Friday, June 19, 2009 #1

[Imperfect4]

Butbutbutbutbutbut..... he was going to discuss it with *his* team and get back to the judge on that.

"Yeah, Judge, I missed my flight, but you can hold it in mid-air until I decide if I want to get on board. Please?"

Loser.

I'd like to hope he'll be just that version of Johnny Come Lately at the criminal trial, however, I'm sure someone else on the "team" will pick up his slack.

[EverMoth]

And, check this out:

"Adipocere starts to form within a month after death"

http://www.deathonline.net/decomposition/body_changes/grave_wax.htm

OMG! Just now got on and WHOA!!!! BIG NEWS!!

I'm trying to catch up here, but got to the "grave wax" part. If the paper towels taken from the trash in the trunk had grave wax on them, wouldn't this mean that Caylee had been dead for at least a month in the car before being dumped? :scared:

[coffee1950j]

Parents make terrible, painful mistakes every day. I don't get though what the Anthony's are supposed to have done to Casey to have made her kill her own child. Maybe you can explain it to me.

IMO, it's not so much what they DID to her, it's what they DIDN'T do. They never made her own up to any wrongdoing she was a part of. And, unfortunately, it's continuing now also, with the death of Caylee.

[Lavinia]

Now, cut him some slack. He's got depos to take about things that are unimportant, media appearances, etc. Oh, and toting coffee for LKB and checking the fax for AL.....

Loser.

I just can't cut any slack for that little weasel Spots. Sorry to let ya' down hon. I'll kiss a rattlesnake for you if it helps. :wub:

[summer]

The Anthonys are not the first people in the world who have a family member killed by another family member. And sadly they won't be the last.

They're not the only people who have suffered this kind of tragedy!!!!

I can't recall another time, ever, where a family has acted this way. I don't think we'll ever see this kind of behavior again either. It's just wacked.

[AnnieBell]

I'm curious, why? Because of their actions afterwards? What did they do to her before that was so damaging it would make her do this? She seemed perfectly rational out partying and whooping it up, covering her tracks all that time after .... so obviously they didn't drive her insane. How they're acting now imo can't really be an accurate prediction of how Casey was raised, because the situation they're in is just so abnormal. Nope, she owns it all. JMO

Why? Because of their actions after and before the child's death. These parents nurtured and supported the psycopathic narsassitic behavior. No they didn't drive her to insane, she was already there but they sure did feed it. Their situation is abnormal because they chose for it to be. By stating that Casey owns this act alone does this release any accountability from others who could have saved Caylee?

[kelloggirl]

Just finished reading the toxicology and forther testing on the car trunk items in this report. FINAL Forensic Report (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2009-06/47589408.pdf)

I admit that I was really skeptical about the choloroform evidence until I read this:

"Looking at the integrated areas under the peaks, the control carpet had approximately 10,270 area counts and the Florida trunk sample had approximately 386,200,000 area counts. 10ng of injected standard yielded an area count of approximately 8,240,000 indicating that the Florida trunk sample had an amount of chloroform present which was in the low parts per million range. Typical concentrations seen during human decompositional events of adults yields amounts in the low parts per trillion range.

...and...

Methanol extracts of the tire well scrapings showed many diverse compounds (Acetic acid, Octadecane, etc). Acetic acid (in an acid environment) and/or acetate ion (in an alkaline environment) are by-products of making chloroform with acetone and chlorine.

That trunk carpet was saturated with chloroform. IMO, Casey dumped chloroform all over the carpet, and put a duct taped Caylee in there, shut the trunk, and went on her merry way, IMO. Horrific.

[Imperfect4]

I know if I was in their shoes I'd run straight to the nearest hospital for meds because I couldn't handle it, so I won't presume to know what they were like raising Casey by judging their behaviour after learning their granddaughter was murdered by their own child. Cause and effect? It could go both ways.

They are who they are. Their character didn't change in the face of this nightmare. These are people in their 50's. Their characters were fixed and set decades ago. They are neither psychotic nor delusional, therefore, what we're seeing in their behavior today is simply an exaggeration of their behavior, normally.

[summer]

Just finished reading the toxicology and forther testing on the car trunk items in this report. FINAL Forensic Report (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2009-06/47589408.pdf)

I admit that I was really skeptical about the choloroform evidence until I read this:

"Looking at the integrated areas under the peaks, the control carpet had approximately 10,270 area counts and the Florida trunk sample had approximately 386,200,000 area counts. 10ng of injected standard yielded an area count of approximately 8,240,000 indicating that the Florida trunk sample had an amount of chloroform present which was in the low parts per million range. Typical concentrations seen during human decompositional events of adults yields amounts in the low parts per trillion range.

...and...

Methanol extracts of the tire well scrapings showed many diverse compounds (Acetic acid, Octadecane, etc). Acetic acid (in an acid environment) and/or acetate ion (in an alkaline environment) are by-products of making chloroform with acetone and chlorine.

That trunk carpet was saturated with chloroform. IMO, Casey dumped chloroform all over the carpet, and put a duct taped Caylee in there, shut the trunk, and went on her merry way, IMO. Horrific.

Wow. That hits me hard. I always felt she died in the trunk, although it's obviously just a feeling...

[Dunlurken]

The signs sure point that way to me.

Me too. sorry, just logging on for the day, but have been following the news as much as possible.

Did you guys already discuss the glitter and that statement "to small to be such trouble", or something like that? TIA

[True2Blues]

They may own part of it taking so long to get Casey arrested, I've never said otherwise. Part in Caylee's death? No. But I agree with another poster who said they will be blamed in court as they are here.

I don't blame the A's for the fact that Casey is a murderer. There's a kink in her make up somewhere. I do think they raised her to be the sociopath she is. I think they are sociopaths too. They raised her to believe she was entitled to do whatever she wanted, to have no sense of personal responsibility, and to be a liar.

I do blame them for obstructing justice, trying to derail an investigation, for pointing to innocent people and making unfounded accusations to take the heat off of Casey, for spewing vitriol at everyone, even people like Tim Miller, who came to help, and for throwing Caylee away again, so they could focus on their media careers and the person who I believe murdered Caylee in cold blood.

You can love your child and hate what they do. You can choose to believe everything they say, but to take part in obstruction and try to frame up innocent people? That's just going too far.

The way they act, I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised to learn that any, or all, of them helped dispose of the body after the fact.

[Imperfect4]

I could name you a dozen parents in ten seconds who didn't make their children accept responsibility when they should have. I can't name one of their children who's committed a crime. Fortunately, if the jury sees Casey as sane at the time and judges this case by the evidence, they'll place the blame where it belongs.

It was a perfect storm of terrible parenting and a terrible child. It is the parents' responsibility to take action with a terrible child. Casey gave them ample signals, signs and opportunity. They chose not to take it.

[farrahrani]

Is it also possible that Cindy or Casey panicked and tried to clean out the car with chloroform afterward? To possibly degrade or help remove smell of decomp evidence? After Cindy washed those shorts and refused to return the credit card statements I wouldn't put anything past her.

[summer]

Is it also possible that Cindy or Casey panicked and tried to clean out the car with chloroform afterward? To possibly degrade or help remove smell of decomp evidence? After Cindy washed those shorts and refused to return the credit card statements I wouldn't put anything past her.

I think that too. Both as a murder weapon and a cleanup.

[ttcRider]

OMG! Just now got on and WHOA!!!! BIG NEWS!!

I'm trying to catch up here, but got to the "grave wax" part. If the paper towels taken from the trash in the trunk had grave wax on them, wouldn't this mean that Caylee had been dead for at least a month in the car before being dumped? :scared:

On HLN they were saying that Caylee was in the truck for quite sometime before being put in the woods. I think this is all beginning to sound a lot like 'our' original theories. :crying: NG guests will be able to decifer it better for me I hope, I have a hard time understanding/reading the report.

[Lavinia]

An effort to what? She was fed, clothed, they obviously love her to the point they're making themselves look crazy defending her.

Feeding and clothing does not make a parent, IMO. WalMart can feed and clothe but I don't want them raising my baby. I think that's just it. They're making themselves crazy trying to defend the indefensible. They can very quietly let Casey know they love her but they don't love what she did. They need to just shut up. (I understand them now wanting to really fight since the DP is back on the table, but they were fighting justice when they thought she was going to get life. Do they really think she doesn't deserve life for what she did?)

[norwood]

Just finished reading the material released and sorry if this has been mentioned earlier as I didn't have time to read through all those posts to see, but this was the thing that jumped out at me in reading the autopsy stuff: In the section titled BONES pp. 3.

"A hair mat was noted on the base of the skull and grayish colored tape was noted COVERING THE MOUTH AND NASAL APERTURE AREAS."

Does that mean she wrapped not just Caylee's mouth with the duct tape, but also covered her nose so she couldn't breathe?

It means that to me. She did not just put a piece of duct tape over her mouth. She wrapped that child's head in it.

[denjet]

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/06/casey-anthony-georges-tears-dont-wash-in-court.html


WFTV's Kathi Belich zeroed in on a central irony in coverage of the case. "George Anthony got very, very emotional as he tried to convince the judge that releasing the autopsy report would hurt his family even more," she said. "But the emotion disappeared when he was asked by a media attorney how many times the Anthonys have appeared on national television."


More at the link

Thanks happy! Ya gotta love Kathi! She certainly has a way with words and getting right to the point! :thumbsup:

[margaritaville]

Wouldn't suffocation then be the likely cause of death? What a repulsive thing to do. Murder is one thing, but I would think that she would have to hate this child A LOT to tape her and watch her struggle and suffocate. Or, maybe she taped her and shut her in the trunk so she wouldn't have to watch her or do anything beyond that. Maybe she and TonE were shopping for movies while she suffocated and tried to free herself. OMG!


I believe she did hate "the little snot head" a lot..
I think Casey blamed everything (including having to steal money) on caylee...And then to top everything off her new boyfriend told her he wants kids someday, but only boys!!

I believe that Casey's grandma said it perfectly......
Casey hated Cindy more then she loved Caylee.....And what would hurt Cindy the most in life?? no more Caylee.....
After the big fight where Cindy wrapped her hands around Casey throat...IMHO Casey stormed into the house grabbed Caylee put her in the car drove off.....Caylee was probably crying so Casey took out the duct tape....Pissed at the world she wrapped it around her head a few times tossed her in the trunk.....
Rumor had it that Casey was seen at a parking lot for a hotel pacing back and forth talking on her cell phone (prob to Tone)
Not thinking twice about her baby dying in the trunk........

All my opinion!

[bchand]

On HLN they were saying that Caylee was in the truck for quite sometime before being put in the woods. I think this is all beginning to sound a lot like 'our' original theories. :crying: NG guests will be able to decifer it better for me I hope, I have a hard time understanding/reading the report.

Unfortunately I think it may be a canned show tonight. She tapes her Friday night shows sometimes and this one is supposed to be on Cindy. Maybe they'll cut it short since the autospy report is out?

I've had my own gkids all day and will not look at the report til they're gone but am enjoying reading all your comments.

[Dunlurken]

You can love your child and hate what they do. You can choose to believe everything they say, but to take part in obstruction and try to frame up innocent people? That's just going too far.





Snipped to address: Especially when it's your three old grand daughter that was murdered. JMO. And they have the gall to explode into tirades when someone mentions Caylee's name.

George: I haven't heard my grand daughter's voice in a long time. Don't talk to me about her. One conflicted dude.

JMO.

[summer]

Feeding and clothing does not make a parent, IMO. WalMart can feed and clothe but I don't want them raising my baby. I think that's just it. They're making themselves crazy trying to defend the indefensible. They can very quietly let Casey know they love her but they don't love what she did. They need to just shut up. (I understand them now wanting to really fight since the DP is back on the table, but they were fighting justice when they thought she was going to get life. Do they really think she doesn't deserve life for what she did?)

"Oh sweetheart, you don't have to get a job." Remember that from a jailhouse convo?

Nope. They don't think she deserves to be in jail at all. IMO. :wub:

(funny, I always feel like kissing Lavinia!)

[Dunlurken]

I am assuming that the Anthony's had already seen the autopsy reports. Am I assuming wrong?

[Unleashed]

I've seen GA's performance on HLN about 26 billion times today, and I am about to throw up.
How does the release of the autopsy report 'tarnish Caylee's memory' to the public?

Anybody?

[Buttoneyes]

I believe she did hate "the little snot head" a lot..
I think Casey blamed everything (including having to steal money) on caylee...And then to top everything off her new boyfriend told her he wants kids someday, but only boys!!

I believe that Casey's grandma said it perfectly......
Casey hated Cindy more then she loved Caylee.....And what would hurt Cindy the most in life?? no more Caylee.....
After the big fight where Cindy wrapped her hands around Casey throat...IMHO Casey stormed into the house grabbed Caylee put her in the car drove off.....Caylee was probably crying so Casey took out the duct tape....Pissed at the world she wrapped it around her head a few times tossed her in the trunk.....
Rumor had it that Casey was seen at a parking lot for a hotel pacing back and forth talking on her cell phone (prob to Tone)
Not thinking twice about her baby dying in the trunk........

All my opinion!

Unfortunately, what you surmise makes sense to me too. To not kill in a fit of white hot anger, but to wrap her head and let her suffocate is beyond hideous, beyond understanding, to do to any child, let alone your own.

[jammies]

So if there was a time delay before Casey removed the baby from the home wouldn't Cindy and especially George who stated that he was meticulous(sic) about his yard work have not noticied something like odor, disturbed grass or dirt. And where did the car sit after Casey threw Caylee into the swamp before it was towed? Would there have been an odor then?


See that's what I find so difficult to swallow. Teeny, tiny backyard and they don't NOTICE a freakin' GRAVE?? At the time they wouldn't have known Caylee was "missing" so I'm going to assume they went about their daily chores, lawn maintenance etc. How could they have MISSED a chunk of their yard dug up?

[Dunlurken]

The Anthony's aren't responsible for the death of Caylee. Furthermore, no one on this forum can say with any degree of certainty that the Anthony's did or didn't, could have and didn't do anything which would have prevented this tragedy, as we have only seen a small window into their lives. We don't know if Cindy had sought help for Casey as she grew up. Perhaps their private insurance didn't cover mental health issues, and she wasn't qualified for state assistance due to Cindy's income. The only thing the Anthony's did wrong was to provide a warm and loving home for Caylee and Casey. What else could they have done? NOTHING.

IMO..OF COURSE
They could have called LE before 31 days passed. They could have met this Zanny the Nanny if they doubted Casey's credibility. They could have done lots. Like Insisted that Caylee be at home in her own bed every night, not sleeping at every Tom, Dick and Harry's house. JMO.

[ttcRider]

Unfortunately I think it may be a canned show tonight. She tapes her Friday night shows sometimes and this one is supposed to be on Cindy. Maybe they'll cut it short since the autospy report is out?

I've had my own gkids all day and will not look at the report til they're gone but am enjoying reading all your comments.

HLN said that NG would be covering it tonight (may not be NG herself but a guest). I think that the Cindy Show was just filler and now that this is out they will have something to cover.

[Lavinia]

"Oh sweetheart, you don't have to get a job." Remember that from a jailhouse convo?

Nope. They don't think she deserves to be in jail at all. IMO. :wub:

(funny, I always feel like kissing Lavinia!)

Hubba Hubba, Momma! :loveeyes:

(Yes, it's krap like that about the job. And Casey's "the boss" :rolleyes:. That kind of krap in the face of what's going on here, makes a monster, IMO.)

[True2Blues]

The Anthony's aren't responsible for the death of Caylee. Furthermore, no one on this forum can say with any degree of certainty that the Anthony's did or didn't, could have and didn't do anything which would have prevented this tragedy, as we have only seen a small window into their lives. We don't know if Cindy had sought help for Casey as she grew up. Perhaps their private insurance didn't cover mental health issues, and she wasn't qualified for state assistance due to Cindy's income. The only thing the Anthony's did wrong was to provide a warm and loving home for Caylee and Casey. What else could they have done? NOTHING.

IMO..OF COURSE

Actually, if no one can say anything about what went on inside the Anthony home with certainty, that includes claiming that it was a warm and loving home. If we don't know, neither do you.

