Monday June 15/09

[ellegna]

Candles for Caylee

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/...l=eng&gi=cayle (http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle)

:rose:

Caylee's Guest Book

http://www.legacy.com/SPTimes/GB/Gue...onId=121581033 (http://www.legacy.com/SPTimes/GB/GuestbookView.aspx?PersonId=121581033)


:rose:

[Danette44]

Good Morning everyone -

Can't believe it's been a year already - praying Caylee gets Justice

[desmom]

One year ago today...June 15, 2008 – Father’s Day

Cindy and Caylee visit Great-Grandpa at the nursing home. Caylee and Great-Grandpa Plesea
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T613YgLw_HE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS648U0xTI0

Cindy and Caylee visit Great-Grandma Plesea and have chili for dinner. Caylee had a PBJ.
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1643165/Plesea-Shirley---Statement

Rumors of huge fight between Casey and Cindy.

Text messages between Casey and Amy: http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1772101/AH-and-KC-Text-Messages

Amy to Casey: So I'm gonna job hunt tom wee

Casey to Amy 06/15 8:15 p.m.: Good stuff love!

Amy to Casey: I think I have cramps for the first time in 3 years. This sucks! I forgot how much it hurts.

Amy to Casey: So I'm not feeling good so I'm just going to crash at the boys. I’ll call in the morning.

[ellegna]

Good morning

Thank you Desmom for the recaps.
Hard to believe it's already been a year :sad:

[Sun]

Good morning everyone! Thanks desmom for the "year ago today!" Here is a little detail about the fight that possibly could have occured on June 15th.

"Also on Sep 15, LE met with JC (a neighbor of the Anthony's) who lives directly across from them. JC had info about two very loud augrments he heard between Casey and CA in May or June, both on weekends. According to JC:

JC: Casey came out of the house, screaming at CA and calling her names. I heard "F-you," and "Just Shut Up Mom," and "I Don't Want to Hear it Anymore." Then Casey went for a jog.

JC: Another time, Casey came outside screaming some stuff at CA. CA never raised her voice, just put her head down and got in her car and drove away. Casey just acted like a spoiled brat basically.

On Part 4 of the latest document releases, page 49, "Mark Fuhrman also reported that GA and CA explained that CA and Casey had an argument on the 15th or 16th of June.

Cindy's brother stated on a blog, "The fight was about Casey stealing money from her grandparents. She stole a check for $354 from her granddad's nursing home account that even Cindy's mom couldn't cash. The bank had to reimburse Cindy's dad's account. Cindy's mom wanted the bank to press charges but Cindy somehow got Casey out of it. That is what the fight was about. They had jsut visited Cindy's dad on fathers day. Cindy's mom was very unhappy with Cindy for not doing something about Casey. Cindy and Casey got into it. Big blowup that the neighbors overheard.

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Anthony%20pgs%202901-2950%20f.pdf

[desmom]

Good morning everyone! Thanks desmom for the "year ago today!" Here is a little detail about the fight that possibly could have occured on June 15th.

"Also on Sep 15, LE met with JC (a neighbor of the Anthony's) who lives directly across from them. JC had info about two very loud augrments he heard between Casey and CA in May or June, both on weekends. According to JC:

JC: Casey came out of the house, screaming at CA and calling her names. I heard "F-you," and "Just Shut Up Mom," and "I Don't Want to Hear it Anymore." Then Casey went for a jog.

JC: Another time, Casey came outside screaming some stuff at CA. CA never raised her voice, just put her head down and got in her car and drove away. Casey just acted like a spoiled brat basically.

On Part 4 of the latest document releases, page 49, "Mark Fuhrman also reported that GA and CA explained that CA and Casey had an argument on the 15th or 16th of June.

Cindy's brother stated on a blog, "The fight was about Casey stealing money from her grandparents. She stole a check for $354 from her granddad's nursing home account that even Cindy's mom couldn't cash. The bank had to reimburse Cindy's dad's account. Cindy's mom wanted the bank to press charges but Cindy somehow got Casey out of it. That is what the fight was about. They had jsut visited Cindy's dad on fathers day. Cindy's mom was very unhappy with Cindy for not doing something about Casey. Cindy and Casey got into it. Big blowup that the neighbors overheard.

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Anthony%20pgs%202901-2950%20f.pdf

Bolding mine....IMO, it had to be June 15 because Cindy said when she left for work on June 16, the girls' door was closed and she never saw them that day. IOW, they were gone when she returned home from work.

Cindy tried to cover-up in the depo... A date was not given, but Cindy became real defensive...

http://www.forthepeople.com/CAnthony-Depo.pdf

page 175

Isn't that right after that Casey had a fight with her family --
A Yeah, it is.
Q -- and left the home?
A She didn't have a fight with me. Go there. Go there, Mr. Morgan. She didn't fight with me, sir.
Mr. Conway: Cindy.
The Witness: No, no.

page 178

Q And finally, isn't it true that two days before Zenaida Gonzalez signed that at Sawgrass, that Casey Anthony, your daughter, had had a fight with the family and left the family and didn't return for 30 days and was hanging out at Sawgrass Apartments and would have had time to see this person at Sawgrass Apartments and would have had a time to talk to people about her visit to Sawgrass Apartments?
A No, because we did not have an argument.

Cindy must have let her guard down or was bedazzled by Mark Fuhrman's celebrity status and told him the family secrets.

jmo

[AMS]

Good morning everyone - my all time favorite picture of Caylee is the one in her little blue top at the nursing home with GGP. She is smiling and looks so happy.

It is hard to believe that it has been one year.


imo

[Scampi]

Good morning Canada and Des, a very sad day for all of us.
Did we ever learn exactly where casey anthony was on this day?

I believe Caylee Anthony was murdered sometime between 11:00 p.m. and 4:00 a.m.

When george anthony arrived home from work I do not think he saw the white pontiac in the driveway, casey and Caylee were gone, following the fight with cindy, imo.

' Rest in Peace Caylee Marie Anthony.

[Sun]

Bolding mine....IMO, it had to be June 15 because Cindy said when she left for work on June 16, the girls' door was closed and she never saw them that day. IOW, they were gone when she returned home from work.

Cindy tried to cover-up in the depo... A date was not given, but Cindy became real defensive...

http://www.forthepeople.com/CAnthony-Depo.pdf

page 175

Isn't that right after that Casey had a fight with her family --
A Yeah, it is.
Q -- and left the home?
A She didn't have a fight with me. Go there. Go there, Mr. Morgan. She didn't fight with me, sir.
Mr. Conway: Cindy.
The Witness: No, no.

page 178

Q And finally, isn't it true that two days before Zenaida Gonzalez signed that at Sawgrass, that Casey Anthony, your daughter, had had a fight with the family and left the family and didn't return for 30 days and was hanging out at Sawgrass Apartments and would have had time to see this person at Sawgrass Apartments and would have had a time to talk to people about her visit to Sawgrass Apartments?
A No, because we did not have an argument.

Cindy must have let her guard down or was bedazzled by Mark Fuhrman's celebrity status and told him the family secrets.

jmo

Bedazzled, and Mark Fuhrman probably only had to "flirt" just a little with her.

[desmom]

Good morning Canada and Des, a very sad day for all of us.
Did we ever learn exactly where casey anthony was on this day?

I believe Caylee Anthony was murdered sometime between 11:00 p.m. and 4:00 a.m.

When george anthony arrived home from work I do not think he saw the white pontiac in the driveway, casey and Caylee were gone, following the fight with cindy, imo.

' Rest in Peace Caylee Marie Anthony.

We know she was not with the Amy/Ricardo crew. Cindy and Caylee went to Mt. Dora, George was at work. The only text message Casey to sent to Amy was in the evening. IMO, she spent the day with Tone.

[Sun]

Good morning Canada and Des, a very sad day for all of us.
Did we ever learn exactly where casey anthony was on this day?

I believe Caylee Anthony was murdered sometime between 11:00 p.m. and 4:00 a.m.

When george anthony arrived home from work I do not think he saw the white pontiac in the driveway, casey and Caylee were gone, following the fight with cindy, imo.

' Rest in Peace Caylee Marie Anthony.

I think that neither George nor Cindy even made a reference to whether the white pontiac was in the driveway on the eve of the 15th or morning of the 16th. ....did they just not notice or remember, or is this just something that "they know, but aren't telling"?

[Sun]

We know she was not with the Amy/Ricardo crew. Cindy and Caylee went to Mt. Dora, George was at work. The only text message Casey to sent to Amy was in the evening. IMO, she spent the day with Tone.

I think it's safe to say that Casey didn't go to church that Sunday ...LOL

[ellegna]

Good morning Canada and Des, a very sad day for all of us.
Did we ever learn exactly where casey anthony was on this day?

I believe Caylee Anthony was murdered sometime between 11:00 p.m. and 4:00 a.m.

When george anthony arrived home from work I do not think he saw the white pontiac in the driveway, casey and Caylee were gone, following the fight with cindy, imo.

' Rest in Peace Caylee Marie Anthony.

Morning Scampi

Amazing we've heard/read so much leading up to Father's Day but Casey's whereabouts on the 15th is a mystery.

June 13, 2008, Friday Casey lies to Amy, making up the story about George having a stroke and being at the hospital with him. Casey was supposed to take Amy to Jacksonville trip to pick up Amy’s new car. Calls Rico and tells him the same story. Roy House, Tony Lazzaro’s roommate, says he saw Casey AND Caylee on June 13 at the Fusion bar when Casey attended a party thrown by House and Lazzaro. It was noted because several people noticed and commented that it was inappropriate to have Caylee there. I think this is important, that Casey was told by her friends that Caylee shouldn't be at a night club on Friday night, three days before Caylee goes missing and one day after the big Fathers day argument. Why didn't she have a babysitter on that night, if they were so freely available?
.
June 14, 2008 No one heard from Casey: Amy, Troy, Rico, Jesse.
.
June 15, 2008, Sunday Father’s Day Amy talks to Casey on phone about living situation—when she will be able to move in.
.
June 15, 2008, Sunday Caylee and Cindy visited Cindy’s father at 12:00 noon at his nursing home in Mt Dora. Last photo’s of Caylee taken, time taken from camera. A strong conversation occurred between Great Grandma and Cindy occurred because G-Grams wanted Casey held responsible for the thefts against her and the nursing home. This must have sparked the argument at home between Cindy and Casey.
.
June 15, 2008 Anthony’s neighbors report loud argument at the Anthony’s house over the fathers day weekend.

http://prairiechicken.blogspot.com/2009/06/casey-anthony-timeline-revised-june-1.html

[Grins]

Sweet Caylee was finally found December 11, 2008.

Fingerprints on the duct tape

Duct tape on the body and any fingerprints or lack of prints thereon is key evidence; perhaps the most important evidence in the case.

The Sunshine Law requires the release of the print report from the FBI.

Discovery rules require release of print reports to the defense within 15 days of receipt by the State Attorney.

December 2008 FBI Latent Print Office detailed reports released about material found on the duct tape=BUT only heart shaped outline...
ok
um excuse me... did you forget the report on
fingerprints?

Florida has 15 days from receipt to release print reports so January at the latest right?

Nothing. No court order preventing release so where is it?

January nothing, February nothing, March nothing, April, nothing, May nothing, June nothing...thousands of pages of documents and no print report.
Why?
Where is the report State Attorney?

[Grins]

Discovery Law requires release of reports within 15 days of receipt by State Attorney.

"CRIMINAL DISCOVERY IN FLORIDA
BY
JUDGE SCOTT J. SILVERMAN
DADE COUNTY COURT
...
"VII. STATE'S DUTY TO DISCLOSE

The prosecutor is obligated to disclose and permit defense counsel to inspect information in the state's control. The applicable rule requires disclosure, as well as an opportunity to review. If the state fails to discharge its duty in this regard, the trial court must make an inquiry into the circumstances of the discovery violation. Carter v. State, 665 So.2d 1112 (Fla. 4th DCA 1996); Fla.R.Crim.P. 3.220(a).
...
IX. CONTINUING DUTY TO DISCLOSE

A. Under the continuing discovery obligation, it is incumbent on the State to disclose newly discovered evidence to the defense. Absent such disclosure, when the violation is brought to the judge's attention, the court is required to conduct a complete Richardson hearing and provide a full record for appellate review. Barrett v. State, 649 So.2d 219, 222 (Fla. 1994).

B. The state has a continuing duty to disclose witnesses, regardless or whether the defendant was able to obtain the information by another means. Hahn v. State, 626 So.2d 1056, 1058 (Fla. 4th DCA 1993).

C. The state has an affirmative and continuing duty to disclose to the defense certain information within the state's possession, including the results of scientific tests and any tangible evidence that the state intends to introduce at trial. McArthur v. State, 671 So.2d 867 (Fla. 4th DCA 1996).

D. Although the prosecution has no general duty to seek out information as to which the defense has reasonable access, it cannot deliberately avoid the acquisition of information. See, State v. Counce, 392 So.2d 1029 (Fla. 4th DCA 1991)..."
[emphasis supplied]
http://www.countyjudges.com/articles/96discov.htm#VII.%20STATE'S%20DUTY%20TO%20DISCLOSE

[damienstoy]

Discovery Law requires release of reports within 15 days of receipt by State Attorney.

"CRIMINAL DISCOVERY IN FLORIDA
BY
JUDGE SCOTT J. SILVERMAN
DADE COUNTY COURT
...
"VII. STATE'S DUTY TO DISCLOSE

The prosecutor is obligated to disclose and permit defense counsel to inspect information in the state's control. The applicable rule requires disclosure, as well as an opportunity to review. If the state fails to discharge its duty in this regard, the trial court must make an inquiry into the circumstances of the discovery violation. Carter v. State, 665 So.2d 1112 (Fla. 4th DCA 1996); Fla.R.Crim.P. 3.220(a).
...
IX. CONTINUING DUTY TO DISCLOSE

A. Under the continuing discovery obligation, it is incumbent on the State to disclose newly discovered evidence to the defense. Absent such disclosure, when the violation is brought to the judge's attention, the court is required to conduct a complete Richardson hearing and provide a full record for appellate review. Barrett v. State, 649 So.2d 219, 222 (Fla. 1994).

B. The state has a continuing duty to disclose witnesses, regardless or whether the defendant was able to obtain the information by another means. Hahn v. State, 626 So.2d 1056, 1058 (Fla. 4th DCA 1993).

C. The state has an affirmative and continuing duty to disclose to the defense certain information within the state's possession, including the results of scientific tests and any tangible evidence that the state intends to introduce at trial. McArthur v. State, 671 So.2d 867 (Fla. 4th DCA 1996).

D. Although the prosecution has no general duty to seek out information as to which the defense has reasonable access, it cannot deliberately avoid the acquisition of information. See, State v. Counce, 392 So.2d 1029 (Fla. 4th DCA 1991)..."
[emphasis supplied]
http://www.countyjudges.com/articles/96discov.htm#VII.%20STATE'S%20DUTY%20TO%20DISCLOSE


Ah, but none of this applies to the FBI. Perhaps they are holding onto the print report for their own reasons?

[Sun]

If testing is being done at the FBI level, and they haven't yet written a report and forwarded it to the Prosecutors, then the Prosecutors don't have possession or control, and can't pass it on to the Defense.

I wondered about fingerprints too, until I saw pictures of the condition of some of the duct tape that was found at the site. The poor condition of the remnants of the tape, could easly mean that prints would be very, very hard to come up with.

[*MoonRider*]

We know she was not with the Amy/Ricardo crew. Cindy and Caylee went to Mt. Dora, George was at work. The only text message Casey to sent to Amy was in the evening. IMO, she spent the day with Tone.

GM, Here are Casey's Cell Phone Pings. http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=p6Pnw95vqOo-MgZ7Vsp9pYg&gid=7

[Scampi]

We know she was not with the Amy/Ricardo crew. Cindy and Caylee went to Mt. Dora, George was at work. The only text message Casey to sent to Amy was in the evening. IMO, she spent the day with Tone.

Speaking of Lazarro, we still do not have the report of his interview regarding his talking to casey anthony in the early morning hours of 6/16. What was said, her demeanor, did he hear Caylee in the background. That report is missing also, imo.

SUN - Going by memory, I recall george anthony giving a somewhat fuzzy reply when asked if he saw casey's car in the driveway upon returning home from work. Something like if it wasn't there he would remember.

' Rest in Peace Caylee Marie Anthony.

[Sun]

Ah, but none of this applies to the FBI. Perhaps they are holding onto the print report for their own reasons?

chuckles... Baez clearly has no friends within the FBI, who might be able to tell him "how" to do things. Baez clearly has no idea of how to get things from the FBI. Shucks, you'd think that someone on the Defense Team would educate him. (these are the folks that Baez identified to Judge Strickland when asked who Baez would be showing pics of Caylee's remains to)

Dr. Lee --CT
Dr. Kathy Reichs --NC and Canada
Dr. Fierro --Washington D.C.
Dr. Spitz --Michigan
Dr. Huntington --Nebraska
Dr. Bock --Colorado
LKB --New York
Macaluso --California
Lyon --Michigan/Chicago?

[aproudmom]

Morning everyone

so hard to believe it has been almost a year..A Promise to Caylee seems strangers care more than her own family..she is truly AMERICAS ANGEL.:rose:

http://www.respectance.com/apromisetocaylee/

[KittyMom]

Good morning all!

