Friday, June 19, 2009 #1

[smileyjoe]

Do ya suppose that BC might end up like this tomorrow?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,527463,00.html

:shrug:

[Kat4Eagles]

No helping poor Brad today..BTW, I'll bet he gets chewed out big time for not doing enough to get that autopsy sealed.mo



The best that that Anthony's could have hoped for would have only been to postpone the inevitable, and the Judge knew that.....

Anyone have an idea on what time the report might become available?
I have been checking all the media sources.

Kat

[FallenAngel♥]

All for her ... who ... can't he bring himself to even say the name of his granddaughter?

nope she's usually just "that girl" :cursing:

[kitty1182]

All for her ... who ... can't he bring himself to even say the name of his granddaughter?

I'm surprised he didn't say CMA.:rolleyes:

[ish]

I missed that...can't wait for someone to post it online......where's nancy been this week btw?

well now we have a new acronym TTS to go with FLB. Thanks Cindy!!

[Jester]

Well they better get used to it...I see many temper tantrums coming down the road...Watching the depo with M&M was a preview into the trial.mo

The best thing they could do, as I keep saying, is to go home, grieve in private, and get on with their lives. Focusing on the loss of Cayley is not getting on with the healing process, it is wallowing in it and exploiting their granddaughter's memory.

It's almost like George doesn't know where the media lawyer is going with asking him about his numerous TV appearances.

[Kat4Eagles]

Do ya suppose that BC might end up like this tomorrow?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,527463,00.html

:shrug:


Now, that's funny, kinda gives a whole new meaning on getting trashed, huh?

Kat

[desmom]

http://www.wftv.com/video/19801086/index.html

entire hearing.....

Thank you for the link!



Happy Birthday Wishes to 5boxersmom!

[Elle]

I think Cindy lost the honor of being Caylee's grandmother way back down that country road. The main emotion we have seen from her is defending her daughter(baby killer) Accusing George of being insensitive to Cindy, UNBELIEVEABLE. You are right in some regard as to te association between George and Casey, THEY WERE BOTH AFRAID OF THEIR LEADER.

Hi Annie. I respect your opinion, though I disagree with Cindy being the leader. I actually see alWhile I believe Cindy to be abrasive and often crude, I firmly believe she does not in any way control George. IMO Cindy is the guard dog barking at the gate. IIMOO that George is a very big part of the disfunction of this family. I believe he is quite comfortable hiding behind Cindy, playing her victim, societies victim, simpleton victim, all in order to not have to take responsibility for his own abhorrant actions. IMO its all part of his schtik, I believe him to be a very controlling man and at the same time an extraordinarly weak man.

above is completely my opinion

moo

[ish]

Hi BG... it was definitely a kodak moment!

he didn't even offer a tissue!!

[Myka]

Do ya suppose that BC might end up like this tomorrow?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,527463,00.html

:shrug:

too funny!!

[desmom]

Judge Allows Release Of Caylee Autopsy Results
http://www.wftv.com/news/19789313/detail.html

WFTV was the first station to obtain the autopsy report results and WFTV.com will post them as they come in.

[PROPROS]

yep no gum chewing today she'll be chewing on bc...Hi happy, Yes instead of gum it will be BC backside...I'm sure Cindy wishes she could bully Judge Strickland the way she did Tim Miller on that message..mo:thumbdown:

[Sun]

I recall not too long ago, a member of the defense team whining that they had not yet received the Autopsy Report for Caylee. Do you suppose that they are now regretting this? They had to have known that if and when it was released to them, it would also become a public record.

I just don't understand what Baez did there at the end of the hearing today. Just don't understand what is between his ears. Just don't understand it at all.... and don't think that I want to, either. LOL

[Kat4Eagles]

Judge Allows Release Of Caylee Autopsy Results
http://www.wftv.com/news/19789313/detail.html

WFTV was the first station to obtain the autopsy report results and WFTV.com will post them as they come in.

Thank you........
I was wondering why the mention of the duct tape today.., will there be more to it?
It seemed to stress the Anthony team , that it would be coming out.
Maybe cause it will be official now, and not just a rumor?

:shrug:

Kat

[Explorer]

Hi happy, Yes instead of gum it will be BC backside...I'm sure Cindy wishes she could bully Judge Strickland the way she did Tim Miller on that message..mo:thumbdown:

Justice is finally starting to be served.

[True2Blues]

Hi Annie. I respect your opinion, though I disagree with Cindy being the leader. I actually see alWhile I believe Cindy to be abrasive and often crude, I firmly believe she does not in any way control George. IMO Cindy is the guard dog barking at the gate. IIMOO that George is a very big part of the disfunction of this family. I believe he is quite comfortable hiding behind Cindy, playing her victim, societies victim, simpleton victim, all in order to not have to take responsibility for his own abhorrant actions. IMO its all part of his schtik, I believe him to be a very controlling man and at the same time an extraordinarly weak man.

above is completely my opinion

moo

I don't see George as a victim either. I agree he's weak, and I think very lazy. I've no doubt he's a manipulator in his own way and I think he's in complete agreement with everything Cindy does. When it comes to lying, deceit and coverup, I have no doubt they're of one mind (one small, mean, vindictive mind). As you say, he's content to hide behind and act the victim.

I imagine he's stomping around, just as mad as Cindy, that they didn't get their way.

[5boxersmom]

Judge Allows Release Of Caylee Autopsy Results
http://www.wftv.com/news/19789313/detail.html

WFTV was the first station to obtain the autopsy report results and WFTV.com will post them as they come in.

Shouldn't be long now.

TY des.

:biggrin:

[Explorer]

I recall not too long ago, a member of the defense team whining that they had not yet received the Autopsy Report for Caylee. Do you suppose that they are now regretting this? They had to have known that if and when it was released to them, it would also become a public record.

I just don't understand what Baez did there at the end of the hearing today. Just don't understand what is between his ears. Just don't understand it at all.... and don't think that I want to, either. LOL

He is all LATE and WRONG

[PROPROS]

The best thing they could do, as I keep saying, is to go home, grieve in private, and get on with their lives. Focusing on the loss of Cayley is not getting on with the healing process, it is wallowing in it and exploiting their granddaughter's memory.

It's almost like George doesn't know where the media lawyer is going with asking him about his numerous TV appearances.ITA...But no!! They should have bought a clue months ago...However, dinners,5 star hotels and IMO,just plain ole "greed" is what drives them.Once again, The Anthonys believe that "everyone" loves them as much as they love themselves...mo

[101Spots]

I recall not too long ago, a member of the defense team whining that they had not yet received the Autopsy Report for Caylee. Do you suppose that they are now regretting this? They had to have known that if and when it was released to them, it would also become a public record.

I just don't understand what Baez did there at the end of the hearing today. Just don't understand what is between his ears. Just don't understand it at all.... and don't think that I want to, either. LOL

vacuum n., A space or container from which the air has been partly or completely removed.

[kitty1182]

ITA...But no!! They should have bought a clue months ago...However, dinners,5 star hotels and IMO,just plain ole "greed" is what drives them.Once again, The Anthonys believe that "everyone" loves them as much as they love themselves...mo

IMO, they should both be back at work too..
They are not the first grandparents to lose a precious grandchild...

[AnnieBell]

Oh get a grip. I never said I excused anything. I made a comment George was pouty and insensitive doing what he did in the courtroom when the only other person standing with him obviously needed comfort, as much as you and many others may despise her. She DID lose a child she loved and had it not been for her (late) phone call, Caylee's death may still be unknown. Wow, say something bad about George and you really get jumped on. Imo, he's got the same narcissistic personality his daughter does, and as far as I know, I have just as much right to an opinion as anyone else. Sorry, but I won't call one grandparent 'evil' while excusing the other when I see him as actually more of a Casey enabler than his wife was. I saw the prison videos, he babied her and made promises while Cindy wanted information and pi**ed her off. Not once have I said I excused anything either one has done. If saying I would never put myself in their place somehow made you believe that, well ............ read a little more closely.

As others have stated, I too am getting tired of the grieving grandparent card to defend G&C's behavior. Funny you mention that at least Cindy finally made that call. But don't you think she could have called before then, she called Lee. Or what about when they went to pick up the car and was knocked down with the odor of death. Oh wait She had to get back to work. Her co-workers were more alarmed than she was. She only went home after her supervisor instructed her to go home and sort out her family issues. Cindy didn't lose her daughter, Casey chose not to be around her. It's time to stop with the excuses for George and Cindy's behavior. They have been allowed a free pass way to long for questionable criminal behaviors they have done. I think I got the jest of your statement correct the first time.

[Explorer]

The funny thing is they just got thrown of that high horse that they're on:biggrin:

[kitty1182]

The funny thing is they just got thrown of that high horse that they're on:biggrin:

Yep, and the fall isn't over:wink:

[Tracian]

As others have stated, I too am getting tired of the grieving grandparent card to defend G&C's behavior. Funny you mention that at least Cindy finally made that call. But don't you think she could have called before then, she called Lee. Or what about when they went to pick up the car and was knocked down with the odor of death. Oh wait She had to get back to work. Her co-workers were more alarmed than she was. She only went home after her supervisor instructed her to go home and sort out her family issues. Cindy didn't lose her daughter, Casey chose not to be around her. It's time to stop with the excuses for George and Cindy's behavior. They have been allowed a free pass way to long for questionable criminal behaviors they have done. I think I got the jest of your statement correct the first time.


You are correct. She told her co workers that she didn't want to call police until "Casey had a chance to explain'

They have lied, misled, and IMO, we will be finding out more about the A's before this is all over.

[Explorer]

Yep, and the fall isn't over:wink:

Yes i do believe that its just the beginning.

[PROPROS]

George complains that the family's right to privacy and well-being has been tossed aside repeatedly in the past year. You're right, George but who did the tossing? Cindy with the hammers and lies on the front lawn or Lee when he stormed out of the house to desecrate the burgeoning memorial the day Caylee was found or maybe you with the hose and the tossing of lawn furniture and the lies and the phony concern for Caylee when you didn't even look for her. Rotten, rotten Georgie the man-boy. You stink George! :thumbdown:They want privacy when it suits them...They have no problem turning Caylee into a walking infomercial if it brings in the dollars...How dare they ask for privacy and then appear on tv over and over again...mo

[kitty1182]

they want privacy when it suits them...they have no problem turning caylee into a walking infomercial if it brings in the dollars...how dare they ask for privacy and then appear on tv over and over again...mo

amen!!!!!!!!!!