Besides, we are stating what our opinions are, and we can all do that. Whether we think the home was loving or not.

[Lavinia]

And you know what their parenting was like ...... how?

Because of how they're reacting now? Do you really believe they thought she was capable of this?

On the surface I would agree with you, then I hear the folks who discuss the paver issue and have to agree with them. I wouldn't look under my pavers if anything in my house went missing, especially a human. Makes me HAVE to wonder.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

The Anthony's aren't responsible for the death of Caylee. Furthermore, no one on this forum can say with any degree of certainty that the Anthony's did or didn't, could have and didn't do anything which would have prevented this tragedy, as we have only seen a small window into their lives. We don't know if Cindy had sought help for Casey as she grew up. Perhaps their private insurance didn't cover mental health issues, and she wasn't qualified for state assistance due to Cindy's income. The only thing the Anthony's did wrong was to provide a warm and loving home for Caylee and Casey. What else could they have done? NOTHING.

IMO..OF COURSE

I for one in agreement with you when you mention the "Anthony's" are not responsible for Caylee's death...however, they are responsible for their behavior since Caylee went missing..and I do think it is those antics that many are reacting to...

You can call it denial..but IMO they have gone far beyond just denial..but have actually attempted to obstruct to a significant degree..enough for so many to feel contempt for these grieving grandparents..

If one looks back on this past year..I dont believe anyone would condone their behavior...Sure,.. go out and promote searches..but thats not what they did..they attempted to condemn searches if they were looking for a Dead Caylee??? (Equasearchers) Now, that is not acceptable...Find her..dead or alive...should be the goal???IMO

Well, they did find Caylee just down the street from their home...Humming..and it seems they were even suspicious of that too ( sending own investigators to search)..Why did they attempt to deceive the public and LE who were only trying to find wee Caylee??? I'm sorry, Cindy and George have created alot of animosity towards them by their behaviors..no outsiders did that..they did that to themselves!!

LMS

[Imperfect4]

And you know what their parenting was like ...... how?

Because of how they're reacting now? Do you really believe they thought she was capable of this?

These people have weak characters, and no apparent moral compass. I've never met a person of bad character, lacking in morality, who made a good parent.

I don't think they expected her to do what she's accused of. I think they had ample evidence she was capable of terrible things. And again, they chose to enable and cover, rather than to at least make an effort to deal productively with the problem.

[bchand]

HLN said that NG would be covering it tonight (may not be NG herself but a guest). I think that the Cindy Show was just filler and now that this is out they will have something to cover.

ty ttc, that's great news.

[*MoonRider*]

The Anthonys are not the first people in the world who have a family member killed by another family member. And sadly they won't be the last.

They're not the only people who have suffered this kind of tragedy!!!!

I can't recall another time, ever, where a family has acted this way. I don't think we'll ever see this kind of behavior again either. It's just wacked.

They are special don't you know :wink: Caylee's tragedy has been very profitable for them. They don't have to work, dine at the Ritz and ride limos. I think the whole motion to delay the autopsy results were so they would be able to get more donations on the media blitz on Tuesday. Timing is everything you know. jmo

[Lavinia]

Oh I know what makes and doesn't make a parent, but unless Casey was abused to the point of insanity which obviously she wasn't ..... they don't deserve to be blamed for Caylee's death. As someone said to me earlier ...... 'unbelievable'.

Oh, I don't blame them for her DEATH, rhiannon. I just think they have handled this so horribly and I can't believe anymore that it's from any new emotion they have had since Caylee's death. I just don't think the A's are "good" people. I don't wish this on them by any means. I don't think they acted out of malice before Caylee's death, but I don't think they can run something this far in the ditch so bad and have been particularly successful in any other sphere of their daily lives.

Cindy was OBVIOUSLY overbearing and manipulative before Caylee's death. Way much so. Does that usually equal a dead grandchild? No. and on that I agree. It doesn't make her an innocent either though especially with her "follow through" on this.

[Unleashed]

I just can't cut any slack for that little weasel Spots. Sorry to let ya' down hon. I'll kiss a rattlesnake for you if it helps. :wub:

Y'all just leave Lenny out of this, Lavinia!
He's mine. :drool: :wub:

JMO

[Eagleeye]

I am assuming that the Anthony's had already seen the autopsy reports. Am I assuming wrong?

Probably not. It was just another way for them to get some face time in the Media they hate so much.

[msgatorslayer]

Evening, all.

This thread is past its limit so I started a new one. It can be found here.

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=355117

[DebinNv]

Still trying to catch up... Just a question here, and sorry if this has been asked already, but I didn't read anything in the reports about the heart sticker. Does anybody know anything about it?

Thanks,

[Lavinia]

Yeah ....... lots of things make me wonder too about how murderers sometimes get away with it. But not to the point I'd ever blame their parents because of how they've reacted. If they're to blame, I'd have thought they'd have been charged, too. Apparently not.

I don't think the A's are guilty of murder. I DON'T like them or how they've handled this. I know you can't know what you would do in another's shoes, but their handling of this is exactly why this gets so much news. It's bizarre and unlike any other crime family's reaction we've ever seen. That's what's keeping it in the news and conversation. Behavior like their has never been seen before. There is a reason for that, IMO.

[Sun]

At the end of th ehearing Baez tried to get a stay saying his client was interested in staying it....he never until that moment was a part of with holding the autopsy report.
I think he tried to do that without her being required to appear.
He never filed before hand.
the judge rightly said NO!

One thing that came out today in Court. The State "is conversating" with Baez at times in regards to this case as they should be. However, the State is NOT knuckling over to Baez's bullying ways. I applaud Linda Duane Burdick for doing a great job ....and her job must be a tough one at times. Can you believe how Dr. G would feel if Baez was allowed to cross out parts of her report? Unreal!

[*MoonRider*]

I won't judge how she was before by her 'follow through' because I have no idea what she must be feeling having lost her granddaughter, and possibly soon her daughter. I said Casey owns this crime, you said her parents are right there leasing it. So yes, you were blaming them.
I'm not blaming them for the death, but I sure do blame them for the coverup. Lying is a criminal offense and I hope they charge them when the trial is over. I blame them for living off of Caylee's blood. What other murder victims family do you know who don't have to work? tia

[desmom]

Did anyone listen to the interview JB gave after the hearing?
He was very nasty to Kathi B. of ABC news

Jose thinks his little come backs to Kathi are cute. :rolleyes:

IMO, it is another example of JB's immaturity and lack of professionalism.

[True2Blues]

One thing that came out today in Court. The State "is conversating" with Baez at times in regards to this case as they should be. However, the State is NOT knuckling over to Baez's bullying ways. I applaud Linda Duane Burdick for doing a great job ....and her job must be a tough one at times. Can you believe how Dr. G would feel if Baez was allowed to cross out parts of her report? Unreal!

I imagine it takes a great deal of patience for the Prosecutors to deal with Baez.

[101Spots]

I just can't cut any slack for that little weasel Spots. Sorry to let ya' down hon. I'll kiss a rattlesnake for you if it helps. :wub:

OMG! :scared: Keep your tongue to yourself! Mine was firmly planted in my cheek. :biggrin:

Except for the Loser part.......

[kjt200]

On days like today, when the Anthony's show such visible anger to the world, I wonder if they ever pause for a moment and wonder who they should be truly angry with? I wonder if they go back to that little sad house on HopeSpring Dr and hear faint echoes of a little girl's laughter and look in the mirror and place some of the blame on themselves. I wonder if they wish they could turn the clock back and make Casey accountable for all of the lies she told them before she hit them with the biggest lie of all. I wonder if they wonder if they will ever again find peace in their lives. I wonder if they will ever be able to put the blame for Caylee not being with them where the blame belongs.

JMO

Alas I think the answer is no. I think they return to that little house and Cindy throws a fit, George acts up and then backs down again, they surround themselves with the few people who enable them and wallow in their entitlement, victimhood and anger. They were not happy people or content people before..................I don't think they ever will be no matter who this plays out.

[Lavinia]

I won't judge how she was before by her 'follow through' because I have no idea what she must be feeling having lost her granddaughter, and possibly soon her daughter. I said Casey owns this crime, you said her parents are right there leasing it. So yes, you were blaming them.