I wonder if Cindy and George are feeling as nauseated as I do this morning? The memory of Caylee's last day alive would eat me alive.

[Scampi]

baez has strolled into court a few times now and whined to Judge Strickland about not receiving timely discovery and each time, iirc, it was noted that the information he wanted had not yet been given to the Prosecution.

Unless and until the State has been proven to be acting improperly or unfairly, I will continue to have complete faith in the integrity of Linda Drane-Burdick and her team.


' Rest in Peace Caylee Marie Anthony.

[Sun]

Speaking of Lazarro, we still do not have the report of his interview regarding his talking to casey anthony in the early morning hours of 6/16. What was said, her demeanor, did he hear Caylee in the background. That report is missing also, imo.

SUN - Going by memory, I recall george anthony giving a somewhat fuzzy reply when asked if he saw casey's car in the driveway upon returning home from work. Something like if it wasn't there he would remember.

' Rest in Peace Caylee Marie Anthony.

Ok, I've forgotten that. However, I suspect that George may not have a very good memory for "recall" of details for events that happened "in the past." This is just an overall feeling that I've gotten, after being exposed to what he has said over the last year. I've also gotten the impression that George is a HUGE liar. Like he lies to his family, he lies to the media, he lies to the public, and he lies to LE/FBI.

I also suspect that it may not have been an unusual occurance if Casey's car was not in the driveway when he got home from work. And this is something that he sure didn't want LE to know.

[Ladyhawk]

Sweet Caylee was finally found December 11, 2008.

Fingerprints on the duct tape

Duct tape on the body and any fingerprints or lack of prints thereon is key evidence; perhaps the most important evidence in the case.

The Sunshine Law requires the release of the print report from the FBI.

Discovery rules require release of print reports to the defense within 15 days of receipt by the State Attorney.

December 2008 FBI Latent Print Office detailed reports released about material found on the duct tape=BUT only heart shaped outline...
ok
um excuse me... did you forget the report on
fingerprints?

Florida has 15 days from receipt to release print reports so January at the latest right?

Nothing. No court order preventing release so where is it?

January nothing, February nothing, March nothing, April, nothing, May nothing, June nothing...thousands of pages of documents and no print report.
Why?
Where is the report State Attorney?

There is a report on the fingerprints in the 2-18-09 document dump...sorry I don't have a link to it but it is there. Meanwhile, this link may refresh your memory a bit regarding the fingerprints and the duct tape.
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/02/casey-anthony-case-her-fingerprints-arent-on-tape-wkmg-reports.html

[KittyMom]

Morning everyone

so hard to believe it has been almost a year..A Promise to Caylee seems strangers care more than her own family..she is truly AMERICAS ANGEL.:rose:

http://www.respectance.com/apromisetocaylee/

I hope many will watch this video and allow its words to sink into their hearts. :crying:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co8sx5O6SsM&feature=player_embedded

[Grins]

If testing is being done at the FBI level, and they haven't yet written a report and forwarded it to the Prosecutors, then the Prosecutors don't have possession or control, and can't pass it on to the Defense.

I wondered about fingerprints too, until I saw pictures of the condition of some of the duct tape that was found at the site. The poor condition of the remnants of the tape, could easly mean that prints would be very, very hard to come up with.Hi Sun! :thumbsup:
Read again:
"C. The state has an affirmative and continuing duty to disclose to the defense certain information within the state's possession, including the results of scientific tests and any tangible evidence that the state intends to introduce at trial. McArthur v. State, 671 So.2d 867 (Fla. 4th DCA 1996)." [emphasis supplied]

Information by telephone is discoverable by the same rules.

The court is not going to accept the claim that we do not have a written report yet so we are hiding the results of tests.
If it was that easy to circumvent the law the defense would get nothing.

Do you really believe that the FBI did not call the State Attorney the very minute six months ago when it finished looking for prints on the duct tape?
From the moment they get the call they had 15 days to advise defendant and the public.
Six months later and counting...no print report.

If the degradation of the sample prevented finding prints so be it=where is that report?

[Sun]

Hi Sun! :thumbsup:
Read again:
"C. The state has an affirmative and continuing duty to disclose to the defense certain information within the state's possession, including the results of scientific tests and any tangible evidence that the state intends to introduce at trial. McArthur v. State, 671 So.2d 867 (Fla. 4th DCA 1996)." [emphasis supplied]

Information by telephone is discoverable by the same rules.

The court is not going to accept the claim that we do not have a written report yet so we are hiding the results of tests.
If it was that easy to circumvent the law the defense would get nothing.

Do you really believe that the FBI did not call the State Attorney the very minute six months ago when it finished looking for prints on the duct tape?
From the moment they get the call they had 15 days to advise defendant and the public.
Six months later and counting...no print report.

If the degradation of the sample prevented finding prints so be it=where is that report?

Would you happen to know if Baez can legally depose the FBI folks on the State's Witness List? I notice that he hasn't done this, and really wonder why.

[Scampi]

I hope many will watch this video and allow its words to sink into their hearts. :crying:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co8sx5O6SsM&feature=player_embedded

Thank you for posting that video, it was very, very hard to watch though......


' Rest in Peace Caylee Marie Anthony.

[desmom]

Hi Sun! :thumbsup:
Read again:
"C. The state has an affirmative and continuing duty to disclose to the defense certain information within the state's possession, including the results of scientific tests and any tangible evidence that the state intends to introduce at trial. McArthur v. State, 671 So.2d 867 (Fla. 4th DCA 1996)." [emphasis supplied]

Information by telephone is discoverable by the same rules.

The court is not going to accept the claim that we do not have a written report yet so we are hiding the results of tests.
If it was that easy to circumvent the law the defense would get nothing.

Do you really believe that the FBI did not call the State Attorney the very minute six months ago when it finished looking for prints on the duct tape?
From the moment they get the call they had 15 days to advise defendant and the public.
Six months later and counting...no print report.

If the degradation of the sample prevented finding prints so be it=where is that report?

bolding mine...

Question: How would that work? If the State did receive a phone call, would they then in turn call JB and say hey we got a phone call from the FBI confirming ____________ (fill in the blank)?

TIA

[Scampi]

Hi Sun! :thumbsup:
Read again:
"C. The state has an affirmative and continuing duty to disclose to the defense certain information within the state's possession, including the results of scientific tests and any tangible evidence that the state intends to introduce at trial. McArthur v. State, 671 So.2d 867 (Fla. 4th DCA 1996)." [emphasis supplied]

Information by telephone is discoverable by the same rules.

The court is not going to accept the claim that we do not have a written report yet so we are hiding the results of tests.
If it was that easy to circumvent the law the defense would get nothing.

Do you really believe that the FBI did not call the State Attorney the very minute six months ago when it finished looking for prints on the duct tape?
From the moment they get the call they had 15 days to advise defendant and the public.
Six months later and counting...no print report.

If the degradation of the sample prevented finding prints so be it=where is that report?

Morning Grinnie! If any of what you are posting is true, where is the Richardson hearing to address it?

[AMS]

I hope many will watch this video and allow its words to sink into their hearts. :crying:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co8sx5O6SsM&feature=player_embedded

Thank you for the link. :crying: :crying:

imo

[KittyMom]

Thank you for posting that video, it was very, very hard to watch though......


' Rest in Peace Caylee Marie Anthony.

It is difficult to watch. Even more difficult to know that so many strangers care so much for a little girl they only know through pictures, videos, and memories of young adults. Why doesn't her family love her in the same manner?

[desmom]

Would you happen to know if Baez can legally depose the FBI folks on the State's Witness List? I notice that he hasn't done this, and really wonder why.

He is too busy deposing all the jail personnel hoping to prove misconduct. He rants/raves and carries on about Casey's rights. We know the video will not be admissible at trial. I think I became more interested in the video after JB's rants/raves and carrying on about it. What is in this darn video JB does not want the world to see?

JB reminds me of a little boy that gets lost in the woods because he is distracted by all the little things on the side of the trail. JB needs to learn to focus.

jmo

[breezie]

Hi Sun! :thumbsup:
Read again:
"C. The state has an affirmative and continuing duty to disclose to the defense certain information within the state's possession, including the results of scientific tests and any tangible evidence that the state intends to introduce at trial. McArthur v. State, 671 So.2d 867 (Fla. 4th DCA 1996)." [emphasis supplied]

Information by telephone is discoverable by the same rules.

The court is not going to accept the claim that we do not have a written report yet so we are hiding the results of tests.
If it was that easy to circumvent the law the defense would get nothing.

Do you really believe that the FBI did not call the State Attorney the very minute six months ago when it finished looking for prints on the duct tape?
From the moment they get the call they had 15 days to advise defendant and the public.
Six months later and counting...no print report.

If the degradation of the sample prevented finding prints so be it=where is that report?

Maybe you should send your concerns to Judge Strickland. He seems fine with the way discovery is being handled. JOKE Baez has tried many times for sanctions, getting them thrown off the case and he's O for.

We are focused in CAYLEE this week. She was MURDERED. I personally couldn't care less about Baez right now.

[Sun]

bolding mine...

Question: How would that work? If the State did receive a phone call, would they then in turn call JB and say hey we got a phone call from the FBI confirming ____________ (fill in the blank)?

TIA

chuckles... Seems to me that the State has went out of their way several times to try to ensure that Casey's rights are being met.

I can see no possible way that the State would have a "conversation" with Baez to pass on any "phone conversation" that they may have had with one of their own "experts/witnesses." That sure isn't how Discovery works.

[bchand]

Maybe you should send your concerns to Judge Strickland. He seems fine with the way discovery is being handled. JOKE Baez has tried many times for sanctions, getting them thrown off the case and he's O for.

We are focused in CAYLEE this week. She was MURDERED. I personally couldn't care less about Baez right now.

I'm with you breezie.

Today is most likely her last day on this earth one year ago.

Let the lawyers fight it out.

[desmom]

bolding mine...

Question: How would that work? If the State did receive a phone call, would they then in turn call JB and say hey we got a phone call from the FBI confirming ____________ (fill in the blank)?

TIA

Sorry to quote myself. I tried to edit, but it was too late.

Maybe this answers my question: http://www.countyjudges.com/articles/96discov.htm#I.%20NEW%20RULES%20RESTRICTING%20DEPO SITIONS

XXV. ORAL STATEMENTS BY EXPERTS

An expert's oral statements are not discoverable. The reference to "statements" as set forth in Rules 3.220(a)(1)(ii) and 3.220(a)(1)(x) are limited to written statements or contemporaneously recorded oral statements. Watson v. State, 651 So.2d 1159 (Fla. 1994).

Wouldn't a phone call from the FBI reporting on their findings be considered an "expert's oral statement"?

[Sun]

He is too busy deposing all the jail personnel hoping to prove misconduct. He rants/raves and carries on about Casey's rights. We know the video will not be admissible at trial. I think I became more interested in the video after JB's rants/raves and carrying on about it. What is in this darn video JB does not want the world to see?

JB reminds me of a little boy that gets lost in the woods because he is distracted by all the little things on the side of the trail. JB needs to learn to focus.

jmo

ITA, almost. I think that Baez need to look for another occupation. One that doesn't require him to speak in front of others/cameras. IMO, he is bringing down my opinion of officers of the court.

[Myka]

Ok, I've forgotten that. However, I suspect that George may not have a very good memory for "recall" of details for events that happened "in the past." This is just an overall feeling that I've gotten, after being exposed to what he has said over the last year. I've also gotten the impression that George is a HUGE liar. Like he lies to his family, he lies to the media, he lies to the public, and he lies to LE/FBI.

I also suspect that it may not have been an unusual occurance if Casey's car was not in the driveway when he got home from work. And this is something that he sure didn't want LE to know.

however, Ga recalls the last time he saw Caylee........he was watching is fav tv show on the Food Netwrok and IIRC, he even quoated the time the tv program was on...........which I'm sure his statement is all BS

[sammy62]

Bolding mine....IMO, it had to be June 15 because Cindy said when she left for work on June 16, the girls' door was closed and she never saw them that day. IOW, they were gone when she returned home from work.

Cindy tried to cover-up in the depo... A date was not given, but Cindy became real defensive...

http://www.forthepeople.com/CAnthony-Depo.pdf

page 175

Isn't that right after that Casey had a fight with her family --
A Yeah, it is.
Q -- and left the home?
A She didn't have a fight with me. Go there. Go there, Mr. Morgan. She didn't fight with me, sir.
Mr. Conway: Cindy.
The Witness: No, no.

page 178

Q And finally, isn't it true that two days before Zenaida Gonzalez signed that at Sawgrass, that Casey Anthony, your daughter, had had a fight with the family and left the family and didn't return for 30 days and was hanging out at Sawgrass Apartments and would have had time to see this person at Sawgrass Apartments and would have had a time to talk to people about her visit to Sawgrass Apartments?
A No, because we did not have an argument.

Cindy must have let her guard down or was bedazzled by Mark Fuhrman's celebrity status and told him the family secrets.

jmo

can you refresh my memory...who is Mark Fuhrman

good morning everyone.

rip caylee

[Sun]

Sorry to quote myself. I tried to edit, but it was too late.

Maybe this answers my question: http://www.countyjudges.com/articles/96discov.htm#I.%20NEW%20RULES%20RESTRICTING%20DEPO SITIONS

XXV. ORAL STATEMENTS BY EXPERTS

An expert's oral statements are not discoverable. The reference to "statements" as set forth in Rules 3.220(a)(1)(ii) and 3.220(a)(1)(x) are limited to written statements or contemporaneously recorded oral statements. Watson v. State, 651 So.2d 1159 (Fla. 1994).

chuckles.... that is exactly what I was thinking! You are good desmom!!!!!!!!!

[Myka]

I hope many will watch this video and allow its words to sink into their hearts. :crying:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co8sx5O6SsM&feature=player_embedded

wow that just made me cry!

[Sun]

can you refresh my memory...who is Mark Fuhrman

good morning everyone.

rip caylee

ummm, associated with Greta or FOX I believe. someone surely knows this better than me though.

[desmom]

can you refresh my memory...who is Mark Fuhrman

good morning everyone.

rip caylee

Former LAPD Homicide Detective assigned to the Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman murders.

He often appears on the TH news shows as an expert.

jmo

[bchand]

can you refresh my memory...who is Mark Fuhrman

good morning everyone.

rip caylee

Former L.A. detective involved in the OJ murder trial.

At the beginning of this case when Greta Van Sustern was covering it for Fox, Mark was on her show alot and was in Orlando questioning neighbors, etc.

[Ladyhawk]

chuckles... Seems to me that the State has went out of their way several times to try to ensure that Casey's rights are being met.

I can see no possible way that the State would have a "conversation" with Baez to pass on any "phone conversation" that they may have had with one of their own "experts/witnesses." That sure isn't how Discovery works.

Even JB isn't dumb enough to go before the judge and complain that the State isn't doing discovery properly because they didn't call him and tell him about their phone calls. :laugh: The FBI fingerprint report was released so I don't understand why there is still an insistence by the OP that it wasn't....:shrug:

[Myka]

Former LAPD Homicide Detective assigned to the Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman murders.

He often appears on the TH news shows as an expert.

jmo

during the OJ Simpson trial, he was asked if he ever used the "N" word and he said, under oath, that he had never said that word. Then all of these tapes came out he he was saying "N" this and "N" that. After that all of LA was calling him a racest. He was also accused of planting one of the bloody gloves.



But he redeemed himself by ( and help me out here folks) solving a cold case up in the New England area and wrote a book about it. Moxey was the girls last name? ( something like that)

[desmom]

during the OJ Simpson trial, he was asked if he ever used the "N" word and he said, under oath, that he had never said that word. Then all of these tapes came out he he was saying "N" this and "N" that. After that all of LA was calling him a racest. He was also accused of planting one of the bloody gloves.



But he redeemed himself by ( and help me out here folks) solving a cold case up in the New England area and wrote a book about it. Moxey was the girls last name? ( something like that)

Martha Moxley

The book is "Murder in Greenwich".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Fuhrman

....he investigated the then-unsolved 1975 murder of Martha Moxley and presented his theory that the murderer was Michael Skakel, nephew of Ethel Kennedy, the widow of Senator Robert Kennedy, which helped to re-open the case. Skakel was subsequently convicted of murder in June 2002.

[Sun]

Since Lyon is now the "lead attorney" or 1st Chair, does anyone know how that may change the turnover of Discovery from now on? Will it first be released to Lyon? And, Baez would then have to get it from her? Does anyone know how this works?

It is so amazing to see so many folks that want Justice for little Caylee, ....when her own grandparents have abandoned her to support the monster who killed her.

[desmom]

Since Lyon is now the "lead attorney" or 1st Chair, does anyone know how that may change the turnover of Discovery from now on? Will it first be released to Lyon? And, Baez would then have to get it from her? Does anyone know how this works?

It is so amazing to see so many folks that want Justice for little Caylee, ....when her own grandparents have abandoned her to support the monster who killed her.

tee-hee I just had a mental image of JB, Lyon and LKB wrestling over who gets to see the discovery lst?

I have no idea. Since JB is local and part of the Crew, I imagine he would pick up the discovery and pass it on through email or snail mail to Lyon and LKB.

jmo

[Grins]

bolding mine...

