Friday, June 12, 2009 #1

[crimeq]

Houston Hobby or Intercontinental. We have a Jefferson County airport, but it just jumps the puddle to Houston. I've been getting alerts from Priceline or some company about OrLawnDoe hotel prices and plane prices but haven't been paying any attention since we not only don't know what area of time yet, we don't even know what TOWN.

We're keeping this on the DL, since hubby knows I'm so studiously and soberly doing a case study on Casey Anthony's personality characteristics/disorders and fellow scientists must accompany me with our mobile lab for appropriate analyzation. Pffffffftt! :sneaky:

ETA: "FLB arm?" :confused:

I'm in :smile: I'm in Houston, so you and I are practically neighbors, Lavinia!

We need some snazzy T-shirts for the ROAD TRIP!

[Imperfect4]

tool and die (casting) ?

:confused:

Not tool and die, but there was another word in the title having to do with weapons, IIRC.

[imc_e]

On NG they are discussing the possibility of marks on the bones, and maybe fractures..

WHAT did Casey do to Caylee?! :crying:

[Lavinia]

OMG, Lavinia ... it struck me exactly the same way!

Yes, and it wasn't just something she was parroting back. She asked it very appropriately. She *felt* that question. :wub:

[Snewpy]

And what about ole Lee?

He had something to do with events/parking/bus transportation didn't he?
For the Super Bowl?

When (some) people come in from out of town, they have a way of getting in touch with people who arrange not only vehicles and game parties, but escorts as well.

I've thought from way back when that ole Lee's mysterious "work" is involved with his sister. That the both of them were involved in entertainment, so to speak.

KC the call girl, her brother her "manager." I just can't see ole Lee not knowing his sister was dating for dollars -- and lazy Lee managing to get a cut.

She was the event, and he was her manager. So to speak.
I mean, the guy isn't working at a 9-5 regular job. Or even the third shift anywhere.

And he's scared poopless, which is one of the reasons why he's vanished, for all intents and purposes.

Lee knows a lot.
Because he's way more involved in this, on several levels, than we know.

:mellow:

Well she did tell people she was an event planner, didn't she? They just didn't know SHE was the event. ... IMO of course

[summer4meplz]

Good news or Bad news what do you want first

your choice.....(I'm bracing myself)

[sunstar]

That's okay. We figured it out thanks to sunstar.

Thanks so much for giving me credit but I don't think I deserve it! :smile:

Something interesting on Nancy's show she was talking with a medical expert and he suggests that even though Caylee's remains were skeletonized it could be that signs of old fractures/injuries were present which would indicate abuse. :scared:

[bchand]

Good news or Bad news what do you want first

Bad news first, spill it !!!

[Lavinia]

Not tool and die, but there was another word in the title having to do with weapons, IIRC.

Forensic? :shrug:

[Imperfect4]

her version of the truth, which differs from Zanny at Sawgrass and Zanny at the park....

she already implicated herself as a 'witness' to the abduction in her second version. I see Casey taking that story one step further. well, more than one.

I dont believe in coincidences in this particular case. one of his attorneys visited her on the evening of the 10th of Dec and didnt leave until 4:30am on the 11th. Caylee was discovered hours later.

coincidence? I dont believe so. I believe Kronk is hiding something. the PI's are involved. I believe there is a mile long connection between all of these players, and the Anthonys were informed every step of the way.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

I agree, Pru. There's a "daisy chain" (:rolleyes:) of some sort, connecting several of these players. I didn't realize until just a day or so ago that Casey had an overnight visitor at the jail the night before Caylee's remains were discovered. When you add that little factoid to the PI's, to Kronk's rather incredible persistence in getting the remains discovered, to Lenny's theories, to Lee's code talk, to the hinky behavior of G, C and Lee, well ... there's much more to the story. imo

[sunstar]

On NG they are discussing the possibility of marks on the bones, and maybe fractures..

WHAT did Casey do to Caylee?! :crying:

Any new injuries could be explained away as the "real killer" inflicted them, but what they wouldn't want out is any sign of past or continuing trauma which could not be explained unless of course it was that Zanny the Nanny did it ~ again :angry:

[Lavinia]

I'm in :smile: I'm in Houston, so you and I are practically neighbors, Lavinia!

We need some snazzy T-shirts for the ROAD TRIP!

I had no idea we where so close crimeq! :seeya: We ARE close!

Hmm, where can we get an event planner for our trip to figure all these little details out. :sneaky:

[vonna]

I don't believe she is capable of telling the truth - to anyone. Baez isn't special enough, no one is, for her to be honest with. He is just another person to use and manipulate.

Defense attorney's only use the truth to twist beyond recognition. It is a lie to say they seek only the truth; what they seek is a loophole to extricate their guilty client.

[Imperfect4]

On NG they are discussing the possibility of marks on the bones, and maybe fractures..

WHAT did Casey do to Caylee?! :crying:

I think Dr. G said there was no trauma to the bones.

[sunstar]

I agree, Pru. There's a "daisy chain" (:rolleyes:) of some sort, connecting several of these players. I didn't realize until just a day or so ago that Casey had an overnight visitor at the jail the night before Caylee's remains were discovered. When you add that little factoid to the PI's, to Kronk's rather incredible persistence in getting the remains discovered, to Lenny's theories, to Lee's code talk, to the hinky behavior of G, C and Lee, well ... there's much more to the story. imo

I always thought Leonard had a good imagination with his daisy chain until finding out about the visit way into the early morning hours of 12/11. Now I believe him! :scared: MOO

[really3997]

Bad news first, spill it !!!

Bad news Crime Scene has nothing there.

Good News its flooding


got one more wanna hear it

[Imperfect4]

Yes, and it wasn't just something she was parroting back. She asked it very appropriately. She *felt* that question. :wub:

I think she would've been eaten alive growing up in that den of ... whatever. :angry:

Imagine being an empathetic, sensitive child in that house? Dear God. :crying:

[bchand]

Bad news Crime Scene has nothing there.

Good News its flooding


got one more wanna hear it

Yes !!!

Limo again? KidFindermobile?

[sunstar]

I think Dr. G said there was no trauma to the bones.

She could've been splitting hairs too, so to speak. New trauma ~ no; but that wouldn't necessarily be the same as excluding possible old/healing injuries. I just think the doctor may have hit upon a reason why the A's are so adamant about not having the report released. After all, Caylee's remains were just bones, so what would they be hiding? MOO

[Imperfect4]

I always thought Leonard had a good imagination with his daisy chain until finding out about the visit way into the early morning hours of 12/11. Now I believe him! :scared: MOO

Lenny actually has little bits of good info, but mostly they get lost when he starts weaving his goofy theories all around them. :laugh:

[imc_e]

Any new injuries could be explained away as the "real killer" inflicted them, but what they wouldn't want out is any sign of past or continuing trauma which could not be explained unless of course it was that Zanny the Nanny did it ~ again :angry:

Blogger News posted that the autopsy report could reveal the placement of the duct tape proving the death was not an accident.

[Pruddennce]

If I was going to speculate, I'll bet it's what we all thought initially. That Xanax was present in her system. Or maybe in the maggots.

Hi DT.....

Dr G's original press statement Dec 19th:

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2008/12/19/dr._jan_garavaglia39s_statement_dec._19_2008.html


The manner of death, though, is an opinion based on available information, including, examination of the body, information from the scene, as well as circumstantial evidence. Based on all of this, the manner of death in this case is homicide. The cause of death will be listed as homicide by undetermined means. Should other pertinent information become available, the cause of death could be revisited.

perhaps this is why the DP was put back on the table.

Cindy A should be in anguish....she withheld critical information from LE and from the FBI. the blanket. and the blanket turned up at the scene. IMO it is T H E blanket she referenced when it showed up on the search warrant after her remains were found.....

Cindy made a boo boo by blurting out ITS MISSING; IMO she blurted because she was ANGRY they were gonna toss the home again.....as soon as those words escaped her mouth, I bet all of her blood rushed to her head.......*OMG what did I just say???!!!* (she spent 5 months keeping silent about it a/k/a compromising the investigation).......

we have media reports and a little in the doc dumps' narrative passages about the placement of, for instance, the duct tape, but the official report will sum up one person's professional opinion as to how Caylee Anthony may have died. all of the items found with the body will be enumerated. this is what the Anthonys do not want the world to know until trial.

whatever.....the death of Caylee Anthony and the autopsy of her REMAINS will be revealed.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[sunstar]

Lenny actually has little bits of good info, but mostly they get lost when he starts weaving his goofy theories all around them. :laugh:

I'll agree with that too! :laugh:

[Imperfect4]

She could've been splitting hairs too, so to speak. New trauma ~ no; but that wouldn't necessarily be the same as excluding possible old/healing injuries. I just think the doctor may have hit upon a reason why the A's are so adamant about not having the report released. After all, Caylee's remains were just bones, so what would they be hiding? MOO

Imo, they don't want Dr. G's summary out here. Dr. G or her assistant referred to it as her "strong opinion" about what happened to Caylee. Think about it. It's the first written statement by a bona fide expert with intimate knowledge of the case, and it's obviously not favorable to Caylee's accused murderer. Dang tootin the Anthonys don't want that out here. :sneaky:

[sunstar]

Blogger News posted that the autopsy report could reveal the placement of the duct tape proving the death was not an accident.

Ohhhhhhhhh ~ thanks so much! I haven't had a chance to read that yet. All I can think of is it's something "bad" that they wouldn't want out there.

[sunstar]

Imo, they don't want Dr. G's summary out here. Dr. G or her assistant referred to it as her "strong opinion" about what happened to Caylee. Think about it. It's the first written statement by a bona fide expert with intimate knowledge of the case, and it's obviously not favorable to Caylee's accused murderer. Dang tootin the Anthonys don't want that out here. :sneaky:

Would Dr. G actually give her opinion of who killed Caylee though? Or could it be the defense is going to say something suggesting it was an accident and what Casey is "innocent" of is murder? :confused: MOO

[really3997]

Yes !!!

Limo again? KidFindermobile?

No Limo, Kidnotfinder has not been there since the caper

I know who has the Nanny's dog.

[imc_e]

Pru

I have to say how much I enjoy reading your posts!

Interesting, I was thinking and reading about that blanket this afternoon.

Cindy knows exactly what happened to Caylee, and she just doesn't want the potential jury to hear it.

But we will. :tonguewag:

[Pruddennce]

Blogger News posted that the autopsy report could reveal the placement of the duct tape proving the death was not an accident.

absolutely. the original condition of the remains is crucial.

it has crossed my mind that the tape was placed entirely around the mouth AND nose area, with overlap fastening at the back of the head.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence......*

[Imperfect4]

Would Dr. G actually give her opinion of who killed Caylee though? Or could it be the defense is going to say something suggesting it was an accident and what Casey is "innocent" of is murder? :confused: MOO

I'm sure it won't be about "who" ... it is assumed the accused is "who." It'll be about "how" ... which will make the "who" look even worse than she already does, if that's possible.

[Imperfect4]

No Limo, Kidnotfinder has not been there since the caper

I know who has the Nanny's dog.

say WHAT? :scared:

[really3997]

say WHAT? :scared:

Ok maybe I need to explain. There is a pomerian (sp) mix on Hopespring. I don't want to get in trouble so maybe I should pm

[AMS]

No Limo, Kidnotfinder has not been there since the caper

I know who has the Nanny's dog.

oh oh oh...c'mon really....please tell us!

imo

[Imperfect4]

Imo Lenny was very entertaining. When he bailed her out I was so mad....Then he grew on you. Without him i think well it was very interesting indeed. We really learned alot from him. And he was only with them for such a short time.

I don't mind ole Leonard. I don't take most of what he says very seriously, but I do listen to his theories, because sometimes they confirm my own suspicions.

[imc_e]

absolutely. the original condition of the remains is crucial.

it has crossed my mind that the tape was placed entirely around the mouth AND nose area, with overlap fastening at the back of the head.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence......*

Pru

It makes sense about the duct tape being wrapped around her head, and not just on her mouth. I think of the hair having to be cut to remove the tape, and there isn't hair growing around her mouth but there is hair at the back of her head. Its the only way it would have stayed on throughout the process of decomposition..
Wrapping the tape completely around her head could have suffocated her...too.

[Lavinia]

The Discovery Channel will have a profile of the Miami-Dade County Jail coming up in an hour.

[Imperfect4]

Ok maybe I need to explain. There is a pomerian (sp) mix on Hopespring. I don't want to get in trouble so maybe I should pm

Ahhhh. I'm soooo surprised. Not. :sneaky:

[Imperfect4]

The Discovery Channel will have a profile of the Miami-Dade County Jail coming up in an hour.

Do we need to check it out in the event we wind up in it during the trial? :laugh:

[bchand]

No Limo, Kidnotfinder has not been there since the caper

I know who has the Nanny's dog.


The pomeranian-mix one? lol Who?

[Imperfect4]

Pru

It makes sense about the duct tape being wrapped around her head, and not just on her mouth. I think of the hair having to be cut to remove the tape, and there isn't hair growing around her mouth but there is hair at the back of her head. Its the only way it would have stayed on throughout the process of decomposition..
Wrapping the tape completely around her head could have suffocated her...too.

