June 13 & 14 weekend thread

[Lavinia]

Wouldn't the Dr. have to refer to any medical records to show it couldn't have been a natural death?

Of course no baby kills itself and then stuffs its own body into three bags and hops into a deserted trash heap but...

... still just to dot the i's and cross the t's seems like the baby's records would be included.

It may be summer. I've read a number of autopsies and haven't seen the patients other medical records attached as addendum, but I'm not an expert, that's for sure!

[~layla~]

Nope, I didn't see a Silva.. :thumbdown:


O/T, how do I bold in someone's post? tia

highlight what you want emphasis on.... or responding to... then click on the "B" at the top of the message under 'fonts'

[summer]

It may be summer. I've read a number of autopsies and haven't seen the patients other medical records attached as addendum, but I'm not an expert, that's for sure!

Me neither, Lavinia! (but you sure are smart). :)

[adair]

Gert, Caylee was found at 8900 Suburban Drive, Orlando Fl. Just to clarify for you. Hopespring is the steet the Anthonys live on.


Then add this little tidbit regarding kc saying follow zfg to the tee.

Here is something really interesting on SM....oh and the link might help you to understand what I am babbling about..lol

link:

http://community.discovery.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/3581916879/m/9331947999

[Lavinia]

Nope, I didn't see a Silva.. :thumbdown:


O/T, how do I bold in someone's post? tia

When you quote them, go and highlight what you want to bold with your cursor, and look at the top of the box where it says, "Fonts, sizes" and has a lot of symbols. You should see a "B" an "I" and a "U". The "B" stands for "bold", click it. (The "I" is "italics", the "U" is "underline.)

[AlohaRainbow]

I can't find the Witness list either.. Help anyone?
i'm thinking that dr g obtained caylee's medical records... perhaps by the state and/or directly by the medical examiner's office issuing a subpoena duces tecum (subpoena to produce records), in which case baez would have gotten a "notice" of the sdt. (usually all parties would get a notice so that if anyone wanted to object, they could have filed a motion to block the release of the records).

iirc, and it was some time ago (months, but can't remember how many, but i know it was after the remains were found), there was a "speculative" thread here about caylee having a possible genetic disease that could account for a death by "natural" means. my assumption at the time was that someone somewhere had started a rumor after learning that caylee's medical records had been subpoenaed.

dr g is too thorough of a professional, imo, not to have requested to review caylee's medical records just to make absolutely certain that no serious or potentially lethal medical condition existed.. before she could reach her conclusion of "homicide"

eta - almost forgot the point of this long post! my point was that the pediatrician may or may not need to be named as a witness, but if caylee's medical records have been produced to dr g, it's possible that the "custodian of records" of dr pediatrician could be named as witness (to authenticate the records).

[Chardonnay]

highlight what you want emphasis on.... or responding to... then click on the "B" at the top of the message under 'fonts'

O/T.. Testing to see if I bolded right.

ETA, Drat, it didn't work. Thanks anyways..

[seeing_eye]

i would think that caylee's medical records would be something that dr g would obtainfor review as part of her comprehensive report, e.g. did caylee have any heart, asthma or any other medical conditions that could even *conceivably* have contributed to a 'natural' death. i wouldn't be surprised to see a brief review of caylee's health history included in her report.

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Aha! Maybe that's the reason C&G don't want the autopsy report made public? Maybe it shows she had no health history. Or maybe she did, and it's not good.

[Lavinia]

Me neither, Lavinia! (but you sure are smart). :)

Thanks summer. Just been around the block a few times, lol. :wink:

[~layla~]

O/T.. Testing to see if I bolded right.

ETA, Drat, it didn't work. Thanks anyways..

/try again

highlight "try again" and then click on the B

then AFTER the quote notation... put your response.

[Lavinia]

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Aha! Maybe that's the reason C&G don't want the autopsy report made public? Maybe it shows she had no health history. Or maybe she did, and it's not good.

That's why I've been so curious about Caylee's pedi or Dr. records from the beginning, SE. The Dr. should be either a definite part of the PROS, OR the defense (to show what a loving, attentive and dutiful mother Casey was to get Caylee all the proper care a child should have).

[sunstar]

It may be summer. I've read a number of autopsies and haven't seen the patients other medical records attached as addendum, but I'm not an expert, that's for sure!

The only ones I've read were where the victim obviously died of the injuries sustained so the past medical history was irrelevant. I haven't followed a case where there's any question as to how the victim died. MOO


eta ~ except Anna Nicole. oops!

[desmom]

Didnt Casey work for Kodak when she was pregnant with Caylee... took a leave and didnt go back?
also.... did Casey ever really work for Universal?

Yes Casey worked for Kodak aka Event Imaging Solutions.

[adair]

Cindy wanted to hand over 'selective' receipts. they wanted the account statements.......she didnt turn them over after being asked repeatedly to do so. (thus, identifying for LE her level of cooperation, they would need a warrant if they didnt willingly turn them over)..... first she says to YM in her interview, Ive checked it (Pennys), there is nothing on it.......

Yuri calls her on it and says 'we know she has been all over the place with the card".... (Cindy didnt know they had a video from JC Penny of her and Tony)...after Yuri's response, she then lays blame on Lee, SECONDS LATER after saying there was nothing on them. LEE HAS THEM, he was supposed to give them to you.

pack of wolves. all of them.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*


And that information If i am correct has not been released yet??

[101Spots]

I got news for Brad, the only thing that would raise peoples opinions of Casey at this point was if she broke out with stigmata marks and walked on water to the jail shower.

Not for me. With her history of lying, I'd check for red marker ink stains and water wings.

[~layla~]

Yes Casey worked for Kodak aka Event Imaging Solutions.

So that is how she paid for Caylees birth.... but Im guessing there are plenty of uncollected med bills out there if she was required to pay co pays... which most of us are.

[Lavinia]

p.s. I don't think there was any doctor. I think there were no well baby checks or immunizations. Caylee was neglected in all fundamental ways, to save a buck.

She did have plenty of sunglasses and stuffed animals and her room looked like it was decorated by a really crummy model home designer - totally phony and not specific to her.

Sunglasses and toys: J.C. Penny card

Real care and attention: priceless and non-existent.

IMO

Gosh, I remember when I didn't have 2 nickels to rub together, but my babies went to the pedi. even if I didn't eat. I'm anxious to see what the deal is on this subject.

[AlohaRainbow]

Oh I think it will be used in Dr. G's investigation, AR, but I don't *think* that will be released as a part of the autopsy. IOW, I don't think we will get the actual prior medical records of Caylee's so much as Dr. G's interpretation of them. (But I guess they can. :shrug:)

ETA: Does anyone else remember there being some talk about a *genetic* cause of death (that was one of the reasons the defense was wanting to perform the autopsy, IIRC.)

gmta! :tongueside:
i just posted that i recalled a thread that included speculation about a genetic disease

[Lavinia]

Not for me. With her history of lying, I'd check for red marker ink stains and water wings.

AMEN! :laugh:

[summer]

The only ones I've read were where the victim obviously died of the injuries sustained so the past medical history was irrelevant. I haven't followed a case where there's any question as to how the victim died. MOO


eta ~ except Anna Nicole. oops!

Interesting -- I've never read one or paid much attention until now but you'd think there would ALWAYS be medical records for a homicide investigation - simply to show possible extenuating circumstances favoring the defense:

"Your honor, ok, I hit him in the head with a tire iron 100 times but he was gonna die any day now anyway!!! Look at that high cholesterol level!!!"

Or something... .:)

[8BellesFan]

Not for me. With her history of lying, I'd check for red marker ink stains and water wings.



lolol, borrowed marker of course...

[Chardonnay]

/try again

highlight "try again" and then click on the B

then AFTER the quote notation... put your response.

O/T testing again..

Yeah ! Thanks !

[summer]

Really OT - But Cher's daughter, Chastity, is having a sex change operation. Her name is now Chaz. :ohmy:

[adair]

No one in the A family can agree on the nanny's description:

In Cindy's depo re: the civil suit, she pointed at ZG and said, "She not 25 years old. She's not 5'7". She's not 140 pounds. She doesn't have black hair. She doesn't have perfect teeth. She's not a ten." (page 81 http://www.forthepeople.com/CAnthony-Depo.pdf )

In George's depo re the civil suit, he said, "Number one is the Zanny that my daughter described to me is 24 to 25 years old, about 5 foot 7, 125, 130 pounds. She had straight white teeth, long brown hair. On a scale of one to ten, she's a ten, supposedly." ( page 26 http://www.forthepeople.com/GAnthony-Depo.pdf )

Too ME it sounded like G was describing kc....I think kc is shorter.....but i also thought the description of the car was interesting isnt that similar to one of the bars, or clubs they frequented?

moo

Can you imagine Cindy watching G depo....I bet her bp was so high she was about to stroke out.......jmo.

[Lavinia]

The only ones I've read were where the victim obviously died of the injuries sustained so the past medical history was irrelevant. I haven't followed a case where there's any question as to how the victim died. MOO


eta ~ except Anna Nicole. oops!

The way the ones I have read might be worded is, "Patient's previous records with Dr. Smith show no contributory medical information to determine COD." Or, "Patient's records with Dr. Dan Smith show an ongoing problem with pancreatitis and esophageal varices, combined with elevated liver function studies which indicate a high likelihood of chronic alcoholism suggested by the presence of several empty 1 liter liquor bottles found in the decedent's hotel room. Patient was also hospitalized at St. Joseph Hospital in 1988 attended by Dr. Jones with symptoms and treatment of delirum tremors." I just don't remember the actual records of Dr. Smith's being included but I may be "disremembering" (new word). It does seem like it should be part of the record to support the ME's record, so I probably am not remembering accurately.

[happygert]

Gert, Caylee was found at 8900 Suburban Drive, Orlando Fl. Just to clarify for you. Hopespring is the steet the Anthonys live on.

Sorry you are right about the suburban drive. wasnt it on hopesprings and surburban... so sorry...

[seeing_eye]

Gosh, I remember when I didn't have 2 nickels to rub together, but my babies went to the pedi. even if I didn't eat. I'm anxious to see what the deal is on this subject.

I had 3 daughters and all 3 had medical issues when they were toddlers before school - colds, fevers, respiratory illnesses. And if they weren't sick they still had well baby exams. I presume Caylee had a similar history.

[AlohaRainbow]

I got news for Brad, the only thing that would raise peoples opinions of Casey at this point was if she broke out with stigmata marks and walked on water to the jail shower.

:w00t: :laugh:

[Sun]

Here is a summary of Casey's work records "after" Caylee's birth. I really do wonder about if she even had benefits at all after Caylee's birth, as these amounts don't really seem like they amount to fulltime employment.

Event Imaging Solutions - 3201 e colonial dr, orlando fl
4th quarter 2005 Wages $1,408
1st quarter 2006 Wages $2,518

copies of amscot check cashing records work paychecks
http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/1126/18155477.pdf

[happygert]

I hadn't thought of him being blamed by Casey for the murder, but he definitely could've been named an accomplice if he were caught there by LE. :scared: MOO

Yep wouldn't put anything past her....

[CelticDawn]

The guy flat-out lies in interviews. Lies by commission and ommission. He's a flippin' liar. There I said it. JMO Brad, JMO.

ITA!!!! He is IMO a liar and not a very nice person. Just as conniving and perpetrating as THEY are......and its NOT like he has to either

......Its not like he has an emotional investment in seeing Justice for Caylee either...He has no emotional or spiritual attachment to caylee and to say that he "as an officer of the court bla bla bla" and try to come off as such a nice guy MAKES ME SICK!!!....He is just NO GOOD .....IMO.

[Sun]

If I was being given a test, I'd say that the reference to "Casey saying Dr. Silva was Caylee's Dr." would be in the interview that LE had with Casey at Universal. Before she was arrested.

I'm not going to go back and re-listen to it.... I'm done for the day. I was up at 4 a.m. and that was way too early.

[AlohaRainbow]

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Aha! Maybe that's the reason C&G don't want the autopsy report made public? Maybe it shows she had no health history. Or maybe she did, and it's not good.
it certainly would be very telling if dr g had to write in her report that there were NO medical records for caylee because she had never been taken by the "mother of the year" for well baby checks by a pediatrician

[Chardonnay]

I had 3 daughters and all 3 had medical issues when they were toddlers before school - colds, fevers, respiratory illnesses. And if they weren't sick they still had well baby exams. I presume Caylee had a similar history.

And the most common of childhood illnesses are Ear Infections! That was the case in my family. If Caylee didn't have one in her 34 months, I'd would think she was abnormal in that sense. jmo of course.

[TunaMelt]

Originally Posted by summer :
p.s. I don't think there was any doctor. I think there were no well baby checks or immunizations. Caylee was neglected in all fundamental ways, to save a buck.


ITA summer.

I don't think was a regular pediatrician, in the way that we might think of one.

At age 2+ what vaccinations is she required to have? And if she didn't get them, who would know or care, unless/until she went to preschool or even kindergarten.

Also, a regular ped. would have caught on to her pallid coloring, too pale, dark circles. She looked very pale for a little girl her age -- especially one who lives in Florida.

He would order tests, if there was a regular ped., I'm sure of it. Caylee might have been anemic, and if she acted druggy or tired, a regular doctor would notice that and would do tests to find out why. And if you think about it: if KC were doing what I think she was doing to Caylee, to keep her quiet and out of the way, the last place she'd take Caylee was to a doctor. She'd say she did, but she wouldn't do it, you know? She'd um lie about it.:ohmy: Imagine that.


No doctor, IMO.
:mellow:

[Lavinia]

Here is a summary of Casey's work records "after" Caylee's birth. I really do wonder about if she even had benefits at all after Caylee's birth, as these amounts don't really seem like they amount to fulltime employment.

Event Imaging Solutions - 3201 e colonial dr, orlando fl
4th quarter 2005 Wages $1,408
1st quarter 2006 Wages $2,518

copies of amscot check cashing records work paychecks
http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/1126/18155477.pdf

Shoot, the insurance benefits would surpass her earnings by far if she got benefits with that low of an income. Lordy mercy, we pay a fortune for us in insurance premiums every month.

[CelticDawn]

the Anthony's don't want the autopsy results released because it would unduly prejudice Casey



YEAH RIIIIGHT!!!


they just want to be CONTRARY and feel entitled!!!


IF THOSE AUTOPSY RESULTS DO NOT SHOW ANY EVIDENCE CASEY .....as they said before in one of their driveling bouts of mindless rambling banter,.....then HOW CAN THEY BE PREJUDICIAL??????

[~layla~]

And the most common of childhood illnesses are Ear Infections! That was the case in my family. If Caylee didn't have one in her 34 months, I'd would think she was abnormal in that sense. jmo of course.

me too.
BUT in that abnormal way.. the kid was never in public care.... So it isnt too unlikely that Cindy could/would provide certain meds ... and antibiotics are easily obtained from her employer... or the fact she is an RN so she can call in the Rx herself under her supervising doc and he/she would never know ...

[~layla~]

Shoot, the insurance benefits would surpass her earnings by far if she got benefits with that low of an income. Lordy mercy, we pay a fortune for us in insurance premiums every month.

She would have qualified for medicaid .... 2 person household (Casey and Caylee would be considered their own immediate family) would need to make about 1500 bring home in order for her to be denied medicaid. G&C's income/tax return/home ownership would make no difference in Casey recieving aid from the state for Caylee.

Also she would get WIC for child under 6 .... and other programs. The thing is Casey would have had to actually do the paperwork, file the forms, and go to the required classes/meetings. You re-up every 6 months.

[summer]

Originally Posted by summer :
p.s. I don't think there was any doctor. I think there were no well baby checks or immunizations. Caylee was neglected in all fundamental ways, to save a buck.


ITA summer.

I don't think was a regular pediatrician, in the way that we might think of one.

At age 2+ what vaccinations is she required to have? And if she didn't get them, who would know or care, unless/until she went to preschool or even kindergarten.

Also, a regular ped. would have caught on to her pallid coloring, too pale, dark circles. He'd do tests, if there was a regular ped., I'm sure of it. Caylee might have been anemic, and if she were druggy or tired, a regular doctor would notice that and would do tests to find out why.

She looked very pale for a little girl her age -- especially one who lives in Florida.

No doctor, IMO.
:mellow:

OMG you're right. It was about keeping the family's secrets away from any professional!

I don't have children, but my friends with babies have had their children immunized way before age 2 1/2 - at least started the process.

And Livinia, in my leaner days I'd go without so my pets could see the vet. I can't imagine, if money was the issue, the A's not moving heaven and earth to have Caylee checked out. Sell a car, for cryin' out loud. They have enough of them!

[desmom]

If I was being given a test, I'd say that the reference to "Casey saying Dr. Silva was Caylee's Dr." would be in the interview that LE had with Casey at Universal. Before she was arrested.

I'm not going to go back and re-listen to it.... I'm done for the day. I was up at 4 a.m. and that was way too early.

page 138 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3868229/guide-to-casey-anthony-documents-orlando-sentinel

[desmom]

Shoot, the insurance benefits would surpass her earnings by far if she got benefits with that low of an income. Lordy mercy, we pay a fortune for us in insurance premiums every month.

Based those wages, IMO, she did not work enough hours to qualify for benefits.

[8BellesFan]

here you can get immunizations at the county health department with proper ID for free. I don't think she had a regular ped. she said Caylee had never had more than a cold or two. made me think she was not taken for wellness visits.

[8BellesFan]

Based those wages, IMO, she did not work enough hours to qualify for benefits.


It's just one more giant fish story by Cindy. IMO.

[Lavinia]

I had 3 daughters and all 3 had medical issues when they were toddlers before school - colds, fevers, respiratory illnesses. And if they weren't sick they still had well baby exams. I presume Caylee had a similar history.

Especially a first kid, IMO. Man, there is a TON of info that is done at a well baby exam. The medical staff is looking for all kinds of things you don't even realize during a visit. Is the baby's muscle tone good and even, skin color, hydration, appropriate reflexes are VERY important and change very quickly during infancy, new ones starting and old ones abating. Fontanelles changing, ear, vision, digestive, urinary, oh gosh, I could go on forever. Infancy is SUCH an important time to get good medical care, if you never do again. There are so many diseases and disorders that can be caught and treated before they become chronic or fatal. It makes me sick IF she didn't get Dr. visits.

I noticed in Michelle Murphy's statement, she said *Casey* always complaining of being sick. :rolleyes: Me, me, me.

[seeing_eye]

me too.
BUT in that abnormal way.. the kid was never in public care.... So it isnt too unlikely that Cindy could/would provide certain meds ... and antibiotics are easily obtained from her employer... or the fact she is an RN so she can call in the Rx herself under her supervising doc and he/she would never know ...

From what I can see so far about this case, Casey did not provide any monetary support for Caylee in any way, fashion, or form. So if medical care was provided, or not provided, it would have been Cindy's decision. JMO

[summer]

Especially a first kid, IMO. Man, there is a TON of info that is done at a well baby exam. The medical staff is looking for all kinds of things you don't even realize during a visit. Is the baby's muscle tone good and even, skin color, hydration, appropriate reflexes are VERY important and change very quickly during infancy, new ones starting and old ones abating. Fontanelles changing, ear, vision, digestive, urinary, oh gosh, I could go on forever. Infancy is SUCH an important time to get good medical care, if you never do again. There are so many diseases and disorders that can be caught and treated before they become chronic or fatal. It makes me sick IF she didn't get Dr. visits.

I noticed in Michelle Murphy's statement, she said *Casey* always complaining of being sick. :rolleyes: Me, me, me.

There was negligible pre-natal care as well. Had to be if the pregnancy wasn't even acknowledged for 7 months. Set the tone right there. Cindy's a nurse of nothing!

[desmom]

She would have qualified for medicaid .... 2 person household (Casey and Caylee would be considered their own immediate family) would need to make about 1500 bring home in order for her to be denied medicaid. G&C's income/tax return/home ownership would make no difference in Casey recieving aid from the state for Caylee.

Also she would get WIC for child under 6 .... and other programs. The thing is Casey would have had to actually do the paperwork, file the forms, and go to the required classes/meetings. You re-up every 6 months.

WIC is based on total household income. Casey would also have to show Caylee's immunization records per http://www.doh.state.fl.us/family/wic/pages/program_info/eligibility.htm

[Sun]

Originally Posted by Sun
If I was being given a test, I'd say that the reference to "Casey saying Dr. Silva was Caylee's Dr." would be in the interview that LE had with Casey at Universal. Before she was arrested.

I'm not going to go back and re-listen to it.... I'm done for the day. I was up at 4 a.m. and that was way too early.
page 138 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3868229/guide-to-casey-anthony-documents-orlando-sentinel

Desmom.... You are amazing! Someday, early some morning I'm going to have to ask you how you can find things so quickly. I like to learn something new every day.

[Lavinia]

OMG you're right. It was about keeping the family's secrets away from any professional!

I don't have children, but my friends with babies have had their children immunized way before age 2 1/2 - at least started the process.

And Livinia, in my leaner days I'd go without so my pets could see the vet. I can't imagine, if money was the issue, the A's not moving heaven and earth to have Caylee checked out. Sell a car, for cryin' out loud. They have enough of them!

No kidding! We were really poor with kid #1 and I used an old wringer washer and hung clothes out to dry. We ate soybean burritos and whole wheat pasta with wheat germ and soy sauce for dinner (YUMMY! barf) I didn't have a car, or a TV, or a telephone. We lived in a 1 room house with the shower downstairs under the house in an outside SHED! (It was a beach house.) I listened to an AM radio while I was home all day breastfeeding the baby. Casey is living higher on the hog in JAIL, than I did when my first kid was a baby, but my son sure got his medical care ON TIME and any time I had a question. I am getting so riled up! :cursing:

[happygert]

ITA!!!! He is IMO a liar and not a very nice person. Just as conniving and perpetrating as THEY are......and its NOT like he has to either

......Its not like he has an emotional investment in seeing Justice for Caylee either...He has no emotional or spiritual attachment to caylee and to say that he "as an officer of the court bla bla bla" and try to come off as such a nice guy MAKES ME SICK!!!....He is just NO GOOD .....IMO.

ITA!! birds of a feather flock together.. I know I sure wouldn't want him for a lawyer.. Hope hes making a lot of money he's gonna need it when the a's are done with him..Mr. NeJame did the smart thing and bailed.. IMO he wanted to keep his dignity and his REPUTATION..When he finally realized what the as were about he wanted NO PART of them or there money.. or should I say Caylee's blood money.. TOO BAD there isnt others like him...IIRC correctly he said something about if they lied to him he'd be gone..(paraphrasing)

Now brad is just as big as liar as the a's and jb is.. look right straight at you and lie.....

[Lavinia]

There was negligible pre-natal care as well. Had to be if the pregnancy wasn't even acknowledged for 7 months. Set the tone right there. Cindy's a nurse of nothing!

I noticed the one sonogram I have seen of Caylee in utero (the one that was in that photo collage) was of a far along pregnancy, like 7 months by the appearance. I can't wait for the truth of all this to come out.

[~layla~]

WIC is based on total household income. Casey would also have to show Caylee's immunization records per http://www.doh.state.fl.us/family/wic/pages/program_info/eligibility.htm

Oh yeah! I forgot I had to provide all the documentation of my kids medical history for benefits. (its been a long time since I filled out papers for such) They do require you to be on top of all that stuff because it cuts down on medical costs.

And Cindy would not have been able to obtain anything for Caylee because they would want parents there.... she also would have to tell them about the father. You must provide info if you know it.

[summer]

No kidding! We were really poor with kid #1 and I used an old wringer washer and hung clothes out to dry. We ate soybean burritos and whole wheat pasta with wheat germ and soy sauce for dinner (YUMMY! barf) I didn't have a car, or a TV, or a telephone. We lived in a 1 room house with the shower downstairs under the house in an outside SHED! (It was a beach house.) I listened to an AM radio while I was home all day breastfeeding the baby. Casey is living higher on the hog in JAIL, than I did when my first kid was a baby, but my son sure got his medical care ON TIME and any time I had a question. I am getting so riled up! :cursing:

I bet you have some great memories of those early days. Sounds challenging but interesting and fun. Bless your heart. :wub:

[sunstar]

Interesting -- I've never read one or paid much attention until now but you'd think there would ALWAYS be medical records for a homicide investigation - simply to show possible extenuating circumstances favoring the defense:

"Your honor, ok, I hit him in the head with a tire iron 100 times but he was gonna die any day now anyway!!! Look at that high cholesterol level!!!"

Or something... .:)

Oh I'm sure medical records are reviewed but a lot of times in a murder case they aren't a big part of the trial. And in this case, I just don't see the defense getting very far if they try to say that Caylee died of some illness or whatever when she appeared perfectly healthy in the Fathers' Day video. :sad: MOO

[desmom]

Desmom.... You are amazing! Someday, early some morning I'm going to have to ask you how you can find things so quickly. I like to learn something new every day.

That one was easy. We have 3 interview transcripts with Casey - 1 wee hours of July 16 (at home), 1 the afternoon of July 16 (at Universal) and the one when LE picked her up after the grand jury indictment.

[seeing_eye]

No kidding! We were really poor with kid #1 and I used an old wringer washer and hung clothes out to dry. We ate soybean burritos and whole wheat pasta with wheat germ and soy sauce for dinner (YUMMY! barf) I didn't have a car, or a TV, or a telephone. We lived in a 1 room house with the shower downstairs under the house in an outside SHED! (It was a beach house.) I listened to an AM radio while I was home all day breastfeeding the baby. Casey is living higher on the hog in JAIL, than I did when my first kid was a baby, but my son sure got his medical care ON TIME and any time I had a question. I am getting so riled up! :cursing:

Lavinia, I didn't live in a beach house and eat soybean burritos, but we did live in a garage apartment behind a main house and ate red beans, fried potatoes and corn bread and was glad to get that. I didn't have a wringer washer either. Washed diapers in the bath tub. But I never skimped on medical care for my kids just as I don't now skimp on medical care for my dogs. I sure hope Cindy made sure Caylee had adequate medical care.

[summer]

Oh I'm sure medical records are reviewed but a lot of times in a murder case they aren't a big part of the trial. And in this case, I just don't see the defense getting very far if they try to say that Caylee died of some illness or whatever when she appeared perfectly healthy in the Fathers' Day video. :sad: MOO

I understand. So if there were medical records they would've been reviewed but not necessarily put into the autopsy report. Makes sense. And I guess if there was no doctor it would be the prosecution's call to show that type of neglect at trial. And I do believe it to be a form of neglect.

Thanks!

[happygert]

here you can get immunizations at the county health department with proper ID for free. I don't think she had a regular ped. she said Caylee had never had more than a cold or two. made me think she was not taken for wellness visits.

casey probably told mommy she needed money to take Caylee to dr . then went shopping at target or partying at the bars.. IIRC cindy on her myspace page said she paid for everythng for Caylee including med bills..

[8BellesFan]

There was negligible pre-natal care as well. Had to be if the pregnancy wasn't even acknowledged for 7 months. Set the tone right there. Cindy's a nurse of nothing!

This poor kid was kinda doomded from day one. Nobody put her first on a list ever it seems.

[crimeq]

Especially a first kid, IMO. Man, there is a TON of info that is done at a well baby exam. The medical staff is looking for all kinds of things you don't even realize during a visit. Is the baby's muscle tone good and even, skin color, hydration, appropriate reflexes are VERY important and change very quickly during infancy, new ones starting and old ones abating. Fontanelles changing, ear, vision, digestive, urinary, oh gosh, I could go on forever. Infancy is SUCH an important time to get good medical care, if you never do again. There are so many diseases and disorders that can be caught and treated before they become chronic or fatal. It makes me sick IF she didn't get Dr. visits.

I noticed in Michelle Murphy's statement, she said *Casey* always complaining of being sick. :rolleyes: Me, me, me.

"It hurts to swallow." :rolleyes:

[GumShoeJoe]

I think it's pretty interesting that Brad Conway on the Today Show (this morning?) states the Anthony's don't want the autopsy results released because it would unduly prejudice Casey -- and yet I understand his motion states the reason as being the causing of grief to the family. Which is it?

I think Conway told the truth on the air and lied in his motion. Surprise surprise! It's okay to lie if you're not under oath, and then it's okay to lie then too -- if you're an extra special Anthony!

I wish the media would show this clip from the Today Show as proof of motive as to why they want the autopsy sealed before trial. Anyway, IMO, the Judge is going to let it be released through the sunshine laws next week, as soon as he reads the media's motion - I don't even think there will be a hearing on the matter.


They why aren't Casey's attorneys filing the motion, if they think it would unduly prejudice people????

(May I add I have never seen such a case whereindeed the prejudice seems to be DUE her.)

[CelticDawn]

This poor kid was kinda doomded from day one. Nobody put her first on a list ever it seems.

nobody in THAT den of .....put her on ANY list for any reason it seems to me.

[Lavinia]

Lavinia, I didn't live in a beach house and eat soybean burritos, but we did live in a garage apartment behind a main house and ate red beans, fried potatoes and corn bread and was glad to get that. I didn't have a wringer washer either. Washed diapers in the bath tub. But I never skimped on medical care for my kids just as I don't now skimp on medical care for my dogs. I sure hope Cindy made sure Caylee had adequate medical care.

I sure hope this is just something we aren't aware of yet and not something else that was missing from that baby's life under the watchful eyes of THREE adults who didn't seem to want for anything. I would say there are many of us out there who did the same as you and I did. Poor but proud.

[Lavinia]

"It hurts to swallow." :rolleyes:

:punch: :laugh:

[happygert]

Just another thought I know when my kids were little they gave me a record of every immunizations they got.. had to keep records so when they went to school you could prove they had all shots.. Somewhere if Caylee had her shots there would be a record.. even if she went to the health dept.. everyone has to keep those records..

[8BellesFan]

nobody in THAT den of .....put her on ANY list for any reason it seems to me.

maybe on the list of entertainment...she was fun to video from time to time

[summer]

This poor kid was kinda doomded from day one. Nobody put her first on a list ever it seems.

ITA. The first time I saw pictures of her I thought her eyes screamed "I'm doomed". And no subsequent pics changed my mind. Her smile was tight, controlled and forced. No glee, no joy. It's almost like she eerily sensed her fate.

[summer]

:seeya: Goodnight, all. Thanks for the good chat.

[Lavinia]

I bet you have some great memories of those early days. Sounds challenging but interesting and fun. Bless your heart. :wub:

I have kind of romanticised those days, summer. I wouldn't take a million dollars for my experiences but I SURE don't want to go through them again! Momma got comfortable, lol.

[Lavinia]

:seeya: Goodnight, all. Thanks for the good chat.

Good night Summer! :seeya:

[Lavinia]

Just another thought I know when my kids were little they gave me a record of every immunizations they got.. had to keep records so when they went to school you could prove they had all shots.. Somewhere if Caylee had her shots there would be a record.. even if she went to the health dept.. everyone has to keep those records..

That's right Happy. I even had to have my adult son's for when he went in the army and then when he lived in Poland for a while. I keep all the kid's shot records with their birth certs, S/S stuff, etc., etc. Gosh we have such documentation of things these days.

[sunstar]

I understand. So if there were medical records they would've been reviewed but not necessarily put into the autopsy report. Makes sense. And I guess if there was no doctor it would be the prosecution's call to show that type of neglect at trial. And I do believe it to be a form of neglect.

Thanks!

I also agree it's neglect. And as some others have said, Casey should've had prenatal care. But I don't think it will be a big deal at the trial since Casey is now being charged with murdering Caylee and obviously the state has evidence to support that charge. MOO

[sunstar]

ITA. The first time I saw pictures of her I thought her eyes screamed "I'm doomed". And no subsequent pics changed my mind. Her smile was tight, controlled and forced. No glee, no joy. It's almost like she eerily sensed her fate.

She seemed the happiest with her great grandpa. MOO

[happygert]

maybe on the list of entertainment...she was fun to video from time to time

Yeah as long as there was no interaction with her.. The one video of her in her high chair was so heart breaking when she was trying to get who ever was taping her to talk to her and play with her and not one word was said to her..But I guess the pay off for those tapes was huge. Look at the money they are making to sell those tapes.

[happygert]

That's right Happy. I even had to have my adult son's for when he went in the army and then when he lived in Poland for a while. I keep all the kid's shot records with their birth certs, S/S stuff, etc., etc. Gosh we have such documentation of things these days.

Yep.. my kids was like a card tells what the shot was when it was given and by what dr..there was 3 peds in my dr's office

[sunstar]

have a good night everybody ~ time for tv! :seeya:

[happygert]

ITA. The first time I saw pictures of her I thought her eyes screamed "I'm doomed". And no subsequent pics changed my mind. Her smile was tight, controlled and forced. No glee, no joy. It's almost like she eerily sensed her fate.

ITA it was like she was pleading for someone to pay attention to what was going on..sad sad little eyes..dark circles, pale..looked like she was just tired all the time,,

[Daffodil]

Sorry for jumping in here. I don't have time to read the posts.


I just had a thought. Maybe you have discussed this already. Amy was planning on moving in on the 14th. Is that correct? That is what it sounded like from their text messages. Maybe Casey was planning to off them all on the 14th or 15th. Maybe she killed Caylee and Cindy saw. Maybe Casey tried to kill Cindy next and failed. If she didn't fail, maybe should would have waited till George got home to do him off too.


I have to go do my treadmill. I'll hopefully be back later to catch up on things.

[Chardonnay]

That one was easy. We have 3 interview transcripts with Casey - 1 wee hours of July 16 (at home), 1 the afternoon of July 16 (at Universal) and the one when LE picked her up after the grand jury indictment.

If you get a chance Des, would please kindly post the links. I'd like to re-read them in my spare time.. TIA !!:biggrin:

[Chardonnay]

My bold...

This is what bothers me...
This place is mine all mine...how was she going to pull that off???

Were C&G going on vacation???
Or was this where she was planning on doing them in too???

That bothered me too. I think she was planning to off them. Why else would she tell Amy to move in and put in a change of address card?

[8BellesFan]

That bothered me too. I think she was planning to off them. Why else would she tell Amy to move in and put in a change of address card?


cuz she's a nut?

[Chardonnay]

cuz she's a nut?

And a big lying one at that ! Which still amazes me that she has the big Dream Team to defend her. :cursing:

[8BellesFan]

And a big lying one at that ! Which still amazes me that she has the big Dream Team to defend her. :cursing:

I'm actually rat-holing vacation time at work just in case this trial is televised. I want to see Cindy on that stand.

[Pruddennce]

I think that somewhere in this DCF report, that Casey said that Caylee first had Blue Cross and then was switched to Cigna. No mention was made (by Casey) that any insurance that Casey may have had on Caylee, would likely have been terminated when she was fired in Apr 2006.

you are correct sun.

as usual Casey, no different than Cindy, doesnt answer the question directly. her exact words: SHE HAD CIGNA, "it started with Blue Cross' then changed to Cigna. well, she didnt have Cigna anymore thru Universal if that is what she was referring to. I doubt she was on Cobra as she abandoned her job.

she didnt have any health coverage that SHE was paying for monthly. which is fine, but why lie about it? many people pay 'out of pocket' and dont have healthcare. caylee was healthy, in that she didnt have a 'condition' that needed monitoring or special meds. I can see them not buying a plan to cover her and paying out of pocket for well-checkups or an occasional health issue. but they LIE LIE LIE......

she lied about health insurance because it goes hand in hand with her 'working at Universal and paystubs to prove it' statement she made to family services, with Cindy sitting right there. lying that she worked there.

pack of lying wolves. this child didnt have much of a chance, even with a so-called village (extended family) raising her. the gps are liars and have no moral compass.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

[farrahrani]

Someone posted earlier that they thought that Casey might never have had any intention of Amy moving in.
Right before some kind of trip to Jacksonville, Casey made the story that George had a mini stroke. And she couldn't go to Jacksonville.
The poster (sorry I can't remember your name) had a great theory, one I had thought about but dismissed because of the searches.

They said that Casey could appear to be this great friend and benefactress, saving Amy yet...never let her move in, due to George's sudden illness, then the parents reconciling and staying put.
So..not only does she appear to be this great friend willing to help out, but she doesn't have to follow through....none if it's Casey's fault, she's a victim too!

It was a great theory, I could totally see it. Casey seems like the type to string someone along just for kicks and maybe make themselves look better in the process, no matter how much it hurts someone.

[8BellesFan]

hey cindy, the village called, they're missing their....well, y'all know.

[MissElainyS]

ITA. The first time I saw pictures of her I thought her eyes screamed "I'm doomed". And no subsequent pics changed my mind. Her smile was tight, controlled and forced. No glee, no joy. It's almost like she eerily sensed her fate.

I always get the creeps when I see those home videos of her which are on YouTube. I am presuming that it was Casey videotaping Caylee in those videos where she is about 7 months or so old and in the high chair eating toast and milk and on the floor about a year or so old coloring with crayons. She had that look in her eye then, too. And the person who was shooting which was probably Casey just tormented the heck out of that kid with that camera and not talking to her when she was saying "want cheese?" or trying to hand her the crayons and then giving up at the end when Casey was not answering or acknowledging her. So tragic.

[adair]

I don't have a link, but there was one interview where Cindy stated Casey had insurance for the birth.

iirc

She stated it on her my space....."my caylee is missing"

[MissElainyS]

That bothered me too. I think she was planning to off them. Why else would she tell Amy to move in and put in a change of address card?

I think she was just going to have Amy move in and then push the envelope with her parents and dare them to throw Amy or Casey out. She knew full well they would not. They were already intimidated by Casey and I am almost certain that she withheld Caylee from them by leaving the house with her and disappearing for a few days whenever they crossed her. This is why I think that they did not call the police right away. They were already used to her doing that to them. Using Caylee as a weapon.

[Chardonnay]

I always get the creeps when I see those home videos of her which are on YouTube. I am presuming that it was Casey videotaping Caylee in those videos where she is about 7 months or so old and in the high chair eating toast and milk and on the floor about a year or so old coloring with crayons. She had that look in her eye then, too. And the person who was shooting which was probably Casey just tormented the heck out of that kid with that camera and not talking to her when she was saying "want cheese?" or trying to hand her the crayons and then giving up at the end when Casey was not answering or acknowledging her. So tragic.

All those videos in silence just broke my heart... So cruel not to interact with Caylee. OC was so disconnected with Caylee.

[Sandy001]

We know for a fact that only the PRP knew the location of Caylee Marie's decomposing remains. She eventually communicated that location indirectly to someone. Who? Lee? Her Lawyer? Did someone have to play a game of 20 questions with her to get an approximate location? She wouldn't admit to it, but she would probably give it up that way. I can see her doing that.

Somewhere you are familiar with?
Answer: Absolutely.
Somewhere close to home?
Answer: Oh yes. Absolutely.

And on and on and on.

By 8/11, Roy Kronk knew where the body was. I do not believe he stumbled upon it. He knew. How? What's a meter reader doing in the woods? In that location? Roy Kronk got that information from someone. Who?

Kronk was a meter reader. That was on his route. He went in to use the facilities as a bathroom. I don't find anything odd about that at all. Are the meter readers supposed to knock on doors and ask permission to use the restroom. I imagine they are not allowed to do that. It's certainly more logical that he goes into the woods rather than get in a car and drive to the nearest McDonalds. I think people are trying to read too much into Kronk.

[apothecary]

Kronk was a meter reader. That was on his route. He went in to use the facilities as a bathroom. I don't find anything odd about that at all. Are the meter readers supposed to knock on doors and ask permission to use the restroom. I imagine they are not allowed to do that. It's certainly more logical that he goes into the woods rather than get in a car and drive to the nearest McDonalds. I think people are trying to read too much into Kronk.
Ita.Add to that the fact that he was a former bounty hunter and quite observant and obviously interested in the case .He had the best opportunity to size up the surroundings and put together all his knowledge to find Caylee.He just happened to be the right person to find Caylee.I do not find anything suspicious about him.

[Imperfect4]

ITA. Even Marc Klaas has had enough of the Anthonys!

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/12/ng.01.html

GRACE: Let`s go out to Marc Klaas, president and founder of KlaasKids Foundation. Marc, weigh in. Weigh in on the grandparents convincing a judge to block the release of what could be a 35-page autopsy report? Typically there may be two to five pages.


MARC KLAAS, PRESIDENT AND FOUNDER, KLAASKIDS FOUNDATION: I don`t believe that there`s anything that will be too upsetting to the Anthonys. They`ve already convinced themselves that the odor of decomposition in the trunk of the car was nothing more than a pizza.

I think they`re in a position to convince themselves of anything. They`re in such a heavy state of denial. But I also believe that every move they make, every breath they take, is designed to do one of two things. Deflect attention away from their daughter and/or find somebody else to throw under the bus as the person responsible for having committed the crime against little Caylee.

I'm so glad Klaas returned from his temporary visit to the dark side, where he appeared to be about to start defending the Anthonys.

[Dells]

This is really odd IMO. I can see making a few copies of the house key, but why TEN? Who makes 10 copies of their house key? Why would you need that many?

I agree. It does seem odd to make 10 copies of one key. I can just see the defense now if indeed it was the house key that Amy made copies of. The defense will say: see, there were 10 copies of the house key floating around out there so anybody could have had access to the house and the things that were found w/Caylee's remains....:sneaky:

[Dells]

They'd be hard pressed to find another family in the same situation as theirs. They are indeed unique in that aspect.

JMO

Unfortunately, there are other families out there that have children that murder their own children. What makes The Anthony's so unique is there constant need for the media spotlight and their total denial that their daughter was the one that murdered Caylee.:thumbdown:

[Dells]

G'morning, all.

As usual, thanks for the 'one year ago today' posts, Des.

Even if I seen my child as being perfect and honest, seeing text messages like today's would have me questioning my child on why they were lying about these things. If they can lie about these things, well then...

Why would Casey even say she can drive Amy to J'Ville when she can't [no money], or didn't want to because of other engagements. And then lie at the very last moment about being in the hospital with her Dad.

Why did she lead her friend on about moving into her parents house? When it wasn't her house. She allowed Amy to do a change of address card, and also sent something to the Hopespring house. {A camera?}

Amy is ready to move in, TOMMORROW, and Casey is still leading her on like it will happen.

I personally think it shows what a cold, cruel and callous person Casey is. Seriously, what a horrible way to treat somebody that you claim to be a friend. Casey does not care about anybody else's feelings, except her own. She's despicable.:thumbdown:

[Imperfect4]

p.s. I don't think there was any doctor. I think there were no well baby checks or immunizations. Caylee was neglected in all fundamental ways, to save a buck.

She did have plenty of sunglasses and stuffed animals and her room looked like it was decorated by a really crummy model home designer - totally phony and not specific to her.

Sunglasses and toys: J.c. Penny card

real care and attention: Priceless and non-existent.

Imo

ita. .....

[Oregongal]

Someone posted earlier that they thought that Casey might never have had any intention of Amy moving in.
Right before some kind of trip to Jacksonville, Casey made the story that George had a mini stroke. And she couldn't go to Jacksonville.
The poster (sorry I can't remember your name) had a great theory, one I had thought about but dismissed because of the searches.

They said that Casey could appear to be this great friend and benefactress, saving Amy yet...never let her move in, due to George's sudden illness, then the parents reconciling and staying put.
So..not only does she appear to be this great friend willing to help out, but she doesn't have to follow through....none if it's Casey's fault, she's a victim too!
It was a great theory, I could totally see it. Casey seems like the type to string someone along just for kicks and maybe make themselves look better in the process, no matter how much it hurts someone.

Hi all :seeya:
I just signed on, hit the last page and farra, your post is where I landed. :smile:
I bolded what stuck out in your post, this is a typical socio characteristic....be helpful, do anything possible to help those who they are also 'playing', using, taking advantage of in some way to feed their needs, material and/or emotional/psychological.
They go along as far as they can until something 'comes up', someone catches on or until they realize they aren't or won't be getting what they need. Then all of a sudden, there is a person(s) that is to blame for them not being able to follow thru.
Socio's always are looking out for what will make them look good. If whatever they are doing....for someone else...if it doesn't give them some kind of payoff, they will blame anyone and everyone for it.
And YES, Casey is a socio.
It will be interesting who she blames for Caylee's death. Believe me she will NEVER take the blame herself. Someone else will be hit and dragged by that bus.
:sneaky:

[Dick Tracy]

Kronk was a meter reader. That was on his route. He went in to use the facilities as a bathroom. I don't find anything odd about that at all. Are the meter readers supposed to knock on doors and ask permission to use the restroom. I imagine they are not allowed to do that. It's certainly more logical that he goes into the woods rather than get in a car and drive to the nearest McDonalds. I think people are trying to read too much into Kronk.

Yes I know Kronk was a meter reader. That is very well documented. But I'm still convinced he didn't stumble on to that spot by himself, having "accidently" found Caylee's remains. He was tipped by someone, sometime prior to 8/11.

[TaraCrazyHair]

At work i caught a glimpse of the tv and CNN had "Bombshell News"

What was the bombshell?

TIA!

Lurker usually but I am curious

[Pruddennce]

Yes I know Kronk was a meter reader. That is very well documented. But I'm still convinced he didn't stumble on to that spot by himself, having "accidently" found Caylee's remains. He was tipped by someone, sometime prior to 8/11.

agreed. shows up for a presser with an attorney.

good samaritan with counsel.....?

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[Oregongal]

Again, hi all.
As I said, I just popped in and I am sooooo far behind.
With this house thing going on I'm having a hard time keeping up with you all.
I miss reading and posting everyday. Thank you all for your good thoughts, prayers and support for us.
Is there anything I've missed in the last couple of days that is a kind of bombshell?
I just skimmed the links of the latest doc dump and it looks to me that there's nothing much new. Just more of what we've seen already. If there IS something new, please point it out to me. TIA!!!
I hope Judge S. will take the stay off the release of the autopsy report. I believe we may see much in that report that will confirm what many of us have been thinking, or at least give us some info that we don't know yet.
G & A claiming it's release will cause them anguish....excuuuuse me!
How much more anguish could they possibly experience? They've already lost their grandaughter, their daughter is indicted for that loss.
I would think that's about as anguished as you can get.
I think they don't want it released because it will be yet another thing that confirms that their 'mother of the year', 'perfect' dd murdered their gdaughter.
Also, just another way to delay.
If they will be so 'anguished', why don't they just not watch tv news, avoid anything on the internet that may show this report?
It's not as if there is someone forcing them to read this report when it is released.
There is such a thing as a remote for the tv which can be used to turn the channel, turn off the tv. There is also such a thing as an on/off button on a computer. Each of these requires a choice of the people who have the remote and the button in their control.
Why should the Sunshine Laws be set aside because poor, poor Cindy and George do not know or choose to ignore the power they have over their tv and/or computer internet access?
Ok, done. Sorry for the rant, been holding that in for days and just needed to get it out.
:biggrinjester:

[bchand]

At work i caught a glimpse of the tv and CNN had "Bombshell News"

What was the bombshell?

TIA!

Lurker usually but I am curious

Was it a rerun of the Nancy Grace show? (CNN Headline News)

If so, her latest bombshell was an National Enquirer report about Casey acting nutty in jail.

[Imperfect4]

Yes I know Kronk was a meter reader. That is very well documented. But I'm still convinced he didn't stumble on to that spot by himself, having "accidently" found Caylee's remains. He was tipped by someone, sometime prior to 8/11.

ITA. There's more to the story. Doesn't mean Kronk's a bad guy ... just means there's more to the story. He called LE three days in a row in August, then went back in December and called again. It's as if he didn't just WONDER about the bag, but KNEW what the bag contained.

[Daffodil]

I was wondering if Casey was going to make it so that Amy would be the one to find the bodies?

[Oregongal]

Unfortunately, there are other families out there that have children that murder their own children. What makes The Anthony's so unique is there constant need for the media spotlight and their total denial that their daughter was the one that murdered Caylee.:thumbdown:

You are so right Dells!
I have also wondered what exactly caught the media's interest in Caylee?
Of course, for me, as soon as the media (NG) brought this to my attention, I was caught by the beautiful, innocent toddler and the circumstances of her missing and not reported missing by her own mother.
Maybe that is what makes this case so unique....Caylee was missing for 31 days before not her own mother, but her gmother reported her missing.
In other cases where the child or children have been reported missing yet turned out to be murdered, the mother at least reported them missing right away

[crimeq]

Again, hi all.
As I said, I just popped in and I am sooooo far behind.
With this house thing going on I'm having a hard time keeping up with you all.
I miss reading and posting everyday. Thank you all for your good thoughts, prayers and support for us.
Is there anything I've missed in the last couple of days that is a kind of bombshell?
I just skimmed the links of the latest doc dump and it looks to me that there's nothing much new. Just more of what we've seen already. If there IS something new, please point it out to me. TIA!!!
I hope Judge S. will take the stay off the release of the autopsy report. I believe we may see much in that report that will confirm what many of us have been thinking, or at least give us some info that we don't know yet.
G & A claiming it's release will cause them anguish....excuuuuse me!
How much more anguish could they possibly experience? They've already lost their grandaughter, their daughter is indicted for that loss.
I would think that's about as anguished as you can get.
I think they don't want it released because it will be yet another thing that confirms that their 'mother of the year', 'perfect' dd murdered their gdaughter.
Also, just another way to delay.
If they will be so 'anguished', why don't they just not watch tv news, avoid anything on the internet that may show this report?
It's not as if there is someone forcing them to read this report when it is released.
There is such a thing as a remote for the tv which can be used to turn the channel, turn off the tv. There is also such a thing as an on/off button on a computer. Each of these requires a choice of the people who have the remote and the button in their control.
Why should the Sunshine Laws be set aside because poor, poor Cindy and George do not know or choose to ignore the power they have over their tv and/or computer internet access?
Ok, done. Sorry for the rant, been holding that in for days and just needed to get it out.
:biggrinjester:

Hi OG, the Ants need to be "anguished" -- or in threat thereof -- to keep that gravy train rolling a little bit longer. I think there's something in the autopsy report that gives a much better picture of what Casey did to Caylee. Apparently Dr G said her diagnosis remains "homicide by unknown means", she was able to do some concluding about what she thinks happened.

This could de-rail the Anthony FUNDation train before they've finished collecting all the donations they are hoping for.

I think Judge Strickland will rule on the side of the media and release the autopsy report, however, and I hope I'm right about that.

Hope you're doing OK -- I'm sending you good thoughts.

[Dick Tracy]

ITA. There's more to the story. Doesn't mean Kronk's a bad guy ... just means there's more to the story. He called LE three days in a row in August, then went back in December and called again. It's as if he didn't just WONDER about the bag, but KNEW what the bag contained.

That's the most obvious thing right there Pru.. Has an attorney before he even opens his mouth to the press. What person thinks like that?

As far as Kronk goes, yeah, I don't consider him a bad guy. If we do the Tampa Stadium Casey Anthony Trial on the Big Screen Idea, then yeah, we've decided we'll have Roy Kronk as one of the banquet guest speakers, along with the Blockbuster clerk, and the Amscot Lady as well.

But seriously, If DC and the waterboy visit Casey on 8/8, then 8/8 is when DC is either able to play twenty questions with Casey, or holds a seance and Casey gets the word from the spirits were Caylee's remains were.

Did someone leak the location? No. I doubt it. Did someone overhear something? Maybe.

[Oregongal]

Hi OG, the Ants need to be "anguished" -- or in threat thereof -- to keep that gravy train rolling a little bit longer. I think there's something in the autopsy report that gives a much better picture of what Casey did to Caylee. Apparently Dr G said her diagnosis remains "homicide by unknown means", she was able to do some concluding about what she thinks happened.

This could de-rail the Anthony FUNDation train before they've finished collecting all the donations they are hoping for.

I think Judge Strickland will rule on the side of the media and release the autopsy report, however, and I hope I'm right about that.

Hope you're doing OK -- I'm sending you good thoughts.

Hi crime, yep, I forgot about that 'little thang', the Ant's and their 'gravy train'. Oooops, how could I forget that?:cursing:
You're right, their anguish is only for the thoughts of losing donations and sympathy from those that don't know better.
I agree, I think Dr. G's report will reveal much. At least it will reveal why she was able to declare Caylee's death (other than her being bagged up and tossed away) a homicide.
I also think Judge S will rule on the side of the media according to the Sunshine Laws....as I've been able to understand them anyway.
This delay is just his way of giving the opposition (the Ant's, JB) a bit of time to prepare for the enevitable (sp?). I hope you and I are right on this :biggrin:

I'm hanging in...thank you for your good thoughts! :wub:

[~layla~]

I was wondering if Casey was going to make it so that Amy would be the one to find the bodies?

probably more like blame it all on her.:glare:

[Oregongal]

probably more like blame it all on her.:glare:

Yep layla. Blame it Amy, or Tony or Cindy, or George, or Lee or Richardo....pick one any one. The defense will most likely blame anyone other than Casey.
I think since the Zanny the nanny defense has been torn to shreds...there is no Zanny, there was no nanny since Casey wasn't even working, and JB keeps claiming she is innocent, someone is going to be thrown under the bus and blamed for Caylee's death.
I'm dying to know who that will be.
Amy, who seems to have really liked her, but was the one Casey stole hundreds of $$$'s from? Tony, the new boyfriend Casey was so ga-ga over and let her know that when was ready to have babies, he only wanted boy babies?
Cindy, her mom, who insisted she have Caylee and keep her, yet took the role of mommy away from Casey from the moment Caylee was born?
George, who loved Caylee yet was so dominated and controlled by his wife Cindy that he never stood up on his own even when he should have stood up for his daughter and gdaughter against his wife?
Lee, Casey's secret keeper, who obviously knows more than anyone about his sick sister and how she ticks than anyone else? Or maybe Annie D, Casey's bff who had a script for Xanex and may have supplied Casey with some of her scripted Xanex every now and then. Who also spent the night with Casey when she was out on bail, yet wouldn't let Casey tell her anything cause she didn't want to know what really happened (yeah right)?
Oooo, how about Kio Torres, who wanted to adopt Caylee? Maybe the defense will say she did it cause she was so angry she wasn't allowed to adopt Caylee.
One of these people or someone else that Casey had some contact or relationship with could be the one to be blamed.
It's a toss up. I can just picture the defense dream team with a dart board with pics of all of these peeps and others on that board and them throwing darts to choose which one they will blame.
They say Casey is innocent. They have to come up with someone else to blame, someone else they can say killed Caylee, bagged her up, left her in Casey's trunk for 2.6 days and then threw her out of that car not even a mile away from the Anthony home.
And try and explain why Casey has been willing to sit in her little room under lock and key and not ever tell which one of these peeps is the real killer.
Oh, oh, she's mentally ill. She's insane and out of her mind. NOT! That defense left the bus station months ago. No matter what the so called 'source' has reported about her antics lately. The nightmares, the mood swings. BS!
I honestly cannot see where any person on the jury for Casey's trial would buy anything the defense dream team could throw out there.
Casey innocent? She's as stone cold innocent as Scott Peterson, Ted Bundy, Michael Peterson, Susan Smith....need I go on?
I cannot wait for the trial to find out just who will be the one that Casey and her defense team blames for the horrendous act of murdering her own flesh and blood daughter. I believe this trial will be another 'trial of the century'.
Sorry, so long...see what happens when I'm unable to be here for days and days? :biggrin: I have alot I need to get out.
I may be too busy to be here, but I still think and think and pray and pray for justice for our lil angel Caylee.
As my siggy says, I will be here for her until the end and her justice will come.
It will be interesting, frustrating, maddening. Sometimes laughable, insane and unbelievable, but in the end....Caylee Marie will have her day in court and justice will come for her.
:rose:

[Oregongal]

long time lurker - first time poster...dick tracey - love your homage to Mr. Fogelberg, I love him and miss him so much...looking forward to blogging here with all of you!

Welcome notdarkyet!
Looking forward to reading your posts. Don't be shy, just jump on in.
This is a great board with so many great peeps...DT is one of my faves too. :wink:
Since you're posting late, does that mean you'll be joining the late nighters...of which DT is our boss?
Again, welcome!

[Oregongal]

I am excited to find a site that the late nighters use...they are few and far between....I have lurked here for a really long time - but just felt like the time to jump in was now and you all seem to care a great deal about Caylee and that is the only reason anyone should be gathering in this forum at all..some of the other places with message boards have done this to a degree...but it seems that it is more of a social network than a forum to discuss the Anthony case - and I have seen a lot that have dissenters, but even arguing is healthy if done in the right way, but bashing and pointing fingers is what they Anthony's do....it is a forum for our public comments because I think we are the backbone of the "tone" that this case is setting by making this a public discussion about the fate of our communities and our families for any interested person. We have kept quiet in the country too long...we must protect our children at any and all cost! I am a total case junkie who has scoured the web doing my own brand of investigative journalism based on what I knew from my own writing background, so I can keep up with the best of you whith facts and other tidbits of learned knowledge! Mainly though, it is about wanting to see the right thing be done for this child - it is the jumping off point in setting the precedent for this and many other cases like this and prompt laws that will protect these innocents and then a way to punish anyone who is proven of a crime against one hair of a child's head. I can't image the last thing Caylee saw (I pray she was already unconscious, or at least drugged in some way) but what is far worse, is that Crazy can remember EXACTLY what she did it to her -and whatever it is she did - I hope it is burned in the back of her eyelids. I know Caylee is looking down and smiling at us with those big brwn eyes and knows that people on earth really DO care about her and her memory. We must keep her alive in our hearts to have the strength for the fight ahead. This is the place to do this.

Oh ndy (like my abbreviation :wink:), I don't know if you are still here, sorry if you felt as if you were talking to yourself. I find myself doing that alot late at night. Weekend nights seem to be the nights even the late nighters aren't here. I got caught up in watching some of the youtubes regarding the Caylee case and just thought I'd check back in one more time before I signed off and there you were.
Love your post :thumbsup: Yes, this is the place for all those who love Caylee and are committed to seeing justice for her happen.
We do argue sometimes, but it's usually done in a kind way...we do have trolls that pop in once in a while...you just need to remember 2 things....skip and scroll and ignore.
I'm sure you will be able to not only keep up with the best here, I also think you will have much to contribute.
This is the place to be for the sentence I bolded in your post. We all are committed to seeing that justice will happen for Caylee above everything else. She is just one of the many children that go missing and/or are murdered everyday and I personally feel that she is, as you say, a precedent. Her case has gotten soooo much media attention thru out the country that maybe peoples eyes will open and see that something needs to be done to protect our children. To make those who abuse and murder the innocent lil ones accountable for their horrendous actions in the harshest way possible. No more slaps on the wrist. No more one more chances.
I also pray that Caylee did not know what her own mother was doing to her when she breathed her last breath. I try very hard not to even think of the how, the manner that took her life. It gives me nightmares when I do.
I prefer to think how she is with her real Father now and will never cry, experience pain in any form and altho we think she was taken too soon, God may have saved her from a lifetime of emotional, and perhaps even physical pain by remaining in that totally sicko family of Anthony's. She is safe now and like you, I feel she sees and knows how many are loving her and are here for her until the one that took her life will be punished for what she did to her. The one that received the gift of this beautiful baby and like a snotty little child opened that gift and not only threw away the wrapping, threw away the gift as well because she didn't like it. It wasn't what she wanted and to keep it meant she would have to give something of herself.
I look forward to reading more of your posts ndy. I must sign off now.
I'm falling asleep and I may even be talking to myself.
:biggrin:

[Kiwi]

Finally gathered up courage to come out of lurking while all of you sleep!!
I felt somewhat hesitant to comment on this site as I live in New Zealand and not usually one to join websites. I have followed this case from the beginning (on the web) and wonder what caught and continued to keep my interest. There is the great tragedy of Caylee's death but sadly death of innocent children by their guardians is not rare. She was a beautiful child but the reason for my continued interest is the behaviour, the very bizarre behaviour, of the grandparents. I can dismiss Casey's lies, lack of remorse and narcism as these actions are from the likely killer of her own 2 year old.
I initially saw Cindy on the Cable Fox channel here. She caught my attention when she talked at length about her own distress- lack of sleep, food etc.. I was taken aback by the self-centredness of this grandmother when given the opportunity to talk about her gd, presumed to be kidnapped at that stage. As soon as the thought entered my mind I felt guilty. Who was I to judge this woman that has just lost her a loved one.
That appearance led me to look up the case on the web and to IS. The puzzling GPS, and your interesting and often amusing comments have me hooked, even though I feel weird about being so interested in a case on the other side of the planet! So I have come out of lurking but doubt anyone is awake to read this little act of bravery. You can tell I am new at this as no icons.

[Oregongal]

Finally gathered up courage to come out of lurking while all of you sleep!!
I felt somewhat hesitant to comment on this site as I live in New Zealand and not usually one to join websites. I have followed this case from the beginning (on the web) and wonder what caught and continued to keep my interest. There is the great tragedy of Caylee's death but sadly death of innocent children by their guardians is not rare. She was a beautiful child but the reason for my continued interest is the behaviour, the very bizarre behaviour, of the grandparents. I can dismiss Casey's lies, lack of remorse and narcism as these actions are from the likely killer of her own 2 year old.
I initially saw Cindy on the Cable Fox channel here. She caught my attention when she talked at length about her own distress- lack of sleep, food etc.. I was taken aback by the self-centredness of this grandmother when given the opportunity to talk about her gd, presumed to be kidnapped at that stage. As soon as the thought entered my mind I felt guilty. Who was I to judge this woman that has just lost her a loved one.
That appearance led me to look up the case on the web and to IS. The puzzling GPS, and your interesting and often amusing comments have me hooked, even though I feel weird about being so interested in a case on the other side of the planet! So I have come out of lurking but doubt anyone is awake to read this little act of bravery. You can tell I am new at this as no icons.

Welcome Kiwi!!!
I was just going to sign off then saw your post. I should be sleeping, but just had to congratulate your act of bravery. Bravo darlin. I hope to see you post more and more. Sounds as you have Cindy down to a t.
:wink:
Please do not hesitate any longer, jump on in. We are all pretty nice peeps here and welcome any and all newbies with open arms.
Also do not hesitate to ask for help in learning how the board works. There is always someone here who is more than willing to guide and teach you.
Don't feel weird about your interest in this case, it just goes to show us all how far Caylee has gone to touch the hearts of so many.
This lil angel has brought so many together, it's amazing.
As for the icons....when you have your posting window open, on the right side is all the icons. You can even hit the 'more' link and there are more icons you might want to use, all you have to do is click on one of the icons and it will automatically place itself where your blinking...hmmm, what do I call it? That blinking vertical bar that is waiting for you to type another word? Sorry, I'm not good at explaining.
For example....I am going to say hi to you....I will now hit the 'more' link and scroll down to the icon that says 'see ya'.....:seeya: All I had to do was click on that little 'see ya' guy and when I submit this you will see him waving at you. As you are posting you will only see the description of the icon, not the actual icon. But, when you submit and then see your post on the board, the icon will be there.
Am I making sense?
Like I said, I should be sleeping, I'm reading and typing with one eye now.
Again, welcome, I'm looking forward to seeing you post. Don't be skeered, just jump on in whenever you want.
What time is it in New Zealand now? It is now 3:09 am here in the Pacific Northwest (my time).
:smile:

[desmom]

If you get a chance Des, would please kindly post the links. I'd like to re-read them in my spare time.. TIA !!:biggrin:

I got off early last night and missed this.


Casey's interview with LE on July 16, 2008, time 0411 hours at 4937 Hopespring Drive

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/6036055/2008-0716-Casey-Anthony-Police-Interview-at-Universal-Studios-1320-Hours

or http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Anthony,%20Casey%20No%201-0721.pdf or

Casey's interview with LE on July 16, 2008, time 1320 hours at Universal Studios

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/6036055/2008-0716-Casey-Anthony-Police-Interview-at-Universal-Studios-1320-Hours

or http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Anthony,%20Casey%20No%202-0721.pdf

Casey talking to detectives after the grand jury indictment is only available on video:

Part 1 http://www.wftv.com/video/19107079/index.html

Part 2 http://www.wftv.com/video/19107107/index.html

Part 3 http://www.wftv.com/video/19126676/index.html

[desmom]

One year ago today.....June 14, 2008 (Saturday)

June 14, 2008

Sometime around the middle of June, Casey told Jamie Realander, Fusian employee, she would drive to Oviedo and they would go partying. Casey canceled because she said she had got a ticket in Orlando. http://www.docstoc.com/docs/4823998/Casey-Anthony-Jamie-Realander-interview

Chris Stutz saw Casey at Scoop sometime around this date. http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0926/17564652.pdf

Text messages between Casey and Amy: http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1772101/AH-and-KC-Text-Messages

Amy to Casey: Hey, do you think we can tow my car to your place? We are going to fix it and sell it. I just have to put it somewhere until my dad can come up to do the work. Probably. The first weekend in July.

Amy to Casey: OK. I finally got Will going. We are about to leave to see his buddy about towing. Where is Tony’s place so I can tell them and the name of it again?

Casey to Amy 06/14 6:09 p.m.: Sutton Place. On University between Goldenrod and Forsyth.

Amy to Casey: Sweet. Thanks love. Once I have details I’ll text.

Casey to Amy 06/14 6:10 p.m.: Awesome.

Amy to Casey: We are on our way with the tow truck to my house so we should be at Tony’s in like 30.

Casey to Amy 06/14 8:20 p.m.: Awesome.

Casey to Amy 06/14 8:21 p.m.: He said it doesn’t matter where you park it.

Amy to Casey: Awesome. Thanks to you both.

Casey to Amy 06/14 8:23 p.m.: Anytime love! I’ll get it towed to the house one day this week.

Amy to Casey: You don’t think we can leave it there?

Casey to Amy 06/14 8:25 p.m.: Actually we probably could. I don’t see why not. I’ll check with the people at his clubhouse tomorrow morning.

Amy to Casey: I can get a cover for it. It just seems silly to keep towing it.

Casey to Amy 06/14 8:27 p.m.: Agreed. That’ll work.

Amy to Casey: Is it on the left or right?

Casey to Amy 06/14 8:55 p.m.: Depends on which way you're coming. If you’re coming from Goldenrod it’s on the left. From 436 or Forsyth it’s on the right.

[desmom]

Sorry for jumping in here. I don't have time to read the posts.


I just had a thought. Maybe you have discussed this already. Amy was planning on moving in on the 14th. Is that correct? That is what it sounded like from their text messages. Maybe Casey was planning to off them all on the 14th or 15th. Maybe she killed Caylee and Cindy saw. Maybe Casey tried to kill Cindy next and failed. If she didn't fail, maybe should would have waited till George got home to do him off too.


I have to go do my treadmill. I'll hopefully be back later to catch up on things.

Something was up...Why would Casey be so exact on the date when she told Tone he could go and come as he pleased in 3 days?

Her lies up to that point of making dates with friends and canceling because of work, stating she had $15,000 in the bank, Caylee's father killed in a car accident, dad had an almost stroke/mini-stroke ... who is going to check?

But telling Amy she could move in to Hopespring and telling Tone June 13 was the day just does not seem to follow the pattern of her other lies.

Cindy's mother, Shirley Plesea, wrote to her sister on June 5, 2008 about how unhappy Cindy was with George, Cindy saw a lawyer about a divorce and the lawyer said George could get half the house, Cindy said no way George is getting the house. (page 9 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2811544/Casey-Anthony-Documents-Released-Nov-26-013 )

Did Cindy vent to Casey about George, the divorce and the house? Did Cindy tell Casey she would sell the house to Casey for take over the payments and then Cindy changed her mind?

IMO, there is more to this story about Casey getting the house than we know and I think Cindy planted the idea in Casey's head....

I think I just defended Casey...I need coffee.

ETA ~ I think whatever the deal is with the house also played a part of the alleged argument on June 15.

[shelkobe]

Finally gathered up courage to come out of lurking while all of you sleep!!
I felt somewhat hesitant to comment on this site as I live in New Zealand and not usually one to join websites. I have followed this case from the beginning (on the web) and wonder what caught and continued to keep my interest. There is the great tragedy of Caylee's death but sadly death of innocent children by their guardians is not rare. She was a beautiful child but the reason for my continued interest is the behaviour, the very bizarre behaviour, of the grandparents. I can dismiss Casey's lies, lack of remorse and narcism as these actions are from the likely killer of her own 2 year old.
[B]I initially saw Cindy on the Cable Fox channel here. She caught my attention when she talked at length about her own distress- lack of sleep, food etc.. I was taken aback by the self-centredness of this grandmother when given the opportunity to talk about her gd, presumed to be kidnapped at that stage. As soon as the thought entered my mind I felt guilty. Who was I to judge this woman that has just lost her a loved one.
That appearance led me to look up the case on the web and to IS. The puzzling GPS, and your interesting and often amusing comments have me hooked, even though I feel weird about being so interested in a case on the other side of the planet! So I have come out of lurking but doubt anyone is awake to read this little act of bravery. You can tell I am new at this as no icons.
Welcome to the boards! We have posters from all over at InSessions, even though most are from North America. If you're getting some of the US cable channels then you're getting some of the same news that those of us from states other than Florida are getting. Your opinion is as good as anybody else's. Besides that, we're all enriched by hearing things from someone else's perspectives.

Your comment that I bolded is something that got me too. I had read a couple of articles from the Caylee thread back when this case was still on the Missing/Amber Alert board, but I thought it was so obvious that the mother, who did not report her daughter missing for 31 days, had done something to her. But seeing Cindy for the first time was jaw-dropping to me. A missing child is a horrible thing, but to see such self-centered theatrics from the grandmother is incongruous under the circumstances.

Anyway, welcome to you and NotDarkYet as well.

[desmom]

I see we have some new posters that have came out of lurkdom.

Welcome to the Boards! :seeya:

[desmom]

you are correct sun.

as usual Casey, no different than Cindy, doesnt answer the question directly. her exact words: SHE HAD CIGNA, "it started with Blue Cross' then changed to Cigna. well, she didnt have Cigna anymore thru Universal if that is what she was referring to. I doubt she was on Cobra as she abandoned her job.

she didnt have any health coverage that SHE was paying for monthly. which is fine, but why lie about it? many people pay 'out of pocket' and dont have healthcare. caylee was healthy, in that she didnt have a 'condition' that needed monitoring or special meds. I can see them not buying a plan to cover her and paying out of pocket for well-checkups or an occasional health issue. but they LIE LIE LIE......

she lied about health insurance because it goes hand in hand with her 'working at Universal and paystubs to prove it' statement she made to family services, with Cindy sitting right there. lying that she worked there.

pack of lying wolves. this child didnt have much of a chance, even with a so-called village (extended family) raising her. the gps are liars and have no moral compass.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

hmmm, if Casey did take Caylee to the Dr. and LE was able to get a copy of Caylee's medical records, it would include insurance information....I think. Maybe it will come out at trial. jmo

[shelkobe]

Something was up...Why would Casey be so exact on the date when she told Tone he could go and come as he pleased in 3 days?

Her lies up to that point of making dates with friends and canceling because of work, stating she had $15,000 in the bank, Caylee's father killed in a car accident, dad had an almost stroke/mini-stroke ... who is going to check?

But telling Amy she could move in to Hopespring and telling Tone June 13 was the day just does not seem to follow the pattern of her other lies.

Cindy's mother, Shirley Plesea, wrote to her sister on June 5, 2008 about how unhappy Cindy was with George, Cindy saw a lawyer about a divorce and the lawyer said George could get half the house, Cindy said no way George is getting the house. (page 9 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2811544/Casey-Anthony-Documents-Released-Nov-26-013 )

Did Cindy vent to Casey about George, the divorce and the house? Did Cindy tell Casey she would sell the house to Casey for take over the payments and then Cindy changed her mind?

IMO, there is more to this story about Casey getting the house than we know and I think Cindy planted the idea in Casey's head....

I think I just defended Casey...I need coffee.

ETA ~ I think whatever the deal is with the house also played a part of the alleged argument on June 15.
I can't for the life of me see Cindy moving out of that house. That family was having a hard time paying the bills they already had, and leaving Casey in the house would only lead to foreclosure. I think it was just some grandiose fantasy that Casey had.

[desmom]

That's the most obvious thing right there Pru.. Has an attorney before he even opens his mouth to the press. What person thinks like that?

As far as Kronk goes, yeah, I don't consider him a bad guy. If we do the Tampa Stadium Casey Anthony Trial on the Big Screen Idea, then yeah, we've decided we'll have Roy Kronk as one of the banquet guest speakers, along with the Blockbuster clerk, and the Amscot Lady as well.

But seriously, If DC and the waterboy visit Casey on 8/8, then 8/8 is when DC is either able to play twenty questions with Casey, or holds a seance and Casey gets the word from the spirits were Caylee's remains were.

Did someone leak the location? No. I doubt it. Did someone overhear something? Maybe.

bolding mine....

Kronk's presser was a couple of weeks after he found Caylee's remains. The media was trying to ID Kronk by contacting anyone and everyone that worked for the same division of the public works since they had learned the person that found Caylee was a meter reader.

Also, the A's had been all over the local and national news, several doc dumps had already happened and it was obvious to me the A's were throwing anyone and everyone under the bus to protect Casey.

If I was Kronk, I would have an attorney also. IIRC, Kronk did not hire the attorney. The attorney was provided to Kronk by his employer.

jmo

[desmom]

I can't for the life of me see Cindy moving out of that house. That family was having a hard time paying the bills they already had, and leaving Casey in the house would only lead to foreclosure. I think it was just some grandiose fantasy that Casey had.


But Casey had a job as an event planner at Universal :tonguewag: and I bet Cindy knew Casey had plans to move a friend in to help with the expenses.

Yes they were having issues of making ends meet. Who wasn't having $$ issues in the summer of 2008 with gas at $4.00 a gallon...and they had 3 cars to fill up. Toss in George's job hopping, on-line gambling/internet scam and Casey's use of Cindy's credit cards, I bet things were tight.

If Cindy moved out into an apt all by her little bitty, she would only have debt for one - herself...well debt for one if she canceled her credit cards and re-applied for new ones...ones Casey could not access.

I may be way off, but I think someone or something planted the seed in Casey's brain she was getting that house.

jmo

[Scampi]

(snipped)

We are outsiders to their torment and suffering, pretending that we know the proper and correct way to react to such a horrendous situation that most of us will never come close to experiencing.

Thats all from me for now. Enjoy the rest of your weekend.

imo... of course.

IMO, the torment and suffering experienced by the anthonys in no way gives them a free pass to lie and obstruct the investigation into the murder of Caylee Anthony.

Just the opposite in fact, it should spur them on to seek justice for this little girl, who was so horribly murdered.

That this is not the route the anthonys have chosen to take, accounts for the public's dismal opinion of them.

imo

[shelkobe]

Yeah but don't forget, Cindy paid for that house primarily, so she had equity in it, and with her retirement account depleted, I can't see her losing the only thing she has, which is the house.

As far as Kronk getting an attorney, I would imagine that the county was required to get him an attorney because he found the remains while on the clock.

[Kiwi]

Thank you for the welcome Oregongal and Shelkobe. You guys are nice bunch. OG, we are one day ahead and 5 hours (Sunday 11.49 pm) behind the west coast, if that makes any sense. So it will be early Sunday 4.49am for you. Thanks for taking the time on "Using icons" lesson.


Here I go using your lessons:seeya: Goodnight.

[AMS]

But Casey had a job as an event planner at Universal :tonguewag: and I bet Cindy knew Casey had plans to move a friend in to help with the expenses.

Yes they were having issues of making ends meet. Who wasn't having $$ issues in the summer of 2008 with gas at $4.00 a gallon...and they had 3 cars to fill up. Toss in George's job hopping, on-line gambling/internet scam and Casey's use of Cindy's credit cards, I bet things were tight.

If Cindy moved out into an apt all by her little bitty, she would only have debt for one - herself...well debt for one if she canceled her credit cards and re-applied for new ones...ones Casey could not access.

I may be way off, but I think someone or something planted the seed in Casey's brain she was getting that house.

jmo

I agree with you des. Since Cindy and George were having so many problems, according to Shirley, maybe Cindy made a comment about the house in an angry state and the OC believed her. Something like, ""I should throw your father out and give the house to you Casey, that would show him".

imo

[AMS]

IMO, the torment and suffering experienced by the anthonys in no way gives them a free pass to lie and obstruct the investigation into the murder of Caylee Anthony.

Just the opposite in fact, it should spur them on to seek justice for this little girl, who was so horribly murdered.

That this is not the route the anthonys have chosen to take, accounts for the public's dismal opinion of them.

imo

Good morning - as Mark Klaas said one night on NG - The Ant's have chosen to defend Casey at the expense of seeking justice for Caylee. This is why so many people are angry at the Ant's. ITA with Mark.

imo

[Sun]

Good morning everyone! One year ago today, Friday, June 13, 2008, Casey was out partying at the Fusian Lounge. This year, Saturday June 13, 2009, Casey is confined to a cell in the Orange County Jail. Society is safe from her and her evil ways.

Unfortunately society is not yet safe from George and Cindy, or from attorneys who choose to work for these evil people. I am praying that Judge Strickland will be courageous and use his wisdom to help provide Justice for little Caylee. It is a large task, but I have faith that he will be able to do it.

[Scampi]

I still hope you have a nice weekend!
:tonguewag:

Thank you, I will now that I have emerged from my little snit. You have a wonderful weekend too............. :thumbsup:

[ellegna]

Candles for Caylee

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/...l=eng&gi=cayle (http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle)

:rose:

Caylee's Guest Book

http://www.legacy.com/SPTimes/GB/Gue...onId=121581033 (http://www.legacy.com/SPTimes/GB/GuestbookView.aspx?PersonId=121581033)

:rose:


(http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/caylees-law--a-law-to-protect-children?This%20is%20from%20your%20b)

[ellegna]

Good morning

I started a new thread for Sunday.
See you all there :seeya:

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=13192092#post13192092

[AMS]

Good morning - thanks for the new thread.

imo

[msgatorslayer]

But Casey had a job as an event planner at Universal :tonguewag: and I bet Cindy knew Casey had plans to move a friend in to help with the expenses.

Yes they were having issues of making ends meet. Who wasn't having $$ issues in the summer of 2008 with gas at $4.00 a gallon...and they had 3 cars to fill up. Toss in George's job hopping, on-line gambling/internet scam and Casey's use of Cindy's credit cards, I bet things were tight.

If Cindy moved out into an apt all by her little bitty, she would only have debt for one - herself...well debt for one if she canceled her credit cards and re-applied for new ones...ones Casey could not access.

I may be way off, but I think someone or something planted the seed in Casey's brain she was getting that house.


jmo

G'morning!

BOLDED BY ME

Possibly, a subtle mention by Cindy. Or heat of the moment while she was venting.

I just don't see how Cindy thought Casey could keep that house up. IMO, she knew deep down that she wasn't working. Maybe she used the house to try and push Casey to get a job, lol.

Even if Casey had a job and could pay bills, if Cindy was going to follow through and divorce George, half of that house would be his. She'd have to pay him off.

[desmom]

Yeah but don't forget, Cindy paid for that house primarily, so she had equity in it, and with her retirement account depleted, I can't see her losing the only thing she has, which is the house.

As far as Kronk getting an attorney, I would imagine that the county was required to get him an attorney because he found the remains while on the clock.

The State questioned Cindy about the equity in the house at the bond hearing. I tried to find the video, but all those old links are not working. The state asked about the equity in the house, Cindy said something about she refinanced or borrowed against the equity.

Things have changed a lot regarding walking away from homes. Years ago, it was unheard of for someone to walk away from their home. Today, it is not that uncommon.

If Cindy was totally fed up with George and a lawyer told her George would get half the house if she divorced him, Cindy may have decided it was worth the loss of the equity to get rid of the house by giving it to Casey. Would George demand his share if Cindy gave the house to Casey and Caylee? I think no.

Or it could be ike AMS said upthread, maybe Cindy blurted out giving the house to Casey in a fit of anger...just venting her frustration and Casey ran with it.

jmo

[Sun]

My, my, my. The Clerk of Courts record is quite busy for the Criminal Case. (still no "next court hearing" date divulged).

6/10/2009 A MOTION TO RESTRICT DISCLOSURE
6/11/2009 A NOTICE OF PROVISION OF SUPPLEMENTAL DISCOVERY
6/12/2009 A MOTION TO DEPOSE WITNESSES
6/12/2009 A MOTION TO QUASH SUBPOENA DUCES TECUM
6/12/2009 A NOTICE OF APPEARANCE FILED WILLIAM R. JAY (ANTHONY LAZZARO)
6/12/2009 A STATE OF FLORIDA OBJECTION TO DEFENDANT'S MOTION TO CONTINUE FILED JUNE 8, 2009
6/12/2009 A ORDER FOR SUBPOENA DUCES TECUM
6/12/2009 A ORDER ON GEORGE AND CINDY ANTHONY'S MOTION TO RESTRICT DISCLOSURE COURT HEREBY ENTERS A TEMPORARY STAY OF THE AUTOPSY FINDINGS AND REPORTS SCHEDULED TO BE RELEASED ON JUNE 12, 2009. THE STAY WILL REMAIN INTACT UNTIL FURTHER DIRECTION FROM THE COURT
6/12/2009 A ORDER GRANTING MOTION FOR ADMISSION TO APPEAR PRO HAC VICE

[AMS]

My, my, my. The Clerk of Courts record is quite busy for the Criminal Case. (still no "next court hearing" date divulged).

6/10/2009 A MOTION TO RESTRICT DISCLOSURE
6/11/2009 A NOTICE OF PROVISION OF SUPPLEMENTAL DISCOVERY
6/12/2009 A MOTION TO DEPOSE WITNESSES
6/12/2009 A MOTION TO QUASH SUBPOENA DUCES TECUM
6/12/2009 A NOTICE OF APPEARANCE FILED WILLIAM R. JAY (ANTHONY LAZZARO) 6/12/2009 A STATE OF FLORIDA OBJECTION TO DEFENDANT'S MOTION TO CONTINUE FILED JUNE 8, 2009
6/12/2009 A ORDER FOR SUBPOENA DUCES TECUM
6/12/2009 A ORDER ON GEORGE AND CINDY ANTHONY'S MOTION TO RESTRICT DISCLOSURE COURT HEREBY ENTERS A TEMPORARY STAY OF THE AUTOPSY FINDINGS AND REPORTS SCHEDULED TO BE RELEASED ON JUNE 12, 2009. THE STAY WILL REMAIN INTACT UNTIL FURTHER DIRECTION FROM THE COURT
6/12/2009 A ORDER GRANTING MOTION FOR ADMISSION TO APPEAR PRO HAC VICE


Thaks Sun. Bolding mine. What does that mean?

6/12/2009 A NOTICE OF APPEARANCE FILED WILLIAM R. JAY (ANTHONY LAZZARO)

imo

[Barbara fl.]

The State questioned Cindy about the equity in the house at the bond hearing. I tried to find the video, but all those old links are not working. The state asked about the equity in the house, Cindy said something about she refinanced or borrowed against the equity.

Things have changed a lot regarding walking away from homes. Years ago, it was unheard of for someone to walk away from their home. Today, it is not that uncommon.

If Cindy was totally fed up with George and a lawyer told her George would get half the house if she divorced him, Cindy may have decided it was worth the loss of the equity to get rid of the house by giving it to Casey. Would George demand his share if Cindy gave the house to Casey and Caylee? I think no.

Or it could be ike AMS said upthread, maybe Cindy blurted out giving the house to Casey in a fit of anger...just venting her frustration and Casey ran with it.

jmo


Good morning all,

Just stopped in for a moment....

In the state of Florida, 50% of everything goes to the spouse no matter who paid for it...George would have received 1/2 the house and everything that was in it had they divorced....as long as it was purchased during the marriage....

I personally do not like the law because it also goes to couples that are living together and should part....even if only one was working and paying for everything...it still must be split down the middle...children from the union get 1/3 until they reach the age of 18 (if they are the only ones left)....

Cindy could have given her share of the house (1/2) to Casey but she wouldn't have been able to turn it all over to her unless both agreed....But under the circumstances that the house is not paid for and a second mortgage was taken out or a refinancing to pull out the equity...then in reality the bank owns the home....

[*MoonRider*]

GM. Here's some youtubes of the bond hearing. Not the greatest but better than nothing. http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=MuzikmanWS&view=videos

[Sun]

The State questioned Cindy about the equity in the house at the bond hearing. I tried to find the video, but all those old links are not working. The state asked about the equity in the house, Cindy said something about she refinanced or borrowed against the equity.

Things have changed a lot regarding walking away from homes. Years ago, it was unheard of for someone to walk away from their home. Today, it is not that uncommon.

If Cindy was totally fed up with George and a lawyer told her George would get half the house if she divorced him, Cindy may have decided it was worth the loss of the equity to get rid of the house by giving it to Casey. Would George demand his share if Cindy gave the house to Casey and Caylee? I think no.

Or it could be ike AMS said upthread, maybe Cindy blurted out giving the house to Casey in a fit of anger...just venting her frustration and Casey ran with it.

jmo

I remember the State questioning Cindy about the value of her house, and what equity she had... and even what she thought the current value of it was. The line of questioning by the State, led me to believe that Cindy may very well have owed more on the house than what its current market value would be. Or at least that it would be close.

I suspect that MONEY was a huge factor in many of the arguments in the Anthony home. Huge. I think Cindy blamed George for lots of this, ....and I really would love to see a complete history of George's employment (which jobs, which days/hours worked, quit or fired) for 2007/2008. Or what type of income he was bringing into the household (unemployment, disability, etc.). I do recall George telling LE/FBI that he left one job (didn't say if he quit or was fired), and last worked on June 30, 2008 I believe. And, I think that he didn't start a new job until July 14th, if I remember correctly.

I imagine that Casey and Cindy had a huge fight because Cindy wouldn't give Casey money to go on the PR trip. Like one of the neighbors said, "Casey just acted like a spoiled brat." Cindy had vacation the first week of June, and Casey was so jealous.... because she also wanted a vacation. But, felt as if Cindy was denying her this. ...in the end, it was Caylee was paid the price.

[Sun]

Quote:
Originally Posted by desmom
The State questioned Cindy about the equity in the house at the bond hearing. I tried to find the video, but all those old links are not working. The state asked about the equity in the house, Cindy said something about she refinanced or borrowed against the equity.

Things have changed a lot regarding walking away from homes. Years ago, it was unheard of for someone to walk away from their home. Today, it is not that uncommon.

If Cindy was totally fed up with George and a lawyer told her George would get half the house if she divorced him, Cindy may have decided it was worth the loss of the equity to get rid of the house by giving it to Casey. Would George demand his share if Cindy gave the house to Casey and Caylee? I think no.

Or it could be ike AMS said upthread, maybe Cindy blurted out giving the house to Casey in a fit of anger...just venting her frustration and Casey ran with it.

jmo
I remember the State questioning Cindy about the value of her house, and what equity she had... and even what she thought the current value of it was. The line of questioning by the State, led me to believe that Cindy may very well have owed more on the house than what its current market value would be. Or at least that it would be close.

I suspect that MONEY was a huge factor in many of the arguments in the Anthony home. Huge. I think Cindy blamed George for lots of this, ....and I really would love to see a complete history of George's employment (which jobs, which days/hours worked, quit or fired) for 2007/2008. Or what type of income he was bringing into the household (unemployment, disability, etc.). I do recall George telling LE/FBI that he left one job (didn't say if he quit or was fired), and last worked on June 30, 2008 I believe. And, I think that he didn't start a new job until July 14th, if I remember correctly.

I imagine that Casey and Cindy had a huge fight because Cindy wouldn't give Casey money to go on the PR trip. Like one of the neighbors said, "Casey just acted like a spoiled brat." Cindy had vacation the first week of June, and Casey was so jealous.... because she also wanted a vacation. But, felt as if Cindy was denying her this. ...in the end, it was Caylee was paid the price.

[Sun]

Originally Posted by Sun
My, my, my. The Clerk of Courts record is quite busy for the Criminal Case. (still no "next court hearing" date divulged).

6/10/2009 A MOTION TO RESTRICT DISCLOSURE
6/11/2009 A NOTICE OF PROVISION OF SUPPLEMENTAL DISCOVERY
6/12/2009 A MOTION TO DEPOSE WITNESSES
6/12/2009 A MOTION TO QUASH SUBPOENA DUCES TECUM
6/12/2009 A NOTICE OF APPEARANCE FILED WILLIAM R. JAY (ANTHONY LAZZARO)
6/12/2009 A STATE OF FLORIDA OBJECTION TO DEFENDANT'S MOTION TO CONTINUE FILED JUNE 8, 2009
6/12/2009 A ORDER FOR SUBPOENA DUCES TECUM
6/12/2009 A ORDER ON GEORGE AND CINDY ANTHONY'S MOTION TO RESTRICT DISCLOSURE COURT HEREBY ENTERS A TEMPORARY STAY OF THE AUTOPSY FINDINGS AND REPORTS SCHEDULED TO BE RELEASED ON JUNE 12, 2009. THE STAY WILL REMAIN INTACT UNTIL FURTHER DIRECTION FROM THE COURT
6/12/2009 A ORDER GRANTING MOTION FOR ADMISSION TO APPEAR PRO HAC VICE

Thaks Sun. Bolding mine. What does that mean?

6/12/2009 A NOTICE OF APPEARANCE FILED WILLIAM R. JAY (ANTHONY LAZZARO)

imo

I am going to guess that when Lazzaro realized that he was being ordered by the court to turn over ALL his phone records, he hired an attorney to fight it. ....much just like DCasey is. (I wonder if that very, very late amended and supplemental motion that Baez filed, is now coming back to bite him.... as it really didn't give proper time/notice to the parties.)

[Patty437]

Originally Posted by Sun
My, my, my. The Clerk of Courts record is quite busy for the Criminal Case. (still no "next court hearing" date divulged).

6/10/2009 A MOTION TO RESTRICT DISCLOSURE
6/11/2009 A NOTICE OF PROVISION OF SUPPLEMENTAL DISCOVERY
6/12/2009 A MOTION TO DEPOSE WITNESSES
6/12/2009 A MOTION TO QUASH SUBPOENA DUCES TECUM
6/12/2009 A NOTICE OF APPEARANCE FILED WILLIAM R. JAY (ANTHONY LAZZARO)
6/12/2009 A STATE OF FLORIDA OBJECTION TO DEFENDANT'S MOTION TO CONTINUE FILED JUNE 8, 2009
6/12/2009 A ORDER FOR SUBPOENA DUCES TECUM
6/12/2009 A ORDER ON GEORGE AND CINDY ANTHONY'S MOTION TO RESTRICT DISCLOSURE COURT HEREBY ENTERS A TEMPORARY STAY OF THE AUTOPSY FINDINGS AND REPORTS SCHEDULED TO BE RELEASED ON JUNE 12, 2009. THE STAY WILL REMAIN INTACT UNTIL FURTHER DIRECTION FROM THE COURT
6/12/2009 A ORDER GRANTING MOTION FOR ADMISSION TO APPEAR PRO HAC VICE



I am going to guess that when Lazzaro realized that he was being ordered by the court to turn over ALL his phone records, he hired an attorney to fight it. ....much just like DCasey is. (I wonder if that very, very late amended and supplemental motion that Baez filed, is now coming back to bite him.... as it really didn't give proper time/notice to the parties.)

just googled him, atty in orlando

[Sun]

Happy Flag Day to all!

[Sun]

Originally Posted by Sun
My, my, my. The Clerk of Courts record is quite busy for the Criminal Case. (still no "next court hearing" date divulged).

6/10/2009 A MOTION TO RESTRICT DISCLOSURE
6/11/2009 A NOTICE OF PROVISION OF SUPPLEMENTAL DISCOVERY
6/12/2009 A MOTION TO DEPOSE WITNESSES
6/12/2009 A MOTION TO QUASH SUBPOENA DUCES TECUM
6/12/2009 A NOTICE OF APPEARANCE FILED WILLIAM R. JAY (ANTHONY LAZZARO)
6/12/2009 A STATE OF FLORIDA OBJECTION TO DEFENDANT'S MOTION TO CONTINUE FILED JUNE 8, 2009
6/12/2009 A ORDER FOR SUBPOENA DUCES TECUM
6/12/2009 A ORDER ON GEORGE AND CINDY ANTHONY'S MOTION TO RESTRICT DISCLOSURE COURT HEREBY ENTERS A TEMPORARY STAY OF THE AUTOPSY FINDINGS AND REPORTS SCHEDULED TO BE RELEASED ON JUNE 12, 2009. THE STAY WILL REMAIN INTACT UNTIL FURTHER DIRECTION FROM THE COURT
6/12/2009 A ORDER GRANTING MOTION FOR ADMISSION TO APPEAR PRO HAC VICE
Quote:
Originally Posted by AMS
Thaks Sun. Bolding mine. What does that mean?

6/12/2009 A NOTICE OF APPEARANCE FILED WILLIAM R. JAY (ANTHONY LAZZARO)

imo

I am going to guess that when Lazzaro realized that he was being ordered by the court to turn over ALL his phone records, he hired an attorney to fight it. ....much just like DCasey is. (I wonder if that very, very late amended and supplemental motion that Baez filed, is now coming back to bite him.... as it really didn't give proper time/notice to the parties.)

The other bolded entry on 6/12, it probably the Motion that William R. Jay filed to quash the SUBPOENA DUCES TECUM for all phone records for Lazzaro.

It appears that there may once again be a herd of attorneys in the courtroom about this same subject, all due to Baez's fishing expedition. ....will we see a court hearing set sometime during the week of June 22nd?

[Sun]

Good morning

I started a new thread for Sunday.
See you all there :seeya:

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=13192092#post13192092

???? is this thread closing?

[*MoonRider*]

The other bolded entry on 6/12, it probably the Motion that William R. Jay filed to quash the SUBPOENA DUCES TECUM for all phone records for Lazzaro.

It appears that there may once again be a herd of attorneys in the courtroom about this same subject, all due to Baez's fishing expedition. ....will we see a court hearing set sometime during the week of June 22nd?

Jose obviously has no defense. He's been whining from the very beginning, accusing the SA's of misconduct trying to remove them from the case. He's pointing fingers at Jesse, Kronk and others and his latest whining about how the jail was mean to Casey. He can shout that the OC is innocent until the cows come home but he's going to need a lot more than his irritating whining when the trial rolls around. moo

[Sun]

Jose obviously has no defense. He's been whining from the very beginning, accusing the SA's of misconduct trying to remove them from the case. He's pointing fingers at Jesse, Kronk and others and his latest whining about how the jail was mean to Casey. He can shout that the OC is innocent until the cows come home but he's going to need a lot more than his irritating whining when the trial rolls around. moo

It's my belief that Baez is just so uneducated and inexperienced and he has no clue how to try a murder case. Casey is dumb enough to not realize it, or if she did realize it, she was really really stupid for continuing on with Baez at the helm. Someone is paying Baez, and his expenses.... and I want to know who is doing this. Baez is out for money, fame and fortune. He is not operating out of his own pocket... or Casey would not have been getting a zillon in-jail visits from Baez's Firm.

[Sun]

Just what could the Autopsy report and findings contain that George and Cindy don't want the public to know?

Does it seem that George and Cindy are thinking that "the Trial" will provide them with answers to the how, why, when, where, etc.? Why are they so afraid of speculation? Or speculation before the trial? I am thinking that they are desperately afraid that speculation may lead to truths, truths that will be uncovered before the trial ever starts.

[read-in]

Just what could the Autopsy report and findings contain that George and Cindy don't want the public to know?

Does it seem that George and Cindy are thinking that "the Trial" will provide them with answers to the how, why, when, where, etc.? Why are they so afraid of speculation? Or speculation before the trial? I am thinking that they are desperately afraid that speculation may lead to truths, truths that will be uncovered before the trial ever starts.

Good Morning Sun,
I know BC, stated that G & C did not read the Autopsy Report. IMO I think they have. Perhaps the report will show a Aprrox " Time of Death" and, they dont want that know, at least for now...

I Remember them talking on a show, forget which one, they said they want to know the TRUTH as to what happened.. maybe that's true, but they dont want anyone else to know!!!! I think we all know why....

[101Spots]

The other bolded entry on 6/12, it probably the Motion that William R. Jay filed to quash the SUBPOENA DUCES TECUM for all phone records for Lazzaro.

It appears that there may once again be a herd of attorneys in the courtroom about this same subject, all due to Baez's fishing expedition. ....will we see a court hearing set sometime during the week of June 22nd?

Here's a stupid question. If some attorney/court wanted all my phone records, I could not produce them. They are listed on my bills, but I don't keep the bills for months/years. Wouldn't they have to go to the phone company *anyway*? Why are they going after the people directly, instead of the phone companies?

[*MoonRider*]

Good Morning Sun,
I know BC, stated that G & C did not read the Autopsy Report. IMO I think they have. Perhaps the report will show a Aprrox " Time of Death" and, they dont want that know, at least for now...

I Remember them talking on a show, forget which one, they said they want to know the TRUTH as to what happened.. maybe that's true, but they dont want anyone else to know!!!! I think we all know why....

I think they already know the truth in their hearts but don't want the rest of the world to know what a horrible daughter they sired. moo

[ellegna]

Just what could the Autopsy report and findings contain that George and Cindy don't want the public to know?

Does it seem that George and Cindy are thinking that "the Trial" will provide them with answers to the how, why, when, where, etc.? Why are they so afraid of speculation? Or speculation before the trial? I am thinking that they are desperately afraid that speculation may lead to truths, truths that will be uncovered before the trial ever starts.


I believe there is something very incriminating pointing directly at Casey. Poor G&C are probably worried this info will poison public opinion of Casey more and she wont get a fair trial no matter where it will be.

[read-in]

Here's a stupid question. If some attorney/court wanted all my phone records, I could not produce them. They are listed on my bills, but I don't keep the bills for months/years. Wouldn't they have to go to the phone company *anyway*? Why are they going after the people directly, instead of the phone companies?

HI SPOTS,
Maybe a Judge signs a Court order, or Supbonea { Sorry cant spell }

[msgatorslayer]

Good Morning Sun,
I know BC, stated that G & C did not read the Autopsy Report. IMO I think they have. Perhaps the report will show a Aprrox " Time of Death" and, they dont want that know, at least for now...

I Remember them talking on a show, forget which one, they said they want to know the TRUTH as to what happened.. maybe that's true, but they dont want anyone else to know!!!! I think we all know why....

The only TRUTH they'll except is that Caylee was kidnapped and murdered by someone other than their psycho Daughter, IMO.

The autopsy may say "On or about the dates between 6/15-6/16, Caylee was murdered" - That is not something the Anthony's want to hear. They want everyone to think that Caylee was very much alive, traveling around with an invisa-zanny. And didn't suffer a 'terminal event' until a much later date that, in their mind, has been undetermined.

[read-in]

I believe there is something very incriminating pointing directly at Casey. Poor G&C are probably worried this info will poison public opinion of Casey more and she wont get a fair trial no matter where it will be.

Who was it, that said "the Truth Does not Change " ????
IM thinkning DR G, will spell it out, Very clearly..

[Scampi]

Just what could the Autopsy report and findings contain that George and Cindy don't want the public to know?

Does it seem that George and Cindy are thinking that "the Trial" will provide them with answers to the how, why, when, where, etc.? Why are they so afraid of speculation? Or speculation before the trial? I am thinking that they are desperately afraid that speculation may lead to truths, truths that will be uncovered before the trial ever starts.

I think the autopsy resport may have hand drawn diagrams by Dr. G. revealing just how the duct tape was found on the skull. We know that it was still attached to the remaining hair that was on the skull and I think this will give a very good idea of how and where the duct tape was applied.

Dr. G. may also give her opinion about the residue from the heart sticker and exactly where that was located on the tape, more then likely over the mouth.

We may also hear information about animal marks on the bones that were found. imo.

[read-in]

The only TRUTH they'll except is that Caylee was kidnapped and murdered by someone other than their psycho Daughter, IMO.

The autopsy may say "On or about the dates between 6/15-6/16, Caylee was murdered" - That is not something the Anthony's want to hear. They want everyone to think that Caylee was very much alive, traveling around with an invisa-zanny. And didn't suffer a 'terminal event' until a much later date that, in their mind, has been undetermined.

ITA, They want a MISSING Grandaughter, this will help their Cause...
However, if it can be proven KC did away with her, very early on..... it may squash their foundation dreams...

[trich]

I believe there is something very incriminating pointing directly at Casey. Poor G&C are probably worried this info will poison public opinion of Casey more and she wont get a fair trial no matter where it will be.

IMO it is a little too late to be worrying about that.
The damage has been done .....(that happened the day Casey murdered Caylee)
Thanks in part to their own lies and accusations



If anyone had any kind of doubt about Casey's guilt in the beginning
it is my opinion they don't now.
And we have not seen or heard the REAL EVIDENCE the prosecuters will be presenting at trial.
But everything we have leaves no doubt in my mind.

[Sun]

I think they already know the truth in their hearts but don't want the rest of the world to know what a horrible daughter they sired. moo

I believe that they knew way back in June/July of 2008. They didn't want anyone to "know" back then either. They DROVE the car home from the towyard, when they should have immediately dialed 911. (I'm not really convinced that this is the first time that they KNEW).

I kept waiting to see if LE would find something that would cause them to bring Cindy or George back in for questioning, however it seems as if the evidence collected must have pointed to only one person. And that person is Casey.

[Sun]

I believe there is something very incriminating pointing directly at Casey. Poor G&C are probably worried this info will poison public opinion of Casey more and she wont get a fair trial no matter where it will be.

I believe that George and Cindy are confusing "fair trial" for a trial in which Casey is determined not guilty. I believe that they will think that it is ONLY a fair trial, if Casey gets to walk.

Is it fair that Caylee is no longer breathing? No. And therefore Casey needs to be held accountable and suffer the consequences that the law allows. IMO, the trial will provide this relief.

[*MoonRider*]

ITA, They want a MISSING Grandaughter, this will help their Cause...
However, if it can be proven KC did away with her, very early on..... it may squash their foundation dreams...
I am stumped by by anyone would donate to the CMA Foundation. Is this the only foundation for parents of a child who murdered her child? Who are the going to help besides themselves? They feel very entitled for people who have raised a murderer. :confused:

[read-in]

I believe that they knew way back in June/July of 2008. They didn't want anyone to "know" back then either. They DROVE the car home from the towyard, when they should have immediately dialed 911. (I'm not really convinced that this is the first time that they KNEW).

I kept waiting to see if LE would find something that would cause them to bring Cindy or George back in for questioning, however it seems as if the evidence collected must have pointed to only one person. And that person is Casey.

ITA, you are sooooo Right!!!
the minute they smelled that car, they had to know that something was very very wrong..... they should have called LE right away!!!! but NO!!! George just drives the car home. How could he do that???? he knew that smell!!!! How does anyone do that???
this whole case would have been do different, if G & C would have acted on just that fact alone.... YEP YEP YEP, they had to have known.

[ellegna]

ITA, you are sooooo Right!!!
the minute they smelled that car, they had to know that something was very very wrong..... they should have called LE right away!!!! but NO!!! George just drives the car home. How could he do that???? he knew that smell!!!! How does anyone do that???
this whole case would have been do different, if G & C would have acted on just that fact alone.... YEP YEP YEP, they had to have known.

It still bothers me today what Cindy could have told her counsellor that would alarm them to recommend Cindy toss Casey out of the house and get custody of Caylee? Did Casey harm Caylee in some way? Did Caylee have unexplainable injuries? This leads me to believe something has happened to Caylee before and when George picked up the car, he knew Casey did something to Caylee.
George is a former detective. He knew better not to move the car and report ASAP. Instead he drives it home. Why? To begin covering for Casey.

[CelticDawn]

It still bothers me today what Cindy could have told her counsellor that would alarm them to recommend Cindy toss Casey out of the house and get custody of Caylee? Did Casey harm Caylee in some way? Did Caylee have unexplainable injuries? This leads me to believe something has happened to Caylee before and when George picked up the car, he knew Casey did something to Caylee.
George is a former detective. He knew better not to move the car and report ASAP. Instead he drives it home. Why? To begin covering for Casey.

cindy telling her counselor ANYTHING is QUESTIONABLE....because whatever CINDY says is for CINDYS benefit....to make CINDY look good.

she could lie to the counselor just as she lies misdirects misspeaks to the world.....for HER WON BENEFIT

[spiritwolf46]

Originally Posted by Sun
My, my, my. The Clerk of Courts record is quite busy for the Criminal Case. (still no "next court hearing" date divulged).

6/10/2009 A MOTION TO RESTRICT DISCLOSURE
6/11/2009 A NOTICE OF PROVISION OF SUPPLEMENTAL DISCOVERY
6/12/2009 A MOTION TO DEPOSE WITNESSES
6/12/2009 A MOTION TO QUASH SUBPOENA DUCES TECUM
6/12/2009 A NOTICE OF APPEARANCE FILED WILLIAM R. JAY (ANTHONY LAZZARO)
6/12/2009 A STATE OF FLORIDA OBJECTION TO DEFENDANT'S MOTION TO CONTINUE FILED JUNE 8, 2009
6/12/2009 A ORDER FOR SUBPOENA DUCES TECUM
6/12/2009 A ORDER ON GEORGE AND CINDY ANTHONY'S MOTION TO RESTRICT DISCLOSURE COURT HEREBY ENTERS A TEMPORARY STAY OF THE AUTOPSY FINDINGS AND REPORTS SCHEDULED TO BE RELEASED ON JUNE 12, 2009. THE STAY WILL REMAIN INTACT UNTIL FURTHER DIRECTION FROM THE COURT
6/12/2009 A ORDER GRANTING MOTION FOR ADMISSION TO APPEAR PRO HAC VICE



I am going to guess that when Lazzaro realized that he was being ordered by the court to turn over ALL his phone records, he hired an attorney to fight it. ....much just like DCasey is. (I wonder if that very, very late amended and supplemental motion that Baez filed, is now coming back to bite him.... as it really didn't give proper time/notice to the parties.)

Hello all!

Ya know, I just cannot believe how many people's lives that this which has ruined. These poor kids having to be questioned, go into court, hire attorneys and so on, just makes me ill. Their lives have certainly changed. This is something that will be with them for the rest of their lives. Especailly those who were lucky enough to have met that sweet little Angel, Caylee. What a shame all the way around.

Life altering situations.

[desmom]

It still bothers me today what Cindy could have told her counsellor that would alarm them to recommend Cindy toss Casey out of the house and get custody of Caylee? Did Casey harm Caylee in some way? Did Caylee have unexplainable injuries? This leads me to believe something has happened to Caylee before and when George picked up the car, he knew Casey did something to Caylee.
George is a former detective. He knew better not to move the car and report ASAP. Instead he drives it home. Why? To begin covering for Casey.

Well Ryan Pasley said, Uhm, so she actually phys…she just called me. Her mom called me uhm, you know, uh, in my summer semester, at one of my classes. I remember the specific time and what I was doing. And she basically told me, “I don’t, I don’t think it’s a good idea that you even talk to Casey anymore because she’s a,” uh, the actually, those are the exact words that came out of her mouth was that she was a sociopath.
page 15 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Pasley,%20Ryan0730.pdf

IMO, it would be hard to say what Cindy told a counselor.

[Sun]

Hello all!

Ya know, I just cannot believe how many people's lives that this which has ruined. These poor kids having to be questioned, go into court, hire attorneys and so on, just makes me ill. Their lives have certainly changed. This is something that will be with them for the rest of their lives. Especailly those who were lucky enough to have met that sweet little Angel, Caylee. What a shame all the way around.

Life altering situations.

ITA. Society needs to be protected from Casey. ...and really should be protected from her attorneys also. LOL

[desmom]

Here's a stupid question. If some attorney/court wanted all my phone records, I could not produce them. They are listed on my bills, but I don't keep the bills for months/years. Wouldn't they have to go to the phone company *anyway*? Why are they going after the people directly, instead of the phone companies?

http://www.wftv.com/news/19243193/detail.html

Sheaffer said Baez could've identified the witnesses' cell phone providers during depositions and then subpoenaed the companies' records directly. Instead, he's asked the judge's permission.

"That will force Baez to tell the court what relevance these phone records may have to the defense," Sheaffer explained.

That includes if he's asked for more witnesses' records than he really wants as a way to try to cover his tracks.

[spiritwolf46]

ITA. Society needs to be protected from Casey. ...and really should be protected from her attorneys also. LOL

Exactly. These poor young adults have had to grow up VERY FAST! Their lives, as they have known it, will never be the same. LE, FBI, grand jurys, Prosecutors, DA's, the media and the trial that we all wait for has flooded their lives. How absolutely horrifying for these kids. :mad:

[spiritwolf46]

http://www.wftv.com/news/19243193/detail.html

Sheaffer said Baez could've identified the witnesses' cell phone providers during depositions and then subpoenaed the companies' records directly. Instead, he's asked the judge's permission.

"That will force Baez to tell the court what relevance these phone records may have to the defense," Sheaffer explained.

That includes if he's asked for more witnesses' records than he really wants as a way to try to cover his tracks.

Once again, Baez showing what a MAROON he is! Sheeeesh!

[Sun]

http://www.wftv.com/news/19243193/detail.html

Sheaffer said Baez could've identified the witnesses' cell phone providers during depositions and then subpoenaed the companies' records directly. Instead, he's asked the judge's permission.

"That will force Baez to tell the court what relevance these phone records may have to the defense," Sheaffer explained.

That includes if he's asked for more witnesses' records than he really wants as a way to try to cover his tracks.

I really have thought it very odd that Baez has deposed so few of the State's Witnesses. ...the thought of Baez deposing Cindy or George is funny. LOL

[desmom]

I really have thought it very odd that Baez has deposed so few of the State's Witnesses. ...the thought of Baez deposing Cindy or George is funny. LOL

JB deposing Cindy! :lol: Now that is a depo I would watch the video and read the transcript.

[spiritwolf46]

I really have thought it very odd that Baez has deposed so few of the State's Witnesses. ...the thought of Baez deposing Cindy or George is funny. LOL

It is funny! Also, the fact that they don't "know" why Casey would want them is even funnier. Don't they realize by now that she and her attorneys are going to try to throw them under the bus for this? I truly think that they are going to play on the, George left the ladder up on the pool, theory, or at least that will be one of their theories anyway.

I say to the A's. Go ahead and stand by the little murderer! She will try to blame them from the very beginning.

Hey! What goes around, comes around.

[spiritwolf46]

JB deposing Cindy! :lol: Now that is a depo I would watch the video and read the transcript.

OH, me, too! GREATNESS!

[Sun]

JB deposing Cindy! :lol: Now that is a depo I would watch the video and read the transcript.

desmom, if it ever happens, I challenge you to find a link to it! LOL Cindy will want it kept SECRET! Or at least secret until she testifies at the trial.

[~layla~]

Here's a stupid question. If some attorney/court wanted all my phone records, I could not produce them. They are listed on my bills, but I don't keep the bills for months/years. Wouldn't they have to go to the phone company *anyway*? Why are they going after the people directly, instead of the phone companies?

Well I know my cell service provider keeps records for a certain amount of time, but I dont think its beyond 90 days. BUT in this case Im going to venture a guess that the cell companies have been alerted by OCSO to not toss any data on certain individuals.
(Ive used my cell records to press charges on someone... so I know they hold them if asked by any reputable PD or atty)

[Dells]

ITA, They want a MISSING Grandaughter, this will help their Cause...
However, if it can be proven KC did away with her, very early on..... it may squash their foundation dreams...

So true! If it is Dr. G's opinion that Caylee was murdered shortly after she went missing on or around the 16th of June, I think that will point to Casey being the one responsible for her murder. Why else would the nanny kidnap a child (whom she apparently loved very dearly) in order to teach Casey a lesson, just to almost immediately murder her? It just doesn't make any sense. I think the autopsy could very well show or at least strongly suggest that Casey, and only Casey, was the one that murdered Caylee. I think it could strongly suggest that w/the timing of the murder. So, of course The Anthony's don't want that information out there in the media because it will just make the general public even more repulsed w/their murderous daughter than we already are.:sneaky:

Good morning, friends. :seeya:

[desmom]

desmom, if it ever happens, I challenge you to find a link to it! LOL Cindy will want it kept SECRET! Or at least secret until she testifies at the trial.

It will be Bombshell Headlines and hopefully Kathi Belich will do a video summary in a news report. :tonguewag:

[Dells]

I believe that George and Cindy are confusing "fair trial" for a trial in which Casey is determined not guilty. I believe that they will think that it is ONLY a fair trial, if Casey gets to walk.

Is it fair that Caylee is no longer breathing? No. And therefore Casey needs to be held accountable and suffer the consequences that the law allows. IMO, the trial will provide this relief.

I so agree w/you. The only way that The Anthony's will think that the jury did the right thing is if they vote to acquit Casey. I think no matter how damaging the evidence is at trial, The Anthony's will never admit (or at least publicly admit) that Casey was responsible for Caylee's murder. They have blinders on and they will never see the truth. Once Casey is convicted, The Anthony's will hail Casey a martyr for being wrongfully convicted of Caylee's murder.:rolleyes:

[Dells]

Hello all!

Ya know, I just cannot believe how many people's lives that this which has ruined. These poor kids having to be questioned, go into court, hire attorneys and so on, just makes me ill. Their lives have certainly changed. This is something that will be with them for the rest of their lives. Especailly those who were lucky enough to have met that sweet little Angel, Caylee. What a shame all the way around.

Life altering situations.

I so agree w/you. Casey has literally turned everyone's lives upside down. Anyone that has ever had the misfortune of knowing her is now apparently paying a very hefty price for that association. It's so deplorable to me.:thumbdown:

[Sun]

All laughing aside, won't the defense need to depo Cindy? Do they not yet want to get her statements sworn to under oath? ...or are they waiting to give her the final playbook first?

[Dells]

Exactly. These poor young adults have had to grow up VERY FAST! Their lives, as they have known it, will never be the same. LE, FBI, grand jurys, Prosecutors, DA's, the media and the trial that we all wait for has flooded their lives. How absolutely horrifying for these kids. :mad:

It is horrifying, isn't it? All because some loser ex friend of theirs wants to get away w/murdering her own daughter. It's downright despicable.:thumbdown:

[Dells]

All laughing aside, won't the defense need to depo Cindy? Do they not yet want to get her statements sworn to under oath? ...or are they waiting to give her the final playbook first?

I think the defense team will wait to depo George, Cindy, and Lee until they know what their defense strategy will be. That script hasn't been written yet. I guess it will depend on how much dirt and reasonable doubt they can dig up on all of Casey's ex friends and associates and also how much they can dig up on Kronk.:sneaky:

[spiritwolf46]

I so agree w/you. Casey has literally turned everyone's lives upside down. Anyone that has ever had the misfortune of knowing her is now apparently paying a very hefty price for that association. It's so deplorable to me.:thumbdown:

Hiya Dells!

It has been a HUGE domino effect, hasn't it? These kids did nothing wrong. Okay, so they were partiers and drinkers, but there are some that were also college students, good kids and the like.

It has to be some what scary to them, even though had nothing to do with the murder.

I really feel for them all. Who I don't feel for are the likes of Dominic Casey and those who slapped THEMSELVES into this situation! That 15 minutes of fame sure wasn't worth it, was it?

[Sun]

It will be Bombshell Headlines and hopefully Kathi Belich will do a video summary in a news report. :tonguewag:

Kathi Belich knows the in and outs of this case. She's sharp thinking on her feet, and in the blink of an eye. She's way smarter than Baez.

[spiritwolf46]

I think the defense team will wait to depo George, Cindy, and Lee until they know what their defense strategy will be. That script hasn't been written yet. I guess it will depend on how much dirt and reasonable doubt they can dig up on all of Casey's ex friends and associates and also how much they can dig up on Kronk.:sneaky:

So sad, but SO TRUE! They are going to try to dig up every single bit of dirt they can on these innocent victims!

I often wonder what the financial cost of their attorneys have been and if they are getting any help at all with that.

Here we have Geo and Cindy getting FREE money for a fake cause, not working and having money to live on, while these kids are having to face fees WAY beyond their means of paying for it. I sure hope that most of their attorneys are doing this for free.

[spiritwolf46]

Kathi Belich knows the in and outs of this case. She's sharp thinking on her feet, and in the blink of an eye. She's way smarter than Baez.

LOL! YES she IS! She has to be one of my favorite reporters EVER!

ETA: I wonder, with her exposure to this case and how great she has handled it, if she will get a national offer for a job. Something like MSNBC or like that. I sure hope so. She is awesome at her job!

[~layla~]

cindy telling her counselor ANYTHING is QUESTIONABLE....because whatever CINDY says is for CINDYS benefit....to make CINDY look good.

she could lie to the counselor just as she lies misdirects misspeaks to the world.....for HER WON BENEFIT

.... this.

[Unleashed]

Kathi Belich knows the in and outs of this case. She's sharp thinking on her feet, and in the blink of an eye. She's way smarter than Baez.

Not to put KB down, cuz I love her, but my pet rock is smarter than Baez. :tongueside:

JMO

[really3997]

was there no recap the day happenings last year...Although it creeps me out a bit I make sure I at least read that... Des...:confused:

[CelticDawn]

Hello all!

Ya know, I just cannot believe how many people's lives that this which has ruined. These poor kids having to be questioned, go into court, hire attorneys and so on, just makes me ill. Their lives have certainly changed. This is something that will be with them for the rest of their lives. Especailly those who were lucky enough to have met that sweet little Angel, Caylee. What a shame all the way around.

Life altering situations.



You know....I dont look at this as having ruined these YOUNG peoples lives......The way I see it si that....they may have been stolen from and lied to by casey....BUT, they have also learened VERY VALUABLE lessons in life that will PROTECT THEM FROM OTHERS LIKE CASEY in their futures.....

Maybe coming into contact with something like Casey NOW as opposed to later when say they had MUCH MORE materialisticly , to lose....or maybe even a FAMILY or other life investments was somehow a good thing.

[CelticDawn]

.... this.

huh???

"...this"

did I say something wrong (besides my normally bad spelling typing and grammar???)

[Imperfect4]

was there no recap the day happenings last year...Although it creeps me out a bit I make sure I at least read that... Des...:confused:

She did one. Look at the last page or two of yesterday's thread. (It continued on until this morning.)

[Unleashed]

huh???

"...this"

did I say something wrong (besides my normally bad spelling typing and grammar???)


Not that I saw, CD.
Maybe the post reply got hit too soon.


JMO

[really3997]

She did one. Look at the last page or two of yesterday's thread. (It continued on until this morning.)

Thanks Bunches

[really3997]

I have a question that´s in my mind for quite a long time.

Aren´t you walking your dogs in the woods down there in the US?
I looked at google maps and found that this is the only forest (where they found Caylee) around
there. Don´t you walk your dogs in there?
Wouldn´t a dog have smelled (sorry:blushing:) the little one there.
My dog would have - I think.
Sorry for asking.

LL

Who knows what lurks in the forest in Florida. We have had Black Bear reports, alligators, snakes, etc..nope no way is my doggie going in these woods

[Imperfect4]

I have a question that´s in my mind for quite a long time.

Aren´t you walking your dogs in the woods down there in the US?
I looked at google maps and found that this is the only forest (where they found Caylee) around
there. Don´t you walk your dogs in there?
Wouldn´t a dog have smelled (sorry:blushing:) the little one there.
My dog would have - I think.
Sorry for asking.

LL

Hi ll,

I don't live in Florida (though I've vacationed there), but I believe the area where Caylee's remains were found was under water quite a bit of the time she lay there.

Also, the "woods" in Florida are more like swamps than forested areas, complete with critters like snakes and even alligators. I doubt dog owners walk into those marshy areas too often ... I know I wouldn't.

[desmom]

was there no recap the day happenings last year...Although it creeps me out a bit I make sure I at least read that... Des...:confused:

The weekends confuse me...there were only 10 pages yesterday, so I posted it there because last weekend CW merged Saturday and Sunday's....I so confused but...it don't take much to confuse me.

One year ago today on Saturday, June 14, 2008

Sometime around the middle of June, Casey told Jamie Realander, Fusian employee, she would drive to Oviedo and they would go partying. Casey canceled because she said she had got a ticket in Orlando. http://www.docstoc.com/docs/4823998/Casey-Anthony-Jamie-Realander-interview

Chris Stutz saw Casey at Scoop sometime around this date. http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0926/17564652.pdf

Text messages between Casey and Amy: http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1772101/AH-and-KC-Text-Messages

Amy to Casey: Hey, do you think we can tow my car to your place? We are going to fix it and sell it. I just have to put it somewhere until my dad can come up to do the work. Probably. The first weekend in July.

Amy to Casey: OK. I finally got Will going. We are about to leave to see his buddy about towing. Where is Tony’s place so I can tell them and the name of it again?

Casey to Amy 06/14 6:09 p.m.: Sutton Place. On University between Goldenrod and Forsyth.

Amy to Casey: Sweet. Thanks love. Once I have details I’ll text.

Casey to Amy 06/14 6:10 p.m.: Awesome.

Amy to Casey: We are on our way with the tow truck to my house so we should be at Tony’s in like 30.

Casey to Amy 06/14 8:20 p.m.: Awesome.

Casey to Amy 06/14 8:21 p.m.: He said it doesn’t matter where you park it.

Amy to Casey: Awesome. Thanks to you both.

Casey to Amy 06/14 8:23 p.m.: Anytime love! I’ll get it towed to the house one day this week.

Amy to Casey: You don’t think we can leave it there?

Casey to Amy 06/14 8:25 p.m.: Actually we probably could. I don’t see why not. I’ll check with the people at his clubhouse tomorrow morning.

Amy to Casey: I can get a cover for it. It just seems silly to keep towing it.

Casey to Amy 06/14 8:27 p.m.: Agreed. That’ll work.

Amy to Casey: Is it on the left or right?

Casey to Amy 06/14 8:55 p.m.: Depends on which way you're coming. If you’re coming from Goldenrod it’s on the left. From 436 or Forsyth it’s on the right.

[ish]

Hi ll,

I don't live in Florida (though I've vacationed there), but I believe the area where Caylee's remains were found was under water quite a bit of the time she lay there.

Also, the "woods" in Florida are more like swamps than forested areas, complete with critters like snakes and even alligators. I doubt dog owners walk into those marshy areas too often ... I know I wouldn't.

my sister and her family have been in Florida for a long time and when visiting her she always warns me about letting my two dachshunds get near any watery area, always a danger of gators and snakes, plus very disgusting mud and muck that stinks, I think most people keep there dogs clear of it,

[AnniePie]

Hiya Dells!

It has been a HUGE domino effect, hasn't it? These kids did nothing wrong. Okay, so they were partiers and drinkers, but there are some that were also college students, good kids and the like.

It has to be some what scary to them, even though had nothing to do with the murder.

I really feel for them all. Who I don't feel for are the likes of Dominic Casey and those who slapped THEMSELVES into this situation! That 15 minutes of fame sure wasn't worth it, was it?

A lot of young people this age are partyers and drinkers (myself included), but they turn out to be fine upstanding citizens once they get their acts together. No matter what they were doing, they didn't deserve this mess to happen in their lives. My sons are this age, and I can't imagine the devastation they would be feeling if something like this happened with a "friend" of theirs.

ITA with your assessment of DC et al. How does it feel to be "famous" now, you guys? What amazing DOOFI they are! :ohmy:

(Good morning everyone! Checking in from Spokane, WA this morning, and on my way back home to my very own bed.)

[CelticDawn]

I have a question that´s in my mind for quite a long time.

Aren´t you walking your dogs in the woods down there in the US?
I looked at google maps and found that this is the only forest (where they found Caylee) around
there. Don´t you walk your dogs in there?
Wouldn´t a dog have smelled (sorry:blushing:) the little one there.
My dog would have - I think.
Sorry for asking.

LL


most of the people who walk their dogs would do so on some neatly manicured dog-walking path (at least around a touristy town like Orlando)....even in the neighborhoods....It was an area that during the wet season would be prone to standing water so I doubt it was frequented by dog walkers of any kind....not even your odd adventurous type of dog-walker.

I agree, though....My dogs would have alerted

[~layla~]

:wub:huh???

"...this"

did I say something wrong (besides my normally bad spelling typing and grammar???)

eeek! sorry .... internet social sites say "this" ... when you agree. as in couldnt have said it better so I second your thoughts

[*MoonRider*]

:wub:

eeek! sorry .... internet social sites say "this" ... when you agree. as in couldnt have said it better so I second your thoughts

I'm not up on social skills but I do like to learn new things. :biggrin:

[desmom]

I have a question that´s in my mind for quite a long time.

Aren´t you walking your dogs in the woods down there in the US?
I looked at google maps and found that this is the only forest (where they found Caylee) around
there. Don´t you walk your dogs in there?
Wouldn´t a dog have smelled (sorry:blushing:) the little one there.
My dog would have - I think.
Sorry for asking.

LL

I am not in Florida and only can go on what I learned from the locals during the Trenton Duckett case. They have these woodsy low lying areas that usually flood during heavy rains/hurricane season. The foliage can become pretty dense and a favorite place for all kinds of not so nice critters to make home. jmo

Here is the video Psychic Gale St. John did when she was in FL in August. They are on Suburban Drive http://psychicgalestjohn.com/blinddrive/

[~layla~]

I'm not up on social skills but I do like to learn new things. :biggrin:

LOL
I belong to a huge 50K+ community... its rare that you have an independant thought... and further.. being the first 10 to say it!

(gossip site ONTD (http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/)) Dont click if you are easily offended by language.

Also there are several abbreviations that arent used here, but I guessed "this" would be understood. I feel bad that Dawn would think anything but good comes from her posts! She does mimic a lot of my thoughts.

Even on the gossip site, Casey is much hated and much ridiculed for her idiocy. The kids are there are much younger, hipper, together than she had ever planned to be.

[Lavinia]

A lot of young people this age are partyers and drinkers (myself included), but they turn out to be fine upstanding citizens once they get their acts together. No matter what they were doing, they didn't deserve this mess to happen in their lives. My sons are this age, and I can't imagine the devastation they would be feeling if something like this happened with a "friend" of theirs.

ITA with your assessment of DC et al. How does it feel to be "famous" now, you guys? What amazing DOOFI they are! <stole your OHMY>

(Good morning everyone! Checking in from Spokane, WA this morning, and on my way back home to my very own bed.)

Well, Miss Annie, do you have an *excuse* for being out all night? :no:

I agree with ya'. No way in heck I would want to be judged solely on my teen/young adult years. While I wasn't a thief, or violent, nor did I have RPD :laugh:, let's just say I might not have appeared quite so, ahem, responsible. I just hadn't *learned* all the consequences and ways one needs to be responsible yet. I'm a good girl now, other than, <GULP>, ROAD TRIPS! :scared:

(Where are all our Canadian posters lately?)

[Dells]

huh???

"...this"

did I say something wrong (besides my normally bad spelling typing and grammar???)

I took it to mean that they agreed w/your post.:thumbup:

[CelticDawn]

:wub:

eeek! sorry .... internet social sites say "this" ... when you agree. as in couldnt have said it better so I second your thoughts

Ok....sorry I just am uninformed about social sites and such because I have been banished and in exile from my only social network....(which turns out to be a good thing) :laugh:

I found you guys and yall are MUCH MORE INTERESTING AND NON-JUDGEMENTAL than anywhere Ive been.

[ttcRider]

Well, Miss Annie, do you have an *excuse* for being out all night? :no:

I agree with ya'. No way in heck I would want to be judged solely on my teen/young adult years. While I wasn't a thief, or violent, nor did I have RPD :laugh:, let's just say I might not have appeared quite so, ahem, responsible. I just hadn't *learned* all the consequences and ways one needs to be responsible yet. I'm a good girl now, other than, <GULP>, ROAD TRIPS! :scared:

(Where are all our Canadian posters lately?)

Here I am!!
I was out all night too!

[really3997]

BLACK BEARS :scared:? In Florida? uups.
Never heard of that before. I heard that Gators are there. And Snakes.
We don´t have Gators here but Snakes. Few though.
But I think I read that the kids/teens Casey were hanging out there.
With Black Bears, Gators and Snakes around?
And from looking on google where would the Gators be. In that big pond behind Hopespring?

Maybe I should visit Florida next holiday to understand.
Without my dog though!!
THX
LL

There was one also spotted closer to Orlando but I couldn't locate that story

http://www.wftv.com/news/19620889/detail.html

[read-in]

Well, Miss Annie, do you have an *excuse* for being out all night? :no:

I agree with ya'. No way in heck I would want to be judged solely on my teen/young adult years. While I wasn't a thief, or violent, nor did I have RPD :laugh:, let's just say I might not have appeared quite so, ahem, responsible. I just hadn't *learned* all the consequences and ways one needs to be responsible yet. I'm a good girl now, other than, <GULP>, ROAD TRIPS! :scared:

(Where are all our Canadian posters lately?)

Hi Lavinia,
Can you remind me what RPD stands for??? TIA

[~layla~]

rpd=ridiculous personality disease? ... just a guess. :laugh:

[Unleashed]

Well, Miss Annie, do you have an *excuse* for being out all night? :no:

I agree with ya'. No way in heck I would want to be judged solely on my teen/young adult years. While I wasn't a thief, or violent, nor did I have RPD :laugh:, let's just say I might not have appeared quite so, ahem, responsible. I just hadn't *learned* all the consequences and ways one needs to be responsible yet. I'm a good girl now, other than, <GULP>, ROAD TRIPS! :scared:

(Where are all our Canadian posters lately?)

Well, I've been sick, but I've lost track of ttc. So that makes 3 of us, don't know about the rest.

JMO

[Remy]

Well, Miss Annie, do you have an *excuse* for being out all night?

I agree with ya'. No way in heck I would want to be judged solely on my teen/young adult years. While I wasn't a thief, or violent, nor did I have RPD :laugh:, let's just say I might not have appeared quite so, ahem, responsible. I just hadn't *learned* all the consequences and ways one needs to be responsible yet. I'm a good girl now, other than, <GULP>, ROAD TRIPS! :scared:

(Where are all our Canadian posters lately?)

You rang?:sneaky: Good afternoon young lady! (Sorry, I had to eat your icon)

[sunstar]

Hi everybody! I was just remembering, even though the dates are different, one year ago today ~ Sunday ~ was Fathers' Day. :crying: If only we could turn back the calendar for little Caylee and have everything turn out differently.

[imc_e]

Well, I've been sick, but I've lost track of ttc. So that makes 3 of us, don't know about the rest.

JMO

I'm here, but I have lost track of ttc too!

[Unleashed]

I'm here, but I have lost track of ttc too!

Okay, ttc just rolled out of bed, so that makes 5 of us. I think we need an official head count. :blink:

[crimeq]

Who was it, that said "the Truth Does not Change " ????
IM thinkning DR G, will spell it out, Very clearly..

I wonder how Dr G feels about the autopsy report being withheld (for now). Under the laws of the State of Florida, that's kind of a slap in the face to her hard work and HER quest for truth for victims.

Well, it will come out at trial, so I suppose she's not all that concerned; hopefully, next week Judge Strickland will rule on the side of the media and the autopsy report will be released.

If that doesn't happen, I think we should create a petition ourselves to release the autopsy report under the laws of the State of Florida.

[read-in]

I wonder how Dr G feels about the autopsy report being withheld (for now). Under the laws of the State of Florida, that's kind of a slap in the face to her hard work and HER quest for truth for victims.

Well, it will come out at trial, so I suppose she's not all that concerned; hopefully, next week Judge Strickland will rule on the side of the media and the autopsy report will be released.

If that doesn't happen, I think we should create a petition ourselves to release the autopsy report under the laws of the State of Florida.

Im in, just let me know what i need to do:biggrin:

[crimeq]

I think the autopsy resport may have hand drawn diagrams by Dr. G. revealing just how the duct tape was found on the skull. We know that it was still attached to the remaining hair that was on the skull and I think this will give a very good idea of how and where the duct tape was applied.

Dr. G. may also give her opinion about the residue from the heart sticker and exactly where that was located on the tape, more then likely over the mouth.

We may also hear information about animal marks on the bones that were found. imo.

Dr G likes to fight for the victims. I'm sure she included as much as she could conclude, professionally.

Mornin' Scampi :seeya:

[imc_e]

I was thinking about tomorrow being the 15th of June, the last day Caylee was alive, and I wondered if we could light candles in our home and make it her day of remembrance here on the forum.

Any plans yet?

[sunstar]

I wonder how Dr G feels about the autopsy report being withheld (for now). Under the laws of the State of Florida, that's kind of a slap in the face to her hard work and HER quest for truth for victims.

Well, it will come out at trial, so I suppose she's not all that concerned; hopefully, next week Judge Strickland will rule on the side of the media and the autopsy report will be released.

If that doesn't happen, I think we should create a petition ourselves to release the autopsy report under the laws of the State of Florida.

I think the Judge will probably rule to have it released also. But if not, I'm with you that it should be released according to the law. I just don't want the defense to be able to claim that the jury pool was 'tainted' by the release of the report though, and have anything worthwhile to appeal after her conviction. :smile: MOO

[crimeq]

ITA, They want a MISSING Grandaughter, this will help their Cause...
However, if it can be proven KC did away with her, very early on..... it may squash their foundation dreams...

I read someplace, maybe on the nevaeh threads, that the color for missing children is green. We've all noticed Cindy wearing lots of green, and I assumed it to be in support of Casey who thinks she's the luck o'the Irish because she was born "near" St Paddy's day.

Someone mentioned the other day that the bear at the memorial service (probably the urn containing Caylee's ashes) was dressed in green.

Cindy continues to see Caylee as a MISSING child, not a child murdered by her own mother.

ETA: She also refers to Caylee's death euphamistically as "Caylee's Tragedy". The only tragedy in the picture is that Caylee was born into that god-awful family.

[read-in]

I was thinking about tomorrow being the 15th of June, the last day Caylee was alive, and I wondered if we could light candles in our home and make it her day of remembrance here on the forum.

Any plans yet?

Should we send a little reminder to casey????:sneaky:

[sunstar]

I read someplace, maybe on the nevaeh threads, that the color for missing children is green. We've all noticed Cindy wearing lots of green, and I assumed it to be in support of Casey who thinks she's the luck o'the Irish because she was born "near" St Paddy's day.

Someone mentioned the other day that the bear at the memorial service (probably the urn containing Caylee's ashes) was dressed in green.

Cindy continues to see Caylee as a MISSING child, not a child murdered by her own mother.

Yes, the reference to green was during the report about green balloons being released during NB's service yesterday. I never thought of that as why Cindy dresses in that color or associating it with the bear. Interesting thought that she'd still think of Caylee as missing, especially if that bear does contain her ashes. :sad: I just assumed it was because of the shamrocks and such. MOO

[CelticDawn]

I was thinking about tomorrow being the 15th of June, the last day Caylee was alive, and I wondered if we could light candles in our home and make it her day of remembrance here on the forum.

Any plans yet?

I have made plans with my kids and some other relatives to go to St Josephs Abbey in St Tamany Parish and light candles in Caylees name as well as other kids who have been lost.

As I have been following this case, so have my children....even though the youngest ones don't quite understand it all.....and other family have also become emotionally invested in seeking justice for caylee.....

Strange how we have like adopted her.....even in death, she is now a part of our family.

[sunstar]

I was thinking about tomorrow being the 15th of June, the last day Caylee was alive, and I wondered if we could light candles in our home and make it her day of remembrance here on the forum.

Any plans yet?
That would be a wonderful idea! :wub:

[shellzbi]

Did Tony Lazzaro go back to New York? Thanks.

[crimeq]

Kathi Belich knows the in and outs of this case. She's sharp thinking on her feet, and in the blink of an eye. She's way smarter than Baez.

Remember when Baez asked her on camera, "Kathi, what law school did you go to?" What a stooge.

Yes, she does know the ins and outs of this case and I think she intimidates Baez considerably :laugh:

[crimeq]

was there no recap the day happenings last year...Although it creeps me out a bit I make sure I at least read that... Des...:confused:

Des posted in the last thread, when it was still open this morning.

[crimeq]

Hi everybody! I was just remembering, even though the dates are different, one year ago today ~ Sunday ~ was Fathers' Day. :crying: If only we could turn back the calendar for little Caylee and have everything turn out differently.

So it was. Sweet little Caylee. Yes, if only we could turn back the calendar and get a better outcome.

[Scampi]

Remember when Baez asked her on camera, "Kathi, what law school did you go to?" What a stooge.

Yes, she does know the ins and outs of this case and I think she intimidates Baez considerably :laugh:

Yoooo Hoooo little nightowl!! Finally we're posting at the same time. :seeya:

Kathy's the best, my all time favorite was when she "Belich Bellowed" out to the OC as she was leaving the jail "Why are you strutting Casey?"

Second all time fav is the last minnie pc the defense team gave on the courthouse steps and she made Todd Macaluso run away like a frightened little girl. :laugh:

[Imperfect4]

Dr G likes to fight for the victims. I'm sure she included as much as she could conclude, professionally.

Mornin' Scampi :seeya:

My money's on media attorneys making a very solid case for releasing the report. :thumbup:

[read-in]

I read someplace, maybe on the nevaeh threads, that the color for missing children is green. We've all noticed Cindy wearing lots of green, and I assumed it to be in support of Casey who thinks she's the luck o'the Irish because she was born "near" St Paddy's day.

Someone mentioned the other day that the bear at the memorial service (probably the urn containing Caylee's ashes) was dressed in green.

Cindy continues to see Caylee as a MISSING child, not a child murdered by her own mother.

ETA: She also refers to Caylee's death euphamistically as "Caylee's Tragedy". The only tragedy in the picture is that Caylee was born into that god-awful family.


I think it would be nice if cindy wore caylee's favorite color, in remeberance of her murdered granddaughter. that imo would be more fitting.


Caylee was never missing. I think the autopsy reports will show something the can prove it was shortly after the 15/16 time frame.

[crimeq]

Yes, the reference to green was during the report about green balloons being released during NB's service yesterday. I never thought of that as why Cindy dresses in that color or associating it with the bear. Interesting thought that she'd still think of Caylee as missing, especially if that bear does contain her ashes. :sad: I just assumed it was because of the shamrocks and such. MOO

That's what I assumed too, Sun -- that it was "shamrock dressing" to support Casey. It was just interesting to me to learn that green is the color for missing children, and wonder if Cindy knew that too, and was doing double-duty with all her green tops.

[Imperfect4]

I read someplace, maybe on the nevaeh threads, that the color for missing children is green. We've all noticed Cindy wearing lots of green, and I assumed it to be in support of Casey who thinks she's the luck o'the Irish because she was born "near" St Paddy's day.

Someone mentioned the other day that the bear at the memorial service (probably the urn containing Caylee's ashes) was dressed in green.

Cindy continues to see Caylee as a MISSING child, not a child murdered by her own mother.

ETA: She also refers to Caylee's death euphamistically as "Caylee's Tragedy". The only tragedy in the picture is that Caylee was born into that god-awful family.

My bold ...

Are you joking me? She's actually called Caylee's MURDER "Caylee's Tragedy"????? :cursing::cursing::angry:

[desmom]

Yoooo Hoooo little nightowl!! Finally we're posting at the same time. :seeya:

Kathy's the best, my all time favorite was when she "Belich Bellowed" out to the OC as she was leaving the jail "Why are you strutting Casey?"

Second all time fav is the last minnie pc the defense team gave on the courthouse steps and she made Todd Macaluso run away like a frightened little girl. :laugh:

Here is a present for ya Scampi

http://www.wftv.com/video/17636551/index.html

[crimeq]

Yoooo Hoooo little nightowl!! Finally we're posting at the same time. :seeya:

Kathy's the best, my all time favorite was when she "Belich Bellowed" out to the OC as she was leaving the jail "Why are you strutting Casey?"

Second all time fav is the last minnie pc the defense team gave on the courthouse steps and she made Todd Macaluso run away like a frightened little girl. :laugh:

Hi :seeya: Yes, I do tend to post late at night, often left speaking to myself alone! There are some other wonderful night posters though, and I noticed we picked up some brand new posters last night (hi to all of them, and welcome!).

Kathi goes after her subjects very assertively. I loved the way Todd M was running away from her! He looked really scared.

And yes, the "why are you strutting, Casey" -- Kathi had Casey's number from the very beginning.

[Imperfect4]

That's what I assumed too, Sun -- that it was "shamrock dressing" to support Casey. It was just interesting to me to learn that green is the color for missing children, and wonder if Cindy knew that too, and was doing double-duty with all her green tops.

My guess is Cindy thinks she looks good in green. :rolleyes:

[crimeq]

I think it would be nice if cindy wore caylee's favorite color, in remeberance of her murdered granddaughter. that imo would be more fitting.


Caylee was never missing. I think the autopsy reports will show something the can prove it was shortly after the 15/16 time frame.

I agree, and Casey's favorite color was lavender. George wore a lavender shirt to the memorial service.

[frances1]

I read someplace, maybe on the nevaeh threads, that the color for missing children is green. We've all noticed Cindy wearing lots of green, and I assumed it to be in support of Casey who thinks she's the luck o'the Irish because she was born "near" St Paddy's day.

Someone mentioned the other day that the bear at the memorial service (probably the urn containing Caylee's ashes) was dressed in green.

Cindy continues to see Caylee as a MISSING child, not a child murdered by her own mother.

ETA: She also refers to Caylee's death euphamistically as "Caylee's Tragedy". The only tragedy in the picture is that Caylee was born into that god-awful family.

Yes, crimeq, and wasn't it JB who referred to Caylee's murder as a 'terminal event'?

[crimeq]

My bold ...

Are you joking me? She's actually called Caylee's MURDER "Caylee's Tragedy"????? :cursing::cursing::angry:

Yes, on Larry King Live. Awful, huh.

[read-in]

Here is a present for ya Scampi

http://www.wftv.com/video/17636551/index.html

OMG, she is strutting!!!! her baby is gone, and she looks and acts like she does not have a care in the world...Hmmmm Strutting:drool:

[crimeq]

Here is a present for ya Scampi

http://www.wftv.com/video/17636551/index.html

Wow, Casey really was working it, wasn't she.

Did you hear Kathi's little laugh, after she asked Casey why she was strutting like that? She had Casey's number SO fast.

[crimeq]

Yes, crimeq, and wasn't it JB who referred to Caylee's murder as a 'terminal event'?

Yes, it sure was. All of this euphemistic language to substitute the word identifying what happened -- MURDER!

[Lavinia]

Here I am!!
I was out all night too!

Well I knew YOU were, bad thang! :tonguewag: (And yes, I was wondering where you were!)

I was thinking about you guys particularly last night when I was comparing how your country feels about Homolka's family as opposed to how we feel about the A's. I've read that the H's family, even though they stand behind Karla 100%, is treated with empathy. I imagine the H's have quite different personalities than the Ants if this is the case.

[crimeq]

OMG, she is strutting!!!! her baby is gone, and she looks and acts like she does not have a care in the world...Hmmmm Strutting:drool:

And smiling, grinning -- yep, not a care in the world. She really believed she was going to walk away from this.

And that still makes me wonder if the whole thing wasn't scripted early-on by Cindy -- Caylee died, and Cindy said, don't worry, we'll take care of it. And Casey believed that would happen, because they always cleaned up her messes.

I just cannot imagine anyone in Casey's position looking so unconcerned!