[Explorer]

They want privacy when it suits them...They have no problem turning Caylee into a walking infomercial if it brings in the dollars...How dare they ask for privacy and then appear on tv over and over again...mo

Yes and they were called on it in court today.

[crimeq]

Here is George's plea at the hearing....

http://www.wesh.com/video/19800997/index.html


imo

Judge S doesn't even look at George ... except for the occasional glance ... and I think I see his contempt for George in those glances.

Sorry Ants, you lose, and I hope this is the beginning of that kind of streak for you.

[desmom]

READ AUTOPSY: Report Of Examination

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19801498/detail.html

[Sun]

I like that thought. You're so right ... they pulled these stunts on each other for the last 30 years, and enjoyed the triangulation and head games. Now they are trying their stunts on real people, and they're just not working.

You may be exactly right on this angle. ....I kind of got the feeling today, that Cindy was the one orchestrating Conway and George's "performance" today. Not quite sure why, but somehow I just think that she may have been the one behind this motion being filed.

[FallenAngel♥]

READ AUTOPSY: Report Of Examination

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19801498/detail.html

tyvm..........

[Jester]

ITA...But no!! They should have bought a clue months ago...However, dinners,5 star hotels and IMO,just plain ole "greed" is what drives them.Once again, The Anthonys believe that "everyone" loves them as much as they love themselves...mo

Good point. When their granddaughter's remains are found, they go out to party (just like Casey did when she knew her daughter was dead) ... all of a sudden, months later, they need privacy and time to heal before the public learns the truth? They should have been grieving rather than partying when Cayleys bones were being removed from a swamp/dump.

[ish]

Plus the part about Baez saying were not afraid of the autopsy report:biggrin:

yeah, he started yakking and then threw that in, I guess for the FLBs that have been posting that very thing on the message boards. I'll bet he and Cindy are all over the net right now, reading their reviews, here's mine:thumbdown:

[PROPROS]

IMO, they should both be back at work too..
They are not the first grandparents to lose a precious grandchild...ITA kitty...They are not the first family that has experienced tragedy...The jails are filled with people that committed horrible crimes...These people left victims and shattered families behind...Why The Anthonys feel that they are entitled to special treatment is beyond me...Unfortunately , Casey is not the first mother to murder her own child and sadly, she won't be the last.mo

[ish]

Good point. When their granddaughter's remains are found, they go out to party (just like Casey did when she knew her daughter was dead) ... all of a sudden, months later, they need privacy and time to heal before the public learns the truth? They should have been grieving rather than partying when Cayleys bones were being removed from a swamp/dump.

Don't say remains!!! I'm gonna walk outta here the next time you say remains!! I've had enough!! I'm through, I'm done.....

[Amy]

WESH-Channel 2 reported that Casey Anthony won't attend the hearing. "Those who've seen the autopsy report tell me that there's nothing in it that really resembles a smoking gun of any sort in the overall case against Casey," WESH's Bob Kealing said.

George or Cindy Anthony might take the stand in the hearing, their attorney, Brad Conway, told Kealing.


http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/06/casey-anthony-is-there-a-smoking-gun-in-the-autopsy-report.html

What ought to upset them more than the release of the autopsy report is the fact that their daughter killed their granddaughter. Not proven in court---yet, to be sure. But as plain as the noses on their faces.

Or, they ought to be so upset that they continue to hunt for the real killer. I guess, maybe they are, in the same way they hunted for their "missing" dead granddaughter.

[Jester]

READ AUTOPSY: Report Of Examination

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19801498/detail.html

Did I read somewhere that it was 83 pages? Could the missing 72 pages be pictures and bone x-rays?

[Ladyhawk]

Thank you........
I was wondering why the mention of the duct tape today.., will there be more to it?
It seemed to stress the Anthony team , that it would be coming out.
Maybe cause it will be official now, and not just a rumor?

:shrug:

Kat

I think what was stressing the A's about this autopsy was it's value as a commodity to them....if it's public anyone can obtain a copy by paying the copy fee. I think it's all about money with them and I don't think they are above selling something like that if they could. A copy of the autopsy that's not released to the public would have put a few more coins in their pockets.

[Sun]

I'm still stunned that Judge S didn't look at him AT ALL until he was nearly finished talking.

He looked at the media attorney, though.

I think it's interesting the judge said he didn't like to have to make the ruling, yet he couldn't seem to bring himself to look at George during his tearful testimony.

Another little sumpin that makes you go, hmmmmm ...

Judge Strickland wasn't wearing a tin foil hat, so he couldn't take the chance of an Anthony playing any mind games with him. :lol:

[Jester]

You may be exactly right on this angle. ....I kind of got the feeling today, that Cindy was the one orchestrating Conway and George's "performance" today. Not quite sure why, but somehow I just think that she may have been the one behind this motion being filed.

I'm sure she was behind it ... she pushes everyone to do what she wants. Conway would have told her that it wouldn't work, but she wanted him to present an argument that was nothing more than a distraction, and a waste of the court's time.

[FallenAngel♥]

Several overlapping pieces of duct tape place PRIOR to decomposition. It looks like the duct tape kept the jaw bone intact. So the monster put that tape on before she killed her or right after.

SEVERAL pieces of duct tape.

Yep that's the way i understood it :(

i don't see the tox report do you?

[Jester]

Don't say remains!!! I'm gonna walk outta here the next time you say remains!! I've had enough!! I'm through, I'm done.....

LOL ... poor George - can't control the words that people use.

[PROPROS]

You may be exactly right on this angle. ....I kind of got the feeling today, that Cindy was the one orchestrating Conway and George's "performance" today. Not quite sure why, but somehow I just think that she may have been the one behind this motion being filed.I agree...You notice that it was George that was chosen to speak and not Cindy...Why do you suppose that is...Maybe, because she is finally realizing that much of the public does not like her...mo

[happygert]

The best thing they could do, as I keep saying, is to go home, grieve in private, and get on with their lives. Focusing on the loss of Cayley is not getting on with the healing process, it is wallowing in it and exploiting their granddaughter's memory.

It's almost like George doesn't know where the media lawyer is going with asking him about his numerous TV appearances.

Imo they are not focusing on the loss of Caylee unless they think they can use it to their advantage.. However they are focusing on their loss and gaines. (monetary gains).How much money they can make off the loss of Caylee..

[kitty1182]

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19801498/detail.html

Thanks...
From what I read, the body had been there months before it was found...

[desmom]

READ AUTOPSY: Report Of Examination

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19801498/detail.html

Page 3 -

"The duct tape was clearly placed prior to decomposition, keeping the mandible in place."

"...indicate animal activity occurring at this location after decomposition started, but before complete disarticulation of the skeleton. This indicates the body was put in this location prior to complete skeletonization. The roots growing into the vertebrae and the bags indicate the body was placed there months prior to being found. There is nothing inconsistent with the body being placed there soon after the date of being last seen alive."

[Sun]

I'm still stunned that Judge S didn't look at him AT ALL until he was nearly finished talking.

He looked at the media attorney, though.

I think it's interesting the judge said he didn't like to have to make the ruling, yet he couldn't seem to bring himself to look at George during his tearful testimony.

Another little sumpin that makes you go, hmmmmm ...

In re-watching this.... I think that George really was looking down at his "speech" and that he rarely raised his head and looked at Judge Strickland. Judge Strickland did look at George towards the end, but that was mostly when George looked at him.

[PROPROS]

Good point. When their granddaughter's remains are found, they go out to party (just like Casey did when she knew her daughter was dead) ... all of a sudden, months later, they need privacy and time to heal before the public learns the truth? They should have been grieving rather than partying when Cayleys bones were being removed from a swamp/dump.That is a good point!! They acted just like Casey did when the body of Caylee was found...I'll never forget how shocked the detectives were,when they heard that The Anthonys were at The Ritz,while LE was down on their knees looking for pieces of Caylee's "remains"!mo

[FallenAngel♥]

I wonder when the Tox report will be released.

[Kygal]

Why does she wear so much!!!! It is horrible looking.

Hmmm, I wonder how much has been purchased in the last year?

[Jester]

Imo they are not focusing on the loss of Caylee unless they think they can use it to their advantage.. However they are focusing on their loss and gaines. (monetary gains).How much money they can make off the loss of Caylee..

So true ... it seems like the Anthonys are endlessly scheming to get attention, exploit their granddaughter's murder, and find ways to suck money from the public.

[~jomomma~]

Several overlapping pieces of duct tape place PRIOR to decomposition. It looks like the duct tape kept the jaw bone intact. So the monster put that tape on before she killed her or right after.

SEVERAL pieces of duct tape.

or wound multiple times :sad:

[Unleashed]

Judge S doesn't even look at George ... except for the occasional glance ... and I think I see his contempt for George in those glances.

Sorry Ants, you lose, and I hope this is the beginning of that kind of streak for you.


At least Judge S was considerate enough not to adjust his glasses.


JMO

[Ladyhawk]

I agree...You notice that it was George that was chosen to speak and not Cindy...Why do you suppose that is...Maybe, because she is finally realizing that much of the public does not like her...mo

I'd like to know which one of the 3 wrote George's little speech and was George feeling like the speech itself was a failure as a sympathy generator or was he feeling like his delivery was the failure.

[PROPROS]

What ought to upset them more than the release of the autopsy report is the fact that their daughter killed their granddaughter. Not proven in court---yet, to be sure. But as plain as the noses on their faces.

Or, they ought to be so upset that they continue to hunt for the real killer. I guess, maybe they are, in the same way they hunted for their "missing" dead granddaughter.Absolutely, what could possibly be more devastating then that...But, they go on defending the mother of the year and bash LE, TES, FBI and all of Casey's friends.mo:thumbdown:

[Dick Tracy]

Several overlapping pieces of duct tape place PRIOR to decomposition. It looks like the duct tape kept the jaw bone intact. So the monster put that tape on before she killed her or right after.

SEVERAL pieces of duct tape.


I just read that.. That is HORRIBLE to even consider. Yikes.

[FallenAngel♥]

Ok i see it say Toxicology found no drugs.........but is that all we get?

[desmom]

Report of Skeletal Dispersal at Scene
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19801734/detail.html

[Jester]

That is a good point!! They acted just like Casey did when the body of Caylee was found...I'll never forget how shocked the detectives were,when they heard that The Anthonys were at The Ritz,while LE was down on their knees looking for pieces of Caylee's "remains"!mo

Yup ... Casey wrapped in the flag whooping it up because Cayley was dead, the Anthonys whooping it up at the Ritz the day Cayley's body is found practically in their back yard. What a family!