This autopsy report we're all dying to see is going to be tough to read, imo. :unsure:

[MrLucky917B]

Lenny actually has little bits of good info, but mostly they get lost when he starts weaving his goofy theories all around them. :laugh:

Amen to that

[crimeq]

It is also disturbing to read MM interview about how Caylee clung to Casey.

imo

Something very interesting in the MM interview was her saying that Casey didn't want Cindy to find out about any of her "bad" behavior -- but Cindy was the first person she turned to, if she had any kind of trouble.

I am still not totally convinced that this whole "script" was set up by Cindy -- that Casey leveled with her early-on about what happened, and Cindy said, don't worry, we'll take care of it.

[Imperfect4]

The pomeranian-mix one? lol Who?

Betcha money its owner walked it past the House of Anthony as G&C were getting in their car to go do their Morgan depos. :sneaky:

[Lavinia]

Do we need to check it out in the event we wind up in it during the trial? :laugh:

We won't need it. I have handcuff keys. We won't be taken easily. :sneaky:

[Imperfect4]

Amen to that

Still holding that grudge against Lenny, eh Mr. L? :laugh:

[sunstar]

Pru

I have to say how much I enjoy reading your posts!

Interesting, I was thinking and reading about that blanket this afternoon.

Cindy knows exactly what happened to Caylee, and she just doesn't want the potential jury to hear it.

But we will. :tonguewag:

Ditto the same thoughts from me! I completely overlooked the last part of the ME's original statement about the cause of death being revisited and tying it in with the blanket that CA so nicely blurted out "it's missing". :scared:

[bchand]

Still holding that grudge against Lenny, eh Mr. L? :laugh:

lol I was thinking the same thing.

[Sun]

On NG they are discussing the possibility of marks on the bones, and maybe fractures..

WHAT did Casey do to Caylee?! :crying:

I wonder if the evidence could show that Caylee possibly could have been killed by a garbage bag put over her head, and tightly taped to suffocate her. If there was plastic under the duct tape????

I also wonder if the evidence will show that Caylee's body was first interred in the Anthonys backyard, before it was moved to Suburban drive. The cadaver dogs seem to maybe suggest something like this, but I do wonder if LE/CSI was able to find more evidence to corroborate this.

I also wonder if at some point in time, pesticides were sprayed on the body or bags, to repel insects, etc. Pesticides like those used at the Anthony home.

[Chardonnay]

Ok maybe I need to explain. There is a pomerian (sp) mix on Hopespring. I don't want to get in trouble so maybe I should pm

Please PM me with the info ! Pretty please, with sugar on top!

[FoxySly]

Geez Louise! I left for a bit to do some work, came back and feel like I'm in a parallel universe. :scared:

Yes, Lavinia ... I really, truly hope to be able to make it to the trial in OrLawnDoe. (I'm gonna get to Texas, and you're gonna get us to Fla ... remember?)

Ummm, I got a Son in Texas & a step-Daughter in Florida, you know you can pick me up right off HWY 95 :thumbup:

IMO Dr. G's report can not possible be any worse than anything we have imagined... can it? Coz I'm sure I'm not the only one who has had hideous nightmares of what precious Caylee went through.

Sly

~

[nana6]

:thumbup:

Impie wants a road trip from Houston to OrLawnDoe. The more drivers we have, the fewer miles each of us has to drive. :smile:

Now listen here, no one has to drive. Let's all get o the train!!! It would be soooo much fun. Just think, food drinks a sleeper car oh my we would have a great time and no one would be tired from driving either!!!!!

[Sun]

Ditto the same thoughts from me! I completely overlooked the last part of the ME's original statement about the cause of death being revisited and tying it in with the blanket that CA so nicely blurted out "it's missing". :scared:

Is this the blurted out statement to LE that Cindy denied making to LE, in the Depo by Morgan? The statement that is in the LE's report.

[seeing_eye]

I don't believe she is capable of telling the truth - to anyone. Baez isn't special enough, no one is, for her to be honest with. He is just another person to use and manipulate.

If her lips are moving, she's lying - no matter who she's talking with.

[nana6]

Everyone load up! Wild child's at the wheel. :w00t:

do you have any idea how many times we are going to have to sing One Hundred Bottles Of Beer On The Wall to get us down to Orlando??

[Dick Tracy]

Hi DT.....

Dr G's original press statement Dec 19th:

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2008/12/19/dr._jan_garavaglia39s_statement_dec._19_2008.html


The manner of death, though, is an opinion based on available information, including, examination of the body, information from the scene, as well as circumstantial evidence. Based on all of this, the manner of death in this case is homicide. The cause of death will be listed as homicide by undetermined means. Should other pertinent information become available, the cause of death could be revisited.

perhaps this is why the DP was put back on the table.

Cindy A should be in anguish....she withheld critical information from LE and from the FBI. the blanket. and the blanket turned up at the scene. IMO it is T H E blanket she referenced when it showed up on the search warrant after her remains were found.....

Cindy made a boo boo by blurting out ITS MISSING; IMO she blurted because she was ANGRY they were gonna toss the home again.....as soon as those words escaped her mouth, I bet all of her blood rushed to her head.......*OMG what did I just say???!!!* (she spent 5 months keeping silent about it a/k/a compromising the investigation).......

we have media reports and a little in the doc dumps' narrative passages about the placement of, for instance, the duct tape, but the official report will sum up one person's professional opinion as to how Caylee Anthony may have died. all of the items found with the body will be enumerated. this is what the Anthonys do not want the world to know until trial.

whatever.....the death of Caylee Anthony and the autopsy of her REMAINS will be revealed.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

Is this a Perry Mason/Colombo moment? Sure it's the additional pertinent information that has been resolved that put the DP back on the table. I'm still saying it's either the duct tape and/or the garbage bags that are going to one hundred percent link her and/or the Anthony home to the crime scene. When they added the tool cut expert, that is the first thing I had thought of.

Casey had inadequate council at the beginning of all this. The waterboy in my opinion, should have dissected what we, the public knew, and just went with that in trying to get Casey to take the plea deal when it was offered. But No. He was mesmerized by the PRP. She convinced him she didn't do it.

And whoah to Casey..... now everything she says will have no credibility at all, unless it can be corroborated. How'd you like to go through life not being able to communicate to anyone because they know ahead of time that you're just a flipping liar.

She'll be thrown to the lions... She'll sit in prison and get obese, they'll fatten her all up. Some of those sisters in there will get her hooks in her. They won't take her crap, like everyone else has.

[Lapis]

I don't understand why Cindy and George Anthony have any legal standing to file a motion to suppress the autopsy. They are not parties to the criminal proceeding nor are/were they Caylee's guardians. Casey was Caylee's mother, not Cindy, but she seems to forget that little detail. Maybe one of the attorneys here will know if I'm right about this. I'm not an attorney, but it seems strange to me.
TIA

:confused:

They do not have standing in the criminal case. They think because they were successful with keeping the suicide note from being published they have standing here. They do not seem to understand that the suicide not was not relevant to the criminal case whereas the autopsy report is. JMO

[Dick Tracy]

do you have any idea how many times we are going to have to sing One Hundred Bottles Of Beer On The Wall to get us down to Orlando??


Once, if Lavinia let's me take the wheel!

[desmom]

Interesting that George and Cindy have NO problem driving the car that smelled of their grandbabys decomposed body, even park it in their garage, which is a part of their house,

but they don't want US to read 30 pages from the Medical Examiners opinion on what happened to Caylee.

Strange family.

Oh and don't forget they "took the battery out of it just in case someone came home to try to get the car we took the battery out of it. Never know."

LE asked "someone being?"

Cindy said, "I don't know anybody. I have no idea. I'm not, I don't wanna speculate on something I don't know but that's our thought was."

Casey "Anybody" Anthony? :lol:


page 22 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/cynthia%20anthony.pdf

[seeing_eye]

You're most welcome! Nancy Grace talked about this when the expert was first added to the list, and I'm trying to remember exactly what some on her show said about it. In part it would have to do with the duct tape, how it was cut, how it matches (what I'm expecting to hear) the tape roll at the house, etc. MOO

I seem to recall that no tape roll was found at the house. Could be wrong, of course.

[Pruddennce]

Pru

I have to say how much I enjoy reading your posts!

Interesting, I was thinking and reading about that blanket this afternoon.

Cindy knows exactly what happened to Caylee, and she just doesn't want the potential jury to hear it.

But we will. :tonguewag:

hi imec_e, and likewise!

I really dont believe Cindy knows EXACTLY....however, I do agree she knew that Caylee was dead when she smelled the car, removed and washed evidence from the car. the stalling with the phone calls, not referencing Caylee as possibly ENDANGERED requiring a welfare check ....

its incredulous.....Ive said it before: what constitutes crucial or an emergency in that home? not a little child, as evidenced by what the anthonys DID NOT DO.

if she made a welfare check call, if it turned out to be a 'domestic misunderstanding', Caylee is fine, no harm done. however, Cindy chose to LIE about her car and money instead of bringing the hammer down immediately in an effort to find out where Caylee was.

Cindy's first lie about her car and money was a clear indication of what she would lie about going forward. it branded her as a liar, and she lived up to that derogatory characterization...WITH NO SHAME.

a normal person would be humiliated. not normal. as evidenced by the first jailhouse call between the two of them.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

[Pruddennce]

I seem to recall that no tape roll was found at the house. Could be wrong, of course.

the gas can was seized because it had a piece of duct tape on it.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/photo/2009-04/46017727.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/orl-photos-casey-anthony-discovery-040609,0,4477109.photogallery%3Findex%3Dorl-orl-casey-discover0220090406171450&usg=__hOxzNNy6tFuavhRQa0k25DdXGpg=&h=333&w=500&sz=61&hl=en&start=2&um=1&tbnid=nN1Uy0vaTiXM6M:&tbnh=87&tbnw=130&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcasey%2Banthony%2Bgas%2Bcan%2Bduct%2B tape%26hl%3Den%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:*%26sa%3DN%26 um%3D1

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[bchand]

Oh and don't forget they "took the battery out of it just in case someone came home to try to get the car we took the battery out of it. Never know."

LE asked "someone being?"

Cindy said, "I don't know anybody. I have no idea. I'm not, I don't wanna speculate on something I don't know but that's our thought was."

Casey "Anybody" Anthony? :lol:


page 22 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/cynthia%20anthony.pdf

She was being her own sly self from day 31 wasn't she?

[sunstar]

the gas can was seized because it had a piece of duct tape on it.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/photo/2009-04/46017727.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/orl-photos-casey-anthony-discovery-040609,0,4477109.photogallery%3Findex%3Dorl-orl-casey-discover0220090406171450&usg=__hOxzNNy6tFuavhRQa0k25DdXGpg=&h=333&w=500&sz=61&hl=en&start=2&um=1&tbnid=nN1Uy0vaTiXM6M:&tbnh=87&tbnw=130&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcasey%2Banthony%2Bgas%2Bcan%2Bduct%2B tape%26hl%3Den%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:*%26sa%3DN%26 um%3D1

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

And wasn't it also a particular logo-imprinted tape that isn't still being sold in stores? MOO

[AnniePie]

Discussion is fine- all the other stuff is just taking up bandwidth and making it harder to read what's going on.:glare:

The point is that there's really nothing going on. Hence we post...

[crimeq]

You are soooo correct. Cindy doesn't want us to see what the Dr. was able to put together from all the other things that were collected from the crime scene.

JMO

Cindy's need for control is so extreme. I bet she will try to postpone the trial, too. Count on her being "sick" the day(s) she needs to testify.

[summer4meplz]

I seem to recall that no tape roll was found at the house. Could be wrong, of course.

didn't they match the duct tape on the gas can to the duct tape on Caylee? or was that a wishful hope on my part?

[frances1]

They do not have standing in the criminal case. They think because they were successful with keeping the suicide note from being published they have standing here. They do not seem to understand that the suicide not was not relevant to the criminal case whereas the autopsy report is. JMO

That's what I thought, Lapis, they have no standing. So why did Judge Strickland stop the autopsy report from being published? Why didn't he just say they have no standing to make such a request?

[enigma™]

And wasn't it also a particular logo-imprinted tape that isn't still being sold in stores? MOO

"Henkel", I believe. It is now imprinted on the inside of the cardboard, not on the tape.

[Pruddennce]

She was being her own sly self from day 31 wasn't she?

no doubt about it. cunning. so she thinks.

CA and her voicemail to Det Allen....now that was priceless.

cindy's thought process: *now let me tell HIM that IF the investigation yields SOMETHING, well that something cant be entirely plausible, because SHE (dumb daughter) would have had help.* implicating a cohort.

which Im hoping somewhere down the road, her accusations bring forth a defamation suit(s) against them.

they are so quick to threaten...DONT TOUCH ME (Cindy during the depo although no one was near her, struggling with invisible hands...the whole body jerking back antic.....)....gawd...

IMO

best regards,
Pru


*waiting on maggot evidence...*

[Pruddennce]

"Henkel", I believe. It is now imprinted on the inside of the cardboard, not on the tape.

closeup, image #2 on the same link:

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/photo/2009-04/46017727.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/orl-photos-casey-anthony-discovery-040609,0,4477109.photogallery%3Findex%3Dorl-orl-casey-discover0220090406171450&usg=__hOxzNNy6tFuavhRQa0k25DdXGpg=&h=333&w=500&sz=61&hl=en&start=2&um=1&tbnid=nN1Uy0vaTiXM6M:&tbnh=87&tbnw=130&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcasey%2Banthony%2Bgas%2Bcan%2Bduct%2B tape%26hl%3Den%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:*%26sa%3DN%26 um%3D1

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[frances1]

no doubt about it. cunning. so she thinks.

