. We followed her into a building nearby and down the buildings inner hall. She walked with purpose and acted like she knew where she was going. Halfway down this hall, she stopped, turned, and told us she hadn't told us the truth and she was not a current employee.
At this time we found a small conference room in which to talk to the defendant. This conversation was also recorded. Prior to beginning this interview, we stressed that the door was unlocked and we were in the room for privacy only. She understood and agreed to speak with us on tape. In short, the defendant was confronted with all the inconsistencies in her story and the fact that I had proven she lied on almost everything she had told me. She admitted to me she had lied about the apartment at 301 N Hillside being one of Zenaida's. She admitted her ex-boyfriend Ricardo Morales lived across from this residence, and though she had stayed there since the child went missing, she never mention this address or name to us. She admitted she lied about being employed with Universal, claiming that the may happen to find out if her child Caylee or Zenaida had visited Universal Studios since June 9th. She admitted that she should have called police the day the child went missing and in not doing so, she failed to provide the victim with care, supervision and services necessary to maintain the child's physical or mental health. The defendant still maintained that she last saw her daughter with a Zenaida on June 9th, 2008 at the S. Conway address.

It should be noted that at no time during the above interviews did the defendant show any obvious emotion as to the loss of her child. She did not cry or give any indication that she was legitimately worried about her childs safety. She remained stoic and monotone during a majority or our contacts.

[DebinNv]

One article to refresh our memories as I go back to find the actual document listing all items taken from the A's home by LE.....

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2009/02/disturbing-new-evidence-released-in-caylee-anthony-murder-case.html

Thank you, I needed that!

[sunstar]

Baez reminds me of Geragross, they don't care if their client is guilty, it's all about them. Baez doesn't care about Caylee, he doesn't care that her last moments were horrifying. He's not in this for anything but himself, if he did care, he would hear Caylee voice, see the evidence against OC and get her to plea. I understand OC has the right to a defense, but when there is none, you do what is right for the victim and the accused. But since he continue's this charade toward a trial, knowing the evidence against her, proves he doesn't serve justice or OC. If OC was innocent, she would stand up and speak and prove that innocence, but she can't. How nice for Baez that this will be his claim to fame:angry:.

LOL Geragross gets to defend Chris Brown, guess he couldn't get a plea deal. Guess SQDRISP didn't do much for his business.:tonguewag:
They're all in denial, imo. Casey didn't do anything to find her "missing" daughter in the 31 days between 6/16 and 7/15, she didn't do anything to find her while she was out on bail, and on and on. Nobody has gone out looking for the "real killer" and the best the defense seems to be coming up with is finding friends of Casey's to try to implicate in Caylee's death. Well, the truth seems that Casey was the only one who drove her car in late June and there's a lot of evidence out there pointing to her guilt. I don't think the defense would want a plea deal anyway since the state probably wouldn't go any lower than LWOP. In their delusion I believe they think they can get an acquittal. MOO

[ConchGirl]

Baez reminds me of Geragross, they don't care if their client is guilty, it's all about them. Baez doesn't care about Caylee, he doesn't care that her last moments were horrifying. He's not in this for anything but himself, if he did care, he would hear Caylee voice, see the evidence against OC and get her to plea. I understand OC has the right to a defense, but when there is none, you do what is right for the victim and the accused. But since he continue's this charade toward a trial, knowing the evidence against her, proves he doesn't serve justice or OC. If OC was innocent, she would stand up and speak and prove that innocence, but she can't. How nice for Baez that this will be his claim to fame:angry:.

LOL Geragross gets to defend Chris Brown, guess he couldn't get a plea deal. Guess SQDRISP didn't do much for his business.:tonguewag:

Casey was indigent before she killed her daughter. She should have a public defender like everyone else. I can't wait until we find out who is financing this fiasco. moo

[denjet]

The lastest from Jan Barrett:

Caylee Anthony’s Grandparents Lose In Court Today! (http://www.bloggernews.net/121297)

[apothecary]

From your link:

The duct tape over the mouth area of the skull appears to have caught up the hair alongside the skull. This is what appears to have kept the tape in place. The hair had to be cut in order for the tape to be properly removed…. On the tape within a black oval was written the word 'HENKEL.' Also written on the tape was 'Consumer Adhesives Inc. max temp 200f Avon Ohio 44011.' The tape was affixed to the skull in such a manner that the mandible was still adjacent to the skull."

Here's George's gas can:
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/gascam.jpg

Didn't LE take those cans to test for decomp fluid not knowing at that time that the duct tape on it would be a big clue.If George had known about the duct tape he probably would have taken the tape off the cans.

[Pruddennce]

Very perceptive, Ladyhawk. I can't imagine Casey wanting Caylee sleeping with her and Caylee had her own bed, of which we've seen many pictures. Cindy is full of BS. I'm beginning to wonder who really is the psychopath. Both of them, I guess.

MyCharlie, the first jailhouse call between them sealed it for me.....they are both psychopaths.

Cindy cool and calm and calling her sweetheart, as if this about her smashing her car up *no worries*....a child has been ABDUCTED and Cindy says, which presser, Ive done serveral......

the line is blurred.....IMO its psycho vs psycho....

Cindy has tried her best to placate Casey by 'supporting' her to a ridiculous degree in the press: IMO, because, she is trying to leverage...she does NOT want Casey's defense to 'infer' (which is what it will be if she doesnt testify)...they do not want her to spill the truth about their entire relationship and precisely what the catalyst was for Casey leaving the home. that secret is important to Cindy.

it wasnt important to Lee, because he told Jesse G that Cindy got physical with Casey the nite of the 15th. Jesse stated that Casey told him she had an argument with her mother.

its out there, but what isnt out there yet, is how the defense is going to bring that information forth....thru Casey (crezzy of course) or thru suppositions.

whatever Casey's defense is going to be, IMO, her parents are going to be part of that defense.....under the bus they go.........wheeeeeee.....

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence......*

[kOOkie1]

You're right Sandy. I don't think anyone has or will ever hear the entire truth of what she did to Caylee.

All we need to know about casey anthony and her penchant for lying is recalling her taking Allen and Melich to Universal Studios and walking confidently down the corridor to "her office" which did not exist.

What kind of mentality does it take to attempt something like this? She is doing the exact same thing now, lying and deceiving. Only now she has a multi million dollar defense team to assist her in her deception.

Something is very wrong with our "justice" system, imo.

I was wondering the same thing about how she handled Amy. I mean steals from her..takes her cks to the bank wiping the girl out while she is on vacation..yet, chats it up with her and even picks her up from the airport wih no worry in the world that Amy was going to find out??
Ballzee I tell ya':huh:

[ConchGirl]

Didn't LE take those cans to test for decomp fluid not knowing at that time that the duct tape on it would be a big clue.If George had known about the duct tape he probably would have taken the tape off the cans.

ITA, I guess Casey didn't tell Daddy that she borrowed his duct tape to cover Caylee's mouth. :crying:

[AlohaRainbow]

There are a couple additional reports. The grave wax is in a report about further testing of items found in the trunk of the car. Not sure exactly which report, but one released with the autopsy results yesterday.

thanks!
i'll read those reports later this afternoon.

[AlohaRainbow]

Yes Aloha, not sure which part thow, towards the back IIRC :smile:

thanks :seeya:

[Dells]

I know we can't read the mind of a nut case, but I often wonder what the OC was going to tell people as time went on about where Caylee was. You can only go to the beach and Disney World so many times. I realize she only lived "in the moment" but telling friends she's here or there and dealing with Cindy about where Caylee was is totally different.


Maybe she would have planned to disappear by then? Perhaps she would have tried to go out to California to see Mark Hawkins? :shrug:

Cindy found Casey the day that Casey picked Amy up from the airport. It would have been a matter of days at most before Amy realized that her bank account was wiped out and by whom. If she was planning on disappearing she sure left it down to the wire then.

There is also a chance that she was just waiting it out to see when she would get caught by either her mother (because of Caylee) or Amy (because of the stolen money) and then she would try to lie her way out of it like she had always done in the past.:shrug: Casey had to know that her house of cards was on very shaky ground and was about to collapse.

