Calif. girl and boyfriend arrested in mom's murder

[GentleBreeze]

http://www.abc3340.com/news/stories/0609/632893.html

EL DORADO HILLS, Calif. - A 14-year-old girl and her boyfriend were arrested Wednesday as suspects in the murder of the girl's mother, who was found stabbed in her northern California home, authorities said. Tylar Witt and Steven Colver, 19, were taken into custody by San Bruno police at a Red Lobster restaurant about 15 miles south of San Francisco, said El Dorado County Sheriff's Department Capt. Craig Therkildsen.

[GentleBreeze]

http://www.smh.com.au/world/girl-14-and-boyfriend-arrested-over-mothers-death-20090618-cj3s.html

June 18, 2009 - 4:40PM
A 14-year-old girl and her boyfriend were arrested on Wednesday as suspects in the murder of the girl's mother, who was found stabbed in her northern California home, authorities said.

Link with photos

[Anakerie]

Here's another link.. This one is more or less the "local" newspaper for this area...
http://www.sacbee.com/topstories/story/1956534.html?storylink=omni_popular

[Tracian]

Well I am glad that they caught the little cretins.

[Anakerie]

They're discussing this now on Prime News (HLN)...

[iluvmua]

Can they charge the 14- year old as an Adult?

[september]

Here's another link.. This one is more or less the "local" newspaper for this area...
http://www.sacbee.com/topstories/story/1956534.html?storylink=omni_popular

Thanks for the link Anakerie, more info in this story. Does this remind anyone else of Sara Johnson? The picture of the girl shows me a lot of attitude. The poor mom. Any idea if dad is in the picture?

[joolz]

OMG, when are parents going to learn NOT to believe what they are told by their teenaged kids? There are so many red flags all over this story, from "she dated older guys" to "she told her mother he was gay," to "her mother didn't call authorities because the daughter said she was in love."

In LOVE? FGS!!!! She is FOURTEEN and having sex with a nineteen yr old in her mother's home!

I'm sorry in advance if I sound furious at the poor mom - I'm not. My hearts just breaks for a woman who tried to placate her daughter in order to keep her close, only to pay with her life for her leniency. And I'm just angry in general that these same brutal crimes keep happening and that kids seem to feel as entitled to killing their parents as adults like Scott Peterson or Casey Anthony do to kill their wives and children. jmo:angry::sad:

[sunstar]

Can they charge the 14- year old as an Adult?

Good question! I think it's 16 but I'm not sure. :shrug: I'll see if I can find anything. MOO

[GentleBreeze]

Thanks for the link Anakerie, more info in this story. Does this remind anyone else of Sara Johnson? The picture of the girl shows me a lot of attitude. The poor mom. Any idea if dad is in the picture?

It reminds me of another case too and now I have forgotten their names but it was a girl and her older boyfriend and her family was against the relationship. I cant even remember if they killed the mom or dad or both but I do remember she left with him after the killing and they were on the run together for a few days before they caught them.

These type of teen killers seem to be more and more often.

A lot of parents are in extreme danger from their own children. How heartbreaking.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

Can they charge the 14- year old as an Adult?

Yes, if one is 14 or an older teen they can be tried as an adult in CL.

imo

[Tracian]

It reminds me of another case too and now I have forgotten their names but it was a girl and her older boyfriend and her family was against the relationship. I cant even remember if they killed the mom or dad or both but I do remember she left with him after the killing and they were on the run together for a few days before they caught them.

These type of teen killers seem to be more and more often.

A lot of parents are in extreme danger from their own children. How heartbreaking.

imo



There was one here in CA a daughter and her boyfriend killed her mother, the girl 'claimed' she was kidnapped when they were caught..and that case in the Midwest...that girl that killed her parents, CTV covered the case.

[GentleBreeze]

There was one here in CA a daughter and her boyfriend killed her mother, the girl 'claimed' she was kidnapped when they were caught..and that case in the Midwest...that girl that killed her parents, CTV covered the case.

Thanks, Tracian.

Unfortunately there seems to be way too many of these kind of murders in the past couple of years or so and all their names just blur together sometimes.

[juliekan]

OMG, when are parents going to learn NOT to believe what they are told by their teenaged kids? There are so many red flags all over this story, from "she dated older guys" to "she told her mother he was gay," to "her mother didn't call authorities because the daughter said she was in love."

In LOVE? FGS!!!! She is FOURTEEN and having sex with a nineteen yr old in her mother's home!

I'm sorry in advance if I sound furious at the poor mom - I'm not. My hearts just breaks for a woman who tried to placate her daughter in order to keep her close, only to pay with her life for her leniency. And I'm just angry in general that these same brutal crimes keep happening and that kids seem to feel as entitled to killing their parents as adults like Scott Peterson or Casey Anthony do to kill their wives and children. jmo:angry::sad:

Read some of the comments after the story. :ohmy:

http://www.sacbee.com/topstories/story/1956534.html?storylink=omni_popular

I bet the daughter did it.