[FallenAngel♥]

I thought Cindy said there was NO hair on the duct tape?

[ish]

Page 3 -

"The duct tape was clearly placed prior to decomposition, keeping the mandible in place."

"...indicate animal activity occurring at this location after decomposition started, but before complete disarticulation of the skeleton. This indicates the body was put in this location prior to complete skeletonization. The roots growing into the vertebrae and the bags indicate the body was placed there months prior to being found. There is nothing inconsistent with the body being placed there soon after the date of being last seen alive."

the letters that were collected that spelled out "Big trouble comes in small packages" Caylee had a tee shirt that ssid that. Am I reading the report correctly that the letters were all found loose and separate. I can understand the material decomposing and desintigrating, but would each letter be so neatly separated? That seems odd.

[trich]

I have never for one moment believed that George was under Cindy's control or for that matter she was under his.
They both have their own agendas and as far as I am concerned none have anything to do with Caylee.
All they care about is themselves.....
IMO this hearing was another ploy to get sympathy and by having this hearing bring more attention to themselves...welll I don't think they have come across like they wanted to.
There will be no pictures only written report on the autopsy.
If I am not mistaken there is no cause of death so what are the Anthonys so upset about.
Also why should their feelings come before the law.
Why again does this family think they are so entitled?
Anyone that can carry their grandaughters ashes around on their person should have no problem with an autopsy report.
It is not like they don't know she is dead ....murdered by their daughter.
Not to mention they do not have to read it....no one is making them listen or watch the news.
I am so disgusted with these 2 people ..

[101Spots]

Several overlapping pieces of duct tape place PRIOR to decomposition. It looks like the duct tape kept the jaw bone intact. So the monster put that tape on before she killed her or right after.

SEVERAL pieces of duct tape.

Baez, be afwaid of the autopsy report. Be vewy, vewy afwaid.

[Jester]

At least Judge S was considerate enough not to adjust his glasses.


JMO

What did George say that was again ... pushing glasses up the nose is "flipping the bird"? I wish we could see how George reacts when other people do that.

[True2Blues]

I just watched the hearing (I'm behind) and OH! the Drama! George and his quivering voice, raising his arms to eye level and flinging his 'tears' out to arms length. Pleading "It's all for HER." (Cindy, Casey?), which must be his excuse for the fundation and the attempts to fleece the public, because it's completely in Caylee's interest to have the facts come out. Allow us our privacy and dignity? Puh-Leeze! We'd be happy if you'd stay private, and dignity you've never had.

Then there's Cindy. Sitting with her face averted so the set jaw and furious stare aren't facing the Judge. Muttering angrily and shaking her head as the Judge offered sympathy she doesn't deserve. Her hands were shaking when he made the ruling, she was so angry. It's obvious why George spoke, spewing vitriol at the Judge can get a person in trouble.

Conway needs a sterner talking to about just who he is representing. Jury Pool? Not your business, Brad. And his buddy Baez. He's had how long to make a motion and he's just now asking for it? He really needs to get a grip.

Okay, done now.

[AnnieBell]

No, you purposely got it wrong, again. But that's your right, as much as it's mine to say he once again acted like as much a spoiled brat as is his daughter. I never excused either's behaviour. Twisting my words for an argument for some reason makes no sense to me. Why not direct your anger for someone who actually has excused them?

Why would I purposely get it wrong or twist another's words? Wouldn't that be considered part of a conspiracy of some sort? Sorry, my last name isn't Anthony, Baez, Conway, Milstead or Bart. As for my anger, I did direct my frustration toward someone who I felt was making an excuse, justification or whatever you want to name it for this family.

[5boxersmom]

Several pieces of duct tape. :cursing:

Got to me reading 2 teeth found. I don't know why but that part brought tears to my eyes.

imo

[PROPROS]

I'd like to know which one of the 3 wrote George's little speech and was George feeling like the speech itself was a failure as a sympathy generator or was he feeling like his delivery was the failure.IMO, they believe they have been "failed" by everyone who doesn't go along with The Anthony's version of what they see as "fair"mo

[Sun]

http://www.wftv.com/video/19801086/index.html

entire hearing.....

thank you so much for this link.

George sure does go from tears to defensive in a split second. It's all an act! And, a poor one at that. He doesn't believe in what he is saying and his mannerisms show this. Yes, he has emotions, but it is not directed at the words that he is speaking.... does this make sense to anyone but me?

[True2Blues]

I thought Cindy said there was NO hair on the duct tape?

She did, but she lies.

[Jester]

Thanks for all the updates, links, play-by-plays and discussion ... have a good afternoon (where's that waving smiley when I need it !!)

[Tracian]

Baez, be afwaid of the autopsy report. Be vewy, vewy afwaid.


Yep. That report also says that there is no reason to believe that she was not placed there shortly after the last time she was seen.

[Cynthia]

thank you so much for this link.

George sure does go from tears to defensive in a split second. It's all an act! And, a poor one at that. He doesn't believe in what he is saying and his mannerisms show this. Yes, he has emotions, but it is not directed at the words that he is speaking.... does this make sense to anyone but me?


Too rehearsed for my liking......

[Sandy001]

G-Morning to all.

I am so happy Judge Strickland ruled to have the autopsy report released. From the dissapointment and behavior displayed from George and Cindy there must be something in the Autopsy report that is damning evidence. I hope they will be able to contain themselves when the trail starts. (Justice for Caylee)
I think it's the duct tape and heart sticker that Conway denied were there on LKL. Now we have Conway lying too.

I know in my heart, they will not be able to control themselves at the trial. I fully expect one of them to stand up and call the prosecution or the witness a "damn liar." They CAN be booted from the courtroom. Judge Delucchi did it to the parents on both sides during Peterson. Made them stay away for a WEEK.

[Cynthia]

SKELETAL DISPERSAL

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19801734/detail.html

POOR CAYLEE.....:sad:

Animals picked at her, drug her bones...this is horrible!!

[ish]

SKELETAL DISPERSAL

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19801734/detail.html

they didn't find the hyod (spelling) bone? isn't that usually valuable in determining strangulation or choking to death? i've seen Baden say that damage to that bone is a sure sign of strangulation.

[desmom]

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19801734/detail.html

page 3 -

"The pattern of dispersal and disarticulation of the skeletal remains is consistent with dumping the body into the woods prior to significant decay involving disarticulation of major anatomical units.

The body most likely was dumped in the woods during the initial states of decomposition."

Page 6 -

"However, considering the environment where the remains were located, a time since death of approximately six months would not be inconsistent with the taphonomy of the skeleton."

[ish]

I think it's the duct tape and heart sticker that Conway denied were there on LKL. Now we have Conway lying too.

I know in my heart, they will not be able to control themselves at the trial. I fully expect one of them to stand up and call the prosecution or the witness a "damn liar." They CAN be booted from the courtroom. Judge Delucchi did it to the parents on both sides during Peterson. Made them stay away for a WEEK.

he also said it wasn't attached to her hair. and it clearly was.

[happygert]

Hi happy, Yes instead of gum it will be BC backside...I'm sure Cindy wishes she could bully Judge Strickland the way she did Tim Miller on that message..mo:thumbdown:

Im sure she's chomping on it right now.. Lunch.. Yes I'm sure she does. but cindy better get used to it she's not in control of this case and not going to be.. I really dont see why they are throwing such a fit about the autopsy.. g said he hasn't seen it oh but I'm sure someone has read them every single word in it.. What are they so afraid of? The duct tape heck we all know that already.. I also truly believe that Caylee was abused by casey you dont go from " a loving mom to muderering mom in 2. 5.. just dont happen.. I also believe g and c knew casey was abusing Caylee.. what happens behind the closed doors of the A's stays there.. just dont do it when other are around..

I'm so sick of these people they think that the laws that applies to others dont apply to them.. Thats why the thought they'd win this one to and Judge would keep it sealed..c was calling Judge Strickland names before bet she's really calling him some doozies now..

[crimeq]

The best thing they could do, as I keep saying, is to go home, grieve in private, and get on with their lives. Focusing on the loss of Cayley is not getting on with the healing process, it is wallowing in it and exploiting their granddaughter's memory.

It's almost like George doesn't know where the media lawyer is going with asking him about his numerous TV appearances.

Well, I think he did know and tried to deflect it -- "I have no idea, I haven't kept count" -- thinking that's an answer? that it wouldn't be challenged? that even a moderately intelligent person would try to put "some" estimate to it?

I can't wait for the trial. The Ants are going to try to deflect over and over and over, and they're going to be pinned down like insects pinned to a display board.

[Sandy001]

Check out Cindy's bling:

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x161/need2no/CAYLEE%20ANTHONY%20CASE/Anthony-autopsy-1.jpg[[/I] I was brought up that anything more than 3 bits of jewelry is considered a no-no in polite society. But then, whoever would dare to say that Cindy belonged in polite society. jmo

[summer]

You know, IF the Anthonys didn't know the contents of this autopsy report before today (which I don't believe for a second) -- well they do now.

Now they can STFU about themselves and THEIR needs and wants. Now they know what their precious little girl suffered -- and the report can't tell the half of it.

If they continue their media blitz they're monsters.

[Sun]

Do ya suppose that BC might end up like this tomorrow?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,527463,00.html

:shrug:

....that fellow's going to be looking for a new job. Here in Indiana, when public officials are publicly viewed in such a state, they tend to lose their jobs.

[5boxersmom]

Does no none medical history mean Caylee was never to the doctor or does it mean no medical problems?

tia

[~jomomma~]

pg 7.....

'There is fine silt & sand present in the bag as well as dirt'

i wonder if they've tied that to the A's back yard.

[happygert]

I agree...You notice that it was George that was chosen to speak and not Cindy...Why do you suppose that is...Maybe, because she is finally realizing that much of the public does not like her...mo

that and g can at least turn tears on and off on cue.. no tears when media lawyer was asking questions.. not many like either of them..

[happygert]

pg 7.....

'There is fine silt & sand present in the bag as well as dirt'

i wonder if they've tied that to the A's back yard.

sand from around the pool in yard??

[Cynthia]

Does no none medical history mean Caylee was never to the doctor or does it mean no medical problems?

tia

I wondered the same. In one of Cindy's depo (can't remember which one) she was asked who paid for Caylee's doc visits and of course she said Casey.

[desmom]

Does no none medical history mean Caylee was never to the doctor or does it mean no medical problems?

tia

IMO, no major medical problems.