[101Spots]

I honestly think that the medical examiner made a huge error in not being explicit in what he/she wrote on the report. It should have been specific where the duct tape was when they opened up the remains. It would have eliminated people from trying to guess and when it comes into court, the jury would not have to guess at that.

I do not believe that Casey took the time to sedate or drug this baby. In fact, I believe very strongly that she did not, so that she could have the pleasure of watching her arch enemy suffer. The one who stole her parent's affections, the one who stole her freedom, the one who stole the limelight away from Casey.

I believe that the duct tape is what is going to be the crux of this trial and the downfall of Casey Anthony.

They have pictures, which the jury will see.

We don't.:mad:

[Patty437]

One article to refresh our memories as I go back to find the actual document listing all items taken from the A's home by LE.....

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2009/02/disturbing-new-evidence-released-in-caylee-anthony-murder-case.html

In reading this about what was found at the place where she dumped the baby, I was reminded about the gatorade bottle with residue and a toilet paper insert roll with a syringe inside. We don't know if that means a syringe like an insulin syringe or a plastic baby syringe used to give oral medicine do we?

[101Spots]

i've often wondered exactly what she was thinking while she was leading them down the corridor to her "office"...
* 'gee, wonder how i'll get out of this?'...
or
* 'omg! how far do we have to walk before they'll just say ok we believe you' ..
or
* 'they're following me on a f--in' whim!'
or
* ' what a waste, a huge waste! what's wrong with them?! they should be out looking for zenaida fernandez hyphen gongalez! '
or... ?

I'd guess, ".................................................. ..."

[Pruddennce]

iirc, didn't dr baden also describe his last minute 'finding' in the phil spector case as sort of an "ah ha!" moment? (can't remember if he actually used the phrase "ah ha", but something similar.)

yep. the sunday before his day for testimony, he says I HAD AN AH-HA moment, which came to him after FOUR YEARS, wasnt included in his post-mortem findings AND failed to turn over this 'ah-ha theory of partial-transection' (you see, HE SAYS, LanaC 's neck actually broke entirely in the ride to the morgue)...RIGHTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT! so she was breathing, he says, for 3 minutes and coughing blood up on PS. Rightttttttttttt...

there was no evidence of a partial, *it could have happened later* he says.. (rightttttttttt!, never mind a gunshot to the mouth)....so the esteemed Dr Baden thought his theory was plausible....and didnt amend his findings for the state....

what a liar. he's old. he's done. its about sensational cases that will compensate him...forget compromising his expertise....he doesnt care. his extensive career, he thinks, will outweigh his 'theories' and people will listen up just because he's Dr Baden. NOT!

hopefully he will not inject himself into this case, but of course, like attracts like...the anthonys are a piece of work as well as her defense team. people like Dr B have damaged the justice system, he is a clogged drain....Dr Lee and Baden are sell-outs, the science doesnt matter anymore. only the green.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[Dells]

Well, shoot. I'll go one further. What was she going to tell Amy, about her checks, with her OWN signature on the back, when Amy got home??? There was no way out of that one. That just begs for a head shake. How dumb was that.

Well, Casey tried to explain away the stolen money/checks from Amy saying it was all part of the script that she was following per Zanny's instructions.:rolleyes: Yeah, like that's believable.:sneaky: Casey's going down. Her explanations (lies) are so far fetched that there is no way that a jury is going to believe her. Her lawyers and her family are making complete fools of themselves by "claiming" that they believe her ridiculous stories, explanations, and lies.

[Citygirl]

I honestly think that the medical examiner made a huge error in not being explicit in what he/she wrote on the report. It should have been specific where the duct tape was when they opened up the remains. It would have eliminated people from trying to guess and when it comes into court, the jury would not have to guess at that.

I do not believe that Casey took the time to sedate or drug this baby. In fact, I believe very strongly that she did not, so that she could have the pleasure of watching her arch enemy suffer. The one who stole her parent's affections, the one who stole her freedom, the one who stole the limelight away from Casey.

I believe that the duct tape is what is going to be the crux of this trial and the downfall of Casey Anthony.


No pictures were allowed in the reports that were released to the public..nor any xrays..
You can bet they will have some sort of exhibit in court..whether it's a doll head or a mannequin head..that will have the tape wrapped around the head just like was done to Caylee..it's gonna make us sick to see what this mother did to her baby..as if we aren't sick enough already..

[Snoopy50]

Hi Snoopy!
I find it hard to believe that the Anthonys didn't at least get a preliminary autopsy when the remains were turned over to them and that they saw the additional test results and reports when Baez got them ... Cindy, wait for answers? I don't think she's capable ... JMO
Hi to you!!!
I have to laugh at this, instant gratification is big with that family, Cindy probably snuck into the MEs office to read the report before it was signed. They are lying when they say they never saw it, why else would they object so strongly on the release?

[Snoopy50]

You make perfect sense. In order to hold the jaw in place, at a minimum, the strips of tape would've had to go far enough behind her ears around the back of her head to stick firmly in place. God, it's beyond appalling to type those words. :angry: For months, my daughter has been insisting that Casey's prints are on the duct tape. I spoke with her a while ago, and told her about the report being released. We talked about the LAYERS of tape, and she explained this is why there is no way the prints would NOT be on some of it. So.....I asked her if she has known there were layers before and she said she knew there was "not just one little 'ol piece of duct tape". She went on to explain that she got this info from her brother, and he is the silent one, so what he tells her, she never tells me. I can understand as they would never wish to compromise anyone's investigation.

[Rapunzel]

I know I am not the first person to make this observation, but Casey is one tough nut to crack ---- in fact, she may be an impossible nut to crack and she may take the details of what really happened to Caylee to her own grave ---- but I have to wonder if ANYONE, anyone at all, has heard the truth from Casey's lips. Baez? Cindy? George? Lee?


Maybe...in a backwards sort of way...:wink::wink:

[Sun]

Well, Casey tried to explain away the stolen money/checks from Amy saying it was all part of the script that she was following per Zanny's instructions.:rolleyes: Yeah, like that's believable.:sneaky: Casey's going down. Her explanations (lies) are so far fetched that there is no way that a jury is going to believe her. Her lawyers and her family are making complete fools of themselves by "claiming" that they believe her ridiculous stories, explanations, and lies.

I get the feeling that Casey is hoping to make the jury believe that Jesse and Amy are in cahoots in the killing of Caylee. Thus the need to get all of their phone records. Of course, Lyon may very well put a stop to all of this in time.

[AnnieBell]

I don't know who he thought he was kidding with the hair on the duct tape thing. Even if the autopsy report hadn't been released to the public, it would have been used in the trial and he would look bad. What is it with the Anthony's that lawyers are laying their reputations on the line for them?

JMO

Afternoon everyone,

I just remembered that while BC was denying the duct tape and hair Cindy was sitting right next to him shaking her head in agreement.(implying she knew but how?) fast forward to the hearing Friday when BC and George both denied ever seeing the autopsy report. Hmmm.

[Imperfect4]

For months, my daughter has been insisting that Casey's prints are on the duct tape. I spoke with her a while ago, and told her about the report being released. We talked about the LAYERS of tape, and she explained this is why there is no way the prints would NOT be on some of it. So.....I asked her if she has known there were layers before and she said she knew there was "not just one little 'ol piece of duct tape". She went on to explain that she got this info from her brother, and he is the silent one, so what he tells her, she never tells me. I can understand as they would never wish to compromise anyone's investigation.

Your inside information (which by the way has never compromised the investigation, imo) continues to confirm for me the state has plenty more evidence than we've seen, and the placing of the DP back on the table was not done on a f***ing whim, nor as a strategy to force Casey's hand.

They've got the goods on the odious one. I've been very confident of that all along, despite concerns others have shared and despite all the naysaying of the defense-oriented TH's on HLN, JVM, NG, and XYZ, LOL.

[Dells]

I also do not understand why these lawyers are tripping over themselves to defend this obvious deception(using your word).Do they live in a storyland or some tvland where anything is acceptable and the truth is misconstrued and twisted to justify this cold blooded murder.In my mind the whole defence team is living in lala land and playing their roles in this made for tv drama.I guess an ordinary court case just does not satisfy their egos and they need some manufactured drama to show off their superiour lawyering skills to the adoring crouds that will be spellbound by their brilliance.Never mind that an adorable baby was snuffed in the process and many others innocent people dragged into this cesspool.This little twit has everyone wrapped around her finger and knows it.

I so agree w/your post. I just don't get what is so special about Casey Anthony that these lawyers are willing to go to the lengths that they are, in order to defend her. It is a complete mystery to me. What is so sad, is that Caylee is being forgotten in the process. Doesn't her life and death mean anything to these people?!?:angry:

[sunstar]

But thinking that OC can get an acquittal is not in OC best interest. That's not delusion, that's let's try to make money off this guilty murderer. Baez is murdering Caylee again. The trial may not be until next June, but OC is in jail, not prison yet, but she will be.

I could understand this more if the client were the likes of Phil Spector, OJ Simpson or somebody with big money to pay the defense attorneys. But Baez can't be getting that much from Casey or her family so that's why I used the word 'delusional'. Either he's incredibly naive and believes her or she is adament about being innocent and won't even discuss anything with the word "guilt" in it. MOO

[Snoopy50]

Your inside information (which by the way has never compromised the investigation, imo) continues to confirm for me the state has plenty more evidence than we've seen, and the placing of the DP back on the table was not done on a f***ing whim, nor as a strategy to force Casey's hand.

They've got the goods on the odious one. I've been very confident of that all along, despite concerns others have shared and despite all the naysaying of the defense-oriented TH's on HLN, JVM, NG, and XYZ, LOL.
I think the prosecutors have a pretty tight case and they have been very good about not leaking information or showing their hand. Smart bunch IMO.

[sunstar]

For months, my daughter has been insisting that Casey's prints are on the duct tape. I spoke with her a while ago, and told her about the report being released. We talked about the LAYERS of tape, and she explained this is why there is no way the prints would NOT be on some of it. So.....I asked her if she has known there were layers before and she said she knew there was "not just one little 'ol piece of duct tape". She went on to explain that she got this info from her brother, and he is the silent one, so what he tells her, she never tells me. I can understand as they would never wish to compromise anyone's investigation.
What if the tape roll only had what was found on Caylee's head left on it, and was rolled off the roll itself, round and round her head and only when it neared the end of the tape was cut? In other words, the perp would be holding onto the sides of the roll and not touching the tape, except the when starting and ending the process? :shrug: MOO

[wondering?]

im just curious does any one here have a myspace? Cindys 50plus years old and she has a myspace?

I'm older than Cindy and yes, I have a MySpace account. Great way to keep in touch with my "young" relatives!
They are slowly going over to FaceBook though so had to get an account there and have yet to figure out how to use it easily!!

[seeing_eye]

can someone explain to me George's statement to the judge, that releasing the autopsy report will tarnish Caylee's memory? She is the victim here, how can she be tarnished?

I suspect that G&C don't want the dirty details of the autopsy released to keep the public from becoming more pizzed at their daughter.

George's tears dried pretty darn fast when the attorney for the media questioned him.

That's what I asked earlier. How can the autopsy report tarnish Caylee's memory? That doesn't even make sense.

I've always heard forensic shows state that the victim always speaks through the autopsy, that the autopsy findings allow the victim's voice to be heard. According to this autopsy report, Casey silenced Caylee's voice with the duct tape and G & C are fighting really hard to keep her silenced.

[Patty437]

Maybe, if anyone had the decoder ring that day...and the ability to suspend all belief...remember Annie saying..."I didn't want to be the one who knew the truth..." I don't think any of them do - that's the problem...

Annie's the same one, I think, who said she believes Casey had a sitter. Said it at the depo, which surprised me.

[Sun]

That's what I asked earlier. How can the autopsy report tarnish Caylee's memory? That doesn't even make sense.

I've always heard forensic shows state that the victim always speaks through the autopsy, that the autopsy findings allow the victim's voice to be heard. According to this autopsy report, Casey silenced Caylee's voice with the duct tape and G & C are fighting really hard to keep her silenced.

I've stopped trying to make sense of what any of the Anthonys say. IMO, if it doesn't make sense, then it is NOT THE TRUTH.

George and Cindy wanted the ME report to remain secret for one reason. That reason was Casey. JMO

[sammy62]

From your link:

The duct tape over the mouth area of the skull appears to have caught up the hair alongside the skull. This is what appears to have kept the tape in place. The hair had to be cut in order for the tape to be properly removed…. On the tape within a black oval was written the word 'HENKEL.' Also written on the tape was 'Consumer Adhesives Inc. max temp 200f Avon Ohio 44011.' The tape was affixed to the skull in such a manner that the mandible was still adjacent to the skull."

Here's George's gas can:
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/gascam.jpg

IIRC....Henkel has not put the words on their tape in years. So it may be common to have "Henkel Tape", but unusual to have a roll of tape with the words on it.

[sammy62]

I've stopped trying to make sense of what any of the Anthonys say. IMO, if it doesn't make sense, then it is NOT THE TRUTH.

George and Cindy wanted the ME report to remain secret for one reason. That reason was Casey. JMO

I'm not so sure that George or Cindy care about Casey either. They only care about themselves.....and money.

[gaelicpeas]

I could understand this more if the client were the likes of Phil Spector, OJ Simpson or somebody with big money to pay the defense attorneys. But Baez can't be getting that much from Casey or her family so that's why I used the word 'delusional'. Either he's incredibly naive and believes her or she is adament about being innocent and won't even discuss anything with the word "guilt" in it. MOOUnfortunately, with the media attention this case has received, EVERYONE will make money off of it.

I, personally, think that is the murder motive. But regardless, it explains why the defense "team" has been gathered.

It is sad, but media exposure pays. JMO

[101Spots]

That's what I asked earlier. How can the autopsy report tarnish Caylee's memory? That doesn't even make sense.

I've always heard forensic shows state that the victim always speaks through the autopsy, that the autopsy findings allow the victim's voice to be heard. According to this autopsy report, Casey silenced Caylee's voice with the duct tape and G & C are fighting really hard to keep her silenced.

George doesn't want to hear the truth. He'd rather live in Fantasyland.

[Scampi]

What about the report indicating that the "mandible" was wrapped? Makes me think of old cartoons where someone has been to the dentist and they wrapped their heads from the top of their heads...UNDER THE CHIN and back up and over the head to hold the jaw in place...that to me does not include tape across the lips - was that was a separate piece meant to quiet her? I wonder if she pulled off several pieces and stuck them on something so her hands were free to allow her to wrap these multiple pieces without having to stop after each one? Or did she have to pull off a piece of tape, bite it with her teeth to tear it...place it on her head, pull off another piece, bite it with her teeth to tear it, repeat? CHILLS Brrrrrrrr:confused:

I am pretty sure Dr. G. said in her report that the duct tape covered Caylee's nose and mouth areas. IMO, the tape was applied with such rage and force, that even after 6 months and a flood, it still was found in place. When the jury sees the photo of that skull, it's all over for the OC, imo.

[seeing_eye]

It seems that unless we have the training that Dr. Michael Baden has had that we really do not know what we are talking about when we criticize his findings.
He has solved many, many death cases which has led to criminals being arrested.

He has had several "Autopsy" shows on HBO that clearly show how intelligent he is.

<Respectfully snipped.>

There is no doubt that Dr. Baden is a well educated and well trained man. But there is a difference between being educated and having common sense. His comments on Greta last night, as well as many other shows I've seen him on, shows he is lacking in the common sense area.

[FrankieBones1]

im just curious does any one here have a myspace? Cindys 50plus years old and she has a myspace?I would hope that most over fifty would have moved on to something more sophisticated like Facebook. Not many use MySpace (that I know of) now a days. It's pretty much passe.

[FoxySly]

what a liar. he's old. he's done. its about sensational cases that will compensate him...forget compromising his expertise....he doesnt care. his extensive career, he thinks, will outweigh his 'theories' and people will listen up just because he's Dr Baden. NOT!

hopefully he will not inject himself into this case, but of course, like attracts like...the anthonys are a piece of work as well as her defense team. people like Dr B have damaged the justice system, he is a clogged drain....Dr Lee and Baden are sell-outs, the science doesnt matter anymore. only the green.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*


~Snip

ITA Pru!

And IMO it's so beyond sad because they do possess the awesome HONEST knowledge yet chose to trade the TRUTH for money.

Dr Venger was my neurosurgeon & was considered the best in the west. What he did to the Las Vegas medical field for money is beyond my comprehension.

If I had that power to heal, prove forensics with TRUE science... there would be no money amount to me worth losing that satisfaction in my heart & mind.

Once upon a time I had the utmost respect for these men, now IMO they are pathetic.

Sly

~

[sunstar]

What about the report indicating that the "mandible" was wrapped? Makes me think of old cartoons where someone has been to the dentist and they wrapped their heads from the top of their heads...UNDER THE CHIN and back up and over the head to hold the jaw in place...that to me does not include tape across the lips - was that was a separate piece meant to quiet her? I wonder if she pulled off several pieces and stuck them on something so her hands were free to allow her to wrap these multiple pieces without having to stop after each one? Or did she have to pull off a piece of tape, bite it with her teeth to tear it...place it on her head, pull off another piece, bite it with her teeth to tear it, repeat? CHILLS Brrrrrrrr:confused:

Tearing the tape off with her teeth would leave impressions and saliva, so if she didn't want to leave any evidence she would've cut it. As gross as the photos must be, this is one time I'd like to see an illustration at least to get the idea of how her head was wrapped. Maybe even a computerized image from someone who really understands what's in the report? :sad:

[seeing_eye]

A child is dead. Her mother was the last one to be seen with her and didn't report anything as to her true whereabouts or physical welfare for over a month is enough to know something wrong happened. It does not matter whether it was accidental or not, Casey was responsible as her mother to ensure her well being. Caylee could have died as the result of heat exhaustion in her car seat while Casey talked away on her cell phone. She might have had duct tape on her mouth to keep her quiet and if Caylee was struggling she could have overheated. No matter, Casey is responsible for the death of her child. I don't think lack of COD will sway the jury.

You know, I have a very hard time trying to believe that there is a possibility of anyone wrapping several layers of duct tape around a child's head, even taping the hair down, with the expectation of removing the tape and showing the child to the world the next day. Can you imagine what she would look like after removing that tape? And what kind of lie could someone come up with that would explain the appearance? IMO, when that child was taped like that, the PRP had no intention of ever removing the tape.

[Pruddennce]

Annie's the same one, I think, who said she believes Casey had a sitter. Said it at the depo, which surprised me.

Every single person that LE spoke to was told by Casey that she had a sitter/nanny. it doesnt surprise me. there is no reason why anyone WOULD NOT believe her....considering no one was 'keeping up' with Casey and her motherhood/employment . the friends she had prior to the new crowd thought first and foremost, her mother was the babysitter any time that Casey was out and about.

until casey began telling them she has a nanny....she talks and talks and talks, nobody cared what she was saying.

her slow progression into staying overnite began with Ricardo.....and that was only a few times. her last lie to her mother about 'working at nite' was the anything but clothes party. Cindy found her flag pic and was furious. many things led up to the nite of the 15th....she was forging checks starting in february, from what we can see in the doc dumps. prior to that, which was not included, document-wise, was Lee's admission she stole checks from him AND Ryan P.

'this situation' began long before June 15th and if you were on the other end of Casey's lament, she was living with crazy parents who she could not tolerate. having a 'babysitter' outside of her mother would appear to be a logical step. afterall, no one had a clue she didnt have a job. she always had enough money to get by and go out and party via her thieving occupation.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[shadowdiana]

If Casey were 16, Cindy would have a right to tell Casey what to do, but Casey was 22, a mother, and supposedly working for a living. A normal mother would want her daughter (Casey) to be dating, having a social life, and able to enjoy some free time in order to have a healthy, normal life. I don't think it was any of Cindy's business what Casey did with her free time. Cindy should have stayed out of it and realized that, as an adult, Casey should be able to make responsible decisions. I think Cindy should have helped Casey with overnight child care since she didn't have to do anything extra to look after a sleeping child, and I think she should not have harassed Casey with phone calls every time she went out.

As you said...Casey was a mother...no daddy...= no free time :thumbdown:
Any "free" time she had was when another was willing to watch Caylee.
Maybe Cindy was fed up, who knows?
more likely CA was just manipulating....but to reiterate...if you have a young child, you are sole caretaker = no free time unless someone GIVES it to you or you PAY for it. JMOL

[frances1]

For months, my daughter has been insisting that Casey's prints are on the duct tape. I spoke with her a while ago, and told her about the report being released. We talked about the LAYERS of tape, and she explained this is why there is no way the prints would NOT be on some of it. So.....I asked her if she has known there were layers before and she said she knew there was "not just one little 'ol piece of duct tape". She went on to explain that she got this info from her brother, and he is the silent one, so what he tells her, she never tells me. I can understand as they would never wish to compromise anyone's investigation.

Snoopy, are you saying your adult children are assigned to this case in Florida?

[sunstar]

You know, I have a very hard time trying to believe that there is a possibility of anyone wrapping several layers of duct tape around a child's head, even taping the hair down, with the expectation of removing the tape and showing the child to the world the next day. Can you imagine what she would look like after removing that tape? And what kind of lie could someone come up with that would explain the appearance? IMO, when that child was taped like that, the PRP had no intention of ever removing the tape.

I agree. No way could that ever be explained. Her hair would be pulled out and since she was only 2 y/o, the tape would damage her skin. MOO

[Scampi]

You know, I have a very hard time trying to believe that there is a possibility of anyone wrapping several layers of duct tape around a child's head, even taping the hair down, with the expectation of removing the tape and showing the child to the world the next day. Can you imagine what she would look like after removing that tape? And what kind of lie could someone come up with that would explain the appearance? IMO, when that child was taped like that, the PRP had no intention of ever removing the tape.

An excellent point and one that cannot be stressed enough, imo. This was a very calculated and deliberate murder.

[seeing_eye]

You have got to be kidding.
That would work if your daughter had a full time job and was living on her own supporting her own child and not living with her parents and having them pay all her bills.
If any of my grown children lives under my roof no matter what the age she or he would be held accoutable....especially If I supplied her with transportation and supplied my grandaughter with the clothes on her back and the food she ate along with the free babysitting.
not to mention free rent etc.
I dislike Cindy and George because they did not make Casey accountable and responsible and because they are liars and cheats and
just down right nasty people but circumstances the way they were they should have taken more action and demanded more from Casey.
Letting her off with no responsibility at all created exactly what they got ....a pathalogical liar that could not live by any rules and was alowed to get away with such.
When people have children they need to realize that child comes first.....if you never get to go out on a date, or dance in a bar so be it....too many do not realize that your wants and needs become secondary to your childs.
No matter how much you might want a life outside of motherhood....well you never should have become a mother to start with....but once yor are your obligations are to that child .
That is the reason we have so many messed up children that become
broken adults is because of their children being passed off to whomever will watch them whenever you feel like you have to have fun
not giving them the attention they need.....children are suppose to be the light of your life not a burden.

ITA. If any of my kids were to live under my roof, no matter their age, they WILL obey the rules of MY house. Same would apply if I had to live in their house. I would have to obey THEIR rules. If my kids don't want to obey my rules while living with me, then they need to get their own place and begin living their own life on their own.

[Patty437]

Every single person that LE spoke to was told by Casey that she had a sitter/nanny. it doesnt surprise me. there is no reason why anyone WOULD NOT believe her....considering no one was 'keeping up' with Casey and her motherhood/employment . the friends she had prior to the new crowd thought first and foremost, her mother was the babysitter any time that Casey was out and about.

until casey began telling them she has a nanny....she talks and talks and talks, nobody cared what she was saying.

her slow progression into staying overnite began with Ricardo.....and that was only a few times. her last lie to her mother about 'working at nite' was the anything but clothes party. Cindy found her flag pic and was furious. many things led up to the nite of the 15th....she was forging checks starting in february, from what we can see in the doc dumps. prior to that, which was not included, document-wise, was Lee's admission she stole checks from him AND Ryan P.

'this situation' began long before June 15th and if you were on the other end of Casey's lament, she was living with crazy parents who she could not tolerate. having a 'babysitter' outside of her mother would appear to be a logical step. afterall, no one had a clue she didnt have a job. she always had enough money to get by and go out and party via her thieving occupation.

IMO

best regards,
Pru


*waiting on maggot evidence.....*
I can see believing Casey before all this happened about having a sitter, but if my recollection is right, she currently believes it even with all the info that has come out since 7/15/08.

[seeing_eye]

You make perfect sense. In order to hold the jaw in place, at a minimum, the strips of tape would've had to go far enough behind her ears around the back of her head to stick firmly in place. God, it's beyond appalling to type those words. :angry:

I think the tape would have to go completely around the head or far enough onto the hair that the hair combined with the tape held it onto the skull.

[AnnieBell]

Evening everyone,

If this was mentioned earlier my apologies. Stepped away from our discussions for awhile and trying to catch up with you guys.

During the LKL interview BC in his Baez language denied any duct tape or hair being found at the scene while Cindy sat there and shook her head in complete agreement with everything BC was spewing out of the mouth. Yet during the hearing on Friday didn't both BC and George deny having read the autopsy report? Hmmmm.

[seeing_eye]

If and I say if I remember correctly the tape on Caylee did not match any cut off of any role but absolutely did match the tape on the gas can.
Not sure if they even found rolls of tape at the house.
Maybe someone else can clarify that.
But it did match the tape on the gas can.

IIRC, there was no matching roll of tape found in the A's house, but it does match the tape on the gas cans. IMO, that shows a possibility that there once was a matching roll of tape in the A's house. I think it's quite probable that someone (possibly Casey while out on bond) got rid of the roll of tape.

[101Spots]

Evening everyone,

If this was mentioned earlier my apologies. Stepped away from our discussions for awhile and trying to catch up with you guys.

During the LKL interview BC in his Baez language denied any duct tape or hair being found at the scene while Cindy sat there and shook her head in complete agreement with everything BC was spewing out of the mouth. Yet during the hearing on Friday didn't both BC and George deny having read the autopsy report? Hmmmm.

George said no, Bradley admitted he has read it (prior to hearing).

[seeing_eye]

I honestly think that the medical examiner made a huge error in not being explicit in what he/she wrote on the report. It should have been specific where the duct tape was when they opened up the remains. It would have eliminated people from trying to guess and when it comes into court, the jury would not have to guess at that.

I do not believe that Casey took the time to sedate or drug this baby. In fact, I believe very strongly that she did not, so that she could have the pleasure of watching her arch enemy suffer. The one who stole her parent's affections, the one who stole her freedom, the one who stole the limelight away from Casey.

I believe that the duct tape is what is going to be the crux of this trial and the downfall of Casey Anthony.

<My bolding.>

I don't think the jury will have to guess about the placement of the tape. They will be shown photos and they'll have a better idea than we do by just reading the report.

[Rapunzel]

Thank you for your reply.. So you didn't read where socks or shoes were found either. Whew, thought I was losing it there. Did Caylee wear socks?

Just something I have wondered about. Dumb, I know. :blushing:


I don't know...did George say she was wearing sandals that day??? :wink::wink:

[*MoonRider*]

Evening everyone,

If this was mentioned earlier my apologies. Stepped away from our discussions for awhile and trying to catch up with you guys.

During the LKL interview BC in his Baez language denied any duct tape or hair being found at the scene while Cindy sat there and shook her head in complete agreement with everything BC was spewing out of the mouth. Yet during the hearing on Friday didn't both BC and George deny having read the autopsy report? Hmmmm.

The fact that the hair was attached was already released in the doc dump right before George's suicide attempt. Where's Des? They knew way back before the Memorial. IMO that's why they go on the National TV circuit because they don't know the facts and won't be challenged like the local Orlando media. It's all an attempt to claim LE is leaking things that aren't true to gain sympathy so people will donate to their foundation. They want to help families like theirs ya know. :wink: If they A's are talking they are lying. imo

[Chardonnay]

I think the prosecutors have a pretty tight case and they have been very good about not leaking information or showing their hand. Smart bunch IMO.

I so agree. And you don't see the prosecutors prancing around national TV shows or doing pressers after each day in court saying what goods they have on the OC. I can see the pros sitting in their office laughing their heads off at JB and BC and the A's.. You know the pros have mega evidence all tucked away. jmo

[TunaMelt]

ITA. If any of my kids were to live under my roof, no matter their age, they WILL obey the rules of MY house. Same would apply if I had to live in their house. I would have to obey THEIR rules. If my kids don't want to obey my rules while living with me, then they need to get their own place and begin living their own life on their own.

I couldn't agree more with you, and trich, and others.
Very well said.

In this house, if you put your feet under our dining room table on a regular basis, you mind the rules of the house. Period. No exception.

:mellow:

[AnnieBell]

In a previous post someone responded (to the question if Baez and the rest of the gang were using the stall, stall, stall card using the excuse Lyon needed to study up on the case) by asking others not to refer to this as a stall tactic. Well, I may be grasping here but didn't Baden just announce that it would probably be next June? Now I confess I'm no expert in the legal field but can't Baez be held responsible for the chaos b/c #1 he never bothered or cared to start working on the case with things such as getting depositions done and finding experts #2 after the prosecution put the DP back on the table, Baez continued to as "lead" attorney #3 prosecution finally had to take Baez before the judge to force him to seek a DP qualified attorney b/c he didn't have the credentials and #4 kicked a previous DP attorney off the case who was already familiar with the case #continued to delay in bringing the new attorney on board until he could find one that would agree to him remaining as the "lead" attorney? Sooooo..this tactic of whatever you want to call it worked. This excusable and acceptable b/c why????

[Topher]

I'm reminded of an episode of "Law & Order," where there was an acrimonious divorce, and the mother had her daughter kidnapped (not knowing that the person she chose to kidnap the child was a convicted pedophile). The child wound up murdered. In the final scene the mother is crying, saying that she didn't mean for any of this to happen, recounting all of the things that her ex-husband had done to alienate her daughter from her, and how much she loved her daughter. I've never forgotten the D.A.'s response "Yes, you loved your daughter. But, you hated your husband more." Casey did not want to have the child to begin with. Cindy forced her not have an abortion. After that, Casey used Caylee as a pawn in her dysfunctional relationship with Cindy. Casey can dress like a librarian in court, and the defense might trot out those videos of Casey and Caylee (as seen on NG) playing and laughing, as proof of Casey being a good mother and loving Caylee. But, no matter much Casey might say that she loved Caylee, "She hated Cindy more." Caylee became a means to an end for Casey to exploit Cindy and George for whatever she could get. When trying to determine the circumstances that led to Casey being involved with Caylee's death, be it Caylee as an impediment to the party girl lifestyle that Casey wanted to live, boyfriends that didn't want a girlfriend with a young child, etc., in the mix I'd put Caylee's death as the ultimate way for narcissistic, spoiled brat, liar, theif, sex hungry party girl, angry Casey to hurt Cindy in a way from which Cindy will never recover....

[enigma™]

In a previous post someone responded (to the question if Baez and the rest of the gang were using the stall, stall, stall card using the excuse Lyon needed to study up on the case) by asking others not to refer to this as a stall tactic. Well, I may be grasping here but didn't Baden just announce that it would probably be next June? Now I confess I'm no expert in the legal field but can't Baez be held responsible for the chaos b/c #1 he never bothered or cared to start working on the case with things such as getting depositions done and finding experts #2 after the prosecution put the DP back on the table, Baez continued to as "lead" attorney #3 prosecution finally had to take Baez before the judge to force him to seek a DP qualified attorney b/c he didn't have the credentials and #4 kicked a previous DP attorney off the case who was already familiar with the case #continued to delay in bringing the new attorney on board until he could find one that would agree to him remaining as the "lead" attorney? Sooooo..this tactic of whatever you want to call it worked. This excusable and acceptable b/c why????

All I know is Baez waived the right to a speedy trial, so however long it takes is moot at this point.

[apothecary]

Not excusing anything that the A's have done,but they still are humans with emotions and the pain and guilt in that house must be unbearable

[AnnieBell]

All I know is Baez waived the right to a speedy trial, so however long it takes is moot at this point.

Thanks for clarifying the waiving a speedy trial. (raising my hand here)so the defense could drag this out for as long as they want and the prosecution can't doing anything to stop it?

[101Spots]

Thanks for clarifying the waiving a speedy trial. (raising my hand here)so the defense could drag this out for as long as they want and the prosecution can't doing anything to stop it?

I'm sure if Bozo tap dances too long, the judge will pull the plug on the dance machine. There's "reasonable" and then there's "unreasonable."

[trich]

Not excusing anything that the A's have done,but they still are humans with emotions and the pain and guilt in that house must be unbearable

And rightly so!!!


Bolding mine!!!!


What goes around comes around.

Comes to mind.

[Rapunzel]

No but wouldn't you grab shoes if you were planning on being gone for a day, a week? I know I'd grab shoes even if I was going to be gone with them for a short time.. It's hot out sidewalks are hot and carrying a 2 yr after awhile they get heavy... I agree with conchgirl, I also think she was killed in the house..

I am tending to agree with you, but playing devil's advocate...lets say KC and Cindy have a fight...KC not thinking...just grabs Caylee and takes off...she would not be thinking about carrying her or hot sidewalks...and it was most likely a mute point anyway cause then she murdered her.

[sunstar]

Not excusing anything that the A's have done,but they still are humans with emotions and the pain and guilt in that house must be unbearable

I so agree with you. :sad:

[enigma™]

Thanks for clarifying the waiving a speedy trial. (raising my hand here)so the defense could drag this out for as long as they want and the prosecution can't doing anything to stop it?


I am not absolute on the law, but I believe the judge will have some say-so on how much time they get to prepare.

[sunstar]

IIRC, there was no matching roll of tape found in the A's house, but it does match the tape on the gas cans. IMO, that shows a possibility that there once was a matching roll of tape in the A's house. I think it's quite probable that someone (possibly Casey while out on bond) got rid of the roll of tape.

Or it's possible while taping Caylee's head the roll ran out of tape and she tossed it. Being that the particular tape with the logo hadn't been manufactured recently (according to some previous reports) and the tape matched that on the gas can, my thinking is that at least some (if not most) of the roll had already been used. MOO

[*MoonRider*]

Not excusing anything that the A's have done,but they still are humans with emotions and the pain and guilt in that house must be unbearable

IMO the majority of the pain is self inflicted.

[gaelicpeas]

Am I the only one here that thinks this whole thing was staged? A missing child to make money? To me, that is the only thing that makes sense of all the players' actions. JMO

[Buttoneyes]

IIRC, there was no matching roll of tape found in the A's house, but it does match the tape on the gas cans. IMO, that shows a possibility that there once was a matching roll of tape in the A's house. I think it's quite probable that someone (possibly Casey while out on bond) got rid of the roll of tape.

Could be somebody got rid of it; could also be she quit taping when the tape ran out and threw the cardboard inner circle the tape comes on in the garbage can, especially if the taping was done at home. That would have gone to the dump with the A's garbage weeks before anybody realized Caylee was "missing."

[*MoonRider*]

Am I the only one here that thinks this whole thing was staged? A missing child to make money? To me, that is the only thing that makes sense of all the players' actions. JMO
I don't think they did it for money but after Jose and the Milstead's entered the picture they became as corrupted as their daughter. jmo

[AnnieBell]

Apothecary, respectfully I just can't see G&C grieving in any manner for Caylee. Their only concern has been Casey and proclaiming her to be innocent. As a nurse myself there is no excusing any of Cindy's behavior and I do hold her accountable for her actions b/c she had the knowledge of what is normal vs. abnormal behavior, appropriate and not appropriate. G&C sold their souls long before we ever heard of them.

[Pruddennce]

I'm reminded of an episode of "Law & Order," where there was an acrimonious divorce, and the mother had her daughter kidnapped (not knowing that the person she chose to kidnap the child was a convicted pedophile). The child wound up murdered. In the final scene the mother is crying, saying that she didn't mean for any of this to happen, recounting all of the things that her ex-husband had done to alienate her daughter from her, and how much she loved her daughter. I've never forgotten the D.A.'s response "Yes, you loved your daughter. But, you hated your husband more." Casey did not want to have the child to begin with. Cindy forced her not have an abortion. After that, Casey used Caylee as a pawn in her dysfunctional relationship with Cindy. Casey can dress like a librarian in court, and the defense might trot out those videos of Casey and Caylee (as seen on NG) playing and laughing, as proof of Casey being a good mother and loving Caylee. But, no matter much Casey might say that she loved Caylee, "She hated Cindy more." Caylee became a means to an end for Casey to exploit Cindy and George for whatever she could get. When trying to determine the circumstances that led to Casey being involved with Caylee's death, be it Caylee as an impediment to the party girl lifestyle that Casey wanted to live, boyfriends that didn't want a girlfriend with a young child, etc., in the mix I'd put Caylee's death as the ultimate way for narcissistic, spoiled brat, liar, theif, sex hungry party girl, angry Casey to hurt Cindy in a way from which Cindy will never recover....

excellent post. But I disagree with one thing: Cindy has recovered or rather doesnt think she has anything to recover from:

her own words: which are disgusting, but alas, she is a psychopath:

C. ANTHONY: Um, look up every single day. You know, my faith has gotten stronger and stronger every day through these last nine months. And, you know, you listen to people that talk about tragedies, and some people lose their faith, because they can't imagine a God doing something that horrible. But it's -- you know, what God has given us is a way to look at something good out of a negative thing. He can't prevent bad things from happening.

http://wdbo.com/news/caseyanthony/larryking_transcript51309.html


IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence......*

[gaelicpeas]

I don't think they did it for money but after Jose and the Milstead's entered the picture they became as corrupted as their daughter. jmoI dunno.. when you take into account that first jailhouse call, where Casey says "You don't know my involvement?" or something like that.. and then the later jailhouse visit where Cindy says "We forgive you for anything you have said or done" and Casey says, "Dont' worry, I haven't said anything" (my paraphrasing if I missed the exact quotes).. that pretty well says to me that there was a major cover-up.. and not just from "day 31". JMO

[TunaMelt]

I'm reminded of an episode of "Law & Order," where there was an acrimonious divorce, and the mother had her daughter kidnapped (not knowing that the person she chose to kidnap the child was a convicted pedophile). The child wound up murdered. In the final scene the mother is crying, saying that she didn't mean for any of this to happen, recounting all of the things that her ex-husband had done to alienate her daughter from her, and how much she loved her daughter. I've never forgotten the D.A.'s response "Yes, you loved your daughter. But, you hated your husband more." Casey did not want to have the child to begin with. Cindy forced her not have an abortion. After that, Casey used Caylee as a pawn in her dysfunctional relationship with Cindy. Casey can dress like a librarian in court, and the defense might trot out those videos of Casey and Caylee (as seen on NG) playing and laughing, as proof of Casey being a good mother and loving Caylee. But, no matter much Casey might say that she loved Caylee, "She hated Cindy more." Caylee became a means to an end for Casey to exploit Cindy and George for whatever she could get. When trying to determine the circumstances that led to Casey being involved with Caylee's death, be it Caylee as an impediment to the party girl lifestyle that Casey wanted to live, boyfriends that didn't want a girlfriend with a young child, etc., in the mix I'd put Caylee's death as the ultimate way for narcissistic, spoiled brat, liar, theif, sex hungry party girl, angry Casey to hurt Cindy in a way from which Cindy will never recover....

This is one excellent post!
:thumbsup:

[Buttoneyes]

excellent post. But I disagree with one thing: Cindy has recovered or rather doesnt think she has anything to recover from:

her own words: which are disgusting, but alas, she is a psychopath:

C. ANTHONY: Um, look up every single day. You know, my faith has gotten stronger and stronger every day through these last nine months. And, you know, you listen to people that talk about tragedies, and some people lose their faith, because they can't imagine a God doing something that horrible. But it's -- you know, what God has given us is a way to look at something good out of a negative thing. He can't prevent bad things from happening.

http://wdbo.com/news/caseyanthony/larryking_transcript51309.html


IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence......*

Do you think Cindy means that she's been provided an early cushy retirement with no financial worries because "somebody" (like her own child) murdered her grandchild? Sure sounds like that's what she's saying to me.

[TunaMelt]

Cindy had to have known that Casey had no job. She (Cindy) paid everything. I personally think she liked it that way. If she hadn't she would have insisted that Casey get a job, put Caylee in daycare and/or go to college. I don't understand the concept that a mother "Owes" an adult daughter full maintenance and around the clock babysitting, while the lazy daughter sits on her butt during the day and rolls in the hay with the boy du jour all night.

You got that right! :thumbup: All of it!

[gaelicpeas]

ACKKKKKKKKKKK. :scared: Your a internet bug to see what the public is thinking/feeling?huh? Not sure what you are implying...

[TunaMelt]

If you bare posting on "inside info" your kids are breaking the rules, and the killer could get off. Please don't jeopardize that. Or may be it's not true.:mad:

:confused:

I don't get what you're saying.

[spiritwolf46]

huh? Not sure what you are implying...

Glad that I am not the only one.

Also, hey Snoop! Thanks for the updates from what you have known! Appreciated!

[anon-o-miss]

Add in how quick Casey was to fly into a tantrum when her parents visited on August 14 after only a few minutes into the visit. - http://www.wftv.com/video/18490326/index.html

images from the video: http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/18490360/detail.html

jmo

:seeya: Hi everyone!!!
I totally agree. This video, in my opinion gives the most insight into Casey. She wipes her eye to hide a smile when Cindy mentions how sick and upset everyone is ("Lee's been sick"). Then when Cindy says they're not doing good because someone told them today that Caylee was dead, you can actually see a reaction on Casey's face. When Cindy goes on to say that they think Caylee drowned her face relaxes a little then she says "surprise, surprise". Casey was nervous for a second that maybe someone knew something but then relaxed at the drowning theory, she knew Caylee hadn't drowned so she went back to her, they have nothing on me, mindset.

[sunstar]

Could be somebody got rid of it; could also be she quit taping when the tape ran out and threw the cardboard inner circle the tape comes on in the garbage can, especially if the taping was done at home. That would have gone to the dump with the A's garbage weeks before anybody realized Caylee was "missing."

I also think she ran out of tape. The search warrants for the house listed it as a crime scene so it seems LE believes the murder occurred at the house. I just wish I knew when they think it happened ~ during the night of the 15th/16th or after George left for work on the 16th. MOO

[*MoonRider*]

I was working on this screen shot when lightning stuck and my power went out. Power is back and here it is http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/hammer1.jpg :chicken:

[sunstar]

This is one excellent post!
:thumbsup:

I second that! :smile:

[spiritwolf46]

unreasonable was the xtra 6 yrs. PS played the I can buy freedom game for awhile" If Casey was even close to having a alibi, instead of guilty evidence against her, if her asstorney's would look at what it will cost emotionally, financially, physically, to all involved, and to Caylee, the most, she deserves justice, why can't they give that too her??????? Why is Casey more important?

What? Why am I not understanding this?

[Jester]

Why? Cindy didn't get pregnant. Casey did. Why should Cindy be held responsible for Casey's daughter?

I think the A's DID watch Caylee quite a bit. Apparently Casey DID need watching as she claimed a job she didn't have, stole money, slept with 1/2 the town etc. etc.
She'd already had one oops baby and doubt she was responsible using birth control. She already claimed one miscarriage. She was a hot mess and the A's knew it.

Cindy didn't have to look after Cayley while she was asleep during the evening, but it would have been a lot more civil if she had told Casey that she was home anyway, and would be willing to watch Cayley one night a week so Casey could go out (without constantly phoning her). Jesse and TonE (and others, I think) reported that every evening Casey was out, Cindy phoned and told her to get home. Maybe Casey concocted evening work so she could just have one night off now and then.

Phone calls from Cindy each time Casey was out would not prevent Casey from getting pregnant again. I think it was controlling behavior. Cindy was afraid of letting Casey grow up, afraid of empty nest syndrome, and afraid of having nothing in her life except George. I don't believe Casey was pregnant a second time, I think that was her attempt to interfere with another relationship.

[Rapunzel]

No it wont.. Look at Lacy Peterson no COD and ole scotty the goldenboy is on death row... IMO they have much more on casey then they did scotty boy...


This is true, but Casey is a women...sorry to say but I think that makes a difference.

[sunstar]

Am I the only one here that thinks this whole thing was staged? A missing child to make money? To me, that is the only thing that makes sense of all the players' actions. JMO
I think they might have suspected something happened to Caylee before the car was retrieved from the tow yard, but I do believe when George smelled it, he knew. I believe Cindy also knew when she told the 911 operator the car smelled like a dead body had been in it. So the cover up began. MOO

[TunaMelt]

Cindy didn't have to look after Cayley while she was asleep during the evening, but it would have been a lot more civil if she had told Casey that she was home anyway, and would be willing to watch Cayley one night a week so Casey could go out (without constantly phoning her). Jesse and TonE (and others, I think) reported that every evening Casey was out, Cindy phoned and told her to get home. Maybe Casey concocted evening work so she could just have one night off now and then.

Phone calls from Cindy each time Casey was out would not prevent Casey from getting pregnant again. I think it was controlling behavior. Cindy was afraid of letting Casey grow up, afraid of empty nest syndrome, and afraid of having nothing in her life except George. I don't believe Casey was pregnant a second time, I think that was her attempt to interfere with another relationship.

Jester. For cripes sake, casey had a night off more than now and then!

She was out a lot.

A whole lot.

With her toddler packed away in the trunk of her car.

GMAB.

Casey didn't deserve time off because she didn't put in any time ON.

:blink:

gee.

[Jester]

My bold. Here's where you went off the rails, Jester. :laugh:

True, indeed Cindy is not a normal mother, and neither is Casey. Maybe it's a chicken and egg thing, but if Cindy and George had treated Casey like an adult, possibly she would have risen to the occasion.

[Rapunzel]

another lie ??????? If Cindy and Caylee were in the pool after getting home from Great Grandpa's. And then Cindy said Casey came home and was going to get in the pool too, but Cindy told her it was late and getting cold. Wouldn't you dress Caylee in pj's at that point....not dirty clothes she wore all day?

Yes...I don' t understand this part...I am torn between KC murdering her on the afternoon of the 16th before the flurry of phone calls and the night of the 15th...leaving in a rush.

[sunstar]

This is true, but Casey is a women...sorry to say but I think that makes a difference.

I'd be surprised if she gets the DP. MOO

[enigma™]

I'd be surprised if she gets the DP. MOO

I will not be surprised. Florida juries seem to respect the law and abide by the instruction. Either way, life without possibility of parole or years on death row, she has no future.

[sunstar]

I dunno.. when you take into account that first jailhouse call, where Casey says "You don't know my involvement?" or something like that.. and then the later jailhouse visit where Cindy says "We forgive you for anything you have said or done" and Casey says, "Dont' worry, I haven't said anything" (my paraphrasing if I missed the exact quotes).. that pretty well says to me that there was a major cover-up.. and not just from "day 31". JMO

I always thought Casey's question "you don't know my involvement?" meant "how dare you suggest I was involved in whatever happened to Caylee". :shrug: MOO

[Buttoneyes]

I'd be surprised if she gets the DP. MOO

I agree. I think she will get LWOP unless she would take the stand to testify. I can't imagine that even Baez is that big a moron and surely Lyons would quit before she would let that happen, but if she were to testify - Lookout Loretta! - because any jury with two brain cells to rub together would see through Casey just as we do, and she'd be headed straight for death row IMO.

[sunstar]

I will not be surprised. Florida juries seem to respect the law and abide by the instruction. Either way, life without possibility of parole or years on death row, she has no future.

I was just thinking of her age, no prior record, and the fact that Caylee was her own child. The only other woman on death row is there for a double homicide. And the most recently executed woman, Aileen Wuornos was a serial killer. But we shall see! MOO

[enigma™]

I was just thinking of her age, no prior record, and the fact that Caylee was her own child. The only other woman on death row is there for a double homicide. And the most recently executed woman, Aileen Wuornos was a serial killer. But we shall see! MOO

But, this crime is so heinous. A mother killing her only child in the manner she did. She deserves whatever punishment is given. I do believe death is too good for her. I am not sure her dreams haunt her, but if she has a lifetime behind bars to rue the day she murdered her daughter, that is fine by me.

[*MoonRider*]

I'd be surprised if she gets the DP. MOO

If I were on the jury I would give her the DP. When she was bailed out of jail the first time Tropical Storm Faye was rolling in town and she was being sheltered from the rain by Jose while Caylee was rotting in the woods. http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/close.jpg
When she was dancing at Fusion, Caylee was rotting in her trunk or the woods.
When she got her tattoo Caylee was rotting in her trunk or the woods.
When she was out on bail going to Jose's every day with her media binder, Caylee was rotting in the woods. http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/Binder.jpg
When she was in jail and said she had no one to comfort her Caylee was in the woods. http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/MySpaceGens_4422429213.gif

No sympathy from me. moo

[trich]

This is true, but Casey is a women...sorry to say but I think that makes a difference.

IMO the only way it makes a difference is that Casey was the one person who was suppose to love and care for Caylee...she was her mother....mothers are suppose to cherish their children not kill them.
Not that husbands of pregnant women should not do the same.
But IMO Caylees mother will be held just as responsible as Conners father was.

[trich]

If I were on the jury I would give her the DP. When she was bailed out of jail the first time Tropical Storm Faye was rolling in town and she was being sheltered from the rain by Jose while Caylee was rotting in the woods. http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/close.jpg
When she was dancing at Fusion, Caylee was rotting in her trunk or the woods.
When she got her tattoo Caylee was rotting in her trunk or the woods.
When she was out on bail going to Jose's every day with her media binder, Caylee was rotting in the woods. http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/Binder.jpg
When she was in jail and said she had no one to comfort her Caylee was in the woods. http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/MySpaceGens_4422429213.gif

No sympathy from me. moo


You said it!!!!

[sunstar]

Yes...I don' t understand this part...I am torn between KC murdering her on the afternoon of the 16th before the flurry of phone calls and the night of the 15th...leaving in a rush.

So am I. The clothing found with her remains don't match what George described Caylee wearing the afternoon of 6/16, but I could see putting her to bed the night before in a shirt and shorts since it was summer. Wherever Casey was most of the night and early morning, she was texting/calling Tony and if she wasn't at home, she was pinging off the same tower. The rush of phone calls the afternoon of the 16th are still a mystery to me. I can't see her making them right after killing Caylee, especially if it was done at the house. :confused: MOO

[Buttoneyes]

IMO the only way it makes a difference is that Casey was the one person who was suppose to love and care for Caylee...she was her mother....mothers are suppose to cherish their children not kill them.
Not that husbands of pregnant women should not do the same.
But IMO Caylees mother will be held just as responsible as Conners father was.

We can hope that she will be.:thumbup:

[anon-o-miss]

This is true, but Casey is a women...sorry to say but I think that makes a difference.
True, but the fact that she is female can cut both ways. People may have a hard time believing she is capable of the atrocity because she is female. However, if they believe she did commit the crime, then I think they will be harsher on her because it is so unusual for a female to commit such a horrible act on her own child, especially in such a cavalier manner. At least Scott Peterson PRETENDED to care for a while.... Casey can't even muster that. By the time Cindy reported Caylee missing Casey was sooo over the DRAMA:rolleyes:.

[summer]

I agree with Jester here. If you're going to give something then give it with grace. It's my sense that each and every time Cindy babysat it came with a heavy price. They knew Casey was a wild child and had to be in perpetual motion, get out of the house, run free once in a while.

Who knows what would've happened if she got a couple nights out with no pressure, no emotional blackmail? Maybe Casey would've gotten worse, but maybe better.

I just think those parents sucked the big one and even while doing "favors" were cruel.

They most likely encouraged her to have the baby and most likely told her things would be OK, that they would help. Who the heck knows?

Oh well. Y'all can yell at me now. hee hee.

[sunstar]

But, this crime is so heinous. A mother killing her only child in the manner she did. She deserves whatever punishment is given. I do believe death is too good for her. I am not sure her dreams haunt her, but if she has a lifetime behind bars to rue the day she murdered her daughter, that is fine by me.

I think a couple of things that might get her the DP would be her continual lies and proclamation of innocence and total lack of emotion, any sign of love for Caylee, or remorse ~ the same feelings one would have throwing away garbage. :mad: MOO

[anon-o-miss]

Jester. For cripes sake, casey had a night off more than now and then!

She was out a lot.

A whole lot.

With her toddler packed away in the trunk of her car.

GMAB.

Casey didn't deserve time off because she didn't put in any time ON.

:blink:

gee.
I couldn't agree more. Casey was nothing more than a part time babysitter.

[Imperfect4]

True, indeed Cindy is not a normal mother, and neither is Casey. Maybe it's a chicken and egg thing, but if Cindy and George had treated Casey like an adult, possibly she would have risen to the occasion.

Well, imo, things were a hot mess in that home long before Casey reached legal age. Heck, neither George nor Cindy behave like grown ups, so it was impossible for them to role model anything beyond their own adolescent, deceitful, self-absorbed behavior. The situation at Casa Anthony was too far gone by the time Caylee arrived, imo. She was the fuse. The fire ignited. It was just a matter of time, imo.

My point is, I think it's off the mark to apply the same concepts that work in normal, functioning families to the Anthonys.

[Imperfect4]

I agree with Jester here. If you're going to give something then give it with grace. It's my sense that each and every time Cindy babysat it came with a heavy price. They knew Casey was a wild child and had to be in perpetual motion, get out of the house, run free once in a while.

Who knows what would've happened if she got a couple nights out with no pressure, no emotional blackmail? Maybe Casey would've gotten worse, but maybe better.

I just think those parents sucked the big one and even while doing "favors" were cruel.

They most likely encouraged her to have the baby and most likely told her things would be OK, that they would help. Who the heck knows?

Oh well. Y'all can yell at me now. hee hee.

No yelling from me, my sistah. :wub:

[summer]

And also I think the Grunds babysat pretty much around the clock the first year of Caylee's life. Just because George said they had the baby 90% of the time or whatever don't make it so. I don't think Cindy wanted to take care of Caylee any more than Casey did.

[summer]

No yelling from me, my sistah. :wub:

Oh thank you evil twin! :seeya:

[*MoonRider*]

True, but the fact that she is female can cut both ways. People may have a hard time believing she is capable of the atrocity because she is female. However, if they believe she did commit the crime, then I think they will be harsher on her because it is so unusual for a female to commit such a horrible act on her own child, especially in such a cavalier manner. At least Scott Peterson PRETENDED to care for a while.... Casey can't even muster that. By the time Cindy reported Caylee missing Casey was sooo over the DRAMA:rolleyes:.
Although it seems unnatural for a woman to kill her own children it is not uncommon. More than 200 women kill their children in the US every year, according to a recent study by the American Anthropological Association, http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/14935/why_some_mothers_kill_their_children.html?cat=17

[Snoopy50]

:rolleyes: I doubt your son would like this info out, if true.:blushing: ,IMO
It was PUBLICLY RELEASED yesterday, so while I appreciate your opinion, it doesn't apply to this.

[Buttoneyes]

I think a couple of things that might get her the DP would be her continual lies and proclamation of innocence and total lack of emotion, any sign of love for Caylee, or remorse ~ the same feelings one would have throwing away garbage. :mad: MOO

I'm afraid the jury will never see her lack of emotion. Casey will surely receive some training prior to her trial when and where to cry, how to act, etc., and I believe she is a fine mime as most psychopaths are, and all she needs is to be cued by someone when to appear to be whatever. She makes a fine appearance; doesn't at all look like someone who would murder anybody let alone her own child IMO. If the jury never hears her voice and never sees her like we've seen her, that may be all she needs to keep her from the needle.

[summer]

AND ONE MORE THING: Look at the list of real life babysitters in the 2 1/2 year old's life. You had the Grunds. You had, I think her name was Holly, who babysat every day for what, six months, until she found out Casey lied about having a job. And then there was some neighbor woman too. And probably others who legitimately babysat.

How much frickin' time did the grandparents babysit anyway? OK, George took her out to see the stars, very nice. Cindy dragged her to the mall once in a while.

But whiners. Big drama. They suck!