[iluvmua]

If they try Tylar as a juvenile then she will be out by age 25.

If she had a hand in this murder then I say try her as an adult.

[Adalena935]

Read some of the comments after the story. :ohmy:

http://www.sacbee.com/topstories/story/1956534.html?storylink=omni_popular

I bet the daughter did it.

Very sad situation. I was thinking this didn't happen overnight. A law enforcement officer once said to me that there's no place in society for someone like this. Society holds murder the most serious crime with harshest punishments for a reason.

[Marcia3]

Read some of the comments after the story. :ohmy:

http://www.sacbee.com/topstories/story/1956534.html?storylink=omni_popular

I bet the daughter did it.

Thanks for the tip on some of the comments. Of course you can't put too much stock in what people write anonymously on a website unless they can provide links, but some of those comments were very interesting, even if they are only partly true.

What a sickening tragedy, and not the first (or last) time this has happened. When will these kids figure it out? Your teenage years are only one part of your life. Eventually you grow up and leave your parents home...then find out that life in the real world is not all that you thought it would be! :wink:

Why kill when you can just wait it out? I just don't understand...

[dref99]

OMG, when are parents going to learn NOT to believe what they are told by their teenaged kids? There are so many red flags all over this story, from "she dated older guys" to "she told her mother he was gay," to "her mother didn't call authorities because the daughter said she was in love."

In LOVE? FGS!!!! She is FOURTEEN and having sex with a nineteen yr old in her mother's home!

I'm sorry in advance if I sound furious at the poor mom - I'm not. My hearts just breaks for a woman who tried to placate her daughter in order to keep her close, only to pay with her life for her leniency. And I'm just angry in general that these same brutal crimes keep happening and that kids seem to feel as entitled to killing their parents as adults like Scott Peterson or Casey Anthony do to kill their wives and children. jmo:angry::sad:

You do sound mad at the Mum - it just seems on these boards Mum's get blamed for everything - they are too soft, too lenient, too hard, too caring, too uncaring etc etc. We are told it is just great to be a working Mum, everyone should have a career - but it is terrible to neglect our children. Women must find their own place in society - but must spend time loving and nurturing their children.

Mums are expected to be all things to all people and you just cannot. Mum's implode and it seems the consequences are then felt by the Mum, the child and/or other family members. Family tragedies of any kind are unbelievable but between a parent and a child, whether it be the child killing the parent or the parent killing the child, are the saddest reality of the modern era. Blaming one or the other to the exclusion of all else always seems pointless to me. A family murder is the final devestating event in a failed relationship. Always a reminder as to how close are love and hate.

jmo

[joolz]

You do sound mad at the Mum - it just seems on these boards Mum's get blamed for everything - they are too soft, too lenient, too hard, too caring, too uncaring etc etc. We are told it is just great to be a working Mum, everyone should have a career - but it is terrible to neglect our children. Women must find their own place in society - but must spend time loving and nurturing their children.

Mums are expected to be all things to all people and you just cannot. Mum's implode and it seems the consequences are then felt by the Mum, the child and/or other family members. Family tragedies of any kind are unbelievable but between a parent and a child, whether it be the child killing the parent or the parent killing the child, are the saddest reality of the modern era. Blaming one or the other to the exclusion of all else always seems pointless to me. A family murder is the final devestating event in a failed relationship. Always a reminder as to how close are love and hate.

jmo

If you read the entire post you would have noticed that I do not "blame one side or the other to the exclusion of all else." Do I blame the mother for making what seems to be a series of poor, permissive choices in raising her daughter? Yes. Do I blame the daughter and the boyfriend - if their guilt is proven - for killing? Yes.

But chiefly, my anger is directed towards a pervasive attitude in our society that is demonstrated in these killings: Got a problem? Kill it.

It's fine to wax poetic about the demands of motherhood, family tragedies, and the thin line between love and hate (a somewhat overused cliche, imo). But do you have an opinion on this case, based on what you've read so far?

[lunchlady]

Reminds me somewhat of the Caffey murders in Texas. The only things that explain that crime are stupidity, selfishness, and shortsightedness. The sheriff now says that Erin, the 16 year old who is now in prison until she's 57, is evil inside.
If guilty I hope Tylar sits in prison for at least that long. Spend her entire youth and then some in a cage.

What a dorky pimply dude- goes to show how blind and boy crazy a 14 year old girl can be. She looks like an especially arrogant adolescent, who made sure she had her makeup on for her photo. She showed her mom who's boss, huh?

Seems to me the mom was trying to do the right things, but her daughter wanted to come out on top and get her way no matter what. I don't think a parent should not try to discipline and limit their kids just because the kid might be cuckoo enough to kill them. You have to try and do a good job.

Did the little temptress meet her Prince Charming online? Her next chance to use a computer will probably be one of those prison "pen pal" sites

[joolz]

Reminds me somewhat of the Caffey murders in Texas. The only things that explain that crime are stupidity, selfishness, and shortsightedness. The sheriff now says that Erin, the 16 year old who is now in prison until she's 57, is evil inside.
If guilty I hope Tylar sits in prison for at least that long. Spend her entire youth and then some in a cage.

What a dorky pimply dude- goes to show how blind and boy crazy a 14 year old girl can be. She looks like an especially arrogant adolescent, who made sure she had her makeup on for her photo. She showed her mom who's boss, huh?

Seems to me the mom was trying to do the right things, but her daughter wanted to come out on top and get her way no matter what. I don't think a parent should not try to discipline and limit their kids just because the kid might be cuckoo enough to kill them. You have to try and do a good job.

Did the little temptress meet her Prince Charming online? Her next chance to use a computer will probably be one of those prison "pen pal" sites

Caffey, thank you - that's the case I was trying to remember that this reminds me of. I don't know enough about this situation to really judge, but IMO, a mom has to be at least oddly naive to allow a 19 yr. old boy to move in when she is raising a 14 yr. old girl - even if the girl claims the 19 yr. old is gay. jmo

[lunchlady]

Caffey, thank you - that's the case I was trying to remember that this reminds me of. I don't know enough about this situation to really judge, but IMO, a mom has to be at least oddly naive to allow a 19 yr. old boy to move in when she is raising a 14 yr. old girl - even if the girl claims the 19 yr. old is gay. jmo

Yes, I agree. I think I would say NO, but perhaps the kid seemed nice enough and she wanted to be nice to a poor kid without a place to stay. Some parents really want to believe their kids and will go against their better judgment to show trust, but obviously that was the wrong decision here. At 14 perhaps Tylar didn't yet have a pattern of lying and getting caught at it, but that seems unlikely. Mom might not have believed her sweet little daughter was sexually active either, but obviously that was wrong too.
The age is a particularly stupid one. It seems that young "love" is so determined to be taken seriously that they ignore all red flags and warnings. And become devious to get their way.
This girl won't have a second parent to help look after her interests unless the Daddy materializes like the Huckaby dad. I hope their few days on the run seemed a lot less romantic than she imagined.

[lunchlady]

http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_12651355

Prince Charming charged.

http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/crime/archives/2009/06/murder-charge-f.html

Another photo of Prince Charming, in an orange jumpsuit. Bleh.

This guy really took the jail bait.

[dref99]

If you read the entire post you would have noticed that I do not "blame one side or the other to the exclusion of all else." Do I blame the mother for making what seems to be a series of poor, permissive choices in raising her daughter? Yes. Do I blame the daughter and the boyfriend - if their guilt is proven - for killing? Yes.

But chiefly, my anger is directed towards a pervasive attitude in our society that is demonstrated in these killings: Got a problem? Kill it.

It's fine to wax poetic about the demands of motherhood, family tragedies, and the thin line between love and hate (a somewhat overused cliche, imo). But do you have an opinion on this case, based on what you've read so far?

Through what you said above - you blame the mother for her "poor choices". Saying you are not doing something - does not necessarily make it true. Perhaps there are reasons to blame the mother - my comments explain that is doesn't matter what she did or did not do - some people will find blame in her actions.

I have no idea why the mother made these choices - I do know that a teenage girl can look at her mother with great big round eyes and LIE about almost anything - while claiming she is definitely telling you the truth. We try to shield children from stress, so should not be surprised when they act in a similar manner towards us.

My opinion on the case is that it is a family tragedy (as I have already stated) - for whatever reasons the lass and the boy thought things would be better without the Mum. Somewhere along the line they certainly got that wrong - life is never better without the Mum - and that isn't "waxing poetically" that is reality. Their lives ended with the Mother's death - at such young ages that is its own tragedy.

jmo

[joolz]

Through what you said above - you blame the mother for her "poor choices". Saying you are not doing something - does not necessarily make it true. Perhaps there are reasons to blame the mother - my comments explain that is doesn't matter what she did or did not do - some people will find blame in her actions.

I have no idea why the mother made these choices - I do know that a teenage girl can look at her mother with great big round eyes and LIE about almost anything - while claiming she is definitely telling you the truth. We try to shield children from stress, so should not be surprised when they act in a similar manner towards us.

My opinion on the case is that it is a family tragedy (as I have already stated) - for whatever reasons the lass and the boy thought things would be better without the Mum. Somewhere along the line they certainly got that wrong - life is never better without the Mum - and that isn't "waxing poetically" that is reality. Their lives ended with the Mother's death - at such young ages that is its own tragedy.

jmo

Fine, you think she is blameless, I think she was blind to reality. You think the daughter was trying to shield her mother from stress when she told her that the kid she was sleeping with was gay? That's one heck of a stretch, IMO. If you want to parse words, fine: I do blame the mother for her poor choices, but not for her own death. Please do not confuse the two issues.

You obviously feel sorry for the "lass and the boy," I don't feel sorry for them at all; and in my book, they forfeited the right to be called such benign, cutesy names when they became murderers. Mum unwittingly made choices that led to her tragic death, and that is sad. Lass and Boy made conscious choices that led to them killing her, and that is evil. This all supposes that they are guilty, of course, and if that is the truth, then lives are over because they are killers, at such young ages. jmo

[Jayne]

Calling the kettle black? WHAT is up with this.

NO matter how much that mother tried..she obviously wasn't getting across to her child. Is that her fault? Maybe..could she afford public assistance with family counseling? Could she confront her child? Some of you have no idea of the parental abuse that goes on these days.

Parents are expected to protect their children...but are children expected to protect their parents? NOPE. They can call 911 in a heartbeat..and probably get the parent "in trouble". If a parent calls 911..they're considered a WEAK person..can't handle it..the child is taken from the home..and WHAT parent really? would want their child taken away? Kids don't get it...they think they have the upper hand..and THEY DO..in many senses.

I don't know what happened here..but NO parent deserves being killed by their own offspring..it's hideous...UNLESS..UNLESS..the parent was ABUSIVE..as in self defense. Respect seems to have disappeared from the dictionary. I'd have never done ANYTHING against my parents..unless it was "close to death"..which..THAT would have never happened. Brought up well..with respect, compassion, etc. These days..don't blame the parents, it's not all their fault..blame 911..CPS..a kid can call in his parent for a simple spanking...WHO is in control? I"m sorry..but I think it has gone overboard..it leaves so many parents without any possibility of "control" over the household..unless they PAY for family counselling..so when the cops are called..there is a "record"? Believe me..it happens.

jmo

J

[dref99]

Fine, you think she is blameless, I think she was blind to reality. You think the daughter was trying to shield her mother from stress when she told her that the kid she was sleeping with was gay? That's one heck of a stretch, IMO. If you want to parse words, fine: I do blame the mother for her poor choices, but not for her own death. Please do not confuse the two issues.

You obviously feel sorry for the "lass and the boy," I don't feel sorry for them at all; and in my book, they forfeited the right to be called such benign, cutesy names when they became murderers. Mum unwittingly made choices that led to her tragic death, and that is sad. Lass and Boy made conscious choices that led to them killing her, and that is evil. This all supposes that they are guilty, of course, and if that is the truth, then lives are over because they are killers, at such young ages. jmo my bolding

Do not put words into my mouth that I did not say - Children learn to lie to "keep the peace" at home - parents are usually the ones attempting to generate a "stress free" home (an impossible situation in any environment). I have absolutely no idea as to the home life of the girl - but she obviously knew having a 19 year old boyfriend would be unacceptable - so she lied.

If the children plotted and carried out this death they have forfeited the rest of their lives for no sensible reason but it does not mean they have forfeited being described as what they are.

It also means that the reality of "Romeo and Juliet" is alive and well - society tends to talk about, make movies about, play songs about etc etc the wonders of young love, true love etc etc and then balk at what happens when young people believe what they see and hear. The girl was too young to realise the love of parents is worth more than any other, and I have no idea what the young man thought he was going to achieve - he was obviously not thinking with his brain.

Because I do not use words such as little cretins, dorky pimply dude, evil, killers, murderers or In LOVE? FGS!!!! does not mean I see this as anything other than a most horrible crime - but I can also see it as a family tragedy and relationships gone terribly wrong. A large percentage of crime discussed on these boards relate to family issues. If we could find solutions other than "lock everyone up for life" things may get better.

As mentioned by Jayne - parents have lost many old tools of "control" they need something to replace them with, without calling in the ever increasing roles of government agencies related to our families.

jmo

[GentleBreeze]

Calling the kettle black? WHAT is up with this.

NO matter how much that mother tried..she obviously wasn't getting across to her child. Is that her fault? Maybe..could she afford public assistance with family counseling? Could she confront her child? Some of you have no idea of the parental abuse that goes on these days.

Parents are expected to protect their children...but are children expected to protect their parents? NOPE. They can call 911 in a heartbeat..and probably get the parent "in trouble". If a parent calls 911..they're considered a WEAK person..can't handle it..the child is taken from the home..and WHAT parent really? would want their child taken away? Kids don't get it...they think they have the upper hand..and THEY DO..in many senses.

I don't know what happened here..but NO parent deserves being killed by their own offspring..it's hideous...UNLESS..UNLESS..the parent was ABUSIVE..as in self defense. Respect seems to have disappeared from the dictionary. I'd have never done ANYTHING against my parents..unless it was "close to death"..which..THAT would have never happened. Brought up well..with respect, compassion, etc. These days..don't blame the parents, it's not all their fault..blame 911..CPS..a kid can call in his parent for a simple spanking...WHO is in control? I"m sorry..but I think it has gone overboard..it leaves so many parents without any possibility of "control" over the household..unless they PAY for family counselling..so when the cops are called..there is a "record"? Believe me..it happens.

jmo

J

Unfortunately, Jayne, I think you are right. The control to all the turmoil that may go on in some homes seems to be coming from the offspring with the parents struggling to make peace with children who will not compromise. From some of these children there seems to be no love,compassion, understanding, respect or honor given to the parents. It is as if the child or children is in full control inside the family home and when things like this happens it was simply because the child saw the parent or parents as obstacles in their path so they removed their preconceived obstacle so they can make it all about them and their wants and desires.

I am sure this mother like most all mothers wanted to believe in her child. The daughter may have told her a sad story about the guy had no place to go. The daughter lied to her mother about the guy being gay to manipulate her into getting what she wanted. Imo, many parents fall trap to the manipulation game their children may play. I don't blame her at all. I grieve that she too has become another victim due to juveniles who see murder as an acceptable route to take. There seems to be way too many of these type of murders lately and I have no doubt that it will continue.

Some of these parents are treated as doormats and the only purpose they seem to have for some of these children is to fulfill every whim they may have. I have seen more and more of society's children drastically change where no love, respect or even a moment of kindness or appreciation is shown to the parents who sacrifice so much for their children.

It is like these particular children have become to feel nothing useless it is all about THEM THEM THEM.:sad:

I read an article not to long ago that stated the number one reason for divorce was due to conflicts about the children. Sad.

imo

[lunchlady]

The mom has been dead one week now, and the kids have begin their long careers as jailbirds. What a stupid crime. Did these two really think they would live happily ever after? I suppose they only thought about the first few days of being able to be together without mom interfering and didn't think about after that. Too much detail.
The shortsightedness is really astounding. I guess that's one of things parents are supposed to try and protect their children from, but this parent is no longer around to try and steer her offspring.

I've been wondering lately if the lack of responsibility modern kids have is some part of the problem. They are indulged and protected and helped so much, but they don't really appreciate it- it just gives them an unrealistic view of adult life and how others might treat them.

I know a 20 year old who is totally failing to do anything at all and keeps trying to stay at his parents' house. Everything is too hard, or doesn't pay enough, or isn't cool enough, etc etc. He wasted thousands of dollars of his parents' money going to college for a year and did almost nothing but take drugs and lie about his grades. He had the nerve to suggest that his parents allow him to sell drugs out of their house and then he'd have plenty of money. He is probably going to force them to change the locks and call the police when he shows up at their door, and harden their hearts to his pleas of homelessness etc. This guy is unusually creepy, but his sense of entitlement isn't so unusual these days.

[fastpitch]

I would have had to wonder how my 14 YO, even knew a man that was 19.

With the advent of Internet and cell phones it is so much easier for kids to communicate with whomever they want to.

It is a struggle to keep up with them. But, I always attempted to stay just one step behind my DD. I checked her Myspace and it had to be public. No private sites. She knew I was looking. She knew I checked her phone.

Most teens, you can discipline by taking the phone or computer away. Unfortunately, this young lady appears to be evil. MOO

Have her relatives made any statements?

[lunchlady]

http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/crime/archives/2009/06/teen-accused-of.html

The fun begins for Tylar.

http://cbs13.com/local/tylar.witt.court.2.1054402.html

Same info, one new picture of Tylar.

How many months before Tylar loses her attitude and realizes that she made the wrong decision? Another week? Ten years? In 25 years she'll still be under 40 and could go out and get a new guy and have babies. Doesn't seem right.

[joolz]

http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/crime/archives/2009/06/teen-accused-of.html

The fun begins for Tylar.

http://cbs13.com/local/tylar.witt.court.2.1054402.html

Same info, one new picture of Tylar.

How many months before Tylar loses her attitude and realizes that she made the wrong decision? Another week? Ten years? In 25 years she'll still be under 40 and could go out and get a new guy and have babies. Doesn't seem right.

Exactly my thoughts - I hope she gets the upper end of the 25-40 yr. sentence. Every time I think about Karla Homolka having a child it makes me ill. And before anyone leaps on me, no I don't think Tylar is just like Homolka - but I do think they are from the same subhuman species. jmo

[joolz]

http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/crime/archives/2009/06/teen-accused-of.html

The fun begins for Tylar.

http://cbs13.com/local/tylar.witt.court.2.1054402.html

Same info, one new picture of Tylar.

How many months before Tylar loses her attitude and realizes that she made the wrong decision? Another week? Ten years? In 25 years she'll still be under 40 and could go out and get a new guy and have babies. Doesn't seem right.


Hey LL, want to make any predictions about how Tylar looks next time she appears in court with counsel?

I'm thinking: hair dark (probably the natural color), pulled up in a ponytail. No makeup, no jewelry except a gold cross on a thin chain. Peter Pan collar blouse in white or light blue, a navy straight skirt just above knee length, flat ballerina shoes. If it's cooler, a boxy jacket that goes with the skirt or a dark cable-knit cardigan. What do you think?

[lunchlady]

Hey LL, want to make any predictions about how Tylar looks next time she appears in court with counsel?

I'm thinking: hair dark (probably the natural color), pulled up in a ponytail. No makeup, no jewelry except a gold cross on a thin chain. Peter Pan collar blouse in white or light blue, a navy straight skirt just above knee length, flat ballerina shoes. If it's cooler, a boxy jacket that goes with the skirt or a dark cable-knit cardigan. What do you think?

Oh I LOVE thinking about courtroom appearance outfits! Unfortunately for Miss Tylar her mom can't go shopping for her or bring any clothes from home. Personally I'd rather she go in with her wrong-shade makeup and defiant pout and whatever tacky clothes she had on when she was arrested, but perhaps someone will bring her more appropriate attire.
I like the Catholic schoolgirl look myself, without the Britney Spears touches and pigtails. Long ugly cardigan over the whole thing, the frumpier the better. Saddle shoes, if you can still find them nowadays. I think a single braid in the back would be demure. She has to look super sad too, which is going to be tough for her IMO. I bet Tylar's still mad at her Mom and telling herself its all Mom's fault that poor Tylar's in this predicament. "If she'd just left us alone it would all be fine!"

[lunchlady]

http://www.news10.net/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=61723&provider=top

Tylar charged with murder. New photos of Prince Charming, looking less defiant. Several videos in link.

[joolz]

http://www.news10.net/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=61723&provider=top

Tylar charged with murder. New photos of Prince Charming, looking less defiant. Several videos in link.

Did you read the comments under the article? Not much sympathy for Tylar.:sneaky:

[GentleBreeze]

http://www.news10.net/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=61723&provider=top

Tylar charged with murder. New photos of Prince Charming, looking less defiant. Several videos in link.

Well that is very good news. My faith has been renewed somewhat in the last couple of years. There was a time where some of the DAs wouldn't charge one of the co-conspirators or they gave them a sweetheart deal to testify against the other one and many times those co-conspirators were the ones who had urged the other one to do away with the victim in the first place or participated in the actual murder, themselves.

Both are equally guilty and I hope they both get the maximum punishments allowed.

imo

[joolz]

Well that is very good news. My faith has been renewed somewhat in the last couple of years. There was a time where some of the DAs wouldn't charge one of the co-conspirators or they gave them a sweetheart deal to testify against the other one and many times those co-conspirators were the ones who had urged the other one to do away with the victim in the first place or participated in the actual murder, themselves.

Both are equally guilty and I hope they both get the maximum punishments allowed.

imo


ITA GentleBreeze. To me, it really doesn't matter who talked who into doing what: if at fourteen or nineteen you don't know that killing is wrong, you are a danger, period, and you shouldn't be out in the world in contact with other humans.

I think that we as a society are trying to find a balance in dealing with young killers, and it's not easy; unfortunately, the rise in numbers of this type of case has given the judicial system plenty to work with in terms of figuring out how to handle them. I also think the judge should recuse himself from this case since he is friends with the grandparents. jmo

[lunchlady]

The article mentioned something about Tylar being released to her family. What family I wonder? And why? I will be surprised if that happens, but I didn't expect OJ to be acquitted either.

I would be terrified to bring an angry girl like this into my home, even if she couldn't directly blame me for Prince Charming's legal woes and keeping her away from him. Boo hoo. Even if she was good for a few months I predict that a new older boyfriend would materialize soon and the whole thing would start again. No thanx.

Some girls like older boyfriends because they more often have cars and money and so on and it all makes them feel more grownup and sexy than their less "mature" female peers.

[dgfred]

I also think the judge should recuse himself from this case since he is friends with the grandparents. jmo

snipped respectfully

Wow, he sure should.

[lunchlady]

Wonder which set of grandparents the judge is friends with... Hope the grandparents aren't silly enough to think they can control Tylar. They might have gone to visit her and just imagine the show she put on for them.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iVknkphy-NypX0ZeToSStNcVVNzwD99044QG0

Adult status being discussed. This took months in the Caffey case and Erin was 16. Wonder how long they will take to make a decision in this case.

[joolz]

Wonder which set of grandparents the judge is friends with... Hope the grandparents aren't silly enough to think they can control Tylar. They might have gone to visit her and just imagine the show she put on for them.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iVknkphy-NypX0ZeToSStNcVVNzwD99044QG0

Adult status being discussed. This took months in the Caffey case and Erin was 16. Wonder how long they will take to make a decision in this case.

Have we learned anything about Colver's prior history and/or legal troubles? We already know the lovely Tylar has a prior charge of assaulting her own mother.:mad:

[dgfred]

Just the comments at the end of that article previously posted, which claim he was a 'swell' dude before he met this girl.

[SunnySideUp]

Another bratty teen who kills his/her parents(s) beause they're not getting their way. Incredible.

[Casspian]

Read some of the comments after the story. :ohmy:

http://www.sacbee.com/topstories/story/1956534.html?storylink=omni_popular

I bet the daughter did it.

Kind of my thinking. Lots of comments from others who knew the guy and all that I read were positive about him, some say part of the news coverage is not correct, i.e., that they never told her mother he was gay. Lots of past conflict between mother and daughter? I don't know if it's on this story, but one comment talks about how the mom and daughter seemed to be using the guy - strange.

[Themis]

That article from the Sacramento Bee newspaper is several days old.

Here is an updated article from the Sacramento Bee from Monday, June 22.

Note that Judge James R. Wagoner also disclosed he is acquainted with the teen's grandparents, serving with them in the same charitable organization. Wagoner also indicated that the grandparents were in court. He said, though, that the relationship will not affect his ability to fairly judge the case.

Having done volunteer work with several charities I know that you can be 'acquainted' with another volunteer but not really know much about them. One is not *friends* with them. In any event, a defense attorney can, and probably will, challenge Judge Wagoner presiding over the case. That challenge may be successfull -- it may not.

Steven Colver AND Tylar Witt have been charged with killing Joanne M. Witt, 47, whose body was found in her El Dorado Hills home last Monday.

http://www.sacbee.com/topstories/v-mobile/story/1966818.html

[JMO * Themis]

[lunchlady]

Neighborhood teenager reaction. Not much other content.

http://edhtelegraph.com/detail/117422.html

Suspects were planning suicide? Why did they have condoms then?

http://www.modbee.com/region/story/756266.html

[Themis]

Kind of my thinking. Lots of comments from others who knew the guy and all that I read were positive about him, some say part of the news coverage is not correct, i.e., that they never told her mother he was gay. Lots of past conflict between mother and daughter? I don't know if it's on this story, but one comment talks about how the mom and daughter seemed to be using the guy - strange.
Teenagers lie. I tend to think the young man probably did tell the murdered mom that he was gay so she would let him move into her home. IIRC, he had issues with his own parents; they didn't want him living at home anymore. I also read within the past few days that people who claimed to know him said he had a fascination with his collection of knives. He was a fanatic about keeping them razor sharp and told acquaintances he tested their sharpness on his own body. Another who went to high school with him said Boston (his nickname) gave her the creeps and she avoided making eye contact with him. Another teen who went to high school with him said Boston (Colver) used to wear his gym clothes over his black trench coat.

From these early reports Mrs. Witt was a nice woman who was trying to be a good single mom. Two co-workers interviewed in the paper had good things to say about her work, her friendliness, her helpfulness.
The home looks nice from the outside -- well kept up. From what little is known right now the 14 year old daughter was not going hungry or deprived of basics. If anything this sad case may have its roots in a parent trying to be a 'friend' and giving the teen everything she wanted within the household budget.

LunchLady: I really agree with what you said in your post #31, on page 1.
[JMO * Themis]

[lunchlady]

thanx, Themis. I feel corny complaining about the youth of today, but I'm seeing this pattern pretty often.

Suicide? Why didn't they just do that in El Dorado Hills instead of killing Joanna? I'm skeptical that they would have gotten around to fulfilling their dramatic and romantic plan of drinking rat poison on the beach. Had they already had some rat poison with their cereal but didn't take enough? Just got stomach cramps and then their car got towed and they couldn't go back to the motel for more rat poison before the room got cleaned? Left everything at the motel because they thought they were going to die on the beach and then didn't? Did they put on sunscreen?
I'm glad they didn't commit suicide so they can tell their tale of "love" and murder to the court. I like the idea of them getting old or at least middle-aged in prison. Maybe she'll get out when she's 25 and can go visit him in prison until he dies or gets out, but I doubt she would do that somehow.

They got caught so soon partly because their car got towed in the city. That's rich. Thank you SF meter maid or man. Why didn't they go get it out of hock? Too scared of the police? Why didn't they go back to the motel to get their stuff and take more poison? Couldn't take a cab in time before checkout time? Credit card didn't work to get cash? Spent all their cash on the marijuana and all out of money at the ATM? Details, details, details. Why is life so complicated? All they wanted to do was smoke pot and have sex and everyone kept hassling them, boo hoo.
Colver may have been 19 but he didn't know how to get away with murder or take care of them on the run. The murder seems to have been planned at least a few days but the getaway sure wasn't well executed. Wonder if they tried to find someone to take them in or just moped around and slept outside. Bet Joanna's big comfortable house was sorely missed during their one whole night of homelessness.

The oversharing on MySpace and Facebook once again will help build the prosecution's case. Some people still don't understand the potential drawbacks of sharing certain things on the internet or they just don't care.
One thing I don't like about these social networking sites is that it encourages kids to produce drama and share it to decrease their collective boredom. I guess that's the same as real life, but the whole world can look at it, not just all the kids at the park or the schoolyard.

[lunchlady]

http://www.kcra.com/news/19837850/detail.html

Same story, few small details new.

[Themis]

http://www.kcra.com/news/19837850/detail.html

Same story, few small details new.
Thanks for the newest link, LunchLady and also for your post above it. Yep -- we are in agreement there, too. And don't feel corny about it; you are just one of millions of very concerned adults who cares about our nation's youth. Personally, I would not allow my child to have a computer in their bedroom. Children's (includes teens) computer usage needs to be monitored just like their choice of friends needs to be. The computer would be out in the open ... the family room, the kitchen desk area, any place where I could walk up at any time and see what websites they were accessing.

In February 2009, MySpace stated they cancelled the accounts of 90,000 Registered Sex Offenders (RSO) since 2007! Also in February 2009, Facebook announced it has removed 5,585 Registered Sex Offenders from its service since May of 2008. An average of 620 each month for 9 months! Both of these facts and stats can be found easily on the Internet; the stories were widely publicized. What parent in their right mind would allow their vulnerable kids unsupervisored access knowing this. Think two minutes on this subject and any adult with common sense knows there are many more sexual predators who have never been caught or are not required to *Register* for a variety of reasons.

As for the gruesome murder of Mrs. Witt I think from this point forward El Dorado County will keep this case out of the media spotlight. It's likely we will hear little more except for scheduled court appearances.

It will be interesting to see if the county district attorney will try to have the 14 year old daughter tried as an adult. I think they will -- whether it is successfull only time will tell.

Thanks again for your posts and the links you provide.:smile: [JMO * Themis]

[SunnySideUp]

Thanks for the newest link, LunchLady and also for your post above it. Yep -- we are in agreement there, too. And don't feel corny about it; you are just one of millions of very concerned adults who cares about our nation's youth. Personally, I would not allow my child to have a computer in their bedroom. Children's (includes teens) computer usage needs to be monitored just like their choice of friends needs to be. The computer would be out in the open ... the family room, the kitchen desk area, any place where I could walk up at any time and see what websites they were accessing.

In February 2009, MySpace stated they cancelled the accounts of 90,000 Registered Sex Offenders (RSO) since 2007! Also in February 2009, Facebook announced it has removed 5,585 Registered Sex Offenders from its service since May of 2008. An average of 620 each month for 9 months! Both of these facts and stats can be found easily on the Internet; the stories were widely publicized. What parent in their right mind would allow their vulnerable kids unsupervisored access knowing this. Think two minutes on this subject and any adult with common sense knows there are many more sexual predators who have never been caught or are not required to *Register* for a variety of reasons.

As for the gruesome murder of Mrs. Witt I think from this point forward El Dorado County will keep this case out of the media spotlight. It's likely we will hear little more except for scheduled court appearances.

It will be interesting to see if the county district attorney will try to have the 14 year old daughter tried as an adult. I think they will -- whether it is successfull only time will tell.

Thanks again for your posts and the links you provide.:smile: [JMO * Themis]

What you said about computers needing to be in open places in the homes is dead on. My parents aren't very tech savvy, but growing up the computer was always placed in either the living room or in the kitchen.

My parents told me they had the right to know exactly what my siblings and I were doing on the computer and if we had a problem with that we had their blessings to get a job and buy our own computer.

Too much mischief goes on with teens in chatrooms meeting up with perverts thinking it's another teen like themselves.

MySpace is a cesspool. My page is private and it'll always be that way.

I live close to El Dorado Hills and this case is big news out here. I can't wait until it goes to trial.

[lunchlady]

http://www.news10.net/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=62040&catid=2

Knife found. And a pregnancy test. Hmmmmm....