Wednesday, June 17

[Justice4All2]

Yeah, I'm a night owl.

I refused to listen to G & C on their pity party tour yesterday morning. They never have been able to keep their stories straight, so it's easy to see where their kids get it from. LMAO that LP called George on his tale telling on NG last night.

[adair]

I missed it all, as usuall....any chance that I can get a rdcv update?


Thank You In Advance

[adair]

I guess so...hoot...hoot.

I was just listening to this link...and somewhere around 5 minutes and something....Cindy talks about going and speaking with the tow truck driver about smelling anything suspicious.....wouldn't that be tampering or something????

Maybe I am wrong. A small, tintzzyy part of me feels so sorry for Cin during this interview........but then I think of everything that has happened after this, and it passes quickly...She is so hopefull that her Granddaughter is still a live. I can not imagine being in that position. jmo.moo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4PgTsO4GYI&NR=1

(its the hammer press conference :scared:)

[desmom]

One year ago today.....June 17, 2008

Brian Burner saw Casey back her car into the garage. Page 5 http://flawebhosting.net/docs092308/bb092308.pdf

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1643389/Stutz-Chris---Statement
Chris Stutz said Casey stopped by June 17, 18 or 19 around 5:00 p.m. She was driving a dark colored Jeep Cherokee with NY license plates. She was happy, but a little “distressed about her parents”. Casey said they were getting a divorce because George was cheating on Cindy. She told Chris about a Casey was thinking about buying a $250,000 house in a subdivision by the dump on Curry Ford. Casey stayed for 1 ½ - 2 hours.

Zenaida Gonzalez visited Sawgrass Apartments. Pages 57 – 61 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1080375/0825-Casey-Anthony-Documents-released-part-1

Page 7 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/18974626/detail.html
On June 17, 2008, the cellular activity for Casey Anthony’s cellular phone indicated movement to the south at approximately 1481 hours from the area of Semoran Blvd. and Aloma Ave. The cellular activitiy remained in the area of her parent’s residence located at 4937 Hopespring Drive, Orlando, Florida until approximately 1445 hours and briefly entered an area near Lee Vista Blvd. and T.P.C. Drive to the west. The cellular activity then moved west and remained in the area bordered by Alafaya Trail, Research Parkway and E. Colonial Drive until 1720 hours. The cellular activity then moved west and remained in the area near Anthony Lazzaro’s apartment located at **** Sutton Place, Orlando, FL until 0031 hours on June 18, 2008.

Text messages between Casey and Amy: http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1772101/AH-and-KC-Text-Messages

Amy to Casey: What is your address? I'm going to the post office to do a change of address in a little bit.

Casey to Amy 06/17 11:28 a.m.: 4937 Hopespring Drive Orlando FL 32829.

Amy to Casey: Thanks!

Casey to Amy 06/17 11:30 a.m.: Anytime love!

Casey’s Cell phone pings http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=p6Pnw95vqOo-MgZ7Vsp9pYg&gid=2

[Scampi]

Good morning everone. Thank you for the recap Des.

Here is Lenny's remarks from last night's Nancy Grace. The Caylee segment is at the very end:

CASAREZ: That is a very good question. And let`s go out to Leonard Padilla because you were in the family home. You had spoken with the family. You have known them. What are your thoughts to that question?

LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER, WILL BE DEPOSED IN TOT MOM CIVIL SUIT: Well, there`s a lot of things that keep coming up in the media. This morning, George, in some of the programs, stated that he`d seen his granddaughter on the 16th, that he had breakfast, that he helped put her in the car and all that, and none of that is true.

And this is one of the things that concerns them because they don`t want the public to know that the last time they actually saw her was the night of the 15th when Cindy gotten a big growl (ph) with her.

Now we had a lot of discussions about these things when we were there in August. And George knows that we know the truth. Cindy knows that we know the truth. They are concerned about our statements that we made to law enforcement being released also because they`re contradictory to what they themselves have stated.

So any of these things that come up, they are opposed to being in the public eye because they are usually contradictory to what Cindy and George want the public to think.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/16/ng.01.html

[desmom]

Lenny had a woman inside the A house with Casey when she was out on bond. Rob Dick drove Casey to and from the her weekly check in with the jail and JB's office.

I would like to read their interviews with LE. I am sure they got an earful while with the A's.

[BJames]

Good morning to all :smile:

I have to watch the new interview(s)..but George (now) claims that he helped put Caylee in Casey's car the day he originally said he had been watching the Food Channel..the 16th?
Wow I think I'm lost...I have never heard him say that before.
I am not quite sure if I have ever heard Cindy say when the last time she actually physically 'saw' Caylee was...I know she had her to visit her parents on the Sunday..and she 'heard' them sleeping the next morning. Maybe she hadn't seen Caylee since Casey and she had 'words' while Casey was heading out the door with Caylee on Father's Day night?
Interesting that given time and a chance of reflection, some
stories' change...and others are just dropped all together.


Just my opinion of course...

[BlueHeron]

Lenny had a woman inside the A house with Casey when she was out on bond. Rob Dick drove Casey to and from the her weekly check in with the jail and JB's office.

I would like to read their interviews with LE. I am sure they got an earful while with the A's.

I have a question about this. Wouldn't this all be hearsay and inadmissable? They have no direct knowledge of the events, only 'lee said this' 'george said that' etc. I'm kind of concerned that the fight on the 15th will not be proven. Just for my own understanding, this is what I think they can present:

1) Shirley Plesea stating that she told cindy about the stolen money, and that she wanted kc held accountable.

2) Neighbor hearing loud argument (are they certain of the date though?)

3) what else? cell pings? texts to TonE? anything?

[desmom]

I have a question about this. Wouldn't this all be hearsay and inadmissable? They have no direct knowledge of the events, only 'lee said this' 'george said that' etc. I'm kind of concerned that the fight on the 15th will not be proven. Just for my own understanding, this is what I think they can present:

1) Shirley Plesea stating that she told cindy about the stolen money, and that she wanted kc held accountable.

2) Neighbor hearing loud argument (are they certain of the date though?)

3) what else? cell pings? texts to TonE? anything?

I am not sure how that works. If what Lenny's employees heard is considered to be hearsay, then wouldn't all the statements from Casey's friends about what Casey said also hearsay? (i.e. Caylee is with the nanny)

:shrug:

[margaritaville]

I have a question about this. Wouldn't this all be hearsay and inadmissable? They have no direct knowledge of the events, only 'lee said this' 'george said that' etc. I'm kind of concerned that the fight on the 15th will not be proven. Just for my own understanding, this is what I think they can present:

1) Shirley Plesea stating that she told cindy about the stolen money, and that she wanted kc held accountable.

2) Neighbor hearing loud argument (are they certain of the date though?)

3) what else? cell pings? texts to TonE? anything?

Lee said that Cindy and Casey were in a fight Sunday night and that Cindy put her hands around Casey's throat...
Lee told Jesse, I believe.

[Scampi]

We all have questions about the hearsay rules in Florida. But, couldn't george and cindy be asked about other accounts of the facts, if they completely refute their accounts?

For example:

cindy: I did not have a fight with casey on 6/15.

Prosecutor: Would it surprise you then, that your daughter told Lee that you tried to choke her?

Would something like the above be allowed, especially if they put lee on to testify that casey told him about the choking and fight?

BTW, thank God they have george on record at the Grand Jury, there is no way he can divert from that testimony, imo.

[BlueHeron]

Lee said that Cindy and Casey were in a fight Sunday night and that Cindy put her hands around Casey's throat...
Lee told Jesse, I believe.

Right, but lee has no direct knowledge of this event. Only ca and kc, and they are not talking. I really don't think that JG saying that lee said that kc said that xyz happened is going to come in.

[farrahrani]

I have a question about this. Wouldn't this all be hearsay and inadmissable? They have no direct knowledge of the events, only 'lee said this' 'george said that' etc. I'm kind of concerned that the fight on the 15th will not be proven. Just for my own understanding, this is what I think they can present:

1) Shirley Plesea stating that she told cindy about the stolen money, and that she wanted kc held accountable.

2) Neighbor hearing loud argument (are they certain of the date though?)

3) what else? cell pings? texts to TonE? anything?


My impression of hearsay was that anything you witnessed yourself, or that someone told you directly could be used. Meaning, if Lee was present at the fight and told TonE, it could be used. BUT if it was just Cindy and Casey, and Casey later told Lee, who told TonE, then it was hearsay.

I think...I get confused easily and distracted by shiny things a lot. :confused:

[BlueHeron]

I am not sure how that works. If what Lenny's employees heard is considered to be hearsay, then wouldn't all the statements from Casey's friends about what Casey said also hearsay? (i.e. Caylee is with the nanny)

:shrug:

Some of it, surely. The texts can't be refuted, but her statements to them can. Her actions that they witnessed, and testimony about her demeanor would be admissable, but 'kc told me' will probably not be (someone with better understanding of this: please correct me if I'm wrong).

ETA: They can however, say that kc never mentioned her daughter being missing. That is the big thing I think.

[*MoonRider*]

GM, here's a video of the vigil at Blanchard Park yesterday.
http://www.wftv.com/video/19771472/index.html

[Scampi]

Lenny had a woman inside the A house with Casey when she was out on bond. Rob Dick drove Casey to and from the her weekly check in with the jail and JB's office.

I would like to read their interviews with LE. I am sure they got an earful while with the A's.

Yep, add the interviews of Rob Dick, Leonard and Tracy to the list of statements we have not seen.

[Rapunzel]

Des...thanks for the recap as usual...:thumbsup::thumbsup:

[margaritaville]

Cindy Anthony in interview>>>.

"I love my job. I miss what I was doing. I hate my job right now. I hate this job. this is not what I signed up for as a Mother or Grandmother.
But you know what, someone has to be out there and be Caylee's spokesperson"

@ 7 minutes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHMNxkI4iMk&feature=related

Okay--Cindy if you love your job so much...Go back to work!!
You have never been or ever will be "Caylee's spokesperson"...
You are "Casey's Spokesperson".
You have done NOTHING to support your Granddaughter. You can't even call her by name she is just "that girl" or "that little girl".

UGGGGG she makes me sick!!!

moo

[Rapunzel]

Cindy's interview with LE on 8/1/08

LE: What time was the last conversation, do you remember?

Cindy: With Casey?

LE: Uha, no Caylee.

Cindy: Sometime on the 15th when we put her to bed. Now George had conversation with her in the morning, she was there in the morning, had breakfast and the normal stuff.

Who is we?
Cindy did mention breakfast???

[Scampi]

GM, here's a video of the vigil at Blanchard Park yesterday.
http://www.wftv.com/video/19771472/index.html


Thanks Moonie. I am very surprised at the small turnout.:sad:

[AMS]

Thanks Moonie. I am very surprised at the small turnout.:sad:

Good morning,

I was surprised too. A poster last night did remind us that there were over 22,000 people who joined the memorial via Face Book.

really attended. She posted about it last night. She said they sang "You Are My Sunshine". :crying: :crying:

imo

[Scampi]

Good morning,

I was surprised too. A poster last night did remind us that there were over 22,000 people who joined the memorial via Face Book.

really attended. She posted about it last night. She said they sang "You Are My Sunshine". :crying: :crying:

imo

Aw, that had to be so very sad. Thanks AMS, I'll go and read what really posted.

[desmom]

Some of it, surely. The texts can't be refuted, but her statements to them can. Her actions that they witnessed, and testimony about her demeanor would be admissable, but 'kc told me' will probably not be (someone with better understanding of this: please correct me if I'm wrong).

ETA: They can however, say that kc never mentioned her daughter being missing. That is the big thing I think.

Thanks. :seeya:

but, but Casey couldn't tell because she was being threatened.... http://patrishka.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/b-casey-anthony-party-42cdb8ead5d3.jpeg

I found the Evidence Code for the State of Florida. http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=Ch0090/titl0090.htm&StatuteYear=2008&Title=-%3E2008-%3EChapter%2090

The codes for hearsay begin with chapter 90.801.

[msgatorslayer]

Cindy Anthony in interview>>>.

"I love my job. I miss what I was doing. I hate my job right now. I hate this job. this is not what I signed up for as a Mother or Grandmother.
But you know what, someone has to be out there and be Caylee's spokesperson"

@ 7 minutes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHMNxkI4iMk&feature=related

Okay--Cindy if you love your job so much...Go back to work!!
You have never been or ever will be "Caylee's spokesperson"...
You are "Casey's Spokesperson".
You have done NOTHING to support your Granddaughter. You can't even call her by name she is just "that girl" or "that little girl".

UGGGGG she makes me sick!!!

moo

:cursing: How dare she call herself Caylee's spokesperson!!!! hammer

G'morning, all!

[Rapunzel]

From Lois Peters interview with LE. Cindy told Lois not to say anything about Casey emailing her because she was not suppose to be using the computer...Did LE give them their computers back at this time??? What computer was Casey using??? Was it Lee's??? Another home one???

Bottom line...Cindy try to employ Lois to lie for her.

when we went to the Anthony home on August 3rd for the vigil we had flyers already made up for the vigil in St. Cloud. We were invited into the Anthony's home, shown the backyard, Caylee's bedroom & the rest of the house.

At our candlelight vigil Dakota was very emotionally involved ....ing (??) by the Anthonys side the entire night. Meantime Dakota & I had tables set up to hand out flyers & shirts to help find Caylee.

On Aug 23rd I got an email from Casey Anthony anxious to meet Dakota & I as I assume her parents told her about Dakota's help. Since then I've received 3 emails. Cindy Anthony told me to be careful that Casey is not suppose to email anyone & to keep quiet.

Sunday Aug 24th Cindy gave Dakota an envelope, in it was a letter from Casey and a bracelet Casey made for Dakota. We were told by Cindy Anthony not to tell anyone that Casey gave her this & emails her as she's not suppose to email anyone.

On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 Dakota came home from school waiting to hear from Casey as Cindy told her to sit by the computer. Short after 3PM that day the TV was on and the news of the DNA results came back and broadcasted. Dakota was sitting at the computer her immediately turned around hitting the TV screaming "she's not dead" trying to turn off the TV. She ran out the door.

[BlueHeron]

Cindy's interview with LE on 8/1/08

LE: What time was the last conversation, do you remember?

Cindy: With Casey?

LE: Uha, no Caylee.

Cindy: Sometime on the 15th when we put her to bed. Now George had conversation with her in the morning, she was there in the morning, had breakfast and the normal stuff.

Who is we?
Cindy did mention breakfast???

I wonder. Could this scenario be true? Maybe kc stormed out without Caylee, then returned? Maybe she didn't remove Caylee from the house until the 16th, then still fuming she killed her on the 16th before going to be with TonE?

[Rapunzel]

2008-06-15 SUN George's Time Sheet George Anthony Worked 03:00pm to 11:00pm this day (Security Forces Time card)

So if George worked 3-11 on the 15th...KC must be part of the WE that put Caylee to bed on the night of the 15th???