Let me put it this way I guess. I blame them partially for who she is. Do I think they had malice in the way they raised her? NO. Do I think they had any idea that what they did put Caylee in any kind of danger? Absolutely not. But Casey did not become the way she was in a vacuum, IMO. I would cut them a heck of a lot more slack if I EVER saw a positive action on their part but I haven't heard of anything as of yet. There was *talk* about getting custody of Caylee when they realized Casey was, as Cindy put it, "a sociopath", but it was deemed to be too expensive, IIRC. I don't know. If they started behaving with integrity and honor any time in the future, I could forgive some past mistakes, but these guys don't seem to learn from mistakes. MOO.

[Eli]

Hi Can someone help me out….just got in..and I heard that there were no drugs found in Caylees autopsy, however having followed this case intensly from the beginning , I seem to remember more than one forensic specialists stated on NG’s show and others that if cholorform or other drugs were used, it would be likely that there wouldn’t be any trace of them because of the time that had passed and the decompensation of the body. I got a little mad because I keep hearing the news reporters on tv saying Caylee didn’t die from chloroform. I saw Dr. Baden speaking and saying yes she probably didn’t die from drugs. Hey Dr. Baden, She could have died from chloroform and If what I am saying is true then Dr. Baden knows this and he never said anything on the news. The reporters clearly were novices and did not have some good questions for him. Maybe it cant be proved that it happened but this finding does not mean chloroform wasn’t used. I don’t think news media should use Dr. Baden when it involves this case, as his wife is an attorney on this case. This is a conflict of interest…
does anyone remember??

Jmo

[Lavinia]

Y'all just leave Lenny out of this, Lavinia!
He's mine. :drool: :wub:

JMO

Sold! :laugh:

[Explorer]

Jose thinks his little come backs to Kathi are cute. :rolleyes:

IMO, it is another example of JB's immaturity and lack of professionalism.

Il bet jose was beside himself.

[boo]

Oh I know what makes and doesn't make a parent, but unless Casey was abused to the point of insanity which obviously she wasn't ..... they don't deserve to be blamed for Caylee's death. As someone said to me earlier ...... 'unbelievable'.

You don't think at the very least there was emotional abuse going on in that house, based on what we've seen of them so far?

I know, I know, that doesn't make them guilty of killing Caylee, but even I have to draw the line at that "warm and loving home" carp and I'm pretty liberal.

[Sun]

I'd only seen him the one time before, maybe a local courtroom lookie-loo, we have some here in my town.

That fellow doesn't seem to me like he has any association with the Anthonys. I've never seen him taking notes, such as a reporter/media. His dress to me doesn't see like an attorney type, as at times it's rather average to less than average for courtroom attire.

Someday, maybe we'll find out who he is, or what he does. ...it's fun trying anyways!

[desmom]

Msgatorslayer started a new evening thread

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=355117

All Aboard! :chicken:

[margaritaville]

Is it also possible that Cindy or Casey panicked and tried to clean out the car with chloroform afterward? To possibly degrade or help remove smell of decomp evidence? After Cindy washed those shorts and refused to return the credit card statements I wouldn't put anything past her.


do you know how time consuming it is to make chloroform?
To use as a cleaning detergent? We are talking pool shock and acetone..

Why not take a gallon of gas and dump it inside?? much easier....

It would have killed the smell....

I had one dump over and probably spilled a cup worth in the back of my Ford explorer and i couldn't drive the car for a couple of days but it eventually evaporated and now i can't smell it at all.....

[Sandy001]

I noticed that too. Hyoid ....and I imagine that this was one that they were really hoping to find. That could explain why they put in a huge number of hours searching.I think I read somewhere that the hylodi bone in children is much different than in adults and strangulation might not affect it.

[margaritaville]

See that's what I find so difficult to swallow. Teeny, tiny backyard and they don't NOTICE a freakin' GRAVE?? At the time they wouldn't have known Caylee was "missing" so I'm going to assume they went about their daily chores, lawn maintenance etc. How could they have MISSED a chunk of their yard dug up?


Because it was under the playhouse or under the sand in the sandbox..With the lid on.......

MOO

[101Spots]

Il bet jose was beside himself.

:scared: There's *TWO* of them?

[jammies]

I could name you a dozen parents in ten seconds who didn't make their children accept responsibility when they should have. I can't name one of their children who's committed a crime. Fortunately, if the jury sees Casey as sane at the time and judges this case by the evidence, they'll place the blame where it belongs.



I can name PLENTY. In fact, it's a regular discussion around our house because we saw it coming.

In the A's case it's not simply "accepting responsibility", it's covering it up and pretending nothing is wrong.
Go back to the beginning of this case and read up. Just the bs they spew about Caylee's bio father is enough to make your head spin.

Her parents are liars that see nothing wrong with Casey lying because THAT is how their family rolls.

I call that BAD parenting. Call me crazy.:rolleyes:

[Kathlb]

Parents make terrible, painful mistakes every day. I don't get though what the Anthony's are supposed to have done to Casey to have made her kill her own child. Maybe you can explain it to me.

Rhi, they pampered her while she was growing up and instead should have installed basic morals and responsibility for your actions as well as caring for others. They didn't do that. She got into trouble in various ways and got so bad Cindy told more than one of Casey's friends that she is a sociopath and they should stay away from her. When she got pregnant, they lied to the point of ridiculous levels when she was 7 months pregnant and showing big. More covering. She stole from all of them for years and was a compulsive liar, they still covered for her. While all of these things don't necessarily lead to her murdering her child, her temper tantrums and getting away with anything she wanted found a sick spot or spots in her mind and led her to get rid of Caylee...I think to spite Cindy after she had a physical fight with her and had Cindy's hands around her neck choking her. She left in a rage that night (MHO) and took the one thing that meant anything to anyone and killed it in spite and a grown up temper tantrum. It takes a sick person to do that and in my opinion, they are all sick mentally in that family with no feelings for anyone but themselves.

I truly think also that there is much more to this story that could come out at trial. More horrible things that involve Cindy and George. And they know it and that's why they are still covering for her. So that she won't unload on them. Remember when they visited her and she told her mother, "don't worry, I didn't say anything." I think Casey is going to throw them under the bus and that's why she won't see them and why she won't look at them anymore during the hearings. This whole family is sick and it ended in that baby's murder. Cindy and George have just as much guilt as if they had torn the tape off the roll and handed it to Casey piece by piece. JMHO

[Explorer]

:scared: There's *TWO* of them?

Thats funny. It took me a few minuites to get that one:biggrin:

[My Gal Sal]

And you know what their parenting was like ...... how?

Because of how they're reacting now? Do you really believe they thought she was capable of this?

Not only do I believe they (the Ant's) thought she was capable of murder, I also believe they were complicite and could have easily done the deed themselves. Their actions are just too suspicious to me.:cursing:

My Opinion Only

[Citygirl]

Now since we know she was wearing the same shorts she had on that day at the nursing home..I am now certain she died that night..Father's Day night..

I think when Caylee and Cindy got home that's when the chit hit the fan about great grammie's money..maybe someone changed Caylee's shirt but not the shorts..

Casey got so mad at Cindy..Cindy got so mad at Casey she was choking her so Casey grabbed up Caylee and hit the road..

George never saw either one the next day and he sure didn't eat breakfast with Caylee. I think Caylee was dead before morning..

Casey only returned later when mom and dad were not at home and got blanket and bags and canvas laundry bag.

Casey should pay for this with her life..

[happygert]

And you know what their parenting was like ...... how?

Because of how they're reacting now? Do you really believe they thought she was capable of this?

c and g did NOTHING to PROTECT CAYLEE.. NOTHING.. they knew their daughter was and unfit mother.. c made casey keep Caylee when casey made it clear she did not want Caylee.. What made c think just because she made casey keep her that casey was going to LOVE her?
WHY didn't c take custody of Caylee.. Why didnt c and g protect Caylee from the monster they created.. c & g cleaned mess after mess of casey's up.. What consequences did casey ever have for her actions? NONE.. Yes I'd say they knew very well what their daughter was capable of.. Now they go into court and ask that the autopsy be sealed for who are they asking that for? Caylee no.. it's, because of the one they are trying to still protect their own murdering ,lying, stealing , bed hopping daughter.. Has nothing to do with protecting Caylee.. they never did PROTECT her ever!
Caylee is dead she dont need protecting.. It's a little too late g and c..

remember bc saying to judge if this come out it could jeopardize casey getting a fair trial..... OK bc did you forget this was suppose to be about Caylee..NOPE this little charade today was never about Caylee it was all about casey...

