Friday, June 12, 2009 #1

[desmom]

One year ago today......Thursday, June 12, 2008



Tone, Casey & Caylee to the Anthony home for a change of clothes for Caylee before going to the Mall of Millennia to promote Tone’s hip-hop showcase on the 13th. Casey and Caylee shopped while Tone handed out fliers. Afterward he treated them to a late lunch/early dinner at Cheesecake Factory. After eating, Casey dropped Tone off at his apartment. http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0923/17540075.pdf

June 10/11/12 Maria Kissh saw Casey and Caylee at Tone’s. She was concerned about Caylee being on the balcony unattended. http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Kissh%20%20Maria-0717.pdf

Ricardo went to Tampa after he got off work. He returned in the afternoon of June 13. http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1643158/Morales-Ricardo---Statement

Text messages between Casey and Amy: http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1772101/AH-and-KC-Text-Messages

Casey to Amy 6/12 12:05 a.m.: How is it?

Amy to Casey: Chill only like one hot guy.

Casey to Amy 6/12 12:06 a.m.: Boo. We need to find you one.

Amy to Casey: I know. Maybe Friday those kind of guys like my a**.

Casey to Amy 6/12 10:24 p.m.: I’m getting ready to make a stupid late call for work. I’ll call you back in a bit!

Amy to Casey: All good.

[desmom]

Anthonys Want Autopsy Results Sealed
http://www.wesh.com/news/19724301/detail.html

According to her assistant, Medical Examiner Dr. Jan Garavaglia included results of toxicology and anthropology tests done on Caylee's remains.

Judge Orders Temporary Stay Of Caylee Autopsy Details
http://www.wftv.com/news/19725145/detail.html

[desmom]

Anthony PI says he should not be held in contempt of court
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-dominic-casey-061109,0,5865978.story

"This litigation is a cynical and frivolous exploitation of a family's tragedy," .....

"How would information from Dominic Casey help the Zenaida Gonzalez defamation case?" attorney Diana M. Tennis asked in her brief to have the contempt motion dispelled. "It wouldn't."

[desmom]

Is this a dig at BC from Judge Strickland? http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19728765/detail.html

"For reasons unknown to the Court the motion was served only upon the State Attorney's Office. The real party in interest in this matter is the various news media."

[Scampi]

Good morning Des and everyone. Great links to start off the day. This countdown is very sad, but so interesting.

Here is the link to Nancy Grace, where they discussed an article in the National Enquirerer, this magazine claims to have an informant on the inside reporting on casey anthonys bizarre behavior.

Susie Moss also gave her opinion of the autopsy report:

MOSS: There`s probably something substantially that`s going to make us crazy when we see that report. I have a feeling you`re going to be screaming bombshell a lot once we see that report and we will see that report.

I laughed at Susie's phrase "screaming bombshell..." :tongueside:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/11/ng.01.html

[desmom]

Good morning Des and everyone. Great links to start off the day. This countdown is very sad, but so interesting.

Here is the link to Nancy Grace, where they discussed an article in the National Enquirerer, this magazine claims to have an informant on the inside reporting on casey anthonys bizarre behavior.

Susie Moss also gave her opinion of the autopsy report:

MOSS: There`s probably something substantially that`s going to make us crazy when we see that report. I have a feeling you`re going to be screaming bombshell a lot once we see that report and we will see that report.

I laughed at Susie's phrase "screaming bombshell..." :tongueside:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/11/ng.01.html

I was reading a book and half listening to NG last night when I heard Susan say "screaming bombshell". I looked up to see if the cameras were showing NG's face, but missed it. Ya gotta love Susan Moss!

From your link:

NG: Ellie, reports surfacing that tot mom may be scheming to mount an insanity defense from behind bars. What have you learned about alleged nightmares, erratic mood swings and behavior, blood-curdling screams coming from her cell?

Ellie Jostad, NG producer: Well, the "National Enquirer" has a source inside the jail. They say claims that they've heard Casey Anthony waking up in the middle of the night, screaming Caylee's name, waking up other inmates. They also say her behavior has become increasingly erratic.

National Enquirer has a source inside the jail - lst it is the National Enquirer :rolleyes: 2nd - a source inside the jail is probably one of Casey's cellmates that sold their story.

Casey scheming to mount an insanity defense: Wasn't Casey evaluated when she was arrested? To use an insanity defense, wouldn't Casey have to admit she killed Caylee and how she killed Caylee; she put the duct tape and heart sticker on Caylee's little mouth; placed her body in a laundry bag and plastic garbage bags and then threw her body in the woods like she was a piece of trash?

jmo

[Explorer]

I was reading a book and half listening to NG last night when I heard Susan say "screaming bombshell". I looked up to see if the cameras were showing NG's face, but missed it. Ya gotta love Susan Moss!

From your link:

NG: Ellie, reports surfacing that tot mom may be scheming to mount an insanity defense from behind bars. What have you learned about alleged nightmares, erratic mood swings and behavior, blood-curdling screams coming from her cell?

Ellie Jostad, NG producer: Well, the "National Enquirer" has a source inside the jail. They say claims that they've heard Casey Anthony waking up in the middle of the night, screaming Caylee's name, waking up other inmates. They also say her behavior has become increasingly erratic.

National Enquirer has a source inside the jail - lst it is the National Enquirer :rolleyes: 2nd - a source inside the jail is probably one of Casey's cellmates that sold their story.

Casey scheming to mount an insanity defense: Wasn't Casey evaluated when she was arrested? To use an insanity defense, wouldn't Casey have to admit she killed Caylee and how she killed Caylee; she put the duct tape and heart sticker on Caylee's little mouth; placed her body in a laundry bag and plastic garbage bags and then threw her body in the woods like she was a piece of trash?

jmo

Oh NOW shes screaming Caylees name. Thirty one days went by and she was saying Caylee who?:mad:

[Explorer]

The closer we get to the trial the more hysterical the anthonys are going to get.

[desmom]

Release Of Anthony Autopsy Results Blocked
http://www.wesh.com/news/19733319/detail.html

Judge Stan Strickland is expected to hold a hearing on the matter next week.

[Kathlb]

*respectful snip*

Casey scheming to mount an insanity defense: Wasn't Casey evaluated when she was arrested? To use an insanity defense, wouldn't Casey have to admit she killed Caylee and how she killed Caylee; she put the duct tape and heart sticker on Caylee's little mouth; placed her body in a laundry bag and plastic garbage bags and then threw her body in the woods like she was a piece of trash?

jmo

Morning everyone! :-) It will be nice to get more docs today, it's been awhile. I think we will get the autopsy report after the media has its say. The judge is just being overly careful I think. I don't think the Anthony's have any say so on it legally. They are not in this case, their daughter is. So what they think has no bearing.

I also agree that we will see some new info from Dr. G in that report. I feel that the fact that they have not ruled out Casey's prints or DNA yet on the tape is telling. Their report was a bit confusing in its wording so until they mention her name as being ruled out, I'm going to think that there might have been something on that tape from Casey. Also, there has to be something in that report that caused Dr. G to say homicide and not death manner unknown.

I hope everyone has a good day today!
Kath

[Kathlb]

Oh NOW shes screaming Caylees name. Thirty one days went by and she was saying Caylee who?:mad:

Yep, an insanity defense won't fly. It crash landed a long time ago. :-) I am sure the prosecution isn't worried one bit about that. Especially if she really said that she hoped the trial would be moved to Miami so she could hit the beach and get a tan when she won and got released. It sounds like her to say that, but she's in for a rude awakening.

[Scampi]

I was reading a book and half listening to NG last night when I heard Susan say "screaming bombshell". I looked up to see if the cameras were showing NG's face, but missed it. Ya gotta love Susan Moss!

From your link:

NG: Ellie, reports surfacing that tot mom may be scheming to mount an insanity defense from behind bars. What have you learned about alleged nightmares, erratic mood swings and behavior, blood-curdling screams coming from her cell?

Ellie Jostad, NG producer: Well, the "National Enquirer" has a source inside the jail. They say claims that they've heard Casey Anthony waking up in the middle of the night, screaming Caylee's name, waking up other inmates. They also say her behavior has become increasingly erratic.

National Enquirer has a source inside the jail - lst it is the National Enquirer :rolleyes: 2nd - a source inside the jail is probably one of Casey's cellmates that sold their story.

Casey scheming to mount an insanity defense: Wasn't Casey evaluated when she was arrested? To use an insanity defense, wouldn't Casey have to admit she killed Caylee and how she killed Caylee; she put the duct tape and heart sticker on Caylee's little mouth; placed her body in a laundry bag and plastic garbage bags and then threw her body in the woods like she was a piece of trash?

jmo


I guess we should be skeptical of any info put out by the NE, but I followed several cases where their info was legit.

CA was evaluated initially to determine if she was a danger to herself, imo. I do not think the State requested an indepth psych eval.

I think this is one of the first things Lyon will do, have a psychiatric evaluation done on the OC. Personally, I think her defense will revolve around diminished capacity, at any rate, according to Lyon's previous writings a psychiatrist is a must on any DP case, if only to be utilized in the penalty phase.

I missed The Amazing One's reaction to Susie's remark too, bet it was a doozy!

[Explorer]

I have a feeling when the autopsy results are made public people are going to more furoius than they are now if that is at all possible.

[desmom]

If Casey is having nightmares, I think it is because Lyon laid it on the table for her. IMO, Lyon popped the JB balloon of "When they hear your side of the story, they will have an Aha moment and I am going to get you off".

[Dick Tracy]

If Casey is having nightmares, I think it is because Lyon laid it on the table for her. IMO, Lyon popped the JB balloon of "When they hear your side of the story, they will have an Aha moment and I am going to get you off".

I'm sure AL set her straight. I haven't seen her as a visitor to the OCSO yet though. I wonder if she is relaying everything through the waterboy?

[bchand]

Good morning Des and everyone. Great links to start off the day. This countdown is very sad, but so interesting.

Here is the link to Nancy Grace, where they discussed an article in the National Enquirerer, this magazine claims to have an informant on the inside reporting on casey anthonys bizarre behavior.

Susie Moss also gave her opinion of the autopsy report:

MOSS: There`s probably something substantially that`s going to make us crazy when we see that report. I have a feeling you`re going to be screaming bombshell a lot once we see that report and we will see that report.

I laughed at Susie's phrase "screaming bombshell..." :tongueside:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/11/ng.01.html


I've been watching for that transcript. I wish Nancy would have this guy back and ask him to share his source about this.

GRACE: Paul Batista, I`ve got the motion here in my hand where they`re trying to keep the autopsy report a secret. Isn`t that public record in?

BATISTA: The autopsy report? It will eventually be a public record, Nancy. It has to be used at the trial. But the Anthonys now are claiming that they would suffer anguish. I take them at their word. And there is a statute in Florida that exempts autopsy reports from public disclosure until it trial.

Not as far as I can see.

SUMMARY:

Autopsy reports made pursuant to law are public records which must be made available for public inspection and examination unless exempted by special act. If not exempted from disclosure by special act, an autopsy report may be kept confidential only to the extent necessary to ensure that a criminal investigation would not be significantly impeded and enable violators of the criminal laws to escape detection and apprehension. Documents or records made confidential by statute do not lose such status upon receipt by the medical examiner.

http://myfloridalegal.com/ago.nsf/Opinions/894D58D0F8A7D7A88525659400683EA1

[desmom]

IMO, this is Lyon and JB:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ov-1S8Xxd94&feature=related

[msgatorslayer]

G'morning, everyone!

Doc Dump Friday is here!!!!:thumbsup:

Today is the anniversary of the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman. :rose:

[msgatorslayer]

I've been watching for that transcript. I wish Nancy would have this guy back and ask him to share his source about this.

GRACE: Paul Batista, I`ve got the motion here in my hand where they`re trying to keep the autopsy report a secret. Isn`t that public record in?

BATISTA: The autopsy report? It will eventually be a public record, Nancy. It has to be used at the trial. But the Anthonys now are claiming that they would suffer anguish. I take them at their word. And there is a statute in Florida that exempts autopsy reports from public disclosure until it trial.

Not as far as I can see.

SUMMARY:

Autopsy reports made pursuant to law are public records which must be made available for public inspection and examination unless exempted by special act. If not exempted from disclosure by special act, an autopsy report may be kept confidential only to the extent necessary to ensure that a criminal investigation would not be significantly impeded and enable violators of the criminal laws to escape detection and apprehension. Documents or records made confidential by statute do not lose such status upon receipt by the medical examiner.

http://myfloridalegal.com/ago.nsf/Opinions/894D58D0F8A7D7A88525659400683EA1

I think the TH may be talking about autopsy photo's, under the Dale Earnhart Law.

I've seen cases where an autopsy report was sealed. But it is not the norm.

[AMS]

Is this a dig at BC from Judge Strickland? http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19728765/detail.html

"For reasons unknown to the Court the motion was served only upon the State Attorney's Office. The real party in interest in this matter is the various news media."

Hi des, I read this earlier and that's how I interpreted it. Quit playing games BC!

imo

[desmom]

G'morning, everyone!

Doc Dump Friday is here!!!!:thumbsup:

Today is the anniversary of the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman. :rose:

Of course there is a doc dump today. I have a list of errands to do this morning and no leftovers in the fridge I can reheat for dinner.