[Brattnt]

that and g can at least turn tears on and off on cue.. no tears when media lawyer was asking questions.. not many like either of them..

Howdy Ms Gert!...The duct tape really gets to me....I kept hopin she was drugged and didnt know what was happenin to her, now knowing there were no drugs make it even worse for Caylee...:crying:..

JMO

[kOOkie1]

REMAINS

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19801861/detail.html

I'm actually kind of shocked. I admit I thought Alprazolam or some other drug would have been detected. No trauma to bones..
So what does this mean she smothered her?
(hate writing that)

[Cynthia]

I'm actually kind of shocked. I admit I thought Alprazolam or some other drug would have been detected. No trauma to bones..
So what does this mean she smothered her?
(hate writing that)

The tape around her maxilla & mandible means it covered her jaw and cheeks. Wouldn't that mean her little nose was covered. So she could have been suffocated....:sad:

[Carol25]

I'm actually kind of shocked. I admit I thought Alprazolam or some other drug would have been detected. No trauma to bones..
So what does this mean she smothered her?
(hate writing that)
However, it says that products of decomposition was not found either. That may mean it was too late to detect any of these things. IMO.

[norwood]

I have read what has been released of the autopsy report. We have not learned any more than what we already knew. It is pretty clear from the report that Caylee was dumped very soon after death in that area so no moving of the body once it was dumped. The duct tape is more than likely the the main reason it was called murder.

After all that time, 6 months, it is amazing that they found so many bones of the skelton.

So many items to tie this back to the Anthony home. Garbage bags, laundry bag, duct tape.
Going to go see if they have put up any more of the report.

[court~critic1®]

All I can say is WOW!!!


The report states that almost all of a childs body was found except for a few small bones, from the fingers and ankle. For some reason from the reports in the news paper and etc. I surmised that only a few bones were found.



Guess cindy needed to wear a lot of bangles today to show just where some of the donated money was going.

Noticed old george was being old george. Storming out of the courtroom. roflmao.

[Cynthia]

I have read what has been released of the autopsy report. We have not learned any more than what we already knew. It is pretty clear from the report that Caylee was dumped very soon after death in that area so no moving of the body once it was dumped. The duct tape is more than likely the the main reason it was called murder.

After all that time, 6 months, it is amazing that they found so many bones of the skelton.

So many items to tie this back to the Anthony home. Garbage bags, laundry bag, duct tape.
Going to go see if they have put up any more of the report.

bolded by me....

BINGO!!!!!

[boo]

I thought Cindy said there was NO hair on the duct tape?

psssst ~ Cindy lies. :wink:

[Tracian]

Howdy Ms Gert!...The duct tape really gets to me....I kept hopin she was drugged and didnt know what was happenin to her, now knowing there were no drugs make it even worse for Caylee...:crying:..

JMO

I agree...that duct tape really makes me ill...Monsterous.

So goes the 'accidental' possible defense.

[Scampi]

Page 3 -

"The duct tape was clearly placed prior to decomposition, keeping the mandible in place."

"...indicate animal activity occurring at this location after decomposition started, but before complete disarticulation of the skeleton. This indicates the body was put in this location prior to complete skeletonization. The roots growing into the vertebrae and the bags indicate the body was placed there months prior to being found. There is nothing inconsistent with the body being placed there soon after the date of being last seen alive."





From Dr. Utz's exam, page 11 -

"Attached to the hair and overlying the posterior mandible and maxilla are SEVERAL PIECES OF OVERLAPPING GRAY TAPE."

Seem the odious creature did an exemplary job of making sure Caylee's mouth was shut forever.

If I am reading this correctly, they failed to locate the hyoid bone, which could have revealed if Caylee was strangled.

[Tracian]

I thought Cindy said there was NO hair on the duct tape?

That's RIGHT! She did say that...

Sheesh...that woman!

[PROPROS]

You know, IF the Anthonys didn't know the contents of this autopsy report before today (which I don't believe for a second) -- well they do now.

Now they can STFU about themselves and THEIR needs and wants. Now they know what their precious little girl suffered -- and the report can't tell the half of it.

If they continue their media blitz they're monsters.Also, in not releasing the autopsy report, The Anthonys can state their version, like they did on LKL...It cuts down on the amount of "mistruths" they can claim as fact...IMO, they also know what Caylee was wearing when Casey took off on the night of 6/15...I have never bought GA statement that he saw them on 6/16...mo

[desmom]

Orlando Sentienl's reports seem to have more pages. I am not sure of the difference. I am off to read now.

Caylee Marie Anthony autopsy report of examination released on June 19, 2009 (36 pages)
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2009-06/47589383.pdf

Caylee Marie Anthony forensic report released on June 19, 2009 (41 pages)
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2009-06/47589408.pdf

Caylee Marie Anthony FBI laboratory report of examination released on June 19, 2009 (14 pages)
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2009-06/47589423.pdf

[Barbara fl.]

I'm actually kind of shocked. I admit I thought Alprazolam or some other drug would have been detected. No trauma to bones..
So what does this mean she smothered her?
(hate writing that)


I believe as I always believed (and hate to think) but Caylee was murdered with the tape around her head cutting off her aid supply...IMO...it probably was the first thing that Casey grabbed in a fit of anger and just rapped it around her head.....

C & G were right, this will play abig roll at the trial.....Casey will be going down for sure....and the Anthony's know it....

[ish]

At least Judge S was considerate enough not to adjust his glasses.


JMO

or laugh, I probably would have at least snickered a little,

[kOOkie1]

However, it says that products of decomposition was not found either. That may mean it was too late to detect any of these things. IMO.

Ohh i see.
Sadly, I guess I was hoping that it was an accident and she freaked. I just cant put my head into what these people are thinking.

[PROPROS]

The tape around her maxilla & mandible means it covered her jaw and cheeks. Wouldn't that mean her little nose was covered. So she could have been suffocated....:sad:It's horrible to think what that monsters hands did to that beautiful child.mo

[summer4meplz]

well now we have a new acronym TTS to go with FLB. Thanks Cindy!!


We do? TTS.....I'm just blank.....temper tantrum s...head?
the terrible shysters?

tasteless tacky stupido?

I'm not very good at acronyms....lol

[Tracian]

I have read what has been released of the autopsy report. We have not learned any more than what we already knew. It is pretty clear from the report that Caylee was dumped very soon after death in that area so no moving of the body once it was dumped. The duct tape is more than likely the the main reason it was called murder.

After all that time, 6 months, it is amazing that they found so many bones of the skelton.

So many items to tie this back to the Anthony home. Garbage bags, laundry bag, duct tape.
Going to go see if they have put up any more of the report.


I just can't shake the cadaver dogs hitting in the backyard...and that IIRC neighbors say that the A's were searching around the house before LE got there...

[Brattnt]

I was unable to hear what George was saying and the media was having something go wrong during this hearing..Will you lead me to this clip/link so I can watch it again.
Thank you, Sun

Here ya go Deanna!

http://www.wesh.com/video/19800997/index.html

[Chardonnay]

JMO, But I think this hearing was a waste, huge waste. I think da Judge had his mind already made up that he was releasing the autopsy. I just think he wanted to see GA make an azz out of himself, as well as BC and Bozo..

[Scampi]

sand from around the pool in yard??

Or from that sandbox with the cover on it that Greta pointed out in one of the interviews.

[AnnieBell]

Heh, if you don't like my opinion George once again acted like a spoiled, insensitive brat ...... don't read it. Then you won't have to spin it into something that was never said. What's with the selective reading? I've stated over and over I excuse nothing either one of them has done. Stating that I have, is yes .... twisting my words. And I have no idea why you would want to do that.


Calling George out on his behavior yet suggesting,stating,implying or whatever you choose to call it Cindy has suffered physically, mentally, emotionally or whatever because she has lost her daughter and granddaughter is somewhat troubling. George being insensitive to Cindy? He stayed a lot longer than most fathers/grandfathers would given the situation.

Since you were unable to grasp the understanding that I have not in any manner purposely twisted your words or comments. Let me state again, I have no ulterior motive. Simply responding to statements that attempt to in any manner excuse ANY INDIVIDUAL involved with this crime.

[boo]

Well, I think he did know and tried to deflect it -- "I have no idea, I haven't kept count" -- thinking that's an answer? that it wouldn't be challenged? that even a moderately intelligent person would try to put "some" estimate to it?

I can't wait for the trial. The Ants are going to try to deflect over and over and over, and they're going to be pinned down like insects pinned to a display board.

But, but... George is on the ball, Crimeq. He said so himself! :sneaky:

Thank you, Crime. It was my brother.

[Carol25]

I am still going with the theory that Casey put the duct tape over her mouth and put cotton filled with chloroform up her nose. There's no reason to put duct tape on her after she's dead and the car trunk did have chloroform gas in it.

[Kat4Eagles]

The tape around her maxilla & mandible means it covered her jaw and cheeks. Wouldn't that mean her little nose was covered. So she could have been suffocated....:sad:

Hard to say, unless more comes out at trial.
I guess Caylee's death will always be classified as a homicide by undetermined means.
That is the only thing the defense will have to work with..although, even that won't matter
Casey will never beat these charges...
She will just be a killer with undetermined means.
:sad:

Kat

[Brattnt]

I agree...that duct tape really makes me ill...Monsterous.

So goes the 'accidental' possible defense.

It makes me ill to Tracian...Now I have all kinds of things runnin through my mind as to Caylee's last minutes alive...I had really hoped she was drugged, and didnt know....:crying:

JMO

[desmom]

OMG! On page 4 http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2009-06/47589408.pdf , Oak Ridge National Laboratory did carpet and air tests with "an adult squirrel (apparently a hit-and-run victim.)"

IMO, they are definitely covering all their bases.

ETA - after reading further down on page 7...they found adipocere aka grave wax on the paper towels that were found in the trash debris from the trunk.

[Tornado]

Cindy is a Nurse!!

I think we could be surprised.... I think there was more going on in that house then we could even imagine....

moo

Sorry i am quite a few pages back but ITA. We know there are secrets and we have not even heard anything about those yet. With this autoposy report maybe it is the beginning to the end.

[Motomom]

POOR CAYLEE.....:sad:

Animals picked at her, drug her bones...this is horrible!!

Very difficult reading this. They drug her bones before they were bones too. Such a horror to know what happened to her body.

[happygert]

I wondered the same. In one of Cindy's depo (can't remember which one) she was asked who paid for Caylee's doc visits and of course she said Casey.

Yes and in her myspace page 7/3 she said she paid for everything for Caylee incuding medical bills..

