Friday, June 19th, part 2

[msgatorslayer]

Please continue here.

I recently got home and had time to watch the video from today along with reading the autopsy report. I'm glad that the Judge released it.

Conway tried to weave the criminal trial in and I liked how the Judge smacked him down, lmao.

[True2Blues]

Please continue here.

I recently got home and had time to watch the video from today along with reading the autopsy report. I'm glad that the Judge released it.

Conway tried to weave the criminal trial in and I liked how the Judge smacked him down, lmao.

I wish he'd used the gavel. LOL Who does Conway think he's representing?

[msgatorslayer]

George and his tears. Clutching his Caylee pic. {Did Cindy have a bear? I didn't notice} Talking about his privacy, bla, bla, bla. Only to have the State ask him how many cameos he's had recently, lmao. Poor George. Smacked down on that one.

[msgatorslayer]

Msgator we both made new threads at the same time. Could you contact CW to merge the two?

TIA

Sure thing, Witchy.

[shelkobe]

Ms.Gator, maybe you can put a link to this thread at the end of the other thread. If you did already, ignore me, lol.

[Lavinia]

YooHoo! :seeya: I hope we all get over here.

[Eli]

Hi Can someone help me out….just got in..and I heard that there were no drugs found in Caylees autopsy, however having followed this case intensly from the beginning , I seem to remember more than one forensic specialists stated on NG’s show and others that if cholorform or other drugs were used, it would be likely that there wouldn’t be any trace of them because of the time that had passed and the decompensation of the body. I got a little mad because I keep hearing the news reporters on tv saying Caylee didn’t die from chloroform. I saw Dr. Baden speaking and saying yes she probably didn’t die from drugs. Hey Dr. Baden, She could have died from chloroform and If what I am saying is true then Dr. Baden knows this and he never said anything on the news. The reporters clearly were novices and did not have some good questions for him. Maybe it cant be proved that it happened but this finding does not mean chloroform wasn’t used. I don’t think news media should use Dr. Baden when it involves this case, as his wife is an attorney on this case. This is a conflict of interest…
does anyone remember??

Jmo
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[msgatorslayer]

I think the Anthony's and Conway attempted to have the autopsy sealed because they simply needed something to do and wanted some drama.

Cindy sure can look like a victim when she wants to. Head down, and shaking. Why didn't she jump up and scold the Judge, like we've seen her do to Morgan and company?

[desmom]

Casey Anthony case: Zenaida Gonzalez's attorneys fire back
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-defamation-suit-061909,0,5426763.story

:scared:

[*MoonRider*]

I think the Anthony's and Conway attempted to have the autopsy sealed because they simply needed something to do and wanted some drama.

Cindy sure can look like a victim when she wants to. Head down, and shaking. Why didn't she jump up and scold the Judge, like we've seen her do to Morgan and company?
IMO, it's all about $$$$ for their foundation. Their media blitz would not have yielded as many donations if the report were released last Friday as scheduled. Brad even had to get the foundation "plug" in open court. jmo

[Lavinia]

Casey Anthony case: Zenaida Gonzalez's attorneys fire back
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-defamation-suit-061909,0,5426763.story

:scared:

I thought he already gave his depo? :confused: (Contempt, huh? :chicken:)

[Pretty Leaf]

In the hearing this am when Bozo was making his convoluted requests you can see Brad slowly rolling, rolling in his chair back away from him. Like don't lump me in with this jerk.

[Eagleeye]

Hi Can someone help me out….just got in..and I heard that there were no drugs found in Caylees autopsy, however having followed this case intensly from the beginning , I seem to remember more than one forensic specialists stated on NG’s show and others that if cholorform or other drugs were used, it would be likely that there wouldn’t be any trace of them because of the time that had passed and the decompensation of the body. I got a little mad because I keep hearing the news reporters on tv saying Caylee didn’t die from chloroform. I saw Dr. Baden speaking and saying yes she probably didn’t die from drugs. Hey Dr. Baden, She could have died from chloroform and If what I am saying is true then Dr. Baden knows this and he never said anything on the news. The reporters clearly were novices and did not have some good questions for him. Maybe it cant be proved that it happened but this finding does not mean chloroform wasn’t used. I don’t think news media should use Dr. Baden when it involves this case, as his wife is an attorney on this case. This is a conflict of interest…
does anyone remember??

Jmo
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Eli

They didn't find it to be a conflict of interest when they were both on the Phil Spector I case. Probably won't matter in this one either.

[True2Blues]

I think the Anthony's and Conway attempted to have the autopsy sealed because they simply needed something to do and wanted some drama.

Cindy sure can look like a victim when she wants to. Head down, and shaking. Why didn't she jump up and scold the Judge, like we've seen her do to Morgan and company?

Sh looked furious to me. I think she had her head down like that so the judge couldn't see the clenched jaw and angry, hateful, glare.

I did see her hand start to shake when he denied their motion, but I put that down to rage, because she didn't get her way.

[msgatorslayer]

Casey Anthony case: Zenaida Gonzalez's attorneys fire back
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-defamation-suit-061909,0,5426763.story

:scared:

"The amount of stonewalling that has taken place in the discovery phase of this lawsuit by both the defendant and some of the witnesses is extraordinary," the motion states

Hold him in contempt!!!!:thumbsup: Everyone associated with this family thinks they're above the law.

[msgatorslayer]

Sh looked furious to me. I think she had her head down like that so the judge couldn't see the clenched jaw and angry, hateful, glare.

I did see her hand start to shake when he denied their motion, but I put that down to rage, because she didn't get her way.

You're probably spot on!! But people who don't follow the case see it and think she's the poor, grieving Grama.:wink:

[Sandy001]

I wish he'd used the gavel. LOL Who does Conway think he's representing?
I am trhinking that the duct tape in the autopsy is making one BIG FAT LIAR out of Conway who stated on LKL that there was no duct tape around the mouth

It makes me want to ask him how he likes being an Anthony ho

[True2Blues]

They didn't find it to be a conflict of interest when they were both on the Phil Spector I case. Probably won't matter in this one either.

Doctor Baden said he didn't know what a conflict of interest was.

It was stated during the Spector case that it wasn't technically conflict of interest, because Dr. Baden was hired first and LKB later. In this case, since she is already an attorney for Casey, it would be a true conflict of interest for LKB the attorney, to pay for the testimony of her husband.

Personally, I don't believe anything that comes out of his mouth either way.

[*MoonRider*]

Brad's presser
http://www.wftv.com/video/19802786/index.html

[True2Blues]

I am trhinking that the duct tape in the autopsy is making one BIG FAT LIAR out of Conway who stated on LKL that there was no duct tape around the mouth

It makes me want to ask him how he likes being an Anthony ho

He fits right in with that bunch.

[Eli]

They didn't find it to be a conflict of interest when they were both on the Phil Spector I case. Probably won't matter in this one either.

But Baden is out there as a forensic expert on the talk shows and I was thinking he could taint the jury pool....in ps case, he was their specialist

jmo

[Eagleeye]

Doctor Baden said he didn't know what a conflict of interest was.

It was stated during the Spector case that it wasn't technically conflict of interest, because Dr. Baden was hired first and LKB later. In this case, since she is already an attorney for Casey, it would be a true conflict of interest for LKB the attorney, to pay for the testimony of her husband.

Personally, I don't believe anything that comes out of his mouth either way.

No argument here True2. :beer:

[101Spots]

I thought he already gave his depo? :confused: (Contempt, huh? :chicken:)

Nope. He skipped his appointment. Without notice. No wonder Morgan's peed off.

[True2Blues]

Brad's presser
http://www.wftv.com/video/19802786/index.html

He's a real piece of work. He doesn't even change the tone of his voice when he turns on the fake sincerity. He makes my skin crawl.

[101Spots]

He's a real piece of work. He doesn't even change the tone of his voice when he turns on the fake sincerity. He makes my skin crawl.

I hope nobody slipped on that slime trail he left behind.

[Lavinia]

Nope. He skipped his appointment. Without notice. No wonder Morgan's peed off.

Whooeee! I bet he is! He better be minding his P's and Q's (Casey). :eek:

[Daffodil]

I think the Anthony's and Conway attempted to have the autopsy sealed because they simply needed something to do and wanted some drama.

Cindy sure can look like a victim when she wants to. Head down, and shaking. Why didn't she jump up and scold the Judge, like we've seen her do to Morgan and company?



I absolutely agree with you. I was thinking that as I watched the video and then read the reports. She is an actress indeed.

I think they are all addicted to the camera.

[shelkobe]

from this link...........

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-bk-caylee-casey-anthony-autopsy-061909,0,5124706.story


Some findings from the reports:

Crime scene technicians spent more than a week scouring the wooded area at the end of Suburban Drive to locate the remains.

The autopsy report shows they collected "an almost complete skeleton of a young child with only multiple small bones missing. The missing bones include small bones from the wrists and hands, as well as fingers and ankle, hyoid and patella," the report said.

The report shows several overlapping pieces of duct tape on Caylee's skull.

"Although there is no trauma evident on the skeleton, there is duct tape over the lower facial region still attached to head hair," the report said. "This duct tape was clearly placed prior to decomposition keeping the mandible in place."
The hyoid bone is the one that would determine strangulation, no? If it were found and intact that would at least eliminate one method of murder.

[TunaMelt]

Sh looked furious to me. I think she had her head down like that so the judge couldn't see the clenched jaw and angry, hateful, glare.

I did see her hand start to shake when he denied their motion, but I put that down to rage, because she didn't get her way.

Exactly True.

When her hands shake, it's the result of inner fury.

And that's scary. That someone could get that mad, sitting there, holding it in. You know eventually she's gonna blow.:scared:

The house must have been a very frightening place to be, when someone can go off like that, hands shaking from rage, face contorted with hate.

[Daffodil]

Exactly True.

When her hands shake, it's the result of inner fury.

And that's scary. That someone could get that mad, sitting there, holding it in. You know eventually she's gonna blow.:scared:

The house must have been a very frightening place to be, when someone can go off like that, hands shaking from rage, face contorted with hate.



I wish I was a body language expert, read lips, be a lawyer and so many other things. But........did anybody notice how George physically turned away from Cindy in the courtroom? She put her hand on his arm and he just turned his body away from hers.

[happygert]

c and g did NOTHING to PROTECT CAYLEE.. NOTHING.. they knew their daughter was and unfit mother.. c made casey keep Caylee when casey made it clear she did not want Caylee.. What made c think just because she made casey keep her that casey was going to LOVE her?
WHY didn't c take custody of Caylee.. Why didnt c and g protect Caylee from the monster they created.. c & g cleaned mess after mess of casey's up.. What consequences did casey ever have for her actions? NONE.. Yes I'd say they knew very well what their daughter was capable of.. Now they go into court and ask that the autopsy be sealed for who are they asking that for? Caylee no.. it's, because of the one they are trying to still protect their own murdering ,lying, stealing , bed hopping daughter.. Has nothing to do with protecting Caylee.. they never did PROTECT her ever!
Caylee is dead she dont need protecting.. It's a little too late g and c..

They will never stop tho trying to protect the one who murdered Caylee

remember bc saying to judge if this come out it could jeopardize casey getting a fair trial..... OK bc did you forget this was suppose to be about Caylee..NOPE this little charade today was never about Caylee it was all about casey...
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[Imperfect4]

Exactly True.

When her hands shake, it's the result of inner fury.

And that's scary. That someone could get that mad, sitting there, holding it in. You know eventually she's gonna blow.:scared:

The house must have been a very frightening place to be, when someone can go off like that, hands shaking from rage, face contorted with hate.

I've said this before ...

Having "control issues" is not always the somewhat benign, almost cute character trait it's made out to be.

Cindy's controlling personality is a very disturbing thing to watch, much less live with.

[Sandy001]

Baez, as usually made me nod off. I just noticed today that he has no neck!!! He has had that autopsy report since before the Discovery was released last Friday - NOW he needs 48 more hours....I don't think so. Baez is a fool because he thinks people are stupid and he is the only smart guy on the block. Someone really needs to tell him. Nah - I need my little naps...lol

[Imperfect4]

I wish I was a body language expert, read lips, be a lawyer and so many other things. But........did anybody notice how George physically turned away from Cindy in the courtroom? She put her hand on his arm and he just turned his body away from hers.

Yes, many of us noticed.

The're battling now just as they've battled for years, imo.

As I tried to point out on this morning's thread, ad nauseam, these are the same people they've always been, just in a higher stakes game.

[Daffodil]

c and g did NOTHING to PROTECT CAYLEE.. NOTHING.. they knew their daughter was and unfit mother.. c made casey keep Caylee when casey made it clear she did not want Caylee.. What made c think just because she made casey keep her that casey was going to LOVE her?
WHY didn't c take custody of Caylee.. Why didnt c and g protect Caylee from the monster they created.. c & g cleaned mess after mess of casey's up.. What consequences did casey ever have for her actions? NONE.. Yes I'd say they knew very well what their daughter was capable of.. Now they go into court and ask that the autopsy be sealed for who are they asking that for? Caylee no.. it's, because of the one they are trying to still protect their own murdering ,lying, stealing , bed hopping daughter.. Has nothing to do with protecting Caylee.. they never did PROTECT her ever!
Caylee is dead she dont need protecting.. It's a little too late g and c..

They will never stop tho trying to protect the one who murdered Caylee

remember bc saying to judge if this come out it could jeopardize casey getting a fair trial..... OK bc did you forget this was suppose to be about Caylee..NOPE this little charade today was never about Caylee it was all about casey...
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Happygert,

You sound like fuminggert!!! I agree with you. I didn't think of that till you just posted it.

[Sandy001]

I've said this before ...

Having "control issues" is not always the somewhat benign, almost cute character trait it's made out to be.

Cindy's controlling personality is a very disturbing thing to watch, much less live with.
Having lived with a step-mother who was also controlling (she mandated WHO her 36 year old son could work for), I know the price to be paid. You either give them contol or they will make your life miserable.

[Lavinia]

The hyoid bone is the one that would determine strangulation, no? If it were found and intact that would at least eliminate one method of murder.

Not always shelkobe. An intact hyoid doesn't necessarily R/O strangulation, especially in the very pliable bones of a child. A hyoid isn't always broken during strangulation. I wish we could know what happened to Caylee, but I bet we never know for sure. :crying:

[happygert]

Im also wondering if c knew exactly how long it would take Caylee to comlpetely decompose? Is that why they waited the 30 days .. Remember c telling casey I already gave you 30 days.. By the time they reported Caylee "missing" she was already decompsed.. No way by then to tell what the cause of death was...Very sad..I also truly believe c & g knew exactly where casey threw Caylee away at..

[Daffodil]

Yes, many of us noticed.

The're battling now just as they've battled for years, imo.

As I tried to point out on this morning's thread, ad nauseam, these are the same people they've always been, just in a higher stakes game.



Yes, I agree that they are who they have always been. Except with a little more venom. This incident did not make them into who they are today. It is just so crazy that these people are exposing themselves to us every chance they get but do not realize a thing about "doing the right thing" or know how wrong their actions are.

Now I have to go make a salad. We have company too. I wish I could just stay here for the rest of the evening. I'll come back later to see if I can gather any more info.

[Daffodil]

Im also wondering if c knew exactly how long it would take Caylee to comlpetely decompose? Is that why they waited the 30 days .. Remember c telling casey I already gave you 30 days.. By the time they reported Caylee "missing" she was already decompsed.. No way by then to tell what the cause of death was...Very sad..I also truly believe c & g knew exactly where casey threw Caylee away at..

Gert,

I so agree with what you just posted. They chose 30 days for a reason, just what reason(s) we don't know for sure......yet.

[msgatorslayer]

c and g did NOTHING to PROTECT CAYLEE.. NOTHING.. they knew their daughter was and unfit mother.. c made casey keep Caylee when casey made it clear she did not want Caylee.. What made c think just because she made casey keep her that casey was going to LOVE her?
WHY didn't c take custody of Caylee.. Why didnt c and g protect Caylee from the monster they created.. c & g cleaned mess after mess of casey's up.. What consequences did casey ever have for her actions? NONE.. Yes I'd say they knew very well what their daughter was capable of.. Now they go into court and ask that the autopsy be sealed for who are they asking that for? Caylee no.. it's, because of the one they are trying to still protect their own murdering ,lying, stealing , bed hopping daughter.. Has nothing to do with protecting Caylee.. they never did PROTECT her ever!
Caylee is dead she dont need protecting.. It's a little too late g and c..

They will never stop tho trying to protect the one who murdered Caylee

remember bc saying to judge if this come out it could jeopardize casey getting a fair trial..... OK bc did you forget this was suppose to be about Caylee..NOPE this little charade today was never about Caylee it was all about casey...
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:thumbsup: Yup, they used the description of Caylee's remains as a reason to help their pork rind princess.

I do wonder what kind of stradegy they were using though. How they thought this would work. Because Baez, IMO, actually had a better chance of using pre-trial publicity as a reason to withhold the autopsy than the Anthony's did because of 'grief' and net gossip.

But for some reason, I can't put my finger on it, the Anthony's were used. Hmmmmm!

[MiamiNice1]

Coming into this LATE in the game today....sorry if this is a repeat, but I am sickened!

http://www.wesh.com/cnn-news/19801945/detail.html

"The report noted that there were no maggots in the box of pizza that was inside the car."

"The duct tape found on the head of the skeleton was clearly placed prior to decomposition, according to the autopsy report."

"...when you bring in the chemical analysis of the trunk into play, when you actually read the analysis from the trunk, it says there's higher levels of a certain compound that is present when a person is dying from suffocation -- which is a lack of oxygen."

"For a few minutes, she knew she was dying. She knew she was in pain. She suffered tremendously," defense attorney Richard Hornsby said."

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Hi Can someone help me out….just got in..and I heard that there were no drugs found in Caylees autopsy, however having followed this case intensly from the beginning , I seem to remember more than one forensic specialists stated on NG’s show and others that if cholorform or other drugs were used, it would be likely that there wouldn’t be any trace of them because of the time that had passed and the decompensation of the body. I got a little mad because I keep hearing the news reporters on tv saying Caylee didn’t die from chloroform. I saw Dr. Baden speaking and saying yes she probably didn’t die from drugs. Hey Dr. Baden, She could have died from chloroform and If what I am saying is true then Dr. Baden knows this and he never said anything on the news. The reporters clearly were novices and did not have some good questions for him. Maybe it cant be proved that it happened but this finding does not mean chloroform wasn’t used. I don’t think news media should use Dr. Baden when it involves this case, as his wife is an attorney on this case. This is a conflict of interest…
does anyone remember??

Jmo
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Eli

Hey Eli..First of all, Dr. Baden to me is a talking head..and has long lost his value as a forensic finder of truth..(after I saw his testimony in PS1)
He certainly can yammer on and on about speculative stuff..but thats al he does..and then spins things to suit his agenda when it suits him..

Speaking to the choroform..yes we all speculated in the sedating of Caylee with Chloroform..but it seems that was used to clean and alter the evidence left behind by Caylee's decomposition..which is actually one of it's uses....and would explain the internet searches for "Cleaners" leading to choroform..which no doubt was used to hide smells, stains that were in the trunk..and since we dont know when they were applied to the trunck..maybe..just maybe Cindy did that dowsing of Chloroform into that trunk??>>Sorry folks..I just dont accept Cindy/George's behaviors post missing/reporting of Caylee's status??..I cant help but feel they knew she was gone..and accepting that..went further to hide, contaminate evidence..(washing of clothes) etc..

I think Chloroform was added to that trunk after the fact..and if not Cindy..maybe Casey did that.. and itmay have been absorbed by materials encasing Caylee's body...but the decomp odor was just too overpowering to be masked by that chemical.. Fabreeze can mask odors...but cant hide them forever...Sorry Proctor and Gamble you advertising doesnt live up to your claims...LOL!!

Cindy/George's Lawyer ( Brad)..is nothing more than a talking head who is advocating on behalf of his clients..and his dull affect says alot to me...( He really doesnt buy into what he is spewing)!!

LMS:mad:

[aproudmom]

All I have to say is if the Anthony's do not like the release of Autospy reports that should be their focus to change the laws...Like millions of us did in 2001 with the Dale Earnhardt Law his family ask that his fans write to everyone to keep his photos out of the hands of the media and it worked they could do much more if they would make this about Caylee and not KC and change this law of releasing autopsy reports to help other families...BUT THEY WILL NEVER DO THAT..It was not the family and their wealth they said it could never have been done without his loyal fans fighting to keep the photos private..so they need to get off their butts and make changes KC put them in this position so they can thank her..IMO I don't care to read it and WILL NOT...I would never want my family members autopsy report to be public so I will respect Caylee not that I am right it is just something I do not feel should be let out until trial and should never be a public record....


The Florida Legislature's March 29, 2001 law, also known as the Earnhardt Family Protection Act, was sponsored by Senator Jim King (R-Jacksonville) and changed Florida's previously long standing and historically open public records laws from that day onward. The Earnhardt law deemed Florida's medical examination autopsy photographs, video and audio recordings exempt from public inspection without the expressed permission from applicable next of kin.

[Sun]

I wish I was a body language expert, read lips, be a lawyer and so many other things. But........did anybody notice how George physically turned away from Cindy in the courtroom? She put her hand on his arm and he just turned his body away from hers.

I noticed. Did you also notice that when he did that, Cindy placed her hand upon his leg, and was either petting it or picking at something on the fabric.

[Explorer]

I noticed. Did you also notice that when he did that, Cindy placed her hand upon his leg, and was either petting it or picking at something on the fabric.

Because she KNEW the camera was on her.

[*MoonRider*]

Hey, Happy!

IMO the A's do not think about 'that child', but about their other child...ya know the inmate, well anyway, IMO the A's cannot bear to lose the loser that they raised, but they can part with that precious child named Caylee.

I was in utter shock today when I actually heard George say Caylee's name.

Bold is mine. He was reading a prepared statement. jmo

[court~critic1®]

Smirking JB said the autopsy report didn't list COD. I love telling this sub-human that the state does NOT need a COD. He poo=pooed the report. roflmao at him.

[Sun]

Baez, as usually made me nod off. I just noticed today that he has no neck!!! He has had that autopsy report since before the Discovery was released last Friday - NOW he needs 48 more hours....I don't think so. Baez is a fool because he thinks people are stupid and he is the only smart guy on the block. Someone really needs to tell him. Nah - I need my little naps...lol

Baez's actions today just makes me believe that he is really, really dumb. I question how he ever completed the requirements to become an attorney, and to practice law. The Florida Bar needs to be taking a good look at his actions, for he sure is setting a very poor example.

[happygert]

:thumbsup: Yup, they used the description of Caylee's remains as a reason to help their pork rind princess.

I do wonder what kind of stradegy they were using though. How they thought this would work. Because Baez, IMO, actually had a better chance of using pre-trial publicity as a reason to withhold the autopsy than the Anthony's did because of 'grief' and net gossip.

But for some reason, I can't put my finger on it, the Anthony's were used. Hmmmmm!

No I dont believe the a's were used IMO they wanted jb there incase it didnt work and then he was going to ask Judge not to release them they wanted 2 bites of the apple this morning. the a's also use this grieving thing when it suits them ..bc tired the casey not getting a fair trial thing didn't work.. so jb tried it ..

[*MoonRider*]

Smirking JB said the autopsy report didn't list COD. I love telling this sub-human that the state does NOT need a COD. He poo=pooed the report. roflmao at him.
Ask Scott Peterson about that. :laugh:

[kOOkie1]

I sure hope LE has matched the paper towels directly to Casey!!

(couple of screen shots of Casey@Target July 8th)

http://i43.tinypic.com/vws7tj.jpg

http://i44.tinypic.com/ori4gi.jpg

[court~critic1®]

Ask Scott Peterson about that. :laugh:


copy and concur.....don't you just love it. :thumbsup:

[happygert]

The LE never put out that there were searches for decomposition searches, did they?

All the other searches they made public, I would think that had decomp. searches been done, they would have reported that.

JMO


ETA.. on the computers....

sorry you lost me here..

[*MoonRider*]

Anyone notice that the A's don't chew gum in public anymore. Do they read the boards??

[happygert]

Hey, Happy!

IMO the A's do not think about 'that child', but about their other child...ya know the inmate, well anyway, IMO the A's cannot bear to lose the loser that they raised, but they can part with that precious child named Caylee.

I was in utter shock today when I actually heard George say Caylee's name.

No if they had thought about her they would have protected her.. Yes he actually remember her name today.. Wonder if it was written down for him.. oh yes protect casey at all costs even at the cost of Caylee's life.

[seeing_eye]

George and his tears. Clutching his Caylee pic. {Did Cindy have a bear? I didn't notice} Talking about his privacy, bla, bla, bla. Only to have the State ask him how many cameos he's had recently, lmao. Poor George. Smacked down on that one.

What was the purpose for George to have that framed pic of Caylee in court? Was he planning to use it in his plea or something?

[TunaMelt]

I noticed. Did you also notice that when he did that, Cindy placed her hand upon his leg, and was either petting it or picking at something on the fabric.

It's said that the picking of lint or whatever off a man's clothing by a woman is a sign of her ownership of him. It's saying "He's mine."

I think that's true.

It's like a dog marking it's spot, LOL. Not really, but I liked the mental picture of cindy as a dog.

:wink:

[TunaMelt]

What was the purpose for George to have that framed pic of Caylee in court? Was he planning to use it in his plea or something?

It was for the camera.
IMO.

George still thinks he's the one person in that family who can elicit sympathy from viewers.

He must not have checked lately; his popularity has hit the skids, and he's heading for the cellar.
:thumbdown:

[MissElainyS]

Yes but I think the cause of death was suffication.

JMO

I just finished reading the autopsy report posted on the links page. I did see where it says that several pieces of duct tape were found over the mouth and nose apperatures (sp?) which to me I can only envision suffocation with the placement of the tape over the mouth and nose. How she must have struggled and suffered before she died. How tragic.

[TunaMelt]

Anyone notice that the A's don't chew gum in public anymore. Do they read the boards??

I'd bet anything that Cindy does.

As many as she can find.

HI CINDY!
:seeya:



:sneaky:

[*MoonRider*]

It's said that the picking of lint or whatever off a man's clothing by a woman is a sign of her ownership of him. It's saying "He's mine."

I think that's true.

It's like a dog marking it's spot, LOL. Not really, but I liked the mental picture of cindy as a dog.

:wink:

Me too. I wish I were a dog and the A's were a tree. :thumbsup:

[TunaMelt]

I just finished reading the autopsy report posted on the links page. I did see where it says that several pieces of duct tape were found over the mouth and nose apperatures (sp?) which to me I can only envision suffocation with the placement of the tape over the mouth and nose. How she must have struggled and suffered before she died. How tragic.

It certainly is.

And IMO this is the reason Florida has the DP, and IMO if anyone deserves it, Casey Anthony does.

She's a monster.

[Scampi]

Coming into this LATE in the game today....sorry if this is a repeat, but I am sickened!

http://www.wesh.com/cnn-news/19801945/detail.html

"The report noted that there were no maggots in the box of pizza that was inside the car."

"The duct tape found on the head of the skeleton was clearly placed prior to decomposition, according to the autopsy report."

"...when you bring in the chemical analysis of the trunk into play, when you actually read the analysis from the trunk, it says there's higher levels of a certain compound that is present when a person is dying from suffocation -- which is a lack of oxygen."

"For a few minutes, she knew she was dying. She knew she was in pain. She suffered tremendously," defense attorney Richard Hornsby said."


Once again, this is why the death penalty has been put back on the table. Let's see Lyon "motion" her way out of this.


:cuss:

[msgatorslayer]

What was the purpose for George to have that framed pic of Caylee in court? Was he planning to use it in his plea or something?

I guess to remind himself [and others] what Caylee looked like the last time he saw her.:sad:

[Daffodil]

I noticed. Did you also notice that when he did that, Cindy placed her hand upon his leg, and was either petting it or picking at something on the fabric.

Maybe he is tired of her controlling him with her hand squeezing!

[TunaMelt]

Me too. I wish I were a dog and the A's were a tree. :thumbsup:

:lol:

oh we be bad, moon!
:tonguewag:

[TunaMelt]

Once again, this is why the death penalty has been put back on the table. Let's see Lyon "motion" her way out of this.


:cuss:

:thumbup:
I'm with you Scampi.
I am not on the fence with this one.

I want the DP for that woman.

She took away her daughter's breath, cruelly -- I say she doesn't deserve to breathe either.
:cursing:

[Sun]

I sure hope LE has matched the paper towels directly to Casey!!

(couple of screen shots of Casey@Target July 8th)

http://i43.tinypic.com/vws7tj.jpg

http://i44.tinypic.com/ori4gi.jpg

Why are you making reference to something that happened "after" Casey abandoned her car at the Amscot? ...of course Casey could have been purchasing paper towels to "replace" some that she'd used from Tony's apt. But that's it.

[*MoonRider*]

:thumbup:
I'm with you Scampi.
I am not on the fence with this one.

I want the DP for that woman.

She took away her daughter's breath, cruelly -- I say she doesn't deserve to breathe either.
:cursing:
How can a Mother who gave birth to a child throw her lifeless body into two garbage bags and a laundry hamper and throw her into the woods? Beyond comprehension. jmo

[Sun]

Anyone notice that the A's don't chew gum in public anymore. Do they read the boards??

Chewing gum is not allowed in the courtroom. Why they got away with this earlier, is anyones guess. LOL I sure wouldn't jump to the conclusion that not chewing gum in the courtroom is their choice. LOL

[msgatorslayer]

Smirking JB said the autopsy report didn't list COD. I love telling this sub-human that the state does NOT need a COD. He poo=pooed the report. roflmao at him.

As if he rants and smirks about it often enough, the lack of COD will get his client off.:blink:

He may want to ask Willie Craine's attorney if a jury cares about having a COD or not.

[CRRJJ]

Hi Can someone help me out….just got in..and I heard that there were no drugs found in Caylees autopsy, however having followed this case intensly from the beginning , I seem to remember more than one forensic specialists stated on NG’s show and others that if cholorform or other drugs were used, it would be likely that there wouldn’t be any trace of them because of the time that had passed and the decompensation of the body. I got a little mad because I keep hearing the news reporters on tv saying Caylee didn’t die from chloroform. I saw Dr. Baden speaking and saying yes she probably didn’t die from drugs. Hey Dr. Baden, She could have died from chloroform and If what I am saying is true then Dr. Baden knows this and he never said anything on the news. The reporters clearly were novices and did not have some good questions for him. Maybe it cant be proved that it happened but this finding does not mean chloroform wasn’t used. I don’t think news media should use Dr. Baden when it involves this case, as his wife is an attorney on this case. This is a conflict of interest…
does anyone remember??

Jmo
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Eli

I just do not believe Caylee died from the chloroform. If she was already dead from the chloroform, WHY would they put duct tape over her mouth? no, she was murdered with the tape. again JMO but something doesn't add up. :confused:

[MiamiNice1]

Once again, this is why the death penalty has been put back on the table. Let's see Lyon "motion" her way out of this.


:cuss:

I cannot get over this, Scampi!! I'm posting this again for those just joining us.

A BIG "THANKS" to ALL :wub: who provided the fantastic commentary this morning - I'm catching up and it's like I was right there!

=================================

http://www.wesh.com/cnn-news/19801945/detail.html

"The report noted that there were no maggots in the box of pizza that was inside the car."

"The duct tape found on the head of the skeleton was clearly placed prior to decomposition, according to the autopsy report."

"...when you bring in the chemical analysis of the trunk into play, when you actually read the analysis from the trunk, it says there's higher levels of a certain compound that is present when a person is dying from suffocation -- which is a lack of oxygen."

"For a few minutes, she knew she was dying. She knew she was in pain. She suffered tremendously," defense attorney Richard Hornsby said."

[Scampi]

Beth Karas on with Jane Velez Mitchell tonight, explaining the autopsy report. :thumbsup:

[ish]

Hey, Happy!

IMO the A's do not think about 'that child', but about their other child...ya know the inmate, well anyway, IMO the A's cannot bear to lose the loser that they raised, but they can part with that precious child named Caylee.

I was in utter shock today when I actually heard George say Caylee's name.

Yeah, he normally refers to her as "that little girl" I guess they have been coached to use her name.

[Scampi]

I cannot get over this, Scampi!! I'm pasting this again for those just joining us.

A BIG "THANKS" to ALL who provided commentary this morning - I'm catching up and it's like I was right there!

=================================

http://www.wesh.com/cnn-news/19801945/detail.html

"The report noted that there were no maggots in the box of pizza that was inside the car."

"The duct tape found on the head of the skeleton was clearly placed prior to decomposition, according to the autopsy report."

"...when you bring in the chemical analysis of the trunk into play, when you actually read the analysis from the trunk, it says there's higher levels of a certain compound that is present when a person is dying from suffocation -- which is a lack of oxygen."

"For a few minutes, she knew she was dying. She knew she was in pain. She suffered tremendously," defense attorney Richard Hornsby said."

Yep, the placement of the duct tape and the time of placement is huge, according to Beth Karas and allows the Prosecution to argue that cause of death was more then likely suffocation.

[Scampi]

I just do not believe Caylee died from the chloroform. If she was already dead from the chloroform, WHY would they put duct tape over her mouth? no, she was murdered with the tape. again JMO but something doesn't add up. :confused:

The chloroform was used to sedate Caylee so she would not fight or pull off the duct tape plastered over her nose and mouth. imo.

[ttcRider]

Well, hello, Miss. It's a pleasure to meet you. Welcome to IS.

It does sound terrible the way Caylee died. IMO Casey left the night of the 16th after she and Cindy had that fight where Cindy choked Casey and IMO I do believe that Casey stormed out of that house with Caylee in tow and Caylee was screaming and afraid of the hostility surrounding her. Casey was yelling, like, 'shut up.... Shut the .... up and Caylee wouldn't stop crying because she was dramatized.

Casey couldn't handle it and she duct taped that baby's mouth.

JMO

Thats how I think it happened too... :sad:

[kOOkie1]

Sun..I have no doubt she replaced them-
We are not even sure how many times Casey messed with the body and when.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

OMGsh..JVM..has a Th on right now to slam the pros. making that cause of death as Chloroform..I dont think anyone has stated that it the cause of death..only that Chloroform beyond normal levels were detected in that TRUNK..

They accuse error for not testing the remains for chloroform..Yikes..all they had was bones..skull with some hair...OKAY...how would one test tissue or organs for chloroform levels if NOT LEFT after decomposition..and scattered of bones by critters..Geesh!!

Caylee did not commit suicide..and certainly did not bind her mouth and head with duct tape...place a heart over her mouth ( what stranger would even know the heart significance??)..This media stuff is actually making me very agitated!!

Now, I know why I have avoided posting/commenting..and dont watch too much..It is still very heartbreaking for me to even watch such spinning...EEK!

LMS:blink:

[Scampi]

Bringing this post over from today's other thread:


kelloggirl
Registered User Join Date: May 2006
Location: Arlington, VA
Posts: 369

Chloroform Findings

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Just finished reading the toxicology and forther testing on the car trunk items in this report. FINAL Forensic Report

I admit that I was really skeptical about the choloroform evidence until I read this:

"Looking at the integrated areas under the peaks, the control carpet had approximately 10,270 area counts and the Florida trunk sample had approximately 386,200,000 area counts. 10ng of injected standard yielded an area count of approximately 8,240,000 indicating that the Florida trunk sample had an amount of chloroform present which was in the low parts per million range. Typical concentrations seen during human decompositional events of adults yields amounts in the low parts per trillion range.

...and...

Methanol extracts of the tire well scrapings showed many diverse compounds (Acetic acid, Octadecane, etc). Acetic acid (in an acid environment) and/or acetate ion (in an alkaline environment) are by-products of making chloroform with acetone and chlorine.

That trunk carpet was saturated with chloroform. IMO, Casey dumped chloroform all over the carpet, and put a duct taped Caylee in there, shut the trunk, and went on her merry way, IMO. Horrific.

[ish]

Thats how I think it happened too... :sad:

I wouldn't be surprised if she duct taped her and threw her in the trunk while she drove over to TonE's to go to blockbuster. I'll bet she breathed her last while or shortly before TonE and Casey picked out their movies.

[Sun]

Yeah, he normally refers to her as "that little girl" I guess they have been coached to use her name.

When I realized that he was just "reading" a statement on a piece of paper, I realized that anyone could have written those words. And, probably did.

IMO, the "show" put on by the Anthonys, Conway, and Baez today was disgusting. I applaud Judge Strickland for the compassion that he showed today. Though I really thought that he should have been just a bit quicker in shutting Baez down... IMO, Baez deserved none of the Court's attention today. None.

[True2Blues]

It's said that the picking of lint or whatever off a man's clothing by a woman is a sign of her ownership of him. It's saying "He's mine."

I think that's true.

It's like a dog marking it's spot, LOL. Not really, but I liked the mental picture of cindy as a dog.

:wink:

No need to be negative about dogs! LOL As far as claiming George goes, he's all hers. I don't think many would want him.

[happygert]

Oh, sorry, gert,. I thought you posted earlier that Casey may have known how long it would take for Caylee to decompose and I was just responding that Casey had not looked that up on the computer while doing all those searches.

My bad.

not a problem .......

[MiamiNice1]

OMGsh..JVM..has a Th on right now to slam the pros. making that cause of death as Chloroform..I dont hink anyone has stated that it the cause of death..only that Chloroform beyond normal levels were detected in that TRUNK..

They accuse error for not testing the remains for chloroform..Yikes..all they had was bones..skull with some hair...OKAY...how would one test tisuue or organs for chloroform levels if NOT LEFT after decomposition..and scattered of bones by critters..Geesh!!

Caylee did not commit suicide..and certainly did not bind her mouth and head with duct tape...place a heart over her mouth ( what stranger would even know the heart significance??)..This media stuff is actually makng me very agitated!!

Now, I know why I have avoided posting/commenting..and dont watch too much..It is still very heartbreaking for me to even watch such spinning...EEK!

LMS:blink:

If I recall correctly, Dr. Perper has REPEATEDLY stated on the NG show that chloroform would NOT be detectable at the point the remains were found - and even if the body had been found quickly, it would be difficult to detect!

What's wrong with JVM?

[MiamiNice1]

I wouldn't be surprised if she duct taped her and threw her in the trunk while she drove over to TonE's to go to blockbuster. I'll bet she breathed her last while or shortly before TonE and Casey picked out their movies.
Mind blowing. :(

[happygert]

What a huge waste...

They should have had their eyes on the prize, meaning Caylee.
But they didn't and know they have lost it all.

JMO

yes they lost the most precious gift they ever had..

[Pretty Leaf]

It's said that the picking of lint or whatever off a man's clothing by a woman is a sign of her ownership of him. It's saying "He's mine."

I think that's true.

It's like a dog marking it's spot, LOL. Not really, but I liked the mental picture of cindy as a dog.

:wink:

I think I can speak for the women of the world:wink:, she can have him, no worry that anyone else would want him..IMO

[True2Blues]

OMGsh..JVM..has a Th on right now to slam the pros. making that cause of death as Chloroform..I dont think anyone has stated that it the cause of death..only that Chloroform beyond normal levels were detected in that TRUNK..

They accuse error for not testing the remains for chloroform..Yikes..all they had was bones..skull with some hair...OKAY...how would one test tissue or organs for chloroform levels if NOT LEFT after decomposition..and scattered of bones by critters..Geesh!!

Caylee did not commit suicide..and certainly did not bind her mouth and head with duct tape...place a heart over her mouth ( what stranger would even know the heart significance??)..This media stuff is actually making me very agitated!!

Now, I know why I have avoided posting/commenting..and dont watch too much..It is still very heartbreaking for me to even watch such spinning...EEK!

LMS:blink:

They tested what they had. That's why I don't watch JVM, she has people on who have no idea what they're talking about and none of her staff (or she herself) have ever done any homework. To me, that show is a waste of time.

[Grins]

ooooops
posted in closed thread=:crying:
In the latest doc dump:
WFTV:
"The documents also contain a transcript of an interview with ... Joy Wray who was a part of the EquuSearch team.

Wray became involved in the case just days after Caylee disappeared and told investigators she searched along Suburban Drive for the body because she had a, "Gut feeling." Wray said she looked around the area for clues at least 10 times, which is the same spot where Caylee's body was found on December 11.
http://www.wftv.com/news/19725145/detail.html

If she died June 15, 2008, and searches began after July 15, then who dumped the body while defendant was in jail?

C was not known by EquuiSearch to be missing nor was she looked for until on and after July 15 so Joy Wray searched starting "days after" July 15.
Defendant was in jail for those 10 searches and no body was found.
Who put it there? Where was the body for over a month?

[Sun]

...:sad:...

ITA

I was just worried a year ago that Caylee had been tossed in an alligator pond somewhere and that we would never find any remains.

I am very glad that Caylee's remains were found and identified.

I hope that Casey has nightmares every night.

Putting the MoJo on her as I type....:tonguewag:

Oh me too! Add some MoJo from me too!

[seeing_eye]

Sh looked furious to me. I think she had her head down like that so the judge couldn't see the clenched jaw and angry, hateful, glare.

I did see her hand start to shake when he denied their motion, but I put that down to rage, because she didn't get her way.

ITA. I think she was shaking and talking to herself because she was about to explode with rage. I don't think she can go through any court procedure without inserting her 2 cents worth which she tried to do today by whispering to Brad. I think it took every muscle in her body to prevent herself from shouting it out loud.

[*MoonRider*]

ooooops
posted in closed thread=:crying:
In the latest doc dump:
WFTV:
"The documents also contain a transcript of an interview with ... Joy Wray who was a part of the EquuSearch team.

Wray became involved in the case just days after Caylee disappeared and told investigators she searched along Suburban Drive for the body because she had a, "Gut feeling." Wray said she looked around the area for clues at least 10 times, which is the same spot where Caylee's body was found on December 11.
http://www.wftv.com/news/19725145/detail.html

If she died June 15, 2008, and searches began after July 15, then who dumped the body while defendant was in jail?

C was not known by EquuiSearch to be missing nor was she looked for until on and after July 15 so Joy Wray searched starting "days after" July 15.
Defendant was in jail for those 10 searches and no body was found.
Who put it there? Where was the body for over a month?

Grins, Joy Wray has been FL Baker Acted at least 4 times. Don't have a link right now but she's a total nutcase. http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/wray.jpg

If that's all the defense has they are in deep trouble. imo

[CRRJJ]

He's a real piece of work. He doesn't even change the tone of his voice when he turns on the fake sincerity. He makes my skin crawl.

What'd he say? :huh: :confused:

[summer4meplz]

Please continue here.

I recently got home and had time to watch the video from today along with reading the autopsy report. I'm glad that the Judge released it.

Conway tried to weave the criminal trial in and I liked how the Judge smacked him down, lmao.


conway also plugged the fundation the anthony's want to live on....disgraceful...imo

[boo]

I'd bet anything that Cindy does.

As many as she can find.

HI CINDY!
:seeya:



:sneaky:

You're funny. :laugh:

[jakee]

Trying to catch up here, but I think I read on the other thread about this grave wax on paper towels? Do I have that name correct? Anyway, why aren't these TH's talking about that? Isn't this significant?

[Lyndawitha"Y]

If I recall correctly, Dr. Perper has REPEATEDLY stated on the NG show that chloroform would NOT be detectable at the point the remains were found - and even if the body had been found quickly, it would be difficult to detect!

What's wrong with JVM?


My Bolding.... JVM is now stooping for ratings..no other splaination ..She just spent about 1/4 of her hour show..sensationalizing the Chloroform stuff..Yikes..Jane..stop yelling..and stop promoting false ideations...Now Im mad at her!!!

I am sorry..but for myself..I have learned to listen to the likes of Dr. Perper, Baden and Lee then use my own common sense..I dont actually think their views are always unbiased...

Reason for skepticism:

Dr. Perper...Anna Nicol Smith Case
Dr. Lee..Spector Trial#1
Baden..Spector Trial#1

All their decisions/opinions were based on info taken from the point of money source...and in Dr. Perper's case took information from people who had vested interests..(Now they are all indicted...!!) Where is the objective reading of evidence fit in there???It doesnt!! IMO

Anyway..Caylee was either killed intentionally or accidentally..but it is the coverup that is most indicative..She died at the hands of the person who hide the body, who lied to police..who didnt report her missing ( 30 days)..who blamed/enculpated others for any and all things.. Making excuses that arent cooroberated...Yikes..I could go on and on!!

LMS

[Pruddennce]

I cannot get over this, Scampi!! I'm posting this again for those just joining us.

A BIG "THANKS" to ALL :wub: who provided the fantastic commentary this morning - I'm catching up and it's like I was right there!

=================================

http://www.wesh.com/cnn-news/19801945/detail.html

"The report noted that there were no maggots in the box of pizza that was inside the car."

"The duct tape found on the head of the skeleton was clearly placed prior to decomposition, according to the autopsy report."

"...when you bring in the chemical analysis of the trunk into play, when you actually read the analysis from the trunk, it says there's higher levels of a certain compound that is present when a person is dying from suffocation -- which is a lack of oxygen."

"For a few minutes, she knew she was dying. She knew she was in pain. She suffered tremendously," defense attorney Richard Hornsby said."

WESH failed to state the facts of the report: a controlled event USING PIZZA in a pizza box to see if it would attract maggots, etc, was used....SPECIAL NOTE in the report: NO PIZZA was in the car.

how annoying to read inaccuracies.

guess Cindy will start making her rounds with that one and I hope the MEDIA READS the report AGAIN; they should be informed, to the hilt, to smack this family down.

Wesh better get a grip..quite the DUH reporting.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[True2Blues]

What'd he say? :huh: :confused:

Nothing really, except that this is so hard on G and C and it's hard for them to deal with. All I can say, is they'd better find a way to deal. The interview is on WFTV. Someone posted a link.

[imc_e]

c and g did NOTHING to PROTECT CAYLEE.. NOTHING.. they knew their daughter was and unfit mother.. c made casey keep Caylee when casey made it clear she did not want Caylee.. What made c think just because she made casey keep her that casey was going to LOVE her?
WHY didn't c take custody of Caylee.. Why didnt c and g protect Caylee from the monster they created.. c & g cleaned mess after mess of casey's up.. What consequences did casey ever have for her actions? NONE.. Yes I'd say they knew very well what their daughter was capable of.. Now they go into court and ask that the autopsy be sealed for who are they asking that for? Caylee no.. it's, because of the one they are trying to still protect their own murdering ,lying, stealing , bed hopping daughter.. Has nothing to do with protecting Caylee.. they never did PROTECT her ever!
Caylee is dead she dont need protecting.. It's a little too late g and c..

They will never stop tho trying to protect the one who murdered Caylee

remember bc saying to judge if this come out it could jeopardize casey getting a fair trial..... OK bc did you forget this was suppose to be about Caylee..NOPE this little charade today was never about Caylee it was all about casey...
__________________
my own opinions


I agree with every word HappyGert.

The Anthonys have not held Casey accountable.

Even with murdering Caylee, they would prefer for it to be dealt with within their family, all about Casey and not at all about Caylee.

They will reap what they have sown.

Caylee was murdered by her Mother, the grandparents LOVE their grand daugher SO much that they choose to look away.

Shameful!

[TunaMelt]

If I recall correctly, Dr. Perper has REPEATEDLY stated on the NG show that chloroform would NOT be detectable at the point the remains were found - and even if the body had been found quickly, it would be difficult to detect!

What's wrong with JVM?

Where should I begin....

:wink:

[101Spots]

If I recall correctly, Dr. Perper has REPEATEDLY stated on the NG show that chloroform would NOT be detectable at the point the remains were found - and even if the body had been found quickly, it would be difficult to detect!

What's wrong with JVM?

She's a screeching publicity ho?

Oops. My bad. She's a screeching recovering alcoholic publicity ho?

[jakee]

Grins, Joy Wray has been FL Baker Acted at least 4 times. Don't have a link right now but she's a total nutcase. http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/wray.jpg

If that's all the defense has they are in deep trouble. imo

I read that also about Joy. In her interview with police I believe she told them that. Also, is she the one who is married to a PI friendly with the Anthony's, or am I confused again? :confused: I think she had a blog/message board for a while and told this information about her husband. Sorry, I just can't keep everyone straight in my brain, parts of my brain keep falling out to make room for more info.

[happygert]

...:sad:...

ITA

I was just worried a year ago that Caylee had been tossed in an alligator pond somewhere and that we would never find any remains.

I am very glad that Caylee's remains were found and identified.

I hope that Casey has nightmares every night.

Putting the MoJo on her as I type....:tonguewag:

thats what i was afraid of too....so glad she was found..

[sammy62]

:thumbup:
I'm with you Scampi.
I am not on the fence with this one.

I want the DP for that woman.

She took away her daughter's breath, cruelly -- I say she doesn't deserve to breathe either.
:cursing:

I still contend that death is too good for her. I want to see her sit in a small cell for 70 years. Grow old and fat with just a radio to keep her company. Can you even imagine how horrible that would be. They say we never appreciate "freedom" until it is taken away. :cursing:

[TunaMelt]

Grins, Joy Wray has been FL Baker Acted at least 4 times. Don't have a link right now but she's a total nutcase. http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/wray.jpg

If that's all the defense has they are in deep trouble. imo

What does Baker Act -ed mean?

or

What is the Baker Act.

OH and I completely agree she's a nutcase.:scared: Her interview with LE was a really sorry thing to read.:w00t:

[MiamiNice1]

WESH failed to state the facts of the report: a controlled event USING PIZZA in a pizza box to see if it would attract maggots, etc, was used....SPECIAL NOTE in the report: NO PIZZA was in the car.

how annoying to read inaccuracies.

guess Cindy will start making her rounds with that one and I hope the MEDIA READS the report AGAIN; they should be informed, to the hilt, to smack this family down.

Wesh better get a grip..quite the DUH reporting.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

You are so right - NO ONE comes out and unequivocally states "THERE WAS NO PIZZA IN THE CAR".

However, I am pleased to see the noose tightening around all of C&G and Brad Conway's lies!

[MiamiNice1]

Tuna and 101Spots - You kill me! :laugh::thumbsup:

[CRRJJ]

The chloroform was used to sedate Caylee so she would not fight or pull off the duct tape plastered over her nose and mouth. imo.

Absolutely. couldn't agree more.

[Sun]

It is heartbreaking to think that any mom could kill, bag, and dump her own child, like what was done to little Caylee.

And in the pouring rain, and horrible weather, complete strangers were trying to locate the piece that were left of her. Remains. That is all that was left. Scattered by the elements and critters.

All because of one person. Casey. Casey attempted to hide Caylee's death from everyone for at long as she could.

[TunaMelt]

I still contend that death is too good for her. I want to see her sit in a small cell for 70 years. Grow old and fat with just a radio to keep her company. Can you even imagine how horrible that would be. They say we never appreciate "freedom" until it is taken away. :cursing:

Not being able to take a breath is so horribly frightening (been there, I'm fine, all's fine) and if Caylee went through that -- and in a trunk of a hot car -- that poor baby OMG!

I want Casey Anthony to feel fear.

I don't want her to get a sedative before the needle either. :huh: Okay, it would be fine with me, because she shouldn't be calm, but I'll take the DP just the way they give it in Florida. It seems to do the job.

But not as painfully as duct tape and chloroform and darkness and hot hot heat.

And no breath.

OMG.
The horror of it.
:crying:

[msgatorslayer]

What does Baker Act -ed mean?

or

What is the Baker Act.

OH and I completely agree she's a nutcase.:scared: Her interview with LE was a really sorry thing to read.:w00t:

http://www.psychlaws.org/PressRoom/faqonbakeract.htm

[sunstar]

from this link...........

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-bk-caylee-casey-anthony-autopsy-061909,0,5124706.story


Some findings from the reports:

Crime scene technicians spent more than a week scouring the wooded area at the end of Suburban Drive to locate the remains.

The autopsy report shows they collected "an almost complete skeleton of a young child with only multiple small bones missing. The missing bones include small bones from the wrists and hands, as well as fingers and ankle, hyoid and patella," the report said.

The report shows several overlapping pieces of duct tape on Caylee's skull.

"Although there is no trauma evident on the skeleton, there is duct tape over the lower facial region still attached to head hair," the report said. "This duct tape was clearly placed prior to decomposition keeping the mandible in place."

Hi! Thanks so much for posting the condensed version and the link ~ I just got home and am so far behind with the news. I just caught part of JVM talking about the report and she said something about signs of animal activity. :sad: Back to reading and trying to get caught up! MOO

[Grins]

She's a screeching publicity ho?

Oops. My bad. She's a screeching recovering alcoholic publicity ho?
What do you mean exactly and about whom?

[Imperfect4]

Coming into this LATE in the game today....sorry if this is a repeat, but I am sickened!

http://www.wesh.com/cnn-news/19801945/detail.html

"The report noted that there were no maggots in the box of pizza that was inside the car."

"The duct tape found on the head of the skeleton was clearly placed prior to decomposition, according to the autopsy report."

"...when you bring in the chemical analysis of the trunk into play, when you actually read the analysis from the trunk, it says there's higher levels of a certain compound that is present when a person is dying from suffocation -- which is a lack of oxygen."

"For a few minutes, she knew she was dying. She knew she was in pain. She suffered tremendously," defense attorney Richard Hornsby said."

Wow. Just ... wow.

:rose:

[cassidy]

It is heartbreaking to think that any mom could kill, bag, and dump her own child, like what was done to little Caylee.

And in the pouring rain, and horrible weather, complete strangers were trying to locate the piece that were left of her. Remains. That is all that was left. Scattered by the elements and critters.

All because of one person. Casey. Casey attempted to hide Caylee's death from everyone for at long as she could.

The site of those people on their hands and knees for days collecting little bits of what remained of Caylee was heartbreaking. It should have humbled her grandparents and ripped at their hearts. It doesn't appear that happened.
JMO

[*MoonRider*]

What does Baker Act -ed mean?

or

What is the Baker Act.

OH and I completely agree she's a nutcase.:scared: Her interview with LE was a really sorry thing to read.:w00t:
In laymans terms it means thrown into a mental hospital against your will. http://www.psychlaws.org/PressRoom/faqonbakeract.htm

[TunaMelt]

http://www.psychlaws.org/PressRoom/faqonbakeract.htm

Ah hah.
:rolleyes:

Thank you ms.slayer!
:smile:

[seeing_eye]

I just finished reading the autopsy report posted on the links page. I did see where it says that several pieces of duct tape were found over the mouth and nose apperatures (sp?) which to me I can only envision suffocation with the placement of the tape over the mouth and nose. How she must have struggled and suffered before she died. How tragic.

Did the report say the tape was over the nose too? I read the report, but couldn't really understand just exactly where the tape was placed (besides over her mouth, of course).

[TunaMelt]

In laymans terms it means thrown into a mental hospital against your will. http://www.psychlaws.org/PressRoom/faqonbakeract.htm

Moon!
You have a real way with words.
Thanks!
:laugh:

[101Spots]

...:sad:...

ITA

I was just worried a year ago that Caylee had been tossed in an alligator pond somewhere and that we would never find any remains.

I am very glad that Caylee's remains were found and identified.

I hope that Casey has nightmares every night.

Putting the MoJo on her as I type....:tonguewag:

This May Help (http://www.virtual-design.com/demos/voodoodoll/voodoo.asp?section=demo&subsection=voodoo)

[TunaMelt]

This May Help (http://www.virtual-design.com/demos/voodoodoll/voodoo.asp?section=demo&subsection=voodoo)

:lol:

hilarious!

[CRRJJ]

This is so offensive to me but did anyone else hear them say this afternoon, when discussing the autopsy report that, I don't know how to say this so I apologize, there were little plants growing in the spinal column of Caylee and for that to be happening she would have had to be dead a long time---months and months. So she could have been killed right after the last time George saw her. OMG that makes my skin crawl. makes me wonder what else is going to come out about the autopsy.
And did g & c know what was in this report before today? If so, I still don't understand why the rest of us shouldn't know about it.

[taylor63]

This is what I feared the most, and tragically it looks like it may turn out to be true. Casey wanted to go out partying, and got tired of Caylee crying, and then put the tape over her mouth, and put her in the trunk. I just pray that poor baby was already gone by then. This is just too much for me to stomach.

[MiamiNice1]

Wow. Just ... wow.

:rose:
I agree. :sad:

[Sun]

Oh Shucks! A substitute on NG tonight... one of the worst, IMO.

[TunaMelt]

Oh Shucks! A substitute on NG tonight... one of the worst, IMO.

It's Jean, isn't it?:confused:

[101Spots]

Tuna and 101Spots - You kill me! :laugh::thumbsup:

Uh-oh. :scared: MEDIC!!!!! We need help here!! Miami in respiratory arrest!

[TunaMelt]

Uh-oh. :scared: MEDIC!!!!! We need help here!! Miami in respiratory arrest!

I got it handled!:w00t:
(where's her location, though?:scared:)

[bchand]

Coming into this LATE in the game today....sorry if this is a repeat, but I am sickened!

http://www.wesh.com/cnn-news/19801945/detail.html

"The report noted that there were no maggots in the box of pizza that was inside the car."

"The duct tape found on the head of the skeleton was clearly placed prior to decomposition, according to the autopsy report."

"...when you bring in the chemical analysis of the trunk into play, when you actually read the analysis from the trunk, it says there's higher levels of a certain compound that is present when a person is dying from suffocation -- which is a lack of oxygen."

"For a few minutes, she knew she was dying. She knew she was in pain. She suffered tremendously," defense attorney Richard Hornsby said."

Just horrible Miami - I just can't catch up to you all today. I've had my own grandkids all day so I'm just going to spend tonight reading but from that link, this was interesting:

Meanwhile, the state has filed a motion requesting a picture of Casey Anthony's tattoo that reads "La Bella Vita." They will travel to the Orange County Jail to visit Anthony and photograph the tattoo.

Wonder why they're interested in her tattoo?

[AnnieBell]

Hi Can someone help me out….just got in..and I heard that there were no drugs found in Caylees autopsy, however having followed this case intensly from the beginning , I seem to remember more than one forensic specialists stated on NG’s show and others that if cholorform or other drugs were used, it would be likely that there wouldn’t be any trace of them because of the time that had passed and the decompensation of the body. I got a little mad because I keep hearing the news reporters on tv saying Caylee didn’t die from chloroform. I saw Dr. Baden speaking and saying yes she probably didn’t die from drugs. Hey Dr. Baden, She could have died from chloroform and If what I am saying is true then Dr. Baden knows this and he never said anything on the news. The reporters clearly were novices and did not have some good questions for him. Maybe it cant be proved that it happened but this finding does not mean chloroform wasn’t used. I don’t think news media should use Dr. Baden when it involves this case, as his wife is an attorney on this case. This is a conflict of interest…
does anyone remember??

Jmo
__________________
Eli

If memory serves me correctly, wasn't there an issue of tampering with evidence with Dr. Lee and a female attorney who was representing Spector with this female attorney having to take the stand to address tampering of evidence?

[Pruddennce]

Brad's presser
http://www.wftv.com/video/19802786/index.html

he doesnt make any sense.

he goes on to say "WHAT MATTERS' is the findings of Dr G and what the other forensic experts found is what matters and what should come out.

?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????

which is what the release is referencing. its called THE REPORT.....

oh wait: I get it. NO ONE should be allowed to HOLD THE PIECE OF PAPER and talk about it out loud.

do the anthonys have an on/off button on their tv?
do they know how to refuse media interviews?
do they know how to stay away from BLOGGERS....HINT: dont read the forums; go look for some chili recipes or brownies.....

he is lame.

but I was fascinated with George's performance. a reluctant actor. IMO, he is more angry with agreeing to perform like a new puppy than with the actual decision made by the court.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[kitty1182]

This is what I feared the most, and tragically it looks like it may turn out to be true. Casey wanted to go out partying, and got tired of Caylee crying, and then put the tape over her mouth, and put her in the trunk. I just pray that poor baby was already gone by then. This is just too much for me to stomach.

I think she put the tape on her to keep her quite and she drowned in her vomit..imo:sad:

[bchand]

It's Jean, isn't it?:confused:

Yes it's Jean. One of the good ones IMO.

OMG they even tested a dead squirrel?

Kathi Belich says the report shows the duct tape was several layers over her mouth area.

Hey didn't Brad Conway come out and say previously that there was NO ducttape over her mouth?

[101Spots]

What do you mean exactly and about whom?

I was addressing a question about JVM. I mean that she (a) yells rather than uses a normal speaking voice, (b) that she will sensationalize minute points for ratings ("Bombshell!") while she frequently misunderstands or misinterprets these points, and (c) she repeatedly points out that she is a recovering alcoholic, as if that gives special credence to her reports.

MOO

[Jester]

I can name PLENTY. In fact, it's a regular discussion around our house because we saw it coming.

In the A's case it's not simply "accepting responsibility", it's covering it up and pretending nothing is wrong.
Go back to the beginning of this case and read up. Just the bs they spew about Caylee's bio father is enough to make your head spin.

Her parents are liars that see nothing wrong with Casey lying because THAT is how their family rolls.

I call that BAD parenting. Call me crazy.:rolleyes:

I was lost on the other thread ... yes, I agree that the house has been filled with psychological abuse for years, and everyone in the family, except for Cayley, was a willing participant. They are people that seem to thrive on conflict, and messing with each other.

Cindy lied to the police in the 911 call, and has lied throughout the investigation. She dismisses Casey's lies and does not seem to think there's anything wrong with Casey lying to police at the beginning of the investigation. She views Casey's arrest as police persecution rather than a problem with her daughter refusing to truthfully provide police with crucial information about Cayley's whereabouts.

[TunaMelt]

Yes it's Jean. One of the good ones IMO.

OMG they even tested a dead squirrel?

Kathi Belich says the report shows the duct tape was several layers over her mouth area.

Hey didn't Brad Conway come out and say previously that there was NO ducttape over her mouth?

I believe so, I believe he did.

I guess he just "misspoke."

Again.

[Eli]

Hey Eli..First of all, Dr. Baden to me is a talking head..and has long lost his value as a forensic finder of truth..(after I saw his testimony in PS1)
He certainly can yammer on and on about speculative stuff..but thats al he does..and then spins things to suit his agenda when it suits him..

Speaking to the choroform..yes we all speculated in the sedating of Caylee with Chloroform..but it seems that was used to clean and alter the evidence left behind by Caylee's decomposition..which is actually one of it's uses....and would explain the internet searches for "Cleaners" leading to choroform..which no doubt was used to hide smells, stains that were in the trunk..and since we dont know when they were applied to the trunck..maybe..just maybe Cindy did that dowsing of Chloroform into that trunk??>>Sorry folks..I just dont accept Cindy/George's behaviors post missing/reporting of Caylee's status??..I cant help but feel they knew she was gone..and accepting that..went further to hide, contaminate evidence..(washing of clothes) etc..

I think Chloroform was added to that trunk after the fact..and if not Cindy..maybe Casey did that.. and itmay have been absorbed by materials encasing Caylee's body...but the decomp odor was just too overpowering to be masked by that chemical.. Fabreeze can mask odors...but cant hide them forever...Sorry Proctor and Gamble you advertising doesnt live up to your claims...LOL!!

Cindy/George's Lawyer ( Brad)..is nothing more than a talking head who is advocating on behalf of his clients..and his dull affect says alot to me...( He really doesnt buy into what he is spewing)!!

LMS:mad:

thank you that makes it a little more clear

ELE

[summer4meplz]

I read that also about Joy. In her interview with police I believe she told them that. Also, is she the one who is married to a PI friendly with the Anthony's, or am I confused again? :confused: I think she had a blog/message board for a while and told this information about her husband. Sorry, I just can't keep everyone straight in my brain, parts of my brain keep falling out to make room for more info.

joy has a chatroom

http://www.joyangels2930.chatango.com/



where's nancy?

[summer4meplz]

I still contend that death is too good for her. I want to see her sit in a small cell for 70 years. Grow old and fat with just a radio to keep her company. Can you even imagine how horrible that would be. They say we never appreciate "freedom" until it is taken away. :cursing:

fwiw....ita.....:biggrin:

[baywench]

ITA. I think she was shaking and talking to herself because she was about to explode with rage. I don't think she can go through any court procedure without inserting her 2 cents worth which she tried to do today by whispering to Brad. I think it took every muscle in her body to prevent herself from shouting it out loud.


I think in Cindy's opinion it is her world and we all just live in it. Can't wait until the A's are put in their place, the trial is over, Casey gets the DP and we never have to see them again. They disgust me. jmo

[summer4meplz]

The chloroform was used to sedate Caylee so she would not fight or pull off the duct tape plastered over her nose and mouth. imo.

I don't think casey was that kind to Caylee....I HOPE she drugged her first....but I think she's monstrous enough to just tape her up and let her die.....:crying:

[happygert]

Yes and the fact that, even though the ME could not determine the COD she was able to say that is was a Homicide.

JMO

Yes, the witch smothered her.. with duct tape too bad the inmates cant have access to duct tape.. or the jury can say what way to put her to death.......... imo a trunk, hand cuffs and a roll of duct tape would be fitting..

[trich]

If any of our attorney friends are here this evening...

Can the defense team really hold up the trial?

And can an attorney over-rule the Grand Jury indictment or prove it wrong?

http://www.wesh.com/caseyanthony/19583277/detail.html

he newest member of Casey Anthony's defense team said there is no way Anthony's trial will start in October.

Andrea Lyon, a professor at DePaul University College of Law, was introduced at a hearing Thursday. Lyon is to handle death-penalty matters.

She said because she is just learning the case, she will need more time to prepare a defense.

Well if this is true I guess the defense can keep adding atorneys and they can say they need more time to prepare and postpone the trial again.
Is there not some rule/law that says a person has to be brought to trial within a certain amount of time?
I mean how much time is allowed to come up with a defense and what the heck had Baez been doing all this time if he wasn't working the case.
:shrug:

[Imperfect4]

I was lost on the other thread ... yes, I agree that the house has been filled with psychological abuse for years, and everyone in the family, except for Cayley, was a willing participant. They are people that seem to thrive on conflict, and messing with each other.

Cindy lied to the police in the 911 call, and has lied throughout the investigation. She dismisses Casey's lies and does not seem to think there's anything wrong with Casey lying to police at the beginning of the investigation. She views Casey's arrest as police persecution rather than a problem with her daughter refusing to truthfully provide police with crucial information about Cayley's whereabouts.

And yet, there are those who continue to argue that the Anthonys had nothing to do with how Casey developed into the sociopath she clearly is today ... and they had nothing to do with what ultimately happened to Caylee ... and they had no responsibility to protect Caylee from their daughter and her mother, the sociopath.

GMAB.

[Pruddennce]

Yes it's Jean. One of the good ones IMO.

OMG they even tested a dead squirrel?

Kathi Belich says the report shows the duct tape was several layers over her mouth area.

Hey didn't Brad Conway come out and say previously that there was NO ducttape over her mouth?

yes, the report says overlapping tape.

'several overlapping pieces of duct tape over the anterior portion of the lower skull including mandible and a portion of the maxilla.

'duct tape still attached to scalp hairs.'

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2009-06/47589383.pdf

in between the two "M's" is a mouth, IMO!

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[Sun]

Just horrible Miami - I just can't catch up to you all today. I've had my own grandkids all day so I'm just going to spend tonight reading but from that link, this was interesting:

Meanwhile, the state has filed a motion requesting a picture of Casey Anthony's tattoo that reads "La Bella Vita." They will travel to the Orange County Jail to visit Anthony and photograph the tattoo.

Wonder why they're interested in her tattoo?

http://www.wesh.com/cnn-news/19801945/detail.html

I don't really care why they are doing it now, however I sort of like the idea. A reminder to her that she is NOT in control, and that she will be made to submit whether she wants to or not. Of course, I'm sure that Baez will want to be there to witness this act for himself.

[Januarybaby]

Caylee M. Anthony autopsy Report

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0619/19802034.pdf

[msgatorslayer]

Just horrible Miami - I just can't catch up to you all today. I've had my own grandkids all day so I'm just going to spend tonight reading but from that link, this was interesting:

Meanwhile, the state has filed a motion requesting a picture of Casey Anthony's tattoo that reads "La Bella Vita." They will travel to the Orange County Jail to visit Anthony and photograph the tattoo.

Wonder why they're interested in her tattoo?

To show the jury that she got a tat proclaiming her life to be 'beautiful' while her Daughter was 'missing', I'm guessing.:mad:

[happygert]

one dose of chloroform or and over dose would not show up in the hair.. would not be detected..

[kitty1182]

http://www.wesh.com/cnn-news/19801945/detail.html

I don't really care why they are doing it now, however I sort of like the idea. A reminder to her that she is NOT in control, and that she will be made to submit whether she wants to or not. Of course, I'm sure that Baez will want to be there to witness this act for himself.

He probally already has some pics of it..lol

[CRRJJ]

I got it handled!:w00t:
(where's her location, though?:scared:)

I know a cindy, r.n. who is available and willing to help, I bet

[101Spots]

Well if this is true I guess the defense can keep adding atorneys and they can say they need more time to prepare and postpone the trial again.
Is there not some rule/law that says a person has to be brought to trial within a certain amount of time?
I mean how much time is allowed to come up with a defense and what the heck had Baez been doing all this time if he wasn't working the case.
:shrug:

Casey waived that right the same morning the remains were discovered. All bets are off for a speedy trial.

[TunaMelt]

And yet, there are those who continue to argue that the Anthonys had nothing to do with how Casey developed into the sociopath she clearly is today ... and they had nothing to do with what ultimately happened to Caylee ... and they had no responsibility to protect Caylee from their daughter and her mother, the sociopath.

GMAB.

GMAB is right.

There are some who just like to argue for the sake of arguing.

And some are better at "reading" people than others.

And then there are those who are beyond hope and I just try to ignore them because that makes them crazy.

:smile:

[seeing_eye]

Grins, Joy Wray has been FL Baker Acted at least 4 times. Don't have a link right now but she's a total nutcase. http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/wray.jpg

If that's all the defense has they are in deep trouble. imo

IIRC, I think she was Baker acted 5 times.

[101Spots]

http://www.wesh.com/cnn-news/19801945/detail.html

I don't really care why they are doing it now, however I sort of like the idea. A reminder to her that she is NOT in control, and that she will be made to submit whether she wants to or not. Of course, I'm sure that Baez will want to be there to witness this act for himself.

Probably depends on the location of the tattoo. :sneaky:

Anyone remember it's location?

[msgatorslayer]

Well if this is true I guess the defense can keep adding atorneys and they can say they need more time to prepare and postpone the trial again.
Is there not some rule/law that says a person has to be brought to trial within a certain amount of time?
I mean how much time is allowed to come up with a defense and what the heck had Baez been doing all this time if he wasn't working the case.
:shrug:

A judge will give any defendant a REASONABLE amount of time to prepare for a case. However, if it becomes a stall tactic, it is nipped in the bud. IMO

[TunaMelt]

Stretch much? Who said they had no responsibility to protect Caylee? I believe they had no idea Casey could murder her own daughter. What parent would?

GMAB

A parent who has taken the time to get to know their child and who is willing to deal with the fact that their kid is broken and needs help -- no matter how bad it looks to the outside world.

[happygert]

I agree with every word HappyGert.

The Anthonys have not held Casey accountable.

Even with murdering Caylee, they would prefer for it to be dealt with within their family, all about Casey and not at all about Caylee.

They will reap what they have sown.

Caylee was murdered by her Mother, the grandparents LOVE their grand daugher SO much that they choose to look away.

Shameful!

exactly..if c hadnt been so mad about the money she had to pay to get the car out they would have told everyone that casey gave Caylee up for adoption.. end of story.....

[sunstar]

Oh Shucks! A substitute on NG tonight... one of the worst, IMO.

At least they ditched that recorded show with Cindy!! :biggrin: I'm glad since this way I don't have to read everything in the report.

[Januarybaby]

I posted the Autopsy Report (#172) in case some are looking for it. I got it off the CNN Courttv website. Here it is again:

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0619/19802034.pdf

[sunstar]

Here ya go....

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19801498/detail.html

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19801734/detail.html

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19801861/detail.html

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19801867/detail.html


hope this helps you to get caught up.

Thanks so much my friend! :wub: I'll go over there after Nancy's show is over.

[sammy62]

Not being able to take a breath is so horribly frightening (been there, I'm fine, all's fine) and if Caylee went through that -- and in a trunk of a hot car -- that poor baby OMG!

I want Casey Anthony to feel fear.

I don't want her to get a sedative before the needle either. :huh: Okay, it would be fine with me, because she shouldn't be calm, but I'll take the DP just the way they give it in Florida. It seems to do the job.

But not as painfully as duct tape and chloroform and darkness and hot hot heat.

And no breath.

OMG.
The horror of it.
:crying:



I do agree with you. I can't even imagine it. I blow misquitoes off my arm. And I suppose we all put our own fears and feelings into any situation. I'm not afraid to die (however I never killed anyone), but I would die in a cell.

[Imperfect4]

GMAB is right.

There are some who just like to argue for the sake of arguing.

And some are better at "reading" people than others.

And then there are those who are beyond hope and I just try to ignore them because that makes them crazy.

:smile:

Yeah, got that one covered now. :wink:

[Jester]

Yes, the witch smothered her.. with duct tape too bad the inmates cant have access to duct tape.. or the jury can say what way to put her to death.......... imo a trunk, hand cuffs and a roll of duct tape would be fitting..

I'm listening to NG and shaking my head ... several layers of duct tape across Cayley's mouth. That poor child. She would have had her hands restrained too - otherwise she would have taken it off. Casey is a monster.

[AnnieBell]

me too. click :)

More good advice, count me in too. Could someone help me out with some of these abbreviations like IMO I promise to be a fast learner

[AMS]

joy has a chatroom

http://www.joyangels2930.chatango.com/



where's nancy?

Hi summer - NG has been on vacation all week.


imo

[summer4meplz]

Stretch much? Who said they had no responsibility to protect Caylee? I believe they had no idea Casey could murder her own daughter. What parent would?

GMAB

then I wonder why george and cindy went running to the backyard to check UNDER the playhouse after they got home with that car of casey's reeking of Caylee's decomposing body.....

[Jester]

And yet, there are those who continue to argue that the Anthonys had nothing to do with how Casey developed into the sociopath she clearly is today ... and they had nothing to do with what ultimately happened to Caylee ... and they had no responsibility to protect Caylee from their daughter and her mother, the sociopath.

GMAB.

Casey learned all her dirty tricks right at home. I too, at one time, wanted to give Cindy and George the benefit of the doubt; believe that they were parents with a difficult child ... not so anymore. Every trick that Casey has pulled, Cindy has pulled. They all have the same uncontrolled anger, they all party when someone is dead, they're all the same.

They are part of the cause of Cayley's murder. George constantly fought with Casey, and Cindy constantly competed with her. If they had been good parents, Casey would not have become the desperate sociopath she is.

[CelticDawn]

I'm listening to NG and shaking my head ... several layers of duct tape across Cayley's mouth. That poor child. She would have had her hands restrained too - otherwise she would have taken it off. Casey is a monster.

Has something changed?

I have had to take a break from watching anything about caylee's murder and all of these other child deaths that have been in the news lately. I apologize. I know I am weak....but


several LAYERS of duct tape? I never heard it put like this before. was this a new revelation in the documents?

Casey should be put to death in the SAME manner that she put Caylee to death if all of this can be proved.

[Imperfect4]

Probably depends on the location of the tattoo. :sneaky:

Anyone remember it's location?

Shoulder, if memory serves me.

I find this an interesting development ... this request for a photo of the tat. :smile:

[happygert]

g also said he wanted it sealed until it becomes necessary for it to be made public at his daughter trial.. he also said memories is all they have left.. HEY G stop selling Caylee's things.. memories dont mean as much to them as the blood money does..

[~jomomma~]

i'm not saying i believe casey didn't drug Caylee at all but just a thought.....

with multiple layers of duct tape, there would be no reason to have to drug her. Caylee would've never been able to tear that tape off her face. :crying:

i believe she wrapped it all the way around her head multiple times, covering her mouth and nose.

[~jomomma~]

another thought....when seeing Judge S. taking his glasses off and looking at George today, i wonder if he was thinking 'Good Lord Man! you sound like you're crying but i don't see any tears!' :huh:

[Imperfect4]

More good advice, count me in too. Could someone help me out with some of these abbreviations like IMO I promise to be a fast learner

IMO = in my opinion
JMO = just my opinion
MOO = my opinion only

PRP = Pork Rind Princess (Casey)
PPOF = Princess Pants on Fire (also Casey)
OC = Odious Creature (Casey, as well)

:smile:

[Grins]

IIRC, I think she was Baker acted 5 times.I didn't know that; thank you and 101 Spots for the information and explanations.

[summer4meplz]

another thought....when seeing Judge S. taking his glasses off and looking at George today, i wonder if he was thinking 'Good Lord Man! you sound like you're crying but i don't see any tears!' :huh:

I wondered if he thought...."dare I push my glasses up on my nose?":wink:

[need2no]

Probably depends on the location of the tattoo. :sneaky:

Anyone remember it's location?


Left shoulder on July 2nd.

[CelticDawn]

IIRC, I think she was Baker acted 5 times.

there goes her credibility on the stand.

Is that what the defense intends to use?

[Jester]

Stretch much? Who said they had no responsibility to protect Caylee? I believe they had no idea Casey could murder her own daughter. What parent would?

GMAB

Oddly enough, George told someone that they should have taken custody of Cayley long ago, Cindy said the same to Casey on July 16. Both parents knew that Casey should not have custody of Cayley, but did nothing. When Cayley was alive, the grandparents did absolutely nothing to help out and give Casey a break. Every time Casey went out, Cindy harassed her to come home. When her fiance was visiting, they treated both Casey and Jesse like they were 12 year olds. The parents made Casey's life miserable, while at the same time enabling her insane behavior.

[summer4meplz]

How does them running around AFTERWARDS doing the things they did after smelling the decomposition have anything to do with them 'knowing' their own daughter could murder her own child beforehand? I would think anyone would do the same, look for her anywhere and everywhere. That says nothing about whether they knew as some here seem to think that she was going to go out and do what she did. I've never agreed with anything they did afterwards but I won't blame them for not being psychic about the murder of their own grandchild, either.

I tried......have a nice day....:rolleyes:

[summer4meplz]

there goes her credibility on the stand.

Is that what the defense intends to use?

I think it's probably the best they got.....

[CelticDawn]

i'm not saying i believe casey didn't drug Caylee at all but just a thought.....

with multiple layers of duct tape, there would be no reason to have to drug her. Caylee would've never been able to tear that tape off her face. :crying:

i believe she wrapped it all the way around her head multiple times, covering her mouth and nose.

:crying: after my near meltdown on June 15-16th just thinking about what must have bveen happening to caylee, I missed a lot I see.


Is there is a link to the court hearings?
I wasn't even aware of them until I logged on just NOW!

[~jomomma~]

i haven't even been able to read the 2nd and 3rd reports yet. *sigh*

[Jester]

then I wonder why george and cindy went running to the backyard to check UNDER the playhouse after they got home with that car of casey's reeking of Caylee's decomposing body.....

Good question. Maybe they noticed that it was moved at some point, but thought little of it until they smelled the car.

[Imperfect4]

I think it's probably the best they got.....

A 5 time Baker Acted witness and an invisible nanny?

That'll work.

:thumbsup:

[sunstar]

I'm listening to NG and shaking my head ... several layers of duct tape across Cayley's mouth. That poor child. She would have had her hands restrained too - otherwise she would have taken it off. Casey is a monster.

And didn't I hear it was also over Caylee's nose? :crying:

[need2no]

Defendant Name: JOY WRAY
DOB: 06/1979
----------
0 DRIVING WITHOUT HEADLIGHTS
0 RESIST OFFICER FLEE/ELUDE W/ACTIVE SIREN
1 FLEEING OR ATTEMPTING TO ELUDE A POLICE OFFICER
2 RECKLESS DRIVING
----------
08/12/2008 FREE MENTAL HEALTH DIVERSION/PRETRIAL RELEASE
08/12/2008 DNP DEFENDANT WAS NOT PRESENT FOR ARRAIGNMENT
08/12/2008 MNFD STATE ATTORNEY S. PIERCE/L. GUTTENTAG WAS PRESENT FOR ARRAIGNMENT
08/12/2008 MNFD PD MAC-HOWARD/ ANDERSON WAS PRESENT FOR ARRAIGNMENT
08/12/2008 MNFD MENTAL HEALTH DIVERSION AGREEMENT FILED IN THE COURT FILE, REMOVE FROM THE
08/12/2008 MNFD --DOCKET.
08/12/2008 MNFD DEFENDANT RELEASED AS TO THIS CAUSE
08/12/2008 MNFD (0)DRIVING WITHOUT HEADLIGHTS 316.217 I-: COURT DISMISSED CHARGE.
08/08/2008 LOPE SEALED ENVELOPE LETTER FROM SEMINOLE COMMUNITY MENTAL HEALTH CENTER
07/01/2008 PRES DEFENDANT WAS PRESENT FOR ARRAIGNMENT
07/01/2008 MNFD STATE ATTORNEY S. PIERCE/L. GUTTENTAG WAS PRESENT FOR ARRAIGNMENT
07/01/2008 MNFD PD MAC-HOWARD/ANDERSON WAS PRESENT FOR ARRAIGNMENT
07/01/2008 ARSC ARRAIGNMENT CONTINUED TO 08/12/2008 AT 0130PM IN COURTROOM 1A, AT CRIMINAL
07/01/2008 ARSC --JUSTICE BUILDING BEFORE JUDGE O. H. EATON JR MANDATORY COURT APPEARANCE.
07/01/2008 MNFD MENTAL HEALTH DIVERSION CANDIDATE.
07/01/2008 MNFD ALL CHARGES: DEFENDANT CONTINUED ON BOND
07/01/2008 MNFD COURT GRANTED DEFENSE MOTION TO CONTINUE
06/10/2008 ACKA ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF APPOINTMENT
06/03/2008 AIAP AFFIDAVIT OF INDIGENCY/APPROVED MO
06/04/2008 FEE - AMT:$40.00
06/03/2008 PDPD ASSIGN ATTORNEY - NAME: PUBLIC DEFENDER
06/03/2008 PRES DEFENDANT WAS PRESENT FOR ARRAIGNMENT
06/03/2008 MNFD STATE ATTORNEY S. PIERCE/L. GUTTENTAG WAS PRESENT FOR ARRAIGNMENT
06/03/2008 MNFD PD MAC-HOWARD/ANDERSON WAS PRESENT FOR ARRAIGNMENT
06/03/2008 ARSC ARRAIGNMENT CONTINUED TO 07/01/2008 AT 0130PM IN COURTROOM 1A, AT CRIMINAL
06/03/2008 ARSC --JUSTICE BUILDING BEFORE JUDGE O. H. EATON JR MANDATORY COURT APPEARANCE.
06/03/2008 MNFD COURT FOUND INDIGENT AND APPOINTED PUBLIC DEFENDER
06/03/2008 MNFD ALL CHARGES: DEFENDANT CONTINUED ON BOND
06/03/2008 MNFD COURT GRANTED DEFENSE MOTION TO CONTINUE
05/29/2008 IFFD INFORMATION FILED - DATE: 05/29/2008
05/15/2008 SYS NOTICE FOR ARRAIGNMENT JUN 03, 2008 AT 01:30 PM PRINTED
05/15/2008 ATFD ARREST REPORT - DATE: 03/26/2008
05/15/2008 BDBD SET BONDSMAN - AMT:$0.00 - STATUS: NOB
05/15/2008 ARSC ARRAIGNMENT SET [M]- DATE: 06/03/2008 - TIME: 0130PM - CTRM: 1A
05/15/2008 CTAT CITATION(S) 3
592008CF002535A Judge: EATON, JR., O. H.



http://seminoleclerk.org/CriminalDocket/case_...

[really3997]

Oh my do I have to play catch up in a big way.....everyone stop talking while I read. (ps...Cindy don't look happy..uh oh:scared:)

[Chardonnay]

Oh Shucks! A substitute on NG tonight... one of the worst, IMO.

I agree. I wonder why they don't have Beth Karass ever substitute. I really like her.

[Imperfect4]

Oh my do I have to play catch up in a big way.....everyone stop talking while I read. (ps...Cindy don't look happy..uh oh:scared:)

Go figure. :rolleyes:

[Jester]

Has something changed?

I have had to take a break from watching anything about caylee's murder and all of these other child deaths that have been in the news lately. I apologize. I know I am weak....but


several LAYERS of duct tape? I never heard it put like this before. was this a new revelation in the documents?

Casey should be put to death in the SAME manner that she put Caylee to death if all of this can be proved.

I haven't read the autopsy report yet, but that's what they're saying on NG ... several layers of duct tape. It makes me wonder if Casey took the roll and just wrapped it around her daughter's head - round and round, topped it off with a couple of stickers, and called it a day.

She's wicked.

[summer]

I think in Cindy's opinion it is her world and we all just live in it. Can't wait until the A's are put in their place, the trial is over, Casey gets the DP and we never have to see them again. They disgust me. jmo

Could people be so awful they just spontaneously combust?

I think that might happen to them! :scared:

[Leve]

yes, the report says overlapping tape.

'several overlapping pieces of duct tape over the anterior portion of the lower skull including mandible and a portion of the maxilla.

'duct tape still attached to scalp hairs.'

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2009-06/47589383.pdf

in between the two "M's" is a mouth, IMO!

IMO

best regards,
Pru


*waiting on maggot evidence.....*
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2009-06/47589383.pdf

On Page 3 of 13 or 6453 it says "grayish colored tape was noted covering the mouth ans nasal aperture area"


Does that mean the tape was over her mouth and nose?

[Imperfect4]

Defendant Name: JOY WRAY
DOB: 06/1979

<snipped for space>

http://seminoleclerk.org/CriminalDocket/case_...

Busy gal.

Get the net.

[sunstar]

Good question. Maybe they noticed that it was moved at some point, but thought little of it until they smelled the car.

They knew she was dead and probably wanted to make sure she wasn't buried in the back yard. :mad: MOO

[need2no]

:crying: after my near meltdown on June 15-16th just thinking about what must have bveen happening to caylee, I missed a lot I see.


Is there is a link to the court hearings?
I wasn't even aware of them until I logged on just NOW!



Yes, it's on the links page. You can watch the hearing from the link.

[Jester]

i'm not saying i believe casey didn't drug Caylee at all but just a thought.....

with multiple layers of duct tape, there would be no reason to have to drug her. Caylee would've never been able to tear that tape off her face. :crying:

i believe she wrapped it all the way around her head multiple times, covering her mouth and nose.

That's what I'm wondering. She started with the chloroform, and then kept going - like she wanted to obliterate her daughter.

[sunstar]

I haven't read the autopsy report yet, but that's what they're saying on NG ... several layers of duct tape. It makes me wonder if Casey took the roll and just wrapped it around her daughter's head - round and round, topped it off with a couple of stickers, and called it a day.

She's wicked.

That's what it sounds like to me and probably why no fingerprints were found on the tape because she was holding the roll. MOO

[boo]

And yet, there are those who continue to argue that the Anthonys had nothing to do with how Casey developed into the sociopath she clearly is today ... and they had nothing to do with what ultimately happened to Caylee ... and they had no responsibility to protect Caylee from their daughter and her mother, the sociopath.

GMAB.

And just maybe, that might be a little true, IF the OC didn't live under the same roof as G & C while "raising" poor Caylee.

[Imperfect4]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2009-06/47589383.pdf

On Page 3 of 13 or 6453 it says "grayish colored tape was noted covering the mouth ans nasal aperture area"


Does that mean the tape was over her mouth and nose?

Yes. As I understand it, "nasal aperture" is the hole where her nose once was. (Sorry, folks.)

[need2no]

Busy gal.

Get the net.

:smile:

Indeed, time for the men with the white jackets to head her way for a pickup.

[Jester]

And didn't I hear it was also over Caylee's nose? :crying:

I'd have to read the report ... saving that for later (long day, decompressing still).

[Imperfect4]

And just maybe, that might be a little true, IF the OC didn't live under the same roof as G & C while "raising" poor Caylee.

ITA. That family was very entangled with one another.

If Casey had been out on her own with Caylee for some length of time, I'd be more inclined to cut the grieving gp's some slack.

[PuffDragon]

How does them running around AFTERWARDS doing the things they did after smelling the decomposition have anything to do with them 'knowing' their own daughter could murder her own child beforehand? I would think anyone would do the same, look for her anywhere and everywhere. That says nothing about whether they knew as some here seem to think that she was going to go out and do what she did. I've never agreed with anything they did afterwards but I won't blame them for not being psychic about the murder of their own grandchild, either.

I agree, rhiannon. What parent, no matter what has gone before, really can accept that his child, someone he brought into the world, loved, and supported, would willingly and with malice kill another person..... any other person, but especially her own child? What parent when faced with an incomprehensible situation goes right into that place: oh yes, certainly, I accept that my child did this horrible thing?

So half of their minds must have shut down at the point that they smelled the car. They talked about it, they thought about it, they searched under the playhouse and in the back yard.... they suspected, but most of all they wanted to make sure it wasn't so. for a little while they were still living in reality. I can have sympathy with what might have been going through their minds.

Now, that said, I think they went on to choose the low... the lowest.... road and I have no sympathy with them at all, no compassion with what they are going through, they brought it all on themselves and they keep on doing it mindlessly. I don't care about them. But their actions up to the day after the 911 calls convince me that they didn't know, didn't anticipate, and didn't want to believe.

[really3997]

I see that Cindy is sitting next to the National Today show leeches and NOT local leeches. Interesting

[summer]

then I wonder why george and cindy went running to the backyard to check UNDER the playhouse after they got home with that car of casey's reeking of Caylee's decomposing body.....

Yes, *snort* they were looking for a "live caylee" under the playhouse.

Can you imagine what's going on over at the Anthonys den of horrors tonight? Spinning, twisting, yelling, screaming, blaming, conniving... oy.

[~jomomma~]

I agree. I wonder why they don't have Beth Karass ever substitute. I really like her.

i love Beth! i met her once and got my pic with her when she was in town for the trial of Father Robinson. :biggrin:

[Snoopy50]

Quote:
Originally Posted by rhiannon View Post
Really? And that should matter to me ...... why? I can give an opinion just like you. I happen to believe child killers are responsible for their own actions, and to place the blame on anyone else is just really, really strange ..... no matter who they are. Show me a perfect parent ...... oh wait, you, I'm guessing.
You assume too much......if you are implying that I believe i am perfect. I am an good parent, a VERY good parent, but I have made mistakes in raising my kids. All 4 turned out to be exceptional people, 2 of them are in law enforcement. I did, however, make a sincere effort to learn from my mistakes and not repeat them and I DID hold my children accountable. Tough love is sometimes brutal for a parent but necessary if the situation warrants it. IMO the Anthony's knew they were raising a monster, and they did NOTHING to help her. Rather than insult some of us, you might be better off trying to understand why we feel the way we feel. As a side note, it appears that Casey anthony learned from the worst: her parents. Caylee never stood a chance.
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You get to be you...they HAVE to be them.
David Crosby
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I carried this over from the old threat because I think it's important. (and because I didn;t appreciate the undeserved dig)

[Pruddennce]

barfA parent who has taken the time to get to know their child and who is willing to deal with the fact that their kid is broken and needs help -- no matter how bad it looks to the outside world.

you are right!

IMO they had plenty of historical information that she was a timebomb, just like her father. just like her mother.

her 'frustrated' jailhouse video, where she keeps saying she wants to talk, let me talk! and they say go ahead and she is still spewing forth let me talk!....well she was restrained and her fists were flying....

imagine her rage in an unrestrained setting.

ok...if one doesnt believe she had a history, well, lets ask the parents why, when they discover that her car was towed on June 30th, the car had flies and maggots and smelled like decomp....they didnt hear their grandaughter's voice since June 15 (personally I dont reference GA's claims)....

they see her carseat, babydoll, backpack....and they did what?
NOTHING.

what constitutes an emergency situation in the Anthony home?

Answer: they wait until their daughter tells them a month later she's missing....HELP, GET AN AMBER ALERT....

nevermind the decomp smelling car.

my daughter said the babysitter TOOK HER. A MONTH AGO.

"Casey said' is their downfall. do these people have one brain between them?

the only part of their brains that work: covert behaviour. simply because they dont want anyone to know how dysfuctional they are...

if Cindy had half of a brain, she would have stayed away from interviews. most notably AFTER THE REMAINS WERE FOUND. their "Caylee is alive" scamming campaign was OVER. DONE.

but now we find out it is just beginning: a scamming foundation.

abhorrent.

barf

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[Snoopy50]

barf

you are right!

IMO they had plenty of historical information that she was a timebomb, just like her father. just like her mother.

her 'frustrated' jailhouse video, where she keeps saying she wants to talk, let me talk! and they say go ahead and she is still spewing forth let me talk!....well she was restrained and her fists were flying....

imagine her rage in an unrestrained setting.

ok...if one doesnt believe she had a history, well, lets ask the parents why, when they discover that her car was towed on June 30th, the car had flies and maggots and smelled like decomp....they didnt hear their grandaughter's voice since June 15 (personally I dont reference GA's claims)....

they see her carseat, babydoll, backpack....and they did what?
NOTHING.

what constitutes an emergency situation in the Anthony home?

Answer: they wait until their daughter tells them a month later she's missing....HELP, GET AN AMBER ALERT....

nevermind the decomp smelling car.

my daughter said the babysitter TOOK HER. A MONTH AGO.

"Casey said' is their downfall. do these people have one brain between them?

the only part of their brains that work: covert behaviour. simply because they dont want anyone to know how dysfuctional they are...

if Cindy had half of a brain, she would have stayed away from interviews. most notably AFTER THE REMAINS WERE FOUND. their "Caylee is alive" scamming campaign was OVER. DONE.

but now we find out it is just beginning: a scamming foundation.

abhorrent.

barf

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

Thank you Pru for your voice of reason.:thumbup:

[sunstar]

Yes. As I understand it, "nasal aperture" is the hole where her nose once was. (Sorry, folks.)

You're right. And I also heard on NG's show that the tape was over her nose & mouth. She probably suffocated to death, imo. :flamemad:

[CRRJJ]

BY THE WAY, does anyone know how Casey is doing, mentally? Anymore screaming in the middle of the night, or throwing herself on the floor, holding her breath, or--------? I think she's lonesome and should be put in with the toughest, roughest woman in the jail. You know, just to keep her safe from all those ghouls who are scaring her. Poor soul. Casey, let me tell you, it's just the beginning. Sleep well tonight. :tonguewag: :lol: :scared:

[sunstar]

Yes, *snort* they were looking for a "live caylee" under the playhouse.

Can you imagine what's going on over at the Anthonys den of horrors tonight? Spinning, twisting, yelling, screaming, blaming, conniving... oy.

The only ones in the house I feel sorry for are their poor dogs having to live under that roof. I hope they can go hide somewhere! :crying:

[summer]

Busy gal.

Get the net.

*titter* :laugh:

[summer4meplz]

Defendant Name: JOY WRAY
DOB: 06/1979
----------
0 DRIVING WITHOUT HEADLIGHTS
0 RESIST OFFICER FLEE/ELUDE W/ACTIVE SIREN
1 FLEEING OR ATTEMPTING TO ELUDE A POLICE OFFICER
2 RECKLESS DRIVING
----------
08/12/2008 FREE MENTAL HEALTH DIVERSION/PRETRIAL RELEASE
08/12/2008 DNP DEFENDANT WAS NOT PRESENT FOR ARRAIGNMENT
08/12/2008 MNFD STATE ATTORNEY S. PIERCE/L. GUTTENTAG WAS PRESENT FOR ARRAIGNMENT
08/12/2008 MNFD PD MAC-HOWARD/ ANDERSON WAS PRESENT FOR ARRAIGNMENT
08/12/2008 MNFD MENTAL HEALTH DIVERSION AGREEMENT FILED IN THE COURT FILE, REMOVE FROM THE
08/12/2008 MNFD --DOCKET.
08/12/2008 MNFD DEFENDANT RELEASED AS TO THIS CAUSE
08/12/2008 MNFD (0)DRIVING WITHOUT HEADLIGHTS 316.217 I-: COURT DISMISSED CHARGE.
08/08/2008 LOPE SEALED ENVELOPE LETTER FROM SEMINOLE COMMUNITY MENTAL HEALTH CENTER
07/01/2008 PRES DEFENDANT WAS PRESENT FOR ARRAIGNMENT
07/01/2008 MNFD STATE ATTORNEY S. PIERCE/L. GUTTENTAG WAS PRESENT FOR ARRAIGNMENT
07/01/2008 MNFD PD MAC-HOWARD/ANDERSON WAS PRESENT FOR ARRAIGNMENT
07/01/2008 ARSC ARRAIGNMENT CONTINUED TO 08/12/2008 AT 0130PM IN COURTROOM 1A, AT CRIMINAL
07/01/2008 ARSC --JUSTICE BUILDING BEFORE JUDGE O. H. EATON JR MANDATORY COURT APPEARANCE.
07/01/2008 MNFD MENTAL HEALTH DIVERSION CANDIDATE.
07/01/2008 MNFD ALL CHARGES: DEFENDANT CONTINUED ON BOND
07/01/2008 MNFD COURT GRANTED DEFENSE MOTION TO CONTINUE
06/10/2008 ACKA ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF APPOINTMENT
06/03/2008 AIAP AFFIDAVIT OF INDIGENCY/APPROVED MO
06/04/2008 FEE - AMT:$40.00
06/03/2008 PDPD ASSIGN ATTORNEY - NAME: PUBLIC DEFENDER
06/03/2008 PRES DEFENDANT WAS PRESENT FOR ARRAIGNMENT
06/03/2008 MNFD STATE ATTORNEY S. PIERCE/L. GUTTENTAG WAS PRESENT FOR ARRAIGNMENT
06/03/2008 MNFD PD MAC-HOWARD/ANDERSON WAS PRESENT FOR ARRAIGNMENT
06/03/2008 ARSC ARRAIGNMENT CONTINUED TO 07/01/2008 AT 0130PM IN COURTROOM 1A, AT CRIMINAL
06/03/2008 ARSC --JUSTICE BUILDING BEFORE JUDGE O. H. EATON JR MANDATORY COURT APPEARANCE.
06/03/2008 MNFD COURT FOUND INDIGENT AND APPOINTED PUBLIC DEFENDER
06/03/2008 MNFD ALL CHARGES: DEFENDANT CONTINUED ON BOND
06/03/2008 MNFD COURT GRANTED DEFENSE MOTION TO CONTINUE
05/29/2008 IFFD INFORMATION FILED - DATE: 05/29/2008
05/15/2008 SYS NOTICE FOR ARRAIGNMENT JUN 03, 2008 AT 01:30 PM PRINTED
05/15/2008 ATFD ARREST REPORT - DATE: 03/26/2008
05/15/2008 BDBD SET BONDSMAN - AMT:$0.00 - STATUS: NOB
05/15/2008 ARSC ARRAIGNMENT SET [M]- DATE: 06/03/2008 - TIME: 0130PM - CTRM: 1A
05/15/2008 CTAT CITATION(S) 3
592008CF002535A Judge: EATON, JR., O. H.



http://seminoleclerk.org/CriminalDocket/case_...

casey anthony's STAR witness......:scared:

[sunstar]

BY THE WAY, does anyone know how Casey is doing, mentally? Anymore screaming in the middle of the night, or throwing herself on the floor, holding her breath, or--------? I think she's lonesome and should be put in with the toughest, roughest woman in the jail. You know, just to keep her safe from all those ghouls who are scaring her. Poor soul. Casey, let me tell you, it's just the beginning. Sleep well tonight. :tonguewag: :scared:

She's probably so frustrated now that she can't swallow. :lol:

(sorry I had to steal a smiley)

[boo]

Yes, *snort* they were looking for a "live caylee" under the playhouse.

Can you imagine what's going on over at the Anthonys den of horrors tonight? Spinning, twisting, yelling, screaming, blaming, conniving... oy.

IDK, Summer, but Really's walls are gonna be a'vibratin' again tonight. :sneaky:

[Imperfect4]

barf

you are right!

IMO they had plenty of historical information that she was a timebomb, just like her father. just like her mother.

her 'frustrated' jailhouse video, where she keeps saying she wants to talk, let me talk! and they say go ahead and she is still spewing forth let me talk!....well she was restrained and her fists were flying....

imagine her rage in an unrestrained setting.

ok...if one doesnt believe she had a history, well, lets ask the parents why, when they discover that her car was towed on June 30th, the car had flies and maggots and smelled like decomp....they didnt hear their grandaughter's voice since June 15 (personally I dont reference GA's claims)....

they see her carseat, babydoll, backpack....and they did what?
NOTHING.

what constitutes an emergency situation in the Anthony home?

Answer: they wait until their daughter tells them a month later she's missing....HELP, GET AN AMBER ALERT....

nevermind the decomp smelling car.

my daughter said the babysitter TOOK HER. A MONTH AGO.

"Casey said' is their downfall. do these people have one brain between them?

the only part of their brains that work: covert behaviour. simply because they dont want anyone to know how dysfuctional they are...

if Cindy had half of a brain, she would have stayed away from interviews. most notably AFTER THE REMAINS WERE FOUND. their "Caylee is alive" scamming campaign was OVER. DONE.

but now we find out it is just beginning: a scamming foundation.

abhorrent.

barf

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

My bolding ...

Nailed it. As usual.

[sammy62]

Busy gal.

Get the net.

Can someone tell me who joy wroy is? I missed something?

[really3997]

IDK, Summer, but Really's walls are gonna be a'vibratin' again tonight. :sneaky:

ok that is still gross...I live one subdivision over like 2 blocks silly...But I am assuming the next chess move will involve more Helicopters over head at 1:00 in the morning that I do hear...JMO...

[Leve]

You're right. And I also heard on NG's show that the tape was over her nose & mouth. She probably suffocated to death, imo. :flamemad:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2009-06/47589408.pdf

In the Forensics report it says on page 13 or 6563 that Compounds associated with anaerobic decomposition where found supporting an oxygen deprived decompositional event.

Does that mean that the body was oxygen deprived or that there was a lack of oxygen in the truck and the environment the event occured in was oxygen deprived?

[Imperfect4]

Yes, *snort* they were looking for a "live caylee" under the playhouse.

Can you imagine what's going on over at the Anthonys den of horrors tonight? Spinning, twisting, yelling, screaming, blaming, conniving... oy.

George couldn't even get out of the courtroom without acting like an angry child.

When you get to your 50's and continue to choose to act like defiant adolescents, well ... hope that's working real well for them.

Caylee really didn't have much of a chance aboard that ship of fools.

[Snoopy50]

George couldn't even get out of the courtroom without acting like an angry child.

When you get to your 50's and continue to choose to act like defiant adolescents, well ... hope that's working real well for them.

Caylee really didn't have much of a chance aboard that ship of fools.

No, she sure didn't. Had she been raised in that house of horrors as her mother had, there may well have been a repeat. Sad thought.:sad:

[seeing_eye]

Thanks, but I make my own.

And I was really surprised when I read that Inmate Anthony had a shrine to CAYLEE...

with black paper flowers?

I think that's an unsubstantiated rumor.

[Imperfect4]

Can someone tell me who joy wroy is? I missed something?

Another fame seeker, with mental or psychological issues, apparently.

She injected herself into searches, took pictures, has tried to maintain Caylee's body wasn't at the dump site when Equusearch was in town.

I haven't really kept track because she's just a big nobody in the case, imo. Surely the defense isn't planning to use her.

Then again ... :rolleyes:

[Sun]

I see that Cindy is sitting next to the National Today show leeches and NOT local leeches. Interesting

Really, do you know the fellow's name that Cindy was sitting next to? ...to her left.

[summer]

George couldn't even get out of the courtroom without acting like an angry child.

When you get to your 50's and continue to choose to act like defiant adolescents, well ... hope that's working real well for them.

Caylee really didn't have much of a chance aboard that ship of fools.

I still can't believe he stormed out of the courtroom in front of the judge like he was at home slamming a bedroom door. Like I said earlier, no impulse control. He can't help himself. He's developmentally about 4 years old. Well, maybe 3.

[really3997]

Really, do you know the fellow's name that Cindy was sitting next to? ...to her left.

I do not know his name but he is the producer for the Today show..

[Snoopy50]

I still can't believe he stormed out of the courtroom in front of the judge like he was at home slamming a bedroom door. Like I said earlier, no impulse control. He can't help himself. He's developmentally about 4 years old. Well, maybe 3.
I am rather glad he is no longer licensed to carry a firearm.:chicken:

[summer]

I do not know his name but he is the producer for the Today show..

Oh geez. We were speculating he was George's doctor earlier but that makes way more sense.

[Explorer]

Oh geez. We were speculating he was George's doctor earlier but that makes way more sense.

Yes we thought it was georges doctor.

[Explorer]

Why ws that guy there?

[sunstar]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2009-06/47589408.pdf

In the Forensics report it says on page 13 or 6563 that Compounds associated with anaerobic decomposition where found supporting an oxygen deprived decompositional event.

Does that mean that the body was oxygen deprived or that there was a lack of oxygen in the truck and the environment the event occured in was oxygen deprived?

It does sound like it means she was suffocated by the duct tape over her nose & mouth, but was it inside the car trunk or the bags? :shrug: MOO

[Sun]

I do not know his name but he is the producer for the Today show..

Earlier today everyone was asking who he was, and all I could remember was that I remember him being at several of the court hearings. I'm not even sure that he's missed a single one, but can't really say for certain. Producer for the Today Show.... might have to see if I can find out his name. Thanks so much for the clue!

[Grins]

We have free speech. Say what you will. You have the right and legal obligations. You may have moral obligations. That is for your personal consideration.

Some things I ponder:
=how would you feel if Caylee is in Heaven or some eternal state and is aware of all the things you are saying about Cindy and George?
You say you love her; would she see it that way?

=This board is about who murdered Caylee. Grandparents are not accused or on trial for that crime.

=All of their conduct relevant to the murder case is on topic. Other conduct is not.

=During all of Caylee's short life, the two people who took care of her, played with her, took her for rides through the neighborhood in a wagon and paid for her food, clothing and shelter were George and Cindy.

=Two of the people she loved most in her whole life were George and Cindy.

=Perhaps the person George and Cindy loved most in all the World was Caylee.

= She kept them together as a couple. There was joy in the marriage again in the form of a loved person who daily changed and charmed them with laughter and sweet child behavior.

=She was the most important aspect of their lives day to day. She healed a lot of wounds and gave new hope to two ordinary people with faults.

=That kind of love of child toward grandparents should be honored.

=That kind of love of grandparents for grandchild should be honored.

=It does not seem fitting or right or honorable to express glee at another's downfall.

=Caylee was about love. Let us honor her by acting with love.

May I ask that you think on these things from time to time.

[Pruddennce]

Why ws that guy there?

so he can showcase the psychopath cindy.....and witness her 'shaking'.....shaking with RAGE....

it was refreshing to hear someone PUT IT TO George Anthony about his/their media interviews that simply dont seem to cause them anguish.....

and if that was a media producer (I think Today Show has 3)...well, it deflated their plea....media media media, but its OUR media and only WE are allowed to talk about the case...

Cindy and her superior attitude and GA, all leashed up and only goes where Cindy tells him to go....and BC, with loon-itis.....

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[summer]

Why ws that guy there?

Maybe he took Cindy out for crab puffs aftah.

[summer4meplz]

I do not know his name but he is the producer for the Today show..

darn...I wish the media attorney had known that and could have asked george if they were sitting with the producer for the Today show....

[really3997]

Can someone tell me who joy wroy is? I missed something?

I like to call her the "I've got Beads" lady...

[Mamie]

so he can showcase the psychopath cindy.....and witness her 'shaking'.....shaking with RAGE....

it was refreshing to hear someone PUT IT TO George Anthony about his/their media interviews that simply dont seem to cause them anguish.....

and if that was a media producer (I think Today Show has 3)...well, it deflated their plea....media media media, but its OUR media and only WE are allowed to talk about the case...

Cindy and her superior attitude and GA, all leashed up and only goes where Cindy tells him to go....and BC, with loon-itis.....

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

I thought that trembling hand was a little over the top myself. JMO

[Lapis]

If any of our attorney friends are here this evening...

Can the defense team really hold up the trial?

And can an attorney over-rule the Grand Jury indictment or prove it wrong?

TIA

Just getting caught up and if someone else has answered I apologize for the repeat.

This is a death penalty case, as long as the defense is showing due diligence in conducting the discovery the court will not force them to trial. Do me a favor though, do not refer to this as holding the trial up. They have a job to do and they need to do it well to insure that the verdict is upheld. In addition to absorbing all the information you have read (and more you have not seen), they have depositions to conduct, experts to consult and motions to file and argue. All this takes time.

I am not sure I understand your second question. The standard for a grand jury to return an indictment is that a crime has been committed and it is more likely than not that the defendant committed it. Only the prosecution presents evidence and the rules of evidence do not apply. There is an old saying "the prosecution can get a ham sandwich indicted". The standard for an indictment is very low.

As I am sure you are aware, the standard in a criminal trial is beyond a reasonable doubt. This is a very high standard. Therefore, despite the indictment people have been found not guilty. If this is what you meant by overrule the indictment or proving it wrong then yes it can be done.

JMO

[myownopera]

Did anyone notice if Cindy did her famous hand signal today? Just wondering??

JMO

[PuffDragon]

We have free speech. Say what you will. You have the right and legal obligations. You may have moral obligations. That is for your personal consideration.

Some things I ponder:
=how would you feel if Caylee is in Heaven or some eternal state and is aware of all the things you are saying about Cindy and George?
You say you love her; would she see it that way?

=This board is about who murdered Caylee. Grandparents are not accused or on trial for that crime.

=All of their conduct relevant to the murder case is on topic. Other conduct is not.

=During all of Caylee's short life, the two people who took care of her, played with her, took her for rides through the neighborhood in a wagon and paid for her food, clothing and shelter were George and Cindy.

=Two of the people she loved most in her whole life were George and Cindy.

=Perhaps the person George and Cindy loved most in all the World was Caylee.

= She kept them together as a couple. There was joy in the marriage again in the form of a loved person who daily changed and charmed them with laughter and sweet child behavior.

=She was the most important aspect of their lives day to day. She healed a lot of wounds and gave new hope to two ordinary people with faults.

=That kind of love of child toward grandparents should be honored.

=That kind of love of grandparents for grandchild should be honored.

=It does not seem fitting or right or honorable to express glee at another's downfall.

=Caylee was about love. Let us honor her by acting with love.

May I ask that you think on these things from time to time.

Well said, Grins. Well said.

[KittyMom]

I still can't believe he stormed out of the courtroom in front of the judge like he was at home slamming a bedroom door. Like I said earlier, no impulse control. He can't help himself. He's developmentally about 4 years old. Well, maybe 3.

So, that child rearing book with the dog-eared pages on temper tantrums could've been Caylee's book for dealing with the adults in her life.

[msgatorslayer]

That's what it sounds like to me and probably why no fingerprints were found on the tape because she was holding the roll. MOO

I was watching Forensic Files a couple of nights ago. They had a case about duct tape and finger prints.

A man was tied to a chair with duct tape and tossed into a river, alive.

Almost a whole 60yd roll of tape was used to tie him. The tape was pieced together and every rip matched, etc. No fingerprints were found on it. But LE was missing a very small piece of the tape.

LE had a suspect. Two, actually, as they were Brothers. Their Mommy gave them an alibi.

Someone was fishing, IIRC, months later, and found some duct tape. LE tested it. The finger print of one of the Brother's was on it. IIRC, they were able to tell that it was a piece used to wrap an ankle.

In the commentary, one of the detectives said it was very rare for a finger print to be found on tape after it had been in the water for so long.

[MiamiNice1]

Just horrible Miami - I just can't catch up to you all today. I've had my own grandkids all day so I'm just going to spend tonight reading but from that link, this was interesting:

Meanwhile, the state has filed a motion requesting a picture of Casey Anthony's tattoo that reads "La Bella Vita." They will travel to the Orange County Jail to visit Anthony and photograph the tattoo.

Wonder why they're interested in her tattoo?

Just getting back, bchand....glad you had a lovely day with your grandkids! I've been catching up, too.

I was so sickened by the "suffocation" theory that the tattoo business slipped my mind. Is the tattoo that important? Are they planning to show this as (more) proof of OC's callousness? Sounds like they're going to a lot of trouble to get the pictures.