[IM4Truth]

Good morning to all :smile:

I have to watch the new interview(s)..but George (now) claims that he helped put Caylee in Casey's car the day he originally said he had been watching the Food Channel..the 16th?
Wow I think I'm lost...I have never heard him say that before.
I am not quite sure if I have ever heard Cindy say when the last time she actually physically 'saw' Caylee was...I know she had her to visit her parents on the Sunday..and she 'heard' them sleeping the next morning. Maybe she hadn't seen Caylee since Casey and she had 'words' while Casey was heading out the door with Caylee on Father's Day night?
Interesting that given time and a chance of reflection, some
stories' change...and others are just dropped all together.


Just my opinion of course...


I was shocked too when I heard George say he helped put Caylee in the car that day. The last I knew he saw both Casey & Caylee walking out the door, even describing the backpacks on their backs! Now he was putting Caylee in the car? He sure has selective memory, doesn't he?

[msgatorslayer]

Cindy's interview with LE on 8/1/08

LE: What time was the last conversation, do you remember?

Cindy: With Casey?

LE: Uha, no Caylee.

Cindy: Sometime on the 15th when we put her to bed. Now George had conversation with her in the morning, she was there in the morning, had breakfast and the normal stuff.

Who is we?
Cindy did mention breakfast???

Hmmm, interesting.

In the great sea of Anthony, this comment got swept out to sea. Maybe cause CINDY said it. And we concentrated on what George said. Which was he seen Caylee and Casey leaving, with backpacks in tow, leaving the house before 1pm.

IIRC, in another statement, Cindy had said SHE put Caylee and CASEY to sleep, lol. I think it was just her. Don't remember a mention of "WE". Though I could be wrong.

[msgatorslayer]

2008-06-15 SUN George's Time Sheet George Anthony Worked 03:00pm to 11:00pm this day (Security Forces Time card)

So if George worked 3-11 on the 15th...KC must be part of the WE that put Caylee to bed on the night of the 15th???

That makes sense. :smile:

[desmom]

Cindy's interview with LE on 8/1/08

LE: What time was the last conversation, do you remember?

Cindy: With Casey?

LE: Uha, no Caylee.

Cindy: Sometime on the 15th when we put her to bed. Now George had conversation with her in the morning, she was there in the morning, had breakfast and the normal stuff.

Who is we?
Cindy did mention breakfast???


http://www.chicagotribune.com/travel/orl-caylee2308jul23,0,827725.story
But in court Tuesday, Cindy Anthony said she now remembers tucking Caylee in with her mother at bedtime on Father's Day, June 15.

[AMS]

Caylee Anthony remembered at vigil

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/17/caylee.anthony.vigil/


imo

[AMS]

Covering Caylee Anthony - Sensational and Sad

http://fieldnotes.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/06/16/1966357.aspx

imo

[Rapunzel]

I'm going over old transcripts...LOL...bored I guess...:wink::wink:

[Explorer]

I just thought of something. Did the Caylee bear make a guest appearance on TV with the a's yesterday?

[desmom]

I'm going over old transcripts...LOL...bored I guess...:wink::wink:

I have done a few rereads of older transcripts. A few little things that did not seem important the lst time I read them seemed to stand out the 2nd time because of additional doc dumps.

[AMS]

I just thought of something. Did the Caylee bear make a guest appearance on TV with the a's yesterday?

Hmmmm - I don't remember seeing the bear.


imo

[Rapunzel]

Hmmmm - I don't remember seeing the bear.


imo


Me either...prolly ran out...have to get more donations to make some more...

[desmom]

I just thought of something. Did the Caylee bear make a guest appearance on TV with the a's yesterday?

There is something sitting on the couch on Cindy's right, but I cannot tell what it is. http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5091216n&tag=contentMain;contentBody

[bballgrl]

There is something sitting on the couch on Cindy's right, but I cannot tell what it is. http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5091216n&tag=contentMain;contentBody


Yup, That's it.

Also, anyone else think that George is looking a little like Padilla, with that vest on? LOL :drool:

[Explorer]

There is something sitting on the couch on Cindy's right, but I cannot tell what it is. http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5091216n&tag=contentMain;contentBody

yeah that looks like a bear alright.

[Explorer]

Yup, That's it.

Also, anyone else think that George is looking a little like Padilla, with that vest on? LOL :drool:

George is a cowboy now:biggrin:

[desmom]

yeah that looks like a bear alright.

screen capture: http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee4/desmom-2007/cayleebear6-16-09.jpg

(Sorry it is so tiny. I tried to enlarge, but it made it blurry.)

[bballgrl]

George is a cowboy now:biggrin:

But, where's his hor....... Oh, I see.... :rolleyes:

[Rapunzel]

There is something sitting on the couch on Cindy's right, but I cannot tell what it is. http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5091216n&tag=contentMain;contentBody

Oh yeah...it was there...guess they didn't get a chance to hold it up...thank God!!!!!!

[Explorer]

Maybe hes hoping to be discovered as the next Marlboro man:loveeyes: Cindy watch out!:biggrin:

[AMS]

There is something sitting on the couch on Cindy's right, but I cannot tell what it is. http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5091216n&tag=contentMain;contentBody

We should call you "eagle eye". Good find, des. Looks like the bear to me.

imo

[Snoopy50]

We all have questions about the hearsay rules in Florida. But, couldn't george and cindy be asked about other accounts of the facts, if they completely refute their accounts?

For example:

cindy: I did not have a fight with casey on 6/15.

Prosecutor: Would it surprise you then, that your daughter told Lee that you tried to choke her?

Would something like the above be allowed, especially if they put lee on to testify that casey told him about the choking and fight?

BTW, thank God they have george on record at the Grand Jury, there is no way he can divert from that testimony, imo.

Oh, he COULD, but that might well result in perjury charges or his entire testimony getting tossed. Every time I think that this poor excuse for a man was a cop, I just want to barf. He is a wimp, a lying one at that!!!! Good morning BTW.:seeya:

[Explorer]

Desmom If your not a lawyer you should be.

[GIGI4256]

Yup, That's it.

Also, anyone else think that George is looking a little like Padilla, with that vest on? LOL :drool:

George -Ewwwwww!
Cindy - FAke

JMO

[Rapunzel]

Oh, he COULD, but that might well result in perjury charges or his entire testimony getting tossed. Every time I think that this poor excuse for a man was a cop, I just want to barf. He is a wimp, a lying one at that!!!! Good morning BTW.:seeya:

Well...he sure has tried when he is on TV and not under oath...liar!!!!!

[desmom]

Desmom If your not a lawyer you should be.

No! :scared: Legalese confuses me!

[Explorer]

No! :scared: Legalese confuses me!

You have the ability to track down details. I say you should become a lawyer:smile:

[desmom]

You have the ability to track down details. I say you should become a lawyer:smile:

:lol: o/t In my previous life before children and the internet, I kept track of 200 + salesmen. Often I had to track them down for a phone pow-wow with the super powers with only a few moments notice. Details were an important part of the job.

Back on topic...I checked on http://www.myorangeclerk.com/myclerk/ and do not see anything new about the autopsy report. This is Wednesday. I would think the media would have filed their responses to the motion by now. Does Judge Strickland play golf? Wednesdays are popular golfing days locally for lawyers, doctors, judges etc.

jmo

[Lapis]

I am not sure how that works. If what Lenny's employees heard is considered to be hearsay, then wouldn't all the statements from Casey's friends about what Casey said also hearsay? (i.e. Caylee is with the nanny)

:shrug:


Statements by a defendant are an exception to the hearsay rule. JMO

[desmom]

One year ago today.....June 17, 2008

-snipped--

Text messages between Casey and Amy: http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1772101/AH-and-KC-Text-Messages

Amy to Casey: What is your address? I'm going to the post office to do a change of address in a little bit.

Casey to Amy 06/17 11:28 a.m.: 4937 Hopespring Drive Orlando FL 32829.

Amy to Casey: Thanks!

Casey to Amy 06/17 11:30 a.m.: Anytime love!


Poor Amy had no idea she was going to be homeless a little longer. jmo

[Rapunzel]

7:10 to 7:30 is when Cindy usually leaves for work per interview with George just before the 41:16 mark in this police interview on 7/24/08

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Audio/GeorgeAnthonyInterviewJuly24.WMA

Cutting it close, but if George had breakfast with Caylee on the 16th of June at 7:30...surprised Cindy did not see Caylee that morning...you would think Caylee would have had to be up for at least a little while before breakfast...you usually don't just jump out of bed and have breakfast waiting for you to eat immediately.

[djmsmom]

Brad Conway, on the anniversary of the last day Caylee was seen, says that even now, George and Cindy Anthony don’t know the truth about Caylee’s fate. He says he knows of no theory where the Casey is above suspicion.
I think the tides are changing. Are G and C ready to through KC under the bus?

[Lapis]

We all have questions about the hearsay rules in Florida. But, couldn't george and cindy be asked about other accounts of the facts, if they completely refute their accounts?

For example:

cindy: I did not have a fight with casey on 6/15.

Prosecutor: Would it surprise you then, that your daughter told Lee that you tried to choke her?

Would something like the above be allowed, especially if they put lee on to testify that casey told him about the choking and fight?

BTW, thank God they have george on record at the Grand Jury, there is no way he can divert from that testimony, imo.


This is a way for them to ask the questions, but they would have to have a good faith basis for asking the question. Also they would have to put Lee on the stand to testify that Casey told him. (and I'm not sure they can) otherwise they will loose credibility with the judge and jury.

Any hearsay by George in the GJ will not be admissible even if he testified to it at the GJ. Not everything he testified to at the GJ will be admissible.

JMO

[desmom]

Statements by a defendant are an exception to the hearsay rule. JMO

I apologize for being a pest Lapis, but :biggrinjester:

Casey told Amy, Ricardo, Tone and others Caylee was with the Nanny; Casey told Cindy she was in Jacksonville and Tampa. Can Amy, Ricardo, Tone or Cindy repeat in court what Casey told them? TIA

[Explorer]

Maybe a stong wind is blowing and the a's found out that THEY are going to be thrown under the bus. Reasonable doubt.

[bchand]

Covering Caylee Anthony - Sensational and Sad

http://fieldnotes.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/06/16/1966357.aspx

imo

That's a great link. Thanks AMS. Just a few of the crazy things about this case.

[Explorer]

Now THAT would be poetic.

[*MoonRider*]

yeah that looks like a bear alright.

Good find, Des. I can't believe I watched that again. Just got back from my workout so I can go back to being a FLAB. :laugh:

[margaritaville]

Maybe a stong wind is blowing and the a's found out that THEY are going to be thrown under the bus. Reasonable doubt.

And they are just figuring that out now??
They should have thought long and hard when Casey went from smiling and waving to them (mouthing Hi) in court to not even glancing at them...Casey is soooooooooooo going to put the blame on them.....
the writing is on the wall......moo

[bchand]

Yup, That's it.

Also, anyone else think that George is looking a little like Padilla, with that vest on? LOL :drool:

Did you notice the peach fuzz above his upper lip? :w00t:

[*MoonRider*]

Maybe a stong wind is blowing and the a's found out that THEY are going to be thrown under the bus. Reasonable doubt.

I've been waiting for the right time to use this. http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/_thb_MG_Throw_Under_The_Bus.gif

[Lapis]

I apologize for being a pest Lapis, but :biggrinjester:

Casey told Amy, Ricardo, Tone and others Caylee was with the Nanny; Casey told Cindy she was in Jacksonville and Tampa. Can Amy, Ricardo, Tone or Cindy repeat in court what Casey told them? TIA

Any statements made by Casey are admissible as exceptions to the hearsay rule. But they have to be relayed by the person who heard Casey say them. JMO

[desmom]

7:10 to 7:30 is when Cindy usually leaves for work per interview with George just before the 41:16 mark in this police interview on 7/24/08

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Audio/GeorgeAnthonyInterviewJuly24.WMA

Cutting it close, but if George had breakfast with Caylee on the 16th of June at 7:30...surprised Cindy did not see Caylee that morning...you would think Caylee would have had to be up for at least a little while before breakfast...you usually don't just jump out of bed and have breakfast waiting for you to eat immediately.

Hmm, Cindy said she leaves for work around 7:20 - 7:30 (at 8:50 on the timer) during her interview with OCSO http://www.wftv.com/video/17565512/index.html

Page 3 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/4825322/Casey-Anthony-George-Anthony-interview George told LE generally I'd be up like 7:30, 8:00 in the morning, shortly after my wife would leave and I know maybe like 9 or 10 then that's when Casey and Caylee would come out cause Caylee used to sleep a lot with uh, Casey so or Casey, and Caylee would sleep a lot together. I mean I'd be the one a lot of times giving the little girl her breakfast. You know playing, watching the TV with her a little bit, taking her outside to play uh walking to the mailbox or just...

[desmom]

Any statements made by Casey are admissible as exceptions to the hearsay rule. But they have to be relayed by the person who heard Casey say them. JMO

Thank you! You are a peach! :seeya:

[Explorer]

And they are just figuring that out now??
They should have thought long and hard when Casey went from smiling and waving to them (mouthing Hi) in court to not even glancing at them...Casey is soooooooooooo going to put the blame on them.....
the writing is on the wall......moo

The anthonys were the closest ones to Caylee so to me it stands to reason that if anyone was going to be under suspicion besides casey anthony it woild be someone in the family. It just cracks me up that they are so willing to see OTHER innocent people to be blamed for Caylees murder. Lets see what happens when the finger is pointing to them. Like Nancy Grace says point a finger at someone and there are four pointing back to you.

[bballgrl]

Did you notice the peach fuzz above his upper lip? :w00t:

NO, but I am guessing it's not a GOOD look? LOL

(How ya doin' Boop?)

[Snoopy50]

I've been waiting for the right time to use this. http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/_thb_MG_Throw_Under_The_Bus.gif
I will be back in a bit...after I clean up my spewed coffee. Thanks Moon, timing is everything they say.:thumbsup:

[Explorer]

I will be back in a bit...after I clean up my spewed coffee. Thanks Moon, timing is everything they say.:thumbsup:

cute:biggrin:

[read-in]

:laugh:I've been waiting for the right time to use this. http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/_thb_MG_Throw_Under_The_Bus.gif

:laugh:
OHHH that was great MoonRider, I really needed that this AM.
I will be lol all day.

[Rapunzel]

Hmm, Cindy said she leaves for work around 7:20 - 7:30 (at 8:50 on the timer) during her interview with OCSO http://www.wftv.com/video/17565512/index.html

Page 3 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/4825322/Casey-Anthony-George-Anthony-interview George told LE generally I'd be up like 7:30, 8:00 in the morning, shortly after my wife would leave and I know maybe like 9 or 10 then that's when Casey and Caylee would come out cause Caylee used to sleep a lot with uh, Casey so or Casey, and Caylee would sleep a lot together. I mean I'd be the one a lot of times giving the little girl her breakfast. You know playing, watching the TV with her a little bit, taking her outside to play uh walking to the mailbox or just...

Thanks Des...well that's pretty close to what George said...like I said...if George had breakfast at 7:30 with Caylee that day, she would have had to be up at least 15 min....I just don't believe Cindy was gone yet...if not...what could be the reason to lie other then that's what they do...

I'm going with the assumption that George is making things up on the command of Cindy because they read all the big blogs all the time and have seen the comments about George saying he just saw them at 12:50 going out the door and everyone was wondering why a child that age would sleep so late and then leave without breakfast.

[Rapunzel]

:laugh:

:laugh:
OHHH that was great MoonRider, I really needed that this AM.
I will be lol all day.

Love it...was that a short bus???

[Rapunzel]

If Casey and Caylee usually didn't appear before 9 or 10 then how did he have breakfast with her at 7:30????

[margaritaville]

If Casey and Caylee usually didn't appear before 9 or 10 then how did he have breakfast with her at 7:30????


He didn't......He is just lying for his daughter again!!
moo

[Rapunzel]

He didn't......He is just lying for his daughter again!!
moo

I know...it was kind of a rhetorical question...:tonguewag::tonguewag:

[read-in]

Last night Nancy Grace said she was waiting on Autopsy Results,
ANY MINUTE NOW!!!!
did anyone else see that?
Maybe I just dreamed it.:confused:

[desmom]

Thanks Des...well that's pretty close to what George said...like I said...if George had breakfast at 7:30 with Caylee that day, she would have had to be up at least 15 min....I just don't believe Cindy was gone yet...if not...what could be the reason to lie other then that's what they do...

I'm going with the assumption that George is making things up on the command of Cindy because they read all the big blogs all the time and have seen the comments about George saying he just saw them at 12:50 going out the door and everyone was wondering why a child that age would sleep so late and then leave without breakfast.

IMO, they tried to steer LE away from the Father's Day weekend. They figured they had mis-directed LE until they had an ooops moment and posted the nursing home video on line and LE verified the date of the video.

I agree about the A's reading the boards and seeing all the "who fed Caylee breakfast on June 16" posts. George recalled what Casey and Caylee were wearing and the conversation he had with Casey at 12:50 p.m. a month after the fact, but he never thought to mention he ate breakfast with Caylee....yeah right!

jmo

[Explorer]

I bet the a's are reading all the blogs including this one to see how they did on tv yesterday.

[margaritaville]

I know...it was kind of a rhetorical question...:tonguewag::tonguewag:

I know...But it is still amazing how many people (who may not follow the case that well) will actually believe him.....

Makes me wonder if they (the Anthonys) get direction from Jose as to what to say, when to say it, and how to spin things on Casey's behalf.

I wonder how close Jose works with Brad C.
I would bet their is open communication between the two and Brad keeps GA and CA abreast as to what to say........

MOO

[Rapunzel]

Probably they only had one bear which they made up from one of Caylee's old bears to make people think they had a lot of them. Maybe they didn't get any money so decided to think up another scam. JMO What's next? Casey bears wrapped in an American flag for the 4th of July?


LOL

why not????

[FallenAngel♥]

Ok i take it no news on the autopsy report yet :(

I can't believe the Judge is holding this up.

[Rapunzel]

OK...now I have to go look at the cell phone pings again...didn't Cindy call Casey's cell phone the morning of the 16th at about 7:30 am????

Why would she call her if she was home??? Didn't she say she heard them sleeping???

[shelkobe]

This is a way for them to ask the questions, but they would have to have a good faith basis for asking the question. Also they would have to put Lee on the stand to testify that Casey told him. (and I'm not sure they can) otherwise they will loose credibility with the judge and jury.

Any hearsay by George in the GJ will not be admissible even if he testified to it at the GJ. Not everything he testified to at the GJ will be admissible.

JMO
So you're saying that what George testified to at the grand jury proceeding cannot be read back to him and/or used to impeach him if he takes the stand in Casey's trial? So the GJ testimony does not carry the same weight as what is said under oath in a deposition?

[Pruddennce]

Cindy's interview with LE on 8/1/08

LE: What time was the last conversation, do you remember?

Cindy: With Casey?

LE: Uha, no Caylee.

Cindy: Sometime on the 15th when we put her to bed. Now George had conversation with her in the morning, she was there in the morning, had breakfast and the normal stuff.

Who is we?
Cindy did mention breakfast???

SOMETIME??????????

Cindy knows dates and times for Casey's Adventures but cant say what time Caylee's bedtime was???????

she wasnt there or was dragged out before she got her pj's on. IMO

Cindy was asked about HER last conversation....but once again, she VOLUNTEERS additional information, bringing another person into her explanation: IMO its a lie based on that single statement about GA's MORNING.....when he clearly stated 10 to one in the afternoon is when his 'interaction' began. with the Anthonys, more information, they believe, equals credibility....NOT.

both of them talked and rambled so much in their FBI/LE interviews, it was an impossible task for them to remember what they said....its difficult to remember lies as evidenced by the contradictions in each other's statements.....and variations....the truth is easy.

it was not easy to listen to these interviews because they were both lying about the month of May and Father's day. and of course Casey's historical behaviour and thefts dating back to February of 08.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

[margaritaville]

Last night Nancy Grace said she was waiting on Autopsy Results,
ANY MINUTE NOW!!!!
did anyone else see that?
Maybe I just dreamed it.:confused:


CASAREZ: I`m Jean Casarez of the legal network "In Session" filling in for Nancy Grace. Today is June 16th. You may remember that date. It was one year ago that George Anthony said he saw his granddaughter for the very last time. And now the autopsy report should be being released. Over 1,000 documents came out. There was a gap in those documents of about 35 pages. It was void.

Is that where the autopsy report was supposed to be?

Let`s go to straight out to Drew Petrimoulx, reporter, WBDO Radio. Drew, what is the latest on this autopsy report that is a public record in the state of Florida?

DREW PETRIMOULX, REPORTER, WDBO RADIO: Well, it will be up to a judge on whether that is released or not. Attorney for the Anthonys filed a motion on their behalf to stop the release of that autopsy because the family believes that will cause undue pain.

Prosecutors actually filed the motion where they said that they want the judge to decide that out of court, not a hearing, but a judge will have the final say on whether that`s released.

We do have very liberal laws as far as the release of discovery here. So a lot of things are released that wouldn`t be in other states. The media will also have a chance to weigh in on this, saying why they believe this should be released.

CASAREZ: All right. Well, we`ve got the motion right here. It is filed by Brad Conway. He`s the attorney for George and Cindy Anthony. It is a motion to restrict disclosure. They are asking the court to seal the autopsy report so it is not a public record until that trial begins. The defense in this case, Jose Baez, they are not taking a position on this.

Let`s go out to Ellie Jostad, producer for NANCY GRACE. Ellie, I have read this two-page motion. What is the legal basis that they rely on in this motion?

ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER, COVERING STORY: Well, they refer very briefly to a Florida statute which prevents the release of an autopsy report if it would cause physical harm, intimidation, bribery, something like that, which doesn`t necessarily seem to apply here.

But what they do point out is that they say that the release of this information in the autopsy report would cause great anguish for the Anthony family and would cause even more speculation about the cause of Caylee`s death and the condition of her remains.

CASAREZ: All right. Well, let`s go out to Ray Giudice, defense attorney. You know, Ray, there is going to be a hearing on this matter, because the judge determined there`s a temporary stay. So it is not public, but the judge determined that the media has a right and should have standing in court to argue their point that it should be released.

How do you think it will come down in the end? Do you think this will be sealed?

RAY GIUDICE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: As Drew pointed out, Florida has an amazingly liberal law regarding the disclosure of information in a serious criminal case. It surprises me. I think the judge is going to release it. I don`t think the Anthonys, quite frankly, have much standing in this criminal case. They`re not charged. Baez hasn`t filed this motion. So I do think it`s going to be released.

CASAREZ: That`s what I was wondering. Mickey Sherman, defense attorney, author of "How Can You Defend These People," what are your thoughts on the fact that the grandparents through their attorney are filing this motion. They say that they were given custody of the remains by their daughter, but do they have standing to file this motion?

MICKEY SHERMAN, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY, AUTHOR OF "HOW CAN YOU DEFEND THOSE PEOPLE?": Probably not. I mean, I wish they did and my heart goes out to them, because they`re really victims as well. But, unfortunately, anguish is not proper grounds for keeping this out.

The only proper ground is will it ensure or will it deter her from getting a fair trial. And that`s all the judge should be deciding. But as was pointed out by a reporter down there, they have this policy in Florida where anything that comes remotely near the courthouse or in a police report winds up getting in the public. So it`s probably going to come out. It shouldn`t, because I think it will affect the jury pool.

CASAREZ: And George and Cindy Anthony respectfully disagree. They, along with their attorneys, were on the morning shows this morning.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/16/ng.01.html

[101Spots]

OK...now I have to go look at the cell phone pings again...didn't Cindy call Casey's cell phone the morning of the 16th at about 7:30 am????

Why would she call her if she was home??? Didn't she say she heard them sleeping???

IIRC, there was a call from Casa Anthony to Casey's cel at that time. Suggestions have been made that Casey called herself to locate her cel phone. But if she was up at that time, George sure didn't mention that he had breakfast with Caylee *and* Casey, now, did he?

Ergo, Casey was not up OR Casey was not at home.

If she wasn't up, why bother to call her in that tiny house where you can hear somebody sleeping?

I think she was long gone and Cindy was trying to reach her. Didn't try too hard, though.

[desmom]

OK...now I have to go look at the cell phone pings again...didn't Cindy call Casey's cell phone the morning of the 16th at about 7:30 am????

Why would she call her if she was home??? Didn't she say she heard them sleeping???

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=p6Pnw95vqOo-MgZ7Vsp9pYg&gid=0 reports a phone call to Casey's phone at 7:45 a.m. from the Anthony residence. The link lists the duration of the calls in seconds. This call duration is listed as "1". One second? The call to Casey's phone went straight to voice mail? :shrug:

[shelkobe]

Statements by a defendant are an exception to the hearsay rule. JMO
Ooh, while you're here, I always wanted to know... let's say I'm testifying on the stand and I want to say something that some else told me but I can't because of the hearsay bugaboo. Couldn't I say something like: "I came to understand that Smith had a gun." And if the lawyer asks, how did you come to understand this, I can say, "Smith told me." (As opposed to testifying: "Smith said, 'I have a gun in my glove compartment.'") Is the former a way around it?

[Rapunzel]

6/16/2008 7:45:51Call Ends Anthony Home to Casey 1

Anthony home to KC's cell phone at the time listed above.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2385297/Casey_Anthony_cell_records_615_to_716

Why would the Anthony home be calling KC's cell phone if she was home???

[margaritaville]

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=p6Pnw95vqOo-MgZ7Vsp9pYg&gid=0 reports a phone call to Casey's phone at 7:45 a.m. from the Anthony residence. The link lists the duration of the calls in seconds. This call duration is listed as "1". One second? The call to Casey's phone went straight to voice mail? :shrug:


that call to me tells me Casey was not home that night with Caylee.

Cindy tried to call her that morning (before work) Casey's phone went right to voice mail..So, cindy went to work.......

i think George seeing Caylee and Casey at all that morning was a lie.....
there was no breakfast, no backpacks, none of that happened at 7:30am or 12:50 pm........
the only time I could see him see them would be after George got home from work. We know he worked until 11:00 p.m.....

[Kokopelli]

C


"snipped"
CASAREZ: And George and Cindy Anthony respectfully disagree. They, along with their attorneys, were on the morning shows this morning.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/16/ng.01.html


...and didn't Attorney Conway look amazingly strong and healthy to be able to handle the streets of New York when just a month ago he couldn't make a 6 miles trek to the courthouse in Orlando?

[Lapis]

So you're saying that what George testified to at the grand jury proceeding cannot be read back to him and/or used to impeach him if he takes the stand in Casey's trial? So the GJ testimony does not carry the same weight as what is said under oath in a deposition?

No. I am saying that some of the things George testified to in the GJ may not be admissible at trial. His GJ testimony can still be used to impeach him at trial. JMO

[EverMoth]

CASAREZ:
The only proper ground is will it ensure or will it deter her from getting a fair trial. And that`s all the judge should be deciding. But as was pointed out by a reporter down there, they have this policy in Florida where anything that comes remotely near the courthouse or in a police report winds up getting in the public. So it`s probably going to come out. It shouldn`t, because I think it will affect the jury pool.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/16/ng.01.html

Respectfully snipped and my bold. . .

Morning everyone! Not much time to post these days but this caught my eye. I also had a strong feeling that there could be very damning evidence against Casey that would come out in the autopsy report. Now, C and G have read that report, correct? So they already know what is in there? Correct me if I'm wrong about that. But if they have read it and are trying to keep it out of the public, it could well be because they know Casey is guilty (they know anyway) and they feel others would know as well.

Just my first thought of the morning. Need coffee!

[Sun]

I have done a few rereads of older transcripts. A few little things that did not seem important the lst time I read them seemed to stand out the 2nd time because of additional doc dumps.

Me too. And I now listen to them with the knowledge that Cindy and George are liars.

I keep thinking back to August 8th. That is when DCasey and Baez met with Casey in the jail. Given the fact that Baez has isolated Casey from everyone, even family, I now find it very, very odd that Baez would allow DCasey access to Casey on August 8th. Yet fired DCasey in October. Rumor is, Baez never paid DCasey a dime, if you can believe JHoover. ...and DCasey has went underground these last few months, and is facing Contempt of Court charges/sanctions for ditching a depo with Morgan. DCasey also filed a complaint against Baez to the Florida Bar. I wonder how that Bar investigation is coming along?

[Rapunzel]

that call to me tells me Casey was not home that night with Caylee.

Cindy tried to call her that morning (before work) Casey's phone went right to voice mail..So, cindy went to work.......

i think George seeing Caylee and Casey at all that morning was a lie.....
there was no breakfast, no backpacks, none of that happened at 7:30am or 12:50 pm........
the only time I could see him see them would be after George got home from work. We know he worked until 11:00 p.m.....

Exactly...Casey and Caylee left in the wee hours of the morning on the 16th...why I don't know, but have to believe that they did.


Last call to Tony...

6/16/2008 3:22:49 SMS BeginsCaseyTonLazzaro 0
So somewhere between about 3:22 am to 7:45 KC left home with Caylee.

She tries to call Tony again here...


6/16/2008 8:46:34 SMS Begins Casey Tony Lazzaro

[shelkobe]

No. I am saying that some of the things George testified to in the GJ may not be admissible at trial. His GJ testimony can still be used to impeach him at trial. JMO
Oh I see, I think. Hee, hee. Thank you.

[margaritaville]

My question is: How do the Anthony's know that the autopsy report would cause "great anguish for the Anthony family and would cause even more speculation about the cause of Caylee`s death and the condition of her remains"? Have they been able to read it already?
I mean, we know that the medical examiner could only prove "homicide, by UNDETERMINED means" Will the autopsy prove more then that??