CA and her voicemail to Det Allen....now that was priceless.

cindy's thought process: *now let me tell HIM that IF the investigation yields SOMETHING, well that something cant be entirely plausible, because SHE (dumb daughter) would have had help.* implicating a cohort.

which Im hoping somewhere down the road, her accusations bring forth a defamation suit(s) against them.

they are so quick to threaten...DONT TOUCH ME (Cindy during the depo although no one was near her, struggling with invisible hands...the whole body jerking back antic.....)....gawd...

IMO

best regards,
Pru


*waiting on maggot evidence...*

So true, Pru. What a drama queen she is!!! Your observation about her thought process is telling, also. Her mind immediately jumps to sneaky conclusions.

[enigma™]

900 pages. gee thats alot...
The autopsy report is only 20-30 pages per a link somewhere.

[Lavinia]

Once, if Lavinia let's me take the wheel!

:laugh: Lavinia drives like a BOOH! :scared:

The train idea was really good too! We might be able to keep the train on the rails, lol.

[Lapis]

That's what I thought, Lapis, they have no standing. So why did Judge Strickland stop the autopsy report from being published? Why didn't he just say they have no standing to make such a request?

Judges do not make decisions in a vacuum. They take everything under advisement. He is giving the media a chance to respond. If no one objects (as happened with the suicide note) he may grant the request. If someone objects then he will weigh the merits. He may just deny the request on the standing issue or because the public's right to know is greater. He has only stopped it until the motion can be heard. You can't put the genie back in the bottle. If he dismissed it out of hand he could be accused of snap judgment and then if the motion was found to have merit the damage would be done. JMO

[bchand]

no doubt about it. cunning. so she thinks.

CA and her voicemail to Det Allen....now that was priceless.

cindy's thought process: *now let me tell HIM that IF the investigation yields SOMETHING, well that something cant be entirely plausible, because SHE (dumb daughter) would have had help.* implicating a cohort.

which Im hoping somewhere down the road, her accusations bring forth a defamation suit(s) against them.

they are so quick to threaten...DONT TOUCH ME (Cindy during the depo although no one was near her, struggling with invisible hands...the whole body jerking back antic.....)....gawd...

IMO

best regards,
Pru


*waiting on maggot evidence...*

And reading the statement from Sean Krause today - she says she'll have a "big story" for him the next day. Then tells that reporter in the car she'll not get any more exclusives !!!

Just who does she think she is and how did she get that way?

[desmom]

gas can photos 18 & 19 http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/19105250/detail.html

LE reports - page 5 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/3374B%20TO%203463B%20REDO.pdf

On the tape within a black oval was written the word "Henkel". Also written on the tape was "Consumer Adhesives Inc. max temp 200 f Avon Ohio 44011."

[really3997]

I just finished with Joy" I got Beads" Wray. depo..That women has issues, But I love the line where she wouldn't leave her daughter alone with GA cuz she didn't want her to go missing

[enigma™]

closeup, image #2 on the same link:

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/photo/2009-04/46017727.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/orl-photos-casey-anthony-discovery-040609,0,4477109.photogallery%3Findex%3Dorl-orl-casey-discover0220090406171450&usg=__hOxzNNy6tFuavhRQa0k25DdXGpg=&h=333&w=500&sz=61&hl=en&start=2&um=1&tbnid=nN1Uy0vaTiXM6M:&tbnh=87&tbnw=130&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcasey%2Banthony%2Bgas%2Bcan%2Bduct%2B tape%26hl%3Den%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:*%26sa%3DN%26 um%3D1

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

Thank-you, Pru, my CRS is not as bad as I thought it was.

[desmom]

The autopsy report is only 20-30 pages per a link somewhere.


http://www.wesh.com/news/19728108/detail.html

Garavaglia reported in December that the toddler's death was a homicide of unknown origin. However, she added that she included a summary in her 30-page report that draws some conclusions about what happened to Caylee based on tests and other evidence gathered since she made her initial findings.

[frances1]

Judges do not make decisions in a vacuum. They take everything under advisement. He is giving the media a chance to respond. If no one objects (as happened with the suicide note) he may grant the request. If someone objects then he will weigh the merits. He may just deny the request on the standing issue or because the public's right to know is greater. He has only stopped it until the motion can be heard. You can't put the genie back in the bottle. If he dismissed it out of hand he could be accused of snap judgment and then if the motion was found to have merit the damage would be done. JMO

Thanks for your explanation, Lapis. I thought it would be something like that, but I just worry that in the Anthonys' minds, it legitimizes their requests, and sets a precedent. Then, if they are told they have no standing, they will be furious!

[nana6]

:laugh: Lavinia drives like a BOOH! :scared:

The train idea was really good too! We might be able to keep the train on the rails, lol.

Lavinia, We took the train to New York with our daughter's in laws whom we travel a good deal with. It was a blast!!!! Of course we took Continental home, but 12 hours on the train and our own rooms -it was great. I think we should go with it!!!

[Jester]

Any new injuries could be explained away as the "real killer" inflicted them, but what they wouldn't want out is any sign of past or continuing trauma which could not be explained unless of course it was that Zanny the Nanny did it ~ again :angry:

Interesting thought. Casey has been described by her family as such a good mother ... but has she been cruel to Caylee throughout? Does the autopsy report indicate broken bones that were not seen or treated by a doctor? Was Cindy acting as Caylee's nurse/doctor?

I haven't caught up for days ... what are the theories about why the family doesn't want the report released?

[nana6]

Thanks for your explanation, Lapis. I thought it would be something like that, but I just worry that in the Anthonys' minds, it legitimizes their requests, and sets a precedent. Then, if they are told they have no standing, they will be furious!

Ho frances, Well I say let them be furious. Who cares? They are NOT going to run this show contrary to C's beliefs. imo

[enigma™]

I recall much talk about the "Henkel" tape, and have often wondered if the tape that has the logo on the tape surface was particular to Ohio. In other words, "Henkel" is a product of Ohio, and perhaps they only sold the logo-stamped rolls in that state. The Anthony's hail from Ohio. Is it possible the Anthony family brought that roll down south with them? Stranger things have happened.

[sunstar]

"Henkel", I believe. It is now imprinted on the inside of the cardboard, not on the tape.

You're right. I think they said they changed where the imprint is after 2007. MOO

[nana6]

I recall much talk about the "Henkel" tape, and have often wondered if the tape that has the logo on the tape surface was particular to Ohio. In other words, "Henkel" is a product of Ohio, and perhaps they only sold the logo-stamped rolls in that state. The Anthony's hail from Ohio. Is it possible the Anthony family brought that roll down south with them? Stranger things have happened.

you bet Enigma. We talked about just this thought awhile back.

[Ckrdpast]

I just finished with Joy" I got Beads" Wray. depo..That women has issues, But I love the line where she wouldn't leave her daughter alone with GA cuz she didn't want her to go missing


did you see where she admitted that she was baker acted 5 times?

[FoxySly]

her version of the truth, which differs from Zanny at Sawgrass and Zanny at the park....

she already implicated herself as a 'witness' to the abduction in her second version. I see Casey taking that story one step further. well, more than one.

I dont believe in coincidences in this particular case. one of his attorneys visited her on the evening of the 10th of Dec and didnt leave until 4:30am on the 11th. Caylee was discovered hours later.

coincidence? I dont believe so. I believe Kronk is hiding something. the PI's are involved. I believe there is a mile long connection between all of these players, and the Anthonys were informed every step of the way.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

Hi ya Pru!

I remember you stating what I have bolded from the very start, I wasn't sure what to think but I'm getting more & more convinced you could be right.

Sly

~

[enigma™]

http://www.wesh.com/news/19728108/detail.html

Garavaglia reported in December that the toddler's death was a homicide of unknown origin. However, she added that she included a summary in her 30-page report that draws some conclusions about what happened to Caylee based on tests and other evidence gathered since she made her initial findings.


Thank-you, desmom, you are the best with the links for back-up. I also appreciate your "one year ago" openers for the threads. Just think, this time next year, threads will open something like this:
"one year ago today, Casey Anthony bought pork rinds from the commissary". Jose Baez stopped his midnight visitation, Amy had nothing to say, Cindy wore a green shirt with a shamrock pin, and George was still looking for his manhood. This could be repeated daily and be true.

[nana6]

see ya'll tomorrow. Sleep well. I am going to go to bed now and dream of our ride on the train!!!:sleep:

[crimeq]

do you have any idea how many times we are going to have to sing One Hundred Bottles Of Beer On The Wall to get us down to Orlando??

do you know how many bottles of beer we'll have to drink? :laugh:

"To Casey--hit the bars!" lol

[sunstar]

Interesting thought. Casey has been described by her family as such a good mother ... but has she been cruel to Caylee throughout? Does the autopsy report indicate broken bones that were not seen or treated by a doctor? Was Cindy acting as Caylee's nurse/doctor?

I haven't caught up for days ... what are the theories about why the family doesn't want the report released?

I was just following the thoughts of an expert on Nancy's show. What I can't understand is how are the A's so certain the report contains information that will case great anguish unless they've read it, or there's something in it that will definitely link right back to Casey and nobody else? The defense is saying somebody else killed Caylee so anything in the report about her murder could be explained as the killer did it. But something before her murder, maybe not? Or is it just the speculation of the ME (her opinions) in the report that are so damaging to the defense? I believe the only "great anguish" the A's are fearing is the public reaction to something in that report. :shrug: MOO

[really3997]

did you see where she admitted that she was baker acted 5 times?

Yes I did :chicken::chicken:

[Dovey]

I only read repeats and wondered if anyone could tell me what new doc were dumped today. I saw G & C civil depo's and Krause what else is important to read?

[kanzz]

I recall much talk about the "Henkel" tape, and have often wondered if the tape that has the logo on the tape surface was particular to Ohio. In other words, "Henkel" is a product of Ohio, and perhaps they only sold the logo-stamped rolls in that state. The Anthony's hail from Ohio. Is it possible the Anthony family brought that roll down south with them? Stranger things have happened.


Ohhhhh, enigma! I will keep my fingers crossed that you are right about this!

[sunstar]

I recall much talk about the "Henkel" tape, and have often wondered if the tape that has the logo on the tape surface was particular to Ohio. In other words, "Henkel" is a product of Ohio, and perhaps they only sold the logo-stamped rolls in that state. The Anthony's hail from Ohio. Is it possible the Anthony family brought that roll down south with them? Stranger things have happened.

Didn't they move to FL in 1989, or somewhere around there? I guess it's possible they'd still have tape from Ohio! :smile: MOO

[Chardonnay]

Will someone please refresh my memory as to why KC is in protective custody in "jail" ? I'm watching County Jail Miami Dade,(as a poster said earlier that it's on) and they are showing thieves and murderers in the same holding cells. Why is the OC getting special treatment being housed alone? :cursing:

[bchand]

I only read repeats and wondered if anyone could tell me what new doc were dumped today. I saw G & C civil depo's and Krause what else is important to read?

Michelle Murphy's statement was interesting. It starts on page 53.


eta: Page 53 of this, lol

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0612/19734812.pdf

[kanzz]

Didn't they move to FL in 1989, or somewhere around there? I guess it's possible they'd still have tape from Ohio! :smile: MOO

I wouldn't rule it out. I know I still have some misc odd-ball stuff from 1991.
:blushing:

[crimeq]

Didn't they move to FL in 1989, or somewhere around there? I guess it's possible they'd still have tape from Ohio! :smile: MOO

I moved out of a house after living there for 18 years. I could have had 18-yo duct tape very easily, and probably did!

[Pruddennce]

I recall much talk about the "Henkel" tape, and have often wondered if the tape that has the logo on the tape surface was particular to Ohio. In other words, "Henkel" is a product of Ohio, and perhaps they only sold the logo-stamped rolls in that state. The Anthony's hail from Ohio. Is it possible the Anthony family brought that roll down south with them? Stranger things have happened.

yes I remember numerous discussions about that and dont recall if it could be substantiated.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

[enigma™]

Didn't they move to FL in 1989, or somewhere around there? I guess it's possible they'd still have tape from Ohio! :smile: MOO


Lose a roll, buy a roll, find a roll, anything is possible once you make a major move like that.

[sunstar]

I wouldn't rule it out. I know I still have some misc odd-ball stuff from 1991.
:blushing:

I'd imagine the tape wrapped around Caylee's skull would be too degraded to tell how old it is, but the one on the gas can I think would show some discoloration or "age". I agree, wouldn't it be something if the tape were unique to Ohio!! :scared:

[Pruddennce]

Will someone please refresh my memory as to why KC is in protective custody in "jail" ? I'm watching County Jail Miami Dade,(as a poster said earlier that it's on) and they are showing thieves and murderers in the same holding cells. Why is the OC getting special treatment being housed alone? :cursing:

accused baby killer=high profile given the circumstances of Caylee was never reported missing. they dont want someone to jump her, they want her to stand trial.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[sunstar]

I moved out of a house after living there for 18 years. I could have had 18-yo duct tape very easily, and probably did!