Question: How would that work? If the State did receive a phone call, would they then in turn call JB and say hey we got a phone call from the FBI confirming ____________ (fill in the blank)?

TIAThat is what I did as a homicide prosecutor. The defendant is entitled to know such vital fingerprint information immediately, no matter how I got it or what it said.
As soon as I received the written report I sent it over.

It is a matter of honor among trial lawyers to deal fairly with each other to insure a fair trial.

Both sides are sadly lacking here.

It is surprising to me that I get such negative responses to my questions about refusal to release reports.

What if the duct tape revealed the prints of the defendant? I am interested in that information in looking for justice for Caylee why not you?

~This is my opinion based upon evidence of conduct in public by both sides.

[Rapunzel]

Good morning everyone! Thanks desmom for the "year ago today!" Here is a little detail about the fight that possibly could have occured on June 15th.

"Also on Sep 15, LE met with JC (a neighbor of the Anthony's) who lives directly across from them. JC had info about two very loud augrments he heard between Casey and CA in May or June, both on weekends. According to JC:

JC: Casey came out of the house, screaming at CA and calling her names. I heard "F-you," and "Just Shut Up Mom," and "I Don't Want to Hear it Anymore." Then Casey went for a jog.

JC: Another time, Casey came outside screaming some stuff at CA. CA never raised her voice, just put her head down and got in her car and drove away. Casey just acted like a spoiled brat basically.

On Part 4 of the latest document releases, page 49, "Mark Fuhrman also reported that GA and CA explained that CA and Casey had an argument on the 15th or 16th of June.

Cindy's brother stated on a blog, "The fight was about Casey stealing money from her grandparents. She stole a check for $354 from her granddad's nursing home account that even Cindy's mom couldn't cash. The bank had to reimburse Cindy's dad's account. Cindy's mom wanted the bank to press charges but Cindy somehow got Casey out of it. That is what the fight was about. They had jsut visited Cindy's dad on fathers day. Cindy's mom was very unhappy with Cindy for not doing something about Casey. Cindy and Casey got into it. Big blowup that the neighbors overheard.

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Anthony%20pgs%202901-2950%20f.pdf

There was a video on You Tube with Mark Furhman and Greta where he states that there was NO argument between Casey and Cindy...per Cindy...so which is it Mark??? Did she tell you there was one or not???

Trying to find the video.

[desmom]

That is what I did as a homicide prosecutor. The defendant is entitled to know such vital fingerprint information immediately, no matter how I got it or what it said.
As soon as I received the written report I sent it over.

It is a matter of honor among trial lawyers to deal fairly with each other to insure a fair trial.

Both sides are sadly lacking here.

~This is my opinion based upon evidence of conduct in public by both sides.


but, but http://www.countyjudges.com/articles/96discov.htm#VI.%20DEFENDANT%27S%20MANDATORY%20PAR TICIPATION%20IN%20DISCOVERY

XIV. Constructive Knowledge of Law Enforcement Agencies "B" says, None of the rules of criminal procedure relating to discovery require the state to disclose information which is not with in the state's actual or constructive possession.

XXV. Oral Statements says, An expert's oral statements are not discoverable.

[ish]

Bedazzled, and Mark Fuhrman probably only had to "flirt" just a little with her.

poor guy, I wonder if he threw up a little in his mouth...:rolleyes:

[Scampi]

but, but http://www.countyjudges.com/articles/96discov.htm#VI.%20DEFENDANT%27S%20MANDATORY%20PAR TICIPATION%20IN%20DISCOVERY

XIV. Constructive Knowledge of Law Enforcement Agencies "B" says, None of the rules of criminal procedure relating to discovery require the state to disclose information which is not with in the state's actual or constructive possession.

XXV. Oral Statements says, An expert's oral statements are not discoverable.

IMO, this is an excellent rule, can you imagine the distortions that would be made by someone of baez's caliber? It's bad enough how he attempt to mischaracterize written motions, imo.

BTW, if this prosecution was doing anything unethical or unlawful does anyone serisouly believe Lyon and Baden would be shy about informing the court? I don't.

So unless and until I see some evidence that this prosecution is doing anything wrong, I have complete confidence that they are acting in good faith.

[Sun]

That is what I did as a homicide prosecutor. The defendant is entitled to know such vital fingerprint information immediately, no matter how I got it or what it said.
As soon as I received the written report I sent it over.

It is a matter of honor among trial lawyers to deal fairly with each other to insure a fair trial.

Both sides are sadly lacking here.

It is surprising to me that I get such negative responses to my questions about refusal to release reports.

What if the duct tape revealed the prints of the defendant? I am interested in that information in looking for justice for Caylee why not you?

~This is my opinion based upon evidence of conduct in public by both sides.

First, from what I have seen, there is not an honorable bone in Baez's body. He has no respect for the court, as is shown by his past history. Would you like me to reprint those findings?

You didn't answer my earlier question to you. Is Baez legally able to depose any witness on the State's Witness List? If so, then why hasn't Baez deposed any of the FBI folks that are listed on that list?

Is Baez too cheap to spend the money? Is Baez too lazy? Is Baez too ignorant? Or would Baez rather sit back and just whine?

[ish]

every time I read about someone taking 1st chair in this case, I envision Baez and AL race walking into the the court trying to grab the "1st" chair, and one of them ends up on the floor. Cracks me up!!:laugh:

[Sun]

IMO, this is an excellent rule, can you imagine the distortions that would be made by someone of baez's caliber? It's bad enough how he attempt to mischaracterize written motions, imo.

BTW, if this prosecution was doing anything unethical or unlawful does anyone serisouly believe Lyon and Baden would be shy about informing the court? I don't.

So unless and until I see some evidence that this prosecution is doing anything wrong, I have complete confidence that they are acting in good faith.

You have hit that nail right smack on the head! When I think of the volumns of paper that this case has generated and the great number of hours of work by everyone, it is sad. Sad that the expense will fall to the taxpayers of Florida and to Orlando.

[8BellesFan]

every time I read about someone taking 1st chair in this case, I envision Baez and AL race walking into the the court trying to grab the "1st" chair, and one of them ends up on the floor. Cracks me up!!:laugh:


to the tune of pop goes the weasle

[Sun]

One year ago today...June 15, 2008 – Father’s Day

Cindy and Caylee visit Great-Grandpa at the nursing home. Caylee and Great-Grandpa Plesea
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T613YgLw_HE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS648U0xTI0

Cindy and Caylee visit Great-Grandma Plesea and have chili for dinner. Caylee had a PBJ.
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1643165/Plesea-Shirley---Statement

Rumors of huge fight between Casey and Cindy.

Text messages between Casey and Amy: http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1772101/AH-and-KC-Text-Messages

Amy to Casey: So I'm gonna job hunt tom wee

Casey to Amy 06/15 8:15 p.m.: Good stuff love!

Amy to Casey: I think I have cramps for the first time in 3 years. This sucks! I forgot how much it hurts.

Amy to Casey: So I'm not feeling good so I'm just going to crash at the boys. I’ll call in the morning.

I remember this well, and how it conflicted with Cindy making chili on August 11th and saying that chili was one of Caylee's favorite foods. Seems to me that Chili may have been a favorite food of Cindy's.

[8BellesFan]

I remember this well, and how it conflicted with Cindy making chili on August 11th and saying that chili was one of Caylee's favorite foods.

and now you know where Casey got her habit of taking one grain of truth about something and creating a whole new story line from it that makes no sense whatsoever

[Grins]

First, from what I have seen, there is not an honorable bone in Baez's body. He has no respect for the court, as is shown by his past history. Would you like me to reprint those findings?

You didn't answer my earlier question to you. Is Baez legally able to depose any witness on the State's Witness List? If so, then why hasn't Baez deposed any of the FBI folks that are listed on that list?

Is Baez too cheap to spend the money? Is Baez too lazy? Is Baez too ignorant? Or would Baez rather sit back and just whine?Defense can depose some on the list but not all.

"E. Category A - The defendant my depose, without prior court approval:

... 7. Expert witnesses who have not provided a written report and a curriculum vitae or who are going to testify to test results or give opinions that will have to meet the "Frye Test."

So some defense lawyer should do it soon!
http://www.countyjudges.com/articles/96discov.htm#IX.%20CONTINUING%20DUTY%20TO%20DISCLO SE

[Rapunzel]

Here is the quote from Mark Furhman on Greta...

FUHRMAN: No. Exactly the opposite. In fact, I asked Cindy Anthony and George if there was a fight that they had with Casey that weekend or any time close to the time when she took Caylee and left, and they absolutely said not. And that seems to be, you know, a direct conflict with a neighbor who on that weekend said that there was, you know, an argument.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right, Mark. Thank you.

[8BellesFan]

early in the case someone posted the police calls to the Anthony home. there were many of them, like ten or so in the couple of years leading up to this. I have no link and have no idea how to google this info.

[Grins]

but, but http://www.countyjudges.com/articles/96discov.htm#VI.%20DEFENDANT%27S%20MANDATORY%20PAR TICIPATION%20IN%20DISCOVERY

XIV. Constructive Knowledge of Law Enforcement Agencies "B" says, None of the rules of criminal procedure relating to discovery require the state to disclose information which is not with in the state's actual or constructive possession.

XXV. Oral Statements says, An expert's oral statements are not discoverable.So you are not interested in whether or not defendant's prints are on the duct tape?

[breezie]

Defense can depose some on the list but not all.

"E. Category A - The defendant my depose, without prior court approval:

... 7. Expert witnesses who have not provided a written report and a curriculum vitae or who are going to testify to test results or give opinions that will have to meet the "Frye Test."

So some defense lawyer should do it soon!
http://www.countyjudges.com/articles/96discov.htm#IX.%20CONTINUING%20DUTY%20TO%20DISCLO SE

Maybe you should send that request to Baez. He's too concerned with the video that won't be in evidence. :wink:

[grammie/va]

I hope many will watch this video and allow its words to sink into their hearts. :crying:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co8sx5O6SsM&feature=player_embedded

WOW what a heart wrenching video, very hard to watch, but when you read the words they are so true. I just don't understand the grandparents not choosing to stand up for Caylee and demand justice for her.

As a grandparent to a precious 18 month old little boy I am so glad that they are no where near the mold used to make grandparents.

So sad!!!

[kOOkie1]

You have hit that nail right smack on the head! When I think of the volumns of paper that this case has generated and the great number of hours of work by everyone, it is sad. Sad that the expense will fall to the taxpayers of Florida and to Orlando.

So true Sun.. I was thinking how grateful I am that Florida has the "Sunshine Law". So much information we get to read and hear about.. unlike most cases where we know so little.
Im glad that Casey could not hide the lies of her ways..it must torment her knowing people know so much. Guess thats why I dont get the A's..they expect everyone to believe that everyone else is lying :confused:
Poor Caylee..a yr ago Today was her last Day of life:(
a beautiful..innocent child sacrificed for 31 days of freedom.
I hope Casey is having flashbacks today and nightmares tonight:closedeyes:

[Scampi]

So true Sun.. I was thinking how grateful I am that Florida has the "Sunshine Law". So much information we get to read and hear about.. unlike most cases where we know so little.
Im glad that Casey could not hide the lies of her ways..it must torment her knowing people know so much. Guess thats why I dont get the A's..they expect everyone to believe that everyone else is lying :confused:
Poor Caylee..a yr ago Today was her last Day of life:(
a beautiful..innocent child sacrificed for 31 days of freedom.
I hope Casey is having flashbacks today and nightmares tonight:closedeyes:

I would imagine the odious creature will be observed and evaluated very closely today and tomorrow.

[Sun]

Originally Posted by Sun
I remember this well, and how it conflicted with Cindy making chili on August 11th and saying that chili was one of Caylee's favorite foods.

and now you know where Casey got her habit of taking one grain of truth about something and creating a whole new story line from it that makes no sense whatsoever

It seems to me that Cindy made "one of her favorite foods" on August 11th, but told the public that it was one of Caylee's favorite foods. ....this is a very scary trend of Cindy's. Kind of like the stories that she told to LE where she said that "Casey is a lot like me."

I would like to know if Cindy and George are going to see a professional counselor.

[ellegna]

I hope many will watch this video and allow its words to sink into their hearts. :crying:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co8sx5O6SsM&feature=player_embedded

Wow oh Wow. That was so beautiful. :crying:

[Sun]

I would imagine the odious creature will be observed and evaluated very closely today and tomorrow.

chuckles.... yes. I would imagine that she very much lives with the feeling that someone is always spying on her.

[Rapunzel]

Wow oh Wow. That was so beautiful. :crying:


Yes, have watched that before...very beautiful tribute!!!

[ellegna]

I would imagine the odious creature will be observed and evaluated very closely today and tomorrow.

If Casey displays any emotion or strange behavior, IMO it will be staged. She has not been able to show sincere maternal grief for Caylee for the last 364 days. Why should day 365 be any different?

[desmom]

GM, Here are Casey's Cell Phone Pings. http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=p6Pnw95vqOo-MgZ7Vsp9pYg&gid=7

Thank you. I was looking for this earlier and couldn't find it.

I can't make heads or tails of it, but thanks.

[Sun]

So true Sun.. I was thinking how grateful I am that Florida has the "Sunshine Law". So much information we get to read and hear about.. unlike most cases where we know so little.
Im glad that Casey could not hide the lies of her ways..it must torment her knowing people know so much. Guess thats why I dont get the A's..they expect everyone to believe that everyone else is lying :confused:
Poor Caylee..a yr ago Today was her last Day of life:(
a beautiful..innocent child sacrificed for 31 days of freedom.
I hope Casey is having flashbacks today and nightmares tonight:closedeyes:

The Sunshine Law, along with the internet makes it a wonderful way to educate people who might have no clue about laws. I am so surprised at how much I have been able to learn, just by others on this message board, etc. It is a glimpse into the judical system.

[Sun]

Thank you. I was looking for this earlier and couldn't find it.

I can't make heads or tails of it, but thanks.

Possibly someone will come along later today, and explain the Cell Phone pings to us. I know that some have extensively researched this day, and probably already have a good writeup of it. In english. LOL

[desmom]

early in the case someone posted the police calls to the Anthony home. there were many of them, like ten or so in the couple of years leading up to this. I have no link and have no idea how to google this info.

It was posted on the OCSO updates page http://www.ocso.com/Default.aspx?tabid=547 under Public Records Request. Scroll down to "Calls for service summary" posted on 8/27.

[Grins]

Where are the other important reports?

=toxicologist [on hold]
=entomologist
=botanist
=forensic anthropologist

=expert reports of all agencies as to the results of tests on all items from the home and garage search as compared with the evidence discovered at the scene

=list of items of circumstantial evidence, along with exam of the remains, supporting the Medical Examiner's opinion of homicide

=report as to why ME cannot give an opinion about 'cause of death'

=reports of opinions and the bases for same, as to time of death and time of placement of the bag where found and identity of persons who deposited the bag

=report establishing the murder happened in Orange County to satisfy the jurisdiction requirement to try the case

=reports of any prints found on other items at the scene

=inventory and detailed description of the contents of the bag and all tests thereon other than the remains of dear Caylee

=reports of bag and expert duct tape comparisons with such in the A home at any time.

=reports of specific evidence found at the scene which formed a basis for new search warrants at the A home

=reports of any cadaver dog activity at the scene on August 12 or any other time

=evidence of pings and whereabouts of defendant at the times computer searches were done for shovel, chloroform, neck breaking etc and the expert report regarding whether the brief amount of time spent on such searches is sufficient to find them credible or indicate planted material.

=critical statements of material witnesses, which have been asked about here, but not yet released even though taken many months ago

=all evidence gathered since January 2009.

Where is the Sunshine Act?

[Dunlurken]

I hope many will watch this video and allow its words to sink into their hearts. :crying:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co8sx5O6SsM&feature=player_embedded

Thank you for posting this. I agree, it's very hard to watch. As my grand daughter sat quietly coloring the other day she started singing "You are my Sunshine". Naturally, I thought of little Caylee.

RIP Little One. Justice Will be found.

:rose:

[kOOkie1]

If Casey displays any emotion or strange behavior, IMO it will be staged. She has not been able to show sincere maternal grief for Caylee for the last 364 days. Why should day 365 be any different?

It's just so difficult to imagine someone being able to murder and NOT have some kind of mental reaction at some point, isnt it??? and cant even go there where its a Mother murdering her Child.
Casey's constant rubbing of her hands always freaks me out a little watching her in court..I think it is deeper than a nervous lil tick myself. scarey..actually.

[desmom]

So you are not interested in whether or not defendant's prints are on the duct tape?

Grins are you twisting :tonguewag:

I was responding to your post regarding oral reports being forwarded to the defense. From what I read http://www.countyjudges.com/articles/96discov.htm#VI.%20DEFENDANT%27S%20MANDATORY%20PAR TICIPATION%20IN%20DISCOVERY there are no rules of criminal procedure requiring the state to disclose evidence if the state does not have actual possession of the report. Also, an oral statement is not part of discovery.

And for the record, I think everyone that follows this case is interested if the Casey's fingerprints are on the duct tape.

jmo

[Dunlurken]

I'm curious where Casey went the night of the 15th. I think that's the night the fight happened and the date of Caylee's demise. After midnight though and George lied about seeing them on the morning of the 16th.

Is there any cell phone activity the night of the 15th to indicate her whereabouts? TIA.

[Scampi]

Where are the other important reports?

=toxicologist [on hold]
=entomologist
=botanist
=forensic anthropologist

=expert reports of all agencies as to the results of tests on all items from the home and garage search as compared with the evidence discovered at the scene

=list of items of circumstantial evidence, along with exam of the remains, supporting the Medical Examiner's opinion of homicide

=report as to why ME cannot give an opinion about 'cause of death'

=reports of opinions and the bases for same, as to time of death and time of placement of the bag where found and identity of persons who deposited the bag

=report establishing the murder happened in Orange County to satisfy the jurisdiction requirement to try the case

=reports of any prints found on other items at the scene

=inventory and detailed description of the contents of the bag and all tests thereon other than the remains of dear Caylee

=reports of bag and expert duct tape comparisons with such in the A home at any time.

=reports of specific evidence found at the scene which formed a basis for new search warrants at the A home

=reports of any cadaver dog activity at the scene on August 12 or any other time

=evidence of pings and whereabouts of defendant at the times computer searches were done for shovel, chloroform, neck breaking etc and the expert report regarding whether the brief amount of time spent on such searches is sufficient to find them credible or indicate planted material.

=critical statements of material witnesses, which have been asked about here, but not yet released even though taken many months ago

=all evidence gathered since January 2009.

Where is the Sunshine Act?

Perhaps there is some cloud cover down there in Florida? :smile:


Seriously tho Grinnie. IF the DA is not abiding by the laws in turning over discovery, why do you think Lyon, Baden or Baez hasn't filed a motion about it, alerting the Court to this grave miscarriage of justice?

[Sun]

It's just so difficult to imagine someone being able to murder and NOT have some kind of mental reaction at some point, isnt it??? and cant even go there where its a Mother murdering her Child.
Casey's constant rubbing of her hands always freaks me out a little watching her in court..I think it is deeper than a nervous lil tick myself. scarey..actually.

Yes, I think so too. Casey seems to try very, very hard to hide her emotional state from others. IMO, she is not so good at that. LOL

[Dunlurken]

Grins are you twisting :tonguewag:

I was responding to your post regarding oral reports being forwarded to the defense. From what I read http://www.countyjudges.com/articles/96discov.htm#VI.%20DEFENDANT%27S%20MANDATORY%20PAR TICIPATION%20IN%20DISCOVERY there are no rules of criminal procedure requiring the state to disclose evidence if the state does not have actual possession of the report. Also, an oral statement is not part of discovery.

And for the record, I think everyone that follows this case is interested if the Casey's fingerprints are on the duct tape.

jmoI don't think Casey's fingerprints are on the duct tape or else we would have heard. We've heard everything else. JMO.

[tomsgirl]

I would imagine the odious creature will be observed and evaluated very closely today and tomorrow.

She will probably use this as an excuse to try and TOTALLY convince anyone watching her that she is nuts!! I'm convinced already, but that is just me. Not only nuts but EVIL! jmo:angry:

[Dunlurken]

She will probably use this as an excuse to try and TOTALLY convince anyone watching her that she is nuts!! I'm convinced already, but that is just me. Not only nuts but EVIL! jmo:angry:

If she's nuts, they should have gone for the insanity defense. JMO.

[trich]

[QUOTE=kOOkie1;13194169]It's just so difficult to imagine someone being able to murder and NOT have some kind of mental reaction at some point, isnt it??? and cant even go there where its a Mother murdering her Child.
QUOTE]




I agree and that is the only reason I believe some may hang on to the idea that Casey might be innocent....no one wants to believe a mother could kill her own child and not show some remorse.
But the fact is there is pure EVIL in this world and Casey is the epitomy of that EVIL. IMO
No one should be naive enough to think otherwise.

[tomsgirl]

Yeah, unfortunally for her, it's a little too late to pull that trick out of the bag, but you know she is going to try everything she can think of to get her a$$ out of this little spot of trouble(being sarcastic). I sincerely hope that she sees images of little Caylee's face everytime she closes her eyes. jmo:angry: still angry!!

[Sun]

Cindy and Caylee traveled to see Caylee's Great-Grampa "a year ago today." Caylee also got to see her Great-Gramma on that same day, "a year ago today."

Cindy "said" that Caylee also played in the pool that day, "a year ago today."

Not a single word from Casey about what she did with Caylee that day, "a year ago today."

Not a single word from George about what he did with Caylee that day, "a year ago today."

[desmom]

Perhaps there is some cloud cover down there in Florida? :smile:


Seriously tho Grinnie. IF the DA is not abiding by the laws in turning over discovery, why do you think Lyon, Baden or Baez hasn't filed a motion about it, alerting the Court to this grave miscarriage of justice?

IMO, because many of the things Grins questioned we have seen in doc dumps. i.e. botanist report, FBI reports, the cell phone pings.....

[Rapunzel]

Grins are you twisting :tonguewag:

I was responding to your post regarding oral reports being forwarded to the defense. From what I read http://www.countyjudges.com/articles/96discov.htm#VI.%20DEFENDANT%27S%20MANDATORY%20PAR TICIPATION%20IN%20DISCOVERY there are no rules of criminal procedure requiring the state to disclose evidence if the state does not have actual possession of the report. Also, an oral statement is not part of discovery.

And for the record, I think everyone that follows this case is interested if the Casey's fingerprints are on the duct tape.

jmo

Always wondered if they did that super glue test on the duct tape and the bags like they do on Forensic Files???

[sammy62]

It seems to me that Cindy made "one of her favorite foods" on August 11th, but told the public that it was one of Caylee's favorite foods. ....this is a very scary trend of Cindy's. Kind of like the stories that she told to LE where she said that "Casey is a lot like me."

I would like to know if Cindy and George are going to see a professional counselor.

Cindy's mother said: "I made chili....I didn't think she would like chili, but she ate some....I made her a peanut butter sandwich" this is my typing from a video.

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedfiles/audio/DS300005.WMA

[Rapunzel]

It's just so difficult to imagine someone being able to murder and NOT have some kind of mental reaction at some point, isnt it??? and cant even go there where its a Mother murdering her Child.
Casey's constant rubbing of her hands always freaks me out a little watching her in court..I think it is deeper than a nervous lil tick myself. scarey..actually.


Her palms itch...doesn't that mean you are about to come into some money...per old wives tale??? Maybe that's what she's hoping for...yes, I agree it is strange. Look at all her mannerisms on the arrest video...GEZZZZ...sit still for God's sake...Cindy does the same thing...always preening...stroking hair...etc. Lee's laughs at everything very inappropriately...They are a kooky bunch...and look at some of George's mannerisms...the eyebrows...shoulder shrugs...eye movements...and that stupid monkey grin he has...God help me!!!

[Grins]

Perhaps there is some cloud cover down there in Florida? :smile:


Seriously tho Grinnie. IF the DA is not abiding by the laws in turning over discovery, why do you think Lyon, Baden or Baez hasn't filed a motion about it, alerting the Court to this grave miscarriage of justice?All prior complaints have been rejected. However they should file for every violation unless it is a strategy to see how long SA holds discovery and then use it as an appeal issue.
If it is held too long the court can forbid its use at trial.

I hope that any animosities among lawyers will not result in reversal of a conviction.

[Grins]

Grins are you twisting :tonguewag:

I was responding to your post regarding oral reports being forwarded to the defense. From what I read http://www.countyjudges.com/articles/96discov.htm#VI.%20DEFENDANT%27S%20MANDATORY%20PAR TICIPATION%20IN%20DISCOVERY there are no rules of criminal procedure requiring the state to disclose evidence if the state does not have actual possession of the report. Also, an oral statement is not part of discovery.

And for the record, I think everyone that follows this case is interested if the Casey's fingerprints are on the duct tape.

jmo
I rest my case.

[breezie]

I rest my case.

IF only... have any thoughts on the poor murdered baby in this case?

[Sun]

Cindy's mother said: "I made chili....I didn't think she would like chili, but she ate some....I made her a peanut butter sandwich" this is my typing from a video.

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedfiles/audio/DS300005.WMA

Thanks so much for this exact accounting. My memory sometimes fails me when it comes to the exact details. ...almost seems like she didn't eat much of the chili, thus the reason for making the PB sandwich. But really doesn't say exactly that either.

[Myka]

Martha Moxley

The book is "Murder in Greenwich".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Fuhrman

....he investigated the then-unsolved 1975 murder of Martha Moxley and presented his theory that the murderer was Michael Skakel, nephew of Ethel Kennedy, the widow of Senator Robert Kennedy, which helped to re-open the case. Skakel was subsequently convicted of murder in June 2002.


Thanks Des!!!

[ish]

All prior complaints have been rejected. However they should file for every violation unless it is a strategy to see how long SA holds discovery and then use it as an appeal issue.
If it is held too long the court can forbid its use at trial.

I hope that any animosities among lawyers will not result in reversal of a conviction.

Baez is a cry baby, if he wasn't getting his discovery he'd be pissing and moaning about it all over Geraldo. Complaining that "his girl" was being railroaded.

[KittyMom]

Thanks so much for this exact accounting. My memory sometimes fails me when it comes to the exact details. ...almost seems like she didn't eat much of the chili, thus the reason for making the PB sandwich. But really doesn't say exactly that either.

I've got three kids...at that age, all of them perferred pb&j over chili. I can't image any child that young who's aquired a taste for chili.

[Katprint]

Always wondered if they did that super glue test on the duct tape and the bags like they do on Forensic Files???
I'm thinking the FBI Latent Print lab has new technologies far surpassing the old super glue vapor test. There has been some spectacular progress in the field of seeing the unseeable, particularly the use of nonvisible wavelengths - i.e. infared and ultraviolet - and filters for multi-spectral imaging (some of which is described here http://www.et.byu.edu/news_imaging.htm ) and computer graphic enhancement and analysis. But these things may take time, and may not be all happening under the same roof.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[ish]

Thanks so much for this exact accounting. My memory sometimes fails me when it comes to the exact details. ...almost seems like she didn't eat much of the chili, thus the reason for making the PB sandwich. But really doesn't say exactly that either.

I got the impression she had the PB sandwich ready, anticipating Caylee not eating the chili and then was surprised that she did indeed eat some.

[Scampi]

All prior complaints have been rejected. However they should file for every violation unless it is a strategy to see how long SA holds discovery and then use it as an appeal issue.
If it is held too long the court can forbid its use at trial.

I hope that any animosities among lawyers will not result in reversal of a conviction.

Grinnie, in your 30 plus years of experience, have you ever seen such a thing?

I would think if any appellate issue is successful a new trial would be ordered and certainly not a complete reversal. imo.

BTW, all complaints have been rejected because they had no foundation in fact, imo.

[Sun]

I've got three kids...at that age, all of them perferred pb&j over chili. I can't image any child that young who's aquired a taste for chili.

chuckles... You are so right! I just would find it so hard to believe that chili would ever be a "favorite food" of any child of that age.

[8BellesFan]

Cindy and Caylee traveled to see Caylee's Great-Grampa "a year ago today." Caylee also got to see her Great-Gramma on that same day, "a year ago today."

Cindy "said" that Caylee also played in the pool that day, "a year ago today."

Not a single word from Casey about what she did with Caylee that day, "a year ago today."

Not a single word from George about what he did with Caylee that day, "a year ago today."

George's job is to remember outfits of the day.:sneaky:

[8BellesFan]

chuckles... You are so right! I just would find it so hard to believe that chili would ever be a "favorite food" of any child of that age.

the closest thing to chili my kid ate at not quite 3 was spagettios

[ish]

chuckles... You are so right! I just would find it so hard to believe that chili would ever be a "favorite food" of any child of that age.

I'm guessing its a favorite of the Anthony family (adults) perhaps thru Cindy learning to make it from her Mom. I'll bet it was a fav of Casey and that Cindy made it for the AUgust 11 get together as a passive aggressive dig at Casey. COnsidering Casey's reaction, I'd say Mom succeeded in getting under her skin.

[Dunlurken]

All prior complaints have been rejected. However they should file for every violation unless it is a strategy to see how long SA holds discovery and then use it as an appeal issue.
If it is held too long the court can forbid its use at trial.

I hope that any animosities among lawyers will not result in reversal of a conviction.

That's some scarey stuff to think about, isn't it? The lawyers are screwing up big time..... all of them. JMO. I've said from day one that ineffective counsel (could be doing it on purpose) will set her free. JMO.

[desmom]

Remember the other day on NG they were talking about Casey laying the base for an insanity defense because of her yelling Caylee's name in her sleep and her "erratic" behavior?

How will this play into that defense? http://www.wftv.com/blank/18901013/detail.html - dated March 10, 2009 and in Casey's own handwriting:

7. I believe that Mr. Ashton is angry because I have refused to take a plea agreement for a crime that I DID NOT commit.

Is she not declaring she is innocent with that statement? Wouldn't an insanity defense be admitting she did kill Caylee?

:shrug:

[Sun]

Throughout the months, I have at times wondered why the Anthonys and Casey aren't trying to use the jail video visitations to their advantage. It they know these are likely to become public, why wouldn't they be attempting to get the public to sympathize with Casey? If Casey is innocent of the crimes that she is facing, then what could they possibly release to the public that would hurt her? If Casey is innocent, then why would she not want to use the jail visitation videos to her advantage?

Of course if Casey is guilty, then perhaps she doesn't believe that she could do a good enough job of "acting" to fool the public.

[Grins]

Grinnie, in your 30 plus years of experience, have you ever seen such a thing?

I would think if any appellate issue is successful a new trial would be ordered and certainly not a complete reversal. imo.

BTW, all complaints have been rejected because they had no foundation in fact, imo.Oh yes, many times animosity among counsel has caused reversals and at times reversal with prejudice forbidding any further retrial of a murder defendant.
Example is Com PA v Jay Smith, "..The Court held that prosecutorial
misconduct barred Smith's retrial under the double
jeopardy clause of the Pennsylvania Constitution, and the
Court ordered Smith's discharge. Commonwealth v. Smith,
615 A.2d 321 (Pa. 1992). In doing so the Court stated:

It is a gross understatement to conclude, as stated by
the trial court and Superior Court that "neither the
Attorney General's Office nor the Pennsylvania State
Police can take any great pride in the manner in which
this case was handled during the trial and on appeal."
Deliberate failure to disclose material exculpatory
physical evidence during a capital trial, intentional
suppression of the evidence while arguing in favor of
the death sentence on direct appeal, and the
investigation of Corporal Balshy's role in the
production of the evidence rather than its own role in
the suppression of evidence constitute prosecutorial
misconduct such as violates all principles of justice
and fairness embodied in the Pennsylvania
Constitution's double jeopardy clause.

Id. at 324 (citation omitted).

Smith was released from prison on September 18, 1992..."

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=3rd&navby=case&no=997046

In this case, as in most cases, if a conviction is reversed there will be a retrial.

[sammy62]

Thanks so much for this exact accounting. My memory sometimes fails me when it comes to the exact details. ...almost seems like she didn't eat much of the chili, thus the reason for making the PB sandwich. But really doesn't say exactly that either.

no...but certainly doesn't make it her "favorite" food ...per cindy.

[Lapis]

but, but http://www.countyjudges.com/articles/96discov.htm#VI.%20DEFENDANT%27S%20MANDATORY%20PAR TICIPATION%20IN%20DISCOVERY

XIV. Constructive Knowledge of Law Enforcement Agencies "B" says, None of the rules of criminal procedure relating to discovery require the state to disclose information which is not with in the state's actual or constructive possession.

XXV. Oral Statements says, An expert's oral statements are not discoverable.

I know I am very far behind. If the FBI made a telephone call to the state with information then the information is within the actual knowledge of the prosecution. Additionally, I beleive the 'oral statements" refer to conversations between the state and the expert. However, if the state intends to use the information at trial, they better reveal it. If it is exculpatory and they do not reveal it to the defense, I can't see them hiding behind this rule. JMO

[Snoopy50]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dngYDg6rAo0&feature=related

Good morning,

I woke up feeling so sad.....hard to believe it's been a year. Hoping this link works, the last two slides are very comforting. Thinking of all of you today...

[desmom]

Casey Anthony case: Caylee last seen by grandmother a year ago today
Last video of Casey Anthony's daughter, Caylee Marie, was captured a year ago today.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-anniversary-061509,0,6260536.story

[Sun]

Remember the other day on NG they were talking about Casey laying the base for an insanity defense because of her yelling Caylee's name in her sleep and her "erratic" behavior?

How will this play into that defense? http://www.wftv.com/blank/18901013/detail.html - dated March 10, 2009 and in Casey's own handwriting:

7. I believe that Mr. Ashton is angry because I have refused to take a plea agreement for a crime that I DID NOT commit.

Is she not declaring she is innocent with that statement? Wouldn't an insanity defense be admitting she did kill Caylee?

:shrug:

Yes, that statement sure is saying that she/Baez is saying that she is innocent. IMO, it is also an "outburst" and shows that Casey seems to be thinking that Mr. Ashton is in some way being "UNFAIR" to Casey. LOL The fact that Baez signed and submitted this document to the court does tend to show their position.

If Casey is found Guilty, then the trial moves on to the Death Penalty phase. IMO, this is where the defense may argue the dysfunctionalty of the familiy environment in which Casey lived. Just to save her from getting the needle. Lyon has no intentions of losing during this part of the trial, and probably wouldn't have signed on to the case if she thought that she couldn't be successful at saving the life of Casey.

[Imperfect4]

Morning everyone

so hard to believe it has been almost a year..A Promise to Caylee seems strangers care more than her own family..she is truly AMERICAS ANGEL.:rose:

http://www.respectance.com/apromisetocaylee/

Thanks for the link, apm. I've posted it a couple times from youtube.

It's wonderfully written, and very well done, imo.

[desmom]

Caylee Anthony last seen 1 year ago today
http://www.cbs12.com/news/casey-4718716-anthony-caylee.html

[KatieLady]

Casey Anthony case: Caylee last seen by grandmother a year ago today
Last video of Casey Anthony's daughter, Caylee Marie, was captured a year ago today.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-anniversary-061509,0,6260536.story

Just so sad....Gone too soon :sad:

[aproudmom]

I wanted to put this on here it was a poem Nevaeh's uncle read at her funeral this weekend for all murdered children I know all these little angels are up there playing on Heavens Playground together so wanted to share it on Caylee's thread also

No Fear In Heaven
“Horrific as our life now seems, one thing remains quite true,
Our little ones have now been freed to do things angels do.
They can't recall the horrors of those last days they were here,
They remember not the terror, the hurt, nor the fear.
There is no fear in Heaven. No more sorrow, only Joy.
It's filled with joyous laughter from each little girl and boy.”:rose:

[Grins]

I know I am very far behind. If the FBI made a telephone call to the state with information then the information is within the actual knowledge of the prosecution. Additionally, I beleive the 'oral statements" refer to conversations between the state and the expert. However, if the state intends to use the information at trial, they better reveal it. If it is exculpatory and they do not reveal it to the defense, I can't see them hiding behind this rule. JMOHi Lapis my friend. :thumbsup:
Thank you for your opinion. The courts, as we know as trial lawyers, are especially vigilant concerning exculpatory [favorable to the defendant] evidence and any hint of withholding of same by the prosecution.

[aproudmom]

Caylee Anthony last seen 1 year ago today
http://www.cbs12.com/news/casey-4718716-anthony-caylee.html

:crying:RIP SWEET CAYLEE

[ish]

Throughout the months, I have at times wondered why the Anthonys and Casey aren't trying to use the jail video visitations to their advantage. It they know these are likely to become public, why wouldn't they be attempting to get the public to sympathize with Casey? If Casey is innocent of the crimes that she is facing, then what could they possibly release to the public that would hurt her? If Casey is innocent, then why would she not want to use the jail visitation videos to her advantage?

Of course if Casey is guilty, then perhaps she doesn't believe that she could do a good enough job of "acting" to fool the public.

my best guess on this is that Baez has "recommended" and Casey is more than happy to not have the folks visiting. There is no way on this earth Cindy will be able to keep her mouth shut. She will persist in asking or commenting on things. I believe that Cindy is desperate to know exactly what happened to Caylee, if for no other reason, she wants to know it is not her fault. I think if she were sure no blame would be attributed to her ( for poor parenting etc.) she would gladly see Casey spend the rest of her life in jail for Caylee's murder. Cindy would then be able to continue her public portrayal of herself as a victim and champion of "missing" children. I don't think she will ever align herself with murdered chldren.

[Unleashed]

Good afternoon, everybody. :seeya:

On Saturday, a poster mentioned that Kronk used to be a bounty hunter. I googled it, no confirmation.
Has anyone ever confirmed this?

TIA


JMO

[Katprint]

I know I am very far behind. If the FBI made a telephone call to the state with information then the information is within the actual knowledge of the prosecution. Additionally, I beleive the 'oral statements" refer to conversations between the state and the expert. However, if the state intends to use the information at trial, they better reveal it. If it is exculpatory and they do not reveal it to the defense, I can't see them hiding behind this rule. JMO
I think these snippets are in the context of the 15-day deadline for disclosure. I completely agree with you that a trial court's local rules concerning criminal procedure cannot eliminate the prosecution's ethical obligations imposed by the U.S. Supreme Court's interpretation of the U.S. Constitution.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Grins]

Caylee Love

Caylee you brought love into lives
still do as you enjoy
eternal happiness
free of any knowledge of
how you got there
you can just enjoy the wonders
feel our love our care
it seems we know
you

Security in the arms of God who said
Let the little children come to me
no fears no tears no cares for
you
sweet Caylee

we may weep
as we remember you
so help us through
keep our hearts in yours
until we meet one day
and say
Hi Caylee!
And you say, I know
you!

Then we shall all
go together
and play~

Love, Grins
and us

[court~critic1®]

Rest in a peacefull sleep sweet Caylee :rose::rose:



I seldom post, but today I needed to post a rose for an innocent life taken from her way to soon. An extra one for all the other babies and young ones that died before their time, by someones hands, or accidents, or by any other way. they are singing in Gods choir.

safe one all!

[aproudmom]

Throughout the months, I have at times wondered why the Anthonys and Casey aren't trying to use the jail video visitations to their advantage. It they know these are likely to become public, why wouldn't they be attempting to get the public to sympathize with Casey? If Casey is innocent of the crimes that she is facing, then what could they possibly release to the public that would hurt her? If Casey is innocent, then why would she not want to use the jail visitation videos to her advantage?

Of course if Casey is guilty, then perhaps she doesn't believe that she could do a good enough job of "acting" to fool the public.

IMO She has no desire to look them in the face they know what she did and she cant find any Glasses to put on in the commissary to hide her lying eyes..so I can not wait till mommy dearest gets to visit her in prison maybe they will have a actual visit without glass between them so maybe Monster Mom will get another chocking from her mommy dearest.....JMO

[desmom]

Grins, here are some the things you asked about in your post earlier today:

=botanist: David Hall, Botanist – page 9 http://www.momlogic.com/cdn/v3/pdf/casey_anthony_docs/redacted_statements.pdf

=list of items of circumstantial evidence, along with exam of the remains, supporting the Medical Examiner's opinion of homicide:

Release Of Anthony Autopsy Results Blocked
http://www.wesh.com/news/19733319/detail.html

=report as to why ME cannot give an opinion about 'cause of death'
=reports of opinions and the bases for same, as to time of death and time of placement of the bag where found

http://www.wesh.com/news/19728108/detail.html
Garavaglia reported in December that the toddler's death was a homicide of unknown origin. However, she added that she included a summary in her 30-page report that draws some conclusions about what happened to Caylee based on tests and other evidence gathered since she made her initial findings.

=reports of bag and expert duct tape comparisons with such in the A home at any time.

Duct Tape Report – Page 51 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/3743-3801redacted.pdf
Q62-Q64 – tape from victim; Q66 – Tape removed from Q65 gas can.
Duct tape pieces Q62-Q64 are physically consistent with one another. Due to their degraded state, Q64 was taken as representative of the three pieces from the skeletal remains and further examined and compared….Based on the examinations conducted, Q64 and Q66 pieces of tape are comparable to one another in all physical attributes and in the chemical composition of their backing and adhesive components. Therefore, they originated from the same source roll of tae or from rolls of tape manufactured in the same manner.

More FBI reports can be found at http://cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/fbireport.pdf

[Grins]

Well said Katprint. I enjoy all your legal opinions and especially the originality and depth of them.
You have raised this entire case discussion to a higher level of professionalism and objectivity.

I admire you and Lapis very much and learn from you both.

[AMS]

Caylee Love

Caylee you brought love into lives
still do as you enjoy
eternal happiness
free of any knowledge of
how you got there
you can just enjoy the wonders
feel our love our care
it seems we know
you

Security in the arms of God who said
Let the little children come to me
no fears no tears no cares for
you
sweet Caylee

we may weep
as we remember you
so help us through
keep our hearts in yours
until we meet one day
and say
Hi Caylee!
And you say, I know
you!

Then we shall all
go together
and play~

Love, Grins
and us


That was beautiful. Thank you Grins.

imo

[aproudmom]

Caylee Love

Caylee you brought love into lives
still do as you enjoy
eternal happiness
free of any knowledge of
how you got there
you can just enjoy the wonders
feel our love our care
it seems we know
you

Security in the arms of God who said
Let the little children come to me
no fears no tears no cares for
you
sweet Caylee

we may weep
as we remember you
so help us through
keep our hearts in yours
until we meet one day
and say
Hi Caylee!
And you say, I know
you!

Then we shall all
go together
and play~

Love, Grins
and us

OMG Grins so sweet..

[aproudmom]

Good afternoon, everybody. :seeya:

On Saturday, a poster mentioned that Kronk used to be a bounty hunter. I googled it, no confirmation.
Has anyone ever confirmed this?

TIA


JMO

that was said months ago and has never been confirmed..I think it may have been a rumor or if true was not ever talked about again

[desmom]

Good afternoon, everybody. :seeya:

On Saturday, a poster mentioned that Kronk used to be a bounty hunter. I googled it, no confirmation.
Has anyone ever confirmed this?

TIA


JMO

page 75 http://cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/roykronk01.pdf

And you have, and you have to be kinda. I should probably bring this up. Uh, I was in the Coast Guard for 12 years. I was a boarding officer. Okay? Uh, I was a bail bondsman bounty hunter.

[Grins]

Many thanks Desmom. Will gladly review.
Are you satisfied we have everything now or do you agree that much is still being held?

[aproudmom]

ok well did a google search and guess maybe he was at one time

Former Bounty Hunter, Roy Kronk, Smarter than ALL of the Other Searchers for Caylee Anthony’s Remains?

In an interview with ABC Good Morning America, fee for interview still not released, Roy Kronk explained how all he did was put his former short time bounty hunter hat on and he knew where Caylee Anthony’s remains were as early as August 11, 12, and 13 2008. Roy Kronk telling the national television audience he “felt” that’s where Caylee’s remains would be found and sure enough, they were found on December 11 2008, because it just made sense they would have been there. Kronk’s determination not to let this “go” even after he had called the police and the tip line on three consecutive days to say he saw a plastic bag with something “white”, off the road at the exact location where it was later found in December. The bag containing the remains appear to have never moved from the water that tropical storm Faye dumped there beginning after Kronk’s three calls in August, which brings up a whole new series of why questions.

http://www.rosespeaks.com/rose-blog/2009/01/14/former-bounty-hunter-roy-kronk-smarter-than-all-of-the-other-searchers-for-caylee-anthony%E2%80%99s-remains/

[spiritwolf46]

chuckles... You are so right! I just would find it so hard to believe that chili would ever be a "favorite food" of any child of that age.

Not that I am sticking up for Cindy (for we all know how I feel about that thing!) but my granddaughter, at age 2 would take bites of my chili and LOVED it! She has eaten it ever since. She would and also still does eat cherry tomatos like grapes. She has always been a fruit and veggie eater. :)

So, it really does happen.

Rest in heavenly peace, Caylee. You have so many people here for justice for you! :rose:

[Grins]

OMG Grins so sweet..My eyes are a bit misty; we have known Caylee for almost a year.
Right now I am thinking of all the times Grandpa George took her for a ride around the neighborhood in the wagon.

How she must have loved that, waving to all her friends~~

[desmom]

Many thanks Desmom. Will gladly review.
Are you satisfied we have everything now or do you agree that much is still being held?

I think there is a lot we do not know. It has been reported several times JB received discovery, yet we never saw the docs. Maybe they were included in later dumps. I guess it is also possible some of the info we have not seen has been redacted for various reasons.

jmo

[aproudmom]

Can they bring in media videos? if so on GVS they had video on August 5th I remember it cause they said there was no water there as said by LE..so just wondered second video

http://www.rosespeaks.com/rose-blog/2009/01/14/former-bounty-hunter-roy-kronk-smarter-than-all-of-the-other-searchers-for-caylee-anthony%E2%80%99s-remains/

[spiritwolf46]

Caylee Love

Caylee you brought love into lives
still do as you enjoy
eternal happiness
free of any knowledge of
how you got there
you can just enjoy the wonders
feel our love our care
it seems we know
you

Security in the arms of God who said
Let the little children come to me
no fears no tears no cares for
you
sweet Caylee

we may weep
as we remember you
so help us through
keep our hearts in yours
until we meet one day
and say
Hi Caylee!
And you say, I know
you!

Then we shall all
go together
and play~

Love, Grins
and us

This is so wonderful, Grins. Thank you for sharing it with all of us!

[Grins]

Thanks AMS, Spirit Wolf & Mom.
Caylee has brought us all together.
That is a great service which has changed our lives and will continue~~~

[Unleashed]

page 75 http://cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/roykronk01.pdf

And you have, and you have to be kinda. I should probably bring this up. Uh, I was in the Coast Guard for 12 years. I was a boarding officer. Okay? Uh, I was a bail bondsman bounty hunter.

Thank you, Mighty Queen of the Links (or MQL, if you wish). You never cease to astound me. :thumbsup:

Thanks, apm as well.

JMO

[neid_77]

Caylee Love

Caylee you brought love into lives
still do as you enjoy
eternal happiness
free of any knowledge of
how you got there
you can just enjoy the wonders
feel our love our care
it seems we know
you

Security in the arms of God who said
Let the little children come to me
no fears no tears no cares for
you
sweet Caylee

we may weep
as we remember you
so help us through
keep our hearts in yours
until we meet one day
and say
Hi Caylee!
And you say, I know
you!

Then we shall all
go together
and play~

Love, Grins
and us



that was fantastic!!!!! thank-you


ALWAYS! and forever

Caylee Marie:wub::wub:

[aproudmom]

My eyes are a bit misty; we have known Caylee for almost a year.
Right now I am thinking of all the times Grandpa George took her for a ride around the neighborhood in the wagon.

How she must have loved that, waving to all her friends~~

I know I am still sitting here thinking back and can not believe it has been almost a year since I started following this case sometimes not sleeping in hopes I would not miss breaking news on Fox that she was found alive and then as the days went on and the more I heard and read I knew she was a little ANGEL so I had to find somewhere to talk about her my kids and family was getting tired of me talking their heads off so I signed up on here again after several years...and have found comfort in so many posters who also love this child that we may have never met but we all fell in love with...so now all we need is JUSTICE 4 CAYLEE...thanks for the poem was very touching..:wub:

[desmom]

Can they bring in media videos? if so on GVS they had video on August 5th I remember it cause they said there was no water there as said by LE..so just wondered second video

http://www.rosespeaks.com/rose-blog/2009/01/14/former-bounty-hunter-roy-kronk-smarter-than-all-of-the-other-searchers-for-caylee-anthony%E2%80%99s-remains/

I remember TES said the lost an ATV in the area due to the water. TES arrived the end of August 2008.

Gale St. John was there mid August 2008. http://psychicgalestjohn.com/blinddrive/

[spiritwolf46]

Thanks AMS, Spirit Wolf & Mom.
Caylee has brought us all together.
That is a great service which has changed our lives and will continue~~~

You are so right, Grins. Caylee has brought us and so many others together. :)

[Postergeist]

I'm curious where Casey went the night of the 15th. I think that's the night the fight happened and the date of Caylee's demise. After midnight though and George lied about seeing them on the morning of the 16th.
<snipped>

I agree with you Dunnie- I think it was a year ago today that Caylee was murdered/killed, God rest her soul. I don't think she ever left that house alive on the 16th.

:rose:

There is some comfort in learning that Caylee did have some love shown to her prior to her final hours- from her great-granddad and her great-grandma.

Thank you aproudmom for the video link you posted.

[Dunlurken]

You are so right, Grins. Caylee has brought us and so many others together. :)

Too bad she's not here with us. One year ago today she was murdered, and thrown out like trash. Double wrapped with tape on her mouth.

someone will pay for this. JMO.

[cassidy]

I wanted to put this on here it was a poem Nevaeh's uncle read at her funeral this weekend for all murdered children I know all these little angels are up there playing on Heavens Playground together so wanted to share it on Caylee's thread also

No Fear In Heaven
“Horrific as our life now seems, one thing remains quite true,
Our little ones have now been freed to do things angels do.
They can't recall the horrors of those last days they were here,
They remember not the terror, the hurt, nor the fear.
There is no fear in Heaven. No more sorrow, only Joy.
It's filled with joyous laughter from each little girl and boy.”:rose:

Thanks for sharing that with us. As heartbreaking as it is to lose them, these babies have moved on. It's up to those left behind to find justice for them. They deserve it and it's the least we can do.

JMO

[Adonna]

Today is especially hard as I reflect on all that we have come to know about Caylee's life and murder and her totally dysfunctional family. The A's IMO can't stand that thousands have come to love their innocent precious baby grand-daughter Caylee and that she will live in our hearts forever and never to be forgotten.

Caylee was a beautiful child and like so many other children discarded gifts from above. Now, it's the law of the people that cry out for justice for her and so many other children! G&C you're not nor will you ever be heros for missing children, it's us decent compassionate loving
people's love for Caylee that will soon change laws such as making profit on the murder of a child under most circumstances.

:rose:Caylee:rose: Forever remembered....:crying:

[Sandy001]

baez has strolled into court a few times now and whined to Judge Strickland about not receiving timely discovery and each time, iirc, it was noted that the information he wanted had not yet been given to the Prosecution.

Unless and until the State has been proven to be acting improperly or unfairly, I will continue to have complete faith in the integrity of Linda Drane-Burdick and her team.


' Rest in Peace Caylee Marie Anthony. Whining about not getting Discovery is Defense Tactic #1. In most instances, it is easily proven that the Defense is usually just blowing smoke.

Then, when they get it, the lazy (or ignorant) Defense chooses NOT to read it. A good prosecution with number the pages and make the Defense sign for it. Mark Garegos tried to get a mistrial on the fact he didn't get the Discovery on the Aponte tip in time for trial. Documents and signatures prove he was given the information two momths BEFORE the trial. He jsut failed to follow up on it until AFTER the verdict.

I think the defense is a tad bit lazy in some cases. They get information, but they don't even look at it. The Prosecution is NOT required to hold the Defense's hand and lead them through it.

I qquestion WHY Baez has to have so MANY experts? He has duplicates in some cases. I guess he just goes to "star" power.

[spiritwolf46]

Too bad she's not here with us. One year ago today she was murdered, and thrown out like trash. Double wrapped with tape on her mouth.

someone will pay for this. JMO.

Hiya Dun!

Yep! Someone will pay and that someone is her very own, so called mother!

May justcie be served for this little Angel!

[summer]

Today is especially hard as I reflect on all that we have come to know about Caylee's life and murder and her totally dysfunctional family. The A's IMO can't stand that thousands have come to love their innocent precious baby grand-daughter Caylee and that she will live in our hearts forever and never to be forgotten.

Caylee was a beautiful child and like so many other children discarded gifts from above. Now, it's the law of the people that cry out for justice for her and so many other children! G&C you're not nor will you ever be heros for missing children, it's us decent compassionate loving
people's love for Caylee that will soon change laws such as making profit on the murder of a child under most circumstances.

:rose:Caylee:rose: Forever remembered....:crying:

For reals, Adonna. It's almost like: she's ours to love -- or to throw away -- and it's none of your business. how dare you get into our business!

Sick.

[desmom]

:rose: 72 Candles for Caylee :rose:

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle

[summer]

I think it was Pat Brown, the criminal profiler who said the Anthonys behave just like a crime family. We created 'em, we'll take them out if we damn well please.

[Sandy001]

ok well did a google search and guess maybe he was at one time

Former Bounty Hunter, Roy Kronk, Smarter than ALL of the Other Searchers for Caylee Anthony’s Remains?

In an interview with ABC Good Morning America, fee for interview still not released, Roy Kronk explained how all he did was put his former short time bounty hunter hat on and he knew where Caylee Anthony’s remains were as early as August 11, 12, and 13 2008. Roy Kronk telling the national television audience he “felt” that’s where Caylee’s remains would be found and sure enough, they were found on December 11 2008, because it just made sense they would have been there. Kronk’s determination not to let this “go” even after he had called the police and the tip line on three consecutive days to say he saw a plastic bag with something “white”, off the road at the exact location where it was later found in December. The bag containing the remains appear to have never moved from the water that tropical storm Faye dumped there beginning after Kronk’s three calls in August, which brings up a whole new series of why questions.

http://www.rosespeaks.com/rose-blog/2009/01/14/former-bounty-hunter-roy-kronk-smarter-than-all-of-the-other-searchers-for-caylee-anthony%E2%80%99s-remains/
This sounds terrible but wasn't there botanical growth through the body? If that is true, then the defense will have a very tough time saying the remains were placed there at a later date than when Kronk first saw something.

[AMS]

Casey Anthony: What the reporters have to say about the story

posted by halboedeker on Jun 15, 2009 12:30:11 PM

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/06/casey-anthony-what-the-reporters-have-to-say-about-the-story.html


imo

[desmom]

This sounds terrible but wasn't there botanical growth through the body? If that is true, then the defense will have a very tough time saying the remains were placed there at a later date than when Kronk first saw something.

yes - page 9 http://www.momlogic.com/cdn/v3/pdf/casey_anthony_docs/redacted_statements.pdf

[kOOkie1]

Today is especially hard as I reflect on all that we have come to know about Caylee's life and murder and her totally dysfunctional family. The A's IMO can't stand that thousands have come to love their innocent precious baby grand-daughter Caylee and that she will live in our hearts forever and never to be forgotten.

Caylee was a beautiful child and like so many other children discarded gifts from above. Now, it's the law of the people that cry out for justice for her and so many other children! G&C you're not nor will you ever be heros for missing children, it's us decent compassionate loving
people's love for Caylee that will soon change laws such as making profit on the murder of a child under most circumstances.

:rose:Caylee:rose: Forever remembered....:crying:

[QUOTE=Adonna;13194538]

The A's IMO can't stand that thousands have come to love their innocent precious baby grand-daughter Caylee and that she will live in our hearts forever and never to be forgotten
(snipped)

Your soo right Adonna..You would think that Family would have embraced the public and the out pouring of Love that was shown for their Grandaughter regardless of their decision to stand by casey. Just Sickening-

[Imperfect4]

I would like to know what's going on with the autopsy report.

As grim as it will be, I view it as a beginning ... the first of many voices from the right side of the courtroom, speaking for Caylee.

For a year, we've heard nothing but voices for the accused murderer and her family.

It's way past time to hear Caylee's side of the story, through the voice of Dr. Garavaglia. Caylee is, after all, the 2 year-old murder victim. It's well past time to hear from her.

Her family silenced her voice, once again, last week. I pray Judge Strickland releases the report soon.

[summer]

I would like to know what's going on with the autopsy report.

As grim as it will be, I view it as a beginning ... the first of many voices from the right side of the courtroom, speaking for Caylee.

For a year, we've heard nothing but voices for the accused murderer and her family.

It's way past time to hear Caylee's side of the story, through the voice of Dr. Garavaglia. Caylee is, after all, the 2 year-old murder victim. It's well past time to hear from her.

Her family silenced her voice, once again, last week. I pray Judge Strickland releases the report soon.

me too, imperfect.

[5boxersmom]

Hard to believe it has been a year today that Caylee was last seen alive. :rose:

[Postergeist]

Exactly Imperfect4!

That was a perfect post on what has been happening.

Early on, imo- the Anthony family, esp. Cindy, tried to silence Casey's friends- but telling them to not talk to media or LE before talking to her first-

asked that the public call their tipline and not LE's

tried to get message boards, et al from discussing the case and what appeared to be heavy pressure put on those owners that had been allowing discussions -

we learned so very little about the toddler but we heard a lot of excuses and defending of the inmate early on.

IMO only strangers and LE have tried to do right by Caylee since July of last year.

[Adonna]

[QUOTE=Adonna;13194538]

The A's IMO can't stand that thousands have come to love their innocent precious baby grand-daughter Caylee and that she will live in our hearts forever and never to be forgotten
(snipped)

Your soo right Adonna..You would think that Family would have embraced the public and the out pouring of Love that was shown for their Grandaughter regardless of their decision to stand by casey. Just Sickening-

kOOkie last night I couldn't fall asleep thinking about Caylee's last day as we know it to be. She had a visit with great-grandpa at the assisted living home, she went to great-grandma's for a bite of chilie, but opted for a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. Then she went home to where a child should be at peace, but it was not to be a place of peace for little Caylee. :crying:

[n/t]

Remembering you today and always.

RIP sweet baby girl :rose:

[spiritwolf46]

I would like to know what's going on with the autopsy report.

As grim as it will be, I view it as a beginning ... the first of many voices from the right side of the courtroom, speaking for Caylee.

For a year, we've heard nothing but voices for the accused murderer and her family.

It's way past time to hear Caylee's side of the story, through the voice of Dr. Garavaglia. Caylee is, after all, the 2 year-old murder victim. It's well past time to hear from her.

Her family silenced her voice, once again, last week. I pray Judge Strickland releases the report soon.

I hope so, too, Impefect! I hope that Strickland will release those reports. The Anthony family doesn't want them released for a much different reason than what they have said! To me, this report just may implicate their beloved OC and THAT and only THAT is the reason that these poor excuses for grandparents do not want it released. Since they have stated that it would be a hardship on them, simply don't read it! It is all about the OC AND THEM once more. They also stated that it would bring out more hatred (paraphrasing) against the OC if released by us message boards, bloggers, etc. I think that it is about time that they realize that there could not possibly be more dislike for those people than what there is now and it is due to THEMSELVES and their behavior!

Release it, I say!

[comemonday]

I'm hoping and praying the reason the reports are not out there is because they are what's going to put Casey away for life. Frustrating as it is not to get any updates on this case, I'm just hopeful that LE and defense have everything they need to nail Casey with this murder. I just returned from Orlando last night from a quick weekend getaway w/hubby (which we frequently do) and it never fails that I look around at all areas that were reported to be search sites for poor Caylee. Also thinking of some of our posters who actually participated in these searches (thank you)...Our favorite spot to go is Universal and it sickens me that this monster creeps into my mind when we are there. I don't speak of it, but it wanders through my head that this monster fabricated this employment (along with so many other things) And yesterday as we were travelling to Orlando Airport I thought of the searches there. Today is a very, very sad, unsettling day. Poor Caylee.. RIP... *Sorry for O/T* :sad:

[spiritwolf46]

I'm hoping and praying the reason the reports are not out there is because they are what's going to put Casey away for life. Frustrating as it is not to get any updates on this case, I'm just hopeful that LE and defense have everything they need to nail Casey with this murder. I just returned from Orlando last night from a quick weekend getaway w/hubby (which we frequently do) and it never fails that I look around at all areas that were reported to be search sites for poor Caylee. Also thinking of some of our posters who actually participated in these searches (thank you)...Our favorite spot to go is Universal and it sickens me that this monster creeps into my mind when we are there. I don't speak of it, but it wanders through my head that this monster fabricated this employment (along with so many other things) And yesterday as we were travelling to Orlando Airport I thought of the searches there. Today is a very, very sad, unsettling day. Poor Caylee.. RIP... *Sorry for O/T* :sad:

No need for apology, comemonday, for it was not O/T and tied in with this case.

I want to second that Thank You to all of those who searched for little Caylee. Prayers and hugs for you all. :wub:

[aubrey04]

Hey everyone, took a small hiatus, but just wanted to pop in because of the date. I haven't put much thought into this case lately because I got tired of it being the Anthony show and not about Caylee. The memorial, then the depos were just revolting.

It is so sad to think it has been a year since Caylee passed. I bet her grandparents don't even acknowledge that tomorrow (within this three day period at least late at night on the 15th - or on the 16th/17th) is the anniversary of her death, since they're too concerned with pushing the date of her death back to absolve their murdering daughter.

Also I know this has probably been hashed and rehashed, but I read the family does not want a lot of the reports released, including the toxicology result. Interesting. Makes me think there is something they want to hide which is very daming..otherwise, we'd see Cindy on the Today show yapping about how there is no evidence.

imo

[bchand]

Hey everyone, took a small hiatus, but just wanted to pop in because of the date. I haven't put much thought into this case lately because I got tired of it being the Anthony show and not about Caylee. The memorial, then the depos were just revolting.

It is so sad to think it has been a year since Caylee passed. I bet her grandparents don't even acknowledge that tomorrow (within this three day period at least late at night on the 15th - or on the 16th/17th) is the anniversary of her death, since they're too concerned with pushing the date of her death back to absolve their murdering daughter.

Also I know this has probably been hashed and rehashed, but I read the family does not want a lot of the reports released, including the toxicology result. Interesting. Makes me think there is something they want to hide which is very daming..otherwise, we'd see Cindy on the Today show yapping about how there is no evidence.

imo

Hi aubrey - You've been missed but I can understand stepping away from the case. It's going to be a long time til we get to trial.

You noticed that the Anthonys are still trying to "control things"?

It will be a sad few days for many who care about Caylee but I'd bet Casey doesn't give it a second thought.

[comemonday]

Hey everyone, took a small hiatus, but just wanted to pop in because of the date. I haven't put much thought into this case lately because I got tired of it being the Anthony show and not about Caylee. The memorial, then the depos were just revolting.

It is so sad to think it has been a year since Caylee passed. I bet her grandparents don't even acknowledge that tomorrow (within this three day period at least late at night on the 15th - or on the 16th/17th) is the anniversary of her death, since they're too concerned with pushing the date of her death back to absolve their murdering daughter.

Also I know this has probably been hashed and rehashed, but I read the family does not want a lot of the reports released, including the toxicology result. Interesting. Makes me think there is something they want to hide which is very daming..otherwise, we'd see Cindy on the Today show yapping about how there is no evidence.

imo


Bolding mine - Interesting to say the least right? I'm certain there's a lot of damaging results out there.. That's why I think the info isn't out there for us. I'm hopeful it all comes out when the trials starts... and there will be NOTHING that family can do about it. The truth will hurt.

[sunstar]

:rose: Thinking of you today, sweet Caylee, and remembering how happy you were with your great grandpa just one year ago today. :rose:

[Scampi]

Welcome back Aubrey. As usual the anthonys are tone deaf as to how things they do appear. If they truly believed someone other then their daughter murdered Caylee, they would have absolutely no problem whatsoever having every single piece of evidence released to the public.

The fact that they are instead fighting the release of reports, tell me they are quite aware that casey anthony murdered Caylee.

[bluwaters]

Not that I am sticking up for Cindy (for we all know how I feel about that thing!) but my granddaughter, at age 2 would take bites of my chili and LOVED it! She has eaten it ever since. She would and also still does eat cherry tomatos like grapes. She has always been a fruit and veggie eater. :)

So, it really does happen.

Rest in heavenly peace, Caylee. You have so many people here for justice for you! :rose:
Thanks for this post.
My children both loved chili from toddler hood up to the present time.
They both dislike PB&J, and always have.

I just had the old "There's nothing to eat" argument with DS2, now 16 years old.
Me - Make yourself a PB&J sandwich!
DS2 - Mom! I HATE PB - you know I never liked it.
Me - So, be adventurous, try something new for a change.

Now, when they were little, I did pull out their portions of chili before putting in the hot chili spices...

RIP precious Caylee.
Justice will be done, in the fullness of time. :rose:

[kitty1182]

Welcome back Aubrey. As usual the anthonys are tone deaf as to how things they do appear. If they truly believed someone other then their daughter murdered Caylee, they would have absolutely no problem whatsoever having every single piece of evidence released to the public.

The fact that they are instead fighting the release of reports, tell me they are quite aware that casey anthony murdered Caylee.

I so agree....

[spiritwolf46]

Welcome back Aubrey. As usual the anthonys are tone deaf as to how things they do appear. If they truly believed someone other then their daughter murdered Caylee, they would have absolutely no problem whatsoever having every single piece of evidence released to the public.

The fact that they are instead fighting the release of reports, tell me they are quite aware that casey anthony murdered Caylee.

You bet that they are aware! No doubts in my mind at all!

[Unleashed]

Bolding mine - Interesting to say the least right? I'm certain there's a lot of damaging results out there.. That's why I think the info isn't out there for us. I'm hopeful it all comes out when the trials starts... and there will be NOTHING that family can do about it. The truth will hurt.

I am convinced that the A's have seen and devoured the report. There is something in there that is going to blow the OC off this earth. It's going to come out anyway, what is the point in procrastinating?

IMO

[Dick Tracy]

I would like to know what's going on with the autopsy report.

As grim as it will be, I view it as a beginning ... the first of many voices from the right side of the courtroom, speaking for Caylee.

For a year, we've heard nothing but voices for the accused murderer and her family.

It's way past time to hear Caylee's side of the story, through the voice of Dr. Garavaglia. Caylee is, after all, the 2 year-old murder victim. It's well past time to hear from her.

Her family silenced her voice, once again, last week. I pray Judge Strickland releases the report soon.

Hiya Imperfect4 - ITA.. That autopsy report MUST contain some damaging information. It must. Add to that Dr. Garavaglia's strong medical opinion on how Caylee might have died or been killed. It's a nightmare revisited for the PRP.

I'm wondering if the prosecution will animate the wrapping of the little girls head with duct tape, and then show that during the trial. That would be powerful evidence.

She's being thrown to the lions by her own accord, a little at a time.

31 Days. I just can't get over the 31 days.

[comemonday]

I am convinced that the A's have seen and devoured the report. There is something in there that is going to blow the OC off this earth. It's going to come out anyway, what is the point in procrastinating?

IMO

I guess it's all a matter of timing and accuracy? I really don't know, but hope that its best for the prosecution to keep it from the public. I'm frustrated with the delay of information but hopeful that it's all worth the wait. IMO

[spiritwolf46]

Hiya Imperfect4 - ITA.. That autopsy report MUST contain some damaging information. It must. Add to that Dr. Garavaglia's strong medical opinion on how Caylee might have died or been killed. It's a nightmare revisited for the PRP.

I'm wondering if the prosecution will animate the wrapping of the little girls head with duct tape, and then show that during the trial. That would be powerful evidence.

She's being thrown to the lions by her own accord, a little at a time.

31 Days. I just can't get over the 31 days.

Bolding mine:

I cannot get over it either and neither will, I think, a jury.

[trich]

Thanks for this post.
My children both loved chili from toddler hood up to the present time.
They both dislike PB&J, and always have.

I just had the old "There's nothing to eat" argument with DS2, now 16 years old.
Me - Make yourself a PB&J sandwich!
DS2 - Mom! I HATE PB - you know I never liked it.
Me - So, be adventurous, try something new for a change.

Now, when they were little, I did pull out their portions of chili before putting in the hot chili spices...

RIP precious Caylee.
Justice will be done, in the fullness of time. :rose:

OMG I thought I had the only kid that did not like pbj ....the kid is now in her 40's and still will not eat peanut butter .LOL
And as much as she loves her kids they better not kiss her with peanut butter on their lips. LOL
They love to do that knowing how she hates it. LOL
It is good to have a little laughter on this board.:smile:

[Chardonnay]

I've been thinking of Caylee all day, and decided to write a poem for her.. (I hope the bolding worked)

Close to our hearts you'll always be,
An Angel above, one day we'll all see.
Your young, sweet life was taken too soon,
L[B]ast year at this time, in the month of June.
[B]Everyday since, we all think of you,
Envisioning you hugging your Winnie the Pooh.


RIP :wub:

[Daffodil]

I've been thinking of Caylee all day, and decided to write a poem for her.. (I hope the bolding worked)

Close to our hearts you'll always be,
An Angel above, one day we'll all see.
Your young, sweet life was taken too soon,
L[B]ast year at this time, in the month of June.
[B]Everyday since, we all think of you,
Envisioning you hugging your Winnie the Pooh.


RIP :wub:



Very nice Chardonnay.

[bluwaters]

Why are the Anthony's not using their boat to search for missing Orlando
woman, Tracy Ocasio?
Tim Miller and Texas Equusearch are in Orlando right now searching for Tracy.
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/19754686/detail.html

How many missing person cases have the A's assisted in, utilizing their special boat to aid in searches?

Orlando LE needs help in finding Tracy.

What an opportunity for the A's to "give back" to LE, who worked so tirelessly to find Caylee. :sneaky:

[denjet]

Good Afternoon folks!
Haven't had time to post much, but have been lurking and reading ... many thanks for the heartfelt posts and remembrance of Caylee ... It's so good to have a place to share these feelings. As I lit my candle, I couldn't help but wonder about the timing of the release of the autopsy report and the 1yr anniversary of Caylee's death and how eerie it is ... I feel, once again, Caylee is speaking and her voice will be heard and nothing the Ants do will be able to stop that ... At least that's what I'll hold on to.
I hope the memorial tomorrow draws many ... she deserves to be remembered on this day.

RIP Sweet Angel ! :wub:

[Unleashed]

So.. do you think that when the coroner went on tv and reported her findings, that she was unable to determine how Caylee died, that she was lying?

Where did you get that from?
I am sure she has some very strong opinions as to how Caylee died, based on the findings.

JMO

[AnniePie]

OMG I thought I had the only kid that did not like pbj ....the kid is now in her 40's and still will not eat peanut butter .LOL
And as much as she loves her kids they better not kiss her with peanut butter on their lips. LOL
They love to do that knowing how she hates it. LOL
It is good to have a little laughter on this board.:smile:

My eldest son had a PB samich in his school lunch every day from Grade 1 to Grade 8 when he became too cool to eat lunch anymore. :wink:

My middle son always loved chili right from the time he was a toddler and he liked it *spicy*. He still does.

I do believe that Caylee could have loved chili... every kid is different in their tastes.

[AnniePie]

Why are the Anthony's not using their boat to search for missing Orlando
woman, Tracy Ocasio?
Tim Miller and Texas Equusearch are in Orlando right now searching for Tracy.
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/19754686/detail.html

How many missing person cases have the A's assisted in, utilizing their special boat to aid in searches?

Orlando LE needs help in finding Tracy.

What an opportunity for the A's to "give back" to LE, who worked so tirelessly to find Caylee. :sneaky:

I honestly don't know about this, but would LE even want their assistance?

[MGM111]

Hello Everyone

Its been one year... amazing how this horrific case continues to twist and turn...

Sweet Caylee... justice will be served little one. :rose:

[Imperfect4]

I guess it's all a matter of timing and accuracy? I really don't know, but hope that its best for the prosecution to keep it from the public. I'm frustrated with the delay of information but hopeful that it's all worth the wait. IMO

The pros isn't holding things up -- they released the report to the defense. It was the Anthonys' lawyer who requested the report be held back.

If I understand correctly, Judge Strickland is waiting for the media to respond to the withholding of this very important piece of discovery.

[Imperfect4]

Why are the Anthony's not using their boat to search for missing Orlando
woman, Tracy Ocasio?
Tim Miller and Texas Equusearch are in Orlando right now searching for Tracy.
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/19754686/detail.html

How many missing person cases have the A's assisted in, utilizing their special boat to aid in searches?

Orlando LE needs help in finding Tracy.

What an opportunity for the A's to "give back" to LE, who worked so tirelessly to find Caylee. :sneaky:

I'm sure any family serious about finding a missing loved one will request the help of real search and rescue organizations, like Texas Equusearch.

But as their little fishing boat sits gathering dust at the dock, one thing is for sure ... the A's won't get the hint. We'll surely hear from Cindy about the "thousands" of requests for help they receive every day, and we'll hear from the Milsteads about all the good work they're doing.

Joke. HUGE joke.

[Roux]

I would like to know what's going on with the autopsy report.

As grim as it will be, I view it as a beginning ... the first of many voices from the right side of the courtroom, speaking for Caylee.

For a year, we've heard nothing but voices for the accused murderer and her family.

It's way past time to hear Caylee's side of the story, through the voice of Dr. Garavaglia. Caylee is, after all, the 2 year-old murder victim. It's well past time to hear from her.

Her family silenced her voice, once again, last week. I pray Judge Strickland releases the report soon.

Has the date been set for the hearing on BC's motion? I want to be sure to watch it.

It annoyed the he77 out of me when I read the A's motion. The autopsy report is what it is and all the world will know sooner or later. Why are they so concerned about "their" grief and media exposure. I guess next they'll be claiming there shouldn't be a trial because it will cause them grief and pain, and people will talk bad about their darling Casey. :cursing:

[comemonday]

The pros isn't holding things up -- they released the report to the defense. It was the Anthonys' lawyer who requested the report be held back.

If I understand correctly, Judge Strickland is waiting for the media to respond to the withholding of this very important piece of discovery.

Thanks for the clarity... I sometimes get "lost" in all the document info and such.. when do you think we would hear from Strickland on this?

[Imperfect4]

So.. do you think that when the coroner went on tv and reported her findings, that she was unable to determine how Caylee died, that she was lying?

Her job on December 18th of last year was to publicly identify the remains as Caylee's, and announce manner of death.

She's had six months to receive test results/tox reports back and put other pieces of the puzzle together, in order to formulate her full expert opinion of how Caylee died.

The ME's expert opinion must suffice, since Caylee's family continues to insure the actual facts of her murder will be forever obscured.

[Imperfect4]

Thanks for the clarity... I sometimes get "lost" in all the document info and such.. when do you think we would hear from Strickland on this?

I'm sure hoping this week. I hope media outlets are all over this, responding to Judge S.

[bchand]

The pros isn't holding things up -- they released the report to the defense. It was the Anthonys' lawyer who requested the report be held back.

If I understand correctly, Judge Strickland is waiting for the media to respond to the withholding of this very important piece of discovery.

I'd like to know how the Anthony's attorney, Brad Conway got a look at the autopsy report. He does NOT represent Casey so how did he see it?

(He admitted on the Today Show that's he was given a copy of it.)

[Sun]

Has the date been set for the hearing on BC's motion? I want to be sure to watch it.

It annoyed the he77 out of me when I read the A's motion. The autopsy report is what it is and all the world will know sooner or later. Why are they so concerned about "their" grief and media exposure. I guess next they'll be claiming there shouldn't be a trial because it will cause them grief and pain, and people will talk bad about their darling Casey. :cursing:

I just checked the Clerk of Courts records, and so far nothing has yet been filed by the Media, and a court date wouldn't happen until that has been done.

[Imperfect4]

Has the date been set for the hearing on BC's motion? I want to be sure to watch it.

It annoyed the he77 out of me when I read the A's motion. The autopsy report is what it is and all the world will know sooner or later. Why are they so concerned about "their" grief and media exposure. I guess next they'll be claiming there shouldn't be a trial because it will cause them grief and pain, and people will talk bad about their darling Casey. :cursing:

Hi Roux,

I'm not positive there will be a hearing. Seems I read somewhere Judge S could or might rule without a hearing.

And ITA about the A's. Once again, it's all about them. God forbid anyone make this about the murdered 2 year-old.

[bchand]

I just checked the Clerk of Courts records, and so far nothing has yet been filed by the Media, and a court date wouldn't happen until that has been done.

I could be wrong but I thought Judge Strickland left it as - the media will state their case in writing to him - and then he will determine whether to rule or to schedule a hearing.

Keeping fingers crossed that he skips the hearing and just rules against BC's motion.

[Imperfect4]

I just checked the Clerk of Courts records, and so far nothing has yet been filed by the Media, and a court date wouldn't happen until that has been done.

Sun,

What sort of response by the media would be required, do you know? Phone calls? Faxes? An official court document?

Might be a silly question, but I honestly don't know. :confused:

[Sun]

I just checked the Clerk of Courts records, and so far nothing has yet been filed by the Media, and a court date wouldn't happen until that has been done.

ooops, I should have also said that sometimes the online Clerk of Courts records are several hours behind.... not always though. I've noticed that most of their updates to their online site tend to happen very late in the day also. The data entry probably depends on the volumn that they experience for that day.

[summer]

I could be wrong but I thought Judge Strickland left it as - the media will state their case in writing to him - and then he will determine whether to rule or to schedule a hearing.

Keeping fingers crossed that he skips the hearing and just rules against BC's motion.

Therefore it's quite likely the media has already submitted their case to the judge and he's now making his decision. The public won't know if and unless there's a hearing scheduled. I wonder how he'll announce his decision if there is no hearing? Guess through a court spokesman? Or will the media lawyers hold a press conference...Or will the autopsy suddenly become available on media websites...

[Imperfect4]

I'd like to know how the Anthony's attorney, Brad Conway got a look at the autopsy report. He does NOT represent Casey so how did he see it?

(He admitted on the Today Show that's he was given a copy of it.)

The A's and/or BC seem to have advance copies of all discovery. I just assumed it was all above board.

[Imperfect4]

Therefore it's quite likely the media has already submitted their case to the judge and he's now making his decision. The public won't know if and unless there's a hearing scheduled. I wonder how he'll announce his decision if there is no hearing? Guess through a court spokesman? Or will the media lawyers hold a press conference...Or will the autopsy suddenly become available on media websites...

I would think that depends on how formal the process is. As far as I can tell, the BC motion on behalf of the A's is unprecedented to begin with (and submitted incorrectly, from what I gather), so I'm confused as to how formal the court's response will be.

I was assuming we'd just see a link to the judge's decision and the autopsy report (providing he ruled against the A's). But I really don't have a clue.

[spiritwolf46]

I'd like to know how the Anthony's attorney, Brad Conway got a look at the autopsy report. He does NOT represent Casey so how did he see it?

(He admitted on the Today Show that's he was given a copy of it.)

I SO agree with you on this! I have wanted to know how and WHY since this was first filed by him! Does not make a lick of sense to me at all!

[summer]

The A's and/or BC seem to have advance copies of all discovery. I just assumed it was all above board.

I'll never understand how they are legally parties to this case. Conway has insinuated himself openly as an arm of the defense. I know the parents of any defendant are highly interested in an ongoing case for obvious reasons, but I don't get how they have legal standing. I don't get how they can be allowed to even file the motion to hold the autopsy back. I don't get why their motion wasn't refused straight away! Isn't their legal standing as significant as, say one of us? Technically?

[Roux]

Therefore it's quite likely the media has already submitted their case to the judge and he's now making his decision. The public won't know if and unless there's a hearing scheduled. I wonder how he'll announce his decision if there is no hearing? Guess through a court spokesman? Or will the media lawyers hold a press conference...Or will the autopsy suddenly become available on media websites...

Oh lawsy me, I'm befuddled. I thought the release of the video was dependent upon the media filing a request (which I thought was recently done); now comes BC with a motion to withhold the autopsy report. So we have two issues to be decided, right?

Imp, I think you're right that Judge S. will simply issue an order and there will probably not be a hearing on the autopsy report.

[Sun]

Therefore it's quite likely the media has already submitted their case to the judge and he's now making his decision. The public won't know if and unless there's a hearing scheduled. I wonder how he'll announce his decision if there is no hearing? Guess through a court spokesman? Or will the media lawyers hold a press conference...Or will the autopsy suddenly become available on media websites...

The media will have to file with the court, and that will show up on the Clerk of Courts records (for instance, the media has filed with the court in regards to the jail video). Whether Judge Strickland sets a court date or not, seems to be up to him on this issue. And, if Judge Strickland issues a decision, that too will be filed with the Clerk of Courts. ....chances are, media will be the first to announce any decision though by the Judge.

[Roux]

I'll never understand how they are legally parties to this case. Conway has insinuated himself openly as an arm of the defense. I know the parents of any defendant are highly interested in an ongoing case for obvious reasons, but I don't get how they have legal standing. I don't get how they can be allowed to even file the motion to hold the autopsy back. I don't get why their motion wasn't refused straight away! Isn't their legal standing as significant as, say one of us? Technically?

What bothers me about it, is the Anthonys and BC having full access to Baez defense strategy. They will be called as witnesses; yet have more than likely colluded with a coverup & obfuscation of the truth.

[summer]

Oh lawsy me, I'm befuddled. I thought the release of the video was dependent upon the media filing a request (which I thought was recently done); now comes BC with a motion to withhold the autopsy report. So we have two issues to be decided, right?

Imp, I think you're right that Judge S. will simply issue an order and there will probably not be a hearing on the autopsy report.

I don't know why, but I don't see a hearing coming out of this. Famous last words. Wishful thinking, I dunno. The judge must be so sick of the hundreds of motions he still has to schedule and re-schedule and I'm sure he knows delay is the name of the game for this defense.

I'm going with the idea that something as cut and dried as the sunshine law regarding the autopsy report (not the pics necessarily) will be a no-brainer for him and there is no worry about an appellate issue.

Besides, Conway said on the Today Show something absolutely counter to the (incorrectly) filed motion, which stated "grief" as the prime mover. He said flat out on national television he filed the motion because the Anthonys think it will be prejudicial to their daughter's case. Plain and simple. I think the media should show that clip to the Judge as just another example of Conway's disengenuousness.

[bluwaters]

It strikes me as disingenuous on the A's part to call for privacy, when they have so avidly sought the media spotlight.
At any rate, I believe that Judge Strickland will look to the argument put forth by the media when making his decision.
As we have seen on several rulings, Judge Strickland is a 1st Amendment Rights judge, and he also has trouble with "protecting" information that will be made public in the end.
I expect the autopsy report to be released.
JMHO.

These links are from last Friday,
so many here have will have already seen them.

G&C's motion to block release of autopsy results:
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19727604/detail.html

INTERVIEW: Legal Analyst Bill Sheaffer On Motion To Block Autopsy Release
http://www.wftv.com/video/19738543/index.html

[summer]

The media will have to file with the court, and that will show up on the Clerk of Courts records (for instance, the media has filed with the court in regards to the jail video). Whether Judge Strickland sets a court date or not, seems to be up to him on this issue. And, if Judge Strickland issues a decision, that too will be filed with the Clerk of Courts. ....chances are, media will be the first to announce any decision though by the Judge.

Oh! So the media files with the court even though a hearing might not ensue. Makes sense. duh. Thanks!

[Imperfect4]

I'll never understand how they are legally parties to this case. Conway has insinuated himself openly as an arm of the defense. I know the parents of any defendant are highly interested in an ongoing case for obvious reasons, but I don't get how they have legal standing. I don't get how they can be allowed to even file the motion to hold the autopsy back. I don't get why their motion wasn't refused straight away! Isn't their legal standing as significant as, say one of us? Technically?

I honestly don't know. This case is unprecedented in many ways, I think. I get the sense there's a lot of crossing of bridges as they come to them. It seems to me both law enforcement and the court system are going out of their way to be sensitive to the A's. Not only are they closely related to both the victim and the accused, but their involvement and entanglement in the investigation, plus the media focus, also seems unprecedented.

I honestly also think Cindy's utter gall and big mouth have created a force field around her that few are eager to penetrate. The A's seem to have lots of folks walking on eggshells. Just my own impression of the situation.

[summer]

Sun:

So let me see if I have this right. When the media submits its argument to the court on the autopsy report they automatically have to schedule a hearing date, whether or not it is necessary?

So we are to assume since this matter is not on the court docket that we can see -- that the media has NOT submitted their argument yet?

[bluwaters]

I'd like to know how the Anthony's attorney, Brad Conway got a look at the autopsy report. He does NOT represent Casey so how did he see it?

(He admitted on the Today Show that's he was given a copy of it.)
C&C are legal guardians of Caylee's remains, according to their motion:

Motion to Restrict Disclosure
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19727604/detail.html

That is how they were able to have Caylee cremated (supposedly), against Casey's wishes.

ETA: I *think* their status as legal guardians of Caylee remains is the means they use to insert themselves into these proceedings.

[summer]

I honestly don't know. This case is unprecedented in many ways, I think. I get the sense there's a lot of crossing of bridges as they come to them. It seems to me both law enforcement and the court system are going out of their way to be sensitive to the A's. Not only are they closely related to both the victim and the accused, but their involvement and entanglement in the investigation, plus the media focus, also seems unprecedented.

I honestly also think Cindy's utter gall and big mouth have created a force field around her that few are eager to penetrate. The A's seem to have lots of folks walking on eggshells. Just my own impression of the situation.

I agree with everything you say. What surprises me is the way the judicial system seems to go outside accepted standards for this family. I can sort of understand law enforcement (well, actually not really) but to me judges should be above, way above, this kind of bending over backwards activity. It sets the worst possible precedent!

[Sun]

Oh lawsy me, I'm befuddled. I thought the release of the video was dependent upon the media filing a request (which I thought was recently done); now comes BC with a motion to withhold the autopsy report. So we have two issues to be decided, right?

Imp, I think you're right that Judge S. will simply issue an order and there will probably not be a hearing on the autopsy report.

Yes you are right.. about the two different issues. Here is a "slimmed down" list of the latest Clerk of Courts records on the Criminal Case.(I removed all entries pertaining to the phone records that Baez wants).

5/27/2009 A MOTION TO AMEND AND SUPPLEMENTAL MOTION TO SEAL THE JAIL VIDEOTAPE TAKEN IN THE MEDICAL FACILITY ON DECEMBER 11, 2008
5/28/2009 A ORANGE COUNTY'S EMERGENCY MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE OF HEARING ON DEFENDANTS MOTION TO AMEND AND SUPPLEMENTAL MOTION TO SEAL THE JAIL VIDEO
5/28/2009 A VERIFIED MOTION FOR ADMISSION TO APPEAR PRO HAC VICE
5/28/2009 A NOTICE OF HEARING FILED <05/27/2009> 8:45 EXPARTE
5/29/2009 A NOTICE OF APPEARANCE FILED ANDREA D. LYON
5/29/2009 A NOTICE OF CERTIFICATION FILED
6/1/2009 A MOTION TO INTERVENE FOR THE LIMITED PUROSE OF OPPOSING DEFENDANT'S MOTION TO SEAL THE JAIL VIDEOTAPE TAKEN IN THE MEDICAL FACILITY ON 12/11/08
6/4/2009 A SUPPLEMENTAL TO VERIFIED MOTION FOR ADMISSION TO APPEAR PRO HAC VICE
6/5/2009 A ORLANDO SENTINEL'S MOTION TO INTERVENE FOR THE LIMITED PURPOSE OF OPPOSING DEFENDANT'S MOTION TO SEAL THE JAIL VIDEOTAPE TAKEN IN THE MEDICAL FACILITY ON DECEMBER 11, 2008.
6/8/2009 A DEFENSE MOTION TO CONTINUE
6/8/2009 A NOTICE OF PROVISION OF SUPPLEMENTAL DISCOVERY
6/10/2009 A SUPPLEMENT TO VERIFIED MOTION FOR ADMISSION TO APPEAR PRO HAC VICE WITH CERTIFICATE OF GOOD STANDING FROM THE STATE BAR OF MICHIGAN FOR ANDREA D LYON ATTACHED.
6/10/2009 A MOTION TO RESTRICT DISCLOSURE
6/11/2009 A NOTICE OF PROVISION OF SUPPLEMENTAL DISCOVERY
6/12/2009 A MOTION TO DEPOSE WITNESSES
6/12/2009 A STATE OF FLORIDA OBJECTION TO DEFENDANT'S MOTION TO CONTINUE FILED JUNE 8, 2009 6/12/2009 A ORDER ON GEORGE AND CINDY ANTHONY'S MOTION TO RESTRICT DISCLOSURE COURT HEREBY ENTERS A TEMPORARY STAY OF THE AUTOPSY FINDINGS AND REPORTS SCHEDULED TO BE RELEASED ON JUNE 12, 2009. THE STAY WILL REMAIN INTACT UNTIL FURTHER DIRECTION FROM THE COURT
6/12/2009 A ORDER GRANTING MOTION FOR ADMISSION TO APPEAR PRO HAC VICE

[Imperfect4]

It strikes me as disingenuous on the A's part to call for privacy, when they have so avidly sought the media spotlight.
At any rate, I believe that Judge Strickland will look to the argument put forth by the media when making his decision.
As we have seen on several rulings, Judge Strickland is a 1st Amendment Rights judge, and he also has trouble with "protecting" information that will be made public in the end.
I expect the autopsy report to be released.
JMHO.

These links are from last Friday,
so many here have will have already seen them.

G&C's motion to block release of autopsy results:
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19727604/detail.html

INTERVIEW: Legal Analyst Bill Sheaffer On Motion To Block Autopsy Release
http://www.wftv.com/video/19738543/index.html

Wow. Sounds like Sheaffer is as fed up with some of this nonsense as we are! :laugh:

[Sun]

C&C are legal guardians of Caylee's remains, according to their motion:

Motion to Restrict Disclosure
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19727604/detail.html

That is how they were able to have Caylee cremated (supposedly), against Casey's wishes.

ETA: I *think* their status as legal guardians of Caylee remains is the means they use to insert themselves into these proceedings.

....however didn't the autopsy would have been conducted BEFORE Caylee's remains were released the any of the Anthonys? Would they have standing to be heard for an event that happening prior to any legal guardianship? Something just doesn't seem right about this, but I have no idea what the laws are on it.

[bchand]

Wow. Sounds like Sheaffer is as fed up with some of this nonsense as we are! :laugh:

It does doesn't it? He says it's a waste of the courts time and he doesn't understand why Conway filed it either.

[Imperfect4]

I agree with everything you say. What surprises me is the way the judicial system seems to go outside accepted standards for this family. I can sort of understand law enforcement (well, actually not really) but to me judges should be above, way above, this kind of bending over backwards activity. It sets the worst possible precedent!

I agree. I'm deferring to the general opinion here on the board that Judge S. is da bomb. I haven't seen too many judges in action, so I'm hardly an expert.

I find myself wishing he was a bit less patient, a bit more forceful (decisive?), and much more motivated not to let stupidity like motions pertaining to the 12/11 video of the OC's reaction drag on and on and on like this.

[sunstar]

I honestly don't know about this, but would LE even want their assistance?

I was wondering the same thing and I'd think not! :smile: MOO

[summer]

I agree. I'm deferring to the general opinion here on the board that Judge S. is da bomb. I haven't seen too many judges in action, so I'm hardly an expert.

I find myself wishing he was a bit less patient, a bit more forceful (decisive?), and much more motivated not to let stupidity like motions pertaining to the 12/11 video of the OC's reaction drag on and on and on like this.

Heh. I'll come over and sit by you. :wub:

[Imperfect4]

It does doesn't it? He says it's a waste of the courts time and he doesn't understand why Conway filed it either.

Yep ... and he thinks they need to get down to the business of trying Casey for the crime(s) she's accused of.

Definitely felt his frustration in that short video! :biggrin:

[AMS]

I just checked the Clerk of Courts records, and so far nothing has yet been filed by the Media, and a court date wouldn't happen until that has been done.

In the comments section of his blog, Hal Boedeker says the Sentinel has filed the motion but no hearing is set. Hopefully this is correct and it will be on-line with the clerk soon.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/06/casey-anthony-what-the-reporters-have-to-say-about-the-story.html



imo

[Imperfect4]

Heh. I'll come over and sit by you. :wub:

There's plenty of room. I'm alone on this bench. :laugh:

[ish]

Bolding mine:

I cannot get over it either and neither will, I think, a jury.

Just the actual photographs of Caylee's skull with the tape around it will be enough., topped with the heart shaped imprint. Sure lots of kids have stickers but all of those heart shaped ones, plus the photos of Caylee posted with the heart photoshopped on it? I know I would never make a good juror because there is not one thing Baez can tell/show me that would make me doubt Casey's guilt. Nothing rings of guilt more than the old " I'm gonna sit in jail for a year or two even though I'm innocent, and then let my lawyers try to smear someone else, without taking the stand myself" song. Yeah we've all heard that before (followed shortly by a guilty verdict)

[spiritwolf46]

C&C are legal guardians of Caylee's remains, according to their motion:

Motion to Restrict Disclosure
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19727604/detail.html

That is how they were able to have Caylee cremated (supposedly), against Casey's wishes.

ETA: I *think* their status as legal guardians of Caylee remains is the means they use to insert themselves into these proceedings.

Ah...thanks Blu. That makes sense.

[trich]

I just checked the Clerk of Courts records, and so far nothing has yet been filed by the Media, and a court date wouldn't happen until that has been done.

I read earlier that the media had made a request but that judge has not scheduled a date for the hearing yet.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/ent...the-story.html

[summer]

I think Strickland got a lot of mileage (good will) out of his "The truth and Ms. Anthony are strangers" quip. I know I thought he was the bees knees when I heard that and basked in the afterglow for months.

He hasn't said anything nearly as interesting in quite a while. :)

[Roux]

Wow. Sounds like Sheaffer is as fed up with some of this nonsense as we are! :laugh:

thanks to blu for posting, as I had not seen that clip. Was tickled pink on Sheaffer's comments.

and many thanks to sun for the listing of motions.:wub:

[Sun]

Sun:

So let me see if I have this right. When the media submits its argument to the court on the autopsy report they automatically have to schedule a hearing date, whether or not it is necessary?

So we are to assume since this matter is not on the court docket that we can see -- that the media has NOT submitted their argument yet?

To answer your first question, the media would only be responding to Conway's Motion to Restrict Disclosure, so would not be the one to set any hearing if Judge Strickland decides one is needed (which he will decide once he see what the media's response is, I suppose).

Because it is not yet showing up on the Clerk of Courts records, we can only assume that it has, either not been filed, or if it has, data entry into their files hasn't been done.

[desmom]

Sun,

What sort of response by the media would be required, do you know? Phone calls? Faxes? An official court document?

Might be a silly question, but I honestly don't know. :confused:

Judge Strickland's order http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19728765/detail.html

Pending formal notice to the media, including the Orlando Sentinel, this Court will enter a temporary stay of the autopsy reports and findings set to be released. Following a written response to the motion by interested media the Court will either rule on the pleadings or set a hearing as necessary.

[Imperfect4]

I think Strickland got a lot of mileage (good will) out of his "The truth and Ms. Anthony are strangers" quip. I know I thought he was the bees knees when I heard that and basked in the afterglow for months.

He hasn't said anything nearly as interesting in quite a while. :)

:laugh:

Both he and the criminal case judge (Rodriguez, I believe is his name) have made reference to all the "foreclosure" cases they're hearing. Sounds like the OrLawnDoe court system is bogged down. I think that might be partly why things seem to be in a stall both in the criminal case and the civil suit.

[Roux]

Just the actual photographs of Caylee's skull with the tape around it will be enough., topped with the heart shaped imprint. Sure lots of kids have stickers but all of those heart shaped ones, plus the photos of Caylee posted with the heart photoshopped on it? I know I would never make a good juror because there is not one thing Baez can tell/show me that would make me doubt Casey's guilt. Nothing rings of guilt more than the old " I'm gonna sit in jail for a year or two even though I'm innocent, and then let my lawyers try to smear someone else, without taking the stand myself" song. Yeah we've all heard that before (followed shortly by a guilty verdict)

You know, didn't BC on some morning show appearance or LK claim there was no tape around Caylee's mouth? Seems I recall that, but yet I recently heard an audio clip wherein RK said he just found a skull with tape around the mouth. Somehow, I believe Mr. Kronk on this one.

If my memory is faulty, someone can correct me.

[Imperfect4]

Judge Strickland's order http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19728765/detail.html

Pening formal notice to the media, including the Orlando Sentinel, this Court will enter a temporary stay of the autopsy reports and findings set to be released. Following a written response to the motion by interested media the Court will either rule on the pleadings or set a hearing as necessary.

Thank you, links goddess. :wub:

That's what I remember reading.

[summer]

Thanks, Sun.

[TunaMelt]

The A's and/or BC seem to have advance copies of all discovery. I just assumed it was all above board.

I think it is aboveboard.
Or it's from Baez.
And that's probably not kosher but I have to wonder if that doesn't happen regularly.

I think Conway and Baez work hand in hand.
I think they always have.

:mellow:

[Sun]

In the comments section of his blog, Hal Boedeker says the Sentinel has filed the motion but no hearing is set. Hopefully this is correct and it will be on-line with the clerk soon.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/06/casey-anthony-what-the-reporters-have-to-say-about-the-story.html



imo

"HEY HAL..

HAS THE ORLANDO SENTINEL FILED A MOTION YET TO RELEASE 1) THE AUTOPSY RESULTS AND 2) JAIL VIDEO?

IF SO, WHEN WILL THE HEARING TAKE PLACE..

THANKS IVOIRE

HAL'S NOTE: A colleague says we have filed the motion, but no hearing has been set.

Posted by: IVOIRE | June 15, 2009 at 01:54 PM"

[*MoonRider*]

I can’t stop thinking of Caylee today. One year ago today she only had a few precious hours to live. As a Mother, I cannot envision taking your child’s lifeless body and placing her in a garbage bag, putting duct tape and a heart sticker over her mouth and tossing her into the woods. The thought of that continues to haunt me. Her actions prove to me that this was not an accident but cold and calculated murder. No matter how much the A’s want to silence Caylee, her little voice will speak volumes in the courtroom. moo RIP Caylee:rose:

[summer]

I think it is aboveboard.
Or it's from Baez.
And that's probably not kosher but I have to wonder if that doesn't happen regularly.

I think Conway and Baez work hand in hand.
I think they always have.

:mellow:

ITA. I don't think the two camps are estranged at all. At least not yet. No matter whether they look at each other in court anymore, it's obvious they're still thick as thieves.

[spiritwolf46]

In the comments section of his blog, Hal Boedeker says the Sentinel has filed the motion but no hearing is set. Hopefully this is correct and it will be on-line with the clerk soon.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/06/casey-anthony-what-the-reporters-have-to-say-about-the-story.html



imo

Thank you AMS! :seeya:

[Imperfect4]

You know, didn't BC on some morning show appearance or LK claim there was no tape around Caylee's mouth? Seems I recall that, but yet I recently heard an audio clip wherein RK said he just found a skull with tape around the mouth. Somehow, I believe Mr. Kronk on this one.

If my memory is faulty, someone can correct me.

There's been lots of back-and-forth regarding the placement of the duct tape.

IIRC (and someone please correct me if I'm wrong), there is a document we've seen which states the jaw was still attached to the skull (which I guess isn't the norm as a body decomposes -- the jaw bone(s) typically fall away) because of the placement of the duct tape. There was also a good deal of hair which had slipped from the skull (I'm so sorry for these graphic details), and the duct tape had to be cut away from it. The picture I get from that is the duct tape was most definitely around the lower portion of Caylee's face, possibly over her nose, and possibly wrapped entirely around her head. (Again, so sorry for the graphic depiction.)

[bluwaters]

I agree with everything you say. What surprises me is the way the judicial system seems to go outside accepted standards for this family. I can sort of understand law enforcement (well, actually not really) but to me judges should be above, way above, this kind of bending over backwards activity. It sets the worst possible precedent!

I think that Judge Strickland is following the law.
To date, he has ruled fairly on motions before him regarding this case.
He is very careful to make certain that all facts are in and all parties involved have their say before making a ruling.

His order to temporarily stay the release of the autopsy results is scathing in it's criticism of Conway:
Order on George and Cindy Anthony's Motion to Restrict Disclosure
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19728765/detail.html

Strickland makes it clear in his order that it is the media who are the true parties of interest in the release of the autopsy results.

I have yet to see any order from Judge Strickland that grants special treatment of any sort to the Anthony's.

I do think that he is very cautious in striding through all of the BS not to step into any himself. He strikes me as being very concerned that the court's proper focus on the case not be swayed off course by the sideshow.

[~layla~]

Question.. for everybody!! :biggrin:

okay so, in light of all the threads started by one poster .... each being a question of other posters thoughts..... isnt that against the whole one thread a day thing we voted on .... at least until trial.

personally I like the one thread gig, and most are polite when questions are re-asked because no one can be here to read the whole thread each day....

just wonderin what the correct thing was ....


In rememberence of Caylee... RIP angel.

[ish]

C&C are legal guardians of Caylee's remains, according to their motion:

Motion to Restrict Disclosure
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19727604/detail.html

That is how they were able to have Caylee cremated (supposedly), against Casey's wishes.

ETA: I *think* their status as legal guardians of Caylee remains is the means they use to insert themselves into these proceedings.

remembering back to Caylee's memorial, the statement that Baez read from Casey, the wording of that statement was so different from the usual manner she has of speaking, it seemed more like something a young girl would write as opposed to Casey 's more "psuedo intelligent" patter that she had with the detectives and others. Of course it could have been just Baez's poor reading skills that made it appear that way.
:rolleyes: but at the time I thought it gave some insight into the long standing battle over Caylee and whose child she really was. I mean Cindy just totally dissed anything Casey had wanted. and that seemed strange from a mother who believes her daughter to be "innocent"