TIA

[Lapis]

Ooh, while you're here, I always wanted to know... let's say I'm testifying on the stand and I want to say something that some else told me but I can't because of the hearsay bugaboo. Couldn't I say something like: "I came to understand that Smith had a gun." And if the lawyer asks, how did you come to understand this, I can say, "Smith told me." (As opposed to testifying: "Smith said, 'I have a gun in my glove compartment.'") Is the former a way around it?

If in your example Smith is the defendant you can testify Smith told you.

If in your example Smith is not the defendant, it depends. If, for example, the attorney asking the question needs you to testify as to the actions you took as a result of Smith having a gun, the crafted answer may be allowed. The attorney asking the question will know not to ask the second question. If the existence of the gun is not relevant then none of your proposed testimony will be allowed. JMO

[margaritaville]

Exactly...Casey and Caylee left in the wee hours of the morning on the 16th...why I don't know, but have to believe that they did.


Last call to Tony...

6/16/2008 3:22:49 SMS BeginsCaseyTonLazzaro 0
So somewhere between about 3:22 am to 7:45 KC left home with Caylee. Dead or Alive??
She tries to call Tony again here...


6/16/2008 8:46:34 SMS Begins Casey Tony Lazzaro

ITA with you!! Mine in red above....

[desmom]

My question is: How do the Anthony's know that the autopsy report would cause "great anguish for the Anthony family and would cause even more speculation about the cause of Caylee`s death and the condition of her remains"? Have they been able to read it already?
I mean, we know that the medical examiner could only prove "homicide, by UNDETERMINED means" Will the autopsy prove more then that??

TIA

Would Dr. G have met with the A's sometime after the autopsy to explain her findings?

The duct tape came out really quick after the remains were discovered. LE could have said No Comment regarding the duct tape, but it was already out there and the speculation had began.

I hate to say this...but could there have been other types of restraints or more duct tape found with the remains?

jmo

[Sun]

My question is: How do the Anthony's know that the autopsy report would cause "great anguish for the Anthony family and would cause even more speculation about the cause of Caylee`s death and the condition of her remains"? Have they been able to read it already?
I mean, we know that the medical examiner could only prove "homicide, by UNDETERMINED means" Will the autopsy prove more then that??

TIA

I am ready to hear Conway get before Judge Strickland and argue his motion.

[BlueHeron]

My question is: How do the Anthony's know that the autopsy report would cause "great anguish for the Anthony family and would cause even more speculation about the cause of Caylee`s death and the condition of her remains"? Have they been able to read it already?
I mean, we know that the medical examiner could only prove "homicide, by UNDETERMINED means" Will the autopsy prove more then that??

TIA

It could be that they're just afraid of finding out what it says? You know the more I think about it, Conway is either a very poor excuse for a lawyer, or the anthony's are rubbing off on him. How could a lawyer even think about submitting a motion to seal that basically says 'my clients will be sad, and people will talk'. Is it just me, or is that as pathetic as it sounds?

[FallenAngel♥]

6/16/2008 7:45:51Call Ends Anthony Home to Casey 1

Anthony home to KC's cell phone at the time listed above.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2385297/Casey_Anthony_cell_records_615_to_716

Why would the Anthony home be calling KC's cell phone if she was home???

Great catch. Just proves the A's are lying IMO

[Rapunzel]

Great catch. Just proves the A's are lying IMO

Also proves this has been a cover-up from day 31!!!!!!!!

[Rapunzel]

Poor Caylee...:sad::sad:

[BlueHeron]

Great catch. Just proves the A's are lying IMO


Not really, it's easily explained away (unless there is a corresponding voice mail message left, but even then that can be explained away also). kc calls her phone because she can't find it. ca calls kc's voicemail to leave a reminder to pick up groceries. ca hits the wrong speed dial on the home phone and hangs up when she realizes.

[margaritaville]

It could be that they're just afraid of finding out what it says? You know the more I think about it, Conway is either a very poor excuse for a lawyer, or the anthony's are rubbing off on him. How could a lawyer even think about submitting a motion to seal that basically says 'my clients will be sad, and people will talk'. Is it just me, or is that as pathetic as it sounds?


That is the way it sounds to me as well.. Unless they have read it and it tells a lot more then we could imagine.. someone else said maybe there were more restraints used, more duct tape.. Maybe something showed up on the clothes that were on the body , in the bag such as a lot of blood or something?! Otherwise yes, they are basically saying they will be sad. How do they think Sharon Rocha felt while she looked at autopsy pictures of her daughter and grandson she never got to meet??? Sad that would be an understatement...moo

[FallenAngel♥]

Not really, it's easily explained away (unless there is a corresponding voice mail message left, but even then that can be explained away also). kc calls her phone because she can't find it. ca calls kc's voicemail to leave a reminder to pick up groceries. ca hits the wrong speed dial on the home phone and hangs up when she realizes.

How long did the call last?

[Rapunzel]

Not really, it's easily explained away (unless there is a corresponding voice mail message left, but even then that can be explained away also). kc calls her phone because she can't find it. ca calls kc's voicemail to leave a reminder to pick up groceries. ca hits the wrong speed dial on the home phone and hangs up when she realizes.

Debbie Downer...spoil sport...you know they're lying...come on admit it...:biggrin::biggrin:

[Pruddennce]

It could be that they're just afraid of finding out what it says? You know the more I think about it, Conway is either a very poor excuse for a lawyer, or the anthony's are rubbing off on him. How could a lawyer even think about submitting a motion to seal that basically says 'my clients will be sad, and people will talk'. Is it just me, or is that as pathetic as it sounds?

no, its not you, its me and quite a few others...:D

BC filed an erroneous motion:

Strickland scratching his head:

For reasons unknown to the court the motion was served only upon the State Attorney's Office

Strickland: The real party in interest in this matter is the various news media

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[shelkobe]

If in your example Smith is the defendant you can testify Smith told you.

If in your example Smith is not the defendant, it depends. If, for example, the attorney asking the question needs you to testify as to the actions you took as a result of Smith having a gun, the crafted answer may be allowed. The attorney asking the question will know not to ask the second question. If the existence of the gun is not relevant then none of your proposed testimony will be allowed. JMO
Ah, very interesting. I wasn't clear, but in my example I was thinking that Smith would not be the defendant but just another party. I thought for sure I could get my info. out by leaving out the "so and so said" and putting it out there another way. (And for the record, this is all hypothetical. Watching CourtTV all these years I've always wondered why people couldn't be more creative when testifying in order to get past some of the hearsay rules.)

O/T: And this is belated, but I've been meaning to offer you my condolences on the loss of your Lapis. I think you also lost Lapis's sibling not too long ago and I can only imagine how rough that is. I share my user name with my oldest cat Kobe (he rarely posts ;) ) so I can imagine how precious Lapis was to you. Please accept my sincerest sympathies.

[BlueHeron]

How long did the call last?

1 second I think.

[FallenAngel♥]

1 second I think.

oh ty i couldn't get the link to open. oh yeah that's easily explained then because i lose my cell and have to call it from time to time.

[BlueHeron]

Debbie Downer...spoil sport...you know they're lying...come on admit it...:biggrin:

:biggrin: Oh I do!

but... we're going to need more than this to prove it unfortunately:thumbdown:

[Imperfect4]

I've been waiting for the right time to use this. http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/_thb_MG_Throw_Under_The_Bus.gif

:thumbsup: .....

[desmom]

Not really, it's easily explained away (unless there is a corresponding voice mail message left, but even then that can be explained away also). kc calls her phone because she can't find it. ca calls kc's voicemail to leave a reminder to pick up groceries. ca hits the wrong speed dial on the home phone and hangs up when she realizes.

Maybe, but because the call was 1 second long and Cindy said she leaves for work between 7:20 - 7:30 on Mondays, IMO, George called Casey to give her a heads up that Mom had left and the coast was clear.

ETA ~ The call may have gone straight to Casey's voice mail or maybe Casey pulled up in the drive as George was making the call. IMO, Casey would know what time her mother left for work and know that at 7:45 Cindy would be gone for work.

[BlueHeron]

That is the way it sounds to me as well.. Unless they have read it and it tells a lot more then we could imagine.. someone else said maybe there were more restraints used, more duct tape.. Maybe something showed up on the clothes that were on the body , in the bag such as a lot of blood or something?! Otherwise yes, they are basically saying they will be sad. How do they think Sharon Rocha felt while she looked at autopsy pictures of her daughter and grandson she never got to meet??? Sad that would be an understatement...moo

My bold: Here is another reason why this is so ridiculous. They're afraid of speculation? What could cause more speculation then their reasons for trying to seal it in the first place?:wink:

[comemonday]

My question is: How do the Anthony's know that the autopsy report would cause "great anguish for the Anthony family and would cause even more speculation about the cause of Caylee`s death and the condition of her remains"? Have they been able to read it already?
I mean, we know that the medical examiner could only prove "homicide, by UNDETERMINED means" Will the autopsy prove more then that??

TIA

I questioned the autopsy report yesterday too. Then after reading all of the insightful posts I would have to say, in my opinion, that the A's are already aware of the autopsy report and know darn well that the results will be most damaging to their daughter and also, most damaging to George and Cindy's images... George and Cindy don't want the report out because it will destroy their daughter's "innocence" and totally destroy their credibility as advocates for Caylee and all the nonsense they've spewed this past year as to what happened to this poor baby.

Karma - you better believe it!

[kitty1182]

I questioned the autopsy report yesterday too. Then after reading all of the insightful posts I would have to say, in my opinion, that the A's are already aware of the autopsy report and know darn well that the results will be most damaging to their daughter and also, most damaging to George and Cindy's images... George and Cindy don't want the report out because it will destroy their daughter's "innocence" and totally destroy their credibility as advocates for Caylee and all the nonsense they've spewed this past year as to what happened to this poor baby.

Karma - you better believe it!


Good post..I agree!!

[margaritaville]

oh ty i couldn't get the link to open. oh yeah that's easily explained then because i lose my cell and have to call it from time to time.

And it is easly explained that Cindy couldn't find Casey and called and went direct to voicemail.. Happens w/ me and my son all the time as well...as soon as the vm clicks on hang up..
I do have to say unless my phone is right in front of my face when I call it, it takes it ringing more then 1 second for me to find my "lost phone"..... Again , unless it is "right there"..


MOO

[BlueHeron]

I questioned the autopsy report yesterday too. Then after reading all of the insightful posts I would have to say, in my opinion, that the A's are already aware of the autopsy report and know darn well that the results will be most damaging to their daughter and also, most damaging to George and Cindy's images... George and Cindy don't want the report out because it will destroy their daughter's "innocence" and totally destroy their credibility as advocates for Caylee and all the nonsense they've spewed this past year as to what happened to this poor baby.

Karma - you better believe it!

I think conway's comments on TV point this way. Why would their attorney make statements indicating his belief that kc is responsible (can't remember exact words, but I remember being extremely surprised yesterday)? He/they know it's coming out, and they know what it says! Makes sense to me!

[comemonday]

I think conway's comments on TV point this way. Why would their attorney make statements indicating his belief that kc is responsible (can't remember exact words, but I remember being extremely surprised yesterday)? He/they know it's coming out, and they know what it says! Makes sense to me!

Yes.. I agree! From what I recall from watching that bit on GMA yesterday, to me it appeared that Conway was throwing Casey under the bus.. I can't recall the exact words either but he was leaning toward Casey being responsible, which really surprised me as well.

[BlueHeron]

Yes.. I agree! From what I recall from watching that bit on GMA yesterday, to me it appeared that Conway was throwing Casey under the bus.. I can't recall the exact words either but he was leaning toward Casey being responsible, which really surprised me as well.

OT: Fellow ParrotHead I see! :thumbsup:

[imc_e]

My bold: Here is another reason why this is so ridiculous. They're afraid of speculation? What could cause more speculation then their reasons for trying to seal it in the first place?:wink:

Like, they can stop speculation..:laugh:

Its incriminating to try to seal the facts.

I guess they don't like the ME's summary on how Caylee was murdered.

You bet its going to make their innocent daughter look guilty.

It reminds me of them not going to visit Casey because NG and FLB's will analyze what they say, but then they go on LKL and other shows, and make bigger liars out of themselves, and we talk about it.

Very strange family.

[no1what]

IMO, they tried to steer LE away from the Father's Day weekend. They figured they had mis-directed LE until they had an ooops moment and posted the nursing home video on line and LE verified the date of the video.

I agree about the A's reading the boards and seeing all the "who fed Caylee breakfast on June 16" posts. George recalled what Casey and Caylee were wearing and the conversation he had with Casey at 12:50 p.m. a month after the fact, but he never thought to mention he ate breakfast with Caylee....yeah right!

jmo

What if GA is not telling the truth and Casey never left that day? What if she returned home after Cindy left and stayed at the house after GA left for work? Maybe GA didn't want Cindy to know.

[Imperfect4]

Exactly...Casey and Caylee left in the wee hours of the morning on the 16th...why I don't know, but have to believe that they did.


Last call to Tony...

6/16/2008 3:22:49 SMS BeginsCaseyTonLazzaro 0
So somewhere between about 3:22 am to 7:45 KC left home with Caylee.

She tries to call Tony again here...


6/16/2008 8:46:34 SMS Begins Casey Tony Lazzaro

Or she could've been out of the house already, but nearby, causing her cell phone to ping off the same tower.

The question I have is, why exactly are G&C lying about the last time they saw Caylee? Cindy has been deliberately vague about what time SHE last saw the child, and George is clearly telling a fabricated story, which he is now embellishing.

So are they lying so they don't have to talk about the argument, during or after which Casey left the house with Caylee? It's certainly possible because the nature of these people is to lie about everything. But it seems extreme behavior on their part just to cover up a family argument.

Or are they lying for a more nefarious reason, perhaps because Caylee's death occurred in that house, on that night, and they are in possession of the exact details of what occurred?

Under normal circumstances, with normal people involved, I'd be inclined to believe the second possibility. But because these Anthonys are such lying liars, it's just impossible for me to guess whether they're lying to cover their knowledge of an argument, or their knowledge of a murder.

[kitty1182]

Yes.. I agree! From what I recall from watching that bit on GMA yesterday, to me it appeared that Conway was throwing Casey under the bus.. I can't recall the exact words either but he was leaning toward Casey being responsible, which really surprised me as well.

I sure hope we get to read the report..

[comemonday]

OT: Fellow ParrotHead I see! :thumbsup:


:thumbup:

o/t - Love him! :)

[imc_e]

What if GA is not telling the truth and Casey never left that day? What if she returned home after Cindy left and stayed at the house after GA left for work? Maybe GA didn't want Cindy to know.

George knows more than he is saying, imo.

When I heard him say that he put Caylee in the car, (new lie)
I thought hmm I wonder if he put her body in the car..

WHO knows.