Any guesses as to what we will see today?

[Rapunzel]

I think that Casey having nightmares screaming Caylee's name is nothing but a farce put together by Baez and Casey to make it look like she really cared...If this did indeed happen on several occasion and has been documented by the jail...Baez can then at trial call the guards to testify that these events took place...

If this did happen it is a ploy for sympathy and testimony by the jail...nothing more...:cursing::cursing:

[AMS]

Dr. Bethany Marshall's take on the OC's behavior in jail:

GRACE: Bethany Marshall, what do you make of these reports that she is acting crazy behind bars?

MARSHALL: I thing it`s a transparent, pathetic attempt to appear as if she cares about her daughter. It fits no pattern of psychiatric issues I know of. And remember when Cindy Anthony said that she had once been suicidal? There is a genetic link with psychiatric illnesses.

And I wonder if even way back then a couple of months ago the whole family wasn`t planning to set up a psychiatric defense.


imo

[msgatorslayer]

Of course there is a doc dump today. I have a list of errands to do this morning and no leftovers in the fridge I can reheat for dinner.

Any guesses as to what we will see today?

Pfft, I hear ya Des. Same situation here. It's my parents wedding anniversary and my Brother has decided to come up for a visit.

I have no idea what we'll see. But I look forward to it, lol.

[Explorer]

Dr. Bethany Marshall's take on the OC's behavior in jail:

GRACE: Bethany Marshall, what do you make of these reports that she is acting crazy behind bars?

MARSHALL: I thing it`s a transparent, pathetic attempt to appear as if she cares about her daughter. It fits no pattern of psychiatric issues I know of. And remember when Cindy Anthony said that she had once been suicidal? There is a genetic link with psychiatric illnesses.

And I wonder if even way back then a couple of months ago the whole family wasn`t planning to set up a psychiatric defense.


imo

OMG they are SNAKES arent they! Eveyone was wondering why cindy made the statement about being suicidal and georges suicide attempt.

[Scampi]

Of course there is a doc dump today. I have a list of errands to do this morning and no leftovers in the fridge I can reheat for dinner.

Any guesses as to what we will see today?

At some point we should be seeing the FBI reports on what was found in the crops of the maggots. Forgive me for mentioning this so early in the morn.

[Explorer]

They were setting something up!

[Sun]

I'm sure AL set her straight. I haven't seen her as a visitor to the OCSO yet though. I wonder if she is relaying everything through the waterboy?

Do you know where I can find a recent Inmate Visitor's Log for Casey? The last one that I can find only goes up to Jan 26th.

[Scampi]

Yep, an insanity defense won't fly. It crash landed a long time ago. :-) I am sure the prosecution isn't worried one bit about that. Especially if she really said that she hoped the trial would be moved to Miami so she could hit the beach and get a tan when she won and got released. It sounds like her to say that, but she's in for a rude awakening.

Hi Kath, nice to see you. If some sort of diminshed capacity defense won't work, what will? Do you think the Zanny the Nanny did it defense will work? Will SODDI (some othe dude did it) defense work? I am very curious as to exactly what nonsense Lyon will put forth. This woman is not dumb, I expect something very creative.

[msgatorslayer]

I think that Casey having nightmares screaming Caylee's name is nothing but a farce put together by Baez and Casey to make it look like she really cared...If this did indeed happen on several occasion and has been documented by the jail...Baez can then at trial call the guards to testify that these events took place...

If this did happen it is a ploy for sympathy and testimony by the jail...nothing more...:cursing::cursing:

Yeah, we've seen her manner of caring. Fusion, party, Caylee who?

In her interviews with LE and phone convo's with her parents, she could care less that her Daughter wasn't around.

[bchand]

I think the TH may be talking about autopsy photo's, under the Dale Earnhart Law.

I've seen cases where an autopsy report was sealed. But it is not the norm.

I think you may be right msgatorslayer.

[Sun]

Of all days for this to happen, I am experiencing "cable connectivity" issues, and internet and TV are both operating poorly to not at all. arghhhhhh!!!!!!

[Explorer]

I think its funny that the a's were all over the place trashing Zenaida UNTIL they were summoned for a deposition:biggrin:

[Explorer]

Now its "Well we dont really know what happened":biggrin:

[bchand]

Now its "Well we dont really know what happened":biggrin:

and yet, when they had the opportunity to ASK what happened while she was out on bail - they didn't discuss it.

Sure.

[msgatorslayer]

Now its "Well we dont really know what happened":biggrin:

The LKL interview was classic Anthony speak!!:rolleyes:

[Sun]

According to her assistant, Medical Examiner Dr. Jan Garavaglia included results of toxicology and anthropology tests done on Caylee's remains.

Now, her assistant confirmed to WESH 2 that toxicology and anthropology tests on the remains are back and are part of Garavaglia's 20-to-30-page autopsy report.



http://www.wesh.com/news/19724301/detail.html

[msgatorslayer]

Of all days for this to happen, I am experiencing "cable connectivity" issues, and internet and TV are both operating poorly to not at all. arghhhhhh!!!!!!

Do you have Bright House in your neck of the woods? We experienced mass outages and problems earlier this week.

Does the state ever release docs early? IIRC, it's usually done in the afternoon.

Hope your issues get fixed.

[msgatorslayer]

According to her assistant, Medical Examiner Dr. Jan Garavaglia included results of toxicology and anthropology tests done on Caylee's remains.

Now, her assistant confirmed to WESH 2 that toxicology and anthropology tests on the remains are back and are part of Garavaglia's 20-to-30-page autopsy report.



http://www.wesh.com/news/19724301/detail.html

We'll we've already seen a tox test. Was that one done by the FBI? I remember it didn't include Chloroform testing.

An Anthropology report means 'bones', right? Which was all that was left of poor Caylee.

[desmom]

Do you have Bright House in your neck of the woods? We experienced mass outages and problems earlier this week.

Does the state ever release docs early? IIRC, it's usually done in the afternoon.

Hope your issues get fixed.

I think it depends on how fast the news agency that picks them up can get them copied.

In one of the earlier dumps, one of the local reporters was giving updates on the info in the docs from outside Kinkos. jmo

[*MoonRider*]

At some point we should be seeing the FBI reports on what was found in the crops of the maggots. Forgive me for mentioning this so early in the morn.



GM everyone. They say the only way the victim can speak at a trial is through the evidence. Caylee is trying to speak and the Anthony's are trying to stop her. :mad: TH's Eiglarsh & Bondi both said there is no legal ground to keep the autopsy sealed. I think this will backfire on the Anthony's once again by bringing more attention to it. IMO they are trying to garner more sympathy for themselves, which will equal more donations to their scam of a foundation.

[Rapunzel]

According to her assistant, Medical Examiner Dr. Jan Garavaglia included results of toxicology and anthropology tests done on Caylee's remains.

Now, her assistant confirmed to WESH 2 that toxicology and anthropology tests on the remains are back and are part of Garavaglia's 20-to-30-page autopsy report.



http://www.wesh.com/news/19724301/detail.html

Yes, and not getting to read it is going to cause me great anguish...

I think I will go file a motion...

[Explorer]

and yet, when they had the opportunity to ASK what happened while she was out on bail - they didn't discuss it.

Sure.

I know aint that sumpin:rolleyes:

[msgatorslayer]

I think it depends on how fast the news agency that picks them up can get them copied.

In one of the earlier dumps, one of the local reporters was giving updates on the info in the docs from outside Kinkos.

jmo

BOLDED BY ME

:lol: That's funny!!

[Rapunzel]

GM everyone. They say the only way the victim can speak at a trial is through the evidence. Caylee is trying to speak and the Anthony's are trying to stop her. :mad: TH's Eiglarsh & Bondi both said there is no legal ground to keep the autopsy sealed. I think this will backfire on the Anthony's once again by bringing more attention to it. IMO they are trying to garner more sympathy for themselves, which will equal more donations to their scam of a foundation.


Excellent Point!!!!:thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Dells]

Dr. Bethany Marshall's take on the OC's behavior in jail:

GRACE: Bethany Marshall, what do you make of these reports that she is acting crazy behind bars?

MARSHALL: I thing it`s a transparent, pathetic attempt to appear as if she cares about her daughter. It fits no pattern of psychiatric issues I know of. And remember when Cindy Anthony said that she had once been suicidal? There is a genetic link with psychiatric illnesses.

And I wonder if even way back then a couple of months ago the whole family wasn`t planning to set up a psychiatric defense.


imo

I just love when NG has Dr. Bethany on.:wub: She tells it like it is and is so spot on in all her assessments. The Anthony's can try to set up a psychiatric defense, but it is too little too late. Casey is going down and there is nothing her family and her defense team can do about it.

I just bet Casey is having nightmares about Caylee. I hope Caylee haunts every one of Casey's dreams for the rest of her life. May Casey never get a restful night's sleep again for what she did to her little girl.:mad:

[Explorer]

I love Dr. Bethany too. She puts things in perspective after we hear all the jumble form everyone else.

[trich]

I just love when NG has Dr. Bethany on.:wub: She tells it like it is and is so spot on in all her assessments. The Anthony's can try to set up a psychiatric defense, but it is too little too late. Casey is going down and there is nothing her family and her defense team can do about it.

I just bet Casey is having nightmares about Caylee. I hope Caylee haunts every one of Casey's dreams for the rest of her life. May Casey never get a restful night's sleep again for what she did to her little girl.:mad:

Bolding mine because I am in full agreement with that statement.

[penguinlady]

Yes, and not getting to read it is going to cause me great anguish...

I think I will go file a motion...

Funny! :thumbsup:

Ya know...if the A's had acted like "normal" grandparents I would be behind the state not releasing the autopsy results until trial because of their feelings.

With the A's though, because of their behavior, I know it is only about "them" (if ya know what I mean).

Anyway...I am ready for the document dump!

IMO!
K!

[Explorer]

Bolding mine because I am in full agreement with that statement.

Yep thats the only thing we can hope for. SHE knows what happened and SHE cant escape that.

[Explorer]

I just cant help but think that anytime I gave my parents a hard time when I was younger I regret it to this very day. I cannot Imagine the magnitude of something like this.

[msgatorslayer]

Funny! :thumbsup:

Ya know...if the A's had acted like "normal" grandparents I would be behind the state not releasing the autopsy results until trial because of their feelings.

With the A's though, because of their behavior, I know it is only about "them" (if ya know what I mean).

Anyway...I am ready for the document dump!

IMO!
K!

I'm wondering why the State decided to release the autopsy report NOW. The reason for the Sunshine Laws is to make everything available for public inspection. So the Government cannot work behind closed doors.

In criminal trials, it is so that the public knows the evidence the state has against a defendant. To make sure a witch hunt isn't going on.

I'm wondering if statements by Cindy like "we still don't know what happened' have anything to do with the State wanting to release the autopsy report.

[MissouriGMom]

Sorry, trying to catch up this morning. So we're getting a doc dump, but no autopsy report yet, right?

[msgatorslayer]

Sorry, trying to catch up this morning. So we're getting a doc dump, but no autopsy report yet, right?

Correct! Get your cleaning done and dinner planned.:tongueside:

[*MoonRider*]

Anthony documents released. We're working to go through them and post important portions on WESH.com.
http://twitter.com/WESH

[Scampi]

I'm wondering why the State decided to release the autopsy report NOW. The reason for the Sunshine Laws is to make everything available for public inspection. So the Government cannot work behind closed doors.

In criminal trials, it is so that the public knows the evidence the state has against a defendant. To make sure a witch hunt isn't going on.

I'm wondering if statements by Cindy like "we still don't know what happened' have anything to do with the State wanting to release the autopsy report.

Great question msgator and I think the answer lies in Lyon's upcoming motion questioning the appropriateness of the DP in this case.

I think the State wants that autopsy and Dr. G's evaluation of it, released so that the public will absolutely understand why the State is seeking the DP for this odious creature.

[Rapunzel]

If the A's don't want to read, see or hear about the autopsy report...I suggest they don't watch TV, don't turn on the radio, don't buy a newspaper...maybe they could lock themselves in their house, close the blinds and play the game CLUE...maybe they could get some insight...:tonguewag::tonguewag:

[MissouriGMom]

Correct! Get your cleaning done and dinner planned.:tongueside:

I'm putting dinner in the crockpot, but the cleaning can wait til tomorrow!

[penguinlady]

Anthony documents released. We're working to go through them and post important portions on WESH.com.
http://twitter.com/WESH

WOOHOO!!! :thumbsup:

[Scampi]

Anthony documents released. We're working to go through them and post important portions on WESH.com.
http://twitter.com/WESH

Whoo Hoo, thanks Moonie!!! :thumbsup:

[penguinlady]

I'm putting dinner in the crockpot, but the cleaning can wait til tomorrow!

I think we are gonna have leftovers from YESTERDAYS crockpot dinner!

K!

[msgatorslayer]

Anthony documents released. We're working to go through them and post important portions on WESH.com.
http://twitter.com/WESH

:thumbsup: Alright!!!

[SandyO]

Has anyone heard any news of Lee? Wonder where he's living now. He sure has managed to fly under the radar since his ridiculous 'CMA' performance.

[msgatorslayer]

Great question msgator and I think the answer lies in Lyon's upcoming motion questioning the appropriateness of the DP in this case.

I think the State wants that autopsy and Dr. G's evaluation of it, released so that the public will absolutely understand why the State is seeking the DP for this odious creature.

Oh yes, even better, Reggie.

The State needs to defend it's decision to the public in light of Lyon's saying it is not a DP case.

Sounds right!!!

[msgatorslayer]

Has anyone heard any news of Lee? Wonder where he's living now. He sure has managed to fly under the radar since his ridiculous 'CMA' performance.

If this was my family I would have changed my name and moved outta Florida a long time ago.

[Sun]

I'm wondering why the State decided to release the autopsy report NOW. The reason for the Sunshine Laws is to make everything available for public inspection. So the Government cannot work behind closed doors.

In criminal trials, it is so that the public knows the evidence the state has against a defendant. To make sure a witch hunt isn't going on.

I'm wondering if statements by Cindy like "we still don't know what happened' have anything to do with the State wanting to release the autopsy report.

I recall Baez, or someone on his team whining recently about still having not yet received the autopsy report. Seems to me that they want it, but don't want anyone else to have it.

[~Dramatica~]

Am I the only one expecting some sort of DRAMA from the Anthony's today?

[Rapunzel]

Has anyone heard any news of Lee? Wonder where he's living now. He sure has managed to fly under the radar since his ridiculous 'CMA' performance.


He was living back home but now with the Milstead's living there...I don't know if there is enough room??? Although it is a 4 bedroom house...but prolly not enough to eat there with the Milsteads...:laugh::laugh:

[Ellie]

Hi all,

Couple things.... just because the autopsy report itself won't be released, is there a reason that someone (say, on the Pros side) couldn't read it and give a summation? I really would like to know what Dr. G (I love that woman!) had to say and what her 'very probable' opinion was. I, personally, don't need to see the actual report. Reading about the bones that were found put my heart in my throat for weeks. But I'd like to know the gist of what the autopsy report says.

Secondly... this was brought up a couple weeks ago but I didn't see any conclusion--- speaking of Lee, I know I heard that Mallory was pregnant a while back. What happened with that? Are she and Lee still together or is your guess as good as mine? :wink:

[Rapunzel]

am i the only one expecting some sort of drama from the anthony's today?


no!!!!!!!!

[Sun]

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/19734095/detail.html

Anthony Discovery Documents Released

UPDATED: 9:08 am EDT June 12, 2009

Hundreds of pages of discovery documents were released by the state attorney's office Friday morning in the case against Casey Anthony.

Caylee Anthony's autopsy results were expected to be released with the documents, but a last-minute motion filed by George and Cindy Anthony's attorney blocked the release.

Local 6 is scouring the newly-released documents; check back with ClickOrlando.com and watch Local 6 News at noon for more information.

[msgatorslayer]

I recall Baez, or someone on his team whining recently about still having not yet received the autopsy report. Seems to me that they want it, but don't want anyone else to have it.

I seem to recall that the Jessica Lunsford autopsy report was released to the public to counter the public outrage.

There were leaks that Jessica had been kept alive for up to, IIRC, 13days, per Couey's statement to LE. He said he fed her. Made her burgers, I think some pizza, IIRC.

The autopsy was released to show that her stomach had nothing in it.

[~Dramatica~]

GM everyone. They say the only way the victim can speak at a trial is through the evidence. Caylee is trying to speak and the Anthony's are trying to stop her. :mad: TH's Eiglarsh & Bondi both said there is no legal ground to keep the autopsy sealed. I think this will backfire on the Anthony's once again by bringing more attention to it. IMO they are trying to garner more sympathy for themselves, which will equal more donations to their scam of a foundation.

ita, the Autopsy report will probably be released next week all by itself and will receive a lot more scrutiny then if it were released with hundreds of pages of discovery. imo

[Dick Tracy]

Hi all,

Couple things.... just because the autopsy report itself won't be released, is there a reason that someone (say, on the Pros side) couldn't read it and give a summation? I really would like to know what Dr. G (I love that woman!) had to say and what her 'very probable' opinion was. I, personally, don't need to see the actual report. Reading about the bones that were found put my heart in my throat for weeks. But I'd like to know the gist of what the autopsy report says.

Secondly... this was brought up a couple weeks ago but I didn't see any conclusion--- speaking of Lee, I know I heard that Mallory was pregnant a while back. What happened with that? Are she and Lee still together or is your guess as good as mine? :wink:

The pro's have kept quiet, they've been professional about everything. They won't summate the autopsy. Don't worry it will be released next week most likely.

[~Dramatica~]

I hate waiting.......

[FoxySly]

He was living back home but now with the Milstead's living there...I don't know if there is enough room??? Although it is a 4 bedroom house...but prolly not enough to eat there with the Milsteads...:laugh::laugh:

Yup, 4 bedrooms, but IIRC the whole square footage of their home was only like 1500', IMO that would make the bedrooms about the size of my walk in closet.

Sly

~

[*MoonRider*]

New Cindy deposition.
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19734379/detail.html

[JHP]

He was living back home but now with the Milstead's living there...I don't know if there is enough room??? Although it is a 4 bedroom house...but prolly not enough to eat there with the Milsteads...:laugh::laugh:

What happened to the Milsteads house? The Anthonys house is pretty small to contain all those characters IMO.
Luckily for the Mils Cindy loves to cook, brownies and mac&cheese for all! YUM

[AMS]

I hope this doc dump isn't a dud!

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/orl-bk-casey-anthony-news-061209,0,3637940.story

The documents that were released today include depositions, including several that have been previously released.


imo

[~Dramatica~]

New Cindy deposition.
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19734379/detail.html
Looks like old news to me, kind of like NG's bombshell. :shrug:

[Myka]

I'm wondering why the State decided to release the autopsy report NOW. The reason for the Sunshine Laws is to make everything available for public inspection. So the Government cannot work behind closed doors.

In criminal trials, it is so that the public knows the evidence the state has against a defendant. To make sure a witch hunt isn't going on.

I'm wondering if statements by Cindy like "we still don't know what happened' have anything to do with the State wanting to release the autopsy report.

have the A's seen the autopsy report yet?

[Rapunzel]

Yup, 4 bedrooms, but IIRC the whole square footage of their home was only like 1500', IMO that would make the bedrooms about the size of my walk in closet.

Sly

~


True and one was Caylee's room and one was a computer room I believe...so Milstead's in...Lee out...:laugh::laugh:

[AMS]

have the A's seen the autopsy report yet?

My guess is YES. The defense gets to see all of the documents before they are released to the public. Baez could have shared with Conway and the Ants. I think they know what it isays which is why they do not want it released.

imo

[Cynthia]

I hate waiting.......

me too.....I wanna know everything right now.

[Mairi II]

The A's attorney says they have not read the autopsy report, by their own choice.

[Myka]

My guess is YES. The defense gets to see all of the documents before they are released to the public. Baez could have shared with Conway and the Ants. I think they know what it isays which is why they do not want it released.

imo

do you think Bozo has shared the report with OC??

[breezie]

The A's attorney says they have not read the autopsy report, by their own choice.

so how do they know it will cause anquish...:confused: They might not have read it with their own eyes, but I bet ole Bad Back Brad read it to them.

[Mairi II]

so how do they know it will cause anquish...:confused: They might not have read it with their own eyes, but I bet ole Bad Back Brad read it to them.

Good question. And I agree, they may not've read it but they know what's in it.

[Cynthia]

The A's attorney says they have not read the autopsy report, by their own choice.

They also said they didn't remove Caylee's memorial.....:rolleyes:

[Sun]

The A's attorney says they have not read the autopsy report, by their own choice.

How are the Anthonys or Conway even able to get their hands on a copy of the autopsy report? Is Baez "leaking" it to them?

[AMS]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/orl-bk-casey-anthony-news-061209,0,3637940.story


Among the findings:

Crime blog write Sean Krause told investigators on Dec. 2, 2008 that Cindy Anthony suspected her daughter, Casey Marie Anthony, of having done something with her granddaughter, Caylee Anthony.

"I spoke with [Cindy Anthony]…it was the first time that she agreed that she actually really believed that her [Casey Anthony]…actually did something to Caylee," Krause told Orange County investigator Cpl. Yuri Melich.

Krause said Cindy Anthony later retracted her comment, but wouldn't explain why she changed her mind.

He also tells investigators he had received e-mails from Cindy Anthony's Yahoo! E-mail account, telling him that she had a scoop for his crime blog. When speaking to Cindy Anthony later, she denied ever sending the e-mail or others pertaining to any information for his crime blog.

Investigators also asked Krause about the person representing Casey Anthony's defense attorney Jose Baez. The Press Corps Media representative, who called himself Todd Black, had contacted Krause to tell him that the FBI's forensic tests were faulty.

Krause ignored Black's comments.



imo

[Myka]

How are the Anthonys or Conway even able to get their hands on a copy of the autopsy report? Is Baez "leaking" it to them?

I would like to know the answer to that question as well!!!

[Motomom]

Didn't look like anything was released yet so I had a question from the past. What were the movies again that she watched, the ones she rented with Tony after she killed Caylee? Was Gone baby gone one of them? I know this was talked about early early on but I had never watched that movie.. well the past two nights I have attempted to watch it. I keep falling asleep on it so have no idea how it ends. Going to try and watch it today again.. Anyways just gave me the heebie jeebies because the mother of the missing child in the movie mentions "puffy heart stickers".. I can't remember the context in which she said it, but it was when the PI's were talking to her in the house.. Anyway, it just gave me the creeps and was on my mind for the last two nights.

[trich]

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/061209george_deposition/indexGallery.htm


George Anthony's deposition on April 9 2009


I am sure we have all seen and read this..... not sure why it is in docs today

[Mandymax]

I'm actually participating in a doc dump day! I'm reading Sean Krause's deposition, and he's talking about a rumor that Casey had been working for an escort service called Universal Entertainment. I've never heard this, but it could very well be because I'm so behind on plowing through the docs and depositions. Is this old news or new news?

[*MoonRider*]

Didn't look like anything was released yet so I had a question from the past. What were the movies again that she watched, the ones she rented with Tony after she killed Caylee? Was Gone baby gone one of them? I know this was talked about early early on but I had never watched that movie.. well the past two nights I have attempted to watch it. I keep falling asleep on it so have no idea how it ends. Going to try and watch it today again.. Anyways just gave me the heebie jeebies because the mother of the missing child in the movie mentions "puffy heart stickers".. I can't remember the context in which she said it, but it was when the PI's were talking to her in the house.. Anyway, it just gave me the creeps and was on my mind for the last two nights.

One movie was “Untraceable,” about a kidnapper and killer. The other was “Jumper,” which features a character who is a mother who abandons her five-year-old child.

http://kreuzer33.wordpress.com/2008/11/03/casey-anthony-rented-murder-films-on-the-day-caylee-disappeared/

[aproudmom]

Morning everyone! :-) It will be nice to get more docs today, it's been awhile. I think we will get the autopsy report after the media has its say. The judge is just being overly careful I think. I don't think the Anthony's have any say so on it legally. They are not in this case, their daughter is. So what they think has no bearing.

I also agree that we will see some new info from Dr. G in that report. I feel that the fact that they have not ruled out Casey's prints or DNA yet on the tape is telling. Their report was a bit confusing in its wording so until they mention her name as being ruled out, I'm going to think that there might have been something on that tape from Casey. Also, there has to be something in that report that caused Dr. G to say homicide and not death manner unknown.

I hope everyone has a good day today!
Kath


They will not be sealed they are wasting their time but glad the judge is going to give both sides a say but they are public record I say the media has this one

[AMS]

I'm actually participating in a doc dump day! I'm reading Sean Krause's deposition, and he's talking about a rumor that Casey had been working for an escort service called Universal Entertainment. I've never heard this, but it could very well be because I'm so behind on plowing through the docs and depositions. Is this old news or new news?

If this is true, she was working at "Universal".....


imo

[aproudmom]

One movie was “Untraceable,” about a kidnapper and killer. The other was “Jumper,” which features a character who is a mother who abandons her five-year-old child.

http://kreuzer33.wordpress.com/2008/11/03/casey-anthony-rented-murder-films-on-the-day-caylee-disappeared/

Untraceable is the one that has the man with duck tape on his mouth I just watched a clip on YouTube and it freaked me out

[Mandymax]

If this is true, she was working at "Universal".....


imo


Exactly. That's why I'm so curious. She wasn't technically LYING . . . in a roundabout sort of way.

[GumShoeJoe]

How are the Anthonys or Conway even able to get their hands on a copy of the autopsy report? Is Baez "leaking" it to them?


I think this whole shebang is going to morph into a big fight about the blurred lines between Casey/Baez and C&G/Conway and various attorneys, PIs, etc: are they or are they not part of the defense? (not, but what do they think?)

[aproudmom]

They also said they didn't remove Caylee's memorial.....:rolleyes:

:thumbsup:LOL good point

[GumShoeJoe]

Exactly. That's why I'm so curious. She wasn't technically LYING . . . in a roundabout sort of way.

That is a whopper of a "half-truth".

[aproudmom]

I'm actually participating in a doc dump day! I'm reading Sean Krause's deposition, and he's talking about a rumor that Casey had been working for an escort service called Universal Entertainment. I've never heard this, but it could very well be because I'm so behind on plowing through the docs and depositions. Is this old news or new news?

Sean is he the one that passed away from cancer not to long ago?

[Mandymax]

Sean is he the one that passed away from cancer not to long ago?


I want to say yes, but I could be wrong.

[AnniePie]

Mornin' everyone! So nice to be back in a recognizable dress again. :rolleyes:



Did someone mention a doc dump?! Yay!!

[aproudmom]

I want to say yes, but I could be wrong.

I will check I am pretty sure he did...thanks

[AMS]

Sean is he the one that passed away from cancer not to long ago?

Yes, that's the same Sean.


imo

[Lapis]

I'm actually participating in a doc dump day! I'm reading Sean Krause's deposition, and he's talking about a rumor that Casey had been working for an escort service called Universal Entertainment. I've never heard this, but it could very well be because I'm so behind on plowing through the docs and depositions. Is this old news or new news?

I know this may seem like a small point, but this is not a deposition. This is a statement to the police. It may be under oath, but it is not a deposition. A deposition is testimony given under oath upon notice to all parties. A statement cannot be used at trial if the person dies or becomes unavailable, a deposition can. JMO

[EverMoth]

If Casey is having nightmares, I think it is because Lyon laid it on the table for her. IMO, Lyon popped the JB balloon of "When they hear your side of the story, they will have an Aha moment and I am going to get you off".



I do believe the gravity of Casey's situtation is beginning to sink in and I have a strong hunch that Ms. Lyon has something to do with it. Truly, until AL joined the stooge team, I do not believe the defense even had a case. The best they could do is hound the media and trash the pros at every opportunity. Attempting to skew public opinion seemed to be the only strategy they had.

Enter Andrea Lyon with all her anti-DP zealotry. AL, imo, is no dummy. I believe she sized the situation up immediately and knew there was no way to win the case by challenging the evidence. In looking at all of the overwhelming and extremely damning evidence against Casey, she probably concluded that the needle was inevitable as things currently stood. I think she knows Casey is guilty and I have had a hunch for awhile that AL, in her passion to save the odious creature from the needle, would get her to confess and take a plea deal. We have no idea what is happening behind the scenes with AL and the OC. And now we have Casey screaming with nightmares, basically exhibiting signs of a breakdown. Is this occurring after many hours of "reality therapy" with AL?

[aproudmom]

I thought he had passed away not to long ago..

Casey Anthony: Writer Sean Krause Dies
Many of you may remember Sean Krause during the search for Caylee Anthony. He was a friend of the folks at Texas Equusearch and the organization received many donations thanks in part to his numerous posts. These posts allowed the organization to purchase much-needed supplies during the search effort.

Krause died after a bout with Cancer at the age of 25.

[henry reed]

Exactly. That's why I'm so curious. She wasn't technically LYING . . . in a roundabout sort of way.

Like Cindy said, there's a little truth in each of Casey's lies!

[EverMoth]

Mornin' everyone! So nice to be back in a recognizable dress again. :rolleyes:



Did someone mention a doc dump?! Yay!!

Awww lucky you! My favorite dress is gone forever. . . . :tonguewag:

[Mandymax]

I know this may seem like a small point, but this is not a deposition. This is a statement to the police. It may be under oath, but it is not a deposition. A deposition is testimony given under oath upon notice to all parties. A statement cannot be used at trial if the person dies or becomes unavailable, a deposition can. JMO

Whichever. I'm just looking at the information.

[trich]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/orange_news/061209anthony_discovery

[aproudmom]

I do believe the gravity of Casey's situtation is beginning to sink in and I have a strong hunch that Ms. Lyon has something to do with it. Truly, until AL joined the stooge team, I do not believe the defense even had a case. The best they could do is hound the media and trash the pros at every opportunity. Attempting to skew public opinion seemed to be the only strategy they had.

Enter Andrea Lyon with all her anti-DP zealotry. AL, imo, is no dummy. I believe she sized the situation up immediately and knew there was no way to win the case by challenging the evidence. In looking at all of the overwhelming and extremely damning evidence against Casey, she probably concluded that the needle was inevitable as things currently stood. I think she knows Casey is guilty and I have had a hunch for awhile that AL, in her passion to save the odious creature from the needle, would get her to confess and take a plea deal. We have no idea what is happening behind the scenes with AL and the OC. And now we have Casey screaming with nightmares, basically exhibiting signs of a breakdown. Is this occurring after many hours of "reality therapy" with AL?

very good post never thought of it like that..you could be right

[AnniePie]

Awww lucky you! My favorite dress is gone forever. . . . :tonguewag:

So is mine. This is my second favourite. :crying:

Have any of you heard that Casey had worked for Universal Entertainment? This is the first I've heard of it, but I would not be the least bit surprised.

[aproudmom]

I know this may seem like a small point, but this is not a deposition. This is a statement to the police. It may be under oath, but it is not a deposition. A deposition is testimony given under oath upon notice to all parties. A statement cannot be used at trial if the person dies or becomes unavailable, a deposition can. JMO

unless you have the hearsay law..lol.Drew P ex wife will be speaking from her grave..but they only have that in IL right...and like you said it is not a deposition

[aproudmom]

So is mine. This is my second favourite. :crying:

Have any of you heard that Casey had worked for Universal Entertainment? This is the first I've heard of it, but I would not be the least bit surprised.

I have heard alot but not this before..

[henry reed]

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0612/19734761.pdf

page 16:

JW: They'd gotten pretty close those two.
JA: What, your daughter and George have gotten close?
JW: Uh-hum. (affirmative).

How old is Joy Wray's daughter?!?!
:scared:

[EverMoth]

So is mine. This is my second favourite. :crying:

Have any of you heard that Casey had worked for Universal Entertainment? This is the first I've heard of it, but I would not be the least bit surprised.

Well, if Casey were to "get real" about her situation she would see her options as:

1. Death - if she says nothing and does not cooperate
2. LWOP - if she does cooperate, she spends her entire life in a women's prison and all that awaits her there - all the big mamas waiting for her in the shower and around every corner.
3. INSANITY - life served in a prison for the criminally insane

Imo, there is no way out for her and I think this reality is beginning to set in. JB deceived her big time in thinking he could get her out of this. But we know which "brain" he was talking out of. :drool:

JMO

[Sun]

I know this may seem like a small point, but this is not a deposition. This is a statement to the police. It may be under oath, but it is not a deposition. A deposition is testimony given under oath upon notice to all parties. A statement cannot be used at trial if the person dies or becomes unavailable, a deposition can. JMO

Thank you for this info. I am amazed at how much I can learn on this message board!

[aproudmom]

Yes, that's the same Sean.


imo

I thought so he was only 25 when he passed away..very sad I remember all the bloggers being so upset when he past away..

[aproudmom]

Thank you for this info. I am amazed at how much I can learn on this message board!

yeah I agree Lapis is called on a lot not just on this thread..poor thing..lol

[Scampi]

I'm actually participating in a doc dump day! I'm reading Sean Krause's deposition, and he's talking about a rumor that Casey had been working for an escort service called Universal Entertainment. I've never heard this, but it could very well be because I'm so behind on plowing through the docs and depositions. Is this old news or new news?

IIRC, Universal Entertainment is based out of the Saw Grass Apartments.

[aproudmom]

Well, if Casey were to "get real" about her situation she would see her options as:

1. Death - if she says nothing and does not cooperate
2. LWOP - if she does cooperate, she spends her entire life in a women's prison and all that awaits her there - all the big mamas waiting for her in the shower and around every corner.
3. INSANITY - life served in a prison for the criminally insane

Imo, there is no way out for her and I think this reality is beginning to set in. JB deceived her big time in thinking he could get her out of this. But we know which "brain" he was talking out of. :drool:

JMO

IMO I think he had her convinced all they had was junk science and she will walk..and maybe someone has finally beat it in her head she is not walking..I am not so sure she is having her nightmares though if so they are happening for other reasons but wont work she should have tried to act crazy from day 31..

[aproudmom]

IIRC, Universal Entertainment is based out of the Saw Grass Apartments.

:ohmy:no way your joking...:biggrin:

[GumShoeJoe]

IMO I think he had her convinced all they had was junk science and she will walk..and maybe someone has finally beat it in her head she is not walking..I am not so sure she is having her nightmares though if so they are happening for other reasons but wont work she should have tried to act crazy from day 31..

Does anyone know if AL has been spending any time in Orlando (with the opportunity to be talking with Casey) or if she is working on this case from Chicago, for now?

[trich]

Originally Posted by Scampi
IIRC, Universal Entertainment is based out of the Saw Grass Apartments.

I remember hearing that way back when.

[bchand]

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0612/19734761.pdf

page 16:

JW: They'd gotten pretty close those two.
JA: What, your daughter and George have gotten close?
JW: Uh-hum. (affirmative).

How old is Joy Wray's daughter?!?!
:scared:

I don't know but I wonder of LE keeps a "nutcase" file?

[5boxersmom]

I don't know but I wonder of LE keeps a "nutcase" file?

JW was Baker Acted 5 times. Oh my. :scared: Page 43


http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0612/19734761.pdf

[EverMoth]

IMO I think he had her convinced all they had was junk science and she will walk..and maybe someone has finally beat it in her head she is not walking..I am not so sure she is having her nightmares though if so they are happening for other reasons but wont work she should have tried to act crazy from day 31..

I dunno. If JB were still in charge of the case, cooking up some insanity thing by having her act all crazy in jail might make sense. I really don't think AL would go there though as I believe she is too professional for this and she, just like us, can plainly see that it is a bit late to be suddenly insane. I just don't think this would be the strategy she would go for because the odds are too slim for a jury to believe it. JMO

[Scampi]

:ohmy:no way your joking...:biggrin:

Nope, UE came up in this case at the very beginning. Anyone else recall this?

[Kathlb]

Hi Kath, nice to see you. If some sort of diminshed capacity defense won't work, what will? Do you think the Zanny the Nanny did it defense will work? Will SODDI (some othe dude did it) defense work? I am very curious as to exactly what nonsense Lyon will put forth. This woman is not dumb, I expect something very creative.

Hi Scampi,

I truly don't think any defense is going to work. There's nothing that they can say that will change the facts that the jury will have to consider. The 31 days she didn't tell a soul about it, the things at the remains site that link back to the house (more than one thing), the people that are going to testify that she is an habitual liar and always has been, she is also a thief, the fight between her and her mother (Lee will have to testify to that), the make believe nanny and lies she told about her (in hospital, hired by Mark for his non-existent son), etc. She is in the same boat as Christopher Coleman... all evidence other than someone lying in the family points to proof that she did heinously murder that baby.

[bchand]

JW was Baker Acted 5 times. Oh my. :scared: Page 43


http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0612/19734761.pdf

I figured as much. She said she was "brainwashed" by George & them.

She could say that the Anthonys admitted to her that Casey murdered Caylee and no one would believe her.

[Scampi]

Originally Posted by Scampi
IIRC, Universal Entertainment is based out of the Saw Grass Apartments.

I remember hearing that way back when.

Thanks Trich!

[EverMoth]

Hi Scampi,

I truly don't think any defense is going to work. There's nothing that they can say that will change the facts that the jury will have to consider. The 31 days she didn't tell a soul about it, the things at the remains site that link back to the house (more than one thing), the people that are going to testify that she is an habitual liar and always has been, she is also a thief, the fight between her and her mother (Lee will have to testify to that), the make believe nanny and lies she told about her (in hospital, hired by Mark for his non-existent son), etc. She is in the same boat as Christopher Coleman... all evidence other than someone lying in the family points to proof that she did heinously murder that baby.

ITA - thus, the only way to go is a plea deal for LWOP.

[Scampi]

Hi Scampi,

I truly don't think any defense is going to work. There's nothing that they can say that will change the facts that the jury will have to consider. The 31 days she didn't tell a soul about it, the things at the remains site that link back to the house (more than one thing), the people that are going to testify that she is an habitual liar and always has been, she is also a thief, the fight between her and her mother (Lee will have to testify to that), the make believe nanny and lies she told about her (in hospital, hired by Mark for his non-existent son), etc. She is in the same boat as Christopher Coleman... all evidence other than someone lying in the family points to proof that she did heinously murder that baby.


I agree with you Kath, no credible defense here, imo. But, Lyon has to go with something and I think she has two objectives.
1. To save anthony's life

2. Fashion a defense that would allow the jury to vote for a lesser included charge such as manslaughter.

I think there are facts in this case that can be slanted to attempt to show Caylee died as the result of an accident. I do not believe this for a second, I think the OC murdered her, but Lyon will go with the accidental death because they are desperate.

[summer4meplz]

Nope, UE came up in this case at the very beginning. Anyone else recall this?

I do.......

[summer4meplz]

:ohmy:no way your joking...:biggrin:

no joke.......I am sure hoping the real connection comes out......i still say porn......I just pray it's not child porn.....

[GumShoeJoe]

Did we know that Hoover says: Dominic told him Baez received $200-225K for videos from ABC? (Hoover transcript of video deposition from 3/29).

[need2no]

Nope, UE came up in this case at the very beginning. Anyone else recall this?


Early on in this case there was a video of Baez talking to the media about the connection of some promoters (or some title along that line) for Fusion who lived, and (I think) worked out of Sawgrass Apartments. I believe UE owned Fusion. I've watched this video a couple times on Utube because I found it so interesting, even though I can barely tolerate listening to Baez. Then one night when the discussion on the board centered around Sawgrass Apts. I tried to find this video to post the link but was unsuccessful. Maybe I'll try to find it again later today.
Hopefully it wasn't removed for some reason.

[need2no]

no joke.......I am sure hoping the real connection comes out......i still say porn......I just pray it's not child porn.....


I wish they would release those 1,200 disturbing photos. I've got a feeling they would explain a lot about what casey was doing with her spare time. I'll join you in praying casey's activites did not include Caylee.

[Scampi]

Early on in this case there was a video of Baez talking to the media about the connection of some promoters (or some title along that line) for Fusion who lived, and (I think) worked out of Sawgrass Apartments. I believe UE owned Fusion. I've watched this video a couple times on Utube because I found it so interesting, even though I can barely tolerate listening to Baez. Then one night when the discussion on the board centered around Sawgrass Apts. I tried to find this video to post the link but was unsuccessful. Maybe I'll try to find it again later today.
Hopefully it wasn't removed for some reason.

Yep, you sparked my ole tired neurons Need2, there was that connection with the Fusion promoters. This gets more interesting, doesn't it?

[AMS]

Yep, you sparked my ole tired neurons Need2, there was that connection with the Fusion promoters. This gets more interesting, doesn't it?

I am hoping the pros have connected most of the dots here... resulting in the DP.

imo

[Scampi]

I am hoping the pros have connected most of the dots here... resulting in the DP.

imo

It had to be some serious evidence linking this defendant to this murder, after they found the remains. Don't you think so A?

I doubt very much they put the DP back into play just to try and intimidate casey anthony, I don't think Linda Burke rolls that way.

[Dick Tracy]

It had to be some serious evidence linking this defendant to this murder, after they found the remains. Don't you think so A?

I doubt very much they put the DP back into play just to try and intimidate casey anthony, I don't think Linda Burke rolls that way.


I'm betting it's a 100% link to the crime scene, directly from either the trunk of the car, the anthony home, or casey herself.

[AMS]

It had to be some serious evidence linking this defendant to this murder, after they found the remains. Don't you think so A?

I doubt very much they put the DP back into play just to try and intimidate casey anthony, I don't think Linda Burke rolls that way.

ITA 100%. I don't think the state is playing games at all. I cn't wait for this whole story to come out. It is going to be a doozy!!

imo

[Katprint]

Well, if Casey were to "get real" about her situation she would see her options as:

1. Death - if she says nothing and does not cooperate
2. LWOP - if she does cooperate, she spends her entire life in a women's prison and all that awaits her there - all the big mamas waiting for her in the shower and around every corner.
3. INSANITY - life served in a prison for the criminally insane

Imo, there is no way out for her and I think this reality is beginning to set in. JB deceived her big time in thinking he could get her out of this. But we know which "brain" he was talking out of. :drool:

JMO
An skilled attorney with a very good relationship with the DA's office (for example Terence Lenaman) might be able to negotiate a fourth possibility:

4. TURNING STATE's WITNESS: Casey pleads to Second Degree Murder or Voluntary/Involuntary Manslaughter in exchange for agreeing to testify against each and every accomplice after-the-fact who destroyed/hid evidence, made false official statements, committed perjury, helped with moving Caylee's remains, whatever. Casey would serve a significant amount of time in prison but would eventually be eligible for parole.

The supporting argument would simply be that people like Cindy and George (a former police officer!) and anyone who helped them with their coverup need to be made an example of, to discourage this kind of conduct in the future.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Scampi]

I'm betting it's a 100% link to the crime scene, directly from either the trunk of the car, the anthony home, or casey herself.

I like the way you bet, Mr. Tracy. :thumbup:

[Scampi]

An skilled attorney with a very good relationship with the DA's office (for example Terence Lenaman) might be able to negotiate a fourth possibility:

4. TURNING STATE's WITNESS: Casey pleads to Second Degree Murder or Voluntary/Involuntary Manslaughter in exchange for agreeing to testify against each and every accomplice after-the-fact who destroyed/hid evidence, made false official statements, committed perjury, helped with moving Caylee's remains, whatever. Casey would serve a significant amount of time in prison but would eventually be eligible for parole.

The supporting argument would simply be that people like Cindy and George (a former police officer!) and anyone who helped them with their coverup need to be made an example of, to discourage this kind of conduct in the future.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions


Oh wow, don't toy with us Kat, this is an amazing fourth
possibility. Lyon could negotiate something like this in an effort to save casey anthony's life, imo.

[Dick Tracy]

ITA 100%. I don't think the state is playing games at all. I cn't wait for this whole story to come out. It is going to be a doozy!!

imo

No, they've got hard evidence. Remember when they added the tool expert to the witness list? About dealing with stuff being cut, how it's cut, and so forth? I'll bet that the garbage bags seized at the Anthony home match up with those found at the crime scene (the triple bagging stuff).

[EverMoth]

An skilled attorney with a very good relationship with the DA's office (for example Terence Lenaman) might be able to negotiate a fourth possibility:

4. TURNING STATE's WITNESS: Casey pleads to Second Degree Murder or Voluntary/Involuntary Manslaughter in exchange for agreeing to testify against each and every accomplice after-the-fact who destroyed/hid evidence, made false official statements, committed perjury, helped with moving Caylee's remains, whatever. Casey would serve a significant amount of time in prison but would eventually be eligible for parole.

The supporting argument would simply be that people like Cindy and George (a former police officer!) and anyone who helped them with their coverup need to be made an example of, to discourage this kind of conduct in the future.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

All I can say is WOW!Amazing possibility and something that I never thought of. Thanks for that. You da bomb!

[Dick Tracy]

An skilled attorney with a very good relationship with the DA's office (for example Terence Lenaman) might be able to negotiate a fourth possibility:

4. TURNING STATE's WITNESS: Casey pleads to Second Degree Murder or Voluntary/Involuntary Manslaughter in exchange for agreeing to testify against each and every accomplice after-the-fact who destroyed/hid evidence, made false official statements, committed perjury, helped with moving Caylee's remains, whatever. Casey would serve a significant amount of time in prison but would eventually be eligible for parole.

The supporting argument would simply be that people like Cindy and George (a former police officer!) and anyone who helped them with their coverup need to be made an example of, to discourage this kind of conduct in the future.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions



Kat - Some Questions irt above. Does the state have to "negotiate"? Haven't they offered to spare her, and Casey basically told them she wasn't going to confess to a murder in a written statement?

2nd Question) - If this scenario did occur, how could the state possibly know that she was telling the truth? Wouldn't their have to be evidence that links others up? Are you saying all of the Anthony's could end up in prison?

[Explorer]

An skilled attorney with a very good relationship with the DA's office (for example Terence Lenaman) might be able to negotiate a fourth possibility:

4. TURNING STATE's WITNESS: Casey pleads to Second Degree Murder or Voluntary/Involuntary Manslaughter in exchange for agreeing to testify against each and every accomplice after-the-fact who destroyed/hid evidence, made false official statements, committed perjury, helped with moving Caylee's remains, whatever. Casey would serve a significant amount of time in prison but would eventually be eligible for parole.

The supporting argument would simply be that people like Cindy and George (a former police officer!) and anyone who helped them with their coverup need to be made an example of, to discourage this kind of conduct in the future.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

She could always say she wanted to tellthe truth but cindy and george forced her to continue the zanny story

[need2no]

Yep, you sparked my ole tired neurons Need2, there was that connection with the Fusion promoters. This gets more interesting, doesn't it?

Yes, I think it's very interesting, and don't understand why there hasn't been more discussion about this in the media. Sounds like something NG would latch onto and talk about.

Argh...this is making me nuts. I just went to Utube again trying to find this video & listened to several Baez tapes trying to locate the one I mentioned. I distinctly recall he was outside during this convo so that helped eliminate some, but still I couldn't find the one I'm looking for. :angry:

[Katprint]

It had to be some serious evidence linking this defendant to this murder, after they found the remains. Don't you think so A?

I doubt very much they put the DP back into play just to try and intimidate casey anthony, I don't think Linda Burke rolls that way.
I agree. I think they really thought long and hard about the facts of the case and the sufficiency of their supporting evidence, before they finally committed themselves to trying to kill Casey.

Let's make no mistake, they are trying to kill her. They are seeking to end her life. It may be more like breast cancer than a plane crash as far as maybe taking years/decades to happen, but they want her to die.

Katprint
Always only my opinions

[Kathlb]

An skilled attorney with a very good relationship with the DA's office (for example Terence Lenaman) might be able to negotiate a fourth possibility:

4. TURNING STATE's WITNESS: Casey pleads to Second Degree Murder or Voluntary/Involuntary Manslaughter in exchange for agreeing to testify against each and every accomplice after-the-fact who destroyed/hid evidence, made false official statements, committed perjury, helped with moving Caylee's remains, whatever. Casey would serve a significant amount of time in prison but would eventually be eligible for parole.

The supporting argument would simply be that people like Cindy and George (a former police officer!) and anyone who helped them with their coverup need to be made an example of, to discourage this kind of conduct in the future.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Wow... if that turns out to be the case, the fur is gonna fly! Can you imagine what Cindy would say and do to counteract that?! The fear of that might be why she and George are so adamant on supporting her. They are under the threat that she might tell something on them. "Don't worry, I haven't said anything" comes into my mind. :ohmy:

[Chardonnay]

I'm sure AL set her straight. I haven't seen her as a visitor to the OCSO yet though. I wonder if she is relaying everything through the waterboy?

Mr Tracy, Do you have a link to the visitor's list? The last I saw was only through Jan 09. tia

[~Dramatica~]

What a disappointing doc dump. G & C love to delay the inevitable, we would probably be done talking about the autopsy report by now but instead they have created more interest by trying to conceal the report. moo

[penguinlady]

Wow... if that turns out to be the case, the fur is gonna fly! Can you imagine what Cindy would say and do to counteract that?! The fear of that might be why she and George are so adamant on supporting her. They are under the threat that she might tell something on them. "Don't worry, I haven't said anything" comes into my mind. :ohmy:


Everytime I think of Casey getting on the stand and saying something about "how horrible" or whatever that she says about her upbringing, I swear I think of soap operas. I can actually see Cindy flying up and grabbing Casey by the hair and pulling her out....:tongueside:

I have a vivid imagination!

LOL!

IMO!
K!

[need2no]

Kat - Some Questions irt above. Does the state have to "negotiate"? Haven't they offered to spare her, and Casey basically told them she wasn't going to confess to a murder in a written statement?

2nd Question) - If this scenario did occur, how could the state possibly know that she was telling the truth? Wouldn't their have to be evidence that links others up? Are you saying all of the Anthony's could end up in prison?

Do I sense wishful thinking? :biggrin:


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[Sandy001]

Anthonys Want Autopsy Results Sealed
http://www.wesh.com/news/19724301/detail.html

According to her assistant, Medical Examiner Dr. Jan Garavaglia included results of toxicology and anthropology tests done on Caylee's remains.

Judge Orders Temporary Stay Of Caylee Autopsy Details
http://www.wftv.com/news/19725145/detail.html The Anthonys claim that THEY had custody of the remains. Except they didn't get that until AFTER the autopsy.

This just makes me sick. Teh Anthonys aer doing this to AVOID any knowledge of what happened to their so-called
"beloved" grandchild.

When I think of true anguish, I think of Sharon Rocha and her anguish at realizing that her daughter did not even have arms with which to hold her murdered son in the casket. Now THAT is ANGUISH.

I also believe that speculation, etc. on what the autopsy showed will be much more intense and speclative than the truth.

This is just a crock from a family who is in such denial that they won't look at the truth. I just cannot believe this family is capable of any emotion such as anguish since they are too busy covering up jmo

[True2Blues]

She could always say she wanted to tellthe truth but cindy and george forced her to continue the zanny story

She never listened to them before, I don't know if anyone would buy it now.

[Katprint]

Kat - Some Questions irt above. Does the state have to "negotiate"? Haven't they offered to spare her, and Casey basically told them she wasn't going to confess to a murder in a written statement?

2nd Question) - If this scenario did occur, how could the state possibly know that she was telling the truth? Wouldn't their have to be evidence that links others up? Are you saying all of the Anthony's could end up in prison?
I have frequently negotiated with people who had already informed me that the matter is not open for negotiation. The State doesn't have to agree to anything, but it only takes an offer from one side to constitute a "negotiation." Also, we are dealing with people who had agreed to take the death penalty off the table in response to Terence Lenaman's letter so perhaps they could be persuaded to do that again.

As far as Casey telling the truth, well, obviously nobody is going to trust anything Casey says that is not corroborated by independent evidence. Here's the thing: when something is actually true, it leaves footprints across the landscape of reality. For example, if I went grocery shopping last night then there will be supporting evidence such as my bank records showing payment from my account to the supermarket, the supermarket's bank records showing receipt of my payment, possibly video surveillance cameras recording my presence, possibly supermarket employees who recall seeing me, pings from my cell phone, possibly my Prius navigation system records where I was (I don't know whether or not it does), groceries in my home - particularly the datecoded milk - can be traced back to the supermarket, and so forth. If I merely lie about having gone grocery shopping last night then there will be no such supporting evidence. Similarly, if I have a job or a babysitter, there will be corroborating evidentiary trails - tax records, payroll records, bank records, phone records, photos, coworkers, etc.

That lack of any corroborating evidence has been Casey's primary problem. Casey did not really have a job so she did not need a nanny nor have the means to pay a nanny. The nanny has never been seen by anyone, has never been in any photograph, did not live where Casey said, and so on because the whole job/nanny story was a lie. If Casey ever tells the truth, it should be possible to obtain corroborating evidence. I don't have any idea what that truth might be so I can't give examples of possible corroborating evidence although I am certain such evidence would exist.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Imperfect4]

Nope, UE came up in this case at the very beginning. Anyone else recall this?

I do. :smile:

[Sandy001]

Does anyone know if AL has been spending any time in Orlando (with the opportunity to be talking with Casey) or if she is working on this case from Chicago, for now? I bet she has her students pouring over case law in Florida right now. Someone I jsut don't see the "high and mighty" actually doing much work on her own. jmo

[True2Blues]

The Anthonys claim that THEY had custody of the remains. Except they didn't get that until AFTER the autopsy.

This just makes me sick. Teh Anthonys aer doing this to AVOID any knowledge of what happened to their so-called
"beloved" grandchild.

When I think of true anguish, I think of Sharon Rocha and her anguish at realizing that her daughter did not even have arms with which to hold her murdered son in the casket. Now THAT is ANGUISH.

I also believe that speculation, etc. on what the autopsy showed will be much more intense and speclative than the truth.

This is just a crock from a family who is in such denial that they won't look at the truth. I just cannot believe this family is capable of any emotion such as anguish since they are too busy covering up jmo

I agree with you Sandy. The A's are having trouble getting people to support their "foundation" and they don't want it to get any harder.

I hope the Judge agrees to the release of the Autopsy at the hearing. Those results belong to the state, not the A's, and they already know what happened to Caylee. If they don't want to reread the results they don't have to.

[spydernweb2006]

The A's drive me CRAZY! They claim anguish if the autopsy is released but where was their anguish in the deposistions and TV shows they have been on since Caylee's Murder? If they are so anguished WHY wouldnt they want Caylee's killer to pay for her Murder? PLEASE Anthony Family stop trying to pee on my leg and tell me its raining. They have lied and used each other soooo much I dont believe any of em!

JMHO

Hugs,

Spyder

[TunaMelt]

And what about ole Lee?

He had something to do with events/parking/bus transportation didn't he?
For the Super Bowl?

When (some) people come in from out of town, they have a way of getting in touch with people who arrange not only vehicles and game parties, but escorts as well.

I've thought from way back when that ole Lee's mysterious "work" is involved with his sister. That the both of them were involved in entertainment, so to speak.

KC the call girl, her brother her "manager." I just can't see ole Lee not knowing his sister was dating for dollars -- and lazy Lee managing to get a cut.

She was the event, and he was her manager. So to speak.

I mean, the guy isn't working at a 9-5 regular job. Or even the third shift anywhere.

And he's scared poopless, which is one of the reasons why he's vanished, for all intents and purposes.

Lee knows a lot.
Because he's way more involved in this, on several levels, than we know.

:mellow:

[Imperfect4]

An skilled attorney with a very good relationship with the DA's office (for example Terence Lenaman) might be able to negotiate a fourth possibility:

4. TURNING STATE's WITNESS: Casey pleads to Second Degree Murder or Voluntary/Involuntary Manslaughter in exchange for agreeing to testify against each and every accomplice after-the-fact who destroyed/hid evidence, made false official statements, committed perjury, helped with moving Caylee's remains, whatever. Casey would serve a significant amount of time in prison but would eventually be eligible for parole.

The supporting argument would simply be that people like Cindy and George (a former police officer!) and anyone who helped them with their coverup need to be made an example of, to discourage this kind of conduct in the future.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

:scared: I'm not sure how I feel about this. :w00t:

[bchand]

And what about ole Lee?

He had something to do with events/parking/bus transportation didn't he?
For the Super Bowl?

When (some) people come in from out of town, they have a way of getting in touch with people who arrange not only vehicles and game parties, but escorts as well.

I've thought from way back when that ole Lee's mysterious "work" is involved with his sister. That the both of them were involved in entertainment, so to speak.

KC the call girl, her brother her "manager." I just can't see ole Lee not knowing his sister was dating for dollars -- and lazy Lee managing to get a cut.

She was the event, and he was her manager. So to speak.

I mean, the guy isn't working at a 9-5 regular job. Or even the third shift anywhere.

And he's scared poopless, which is one of the reasons why he's vanished, for all intents and purposes.

Lee knows a lot.
Because he's way more involved in this, on several levels, than we know.

:mellow:

Yep, remember the conversation between them in jail?

Lee: When you were at Universal, was that for work or fun?

Casey: Well it wasn't fun.

Lee: Ok, I understand.

[Sun]

An skilled attorney with a very good relationship with the DA's office (for example Terence Lenaman) might be able to negotiate a fourth possibility:

4. TURNING STATE's WITNESS: Casey pleads to Second Degree Murder or Voluntary/Involuntary Manslaughter in exchange for agreeing to testify against each and every accomplice after-the-fact who destroyed/hid evidence, made false official statements, committed perjury, helped with moving Caylee's remains, whatever. Casey would serve a significant amount of time in prison but would eventually be eligible for parole.

The supporting argument would simply be that people like Cindy and George (a former police officer!) and anyone who helped them with their coverup need to be made an example of, to discourage this kind of conduct in the future.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

chuckles..... Just gives Cindy and George more to worry about.

[TunaMelt]

I bet she has her students pouring over case law in Florida right now. Someone I jsut don't see the "high and mighty" actually doing much work on her own. jmo

Well, it's undoubtedly valuable experience for her students -- not the worst way to learn about real law, than a current case of this magnitude.

Just sayin -- I wouldn't mind doing this kind of research if I were in one of her classes.

It could be worse,
:smile:

[Chardonnay]

The A's drive me CRAZY! They claim anguish if the autopsy is released but where was their anguish in the deposistions and TV shows they have been on since Caylee's Murder? If they are so anguished WHY wouldnt they want Caylee's killer to pay for her Murder? PLEASE Anthony Family stop trying to pee on my leg and tell me its raining. They have lied and used each other soooo much I dont believe any of em!

JMHO

Hugs,

Spyder

And Cindy sure didn't show aguish in her drag racing stint.

[TunaMelt]

Yep, remember the conversation between them in jail?

Lee: When you were at Universal, was that for work or fun?

Casey: Well it wasn't fun.

Lee: Ok, I understand.

:thumbup:

Just another reason that Mom and Dad Anthony are so proud of their offspring.

:rolleyes:

[ruth66]

The Anthonys claim that THEY had custody of the remains. Except they didn't get that until AFTER the autopsy.

This just makes me sick. Teh Anthonys aer doing this to AVOID any knowledge of what happened to their so-called
"beloved" grandchild.

When I think of true anguish, I think of Sharon Rocha and her anguish at realizing that her daughter did not even have arms with which to hold her murdered son in the casket. Now THAT is ANGUISH.

I also believe that speculation, etc. on what the autopsy showed will be much more intense and speclative than the truth.

This is just a crock from a family who is in such denial that they won't look at the truth. I just cannot believe this family is capable of any emotion such as anguish since they are too busy covering up jmo


Negative Nellie piping in here:
I think the Anthony's are just trying to drum up more drama in this case. The ME already said that toxically would most likely not be provide more helpful information. The media had cooled off of the Anthony's, interest was starting to come to a slow crawl and the Anthony's want this in the media...they need it in the media so that they will continue to receive donations to their "fraudation". What more could the autopsy show that most already believe happened? CAYLEE was reduced to skeletal remains and scattered. The mental anguish they are enduring is self inflicted. :rolleyes:

As always, JMO and two cents worth.

[summer]

I have frequently negotiated with people who had already informed me that the matter is not open for negotiation. The State doesn't have to agree to anything, but it only takes an offer from one side to constitute a "negotiation." Also, we are dealing with people who had agreed to take the death penalty off the table in response to Terence Lenaman's letter so perhaps they could be persuaded to do that again.

As far as Casey telling the truth, well, obviously nobody is going to trust anything Casey says that is not corroborated by independent evidence. Here's the thing: when something is actually true, it leaves footprints across the landscape of reality. For example, if I went grocery shopping last night then there will be supporting evidence such as my bank records showing payment from my account to the supermarket, the supermarket's bank records showing receipt of my payment, possibly video surveillance cameras recording my presence, possibly supermarket employees who recall seeing me, pings from my cell phone, possibly my Prius navigation system records where I was (I don't know whether or not it does), groceries in my home - particularly the datecoded milk - can be traced back to the supermarket, and so forth. If I merely lie about having gone grocery shopping last night then there will be no such supporting evidence. Similarly, if I have a job or a babysitter, there will be corroborating evidentiary trails - tax records, payroll records, bank records, phone records, photos, coworkers, etc.

That lack of any corroborating evidence has been Casey's primary problem. Casey did not really have a job so she did not need a nanny nor have the means to pay a nanny. The nanny has never been seen by anyone, has never been in any photograph, did not live where Casey said, and so on because the whole job/nanny story was a lie. If Casey ever tells the truth, it should be possible to obtain corroborating evidence. I don't have any idea what that truth might be so I can't give examples of possible corroborating evidence although I am certain such evidence would exist.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Hi Katprint,

Was the death penalty really on the table to be taken off at that time? My impression was maybe not. Lenamon put out his appeal but I never was sure if that's why the DP was not sought. Could it have been a coincidence in timing only? Maybe the SA was never intending to do that unless they found the body -- time simply ran out -- no body -- so they announced they would not seek. This is a question I've always had. Thanks.

[summer]

:thumbup:

Just another reason that Mom and Dad Anthony are so proud of their offspring.

:rolleyes:

Yeah, chest puffing proud alright. Don't you love the superlatives? Casey wasn't a "good mom" she was "mother of the year". Caylee isn't in heaven now playing with other children, she's "watching over them", she's the leader of the pack. Sheesh.

[Dick Tracy]

I have frequently negotiated with people who had already informed me that the matter is not open for negotiation. The State doesn't have to agree to anything, but it only takes an offer from one side to constitute a "negotiation." Also, we are dealing with people who had agreed to take the death penalty off the table in response to Terence Lenaman's letter so perhaps they could be persuaded to do that again.

As far as Casey telling the truth, well, obviously nobody is going to trust anything Casey says that is not corroborated by independent evidence. Here's the thing: when something is actually true, it leaves footprints across the landscape of reality. For example, if I went grocery shopping last night then there will be supporting evidence such as my bank records showing payment from my account to the supermarket, the supermarket's bank records showing receipt of my payment, possibly video surveillance cameras recording my presence, possibly supermarket employees who recall seeing me, pings from my cell phone, possibly my Prius navigation system records where I was (I don't know whether or not it does), groceries in my home - particularly the datecoded milk - can be traced back to the supermarket, and so forth. If I merely lie about having gone grocery shopping last night then there will be no such supporting evidence. Similarly, if I have a job or a babysitter, there will be corroborating evidentiary trails - tax records, payroll records, bank records, phone records, photos, coworkers, etc.

That lack of any corroborating evidence has been Casey's primary problem. Casey did not really have a job so she did not need a nanny nor have the means to pay a nanny. The nanny has never been seen by anyone, has never been in any photograph, did not live where Casey said, and so on because the whole job/nanny story was a lie. If Casey ever tells the truth, it should be possible to obtain corroborating evidence. I don't have any idea what that truth might be so I can't give examples of possible corroborating evidence although I am certain such evidence would exist.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Thank you for your wonderful answer, and your examples.

When LE interviewed Casey, I noticed in her answers that she would try to corroborate the statement within the statement, providing far more information than necessary to answer the original question, as if to try to throw off or confuse the questioner. Speech experts say providing more information than necessary is usually a sign of lying.

I agree with your post above about the State of Florida wanting her dead. She's enraged the public. Most think she deserves to die. I know I do.

[summer]

:scared: I'm not sure how i feel about this. :w00t:

i love it!!!

[GumShoeJoe]

I bet she has her students pouring over case law in Florida right now. Someone I jsut don't see the "high and mighty" actually doing much work on her own. jmo

Thanks. I was thinking she had not been there very often, so I am doubting she has yet to sit down with Casey and deliver any "hard truth".

I disagree, though, I see her going over every single detail that has happened so far. I think she will debour the details of this case before she asserts her strategy stance. I like this defense attorney, she has an outstanding reputation, and she ought to give Casey a fair defense, and I am in favor of that. Let the state win outright and fair. I would hate to have them win because of (official or unofficial) bad counsel, which is where I thought we were going with Mr. Baez.

[Sandy001]

Negative Nellie piping in here:
I think the Anthony's are just trying to drum up more drama in this case. The ME already said that toxically would most likely not be provide more helpful information. The media had cooled off of the Anthony's, interest was starting to come to a slow crawl and the Anthony's want this in the media...they need it in the media so that they will continue to receive donations to their "fraudation". What more could the autopsy show that most already believe happened? CAYLEE was reduced to skeletal remains and scattered. The mental anguish they are enduring is self inflicted. :rolleyes:

As always, JMO and two cents worth.(bodling mine) I am not sure they are capable of any such REAL emotion. They sure seem to be able to turn on and turn off their "anguish" unlike their anger. I am specualting now, but I am not sure they are capable of ANYTHING real. jmo

[need2no]

Maybe, just maybe.........

GRACE: And Dr. Arnall, the fact that there is absolute -- well, let me rephrase. The bones were completely skeletonized. It`s my layperson`s understanding that that means there is no flesh or soft tissue left from which to get a tissue analysis to determine if chloroform had been used. Does that also mean that there were no internal organs left?

ARNALL: That`s exactly what it means. My interpretation is no skin, no muscle, no internal organs. And that it makes it such that if -- if she wants to get toxicology, she has to do it on a bone or bone marrow.

GRACE: What about hair?

ARNALL: Bone or bone marrow or hair. Hair is excellent.

GRACE: What can you get out of hair?

ARNALL: Hair is excellent.

GRACE: Like what?

ARNALL: Well, hair will tell you a couple of things. Hair can tell you what toxic substances she was exposed to at the time of death, but it also may tell you what substances she was exposed to before death. Hair grows about a centimeter a month, so you can actually go back in time to determine what other drugs she might have been exposed to before death for a period of days.

GRACE: Dr. Arnall, would the inhalation of chloroform show up in a hair?

ARNALL: For two reasons, it may not. It may have been a very short period of time. And the chloroform -- the chloroform is volatile. It means it evaporates. This hair`s been out in the open for a long period of time. The reason they picked it up in the trunk was that it was protected. But out in the open, it may well have completely evaporated.

GRACE: Dr. Arnall, will the only toxic substance that shows up in hair be something that was ingested, as opposed to something that was inhaled?

ARNALL: It could be ingested, it could be inhaled, or if this child was in a room where people were smoking marijuana or crack cocaine or methamphetamine, that also might be on the hair, as well.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/19/ng.01.html

[Sandy001]

Thank you for your wonderful answer, and your examples.

When LE interviewed Casey, I noticed in her answers that she would try to corroborate the statement within the statement, providing far more information than necessary to answer the original question, as if to try to throw off or confuse the questioner. Speech experts say providing more information than necessary is usually a sign of lying. I agree with your post above about the State of Florida wanting her dead. She's enraged the public. Most think she deserves to die. I know I do.


Most definitely. And, to me, the fact that she included MIDDLE names for key players set off my hinky meter. How many people actually KNOW the middle names of their associates - particularly the superficial relationships that Casey had. People know my middle name only because that is the name I use. In fact, most don't know my "real first" name - my kids didn't even know it until they were teens.

Guilty people often tell LE too much information. imo And it's not to be helpful. It's to Cover their a**

[ruth66]

(bodling mine) I am not sure they are capable of any such REAL emotion. They sure seem to be able to turn on and turn off their "anguish" unlike their anger. I am specualting now, but I am not sure they are capable of ANYTHING real. jmo

I agree, they are not capable of "real" emotion, but emotion as they perceive it, and we all know how skewed that is.
I just read the Michelle Murphy transcript and she gives a perfect example of their perception of emotion with Casey calling and saying she wanted to get herself committed one day and they the next everything was perfectly fine. Such extremes in this family.

[Lavinia]

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0612/19734761.pdf

page 16:

JW: They'd gotten pretty close those two.
JA: What, your daughter and George have gotten close?
JW: Uh-hum. (affirmative).

How old is Joy Wray's daughter?!?!
:scared:

Wow, does someone have to remind this lady to take her ding-dong pill every day? :ohmy:

[Sandy001]

I have frequently negotiated with people who had already informed me that the matter is not open for negotiation. The State doesn't have to agree to anything, but it only takes an offer from one side to constitute a "negotiation." Also, we are dealing with people who had agreed to take the death penalty off the table in response to Terence Lenaman's letter so perhaps they could be persuaded to do that again.

As far as Casey telling the truth, well, obviously nobody is going to trust anything Casey says that is not corroborated by independent evidence. Here's the thing: when something is actually true, it leaves footprints across the landscape of reality. For example, if I went grocery shopping last night then there will be supporting evidence such as my bank records showing payment from my account to the supermarket, the supermarket's bank records showing receipt of my payment, possibly video surveillance cameras recording my presence, possibly supermarket employees who recall seeing me, pings from my cell phone, possibly my Prius navigation system records where I was (I don't know whether or not it does), groceries in my home - particularly the datecoded milk - can be traced back to the supermarket, and so forth. If I merely lie about having gone grocery shopping last night then there will be no such supporting evidence. Similarly, if I have a job or a babysitter, there will be corroborating evidentiary trails - tax records, payroll records, bank records, phone records, photos, coworkers, etc.

That lack of any corroborating evidence has been Casey's primary problem. Casey did not really have a job so she did not need a nanny nor have the means to pay a nanny. The nanny has never been seen by anyone, has never been in any photograph, did not live where Casey said, and so on because the whole job/nanny story was a lie. If Casey ever tells the truth, it should be possible to obtain corroborating evidence. I don't have any idea what that truth might be so I can't give examples of possible corroborating evidence although I am certain such evidence would exist.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions
In a past life, I was a Union negotiator. You only negotiate when you are in a position of power. The defense had the power early on before the body was found so they turned down a plea deal. I bet they are regreting that day now. I do not think the State will agree to any deal at this poitn. I think they have more information than they need to convict Casey. They might, just to save money if she agrees to a guilty plea, but somehow I cannot see Casey or even Baez agreeing to admit ANY guilt at all.

[ruth66]

Wow, does someone have to remind this lady to take her ding-dong pill every day? :ohmy:


There is something to be said about the people that get intertwined with the Anthony's. All seem to be just a little out there. This in itself should tell you something.

[need2no]

There is something to be said about the people that get intertwined with the Anthony's. All seem to be just a little out there. This in itself should tell you something.


Birds of a feather :chicken:

[101Spots]

The A's drive me CRAZY! They claim anguish if the autopsy is released but where was their anguish in the deposistions and TV shows they have been on since Caylee's Murder? If they are so anguished WHY wouldnt they want Caylee's killer to pay for her Murder? PLEASE Anthony Family stop trying to pee on my leg and tell me its raining. They have lied and used each other soooo much I dont believe any of em!

JMHO

Hugs,

Spyder

The way I interpret the Anthony's objection to the release of the autopsy is not that they themselves would be upset reading the contents. They would be upset because the results would be discussed by us, the great unwashed public. We might say something nasty. Or rude. They don't want their feelings hurt.

Perish the thought. :sneaky:

[ladeebug565]

have the A's seen the autopsy report yet?

Conway was so adamant that the duct tape wasn't wrapped around the skull on Larry King, they must have seen something...and where else but the autopsy report?

[Chardonnay]

A new book is about to be released.."Mommy's Little Girl".

http://www.wftv.com/irresistible/19735957/detail.html

[desmom]

Did they release them yet? TIA

off to read....:chicken:

[AnniePie]

... okay, was that little pdf file of Joy Wray's interview with LE our doc dump?!! :scared:

I shaved my legs for this?

[KittyMom]

After reading the Krause transcript it sure sounds like LE wants to nail Cindy for something. :thumbsup:

[101Spots]

Well, it's undoubtedly valuable experience for her students -- not the worst way to learn about real law, than a current case of this magnitude.

Just sayin -- I wouldn't mind doing this kind of research if I were in one of her classes.

It could be worse,
:smile:

Well, if this is what they're doing, I hope they all flunk.

<Nothing personal with you, Tuna.>

[GumShoeJoe]

There is something to be said about the people that get intertwined with the Anthony's. All seem to be just a little out there. This in itself should tell you something.

Agree. And I think this is true with a lot of social "misfits". More "centered" people shy away from them, even if they can't put their finger on why.
And the way this family has behaved since Day 31, I would certainly label them as misfits.

[Imperfect4]

A new book is about to be released.."Mommy's Little Girl".

http://www.wftv.com/irresistible/19735957/detail.html

Oh, dear. Cindy's not gonna like this ... :scared:

:rolleyes:

[Lavinia]

There is something to be said about the people that get intertwined with the Anthony's. All seem to be just a little out there. This in itself should tell you something.

Uh oh, I see she's been Baker Acted 5 times. I think I understand now.

[Imperfect4]

... okay, was that little pdf file of Joy Wray's interview with LE our doc dump?!! :scared:

I shaved my legs for this?

..... :laugh: .....

There's also an interview with Sean Krause (the blog owner who died of cancer in February), plus copies of G&C's Morgan depos, plus "other investigative documents" on the FoxOrlando site, the significance of which I can't fathom (plus I hate the way Fox formats their docs).

[uberwe]

Hi All!

Just popping in to see if the docs have been released yet. I didn't see much in the links, just the denial for the autopsy release.

Uberwe

[*MoonRider*]

Uh oh, I see she's been Baker Acted 5 times. I think I understand now.

I wonder if she will trade in her "Caylee is Alive" poster for "Casey is innocent" at the vigil at BP. :chicken:

[Chardonnay]

Oh, dear. Cindy's not gonna like this ... :scared:

:rolleyes:

No kidding, and knowing her she'll have it blocked for release. :laugh:

[Lavinia]

:scared: I'm not sure how I feel about this. :w00t:

No kidding. Would you let the OC off the hook a bit to get the whole batch of 'em, or throw any co-conspirators away to get the ultimate penalty for her?

Okay, how 'bout they TELL her they will give her that deal; give up the co-conspirators and they'll let her plead to 2nd, then, VIOLA'! April Fool's! (Of course this will have to be orchestrated carefully with the calendar, lol.)

[need2no]

And what about ole Lee?

He had something to do with events/parking/bus transportation didn't he?
For the Super Bowl?

When (some) people come in from out of town, they have a way of getting in touch with people who arrange not only vehicles and game parties, but escorts as well.

I've thought from way back when that ole Lee's mysterious "work" is involved with his sister. That the both of them were involved in entertainment, so to speak.

KC the call girl, her brother her "manager." I just can't see ole Lee not knowing his sister was dating for dollars -- and lazy Lee managing to get a cut.

She was the event, and he was her manager. So to speak.

I mean, the guy isn't working at a 9-5 regular job. Or even the third shift anywhere.

And he's scared poopless, which is one of the reasons why he's vanished, for all intents and purposes.

Lee knows a lot.
Because he's way more involved in this, on several levels, than we know.

:mellow:


Yes, and Luka wanted blanket immunity for Lee, obviously because Lee knows more than he's telling.

[Lavinia]

I wonder if she will trade in her "Caylee is Alive" poster for "Casey is innocent" at the vigil at BP. :chicken:

If she chews through her restraints and makes the trip. :sneaky:

[summer]

No kidding. Would you let the OC off the hook a bit to get the whole batch of 'em, or throw any co-conspirators away to get the ultimate penalty for her?

Okay, how 'bout they TELL her they will give her that deal; give up the co-conspirators and they'll let her plead to 2nd, then, VIOLA'! April Fool's! (Of course this will have to be orchestrated carefully with the calendar, lol.)

How about if they offer LWOP instead of DP in exchange for proof of co-conspirator's actions? Sounds like a win to me. :biggrin:

[need2no]

I wonder if she will trade in her "Caylee is Alive" poster for "Casey is innocent" at the vigil at BP. :chicken:


Looks like she is a busy lady.


Detailed Information for Case 592008CF002535A

Case Number: 592008CF002535A Judge: EATON, JR., O. H.
Defendant Name: JOY WRAY
DOB: 06/1979

0 DRIVING WITHOUT HEADLIGHTS
0 RESIST OFFICER FLEE/ELUDE W/ACTIVE SIREN
1 FLEEING OR ATTEMPTING TO ELUDE A POLICE OFFICER
2 RECKLESS DRIVING

08/12/2008 FREE MENTAL HEALTH DIVERSION/PRETRIAL RELEASE
08/12/2008 DNP DEFENDANT WAS NOT PRESENT FOR ARRAIGNMENT
08/12/2008 MNFD STATE ATTORNEY S. PIERCE/L. GUTTENTAG WAS PRESENT FOR ARRAIGNMENT
08/12/2008 MNFD PD MAC-HOWARD/ ANDERSON WAS PRESENT FOR ARRAIGNMENT
08/12/2008 MNFD MENTAL HEALTH DIVERSION AGREEMENT FILED IN THE COURT FILE, REMOVE FROM THE
08/12/2008 MNFD --DOCKET.
08/12/2008 MNFD DEFENDANT RELEASED AS TO THIS CAUSE
08/12/2008 MNFD (0)DRIVING WITHOUT HEADLIGHTS 316.217 I-: COURT DISMISSED CHARGE.
08/08/2008 LOPE SEALED ENVELOPE LETTER FROM SEMINOLE COMMUNITY MENTAL HEALTH CENTER
07/01/2008 PRES DEFENDANT WAS PRESENT FOR ARRAIGNMENT
07/01/2008 MNFD STATE ATTORNEY S. PIERCE/L. GUTTENTAG WAS PRESENT FOR ARRAIGNMENT
07/01/2008 MNFD PD MAC-HOWARD/ANDERSON WAS PRESENT FOR ARRAIGNMENT
07/01/2008 ARSC ARRAIGNMENT CONTINUED TO 08/12/2008 AT 0130PM IN COURTROOM 1A, AT CRIMINAL
07/01/2008 ARSC --JUSTICE BUILDING BEFORE JUDGE O. H. EATON JR MANDATORY COURT APPEARANCE.
07/01/2008 MNFD MENTAL HEALTH DIVERSION CANDIDATE.
07/01/2008 MNFD ALL CHARGES: DEFENDANT CONTINUED ON BOND
07/01/2008 MNFD COURT GRANTED DEFENSE MOTION TO CONTINUE
06/10/2008 ACKA ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF APPOINTMENT
06/03/2008 AIAP AFFIDAVIT OF INDIGENCY/APPROVED MO 06/04/2008 FEE - AMT: $40.00
06/03/2008 PDPD ASSIGN ATTORNEY - NAME: PUBLIC DEFENDER
06/03/2008 PRES DEFENDANT WAS PRESENT FOR ARRAIGNMENT
06/03/2008 MNFD STATE ATTORNEY S. PIERCE/L. GUTTENTAG WAS PRESENT FOR ARRAIGNMENT
06/03/2008 MNFD PD MAC-HOWARD/ANDERSON WAS PRESENT FOR ARRAIGNMENT
06/03/2008 ARSC ARRAIGNMENT CONTINUED TO 07/01/2008 AT 0130PM IN COURTROOM 1A, AT CRIMINAL
06/03/2008 ARSC --JUSTICE BUILDING BEFORE JUDGE O. H. EATON JR MANDATORY COURT APPEARANCE.
06/03/2008 MNFD COURT FOUND INDIGENT AND APPOINTED PUBLIC DEFENDER
06/03/2008 MNFD ALL CHARGES: DEFENDANT CONTINUED ON BOND
06/03/2008 MNFD COURT GRANTED DEFENSE MOTION TO CONTINUE
05/29/2008 IFFD INFORMATION FILED - DATE: 05/29/2008
05/15/2008 SYS NOTICE FOR ARRAIGNMENT JUN 03, 2008 AT 01:30 PM PRINTED
05/15/2008 ATFD ARREST REPORT - DATE: 03/26/2008
05/15/2008 BDBD SET BONDSMAN - AMT: $0.00 - STATUS: NOB
05/15/2008 ARSC ARRAIGNMENT SET [M] - DATE: 06/03/2008 - TIME: 0130PM - CTRM: 1A
05/15/2008 CTAT CITATION(S) 3



http://seminoleclerk.org/CriminalDocket/case_detail_5.jsp?CaseNo=592008CF002535A

[Imperfect4]

No kidding. Would you let the OC off the hook a bit to get the whole batch of 'em, or throw any co-conspirators away to get the ultimate penalty for her?

Okay, how 'bout they TELL her they will give her that deal; give up the co-conspirators and they'll let her plead to 2nd, then, VIOLA'! April Fool's! (Of course this will have to be orchestrated carefully with the calendar, lol.)

Depends on the definition of letting her off the hook. If "off the hook" is, say, 80 years without parole, and she fingers (pun intended) the rest of the Hand Family, and her information is verifiable, I think I could be REAL good with that. :thumbup:

Didn't you have an appointment today, missy? :sneaky:

[Lavinia]

How about if they offer LWOP instead of DP in exchange for proof of co-conspirator's actions? Sounds like a win to me. :biggrin:

Oh, I would LOVE this to happen. I want LWOP for her anyway, so it would be a win-win AFAIC. :thumbsup:

[need2no]

How about if they offer LWOP instead of DP in exchange for proof of co-conspirator's actions? Sounds like a win to me. :biggrin:

I'll vote for that. :thumbsup:

[Imperfect4]

Yes, and Luka wanted blanket immunity for Lee, obviously because Lee knows more than he's telling.

Yep, and not only did he want immunity, he also made statements which hinted that Middle Finger's arrest was imminent.

[Lavinia]

Depends on the definition of letting her off the hook. If "off the hook" is, say, 80 years without parole, and she fingers (pun intended) the rest of the Hand Family, and her information is verifiable, I think I could be REAL good with that. <STOLE YOUR THUMBUP>

Didn't you have an appointment today, missy? :sneaky:

Uh, I think I might have, <cough> canceled, that little appt. :unsure:

I'll go for it if they give her 99 years with parole possible after 90. :thumbup:

[happy2bme]

Wow, does someone have to remind this lady to take her ding-dong pill every day? :ohmy:

Then she turns around and says she has never left them alone together.

[Lavinia]

Then she turns around and says she has never left them alone together.

Yeah, because she "doesn't want *her* daughter to go missing"! :rolleyes: :laugh:

[need2no]

Yep, and not only did he want immunity, he also made statements which hinted that Middle Finger's arrest was imminent.


Oh yes, that's right, and now they've both mysteriously gone MIA. :sneaky:

[Imperfect4]

Uh, I think I might have, <cough> canceled, that little appt. :unsure:

I'll go for it if they give her 99 years with parole possible after 90. <traded your thumbup for a no>

Is there such a thing as without parole in a less-than-life sentence? Just curious. :huh:

Cancelled, did you? :no:

[*MoonRider*]

I wonder if Joy Wray was one of the masses that have flocked to Cindy's church? :smile:

[spiritwolf46]

Hello all!

I see that Strickland, once again, did not rule on the latest motion of having the Autopsy results not released in the doc drop! Was the hearing able to be watched on live stream and if so, can you awesome peeps fill me in on what transpired? I looked in the links and online and could not find anything other than a very SHORT article stating that the Judge will halt it until he rules next week. Is that right?

[FallenAngel♥]

I thought we were going to get a doc dump today :blink:

[desmom]

I wonder if she will trade in her "Caylee is Alive" poster for "Casey is innocent" at the vigil at BP. :chicken:

On pages 2-3 she said "we came here a few times", - once with TES and one time with her hubby, but on page 26 she said she was there over 20 times. :confused:

[101Spots]

Yeah, she was probably already figuring out who she could cheat on him with. :sneaky:

Probably already done it. :lol:

[AnniePie]

..... :laugh: .....

There's also an interview with Sean Krause (the blog owner who died of cancer in February), plus copies of G&C's Morgan depos, plus "other investigative documents" on the FoxOrlando site, the significance of which I can't fathom (plus I hate the way Fox formats their docs).

Thanks for the info, I can see what you mean about hating the way Fox formats their docs! Phew... I can't be bothered reading them that way. I'll depend on you guys to tell me what's in there. :rolleyes:

[Imperfect4]

Oh yes, that's right, and now they've both mysteriously gone MIA. :sneaky:

I sure hope LE is just riding this out to make sure the Hands are available for the criminal trial. Then once that's done ... BAM! ... arrest the rest of em 1-2-3. :thumbup:

[~Dramatica~]

Is it just me or is something strange happening to this board?:ohmy:

[happy2bme]

Yeah, because she "doesn't want *her* daughter to go missing"! :rolleyes: :laugh:

When she searched one particular area she says 10 times.....is she talking about the are that Caylee was found? Is this area the one she searched two days after Caylee was reported missing because of her "gut feeling"?

She sounds like a busy body to me. JMO

[Imperfect4]

Hello all!

I see that Strickland, once again, did not rule on the latest motion of having the Autopsy results not released in the doc drop! Was the hearing able to be watched on live stream and if so, can you awesome peeps fill me in on what transpired? I looked in the links and online and could not find anything other than a very SHORT article stating that the Judge will halt it until he rules next week. Is that right?

Hey lady! Hearing hasn't been scheduled yet, to my knowledge. "Sometime next week" is all I've seen.

[bchand]

Hello all!

I see that Strickland, once again, did not rule on the latest motion of having the Autopsy results not released in the doc drop! Was the hearing able to be watched on live stream and if so, can you awesome peeps fill me in on what transpired? I looked in the links and online and could not find anything other than a very SHORT article stating that the Judge will halt it until he rules next week. Is that right?

Hi spiritwolf - Judge Strickland is waiting for a written response from the media. Then he will either rule or schedule a hearing.

[Imperfect4]

On pages 2-3 she said "we came here a few times", - once with TES and one time with her hubby, but on page 26 she said she was there over 20 times. :confused:

Get the net. :rolleyes:

[bchand]

ROFLMAO!

I am sooooo jealous! My squirrels just hang out under my car. :sad:

My squirrels are just well-prepared.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v711/Bettychand/squirrelinfatigues-1.jpg

[*MoonRider*]

State prisoner convicted of killing fellow inmate over honey-bun theft
This is what the OC has to look forward to. http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/lake/orl-lake-county-roque-061209,0,2454.story

[TunaMelt]

:blushing:

What does Baker Acted mean?

i should know this, right? But I don't...

:blushing:

TIA

:smile:

[5boxersmom]

Michelle Murphy interview is interesting. We already knew most of it. Lee told Cindy about Casey being pregnant again and Cindy freaked.

Wonder if she really was pregnant? Or was she trying to trap Brandon into marriage. Said she wanted to live on base with Brandon, baby and Caylee. How long did she date this Brandon? Anyone know?

jmo

[*MoonRider*]

:w00t:

I can't remember Imp, are you going to try to make a day or a couple of days of the trial?

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/lake/orl-lake-county-roque-061209,0,2454.story

State prisoner convicted of killing fellow inmate over honey-bun theft OC is gonna like it in the big house. :thumbsup:

[spiritwolf46]

I'll bring the portable wardrobe, cuz I'm sure we'll all need new dresses after that! :laugh:

.....:lol:.....

[Imperfect4]

Is there anything of any significance in the Sean Krause 75 page interview?

I just can't get through it, with all the I,I,I,I's and um's and stuttering and generally incomprehensible statements by SK. Patience isn't my strong suit. :glare:

[spiritwolf46]

I sure hope LE is just riding this out to make sure the Hands are available for the criminal trial. Then once that's done ... BAM! ... arrest the rest of em 1-2-3. :thumbup:

Hiya Imperfect!!!!

Wouldn't that just be the GREATEST day EVER???? :laugh:

[spiritwolf46]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/lake/orl-lake-county-roque-061209,0,2454.story

State prisoner convicted of killing fellow inmate over honey-bun theft OC is gonna like it in the big house. :thumbsup:

OMG! What will they do over pork rinds????? :ohmy:

I know that there is a lot of stuff that happens in GP. I am not sure that they will like a baby killer, let alone a lying, coniving, manipulative one at that!

[happy2bme]

What just happened?


I tried to refresh my page and it said link broken? Did this only happen to me?:confused:

[TunaMelt]

:thumbsup:



That would make my day, and just thinking about it I have to pull out the little fella again!


http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x161/need2no/My%20slideshows/541-happy-squirrel-dance.gif

:lol:

love it!

[bchand]

We have GOT to do some kind of synchronized, virtual celebration when she gets sentenced!
(Thanks for the song! That always makes me feel happy.)

We'll have to note the "most people ever online" figure (when Scott Peterson was either found guilty or sentenced), and compare it to the day of this verdict. I'll bet it beats the record.

[Imperfect4]

Hiya Imperfect!!!!

Wouldn't that just be the GREATEST day EVER???? :laugh:

YES!

Drinks will be on me! :beer:

[nana6]

well good afternoon everyone. This is the first chance I have had to ge ton here today. Any bombshells to report?

[bchand]

Is the board going wacky for anyone else?

I just made 2 posts and they are appearing back at 2:17 pm.

Odd.

[spiritwolf46]

Hey lady! Hearing hasn't been scheduled yet, to my knowledge. "Sometime next week" is all I've seen.

Thank you and thank you, too, bchand! :wub:

OH how I hope they do not get their way!

[need2no]

I sure hope LE is just riding this out to make sure the Hands are available for the criminal trial. Then once that's done ... BAM! ... arrest the rest of em 1-2-3. :thumbup:

:thumbsup:



That would make my day, and just thinking about it I have to pull out the little fella again!


http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x161/need2no/My%20slideshows/541-happy-squirrel-dance.gif

[spiritwolf46]

YES!

Drinks will be on me! :beer:



LOL!!! I will bring the stuff for munchies!

[happy2bme]

Is the board going wacky for anyone else?

I just made 2 posts and they are appearing back at 2:17 pm.

Odd.


Phew...glad to know it wasn't just me.
Strange:glare:

[101Spots]

Michelle Murphy interview is interesting. We already knew most of it. Lee told Cindy about Casey being pregnant again and Cindy freaked.

Wonder if she really was pregnant? Or was she trying to trap Brandon into marriage. Said she wanted to live on base with Brandon, baby and Caylee. How long did she date this Brandon? Anyone know?

jmo

Half-hour, 45 minutes.......

:rolleyes: