Thursday, June 18

[margaritaville]

If I knew how to post an image I'd find a pic of that flux capacitor guy from "Back to the Future".

That's how I feel everytime I read something about this case.:mad:


http://www.imdb.com/media/rm963156224/ch0001831

[ladeebug565]

Regarding the autopsy release, is the only objection that the public will speculate? Does Cindy think that people will not speculate if the report is not released? I'm not sure I understand what the objection was about ... anyone have any more info? Furthermore, if their daughter isn't involved, don't they want the public to know what some cruel person did?

And no wonder that Conway didn't appear on the same morning news program with the Anthonys. He actually used the word "remains" in his motion to prevent release of the autopsy. I think his days of representing reprehensible duo are numbered.

Also, someone needs to explain the Sunshine Laws to Conway. The last couple of times I've heard him speak, he insinuates that the prosecution is leaking the evidence when in fact, it's the....now follow me here, Conway....the law.

[desmom]

Afternoon All!

Autopsy motion hearing tomorrow. Yeah! Any guesses as to what is in the report the A's do not want the "endless comment and speculation in the media and public forums" about how Caylee died?

O/T Thank you for all the birthday wishes. Grins thank you for the poem!

[Imperfect4]

Thanks... I feel better after that :) but seriously... what do these two gain (as grieving grandparents) by speaking out on these shows?? Get that autopsy report out there for ALL to see... all the public to see (you know.. we folks that cared for this poor baby since the beginning of this horrific story... I doubt the report will do anything to change any minds or opinions anyway... It will probably just reaffirm what I believe.. They make me sick...

They gain nothing but further public unrest aimed at them and their evil spawn, imo.

What they *think* they gain is attention for their FUNDation, a sympathetic audience for their Casey didn't do it platform, and some measure of control over their situation.

They're delusional, in other words.

[cassidy]

"Just got thru reading yesterday's thread (I spent all of yesterday over the mountain so am finally catching up on Tues. events) and enjoyed everyone's input.

But Heyes mentioned the tip line- and thinking of C & G's interview and their mission to "help" others that are missing-

made me think- they have professed to believe everything she has said as being the truth. I think they need to be very concerned that their daughter may be a serial person of lost people.

There is a small community of people connected to Casey that can't be found- They Are Missing! What did she do with all of them and why aren't the Anthonys looking for these missing people that were involved with their daughter's and granddaughter's life!

What did you do with them Casey?

Where is Jeffrey Hopkins and his son Zachary?

Where is your friend and co-worker Juliette Lewis?

Where is Raquel Farrell?

What happened to your direct supervisor Tom Manley?

What about Thomas Franck?

Aren't their families worried sick about where they are?

"Not only is *the* ZFG missing, but so is her mother Gloria, her sister Sam, Z's nephews and nieces and her dog is missing too! The white dog- the one that exists because Cindy said it did.

That's twelve people missing and a dog! Good grief- they all didn't end up in the Bermuda Triangle.

We know where little Caylee ended up- but what about all these people?!


(pick a day when you aren't home worrying about yourself Cindy, and do what you can to look for all these missing people in Florida)

imo "
This is the post by Postergeist from yesterday. Not sure if I brought this over here correctly but I tried. Interesting read and well put!

IMO

[summer]

http://www.imdb.com/media/rm963156224/ch0001831

hee heee! thanks! :laugh:

[Imperfect4]

Afternoon All!

Autopsy motion hearing tomorrow. Yeah! Any guesses as to what is in the report the A's do not want the "endless comment and speculation in the media and public forums" about how Caylee died?

O/T Thank you for all the birthday wishes. Grins thank you for the poem!

Happy birthday, desmom. Thank you for all you do to keep us updated and informed. :wub:

My guess as to what's in the report they're afraid of? Every. Word. Of. It.

[Barbara fl.]

Just checking in while my little grand daughter has her nap.
Her hugs are so sweet, I can't imagine not having her.
I feel sorry for George and Cindy in that regard but thats where my sympathy stops. Shame on them for their constant displays in the media. And the way they use every platform, including Caylee, to make money for themselves. I know everyone grieves differently, but grief will only give you an excuse for so long and the gig is up.
They have had a year to deal with her death.

Anything other than seeking justice for her murder, is deplorable.

imo


I'm happy to hear that your granddaughter is taking a nap....What's your secret?...my grandson is 4 and even when I take him to the park and run him all over the place he still refuses to nap.......By the time his Dad gets him is when he is nice a tired (so no trouble to him) :sneaky:

[True2Blues]

It was the statement Casey supposedly wrote that Jose read in front of the press ...

It said she wanted a small, private service (not the public debacle Cindy put on), and she wanted Caylee's remains buried in a graveyard so she could visit her one day.

<cough>

But Cindy wasn't having that. Not when she could get some props to help her in fleecing the public. :cursing:

[margaritaville]

bolding mine
I must have missed that, can someone explain what they were? Earrings the shape of pizza slices or beer bottles? Anyone?

:confused:

nutz.........or little brass balls

[Barbara fl.]

Thanks Cassidy.......I too thought it to be very well put....

[comemonday]

Happy Birthday Desmom!!
Thanks for all the links and info you provide daily!!! You are truly a gem!

[True2Blues]

They gain nothing but further public unrest aimed at them and their evil spawn, imo.

What they *think* they gain is attention for their FUNDation, a sympathetic audience for their Casey didn't do it platform, and some measure of control over their situation.

They're delusional, in other words.

Oh, for the good old days, when people could throw rotten fruit and veg at 'acts' they didn't like.

[margaritaville]

She wanted Caylee buried instead of cremated.....Like Casey deserves to make that choice...:sneaky:


Thank you.. I had never heard that.......

Maybe that has a lot to do with why Casey won't speak to them let alone give them a glance in court......

moo

[sydney]

She wanted Caylee buried instead of cremated.....Like Casey deserves to make that choice...:sneaky:

does anyone think that cindy's decision could have been a preemptive strike to prevent further testing, should it be required?

and is it true that caylee's poor remains are still at the funeral home?

tia

[*MoonRider*]

They were small and ... round.

Someone surely has a pic they can post. Moonie? Where you be with your fabulous still shots?

:seeya: (http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/Balls1.jpg)http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/Balls1.jpg

[denjet]

IIRC that is why they want it sealed until the trial. At the trial there will be a ME to explain it to us FLB's.
BINGO! Diney ...
That's probably exactly what they want, where the ME can be cross-examined by their high-profile forensics experts and make mince-meat out of the report ... or so Cindy might think ... Not gonna happen :biggrin:

[Barbara fl.]

Thank you.. I had never heard that.......

Maybe that has a lot to do with why Casey won't speak to them let alone give them a glance in court......

moo


Could very well be...but that wouldn't have erased that tape from being around Caylee's head....which is what Casey really needs to worry about....

How dare Casey make any request as to how Caylee should be put to rest....but then again she probably knows her parents and knew that Cindy would probably try to make money off of Caylee's remains...


I know that sound terrible but as sad as it is to say...I believe it to be true.....these people are dispicable....

[imc_e]

I'm happy to hear that your granddaughter is taking a nap....What's your secret?...my grandson is 4 and even when I take him to the park and run him all over the place he still refuses to nap.......By the time his Dad gets him is when he is nice a tired (so no trouble to him) :sneaky:

I think I have the golden touch because I'm the only one who can get her to take a nap without crying and protesting..lol
She is only 18 months though and just put her in the crib with her teddys and put the blanket up to her little chin, and tell her when she wakes she can have lunch and play with Grammy some more, and she stays put and just goes to sleep.

She is a gift, blonde little curls, and she smells like blueberry soap!

Your little guy sounds sweet and no doubt loves his time with you.

Its so hard to believe that anyone could ever hurt a little one.
Casey has no heart and no soul.
She doesn't deserve to ever be called Mommy.

I'm sure there is a special place in hell for her for what she did.

jmo

[summer]

Oh, for the good old days, when people could throw rotten fruit and veg at 'acts' they didn't like.

Heh, or drag them off the stage with a hook, like Vaudeville.

[ish]

They were small and ... round.

Someone surely has a pic they can post. Moonie? Where you be with your fabulous still shots?

and once resided in George's nether region...:wink:

[Barbara fl.]

does anyone think that cindy's decision could have been a preemptive strike to prevent further testing, should it be required?

and is it true that caylee's poor remains are still at the funeral home?

tia

I doubt it...Caylee's remains were autopsied and autopsied again...after being in those woods for so long there wasn't much to get from the remains than what they did....they solely relied on the circumstances in which the body was found and the tape around the mouth to come to the obvious conclusion that it was infact a homocide....and that Caylee suffered a horrible death....(which is why I believe that the DP was put back on the table)......jmo

[margaritaville]

I think I have the golden touch because I'm the only one who can get her to take a nap without crying and protesting..lol
She is only 18 months though and just put her in the crib with her teddys and put the blanket up to her little chin, and tell her when she wakes she can have lunch and play with Grammy some more, and she stays put and just goes to sleep.

She is a gift, blonde little curls, and she smells like blueberry soap!
Your little guy sounds sweet and no doubt loves his time with you.

Its so hard to believe that anyone could ever hurt a little one.
Casey has no heart and no soul.
She doesn't deserve to ever be called Mommy.

I'm sure there is a special place in hell for her for what she did.

jmo


Ohhhhh she sounds so precious.....(that comment actually put tears in my eyes) you are so blessed!

[Imperfect4]

does anyone think that cindy's decision could have been a preemptive strike to prevent further testing, should it be required?

Oh, yeah. Definitely. In fact, I believe Hoover mentioned in his LE interview that Cindy jumped right to cremation as soon as they heard the remains had been found. IIRC, she said it was so she could "keep Caylee close" (paraphrased), but I didn't buy it then nor do I buy it now. And I don't think she was worried about grave robbers, either. She's a master manipulator in this particular way. She came up with the grave robbing nonsense to feign victimization and draw sympathy, when in reality her intent was to incinerate what was left of Caylee to insure nothing more could come back on them down the line.

[5boxersmom]

Here is my prediction for tomorrow's hearing. :biggrin:

The Judge will rule to release the autopsy report because it is my birthday and that will be a great present. :biggrin:

Happy Birthday Desmom. We are one day apart. :biggrin:

[sydney]

I doubt it...Caylee's remains were autopsied and autopsied again...after being in those woods for so long there wasn't much to get from the remains than what they did....they solely relied on the circumstances in which the body was found and the tape around the mouth to come to the obvious conclusion that it was infact a homocide....and that Caylee suffered a horrible death....(which is why I believe that the DP was put back on the table)......jmo

thank you. i didn't know that.

[Imperfect4]

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Thankewe! :patriot:

[True2Blues]

Heh, or drag them off the stage with a hook, like Vaudeville.

:thumbsup:

[Imperfect4]

Heh, or drag them off the stage with a hook, like Vaudeville.

Great visual. :lol:

[cassidy]

Just checking in while my little grand daughter has her nap.
Her hugs are so sweet, I can't imagine not having her.
I feel sorry for George and Cindy in that regard but thats where my sympathy stops. Shame on them for their constant displays in the media. And the way they use every platform, including Caylee, to make money for themselves. I know everyone grieves differently, but grief will only give you an excuse for so long and the gig is up.
They have had a year to deal with her death.

Anything other than seeking justice for her murder, is deplorable.

imo


There have been many times over the past year that I have tried really hard to imagine myself in Cindy and George's shoes. I guess my mind won't take me to the places that they go. They say their daughter is innocent and yet she remains in jail for the murder of their granddaughter. They make no effort to find the "real" killer, but say that we will all understand when the trial gets going. I can't imagine my life without either one of my granddaughters. I don't believe that I would ever be able to forget the last time I saw their sweet face or heard their sweet voice. I don't think I'd be seeking out the media, but rather I'd be seeking out the person who was responsible for keeping them safe and asking a lot of hard questions about their failure to do so. I know I would not accept " I don't know" as an answer. I love my kids with all of my heart, but there is a special place for the grandchildren, the ones who are too young to make their own way in the world. I hold their parents responsible for their well being and their happiness. In my world, there is no place for "misplacing" a child as Casey "misplaced" Caylee. Something is very very wrong with a parent who cannot account for their child's whereabouts for 31 days and does nothing but party on. I'd be hard pressed to defend such a child.

JMO

[Barbara fl.]

I think I have the golden touch because I'm the only one who can get her to take a nap without crying and protesting..lol
She is only 18 months though and just put her in the crib with her teddys and put the blanket up to her little chin, and tell her when she wakes she can have lunch and play with Grammy some more, and she stays put and just goes to sleep.

She is a gift, blonde little curls, and she smells like blueberry soap!

Your little guy sounds sweet and no doubt loves his time with you.

Its so hard to believe that anyone could ever hurt a little one.
Casey has no heart and no soul.
She doesn't deserve to ever be called Mommy.

I'm sure there is a special place in hell for her for what she did.

jmo


I so agree...my little guy is a terror but I love him to death....I guess I can say he keeps me young...my granddaughter was just the opposite....a real good baby....and now that she is 11, she makes us all proud of her.....

I will never figure how a mother could do something like that to her own child and then grandparents to try and cover her murder....it's sickening to even think about.....

[Imperfect4]

There have been many times over the past year that I have tried really hard to imagine myself in Cindy and George's shoes. I guess my mind won't take me to the places that they go. They say their daughter is innocent and yet she remains in jail for the murder of their granddaughter. They make no effort to find the "real" killer, but say that we will all understand when the trial gets going. I can't imagine my life without either one of my granddaughters. I don't believe that I would ever be able to forget the last time I saw their sweet face or heard their sweet voice. I don't think I'd be seeking out the media, but rather I'd be seeking out the person who was responsible for keeping them safe and asking a lot of hard questions about their failure to do so. I know I would not accept " I don't know" as an answer. I love my kids with all of my heart, but there is a special place for the grandchildren, the ones who are too young to make their own way in the world. I hold their parents responsible for their well being and their happiness. In my world, there is no place for "misplacing" a child as Casey "misplaced" Caylee. Something is very very wrong with a parent who cannot account for their child's whereabouts for 31 days and does nothing but party on. I'd be hard pressed to defend such a child.

JMO

Great post. Thanks for sharing. :smile:

[Barbara fl.]

There have been many times over the past year that I have tried really hard to imagine myself in Cindy and George's shoes. I guess my mind won't take me to the places that they go. They say their daughter is innocent and yet she remains in jail for the murder of their granddaughter. They make no effort to find the "real" killer, but say that we will all understand when the trial gets going. I can't imagine my life without either one of my granddaughters. I don't believe that I would ever be able to forget the last time I saw their sweet face or heard their sweet voice. I don't think I'd be seeking out the media, but rather I'd be seeking out the person who was responsible for keeping them safe and asking a lot of hard questions about their failure to do so. I know I would not accept " I don't know" as an answer. I love my kids with all of my heart, but there is a special place for the grandchildren, the ones who are too young to make their own way in the world. I hold their parents responsible for their well being and their happiness. In my world, there is no place for "misplacing" a child as Casey "misplaced" Caylee. Something is very very wrong with a parent who cannot account for their child's whereabouts for 31 days and does nothing but party on. I'd be hard pressed to defend such a child.

JMO


I with you all the way......

[happygert]

Oh True, you touched on so many great points and I agree with every word of this.

A lot of us here were brought here because of circumstances that affected our own personal lives. I have read so many heartbreaking stories from this very group and how they moved forward. The stories are inspirational and in spite of so much tragedy, the dignity and grace in surviving trials and personal demons during ordeals have made so many people stronger.,

Many people know about my missing person who was ultimately discovered buried (like Caylee) and murdered. He was missing for we think about 2 weeks, before we (my mother, sisters and I) found him.

This was many moons before cell pings and towers and GPS units, etc. This is what p####s me off most about the Anthonys. They couldn't find that poor baby on their same street and they never even bothered to look. Unless you count that lame attempt in their backyard. How they think they should ever be the voice of a missing person is arrogance at its finest. To those uninformed people that have the unfortunate circumstance of having them as their support, I say RUN.

Even after death, you are right and they continue to exploit that poor child. Who knows where she really is. For all we know, she is still in that mortuary. We can't take anything they say at face value, and again, this is their own dang fault.

Sorry for the rant. I know I had a purpose when I started this post and somehow, I lost it and never even made my initial point.

As Larry would say, "weird.

Sorry for your loss Boo..:rose:

ITA about the A's exploiting Caylee and using her for their own personal gains..Their should be a law against it.. IMO we know how c & g are paying their bills . Blood money from their dead granddaughter. (they
have not worked 1 day in a year.) Still would like to know how casey's paying for her defense..

[sydney]

my one, true wish would be for the trial to end on caylee's birthday with a guilty verdict!

[True2Blues]

Oh, yeah. Definitely. In fact, I believe Hoover mentioned in his LE interview that Cindy jumped right to cremation as soon as they heard the remains had been found. IIRC, she said it was so she could "keep Caylee close" (paraphrased), but I didn't buy it then nor do I buy it now. And I don't think she was worried about grave robbers, either. She's a master manipulator in this particular way. She came up with the grave robbing nonsense to feign victimization and draw sympathy, when in reality her intent was to incinerate what was left of Caylee to insure nothing more could come back on them down the line.


Cindy isn't too interested in facts, so she probably did think they weren't through testing. I think a big part of it was also Control and Possession. Cindy has to control and she has to always have the upper hand, first the image rights, now the actual physical remains.

She now has both Control and Possession of Caylee and Casey doesn't, and can't do anything about it. Inside I see Cindy dancing around in front of Casey, waving her locket and singing 'Neener, neener, neener". I really do.

[happygert]

my one, true wish would be for the trial to end on caylee's birthday with a guilty verdict!

That would put the icing on the cake.. But that would have to be a year away.. we'll all be crazy by then..or at least I will be...lol..

Ok maybe sooner for the verdict.. maybe the day her little body was found..12-11

Sad to say tho it will probably be closer to your date.. Caylee will not rest until the murder is found guilty..

[imc_e]

There have been many times over the past year that I have tried really hard to imagine myself in Cindy and George's shoes. I guess my mind won't take me to the places that they go. They say their daughter is innocent and yet she remains in jail for the murder of their granddaughter. They make no effort to find the "real" killer, but say that we will all understand when the trial gets going. I can't imagine my life without either one of my granddaughters. I don't believe that I would ever be able to forget the last time I saw their sweet face or heard their sweet voice. I don't think I'd be seeking out the media, but rather I'd be seeking out the person who was responsible for keeping them safe and asking a lot of hard questions about their failure to do so. I know I would not accept " I don't know" as an answer. I love my kids with all of my heart, but there is a special place for the grandchildren, the ones who are too young to make their own way in the world. I hold their parents responsible for their well being and their happiness. In my world, there is no place for "misplacing" a child as Casey "misplaced" Caylee. Something is very very wrong with a parent who cannot account for their child's whereabouts for 31 days and does nothing but party on. I'd be hard pressed to defend such a child.

JMO


Hi Cassidy

I'm with you on those thoughts..

Why did Cindy choke Casey over money on June 15th, what was it just over $300 that she stole again from her Grandmothers account, because when Caylee was murdered by Casey, Cindy did NOTHING, except say 'well your the one who lied sweetheart'.

I just don't get it.

How much did Cindy value the life of her grand daughter.
Does she hold the murderer accountable for her actions?
I am not seeing that, and it makes me furious.

[summer]

Oh, yeah. Definitely. In fact, I believe Hoover mentioned in his LE interview that Cindy jumped right to cremation as soon as they heard the remains had been found. IIRC, she said it was so she could "keep Caylee close" (paraphrased), but I didn't buy it then nor do I buy it now. And I don't think she was worried about grave robbers, either. She's a master manipulator in this particular way. She came up with the grave robbing nonsense to feign victimization and draw sympathy, when in reality her intent was to incinerate what was left of Caylee to insure nothing more could come back on them down the line.

I keep thinking they're like *pod people* trying to simulate human behavior. :huh: and failing. miserably.

[Eagleeye]

:seeya:

Remains interred INTACT in a cemetary with a headstone. No cremation.


Before this was known, Conway made a public statement which was just bizarre not knowing what we do now that the Anthony's were in fear of grave robbers because EVERYONE wants a piece of Caylee.

Then to find out they were and are all "wearing" Caylee just made it sick.

It's not what they did but the way the did it that gives it that Alfred Hitchcock aire to it.


I do know people who have done this, no excuses their right and did it respectfully.

What they did was straight out of the twilight zone. They project what they do to other people in a sick sick manner

http://www.tradebit.com/filedetail.php/4050158-twilight-zone-sting-horror-sound-effect-wav :thumbup:

[True2Blues]

I keep thinking they're like *pod people* trying to simulate human behavior. :huh: and failing. miserably.

That is excellent! I could really believe that. It would be more comforting than knowing they are human beings with nothing but cold hard evil inside.

[5boxersmom]

Oh True, you touched on so many great points and I agree with every word of this.

A lot of us here were brought here because of circumstances that affected our own personal lives. I have read so many heartbreaking stories from this very group and how they moved forward. The stories are inspirational and in spite of so much tragedy, the dignity and grace in surviving trials and personal demons during ordeals have made so many people stronger.,

Many people know about my missing person who was ultimately discovered buried (like Caylee) and murdered. He was missing for we think about 2 weeks, before we (my mother, sisters and I) found him.

This was many moons before cell pings and towers and GPS units, etc. This is what p####s me off most about the Anthonys. They couldn't find that poor baby on their same street and they never even bothered to look. Unless you count that lame attempt in their backyard. How they think they should ever be the voice of a missing person is arrogance at its finest. To those uninformed people that have the unfortunate circumstance of having them as their support, I say RUN.

Even after death, you are right and they continue to exploit that poor child. Who knows where she really is. For all we know, she is still in that mortuary. We can't take anything they say at face value, and again, this is their own dang fault.

Sorry for the rant. I know I had a purpose when I started this post and somehow, I lost it and never even made my initial point.

As Larry would say, "weird.


Boo:rose:

I just saw this post when HG quoted it.

I was thinking about them not looking. If someone you loved was missing and there was a woods next to your house wouldn't you have got out and walked it and looked? I know I would have. I know it would be terrible to find your loved one that way but I would have to look. Instead of being all over tv and getting mad because no one was looking for a live Caylee why didn't they look? All the times they sit in their house doing nothing. I would have been looking everywhere.

:shrug:

jmo

[imc_e]

my one, true wish would be for the trial to end on caylee's birthday with a guilty verdict!

EVEN on Caseys birthday would suit me just fine. :beer:

[boo]

I keep thinking they're like *pod people* trying to simulate human behavior. :huh: and failing. miserably.

Pod people. :scared:

Reminds me of Soylent Green is people.

[crimeq]

Desmom's Birthday???

Well Happy Birthday!!!

:beer:

Happy Birthday Desmom, O Link Goddess! Have a great day.

(and thanks so much for the daily recaps--awesome!)

[summer]

That is excellent! I could really believe that. It would be more comforting than knowing they are human beings with nothing but cold hard evil inside.

Yeah! Remember the original version of "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" with Donald Sutherland?! Truly scary. Great movie.

...the townspeople are in fact being replaced by simulations grown from plantlike pods; perfect physical duplicates... The Pod People are indistinguishable from normal people, except for their utter lack of emotion. The pod people work together to secretly spread more pods — which grew from "seeds drifting through space for years" — in order to replace the entire human race....

[summer]

Pod people. :scared:

Reminds me of Soylent Green is people.

Cross my heart I think it's possible. :w00t:

[imc_e]

Happy Birthday Desmom! Have a great day.

Thanks so much for all the detail work and links you provide to us. :thumbup:

:rose:

[True2Blues]

Boo:rose:

I just saw this post when HG quoted it.

I was thinking about them not looking. If someone you loved was missing and there was a woods next to your house wouldn't you have got out and walked it and looked? I know I would have. I know it would be terrible to find your loved one that way but I would have to look. Instead of being all over tv and getting mad because no one was looking for a live Caylee why didn't they look? All the times they sit in their house doing nothing. I would have been looking everywhere.

:shrug:

jmo

So would I. So would every normal person. They'd be dragging us in when it was too dark to find anything and we'd all be back out before dawn.

Only someone who knows and doesn't care would stay home, IMO. And they did.

Meanwhile, people who truly cared, even though they'd never met Caylee, joined Tim Miller and waded through muck, mire and weeds looking for her.

[boo]

Boo:rose:

I just saw this post when HG quoted it.

I was thinking about them not looking. If someone you loved was missing and there was a woods next to your house wouldn't you have got out and walked it and looked? I know I would have. I know it would be terrible to find your loved one that way but I would have to look. Instead of being all over tv and getting mad because no one was looking for a live Caylee why didn't they look? All the times they sit in their house doing nothing. I would have been looking everywhere.

:shrug:

jmo

Exactly, 5boxersmom!

How could you not look under every stone, tree, (paver?), bush, etc.
How can you go to sleep at night, knowing she is out there alone, in the dark and yes, presumably dead, but still.

I'm telling you, firsthand, it is the NOT knowing that kills you and it never goes away. It gnaws at you from the time you wake up until the time you go to bed. You inherently NEED to find this person. I don't get how they were so cool and calm, knowing she was out there alone.

Thank you. :wub:

[happygert]

There have been many times over the past year that I have tried really hard to imagine myself in Cindy and George's shoes. I guess my mind won't take me to the places that they go. They say their daughter is innocent and yet she remains in jail for the murder of their granddaughter. They make no effort to find the "real" killer, but say that we will all understand when the trial gets going. I can't imagine my life without either one of my granddaughters. I don't believe that I would ever be able to forget the last time I saw their sweet face or heard their sweet voice. I don't think I'd be seeking out the media, but rather I'd be seeking out the person who was responsible for keeping them safe and asking a lot of hard questions about their failure to do so. I know I would not accept " I don't know" as an answer. I love my kids with all of my heart, but there is a special place for the grandchildren, the ones who are too young to make their own way in the world. I hold their parents responsible for their well being and their happiness. In my world, there is no place for "misplacing" a child as Casey "misplaced" Caylee. Something is very very wrong with a parent who cannot account for their child's whereabouts for 31 days and does nothing but party on. I'd be hard pressed to defend such a child.

JMO

ITA.. I do hold cindy and george responsible for the creature they created..she never had any consequences to her actions she did whatever she wanted and cindy cleaned up the mess.. IMO she thought she'd get by with the murder of Caylee too.
(1)... cindy made casey keep Caylee when she knew full well casey DID NOT want Caylee..

(2) cindy and george knew casey was an unfit mother and did
absolutely NOTHING to PROECT Caylee.

IMO cindy and george are just as guilty as casey is. They sat by and did nothing to protect a 2 yr old innocent baby.. Now they are still lying and covering for the murder.

[summer]

Exactly, 5boxersmom!

How could you not look under every stone, tree, (paver?), bush, etc.
How can you go to sleep at night, knowing she is out there alone, in the dark and yes, presumably dead, but still.

I'm telling you, firsthand, it is the NOT knowing that kills you and it never goes away. It gnaws at you from the time you wake up until the time you go to bed. You inherently NEED to find this person. I don't get how they were so cool and calm, knowing she was out there alone.

Thank you. :wub:

Oh boo, I am sorry for all you have gone through.

[boo]

Cross my heart I think it's possible. :w00t:

Cross my heart, I believe you. :laugh:

[True2Blues]

Happy Birthday Desmom! Many more. :rose:

[boo]

Oh boo, I am sorry for all you have gone through.

Thanks Summer. It was a long time ago but it still feels like yesterday and you know what? I'd still be looking had we not found him. I know it.

[marshmallow]

this question was bouncing around in my brain all morning.

in all their tv appearances and radio or newspaper interviews, has anyone ever come out and directly asked George, Lee, or Cindy what they feel the sentence should be for Caylee's murderer?

[crimeq]

Hearing on release of autopsy results to be held tomorrow (6/19) at 11:00am. Casey Anthony will NOT be attending the hearing.
http://twitter.com/CaseyAnthonyCh9

Judge S probably can't stand the thought of looking at Casey, after seeing the jail tape :sneaky:

[Katprint]

Has Lapis or Katprint given an opinion on the release of the autopsy and wether C & G have any standing on this?

Haven't been here for a few days. trying to catch up.

TIA
Issue #1: Legal Standing
I think that C&G probably do have legal standing. In a nutshell, if a person is murdered by their heir then the law treats the murderer's rights as if the murderer had died first. Thus, Scott Peterson did not inherit Laci's share of their house; it was treated as though Scott had died first leaving the house solely owned by Laci whose parents were her only heirs. (Of course, they had to sue to enforce their rights in this regard...)

I would be very surprised if the prosecution took the position that Casey did NOT murder Caylee since they are seeking to have her put to death for that very crime. So, if Casey had died before Caylee then Caylee's only known heirs would be C&G. Caylee's unknown father would displace C&G as Caylee's heirs but unless/until he steps forward, C&G remain Caylee's "heirs apparent." Thus, they have legal standing to assert any rights that might be possessed by Caylee's estate.

Issue #2: Release of Autopsy Report
I think that Caylee's estate probably does not have the right to prevent the autopsy report from being released. Normally, the privacy of dead people is not given much legal protection. When a murder victim's autopsy reports are sealed, it is usually because the defendant has asked for a protective order to limit adverse pretrial publicity. Also, some states (not sure what the rules are in Florida) have statutes allowing autopsy reports reflecting child abuse and/or sexual assaults to be sealed at the request of the victim's family.

It is mildly frustrating that the attorneys representing the Anthonys file motions that do not cite the laws which authorize the court to grant the relief requested. For example, Baez' recent motion to seal the jailhouse videotape taken in the medical facility was very detailed in its description of facts and evidence but did not cite statutes or case law - which I am personally aware exist - concerning improper indirect interrogation after assertion of constitutional rights to counsel, to remain silent, against self-incrimination, etc. and what privacy rights continue to exist when a defendant is in custody awaiting trial but not yet convicted. It is not clear what laws, if any, require the judge to seal the autopsy report at the request of Caylee's estate or of family members who might suffer emotional distress, as opposed to sealing it because its findings are so outrageous that releasing it might affect the defendant's ability to have a fair trial. By contrast, the Sunshine laws favoring its release are pretty clear and the media Real-Parties-In-Interest are diligently asserting their rights under those laws.

Bottom line: Unless the autopsy report contains findings of sexual abuse or aggravated/repeated child abuse (for example, multiple healing fractures) then I expect the judge will not seal the autopsy report.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[boo]

HappyGert, I hope someday (and soon), there are laws protecting the victims and the people who exploit them. It's a sad commentary when the victims need protection from their own family though, ain't it? That's got to be unprecedented.

[summer]

ITA.. I do hold cindy and george responsible for the creature they created..she never had any consequences to her actions she did whatever she wanted and cindy cleaned up the mess.. IMO she thought she'd get by with the murder of Caylee too.
(1)... cindy made casey keep Caylee when she knew full well casey DID NOT want Caylee..

(2) cindy and george knew casey was an unfit mother and did
absolutely NOTHING to PROECT Caylee.

IMO cindy and george are just as guilty as casey is. They sat by and did nothing to protect a 2 yr old innocent baby.. Now they are still lying and covering for the murder.

IMO complete and total criminal negligence... for most of that baby's life. When I think how they were so wiling to just dump Caylee on the Grunds. No class. Put RG in the most awful position of having to finally explain why they could no longer babysit. Awful.

And now the way they treat that family.

Knowing Casey was unfit letting her drag the child who knows where everyday.

And if, if, in the end Cindy did throw Casey out of the house - where did she think she would go that would be good for a 2 year old?

And after Casey left why was the car not immediately reported stolen as a way to track her granddaughter and get her home?

Too many questions. No answers. Pod people.

Ack.

Time for a break. Later all! :seeya:

[happygert]

this question was bouncing around in my brain all morning.

in all their tv appearances and radio or newspaper interviews, has anyone ever come out and directly asked George, Lee, or Cindy what they feel the sentence should be for Caylee's murderer?

Yes think it was LKL . He asked c & g if they thought the Murderer should get the DP and they said NO..

[imc_e]

this question was bouncing around in my brain all morning.

in all their tv appearances and radio or newspaper interviews, has anyone ever come out and directly asked George, Lee, or Cindy what they feel the sentence should be for Caylee's murderer?


Yo! Nice to see you!

I have had the very same question in my head to ask them.

WHAT do you think the penalty for killing Caylee should be?

(history has shown Cindy covers for ALL Caseys poor choices, THATS why Casey never had to learn whats right and wrong..Mom fixed everything. NOT this.)

jmo

[True2Blues]

this question was bouncing around in my brain all morning.

in all their tv appearances and radio or newspaper interviews, has anyone ever come out and directly asked George, Lee, or Cindy what they feel the sentence should be for Caylee's murderer?

I think Larry King asked once and they both quickly said no Death Penalty.

I'm no relation to Caylee and I think drawing and quarting is too good for her murderer. For any baby killer.

[boo]

this question was bouncing around in my brain all morning.

in all their tv appearances and radio or newspaper interviews, has anyone ever come out and directly asked George, Lee, or Cindy what they feel the sentence should be for Caylee's murderer?

Not that I know of but I would sure love to see that Megan Kelley ask it. (I think that was her name.)

I'm guessing they would reserve the right to answer that question until after the verdict is read.

[happy2bme]

Thanks Summer. It was a long time ago but it still feels like yesterday and you know what? I'd still be looking had we not found him. I know it.

I too, am sorry for you had to go through Boo. God bless you.

[Imperfect4]

Cindy isn't too interested in facts, so she probably did think they weren't through testing. I think a big part of it was also Control and Possession. Cindy has to control and she has to always have the upper hand, first the image rights, now the actual physical remains.

She now has both Control and Possession of Caylee and Casey doesn't, and can't do anything about it. Inside I see Cindy dancing around in front of Casey, waving her locket and singing 'Neener, neener, neener". I really do.

ITA. She managed to keep Caylee's remains from Casey, while simultaneously insuring none of the maggots, leeches or parasites who grew so concerned for the child while she was "missing" would get anywhere near her, either. She's a piece of work.

Control and Possession. You nailed it.

[boo]

Judge S probably can't stand the thought of looking at Casey, after seeing the jail tape :sneaky:

I think he'd better start practicing because he's gonna be on Anthony overload very shortly.

[happygert]

HappyGert, I hope someday (and soon), there are laws protecting the victims and the people who exploit them. It's a sad commentary when the victims need protection from their own family though, ain't it? That's got to be unprecedented.

Yes it is.. never seen a family like this is my life.. I thought the peterson's were horrible but heck the A's make the petersons look good..

[True2Blues]

ITA. She managed to keep Caylee's remains from Casey, while simultaneously insuring none of the maggots, leeches or parasites who grew so concerned for the child while she was "missing" would get anywhere near her, either. She's a piece of work.

Control and Possession. You nailed it.

She's a piece of something.....

[5boxersmom]

So would I. So would every normal person. They'd be dragging us in when it was too dark to find anything and we'd all be back out before dawn.

Only someone who knows and doesn't care would stay home, IMO. And they did.

Meanwhile, people who truly cared, even though they'd never met Caylee, joined Tim Miller and waded through muck, mire and weeds looking for her.

ITA. I would be out walking and looking. I couldn't just sit in the house.

jmo

[sydney]

does anyone here believe that casey really wanted caylee in the first place? i sure don't. given her absolute wilfulness to do what SHE wanted to do, why do you suppose she didn't go and have an abortion? based on the way she ran her life, i don't think that option would have disturbed her too much. it appears to me that g&c allowed her to do basically whatever she wanted, and didn't keep too close a tab on her.

i've heard some say it was cindy that influenced casey to have caylee. but, given casey's apparent "live each day like it's your last" attitude, what did cindy think that having a child do? make casey settle down? stroke cindy's ego by allowing her to say she had a grandchild? just prove that cindy was the one truly in control?

all rhetorical questions, i know.

[kanzz]

does anyone think that cindy's decision could have been a preemptive strike to prevent further testing, should it be required?

and is it true that caylee's poor remains are still at the funeral home?

tia

Maybe... in her mind. But I'm hoping they dotted all their "I's" and crossed all their "T's".

I have little doubt that Cindy had an ulterior motive.

[True2Blues]

I think he'd better start practicing because he's gonna be on Anthony overload very shortly.

Pretty soon he'll be downing a bottle of Maalox every time someone says Anthony, poor man.

[Imperfect4]

I keep thinking they're like *pod people* trying to simulate human behavior. :huh: and failing. miserably.

lol. I've thought that about Casey, definitely. The others just seem to revel in their atrocious, bizarre, there-really-are-no-adjectives-that-do-justice behavior.

Casey does seem classically sociopathic to me in that she's attempting to mimic normal human behavior, at least some of the time.

Cindy, on the other hand, seems to actually BE as arrogant as she appears, assuming she's much smarter than the rest of the world. It's fascinating as well as infuriating. I've never seen anyone quite so WRONG, clearly view themselves as so RIGHT.

[5boxersmom]

Exactly, 5boxersmom!

How could you not look under every stone, tree, (paver?), bush, etc.
How can you go to sleep at night, knowing she is out there alone, in the dark and yes, presumably dead, but still.

I'm telling you, firsthand, it is the NOT knowing that kills you and it never goes away. It gnaws at you from the time you wake up until the time you go to bed. You inherently NEED to find this person. I don't get how they were so cool and calm, knowing she was out there alone.

Thank you. :wub:

The not knowing has to be the worse.

jmo

[boo]

Pretty soon he'll be downing a bottle of Maalox every time someone says Anthony, poor man.

Maalox or something stronger. I remember when I was a bartender, and I'd get the sporadic Chivas and milk request. I swear, 9 out of 10 times, it was either a cop or an attorney. :laugh:

[sammy62]

Thank you.. I had never heard that.......

Maybe that has a lot to do with why Casey won't speak to them let alone give them a glance in court......

moo

this was casey's statement.

http://www.wftv.com/video/18675729/index.html

[True2Blues]

Maalox or something stronger. I remember when I was a bartender, and I'd get the sporadic Chivas and milk request. I swear, 9 out of 10 times, it was either a cop or an attorney. :laugh:

I've never heard of that. Ick. :tongue: LOL

[boo]

this was casey's statement.

http://www.wftv.com/video/18675729/index.html

Ah yes, the infamous English to Spanish press conference. You know he's making History here, being the only Hispanic Attorney of his caliber.

Sheesh. Him and Cindy are truly legends in their own minds.

[Imperfect4]

Ah yes, the infamous English to Spanish press conference. You know he's making History here, being the only Hispanic Attorney of his caliber.

Sheesh. Him and Cindy are truly legends in their own minds.

We will learn to respect them.

Oh! Was that a pig that just flew by?






:lol: :lol:

[AMS80]

Hello Everyone! Several things that have me wondering such as #1where is brother Lee and has he made his escape by either leaving the state or country? Why was Sindy, Georgie boy and her new family(Dennis Milstead & wife) not criminally charged after chasing, impersonating LE(Milstead) attempting to imprision, threaten and bullying the group of women? I read somewhere that Sindy had been working as a nurse manager with an expired nursing license and what happened to her employment. No doubt her employer had several grounds for dismissal. And finally, why isn't there an investigation into the fradulent income source Georgie and Sindy have? Don't even get me started on the relationship with the Milsteads and Michelle Bart.

AnnieBell

Hi everyone! Just wanted to jump on here and say that my family and I are vacationing at Walt Disney World and we took some time to drive by the Anthony house, location on Suburban drive where sweet Caylee was found, and also Jay Blanchard Park. Lee's car was parked out front of the Anthony's house. It was the same day that George and Cindy were on the Today show and the same day the vigil was at JBP (Tuesday?). I wanted to stress how unbelievable it was to me to see just how close to the Anthony's house they found Caylee. It is very different actually seeing it in person...it is VERY close. I got pictures of the sites and will try to post them when I'm back home.

[joolz]

does anyone here believe that casey really wanted caylee in the first place? i sure don't. given her absolute wilfulness to do what SHE wanted to do, why do you suppose she didn't go and have an abortion? based on the way she ran her life, i don't think that option would have disturbed her too much. it appears to me that g&c allowed her to do basically whatever she wanted, and didn't keep too close a tab on her.

i've heard some say it was cindy that influenced casey to have caylee. but, given casey's apparent "live each day like it's your last" attitude, what did cindy think that having a child do? make casey settle down? stroke cindy's ego by allowing her to say she had a grandchild? just prove that cindy was the one truly in control?

all rhetorical questions, i know.

I don't think Casey wanted a baby, not for one minute. I do think it's possible - given her talent at "dissembling," probably even to herself - that she waited to long to be able to have a safe abortion. I suspect it was Cindy who convinced Casey not to give Caylee up for adoption, and by that time they were all living in the Anthony version of reality: we'll all be soooooooooooo happy and even more the perfect family after the baby is born.

And I would bet that there were times that Casey loved having Caylee because of all the attention it got her. Until the baby became a walking, talking hindrance to Casey's so-called lifestyle. All of this is jmo.

[crimeq]

this question was bouncing around in my brain all morning.

in all their tv appearances and radio or newspaper interviews, has anyone ever come out and directly asked George, Lee, or Cindy what they feel the sentence should be for Caylee's murderer?

Not to my knowledge, but both C&G were emphatic on LKL that they did not believe in the death penalty, ever. Hard to believe of a former LE homicide guy (sheriff's deputy who handled some homicide, is what I understand ???)

Now, shift that a bit and imagine that Caylee really had been killed by someone other than Casey. What do you think both C&G would be screaming from the rooftops? DEATH PENALTY for the perpetrator.

[happygert]

my DD was missing for 8 very long days. By the Grace of god she was found alive. When I think about it the panic sets in all over..might add she was 18 and no help for adult missing children from any one..That really pi$$es me off.. Even when the person who took her has several arrests for domestic violence and was just arrested the night before for beating her .

It really gets my blood boiling that the A's use Caylee as a missing child when they knew full well she was dead by the hands of casey.. There's a lot of missing children out there that could have used the attention they got and abused it.. Just like Tim Miller Stacy Peterson's Family called hm to see if they would help search for her.. He had to turn them away because he was looking for Caylee.. and to boot he spent the most money looking for Caylee then he has in any other case. They were almost broke by the time he got done.. And Caylee was only 15 houses away.. Im sure there was others too to turned away..

Then the way cindy treated him was horrible.He eveen had to hire more people in his office because of all the phone calls and emails he was getting from people because of cindy. they wanted there donations returned. Which of course Tim sent money back to them. Just like when kinko's donated 1500.dollars worth of supplies to TES george went to get them and NEVER brought them back.. Tim had to come up with another 1500 dollars and go buy what he needed. Dont think he ever got an apology or thank you from them. The A's are the most disgusting family I have ever seen. WHO does these people think they are?

[margaritaville]

this was casey's statement.

http://www.wftv.com/video/18675729/index.html

Wow..Everything she asked for they did the complete opposite...

Is that there way of saying they "know" she is guilty?

[Imperfect4]

I don't think Casey wanted a baby, not for one minute. I do think it's possible - given her talent at "dissembling," probably even to herself - that she waited to long to be able to have a safe abortion. I suspect it was Cindy who convinced Casey not to give Caylee up for adoption, and by that time they were all living in the Anthony version of reality: we'll all be soooooooooooo happy and even more the perfect family after the baby is born.

And I would bet that there were times that Casey loved having Caylee because of all the attention it got her. Until the baby became a walking, talking hindrance to Casey's so-called lifestyle. All of this is jmo.

ITA with your o. :thumbup:

[crimeq]

does anyone here believe that casey really wanted caylee in the first place? i sure don't. given her absolute wilfulness to do what SHE wanted to do, why do you suppose she didn't go and have an abortion? based on the way she ran her life, i don't think that option would have disturbed her too much. it appears to me that g&c allowed her to do basically whatever she wanted, and didn't keep too close a tab on her.

i've heard some say it was cindy that influenced casey to have caylee. but, given casey's apparent "live each day like it's your last" attitude, what did cindy think that having a child do? make casey settle down? stroke cindy's ego by allowing her to say she had a grandchild? just prove that cindy was the one truly in control?

all rhetorical questions, i know.

I answer "yes" to your rhetorical questions -- "yes" to all of the above.

Cindy didn't acknowledge that Casey was PG until she was in her 7th month, way past time to obtain an abortion. I think Casey just went day to day, minute to minute, and just didn't deal with it -- or was in such denial or fear of Cindy, she just couldn't "go there".

ETA, I wonder what Cindy would have advised Casey to do had she been in her first trimester. As a nurse, she would understand abortion medically, and they didn't have any strong religious convictions they were living out. I wonder what would have been ....

[Dtviewer3]

Issue #1: Legal Standing
I think that C&G probably do have legal standing. ---snipped--------

(for example, multiple healing fractures) then I expect the judge will not seal the autopsy report.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Thanks for the post Kat--always good to get your take on the legal matters.

What did you think about Brad Conways comments on T.V.?


"CHRIS CUOMO, ABC NEWS: The prosecution seems to be bent on Casey as the prime suspect, the only suspect, really. Is there reason to believe that it could be anyone else?

BRAD CONWAY, ATTORNEY FOR GEORGE AND CINDY ANTHONY: I think there`s reason to believe that other people were involved. The question is, what was their involvement? How deep was it? Was it minimal or was it actually bordering on conspiracy?

CUOMO: But do you know of any theory that rules out Casey as being under the umbrella of suspicion here?

CONWAY: I do not, no. I don`t."

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../17/ng.01.html

[bchand]

Hi everyone! Just wanted to jump on here and say that my family and I are vacationing at Walt Disney World and we took some time to drive by the Anthony house, location on Suburban drive where sweet Caylee was found, and also Jay Blanchard Park. Lee's car was parked out front of the Anthony's house. It was the same day that George and Cindy were on the Today show and the same day the vigil was at JBP (Tuesday?). I wanted to stress how unbelievable it was to me to see just how close to the Anthony's house they found Caylee. It is very different actually seeing it in person...it is VERY close. I got pictures of the sites and will try to post them when I'm back home.

Thanks for that update AMS. Very interesting. Did you happen to go to the vigil?

[boo]

We will learn to respect them.

Oh! Was that a pig that just flew by?






:lol: :lol:

Oh no you din't.
Are you dissin' JB? :sneaky:

[crimeq]

Pretty soon he'll be downing a bottle of Maalox every time someone says Anthony, poor man.

Don't you wonder how he deals with it? We find this to be the most unbelievable and obnoxious case and group of people ever seen, and he has to run the courtroom where the circus plays. I wonder what he thinks when he goes home at night.

[5boxersmom]

my DD was missing for 8 very long days. By the Grace of god she was found alive. When I think about it the panic sets in all over..might add she was 18 and no help for adult missing children from any one..That really pi$$es me off.. Even when the person who took her has several arrests for domestic violence and was just arrested the night before for beating her .

It really gets my blood boiling that the A's use Caylee as a missing child when they knew full well she was dead by the hands of casey.. There's a lot of missing children out there that could have used the attention they got and abused it.. Just like Tim Miller Stacy Peterson's Family called hm to see if they would help search for her.. He had to turn them away because he was looking for Caylee.. and to boot he spent the most money looking for Caylee then he has in any other case. They were almost broke by the time he got done.. And Caylee was only 15 houses away.. Im sure there was others too to turned away..

Then the way cindy treated him was horrible.He eveen had to hire more people in his office because of all the phone calls and emails he was getting from people because of cindy. they wanted there donations returned. Which of course Tim sent money back to them. Just like when kinko's donated 1500.dollars worth of supplies to TES george went to get them and NEVER brought them back.. Tim had to come up with another 1500 dollars and go buy what he needed. Dont think he ever got an apology or thank you from them. The A's are the most disgusting family I have ever seen. WHO does these people think they are?

Not only did Cindy call TM a drunk but if my memory is right they accused him of taking a donation jar or something like that too.

jmo

[bchand]

We will learn to respect them.

Oh! Was that a pig that just flew by?






:lol: :lol:

Several -

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v711/Bettychand/FlyingPigs.gif

[Lavinia]

Not only did Cindy call TM a drunk but if my memory is right they accused him of taking a donation jar or something like that too.

jmo

That's a fact, Jack. (She left TM a message on his machine about it, too, threatening to expose him for taking the donation jar. :rolleyes:)

[joolz]

Ah yes, the infamous English to Spanish press conference. You know he's making History here, being the only Hispanic Attorney of his caliber.

Sheesh. Him and Cindy are truly legends in their own minds.

I can only hope he is the only attorney of any ethnicity, anywhere of his caliber. :sneaky:

[bchand]

That's a fact, Jack. (She left TM a message on his machine about it, too, threatening to expose him for taking the donation jar. :rolleyes:)

Of course in the same message, she incriminates herself for dispensing medicine. (Possibly)

[boo]

Hi everyone! Just wanted to jump on here and say that my family and I are vacationing at Walt Disney World and we took some time to drive by the Anthony house, location on Suburban drive where sweet Caylee was found, and also Jay Blanchard Park. Lee's car was parked out front of the Anthony's house. It was the same day that George and Cindy were on the Today show and the same day the vigil was at JBP (Tuesday?). I wanted to stress how unbelievable it was to me to see just how close to the Anthony's house they found Caylee. It is very different actually seeing it in person...it is VERY close. I got pictures of the sites and will try to post them when I'm back home.

Disgustingly close I imagine. Anything less than 2 miles from their home should have been searched. G & C probably drove by that lot at least dozens of times and yet, we are supposed to believe that not once did they maybe consider the thought that Caylee might just be in one of these vacant swampy lots?

Pictures ~ YEA!!!

[sammy62]

I answer "yes" to your rhetorical questions -- "yes" to all of the above.

Cindy didn't acknowledge that Casey was PG until she was in her 7th month, way past time to obtain an abortion. I think Casey just went day to day, minute to minute, and just didn't deal with it -- or was in such denial or fear of Cindy, she just couldn't "go there".

ETA, I wonder what Cindy would have advised Casey to do had she been in her first trimester. As a nurse, she would understand abortion medically, and they didn't have any strong religious convictions they were living out. I wonder what would have been ....

In one of Cindy's interviews IIRC...she said she and Casey both believed in abortion.

[Katprint]

Hi everyone! Just wanted to jump on here and say that my family and I are vacationing at Walt Disney World and we took some time to drive by the Anthony house, location on Suburban drive where sweet Caylee was found, and also Jay Blanchard Park. Lee's car was parked out front of the Anthony's house. It was the same day that George and Cindy were on the Today show and the same day the vigil was at JBP (Tuesday?). I wanted to stress how unbelievable it was to me to see just how close to the Anthony's house they found Caylee. It is very different actually seeing it in person...it is VERY close. I got pictures of the sites and will try to post them when I'm back home.<bolding added by me>

It looks extremely close in the aerial photographs.

The nearness of the remains reinforces my lack of confidence in any so-called "alerts" by the cadaver sniffing dogs. The law firm I used to work for defended several central California school districts in claims/lawsuits arising out of numerous incidents where unreliable drug-sniffing dogs "alerted" to menstruating girls or students who had dogs at home as well as occasionally biting random students. I hear commentators on Nancy Grace bring up the cadaver dogs to support this theory or that hypothesis and I just silently shake my head.

These cadaver dogs could accurately smell the tiniest traces at the house BUT COULD NOT SMELL AN ACTUAL CADAVER a few hundred feet away? Unbelievable.

Unlike search and rescue dogs that are taken off their leashes and allowed to roam looking for the victim(s), sniffing dogs are led by their handlers to a particular place of suspicion. My honest belief is that "sniffing" dogs often alert because they pick up subliminal clues from their handlers rather than because they smelled the target smell.

I think there is overwhelming evidence proving that Casey murdered Caylee but I just don't have any confidence in the so-called "alerts" by the cadaver dogs.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[AMS80]

Thanks for that update AMS. Very interesting. Did you happen to go to the vigil?

Hi! No we did not stay for the vigil. We went to JBP around 4 and saw news vans so we knew something was up. The vigil apparently didn't start til 6?

Another thing that struck me is that JBP isn't really that close to the Anthony's house...unless we are just tourists who don't know our way around :) The Amscot where the car was dumped is close to JBP right? I saw that one because there is a Papa John's right next to it. There is also an Amscot close to the Anthony house (which I thought was the one at first) as well as a blockbuster and a subway in the same plaza. I get confused as to where all the stuff took place. I thought I knew a lot about this case but got easily confused with sites when I was actually there.

IMO.

[denjet]

does anyone here believe that casey really wanted caylee in the first place? i sure don't. given her absolute wilfulness to do what SHE wanted to do, why do you suppose she didn't go and have an abortion? based on the way she ran her life, i don't think that option would have disturbed her too much. it appears to me that g&c allowed her to do basically whatever she wanted, and didn't keep too close a tab on her.

i've heard some say it was cindy that influenced casey to have caylee. but, given casey's apparent "live each day like it's your last" attitude, what did cindy think that having a child do? make casey settle down? stroke cindy's ego by allowing her to say she had a grandchild? just prove that cindy was the one truly in control?

all rhetorical questions, i know.
I thought about this and think that KC probably told her mother too late to have an abortion (but not at 7 months). So KC's only choice was to have the baby or put her up for adoption which she didn't want to do ... I think all the hype about her having a miscarriage (Brandon's child supposedly) was that she had an abortion. Of course, Cindy would never want KC's promiscuity and irresponsible behavior known to anyone especially not her family hence the ridiculous excuses and cover up for KC. JMO

[runnnempty]

Not only did Cindy call TM a drunk but if my memory is right they accused him of taking a donation jar or something like that too.

jmo

Here's a link, you can listen to the message.


http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/06/16/cayleecasey-anthony-case-exclusive-cindy-anthonys-scathing-message-to-tim-miller/

[Imperfect4]

Several -

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v711/Bettychand/FlyingPigs.gif

ROTFLMAO!!! :lol: :thumbsup:

[margaritaville]

Maybe there is something good to come from the Caylee bears....

http://johninflorida.wordpress.com/2009/06/11/what-goes-around-comes-around/

[bchand]

Disgustingly close I imagine. Anything less than 2 miles from their home should have been searched. G & C probably drove by that lot at least dozens of times and yet, we are supposed to believe that not once did they maybe consider the thought that Caylee might just be in one of these vacant swampy lots?

Pictures ~ YEA!!!

Ohhh don't you remember Cindy's slip up?

"We don't believe she's in the woods" ooops

[Imperfect4]

<snipped to address>

I think there is overwhelming evidence proving that Casey murdered Caylee but I just don't have any confidence in the so-called "alerts" by the cadaver dogs.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

With regard to the car ... the dogs alerting ... the remarks made by witnesses to the smell ... the "iffy" Body Farm smell test results ... I'm hoping the jury goes to the car, or the car comes to the jury. I think that will go a long way toward erasing doubt about what the car trunk was used for.

[denjet]

*That's* supposed to help an ulcer? :eek:

(Long ago, if you had ulcers, they would put you on a diet called the "Sippy diet". It consisted a LOT of dairy products, including copious quantities of 1/2 and 1/2 or cream. They learned that it not only didn't help, it harmed the gut.)

LOL prolly won't help an ulcer, but drink enough of them and you won't care! :tonguewag:

[bchand]

Hi! No we did not stay for the vigil. We went to JBP around 4 and saw news vans so we knew something was up. The vigil apparently didn't start til 6?

Another thing that struck me is that JBP isn't really that close to the Anthony's house...unless we are just tourists who don't know our way around :) The Amscot where the car was dumped is close to JBP right? I saw that one because there is a Papa John's right next to it. There is also an Amscot close to the Anthony house (which I thought was the one at first) as well as a blockbuster and a subway in the same plaza. I get confused as to where all the stuff took place. I thought I knew a lot about this case but got easily confused with sites when I was actually there.

IMO.

Oh I'll bet. I probably would have to map it all out before I tried to find all the places.

[5boxersmom]

Here's a link, you can listen to the message.


http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/06/16/cayleecasey-anthony-case-exclusive-cindy-anthonys-scathing-message-to-tim-miller/

Thanks. I don't know if I have ever hear that before. I read about though. Her true colors really showed in that message. Almost sounds drunk.

jmo imo

[Dtviewer3]

<bolding added by me>

It looks extremely close in the aerial photographs.

The nearness of the remains reinforces my lack of confidence in any so-called "alerts" by the cadaver sniffing dogs. The law firm I used to work for defended several central California school districts in claims/lawsuits arising out of numerous incidents where unreliable drug-sniffing dogs "alerted" to menstruating girls or students who had dogs at home as well as occasionally biting random students. I hear commentators on Nancy Grace bring up the cadaver dogs to support this theory or that hypothesis and I just silently shake my head.

These cadaver dogs could accurately smell the tiniest traces at the house BUT COULD NOT SMELL AN ACTUAL CADAVER a few hundred feet away? Unbelievable.

Unlike search and rescue dogs that are taken off their leashes and allowed to roam looking for the victim(s), sniffing dogs are led by their handlers to a particular place of suspicion. My honest belief is that "sniffing" dogs often alert because they pick up subliminal clues from their handlers rather than because they smelled the target smell.

I think there is overwhelming evidence proving that Casey murdered Caylee but I just don't have any confidence in the so-called "alerts" by the cadaver dogs.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions


Even with the remains being triple bagged AND possibly underwater by the time the dogs searched?

BTW, I posted to you a few posts above. Could you give your opinion on that?

[ish]

Wow..Everything she asked for they did the complete opposite...

Is that there way of saying they "know" she is guilty?

I've always thought Cindy has done a lot of things that show she "knows" even though her public stance has been supportive of Casey. This, in particular, was a total slap in the face to Casey.

[happygert]

Not only did Cindy call TM a drunk but if my memory is right they accused him of taking a donation jar or something like that too.

jmo


Yes she sure did .. with supposedly 300 hundred dollars in it.. she's a real piece of (crap)...work

[Diney]

I don't think Casey wanted a baby, not for one minute. I do think it's possible - given her talent at "dissembling," probably even to herself - that she waited to long to be able to have a safe abortion. I suspect it was Cindy who convinced Casey not to give Caylee up for adoption, and by that time they were all living in the Anthony version of reality: we'll all be soooooooooooo happy and even more the perfect family after the baby is born.

And I would bet that there were times that Casey loved having Caylee because of all the attention it got her. Until the baby became a walking, talking hindrance to Casey's so-called lifestyle. All of this is jmo.

I agree. Also things had changed since she acquired her new group of friends. The other group - Ricardo etc.- allowed and welcomed Caylee's visits, to the point of spending the night.

Her new friends however, were making strong hints about keeping Caylee
away during parties, overnighters etc. Caylee was definitely cramping her style with this group. mo

[denjet]

:laugh::laugh: Cures brain tumors, emphysema, arthritis and all?

LOL and you don't need a prescription!
:beer:

[bchand]

I agree. Also things had changed since she acquired her new group of friends. The other group - Ricardo etc.- allowed and welcomed Caylee's visits, to the point of spending the night.

Her new friends however, were making strong hints about keeping Caylee
away during parties, overnighters etc. Caylee was definitely cramping her style with this group. mo

Very astute observation. Things changed, so Caylee was expendable.

Plus, she stabs her mother right in the heart.

[Roux]

Regarding Judge S's ruling on the video, he issued an order and there was no hearing; however, there will be a hearing on the release of the autopsy report. Can you brilliant peeps tell me why is a hearing necessary tomorrow and not simply an order? TIA.

[cassidy]

Exactly, 5boxersmom!

How could you not look under every stone, tree, (paver?), bush, etc.
How can you go to sleep at night, knowing she is out there alone, in the dark and yes, presumably dead, but still.

I'm telling you, firsthand, it is the NOT knowing that kills you and it never goes away. It gnaws at you from the time you wake up until the time you go to bed. You inherently NEED to find this person. I don't get how they were so cool and calm, knowing she was out there alone.

Thank you. :wub:

You guys nailed what really bothers me about the Anthony's. They didn't appeared to be gnawed at by grief. There didn't seem to be any overwhelming need to find Caylee. The flitted around from talk show to talk show but they DIDN'T LOOK FOR HER. They talked about how they felt, but they NEVER talked about how SHE might feel. Was she scared out there? Even if they bought the "nanny has her" story, didn't they wonder if she felt abandoned? Didn't THEY miss her? She was an almost 3 year old out there all alone and they didn't seem to be bothered by that in the least.

JMO

[Unleashed]

ITA. I would be out walking and looking. I couldn't just sit in the house.

jmo

5boxersmom, most normal human beings would have to be dragged kicking and screaming away from a search.
These are not normal human beings. There are days I doubt they are even human beings.

JMO

[Scampi]

Regarding Judge S's ruling on the video, he issued an order and there was no hearing; however, there will be a hearing on the release of the autopsy report. Can you brilliant peeps tell me why is a hearing necessary tomorrow and not simply an order? TIA.

IMO, because Judge Strickland is very concerned with First Amendment rights, he is allowing the attorney for the media to present their case for the public's right to have this information, under the Florida Sunshine Act. I think there is a very good chance he will release this report.

[5boxersmom]

5boxersmom, most normal human beings would have to be dragged kicking and screaming away from a search.
These are not normal human beings. There are days I doubt they are even human beings.

JMO

There is woods behind my house. Some of it is ours, some of it belongs to a couple of neighbors. I would be walking that woods. Yes I would.

jmo

[court~critic1®]

<bolding added by me>

It looks extremely close in the aerial photographs.

The nearness of the remains reinforces my lack of confidence in any so-called "alerts" by the cadaver sniffing dogs. The law firm I used to work for defended several central California school districts in claims/lawsuits arising out of numerous incidents where unreliable drug-sniffing dogs "alerted" to menstruating girls or students who had dogs at home as well as occasionally biting random students. I hear commentators on Nancy Grace bring up the cadaver dogs to support this theory or that hypothesis and I just silently shake my head.

These cadaver dogs could accurately smell the tiniest traces at the house BUT COULD NOT SMELL AN ACTUAL CADAVER a few hundred feet away? Unbelievable.

Unlike search and rescue dogs that are taken off their leashes and allowed to roam looking for the victim(s), sniffing dogs are led by their handlers to a particular place of suspicion. My honest belief is that "sniffing" dogs often alert because they pick up subliminal clues from their handlers rather than because they smelled the target smell.

I think there is overwhelming evidence proving that Casey murdered Caylee but I just don't have any confidence in the so-called "alerts" by the cadaver dogs.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions



Katprint I am sorry you have had bad experiences with cadaver dogs.


I on the other hand only have great praise for them. IF it wasn't for those dogs my 2 grand-daughters would not have been found. They were even in water. I thank God each, and every day for cadaver dogs.

Think back to the bombing of the Murry Building. Those dogs worked untill their feet bled. They found bodies for families. Which without them the families may have never had their family member to bury.


I have agreed with just about each and everything you have posted. This though I can't.

okey... off my soapbox. I still respect and enjoy you!!!!!

safe one!!

[Roux]

IMO, because Judge Strickland is very concerned with First Amendment rights, he is allowing the attorney for the media to present their case for the public's right to have this information, under the Florida Sunshine Act. I think there is a very good chance he will release this report.

I was just confused why there wasn't a hearing on the video as well. But no matter, I hope that the autopsy report is released and I hope Conway gets a dressing down. After the way he's acted and all the stuff he's spouted, I cannot stand him.

[*MoonRider*]

I was just confused why there wasn't a hearing on the video as well. But no matter, I hope that the autopsy report is released and I hope Conway gets a dressing down. After the way he's acted and all the stuff he's spouted, I cannot stand him.

IIRC Jose Bandito asked that the jail video hearing not be held in open court. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong. :rolleyes:

[farrahrani]

Wow..Everything she asked for they did the complete opposite...

Is that there way of saying they "know" she is guilty?

That would be a way of getting some kind of vindication for Caylee. Which I don't was ever their intention. Someone else said it was all about control, which I am in total agreement with. Control, and bragging rights, and possession.

Also the fact that there won't be any graveside memorials can only be a plus in Cindy's book.

[*MoonRider*]

That would be a way of getting some kind of vindication for Caylee. Which I don't was ever their intention. Someone else said it was all about control, which I am in total agreement with. Control, and bragging rights, and possession.

Also the fact that there won't be any graveside memorials can only be a plus in Cindy's book.

Cindy was worried about grave robbers. :ohmy: She also made it clear that the cremains were not at her house out of fear the some FLAB would break into her home to steal them. They are some sick people imo

[Pruddennce]

Oh, for the good old days, when people could throw rotten fruit and veg at 'acts' they didn't like.

retro is 'in'..........Im not sure if I want to make a mess all over them or hurt their brains like they have hurt mine.....

somebody PLEASE tell me how that voicemail to Tim Miller got out....was he holding on to it with a view towards choosing an appropriate time...as if there was NEVER a right time???? gawd....

Cindy and winning....how despicable she is....to even bring up Tim's Miller's daughter.....his organization represents his sorrow and hope for others to find their missing loved one dead or alive...

she should be PUBLICALLY denounced.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[farrahrani]

Cindy was worried about grave robbers. :ohmy: She also made it clear that the cremains were not at her house out of fear the some FLAB would break into her home to steal them. They are some sick people imo

lol...she SAID she was worried about graverobbers...which of course, means something else entirely. I bet it was to ensure no more testing could be done in the event more evidence leading to a new theory is found.

[Pruddennce]

Ohhh don't you remember Cindy's slip up?

"We don't believe she's in the woods" ooops

and here it is....thanks for reminder bchand....Cindy, the only person whose beliefs should be held to the highest standard....NOT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmGLTPZqBHU&feature=PlayList&p=729F85359B26A487&index=0&playnext=1

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence......*

[Imperfect4]

You guys nailed what really bothers me about the Anthony's. They didn't appeared to be gnawed at by grief. There didn't seem to be any overwhelming need to find Caylee. The flitted around from talk show to talk show but they DIDN'T LOOK FOR HER. They talked about how they felt, but they NEVER talked about how SHE might feel. Was she scared out there? Even if they bought the "nanny has her" story, didn't they wonder if she felt abandoned? Didn't THEY miss her? She was an almost 3 year old out there all alone and they didn't seem to be bothered by that in the least.

JMO

Very well said. This was my biggest problem with them, too. Initially. (Now I can't keep track of all the problems I have with them, lol.)

[Imperfect4]

I was just confused why there wasn't a hearing on the video as well. But no matter, I hope that the autopsy report is released and I hope Conway gets a dressing down. After the way he's acted and all the stuff he's spouted, I cannot stand him.

Roux -- there've been at least two hearings on that dang video. You must've missed them. You missed nothing.

[Rapunzel]

Don't know if this has been posted yet...if it has to bad...:tonguewag::tonguewag:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/06/18/cayleecasey-anthony-case-scamthony-series-ii-conway-and-george-and-cindy-anthony-in-court-to-stop-autopsy-release/

Anthony's say they have executed Power of Attorney over Caylee’s remains, but Conway does not include it in the motion...

WTH...this is just like the time he wanted them excused from depo's saying they were to fragile and given 10 freakin days to produce medical evidence, which he could not...

So, if this goes like the other one...he will prolly be given 10 days to produce the Power of Attorney.

[denjet]

Don't know if this has been posted yet...if it has to bad...:tonguewag::tonguewag:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/06/18/cayleecasey-anthony-case-scamthony-series-ii-conway-and-george-and-cindy-anthony-in-court-to-stop-autopsy-release/

Anthony's say they have executed Power of Attorney over Caylee’s remains, but Conway does not include it in the motion...

WTH...this is just like the time he wanted them excused from depo's saying they were to fragile and given 10 freakin days to produce medical evidence, which he could not...

So, if this goes like the other one...he will prolly be given 10 days to produce the Power of Attorney.
Hi Rap!
They can all the power of attorney over Caylee's remains that they want ... not even sure you CAN have power of attorney over remains, but whatever ... The Ants are in possession of the remains ... the state is not asking to do anything with the remains, they've been turned over to the Ants ... the autopsy report, however, is the State's and the Ants can stand that they can't control the release of it ... IMO

[margaritaville]

Ok here is a very morbid thought ...But....

**what if ** Kronk had snapped a few pictures of Caylee's remains with his cell phone? Anyone think he did that???

I mean he sold pictures of the snake....Makes me believe he has picures of poor Caylee's skull wrapped in duct tape.......


MOO

[AnnieBell]

Happy Birthday, Des. :wub:

I wonder if Cindy brings her camera and tri-pod tomorrow. I know it's not a depo, but I still don't think it's beneath Cindy to disrespect the court.

I also believe that Brad Conway is probably on his way out.. by choice.

From what I have heard and read, he was/is a respected attorney and this certainly can't be good for his reputation.

Something else I was thinking about last night. The autopsy report and Cindy's vehement defiance in not wanting its release. Did anybody every confirm those necklaces (crosses maybe?) that were discussed early, early on? Were those debunked and/or just forgotten about? Could Caylee have been buried with that supposed cross necklace? I know I'm forgetting so much, but wasn't there talks of 2 identical cross necklaces being purchased back in the beginning that never surfaced?

Then again, maybe this was a Lenny Padillaism. So much to try and remember.

Good morning everybody. :smile:

If Brad was a respectable attorney he would have ran from this family a long time ago. Instead he has consistently made false statements(lies?) to protect G & C, teamed with JB and his weasel ways, was by DC's side for his deposition, cancelled the M&M deposition with a suspicious excuse and isn't he now facing a bar complaint along with his big buddy?

Anniebell

[kanzz]

Ok here is a very morbid thought ...But....

**what if ** Kronk had snapped a few pictures of Caylee's remains with his cell phone? Anyone think he did that???

I mean he sold pictures of the snake....Makes me believe he has picures of poor Caylee's skull wrapped in duct tape.......


MOO

Sure, if he had a picture phone, I'll bet he did.

[Dick Tracy]

and here it is....thanks for reminder bchand....Cindy, the only person whose beliefs should be held to the highest standard....NOT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmGLTPZqBHU&feature=PlayList&p=729F85359B26A487&index=0&playnext=1

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence......*

This is the first time I've heard this.

"In the woods or out there.. you know."

Cindy-psycho never ceases to amaze me.

[boo]

Ohhh don't you remember Cindy's slip up?

"We don't believe she's in the woods" ooops

hehe.. I had forgotten about that one.

Funny, I don't believe they bothered to look. :sneaky:

[Sun]

Afternoon All!

Autopsy motion hearing tomorrow. Yeah! Any guesses as to what is in the report the A's do not want the "endless comment and speculation in the media and public forums" about how Caylee died?

O/T Thank you for all the birthday wishes. Grins thank you for the poem!

Perhaps toxicology associated with the remains? I'm still unclear on just what items were found inside the bag along with the bones.

[*MoonRider*]

Hi Rap!
They can all the power of attorney over Caylee's remains that they want ... not even sure you CAN have power of attorney over remains, but whatever ... The Ants are in possession of the remains ... the state is not asking to do anything with the remains, they've been turned over to the Ants ... the autopsy report, however, is the State's and the Ants can stand that they can't control the release of it ... IMO

ITA, this hearing is a no brainer to me. I wonder if Brad's back will act up again so they can delay the hearing. :mad:

[True2Blues]

I don't think Casey wanted a baby, not for one minute. I do think it's possible - given her talent at "dissembling," probably even to herself - that she waited to long to be able to have a safe abortion. I suspect it was Cindy who convinced Casey not to give Caylee up for adoption, and by that time they were all living in the Anthony version of reality: we'll all be soooooooooooo happy and even more the perfect family after the baby is born.

And I would bet that there were times that Casey loved having Caylee because of all the attention it got her. Until the baby became a walking, talking hindrance to Casey's so-called lifestyle. All of this is jmo.

I think you hit the Bullseye there, Joolz.

[margaritaville]

You guys nailed what really bothers me about the Anthony's. They didn't appeared to be gnawed at by grief. There didn't seem to be any overwhelming need to find Caylee. The flitted around from talk show to talk show but they DIDN'T LOOK FOR HER. They talked about how they felt, but they NEVER talked about how SHE might feel. Was she scared out there? Even if they bought the "nanny has her" story, didn't they wonder if she felt abandoned? Didn't THEY miss her? She was an almost 3 year old out there all alone and they didn't seem to be bothered by that in the least.

JMO

IMHO because they knew she was dead.. and the only way to save the monster is to Not find Caylee. Keep telling everyone about the random sightings of Caylee..Keep LE very busy .......
Keep telling the public to get off your azz and look for her..But Alive Only!! "She isn't is the woods", she's alive....says Cindy
Hell even Jose's own spokesperson Todd Black said "This is a very serious case, involving not just the loss of the life of this little girl "
back in Oct 2008.
They knew she was gone.......For them that was enough....
For me I would still need to find my baby....And give her a proper burial....But not this Family!!!! Because they were in cover up mode...moo

[Chardonnay]

Sorry if this has already been asked and answered... Will tomorrow's hearing be live streamed? And if so, where? TIA!

[denjet]

ITA, this hearing is a no brainer to me. I wonder if Brad's back will act up again so they can delay the hearing. :mad:

Hi Moon!
Brad better not try to pull something! I think Strickland might just be getting a little tired of the delays and request from the Ants for special treatment ... at least I hope so ...
There are going to be a lot of angry bloggers!

[shellzbi]

Regarding the message Cindy left for Tim Miller.

Seems to me that Cindy was spending way to much time watching the donations and trust accounts.

I would think that her main concern would have been the safe return of Caylee.

IMO, it's always been about the money. This family is totally despicable.

I really hope LE is looking at these people very carefully. They are scams. Isn't that against the law?

[True2Blues]

Hi Moon!
Brad better not try to pull something! I think Strickland might just be getting a little tired of the delays and request from the Ants for special treatment ... at least I hope so ...
There are going to be a lot of angry bloggers!

If Brad is in such delicate health that he can't do his job, he needs to step aside and let someone else take over. Poor little hot house flower. :rolleyes:

[Scampi]

IMHO because they knew she was dead.. and the only way to save the monster is to Not find Caylee. Keep telling everyone about the random sightings of Caylee..Keep LE very busy .......
Keep telling the public to get off your azz and look for her..But Alive Only!! "She isn't is the woods", she's alive....says Cindy
Hell even Jose's own spokesperson Todd Black said "This is a very serious case, involving not just the loss of the life of this little girl "
back in Oct 2008.
They knew she was gone.......For them that was enough....
For me I would still need to find my baby....And give her a proper burial....But not this Family!!!! Because they were in cover up mode...moo


I am convinced they knew the general area where Caylee was because they had to have known about the OC's habit of burying pets in that area. But, it took them until November to finally direct their investigator to the spot, but he failed to find them

IMO, had he found them another late night visit to the area would have been made by cindy and george and instead of pulling up a cross, they would have used flashlights to find every bone of Caylee's and hide them from LE.

[Rapunzel]

<bolding added by me>

It looks extremely close in the aerial photographs.

The nearness of the remains reinforces my lack of confidence in any so-called "alerts" by the cadaver sniffing dogs. The law firm I used to work for defended several central California school districts in claims/lawsuits arising out of numerous incidents where unreliable drug-sniffing dogs "alerted" to menstruating girls or students who had dogs at home as well as occasionally biting random students. I hear commentators on Nancy Grace bring up the cadaver dogs to support this theory or that hypothesis and I just silently shake my head.

These cadaver dogs could accurately smell the tiniest traces at the house BUT COULD NOT SMELL AN ACTUAL CADAVER a few hundred feet away? Unbelievable.

Unlike search and rescue dogs that are taken off their leashes and allowed to roam looking for the victim(s), sniffing dogs are led by their handlers to a particular place of suspicion. My honest belief is that "sniffing" dogs often alert because they pick up subliminal clues from their handlers rather than because they smelled the target smell.

I think there is overwhelming evidence proving that Casey murdered Caylee but I just don't have any confidence in the so-called "alerts" by the cadaver dogs.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions


You must remember that Caylee was in that spot for quite awhile..but she may not have always been there...JMO

[5boxersmom]

Ok here is a very morbid thought ...But....

**what if ** Kronk had snapped a few pictures of Caylee's remains with his cell phone? Anyone think he did that???

I mean he sold pictures of the snake....Makes me believe he has picures of poor Caylee's skull wrapped in duct tape.......


MOO

Didn't LE take take his phone and download everything off of it?

[*MoonRider*]

If Brad is in such delicate health that he can't do his job, he needs to step aside and let someone else take over. Poor little hot house flower. :rolleyes:

He has no trouble flying to NY to be on the National media, but he can't make it to the Orange County Courthouse. If he couldn't make it, he should have done it by telephone. That tactic has worked so far. G & C still haven't answered the questions in the civil case but they have no trouble doing their "Casey is Innocent" "send your money" to us world tour. imo

[callmetree]

hey old and new friends! haven't posted in a long time but have been reading alot. just had to add my 2 cents here. cindy & george are both real pieces of work. bet none of you knew that did you? lol it's good to see you all.:wub: i honestly wanted to crawl through my television yesterday :cursing:

[True2Blues]

He has no trouble flying to NY to be on the National media, but he can't make it to the Orange County Courthouse. If he couldn't make it, he should have done it by telephone. That tactic has worked so far. G & C still haven't answered the questions in the civil case but they have no trouble doing their "Casey is Innocent" "send your money" to us world tour. imo

Funny how that works out, isn't it?

[Rapunzel]

Hi Rap!
They can all the power of attorney over Caylee's remains that they want ... not even sure you CAN have power of attorney over remains, but whatever ... The Ants are in possession of the remains ... the state is not asking to do anything with the remains, they've been turned over to the Ants ... the autopsy report, however, is the State's and the Ants can stand that they can't control the release of it ... IMO


I hope you're right!!!
I want to see the dang thing.

[5boxersmom]

hey old and new friends! haven't posted in a long time but have been reading alot. just had to add my 2 cents here. cindy & george are both real pieces of work. bet none of you knew that did you? lol it's good to see you all.:wub: i honestly wanted to crawl through my television yesterday :cursing:

I wandered where you had been. :biggrin:

Glad to see ya.

[Katprint]

Even with the remains being triple bagged AND possibly underwater by the time the dogs searched?
Yes. If the dogs can accurately "alert" on a place where a dead body rested briefly months earlier (e.g. the playhouse) despite sun, rain, wind etc. having caused any scent to dissipate then I expect them to be able to smell bagged remains - apparently LEAKY bagged remains that left a stain in Casey's smelly car - which plants have started to actually grow through, which are located a few hundred feet away. I would have MUCH greater confidence in sniffing dogs in general if they let them run around off lead like search and rescue dogs rather than leading them to particular areas under suspicion. Our law firm trained schools to use drug sniffing dogs by walking them past students' lockers and cars rather than having the dogs sniff the students' bodies; the handlers did not have any suspicions concerning any particular locker/vehicle so the "alerts" were more reliable.

BTW, I posted to you a few posts above. Could you give your opinion on that?
About Brad Conway's remarks: I think he has been as oblique as possible. The term "talking without saying anything" comes to mind. So does the situation with the Unibomber whose attorneys basically said they thought he was insane and they wanted to enter an insanity plea for him but the Unibomber did not believe he was insane and he forbade them to enter an insanity plea.

It is also possible that the Anthonys are progressing in their grief process (i.e. moving from "Denial" to "Anger") and Brad Conway's statements may reflect this new emotional progress on the part of his clients. Thus, BC is no longer claiming that Caylee is still alive (compare this to George's emotional response to the use of the word "remains" in a deposition question, as though Caylee might still be alive and referring to her as having died is somehow inappropriate) or that Casey is utterly innocent of any wrongdoing or that they still believe Casey's unbelievable lies. Perhaps the Anthonys are ready to face the ugly truth that Casey caused Caylee's death even if they would like to spread the blame a little as though that would make Casey less culpable.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[callmetree]

I wandered where you had been. :biggrin:

Glad to see ya.
thanks! afraid i might get a new dress. this case just keeps getting crazier along with me....:scared:

[TunaMelt]

ITA, this hearing is a no brainer to me. I wonder if Brad's back will act up again so they can delay the hearing. :mad:

That...or George might become depressed again...that caused a long delay last winter.

That bozo.

:rolleyes:

[Katprint]

You must remember that Caylee was in that spot for quite awhile..but she may not have always been there...JMO
That is a good point. I remember when the defense attorneys suggested that the remains were dumped while Casey was in jail; they said that proves Casey was not the murderer but to me all it proves is that Casey had some accomplices. Of course, those accomplices would have had to have access to the Anthony home in order to get the Anthonys' duct tape, trash bags and laundry hamper. On the other hand, IIRC the laundry hamper was not in the initial July photographs of the Anthony residence. A reasonable inference is that it had already been used as a container to dispose of Caylee's body.

I am having trouble wrapping my mind around the concept that someone would have successfully hidden Caylee's body somewhere else for a while but then would bring it back to the Anthonys' neighborhood. Why would they do that? To frame Casey? Who had access to the Anthony residence who would want to do that? It doesn't make sense, and if it doesn't make sense then it probably isn't true.

Having seen so many examples of Casey's lack of foresight - the Universal Studios visit with the police leaps to mind - it seems much more likely that Casey simply didn't think farther than "What can I use to wrap this with?" then "I've got to get this out of my car so where can I put it?" I doubt Casey ever thought ahead to Caylee being reported missing by Cindy. Remember how Casey wanted "just one more day" and Cindy wouldn't give it to her? I think Casey would have just vanished, maybe leaving a note claiming that she took Caylee with her. I think getting some travel money together was the "Plan B" that Casey was referring to when she was talking to TonE shortly after Caylee's so-called "disappearance" was discovered.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Pruddennce]

That is a good point. I remember when the defense attorneys suggested that the remains were dumped while Casey was in jail; they said that proves Casey was not the murderer but to me all it proves is that Casey had some accomplices. Of course, those accomplices would have had to have access to the Anthony home in order to get the Anthonys' duct tape, trash bags and laundry hamper. On the other hand, IIRC the laundry hamper was not in the initial July photographs of the Anthony residence. A reasonable inference is that it had already been used as a container to dispose of Caylee's body.

I am having trouble wrapping my mind around the concept that someone would have successfully hidden Caylee's body somewhere else for a while but then would bring it back to the Anthonys' neighborhood. Why would they do that? To frame Casey? Who had access to the Anthony residence who would want to do that? It doesn't make sense, and if it doesn't make sense then it probably isn't true.

Having seen so many examples of Casey's lack of foresight - the Universal Studios visit with the police leaps to mind - it seems much more likely that Casey simply didn't think farther than "What can I use to wrap this with?" then "I've got to get this out of my car so where can I put it?" I doubt Casey ever thought ahead to Caylee being reported missing by Cindy. Remember how Casey wanted "just one more day" and Cindy wouldn't give it to her? I think Casey would have just vanished, maybe leaving a note claiming that she took Caylee with her. I think getting some travel money together was the "Plan B" that Casey was referring to when she was talking to TonE shortly after Caylee's so-called "disappearance" was discovered.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

excellent post.

also.....your reference to Plan B: we have not seen an interview with Mark Hawkins.

she was in contact with him around the last days of her 'vacation' from the Anthony home....

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[Rapunzel]

Because she told Lee close to home and he knew that was the burial ground when they were kids...KC told him where she put the body and he went and got Caylee and placed her close to home???

Hells Bells I don't know...sounds as good as anything else.

I just find it hard to believe that all those dogs they had out not one could pick up that scent if it was only 2 blocks away.

[Barbara fl.]

IMHO because they knew she was dead.. and the only way to save the monster is to Not find Caylee. Keep telling everyone about the random sightings of Caylee..Keep LE very busy .......
Keep telling the public to get off your azz and look for her..But Alive Only!! "She isn't is the woods", she's alive....says Cindy
Hell even Jose's own spokesperson Todd Black said "This is a very serious case, involving not just the loss of the life of this little girl "
back in Oct 2008.
They knew she was gone.......For them that was enough....
For me I would still need to find my baby....And give her a proper burial....But not this Family!!!! Because they were in cover up mode...moo


You are so right.....Cindy did NOT want Caylee's remains to be found...She knew that if they were, Casey was gone for life...it didn't matter if Caylee was their granddaughter and an innocent child...all they were concerned with was saving Casey (the murderer).....

I believe that Cindy and Lee and maybe George blame Caylee for all this, they probably feel that if she had never been born, everything would be allright......This family is just that sick.....

Cindy is going to rot in hell along with her daughter.....

[Pam1569]

I am convinced they knew the general area where Caylee was because they had to have known about the OC's habit of burying pets in that area. But, it took them until November to finally direct their investigator to the spot, but he failed to find them

IMO, had he found them another late night visit to the area would have been made by cindy and george and instead of pulling up a cross, they would have used flashlights to find every bone of Caylee's and hide them from LE.

Hi Scampi, I do agree with you about them knowing where she was. They knew her habits when a pet died. But do you remember when the cameras outside the A's home disappeared? Wasn't right after she was indited by the GJ and if so do you think that it took them til November 13 to have DC find her? TIA

[True2Blues]

That...or George might become depressed again...that caused a long delay last winter.

That bozo.

:rolleyes:

Depression effects everyone at some point. It doesn't keep anyone from answering questions. George can just suck it up and get on with it!

[Dtviewer3]

Yes. If the dogs can accurately "alert" on a place where a dead body rested briefly months earlier (e.g. the playhouse) despite sun, rain, wind etc. having caused any scent to dissipate then I expect them to be able to smell bagged remains - apparently LEAKY bagged remains that left a stain in Casey's smelly car - which plants have started to actually grow through, which are located a few hundred feet away. I would have MUCH greater confidence in sniffing dogs in general if they let them run around off lead like search and rescue dogs rather than leading them to particular areas under suspicion. Our law firm trained schools to use drug sniffing dogs by walking them past students' lockers and cars rather than having the dogs sniff the students' bodies; the handlers did not have any suspicions concerning any particular locker/vehicle so the "alerts" were more reliable.
---snipped-----
Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Not to beat this to death as I dont for a minute believe dogs are infallible.
But, a few points of contention. The dogs didnt hit on the backyard or car 'months' later. More like 3 to 4 'weeks' later. She disappeared on June 15/16th, was in the trunk for a few days, and the dogs were brought in somewhere around July 16th.

Also, I dont think there is any reason to believe the body was in any 'leaky' bags in the trunk. The stain could have certainly been made when Caylees body was in the trunk before it was bagged and dumped.
I've never heard any evidence that Caylee was bagged when in the trunk?

[cassidy]

Because she told Lee close to home and he knew that was the burial ground when they were kids...KC told him where she put the body and he went and got Caylee and placed her close to home???

Hells Bells I don't know...sounds as good as anything else.

I just find it hard to believe that all those dogs they had out not one could pick up that scent if it was only 2 blocks away.

I don't know much about cadaver dogs but IIRC those dogs were leashed and confined to the Anthony yard. Perhaps if they had been allowed toroam a bit they would have found her sooner.

JMO

[Barbara fl.]

Because she told Lee close to home and he knew that was the burial ground when they were kids...KC told him where she put the body and he went and got Caylee and placed her close to home???

Hells Bells I don't know...sounds as good as anything else.

I just find it hard to believe that all those dogs they had out not one could pick up that scent if it was only 2 blocks away.


like you say...anyone guess is just as good as the others....but I think that the dogs didn't pick up the scent because of the body having been in the water....also those dogs that were used were guided by the walker.....it's when they are set loose that they do their best work....

I personally believe that the body was there all the time....the vegitation grew within the bones (what was scattered around)....I believe Casey, being at a loss as to where to put the body, thought of this spot (because she knew it well) and thought it to be the one place that no one would look....OR, she may have had plans to go back and move it later on, but never got around or never had the chance to....

Either way....she did it and she is going to pay for what she did to that innocent child.....no matter what the rest of the family feels...jmo

[trich]

excellent post.

also.....your reference to Plan B: we have not seen an interview with Mark Hawkins.

she was in contact with him around the last days of her 'vacation' from the Anthony home....

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

I always believed she expected Mark to ask her to go out to Ca..and live with him....even buy her a plane ticket.
Had he done that I believe she would have told him that Caylee was with her mom and she would have told her mom Caylee was out there with her having a good time and continue to make excuses why she could not talk to her.
Casey is known to have told Mark she had something to tell him??????

[Barbara fl.]

Not to beat this to death as I dont for a minute believe dogs are infallible.
But, a few points of contention. The dogs didnt hit on the backyard or car 'months' later. More like 3 to 4 'weeks' later. She disappeared on June 15/16th, was in the trunk for a few days, and the dogs were brought in somewhere around July 16th.

Also, I dont think there is any reason to believe the body was in any 'leaky' bags in the trunk. The stain could have certainly been made when Caylees body was in the trunk before it was bagged and dumped.
I've never heard any evidence that Caylee was bagged when in the trunk?



You could very well be correct...Casey may very well have put Caylee body in the trunk before bagging it (which would explain the stain) and when the smell came or shortly there after, she decided to bag it....

Could have been when George went to look in the trunk, that Caylee may have been just lying in there....then Casey became scared and bagged it and threw the bag in the closest spot that she could think of...

[Sun]

Hi Scampi, I do agree with you about them knowing where she was. They knew her habits when a pet died. But do you remember when the cameras outside the A's home disappeared? Wasn't right after she was indited by the GJ and if so do you think that it took them til November 13 to have DC find her? TIA

I just recall that LP did a search of the Little Econ River in JBP. It wasn't but a day or two later, that DCasey was doing his own search for Caylee's remains on Suburban Drive. Why? Could he have had prior knowledge, and the LP search gave him an idea to try to cash in somehow? By that time, Baez had already fired DCAsey (and if Hoover is to be believed, Baez hadn't paid a dime to DCasey). Or did LP's search give Cindy and George second thoughts, and they were determined to KNOW if Caylee's remains were where Casey had told them they were? .....it is branded in my mind that DCasey and Baez met with Casey in the Jail on August 8. That's also just a few days before Kronk made his first 911 call.

[kanzz]

Maybe - as polygraphs are only as good as polygraphers, cadaver dogs are only as good as their handlers. Maybe the dogs were restricted in some manner, or trained to only scope a defined radius?

:confused:

[Katprint]

I don't know much about cadaver dogs but IIRC those dogs were leashed and confined to the Anthony yard. Perhaps if they had been allowed to roam a bit they would have found her sooner.

JMO
Exactly my point. So, we don't really know if maybe the dogs alerted because Caylee's cadaver had temporarily been stashed somewhere in the Anthony house/backyard or because they happened to smell a whiff of cadaver on the breeze from down the street but couldn't get off their leash and go check it out.

And really, the whole dog issue is irrelevant. There is no doubt that Caylee is deceased. Everyone who knew what a dead body smelled like, immediately thought that Casey's car smelled like a dead body. The duct tape, trash bags and laundry hamper came from the Anthony residence (as opposed to some registered pedophile sex offender's residence). Casey was the last known person who ever say Caylee alive, and when confronted by the police she spun numerous elaborate lies rather than cooperate with the search for Caylee. Whether or not Caylee's body was briefly stashed in/under the playhouse is not really key to any issue in this case.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Pam1569]

I just recall that LP did a search of the Little Econ River in JBP. It wasn't but a day or two later, that DCasey was doing his own search for Caylee's remains on Suburban Drive. Why? Could he have had prior knowledge, and the LP search gave him an idea to try to cash in somehow? By that time, Baez had already fired DCAsey (and if Hoover is to be believed, Baez hadn't paid a dime to DCasey). Or did LP's search give Cindy and George second thoughts, and they were determined to KNOW if Caylee's remains were where Casey had told them they were? .....it is branded in my mind that DCasey and Baez met with Casey in the Jail on August 8. That's also just a few days before Kronk made his first 911 call.

Hi Sun, Cindy probably thought what a great diversion that LP made for them to have DC out there to look and know one would notice. jmo

[Katprint]

Maybe - as polygraphs are only as good as polygraphers, cadaver dogs are only as good as their handlers. Maybe the dogs were restricted in some manner, or trained to only scope a defined radius?

:confused:
There are many things that are good investigative techniques such as body language interpretation, "hunches" of experienced investigators and psychological profiling, that are not good enough to constitute admissible evidence. I have no problem with using cadaver dogs to actually locate cadavers (or with using drug sniffing dogs to actually locate illegal drugs, for that matter.) I do have a problem with the handlers being able to testify about whether or not their dog "alerted" at an area where no cadaver is found, although California does allow this kind of testimony.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[kanzz]

There are many things that are good investigative techniques such as body language interpretation, "hunches" of experienced investigators and psychological profiling, that are not good enough to constitute admissible evidence. I have no problem with using cadaver dogs to actually locate cadavers (or with using drug sniffing dogs to actually locate illegal drugs, for that matter.) I do have a problem with the handlers being able to testify about whether or not their dog "alerted" at an area where no cadaver is found, although California does allow this kind of testimony.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Yep. I have a problem with that, too. Sad that California would allow such a thing.

[wondering?]

It is so difficult to believe that a mom could put her daughter's dead body in the trunk of her car, then when the body started to decompose, get bags and have to lift that dead little body and bag it.

What mom could do this, it is just too painful to imagine.
I am trying to remember what has been said about that before.
I just find it hard to believe this. Wouldn't she have somehow bagged or wrapped her in something before putting her in her trunk.

Oh, My, I have followed this case from the first it was talked about and find is so sad to think that this little girl was given no dignity in death. Who could do this, a mom????

[seeing_eye]

IMHO because they knew she was dead.. and the only way to save the monster is to Not find Caylee. Keep telling everyone about the random sightings of Caylee..Keep LE very busy .......
Keep telling the public to get off your azz and look for her..But Alive Only!! "She isn't is the woods", she's alive....says Cindy
Hell even Jose's own spokesperson Todd Black said "This is a very serious case, involving not just the loss of the life of this little girl "
back in Oct 2008.
They knew she was gone.......For them that was enough....
For me I would still need to find my baby....And give her a proper burial....But not this Family!!!! Because they were in cover up mode...moo

Wow, you must be a mind reader! That's exactly what I've been thinking ever since the very beginning of this case. It's hard for most of us to grasp those kind of actions because of our urge to have a decent burial. But I don't think that was important at all to the Anthonys. From what I've read and heard they did not appear to be "spiritually" minded and may not have been too concerned over disposal of a body (Casey obviously wasn't since she considered a body just trash). In comparison, many of us would not even think of the body of one of our pets as trash. If you recall, the Anthonys were not at all "religious" until there was a profit in it. Now they proclaim to be in a "buddy-buddy" relationship with God. Once they realized Caylee was dead, they turned their entire focus on saving the only daughter they had left as well as saving the reputation of the family. JMO

[really3997]

Maybe we should contact Fox Orlando and ask them to put it back up permanently...:biggrin::biggrin:
Oh and we don't just want that crappy webcam...we want streaming video!!!

Now why do you need a camera when you have me.. Yes Lee still lives there I don't believe the Misteads still do. And Mallory's car was there when the A's were out of town.. So Mallory did not leave the family JMO or fact..only by evidence of a car have not seen the people

[moondance]

did i hear right that brad conway eluded that there is a conspiracy theory which involves the anthonys i thought i heard jean say that on ng but i was shocked and thought i heard it wrong. does anyone have a link ? love all of your posts. i live here behind blanchard park and have been following since the first hour. i mostly just read posts, but i must ask what did brad conway actually say? thank you for your help.

[Dtviewer3]

did i hear right that brad conway eluded that there is a conspiracy theory which involves the anthonys i thought i heard jean say that on ng but i was shocked and thought i heard it wrong. does anyone have a link ? love all of your posts. i live here behind blanchard park and have been following since the first hour. i mostly just read posts, but i must ask what did brad conway actually say? thank you for your help.

Heres what he said:

"CHRIS CUOMO, ABC NEWS: The prosecution seems to be bent on Casey as the prime suspect, the only suspect, really. Is there reason to believe that it could be anyone else?

BRAD CONWAY, ATTORNEY FOR GEORGE AND CINDY ANTHONY: I think there`s reason to believe that other people were involved. The question is, what was their involvement? How deep was it? Was it minimal or was it actually bordering on conspiracy?

CUOMO: But do you know of any theory that rules out Casey as being under the umbrella of suspicion here?

CONWAY: I do not, no. I don`t."

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../17/ng.01.html

[Lavinia]

Anyone seen Martha lately? :confused:

Is the hearing going to be streamed tomorrow anyone? :drool:

[TunaMelt]

It is so difficult to believe that a mom could put her daughter's dead body in the trunk of her car, then when the body started to decompose, get bags and have to lift that dead little body and bag it.

What mom could do this, it is just too painful to imagine.
I am trying to remember what has been said about that before.
I just find it hard to believe this. Wouldn't she have somehow bagged or wrapped her in something before putting her in her trunk.

Oh, My, I have followed this case from the first it was talked about and find is so sad to think that this little girl was given no dignity in death. Who could do this, a mom????

KC Anthony gave birth to Caylee; she was not, however, her mom or her mother.

Little Caylee was a motherless child on a lot of levels. I wish she had been so on the most literal level, because then she would have been adopted into a loving, warm family. And today she'd be a little girl, smiling and playing in the sun.

But instead she was given birth to by a cold woman who was not only not her mother--she became her murderer.

:sad::mellow:
:rose:

[Lavinia]

Maybe we should contact Fox Orlando and ask them to put it back up permanently...:biggrin::biggrin:
Oh and we don't just want that crappy webcam...we want streaming video!!!

I know we don't get access to it, but don't you guys remember the camera that LE put up on the utility pole outside the A's house? I wonder if they're still surveiling?

[TunaMelt]

Anyone seen Martha lately? :confused:

Is the hearing going to be streamed tomorrow anyone?

Hellooooooooooooooooooooooo
Lavinia!
:laugh:

I don't know the answer to either of your questions.

:huh:

[kanzz]

Now why do you need a camera when you have me.. Yes Lee still lives there I don't believe the Misteads still do. And Mallory's car was there when the A's were out of town.. So Mallory did not leave the family JMO or fact..only by evidence of a car have not seen the people

We are SO LUCKY to have you, really3997! Thank you :smile:

[summer]

It is so difficult to believe that a mom could put her daughter's dead body in the trunk of her car, then when the body started to decompose, get bags and have to lift that dead little body and bag it.

What mom could do this, it is just too painful to imagine.
I am trying to remember what has been said about that before.
I just find it hard to believe this. Wouldn't she have somehow bagged or wrapped her in something before putting her in her trunk.

Oh, My, I have followed this case from the first it was talked about and find is so sad to think that this little girl was given no dignity in death. Who could do this, a mom????

Maybe she died right there in the trunk.

[moondance]

thanks dt i guess i did hear jean c wrong- but then i read something about payback to cindy from brad because of the briefcase incident and her pushing his wc out of the way. i'm confused also was shocked to hear lp again say that george lied about seeing caylee the next morning. i just can't believe that he would lie about that. how could he????

[Pam1569]

I know we don't get access to it, but don't you guys remember the camera that LE put up on the utility pole outside the A's house? I wonder if they're still surveiling?

Hi Lavinia, IIRC they took the camera down after she was indited.

[really3997]

I know we don't get access to it, but don't you guys remember the camera that LE put up on the utility pole outside the A's house? I wonder if they're still surveiling?

Both the Camera's are gone. Unless they are doing it a differently

:shrug:

[CRRJJ]

I haven't been in the discussions much today so if this is already an answered question, I apologize. But did I hear that cindy is going to be on NG Friday night or was that something from the past? If so, I'd rather someone else question her because I don't think Nancy believes cindy is guilty of anything. I wish with all my heart that someone would take over where Larry King left off the other night and pin that egocentric witch's ears back so they stay back. :angry: :cursing:

[Sun]

Now why do you need a camera when you have me.. Yes Lee still lives there I don't believe the Misteads still do. And Mallory's car was there when the A's were out of town.. So Mallory did not leave the family JMO or fact..only by evidence of a car have not seen the people

Really! ....chuckles Cindy has Lee back under her control.

[summer]

I haven't been in the discussions much today so if this is already an answered question, I apologize. But did I hear that cindy is going to be on NG Friday night or was that something from the past? If so, I'd rather someone else question her because I don't think Nancy believes cindy is guilty of anything. I wish with all my heart that someone would take over where Larry King left off the other night and pin that egocentric witch's ears back so they stay back. :angry: :cursing:

It's just clips of Cindy. Should be a doozy.

[really3997]

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19727604/detail.html

I am still catching up on my reading so I am not sure if this was mentioned, but how come Brad can use the word "REMAINS" at least 7 times.

[Sun]

I haven't been in the discussions much today so if this is already an answered question, I apologize. But did I hear that cindy is going to be on NG Friday night or was that something from the past? If so, I'd rather someone else question her because I don't think Nancy believes cindy is guilty of anything. I wish with all my heart that someone would take over where Larry King left off the other night and pin that egocentric witch's ears back so they stay back. :angry: :cursing:

I'm pretty sure that NG isn't going to have Cindy on her show.... just lots of old video clips of Cindy. Showing her inconsistancies, lies, and evil eyebrows.

[Lavinia]

I haven't been in the discussions much today so if this is already an answered question, I apologize. But did I hear that cindy is going to be on NG Friday night or was that something from the past? If so, I'd rather someone else question her because I don't think Nancy believes cindy is guilty of anything. I wish with all my heart that someone would take over where Larry King left off the other night and pin that egocentric witch's ears back so they stay back. :angry: :cursing:

NG is apparently just running rehashed stuff we've already seen, showing her support for the OC, if I'm seeing things correctly, CRRJJ.

[Lavinia]

Both the Camera's are gone. Unless they are doing it a differently

:shrug:

Man, I HATE that. I hope they have something covert going just for the hell of it, lol.

[Rapunzel]

like you say...anyone guess is just as good as the others....but i think that the dogs didn't pick up the scent because of the body having been in the water....also those dogs that were used were guided by the walker.....it's when they are set loose that they do their best work....

I personally believe that the body was there all the time....the vegitation grew within the bones (what was scattered around)....i believe casey, being at a loss as to where to put the body, thought of this spot (because she knew it well) and thought it to be the one place that no one would look....or, she may have had plans to go back and move it later on, but never got around or never had the chance to....

Either way....she did it and she is going to pay for what she did to that innocent child.....no matter what the rest of the family feels...jmo

boohay!!!!!!!!!

[joolz]

I'm pretty sure that NG isn't going to have Cindy on her show.... just lots of old video clips of Cindy. Showing her inconsistancies, lies, and evil eyebrows.

:lol: Evil eyebrows! I love it - who would have ever dreamed that a phrase like that would actually be a perfect description!?!

[summer]

Here's something strange to me. A lot of people are certain Cindy and George will never ever be charged for anything. And if that's true I wonder why? They've certainly broken the mold for "grieving grandparents" and I can't think of another pair of family members attached to a victim who have less public sympathy or support.

If law enforcement wanted to ease public turmoil and upset they would charge them. I don't want that either, of course, anyone to be charged because of public sentiment. But why would it go the other way???

[*MoonRider*]

It is so difficult to believe that a mom could put her daughter's dead body in the trunk of her car, then when the body started to decompose, get bags and have to lift that dead little body and bag it.

What mom could do this, it is just too painful to imagine.
I am trying to remember what has been said about that before.
I just find it hard to believe this. Wouldn't she have somehow bagged or wrapped her in something before putting her in her trunk.

Oh, My, I have followed this case from the first it was talked about and find is so sad to think that this little girl was given no dignity in death. Who could do this, a mom????

You have just hit the nail on the head for potential jurors. I lose a lot of sleep thinking about how Casey took the lifeless body and disposed her like garbage and partied on. That will seal her fate imo

[joolz]

Man, I HATE that. I hope they have something covert going just for the hell of it, lol.

You, my dear, have no respect for the law, um, no, I mean, the perps, er, well. . . I agree with you.:sneaky:

[really3997]

Hi folks!
I'm sending vibes out too! Please, please, please let us see that report!!

And whoa, did the Ants come up with a new excuse for it not being released?

" The Anthonys say they fear the results will be exploited and their lawyer wants to hold off on the public release until a medical examiner can explain the results." ??????????? :confused:

I thought is was because of the anguish it would cause them! This is the first time I've seen this ... :thumbdown:

Hearing Scheduled On Release Of Caylee Autopsy Results (http://www.wftv.com/news/19789313/detail.html)


OK I might be a little off in the head but isn't that what an autopsy report does... "explain"

[CRRJJ]

:lol: Evil eyebrows! I love it - who would have ever dreamed that a phrase like that would actually be a perfect description!?!


but, it wasn't a clip from anywhere. It was like an announcement that was going to be on Friday. Now, I know this would be a surprise but I have been wrong before :blushing: so it may have happened again!! :rolleyes: Guess we'll find out tomorrow night. Thanks everyone for your replies. I appreciate it.

[gaelicpeas]

Hi Scampi, I do agree with you about them knowing where she was. They knew her habits when a pet died. But do you remember when the cameras outside the A's home disappeared? Wasn't right after she was indited by the GJ and if so do you think that it took them til November 13 to have DC find her? TIAI have been trying to figure out how they knew from what Casey said that Caylee was disposed of down the street (probably an exercise in futility since they could have had other communications besides the jail interviews/calls, plus she was out on bail for like a month.... but anyway). We know she said she was "close to home" (or hope). She also said that her passwords were important. Everyone focused on timer55 when she said that... but the other password was rico123, IIRC. There are "Rico pavers" that I found online through a google search. Maybe that is where they came up with the 3 pavers? I don't know... just going through some thiings on a slow day!

[sunstar]

Hi everybody! :seeya: Just a heads up ~ Mike Brooks is standing in for Nancy Grace tonight and he'll be talking about Caylee in a little bit.

[CRRJJ]

NG is apparently just running rehashed stuff we've already seen, showing her support for the OC, if I'm seeing things correctly, CRRJJ.

well, what I saw was more like an announcement about her program on Friday night. I don't remember it being a script or rerun. May be wrong. wouldn't be the first time. :rolleyes: I appreciate all your input. Thanks.

[Sandy001]

I have just 3 words:

YAY! YAY! YAY!

Where's our Imp for this great news?


JMO Maybe she can't find a blouse that will fit her...lol

I want to know what STANDING the Anthony familoy has in this court or this case. I have NEVER HEARD of anything like this happening. They sure didn't have POA when the autopsy was done. Not to mention that Conway neglected to provide proof of said POA. Cindy doesn't want speculation. She is so ignorant that she doesn't realize that specualation is much worse when facts are not present.

No one CARES what Cindy thinks anyway. She has been and still is so callous that she points her ugly finger at totally innocent people and then complains when people dis her? Get real.

[sunstar]

OK I might be a little off in the head but isn't that what an autopsy report does... "explain"

And I'm sure if they want a ME to explain, Nancy would be happy to get Dr. Perper on her show to go through the report. :biggrin: I think that's what the A's are trying to say, they don't want the media (especially somebody like Nancy) to "interpret" it. MOO

[Pam1569]

I have been trying to figure out how they knew from what Casey said that Caylee was disposed of down the street (probably an exercise in futility since they could have had other communications besides the jail interviews/calls, plus she was out on bail for like a month.... but anyway). We know she said she was "close to home" (or hope). She also that her passwords were important. Everyone focused on timer55 when she said that... but the other password was rico123, IIRC. There are "Rico pavers" that I found online through a google search. Maybe that is where they came up with the 3 pavers? I don't know... just going through some things on a slow day!

Hi gael, I was thinking that of the pavers also plus the thought of Timer55 was 55 steps from the street. But then this case has been driving me nuts anyway trying to figure when she placed her there the afternoon of the 17th or the 18th. I am just losing it. :drool:

[joolz]

:laugh: Sometimes "just for the hell of it" *works*, lol.

(Hey Joolz-y baby! :wub:)

Hey girl! :wub: Back atcha'!

I love having Mike Brooks sitting in for NG, who can really make me nuts sometimes. They're discussing Hayleigh Donothan now, but I think he'll get to the Anthonys. After all, it's impossible to ignore their endless stream of publicity-grabbing carp for very long, isn't it?

[Lavinia]

well, what I saw was more like an announcement about her program on Friday night. I don't remember it being a script or rerun. May be wrong. wouldn't be the first time. :rolleyes: I appreciate all your input. Thanks.

I *hope* you are right, CRRJJ, but I think NG would be the last person in the world that Cindy would give any kind of interview to. The little bit I saw on her announcement was just showing clips of the depo etc. I would give my eyeteeth if it was new material.

[Sandy001]

]ok i might be a little off in the head but isn't that what an autopsy report does... "explain"

bingo Abnd it's done in a totally unemotional way with lots of medical terminology. Not something that would bring on "anguish." Not to mention that their "anguish" can't be too bad if they are just fine with travelling to New York and appearing on camera. But then, Cindy's wiping away of her non-existent tears made me want to throw up.

[denjet]

OK I might be a little off in the head but isn't that what an autopsy report does... "explain"

Hi really!
Apparently Cindy has a different definition of autopsy report ... perhaps she needs to interpret it for us ...
Thanks for your on the scene reports ... it's so cool to here what's goin on down there! :thumbsup:

[Lavinia]

Hey girl! :wub: Back atcha'!

I love having Mike Brooks sitting in for NG, who can really make me nuts sometimes. They're discussing Hayleigh Donothan now, but I think he'll get to the Anthonys. After all, it's impossible to ignore their endless stream of publicity-grabbing carp for very long, isn't it?

I like Mike Brooks, too. I don't feel like I just got chewed out after I watch the show like if do with some other anchors, lol.

[summer]

well, what I saw was more like an announcement about her program on Friday night. I don't remember it being a script or rerun. May be wrong. wouldn't be the first time. :rolleyes: I appreciate all your input. Thanks.

I think it's a "new" compilation of old clips. First time she's done an entire hour of Cindy if that's correct. Get out the Dramamine it's gonna be a bumpy ride!

[Sandy001]

I think it's a "new" compilation of old clips. First time she's done an entire hour of Cindy if that's correct. Get out the Dramamine it's gonna be a bumpy ride! I really hope she shows all of Cindy's "mistruths" aka, lies.

[gaelicpeas]

Hi gael, I was thinking that of the pavers also plus the thought of Timer55 was 55 steps from the street. But then this case has been driving me nuts anyway trying to figure when she placed her there the afternoon of the 17th or the 18th. I am just losing it. :drool:Interesting idea about the 55 steps... but I think her remains were only like 30 feet from the road, which is about 10-12 steps if I am calculating correctly.

[summer]

I really hope she shows all of Cindy's "mistruths" aka, lies.

LOL it can hardly be avoided! :laugh:

[sunstar]

]

bingo Abnd it's done in a totally unemotional way with lots of medical terminology. Not something that would bring on "anguish." Not to mention that their "anguish" can't be too bad if they are just fine with travelling to New York and appearing on camera. But then, Cindy's wiping away of her non-existent tears made me want to throw up.

I think their problem isn't with the report itself, after all there were only bones for the ME to autopsy ~ but the problem is the ME's interpretation of her findings and that is homicide, and probably some details about the duct tape and so forth. Maybe she's determined Caylee was alive when gagged by something found on the tape? :shrug: MOO

[sunstar]

Hi gael, I was thinking that of the pavers also plus the thought of Timer55 was 55 steps from the street. But then this case has been driving me nuts anyway trying to figure when she placed her there the afternoon of the 17th or the 18th. I am just losing it. :drool:

I think it was figured out that "55" could be the 55 days between 6/15-16 and Caylee's birthday, 8/9. Remember Caylee was supposed to be returned home for her birthday, according to one version of Casey's story? :smile: MOO

[really3997]

http://johninflorida.wordpress.com/2009/06/11/what-goes-around-comes-around/

Since I am the FLB person on the street can someone get me this in an x-large....REALLY this is killing me...and please support your girls:thumbsup:

[Sandy001]

I think their problem isn't with the report itself, after all there were only bones for the ME to autopsy ~ but the problem is the ME's interpretation of her findings and that is homicide, and probably some details about the duct tape and so forth. Maybe she's determined Caylee was alive when gagged by something found on the tape? :shrug: MOO There's no doubt in my mind that Cindy will find errors that the ME made - after all, Cindy knows EVERYTHING. moo

[summer]

I think that the LE is waiting until after the trial to bring any charges about giving false information to LE & interfering in a criminal investigation charges so that they will know who to charge for what.

JMO

Thanks for your response and I agree that's a likely scenario. I'm always surprised when I hear people insist law enforcement is terrified of charging grandparents (particularly these) because they don't want to offend the public.

Anyway, guess it's a wait and see...

[Sandy001]

I think that the LE is waiting until after the trial to bring any charges about giving false information to LE & interfering in a criminal investigation charges so that they will know who to charge for what.

JMO There's plenty of evidence out there that they tried to hide the truth from LE. I don't think they will ever be charged, because THEN Cindy could really claim they were "victims." I don't see the prosecution charging them as they rarely do in cases like this.

[cassidy]

OK I might be a little off in the head but isn't that what an autopsy report does... "explain"

Well sure it is. But if the Ants don't like the way it was explained, they are going to look for another somebody to explain it again. And so on until they find someone who will explain it correctly ( at least to them ). Until that time, they want it sealed. Simple huh? :rolleyes:

JMO

[really3997]

There's no doubt in my mind that Cindy will find errors that the ME made - after all, Cindy knows EVERYTHING. moo

Well she is a nurse of Decomp

[summer]

There's plenty of evidence out there that they tried to hide the truth from LE. I don't think they will ever be charged, because THEN Cindy could really claim they were "victims." I don't see the prosecution charging them as they rarely do in cases like this.

By the time they are charged, if they are charged, who in the world will even give a hoot anymore if they cry "victim"? They've worn out public sympathy to such a degree already. IMO.

I just think this case is really different than the norm, as far as family members. Dunno.

[Rapunzel]

Now why do you need a camera when you have me.. Yes Lee still lives there I don't believe the Misteads still do. And Mallory's car was there when the A's were out of town.. So Mallory did not leave the family JMO or fact..only by evidence of a car have not seen the people

Really...really???

Wow...can I be your friend...please...please...I have chocolate!!!

[denjet]

I think their problem isn't with the report itself, after all there were only bones for the ME to autopsy ~ but the problem is the ME's interpretation of her findings and that is homicide, and probably some details about the duct tape and so forth. Maybe she's determined Caylee was alive when gagged by something found on the tape? :shrug: MOO
Hi Sun!
I'm wondering about that too ... what exactly the duct tape will tell ... Cindy's problem with the report is it's just facts ... no spin, no omissions, no mistruths, just facts ... she can't handle facts !!

Can't wait to see the drama and Papa Jo when he keeps hearing "remains" ... should be good :wink:

[summer]

And don't forget Cindy, George & Lee asked for immunity and IIRC were not granted it. Lee's att. even was quoted as saying something to the effect that his client could be charged.

JMO

Yes, and what about financial crimes? If they exist would the FBI just ignore and not charge them because they're a kinder, gentler law enforcement agency? I can't see that happening.

[denjet]

http://johninflorida.wordpress.com/2009/06/11/what-goes-around-comes-around/

Since I am the FLB person on the street can someone get me this in an x-large....REALLY this is killing me...and please support your girls:thumbsup:
LOL thought the same thing! Damn girl, wear a sports bra! :tonguewag:

[Rapunzel]

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19727604/detail.html

I am still catching up on my reading so I am not sure if this was mentioned, but how come Brad can use the word "REMAINS" at least 7 times.

Because Cindy told him he could...shhhh...don't tell George.

[True2Blues]

There's no doubt in my mind that Cindy will find errors that the ME made - after all, Cindy knows EVERYTHING. moo

No doubt. She's the one who told us all that DNA isn't reliable. :rolleyes: I just hope they make her explain to Dr. G where she went wrong. While she's working and has a knife in her hand.

[sunstar]

Hi Sun!
I'm wondering about that too ... what exactly the duct tape will tell ... Cindy's problem with the report is it's just facts ... no spin, no omissions, no mistruths, just facts ... she can't handle facts !!

Can't wait to see the drama and Papa Jo when he keeps hearing "remains" ... should be good :wink:
I agree, she can't handle it if she can't give her interpretation. MOO But speaking of a ME to "explain" the report, is there any word on who the defense will call at trial as their expert?

[cassidy]

No doubt. She's the one who told us all that DNA isn't reliable. :rolleyes: I just hope they make her explain to Dr. G where she went wrong. While she's working and has a knife in her hand.


LOL you are all in rare form tonite.:smile:

[really3997]

http://www.clickorlando.com/video/19794634/index.html

[Lavinia]

LOL thought the same thing! Damn girl, wear a sports bra! :tonguewag:

That's not really Cindy's body is it? :scared: Isn't it just her head pasted on someone else's body?

[Sun]

I think it's a "new" compilation of old clips. First time she's done an entire hour of Cindy if that's correct. Get out the Dramamine it's gonna be a bumpy ride!

NG must be a very courageous woman. I know how I get when I go back and re-watch/listen to old video clips of Cindy. ....enraged! It will be interesting to see what lies and inconsistancies NG uncovers on National TV!

[sunstar]

Go Sue Moss! You Rock! The public DOES want it released, and what's all this about an eye socket tonight on NG? I've heard now two things about an eye socket. Was her face bashed in or something?

The A's traumatized my flat A$$. I'm with Moss on this one, release it to the media and Let everyone pick the autopsy apart. It's all the Anthony's have left us with since they REFUSE to tell the truth.
Her AUTOPSY AND CAYLEE can and WILL speak for HERSELF to us all.

I can't figure out the eye socket comments either. If the report hasn't been released how would anybody know what's in it except those who have read it? I thought Dr. G said there wasn't any visible signs of trauma so if there had been an injury to the skull, it doesn't seem she would've said that. :confused: MOO

[Lavinia]

Go Sue Moss! You Rock! The public DOES want it released, and what's all this about an eye socket tonight on NG? I've heard now two things about an eye socket. Was her face bashed in or something?

The A's traumatized my flat A$$. I'm with Moss on this one, release it to the media and Let everyone pick the autopsy apart. It's all the Anthony's have left us with since they REFUSE to tell the truth.
Her AUTOPSY AND CAYLEE can and WILL speak for HERSELF to us all.

I had to set the sprinklers. What is being said about an eye socket, bugout?

[boo]

http://johninflorida.wordpress.com/2009/06/11/what-goes-around-comes-around/

Since I am the FLB person on the street can someone get me this in an x-large....REALLY this is killing me...and please support your girls:thumbsup:

OMG, that bear has fury in its eyes. I love that! :laugh:

And them must be them extra longs that were discussed earlier?

[really3997]

Really...really???

Wow...can I be your friend...please...please...I have chocolate!!!

What kind of chocolate

[Lavinia]

What kind of chocolate

Are you getting so many offers you can be picky? :punch: It's *chocolate* girl! :laugh:

[True2Blues]

NG must be a very courageous woman. I know how I get when I go back and re-watch/listen to old video clips of Cindy. ....enraged! It will be interesting to see what lies and inconsistancies NG uncovers on National TV!

If she's going to go re-watch Cindy speaking I hope she has someone watching her BP. She makes we want to kick in the TV!

[Sandy001]

I agree, she can't handle it if she can't give her interpretation. MOO But speaking of a ME to "explain" the report, is there any word on who the defense will call at trial as their expert? Baez allegedly has hired Spitz and Reichs for his epert testimony as ME. Not sure if he has discarded Koblinski or not.

[Sandy001]

If she's going to go re-watch Cindy speaking I hope she has someone watching her BP. She makes we want to kick in the TV!
Nice to see that she evokes that response in someone else besides myself.

[AnniePie]

I'm pretty sure that NG isn't going to have Cindy on her show.... just lots of old video clips of Cindy. Showing her inconsistancies, lies, and evil eyebrows.

Pardon this little OT: When my eldest was a little and I'd be upset with him for some reason, he'd say "Mommy, why are you making those ugly eyebrows at me?" :scared:

LOL And I'm sure my eyebrows were nothing compared with Mrs. Eyebrows herself.

[Rapunzel]

What kind of chocolate


What kind do you like...I will buy whatever I don't have on hand...

Hey, are you just in Orlando or do you live pretty close to the Anthony's???...without giving your address of course.

Can you walk over to Cindy's and get me that chili recipe???

[sunstar]

Baez allegedly has hired Spitz and Reichs for his epert testimony as ME. Not sure if he has discarded Koblinski or not.

Oh thanks so much :smile: I remember those names now. Dr. Spitz ~ hmmmmmm, that should be interesting!! :rolleyes: MOO

[really3997]

Are you getting so many offers you can be picky? :punch: It's *chocolate* girl! :laugh:

But, but... there are different kinds of chocolate and it is NOT all the same..you know that one piece left in the box that no one wants.. I have to make sure:crying:

[Pam1569]

Baez allegedly has hired Spitz and Reichs for his epert testimony as ME. Not sure if he has discarded Koblinski or not.

Hi Sandy, If JB has then he has to file a revised witness list which he hasn't done yet. But then again maybe it will be up to Lyon to file the new witness list. :confused:

[Lavinia]

But, but... there are different kinds of chocolate and it is NOT all the same..you know that one piece left in the box that no one wants.. I have to make sure:crying:

:laugh::laugh: Remember, Forest Gump's mothers says, "Life's like a box of chocolates. You never know what you'll get."