Don't call Barbara Boxer ma'am

[Lady_Jean_La]

http://www.examiner.com/x-2888-World-News-Examiner~y2009m6d18-Dont-call-Barbara-Boxer-maam

Senator Barbara Boxer of California has been taped at a recent hearing displaying a vainglorious attitude that is unbecoming of a senator, let alone, a lady;

[flareon]

I saw that clip. All Boxer did was show how petty she can be and it reflected badly on her.

I would understand her reaction if the person had been demeaning, but he was being respectful and for her to chastise him the way she did was beyond contemptible.

[MaybytheBay]

I guess the Senator doesn't have much savoir faire to military protocal and conduct. I suspect the Brig. General was addressing her by such protocal and respectful conduct.
I thought she came across as condescending to the high ranking officer, and probably would have been far more civilly and respectfully mannered to bring it to his attention in private if she felt entitled to supremacy.
Bluntly rude of her.

[GentleBreeze]

Career Military man here.....I agree 100%. I wish he would have responded with 'yes ma'am':wink:

Well that is exactly what I have done.:smile: I really think it is sooo foolish when someone is offended when it is said to be respectful. I think this country needs a whole lot more respect in it. Like from Boxer. lol Now that would be nice.

We say "yes ma'am" and "yes sir" in the South and we are dam*ed proud that we were taught to respect others. Long history of military in my family but they already had the 'yes ma'am" "yes sir" down pat before they got there.:wink:

imo

[Lady_Jean_La]

Well, I just listened to a program discussing this incident. The General prior to the video clip had addressed Senator Boxer, three times as 'Madam Chair', he also addressed men as 'Senator' or 'Sir' and another woman as 'Senator' and 'Ma'am'.

An expert in protocol said it is customary to address people by their title once, then use Sir or Ma'am.

imo

[Charms]

I would never call her ma'am. And neither would the hundreds of Katrina survivors she insulted when they were transported to the Superome and she insinuated they were better off living there!!

No, I would never call her ma'am, that is a word of respect.

[sinagua]

It reminds me of Cartman on South Park.

Barbara Boxer told the general to call her Senator, instead of ma'am.

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/06/17/please-call-me-senator/

This after the capitol hill aide was highly ridiculed on the Internet for lambasting a gentleman that called her Liz.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI-ficXX_ag

Can't we just get over ourselves? I mean, really, these 2 women need to get a life. MOO

[Gloworm]

I was completely disgusted by her "request."
Who does she think she is? She is a servant of the people not Queen Bee, and certainly not anyone who should feel she has the right to lord it over a General who has given his LIFE to the military for her freedoms.

[Details]

She is the person the people of California chose to represent them, and as such, it's reasonable for her to ask for her proper title.

She wasn't rude or obnoxious - and unless she refused to call the General "General" - I don't see the issue.

[YoYo]

OMG - total arrogance and ignorance ............all wrapped up in one statement:

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=14067925&ch=4226716&src=news

[YoYo]

A few comments here:

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=355061

[fastpitch]

I would have called her Barb.

I have been around many elected officials and none insisted on being called by their elected office.

What is a man to do? He called her "ma'am."

She reminds me of someone who was a nobody in HS and she is still not over it.

[YoYo]

I would have called her Barb.

I have been around many elected officials and none insisted on being called by their elected office.

What is a man to do? He called her "ma'am."

She reminds me of someone who was a nobody in HS and she is still not over it.

I would call her something that starts with a "b," but it wouldn't be Barb. :) (He probably did too under his breath.) MO

[penguin01]

It reminds me of Cartman on South Park.

Barbara Boxer told the general to call her Senator, instead of ma'am.

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/06/17/please-call-me-senator/

This after the capitol hill aide was highly ridiculed on the Internet for lambasting a gentleman that called her Liz.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI-ficXX_ag

Can't we just get over ourselves? I mean, really, these 2 women need to get a life. MOO
Plenty of great comments on Barbara Boxer - but really - that poor "Liz" person (sorry - I mean Elizabeth) needs to be hospitalized, IMO. My goodness - the poor thing can't accept an apology and get on with business. I hope her boss sends her away for a very, very long rest where the public won't have to deal with her. Unacceptable!!

[Not Telling]

I see absolutely nothing wrong with Senator Boxer's request to be addressed by her title while in the workplace...

She made a polite request, she explained why she made the request, and said "thank you"...nothing obnoxious, rude or demanding about that...


Would anyone begrudge an MD from being addressed as Doctor while they were on the job?

[Not Telling]

I see absolutely nothing wrong with Senator Boxer's request to be addressed by her title while in the workplace...

She made a polite request, she explained why she made the request, and said "thank you"...nothing obnoxious, rude or demanding about that...


Would anyone begrudge an MD from being addressed as Doctor while they were on the job?

[GentleBreeze]

Well, I just listened to a program discussing this incident. The General prior to the video clip had addressed Senator Boxer, three times as 'Madam Chair', he also addressed men as 'Senator' or 'Sir' and another woman as 'Senator' and 'Ma'am'.

An expert in protocol said it is customary to address people by their title once, then use Sir or Ma'am.

imo

Title? Good grief. Next they will want people to bow down before them.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

I swear its a mental disorder in Government. I think Boxer and Lizzy need to a course in American History. We don't have royalty.

If anyone needs a little of that intense interrogation (of which we dare not speak), it's these two.


And before you roll out the hollow indignation...I'm kidding.

IMO

What kind of pompous people have we created? They work for all the people yet they want to be addressed by their elite title?

Some sure seem to obsess about such foolish trivial things that don't mean diddly squat in the grand scheme of things.

I can see why he would have addressed her as Ma'am, she is older. I think Barbara is close to 70 and most are taught to be respectful to their elders.

imoo

[Not Telling]

I would never call her ma'am. And neither would the hundreds of Katrina survivors she insulted when they were transported to the Superome and she insinuated they were better off living there!!

No, I would never call her ma'am, that is a word of respect.


It was Barbara Bush not Senator Boxer who insulted Katrina survivors..

[incidentally]

I see absolutely nothing wrong with Senator Boxer's request to be addressed by her title while in the workplace...

She made a polite request, she explained why she made the request, and said "thank you"...nothing obnoxious, rude or demanding about that...


Would anyone begrudge an MD from being addressed as Doctor while they were on the job?

I found her very rude.

I'm not sure "begrudge" is the appropriate word to use when comparing a doctor to a senator. Becoming a senator does not require much but votes which I believe we all know how easy it can be to be "voted in"

http://www.ehow.com/how_2305762_become-senator.html

In part, to be eligible for senator one must only be,

U.S. citizenship for at least nine years upon being elected, Residency in the state which will be represented, Be at least 30 years old.

[Not Telling]

Would any MD call out someone in public for not calling him "Doctor"?

If he did he would look like a pompous fool.

As Barbie Boxer did, IMO!

:smile:

I worked 25+ years in the medical field, and YES! an MD would call out someone in public for not calling him "Doctor"... I've seen and heard much, much worse that makes condemning someone for requesting to be addressed by their title absolutely ridiculous... One of the doctors was so bad he had to apologize to the hospital staff at least once a month for his bad behavior, temper tantrums, foul language and for throwing surgical instruments at the staff... Some of the MDs became good friends and in private or away from work I would call them by their first name, but I never ever addressed them as anything but "Doctor" when in the presence of a patient...

[Not Telling]

I found her very rude.

I'm not sure "begrudge" is the appropriate word to use when comparing a doctor to a senator. Becoming a senator does not require much but votes which I believe we all know how easy it can be to be "voted in"

http://www.ehow.com/how_2305762_become-senator.html

In part, to be eligible for senator one must only be,

U.S. citizenship for at least nine years upon being elected, Residency in the state which will be represented, Be at least 30 years old.

What exactly did she say that was very rude?

If a person has met the requirements needed to earn a title, no matter how easy or hard, they have the right to request that they be addressed by it...

Some titles are earned simply by being born or marrying....that does not make them any less worthy of their title...

[incidentally]

What exactly did she say that was very rude?

If a person has met the requirements needed to earn a title, no matter how easy or hard, they have the right to request that they be addressed by it...

Some titles are earned simply by being born or marrying....that does not make them any less worthy of their title...



I believe you have no understanding of what happened. This post of your's, seems to prove my point.

Regards,

tally

[incidentally]

Not Telling,

I don't mean to disrespect you. I re-read my posts to you and realize they came across that way. Although I don't agree with your opinion on what happened, I apologize for being rude.

I'm having a hard time right now and I think that came through in my posts. That is not an excuse but a hope you will understand.

tally

[Lady_Jean_La]

What exactly did she say that was very rude?