[desmom]

What if GA is not telling the truth and Casey never left that day? What if she returned home after Cindy left and stayed at the house after GA left for work? Maybe GA didn't want Cindy to know.

IMO, whatever happened George is covering up. I have questioned his recollection of the 12:50 p.m. events since the first time I heard him tell the story. No way he could recall exactly what they were wearing and repeat the conversation between him and Casey IF it was just another normal day. His statement was too scripted and had way to much information.

[no1what]

Like, they can stop speculation..:laugh:

Its incriminating to try to seal the facts.

I guess they don't like the ME's summary on how Caylee was murdered.

You bet its going to make their innocent daughter look guilty.

It reminds me of them not going to visit Casey because NG and FLB's will analyze what they say, but then they go on LKL and other shows, and make bigger liars out of themselves, and we talk about it.

Very strange family.


My personal opinion is that I would rather not see evidence in these type cases before it goes to trial. I don't think it helps the victim and it gives the defense reason to appeal.

But that's just my opinion.

[Rapunzel]

What if GA is not telling the truth and Casey never left that day? What if she returned home after Cindy left and stayed at the house after GA left for work? Maybe GA didn't want Cindy to know.


Hey with this family anything is possible...we all know George has kept things from Cindy before...I can hear Casey Smoozing her dad saying...oh don't tell mom...I'm going to work from home today or some cockamamie excuse...

[Imperfect4]

It could be that they're just afraid of finding out what it says? You know the more I think about it, Conway is either a very poor excuse for a lawyer, or the anthony's are rubbing off on him. How could a lawyer even think about submitting a motion to seal that basically says 'my clients will be sad, and people will talk'. Is it just me, or is that as pathetic as it sounds?

You nailed it. And yes, it's as pathetic as it sounds. :thumbdown:

JUDGE STRICKLAND! RELEASE THE AUTOPSY REPORT!

[kitty1182]

you nailed it. And yes, it's as pathetic as it sounds. :thumbdown:

judge strickland! Release the autopsy report!



yes....today!!!!!!

[imc_e]

Or she could've been out of the house already, but nearby, causing her cell phone to ping off the same tower.

The question I have is, why exactly are G&C lying about the last time they saw Caylee? Cindy has been deliberately vague about what time SHE last saw the child, and George is clearly telling a fabricated story, which he is now embellishing.

So are they lying so they don't have to talk about the argument, during or after which Casey left the house with Caylee? It's certainly possible because the nature of these people is to lie about everything. But it seems extreme behavior on their part just to cover up a family argument.

Or are they lying for a more nefarious reason, perhaps because Caylee's death occurred in that house, on that night, and they are in possession of the exact details of what occurred?

Under normal circumstances, with normal people involved, I'd be inclined to believe the second possibility. But because these Anthonys are such lying liars, it's just impossible for me to guess whether they're lying to cover their knowledge of an argument, or their knowledge of a murder.

If Casey was at Lee's house around the corner, would her call phone ping off that same tower?

When you mention about them possibly knowing the exact details of what occured to Caylee, I got a chill because as time goes by, I lean closer and closer that THAT theory and that Cindy took control and wrote the script, and then told Casey 'you go party and be with your friends, I will take care of the rest of your mess, we'll figure it out in a month'.

jmo

[margaritaville]

Like, they can stop speculation..:laugh:

Its incriminating to try to seal the facts.

I guess they don't like the ME's summary on how Caylee was murdered.

You bet its going to make their innocent daughter look guilty.

It reminds me of them not going to visit Casey because NG and FLB's will analyze what they say, but then they go on LKL and other shows, and make bigger liars out of themselves, and we talk about it.

Very strange family.

But it doesn't seem to be bothering Jose and the dream team any. they haven't put out anything to try and prevent it from coming out....

Very strange family.. I think it is just another way for Cindy and George to keep themselves in the lime light and it keeps them on the morning talk shows....moo

[EverMoth]

I questioned the autopsy report yesterday too. Then after reading all of the insightful posts I would have to say, in my opinion, that the A's are already aware of the autopsy report and know darn well that the results will be most damaging to their daughter and also, most damaging to George and Cindy's images... George and Cindy don't want the report out because it will destroy their daughter's "innocence" and totally destroy their credibility as advocates for Caylee and all the nonsense they've spewed this past year as to what happened to this poor baby.

Karma - you better believe it!

:thumbup: Yes, this is my exact feeling as well. Hope the report is released. Some think it will be. Let it rip!

[imc_e]

My personal opinion is that I would rather not see evidence in these type cases before it goes to trial. I don't think it helps the victim and it gives the defense reason to appeal.

But that's just my opinion.

Your right, not seeing it until trial protects the integrity of the evidence.

Its weird how Florida has the sunshine law where the public is entitled and the media has the right to evidence. In turn they are handing evidence to the jury before the jury is seated.

Strange laws.

[desmom]

Brought over from yesterday's thread:

It was very very hot...no the A's were not there. The Guardian Angels were there to protect us. Richard Grund read a letter for Mark Klauss and from his son Jesse. He said Caylee's name over and over and said this was not about self promotion ( hmmm wonder who that was directed at) He read passages and release balloons for all the missing children and teenagers. Then everyone sang "You are my Sunshine" He released butterflies and one landed on the the floral arrangement and stayed there while everyone took a flower.:crying:

Hows that

The butterfly on the floral arrangement can be seen in photos 21, 22, 26 and 27. http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/19777128/detail.html

[margaritaville]

OT: Fellow ParrotHead I see! :thumbsup:

Gotta Love it!! :thumbsup:

[imc_e]

But it doesn't seem to be bothering Jose and the dream team any. they haven't put out anything to try and prevent it from coming out....

Very strange family.. I think it is just another way for Cindy and George to keep themselves in the lime light and it keeps them on the morning talk shows....moo

No it doesn't seem to bother Casey or her attorney.

They just keep sucking on licorice together I assume. :sneaky:

[KittyMom]

George is a cowboy now:biggrin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s05jcrJw0as

:huh:

[desmom]

If Casey was at Lee's house around the corner, would her call phone ping off that same tower?

When you mention about them possibly knowing the exact details of what occured to Caylee, I got a chill because as time goes by, I lean closer and closer that THAT theory and that Cindy took control and wrote the script, and then told Casey 'you go party and be with your friends, I will take care of the rest of your mess, we'll figure it out in a month'.

jmo

Imo, yes Casey's phone would ping the same towers at Lee's house that it would at her parent's house.

[BlueHeron]

Gotta Love it!! :thumbsup:

Another from a colder clime! We're everywhere! Boat drinks all around!

[kitty1182]

Brought over from yesterday's thread:



The butterfly on the floral arrangement can be seen in photos 21, 22, 26 and 27. http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/19777128/detail.html


Wow, thanks.....

[djmsmom]

Or she could've been out of the house already, but nearby, causing her cell phone to ping off the same tower.

The question I have is, why exactly are G&C lying about the last time they saw Caylee? Cindy has been deliberately vague about what time SHE last saw the child, and George is clearly telling a fabricated story, which he is now embellishing.

So are they lying so they don't have to talk about the argument, during or after which Casey left the house with Caylee? It's certainly possible because the nature of these people is to lie about everything. But it seems extreme behavior on their part just to cover up a family argument.

Or are they lying for a more nefarious reason, perhaps because Caylee's death occurred in that house, on that night, and they are in possession of the exact details of what occurred?

Under normal circumstances, with normal people involved, I'd be inclined to believe the second possibility. But because these Anthonys are such lying liars, it's just impossible for me to guess whether they're lying to cover their knowledge of an argument, or their knowledge of a murder.
they lie to feel they are in control.

[Adonna]

If G&C believe Casey is innocent, then why are they going through so much energy to protect the person or persons they believe kidnapped Caylee and mudered her? Their web of lies make no sense at all, if anything the lies are very telling of a family memeber involvement in Caylee's murder. JMO

[Imperfect4]

My bold: Here is another reason why this is so ridiculous. They're afraid of speculation? What could cause more speculation then their reasons for trying to seal it in the first place?:wink:

Imo, Cindy feels it's HER business what happened to Caylee and no one else's. She HATES that she has so little control these days ... all those ugly family secrets are spilling out, and they're uglier than ugly. This is her general point of view and part of her stunning controlling nature. I think the majority of things Conway does and words Conway says are at Cindy's behest. And on account of that, I have as little respect for him as I do for George. At this stage of the game, with Cindy's raging personality disorder and impure motives apparent to all, NO ONE should be doing that woman's bidding, least of all an "officer of the court."

[Rapunzel]

If Casey was at Lee's house around the corner, would her call phone ping off that same tower?

When you mention about them possibly knowing the exact details of what occured to Caylee, I got a chill because as time goes by, I lean closer and closer that THAT theory and that Cindy took control and wrote the script, and then told Casey 'you go party and be with your friends, I will take care of the rest of your mess, we'll figure it out in a month'.

jmo

But I still believe Cindy's 911 calls was the only honest emotion since the get go...so I have to believe they did not know from the start...I think they knew by November but not at the beginning when she finally found Casey.

[FallenAngel♥]

You nailed it. And yes, it's as pathetic as it sounds. :thumbdown:

JUDGE STRICKLAND! RELEASE THE AUTOPSY REPORT!

amen. there were only bones left so it's not like we will hear horrible details so what are the A's really afraid of?

[EverMoth]

Yes.. I agree! From what I recall from watching that bit on GMA yesterday, to me it appeared that Conway was throwing Casey under the bus.. I can't recall the exact words either but he was leaning toward Casey being responsible, which really surprised me as well.

Throwing Casey under the bus to save C and G? SOMEONE is going to be held responsible. If the defense is going to insists that SODDIT then they would, more than likely, try and pin it on a family member. Anyone more removed from that would be laughable since the perpr would have access to car keys, house keys, knowledge of the house, knowledge of the things in Caley's room, knowledge of how to get onto Casey's computer, etc. etc.

Sooooo. . .we don't know what's goin' down behind the scenes. But someone is going down. We speculated awhile ago about the sudden change in Casey's relationship with her parents. Last court appearance, wouldn't even look at them. She seems to have gone from her usual cold personality to a total deep freeze in relationship to them. Something's up. . .I can feel it.

There is so much lying and covering up going on here. AND the Ants DID ask for immunity. It could well end up being an all out war between Casey and her parents as well as the attorneys on both sides. This is JMO.

[imc_e]

Imo, yes Casey's phone would ping the same towers at Lee's house that it would at her parent's house.


Thanks des.

Its possible that Casey left in the night with Caylee and then came back after her parents had left for work..

I can imagine their attitude is 'oh Im lying? PROVE it' so they feel free to lie. jmo

[kitty1182]

amen. there were only bones left so it's not like we will hear horrible details so what are the A's really afraid of?

Didn't Cindy ask Casey about some kind of ring a while back? I wonder if that ring was found with Caylee...

[imc_e]

But I still believe Cindy's 911 calls was the only honest emotion since the get go...so I have to believe they did not know from the start...I think they knew by November but not at the beginning when she finally found Casey.

She had a month to learn how to act for the 911 call.

We have seen it in many trials, the staged 911 calls..

Im not saying probably, but I am saying possibly.

Cindy and George could easily be MORE involved than we realize.

jmo

[margaritaville]

But I still believe Cindy's 911 calls was the only honest emotion since the get go...so I have to believe they did not know from the start...I think they knew by November but not at the beginning when she finally found Casey.


I agree with you.... In the beginning they had no clue..
I honestly believe that had Casey told them what really happened, we would have never heard of Caylee Marie.
Cindu probably would have spun a lie that Caylee went to live with her bio-dad and all would be forgotten..............moo

[djmsmom]

I think conway's comments on TV point this way. Why would their attorney make statements indicating his belief that kc is responsible (can't remember exact words, but I remember being extremely surprised yesterday)? He/they know it's coming out, and they know what it says! Makes sense to me!

Brad Conway, on the anniversary of the last day Caylee was seen, says that even now, George and Cindy Anthony don’t know the truth about Caylee’s fate. He says he knows of no theory where the Casey is above suspicion.

[imc_e]

I agree with you.... In the beginning they had no clue..
I honestly believe that had Casey told them what really happened, we would have never heard of Caylee Marie.
Cindu probably would have spun a lie that Caylee went to live with her bio-dad and all would be forgotten..............moo


Thats a good point.

If Cindy could go back, she would not have placed those 911 calls..

I agree with that..

[Ontario]

I questioned the autopsy report yesterday too. Then after reading all of the insightful posts I would have to say, in my opinion, that the A's are already aware of the autopsy report and know darn well that the results will be most damaging to their daughter and also, most damaging to George and Cindy's images... George and Cindy don't want the report out because it will destroy their daughter's "innocence" and totally destroy their credibility as advocates for Caylee and all the nonsense they've spewed this past year as to what happened to this poor baby.

Karma - you better believe it!

You are right on, and I really believe that they also knew Casey had a lot of problems, mentally that is, and (1) of the main reason that they have gone to such lengths to defend her and cover for her, is that after what happened to their little granddaughter, they blame themselves, for not protecting her, by taking her away from Casey, and B) not getting the help that their daughter needed, so in essence they blame themselves, and now are trying to protect their daughter, they are what we would call "Enablers" and they need help also, it is like being married to a person who has an addiction, and you know it is wrong, but you go along covering for them, in the end you come to realize that you are not helping them but maybe doing more harm, so you have to make a choice, it is either them or you, because one of you is going under. I feel very sad for them, because they will never be the same, they have lost everything and when they are alone they know it!!

[Adonna]

Didn't Cindy ask Casey about some kind of ring a while back? I wonder if that ring was found with Caylee...

Was there a ring found with Caylee's remains? I just don't recall that.

[penguinlady]

OT -

IMC E~

Ya know what I would like better than seeing pictures of our fellow posters?? I'd like to know WHO some of them are...what I am saying is there has been a lot of posters that are wearing new "outfits" than they were when all of this started and I don't always know who is who! LOL! :scared:


K!

[kitty1182]

Was there a ring found with Caylee's remains? I just don't recall that.

Not as I know of..I was just wondering if the ring was ever found that Cindy was asking about...

[kitty1182]

OT -

IMC E~

Ya know what I would like better than seeing pictures of our fellow posters?? I'd like to know WHO some of them are...what I am saying is there has been a lot of posters that are wearing new "outfits" than they were when all of this started and I don't always know who is who! LOL! :scared:


K!



(I'm still the same shovel woman)..lol

[alisa31235]

Hello all dont post often but read daily...... I had forgot or missed CA talking about breakfast in her interview with LE but now that it was mentiond yesterday I got to thinking toddlers dont usually sleep very late in the mornings (or mine didnt) so i bet GA did give Caylee breakfast often becauce Casey was most likely to lazy to get her azz out of bed to do it i also remember when my boys were that age they would take a nap after playing for a while so i guess my question is DID Caylee have breakfast that morning and if she did what was she doing between that time and the time GA saw them leaving while he was watching his fav food show i know that was a long rattle but this case makes me crazy IMO

[Imperfect4]

If Casey was at Lee's house around the corner, would her call phone ping off that same tower?