[Carol25]

OMG! On page 4 http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2009-06/47589408.pdf , Oak Ridge National Laboratory did carpet and air tests with "an adult squirrel (apparently a hit-and-run victim.)"

:lol:

IMO, they are definitely covering all their bases.
Now, that is funny! When the defense tries to muddy the water with these ridiculous items, the prosecution can come back with scientific evidence that it is nonsense!

[boo]

Calling George out on his behavior yet suggesting,stating,implying or whatever you choose to call it Cindy has suffered physically, mentally, emotionally or whatever because she has lost her daughter and granddaughter is somewhat troubling. George being insensitive to Cindy? He stayed a lot longer than most fathers/grandfathers would given the situation.

Since you were unable to grasp the understanding that I have not in any manner purposely twisted your words or comments. Let me state again, I have no ulterior motive. Simply responding to statements that attempt to in any manner excuse ANY INDIVIDUAL involved with this crime.

You've been very patient, AnnieBell and have explained yourself perfectly. You don't owe anybody anything else because I think most of us, got it. :wink:

[Tracian]

It makes me ill to Tracian...Now I have all kinds of things runnin through my mind as to Caylee's last minutes alive...I had really hoped she was drugged, and didnt know....:crying:

JMO



I have been racking my brain trying to come up with a defense. Honestly, I don't see how the 'dream team' thinks remotely they will be able to get an aquittal, they may save her from the DP....but I just don't see any possiblity of aquittal.

Baez kept saying "The truth will come out" I cannot figure out any logical way that they are going to negate all the evidence.

The only possiblity, IMO, is to throw some other family member(s) under the bus...too much from where Caylee was found can be traced to the house.

[ish]

We do? TTS.....I'm just blank.....temper tantrum s...head?
the terrible shysters?

tasteless tacky stupido?

I'm not very good at acronyms....lol

sorry!!! Trashy Tabloid Shows per George

[Imperfect4]

The best thing they could do, as I keep saying, is to go home, grieve in private, and get on with their lives. Focusing on the loss of Cayley is not getting on with the healing process, it is wallowing in it and exploiting their granddaughter's memory.

It's almost like George doesn't know where the media lawyer is going with asking him about his numerous TV appearances.

Imo, they can't truly grieve without first getting honest about so many, many things that very likely led up to Caylee's murder. They can't grieve, mourn, surrender, accept, or move on without complete honesty.

Honesty is not where these people are at. Imo, they have lived the better part of their lives mired in dishonesty, so not only does the "truth hurt" in this situation, it's a foreign concept to this family.

I don't expect them to go home, turn inward, and begin the healing process anytime soon, if ever.

Whoever is giving them counsel, whether a pastor or a PhD, their attorney or friends, is either not trying to get through to them, or is having no success. Anyone in their circle who might be encouraging or enabling them to stay away from the truth is doing them a disservice.

I can't think of a more appropriate situation for that old saying, "The truth shall set you free."

imo

[norwood]

Nancy Grace should be ineresting tonight if she covers this. 36 page autopsy report will give her a ton of talking points. I can see that during the trial a lot of time will be spent by both the prosecution and the defense on this report.

[boo]

OMG! On page 4 http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2009-06/47589408.pdf , Oak Ridge National Laboratory did carpet and air tests with "an adult squirrel (apparently a hit-and-run victim.)"

IMO, they are definitely covering all their bases.

ETA - after reading further down on page 7...they found adipocere aka grave wax on the paper towels that were found in the trash debris from the trunk.

What the heck is grave wax?

[Scampi]

OMG! On page 4 http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2009-06/47589408.pdf , Oak Ridge National Laboratory did carpet and air tests with "an adult squirrel (apparently a hit-and-run victim.)"

IMO, they are definitely covering all their bases.

ETA - after reading further down on page 7...they found adipocere aka grave wax on the paper towels that were found in the trash debris from the trunk.

"Adipocere" man, that's a word from the past. Heard it for the first time during the Laci Peterson murder trial.

That LE found it on the paper towels from that trunk is huge, imo. This seals the deal that the dead body was in that trunk.

[summer]

or laugh, I probably would have at least snickered a little,

ITA! It crossed my mind he kept his eyes down so he wouldn't burst out laughing at the overwrought and phony display.

And George got more and more hysterical as he sensed he wasn't pulling off the performance of the century. He knew he was flopping big time. What a jerk.

[~jomomma~]

I believe as I always believed (and hate to think) but Caylee was murdered with the tape around her head cutting off her aid supply...IMO...it probably was the first thing that Casey grabbed in a fit of anger and just rapped it around her head.....

C & G were right, this will play abig roll at the trial.....Casey will be going down for sure....and the Anthony's know it....


yup, i think she was soooo angry that it was wrapped multiple times.

how can G&C support her?! i'll never understand that.

[boo]

Nancy Grace should be ineresting tonight if she covers this. 36 page autopsy report will give her a ton of talking points. I can see that during the trial a lot of time will be spent by both the prosecution and the defense on this report.

Isn't it a pre-recorded show tonight? We might have to wait until Monday for her to get to the autopsy results. :confused:

[True2Blues]

You know, IF the Anthonys didn't know the contents of this autopsy report before today (which I don't believe for a second) -- well they do now.

Now they can STFU about themselves and THEIR needs and wants. Now they know what their precious little girl suffered -- and the report can't tell the half of it.

If they continue their media blitz they're monsters.

They'll continue. They knew she was dead, knew she was out there somewhere and that the cycle of nature would take place, yet they refused to look for her body and tried to keep others from doing it.

Even the meanest intelligence knows that a body left out will be torn apart, eaten by animals and infested by bugs. They couldn't even bring themselves to respect Caylee enough to spare her that.

They are that cold and inhumane.

[summer]

You've been very patient, AnnieBell and have explained yourself perfectly. You don't owe anybody anything else because I think most of us, got it. :wink:

Yeah, I got it from word one. No explanations needed.

[Scampi]

What the heck is grave wax?

Also known as "grave wax," adipocere (from the Latin, adipo for fat and cera for wax) is a grayish-white postmortem (after death) matter caused by fat decomposition, which results from hydrolysis and hydrogenation of the lipids (fatty cells) that compose subcutaneous (under the skin) fat tissues.

http://www.enotes.com/forensic-science/adipocere

[~jomomma~]

OMG! On page 4 http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2009-06/47589408.pdf , Oak Ridge National Laboratory did carpet and air tests with "an adult squirrel (apparently a hit-and-run victim.)"

IMO, they are definitely covering all their bases.

ETA - after reading further down on page 7...they found adipocere aka grave wax on the paper towels that were found in the trash debris from the trunk.

i'm sorry.........what is grave wax?

ETA: nevermind....i see i'm not the only one asking heh heh

[TunaMelt]

Well she is still Caylee's grandmother and was a very large part of her life, I have no doubt the autopsy report made public will torment her ... irregardless of how many things they've done wrong in getting actual justice for Caylee. George pulling his hand away was sucky and insensitive, he knows the cameras follow his every movement .... I've felt from the start he and Casey were two of a kind. He should grow up, imo.

You assume Cindy really cares about Caylee. I have to disagree. All of that was an act, a bad act. It was all about me me me again, she just couldn't sit there and not draw attention to herself, she had to shake her head, get up to talk to Conway, shake her head some more and more, and make those nasty mouth expressions, and I'm just saying she's worried about herself (paraphrase), and that's all she cares about.

She's a bad bad woman. I don't fall for her bad acting for a minute. A second.

As for George, I agree. Grow up. He's just a spineless wimp and I wouldn't allow that kind of behavior from my own husband or grandsons.
It wouldn't be an issue, since my husband is an adult and my grandsons at age 3 and 5 have way more sense than to get up and walk out of a courtroom in a temper tantrum.

Oh, that family!
:cursing:

[boo]

"Adipocere" man, that's a word from the past. Heard it for the first time during the Laci Peterson murder trial.

That LE found it on the paper towels from that trunk is huge, imo. This seals the deal that the dead body was in that trunk.

What is it, Scamp?

[boo]

Also known as "grave wax," adipocere (from the Latin, adipo for fat and cera for wax) is a grayish-white postmortem (after death) matter caused by fat decomposition, which results from hydrolysis and hydrogenation of the lipids (fatty cells) that compose subcutaneous (under the skin) fat tissues.

http://www.enotes.com/forensic-science/adipocere

Thank you (I think... yuck!). Can you get DNA from grave wax? TIA

[5boxersmom]

What the heck is grave wax?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adipocere

[Scampi]

What is it, Scamp?

LOL, keep reading, I put the definition. This is great news for the Prosecution, imo.

[summer]

Interesting that bone from the throat was missing. Is it remotely possible that someone with medical knowledge who knew what happened actually cut that bone out before the body was tossed in the woods? So no cause of death could be determined? Just sayin'...

[norwood]

What the heck is grave wax?

It is a substance that forms from the fatty tissue during decomp. It is just part of the process of decomp.

[kOOkie1]

i'm sorry.........what is grave wax?

ETA: nevermind....i see i'm not the only one asking heh heh

Also on the paper towel small amounts of THC and cannibinol.

[Dtviewer3]

OMG! On page 4 http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2009-06/47589408.pdf , Oak Ridge National Laboratory did carpet and air tests with "an adult squirrel (apparently a hit-and-run victim.)"

IMO, they are definitely covering all their bases.

ETA - after reading further down on page 7...they found adipocere aka grave wax on the paper towels that were found in the trash debris from the trunk.

Wow....more damaging forensics!!

[A.M.]

"Adipocere" man, that's a word from the past. Heard it for the first time during the Laci Peterson murder trial.

That LE found it on the paper towels from that trunk is huge, imo. This seals the deal that the dead body was in that trunk.


And, check this out:

"Adipocere starts to form within a month after death"

http://www.deathonline.net/decomposition/body_changes/grave_wax.htm

[farrahrani]

Also on the paper towel small amounts of THC and cannibinol.


Ok, I'm not big on the science stuff, can you tell me what those other two are?

[AnnieBell]

You've been very patient, AnnieBell and have explained yourself perfectly. You don't owe anybody anything else because I think most of us, got it. :wink:

Thank you dear friend.

[ttcRider]

Isn't it a pre-recorded show tonight? We might have to wait until Monday for her to get to the autopsy results. :confused:

HLN just reported that NG will be covering todays reports.

[ish]

[[/I] I was brought up that anything more than 3 bits of jewelry is considered a no-no in polite society. But then, whoever would dare to say that Cindy belonged in polite society. jmo

maybe she's been raiding Casey's jewelry box, Casey gets wind of that there will be trouble!!!

[happygert]

It makes me ill to Tracian...Now I have all kinds of things runnin through my mind as to Caylee's last minutes alive...I had really hoped she was drugged, and didnt know....:crying:

JMO


Hi Bratnt long time no see..

I hope she didnt look into her mothers eyes wondering mommy why? I hope she was not aware of what was happening to her.. I 'm sick just thinking about what happened to Caylee... This is totally heartbreaking

[Adonna]

It is a substance that forms from the fatty tissue during decomp. It is just part of the process of decomp.

WOW gave wax on paper towel in the trunk of the car??? How horrid! That means there was extensive decomp when someone got grave wax on the paper towels and touched and moved the body!?

[Dtviewer3]

"Adipocere" man, that's a word from the past. Heard it for the first time during the Laci Peterson murder trial.

That LE found it on the paper towels from that trunk is huge, imo. This seals the deal that the dead body was in that trunk.

Huge is an understatement.

There is just no way the defense can get around all the evidence linking Casey and Caseys car to the body.

No way.

[Brattnt]

Also known as "grave wax," adipocere (from the Latin, adipo for fat and cera for wax) is a grayish-white postmortem (after death) matter caused by fat decomposition, which results from hydrolysis and hydrogenation of the lipids (fatty cells) that compose subcutaneous (under the skin) fat tissues.

http://www.enotes.com/forensic-science/adipocere

Forgive me, I'm behind, but was this grave wax found on paper towels that were takin from the trunk of Casey's car?....TIA

Thanks Scamp for the explanation!....

[farrahrani]

ok wait, i'm a little off today so if I'm wrong, help me out.

After reading the definition of grave wax, it was said to occur in cool, enclosed spaces, where there is little or no oxygen. Which is not a car trunk in FL summer.

Does that mean OC buried the baby in the yard, then dug her up, after the grave wax formed, and put her in the trunk, and dropped her in the woods? It would explain why the dogs kept hitting on teh yard.

Can someone help me out here?

[Unleashed]

I agree...that duct tape really makes me ill...Monsterous.

So goes the 'accidental' possible defense.

Couldn't she still cry 'accident' with intentional cover-up to make it look like someone else killed her?


jmo

[kOOkie1]

Ok, I'm not big on the science stuff, can you tell me what those other two are?

marijuana:confused:

[Tracian]

Couldn't she still cry 'accident' with intentional cover-up to make it look like someone else killed her?


jmo


Not if the duct tape was put on prior to death. I think it will be a tough sell.

[snap4]

Could someone please refresh my memory ...What did George claim Caylee was wearing the day he claims they left the house? The outfit that was with the body doesn't sound like that was the one George described does it? If not there's the proof that he never did see them that day!
imo

[ish]

And, check this out:

"Adipocere starts to form within a month after death"

http://www.deathonline.net/decomposition/body_changes/grave_wax.htm

"not as readily formed if the body is accessible to insects" I wonder if the double bagging kept the insects from getting on Caylee and also kept the majority of the smell and mess out of the trunk, right up til she dumped her and then as Padilla said the bags broke and Casey had to get the Laundry bag to manuever the remains out of the car with the least amout of mess.

[Adonna]

Forgive me, I'm behind, but was this grave wax found on paper towels that were takin from the trunk of Casey's car?....TIA

Thanks Scamp for the explanation!....

I feel sick to my stomach....that means Caylee was in that trunk longer than I thought or Casey went back to the body after to mess with it after extensive decomp set in. JMO :scared:

[Scampi]

Thank you (I think... yuck!). Can you get DNA from grave wax? TIA

What a great question Boo. I'm reading up and it does appear that dna can be obtained from fatty tissue, but whether it can be obtained from decomposed adipocere fatty tissue is another question.

Perhaps it was and this is why at a certain point the investigation turned from a missing child to a homicide and the OC was charged?

[Tracian]

Yes, I do assume Cindy 'cared' about Casey. I've watched countless videos and especially the prison ones got to me .... she was begging for some tidbit of information and was completely ignored. I think she lost it a long time ago, personally, but I have no doubt in my mind she loved Caylee.


Cindy IMO, loves herself and the family 'image' more than anything else.

[Sun]

READ AUTOPSY: Report Of Examination

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19801498/detail.html

thank you for finding and posting this link! Respect I have. Unlike some people that I have just witnessed in a court hearing.

[desmom]

"Adipocere" man, that's a word from the past. Heard it for the first time during the Laci Peterson murder trial.

That LE found it on the paper towels from that trunk is huge, imo. This seals the deal that the dead body was in that trunk.

I agree Scampi. :crying:

[Dtviewer3]

It is a substance that forms from the fatty tissue during decomp. It is just part of the process of decomp.

And a devestating blow to any defense.........it only correlates the death band hair evidence, and will make it much easier to use the 'air' evidence.

[boo]

Ok, I'm not big on the science stuff, can you tell me what those other two are?

THC is pot and Kenebinol (sp?) I haven't heard about in years. In fact, so many years, I don't have a clue.

[Cynthia]

Shoes were never found with Caylee.........that tells me she died inside C&G's house

[Citygirl]

I am sick to death now..I knew I would be tho so no surprise..
several pieces of duct tape wrapped around on top of each other..sick.
all the letters spelling out Big Trouble etc..sick..
her hair was tied..so still in a pony tail I guess..sick..
her Pooh blankie..sick..
I do wish they could fry this baby murderer, as I wish they could fry all baby murderers..

The Anthony's should just sit down and shut up now..they are gonna have their day in court and not just to support Casey either..
they just go about their day and don't have a clue they are diggin themselves a nice small cell too with all the lies and cover up after the fact that they have done..
on second thought..carry on Cindy and George..:thumbup: that's me adjusting my glasses George.

[5boxersmom]

Could someone please refresh my memory ...What did George claim Caylee was wearing the day he claims they left the house? The outfit that was with the body doesn't sound like that was the one George described does it? If not there's the proof that he never did see them that day!
imo

Pink shirt, blue jean shorts. White sneakers.

No shoes were found with the remains were they?

[TunaMelt]

Page 3 -

"The duct tape was clearly placed prior to decomposition, keeping the mandible in place."

"...indicate animal activity occurring at this location after decomposition started, but before complete disarticulation of the skeleton. This indicates the body was put in this location prior to complete skeletonization. The roots growing into the vertebrae and the bags indicate the body was placed there months prior to being found. There is nothing inconsistent with the body being placed there soon after the date of being last seen alive."

Oh wow.
And I bet they all knew it.

Ghouls, I tell you, ghouls.
How can you eat or drink or sleep or nap or think with Caylee in a bag, rotting, just down the street?

"She's close to Hope." Yep, KC, she was that. One lousy truth in your entire lousy life.

I think I hear the Death Penalty calling Casey Anthony's name.
:cursing::mad:

:mellow:

[boo]

HLN just reported that NG will be covering todays reports.

Woo Hoo! Another devestating blow to the defense, er I mean, Anthonys. Just not their day, is it?

Thanks ttcR

[kingfish]

I was going to have lunch, But after reading the report, I'm not very hungry now. Not even for crab puffs or pork rinds!!!! If that were my daughter....I'm sorry but, if you do the crime , you do the time. She would be going down!!!!

[Tracian]

Though we have heard much of this before, reading it is surreal.

I can understand now why the Sheriff got choked up when he gave the press conference after Caylee's remains were found.

I just don't understand how the A's could have been wining and dining while the area was searched.

[Scampi]

Forgive me, I'm behind, but was this grave wax found on paper towels that were takin from the trunk of Casey's car?....TIA

Thanks Scamp for the explanation!....

Yes it was Bratty girl!! Now we know why they didn't want this report released.

[ish]

Could someone please refresh my memory ...What did George claim Caylee was wearing the day he claims they left the house? The outfit that was with the body doesn't sound like that was the one George described does it? If not there's the proof that he never did see them that day!
imo

she may have had the same shorts she wore Fathers Day, but the top was different. you could also say that she was then alive after George last saw her, but where then are the clothes she wore that he described?

[Sun]

I think what was stressing the A's about this autopsy was it's value as a commodity to them....if it's public anyone can obtain a copy by paying the copy fee. I think it's all about money with them and I don't think they are above selling something like that if they could. A copy of the autopsy that's not released to the public would have put a few more coins in their pockets.

Perhaps that Anthonys believe that the release of the autopsy report and findings will hurt their efforts of "their foundation." The ME found nothing to place the date of death any different than the last time that Caylee was seen. ....To me, that is very, very powerful evidence.

[denjet]

All I can say is O M G !!

Here's a grid of the crime scene which helps make sense of the locations Dr G refers to:

Crime Scene Grid (http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2a9ws5z&s=5)

[5boxersmom]

she may have had the same shorts she wore Fathers Day, but the top was different. you could also say that she was then alive after George last saw her, but where then are the clothes she wore that he described?

Casey said she was wearing a blue jean skirt when she dropped her off at the apartment.

[TunaMelt]

Yes, I do assume Cindy 'cared' about Casey. I've watched countless videos and especially the prison ones got to me .... she was begging for some tidbit of information and was completely ignored. I think she lost it a long time ago, personally, but I have no doubt in my mind she loved Caylee.

Well, it's people like you who the defense will be courting for the jury.

I don't get it.
But I don't need to.

[Citygirl]

she may have had the same shorts she wore Fathers Day, but the top was different. you could also say that she was then alive after George last saw her, but where then are the clothes she wore that he described?


but george is such a liar..we don't know when he last saw her..

[Lavinia]

What the heck is grave wax?

It's body fat that gets kid of "soapy" when it breaks down.

[Adonna]

Desecration of little Caylee's remains must be on G&C if they had prior knowlege that she was in that jungle decomposing. JMO

[beachgal]

I believe as I always believed (and hate to think) but Caylee was murdered with the tape around her head cutting off her aid supply...IMO...it probably was the first thing that Casey grabbed in a fit of anger and just rapped it around her head.....

C & G were right, this will play abig roll at the trial.....Casey will be going down for sure....and the Anthony's know it....



Delurking to say that I unfortunately agree with you. The fact that she could slowly suffocate her own child this way makes her all the more hideous. Think about how long it takes a person to suffocate this way :(

[callmetree]

I believe as I always believed (and hate to think) but Caylee was murdered with the tape around her head cutting off her aid supply...IMO...it probably was the first thing that Casey grabbed in a fit of anger and just rapped it around her head.....

C & G were right, this will play abig roll at the trial.....Casey will be going down for sure....and the Anthony's know it....
i'm not so sure that maybe some of the other anthony's may go down with her....

[Lavinia]

Interesting that bone from the throat was missing. Is it remotely possible that someone with medical knowledge who knew what happened actually cut that bone out before the body was tossed in the woods? So no cause of death could be determined? Just sayin'...

If it's the hyoid bone that you're talking about, it's the one bone in the body which is "floating". It is not attached to anything else and would be "free" when the body decomposes.

[desmom]

ok wait, i'm a little off today so if I'm wrong, help me out.

After reading the definition of grave wax, it was said to occur in cool, enclosed spaces, where there is little or no oxygen. Which is not a car trunk in FL summer.

Does that mean OC buried the baby in the yard, then dug her up, after the grave wax formed, and put her in the trunk, and dropped her in the woods? It would explain why the dogs kept hitting on teh yard.

Can someone help me out here?

page 27 http://books.google.com/books?id=eesJuyXhKHoC&pg=PA27&lpg=PA27&dq=Adipocere+%2B+plastic+bag&source=bl&ots=1QrUA7NK_J&sig=4pfey6g6Rl10RKTwSCPKHhgf77k&hl=en&ei=k9Y7So3_KILcMNPhpLkO&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4 states a body placed in the ground without a coffin will form adipocere faster than a body in a coffin. Also a body placed in a plastic bag - the formation of adipocere aka grave wax is retarded, BUT a clothed body placed in a plastic bag adipocere formation was promoted.

jmo

[summer]

Couldn't she still cry 'accident' with intentional cover-up to make it look like someone else killed her?


jmo

31 days. We'll always have 31 days. :mad:

[Lavinia]

Ok, I'm not big on the science stuff, can you tell me what those other two are?

Marijuana compounds.

[darcie]

Or from that sandbox with the cover on it that Greta pointed out in one of the interviews.


If that be the case, I bet George and Cindy are going to be kicking EACH OTHER in the arse for that interview.

As i have said from day one. Those two needed to go look for their grandddaughter and zip their traps.

They did neither~~and it's time to pay the piper.

MOO

[TunaMelt]

Maybe so. Which doesn't exclude my opinion that she loved Caylee. They haven't acted in the way we would in circumstances we've never dealt with. That doesn't excuse anything. I said .......... I don't understand the logic or nonlogic to the rest of us, they're using, because I am not in their shoes and hopefully never will be. Ok, run with that .....

Use logic and reason and temper it with humanity and you should be able to figure it out, the parameters of behavior that they don't fall into at all.

Suspend disbelief and take a shot at seeing the truth, no matter if you seem to want to fill the role as resident contrarian.

[snap4]

Pink shirt, blue jean shorts. White sneakers.

No shoes were found with the remains were they?

Thank you, that is not the same outifit found with the bones. It said striped shorts not blue jeans. I haven't read anything about shoes yet but still reading.

[Lavinia]

Wow, I'm really wondering about the adipocere in the trunk.. How long WAS she in that trunk? :confused:

[summer]

If it's the hyoid bone that you're talking about, it's the one bone in the body which is "floating". It is not attached to anything else and would be "free" when the body decomposes.

Thanks so much Lavinia. My imagination was in overdrive for a minute there. :wub:

[TunaMelt]

I excused no one.

I don't presume to know what they're feeling or what logic they're using to justify what I've stated over and over were acts I think were wrong, I am not in their shoes. They lost a granddaughter, I would never want to be in those shoes. Would you??? Nah .... But spin on ... you seem to enjoy the drama and insults.

And you seem to enjoy the same.

Carry on.
Elsewhere.

:seeya:

[Adonna]

Thanks so much Lavinia. My imagination was in overdrive for a minute there. :wub:

I hope somebody gets smacked hard with time in prison for the desecration of Caylee's remains!

[TunaMelt]

LOL

Figure what out? I've stated I think Casey is guilty. What's left to figure out about the defense not really being very smart to court someone who believes she did it?

:smile:

...........

[Sun]

I agree...You notice that it was George that was chosen to speak and not Cindy...Why do you suppose that is...Maybe, because she is finally realizing that much of the public does not like her...mo

Oh, there is no doubt that she feels the it's "her" against the world. I don't quite know why she didn't speak, other than she lost her nerve to address the Judge. However, I don't think that Cindy is going to give up anytime soon, in her quest.

Judge Strickland said a few words today, that gave me a great deal of respect for him and the professional that he is. He said that he set this hearing today, "out of respect for Mr. and Mrs. Anthony."

He didn't have to hold this hearing. He knew the law. He allowed them to speak and get whatever they wanted to say, off their chests. Only George choose to speak.

[desmom]

Wow, I'm really wondering about the adipocere in the trunk.. How long WAS she in that trunk? :confused:

I think Casey used the paper towels to clean her hands after coming in contact with Caylee's body.

jmo

[Tracian]

Maybe so. Which doesn't exclude my opinion that she loved Caylee. They haven't acted in the way we would in circumstances we've never dealt with. That doesn't excuse anything. I said .......... I don't understand the logic or nonlogic to the rest of us, they're using, because I am not in their shoes and hopefully never will be. Ok, run with that .....



I don't believe that Cindy or any of the A's love in a way that is selfless and giving. I believe that 'love' to all of them is manipulation, control, and demanding.

My biggest problem with them is the lies, manipulations, and there continued attacks to everyone.

IMO, for loving Caylee so much, they certainly are not trying to get justice for her; but they have been enjoying their new celebrity.

[Lavinia]

Thanks so much Lavinia. My imagination was in overdrive for a minute there. :wub:

Easy to do in this case, summer. Those bones are often missing after decomposition. They are also pretty small in addition to being so freely moved.

[breezie]

I'd like to know which one of the 3 wrote George's little speech and was George feeling like the speech itself was a failure as a sympathy generator or was he feeling like his delivery was the failure.

He turned the tears off quickly when the Media Attorney began with her questions. You could feel the simmer of temper in his answers. :sneaky:

happy birthday to 5Boxers and to Desmom yesterday! :thumbup:

[5boxersmom]

Wow, I'm really wondering about the adipocere in the trunk.. How long WAS she in that trunk? :confused:

I have always thought from the 16th to the 24th. The gas can day.

imo

[kitty1182]

I think the day she wouldn't let GA near the trunk, is the day she went down the road, opened the trunk and tossed her baby out..:sad:

[summer]

I hope somebody gets smacked hard with time in prison for the desecration of Caylee's remains!

So if the A's knew Caylee was there the whole time they could be charged with desecration? Bring it on.

[ish]

ok wait, i'm a little off today so if I'm wrong, help me out.

After reading the definition of grave wax, it was said to occur in cool, enclosed spaces, where there is little or no oxygen. Which is not a car trunk in FL summer.

Does that mean OC buried the baby in the yard, then dug her up, after the grave wax formed, and put her in the trunk, and dropped her in the woods? It would explain why the dogs kept hitting on teh yard.

Can someone help me out here?

I wonder if anyone has checked those self storage units all over the area, could Casey have bagged up Caylee and then rented one of those units (I think they are climate controlled) till she had a chance to figure out where to dump her. Or could she have had the body in one of those big containers in the garage and moved her when Brian Burner said she had the car in the garage?

[TunaMelt]

maybe she's been raiding Casey's jewelry box, Casey gets wind of that there will be trouble!!!

It's junk jewelry.

Looks like she went on a big spree at KMart.

:rolleyes:

[Lavinia]

I think Casey used the paper towels to clean her hands after coming in contact with Caylee's body.

jmo

She would have had to have had some quantity of fat on her then, IMO. Adipocere is made in the same way they use to make soap with animal fat and lye. I'm just wondering what the lowest limit is they can find on something like a paper towel? I don't think Casey would have Caylee's *fat* on her, either. Body fluids, possibly, but *fat*? :confused: Caylee seems to have been rather decomped while still int he trunk, IMO.

[TunaMelt]

I wonder if anyone has checked those self storage units all over the area, could Casey have bagged up Caylee and then rented one of those units (I think they are climate controlled) till she had a chance to figure out where to dump her. Or could she have had the body in one of those big containers in the garage and moved her when Brian Burner said she had the car in the garage?

I'd agree ish, but those storage units cost money, and money was one thing she didn't seem to have.

[TunaMelt]

Heh, you haven't explained that yet. Imo, it wouldn't be very beneficial to court someone who believes your client guilty ....... but thanks for catching before I edited replying to the wrong post, it gives me a chance to ask it again.

:seeya:

..........

[boo]

It's body fat that gets kid of "soapy" when it breaks down.

Thanks Lavinia, that's what I hear. There are some things in this world, I was just not meant to ever know. Grave wax is one of 'em. :laugh:

[Lavinia]

I have always thought from the 16th to the 24th. The gas can day.

imo

I'm thinking maybe so too. Initially, I though she dumped her within a few days, but from this report, I'm thinking Caylee was in that trunk and decomposed for quite some time. I'm surprised people in cars next to Casey didn't smell that car.

[Postergeist]

Jumping in here folks- have viewed the court proceedings today and am now reading thru the reports, I had to stop for a moment of silence to One Adult Squirrel "apparently a hit-and-run victim" who was used for science in this case.

I would like to think the techs and scientists conducted their study with dignity, something that was not shown for little Caylee Marie-

and I'm dismayed that so long after the fact, her grandfather is asking for dignity to be shown To Them. Sadly - dignity was not given for little Caylee a year ago this month. Nor when her remains stayed week after week in the funeral home. No dignity shown when the makeshift memorials, signs, cards and crosses were vandalized and destroyed.

Is this the first time her photo in a frame was brought into the court room? Is this the first time since last year in all the court appearances that her family has uttered a word that it "was about her"? Is this the first time that Caylee's great-grandparents were mentioned?

All those TV appearances- and I don't recall the g'grands being mentioned- nor her photo in a frame.


(Forensic Report from Oak Ridge Nat'l Lab in TN page 4 of 41, handwritten page 6554)

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2009-06/47589408.pdf

[Stella Rose]

Why does she wear so much!!!! It is horrible looking.

She obviously has never heard CoCo Chanel's famous advice for women: When you get completely ready for the day, go back and remove one thing. Then you are ready.

Then again, with all that junk on, she might have removed something! Sorry about 10 pages behind and I had to snark on Cindy's tacky jewelry.

[Lavinia]

Thanks Lavinia, that's what I hear. There are some things in this world, I was just not meant to ever know. Grave wax is one of 'em. :laugh:

Remember when Granny Clampett used to make lye soap? Real similar process to adipocere.

[Scampi]

I think the day she wouldn't let GA near the trunk, is the day she went down the road, opened the trunk and tossed her baby out..:sad:

I'm starting to believe that was the day also, Sis.

[TunaMelt]

She would have had to have had some quantity of fat on her then, IMO. Adipocere is made in the same way they use to make soap with animal fat and lye. I'm just wondering what the lowest limit is they can find on something like a paper towel? I don't think Casey would have Caylee's *fat* on her, either. Body fluids, possibly, but *fat*? :confused: Caylee seems to have been rather decomped while still int he trunk, IMO.

Oh, Lavinia.
:huh:

That's what I thought months ago, and it was talked about that she could have been in the trunk for 10-12 days (like till the 27th or some date that was significant).

What do you think?

[ish]

Thank you, that is not the same outifit found with the bones. It said striped shorts not blue jeans. I haven't read anything about shoes yet but still reading.

the striped shorts are the ones Caylee is wearing the video of Caylee and Casey playing, Casey has very short hair. I have also heard that (but no pic) Caylee wore those shorts on Father's Day. I have seen a photo of Caylee wearing the Big trouble comes in small packages shirt, but can't remember where.

[Cynthia]

She would have had to have had some quantity of fat on her then, IMO. Adipocere is made in the same way they use to make soap with animal fat and lye. I'm just wondering what the lowest limit is they can find on something like a paper towel? I don't think Casey would have Caylee's *fat* on her, either. Body fluids, possibly, but *fat*? :confused: Caylee seems to have been rather decomped while still int he trunk, IMO.

Tripled bagged in a trunk during the summer months wouldn't take long I wouldn't think. Horrible to know what that baby went through.

[summer]

Jumping in here folks- have viewed the court proceedings today and am now reading thru the reports, I had to stop for a moment of silence to One Adult Squirrel "apparently a hit-and-run victim" who was used for science in this case.

I would like to think the techs and scientists conducted their study with dignity, something that was not shown for little Caylee Marie-

and I'm dismayed that so long after the fact, her grandfather is asking for dignity to be shown To Them. Sadly - dignity was not given for little Caylee a year ago this month. Nor when her remains stayed week after week in the funeral home. No dignity shown when the makeshift memorials, signs, cards and crosses were vandalized and destroyed.

Is this the first time her photo in a frame was brought into the court room? Is this the first time since last year in all the court appearances that her family has uttered a word that it "was about her"? Is this the first time that Caylee's great-grandparents were mentioned?

All those TV appearances- and I don't recall the g'grands being mentioned- nor her photo in a frame.


(Forensic Report from Oak Ridge Nat'l Lab in TN page 4 of 41, handwritten page 6554)

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2009-06/47589408.pdf

I hear the report said the squirrel was "road kill" which I was relieved to hear. I'm glad they mentioned that little factiod because I was feeling the same way as you.

[Tracian]

I have a problem with lies, manipulations and attacks too.

I've never agreed with anything the Anthony's have done, so what your problem is with me you should just take to CW. I'm tired of all the spin.


I have no problems with you; I thought we were having a discussion. You stated that you believe that Cindy really loved Caylee, I am saying that IMO, Cindy does not know how to love positively.

[kanzz]

My day has gotten crazy and I'm running so far behind! This is my first look-see on here since right after the hearing this morning.
Just started reading the Report of Examination. I'm only on page 3, and I'm already impressed with seeing the duct tape info with it's relationship to the mandible and maxilla.
Such a great day for info and it'll take me til well into the night to catch up! grr

[Lavinia]

Oh, Lavinia.
:huh:

That's what I thought months ago, and it was talked about that she could have been in the trunk for 10-12 days (like till the 27th or some date that was significant).

What do you think?

Something broke down (decomposed) and broke down but good to get adipocere on paper towels in the trunk, IMO. IMO, it was no couple/few days, but a week, at least.

[Unleashed]

Not if the duct tape was put on prior to death. I think it will be a tough sell.

Sorry, I asked the question before I read everything. The day will come when I stop doing that. :blushing:

JMO

[TunaMelt]

I'm thinking maybe so too. Initially, I though she dumped her within a few days, but from this report, I'm thinking Caylee was in that trunk and decomposed for quite some time. I'm surprised people in cars next to Casey didn't smell that car.
:ohmy:
Death penalty mentality. If she could drive around with her baby in the trunk of the car, and live her life like she did -- give her the needle. Or two.

Monster woman.
:mad:

[TunaMelt]

marijuana:confused:

And her friends said dear KC didn't use drugs much at all.
:rolleyes:

[Daffny]

Wow!! 300 people reading this forum - so many different opinions on different things... can someone please post a quick catch up as to what everyone is talking about? Where was the grave wax found? I think i'm missing something... TIA

[Lavinia]

Tripled bagged in a trunk during the summer months wouldn't take long I wouldn't think. Horrible to know what that baby went through.

Horrible is right. Absolutely no dignity even in death. (You're right, she would have decomped fast in that climate there, but thought maybe she had disposed of Caylee within a couple/few days and now I'm thinking she was in the trunk a bit longer than that.)

[Tracian]

Sorry, I asked the question before I read everything. The day will come when I stop doing that. :blushing:

JMO



LOL...I am guilty of the same thing...especially in passionate cases.

[boo]

I think the day she wouldn't let GA near the trunk, is the day she went down the road, opened the trunk and tossed her baby out..:sad:

Me too, Kitty. Wouldn't that mean she was in the trunk from 6/15 or 6/16 up until 6/28 or so? 2 weeks in a hot florida trunk would not be a good thing, however, it would explain the smell in the car being so strong and why no amount of airing it out would help.

[AnnieBell]

Yes, I do assume Cindy 'cared' about Casey. I've watched countless videos and especially the prison ones got to me .... she was begging for some tidbit of information and was completely ignored. I think she lost it a long time ago, personally, but I have no doubt in my mind she loved Caylee.

If Cindy cared for Casey why didn't she hold her accountable for the lies and stealing? Why didn't she get Casey the help that was so desperately needed? Don't you think that if Cindy had behaved as a responsible and loving parent and dealt with most of these issues along time ago that Caylee just might have had a fair chance of a life? Perhaps Cindy did care for Casey in her own sick twisted way.

[Lavinia]

:ohmy:
Death penalty mentality. If she could drive around with her baby in the trunk of the car, and live her life like she did -- give her the needle. Or two.

Monster woman.
:mad:

If that's not a DEPRAVED mind, I don't know what is!!! :cursing:

[Sun]

they didn't find the hyod (spelling) bone? isn't that usually valuable in determining strangulation or choking to death? i've seen Baden say that damage to that bone is a sure sign of strangulation.

I noticed that too. Hyoid ....and I imagine that this was one that they were really hoping to find. That could explain why they put in a huge number of hours searching.

[trich]

Grave wax, or adipocere, is a crumbly white, waxy substance that accumulates on those parts of the body that contain fat - the cheeks, breasts, abdomen and buttocks. It is the product of a chemical reaction in which fats react with water and hydrogen in the presence of bacterial enzymes, breaking down into fatty acids and soaps. Adipocere is resistant to bacteria and can protect a corpse, slowing further decomposition. Adipocere starts to form within a month after death and has been recorded on bodies that have been exhumed after 100 years. If a body is readily accessible to insects, adipocere is unlikely to form.

[Adonna]

IIRC didn't Casey buy large package of paper towel at Target? I wonder if they match up with the same brand of paper towel from the trunk( if LE) looked into that as evidence.

[trich]

Notice it starts to form a month after death.

[norwood]

With the discussion of the car again, I am wondering where that car is now. I can't remember if LE ever returned it to the Anthony family or if they are holding it as evidence.

Knowing now what we know about that trunk I can not imagine anyone wanting to keep that car. I wouldn't.

[boo]

Remember when Granny Clampett used to make lye soap? Real similar process to adipocere.

Now cut that out! You trying to get me to admit I'm older than dirt? :sneaky: (Yes, I remember. lol)

[Tracian]

Notice it starts to form a month after death.

Does that depend on temp and other conditions?

[KittyMom]

I saw on the news that the autopsy report was release. I've quickly read thru and noted that the duct tape covered the nasal area and the mouth. Did anything else happen that I've missed today?

[ish]

She obviously has never heard CoCo Chanel's famous advice for women: When you get completely ready for the day, go back and remove one thing. Then you are ready.

Then again, with all that junk on, she might have removed something! Sorry about 10 pages behind and I had to snark on Cindy's tacky jewelry.

in Cindy's case i would recommend she remove that "puss from her face" but I'm thinking it goes pretty deep.

[AnnieBell]

Dang, you guys are fast. I'm having difficulty accessing the report so you guys are my eyes right now. Question, If there was body wax found in the trunk wouldn't that mean Caylee's body was left there up to the point when Casey ditched it?

[cassidy]

On days like today, when the Anthony's show such visible anger to the world, I wonder if they ever pause for a moment and wonder who they should be truly angry with? I wonder if they go back to that little sad house on HopeSpring Dr and hear faint echoes of a little girl's laughter and look in the mirror and place some of the blame on themselves. I wonder if they wish they could turn the clock back and make Casey accountable for all of the lies she told them before she hit them with the biggest lie of all. I wonder if they wonder if they will ever again find peace in their lives. I wonder if they will ever be able to put the blame for Caylee not being with them where the blame belongs.

JMO

[KittyMom]

I noticed that too. Hyoid ....and I imagine that this was one that they were really hoping to find. That could explain why they put in a huge number of hours searching.

Is that bone formed in a child this young?

[Lavinia]

Now cut that out! You trying to get me to admit I'm older than dirt? :sneaky: (Yes, I remember. lol)

Oh see, I just watch it on Nick at Night reruns before I go to my high school classes. :wink:

[Scampi]

I think it was either 6/24 the day george caught her at the house and attempted to go to the trunk, or 6/27 the day she abandoned the car at Amscot and told Amy she had scrapped off the dead thing on the frame of the car, that she put Caylee's body in that swamp.

[Imperfect4]

Several pieces of duct tape. :cursing:

Got to me reading 2 teeth found. I don't know why but that part brought tears to my eyes.

imo

Seeing her name in the upper left corner of the report did the same. :sad:

[Lavinia]

Notice it starts to form a month after death.

Under what conditions though trich?