If a person has met the requirements needed to earn a title, no matter how easy or hard, they have the right to request that they be addressed by it...

Some titles are earned simply by being born or marrying....that does not make them any less worthy of their title...

The general addressed her as "Madam Chair" which is her title as head of the committee. He replied to her question as "Yes ma'am". Others on the committee he addressed as Senator and replied to them as "Sir" or "Ma'am". imo

[Lady_Jean_La]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/19/sen-boxer-offers-apology-rebuking-brigadier-general-called-maam/

Aside from a briefly worded statement about a "friendly" conversation she had with Brig. Gen. Michael Walsh after dressing him down for calling her "ma'am," Boxer remained silent Friday in the face of growing calls for her to apologize.

[Not Telling]

Was Barb Boxer in the presence of a patient? Give me a break. This General wasn't her employee - if anything, since he was a voter, Barbie was His employee!!!

My first wife was an Anesthetist and I've been around many, many doctors. Never saw one pompous enough to demand to be called "Doctor" and if one had I, for one, would have told him to take a hike.

They had more class than that, unlike Barbie Boxer.

:smile:

If you want to discuss who is who's employee...
Since the Senator is a taxpayer, she contributes to the funding of the DOD...(his paycheck)
As a Senator she votes on approval of DOD funding... (his paycheck)

[Not Telling]

Not Telling,

I don't mean to disrespect you. I re-read my posts to you and realize they came across that way. Although I don't agree with your opinion on what happened, I apologize for being rude.

I'm having a hard time right now and I think that came through in my posts. That is not an excuse but a hope you will understand.

tally

Thanks, Tally and no hard feelings!

[Not Telling]

I believe you have no understanding of what happened. This post of your's, seems to prove my point.

Regards,

tally

You might be right....

Cause.....I really don't understand what is wrong or what the big deal is with someone requesting that they be addressed by their title...

[Not Telling]

This post and the other you made about responding to her with "yes, ma'am" had me ROFLMBO!!! Thanks for the levity.

As for the remarks about docs (not by you deepblu_c), what???? I have many clients that are docs and they always introduce themselves using their first and last names without using Doctor. In fact, if I call them Dr. whatever, they admonish me and say, "My name is _____" using their first name.

Just to clarify...

I specifically stated, "I see absolutely nothing wrong with Senator Boxer's request to be addressed by her title while in the workplace"...

Were your clients on duty and working at the time they introduced themselves and said to use their first name?

Most doctors don't want to advertise or be called "Doctor" in public when they are off duty and not working...


I really don't understand what is wrong or the big deal with someone requesting that they be addressed by their title while they are working...

[Carol25]

I see absolutely nothing wrong with Senator Boxer's request to be addressed by her title while in the workplace...

She made a polite request, she explained why she made the request, and said "thank you"...nothing obnoxious, rude or demanding about that...


Would anyone begrudge an MD from being addressed as Doctor while they were on the job?
Not Telling, I would agree with you if she would have said that before the session, but not to interrupt someone when they are speaking. I wonder what she would had done if the General had interrupted her train of thought when she was speaking?

In that particular moment she was rude. She could have waited until he was done speaking. Then let her ego get the best of her.
:wink:
I just wish he would have stopped her and said, "Please, I was talking." :smile:

[R~O~S]

In dealing with the public daily, I've found the least offensive way of addressing any client is either "sir" or "Ma'am", and yet I've on numerous occasions gotten the client who will interrupt me mid sentence and in a huff express, you can address me as ...... They have a further need to explain why "ma'am" is "disrespecting" of me to them.

As a professional, there is no debate. I have an obligation to apologize and despite the fact that I speak with about 150 clients a day I must make every effort to alter my speech while trying to convey very detailed and complicated financial information without slipping up in the course of the conversation by either addressing them in the fashion they've expressed they find insulting or forgetting some nuance of the information I'm conveying because I'm focused on not slipping up on the title.

I happen to think getting the information right is more important, especially when the general public would agree the designation is not intended as anything other than respectful. But, it's not my call.

These people are always women, they're never polite and they're rarely able to comprehend the information I'm conveying or to put together a grammatically correct sentence. But, they have the right to demand they be addressed as they wish.

I see no reason why a woman who's attained a position and title doesn't have the same right especially when she's willing to use the appropriate titles for whomever she's speaking with.