Oh I know what you mean ~ there's stuff in our house we've probably completely forgotten about. I was thinking it would look older than new tape, maybe? I know that a roll of masking tape "changes" over time, even in a garage. MOO

[Dovey]

I recall much talk about the "Henkel" tape, and have often wondered if the tape that has the logo on the tape surface was particular to Ohio. In other words, "Henkel" is a product of Ohio, and perhaps they only sold the logo-stamped rolls in that state. The Anthony's hail from Ohio. Is it possible the Anthony family brought that roll down south with them? Stranger things have happened.

I don't think so as I live in Ohio and my DD lives in Avon Ohio where the Henkel (Duck tape factory) makes the tape. The Duck Tape Festival is coming up on fathers days and maybe I could find someone to ask questions about his. I do believe a new owner took over so if you have any idea's to inquire about I'd be happy to look into it.

[Chardonnay]

accused baby killer=high profile given the circumstances of Caylee was never reported missing. they dont want someone to jump her, they want her to stand trial.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

Ok, that makes sense.. Thanks Pru, for your respected comments.

[Curlyjo]

Looks like she is a busy lady.


Detailed Information for Case 592008CF002535A

Case Number: 592008CF002535A Judge: EATON, JR., O. H.
Defendant Name: JOY WRAY
DOB: 06/1979

0 DRIVING WITHOUT HEADLIGHTS
0 RESIST OFFICER FLEE/ELUDE W/ACTIVE SIREN
1 FLEEING OR ATTEMPTING TO ELUDE A POLICE OFFICER
2 RECKLESS DRIVING

08/12/2008 FREE MENTAL HEALTH DIVERSION/PRETRIAL RELEASE
08/12/2008 DNP DEFENDANT WAS NOT PRESENT FOR ARRAIGNMENT
08/12/2008 MNFD STATE ATTORNEY S. PIERCE/L. GUTTENTAG WAS PRESENT FOR ARRAIGNMENT
08/12/2008 MNFD PD MAC-HOWARD/ ANDERSON WAS PRESENT FOR ARRAIGNMENT
08/12/2008 MNFD MENTAL HEALTH DIVERSION AGREEMENT FILED IN THE COURT FILE, REMOVE FROM THE
08/12/2008 MNFD --DOCKET.
08/12/2008 MNFD DEFENDANT RELEASED AS TO THIS CAUSE
08/12/2008 MNFD (0)DRIVING WITHOUT HEADLIGHTS 316.217 I-: COURT DISMISSED CHARGE.
08/08/2008 LOPE SEALED ENVELOPE LETTER FROM SEMINOLE COMMUNITY MENTAL HEALTH CENTER
07/01/2008 PRES DEFENDANT WAS PRESENT FOR ARRAIGNMENT
07/01/2008 MNFD STATE ATTORNEY S. PIERCE/L. GUTTENTAG WAS PRESENT FOR ARRAIGNMENT
07/01/2008 MNFD PD MAC-HOWARD/ANDERSON WAS PRESENT FOR ARRAIGNMENT
07/01/2008 ARSC ARRAIGNMENT CONTINUED TO 08/12/2008 AT 0130PM IN COURTROOM 1A, AT CRIMINAL
07/01/2008 ARSC --JUSTICE BUILDING BEFORE JUDGE O. H. EATON JR MANDATORY COURT APPEARANCE.
07/01/2008 MNFD MENTAL HEALTH DIVERSION CANDIDATE.
07/01/2008 MNFD ALL CHARGES: DEFENDANT CONTINUED ON BOND
07/01/2008 MNFD COURT GRANTED DEFENSE MOTION TO CONTINUE
06/10/2008 ACKA ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF APPOINTMENT
06/03/2008 AIAP AFFIDAVIT OF INDIGENCY/APPROVED MO 06/04/2008 FEE - AMT: $40.00
06/03/2008 PDPD ASSIGN ATTORNEY - NAME: PUBLIC DEFENDER
06/03/2008 PRES DEFENDANT WAS PRESENT FOR ARRAIGNMENT
06/03/2008 MNFD STATE ATTORNEY S. PIERCE/L. GUTTENTAG WAS PRESENT FOR ARRAIGNMENT
06/03/2008 MNFD PD MAC-HOWARD/ANDERSON WAS PRESENT FOR ARRAIGNMENT
06/03/2008 ARSC ARRAIGNMENT CONTINUED TO 07/01/2008 AT 0130PM IN COURTROOM 1A, AT CRIMINAL
06/03/2008 ARSC --JUSTICE BUILDING BEFORE JUDGE O. H. EATON JR MANDATORY COURT APPEARANCE.
06/03/2008 MNFD COURT FOUND INDIGENT AND APPOINTED PUBLIC DEFENDER
06/03/2008 MNFD ALL CHARGES: DEFENDANT CONTINUED ON BOND
06/03/2008 MNFD COURT GRANTED DEFENSE MOTION TO CONTINUE
05/29/2008 IFFD INFORMATION FILED - DATE: 05/29/2008
05/15/2008 SYS NOTICE FOR ARRAIGNMENT JUN 03, 2008 AT 01:30 PM PRINTED
05/15/2008 ATFD ARREST REPORT - DATE: 03/26/2008
05/15/2008 BDBD SET BONDSMAN - AMT: $0.00 - STATUS: NOB
05/15/2008 ARSC ARRAIGNMENT SET [M] - DATE: 06/03/2008 - TIME: 0130PM - CTRM: 1A
05/15/2008 CTAT CITATION(S) 3



http://seminoleclerk.org/CriminalDocket/case_detail_5.jsp?CaseNo=592008CF002535A

Just curious ... how sure are you that this is the same person? Do you have a date of birth or something? It could be another person with the same name.

[nana6]

Will someone please refresh my memory as to why KC is in protective custody in "jail" ? I'm watching County Jail Miami Dade,(as a poster said earlier that it's on) and they are showing thieves and murderers in the same holding cells. Why is the OC getting special treatment being housed alone? :cursing:

I imagine it is because the LE feel that Big Bertha and Henrietta Honeybuns would get ahold of her and never let go. They do not likey child killers ya know.

[Jester]

I was just following the thoughts of an expert on Nancy's show. What I can't understand is how are the A's so certain the report contains information that will case great anguish unless they've read it, or there's something in it that will definitely link right back to Casey and nobody else? The defense is saying somebody else killed Caylee so anything in the report about her murder could be explained as the killer did it. But something before her murder, maybe not? Or is it just the speculation of the ME (her opinions) in the report that are so damaging to the defense? I believe the only "great anguish" the A's are fearing is the public reaction to something in that report. :shrug: MOO

Thanks for responding ... I want to read all about it, but it's Friday, long week, and I couldn't even successfully order a burger on the way home (language barrier, communication error ... something went wrong), listening to NG right now - waiting for the update. Could the autopsy report have identified drugs in Caylee's remains? Caffeine was found in Laci's remains. I think so too ... there must be something in the report the either suggests drugs, broken bones, or other type of abuse, maybe postmortem tampering?

I wonder if Casey visited the site during the month that no one knew Caylee was missing.

[enigma™]

I don't think so as I live in Ohio and my DD lives in Avon Ohio where the Henkel (Duck tape factory) makes the tape. The Duck Tape Festival is coming up on fathers days and maybe I could find someone to ask questions about his. I do believe a new owner took over so if you have any idea's to inquire about I'd be happy to look into it.

Thanks, Dovey, it was just speculation on my part. If you can inquire, ask how they take those duct tape prom dresses off with out removing flesh. :tonguewag:

j/k, I am sure someone will come up with a valid question for you to pose.

[101Spots]

Just curious ... how sure are you that this is the same person? Do you have a date of birth or something? It could be another person with the same name.

References are made to these charges at the end of her deposition.

[Dovey]

I'll be in Avon, Ohio tomorrow but being it's Saturday I don't think stopping in will get me any answers at "Henkel" Duck tape but they may have some at the Duck tape festival on Father's day which I hope to attend. I will try to get answers to the questions I've seen posted if I can attend the Duck festival in Avon Ohio on fathers day.

[seeing_eye]

the gas can was seized because it had a piece of duct tape on it.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/photo/2009-04/46017727.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/orl-photos-casey-anthony-discovery-040609,0,4477109.photogallery%3Findex%3Dorl-orl-casey-discover0220090406171450&usg=__hOxzNNy6tFuavhRQa0k25DdXGpg=&h=333&w=500&sz=61&hl=en&start=2&um=1&tbnid=nN1Uy0vaTiXM6M:&tbnh=87&tbnw=130&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcasey%2Banthony%2Bgas%2Bcan%2Bduct%2B tape%26hl%3Den%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:*%26sa%3DN%26 um%3D1

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

Yes, and I think that the tape on the skull was the same type as that on the gas cans, but no matching roll of tape was found in the Anthony home. At least, that's my memory of it.

[Pruddennce]

Ok, that makes sense.. Thanks Pru, for your respected comments.

just an opinion Char, but I think there are numerous reasons as some posters have pointed out.....:)

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[sunstar]

Thanks for responding ... I want to read all about it, but it's Friday, long week, and I couldn't even successfully order a burger on the way home (language barrier, communication error ... something went wrong), listening to NG right now - waiting for the update. Could the autopsy report have identified drugs in Caylee's remains? Caffeine was found in Laci's remains. I think so too ... there must be something in the report the either suggests drugs, broken bones, or other type of abuse, maybe postmortem tampering?

I wonder if Casey visited the site during the month that no one knew Caylee was missing.

I haven't read up on anything that was released today either ~ long week at work for me too! I just watched Nancy's show and read through some posts here. I also think it's possible that something came up in the toxicology report, or maybe evidence of repeated drugging? Now that couldn't be explained by the SODDI murder theory. I still think it's something that would've occurred over time that ties specifically to Casey or family. :scared: MOO

[Sandy001]

Last court appearance, she did not look like she was doing sit-ups and jumping jacks. This must be a new development.
Maybe she saw herself on TV and decided she needs to lose a lot of weight.

[sunstar]

I imagine it is because the LE feel that Big Bertha and Henrietta Honeybuns would get ahold of her and never let go. They do not likey child killers ya know.

I thought that was the reason too. Not suicide watch, but protective custody because she's an alleged baby killer. MOO

[Dovey]

Thanks, Dovey, it was just speculation on my part. If you can inquire, ask how they take those duct tape prom dresses off with out removing flesh. :tonguewag:

j/k, I am sure someone will come up with a valid question for you to pose.

If I get there to the Duck tape parade in Avon on father's day, I'll try to get someone in charge to explain about the name on some rolls and not on other rolls...If anyone has question please send them my way. I 'm not sure I will attend but I'm pretty sure I'll be at the Avon Duck parade on Father's day because I think my GS's will be in the parade.

And we do need answers to questions.

[Jester]

... indicating a history of abuse? Interesting. Fractures would be a serious problem for Casey.

[Sandy001]

http://www.wftv.com/video/19738543/index.html

Legal Analyst Bill Shaeffer on Motion to Block Autopsy Release. Calls it a waste of time. I agree with him. This motion will cave when it goes to a hearing. Conway is blowing xmoke and people are buying it. Even the TH are claiming that the Anthonys have won a victory.....I hope they enjoy it, because imo it's not going to last long. The media has good legal representation.

[enigma™]

Pardon me, but this is totally O/T: Congratulations to the Pittsburgh Penguins for winning the Stanley Cup Playoffs.

[Jester]

Is Casey really misbehaving in prison ... shouting out and demanding attention? The poor girl ... I doubt many would care if she went completely mad in jail.

Everyone would think she was lying ...

[summer4meplz]

... indicating a history of abuse? Interesting. Fractures would be a serious problem for Casey.

I would think cindy and george would share that problem....but...probably not....:cursing:

[Dovey]

Thanks, Dovey, it was just speculation on my part. If you can inquire, ask how they take those duct tape prom dresses off with out removing flesh. :tonguewag:

j/k, I am sure someone will come up with a valid question for you to pose.

In the past the Avon Duck tape festivals I've been to, they have a booth of elaborate dresses made out of duck tape...flapper dresses from the 1920's come to mind. The town of Avon in Ohio makes all their floats out of duct tape, all colors for the parade on Father's Day. Last year my GS's cub scouts made a dragon float and it was awesome. My DD was in the parade with the Avon Jr Women's and they made a float also. It is quite an event in the small town of Avon, Ohio.

[sunstar]

I remember Susan Smith with a big black eye on the cover of the Enquirer! Justice....

Oh yes! :wink: MOO

[Chardonnay]

I thought that was the reason too. Not suicide watch, but protective custody because she's an alleged baby killer. MOO

Ok, here's probably another one of my dumb questions, but how does an inmate know what another inmate is in for? For instance, how did someone know KC was arrested for murder? I'm sure she didn't blab to anyone what she's in for, since she's in protective custody. How does word get around? I know inmates watch TV, but how do they know she's in there? tia for being patient with me. :confused:

[Dovey]

They do not have standing in the criminal case. They think because they were successful with keeping the suicide note from being published they have standing here. They do not seem to understand that the suicide not was not relevant to the criminal case whereas the autopsy report is. JMO

TY Lapis that sounds about right

and may your kitty meet mine across the rainbow, and I though yours was a Simease (sp) ? May your kitty meet my precious 2 across the rainbow.

[Dick Tracy]

I agree with him. This motion will cave when it goes to a hearing. Conway is blowing xmoke and people are buying it. Even the TH are claiming that the Anthonys have won a victory.....I hope they enjoy it, because imo it's not going to last long. The media has good legal representation.

HIya Sandy!

You're right about him blowing smoke. But people aren't buying it. BC is just doing this - read "a waste of time". They're simply delaying the inevitable. The Anthony's don't have the stomach for the public's reaction to what Dr. G strong opinion is going to say. Dr. G. is respected in her field. Her strong opinion won't change anything, but it will be further intrepreted by the entire galaxy of folks that are interested in this case and want justice for Caylee. It indirectly implicates only one person to the disposal of the body. As if that's an "aha" to anyone.

[sunstar]

Ok, here's probably another one of my dumb questions, but how does an inmate know what another inmate is in for? For instance, how did someone know KC was arrested for murder? I'm sure she didn't blab to anyone what she's in for, since she's in protective custody. How does word get around? I know inmates watch TV, but how do they know she's in there? tia for being patient with me. :confused:

Well, I'm no expert :smile: but she's in county jail where other inmates might be awaiting trial for murder, or serving time for drunk driving, or drugs, or whatnot, but some would be arrested after she was, or they watch tv and know she's there. If she were allowed to mingle with the rest of them, she'd be fair game. MOO

[Jester]

I would think cindy and george would share that problem....but...probably not....:cursing:

The grandparents said Casey was a good mother. Cindy is a nurse. She should have noticed if Caylee had injuries, and she would have had a duty to report it - or at least have Caylee seen by a doctor. Whether she caused injuries, or Casey caused injuries, there would be a medical history. I seem to recall Cindy saying that Caylee didn't have a doctor because she didn't get sick.

... not saying that this is the reason behind the autopsy report hold-up, just speculating.

[Jester]

Did you not look at this..........

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/casey_anthony_psychotic_nightmares/crime/63493

No, I hadn't seen that. I was chuckling throughout.

That's great news.

[really3997]

Michelle Murphy's statement was interesting. It starts on page 53.


eta: Page 53 of this, lol

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0612/19734812.pdf

The only thing that I got out of this is that LEE is not a kid person. Now I really am glad to hear that...

[101Spots]

Ok, here's probably another one of my dumb questions, but how does an inmate know what another inmate is in for? For instance, how did someone know KC was arrested for murder? I'm sure she didn't blab to anyone what she's in for, since she's in protective custody. How does word get around? I know inmates watch TV, but how do they know she's in there? tia for being patient with me. :confused:

Just as "What school do you go to?" is a typical conversation-opener for teens/college students and "What's your sign?" is asked to open in a bar, "What are you in for?" is often the opening line for any inmate meeting another. That, plus the "open" living arrangements, word gets around.

[sammy62]

I thought that was the reason too. Not suicide watch, but protective custody because she's an alleged baby killer. MOO

the key word is "alleged". As much as we all know she is guilty. She is still presumed innocent and has the right to be protected. What if cindy really did it.

[Pruddennce]

Thanks for responding ... I want to read all about it, but it's Friday, long week, and I couldn't even successfully order a burger on the way home (language barrier, communication error ... something went wrong), listening to NG right now - waiting for the update. Could the autopsy report have identified drugs in Caylee's remains? Caffeine was found in Laci's remains. I think so too ... there must be something in the report the either suggests drugs, broken bones, or other type of abuse, maybe postmortem tampering?

I wonder if Casey visited the site during the month that no one knew Caylee was missing.

I think she went back at least once..checking out how well she hid her....the day she called Tony to pick her up because she ran out of gas....probably because she left her there in the dark and was checking out how far back she was, checking for visibility.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[djmsmom]

Pardon me, but this is totally O/T: Congratulations to the Pittsburgh Penguins for winning the Stanley Cup Playoffs.
yay :thumbsup:

[bchand]

I had posted this earlier, right when the board started going bonkers.

http://www.examiner.com/x-12837-US-Headlines-Examiner~y2009m6d12-Mommys-Little-Girl-Casey-Anthony-book-for-sale-soon


for any that may have missed it, I'm re-posting.


Well I like this description of it:

There are pages in the book and it was published by St Martins Pr

I would hope there are pages in the book.

[really3997]

I had posted this earlier, right when the board started going bonkers.

http://www.examiner.com/x-12837-US-Headlines-Examiner~y2009m6d12-Mommys-Little-Girl-Casey-Anthony-book-for-sale-soon


for any that may have missed it, I'm re-posting.

I was just going to comment on this. Are we sure Cindy is not involved in this book JMO

[Jester]

I think she went back at least once..checking out how well she hid her....the day she called Tony to pick her up because she ran out of gas....probably because she left her there in the dark and was checking out how far back she was, checking for visibility.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

That's interesting. She left the car running and ran out of gas? How far was the empty tank car from the body location?

Or was she getting Tony to drive her past where she left Caylee to see if she could see anything from the road?

[bchand]

I think she went back at least once..checking out how well she hid her....the day she called Tony to pick her up because she ran out of gas....probably because she left her there in the dark and was checking out how far back she was, checking for visibility.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

I am really looking forward to seeing her face as Tony testifies.

[Dovey]

Looks like she is a busy lady.


Detailed Information for Case 592008CF002535A

Case Number: 592008CF002535A Judge: EATON, JR., O. H.
Defendant Name: JOY WRAY
DOB: 06/1979

0 DRIVING WITHOUT HEADLIGHTS
0 RESIST OFFICER FLEE/ELUDE W/ACTIVE SIREN
1 FLEEING OR ATTEMPTING TO ELUDE A POLICE OFFICER
2 RECKLESS DRIVING

08/12/2008 FREE MENTAL HEALTH DIVERSION/PRETRIAL RELEASE
08/12/2008 DNP DEFENDANT WAS NOT PRESENT FOR ARRAIGNMENT
08/12/2008 MNFD STATE ATTORNEY S. PIERCE/L. GUTTENTAG WAS PRESENT FOR ARRAIGNMENT
08/12/2008 MNFD PD MAC-HOWARD/ ANDERSON WAS PRESENT FOR ARRAIGNMENT
08/12/2008 MNFD MENTAL HEALTH DIVERSION AGREEMENT FILED IN THE COURT FILE, REMOVE FROM THE
08/12/2008 MNFD --DOCKET.
08/12/2008 MNFD DEFENDANT RELEASED AS TO THIS CAUSE
08/12/2008 MNFD (0)DRIVING WITHOUT HEADLIGHTS 316.217 I-: COURT DISMISSED CHARGE.
08/08/2008 LOPE SEALED ENVELOPE LETTER FROM SEMINOLE COMMUNITY MENTAL HEALTH CENTER
07/01/2008 PRES DEFENDANT WAS PRESENT FOR ARRAIGNMENT
07/01/2008 MNFD STATE ATTORNEY S. PIERCE/L. GUTTENTAG WAS PRESENT FOR ARRAIGNMENT
07/01/2008 MNFD PD MAC-HOWARD/ANDERSON WAS PRESENT FOR ARRAIGNMENT
07/01/2008 ARSC ARRAIGNMENT CONTINUED TO 08/12/2008 AT 0130PM IN COURTROOM 1A, AT CRIMINAL
07/01/2008 ARSC --JUSTICE BUILDING BEFORE JUDGE O. H. EATON JR MANDATORY COURT APPEARANCE.
07/01/2008 MNFD MENTAL HEALTH DIVERSION CANDIDATE.
07/01/2008 MNFD ALL CHARGES: DEFENDANT CONTINUED ON BOND
07/01/2008 MNFD COURT GRANTED DEFENSE MOTION TO CONTINUE
06/10/2008 ACKA ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF APPOINTMENT
06/03/2008 AIAP AFFIDAVIT OF INDIGENCY/APPROVED MO 06/04/2008 FEE - AMT: $40.00
06/03/2008 PDPD ASSIGN ATTORNEY - NAME: PUBLIC DEFENDER
06/03/2008 PRES DEFENDANT WAS PRESENT FOR ARRAIGNMENT
06/03/2008 MNFD STATE ATTORNEY S. PIERCE/L. GUTTENTAG WAS PRESENT FOR ARRAIGNMENT
06/03/2008 MNFD PD MAC-HOWARD/ANDERSON WAS PRESENT FOR ARRAIGNMENT
06/03/2008 ARSC ARRAIGNMENT CONTINUED TO 07/01/2008 AT 0130PM IN COURTROOM 1A, AT CRIMINAL
06/03/2008 ARSC --JUSTICE BUILDING BEFORE JUDGE O. H. EATON JR MANDATORY COURT APPEARANCE.
06/03/2008 MNFD COURT FOUND INDIGENT AND APPOINTED PUBLIC DEFENDER
06/03/2008 MNFD ALL CHARGES: DEFENDANT CONTINUED ON BOND
06/03/2008 MNFD COURT GRANTED DEFENSE MOTION TO CONTINUE
05/29/2008 IFFD INFORMATION FILED - DATE: 05/29/2008
05/15/2008 SYS NOTICE FOR ARRAIGNMENT JUN 03, 2008 AT 01:30 PM PRINTED
05/15/2008 ATFD ARREST REPORT - DATE: 03/26/2008
05/15/2008 BDBD SET BONDSMAN - AMT: $0.00 - STATUS: NOB
05/15/2008 ARSC ARRAIGNMENT SET [M] - DATE: 06/03/2008 - TIME: 0130PM - CTRM: 1A
05/15/2008 CTAT CITATION(S) 3



http://seminoleclerk.org/CriminalDocket/case_detail_5.jsp?CaseNo=592008CF002535A

Was it not stated that she was Baker Acted at least 5 times?

Looney Tunes
JMO

[101Spots]

I had posted this earlier, right when the board started going bonkers.

http://www.examiner.com/x-12837-US-Headlines-Examiner~y2009m6d12-Mommys-Little-Girl-Casey-Anthony-book-for-sale-soon


for any that may have missed it, I'm re-posting.

I see the comments are uniformly unflattering.*


*I'm behaving myself.

[norwood]

Well, the doc dump really nothing much in it. Interviews are not depos and the depos that were put out today we already had read or seen that info.

BC (on JB's behalf I am sure) filing the motion to seal the autopsy report is nothing but delaying it being released. This is not a civil case nor a family court case and the grandparents do not have standing in the case. Maybe Florida is different but I think Katprint or Lapis will agree with me on this.

I know in Texas the grandparents can intercede into a family court case such as child custody and in some instances involving a child a civil case. Not in a criminal case though. The court is who would hold the best interest of the child and would appoint an attorney to represent the child. In this instance the district attorney's office will hold for the interest of Caylee.

[sunstar]

The grandparents said Casey was a good mother. Cindy is a nurse. She should have noticed if Caylee had injuries, and she would have had a duty to report it - or at least have Caylee seen by a doctor. Whether she caused injuries, or Casey caused injuries, there would be a medical history. I seem to recall Cindy saying that Caylee didn't have a doctor because she didn't get sick.

... not saying that this is the reason behind the autopsy report hold-up, just speculating.

I wonder if her hair tested positive for repeated drug use, like sedatives? :shrug: MOO

[Pruddennce]

The grandparents said Casey was a good mother. Cindy is a nurse. She should have noticed if Caylee had injuries, and she would have had a duty to report it - or at least have Caylee seen by a doctor. Whether she caused injuries, or Casey caused injuries, there would be a medical history. I seem to recall Cindy saying that Caylee didn't have a doctor because she didn't get sick.

... not saying that this is the reason behind the autopsy report hold-up, just speculating.

Cindy would never report an injury if her daughter was somehow involved....if she didnt need critical medical assistance, she took care of it...IMO

..... she smelled DECOMP and didnt report it.
..... her daughter stole from her mother and she didnt compel her mother to press charges
..... she knew Casey stole a ton of money from Amy, she finds the cash and pockets it instead of thinking of the victim, Amy *oh Ill give this back to her, ITS PROBABLY HER's*...Cindy says *ITS PROBABLY MINE*, is what she told LE

nothing is considered important in that home except covering up....Cindy is a nurse and didnt see that her daughter was pregnant?

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence......*

[Jester]

ITA
She should have those dreams the remainder of her life.


JMO

Maybe one day we'll read about how she's hovering or cowering with her legal books in a corner half the time, and otherwise twitching and jumping wildly in her plexiglass walled cell.

[Dovey]

I had posted this earlier, right when the board started going bonkers.

http://www.examiner.com/x-12837-US-Headlines-Examiner~y2009m6d12-Mommys-Little-Girl-Casey-Anthony-book-for-sale-soon


for any that may have missed it, I'm re-posting.

Is this where the defense $$ are coming from, just my thought, IMO.

[101Spots]

Is this where the defense $$ are coming from, just my thought, IMO.

There is a comment from the author, answering such an accusation. She claims none of the Anthonys will benefit from the book.

[Pruddennce]

That's interesting. She left the car running and ran out of gas? How far was the empty tank car from the body location?

left the car running? I dont understand :D

IIRC she was in her neighborhood development. Tony rode with LE to locate the area, but I dont know the exact location but she could walk home.

of course she wasnt going to draw attention to herself, walking with gas cans back to her car. but she did begin to walk home and tony picked her up in her development.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[crimeq]

Is this where the defense $$ are coming from, just my thought, IMO.

It will be interesting to see what "real truth" comes out in this book. If it's pro-Anthony, we'll know Cindy is behind it and profitting in some way.

I don't want to buy it, but I do want to read it--don't want any of my money possibly going to support Cindy. Or at least read a good book review of it :-) by someone on this board -- so how can we get a free copy?

[really3997]

There is a comment from the author, answering such an accusation. She claims none of the Anthonys will benefit from the book.

And where is she getting her information from. Public record...Might I add how does she know the story if it hasn't been finished JMO

[bchand]

And words. There have to be words or else it is a photo album.

JMO

lol right.

I'd love to see Kathi Belich write a book about this case. That I'd buy.

[crimeq]

And words. There have to be words or else it is a photo album.

JMO

If there are photos :-) then it is a photo album.

Maybe this is just a blank book :-) no words, no pictures.

An "invisibook".

[crimeq]

lol right.

I'd love to see Kathi Belich write a book about this case. That I'd buy.

If I had the money, I would commission KathiB to write a book about this case!

[Dovey]

Cindy would never report an injury if her daughter was somehow involved....if she didnt need critical medical assistance, she took care of it...IMO

..... she smelled DECOMP and didnt report it.
..... her daughter stole from her mother and she didnt compel her mother to press charges
..... she knew Casey stole a ton of money from Amy, she finds the cash and pockets it instead of thinking of the victim, Amy *oh Ill give this back to her, ITS PROBABLY HER's*...Cindy says *ITS PROBABLY MINE*, is what she told LE

nothing is considered important in that home except covering up....Cindy is a nurse and didnt see that her daughter was pregnant?

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence......*

Exactly Cindy taking the money and saying it's probably her's anyhow,., not it wasn't.

Casey had just cashed a check of Amy's. Then did not LE take something in the same wallet from Casey's purse and we have not heard of this in any doc dump. What was taken??? Was it an ID with the name Zenida Gonzalaz? That Casey had in her purse, wallet? Where is that in the documents and Sunshine laws?
What did the female LE take from Casey's purse/wallet?

WE know Cindy took the money and LE took a card or something like that.
Where is the sunshine laws and have you seen any mention of what this female officer took from Casey's purse/wallet?

[101Spots]

And where is she getting her information from. Public record...Might I add how does she know the story if it hasn't been finished JMO

ITA. You can read these boards (and many others) and learn more than this book of pages. Rehash of articles and videos we've already seen. Not for 7 of *my* dollars.

[KittyMom]

I was hoping the doc dump would contain info on those maggots and the contents of all those vacuum cleaners that were taken.

[really3997]

I have no idea but it is mt understanding that she is a respected author.

I've not read her books but I have seen where people trust her writings.


JMO

Well she won't be respected for long. People with half a brain know not to insert themselves in this case it is never a good outcome, so she can't be that respected as far as I am concerned JMO

[101Spots]

I was hoping the doc dump would contain info on those maggots and the contents of all those vacuum cleaners that were taken.

And I was hoping to wake up this morning and find myself young, beautiful, and rich. We both lose.

<sigh>

[Pruddennce]

Well, the doc dump really nothing much in it. Interviews are not depos and the depos that were put out today we already had read or seen that info.

BC (on JB's behalf I am sure) filing the motion to seal the autopsy report is nothing but delaying it being released. This is not a civil case nor a family court case and the grandparents do not have standing in the case. Maybe Florida is different but I think Katprint or Lapis will agree with me on this.

I know in Texas the grandparents can intercede into a family court case such as child custody and in some instances involving a child a civil case. Not in a criminal case though. The court is who would hold the best interest of the child and would appoint an attorney to represent the child. In this instance the district attorney's office will hold for the interest of Caylee.

my bold and yes.....

I think the judge made it pretty clear to BC..

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19728765/detail.html

with special emphasis on this passage: 'for reasons unknown to the court, the motion was served only upon the State Attorney's office'. The real party in interest in this matter is the various news media'.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[really3997]

And I was hoping to wake up this morning and find myself young, beautiful, and rich. We both lose.

<sigh>

you didn't want to be a 10, I hear that all the rage nowadays

[Dovey]

It will be interesting to see what "real truth" comes out in this book. If it's pro-Anthony, we'll know Cindy is behind it and profitting in some way.

I don't want to buy it, but I do want to read it--don't want any of my money possibly going to support Cindy. Or at least read a good book review of it :-) by someone on this board -- so how can we get a free copy?

I would go up to Boarder's bookstore and get myself a nice cup of coffee and read it and put it back on the shelf everyday, one or two cups is worth not buying the book, plus on Friday's and Saturday's at my Boarder's they have a trio that plays.

[summer4meplz]

Cindy would never report an injury if her daughter was somehow involved....if she didnt need critical medical assistance, she took care of it...IMO

..... she smelled DECOMP and didnt report it.
..... her daughter stole from her mother and she didnt compel her mother to press charges
..... she knew Casey stole a ton of money from Amy, she finds the cash and pockets it instead of thinking of the victim, Amy *oh Ill give this back to her, ITS PROBABLY HER's*...Cindy says *ITS PROBABLY MINE*, is what she told LE

nothing is considered important in that home except covering up....Cindy is a nurse and didnt see that her daughter was pregnant?

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence......*

I'm wondering if cindy didn't take care of a lot of injuries casey inflicted on poor little Caylee? probably why they ran to check under the playhouse when they realized Caylee really was missing....

[Pruddennce]

Exactly Cindy taking the money and saying it's probably her's anyhow,., not it wasn't.

Casey had just cashed a check of Amy's. Then did not LE take something in the same wallet from Casey's purse and we have not heard of this in any doc dump. What was taken??? Was it an ID with the name Zenida Gonzalaz? That Casey had in her purse, wallet? Where is that in the documents and Sunshine laws?
What did the female LE take from Casey's purse/wallet?

WE know Cindy took the money and LE took a card or something like that.
Where is the sunshine laws and have you seen any mention of what this female officer took from Casey's purse/wallet?

yes, Im waiting in anticipation as to WHOSE NAME was on the ID.....I have not seen any doc referencing it as seized and logged as evidence...

The sunshine law has been explained many ways by very informative posters; I come away with the fact that some things can be withheld.....many of these docs have been redacted......

in the interest of the investigation, etc. IMO.

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[101Spots]

you didn't want to be a 10, I hear that all the rage nowadays

I'd settle for 9.2 if I can be bumped up to "filthy rich." :biggrin:

[Pruddennce]

I was hoping the doc dump would contain info on those maggots and the contents of all those vacuum cleaners that were taken.


I have a feeling we wont see the insect and maggot results until trial.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*but I will continue to wait on maggot evidence.....*

[sunstar]

No. The FBI toxicology report stated that no drugs were detected.
They tested for Zanex and Valium IIRC

Oh that's right. I guess we can rule out tox results as their reason for not wanting it released then.


I'll see you all tomorrow ~ have a good night!

[runnnempty]

I think she went back at least once..checking out how well she hid her....the day she called Tony to pick her up because she ran out of gas....probably because she left her there in the dark and was checking out how far back she was, checking for visibility.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

http://cayleeanthony.wordpress.com/whos-who/

Stutz, Chris – Casey’s former boyfriend. Source of information that follows is http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0926/17564652.pdf. Met Casey while playing football with her friends. Began dating March or April 2007 and throughout the summer. At this time, Casey said she worked at Sports Authority. Long-distance relationship did not work out. Saw Casey a few times in May and June. On June 17 she came to his house driving dark colored Jeep Cherokee. Distressed because her parents were getting divorced (George cheating on Cindy). Talked about her and Caylee getting house. On July 15 around 9:30 a.m., he saw a girl who looked like Casey jogging down Chickasaw. He texted Casey and asked her if she was running down Chickasaw, but she said ‘no’ and that was the end of that. July 16, he got text message about Caylee being missing for 32 days. Casey called Chris later that night around 11:30 p.m. from jail, but he hung up without taking the call. He called his parents back and asked what he should do; they said not to take the call. Casey called back a few minutes later but he did not talk to her and has not talked to her or seen her since she was arrested. Several of Casey’s friends met with George and Cindy at their house, giving them any information they could … around July 19 or 26 or so.

Remember Chris Stutz?

[really3997]

Night all same story different night...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz:cuss:

[Lavinia]

And words. There have to be words or else it is a photo album.

JMO

Maybe it's a photo album of a polar bear in a snowstorm? :shrug:

[Dovey]

I'm wondering if cindy didn't take care of a lot of injuries casey inflicted on poor little Caylee? probably why they ran to check under the playhouse when they realized Caylee really was missing....

And what day did G & C do that? They totally knew Caylee was dead or they would not have done this. The ordor in the car told them this. Actually I'm wondering is there a statement C & G made that they did this checked in the backyard? Sorry I forget? If G&C did this before the dogs came they totally knew on July 15, 16th and then they went on the defense to try to save Casey who killed their own Granddaughter.

[crimeq]

I would go up to Boarder's bookstore and get myself a nice cup of coffee and read it and put it back on the shelf everyday, one or two cups is worth not buying the book, plus on Friday's and Saturday's at my Boarder's they have a trio that plays.

Sounds like a great way to spend an afternoon! Maybe I'll follow suit :wink: Great idea.

[Jester]

I wonder if her hair tested positive for repeated drug use, like sedatives? :shrug: MOO

If it is detectable, it should be there. Hair can hold drugs for 3 months, as far as I know ... after death, hair stops growing ... that would be interesting ... drug exposure also indicates a history of abuse.

[need2no]

Here's the opinions from the experts on NG regarding the firearms and tool marks witness, and the fish and wildlife forensic witness:


CASAREZ: Well, let`s try to understand that through Dr. David Posey, medical examiner, forensic pathologist, with us tonight. Thank you so much.

First of all, Brandon Giroux is one of the witnesses, and he is an expert in firearms and tool marks from the FBI in Quantico, Virginia. What could he testify about?

DR. DAVID M. POSEY, MEDICAL EXAMINER, GLEN OAKS PATHOLOGY MEDICAL GROUP: Well, I think the tool mark expert is going to be looking for any extraneous evidence that will be found on the body, on the packaging. He may even go to the car, to the home, looking for any little evidence that can start to link cause of death, potential cause of death, or any kind of injury to the body.

I think that`s what they`re looking for to try to tie these things together. Because I really think that they want to take and tie the defendant to placing the body at the scene. And that`s where I think this tool mark expert is going to come in.

And if there is evidence there, he`ll find it because those are really good experts to have because it`s a special area of trace evidence that they specialize in.

CASAREZ: Now I heard you just say injury to the body. We don`t know what caused this little girl`s death. So you think that they could try to be linking some things to go toward that via the prosecution`s theory?

POSEY: Yes. We don`t -- we`ve never seen the autopsy report. We don`t know really what they have. And until we find out what they have, it`s conjecture, and there may be things there, little bits of evidence that they want to go and try and link. Sometimes those little pieces of evidence, second, third, and fourth looks, will bring about a big conclusion. So I think that`s what they`re going for. They`re trying to put these little pieces together to try and give them a real solid case when they present it before the jury.


CASAREZ: Fascinating. All right. I have another question for you. Another witness on this supplemental list, Barry Baker from the U.S. Department of Interior, specializing in fish and wildlife service, forensic scientist.

What are they going to do? And I bet they will go to the scene. Right? That`s where their testimony will center around?

POSEY: I think so, yes. They`ll have to go to the scene. I think so much of this is going to be around the scene where Caylee was found, and they`re going to be looking for anything that`s out of place.

They know what`s supposed to be there. They know what the environment`s like. And all the little ecosystems within the environment. And they`re going to go and they`re going to probably dissect it, you know, probably centimeter by centimeter. Maybe I`m being too tight on it.

But they`re going to look at it real, real closely to see if there`s anything out of place, because what they want to find is if there`s evidence on the packaging, on the bag and so forth that doesn`t fit that environment then they`re going to have to look elsewhere and that will then lend to the fact the body was moved from one point to another point after Caylee died.

CASAREZ: And could wildlife have begun to go into the remains and that could even help with the timeline possibly?

POSEY: Oh, of course. All of those things are going to be put together. You know, it might be a wildlife, be it insect or what have you or even plant life that doesn`t belong in that ecosystem, that environment where she was found and belongs someplace else, you know, miles away from the site and consequently then they can say all right, now we`ve got a link.

We`ve got -- we know the body was moved here at some other time and the body was at another location for some period of time during the decomposing process.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0904/24/ng.01.html

Aired April 24, 2009

I'm gonna venture a guess and say these experts found 'the goods' which is why they are testifying, and why the Anthony's don't want the autopsy released to the public.

[Lavinia]

You better be good friend girl or you may not fit into your new dress.

But I :wub: you anyway.

:wub: Thank you witchy! I'm off to bed to cause trouble elsewhere, lol. :seeya:

[Imperfect4]

Night all same story different night...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz:cuss:

Good-night! My best to mr. really3997. :lol:

[seeing_eye]

Do you remember in some of the evidence photos they had pics of cardboard and stuff? I wonder if that might not have been the cardboard roll that the tape was on.

It didn't look like that type of cardboard to me.

[crimeq]

This may sound morbid, but I really don't care.............

I was very glad to learn this morning that Casey was losing sleep because I have since this precious child was first reported missing.

I cannot believe some one could kill something that precious.

Just baffles my mind.

Same here, Witchy. I'm not one to wish people ill, in fact quite the opposite. But I hope Casey Anthony has nightmares that make her cry out for the rest of her life.

[Dovey]

Sounds like a great way to spend an afternoon! Maybe I'll follow suit :wink: Great idea.

O/t but replying to your post.

Not just during an afternoon , if you are single it's a great place to meet up with others. I'm not single but I just go to Border's alot when my hubbie is out of town and I get lots of ??? Know what I mean and it's seems to be a better class of guys looking for a serious date.

If Casey would just offer a plea deal, I'm sure the state would look into it. Does Casey, Cindy and George and Lee think the public are stupid, ignorant, etc?

[crimeq]

This may sound morbid, but I really don't care.............

I was very glad to learn this morning that Casey was losing sleep because I have since this precious child was first reported missing.

I cannot believe some one could kill something that precious.

Just baffles my mind.

Why do you think Caylee wouldn't go to other people, or clung to Casey? Most children that age that I've known are far more gregarious and out-reaching.

[seeing_eye]

I wonder if her hair tested positive for repeated drug use, like sedatives? :shrug: MOO

I thought we had earlier received lab reports indicating no drug use found in the hair. IIRC

[crimeq]

O/t but replying to your post.

Not just during an afternoon , if you are single it's a great place to meet up with others. I'm not single but I just go to Border's alot when my hubbie is out of town and I get lots of ??? Know what I mean and it's seems to be a better class of guys looking for a serious date.

If Casey would just offer a plea deal, I'm sure the state would look into it. Does Casey, Cindy and George and Lee think the public are stupid, ignorant, etc?

I'm not single, technically--am in a long-term committed relationship. But I used to find interesting guys at Sunday matinees at the theater--not movies, but live theater. Great place to meet.

And yes, Casey and C&G&Lee do think the public is that stupid. Or, what they really think is, they're so much smarter.

I want justice for this darling little girl.

[happygert]

I think she went back at least once..checking out how well she hid her....the day she called Tony to pick her up because she ran out of gas....probably because she left her there in the dark and was checking out how far back she was, checking for visibility.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*


HI Pru. Im just wondering if the LE or FBI have checked the pings on Tony's phone to find out excatly what day he picked her up when she was walking back from there?

[crimeq]

Yes IMO. Tho I do feel bad for G&C.
They have to be hurting soooo bad.

Yes, the pain must be awful, but they aren't the characters I'd want in my family. I think the dysfunction that led to Caylee's death started in the dysfunction of the family--it was ripe to erupt, and it did, ending in Caylee's death.

[happygert]

Yes IMO. Tho I do feel bad for G&C.
They have to be hurting soooo bad.

I have no sympathy or empathy for them..IMO they created this monster.. They also knew exactly how casey was with Caylee and DID nothing to protect that innocent child..They even said casey was an unfit mother. But yet they did nothing to protect Caylee..... IMO g&c should be charged right along with casey..

[Dovey]

Why do you think Caylee wouldn't go to other people, or clung to Casey? Most children that age that I've known are far more gregarious and out-reaching.

It might be because Caylee never saw a dr, she didn't have any dental records to my knowledge and I don't think at 2 1/2 she ever saw an eye dr. At 2 yrs I wondered why my daughter was so clingy so I took her to an eye dr and sure enough she needed glasses. She had screamed when we left her with a baby sitter and we found the answer, perhaps Casey or Cindy never did.

Most parents don't know how to find out if their child has an eye problem, or a dental with headaches, or many times some kind of mental health problem etc.

[gaelicpeas]

Is Casey really misbehaving in prison ... shouting out and demanding attention? The poor girl ... I doubt many would care if she went completely mad in jail.

Everyone would think she was lying ...This is a National Enquirer story, apparently, so who knows if it is true. However, it wouldn't surprise me in the least to find out that she is staging this in preparation for an insanity defense. JMO

[happygert]

Yes, the pain must be awful, but they aren't the characters I'd want in my family. I think the dysfunction that led to Caylee's death started in the dysfunction of the family--it was ripe to erupt, and it did, ending in Caylee's death.

ITA.. IMO cindy is just as narcissistic as casey.. Remember cindy saying casey loved Caylee more then she loved casey.. well that sure doesnt say much about either one of them. cindy herself said casey was an unfit mother... IMO cindy was just as jealous of casey as casey was as Caylee..IMO neither one are fit mothers!

[Dick Tracy]

O/t but replying to your post.

Not just during an afternoon , if you are single it's a great place to meet up with others. I'm not single but I just go to Border's alot when my hubbie is out of town and I get lots of ??? Know what I mean and it's seems to be a better class of guys looking for a serious date.

If Casey would just offer a plea deal, I'm sure the state would look into it. Does Casey, Cindy and George and Lee think the public are stupid, ignorant, etc?

They probably think they can control and sway public opinion.
As far as a plea deal, that's not in the cards. They offered her a deal, and she said she wasn't going to confess to something she didn't do.

Go figure.

[Dovey]

HI Pru. Im just wondering if the LE or FBI have checked the pings on Tony's phone to find out excatly what day he picked her up when she was walking back from there?

Hi Happy I've missed your posts lately.
I really want to see Cindy, George and Lee's pings and text messages, where are they? I bet Lee erased them all b 4 they were turned over to LE.

[need2no]

her version of the truth, which differs from Zanny at Sawgrass and Zanny at the park....

she already implicated herself as a 'witness' to the abduction in her second version. I see Casey taking that story one step further. well, more than one.

I dont believe in coincidences in this particular case. one of his attorneys visited her on the evening of the 10th of Dec and didnt leave until 4:30am on the 11th. Caylee was discovered hours later.

coincidence? I dont believe so. I believe Kronk is hiding something. the PI's are involved. I believe there is a mile long connection between all of these players, and the Anthonys were informed every step of the way.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*


I'm in agreement on all this Pru.... but if casey was advised of the upcoming 'discovery' was her reaction to the media blitz on the 11th faked in hopes of appearing to be a shocked and heartbroken mother... but it backfired? Or do you think it was real emotion due to fear for herself, and her parent's reaction now that the game was over?

[happygert]

Hi Happy I've missed your posts lately.
I really want to see Cindy, George and Lee's pings and text messages, where are they? I bet Lee erased them all b 4 they were turned over to LE.

Hi Dovey.. I dont know but im sure the phone company has a copy.. I'm guessing they LE have got those records ...or in the process of getting them.. Missed being here been really busy..

[crimeq]

I'm in agreement on all this Pru.... but if casey was advised of the upcoming 'discovery' was her reaction to the media blitz on the 11th faked in hopes of appearing to be a shocked and heartbroken mother... but it backfired? Or do you think it was real emotion due to fear for herself, and her parent's reaction now that the game was over?

That late and long attorney visit the day before Caylee's remains were found bothers me a lot. I can't even conjure an explanation that isn't related to that find.

[Dovey]

I have no sympathy or empathy for them..IMO they created this monster.. They also knew exactly how casey was with Caylee and DID nothing to protect that innocent child..They even said casey was an unfit mother. But yet they did nothing to protect Caylee..... IMO g&c should be charged right along with casey..

I do totally agree and I wonder by some of the question in some statements if LE was looking to get more to charge C & G and L Anthony.

[Deannalynn]

JMO, but Caylee knew who her Mother was and that is that natural instinct a baby has.
Caylee wanted her mothers love.
JMO

Every child wants the love of their mother whether it's good, bad or indifferent. Caylee was hungry for Casey to show her what a real mothers love is like,
She must have seen other mothers and children together at other places and parks and the beach etc. She may have only been 2 but she was very smart and they know there is a big different when observing. Casey was a pretender and I bet Caylee could sense it. That's what was so sad because she never knew what her mother was about to do next.
I could clearly see she wanted real compassionate love by watching her sit in her Great grandfathers lap. As tho she didn't want to leave. These children have an excellent sense of whats real and whats not. All they want is Momma to love them...
JMO

[happygert]

[/B]

I do totally agree and I wonder by some of the question in some statements if LE was looking to get more to charge C & G and L Anthony.

If I was the DA i would have already charged them not like they dont have plenty they can charge them with.. check your pm please

[need2no]

This is a National Enquirer story, apparently, so who knows if it is true. However, it wouldn't surprise me in the least to find out that she is staging this in preparation for an insanity defense. JMO

Or maybe she is cracking under the pressure of crappy food and lack of exercise, no cell phone, no texts, no computer, no camera, no car, no bar hopping, no movies, no shopping, no nice clothes, no friends, no men for uh.. companionship, no visitors other than attorneys who 'talk business', no longer being able to BS mom, dad or Lee about feeling Caylee is alive and will be home soon, NO FREEDOM, NO PRIVACY, and NO FUTURE to look forward to, etc.

I think her situation would push me off the deep end.....

[need2no]

That late and long attorney visit the day before Caylee's remains were found bothers me a lot. I can't even conjure an explanation that isn't related to that find.

That makes 2 of us, what other possible explanation could there be.

[Dovey]

Every child wants the love of their mother whether it's good, bad or indifferent. Caylee was hungry for Casey to show her what a real mothers love is like,
She must have seen other mothers and children together at other places and parks and the beach etc. She may have only been 2 but she was very smart and they know there is a big different when observing. Casey was a pretender and I bet Caylee could sense it. That's what was so sad because she never knew what her mother was about to do next.
I could clearly see she wanted real compassionate love by watching her sit in her Great grandfathers lap. As tho she didn't want to leave. These children have an excellent sense of whats real and whats not. All they want is Momma to love them...
JMO


Great post and good nite all. Good nite Caylee and may you fly high and I want justice as do many others even if your own family doesn't. There are so many thinking about you every day and every moment. It might take awhile but it will come little sweet Caylee.

RIP little child.

:rose:

[gaelicpeas]

Or maybe she is cracking under the pressure of crappy food and lack of exercise, no cell phone, no texts, no computer, no camera, no car, no bar hopping, no movies, no shopping, no nice clothes, no friends, no men for uh.. companionship, no visitors other than attorneys who 'talk business', no longer being able to BS mom, dad or Lee about feeling Caylee is alive and will be home soon, NO FREEDOM, NO PRIVACY, and NO FUTURE to look forward to, etc.

I think her situation would push me off the deep end.....I agree... most "normal" people would be at their wit's end. And maybe she is having a normal reaction. Who knows...

[crimeq]

I agree... most "normal" people would be at their wit's end. And maybe she is having a normal reaction. Who knows...

Gaelic, do people go crazy in prison/jail? Is this a measurable phenomenon? Or do most of them just get used to it?

[Deannalynn]

Or maybe she is cracking under the pressure of crappy food and lack of exercise, no cell phone, no texts, no computer, no camera, no car, no bar hopping, no movies, no shopping, no nice clothes, no friends, no men for uh.. companionship, no visitors other than attorneys who 'talk business', no longer being able to BS mom, dad or Lee about feeling Caylee is alive and will be home soon, NO FREEDOM, NO PRIVACY, and NO FUTURE to look forward to, etc.

I think her situation would push me off the deep end.....

If she was with all her senses before she killed little Caylee she sure won't be faking insane when this trial gets started. What could she possibly do when this is all over but LWOP or the needle. There is nowhere she could go and get a new life after all this. No matter where she went if she's fantasizing.
Caylee is in a better place and Casey will never be for the rest of her life.
jmo

[Pruddennce]

HI Pru. Im just wondering if the LE or FBI have checked the pings on Tony's phone to find out excatly what day he picked her up when she was walking back from there?

IIRC, they verified that with him. it was the 23rd.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5686811/Casey-Anthony-Tony-Lazzaro-transcript-Sept-8-2008

page 54

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

[gaelicpeas]

Gaelic, do people go crazy in prison/jail? Is this a measurable phenomenon? Or do most of them just get used to it?I don't know. I do work with people who study prisoners.. and apparently there is a lot of mental illness. I haven't really followed their research very closely, so not sure whether the mental illness came before or after incarceration. But it is definitely a major issue with inmates. JMO and no cites.. but I could find them if you really want them.

[Deannalynn]

Gaelic, do people go crazy in prison/jail? Is this a measurable phenomenon? Or do most of them just get used to it?

I think these woman get used to it. The only problem is, there's no where to hide once they close them doors. The general population in these Women's prisons don't take a like to someone murdering their kid. Thousands of woman would give anything for regular visitation rights to there's.:w00t:
jmo

[shelkobe]

Oh and don't forget they "took the battery out of it just in case someone came home to try to get the car we took the battery out of it. Never know."

LE asked "someone being?"

Cindy said, "I don't know anybody. I have no idea. I'm not, I don't wanna speculate on something I don't know but that's our thought was."

Casey "Anybody" Anthony? :lol:

page 22 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/cynthia%20anthony.pdf
I'm behind, so I apologize.

But this exchange was one of my favorites. Cindy is so transparent here. What a joke. Thanks for bringing back a classic!

[crimeq]

I don't know. I do work with people who study prisoners.. and apparently there is a lot of mental illness. I haven't really followed their research very closely, so not sure whether the mental illness came before or after incarceration. But it is definitely a major issue with inmates. JMO and no cites.. but I could find them if you really want them.

Oh, no, don't go looking for cites. It was a question from my curiosity, that's all :-) I think "losing it" would be very possible in a situation like Casey's. I don't know how I would survive.

Maybe more than anything, what would get to me would be the transparent glass wall--that I never had any privacy. To have everything on view (not just the primitive needs like bathroom needs, but every emotional flicker on my face, or if I cried) -- I think that could really break me down!

[Pruddennce]

I'm in agreement on all this Pru.... but if casey was advised of the upcoming 'discovery' was her reaction to the media blitz on the 11th faked in hopes of appearing to be a shocked and heartbroken mother... but it backfired? Or do you think it was real emotion due to fear for herself, and her parent's reaction now that the game was over?

yes, IMO she was 'attempting' to act shocked.....when they found bones during one of the earlier searches, there was no 'issue'....ho hum.

she has been separated from her nemesis, her mother.... she doesnt have to deal with them/her anymore in the jailhouse visit game. its a new game: she is busy busy feeding her family to the defense team lions...

I agree with the opinion that JB wants that tape cloaked and not released because of something HE did on the tape....wonder if it has audio and he uttered 'babe' or something...

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[need2no]

yes, IMO she was 'attempting' to act shocked.....when they found bones during one of the earlier searches, there was no 'issue'....ho hum.

she has been separated from her nemesis, her mother.... she doesnt have to deal with them/her anymore in the jailhouse visit game. its a new game: she is busy busy feeding her family to the defense team lions...

I agree with the opinion that JB wants that tape cloaked and not released because of something HE did on the tape....wonder if it has audio and he uttered 'babe' or something...
IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

I'm guessing or something, considering how desperate he seems to have this tape withheld from the public.

[Dick Tracy]

yes, IMO she was 'attempting' to act shocked.....when they found bones during one of the earlier searches, there was no 'issue'....ho hum.

she has been separated from her nemesis, her mother.... she doesnt have to deal with them/her anymore in the jailhouse visit game. its a new game: she is busy busy feeding her family to the defense team lions...

I agree with the opinion that JB wants that tape cloaked and not released because of something HE did on the tape....wonder if it has audio and he uttered 'babe' or something...

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

He uttered babe or something !!!! Good one Pru !!! Something like "C'mon babe, let's go."

She should have been shocked. When they found the remains of Caylee, she knew the gig was up. She obviously never checked out a video or dvd on forensics to become an expert on what they could find at the crime scene that would implicate her. This was a very messy crime, and their are clues all over the place that, on cell phone records, on facebook, myspace whatever.

They're a pretty stupid bunch. Maybe all four of them will wind up in the slammer.

[spiritwolf46]

If I was the DA i would have already charged them not like they dont have plenty they can charge them with.. check your pm please

Hi Happy! Long time, no see, dear!

Just my opinion, but I think that the A's will certainly be charged after Casey's trial. I think that there is so much going on right now to pin the OC down to her crime and let's not forget the tax payers money going to this trial, that first thing is first.

I sure hope that my opinion is right, for I feel that every single one of them will be charged after the trial is over.

I PRAY anyway!

[spiritwolf46]

yes, IMO she was 'attempting' to act shocked.....when they found bones during one of the earlier searches, there was no 'issue'....ho hum.

she has been separated from her nemesis, her mother.... she doesnt have to deal with them/her anymore in the jailhouse visit game. its a new game: she is busy busy feeding her family to the defense team lions...

I agree with the opinion that JB wants that tape cloaked and not released because of something HE did on the tape....wonder if it has audio and he uttered 'babe' or something...

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

I sure have missed reading your posts and I have to say.....spot on, as usual!

There is no doubt in my mind that he has done something that he wants covered up. Whether it be something that he mumbled or his hands were some place they should not have been, it is a pretty safe bet that this has nothing to do with the OC and her "acting" abilities.

[happygert]

IIRC, they verified that with him. it was the 23rd.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5686811/Casey-Anthony-Tony-Lazzaro-transcript-Sept-8-2008

page 54

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

Thanks.. memory short....
She was probably checking to see ifshe was back far enough.. or maybe she found something that she forgot to toss and went back to toss them out..

[happygert]

Hi Happy! Long time, no see, dear!

Just my opinion, but I think that the A's will certainly be charged after Casey's trial. I think that there is so much going on right now to pin the OC down to her crime and let's not forget the tax payers money going to this trial, that first thing is first.

I sure hope that my opinion is right, for I feel that every single one of them will be charged after the trial is over.

I PRAY anyway!

Hi spiritwolf .. yes long time no see.. but im hoping that's changing..lol..

I surley hope you are right.. IMO they all need to know that they are not above the law . That it applys to them just like everyone else.. Where I live they would have already been charged..

[spiritwolf46]

Hi spiritwolf .. yes long time no see.. but im hoping that's changing..lol..

I surley hope you are right.. IMO they all need to know that they are not above the law . That it applys to them just like everyone else.. Where I live they would have already been charged..

That would be the case if they lived here as well.

They truly do think that they are entitled people and I cannot wait until that belief is taken away so fast that it leaves them dizzy! These people make me literally ill and they all need to learn a huge lesson! We all know what that lesson is and it is about time that they learned it, too! ;)

[happygert]

That would be the case if they lived here as well.

They truly do think that they are entitled people and I cannot wait until that belief is taken away so fast that it leaves them dizzy! These people make me literally ill and they all need to learn a huge lesson! We all know what that lesson is and it is about time that they learned it, too! ;)

ITA! they are one of the most sickening family I have ever seen.. I'D also like to know where they are getting the money to live off of.. they have not worked one day since July 15th of last year.. I dont kno9w anyone who could live for a year with "no income" .. I guess their dead grandaughter who they did not protect now is paying all their bills.. Its pretty sickening the way the claim to love Caylee and sell everything they can get their hands on that was hers...

[gaelicpeas]

Oh, no, don't go looking for cites. It was a question from my curiosity, that's all :-) I think "losing it" would be very possible in a situation like Casey's. I don't know how I would survive.

Maybe more than anything, what would get to me would be the transparent glass wall--that I never had any privacy. To have everything on view (not just the primitive needs like bathroom needs, but every emotional flicker on my face, or if I cried) -- I think that could really break me down!The transparent walls wouldn't do me in.. but just the knowledge that I could never ever go outside those walls... and the people you would be forced to associate with.. nope, I would go bonkers in a matter of months (maybe weeks), I think. JMO

[spiritwolf46]

ITA! they are one of the most sickening family I have ever seen.. I'D also like to know where they are getting the money to live off of.. they have not worked one day since July 15th of last year.. I dont kno9w anyone who could live for a year with "no income" .. I guess their dead grandaughter who they did not protect now is paying all their bills.. Its pretty sickening the way the claim to love Caylee and sell everything they can get their hands on that was hers...

Personally, I think that KFN taught the A's very well. They taught them how to NOT work, get government grants that says they are going to head up a network for missing children, a grant that is GIVEN and never questioned, while being able to sit back, go out on their new fishing.....er...I mean supposed missing children boat, and have enough money to live off of while their bills are paid, without lifting a finger.

Looks like George FINALLY found that silver lining he has been looking for! He was taught by one of the best scammers out there! The Milsteads!

Meanwhile, the TRULY distraught, that TRULY cannot work due to a murdered child, grandchild, son, daughter or whatever, will perhaps loose their homes and so on because they are honest people, who have grieved.

Poor little Caylee. Little did she know that her murder played right into her own, self righteous, greedy, so called "grandparents" and the fact that they seemed to have banked on her death at every single turn.

I just know that there will be justice for that little girl. There will come a day when her murderer will either be put to death or life without parole and her grandparents and uncle will pay for their part in this. If they don't, then they will meet OUR maker one day and will never get past those gates for a second.

Knowing this helps me sleep at night.

[happygert]

Personally, I think that KFN taught the A's very well. They taught them how to NOT work, get government grants that says they are going to head up a network for missing children, a grant that is GIVEN and never questioned, while being able to sit back, go out on their new fishing.....er...I mean supposed missing children boat, and have enough money to live off of while their bills are paid, without lifting a finger.

Looks like George FINALLY found that silver lining he has been looking for! He was taught by one of the best scammers out there! The Milsteads!

Meanwhile, the TRULY distraught, that TRULY cannot work due to a murdered child, grandchild, son, daughter or whatever, will perhaps loose their homes and so on because they are honest people, who have grieved.

Poor little Caylee. Little did she know that her murder played right into her own, self righteous, greedy, so called "grandparents" and the fact that they seemed to have banked on her death at every single turn.

I just know that there will be justice for that little girl. There will come a day when her murderer will either be put to death or life without parole and her grandparents and uncle will pay for their part in this. If they don't, then they will meet OUR maker one day and will never get past those gates for a second.

Knowing this helps me sleep at night.

ITA.. I couldnt have said it any better..
IMO they also think with all these games they are playing with the courts that somehow casey will walk they are just prolonging the inevitable

[happygert]

My daughter was missing for 8 very very long days.She was 18. . I was a total mess.. I could hardly function.. I knew the mintue casey said Caylee was missing for 31 days that she had murdered her..

[shelkobe]

Every child wants the love of their mother whether it's good, bad or indifferent. Caylee was hungry for Casey to show her what a real mothers love is like,
She must have seen other mothers and children together at other places and parks and the beach etc. She may have only been 2 but she was very smart and they know there is a big different when observing. Casey was a pretender and I bet Caylee could sense it. That's what was so sad because she never knew what her mother was about to do next.
I could clearly see she wanted real compassionate love by watching her sit in her Great grandfathers lap. As tho she didn't want to leave. These children have an excellent sense of whats real and whats not. All they want is Momma to love them...
JMO
Since Casey seems to have been driving around all day, maybe Caylee was just thrilled to be out of the car seat and have physical contact with her mother.

[Sun]

And reading the statement from Sean Krause today - she says she'll have a "big story" for him the next day.
Just who does she think she is and how did she get that way?

If I recall correctly, the "big story" never happened. But what is interesting is that DCasey was sent to search on Suburban Drive a day or two before the "big announcement" was to happen. ....looking back at the timeline of things that were happening around that time, sure makes me now go hmmmmmmmm??

Padilla searched Little Econ River around Nov 13
DCasey called JHoover on Nov 14
DCasey searched on Suburban Drive Nov 15
George and Cindy held strange "meet and greet" Nov 15
"big announcement" was to happen on Nov 17, I think.

No big announcement ever happened, but George and Cindy ramped up their "Caylee is alive" script. And, bogus "sightings" that began to really worry me about the safely of all toddler girls, from the clutches of the Anthonys.

[Sun]

Will someone please refresh my memory as to why KC is in protective custody in "jail" ? I'm watching County Jail Miami Dade,(as a poster said earlier that it's on) and they are showing thieves and murderers in the same holding cells. Why is the OC getting special treatment being housed alone? :cursing:

The jail is charged with keeping their "customers" safe, and they quickly summed Casey up right at the very beginning, and determined that she should not be allowed to be around other inmates. In my mind, I tend to think that solitary confinement is very hard on Casey, as her personality-type tends to thrive on the attention of others. Being housed "alone" is likely starving her need for the attention that she desires.... and she has no audience to tell her lies to. (except for her attorneys LOL) Corrections officers don't spend hours chatting with Casey, but likely do speak with her a few times a day, just enough to monitor her.

[Deannalynn]

The jail is charged with keeping their "customers" safe, and they quickly summed Casey up right at the very beginning, and determined that she should not be allowed to be around other inmates. In my mind, I tend to think that solitary confinement is very hard on Casey, as her personality-type tends to thrive on the attention of others. Being housed "alone" is likely starving her need for the attention that she desires.... and she has no audience to tell her lies to. (except for her attorneys LOL) Corrections officers don't spend hours chatting with Casey, but likely do speak with her a few times a day, just enough to monitor her.

This sounds about right.
Each time we see her in court she has a hard time sitting still between fixing her cloths and shaping her hair for the camera's.:sneaky:
She probably lives for those court appearances.
jmo

[*MoonRider*]

her version of the truth, which differs from Zanny at Sawgrass and Zanny at the park....

she already implicated herself as a 'witness' to the abduction in her second version. I see Casey taking that story one step further. well, more than one.

I dont believe in coincidences in this particular case. one of his attorneys visited her on the evening of the 10th of Dec and didnt leave until 4:30am on the 11th. Caylee was discovered hours later.

coincidence? I dont believe so. I believe Kronk is hiding something. the PI's are involved. I believe there is a mile long connection between all of these players, and the Anthonys were informed every step of the way.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

I respectfully disagree. I think the late night visit by the attorney (not Jose) was so the OC could watch her parents on LKL on youtube. Jose had a court hearing at 9:00 a.m. on the 11th where he waived her right to a speedy trial. I think she wanted the Jan. 5th original court date to go forward so she could get this pesky matter behind her. I'm sure the attorney had to convince the OC that the defense was not prepared to go to trial. Jose was talking about a change of venue as well, although no motion had been filed at that time. http://www.wesh.com/news/18251772/detail.html