[BobbysGirl]

I recall not too long ago, a member of the defense team whining that they had not yet received the Autopsy Report for Caylee. Do you suppose that they are now regretting this? They had to have known that if and when it was released to them, it would also become a public record.

I just don't understand what Baez did there at the end of the hearing today. Just don't understand what is between his ears. Just don't understand it at all.... and don't think that I want to, either. LOL

Very busy today, trying to catch up. So far behind.

I have no idea what or who Baez is. Why does he wait till last minute day before to file his stuff and then have the gall to ask the Judge for 24 or whatever extension. IMO he is a lacky. His tactics are unethical and ignorant.

I wish to Heck he would just give it up. He has no business trying to practice law. No matter what he may or may not think, his days are numbered.

He will be put on back burner when trial does come about. His cr*** on Casey is obvious. IMHO

Superstar, he will not become.

I was disgusted w/what I learned today. And for G & C, well they can stomp, whine, moan, sniff and jump all over. I hope they will not be on the media network soon. Time for them to save face. NOT, passing out bears. Who would want them?

Geese, I got sick earlier reading about darling little Caylee. The A family has no class.

Prolly George will go back home and cry: "Poor me, Poor me, another beer" Then hit the media. IMOO

I am rambling. I am just plain disgusted with the Lot of them.

BG

[Citygirl]

Just a loving reminder sweet posters..ignore those that make you mad..put them on ignore or just scroll on by..don't get band for the weekend..:wub:

[boo]

I never mentioned warm and loving, I have no idea how Casey was raised or if she was emotionally abused based on their reactions in such a horrible situation. I said they obviously loved their daughter to the point they're making themselves look crazy ...... just like others here are saying. Maybe you were reading someone else's post.

I am guilty of responding to different posters at once and I did co-mingle my response. Sorry. I'm too rushed to articulate what I'm trying to say and there are so many other smartypants' around here doing a far better job than I.

Carry on. :smile:

[Explorer]

Im dying to know who was sitting with the anthonys in court. Who was he and why was he there?

[Kathlb]

I agree, she's going to throw them under a bus. But IMO, living and trying to deal with a sociopath, especially as a parent, would be about as easy as swimming the Atlantic. But if they'd thought for one second she was capable of doing this, I have no doubt they'd have prevented it. They aren't to blame, no matter how bad everyone seems to know they were as parents. IMO

Well, we'll just have to agree to disagree on the last point. :-) And that's what makes this a good forum.

[Daffodil]

See that's what I find so difficult to swallow. Teeny, tiny backyard and they don't NOTICE a freakin' GRAVE?? At the time they wouldn't have known Caylee was "missing" so I'm going to assume they went about their daily chores, lawn maintenance etc. How could they have MISSED a chunk of their yard dug up?



They didn't miss anything. They know all the particulars about everything. Remember, they were working in their yard all week of Cindy's vacation. Oh yeah, she also took Caylee shopping........to Publix. Why do you think they redid their yard?

Now, I am wondering if she wasn't bureid there and all the A's knew it and then thought better about it. That could be why they put pavers down and disturbed dirt near that bush!!!

[Daffodil]

He sounds like a moron in any language...imo...how much worse can he get? I wouldn't say jack squat to Kathi Belich if I couldn't back it up - and Casey thinks she is gonna walk with this genius at the helm? They deserve each other.



Yes, what a FOOL JB is. It appears to just be a game to him. Ha, ha, Kathy, I've got something on you!!!

He clearly does not have Casey's best intersts in mind.

I think maybe he is just trying to get his name out in the Latino population.

[tmw]

Im dying to know who was sitting with the anthonys in court. Who was he and why was he there?

Didn't someone earlier say that they thought he was the one that appeared after George's "pizza and Beer" night???

[happygert]

Not only do I believe they (the Ant's) thought she was capable of murder, I also believe they were complicite and could have easily done the deed themselves. Their actions are just too suspicious to me.:cursing:

My Opinion Only

I agree on they knew exactly what casey was capable of.. I also believe cindy knew how long it would take Caylee to completey decompsose.. Is that's why cindy gave her the 30 days?

[BobbysGirl]

Yes, what a FOOL JB is. It appears to just be a game to him. Ha, ha, Kathy, I've got something on you!!!

He clearly does not have Casey's best intersts in mind.

I think maybe he is just trying to get his name out in the Latino population.

In due respect to your last op, he his barking up the wrong tree. And, IA, his interests are what he can get, and it won't be much. IMO

[Kat4Eagles]

On days like today, when the Anthony's show such visible anger to the world, I wonder if they ever pause for a moment and wonder who they should be truly angry with? I wonder if they go back to that little sad house on HopeSpring Dr and hear faint echoes of a little girl's laughter and look in the mirror and place some of the blame on themselves. I wonder if they wish they could turn the clock back and make Casey accountable for all of the lies she told them before she hit them with the biggest lie of all. I wonder if they wonder if they will ever again find peace in their lives. I wonder if they will ever be able to put the blame for Caylee not being with them where the blame belongs.

JMO

This is a very good post, Cassidy, and I think I could understand the Anthony's better, if they did show signs of anger against Casey, instead of blindly protecting her .

They can not possibly think that she will walk away from these charges.

But, I wonder why they can not accept that this is where this is heading and that Casey will someday reside on Death Row?
Would it make them seem like failures as parents?
Would it make them feel guilty for not protecting Caylee?

I don't understand their reasoning and thought process, either.
And, when she is convicted, they will still believe in her innocence.
How about just being angry with Casey for not reporting Caylee missing for a month?

Kat

[Explorer]

Didn't someone earlier say that they thought he was the one that appeared after George's "pizza and Beer" night???

So in other words thats georges doctor. Did he think all he needed was a note from his doctor?:confused:

[BobbysGirl]

This is a very good post, Cassidy, and I think I could understand the Anthony's better, if they did show signs of anger against Casey, instead of blindly protecting her .

They can not possibly think that she will walk away from these charges.

But, I wonder why they can not accept that this is where this is heading and that Casey will someday reside on Death Row?
Would it make them seem like failures as parents?
Would it make them feel guilty for not protecting Caylee?

I don't understand their reasoning and thought process, either.
And, when she is convicted, they will still believe in her innocence.
How about just being angry with Casey for not reporting Caylee missing for a month?

Kat

Hi Kat, may I interject on this post?

I wonder at times, deep down, that the A's know what happened to Caylee (mybe not in the beginning) and by who. Her mother. I wonder, with all these lawyers and various dream teams the A"s are all in cahoots and delaying the inevitable. Just a thought. Hard press is not going to get Casey off, nor the public. IMO They darn sure are trying.

BG

[101Spots]

Im dying to know who was sitting with the anthonys in court. Who was he and why was he there?

You could email Kathi Belich. She'd likely know who he is.

Sorry, I don't know her email.

[Scampi]

Just finished reading the toxicology and forther testing on the car trunk items in this report. FINAL Forensic Report (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2009-06/47589408.pdf)

I admit that I was really skeptical about the choloroform evidence until I read this:

"Looking at the integrated areas under the peaks, the control carpet had approximately 10,270 area counts and the Florida trunk sample had approximately 386,200,000 area counts. 10ng of injected standard yielded an area count of approximately 8,240,000 indicating that the Florida trunk sample had an amount of chloroform present which was in the low parts per million range. Typical concentrations seen during human decompositional events of adults yields amounts in the low parts per trillion range.

...and...

Methanol extracts of the tire well scrapings showed many diverse compounds (Acetic acid, Octadecane, etc). Acetic acid (in an acid environment) and/or acetate ion (in an alkaline environment) are by-products of making chloroform with acetone and chlorine.

That trunk carpet was saturated with chloroform. IMO, Casey dumped chloroform all over the carpet, and put a duct taped Caylee in there, shut the trunk, and went on her merry way, IMO. Horrific.

This is grotesque. There is absolutely no explaining this away, imo. Now we know exactly why the State put the death penalty back on for this odious babykiller. :mad:

[Elle]

I didn't know them before, neither do you. Horrific situations change people, sometimes forever. You can't possibly absolutely know how Casey was raised and blame them for it by what you're seeing from them now.

Where Caylee's murder is concerned, I hold Casey soley responsible. I often wonder if part of their reaction is not only from raising a daughter who has a sociopathic profile, but also in a sense being raised by a daughter with a sociopathic profile. I believe in personal responsibility and accountability, and I hold George responsible for his own actions, Cindy for hers.

I do not know their life before this save for what I have heard or read, though I do know there was discussion about Cindy and George getting custody of Caylee, so that in itself tells me they knew at the very least that Casey was not the mother they portrayed her to be to the public, and just the fact that the first thing upon smelling the car that George thought of was Caylee being in the trunk, dead. Now I know they had not seen her in a month, but by all accounts from Casey, she was fine. It is one thing to think your daughter is witholding your grandaughter and lying about their whereabouts, quite another to think your daughter has been lying about about your grandaughter being alive. To even entertain this thought, IMO, he had to know Casey was feared capable of alot more than lying.

As I stated, I do not hold them responsible for Casey's actions, but they had an obligation to Caylee, and I believe they turned a blind eye.

MOO

[CRRJJ]

I think the still shots from today's extravaganza will be some of the best yet.

Cindy stared at the floor almost the entire hearing, shaking her head back and forth. Ugh.

GROW UP.

But right after the judge gave his verdict she did manage to turn her head to the left---where the camera happened to be. She just never gives up her theatrics. Doesn't phase me one bit.

[Dianna]

Hi Kat, may I interject on this post?

I wonder at times, deep down, that the A's know what happened to Caylee (mybe not in the beginning) and by who. Her mother. I wonder, with all these lawyers and various dream teams the A"s are all in cahoots and delaying the inevitable. Just a thought. Hard press is not going to get Casey off, nor the public. IMO They darn sure are trying.

BG

I think she down deep knows Casey is capable of what she did. IF I was her mother and all the evidence and occurrences happened the way they did and what has taken place since Caylee went with Casey that night, I would have a very difficult time trying to believe she didn't commit this horrific murder.
They have been in enough fights and who know if Casey has taken several serious swings at Cindy or has done something worse. Pulling a knife from the kitchen on her or maybe trying to choke her while she was sleeping. All I'm saying is we don't know what really went on behind their closed doors at the Anthony's house.
The neighbors have said they have heard numerous fights and screaming over there throughout the years. In addition, The Anthony's have had the police there numerous times for disturbances.
Casey has completely shut down with her own mother, father, brother and everyone else that comes around her. This (in my opinion) is because she is unable to speak the truth. She's been lying all her life and that is all she knows is fantasy vs. fiction. The Anthony's should clearly know this by now if they had not already.:huh:
JMO

[Citygirl]

So in other words thats georges doctor. Did he think all he needed was a note from his doctor?:confused:


If that's so..he sure is tacky lookin to be a doctor..he is kinda pitiful lookin I think..

[newsjunkie]

Hi Can someone help me out….just got in..and I heard that there were no drugs found in Caylees autopsy, however having followed this case intensly from the beginning , I seem to remember more than one forensic specialists stated on NG’s show and others that if cholorform or other drugs were used, it would be likely that there wouldn’t be any trace of them because of the time that had passed and the decompensation of the body. I got a little mad because I keep hearing the news reporters on tv saying Caylee didn’t die from chloroform. I saw Dr. Baden speaking and saying yes she probably didn’t die from drugs. Hey Dr. Baden, She could have died from chloroform and If what I am saying is true then Dr. Baden knows this and he never said anything on the news. The reporters clearly were novices and did not have some good questions for him. Maybe it cant be proved that it happened but this finding does not mean chloroform wasn’t used. I don’t think news media should use Dr. Baden when it involves this case, as his wife is an attorney on this case. This is a conflict of interest…
does anyone remember??

Jmo


When asked about a "conflict of interest " in the Spector 1 trial Baden claimed to not understand what that was. All respect I may have had for Dr B flew out the window at that point. It was a pathetic sight.

[Explorer]

If that's so..he sure is tacky lookin to be a doctor..he is kinda pitiful lookin I think..

So did they think that that guy was going to get up there and say Your honor if you release the autopsy results George will try to kill himself again.:blink:

[Snoopy50]

There are lots of bad parents. I've seen much worse than the Anthony's and their children haven't turned into murderers, especially of their own. Unless Casey was an abused child all her life, locked up in a dark closet, not fed properly .... something that could cause a breakdown with reality .....which so far I haven't seen evidence of. Sorry, but I believe Casey owns this, not her parents.

I have no doubt that the rest of us disagree emphatically. The anthony's are poster parents on how NOT to raise children.

[Kat4Eagles]

Hi Kat, may I interject on this post?

I wonder at times, deep down, that the A's know what happened to Caylee (mybe not in the beginning) and by who. Her mother. I wonder, with all these lawyers and various dream teams the A"s are all in cahoots and delaying the inevitable. Just a thought. Hard press is not going to get Casey off, nor the public. IMO They darn sure are trying.

BG

Hi BG....!!

Sure, interject away!!

I agree, and it seems like everything the Anthony's are doing is wrong and backfiring.
Instead, of appearing as sympathetic and grieving, they are coming across as defensive or looking like they have something to hide.

It is hard not to feel sorry for them, of course.....
I certainly don't think they asked for this, but they are not dealing with it in a way that people can relate to.
I think the day will have to come when one of them will have to admit to at least the possibility of Casey being involved.

JMO
Kat

[newsjunkie]

Casey was an adult. Insisting that she be home would have and probably was fruitless.


She wasn't paying her way, so she should have had to abide by the house rules. ooooooops sorry, this is the Anthony family! If they had been functional to begin with it would never have been an issue.

[Citygirl]

So did they think that that guy was going to get up there and say Your honor if you release the autopsy results George will try to kill himself again.:blink:


Who knows what these people are thinkin..it's beyond me for sure..
they may have thought WE would recognize that they had Georges doctor there..just in case he went stupid during court..
I still can't imagine this is a real doctor.

[AnnieBell]

They chose the situation? OMG. No. They didn't choose this any more than any grandparent would. If they get enough people willing to blame her sick, twisted actions on her parents ..... maybe it will help her out. How funny that I was the one accused of being the defense's dream here.

So G&C had no control, no voice in the environment the entire family functioned in? I would hope other grandparents would have done whatever was needed to make sure their grandchild was in a safe and loved environment. Let me clear up this confusion you have interpreting who I think is responsible..OK ready? Casey is absolutely guilty of performing the physical act of murdering her own child. George and Cindy are equally guilty because they FAILED to protect their grandchild from this monster of a mother. Just because the person didn't pull the trigger releases it releases them from any guilt? NOT!

[Citygirl]

Hi BG....!!

Sure, interject away!!

I agree, and it seems like everything the Anthony's are doing is wrong and backfiring.
Instead, of appearing as sympathetic and grieving, they are coming across as defensive or looking like they have something to hide.

It is hard not to feel sorry for them, of course.....
I certainly don't think they asked for this, but they are not dealing with it in a way that people can relate to.
I think the day will have to come when one of them will have to admit to at least the possibility of Casey being involved.

JMO
Kat


You are far more generous than I, Kat..I felt bad for them about a day and a half..then..not so much..now? I don't have any use for them at all..I think they are milking the death of their beautiful grand daughter for all it's worth..that's about as low as you can go..without being a murderer in my book.

[denjet]

I believe that was created by steffaroob, a poster here who hasn't been seen in awhile.

You out there, steff?
Hi Imp, found this at the doctoc shortly after the search at the crime scene was finished, copied it, but then it disappeared ... my link no longer worked and couldn't google it either ... I thought I would post it here ... I thought it came from someone who wasn't supposed to post it on the internet .. if it came from steffaroob she should have the credit ...
Didn't mean to imply it was mine, just something I found. :wink:

[newsjunkie]

Where Caylee's murder is concerned, I hold Casey soley responsible. I often wonder if part of their reaction is not only from raising a daughter who has a sociopathic profile, but also in a sense being raised by a daughter with a sociopathic profile. I believe in personal responsibility and accountability, and I hold George responsible for his own actions, Cindy for hers.

I do not know their life before this save for what I have heard or read, though I do know there was discussion about Cindy and George getting custody of Caylee, so that in itself tells me they knew at the very least that Casey was not the mother they portrayed her to be to the public, and just the fact that the first thing upon smelling the car that George thought of was Caylee being in the trunk, dead. Now I know they had not seen her in a month, but by all accounts from Casey, she was fine. It is one thing to think your daughter is witholding your grandaughter and lying about their whereabouts, quite another to think your daughter has been lying about about your grandaughter being alive. To even entertain this thought, IMO, he had to know Casey was feared capable of alot more than lying.

As I stated, I do not hold them responsible for Casey's actions, but they had an obligation to Caylee, and I believe they turned a blind eye.

MOO



I hold the Anthonys responsible for a good portion of this mess.
Every single horrible trait that is Casey A is also Cindy A.
They are so alike Casey didn't have a chance. She is just like her mother,
And George? What can I say except he condoned the whole enchallda. He didn't have the parts to do anything else!

[Grins]

Now since we know she was wearing the same shorts she had on that day at the nursing home..I am now certain she died that night..Father's Day night..

I think when Caylee and Cindy got home that's when the chit hit the fan about great grammie's money..maybe someone changed Caylee's shirt but not the shorts..

Casey got so mad at Cindy..Cindy got so mad at Casey she was choking her so Casey grabbed up Caylee and hit the road..

George never saw either one the next day and he sure didn't eat breakfast with Caylee. I think Caylee was dead before morning..

Casey only returned later when mom and dad were not at home and got blanket and bags and canvas laundry bag.

Casey should pay for this with her life..Hi Citygirl! :thumbsup:
Recall this?
"The documents also contain a transcript of an interview with ... Joy Wray who was a part of the EquuSearch team.

Wray became involved in the case just days after Caylee disappeared and told investigators she searched along Suburban Drive for the body because she had a, "Gut feeling." Wray said she looked around the area for clues at least 10 times, which is the same spot where Caylee's body was found on December 11.
http://www.wftv.com/news/19725145/detail.html

If she died June 15, 2008, then who dumped the body while defendant was in jail?

[newsjunkie]

Hi Citygirl! :thumbsup:
Recall this?
"The documents also contain a transcript of an interview with ... Joy Wray who was a part of the EquuSearch team.

Wray became involved in the case just days after Caylee disappeared and told investigators she searched along Suburban Drive for the body because she had a, "Gut feeling." Wray said she looked around the area for clues at least 10 times, which is the same spot where Caylee's body was found on December 11.

If she died June 15, 2008, then who dumped the body while defendant was in jail?


The crime was not reported until July Casey was not in jail until then.

[Grins]

The crime was not reported until July Casey was not in jail until then.C was not looked for until on and after July 15 so Joy Wray searched starting "days after" July 15.
Defendant was in jail for those 10 searches and no body was foind.

[AnnieBell]

The Anthony's aren't responsible for the death of Caylee. Furthermore, no one on this forum can say with any degree of certainty that the Anthony's did or didn't, could have and didn't do anything which would have prevented this tragedy, as we have only seen a small window into their lives. We don't know if Cindy had sought help for Casey as she grew up. Perhaps their private insurance didn't cover mental health issues, and she wasn't qualified for state assistance due to Cindy's income. The only thing the Anthony's did wrong was to provide a warm and loving home for Caylee and Casey. What else could they have done? NOTHING.

IMO..OF COURSE

How can you defend the lack of responsibilities the Anthony's had? Let me be the first to stand up then and yell YES based on everything I have read and seen I hold the Anthony's just as responsible in the death of this child. If I remember correctly Cindy was asked by LE if Casey had ever suffered any mental problems and she said without hesitation no. Casey was an adult and her ability to receive any medical treatment of any kind would not be influenced by Cindy's income. Remember Cindy stated under oath she did not claim Casey or Caylee on her income taxes. If the grandparents had provided this child with a warm and loving home Caylee may still be alive today. There was a lot they could have done.

[denjet]

baez proved once again what a tiny man he truly is. Kathy Belich is one of the best investigative reporters on this case and antagonizing her shows just how juvenile and stupid baez is.

I loved how he referred to the ME's findings as "speculation." He should go back to chasing ambulances.
I just finished watching the Baez presser, OMG what a baffoon ... apparently reading comprehension is not one of his strong points either :blink:
and questioning Kathi about her name "Who are you Todd Black" ... everytime he opens his mouth, he inserts foot ... WTH!

[Tracian]

Okay, I just saw George on JVM.

I am so angry I can hardly see straight. Once again IMO, the A's are using Caylee to protect Casey.

George has a picture of Caylee..."It's all about Caylee"

How is this about Caylee? What about when they go on shows, talking about what a perfect daughter Casey is....how proud they are of her...

Is that about Caylee too?:cursing:

[Snoopy50]

I can name PLENTY. In fact, it's a regular discussion around our house because we saw it coming.

In the A's case it's not simply "accepting responsibility", it's covering it up and pretending nothing is wrong.
Go back to the beginning of this case and read up. Just the bs they spew about Caylee's bio father is enough to make your head spin.

Her parents are liars that see nothing wrong with Casey lying because THAT is how their family rolls.

I call that BAD parenting. Call me crazy.:rolleyes:
No, Jammies, you have it right.:rolleyes:

[AnnieBell]

Hi Citygirl! :thumbsup:
Recall this?
"The documents also contain a transcript of an interview with ... Joy Wray who was a part of the EquuSearch team.

Wray became involved in the case just days after Caylee disappeared and told investigators she searched along Suburban Drive for the body because she had a, "Gut feeling." Wray said she looked around the area for clues at least 10 times, which is the same spot where Caylee's body was found on December 11.
http://www.wftv.com/news/19725145/detail.html

If she died June 15, 2008, then who dumped the body while defendant was in jail?

Wray's interview left me wondering why she was so nervous during the interview with the LE. What did you gather from this interview?

[Tracian]

C was not looked for until on and after July 15 so Joy Wray searched starting "days after" July 15.
Defendant was in jail for those 10 searches and no body was foind.


I don't think anyone looked where she was found.

[Kat4Eagles]

You are far more generous than I, Kat..I felt bad for them about a day and a half..then..not so much..now? I don't have any use for them at all..I think they are milking the death of their beautiful grand daughter for all it's worth..that's about as low as you can go..without being a murderer in my book.

Hi CG,
I certainly understand how you feel.
The death of Caylee and the loss of Casey will be with them forever though.
I can not imagine that kind of horror and pain, can you?.....but, it also does not excuse their actions.
This to me, is the kind of thing, you wouldn't wish on anyone.
:(
Kat

[AnnieBell]

See that's what I find so difficult to swallow. Teeny, tiny backyard and they don't NOTICE a freakin' GRAVE?? At the time they wouldn't have known Caylee was "missing" so I'm going to assume they went about their daily chores, lawn maintenance etc. How could they have MISSED a chunk of their yard dug up?

Was that huge bamboo bush Casey dug up located in their yard. Has anyone seen the forensic report done on the shovel?

[vonna]

You are far more generous than I, Kat..I felt bad for them about a day and a half..then..not so much..now? I don't have any use for them at all..I think they are milking the death of their beautiful grand daughter for all it's worth..that's about as low as you can go..without being a murderer in my book.

You are so right!

[Snoopy50]

Sorry... Not all of the "rest of us" disagree. I agree more with her than anyone else on this board. I personally don't think that spending hours and days criticizing the Anthony's online, is such a great a way to raise children either.

Imo...of course.
May I ask who you might be referring to here? TIA

[imc_e]

Sorry... Not all of the "rest of us" disagree. I agree more with her than anyone else on this board. I personally don't think that spending hours and days criticizing the Anthony's online, is such a great a way to raise children either.

Imo...of course.

If you feel that way, you could just find something else to do with your time then.

:smile:

[imc_e]

Lisa Bloom on Issues, saying that Caylee was obviously alive when the duct tape was put around her head.

Poor kid.

[AnnieBell]

Rhi, they pampered her while she was growing up and instead should have installed basic morals and responsibility for your actions as well as caring for others. They didn't do that. She got into trouble in various ways and got so bad Cindy told more than one of Casey's friends that she is a sociopath and they should stay away from her. When she got pregnant, they lied to the point of ridiculous levels when she was 7 months pregnant and showing big. More covering. She stole from all of them for years and was a compulsive liar, they still covered for her. While all of these things don't necessarily lead to her murdering her child, her temper tantrums and getting away with anything she wanted found a sick spot or spots in her mind and led her to get rid of Caylee...I think to spite Cindy after she had a physical fight with her and had Cindy's hands around her neck choking her. She left in a rage that night (MHO) and took the one thing that meant anything to anyone and killed it in spite and a grown up temper tantrum. It takes a sick person to do that and in my opinion, they are all sick mentally in that family with no feelings for anyone but themselves.

I truly think also that there is much more to this story that could come out at trial. More horrible things that involve Cindy and George. And they know it and that's why they are still covering for her. So that she won't unload on them. Remember when they visited her and she told her mother, "don't worry, I didn't say anything." I think Casey is going to throw them under the bus and that's why she won't see them and why she won't look at them anymore during the hearings. This whole family is sick and it ended in that baby's murder. Cindy and George have just as much guilt as if they had torn the tape off the roll and handed it to Casey piece by piece. JMHO

Wow, you just connected some dots for me and explains things. Well done. Keep sharing!!!

[Imperfect4]

Hi Imp, found this at the doctoc shortly after the search at the crime scene was finished, copied it, but then it disappeared ... my link no longer worked and couldn't google it either ... I thought I would post it here ... I thought it came from someone who wasn't supposed to post it on the internet .. if it came from steffaroob she should have the credit ...
Didn't mean to imply it was mine, just something I found. :wink:

Oh, I knew that, denjet. As soon as I saw the map, I thought of steff. Was hoping to force her out of lurking, if she's still around!

[Jester]

Imo, they can't truly grieve without first getting honest about so many, many things that very likely led up to Caylee's murder. They can't grieve, mourn, surrender, accept, or move on without complete honesty.

Honesty is not where these people are at. Imo, they have lived the better part of their lives mired in dishonesty, so not only does the "truth hurt" in this situation, it's a foreign concept to this family.

I don't expect them to go home, turn inward, and begin the healing process anytime soon, if ever.

Whoever is giving them counsel, whether a pastor or a PhD, their attorney or friends, is either not trying to get through to them, or is having no success. Anyone in their circle who might be encouraging or enabling them to stay away from the truth is doing them a disservice.

I can't think of a more appropriate situation for that old saying, "The truth shall set you free."

imo

Interesting point. I guess they've been trapped in their own world of lies forever.

[BobbysGirl]

I shake my head and heart in disbelief.

I truly believe Caylee died at the hands of her mother. The proof is in the pudding.

Wht more can the A's do to continue to fight the system. What will they gain.

Never, ever in my life have I met a family and a case w/ so many lawyers dipping their fingers into a horrible death of a child. None of these so called dream teamS can change the facts.

It breaks my heart. And the nerve of George, in front of Judge w/tears and finally had the nerve to say Caylee Marie name. An abomination. Iam glad Judge S saw thru his facade. And poor, Cin. Hanging her head. I wonder what their demeanor would be if Casey was in court? Stretching their necks, hoping for a glimpse or sign? Nah! They were not their for Casey nor Caylee.

Only for themselves. And the media.

TG the media kept question George how many times they were on TV.

George is a coward and Cindy a drama queen.

In the face for all to see. Are they that ignorant to see themselves for who they truly are?

Stupid? Or What? Makes absolute no sense to me.

Their anguish, most likely, they are losing their funds from their fundation. Keep up the good work G&C. You will lose all and probably so.

They can wallow, wallow, wallow, in their self pity. I don't buy it.

Off my rant.

Later

BG

:rose: For an emotional plea justice be done for Caylee.

[riohouse]

Wow, you just connected some dots for me and explains things. Well done. Keep sharing!!!

I agree with everything you have said as well.One of the videos showing her shaking her fists and yelling to me said it all.

riohouse

[Tracian]

Serious question:

Does Conway and the Anthony's think everyone is stupid?

Conway was on a show with Cindy saying that 'no hair was found on the skull' Cindy is nodding...

In the AR, is states, 'hair on the skull'

So...WTH?

Do they not realize that this further destroys their credibility?

[Snoopy50]

Really? And that should matter to me ...... why? I can give an opinion just like you. I happen to believe child killers are responsible for their own actions, and to place the blame on anyone else is just really, really strange ..... no matter who they are. Show me a perfect parent ...... oh wait, you, I'm guessing.
You assume too much......if you are implying that I believe i am perfect. I am an good parent, a VERY good parent, but I have made mistakes in raising my kids. All 4 turned out to be exceptional people, 2 of them are in law enforcement. I did, however, make a sincere effort to learn from my mistakes and not repeat them and I DID hold my children accountable. Tough love is sometimes brutal for a parent but necessary if the situation warrants it. IMO the Anthony's knew they were raising a monster, and they did NOTHING to help her. Rather than insult some of us, you might be better off trying to understand why we feel the way we feel. As a side note, it appears that Casey anthony learned from the worst: her parents. Caylee never stood a chance.

[spiritwolf46]

Okay, I just saw George on JVM.

I am so angry I can hardly see straight. Once again IMO, the A's are using Caylee to protect Casey.

George has a picture of Caylee..."It's all about Caylee"

How is this about Caylee? What about when they go on shows, talking about what a perfect daughter Casey is....how proud they are of her...

Is that about Caylee too?:cursing:

You are so right about that! This has NEVER been about that murdered little victim but all about the murderer! It has always been about what a GREAT mother Casey has been, but according to George, that was only AFTER he talked to LE, the FBI and the Grand Jury, isn't it?

AMAZING George! What liars you and your family is! Every single one of you!

[Mamie]

But right after the judge gave his verdict she did manage to turn her head to the left---where the camera happened to be. She just never gives up her theatrics. Doesn't phase me one bit.


Right down to her trembling hand that the camera happened to catch. LOL

[spiritwolf46]

Where did everyone go?

I watched Geo leave the court room like a child who did not get his own way today. I also saw him turn away from his keeper a couple of times too! What is up with that?

[101Spots]

Where did everyone go?

I watched Geo leave the court room like a child who did not get his own way today. I also saw him turn away from his keeper a couple of times too! What is up with that?

We're all over on the Friday, Part II thread. Come join us!

[kanzz]

You are so right about that! This has NEVER been about that murdered little victim but all about the murderer! It has always been about what a GREAT mother Casey has been, but according to George, that was only AFTER he talked to LE, the FBI and the Grand Jury, isn't it?

AMAZING George! What liars you and your family is! Every single one of you!

It is interesting, don't you think... and I've often wondered about this - Why do some forums here on IS carry the name of the accused while others carry the name of the victim? I always thought the title of the forum was the name of the victim until there was an arrest, then the name of the accused; but that doesn't seem to be true in this case. I'm just curious about things.. not that it really matters.

[AnnInOhio]

Who insulted who? Too funny. I know exactly what tough love is, but thanks .... Were you living with the Anthony's? How do you know what they did or didn't do that makes them so responsible for Caylee's death? Nah ...... Casey was an adult, she knew right from wrong. She alone killed Caylee. Believing the Anthony's should have known is ludicrous, imo, because I have no doubt that both would have done whatever they could to stop her had they even considered it and once it sinks in that she did do it, will probably torture themselves for not knowing .... every day for the rest of their lives. MOO

Well, for starters, we know that Cindy, a nurse, pretended when Casey was obviously pregnant with Caylee not to realize what was obvious to everyone else. If a young adult is never held accountable and is allowed to bold-faced lie without any questioning or consequence, eventually they come to believe they are not accountable to anyone for any of their actions. What's the point of Casey knowing right from wrong if she believes right and wrong don't apply to her? C&G chose not to acknowledge Casey's life of lies because they were too focused on their own issues. And they still are. Caylee has paid the price for that family's dysfunction.