It's amazing how the general public believe they can act in any way they like because it won't end up on the evening news, but they're full of criticisms for the folks that spend their entire lives being monitored by news cameras and reporters.

[R~O~S]

I would call her something that starts with a "b," but it wouldn't be Barb. :) (He probably did too under his breath.) MO


A woman who's good in business is a Biotch, a man accomplished in business is a good businessman. I have no doubt the Senator has learned to appreciate the title just like every other woman who's persevered in the business world.

[Casecase]

Aren't the military normally trained to show respect by saying "yes ma'am, yes sir" to superior officers? Since when is ma'am or sir a sign of disrespect? If he had called her by her first name, that's a different story, but he used a term of respect.


IMO

[YoYo]

A woman who's good in business is a Biotch, a man accomplished in business is a good businessman. I have no doubt the Senator has learned to appreciate the title just like every other woman who's persevered in the business world.

Sorry, I disagree. I know a lot of women in business that I do not consider to be Biotchs, and rudeness is rudeness regardless of the gender. MO

[Not Telling]

Aren't the military normally trained to show respect by saying "yes ma'am, yes sir" to superior officers? Since when is ma'am or sir a sign of disrespect? If he had called her by her first name, that's a different story, but he used a term of respect.


IMO

I'm not aware of anyone saying that "ma'am" or "sir" is a sign of disrespect...

[dref99]

What exactly did she say that was very rude?

If a person has met the requirements needed to earn a title, no matter how easy or hard, they have the right to request that they be addressed by it...

Some titles are earned simply by being born or marrying....that does not make them any less worthy of their title...

An interesting article which includes the comment
Using an incorrect title “is not a great crime, it’s a small one,” Martin said, adding that she doubts Congress members who are wrongly addressed would “do anything but smile.” “If [a Congress member] were to insist upon a title, I think a lot of people would say, ‘Oh, he’s gotten a little too big for his britches,’ ” she said.

http://www.etiquetteadvocate.com/news.asp

It is not an insult to be called Ma'am - quite the opposite and the equivalent of calling a man Sir - Polite and respectful of the position.

jmo

[kanzz]

Well, I just listened to a program discussing this incident. The General prior to the video clip had addressed Senator Boxer, three times as 'Madam Chair', he also addressed men as 'Senator' or 'Sir' and another woman as 'Senator' and 'Ma'am'.

An expert in protocol said it is customary to address people by their title once, then use Sir or Ma'am.

imo

He was perfectly correct - socially, politically, and militarily.

She was out of line and made a spectacle of herself.

There are far more Senators than there are Brig Generals. In my opinion, he outranks her in a big way. Perhaps she was intimidated by his position.

At any rate - to Ms. Boxer: Methinks thou doth protest too much, ma'am. Get over your Hoidy Toidy self.


Hank Williams Jr. has already addressed this in lyric: "We say grace and we say ma'am; if you ain't into that, we don't give a damn."

[Not Telling]

An interesting article which includes the comment
Using an incorrect title “is not a great crime, it’s a small one,” Martin said, adding that she doubts Congress members who are wrongly addressed would “do anything but smile.” “If [a Congress member] were to insist upon a title, I think a lot of people would say, ‘Oh, he’s gotten a little too big for his britches,’ ” she said.

http://www.etiquetteadvocate.com/news.asp

It is not an insult to be called Ma'am - quite the opposite and the equivalent of calling a man Sir - Polite and respectful of the position.

jmo

Who said "ma'am" is an insult?

[bearwds]

Who said "ma'am" is an insult?

***********************************

My former superiors.

I was dressed down and told in no uncertain terms that using "ma'am", Mr., or Ms., (Miss, Mrs.) was an insult and demeaning. Condescending.

Instead, the preferred was to use the person's first name.

Coming from a former Marine background, I was astounded to hear this. Of course, my first name was used in this conversation.

This was rather astounding to me but I remembered who signed my paycheck.


bearwds

[Lady_Jean_La]

Hi Not Telling -- Under normal circumstances I would agree with you on this -- at first I thought it may have been construed as "sexism" but after listening to the video and the scenario in which it happened -- I really think it was uncalled for. The General is not in an environment that he usually frequents. I would be curious though to know if the General referred to the male Senators as sir or senator .....

http://www.politico.com/blogs/anneschroeder/0609/Barbara_Boxer_Call_me_senator.html

The general referred to others as Senator when addressing them and Sir or Ma'am when replying to questions. imo

[MagicGarden]

Let her know how you feel about this:


http://boxer.senate.gov/contact/

[MagicGarden]

Let her know how you feel.

http://boxer.senate.gov/contact/

[Not Telling]

He was perfectly correct - socially, politically, and militarily.

She was out of line and made a spectacle of herself.

There are far more Senators than there are Brig Generals. In my opinion, he outranks her in a big way. Perhaps she was intimidated by his position.

At any rate - to Ms. Boxer: Methinks thou doth protest too much, ma'am. Get over your Hoidy Toidy self.


Hank Williams Jr. has already addressed this in lyric: "We say grace and we say ma'am; if you ain't into that, we don't give a damn."




The number of general officers (brigadier generals) on active duty in the Army, Air Force, and Marine Corps,
and the number of flag officers on active duty in the Navy:
(1) Army, 302.
(2) Navy, 216.
(3) Air Force, 279.
(4) Marine Corps, 80.

[Not Telling]

She contributes OUR money. He is no employee of hers. That's completely false. They both work for the gov't, which works for us.

Are you saying Senator Boxer does not pay taxes???

[R~O~S]

Sorry, I disagree. I know a lot of women in business that I do not consider to be Biotchs, and rudeness is rudeness regardless of the gender. MO

As do I, it doesn't change the fact that when they do have the need to exercise their authority that's the tag their given. It isn't that they are the final word & it's their job to make the call, it's that they're a Biotch.

A man on the other hand doesn't have such judgments made, they are the boss and his authority to make the call isn't criticized in such a personal way.

Disagree all you like, it won't change the reality.

[ExArkie]

Nothing wrong with the Senator wishing to be addressed in a specific way. It was the public forum she used to do so that I object to. This could have been done is a "discrete" way. Most military people from privates to generals, use the term "Sir" or "Ma'am" to address any and all ranks above themselves. There was NO need to embarrass the General - and show arrogance/ignorance, IMHO!:rolleyes:

[Not Telling]

Nothing wrong with the Senator wishing to be addressed in a specific way. It was the public forum she used to do so that I object to. This could have been done is a "discrete" way. Most military people from privates to generals, use the term "Sir" or "Ma'am" to address any and all ranks above themselves. There was NO need to embarrass the General - and show arrogance/ignorance, IMHO!:rolleyes:

If the General was embarrassed by Senator Boxer's request to address her as Senator, he needs to grow some thicker skin.... jmo

[Lady_Jean_La]

Barbara Boxer has been in politics for decades and senator for many years. I have to wonder what brought this on now? This isn't the first time someone replied - yes ma'am. And she has called her superiors ma'am. imo

[Amy S.]

"All men are created equal."

Boxer needs to relax.

I was a teacher. I did not expect other adults to call me Mrs. N______.

I can't figure out what is wrong with calling someone ma'am or sir.

[incidentally]

Nothing wrong with the Senator wishing to be addressed in a specific way. It was the public forum she used to do so that I object to. This could have been done is a "discrete" way. Most military people from privates to generals, use the term "Sir" or "Ma'am" to address any and all ranks above themselves. There was NO need to embarrass the General - and show arrogance/ignorance, IMHO!:rolleyes:

Yes, if she found "Ma'am" to be disrespectful or not worthy of her esteemed (self) importance, she could have handled it in a dignified manner. Instead, to me, it came across as arrogant, unnecessary, rude and lacking in decorum.

[ABC]

He was perfectly correct - socially, politically, and militarily.

She was out of line and made a spectacle of herself.

There are far more Senators than there are Brig Generals. In my opinion, he outranks her in a big way. Perhaps she was intimidated by his position.

At any rate - to Ms. Boxer: Methinks thou doth protest too much, ma'am. Get over your Hoidy Toidy self.


Hank Williams Jr. has already addressed this in lyric: "We say grace and we say ma'am; if you ain't into that, we don't give a damn."

Good laugh and a terrific post.:thumbsup:

[ABC]

He was perfectly correct - socially, politically, and militarily.

She was out of line and made a spectacle of herself.

There are far more Senators than there are Brig Generals. In my opinion, he outranks her in a big way. Perhaps she was intimidated by his position.

At any rate - to Ms. Boxer: Methinks thou doth protest too much, ma'am. Get over your Hoidy Toidy self.


Hank Williams Jr. has already addressed this in lyric: "We say grace and we say ma'am; if you ain't into that, we don't give a damn."

Good laugh and a terrific post.:thumbsup:

[YoYo]

As do I, it doesn't change the fact that when they do have the need to exercise their authority that's the tag their given. It isn't that they are the final word & it's their job to make the call, it's that they're a Biotch.

A man on the other hand doesn't have such judgments made, they are the boss and his authority to make the call isn't criticized in such a personal way.

Disagree all you like, it won't change the reality.

Surely you don't think men aren't criticized just as harshly as women. This is 2009 - not 1969.

[vonna]

I see absolutely nothing wrong with Senator Boxer's request to be addressed by her title while in the workplace...

She made a polite request, she explained why she made the request, and said "thank you"...nothing obnoxious, rude or demanding about that...


Would anyone begrudge an MD from being addressed as Doctor while they were on the job?

If being called ma'am shows disrespect why she did use that term with Condy Rice when she questioned her? Double standard????

[Not Telling]

The General pays taxes, too.

Does that make him his own employee?

:confused:

You tell me....

[Not Telling]

If being called ma'am shows disrespect why she did use that term with Condy Rice when she questioned her? Double standard????

Who said being called "ma'am" shows disrespect?

I sure didn't....

[dinojen]

I think the General does deserve an apology.. it's the way Boxer said it...it wasn't necessary. She sounded so snarky.. don't see the issue .. he could of called her dollface...lol.:rolleyes: then again maybe not..lol

[Lady_Jean_La]

In formal settings there should be accepted protocol and I think there is and the general was observing it.

We can't have order and over 500 representatives being addressed as they prefer. Senator Boxer indicates she has worked hard for her title as if others haven't.

Can you imagine...don't call me Sir call me Bob...don't call me Ma'am call me Miss. Please call me Mister...call me Chairman...call me Subcommittee vice chair...call me.....

[Carol25]

Let her know how you feel.

http://boxer.senate.gov/contact/

Email done! Thank you!

[Not Telling]

I was completely disgusted by her "request."
Who does she think she is? She is a servant of the people not Queen Bee, and certainly not anyone who should feel she has the right to lord it over a General who has given his LIFE to the military for her freedoms.

What has he done for her freedoms?? He's a civil engineer working in the Army Corp. of Engineers and has never fought in combat... What does he do that is worth his pay of over $10,000/month plus benefits including housing allowance?

[Casecase]

What has he done for her freedoms?? He's a civil engineer working in the Army Corp. of Engineers and has never fought in combat... What does he do that is worth his pay of over $10,000/month plus benefits including housing allowance?


He may not have served on the front lines in Baghdad, but seeing as how he was there prior to going to Mississippi in 2008, I think he deserves some credit.

http://www.mvd.usace.army.mil/mrc/about/bio.php?b=1


IMO

[Lady_Jean_La]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/18/barbara-boxer-call-me-sen_n_217564.html

Was the officer out of line?

[Native on LI]

Let me get this right, she told a member of the United States Armed Forces that she worked hard. She was talking to a general she has not worked half as hard as a private. In the past I have had people ask that I not call them mam, while I respect the wish to be called anything you want, I had to inform them I was taught and raised to say no mam, yes sir. To do anything less than what I have been taught to do would be disrespecting those who taught me.

[Tracian]

She was being confrontational.

I am sure the General is not wounded for life because of it, but it does speak to Boxer's character.

[Tracian]

The general referred to others as Senator when addressing them and Sir or Ma'am when replying to questions. imo


Thanks for that bit of information. I only have seen the clip in regards to Boxer's objection to the term.

[kanzz]

The number of general officers (brigadier generals) on active duty in the Army, Air Force, and Marine Corps,
and the number of flag officers on active duty in the Navy:
(1) Army, 302.
(2) Navy, 216.
(3) Air Force, 279.
(4) Marine Corps, 80.

I stand corrected. Thanks for the 411.

[kanzz]

Good laugh and a terrific post.:thumbsup:

aw shucks. thank you.

:blushing:

[kanzz]

She was being confrontational.

I am sure the General is not wounded for life because of it, but it does speak to Boxer's character.

Very nicely put. and - she interrupted his response to be confrontational. grr

[YoYo]

<snip>

Me thnks it's time to move on to a REAL issue.

<snip>


MO

Buh bye :laugh:

[MercedesV]

You got a link for any of those ridiculous statements or do you just like to hear yourself talk?

:confused:

Links have been provided on these boards before, but here are some:

Rusty DePass, a prominent South Carolina Republican activist, is now apologizing for making a racist joke about Michelle Obama, and taken down the Facebook page where he made it -- though he does make sure to shift the blame and say that Michelle started it.

DePass commented on a story about a gorilla escaping from a local zoo: "I'm sure it's just one of Michelle's ancestors - probably harmless."

"I am as sorry as I can be if I offended anyone," said DePass. "The comment was clearly in jest."

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/06/south-carolina-goper-apologizes-for-calling-michelle-obama-a-gorilla----and-says-she-started-it.php

Of course it was just a joke, that makes it alright why?

Then there was this gem where the person hasn't figured out that their mistake wasn't using the wrong email list. Be sure to look at the picture in the link as well. From the link I quote:

Some of you may recall from last week, this little racist gem from Rusty DePass, a GOP activist from South Carolina who referred to an escaped gorilla as an ancestor of Michelle Obama. And now, from the state of Tennessee, we bring you the Obama "Spook" photo e-mailed from a GOP Senator's office -- on an official state e-mail account, no less:

Sherri Goforth, a legislative staffer working for Sen. Diane Black, a Gallatin Republican, confirmed to Nashville Is Talking that she sent around an email depicting portraits of all the U.S. presidents — but on the last slot, where Barack Obama should be, there is just an empty black spot with two eyes (see right).

http://crooksandliars.com/logan-murphy/latest-gop-racial-outrage-tn-sen-dian

And then about Dr. Tiller. There were plenty of articles with comments afterward that I can't find now. But here is one that states he deserved to die, not too uncommon a reaction by some folks. From the link I quote:

To answer your question—Did George Tiller deserve to die? Yes. But I would hesitate to say that in public because I could end up on one of DHS’s lists of potential terrrrrrrists.

http://www.takimag.com/sniperstower/article/re_did_george_tiller_deserve_to_die/

[Lady_Jean_La]

I think there has been much outrage over the issues you mention mercedesV. Perhaps the reason we do not hear it all is because some of those specified in or impacted by the comments chose to ignore them - unlike one who complains about every comment made - even in jest.

This issue is really a little comic relief - highlighting the stupidity of being concerned with "titles" when there are so many more important issues to be addressed.

jmo

Exactly! :wub:

[Carol25]

Got my reply from Babs, lol! She said she called the General and reiterated her respect for him, (note... she did not aplogize) and how she looks forward to working together in the future.

There must be a pamphlet on how to cure "foot in mouth disease" when they enter the hallowed halls.

[Lady_Jean_La]

Got my reply from Babs, lol! She said she called the General and reiterated her respect for him, (note... she did not aplogize) and how she looks forward to working together in the future.

There must be a pamphlet on how to cure "foot in mouth disease" when they enter the hallowed halls.

Thanks for the information, that is about what I would expect. But it is great you received a reply.

Kudos to you!:thumbsup:

[Lady_Jean_La]

Zachary Coile, Boxer's communications director, said Monday that the senator had spoken with Walsh after the hearing and that the general wasn't offended by Boxer's request.

"They had a very friendly conversation," Coile said. "They reiterated their respect for each other and how much they look forward to working together in the future. Senator Boxer has tremendous respect for our men and women who serve in the military, including General Walsh."

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics/AP/story/1108810.html

[Lady_Jean_La]

http://www.sacbee.com/opinion/story/1974802.html

We were going to list here our "Top 10 Reasons Not to Call Barbara Boxer Ma'am." But since Boxer herself repeatedly called then-Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice "Madam Secretary" during a confrontation over the Iraq war in 2007, we are going to list only nine reasons to call her senator. They are:

[kanzz]

Forgive me if this has already been covered.

I emailed Boxer a day or two after her faux pas. Received what I think is a canned response:


Dear Friend:

Thank you for contacting me regarding the recent Senate hearing with Brigadier General Michael Walsh. I appreciate hearing from you on this matter.

Shortly after the hearing, I called General Walsh, and we had a friendly and productive conversation. We expressed our respect for one another and our determination to work together to protect our nation and communities from natural disasters.

Thank you again for writing to me. Please feel free to contact me in the future about this or any other issue of concern to you.

Barbara Boxer
United States Senator