When you mention about them possibly knowing the exact details of what occured to Caylee, I got a chill because as time goes by, I lean closer and closer that THAT theory and that Cindy took control and wrote the script, and then told Casey 'you go party and be with your friends, I will take care of the rest of your mess, we'll figure it out in a month'.

jmo

The thing is, it's the Anthonys who bring this speculation and suspicion on themselves, with their unabated, blatantly obvious LYING.

They are clearly lying about June 15th/16th. And the fact George revisited his version of events of the morning of the 16th and embellished upon it makes a normal, rational thinking person even that much more suspicious of their involvement in Caylee's murder and the subsequent cover up.

The Anthonys' typical MO is to simply rain their lies down on everyone like pigeon poop, and as the need arises, they simply add another lie or contradict something said previously. But the morning of June 16th is now a different animal, imo, because George went out of his way to add his embellishments to the original story, and during his little performance, he mumbled, stumbled, and looked at his shoes.

So imo, by actually backtracking and adding to a previous lie -- which is different behavior than we've seen out of them -- they have now elevated the lies about the 15th/16th to a new, and even more disturbing level with regard to their involvement.

[desmom]

If G&C believe Casey is innocent, then why are they going through so much energy to protect the person or persons they believe kidnapped Caylee and mudered her? Their web of lies make no sense at all, if anything the lies are very telling of a family memeber involvement in Caylee's murder. JMO

Yep when they open their mouths it is all about all the wonderful things they are doing and they stand by their daughter, but never mention looking for Caylee's killer.

So does this mean they believe Casey killed Caylee? jmo

[MrsHudson]

My impression of hearsay was that anything you witnessed yourself, or that someone told you directly could be used. Meaning, if Lee was present at the fight and told TonE, it could be used. BUT if it was just Cindy and Casey, and Casey later told Lee, who told TonE, then it was hearsay.

I think...I get confused easily and distracted by shiny things a lot. :confused:

I thought Lee and George told LE ab out the fight.????

[Imperfect4]

But it doesn't seem to be bothering Jose and the dream team any. they haven't put out anything to try and prevent it from coming out....

Very strange family.. I think it is just another way for Cindy and George to keep themselves in the lime light and it keeps them on the morning talk shows....moo

Well, let's try to think about this another way. Perhaps the fact the dream team hasn't objected to the release of the autopsy report tells us something about the direction Ms. Lyon is headed?

Perhaps the sands are shifting from denying the OC's involvement, to explaining why she did what she did?

[imc_e]

OT -

IMC E~

Ya know what I would like better than seeing pictures of our fellow posters?? I'd like to know WHO some of them are...what I am saying is there has been a lot of posters that are wearing new "outfits" than they were when all of this started and I don't always know who is who! LOL! :scared:


K!

I don't know who they are, but maybe they don't want us to know?
It could be incriminating.. :sneaky:

[desmom]

Casey Anthony jail video will not be released
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-news-061709,0,7936902.story

[Imperfect4]

Brought over from yesterday's thread:



The butterfly on the floral arrangement can be seen in photos 21, 22, 26 and 27. http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/19777128/detail.html

Wow. :sad:

[BlueHeron]

Casey Anthony jail video will not be released
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-news-061709,0,7936902.story

Well, this confirms for me that her reaction can't be mistaken for that of a bereaved parent.

[Sun]

IMO, whatever happened George is covering up. I have questioned his recollection of the 12:50 p.m. events since the first time I heard him tell the story. No way he could recall exactly what they were wearing and repeat the conversation between him and Casey IF it was just another normal day. His statement was too scripted and had way to much information.

I remember how I felt after I had finished with the very first 400-page doc dump. It left me with unanswered questions in regards to George, or what his involvement may have been. And, in the bond hearing, the looks that Casey and George gave to each other gave me the feeling that they shared a secret, a secret that made both tear up. To this day, that feeling hasn't left me. However, I have never waivered from my feeling that Casey is directly involved, and responsible for the death of Caylee.

[happy2bme]

Casey Anthony jail video will not be released
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-news-061709,0,7936902.story


Well shoot! I wanted to see it.:sneaky:

[KittyMom]

Casey Anthony jail video will not be released
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-news-061709,0,7936902.story

well, poot! :angry:

[KittyMom]

Could Casey have set G & C up and something in the autopsy report point in their direction? That would explain their desire to keep it out of the public and the inaction by the defense. :confused:

[desmom]

Well, this confirms for me that her reaction can't be mistaken for that of a bereaved parent.

I agree. The report said Judge Strickland watched the video.

Judge Strickland wrote, "Given the nature and scope of the pretrial publicity, it is not unreasonable to assume that many persons in the potential jury pool might view this video and develop a 'hardened' attitude in reference to the defendant's guilt."

[Imperfect4]

amen. there were only bones left so it's not like we will hear horrible details so what are the A's really afraid of?

Imo, the autopsy report "seals the deal." It includes the "strong opinion" of Dr. Garavaglia as to what occurred to cause Caylee's death. Clearly, based on the fact the DP is back on the table, what occurred was murderous, horrendous, and linked to Casey Anthony and the Anthony home.

Once that report is released, imo, many of the platforms the A's have been standing on will crumble, in particular Cindy's "We don't know what happened" platform.

[happy2bme]

With all the different versions/lies GA has given about the last time he saw Caylee...could he be setting it so that he is an unreliable witness? If that makes sense.:confused:

[Sun]

Casey Anthony jail video will not be released
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-news-061709,0,7936902.story

We have been provided with a fairly good impression of what the video would have shown, through LE interviews and also the depos that Baez filed with the court. And, also we now have Judge Strickland's view of the video.

[KittyMom]

Well, this confirms for me that her reaction can't be mistaken for that of a bereaved parent.

yep...but this doesn't mean that the jury won't see it at trial, correct?

[BlueHeron]

Brought over from yesterday's thread:



The butterfly on the floral arrangement can be seen in photos 21, 22, 26 and 27. http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/19777128/detail.html


Ok, well I had made it through the last few days without crying, but I've lost it now. Little Caylee knows who still cares for her. She came there to let them know. I'm gone...:sad:

[Imperfect4]

Thanks des.

Its possible that Casey left in the night with Caylee and then came back after her parents had left for work..

I can imagine their attitude is 'oh Im lying? PROVE it' so they feel free to lie. jmo

My bold. I very much hope LE and the state of Florida do just that.

[KittyMom]

My bold. I very much hope LE and the state of Florida do just that.

I hope and pray all their lies pave a path to a cell for each of them. If they get away with this behavior it will enable others to behave in the same manner.

[Tia]

yep...but this doesn't mean that the jury won't see it at trial, correct?

I was just going to ask the same question.

Anyone?

[margaritaville]

Not as I know of..I was just wondering if the ring was ever found that Cindy was asking about...


that is the Tiffiny ring Cindy asked Casey about...
It was on her hand in this picture of her in the black dress leaning on TonE, and all others leading up to Caylee's murder.
But she was not wearing it in the pictures of her in the blue dress (after Caylee went missing)

[SoggyBayou]

I agree. The report said Judge Strickland watched the video.

Judge Strickland wrote, "Given the nature and scope of the pretrial publicity, it is not unreasonable to assume that many persons in the potential jury pool might view this video and develop a 'hardened' attitude in reference to the defendant's guilt."

Yep, and I wonder if it gives credibility to the inmate that was on HLN and NG that sold her story to a gossip paper.

[Tia]

She had a month to learn how to act for the 911 call.

We have seen it in many trials, the staged 911 calls..

Im not saying probably, but I am saying possibly.

Cindy and George could easily be MORE involved than we realize.

jmo


That is something I have always believed and LE is just letting them blab away to the media. Cindy and George are going to sink Casey and themselves IMO.

[Imperfect4]

Casey Anthony jail video will not be released
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-news-061709,0,7936902.story

Fabulous! We're moving forward! Enough about that ridiculous freaking video! :thumbup:

Thank you, state's attorneys, for lighting a fire under his honor.

Thank you, Judge Strickland, for making a ruling on this distraction. Now please, release the autopsy report!

[Scampi]

Casey Anthony jail video will not be released
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-news-061709,0,7936902.story

It appears Judge Strickland has erred on the side of caution here in denying the video's release. I do hope that we see this video in the Prosecution's case in chief though.

[desmom]

If Judge Strickland ruled on the video today, maybe he will also rule on the autopsy report.

Off to mow, check back later.

[kitty1182]

Well, this confirms for me that her reaction can't be mistaken for that of a bereaved parent.



Confirms it for me too..

[Imperfect4]

I hope and pray all their lies pave a path to a cell for each of them. If they get away with this behavior it will enable others to behave in the same manner.

ITA. This case is high profile like almost no other. I suspect there's already been a "copycat" murder of a child by her mother on the west coast. The last thing our society needs, imo, is to have the Anthonys remain untouchable with regard to their horrific behavior the past year. We certainly don't need any "copycat" parents or grandparents using the A's as their role models.

It's a terrible precedent to set, imo.

[kitty1182]

that is the Tiffiny ring Cindy asked Casey about...
It was on her hand in this picture of her in the black dress leaning on TonE, and all others leading up to Caylee's murder.
But she was not wearing it in the pictures of her in the blue dress (after Caylee went missing)


Thanks....:smile:

[margaritaville]

Thanks....:smile:

Your welcome:biggrin:

[Dick Tracy]

SOMETIME??????????

Cindy knows dates and times for Casey's Adventures but cant say what time Caylee's bedtime was???????

she wasnt there or was dragged out before she got her pj's on. IMO

Cindy was asked about HER last conversation....but once again, she VOLUNTEERS additional information, bringing another person into her explanation: IMO its a lie based on that single statement about GA's MORNING.....when he clearly stated 10 to one in the afternoon is when his 'interaction' began. with the Anthonys, more information, they believe, equals credibility....NOT.

both of them talked and rambled so much in their FBI/LE interviews, it was an impossible task for them to remember what they said....its difficult to remember lies as evidenced by the contradictions in each other's statements.....and variations....the truth is easy.

it was not easy to listen to these interviews because they were both lying about the month of May and Father's day. and of course Casey's historical behaviour and thefts dating back to February of 08.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

Yeah... Sometime. On the 15th. The day the Anthony's want to smooth over, because of the knockdown drag out fight that got physical between Schmindy and the PRP. And that is the last time she saw Caylee alive. She knows it, LE knows it. GA knows it.

It's that fight that they can't get away from. They'll talk again about seeing her on the 16th. So that it will become ingrained in everyone's mind. But the fight is the catalyst that caused the death of Caylee.

And they all KNOW it.

What to do? What to do? LIE. Play pretend. AND DENY DENY DENY. If it doesn't fit in with the new and revised timeline, it didn't happen *** or IT DID HAPPEN ***

Because Schmindy has it covered.

[crimeq]

If Casey was at Lee's house around the corner, would her call phone ping off that same tower?

When you mention about them possibly knowing the exact details of what occured to Caylee, I got a chill because as time goes by, I lean closer and closer that THAT theory and that Cindy took control and wrote the script, and then told Casey 'you go party and be with your friends, I will take care of the rest of your mess, we'll figure it out in a month'.

jmo

I've come closer to this belief, too--that the script was actually written by Cindy. The month was to let the body decompose. George, being former LE and Cindy, a nurse, were well-equipped to do a cover-up.

I think they created a model after Madeline McCann's disappearance and looked at the money the McCanns got.

Remember how cocky Casey was in court that first time, when she smiled at G&C and mouthed "Hi"? She was completely unfazed (I would have been shaking in terror, in that position!). She really believed they were getting her out of there, scott-free. They had already rehearsed this.

Casey believed she would be in the money too, the mother of a kidnapped, missing child (someone posted yesterday that Casey is PO'd because Cindy is living the life Casey thought she'd be living--news shows, media spots, limos and trips and crab puffs--and a FUNDation. I tend to agree.).

Caylee's little body was put out in the elements to decompose and deteriorate and fall apart, exactly what happened. No body, no crime.

Casey thought she would be the media darling, not the one accused of first-degree murder. She thought she would have the public's sympathy--and money would follow.

Well, it is now for G&C.

G&C have to have some matter-of-factness about death, with their backgrounds. Very early on, they decided to make lemonade out of lemons. Caylee was dead, (yes they were sad and angry), nothing would bring her back, how do we go on living--and use this to our advantage!

And they are riding that advantage train for all its worth.

[Scampi]

Confirms it for me too..


Hiya Sweet Sis!! It must be a grade A doozy of a scene, to cause an experienced Judge like Strickland to state: "...... that many persons in the potential jury pool might view this video and develop a 'hardened' attitude in reference to the defendant's guilt."

[kitty1182]

Hiya Sweet Sis!! It must be a grade A doozy of a scene, to cause an experienced Judge like Strickland to state: "...... that many persons in the potential jury pool might view this video and develop a 'hardened' attitude in reference to the defendant's guilt."

I bet he was floored when he saw it..:wink:

Now, we need the autospy report!!

[Imperfect4]

I've come closer to this belief, too--that the script was actually written by Cindy. The month was to let the body decompose. George, being former LE and Cindy, a nurse, were well-equipped to do a cover-up.

I think they created a model after Madeline McCann's disappearance and looked at the money the McCanns got.

Remember how cocky Casey was in court that first time, when she smiled at G&C and mouthed "Hi"? She was completely unfazed (I would have been shaking in terror, in that position!). She really believed they were getting her out of there, scott-free. They had already rehearsed this.

Casey believed she would be in the money too, the mother of a kidnapped, missing child (someone posted yesterday that Casey is PO'd because Cindy is living the life Casey thought she'd be living--news shows, media spots, limos and trips and crab puffs--and a FUNDation. I tend to agree.).

Caylee's little body was put out in the elements to decompose and deteriorate and fall apart, exactly what happened. No body, no crime.

Casey thought she would be the media darling, not the one accused of first-degree murder. She thought she would have the public's sympathy--and money would follow.

Well, it is now for G&C.

G&C have to have some matter-of-factness about death, with their backgrounds. Very early on, they decided to make lemonade out of lemons. Caylee was dead, (yes they were sad and angry), nothing would bring her back, how do we go on living--and use this to our advantage!

And they are riding that advantage train for all its worth.

So if all or parts of this theory are true, when can we expect Casey to roll over on her parents? After her conviction?

Because I can't imagine, even if AL saves her from the needle, the OC is planning to do time by herself. Seems to me she might keep up the ruse to see if her dream team can get her acquitted, which would mean the whole vile bunch of them would be home free

But the second she realizes that ain't happening, I would expect her to start singing. She'll have to admit her own involvement, but she'll take whoever in her family was part of the cover up down in the process. No way she's going to watch them living it up while she does her own time. imo

[Imperfect4]

Hiya Sweet Sis!! It must be a grade A doozy of a scene, to cause an experienced Judge like Strickland to state: "...... that many persons in the potential jury pool might view this video and develop a 'hardened' attitude in reference to the defendant's guilt."

ITA. It must be doozy. Seems like there must be even more to it than has been "leaked."

[Scampi]

I've come closer to this belief, too--that the script was actually written by Cindy. The month was to let the body decompose. George, being former LE and Cindy, a nurse, were well-equipped to do a cover-up.

I think they created a model after Madeline McCann's disappearance and looked at the money the McCanns got.

Remember how cocky Casey was in court that first time, when she smiled at G&C and mouthed "Hi"? She was completely unfazed (I would have been shaking in terror, in that position!). She really believed they were getting her out of there, scott-free. They had already rehearsed this.

Casey believed she would be in the money too, the mother of a kidnapped, missing child (someone posted yesterday that Casey is PO'd because Cindy is living the life Casey thought she'd be living--news shows, media spots, limos and trips and crab puffs--and a FUNDation. I tend to agree.).

Caylee's little body was put out in the elements to decompose and deteriorate and fall apart, exactly what happened. No body, no crime.

Casey thought she would be the media darling, not the one accused of first-degree murder. She thought she would have the public's sympathy--and money would follow.

Well, it is now for G&C.

G&C have to have some matter-of-factness about death, with their backgrounds. Very early on, they decided to make lemonade out of lemons. Caylee was dead, (yes they were sad and angry), nothing would bring her back, how do we go on living--and use this to our advantage!

And they are riding that advantage train for all its worth.


Hi Crime!! A few things would help substantiate this theory.

1. casey anthony's remark on the first jailhouse phone call of "You
don't know what my involvement is?"

2. The absurdity of george removing that car from the tow yard,
when he knew he smelled the odor of a decomposing body in it.

3. That both parents would actually go back to work, after bringing
that car home, it is unbelievable. I would love to know if cindy
made any phone calls from work and to whom.

4. cindy anthony's completely ridiculous attitude towards Tim Miller's search
for Caylee.

[Dick Tracy]

Imo, the autopsy report "seals the deal." It includes the "strong opinion" of Dr. Garavaglia as to what occurred to cause Caylee's death. Clearly, based on the fact the DP is back on the table, what occurred was murderous, horrendous, and linked to Casey Anthony and the Anthony home.

Once that report is released, imo, many of the platforms the A's have been standing on will crumble, in particular Cindy's "We don't know what happened" platform.


Yep. But those PLATFORMS have already started to crumble, courtesy of all the lies that they've spewed.

This family doesn't know shame.

[imc_e]

The thing is, it's the Anthonys who bring this speculation and suspicion on themselves, with their unabated, blatantly obvious LYING.

They are clearly lying about June 15th/16th. And the fact George revisited his version of events of the morning of the 16th and embellished upon it makes a normal, rational thinking person even that much more suspicious of their involvement in Caylee's murder and the subsequent cover up.

The Anthonys' typical MO is to simply rain their lies down on everyone like pigeon poop, and as the need arises, they simply add another lie or contradict something said previously. But the morning of June 16th is now a different animal, imo, because George went out of his way to add his embellishments to the original story, and during his little performance, he mumbled, stumbled, and looked at his shoes.

So imo, by actually backtracking and adding to a previous lie -- which is different behavior than we've seen out of them -- they have now elevated the lies about the 15th/16th to a new, and even more disturbing level with regard to their involvement.

I can only think that they are doing those things to muddy the waters even further than they have already been muddied.

And obviously to deflect attention off the murderer and onto them.

To convolute (third-person singular simple present convolutes, present participle convoluting, simple past and past participle convoluted)

(transitive) To make unnecessarily complex.

[crimeq]

So if all or parts of this theory are true, when can we expect Casey to roll over on her parents? After her conviction?

Because I can't imagine, even if AL saves her from the needle, the OC is planning to do time by herself. Seems to me she might keep up the ruse to see if her dream team can get her acquitted, which would mean the whole vile bunch of them is home free

But the second she realizes that ain't happening, I would expect her to start singing. She'll have to admit her own involvement, but she'll take whoever in her family was part of the cover up down in the process. No way she's going to watch them living it up while she does her own time. imo

Oh, she will roll ... no question about it. I think she's still believing she'll get off (and go to the beach to work on her tan) but as soon as she finds out she's looking at life in prison or the needle instead, she will r-o-l-l on them.

"You don't know what MY involvement in this is?"
"Don't worry, I haven't told them anything."

[crimeq]

Hi Crime!! A few things would help substantiate this theory.

1. casey anthony's remark on the first jailhouse phone call of "You
don't know what my involvement is?"

2. The absurdity of george removing that car from the tow yard,
when he knew he smelled the odor of a decomposing body in it.

3. That both parents would actually go back to work, after bringing
that car home, it is unbelievable. I would love to know if cindy
made any phone calls from work and to whom.

Hi Scampi! I just made a comment about the "You don't know what my involvement is" line, too.

Very interesting to think that Cindy may have made calls from work; maybel that's exactly why she went back there!

Yes, the decomp smell, taking the car home and locking it up in the garage, smelly as it was, then detailing the car inside and out--Cindy washing Casey's slacks (where were the other clothes she was wearing?) -- that's not the act of rational people, but it certainly is the act of purposeful people -- to cover up.

[MGM111]

Casey Anthony jail video will not be released
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-news-061709,0,7936902.story

Oh well.....I had a feeling this wouldnt be released :sleep:

Thank you Desmom

[eastside joe]

Yeah... Sometime. On the 15th. The day the Anthony's want to smooth over, because of the knockdown drag out fight that got physical between Schmindy and the PRP. And that is the last time she saw Caylee alive. She knows it, LE knows it. GA knows it.

It's that fight that they can't get away from. They'll talk again about seeing her on the 16th. So that it will become ingrained in everyone's mind. But the fight is the catalyst that caused the death of Caylee.

And they all KNOW it.

What to do? What to do? LIE. Play pretend. AND DENY DENY DENY. If it doesn't fit in with the new and revised timeline, it didn't happen *** or IT DID HAPPEN ***

Because Schmindy has it covered.

I fully believe Tony Lazarro will have it covered as well. I believe based upon the phone records we know to be true that Tony Lazarro will be able to testify in great detail as to the extent of the rift the evening of the 15th between Cindy and Casey. Remember Casey's phone communication with Tony began at 7:05 pm on the 15th (I believe shortly after the blow up with Cindy) and lasted non-stop with either text or conversation til 3:22 am on June 16th. That is 8 hours and 22 minutes of non-stop communication. Many believe Caylee was murdered during this time-frame.

IMO Tony is going to be the star witness for the prosecution. We have never heard him in any prior interview be asked by LE about this time period. We have not seen any documents related to this topic. Don't believe for one second that LE forgot to cover it. They are sitting on it. Why haven't we seen Tony Lazarro in any public interview? Because he is intelligent enough not to put his credibility on display prior to the trial. Give this young man credit, he has done what others have chosen not to do, and that is stay quiet and assist LE in any and every way possible.

I can't wait for the trial and for Tony to testify in front of OC. His testimony will be insightful, it will be powerful, it will be incriminating and it will help send the OC to death row where she rightfully belongs. IMO

[imc_e]

I don't care one bit about the jail house video where she reacted to Caylee's body being found. Glad that issue is over,

BUT I do want that autopsy report!

Come on media, get it!

[spiritwolf46]

Hi all!

I am on a completely different computer and only know what I am doing right now on it, so please tell me, have I missed something through the week? Still in Texas and will be home next Tues. so will have to get used to a Mac for the week! LOL

Thank all! :wub:

[KittyMom]

I fully believe Tony Lazarro will have it covered as well. I believe based upon the phone records we know to be true that Tony Lazarro will be able to testify in great detail as to the extent of the rift the evening of the 15th between Cindy and Casey. Remember Casey's phone communication with Tony began at 7:05 pm on the 15th (I believe shortly after the blow up with Cindy) and lasted non-stop with either text or conversation til 3:22 am on June 16th. That is 8 hours and 22 minutes of non-stop communication. Many believe Caylee was murdered during this time-frame.

IMO Tony is going to be the star witness for the prosecution. We have never heard him in any prior interview be asked by LE about this time period. We have not seen any documents related to this topic. Don't believe for one second that LE forgot to cover it. They are sitting on it. Why haven't we seen Tony Lazarro in any public interview? Because he is intelligent enough not to put his credibility on display prior to the trial. Give this young man credit, he has done what others have chosen not to do, and that is stay quiet and assist LE in any and every way possible.

I can't wait for the trial and for Tony to testify in front of OC. His testimony will be insightful, it will be powerful, it will be incriminating and it will help send the OC to death row where she rightfully belongs. IMO

I'm not so sure that Tone knows anything about the fight. She didn't even stay in the apt with him when she talked with Cindy. But, I'm thinking Jesse might know a little something. Not only about June 15th but also about previous bouts between the two Anthony females.

[kjt200]

I've said this before and feel the need to say it again................

Cindy and George never cease to amaze me, but the "walking on eggshells" treatment of them blows my mind as well. They clearly have an overblown sense of entitlement, but they are encouraged in it as well. Lie to police? No problem, they are grieving grandparents. Chase people in the middle of the night and put the public at risk? No problem, they are grieving grandparents. Contemplate asking an actual question that might call them out on lies? Oh no, couldn't do that, they are grieving grandparents.

It just gets on my last jerking nerve. Why does EVERYONE who might actually be able to curb some of this nonsense not hold them accountable for ANYTHING? Christ on a crooked crutch, I'm not asking to take them out and shoot them....But why oh why oh why not at least use some of the powers that be to reign them in a tad? Do they really think that they are going to be credible witnesses on the stand? Have they not proven again and again that they are more than willing to lie about anything and everything? Do they not see that by not shaking them up that they are encouraging this behavior? Grrrrrrr, it's maddening.

And finally.........................................

At night in the House of Anthony when they watch the news (and we know they watch all of it), what do they say to each other when cases like Christopher Coleman are discussed? Do they think that man should get off because of course he didn't kill his wife and kids cuz he SAYS he didn't. Do they think he should come home from jail? Do they think others should be blamed for the murders to get him off?

Okay, I'm done. I feel better now. My own opinion of course. Thanks for listening. Be well.

[darcie]

We have been provided with a fairly good impression of what the video would have shown, through LE interviews and also the depos that Baez filed with the court. And, also we now have Judge Strickland's view of the video.


You are right! It must not be pretty!

I wonder if the video will be shown during trial?

If it doesn't look good now, it sure isn't going to look any better by then!

But that is just my opinion. Seems like it might be better to show it now, the harshness (for lack of a better word) of it, might wear off by trial time.

[Imperfect4]

I fully believe Tony Lazarro will have it covered as well. I believe based upon the phone records we know to be true that Tony Lazarro will be able to testify in great detail as to the extent of the rift the evening of the 15th between Cindy and Casey. Remember Casey's phone communication with Tony began at 7:05 pm on the 15th (I believe shortly after the blow up with Cindy) and lasted non-stop with either text or conversation til 3:22 am on June 16th. That is 8 hours and 22 minutes of non-stop communication. Many believe Caylee was murdered during this time-frame.

IMO Tony is going to be the star witness for the prosecution. We have never heard him in any prior interview be asked by LE about this time period. We have not seen any documents related to this topic. Don't believe for one second that LE forgot to cover it. They are sitting on it. Why haven't we seen Tony Lazarro in any public interview? Because he is intelligent enough not to put his credibility on display prior to the trial. Give this young man credit, he has done what others have chosen not to do, and that is stay quiet and assist LE in any and every way possible.

I can't wait for the trial and for Tony to testify in front of OC. His testimony will be insightful, it will be powerful, it will be incriminating and it will help send the OC to death row where she rightfully belongs. IMO

I don't know whether you stick around for responses to your posts, Joe, but IIRC, documents have been released indicating Tony L. told LE it was primarily "pillow talk" between he and Casey during all that phoning and texting overnight on the 15th.

I'm not taking anything away from Tony, however, it's also conceivable LE has something minor on him, and he has been so incredibly cooperative on account of that.

I'm sure he's a nice, average, generally law-abiding young man. I don't think he's the linchpin to the state's case, however.

[EverMoth]

I agree. The report said Judge Strickland watched the video.

Judge Strickland wrote, "Given the nature and scope of the pretrial publicity, it is not unreasonable to assume that many persons in the potential jury pool might view this video and develop a 'hardened' attitude in reference to the defendant's guilt."

Hmmm. . .I wonder if that is the judges own feeling about it - "a hardened attitude in reference to the defendent's guilt.

[Imperfect4]

I've said this before and feel the need to say it again................

Cindy and George never cease to amaze me, but the "walking on eggshells" treatment of them blows my mind as well. They clearly have an overblown sense of entitlement, but they are encouraged in it as well. Lie to police? No problem, they are grieving grandparents. Chase people in the middle of the night and put the public at risk? No problem, they are grieving grandparents. Contemplate asking an actual question that might call them out on lies? Oh no, couldn't do that, they are grieving grandparents.

It just gets on my last jerking nerve. Why does EVERYONE who might actually be able to curb some of this nonsense not hold them accountable for ANYTHING? Christ on a crooked crutch, I'm not asking to take them out and shoot them....But why oh why oh why not at least use some of the powers that be to reign them in a tad? Do they really think that they are going to be credible witnesses on the stand? Have they not proven again and again that they are more than willing to lie about anything and everything? Do they not see that by not shaking them up that they are encouraging this behavior? Grrrrrrr, it's maddening.

And finally.........................................

At night in the House of Anthony when they watch the news (and we know they watch all of it), what do they say to each other when cases like Christopher Coleman are discussed? Do they think that man should get off because of course he didn't kill his wife and kids cuz he SAYS he didn't. Do they think he should come home from jail? Do they think others should be blamed for the murders to get him off?

Okay, I'm done. I feel better now. My own opinion of course. Thanks for listening. Be well.

I agree with every word. I cannot conceive why the A's still have an audience with the media, and worse yet, why no one is challenging their constant lies and contradictions.

It's a disgrace. I'm not sure how much more shameful the treatment of Caylee can get.

[Stella Rose]

I can't imagine the Anthonys knew Caylee was dead at the beginning. Even for them - nope. Cindy's fear and anguish was real only once - when she called 911. I think they pieced together what happened after the fact and then went into cover up mode.

Although with this group, anything is possible - so I'm not putting any money behind this statement!

[imc_e]

Earlier someone posted a quote from Cindy that said she was a spokesperson for Caylee.

It bothers me.. and I want to correct Cindy and say that she is a spokesperson for the murderer, Casey, not Caylee.

We are Caylee's voice.

[eastside joe]

I'm not so sure that Tone knows anything about the fight. She didn't even stay in the apt with him when she talked with Cindy. But, I'm thinking Jesse might know a little something. Not only about June 15th but also about previous bouts between the two Anthony females.

I disagree.

Think about it. She has a blow up with her mother in the early evening on the 15th of June. Her mother threatens to file for custody of Caylee and tells Casey to get the he..out of the house.

Casey begins phone communication with Tony at 7:05 pm non stop until 3:22 am and never mentions anything about the fight nor reveals her state of mind? She was on the verge of murder IMO. Very difficult for me to believe that to be the case.

Do you really believe this was 8 hours and 22 minutes of non stop casual conversation? LOL No chance in my mind. If that was the case we would already be aware that Tony knew nothing. Listen to the first interview with Tony. Listen to the second interview with Tony. Read the transcripts. I have done this over and over. Never has this critical time frame been covered. Just skipped over by LE. Why??? Because they are sitting on it. IMO.

[sammy62]

We all have questions about the hearsay rules in Florida. But, couldn't george and cindy be asked about other accounts of the facts, if they completely refute their accounts?

For example:

cindy: I did not have a fight with casey on 6/15.

Prosecutor: Would it surprise you then, that your daughter told Lee that you tried to choke her?

Would something like the above be allowed, especially if they put lee on to testify that casey told him about the choking and fight?

BTW, thank God they have george on record at the Grand Jury, there is no way he can divert from that testimony, imo.

does anyone have a link to george and cindy at the grand jury. I would like to watch those video's.

[comemonday]

Another from a colder clime! We're everywhere! Boat drinks all around!

I posted on Monday that I just returned from Orlando for a long weekend of play (me & hubby go every 3 mths or so) and it saddened me that everytime we go to Universal (our fav. place) I think about the lies Casey spewed about working there, then I think (going to/from airport) about all the searches that took place along the route (and thinking of the great posters who participated in those searches) and I get saddened that I go there to enjoy and that poor baby never got to enjoy any of the "magic" that Disney/Universal holds..

o/t - I too am from a colder climate where I'm wondering when it'll feel like summer's about to arrive! That's why we head down there so often!
Bring on the boat drinks!

[eastside joe]

I don't know whether you stick around for responses to your posts, Joe, but IIRC, documents have been released indicating Tony L. told LE it was primarily "pillow talk" between he and Casey during all that phoning and texting overnight on the 15th.

I'm not taking anything away from Tony, however, it's also conceivable LE has something minor on him, and he has been so incredibly cooperative on account of that.

I'm sure he's a nice, average, generally law-abiding young man. I don't think he's the linchpin to the state's case, however.

Oh really, documents have been released regarding those texts and conversation. Can you point me to them? When were they released? Pru, did I miss something important?

[spiritwolf46]

Ok!

Thanks much anyway, guys! I will just go to WFTV and see what I may find.

Have a GREAT DAY! :seeya:

[Jester]

Ok!

Thanks much anyway, guys! I will just go to WFTV and see what I may find.

Have a GREAT DAY! :seeya:
CNN news ... jail tape of Casey will not be released.

[kitty1182]

Hi all!

I am on a completely different computer and only know what I am doing right now on it, so please tell me, have I missed something through the week? Still in Texas and will be home next Tues. so will have to get used to a Mac for the week! LOL

Thank all! :wub:



Well we aren't going to get to see the video of CA when she heard the news about Caylee...
I am so hoping we DO get the autospy report though..:thumbup:

(I'm a Mac lover)

[Scampi]

Hi Scampi! I just made a comment about the "You don't know what my involvement is" line, too.

Very interesting to think that Cindy may have made calls from work; maybel that's exactly why she went back there!

Yes, the decomp smell, taking the car home and locking it up in the garage, smelly as it was, then detailing the car inside and out--Cindy washing Casey's slacks (where were the other clothes she was wearing?) -- that's not the act of rational people, but it certainly is the act of purposeful people -- to cover up.

I saw your post Cri, we can add in all of them stating the wrong date they last saw Caylee. I will never believe that wasn't done deliberately.

[comemonday]

OT -

IMC E~

Ya know what I would like better than seeing pictures of our fellow posters?? I'd like to know WHO some of them are...what I am saying is there has been a lot of posters that are wearing new "outfits" than they were when all of this started and I don't always know who is who! LOL! :scared:


K!

No new outfit for me. I was a lurker from August 2008, becoming engrossed in this sad story.. I joined in Sept where I started posting. I don't post much, but I do follow the board daily. I truly appreciate the insight all of you give. Unfortuately this is a facinating case with very sad and tragic consequences that I am compelled to follow. I just posted today for say some feelings I had and I appreciate the responses. I don't tend to get many.

[FallenAngel♥]

Well, this confirms for me that her reaction can't be mistaken for that of a bereaved parent.

Yep i feel the same way.

[Imperfect4]

Oh really, documents have been released regarding those texts and conversation. Can you point me to them? When were they released? Pru, did I miss something important?

I can't, Joe. Hopefully a links goddess will be able to. But I remember the conversation here, and I even mentioned you by name -- that you were eagerly awaiting the content of those overnight calls and texts, and would be as disappointed as I was to hear that according to Tony, it was mostly just "pillow talk."

Hopefully someone will come along in a bit, see our exchange, and be able to point us in the direction of what Tony said to LE about his contact with the OC that night.

[Sandy001]

I am not sure how that works. If what Lenny's employees heard is considered to be hearsay, then wouldn't all the statements from Casey's friends about what Casey said also hearsay? (i.e. Caylee is with the nanny)

:shrug:I think (correct me if I am wrong,) that hearsay is You saying that person A was told something by Person B. And you are testifying to what Person B said. I believe anything said directly to you is not hearsay. If LP and his crew heard loud arguing coming from the hosue, that is not hearsay.

[Imperfect4]

does anyone have a link to george and cindy at the grand jury. I would like to watch those video's.

Cindy didn't testify at the GJ, sammy. And GJ proceedings are highly secretive. No videos, audios, transcripts ... nothing.

[Pruddennce]

I fully believe Tony Lazarro will have it covered as well. I believe based upon the phone records we know to be true that Tony Lazarro will be able to testify in great detail as to the extent of the rift the evening of the 15th between Cindy and Casey. Remember Casey's phone communication with Tony began at 7:05 pm on the 15th (I believe shortly after the blow up with Cindy) and lasted non-stop with either text or conversation til 3:22 am on June 16th. That is 8 hours and 22 minutes of non-stop communication. Many believe Caylee was murdered during this time-frame.

IMO Tony is going to be the star witness for the prosecution. We have never heard him in any prior interview be asked by LE about this time period. We have not seen any documents related to this topic. Don't believe for one second that LE forgot to cover it. They are sitting on it. Why haven't we seen Tony Lazarro in any public interview? Because he is intelligent enough not to put his credibility on display prior to the trial. Give this young man credit, he has done what others have chosen not to do, and that is stay quiet and assist LE in any and every way possible.

I can't wait for the trial and for Tony to testify in front of OC. His testimony will be insightful, it will be powerful, it will be incriminating and it will help send the OC to death row where she rightfully belongs. IMO

page 13 on the link below are LE's questions about the calls, starting with the 15th.

actually eastside, thats not entirely true about Tony and his knowledge of a physical fight....he was aware there was contention; however, is not sure about many things in this interview:

page 15

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5686811/Casey-Anthony-Tony-Lazzaro-transcript-Sept-8-2008


he was honest about not being precise, because after all, he wasnt PAYING ATTENTION to Casey and her issues. IMO

he had plenty a late nite talk with 'girlfriends' he says, so the early morning calls were not significant...HE WASNT PAYING ATTENTION.

and I believe him.

Casey was not about to make Tony aware of what happened because it was ugly, mother getting physical!.....he was a potential prospect...its one thing to say you dont get along with your parents...its another thing entirely to say they are whacked, her mother hit her. she had not severed ties, she was still connected to Cindy, still living there (in and out)....

and......she wasnt invited to live with him and his roommate....in fact, Tony was planning on relocating and she wasnt invited to share that location either....

Casey was not sure what she was going to do.....therefore, it wasnt important for her to share her ENTIRE plight with him.....she would have to explain what she was doing with Caylee if she was looking for an invite to live with him....she didnt get that far in her thinking process..she is only about 10 minutes ahead of daily life......if that.....

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[Scampi]

does anyone have a link to george and cindy at the grand jury. I would like to watch those video's.

Only george was called to testify before the GJ and those proceedings were and remain secret until trial.

[kitty1182]

No new outfit for me. I was a lurker from August 2008, becoming engrossed in this sad story.. I joined in Sept where I started posting. I don't post much, but I do follow the board daily. I truly appreciate the insight all of you give. Unfortuately this is a facinating case with very sad and tragic consequences that I am compelled to follow. I just posted today for say some feelings I had and I appreciate the responses. I don't tend to get many.



Hello and Welcome..:smile:

[Sandy001]

Well we aren't going to get to see the video of CA when she heard the news about Caylee...
I am so hoping we DO get the autospy report though..:thumbup:

(I'm a Mac lover)
There is something VERY INFLAMMATORY in that video adn that is why the Judge sealed it. The prosecution didn't object so I don't think it's something that Casey did. It will probably come out at trial tho.
I think keeping the autopsy report out of the Discovery will be more difficult as it IS a public record and paid for by the citizens of Florida.

[msgatorslayer]

Oh, she will roll ... no question about it. I think she's still believing she'll get off (and go to the beach to work on her tan) but as soon as she finds out she's looking at life in prison or the needle instead, she will r-o-l-l on them.

"You don't know what MY involvement in this is?"
"Don't worry, I haven't told them anything."

Once she's convicted of murder one, if she tries to roll on anyone, including her parents for cover-up, she'll screw her own chance of an appeal. For in order for to admit they covered anything up she would also be admitting to her own role in the death of Caylee.

[kitty1182]

There is something VERY INFLAMMATORY in that video adn that is why the Judge sealed it. The prosecution didn't object so I don't think it's something that Casey did. It will probably come out at trial tho.
I think keeping the autopsy report out of the Discovery will be more difficult as it IS a public record and paid for by the citizens of Florida.



I am so waiting for it..lol

[Imperfect4]

I disagree.

Think about it. She has a blow up with her mother in the early evening on the 15th of June. Her mother threatens to file for custody of Caylee and tells Casey to get the he..out of the house.

Casey begins phone communication with Tony at 7:05 pm non stop until 3:22 am and never mentions anything about the fight nor reveals her state of mind? She was on the verge of murder IMO. Very difficult for me to believe that to be the case.

Do you really believe this was 8 hours and 22 minutes of non stop casual conversation? LOL No chance in my mind. If that was the case we would already be aware that Tony knew nothing. Listen to the first interview with Tony. Listen to the second interview with Tony. Read the transcripts. I have done this over and over. Never has this critical time frame been covered. Just skipped over by LE. Why??? Because they are sitting on it. IMO.

My bold. Actually, I do.

Casey said nothing of substance to anyone, ever. There are several reports from friends and acquaintances about references Casey made to trouble with her mother, however, there has not been one person to come forward and be specific.

Imo, Casey didn't get into specifics ... she simply "set tones." And she lied in some form or fashion every time she opened her mouth. I don't think she confided in anyone, not even her various BFF's, about what really went on in that house or in her life. She was all window dressing with no inventory.

I also suspect Casey was trying to present herself to Tony as a perfect catch. Perfect catches don't come with alot of complaining, confiding, or baggage. That's another reason I don't think Casey elaborated with Tony at all about her issues with her mother.

Everyone knew there were issues between CinA and CA, but no one outside the family has any detail. Casey followed her mother's lead quite well with regard to keeping the family's dirty laundry out of sight.

Edited to add: With the HUGE exception of what she told both Jesse and Tony L. about Lee. But ... I think she was lying, for whatever reason, so technically she wasn't airing truthful dirty laundry in that instance, either.

[kitty1182]

Once she's convicted of murder one, if she tries to roll on anyone, including her parents for cover-up, she'll screw her own chance of an appeal. For in order for to admit they covered anything up she would also be admitting to her own role in the death of Caylee.

I use to wonder if the night of the 15th, she and Cindy had a BAD fight.
I think GA was still at work..
During the fight, Caylee got caught in the middle and got hurt..

[comemonday]

Hello and Welcome..:smile:

Thank you! You guys are truly awesome and I appreciate all the insights you provide out here. While I'm not "supposed" to be here while at work :) you guys really speak the thoughts I have "outloud" and it gives me a better prerogative as to this tragic event and the highly-dysfunctional family involved.

[court~critic1®]

I bet he was floored when he saw it..:wink:

Now, we need the autospy report!!


I would be willing to bet that if the judge pandered to the Ants on this video, he will do the same on the autopsy report. The public will not see it. I personally do not care one way or the other. Just get on with the trial.

Of course lyon will say cindy and george made casey do it. UGH!!

This is her agenda in all killers she defends.

[Imperfect4]

I would be willing to bet that if the judge pandered to the Ants on this video, he will do the same on the autopsy report. The public will not see it. I personally do not care one way or the other. Just get on with the trial.

Of course lyon will say cindy and george made casey do it. UGH!!

This is her agenda in all killers she defends.

I think Judge Strickland will release the report. I really do.

It's an entirely different animal from that stupid jailhouse video, imo.

So ... I wait. <insert sound of fingers tapping here>

[kitty1182]

I would be willing to bet that if the judge pandered to the Ants on this video, he will do the same on the autopsy report. The public will not see it. I personally do not care one way or the other. Just get on with the trial.

Of course lyon will say cindy and george made casey do it. UGH!!

This is her agenda in all killers she defends.



I bet George and Cindy and Lee will be bought into it..
Remember what Casey told somebody about what LA did to her?
Defense will probally say it warped her mind..imo

[msgatorslayer]

I use to wonder if the night of the 15th, she and Cindy had a BAD fight.
I think GA was still at work..
During the fight, Caylee got caught in the middle and got hurt..

I don't think Casey would cover for Cindy long at all if they both had equal roles in the demise of Caylee. She's to selfish, IMO. She'd want her Mom right there with her, eating pork rinds.

[imc_e]

No new outfit for me. I was a lurker from August 2008, becoming engrossed in this sad story.. I joined in Sept where I started posting. I don't post much, but I do follow the board daily. I truly appreciate the insight all of you give. Unfortuately this is a facinating case with very sad and tragic consequences that I am compelled to follow. I just posted today for say some feelings I had and I appreciate the responses. I don't tend to get many.

Thanks for coming out to say hello. :seeya:

There are a lot of lurkers/readers that follow along this sad case.
Its hard to look away from what you know will be a train wreck!

I feel that if Cindy had only gotten her daughter some psychiatric help, that Caylee would still be alive.

At the very least, she should have held her accountable to the consquences of her poor choices, like the stealing.

But no, now we clearly see that Cindy wants Casey to get away with murder. The murder of Caylee, their grandchild.

Its inconscienable !

[kitty1182]

I don't think Casey would cover for Cindy long at all if they both had equal roles in the demise of Caylee. She's to selfish, IMO. She'd want her Mom right there with her, eating pork rinds.

I don't think she would either unless she thinks she will get off..
Surely she doesn't think that:rolleyes: