June 10

[desmom]

One year ago today.......June 10, 2008

Casey and Caylee were still at Ricardo’s when he left for work. Casey said she was going to take a shower and take off. http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1643158/Morales-Ricardo---Statement

This is the last time Amy saw Caylee. http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1642949/Huizenga-Amy---Statement

Brian Burner and family, the Anthony’s neighbors, leave for their vacation to Chicago. http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1641640/Brown-Brian---Statement

Text messages between Casey and Amy: http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1772101/AH-and-KC-Text-Messages

Casey to Amy 06/10 6:46 p.m.: So Ric and I are not friends anymore.

Amy to Casey: What happened?

Casey to Amy 06/10 6:57 p.m.: He finally decided to tell me that he loves me.. and unfortunately I'm not there with him anymore. I waited months for this to happen and now that it has I can’t say that he is the only guy I have feelings for. It’s like I have to choose. He’s throwing everything in my face. Ugh.

Casey to Amy 06/10 6:59 p.m.: He wants me to still date him knowing that I’m starting to like Tony. I can’t do that. I’m not that person. I respect him too much to do that.

Amy to Casey: That sucks hun. I’ll call when I get off. I also have to get a new job. New management sucks. I’m think Friday for Jacks.

Casey to Amy 06/10 8:54 p.m.: I'm working all day tomorrow so I’m good for whatever day we can go up to Jville.

Casey to Amy 06/10 9:06 p.m.: Oye! Yeah. We will definitely talk later.

[desmom]

Brought over from yesterday's thread.



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Secondly, the date mixup:

Cindy states she stayed overnite in Mt Dora (with her mother), on the 7th of June, came home the 8th. She claims Caylee was home with her on the 9th, she was NOT out all nite with Casey. But she doesnt say Casey wasnt out all nite.

Reason for that lie: because there was a blowup, and she doesnt want to talk about it. two blowups, one more significant than the other.....she returns with caylee after her overnite stay at Ricardo's on the 9th....but on the 15th she does not.

Cindy lied outright about the 9th because in her mind, she was covering up the fact they were at odds. she didnt want LE to 'catch on' as to why Casey left the house on the 9th with Caylee and didnt return all nite.

then, well, Cindy begins the tale of Nanny et al and her travels as told to her by the literary master, Casey......its quite a disconnect since she outright lied about Caylee being out overnite on the 9th.

and so the coverup begins.....

http://www.wftv.com/video/17565512/index.html

it should be noted it WAS an exhausting exercise in deception....Cindy trying her best to avoid the erroneous weekend of June 8th as being the last time she saw Caylee...well, it was a similar situation....SHE LEFT on the 9th and Cindy had no clue where she was......she returned for a few more days with caylee, Cindy was able to take Caylee for the day on the 15th, (last time) and she never returned.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence.....*

Great post Pru! Thank you! Cindy definitely did her best to direct everyone away from the weekend of June 8.

jmo

[Sun]

Good morning desmom! June 10th, 2008 was a Tuesday I think. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

So Casey breaks up with Ricardo, yet still stays and uses his shower even though he's gone to work. ...sounds like kind of a funny way to break up. I almost wonder if Ricardo knew at that point in time?

[Sun]

Brought over from yesterday's thread.



Great post Pru! Thank you! Cindy definitely did her best to direct everyone away from the weekend of June 8.

jmo

Cindy sure did. I'd be interested in a little more info on Cindy's Dad's condition and how he was doing on that weekend. Didn't Cindy use the excuse of him not doing at all well, as the reason why she stayed overnight with her mom, or am I confused? Could Cindy have gotten in a huge fight with Casey, and just "ran home to mom?" It's not really all that long a drive to her mom's.

[desmom]

Cindy sure did. I'd be interested in a little more info on Cindy's Dad's condition and how he was doing on that weekend. Didn't Cindy use the excuse of him not doing at all well, as the reason why she stayed overnight with her mom, or am I confused? Could Cindy have gotten in a huge fight with Casey, and just "ran home to mom?" It's not really all that long a drive to her mom's.

Good Morning Sun! Nope you are not confused. Cindy's mom told LE her husband had recently had a set-back but was doing better.

No mention of George going to his MIL's that weekend. Was he at home? I do not recall George mentioning that weekend in his interviews with LE. Now that I think about it, I don't remember George giving LE any dates or timeline during his interviews. Lee did, Cindy did, Casey's friends did. Why didn't George?

jmo

ETA ~ That is going to drive me nuts about not remembering George giving LE dates or a timeline. Am I going to have to go back and re-read and watch the videos again?:scared:

[Sun]

http://www.cfnews13.com/MediaPlayer2/MediaPlayer.htm?video=CAPART2_092620080824&cat=CAC&title=Cindy%20Anthony%20Interview%20Part%202

Just a few minutes into this LE/Cindy interview, Cindy tries to provide LE with a timeline. Cindy speech is so confusing at times. She just can't get out a clear sentence! I had to re-listen to this several times just to figure out which days she was where.

arghhhh.... I HATE listening to Cindy's voice! NO MORE TODAY! LOL

[desmom]

I had to chuckle over Casey to Amy 06/10 6:57 p.m.: He finally decided to tell me that he loves me.. and unfortunately I'm not there with him anymore. I waited months for this to happen.....

Ricardo told LE they started dating the beginning of February and it lasted to mid-April. After that, I get the impression Ricardo was the boyfriend-in-need. When Casey needed a boyfriend, she showed up or called Ricardo. IMO, Ricardo telling Casey he loved her may have been said in the heat of the moment....if you get my drift.

Hello Casey, that was lust, not love! jmo

[Sun]

Good Morning Sun! Nope you are not confused. Cindy's mom told LE her husband had recently had a set-back but was doing better.

No mention of George going to his MIL's that weekend. Was he at home? I do not recall George mentioning that weekend in his interviews with LE. Now that I think about it, I don't remember George giving LE any dates or timeline during his interviews. Lee did, Cindy did, Casey's friends did. Why didn't George?

jmo

ETA ~ That is going to drive me nuts about not remembering George giving LE dates or a timeline. Am I going to have to go back and re-read and watch the videos again?:scared:

I don't ever think that I've seen a good timeline for when George worked, days or times. I had hoped that Morgan would get this info when he deposed George, but he didn't.

I do recall that George got a final paycheck or last day of work on June 30th for one job (unsure if he just quit or was fired), and supposedly didn't start a new job until July 14th. It would be good to know which days/hours George actually "worked" and was away from the Anthony home. I've just not seen this outlined anywhere.

Cindy has indicated that George's regular days off (at least for the earlier job) was Fridays and Saturdays.

[Sun]

Gee, I really shouldn't be re-listening to Cindy's LE interviews.

After just finishing part 2 where Cindy discussed the paternity of Caylee, and such, I feel something very disturbing. I just wonder what lengths would Cindy have gone to, to prevent "anyone" (even Casey) from taking Caylee away from her. Was this something that Casey already felt, and Casey just killed Caylee to prevent Cindy from ending up with Caylee? Could Casey have hated Cindy that much?

The dysfunction in the Anthony family is so disturbing.

[martha]

Good morning everyone, I think if casey did not kill Caylee then someone like the a;s or just anyone should be looking for the real killer. Like in oj case. who elce could have done it and why or they not looking for that person. Now we know the nanny don;t ex.and that story is a lie. If they or going to get casey out of this they need someone who did kill Caylee. I see nothing that shows another person did this. Am I just crazy or is there something I don;t know. Right now the only one I can see that would have killed Caylee is casey. Maybe jb has someone elce in mind but he needs to be looking for that person. jmho

[AMS]

Gee, I really shouldn't be re-listening to Cindy's LE interviews.

After just finishing part 2 where Cindy discussed the paternity of Caylee, and such, I feel something very disturbing. I just wonder what lengths would Cindy have gone to, to prevent "anyone" (even Casey) from taking Caylee away from her. Was this something that Casey already felt, and Casey just killed Caylee to prevent Cindy from ending up with Caylee? Could Casey have hated Cindy that much?

The dysfunction in the Anthony family is so disturbing.

Good morning - I think you are on to something Sun. Cindy's mother also wondered if Casey hated Cindy more than she loved Caylee. :sad:

imo

[desmom]

I don't ever think that I've seen a good timeline for when George worked, days or times. I had hoped that Morgan would get this info when he deposed George, but he didn't.

I do recall that George got a final paycheck or last day of work on June 30th for one job (unsure if he just quit or was fired), and supposedly didn't start a new job until July 14th. It would be good to know which days/hours George actually "worked" and was away from the Anthony home. I've just not seen this outlined anywhere.

Cindy has indicated that George's regular days off (at least for the earlier job) was Fridays and Saturdays.


Do you remember him giving any dates to LE re Casey and Caylee other than 6/24 when he found the gas cans in Casey's trunk?

He did not even give a "we all had breakfast together on Father's day, before Cindy and Caylee went to the nursing home".

I just find it odd everyone was asked or offered timeline info, but George. Why?

What if the weekend Cindy went to Mt. Dora, the argument was between George & Casey? Casey walked out with Caylee and returned after Cindy returned from Mt. Dora. Did Cindy avoid bringing it up because she was afraid Casey would take Caylee and leave again or she wanted to give everyone a little time to cool off?

I still go with the theory Cindy's mom gave her an earful over Casey and her shenanigans on Father's Day. Did Cindy decide to bring up the weekend before when she got home from Mt. Dora + all the other things Casey had been doing?

jmo

[martha]

Gee, I really shouldn't be re-listening to Cindy's LE interviews.

After just finishing part 2 where Cindy discussed the paternity of Caylee, and such, I feel something very disturbing. I just wonder what lengths would Cindy have gone to, to prevent "anyone" (even Casey) from taking Caylee away from her. Was this something that Casey already felt, and Casey just killed Caylee to prevent Cindy from ending up with Caylee? Could Casey have hated Cindy that much?

The dysfunction in the Anthony family is so disturbing.Yes honey I think casey did hate cindy enough to do this just to take Caylee away from c and g. casey loves no one but her self. jmho

[Rapunzel]

Gee, I really shouldn't be re-listening to Cindy's LE interviews.

After just finishing part 2 where Cindy discussed the paternity of Caylee, and such, I feel something very disturbing. I just wonder what lengths would Cindy have gone to, to prevent "anyone" (even Casey) from taking Caylee away from her. Was this something that Casey already felt, and Casey just killed Caylee to prevent Cindy from ending up with Caylee? Could Casey have hated Cindy that much?

The dysfunction in the Anthony family is so disturbing.


I think what KC's grandma Shirley said is so true...Casey hated Cindy more then she loved Caylee.

[Rapunzel]

Gee, I really shouldn't be re-listening to Cindy's LE interviews.

After just finishing part 2 where Cindy discussed the paternity of Caylee, and such, I feel something very disturbing. I just wonder what lengths would Cindy have gone to, to prevent "anyone" (even Casey) from taking Caylee away from her. Was this something that Casey already felt, and Casey just killed Caylee to prevent Cindy from ending up with Caylee? Could Casey have hated Cindy that much?

The dysfunction in the Anthony family is so disturbing.

I don't know what lengths Cindy would have gone to...she wanted her cake and eat it to just like Casey...she would complain to Casey all the time about getting home and taking care of her daughter...then when Casey and Caylee were gone for more then 3 weeks...she did nothing really to find them...even Cindy's co-workers told her something was up and she needed to check into it or call the police and she failed to do anything...sometimes I think she was glad they were out of the house.

[Sun]

Do you remember him giving any dates to LE re Casey and Caylee other than 6/24 when he found the gas cans in Casey's trunk?

He did not even give a "we all had breakfast together on Father's day, before Cindy and Caylee went to the nursing home".

I just find it odd everyone was asked or offered timeline info, but George. Why?

What if the weekend Cindy went to Mt. Dora, the argument was between George & Casey? Casey walked out with Caylee and returned after Cindy returned from Mt. Dora. Did Cindy avoid bringing it up because she was afraid Casey would take Caylee and leave again or she wanted to give everyone a little time to cool off?

I still go with the theory Cindy's mom gave her an earful over Casey and her shenanigans on Father's Day. Did Cindy decide to bring up the weekend before when she got home from Mt. Dora + all the other things Casey had been doing?

jmo

You bring up some good questions. Why was George's daily schedule never really outlined? Why don't we have more details from George about the days leading up to Caylee's death? And, why did George EXPLODE on Morgan/Mitnik when he was asked about this?

IMO, George is a huge liar. A huge liar, with a temper. Living in a sham of a marriage.

[desmom]

I don't know what lengths Cindy would have gone to...she wanted her cake and eat it to just like Casey...she would complain to Casey all the time about getting home and taking care of her daughter...then when Casey and Caylee were gone for more then 3 weeks...she did nothing really to find them...even Cindy's co-workers told her something was up and she needed to check into it or call the police and she failed to do anything...sometimes I think she was glad they were out of the house.

but, but ....

Cindy said she talked to Casey everyday. :rolleyes:

IIRC, the computer reports said the "My Caylee is Missing" was wrote on July 2 and posted on myspace July 3. Cindy went to Universal on July 3 because that is where Casey said they were. When she called Casey, Casey told her Caylee was not at the park and in fact the two of them had been in Jacksonville all week with Jeff. Yet, Cindy sends Lee out looking for Casey in the Orlando clubs the evening of July 3.

IMO, Cindy knew something was wrong.

[breezie]

As much as Cindy says now that she believes everything Casey told her, I bet she really didn't believe squat. I bet there were threats to each other every phone conversation, until Casey stopped taking any of her calls. Then it was all texts.

[Rapunzel]

but, but ....

Cindy said she talked to Casey everyday. :rolleyes:

IIRC, the computer reports said the "My Caylee is Missing" was wrote on July 2 and posted on myspace July 3. Cindy went to Universal on July 3 because that is where Casey said they were. When she called Casey, Casey told her Caylee was not at the park and in fact the two of them had been in Jacksonville all week with Jeff. Yet, Cindy sends Lee out looking for Casey in the Orlando clubs the evening of July 3.

IMO, Cindy knew something was wrong.

OK...she did do somethings...but IMHO...not much...I think she looked for them about as much as she searched for Caylee after she reported her missing and searched for the real killer after the fact.

I'm sorry, but if this was my grandchild...I would be out there searching everyday...not selling T-shirts and bracelets on the corner. To me Cindy's plea's on TV for Caylee's return were pretty feeble...cause at that point I think she new...in fact I think Cindy and George knew that Caylee was dead when they retrieved the car from the tow yard. At that point they were in denial that then turned to cover-up.

[Sun]

desmom, I have a hard time believing much of what George says in regards to the gas cans. The date is memorialized by the theft report with LE. But, how do we know that the gas cans were returned to the Anthony home in the manner that George described. ....George has lied about so many things, and so I just don't put much weight to what he says.

Tony did finally tell LE that Casey asked him to break the lock off the shed (with his tire iron), so that she could get the gas cans. So, I do believe that the gas cans were in Casey's possession at that point, just not sure how they came to be back in the Anthony home.

[desmom]

Last night 101Spots posted: http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=13181440#post13181440 I believe this was what Lee was referring to when he asked Casey "Is this like the last time?" in regards to Casey and Caylee's June 8 disappearing act vs June 15 disappearing act.

I think 101Spots may have solved the "Is this like the last time?" question Lee posed to Casey we have all tried to decipher. Kudos to 101Spots!

The family definitely wanted LE to stay away from the June 15 weekend. Cindy said she thought it was June 8 because of vacation or something and her Mom would be able to back it up because of the emails she sends daily to Cindy's aunt. I think Cindy expected her Mother to back her up. I do not think Cindy ever considered LE would go to the nursing home to confirm her story. Remember how irate she was with LE when she found out they had gone to the nursing home.

Something major happened June 15 in that household. Could Lenny's Lee said Cindy had Casey by the throat story be true?

jmo

[Barbara fl.]

Good morning all,


So glad to see a new thread this morning.....the other way totally confuses me....(not that it takes too much to confuse me)....but a new thread each day is much better.....

[Sun]

but, but ....

Cindy said she talked to Casey everyday. :rolleyes:

IIRC, the computer reports said the "My Caylee is Missing" was wrote on July 2 and posted on myspace July 3. Cindy went to Universal on July 3 because that is where Casey said they were. When she called Casey, Casey told her Caylee was not at the park and in fact the two of them had been in Jacksonville all week with Jeff. Yet, Cindy sends Lee out looking for Casey in the Orlando clubs the evening of July 3.

IMO, Cindy knew something was wrong.

I'd really like to know when Cindy asked for that week of vacation (June 30 through July 4). July 2nd was a Wednesday. July 6th was Sunday.

I'd like to see txtmsgs between Casey and Cindy. The myspace posting by Cindy will be seen by the Jury.

[desmom]

desmom, I have a hard time believing much of what George says in regards to the gas cans. The date is memorialized by the theft report with LE. But, how do we know that the gas cans were returned to the Anthony home in the manner that George described. ....George has lied about so many things, and so I just don't put much weight to what he says.

Tony did finally tell LE that Casey asked him to break the lock off the shed (with his tire iron), so that she could get the gas cans. So, I do believe that the gas cans were in Casey's possession at that point, just not sure how they came to be back in the Anthony home.


A day or two after the stolen gas cans report came out, George told one of the media outlets the gas cans had been stolen by a neighbor. Then he went on Greta and said Casey took the gas cans and told this long detailed he said/she said story about how the cans were recovered.

George gives way too much information when he recalls an event. It is too scripted for me.

jmo

[sammy62]

Good Morning Sun! Nope you are not confused. Cindy's mom told LE her husband had recently had a set-back but was doing better.

No mention of George going to his MIL's that weekend. Was he at home? I do not recall George mentioning that weekend in his interviews with LE. Now that I think about it, I don't remember George giving LE any dates or timeline during his interviews. Lee did, Cindy did, Casey's friends did. Why didn't George?

jmo

ETA ~ That is going to drive me nuts about not remembering George giving LE dates or a timeline. Am I going to have to go back and re-read and watch the videos again?:scared:



George was interviewed on August 4 for the timeline. I don't know how to insert a link...but the webpage address is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y6dAQ9KXCU&feature=related

[Sun]

desmom, unfortunately the Anthonys are going to be telling the truth about what went on in their home, in the weeks/days leading up to the death of Caylee. And at this point, if they did decide to "tell," who would even believe that they are telling the truth.

The Anthony all tried to mislead LE. No doubt about that. LE was very quick to realize that Casey was lying, and I think that it took LE just a few days to realize that George and Cindy were also lying to them.

[sammy62]

A day or two after the stolen gas cans report came out, George told one of the media outlets the gas cans had been stolen by a neighbor. Then he went on Greta and said Casey took the gas cans and told this long detailed he said/she said story about how the cans were recovered.

George gives way too much information when he recalls an event. It is too scripted for me.

jmo

Who would call 911 for two stolen gas cans...at $10.00 each. That always surprised me.

[Barbara fl.]

Last night 101Spots posted: http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=13181440#post13181440 I believe this was what Lee was referring to when he asked Casey "Is this like the last time?" in regards to Casey and Caylee's June 8 disappearing act vs June 15 disappearing act.

I think 101Spots may have solved the "Is this like the last time?" question Lee posed to Casey we have all tried to decipher. Kudos to 101Spots!

The family definitely wanted LE to stay away from the June 15 weekend. Cindy said she thought it was June 8 because of vacation or something and her Mom would be able to back it up because of the emails she sends daily to Cindy's aunt. I think Cindy expected her Mother to back her up. I do not think Cindy ever considered LE would go to the nursing home to confirm her story. Remember how irate she was with LE when she found out they had gone to the nursing home.

Something major happened June 15 in that household. Could Lenny's Lee said Cindy had Casey by the throat story be true?

jmo


Good morning Desmom,


That part that really puzzles me is that how could they have forgotten the date....when it was fathers day, they visited Cindy's father in the nursing home with Caylee, it was the same day that Cindy found out that Casey had stolen money from the assisted living account, it was the day of the big fight......and it was the last time they saw Caylee (if we want to exclude the monday that George claimed to have seen them)?

With all of that as a reminder to the date...how did they make such a hugh mistake of 1 week....I, as a grandparent would have been counting the days that I hadn't seen my daughter or my grandchild...

And if they couldn't remember the date then how can George be so sure that he saw them on the 16th?

I do not believe that George saw them on the 16th, I believe that Casey left the night of the 15th and may have went back when G & C were not at home to get some clothes and to MURDER Caylee....

jmo

[Barbara fl.]

desmom, unfortunately the Anthonys are going to be telling the truth about what went on in their home, in the weeks/days leading up to the death of Caylee. And at this point, if they did decide to "tell," who would even believe that they are telling the truth.

The Anthony all tried to mislead LE. No doubt about that. LE was very quick to realize that Casey was lying, and I think that it took LE just a few days to realize that George and Cindy were also lying to them.

I agree....it became a big cover up right after Casey was released from jail the very first time by Padilla....It seemed that the whole thing turned to saving Casey's A** and poor little Caylee was put on the back burner (so to speak)....and it has remained like that ever since....

I wonder when they will finally give Caylee a decent funeral and put that poor child to rest properly......That memorial was nothing more than another plug for Casey.....

[Barbara fl.]

Who would call 911 for two stolen gas cans...at $10.00 each. That always surprised me.


Well, I can't say that I wouldn't call 911 because it would probably be more so for the fact that someone came onto my property and broke my shed open to steal something.....but just for the fact of it being 2 gas cans, I doubt that I would have went to the trouble for that reason alone....

[Barbara fl.]

I don't know what lengths Cindy would have gone to...she wanted her cake and eat it to just like Casey...she would complain to Casey all the time about getting home and taking care of her daughter...then when Casey and Caylee were gone for more then 3 weeks...she did nothing really to find them...even Cindy's co-workers told her something was up and she needed to check into it or call the police and she failed to do anything...sometimes I think she was glad they were out of the house.

Good morning Rapunzel and welcome to the board,

I believe that Cindy's co-workers advised her to go home and call the police on the day that the car was found with the odor in it...Cindy took their advice and went home but didn't call the police until that evening.....and told LE that she was reporting a stolen car and then after finding Casey with no Caylee and overhearing Lee and Casey talk about Caylee being missing, is when Cindy replaced the 911 call hysterical.....

[Sun]

Ok, listening to George when asked about a timeline. Thanks so much for the link. The question to George was to "when he saw the baby last, or his daughter"

George said that he normally had FRI and SAT off, worked 3-11 Sun-Thurs. According to George, 7:30-8 was George's rising time, and 9-10 is where Casey and Caylee would come out. Caylee and Casey slept together most of the time. Lots of times George said he would be the one giving her breakfast, taking her outside to play, watching TV/DVDs.

[desmom]

George was interviewed on August 4 for the timeline. I don't know how to insert a link...but the webpage address is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y6dAQ9KXCU&feature=related

Thank you. I found the written transcript http://www.docstoc.com/docs/4825322/Casey-Anthony-George-Anthony-interview

I did a quick skim of the written version and George really didn't offer any information about events or dates that were "safe" i.e. the gas can theft, the nursing home visit. When LE tried to get George to give an approximate date, he seemed to dance around their questions.

jmo

[Barbara fl.]

As much as Cindy says now that she believes everything Casey told her, I bet she really didn't believe squat. I bet there were threats to each other every phone conversation, until Casey stopped taking any of her calls. Then it was all texts.

There is no doubt in my mind that both Cindy and George never believed one word of what Casey was saying.....they were hoping against hope that the were wrong....but they knew Caylee was gone the minute the car was found and Caylee was not....

But they will never own up to it....they too will take it to their grave...along with Casey.....jmo

[Barbara fl.]

Yes honey I think casey did hate cindy enough to do this just to take Caylee away from c and g. casey loves no one but her self. jmho



I truly believe that Casey did murder Caylee to hurt Cindy......

[ish]

desmom, I have a hard time believing much of what George says in regards to the gas cans. The date is memorialized by the theft report with LE. But, how do we know that the gas cans were returned to the Anthony home in the manner that George described. ....George has lied about so many things, and so I just don't put much weight to what he says.

Tony did finally tell LE that Casey asked him to break the lock off the shed (with his tire iron), so that she could get the gas cans. So, I do believe that the gas cans were in Casey's possession at that point, just not sure how they came to be back in the Anthony home.

I think George told Cindy he called or was going to call the cops about the theft of the gas cans, Cindy and George both suspected Casey took them, George was fed up and determined to do something, Cindy not so much. I believe Cindy figured George would not call and she called Casey to give her a heads up to reurn the cans. George surprised himself by actually calling the police and Casey got there after they had made a report.

[Sun]

I agree....it became a big cover up right after Casey was released from jail the very first time by Padilla....It seemed that the whole thing turned to saving Casey's A** and poor little Caylee was put on the back burner (so to speak)....and it has remained like that ever since....

I wonder when they will finally give Caylee a decent funeral and put that poor child to rest properly......That memorial was nothing more than another plug for Casey.....

Decent funeral? Don't hold your breath. The memorial was a "show" and IMO not proper.

[Barbara fl.]

I think George told Cindy he called or was going to call the cops about the theft of the gas cans, Cindy and George both suspected Casey took them, George was fed up and determined to do something, Cindy not so much. I believe Cindy figured George would not call and she called Casey to give her a heads up to reurn the cans. George surprised himself by actually calling the police and Casey got there after they had made a report.


That sounds right......

[aproudmom]

Good morning desmom! June 10th, 2008 was a Tuesday I think. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

So Casey breaks up with Ricardo, yet still stays and uses his shower even though he's gone to work. ...sounds like kind of a funny way to break up. I almost wonder if Ricardo knew at that point in time?

I doubt it she seemed to keep her ex's all still close for some reason as she moved on to the next one...

[adair]

Cindy sure did. I'd be interested in a little more info on Cindy's Dad's condition and how he was doing on that weekend. Didn't Cindy use the excuse of him not doing at all well, as the reason why she stayed overnight with her mom, or am I confused? Could Cindy have gotten in a huge fight with Casey, and just "ran home to mom?" It's not really all that long a drive to her mom's.


Or maybe both George and kc and Cindy was at the end of her rope with both of them???

[aproudmom]

I think George told Cindy he called or was going to call the cops about the theft of the gas cans, Cindy and George both suspected Casey took them, George was fed up and determined to do something, Cindy not so much. I believe Cindy figured George would not call and she called Casey to give her a heads up to reurn the cans. George surprised himself by actually calling the police and Casey got there after they had made a report.

oh they knew just who took them..I have no doubt they knew

[aproudmom]

BTW Good Morning everyone I know it has been a few weeks since I posted on here been following little Nevaeh's case God bless her we now have one more Angel up there playing with Caylee...:crying:

[adair]

OK...she did do somethings...but IMHO...not much...I think she looked for them about as much as she searched for Caylee after she reported her missing and searched for the real killer after the fact.

I'm sorry, but if this was my grandchild...I would be out there searching everyday...not selling T-shirts and bracelets on the corner. To me Cindy's plea's on TV for Caylee's return were pretty feeble...cause at that point I think she new...in fact I think Cindy and George knew that Caylee was dead when they retrieved the car from the tow yard. At that point they were in denial that then turned to cover-up.

This is true, because when Cin picks up Amy and they go to Tony's appt to find ck, Cindy tells Amy that they didnt know whose body had been in the trunk, Caylee's or kc's. Since kc had been feeding her a line of bs almost on a daily basis, that left one person un accounted for.
An Innocent Baby.

[ish]

That sounds right......

GM Barbara, did you hear Lenny on NG last night, say that when the ladies were being chased by G&C and the Milsteads, they called Lenny and he told them to call the cops? Dang, is Lenny in contact with everyone? No wonder he has a lot of inside info, he must be in everyone's cell phone contact list.

[Sun]

Thank you. I found the written transcript http://www.docstoc.com/docs/4825322/Casey-Anthony-George-Anthony-interview

I did a quick skim of the written version and George really didn't offer any information about events or dates that were "safe" i.e. the gas can theft, the nursing home visit. When LE tried to get George to give an approximate date, he seemed to dance around their questions.

jmo

Yep, George sure did dance around questions. Gave very little info on himself, or his whereabouts, or what HE did. George appeared to have NO MEMORY for any dates, so it's not believeable that he could specifically remember the June 16th date.

[PuffDragon]

Who would call 911 for two stolen gas cans...at $10.00 each. That always surprised me.

When you take into account how often the family members called the police because they couldn't solve their own problems, my take on it is that George knew what happened to the gas cans and had finally decided that the only way he could send a 'stern' message to Casey was to make a police report. I think that was spitting into the wind on his part. There's no evidence that this tactic had ever worked before, Casey had always managed to wriggle out of any tight spots and go on to get her way. The only message she got was that the calling the authorities was a hollow threat. If you don't believe that, note her HUGE surprise when they actually not only took that last 911 phone call seriously but actually arrested her!

So why did George report the theft of the gas cans? For the same reason that Cindy called to report the theft of money and her car when she finally got hold of Casey and couldn't get a straight story out of her as to what had happened to Caylee. It was how they tried to deal with her. Unfortunately neither Cindy or George had ever learned how futile this tactic was.

MO of course.

[desmom]

oh they knew just who took them..I have no doubt they knew

I agree!

When Cindy told Greta, "Yes, we do have a shovel she could have used. But if she was here and we weren't home -- George and I made a decision when we started locking the sheds this year because last year, Caylee wasn't able to do some of the things she can do this year. So we made a conscious effort to lock the sheds. We have three sheds." I said horse hockey! They locked those sheds to stop Casey from stealing the gas.

jmo

[Rapunzel]

oh they knew just who took them..I have no doubt they knew

Yes, I think they both knew...I remember George in one of his interview's said something along the lines that he could tell Casey was putting gas in her car from a can because he could see the gas marks left when one does that (some spillage)...sorry don't have direct quote...but it was something like that...knowing that and then your shed was broken into and the only thing missing is the gas cans...what would your first thought be????

[Sun]

oh they knew just who took them..I have no doubt they knew

I also have no doubt in my mind, that George knew who took his gas cans. The questions that I ask myself is, "what was George hoping to accomplish by reporting this theft to LE?"

[desmom]

Yes, I think they both knew...I remember George in one of his interview's said something along the lines that he could tell Casey was putting gas in her car from a can because he could see the gas marks left when one does that (some spillage)...sorry don't have direct quote...but it was something like that...knowing that and then your shed was broken into and the only thing missing is the gas cans...what would your first thought be????

Here ya go...page 20 - 21 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/4825322/Casey-Anthony-George-Anthony-interview

[MissouriGMom]

Ok, listening to George when asked about a timeline. Thanks so much for the link. The question to George was to "when he saw the baby last, or his daughter"

George said that he normally had FRI and SAT off, worked 3-11 Sun-Thurs. According to George, 7:30-8 was George's rising time, and 9-10 is where Casey and Caylee would come out. Caylee and Casey slept together most of the time. Lots of times George said he would be the one giving her breakfast, taking her outside to play, watching TV/DVDs.

This is exactly why I think G's story about seeing them leave on the 16th is bogus. He didn't say anything about seeing them that morning. He just saw them as they supposedly left at 12:50.

[adair]

GM Barbara, did you hear Lenny on NG last night, say that when the ladies were being chased by G&C and the Milsteads, they called Lenny and he told them to call the cops? Dang, is Lenny in contact with everyone? No wonder he has a lot of inside info, he must be in everyone's cell phone contact list.


Yeah, he is #5 on my speed dial.......JUST KIDDING!!

[Rapunzel]

Here ya go...page 20 - 21 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/4825322/Casey-Anthony-George-Anthony-interview

Thanks Des for the backup!!!

[*MoonRider*]

Ok, listening to George when asked about a timeline. Thanks so much for the link. The question to George was to "when he saw the baby last, or his daughter"

George said that he normally had FRI and SAT off, worked 3-11 Sun-Thurs. According to George, 7:30-8 was George's rising time, and 9-10 is where Casey and Caylee would come out. Caylee and Casey slept together most of the time. Lots of times George said he would be the one giving her breakfast, taking her outside to play, watching TV/DVDs.

GM, I have never known a toddler to sleep that late. My kids were up with the sun. Teenagers are another matter. :rolleyes:

[Rapunzel]

This is exactly why I think G's story about seeing them leave on the 16th is bogus. He didn't say anything about seeing them that morning. He just saw them as they supposedly left at 12:50.

Yeah, I always wondered about that too...he makes it sound like they just appeared from the bedroom at around 12:50 and left...no playing or breakfast for Caylee??? Things that make you go Hummmmmm....

[Sun]

When you take into account how often the family members called the police because they couldn't solve their own problems, my take on it is that George knew what happened to the gas cans and had finally decided that the only way he could send a 'stern' message to Casey was to make a police report. I think that was spitting into the wind on his part. There's no evidence that this tactic had ever worked before, Casey had always managed to wriggle out of any tight spots and go on to get her way. The only message she got was that the calling the authorities was a hollow threat. If you don't believe that, note her HUGE surprise when they actually not only took that last 911 phone call seriously but actually arrested her!

So why did George report the theft of the gas cans? For the same reason that Cindy called to report the theft of money and her car when she finally got hold of Casey and couldn't get a straight story out of her as to what had happened to Caylee. It was how they tried to deal with her. Unfortunately neither Cindy or George had ever learned how futile this tactic was.

MO of course.

You've got some good ideas here. After July 3rd or so, Cindy didn't seem to put forth any effort to locate Casey/Caylee. Only when Cindy had to pay to get the car out of impound, ....and in those first 911 calls Cindy wanted to report Casey for stealing the car and stealing money.

It still sticks in my mind, that Cindy never once searched around in Tony's apt to see if Caylee was there. I don't care how smokey the apt might have been. I just don't believe for one second that she wouldn't have searched the apt, except for the fact that by that time she already knew that Caylee was dead.

[cassidy]

Who would call 911 for two stolen gas cans...at $10.00 each. That always surprised me.

George did. And I think he had a reason. I just can't figure out what it could have been?

JMO

[msgatorslayer]

One year ago today.......June 10, 2008

Casey and Caylee were still at Ricardo’s when he left for work. Casey said she was going to take a shower and take off. http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1643158/Morales-Ricardo---Statement

This is the last time Amy saw Caylee. http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1642949/Huizenga-Amy---Statement

Brian Burner and family, the Anthony’s neighbors, leave for their vacation to Chicago. http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1641640/Brown-Brian---Statement

Text messages between Casey and Amy: http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1772101/AH-and-KC-Text-Messages

Casey to Amy 06/10 6:46 p.m.: So Ric and I are not friends anymore.

Amy to Casey: What happened?

Casey to Amy 06/10 6:57 p.m.: He finally decided to tell me that he loves me.. and unfortunately I'm not there with him anymore. I waited months for this to happen and now that it has I can’t say that he is the only guy I have feelings for. It’s like I have to choose. He’s throwing everything in my face. Ugh.

Casey to Amy 06/10 6:59 p.m.: He wants me to still date him knowing that I’m starting to like Tony. I can’t do that. I’m not that person. I respect him too much to do that.

Amy to Casey: That sucks hun. I’ll call when I get off. I also have to get a new job. New management sucks. I’m think Friday for Jacks.

Casey to Amy 06/10 8:54 p.m.: I'm working all day tomorrow so I’m good for whatever day we can go up to Jville.

Casey to Amy 06/10 9:06 p.m.: Oye! Yeah. We will definitely talk later.

BOLDED by me.

This goes with my theory that Casey had everyone thinking she only needed to go to her 'office' one in a while.

The 10th was a Tues. She'd work all day on Weds and have an extended weekend off to do as she pleased.:rolleyes:

G'morning, all.

[desmom]

BOLDED by me.

This goes with my theory that Casey had everyone thinking she only needed to go to her 'office' one in a while.

The 10th was a Tues. She'd work all day on Weds and have an extended weekend off to do as she pleased.:rolleyes:

G'morning, all.

G'morning Msgatorslayer!

I noticed Casey also used "work" as an excuse to cancel on friends. i.e. Ricardo cooking dinner vs going to Fusians.

jmo

[msgatorslayer]

G'morning Msgatorslayer!

I noticed Casey also used "work" as an excuse to cancel on friends. i.e. Ricardo cooking dinner vs going to Fusians.

jmo

Yeah, she used 'work' to her advantage, or dis-advantage, depending on the situation.

[Sun]

I am ready for a Jury to be picked, and for the trial to start!

I know, the defense will delay, delay, delay and my memory of case details will fade. LOL By the time the trial starts, I'll be more than qualified to sit on the Jury, for I will have forgotten so much about the details.

[ish]

You've got some good ideas here. After July 3rd or so, Cindy didn't seem to put forth any effort to locate Casey/Caylee. Only when Cindy had to pay to get the car out of impound, ....and in those first 911 calls Cindy wanted to report Casey for stealing the car and stealing money.

It still sticks in my mind, that Cindy never once searched around in Tony's apt to see if Caylee was there. I don't care how smokey the apt might have been. I just don't believe for one second that she wouldn't have searched the apt, except for the fact that by that time she already knew that Caylee was dead.

I'd love to know what went on in the car after Cindy and Casey dropped Amy back at her own apt on July 15. We know Cindy kept Casey in the car and drove around to avoid the possiblity that Casey once out of the car would take off. Did Casey say anything other than Caylee was at the nanny's. DId she take Cindy on a wild goose chase like she did with LE? or sit in stony silence while Cindy peppered her with questions.

[msgatorslayer]

Yep, George sure did dance around questions. Gave very little info on himself, or his whereabouts, or what HE did. George appeared to have NO MEMORY for any dates, so it's not believeable that he could specifically remember the June 16th date.

If I was prosecuting this case, in my opening statements I would say "The defendant, Casey Anthony, has managed to convince her parents for over 2 years that she was working, when she was not. Remember that when you listen to their testimony and statements they've given to us."

[Barbara fl.]

GM Barbara, did you hear Lenny on NG last night, say that when the ladies were being chased by G&C and the Milsteads, they called Lenny and he told them to call the cops? Dang, is Lenny in contact with everyone? No wonder he has a lot of inside info, he must be in everyone's cell phone contact list.


He too like all the rest of the vultures for the defense wont let this case down...I believe that Lenny wants a part in the movie.....I keep hearing NG say that Lenny is going to be a witness in this case but I have yet to hear which side he will be a witness for....


He always downs Cindy and Lee but he seems to try and insibuate that the murder was an accident.....so it makes me wonder....

Sometimes I think NG is deliberately not saying....

[desmom]

I'd love to know what went on in the car after Cindy and Casey dropped Amy back at her own apt on July 15. We know Cindy kept Casey in the car and drove around to avoid the possiblity that Casey once out of the car would take off. Did Casey say anything other than Caylee was at the nanny's. DId she take Cindy on a wild goose chase like she did with LE? or sit in stony silence while Cindy peppered her with questions.

It would probably be in code.

Remember this:

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2008/7/25/casey_anthony_calls_home_from_jail.html

Casey: You don’t know what my involvement is and stuff?

Cindy: Casey.

Casey: Mom.

Cindy: What?

Casey: No.

and this from the 9:00 a.m. July 25, 2008 Jail Visit: http://www.wftv.com/video/18205452/index.html

Cindy: We forgive you for anything you that have said, or done.

Casey: I haven't said anything. Don't worry.


O/T - Has anyone seen Scampi?

[msgatorslayer]

BTW Good Morning everyone I know it has been a few weeks since I posted on here been following little Nevaeh's case God bless her we now have one more Angel up there playing with Caylee...:crying:

NG gave a smack down to that Mommy the other night.:w00t:

I haven't seen her like that since the Melinda Duckett interview.

[Barbara fl.]

It would probably be in code.

Remember this:

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2008/7/25/casey_anthony_calls_home_from_jail.html

Casey: You don’t know what my involvement is and stuff?

Cindy: Casey.

Casey: Mom.

Cindy: What?

Casey: No.

and this from the 9:00 a.m. July 25, 2008 Jail Visit: http://www.wftv.com/video/18205452/index.html

Cindy: We forgive you for anything you that have said, or done.

Casey: I haven't said anything. Don't worry.



I still believe that when Cindy told Casey that she forgave her for what she said that she was talking about the stories about George and Lee trying to molest Casey.....it was around the same time that a friend of Casey stated that Casey had told her that her father had made an advance toward her and also that Lee tried to have sex with her.....

But Casey, probably not knowing that this was repeated by a friend, thought that Cindy was somehow referring to her saying something about the case.....

Therefore it is my conclusion that Casey once again %^&$# up....:biggrin:

[Barbara fl.]

NG gave a smack down to that Mommy the other night.:w00t:

I haven't seen her like that since the Melinda Duckett interview.




I guess she just couldn't refrain herself any longer....it looked as though she felt real good after doing it also....:biggrin:

[Barbara fl.]

I agree!

When Cindy told Greta, "Yes, we do have a shovel she could have used. But if she was here and we weren't home -- George and I made a decision when we started locking the sheds this year because last year, Caylee wasn't able to do some of the things she can do this year. So we made a conscious effort to lock the sheds. We have three sheds." I said horse hockey! They locked those sheds to stop Casey from stealing the gas.

jmo


Exactly....Caylee would not have been in the back yard alone at 2 in anycase....I'm sure someone was always out there with her....

I agree, they locked the doors because of Casey.....

[Barbara fl.]

If I was prosecuting this case, in my opening statements I would say "The defendant, Casey Anthony, has managed to convince her parents for over 2 years that she was working, when she was not. Remember that when you listen to their testimony and statements they've given to us."


Great for openers....:lol:

[Sun]

If I was prosecuting this case, in my opening statements I would say "The defendant, Casey Anthony, has managed to convince her parents for over 2 years that she was working, when she was not. Remember that when you listen to their testimony and statements they've given to us."

LOL.... Good one! Drive it home to the Jury, that Casey has been a liar for a long, long time. And, also give the Jury the message and George and Cindy aren't very bright or observant.

[desmom]

Question: Casey has not been found guilty of the bank theft charges. Will the prosecution be able to show Casey's shopping trip videos when "she was looking for Caylee?"

IMO, the buying of groceries, clothing and beer do not show a mother in panic over her missing daughter.

TIA

[Rapunzel]

LOL.... Good one! Drive it home to the Jury, that Casey has been a liar for a long, long time. And, also give the Jury the message and George and Cindy aren't very bright or observant.


That shouldn't be to hard...:lol::lol::lol:

[Lapis]

Question: Casey has not been found guilty of the bank theft charges. Will the prosecution be able to show Casey's shopping trip videos when "she was looking for Caylee?"

IMO, the buying of groceries, clothing and beer do not show a mother in panic over her missing daughter.

TIA

IMO they will be admissible. They are not being shown to demonstrate her thefts but rather her demeanor and the things she was purchasing. They probably will not be able to mention that the money being used for the purchases was not her own.

[Rapunzel]

Question: Casey has not been found guilty of the bank theft charges. Will the prosecution be able to show Casey's shopping trip videos when "she was looking for Caylee?"

IMO, the buying of groceries, clothing and beer do not show a mother in panic over her missing daughter.

TIA

That is the ugly coping we've heard about...what a bunch of crap!!!!!

[Sun]

Question: Casey has not been found guilty of the bank theft charges. Will the prosecution be able to show Casey's shopping trip videos when "she was looking for Caylee?"

IMO, the buying of groceries, clothing and beer do not show a mother in panic over her missing daughter.

TIA

I don't know. Maybe a legal expert will help us with this one. Casey's got lots of different charges against her, and I wonder if they'll do "just" the murder charges first, and then try her again if needed for the other charges. (if she gets life or LWOP, it seems like a waste of time/money to try her on id theft/check fraud).

Maybe the videos could come into evidence, to show Casey's activities during the time that she stated that she was looking for Caylee. Casey's statement to LE did include Casey saying that she would "lie, steal, etc" so I could see maybe where these might fit in.

Do I think that these videos provide evidence that Casey killed Caylee. No.

Buying beer, sunglasses, clothing, and lots of food. Yes.

[desmom]

IMO they will be admissible. They are not being shown to demonstrate her thefts but rather her demeanor and the things she was purchasing. They probably will not be able to mention that the money being used for the purchases was not her own.

That is good news. I was afraid they would not be admissible because they show Casey forging checks.

No mention of the theft, the tapes will be admissible (in your opinion, of course.)

Thank you for responding.

[Sun]

IMO they will be admissible. They are not being shown to demonstrate her thefts but rather her demeanor and the things she was purchasing. They probably will not be able to mention that the money being used for the purchases was not her own.

Ah, you posted exactly what I was wondering about! Thanks!

[Rapunzel]

I don't know. Maybe a legal expert will help us with this one. Casey's got lots of different charges against her, and I wonder if they'll do "just" the murder charges first, and then try her again if needed for the other charges. (if she gets life or LWOP, it seems like a waste of time/money to try her on id theft/check fraud).

Maybe the videos could come into evidence, to show Casey's activities during the time that she stated that she was looking for Caylee. Casey's statement to LE did include Casey saying that she would "lie, steal, etc" so I could see maybe where these might fit in.

Do I think that these videos provide evidence that Casey killed Caylee. No.

Buying beer, sunglasses, clothing, and lots of food. Yes.

Well she had to eat ya know...and she needed special clothing for searching and the sun was really bright...Gezzz...give the girl a break...:lol::lol::lol:

[EverMoth]

This is true, because when Cin picks up Amy and they go to Tony's appt to find ck, Cindy tells Amy that they didnt know whose body had been in the trunk, Caylee's or kc's. Since kc had been feeding her a line of bs almost on a daily basis, that left one person un accounted for.
An Innocent Baby.

my bold

I had not heard this! Cindy, in her conversation with Amy, actually talked about WHO was DEAD in the trunk? So when Cindy found the car she knew a dead body either was or had been in the trunk but she didn't, at that time, know whether it was Casey or Caylee? Why on God's green earth would she have NOT called LE when she found the car. I had thought she knew it was Caylee and the cover up started then but, if she also thought it could possibly have been Casey, how could she have gone back to work?

What person, who hasn't had contact with their daughter and granddaughter and discovers their car, previously abandoned and smelling like death, wouldn't call LE? That is beyond strange.

[Rapunzel]

my bold

I had not heard this! Cindy, in her conversation with Amy, actually talked about WHO was DEAD in the trunk? So when Cindy found the car she knew a dead body either was or had been in the trunk but she didn't, at that time, know whether it was Casey or Caylee? Why on God's green earth would she have NOT called LE when she found the car. I had thought she knew it was Caylee and the cover up started then but, if she also thought it could possibly have been Casey, how could she have gone back to work?

What person, who hasn't had contact with their daughter and granddaughter and discovers their car, previously abandoned and smelling like death, wouldn't call LE? That is beyond strange.

That's why I say they knew when they picked up the car at the tow yard...Cindy had talked to Casey on the phone on many days...so they knew most likely it wasn't her...that leaves Caylee...I have said from the get go that they should have called 911 right then and there...but no Georgie drove the car home in the pouring rain with the windows down because the smell was so bad...got the car home...put in into the garage...take the battery out????...roll down all the windows to air it out...prolly Fabrezed the heck out of it...cleaned it out...Cindy washed the pants...blah...blah...blah...cover up from day 31!!!!!!!!!

[martha]

I think the tapes will be brough in to show she was not looking for caylee at target and groc store and bank. not to show she was stealing. it will just show she was going about her bus as us.and not worried about caylee and not looking for caylee.jmho

[101Spots]

my bold

I had not heard this! Cindy, in her conversation with Amy, actually talked about WHO was DEAD in the trunk? So when Cindy found the car she knew a dead body either was or had been in the trunk but she didn't, at that time, know whether it was Casey or Caylee? Why on God's green earth would she have NOT called LE when she found the car. I had thought she knew it was Caylee and the cover up started then but, if she also thought it could possibly have been Casey, how could she have gone back to work?

What person, who hasn't had contact with their daughter and granddaughter and discovers their car, previously abandoned and smelling like death, wouldn't call LE? That is beyond strange.

[Theme from the Twilight Zone playing in the background.]

Have a seat. You have just entered the Anthony Zone, a universe unlike any other.

[martha]

That's why I say they knew when they picked up the car at the tow yard...Cindy had talked to Casey on the phone on many days...so they knew most likely it wasn't her...that leaves Caylee...I have said from the get go that they should have called 911 right then and there...but no Georgie drove the car home in the pouring rain with the windows down because the smell was so bad...got the car home...put in into the garage...take the battery out????...roll down all the windows to air it out...prolly Fabrezed the heck out of it...cleaned it out...Cindy washed the pants...blah...blah...blah...cover up from day 31!!!!!!!!!You or so right they knew from day 31 so did lee. jmho

[jammies]

You've got some good ideas here. After July 3rd or so, Cindy didn't seem to put forth any effort to locate Casey/Caylee. Only when Cindy had to pay to get the car out of impound, ....and in those first 911 calls Cindy wanted to report Casey for stealing the car and stealing money.

It still sticks in my mind, that Cindy never once searched around in Tony's apt to see if Caylee was there. I don't care how smokey the apt might have been. I just don't believe for one second that she wouldn't have searched the apt, except for the fact that by that time she already knew that Caylee was dead.



BINGO. For me, Cindy not checking Tony's apartment is HUGE. How did she know Caylee wasn't there? Why didn't she at least search for EVIDENCE of Caylee? clothes, shoes, etc. Why didn't she ASK the boys if they knew where Caylee was?

If she were really frantic for an alive Caylee she would have torn through that apt. like a bat out of he**.

[jammies]

[Theme from the Twilight Zone playing in the background.]

Have a seat. You have just entered the Anthony Zone, a universe unlike any other.


Scares me to think there are others like them out there. :scared:

[ish]

I don't know. Maybe a legal expert will help us with this one. Casey's got lots of different charges against her, and I wonder if they'll do "just" the murder charges first, and then try her again if needed for the other charges. (if she gets life or LWOP, it seems like a waste of time/money to try her on id theft/check fraud).

Maybe the videos could come into evidence, to show Casey's activities during the time that she stated that she was looking for Caylee. Casey's statement to LE did include Casey saying that she would "lie, steal, etc" so I could see maybe where these might fit in.

Do I think that these videos provide evidence that Casey killed Caylee. No.

Buying beer, sunglasses, clothing, and lots of food. Yes.

plus the fact that Caylee is nowhere in sight.

[Pruddennce]

brought over....

06-10-2009, 12:56 AM
crimeq
Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 3,280

Uh Oh

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Cindy knew all the names of these non-existant people. She was covering from the very beginning. This whole story was MADE UP.

quoted from her interivew:

CA: Oh, I'm not gonna walk out without my purse. Women don't leave their purses in cars or other places. Bottom line is one of these days, I always thought it was a wednesday but whatever day he filed the report. But I thought the 24th was a wednesday too so...anyway this is, it ended up being the day they were coming back from Tampa, the 27th. I remember because I got a phone call form Casey in the afternoon they were going straight back to work. Juliette and her needed to check in because they had been off all week. They'd been communicating with Tom, Tom Frank, her boss at the event coordinating place. Later I thought for sure when I got home they would be home but I found out later that she said Jeff was in town,...Jacksonville...
LE: Last name Hopkins, Jeff Hopkins?
CA: The one who introduced her to Zanny
LE: Did you see him or meet up with him at all?
CA: No

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coverup. the story was a story Casey told her, but Cindy found out on July 3rd, it wasnt true about Jacksonville: she sent Lee out to track her down which he did....she was local, on July 3rd.

He 'claims' he never met up with Casey, however, he is a liar as well.

Cindy did not tell LE she knew Casey was lying about Jacksonville. Cindy chose to tell LE "what Casey told her' as opposed to telling LE WHAT SHE ACTUALLY FOUND OUT on July 3rd.

these people are horrific.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[GIGI4256]

I am ready for a Jury to be picked, and for the trial to start!

I know, the defense will delay, delay, delay and my memory of case details will fade. LOL By the time the trial starts, I'll be more than qualified to sit on the Jury, for I will have forgotten so much about the details.

See, that's what I don't understand about the defense. If they are so sure that their client is innocent, why let her sit in jail. Get the trial going so she can go home if she is so innocent. Why isn't KC demanding a speedy trial so she can get out?

[msgatorslayer]

Scares me to think there are others like them out there. :scared:

I used to know people just like them. X-neighbors, thankfully. Liars, all of them. Thieves. And sticking together to cover-up.

[summer]

I can't even imagine how it felt to be law enforcement in the first days of this travesty. When the depravity of this family started to dawn on them. Imagine. Not one single person told one single truth. Even for seasoned detectives it must've been shockingly nauseating.

[ish]

BINGO. For me, Cindy not checking Tony's apartment is HUGE. How did she know Caylee wasn't there? Why didn't she at least search for EVIDENCE of Caylee? clothes, shoes, etc. Why didn't she ASK the boys if they knew where Caylee was?

If she were really frantic for an alive Caylee she would have torn through that apt. like a bat out of he**.

I'm thinking Amy must have told her that Caylee was nowhere around, she picked AMy up at the Florida Mall and drove her back to TonE's apartment, cause Amy said that is where Casey is staying. I'm sure convo must have taken place about Caylee. My thought is that AMy spilled the beans that Caylee was supposedly with the babysitter or with the grandparents per Casey right up to that time.

[breezie]

See, that's what I don't understand about the defense. If they are so sure that their client is innocent, why let her sit in jail. Get the trial going so she can go home if she is so innocent. Why isn't KC demanding a speedy trial so she can get out?

Cause they know that county jail is as cushy as life is going to be for Casey. She stays there until trial. After trial, big girl prison.

[Rapunzel]

plus the fact that Caylee is nowhere in sight.


Zanny had her don't ya know!

[Sun]

BINGO. For me, Cindy not checking Tony's apartment is HUGE. How did she know Caylee wasn't there? Why didn't she at least search for EVIDENCE of Caylee? clothes, shoes, etc. Why didn't she ASK the boys if they knew where Caylee was?

If she were really frantic for an alive Caylee she would have torn through that apt. like a bat out of he**.

That's my opinion too. Cindy was becoming unglued and wanted to be taken to Caylee. She already knew that a dead Caylee wouldn't be found in Tony's apt. Cindy already knew.

[Katprint]

Yes, I think they both knew...I remember George in one of his interview's said something along the lines that he could tell Casey was putting gas in her car from a can because he could see the gas marks left when one does that (some spillage)...sorry don't have direct quote...but it was something like that...knowing that and then your shed was broken into and the only thing missing is the gas cans...what would your first thought be????
At our old house, when our shed was broken into the thieves took ALL MY HUSBAND'S TOOLS and ignored things like gas cans, paint cans, etc. A stranger wouldn't know how old that gasoline was and whether it was any good anymore. Also, for the volume it takes up, gasoline just isn't that valuable. Tools are more compact, more valuable, and can be pawned or sold at swapmeets. A thief who was a stranger would have stolen the tools; the gas cans would only be stolen by a thief who was very familiar with the Anthonys and who really needed gas.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Postergeist]

That's why I say they knew when they picked up the car at the tow yard...Cindy had talked to Casey on the phone on many days...so they knew most likely it wasn't her...that leaves Caylee...I have said from the get go that they should have called 911 right then and there...but no Georgie drove the car home in the pouring rain with the windows down because the smell was so bad...got the car home...put in into the garage...take the battery out????...roll down all the windows to air it out...prolly Fabrezed the heck out of it...cleaned it out...Cindy washed the pants...blah...blah...blah...cover up from day 31!!!!!!!!!

Exactly! Cindy admits in interviews that she had talked, texted -

been in communication daily with her daughter-

so it wasn't her 2 year old granddaughter replying to her text messages, it wasn't any of Casey's friends or faux nanny texting to Cindy- so if she is receiving electronic communications from her daughter- then neither George or Cindy should've ever had the thought cross their mind that Casey's body would be in the trunk!

I agree- cover up from day 31!


(I have wondered- since it's closing in on a year now- if strangely enough the family are pondering the idea that Casey will be celebrating a one year anniversary of sticking with one relationship with a man- her lawyer!)

The smell in the trunk had to be terrible- this week I experienced how bad a very small mouse in a trash can wrapped in plastic was- and the flies that were in the container.

And yet that family doesn't want to accept the fact that the last physical memory they have of their granddaughter was their olfactory glands experiencing what their daughter had done by placing her little body in the trunk.

Poor sweet Caylee- sad what disrespect she had in her short life and in her death.

imo

[jammies]

I used to know people just like them. X-neighbors, thankfully. Liars, all of them. Thieves. And sticking together to cover-up.


we had x-neighbors that were the same. Couldn't tell you the time of day w/o lying. Grandma, Uncle, Mom, Dad and their twins. To this day I wonder about their poor little twins. Sadly, they will grow up to be just like the rest of the clan. :sad:

[jammies]

I'm thinking Amy must have told her that Caylee was nowhere around, she picked AMy up at the Florida Mall and drove her back to TonE's apartment, cause Amy said that is where Casey is staying. I'm sure convo must have taken place about Caylee. My thought is that AMy spilled the beans that Caylee was supposedly with the babysitter or with the grandparents per Casey right up to that time.


Yes, but Cindy KNEW there was no Zanny. She knew Casey's stories were total bs. Cindy didn't have Caylee, she knew there was no nanny so what the heck was she thinking?

[Unleashed]

That shouldn't be to hard...:lol::lol::lol:

Not hard at all! They do a fine job all by themselves every time they open their mouths.

JMO

[summer]

I want these people exposed in the worst way. But I wonder if only snippets of interviews and outbursts are shown during the trial if the jurors will chalk the hand family's actions up to "grief" or "denial", giving them the benefit of the doubt.

I hope the prosecution shows it all -- or nothing. I don't know how the strategy plays into convicting the spawn from hell -- I just hope there's no tip-toeing around these grifters and liars. This family needs to be shown who they are!

[Rapunzel]

I used to know people just like them. X-neighbors, thankfully. Liars, all of them. Thieves. And sticking together to cover-up.

Liars, sociopaths and thieves...oh my!!!

[summer]

Ack. See, I'm getting upset after only a few comments on this board. I can't talk about this case without my head exploding. I'll be back when I calm down. Thanks for the nice welcome yesterday, beautiful people.

[msgatorslayer]

At our old house, when our shed was broken into the thieves took ALL MY HUSBAND'S TOOLS and ignored things like gas cans, paint cans, etc. A stranger wouldn't know how old that gasoline was and whether it was any good anymore. Also, for the volume it takes up, gasoline just isn't that valuable. Tools are more compact, more valuable, and can be pawned or sold at swapmeets. A thief who was a stranger would have stolen the tools; the gas cans would only be stolen by a thief who was very familiar with the Anthonys and who really needed gas.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Exactly!!! Stealing gas is something you'd expect from, maybe a teenager. Or anyone who doesn't have money to purchase their own.

Casey was taking gas here and there, thinking nobody would notice. If she started stealing lawn mowers and saws [which would give her much more money to actually pay for gas] , that would be a red flag.

[Rapunzel]

Exactly! Cindy admits in interviews that she had talked, texted -

been in communication daily with her daughter-

so it wasn't her 2 year old granddaughter replying to her text messages, it wasn't any of Casey's friends or faux nanny texting to Cindy- so if she is receiving electronic communications from her daughter- then neither George or Cindy should've ever had the thought cross their mind that Casey's body would be in the trunk!

I agree- cover up from day 31!


(I have wondered- since it's closing in on a year now- if strangely enough the family are pondering the idea that Casey will be celebrating a one year anniversary of sticking with one relationship with a man- her lawyer!)

The smell in the trunk had to be terrible- this week I experienced how bad a very small mouse in a trash can wrapped in plastic was- and the flies that were in the container.

And yet that family doesn't want to accept the fact that the last physical memory they have of their granddaughter was their olfactory glands experiencing what their daughter had done by placing her little body in the trunk.

Poor sweet Caylee- sad what disrespect she had in her short life and in her death.

imo


Yes, and I hope that LE covered that car good...air sealed...hope it still smells when this goes to trial and take the jurors to smell it....and I hope that smell stays with Cindy and George and haunts them for the rest of their lives!!!!!!!!!!:cursing::cursing::cursing:

[Postergeist]

See, that's what I don't understand about the defense. If they are so sure that their client is innocent, why let her sit in jail. Get the trial going so she can go home if she is so innocent. Why isn't KC demanding a speedy trial so she can get out?

Part of me thinks that Casey likes where she's at- I think she's washed her hands of the family- where would she stay if she was out awaiting her trial?

Last I heard- Lee moved back in with his parents- I don't think she wants to be in that house- what friends would put her up?

I don't even think her granny would have her in her home (after all- she stole from her) so that leaves who- the folks that have sent her money for her grub and glam products or could she be allowed to stay in her attorney's home? The Milsteads? Or did I read somewhere that the Milsteads are also squatting at the Anthonys?

:confused:

[Sun]

I'm thinking Amy must have told her that Caylee was nowhere around, she picked AMy up at the Florida Mall and drove her back to TonE's apartment, cause Amy said that is where Casey is staying. I'm sure convo must have taken place about Caylee. My thought is that AMy spilled the beans that Caylee was supposedly with the babysitter or with the grandparents per Casey right up to that time.

Cindy had only just met Amy. While it's possible that Amy might have said that Casey told her that Caylee was with the nanny, why would Cindy believe that? (Casey had been telling Cindy a tale of the nanny getting in accident, etc.... nanny wouldn't really have been in any shape to be watching a 2 yr old if she was recovering from a car accident). And, Casey was telling Cindy that they were with Jeff at his families house in (?Jacksonville?).

With the detail that Cindy tells stories, I sometimes wonder if the stories are stories that Cindy has thought up. LOL

[Rapunzel]

Exactly!!! Stealing gas is something you'd expect from, maybe a teenager. Or anyone who doesn't have money to purchase their own.

Casey was taking gas here and there, thinking nobody would notice. If she started stealing lawn mowers and saws [which would give her much more money to actually pay for gas] , that would be a red flag.

Cindy says there were no red flags....Cindy said that was a red flag...which one is it Cindy???????

She wouldn't know a red flag if it jumped up and bit her!!!

[ish]

brought over....

06-10-2009, 12:56 AM
crimeq
Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 3,280

Uh Oh

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Cindy knew all the names of these non-existant people. She was covering from the very beginning. This whole story was MADE UP.

quoted from her interivew:

CA: Oh, I'm not gonna walk out without my purse. Women don't leave their purses in cars or other places. Bottom line is one of these days, I always thought it was a wednesday but whatever day he filed the report. But I thought the 24th was a wednesday too so...anyway this is, it ended up being the day they were coming back from Tampa, the 27th. I remember because I got a phone call form Casey in the afternoon they were going straight back to work. Juliette and her needed to check in because they had been off all week. They'd been communicating with Tom, Tom Frank, her boss at the event coordinating place. Later I thought for sure when I got home they would be home but I found out later that she said Jeff was in town,...Jacksonville...
LE: Last name Hopkins, Jeff Hopkins?
CA: The one who introduced her to Zanny
LE: Did you see him or meet up with him at all?
CA: No

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coverup. the story was a story Casey told her, but Cindy found out on July 3rd, it wasnt true about Jacksonville: she sent Lee out to track her down which he did....she was local, on July 3rd.

He 'claims' he never met up with Casey, however, he is a liar as well.

Cindy did not tell LE she knew Casey was lying about Jacksonville. Cindy chose to tell LE "what Casey told her' as opposed to telling LE WHAT SHE ACTUALLY FOUND OUT on July 3rd.

these people are horrific.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

Cindy spent most of her interview repeating Caseys lies practically word for word, acting as if they were the truth. that interview lasted a couple of hours and she went on and on with nonsense that she knew was untrue, analyzing and interpreting each bit of BS.

What nags at me the most is Cindy's total lack of urgency about Caylee and her whereabouts. COnsidering her panicked call to 911 about having to find her GD, her demeanor in the interviews is so laid back, it's kind of creepy. She looks over the timeline and scratches her head and plays with her sandals, you would never think this woman is frantic over not seeing her GD for 6 weeks. It was like she was enjoying the fact that these detectives where asking her advice and counsel on things, that she was the center of attention, very similar to Casey in her interview after the Grand Jury handed down it's indictment. Calm, cool, collected .

[jammies]

I want these people exposed in the worst way. But I wonder if only snippets of interviews and outbursts are shown during the trial if the jurors will chalk the hand family's actions up to "grief" or "denial", giving them the benefit of the doubt.

I hope the prosecution shows it all -- or nothing. I don't know how the strategy plays into convicting the spawn from hell -- I just hope there's no tip-toeing around these grifters and liars. This family needs to be shown who they are!


I talked to my neighbor from Trumbull county last week about this case. Asked her did she follow along and if she knew the A's. She didn't know them, but said she felt sorry for them. I tried to set her straight as she wasn't up to speed on all their shenanigans.
I hope the good people of Orlando are paying attention and are as outraged as we are.

ETA: she also said "Well, they are from Niles and all sorts of bad things go on there". lol

[Rapunzel]

Cindy had only just met Amy. While it's possible that Amy might have said that Casey told her that Caylee was with the nanny, why would Cindy believe that? (Casey had been telling Cindy a tale of the nanny getting in accident, etc.... nanny wouldn't really have been in any shape to be watching a 2 yr old if she was recovering from a car accident). And, Casey was telling Cindy that they were with Jeff at his families house in (?Jacksonville?).

With the detail that Cindy tells stories, I sometimes wonder if the stories are stories that Cindy has thought up. LOL

It was Cindy who wrote the script...IMO

[saywhat04]

I had to chuckle over Casey to Amy 06/10 6:57 p.m.: He finally decided to tell me that he loves me.. and unfortunately I'm not there with him anymore. I waited months for this to happen.....

Ricardo told LE they started dating the beginning of February and it lasted to mid-April. After that, I get the impression Ricardo was the boyfriend-in-need. When Casey needed a boyfriend, she showed up or called Ricardo. IMO, Ricardo telling Casey he loved her may have been said in the heat of the moment....if you get my drift.

Hello Casey, that was lust, not love! jmo

Also, she said she'd been waiting "months" to hear him tell her that. Months? They dated how long? All of 10 weeks? :rolleyes:

[Postergeist]

Yes, and I hope that LE covered that car good...air sealed...hope it still smells when this goes to trial and take the jurors to smell it....and I hope that smell stays with Cindy and George and haunts them for the rest of their lives!!!!!!!!!!:cursing::cursing::cursing:

I forget which poster said it months ago- about George has a fixation about smells- recalling about how he mentioned during that CMA promo for their daughter (that was held in the church) that he missed the smell of Caylee's sweat.

huh?!

These folks say odd things, do odd things, believe bizarre things- bizarro.

I don't know if any of them are capable of feeling any sort of remorse, regret or even feeling "haunted" or tortured by anything. I've seen alot of callous behavior- imo- throwing out, vandalizing, dismantling what amounts to funerary items that acknowledged their granddaughter- the pushing, shoving, cussing, threats...

it just doesn't seem like they have allowed the Comforter to enter into their hearts in the past 12 months.

imo

[EverMoth]

[Theme from the Twilight Zone playing in the background.]

Have a seat. You have just entered the Anthony Zone, a universe unlike any other.



LOL. Now ain't THAT the truth? If it were not such an absolute tragedy with the death of a little angel, this would be an extremely interesting study in the human behavior of sociopathic/narcissistic/deviant people.

[Pruddennce]

BINGO. For me, Cindy not checking Tony's apartment is HUGE. How did she know Caylee wasn't there? Why didn't she at least search for EVIDENCE of Caylee? clothes, shoes, etc. Why didn't she ASK the boys if they knew where Caylee was?

If she were really frantic for an alive Caylee she would have torn through that apt. like a bat out of he**.

precisely. Cindy's focus was to humiliate Casey in front of Tony and his roommate "you better have a lot of money'!

Casey already told her she wasnt there, you can bet on it thru texts...we havent seen all of the phone records between them....MO

she chooses to 'believe' the liar and thief, which puts Caylee second in the pecking order....you are right..no effort to gather up Caylee's belongings...but tells Casey to get her things, which Casey doesnt do, she doesnt even take her cell phone.

and doesnt ask where is Caylee's things. nothing about Caylee. Cindy already knew that Jeff H was not her boyfriend and she wasnt in Jacksonville. Cindy lied to LE about 'what she knew'.


horrific.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

[Rapunzel]

I forget which poster said it months ago- about George has a fixation about smells- recalling about how he mentioned during that CMA promo for their daughter (that was held in the church) that he missed the smell of Caylee's sweat.

huh?!

These folks say odd things, do odd things, believe bizarre things- bizarro.

I don't know if any of them are capable of feeling any sort of remorse, regret or even feeling "haunted" or tortured by anything. I've seen alot of callous behavior- imo- throwing out, vandalizing, dismantling what amounts to funerary items that acknowledged their granddaughter- the pushing, shoving, cussing, threats...

it just doesn't seem like they have allowed the Comforter to enter into their hearts in the past 12 months.

imo

So true...they have shut out everything but the truth...including poor little Caylee who loved them so much...precious angel...:sad::sad::sad:

[ish]

Yes, but Cindy KNEW there was no Zanny. She knew Casey's stories were total bs. Cindy didn't have Caylee, she knew there was no nanny so what the heck was she thinking?

Cindy said she had heard the name Zanny for a long time, George too. George said Casey told him on the last day he saw Caylee that Casey said she was going to work and they would crash at Zanny's that night and be home the next day.

Cindy had been speaking with and texting Casey for the 30 days, Casey told her all about the car accident with Zanny and staying at the hotel to help her recover, and driving to get the insurance card for Zanny. She ate up all those stories for the 30 days, when did she stop believing in Zanny?

[Sun]

Cindy spent most of her interview repeating Caseys lies practically word for word, acting as if they were the truth. that interview lasted a couple of hours and she went on and on with nonsense that she knew was untrue, analyzing and interpreting each bit of BS.

Almost as if she made the stories up herself! Has Casey ever come out and told these stories through txtmsgs (I think some to friends, right?) or interviews? Or have we just heard them from Cindy.

[Libertie]

We know the cadaver odor, for lack of a better word, permeates everything surrounding it.... clothes, carpet, floors, etc. We know CA washed Casey's clothes that were found in her car and we know Casey showered at a suspect time, can't recall that now. That particular odor is very difficult, if not impossible, to remove. Why, then, did Casey not have that odor in her skin, hair, etc., even after showering? Simple showering would not remove the odor once it permeates the skin. I know this for a fact from someone who is an officer in the real estate trust department of a well known bank. When they had to clear out a property in which someone had died, they had to literally destroy the clothes they were wearing and they said they could smell the odor on their body for days afterward. This to me is a real puzzle. Why did no one notice that odor on Casey? What are your ideas?

[saywhat04]

Gee, I really shouldn't be re-listening to Cindy's LE interviews.

After just finishing part 2 where Cindy discussed the paternity of Caylee, and such, I feel something very disturbing. I just wonder what lengths would Cindy have gone to, to prevent "anyone" (even Casey) from taking Caylee away from her. Was this something that Casey already felt, and Casey just killed Caylee to prevent Cindy from ending up with Caylee? Could Casey have hated Cindy that much?

The dysfunction in the Anthony family is so disturbing.

According to Shirley Plesea's observation, it's entirely possible Casey "hated her mother more than she loved Caylee." (Paraphrased since I'm not sure of the exact quote by Mrs. Plesea.)

Bolding mine ...

I used to take some serious heat on this board, back in the early days of the case, for even suggesting the dysfunction of the entire family was of crucial importance in discovering what happened to Caylee, and why it might have happened.

I got hammered for not focusing solely on Casey. But it was actually Cindy's bizarre, offensive behavior on the morning TV shows that drew me to the case. Almost from day 31, I couldn't discount the bizarre, manipulative, deceitful behavior of the whole immediate A family as having a role in Caylee's disappearance.

[Postergeist]

<snipped> (Casey had been telling Cindy a tale of the nanny getting in accident, etc.... nanny wouldn't really have been in any shape to be watching a 2 yr old if she was recovering from a car accident). And, Casey was telling Cindy that they were with Jeff at his families house in (?Jacksonville?).

With the detail that Cindy tells stories, I sometimes wonder if the stories are stories that Cindy has thought up. LOL

I'd be concerned if someone with a broken arm and who had sustained a head injury that needed stitches being the primary caregiver of toddler! And with Cindy being a nurse- good grief! That should've prompted her to tell her daughter something like- let me make arrangements so your poor nanny won't be burdened...

[margaritaville]

NG gave a smack down to that Mommy the other night.:w00t:

I haven't seen her like that since the Melinda Duckett interview.


I thought the exact same thing while I was watching it....

And then they showed her taking off the mic and hightailing it out of there.....
Nope she wasn's answering ANY more questions by Nancy.....

She was pizzed off!!

[Sun]

6/8/2009 A OBJECTION TO AMENDED MOTION FOR APPLICATION FOR SUBPOENA DUCES TECUM AND MOTION FOR PROTECTIVE ORDER
6/9/2009 A MOTION TO STRIKE DOMINIC CASEY'S MOTION FOR PROTECTIVE ORDER

New entries on the Clerk of Courts files for the Criminal Case.

[101Spots]

precisely. Cindy's focus was to humiliate Casey in front of Tony and his roommate "you better have a lot of money'!

Casey already told her she wasnt there, you can bet on it thru texts...we havent seen all of the phone records between them....MO

she chooses to 'believe' the liar and thief, which puts Caylee second in the pecking order....you are right..no effort to gather up Caylee's belongings...but tells Casey to get her things, which Casey doesnt do, she doesnt even take her cell phone.

and doesnt ask where is Caylee's things. nothing about Caylee. Cindy already knew that Jeff H was not her boyfriend and she wasnt in Jacksonville. Cindy lied to LE about 'what she knew'.


horrific.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence...*

Ah, yes, Jeff of the Tiffany ring. What's the deal with this ring? Any ideas?

[jammies]

Cindy said she had heard the name Zanny for a long time, George too. George said Casey told him on the last day he saw Caylee that Casey said she was going to work and they would crash at Zanny's that night and be home the next day.

Cindy had been speaking with and texting Casey for the 30 days, Casey told her all about the car accident with Zanny and staying at the hotel to help her recover, and driving to get the insurance card for Zanny. She ate up all those stories for the 30 days, when did she stop believing in Zanny?


I just don't believe for one second that Cindy and GA bought her Zanny the Nanny stories. She was at home during the day, usually with GA, and "worked" at night while they babysat. Cindy may be lots of things but she's no fool. Now George.............:laugh:

[bchand]

Also, she said she'd been waiting "months" to hear him tell her that. Months? They dated how long? All of 10 weeks? :rolleyes:

GMTA saywhat. Same as she was starting to "like" Tony. She was sleeping with him, but "just starting to like him."

[Sun]

According to Shirley Plesea's observation, it's entirely possible Casey "hated her mother more than she loved Caylee." (Paraphrased since I'm not sure of the exact quote by Mrs. Plesea.)

Bolding mine ...

I used to take some serious heat on this board, back in the early days of the case, for even suggesting the dysfunction of the entire family was of crucial importance in discovering what happened to Caylee, and why it might have happened.

I got hammered for not focusing solely on Casey. But it was actually Cindy's bizarre, offensive behavior on the morning TV shows that drew me to the case. Almost from day 31, I couldn't discount the bizarre, manipulative, deceitful behavior of the whole immediate A family as having a role in Caylee's disappearance.

Sounds like you had the family sized up from the get-go. I go back now and re-listened to interviews, and pick up on so many things that I missed earlier. Or things that now have meaning, because more details are known.

[jammies]

GMTA saywhat. Same as she was starting to "like" Tony. She was sleeping with him, but "just starting to like him."


Casey was just spreadin' the luv, bc. :rolleyes:

[KP1935]

I hope the good people of Orlando are paying attention and are as outraged as we are.

That's why I'd like the SA to go through every inch of the lies, from both the A's and the OC. Show that the A's can't be believed, call them out on every single contradiction and lie they made. The OC will easily be seen as a liar, but show that the parents went right a long with it.

[Sun]

Ah, yes, Jeff of the Tiffany ring. What's the deal with this ring? Any ideas?

chuckles.... This made me wonder just which of Casey's former friends is missing their Tiffany ring.

[Rapunzel]

I thought the exact same thing while I was watching it....

And then they showed her taking off the mic and hightailing it out of there.....
Nope she wasn's answering ANY more questions by Nancy.....

She was pizzed off!!

Was it the Melinda Duckett interview and subsequent suicide that NG was sued over...I forget????

[saywhat04]

When you take into account how often the family members called the police because they couldn't solve their own problems, my take on it is that George knew what happened to the gas cans and had finally decided that the only way he could send a 'stern' message to Casey was to make a police report. I think that was spitting into the wind on his part. There's no evidence that this tactic had ever worked before, Casey had always managed to wriggle out of any tight spots and go on to get her way. The only message she got was that the calling the authorities was a hollow threat. If you don't believe that, note her HUGE surprise when they actually not only took that last 911 phone call seriously but actually arrested her!

So why did George report the theft of the gas cans? For the same reason that Cindy called to report the theft of money and her car when she finally got hold of Casey and couldn't get a straight story out of her as to what had happened to Caylee. It was how they tried to deal with her. Unfortunately neither Cindy or George had ever learned how futile this tactic was.

MO of course.

So typically thoughtless and disrespectful of the A's to *recruit* law enforcement officers to help them bring their vile daughter into line, then turn around and criticize their efforts every step of the way.

[Postergeist]

Cindy spent most of her interview repeating Caseys lies practically word for word, acting as if they were the truth. that interview lasted a couple of hours and she went on and on with nonsense that she knew was untrue, analyzing and interpreting each bit of BS.

What nags at me the most is Cindy's total lack of urgency about Caylee and her whereabouts. COnsidering her panicked call to 911 about having to find her GD, her demeanor in the interviews is so laid back, it's kind of creepy. She looks over the timeline and scratches her head and plays with her sandals, you would never think this woman is frantic over not seeing her GD for 6 weeks. It was like she was enjoying the fact that these detectives where asking her advice and counsel on things, that she was the center of attention, very similar to Casey in her interview after the Grand Jury handed down it's indictment. Calm, cool, collected .

Oh watching those interviews! argh! I wanted to give her an antihistamine thru the screen to get her to stop scratching herself- or some sort of RX to get her to quit the constant self-touching!

Seeing Annie D.'s depo was so refreshing- no hair fiddling, no face touching, no fidgeting.

I agree about your observations on her lack of urgency and panick in those tapes with Cindy. That and lots of self-aggrandizing
"I, I did, I was that way, I, I".

[Katprint]

<respectfully snipped>
This to me is a real puzzle. Why did no one notice that odor on Casey? What are your ideas?
Maybe they DID notice the odor. Maybe that was one of the reasons why people let Casey use their showers i.e. they would comment on the odor and Casey would cheerfully reply along the lines of, "Yeah, it's really hot today, I've been sweating, I really need a shower." Then she would take a shower and leave before people could notice that her B.O. had not really improved much.

Also, the layer of skin that had been contaminated would presumably wear away over a few days, same as when you get your hand stamped with indelible ink. Especially if Casey was constantly scrubbing that skin to try to remove the odor.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Postergeist]

It was Cindy who wrote the script...IMO

I've thought that too- something was being cooked up besides brownies in that home when she was out on bond!

imo

[PuffDragon]

So typically thoughtless and disrespectful of the A's to *recruit* law enforcement officers to help them bring their vile daughter into line, then turn around and criticize their efforts every step of the way.

Yep, the same pattern playing over and over.

[margaritaville]

The lock was ripped off. Who knows what else might have been missing. I would have reported it also just to have a police file number to refer to if something more valuable might have been discovered to be stolen.


It takes pool shock to make Chloroform....

Hmmmmmmmm.....

[Pruddennce]

Cindy spent most of her interview repeating Caseys lies practically word for word, acting as if they were the truth. that interview lasted a couple of hours and she went on and on with nonsense that she knew was untrue, analyzing and interpreting each bit of BS.

What nags at me the most is Cindy's total lack of urgency about Caylee and her whereabouts. COnsidering her panicked call to 911 about having to find her GD, her demeanor in the interviews is so laid back, it's kind of creepy. She looks over the timeline and scratches her head and plays with her sandals, you would never think this woman is frantic over not seeing her GD for 6 weeks. It was like she was enjoying the fact that these detectives where asking her advice and counsel on things, that she was the center of attention, very similar to Casey in her interview after the Grand Jury handed down it's indictment. Calm, cool, collected .



you got that right ish. Cindy is one scary person. It was interesting to watch her interview with Yuri, the particular passage where they are trying to establish a timeline; they keep returning to the end of May beginning of June. this caused Cindy to squirm and withhold information. its obvious, now, knowing the facts of Casey's movements, and one in particular.....Cindy was watching Caylee 'because Casey had to work', the nite of the 'anything but clothes party'....Cindy does not tell LE about that.

she also claimed Caylee was home the nite of 9th. another lie. She wasnt. Caylee and Casey spent the nite at Ricardo's.

Cindy stated she was tired, she cant remember certain things.....but explanation after explanation over a month's time told to her by Casey: she remembers every word? its incredulous.

Cindy also squirmed when talking about the weekend of the 8th....she stayed overnite with her mother on the 7th and came home the 8th. it took a painful amount of time for them to get thru that information and nail down what she knew of Casey's comings and goings the week of her vacation, etc.

LE asked Cindy a few questions they already knew the answer to, that were substantiated. I believe they did that to assess her level of truthfulness and cooperation.

they got their answer and made the decision not to interact with her anymore, which provoked her to leave a voicemail to Det Allen.

reminds me of a line from fatal attraction, "I will not be ignored!"......

bunny boiler....

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[ish]

I just don't believe for one second that Cindy and GA bought her Zanny the Nanny stories. She was at home during the day, usually with GA, and "worked" at night while they babysat. Cindy may be lots of things but she's no fool. Now George.............:laugh:

Cindy is going to have a tough time on the stand explaining how she can be so sure in one interview/conversation that there is indeed a Zanny, the police just haven't found her yet and then talk out of the other side of her face and say there was no Zanny.

[Sandy001]

Brought over from yesterday's thread.



Great post Pru! Thank you! Cindy definitely did her best to direct everyone away from the weekend of June 8.

jmo Dincy has always done her BEST to direct everyone away from ANYTHING that might be pertinent imo

[Unleashed]

Maybe they DID notice the odor. Maybe that was one of the reasons why people let Casey use their showers i.e. they would comment on the odor and Casey would cheerfully reply along the lines of, "Yeah, it's really hot today, I've been sweating, I really need a shower." Then she would take a shower and leave before people could notice that her B.O. had not really improved much.

Also, the layer of skin that had been contaminated would presumably wear away over a few days, same as when you get your hand stamped with indelible ink. Especially if Casey was constantly scrubbing that skin to try to remove the odor.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

A little armchair psychology here, maybe that's why she's still always touching herself, her hair etc. Still trying to erase the memory of the smell?

JMO

[WillowInFlight]

I've thought that too- something was being cooked up besides brownies in that home when she was out on bond!

imo

Hiya Postie, ITA, and I think a lot of it went on when George was out with the roaming billboard. I also think Cindy was the one that wrote George's suicide note.

[saywhat04]

I can't even imagine how it felt to be law enforcement in the first days of this travesty. When the depravity of this family started to dawn on them. Imagine. Not one single person told one single truth. Even for seasoned detectives it must've been shockingly nauseating.

I so agree! I've often tried to put myself in the place of the detectives who are working this case. I would have been just as disgusted with George, Cindy, and even Lee, as I was with the OC. It was bad enough the mother of the missing toddler was lying like a rug ... but the rest of her immediate family? Who does that when the life of a 2 year-old is at stake? :mad:

[margaritaville]

We know the cadaver odor, for lack of a better word, permeates everything surrounding it.... clothes, carpet, floors, etc. We know CA washed Casey's clothes that were found in her car and we know Casey showered at a suspect time, can't recall that now. That particular odor is very difficult, if not impossible, to remove. Why, then, did Casey not have that odor in her skin, hair, etc., even after showering? Simple showering would not remove the odor once it permeates the skin. I know this for a fact from someone who is an officer in the real estate trust department of a well known bank. When they had to clear out a property in which someone had died, they had to literally destroy the clothes they were wearing and they said they could smell the odor on their body for days afterward. This to me is a real puzzle. Why did no one notice that odor on Casey? What are your ideas?

She wore a rain coat and gloves?

[Postergeist]

Maybe they DID notice the odor. Maybe that was one of the reasons why people let Casey use their showers i.e. they would comment on the odor and Casey would cheerfully reply along the lines of, "Yeah, it's really hot today, I've been sweating, I really need a shower." Then she would take a shower and leave before people could notice that her B.O. had not really improved much.

Also, the layer of skin that had been contaminated would presumably wear away over a few days, same as when you get your hand stamped with indelible ink. Especially if Casey was constantly scrubbing that skin to try to remove the odor.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

I thought of that too- that maybe her friends did notice the odor and she had her "dead squirrels" story to give them.

She wasn't around any of her family members at the time- but made trips back to get more clothes (and left the rank clothes in the car- heck, even the purse as that was likely pretty stinky too) and she also seemed to make a point to be driving other friends vehicles around.

So the odor may not have lingered on her for as long if she had been driving that car exclusively.

[jammies]

Maybe they DID notice the odor. Maybe that was one of the reasons why people let Casey use their showers i.e. they would comment on the odor and Casey would cheerfully reply along the lines of, "Yeah, it's really hot today, I've been sweating, I really need a shower." Then she would take a shower and leave before people could notice that her B.O. had not really improved much.

Also, the layer of skin that had been contaminated would presumably wear away over a few days, same as when you get your hand stamped with indelible ink. Especially if Casey was constantly scrubbing that skin to try to remove the odor.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions


She's still rubbing her hands in the courtroom. Over and over and over.

[marshmallow]

chuckles.... This made me wonder just which of Casey's former friends is missing their Tiffany ring.



or which relative

[KP1935]

Cindy is going to have a tough time on the stand explaining how she can be so sure in one interview/conversation that there is indeed a Zanny, the police just haven't found her yet and then talk out of the other side of her face and say there was no Zanny.

THIS is what I am looking forward to, the SA getting her on the stand and walking her through her lies. I'm sure it won't take long for the SA to get her considered a hostile witness and be able to ask YES/NO questions.

Any idea when we may see a doc dump?

[Sandy001]

Gee, I really shouldn't be re-listening to Cindy's LE interviews.

After just finishing part 2 where Cindy discussed the paternity of Caylee, and such, I feel something very disturbing. I just wonder what lengths would Cindy have gone to, to prevent "anyone" (even Casey) from taking Caylee away from her. Was this something that Casey already felt, and Casey just killed Caylee to prevent Cindy from ending up with Caylee? Could Casey have hated Cindy that much?

The dysfunction in the Anthony family is so disturbing.

Absolutely. I think the fights between the two of them were on an almsot daily basis. Don't forget that WHEN Cindy got her home, she was so furious at her (over Grandpa's money?) that she called George who was working and he had to call Lee to go over there and intervene. Cindy was the Queen and NO ONE could challenge her and Casey challenged her ALL the time. I think this was why Casey was so desperate to find a man - just to get her away from her mother.

Even Cindy's mother commented on the realtionship between CVindy and Casey. It's pretty bad when a relative who doesn't live in the home thinks that Casey could have killed Caylee to get even with Cindy. moo

[ish]

I've thought that too- something was being cooked up besides brownies in that home when she was out on bond!

imo

I agree that Cindy authored a lot of those stories, did we ever hear Casey tell Detectives the night of the 15th (July) all about being engaged to Jeff and Zanny's accident? No, all that came from Cindy. I think Casey would give Cindy a crumb of a story and Cindy would create a whole loaf of bread out of it. She repeated the embellished story to George and anyone else in order to cover for Casey and for herself and the fact that she had absolutely no idea where either her daughter or her grand daughter where and didn't want to admit it.

[101Spots]

A little armchair psychology here, maybe that's why she's still always touching herself, her hair etc. Still trying to erase the memory of the smell?

JMO

Fair warning: I've had it up to here with the "Out, dammed spot" jokes! :mad:

[Katprint]

She's still rubbing her hands in the courtroom. Over and over and over.
Like Lady MacBeth. "Out, damned spot!"

Seriously, there would need to be a pretty compelling reason for me to let one of my friends use my shower. Like maybe if one of my kids threw up on them. Some major catastrophe like that. I often invite friends over for dinner or for playdates or for parties; I cannot recall a single one of them asking to take a shower.

I picture a scene like Eddie Murphy in "The Golden Child" when a motorcycle gang thug has him pinned against the wall, and he says, "In my left shirt pocket, there is a box of Tic-Tacs. Please, take as many as you like." Except substituting human decomp smell for the bad breath and a shower with numerous scented bath products for the Tic-Tacs.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Postergeist]

Hiya Postie, ITA, and I think a lot of it went on when George was out with the roaming billboard. I also think Cindy was the one that wrote George's suicide note.

Hi ya Willow! Didn't both Tim M. and Lenny say that George was never really in the same room with Cindy and Casey (or allowed to be?) during that time- so likely he wasn't co-writing the script with the two women, just getting the final drafts later.

hmm- never thought about if Cindy could've written George's note! But sure quick to call the po po for George weren't they?!

[101Spots]

Like Lady MacBeth. "Out, damned spot!"

Seriously, there would need to be a pretty compelling reason for me to let one of my friends use my shower. Like maybe if one of my kids threw up on them. Some major catastrophe like that. I often invite friends over for dinner or for playdates or for parties; I cannot recall a single one of them asking to take a shower.

I picture a scene like Eddie Murphy in "The Golden Child" when a motorcycle gang thug has him pinned against the wall, and he says, "In my left shirt pocket, there is a box of Tic-Tacs. Please, take as many as you like." Except substituting human decomp smell for the bad breath and a shower with numerous scented bath products for the Tic-Tacs.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

See what I mean? :crying:

[ish]

THIS is what I am looking forward to, the SA getting her on the stand and walking her through her lies. I'm sure it won't take long for the SA to get her considered a hostile witness and be able to ask YES/NO questions.

Any idea when we may see a doc dump?

the key with cindy is I think to not be confrontational at first, ask her the questions calmly, let her answer and exaggerate and lie and then come back with the previous answers she gave. Let her hang herself, with the rope they give her.

[AMS]

We know the cadaver odor, for lack of a better word, permeates everything surrounding it.... clothes, carpet, floors, etc. We know CA washed Casey's clothes that were found in her car and we know Casey showered at a suspect time, can't recall that now. That particular odor is very difficult, if not impossible, to remove. Why, then, did Casey not have that odor in her skin, hair, etc., even after showering? Simple showering would not remove the odor once it permeates the skin. I know this for a fact from someone who is an officer in the real estate trust department of a well known bank. When they had to clear out a property in which someone had died, they had to literally destroy the clothes they were wearing and they said they could smell the odor on their body for days afterward. This to me is a real puzzle. Why did no one notice that odor on Casey? What are your ideas?


She blamed the smell of the car on the dead squirrels crawling into her car (per Lee). Maybe she extended the story to say that the smell on her came from the car/squirrels as well. :confused:

imo

[EverMoth]

The lock was ripped off. Who knows what else might have been missing. I would have reported it also just to have a police file number to refer to if something more valuable might have been discovered to be stolen.

Yes, but doesn't 911 bring ambulances, fire trucks and police? Why wouldn't someone just call the local police and have a squad car come over and investigate in a case like this? That's what I would do. I'm not sure how local officials would react to calling all of the above only to find out it was due to a burglury. I mean, if someone parks their car on the street and returns to it, only to find out that it has been stolen, do they call 911 or do they just call the police. Just askin' . . .:shrug:

[Sandy001]

Good morning everyone, I think if casey did not kill Caylee then someone like the a;s or just anyone should be looking for the real killer. Like in oj case. who elce could have done it and why or they not looking for that person. Now we know the nanny don;t ex.and that story is a lie. If they or going to get casey out of this they need someone who did kill Caylee. I see nothing that shows another person did this. Am I just crazy or is there something I don;t know. Right now the only one I can see that would have killed Caylee is casey. Maybe jb has someone elce in mind but he needs to be looking for that person. jmho

Cindy "claims" they have private detectives on the job. Baez is also looiking, but imo there's no one to find. The killer of Caylee is safely in jail awaiting trial imo

[Postergeist]

I agree that Cindy authored a lot of those stories, did we ever hear Casey tell Detectives the night of the 15th (July) all about being engaged to Jeff and Zanny's accident? No, all that came from Cindy. I think Casey would give Cindy a crumb of a story and Cindy would create a whole loaf of bread out of it. She repeated the embellished story to George and anyone else in order to cover for Casey and for herself and the fact that she had absolutely no idea where either her daughter or her grand daughter where and didn't want to admit it.

I can't recall ish- but I know there was a point that the detectives say to George? something about "yeah, we heard about the car accident and we can say it never happened, no trip to the hosp" but I'm not clear if they orig. heard that from Cindy

-OR-

did they get that song and dance when they had Casey in the car doing the wild goose chases to the apts and to Univ.? Because that wasn't being recorded was it?

I agree with you that she didn't want to admit not knowing there whereabouts- she threw out that "she's the mother, I'm only the grandmother" line stuff.

[5boxersmom]

She blamed the smell of the car on the dead squirrels crawling into her car (per Lee). Maybe she extended the story to say that the smell on her came from the car/squirrels as well. :confused:

imo

I would say the smell was there but not that bad but after being shut up at the tow yard for 17 days it got worse.

jmo

[saywhat04]

I forget which poster said it months ago- about George has a fixation about smells- recalling about how he mentioned during that CMA promo for their daughter (that was held in the church) that he missed the smell of Caylee's sweat.

huh?!

These folks say odd things, do odd things, believe bizarre things- bizarro.

I don't know if any of them are capable of feeling any sort of remorse, regret or even feeling "haunted" or tortured by anything. I've seen alot of callous behavior- imo- throwing out, vandalizing, dismantling what amounts to funerary items that acknowledged their granddaughter- the pushing, shoving, cussing, threats...

it just doesn't seem like they have allowed the Comforter to enter into their hearts in the past 12 months.

imo

Bolding mine.

I'm not sure they have hearts. And certainly not open ones.

But according to Cindy, she now has a direct line to Him, and is bringing new members to her new church in droves. :rolleyes:

Typical, predictable narcissistic behavior. imo

[jammies]

Fair warning: I've had it up to here with the "Out, dammed spot" jokes! :mad:



LOL I hear ya! :thumbup:

[Pruddennce]

Ah, yes, Jeff of the Tiffany ring. What's the deal with this ring? Any ideas?

IMO, the ring is significant..several pics show her wearing it..and Cindy called attention to it by asking about it. Cindy asked a question of Casey regarding the drums/apt pic, and she already knew the answer...

in the midst of a tragedy, Cindy is asking about that one piece of jewelry........ I have felt that there must have been some idle talk about that ring and how Casey was going to give it to Caylee when she got older.

and then Casey said she didnt know where it was, or she lost it, something to that effect during the jailhouse visit.

I have also wondered if other things were found with the remains that LE has not released; Cindy knew the blanket was missing but did not tell LE until after her remains were found......

I believe she was concerned about that ring for the same reason..... there was significance with regard to Caylee.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[WillowInFlight]

Hi ya Willow! Didn't both Tim M. and Lenny say that George was never really in the same room with Cindy and Casey (or allowed to be?) during that time- so likely he wasn't co-writing the script with the two women, just getting the final drafts later.

hmm- never thought about if Cindy could've written George's note! But sure quick to call the po po for George weren't they?!

Yep and she knew exactly what was missing then, I will always believe that was just a calculated stunt. I do remember Cindy saying that she never talked to Casey about Caylee, that she wasn't allowed too.
I still want to know what happened the day George stormed out of the house with Lee running after him.

What was this I caught on NG last night, I was only half listening, some ladies were making a make shift memorial for Caylee and George and Cindy chased them off and followed them in their car?

[Sandy001]

GM Barbara, did you hear Lenny on NG last night, say that when the ladies were being chased by G&C and the Milsteads, they called Lenny and he told them to call the cops? Dang, is Lenny in contact with everyone? No wonder he has a lot of inside info, he must be in everyone's cell phone contact list.

I know Marc Klaas sympathized with the Anthony about the memorial, but I can bet you that Marc didn't drive by the site daily and remove memorials. And Polly was also found in a wooded/non-residential area. The area of Suburban where Caylee was found was not a residential area.

I do think LP has connections in this case. I know some of his information came from his contacts at the FBI. And yes, people DO have his phone number. moo

[Unleashed]

Fair warning: I've had it up to here with the "Out, dammed spot" jokes! :mad:

I'm always thinking of you, spots. That's why I didn't use it!! :laugh:


JMO

[Postergeist]

Absolutely. I think the fights between the two of them were on an almsot daily basis. Don't forget that WHEN Cindy got her home, she was so furious at her (over Grandpa's money?) that she called George who was working and he had to call Lee to go over there and intervene. Cindy was the Queen and NO ONE could challenge her and Casey challenged her ALL the time. I think this was why Casey was so desperate to find a man - just to get her away from her mother.

Even Cindy's mother commented on the realtionship between CVindy and Casey. It's pretty bad when a relative who doesn't live in the home thinks that Casey could have killed Caylee to get even with Cindy. moo

Can you imagine the strife in a young child's life if they were exposed to hearing ranting and raving and verbal fights daily?

:sad:

Don't forget the great-uncle as well believes that Casey could've killed Caylee.

It does not appear that Caylee had many days without drama with her gran and mom.

[Sandy001]

I agree!

When Cindy told Greta, "Yes, we do have a shovel she could have used. But if she was here and we weren't home -- George and I made a decision when we started locking the sheds this year because last year, Caylee wasn't able to do some of the things she can do this year. So we made a conscious effort to lock the sheds. We have three sheds." I said horse hockey! They locked those sheds to stop Casey from stealing the gas.

jmo OF course they did. They could have just used a garbage bag tie to wire the door closed and that would have stopped Caylee. The lock was to prevent CASEY from getting in. jmo

[Sun]

you got that right ish. Cindy is one scary person. It was interesting to watch her interview with Yuri, the particular passage where they are trying to establish a timeline; they keep returning to the end of May beginning of June. this caused Cindy to squirm and withhold information. its obvious, now, knowing the facts of Casey's movements, and one in particular.....Cindy was watching Caylee 'because Casey had to work', the nite of the 'anything but clothes party'....Cindy does not tell LE about that.

she also claimed Caylee was home the nite of 9th. another lie. She wasnt. Caylee and Casey spent the nite at Ricardo's.

Cindy stated she was tired, she cant remember certain things.....but explanation after explanation over a month's time told to her by Casey: she remembers every word? its incredulous.

Cindy also squirmed when talking about the weekend of the 8th....she stayed overnite with her mother on the 7th and came home the 8th. it took a painful amount of time for them to get thru that information and nail down what she knew of Casey's comings and goings the week of her vacation, etc.

LE asked Cindy a few questions they already knew the answer to, that were substantiated. I believe they did that to assess her level of truthfulness and cooperation.

they got their answer and made the decision not to interact with her anymore, which provoked her to leave a voicemail to Det Allen.

reminds me of a line from fatal attraction, "I will not be ignored!"......

bunny boiler....

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

Here is what Cindy had to say, right after Casey's original Bond Hearing was over. She's not too happy with LE. LOL

http://www.truveo.com/Cindy-Anthony-speaks-to-reporters-after-bond/id/1031594907

[Katprint]

Fair warning: I've had it up to here with the "Out, dammed spot" jokes! :mad:
Be calm. You don't see me freaking out about references to "prints" like on the gasoline cans or duct tape. Nobody is complaining about 101Spots. We are merely observing Casey's apparent psychological sensation that she still has spots of Caylee's blood (or human decomp) on her hands. No joke, just like prints on duct tape are not funny.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[saywhat04]

Casey was just spreadin' the luv, bc. :rolleyes:

Casey was doing what Casey does best. The only thing Casey does well (or often, at least), from what I've seen.

[Sandy001]

That is the ugly coping we've heard about...what a bunch of crap!!!!!
How can it be "ugly coping."? At that point in time Caylee was NOT EVEN missing yet. he was galavanting around Florida with the invisible nanny.

[Sandy001]

I also have no doubt in my mind, that George knew who took his gas cans. The questions that I ask myself is, "what was George hoping to accomplish by reporting this theft to LE?" a feeble attempt to hold his daughter accountable for once inher life?

[AlohaRainbow]

Well, I can't say that I wouldn't call 911 because it would probably be more so for the fact that someone came onto my property and broke my shed open to steal something.....but just for the fact of it being 2 gas cans, I doubt that I would have went to the trouble for that reason alone....

i can see reporting a break-in and theft of gas cans... even if you didn't really expect LE to "solve" the crime or get your gas cans back, by reporting it, that might be an important piece of info for LE if there had been other break-ins/thefts in the neighborhood. (i had something similar happen many years ago....someone broke into my house while i was at work and didn't take anything other than some food. when i reported it, the cop thanked me for reporting it as there had been similar incidents in the neighborhood and they were trying to track the pattern... turns out that some 12 years olds were skipping school and breaking into homes during the day)

i could also see george reporting it if he thought (or knew) that casey did it...especially if this was the first time that she had to break the lock to get the gas cans (iirc, there was some talk about recently putting the lock on the shed?). maybe he hoped she would get 'caught' officially, sort of a 'tough love' or 'scared straight'? or he could hold it over her head... or ??

[apothecary]

She blamed the smell of the car on the dead squirrels crawling into her car (per Lee). Maybe she extended the story to say that the smell on her came from the car/squirrels as well. :confused:

imo
Since she had triple-bagged Caylee perhaps the smell was somewhat contained and a small leak may have produced the unbearable smell that occurred.I think the smell got worse after she ditched the car and the towyard people left it locked in the Florida sun and heat.

[Postergeist]

IMO, the ring is significant..several pics show her wearing it..and Cindy called attention to it by asking about it. Cindy asked a question of Casey regarding the drums/apt pic, and she already knew the answer...

in the midst of a tragedy, Cindy is asking about that one piece of jewelry........ I have felt that there must have been some idle talk about that ring and how Casey was going to give it to Caylee when she got older.

and then Casey said she didnt know where it was, or she lost it, something to that effect during the jailhouse visit.

I have also wondered if other things were found with the remains that LE has not released; Cindy knew the blanket was missing but did not tell LE until after her remains were found......

I believe she was concerned about that ring for the same reason..... there was significance with regard to Caylee.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

well shoot! I don't recall seeing pics of Casey wearing a ring! (got any quick links handy? - well, no rush, I've got to make lunch)

I vaguely recall Cindy asking about a ring- and then she seemed all "het up" about the what- fake ID the police took from the wallet, or the co. ID badge-

dang- if you add up what all appeared to be the family's high priority on things missing- gas cans, jewelry, ID's, cell phones, SIM cards...and where the baby ranked...

:cursing:

bbl

[saywhat04]

you got that right ish. Cindy is one scary person. It was interesting to watch her interview with Yuri, the particular passage where they are trying to establish a timeline; they keep returning to the end of May beginning of June. this caused Cindy to squirm and withhold information. its obvious, now, knowing the facts of Casey's movements, and one in particular.....Cindy was watching Caylee 'because Casey had to work', the nite of the 'anything but clothes party'....Cindy does not tell LE about that.

she also claimed Caylee was home the nite of 9th. another lie. She wasnt. Caylee and Casey spent the nite at Ricardo's.

Cindy stated she was tired, she cant remember certain things.....but explanation after explanation over a month's time told to her by Casey: she remembers every word? its incredulous.

Cindy also squirmed when talking about the weekend of the 8th....she stayed overnite with her mother on the 7th and came home the 8th. it took a painful amount of time for them to get thru that information and nail down what she knew of Casey's comings and goings the week of her vacation, etc.

LE asked Cindy a few questions they already knew the answer to, that were substantiated. I believe they did that to assess her level of truthfulness and cooperation.

they got their answer and made the decision not to interact with her anymore, which provoked her to leave a voicemail to Det Allen.

reminds me of a line from fatal attraction, "I will not be ignored!"......

bunny boiler....

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

Bolding mine ...

So true. Cynthia, The Entitled One, expects to be courted for her vast knowledge and experience, while lying right into the faces of the detectives given the impossible task of discovering what happened to her granddaughter on her daughter's watch. Such incredible arrogance and lack of respect! I've never seen the likes of it.

[WhiteShark]

but, but .... snipped for space....... Yet, Cindy sends Lee out looking for Casey in the Orlando clubs the evening of July 3.
IMO, Cindy knew something was wrong.

Didn't Lee speak with someone on the phone or get a text, telling him casey was in that resturant/bar----then he told cindy, at which time she sent him down there. Until they got the info about casey being in Orlando that night, cindy took casey at her word about being in J'ville.....
Lee also has said somewhere early on that his mom thought casey was OOT until the evening of 7/3 when someone told him casey was actually in town, and he told his mom.......He talked about how they had been surprised that casey had lied about being OOT when she had been in town the entire time...........
Or am I just remembering wrong. With this gang of liars, anything could have been said at any point.:sneaky:

[saywhat04]

Absolutely. I think the fights between the two of them were on an almsot daily basis. Don't forget that WHEN Cindy got her home, she was so furious at her (over Grandpa's money?) that she called George who was working and he had to call Lee to go over there and intervene. Cindy was the Queen and NO ONE could challenge her and Casey challenged her ALL the time. I think this was why Casey was so desperate to find a man - just to get her away from her mother.

Even Cindy's mother commented on the realtionship between CVindy and Casey. It's pretty bad when a relative who doesn't live in the home thinks that Casey could have killed Caylee to get even with Cindy. moo

Bolding mine ...

Good observation. And not only did Mrs. Plesea not live in the home ... she received all her information about went on in the home from Cindy. Yet even with that, she suspected Casey despised Cindy. Very interesting. I'm sure Mrs. P loves her daughter, but I wonder if she likes her as a person? I wonder what it was about Cindy that could make Mrs. P so easily assume Casey detested her?

[saywhat04]

She blamed the smell of the car on the dead squirrels crawling into her car (per Lee). Maybe she extended the story to say that the smell on her came from the car/squirrels as well. :confused:

imo

She was also driving around with trash from Tony's apartment in her trunk. Plus fabric softener sheets all over the place. She was working it -- trying on the one hand to have excuses (dead squirrels, household trash) for why the car or her person might smell, while trying on the other hand to mask the smell anyway she could.

Poor thing. That's a lot of work and hassle for a gal who is used to sitting at her mommy's computer all day, cell phone in hand.

[Sandy001]

See, that's what I don't understand about the defense. If they are so sure that their client is innocent, why let her sit in jail. Get the trial going so she can go home if she is so innocent. Why isn't KC demanding a speedy trial so she can get out?


Because Baez is too busy filing garbage motions trying to get her off. After all, he claimed he needed TIME to view the jailhouse video in March and he STILL hasn't gotten it tossed yet.

[saywhat04]

Be calm. You don't see me freaking out about references to "prints" like on the gasoline cans or duct tape. Nobody is complaining about 101Spots. We are merely observing Casey's apparent psychological sensation that she still has spots of Caylee's blood (or human decomp) on her hands. No joke, just like prints on duct tape are not funny.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

You two are a riot! :lol:

[Dick Tracy]

Yes, but Cindy KNEW there was no Zanny. She knew Casey's stories were total bs. Cindy didn't have Caylee, she knew there was no nanny so what the heck was she thinking?

I respectfully disagree. On the 15th of July, when Casey is picked up by her mom at TonE apartment, I sincerely believe that Cindy STILL thought (and wanted to believe) at that time, that there was a Zanny. Casey's story was full of holes about Zanny moving around, the accident in Tampa, etc... Cindy knew the story was doubtful, as are all of Casey's stories. And she knew about the smell in the car. But I just don't think she'd shifted in to the fact that little Caylee was dead and gone. Something like that is just hard to accept right then and there. But it was a few days later, after the meeting with the PRP's friends at the house and the cadaver dogs hitting on things around the house that she realized this NANNY thing was going to be a) a wild nanny-chase b) Caylee was probably dead.

[Sun]

a feeble attempt to hold his daughter accountable for once inher life?

I don't think so. George didn't tell LE that he thought that Casey might have stolen them.

Did George really believe that someone else stole the gas cans, and scaled the wooden fence to do so? And, only stole just the gas cans?

As a few others have stated, I believe that the broken lock made George angry. Really angry. And, he was going to try and use the fact that he'd reported the theft, to threaten Casey with it.

[EverMoth]

Since she had triple-bagged Caylee perhaps the smell was somewhat contained and a small leak may have produced the unbearable smell that occurred.I think the smell got worse after she ditched the car and the towyard people left it locked in the Florida sun and heat.

I'm not sure a laundry bag and 2 garbage bags are enough to mask that kind of smell. I'm not sure ten, twenty or thirty garbage bags are enough to mask that smell!

[Sandy001]

Cindy spent most of her interview repeating Caseys lies practically word for word, acting as if they were the truth. that interview lasted a couple of hours and she went on and on with nonsense that she knew was untrue, analyzing and interpreting each bit of BS.

What nags at me the most is Cindy's total lack of urgency about Caylee and her whereabouts. COnsidering her panicked call to 911 about having to find her GD, her demeanor in the interviews is so laid back, it's kind of creepy. She looks over the timeline and scratches her head and plays with her sandals, you would never think this woman is frantic over not seeing her GD for 6 weeks. It was like she was enjoying the fact that these detectives where asking her advice and counsel on things, that she was the center of attention, very similar to Casey in her interview after the Grand Jury handed down it's indictment. Calm, cool, collected .

Makes you wonder about the "script"that Casey said she was given by the :scared: kdinappers. She never mentioned a script when she was shoved to the ground. She also claimed that they drove a Silver Ford Focus and it was Zanny and her sister Samantha and Samantha's children. Zanny was such a good nanny, with a complete wardrobe for Caylee and such. Did hse also have a car seat for her. I am trying to envision 3 car seats in the back of a Ford Focus and it just doesn't fit to me. My youngest has an SUV and the seat is very crowded with TWO car seats in it. But Zanny would HAVE to have had a car seat for Caylee cuz Caylee's car seat was still in Casey's car and a good mother like Casey would NEVER allow her child in a car without a car seat. jmo

[AlohaRainbow]

I'd be concerned if someone with a broken arm and who had sustained a head injury that needed stitches being the primary caregiver of toddler! And with Cindy being a nurse- good grief! That should've prompted her to tell her daughter something like- let me make arrangements so your poor nanny won't be burdened...
in a normal household, yes... that would probably be the case :)

and after casey started telling her "i left caylee at the stairwell and nanny kidnapped her on june xth" (pick a date, any date, but sometime by mid-june at the latest)... and cindy knew the "zanny had a car accident" story was supposed to have happened at the end of june (27th?).... how did cindy reconcile the chronology that nanny "kidnapped" caylee, and then, about 10 days-2 weeks AFTER that, nanny and casey and caylee were in tampa together when the (alleged) car accident ocurred?

all i can say is "KING: weird"

[Sun]

I respectfully disagree. On the 15th of July, when Casey is picked up by her mom at TonE apartment, I sincerely believe that Cindy STILL thought (and wanted to believe) at that time, that there was a Zanny. Casey's story was full of holes about Zanny moving around, the accident in Tampa, etc... Cindy knew the story was doubtful, as are all of Casey's stories. And she knew about the smell in the car. But I just don't think she'd shifted in to the fact that little Caylee was dead and gone. Something like that is just hard to accept right then and there. But it was a few days later, after the meeting with the PRP's friends at the house and the cadaver dogs hitting on things around the house that she realized this NANNY thing was going to be a) a wild nanny-chase b) Caylee was probably dead.

At the time that Cindy made that last 911 call on July 15th, her "excited utterance" of a "dead body in the damn car" was in fact proof that this thought was in her mind at that time.

I really think that Cindy had more difficulty getting her mind to accept that everyone was going to "know" that Casey had been arrested and was likely going to be charged with Caylee's murder. That Casey (and not a nanny) commited the crime. ...so yes, Cindy very much wanted to believe that there was a nanny, I suppose.

[Sandy001]

chuckles.... This made me wonder just which of Casey's former friends is missing their Tiffany ring. Or if it was on the charges from Penneys.

[Sandy001]

Was it the Melinda Duckett interview and subsequent suicide that NG was sued over...I forget???? I think you are correct

[ish]

in a normal household, yes... that would probably be the case :)

and after casey started telling her "i left caylee at the stairwell and nanny kidnapped her on june xth" (pick a date, any date, but sometime by mid-june at the latest)... and cindy knew the "zanny had a car accident" story was supposed to have happened at the end of june (27th?).... how did cindy reconcile the chronology that nanny "kidnapped" caylee, and then, about 10 days-2 weeks AFTER that, nanny and casey and caylee were in tampa together when the (alleged) car accident ocurred?

all i can say is "KING: weird"

I've come to the conclusion that for the ANthony's each day is a new beginning and anything that was said prior is forgotten, therefore they see nothing strange when one or the other makes a statement or tells a story that completely contradicts what was said previously.

[ladeebug565]

That's why I say they knew when they picked up the car at the tow yard...Cindy had talked to Casey on the phone on many days...so they knew most likely it wasn't her...that leaves Caylee...I have said from the get go that they should have called 911 right then and there...but no Georgie drove the car home in the pouring rain with the windows down because the smell was so bad...got the car home...put in into the garage...take the battery out????...roll down all the windows to air it out...prolly Fabrezed the heck out of it...cleaned it out...Cindy washed the pants...blah...blah...blah...cover up from day 31!!!!!!!!!

Let us know forget that they also searched their yard, looking under pavers and the play house. You're right, they knew immediately upon smelling the car.

[summer4meplz]

I know Marc Klaas sympathized with the Anthony about the memorial, but I can bet you that Marc didn't drive by the site daily and remove memorials. And Polly was also found in a wooded/non-residential area. The area of Suburban where Caylee was found was not a residential area.

I do think LP has connections in this case. I know some of his information came from his contacts at the FBI. And yes, people DO have his phone number. moo

lenny met lois through murt.......i was surprised to hear him say he was actually talking to lois.......and he told her to call 911......:confused:

[Sandy001]

Hi ya Willow! Didn't both Tim M. and Lenny say that George was never really in the same room with Cindy and Casey (or allowed to be?) during that time- so likely he wasn't co-writing the script with the two women, just getting the final drafts later.

hmm- never thought about if Cindy could've written George's note! But sure quick to call the po po for George weren't they?!


TGhey didn't call the police until he'd been gone for almsot 8 hours, IIRC. But again, the police are the Anthony's hired servants - that is what they treat them like. When WE say so, you JUMP. When anyone says anything against us, you IGNORE them, even if it has been caught on tape.

[saywhat04]

I don't think so. George didn't tell LE that he thought that Casey might have stolen them.

Did George really believe that someone else stole the gas cans, and scaled the wooden fence to do so? And, only stole just the gas cans?

As a few others have stated, I believe that the broken lock made George angry. Really angry. And, he was going to try and use the fact that he'd reported the theft, to threaten Casey with it.

I also think things were coming to a head in the family with regard to Casey's behavior. I tend to think G&C had made the decision to play hardball with her, which is part of the reason she had left the home.

[EverMoth]

Makes you wonder about the "script"that Casey said she was given by the :scared: kdinappers. She never mentioned a script when she was shoved to the ground. She also claimed that they drove a Silver Ford Focus and it was Zanny and her sister Samantha and Samantha's children. Zanny was such a good nanny, with a complete wardrobe for Caylee and such. Did hse also have a car seat for her. I am trying to envision 3 car seats in the back of a Ford Focus and it just doesn't fit to me. My youngest has an SUV and the seat is very crowded with TWO car seats in it. But Zanny would HAVE to have had a car seat for Caylee cuz Caylee's car seat was still in Casey's car and a good mother like Casey would NEVER allow her child in a car without a car seat. jmo


Such a load of bull. Casey was so lame she couldn't even come up with a story that was even remotely believable. Heck, Zanny and her sister apparently, without any weapon or means for silencing Casey, committed a criminal abduction in front of their own three kids. Heck - Casey doesn't even say she was knocked out! IIRC, she was pushed to the ground. Oh, boo hoo! Did she get an owie on her knee and, therefore, was unable to fight like a mama cat would fight if her young were threatened? NOOOOOOOOOOO.

Worse Liar in History award goes to the Princess of Pork Rinds.

[AlohaRainbow]

I've come to the conclusion that for the ANthony's each day is a new beginning and anything that was said prior is forgotten, therefore they see nothing strange when one or the other makes a statement or tells a story that completely contradicts what was said previously.

i think you are k'rect in your assessment :biggrin:

[saywhat04]

I've come to the conclusion that for the ANthony's each day is a new beginning and anything that was said prior is forgotten, therefore they see nothing strange when one or the other makes a statement or tells a story that completely contradicts what was said previously.

That's the delicious part of this (if it can be said there IS a delicious part of this). The A's are constantly zooming each other -- the lies and deceit are second nature to them. But they're so out of touch with the real world and the behavior of decent, moral, law-abiding people, they thought they could take their lying, deceitful House of Anthony behavior out into the world with the same result.

WRONG. :laugh:

:rolleyes:

[Sandy001]

This is an excerpt from JVM show yesterday about the video tape.. Can anyone verify the Match date?

Posted June 10th, 2009 02:04 AM IP
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ISSUES WITH JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL

Casey Anthony craziness, next.

But first, just when we have thought we have seen everything, and I mean everything, in the Casey Anthony case, guess what? We haven`t. We can now add a car chase to the mix. A shocking 911 call have released of two local woman who claims Cindy and George Anthony chased them in their car after a dust-up at little Caylee`s makeshift memorial site.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

OPERATOR: 9-1-1.

CALLER: Yes, we`re, I`m turning left on Lee Vista, we`re turning right on Lee Vista Boulevard, we`re being chased by George and Cindy Anthony.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: We will play more of that bizarre and intense 911 call in just a moment. Also Casey`s defense team unveils a new strategy, to block the release of that potentially damning video of Casey Anthony.

The video reportedly shows the accused murder melting down in jail, rocking back and forth and hyperventilating after learning a child`s remains were found near her home, but before anybody knew those bones belonged to her 2-year-old daughter Caylee. A witness describes Casey`s emotional and panic breakdown.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

LT. TAMMY UNCER, ORANGE COUNTY SHERIFF`S OFFICE: She collapsed into the chair and started to -- what appeared to be hyperventilating. She lost her breath -- we told her a couple of times take some deep breaths. She was -- got really shallow breathing. Her hands started to sweat; she started rubbing them profusely.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Casey`s attorneys are lashing out at jail officials saying they set Casey up in order to get a sensational video.

Meantime, you know all those stories where we say all the time sources say, sources say, sources say? Well now the defense claims prosecutors keep leaking damaging tidbits to make Casey Anthony look bad. They`re arguing that means she cannot get a fair trial and they vow to find out who is planting those leaks with the media.

Straight to my fantastic expert panel: Drew Findling, Atlanta criminal defense attorney; plus Terence Lenamon, a former attorney for Casey Anthony who argued against the death penalty for Casey Anthony; Karen Mills- Francis, host of "Judge Karen" and retired Miami-Dade County court Judge.

Judge Karen, we`ve got to start with you. Casey`s defense now wants a delay of two more months before the judge decides on whether to release Casey`s jailhouse meltdown video.

JUDGE KAREN MILLS-FRANCIS, HOST, "JUDGE KAREN": So what is this about?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So the defense can investigate media leaks.

Now, I have to say frankly I am sick and tired of talking about this video that we still haven`t gotten a chance to see. Both sides keep arguing about it and delaying. You`re a judge. Why doesn`t a judge just issue a ruling already?

MILLS-FRANCIS: Remember what happened? March 4th, Baez asked the judge, please don`t release the video yet. I haven`t had a chance to take a look at it. It takes him a week to go pick up the video.Then he says, "Well, judge, I think it would be -- it wouldn`t be right. It would be inhumane and cruel for the public to ever see this video." I don`t know what the strategy is but before I was a judge I was a criminal defense lawyer. And if I knew that there was evidence and when my client heard that some bones were found of her missing child and she broke into tears and was hysterical, I don`t want a jury to see that. Don`t you think if she sat there stone-faced -- that the prosecutor...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: No, consciousness of guilt, Judge, because nobody knew that those were the bones of Casey`s...

MILLS-FRANCIS: No, this was -- listen, it`s on the same block where I live. I`m looking for my child -- I`ve been looking for my child. One block away from where I lived, you found the bones of a small child.

The first thing I`m going to think is oh, my God, maybe this is her.

[Dick Tracy]

chuckles.... This made me wonder just which of Casey's former friends is missing their Tiffany ring.

That ring ended up in a pawn shop, I'm sure. She needed money more than she needed a stupid tiffany diamond ring.

Wonder where she got it? That's a mystery to me. I wonder how Cindy knew about it. Hell, Cindy probably bought it, unbeknowngst to her.

[SoggyBayou]

Officer: Anthony Wanted To See Remains Coverage

http://www.wesh.com/news/19713862/detail.html

[Sun]

Sandy ...here are the dates for the March hearings.

3/25/2009 1030 MANUAL - HEARING 23-A GENE MEDINA COURTROOM
3/12/2009 1530 MANUAL - HEARING ROOM 19-D ON THE NINTEENTH FLR
3/2/2009 1615 MANUAL - HEARING ROOM 19-D ON THE NINTEENTH FLR

[desmom]

I'd be concerned if someone with a broken arm and who had sustained a head injury that needed stitches being the primary caregiver of toddler! And with Cindy being a nurse- good grief! That should've prompted her to tell her daughter something like- let me make arrangements so your poor nanny won't be burdened...

Casey said Zanny had a concussion and it was not until the next day an ER nurse noticed a large laceration behind Zanny's ear.

IMO, a large laceration behind the ear would bleed. A boyscout with a First Aid Badge knows to check head to toe for injuries yet no one in ER noticed until the next day? The X-ray technician did not notice either?

Cindy being a nurse bought this story? :lol:

[Sun]

I just noticed something else, when checking the Clerk of Courts records. This is at least the 2nd supplement that Lyon has filed.... could she be experiencing problems getting Judge Strickland to approve her appearance in this case?

6/10/2009 A SUPPLEMENT TO VERIFIED MOTION FOR ADMISSION TO APPEAR PRO HAC VICE WITH CERTIFICATE OF GOOD STANDING FROM THE STATE BAR OF MICHIGAN FOR ANDREA D LYON ATTACHED.

[EverMoth]

That's the delicious part of this (if it can be said there IS a delicious part of this). The A's are constantly zooming each other -- the lies and deceit are second nature to them. But they're so out of touch with the real world and the behavior of decent, moral, law-abiding people, they thought they could take their lying, deceitful House of Anthony behavior out into the world with the same result.

WRONG. :laugh:

:rolleyes:

Yep. Well said. That's usually the downfall of Narcissistic/Sociopathic types of people. They eventually are their own worse enemies because their only frame of reference is whatever is in their own minds. And an entire family of them to boot! Their contradictions began on day one. They couldn't keep their own stories straight but had no idea how that would be seen through the eyes of others.

[Dick Tracy]

Such a load of bull. Casey was so lame she couldn't even come up with a story that was even remotely believable. Heck, Zanny and her sister apparently, without any weapon or means for silencing Casey, committed a criminal abduction in front of their own three kids. Heck - Casey doesn't even say she was knocked out! IIRC, she was pushed to the ground. Oh, boo hoo! Did she get an owie on her knee and, therefore, was unable to fight like a mama cat would fight if her young were threatened? NOOOOOOOOOOO.

Worse Liar in History award goes to the Princess of Pork Rinds.

Yeah Evermoth, it's a BS story. She had 30 days to get it right too. In thirty days, even I could have come up with something better than her line of crap.

First of all, there is no reason given by the PRP WHY Zanny TOOK THE BABY. Why would someone want to take Casey's baby? This is akin to someone shooting Nichole Simpson, and Ron Brown and claiming it was a drug deal hit.

And this was all scripted. According to Casey. If she hadn't heard from Zanny in 30 days, or whatever the number of days was, how the hell was she getting the script from Zanny?

Just a bunch of BS. The jury will be out 3 hours, just long enough to have a nice lunch, pick a foreman and take a initial vote. Doesn't have to be unanimous in Florida.

GUILTY.

[Rapunzel]

How can it be "ugly coping."? At that point in time Caylee was NOT EVEN missing yet. he was galavanting around Florida with the invisible nanny.


When Casey was out gallivanting...Caylee was gone...not missing in Cindy's eyes, but when Cindy found Casey...Casey told her mother Caylee had been gone for 31 days...so I think she was missing then.

[Dick Tracy]

Casey said Zanny had a concussion and it was not until the next day an ER nurse noticed a large laceration behind Zanny's ear.

IMO, a large laceration behind the ear would bleed. A boyscout with a First Aid Badge knows to check head to toe for injuries yet no one in ER noticed until the next day? The X-ray technician did not notice either?

Cindy being a nurse bought this story? :lol:

Zanny in triage and emergency, and they missed a big laceration behind her ear? MORE BS.

[msgatorslayer]

That ring ended up in a pawn shop, I'm sure. She needed money more than she needed a stupid tiffany diamond ring.

Wonder where she got it? That's a mystery to me. I wonder how Cindy knew about it. Hell, Cindy probably bought it, unbeknowngst to her.

LMAO, Casey should have used it to her advantage, and told her Mom that she pawned it to look for Caylee.

"I'll lie, steal, cheat, do whatever I have to, to find my Daughter"

That may be why Cindy was so interested in it but Casey didn't catch on.

[saywhat04]

Casey said Zanny had a concussion and it was not until the next day an ER nurse noticed a large laceration behind Zanny's ear.

IMO, a large laceration behind the ear would bleed. A boyscout with a First Aid Badge knows to check head to toe for injuries yet no one in ER noticed until the next day? The X-ray technician did not notice either?

Cindy being a nurse bought this story? :lol:

And how easy it would've been for her to check out the OC's story, too. Just call the dang hospital.

Imo, Cindy chose to believe Casey's lies, knowing they were lies, because it was simply easier. Easier than dealing with the horse long escaped from the barn (Casey). Easier than doing the hard work of trying to get custody of Caylee. Easier than taking on sole responsibility as Caylee's guardian. Easier than having the world know she raised a complete loser for a daughter.

Cindy wasn't interested in doing any of that. She just kept doing what she'd always done, which was to continue the sick game. To *get back at* Casey by hounding her, making accusations about her to her friends, and by serving heaping helpings of verbal abuse directly to her. None of that required much effort on Cindy's part. imo

[Lapis]

Yeah Evermoth, it's a BS story. She had 30 days to get it right too. In thirty days, even I could have come up with something better than her line of crap.

First of all, there is no reason given by the PRP WHY Zanny TOOK THE BABY. Why would someone want to take Casey's baby? This is akin to someone shooting Nichole Simpson, and Ron Brown and claiming it was a drug deal hit.

And this was all scripted. According to Casey. If she hadn't heard from Zanny in 30 days, or whatever the number of days was, how the hell was she getting the script from Zanny?

Just a bunch of BS. The jury will be out 3 hours, just long enough to have a nice lunch, pick a foreman and take a initial vote. Doesn't have to be unanimous in Florida.

GUILTY.

IIRC the guilty verdict has to be unanimous. The recommendation for the death penalty does not.

[Rapunzel]

Makes you wonder about the "script"that Casey said she was given by the :scared: kdinappers. She never mentioned a script when she was shoved to the ground. She also claimed that they drove a Silver Ford Focus and it was Zanny and her sister Samantha and Samantha's children. Zanny was such a good nanny, with a complete wardrobe for Caylee and such. Did hse also have a car seat for her. I am trying to envision 3 car seats in the back of a Ford Focus and it just doesn't fit to me. My youngest has an SUV and the seat is very crowded with TWO car seats in it. But Zanny would HAVE to have had a car seat for Caylee cuz Caylee's car seat was still in Casey's car and a good mother like Casey would NEVER allow her child in a car without a car seat. jmo

We never heard about the script until KC was out on bond...is that correct???

Casey never mentioned the script to LE on her first wild goose chase days or at Universal...did she???

That's why I think Cindy thought up this whole script thingy.

Let me know if those facts are not correct.

[msgatorslayer]

Yeah Evermoth, it's a BS story. She had 30 days to get it right too. In thirty days, even I could have come up with something better than her line of crap.

First of all, there is no reason given by the PRP WHY Zanny TOOK THE BABY. Why would someone want to take Casey's baby? This is akin to someone shooting Nichole Simpson, and Ron Brown and claiming it was a drug deal hit.

And this was all scripted. According to Casey. If she hadn't heard from Zanny in 30 days, or whatever the number of days was, how the hell was she getting the script from Zanny?

Just a bunch of BS. The jury will be out 3 hours, just long enough to have a nice lunch, pick a foreman and take a initial vote. Doesn't have to be unanimous in Florida.

GUILTY.

BOLDED by me.

That is only for the sentencing phase and a vote for the DP.

All 12 jurors need to find her guilty of murder.

[EverMoth]

Yeah Evermoth, it's a BS story. She had 30 days to get it right too. In thirty days, even I could have come up with something better than her line of crap.

First of all, there is no reason given by the PRP WHY Zanny TOOK THE BABY. Why would someone want to take Casey's baby? This is akin to someone shooting Nichole Simpson, and Ron Brown and claiming it was a drug deal hit.

And this was all scripted. According to Casey. If she hadn't heard from Zanny in 30 days, or whatever the number of days was, how the hell was she getting the script from Zanny?

Just a bunch of BS. The jury will be out 3 hours, just long enough to have a nice lunch, pick a foreman and take a initial vote. Doesn't have to be unanimous in Florida.

GUILTY.

Oh, I agree. Didn't know that Florida doesn't require the vote to be unanimous. That's great - means less chances for a hung jury. But yeah, that is an enormous contradiction. Exactly how did she get the script if she didn't even speak with her. And. . .we are to believe that Zanny was injured enough during the "kidnapping" that she immediately drove to the hospital with Caylee et al. Phew! This is just one of the many stories that reeks of "guilty".

[saywhat04]

I just noticed something else, when checking the Clerk of Courts records. This is at least the 2nd supplement that Lyon has filed.... could she be experiencing problems getting Judge Strickland to approve her appearance in this case?

6/10/2009 A SUPPLEMENT TO VERIFIED MOTION FOR ADMISSION TO APPEAR PRO HAC VICE WITH CERTIFICATE OF GOOD STANDING FROM THE STATE BAR OF MICHIGAN FOR ANDREA D LYON ATTACHED.

Judge S could be erring on the side of caution. I believe Toooodddd got approved, only to have his little legal issues in his home state (California) revealed. I could be wrong on the order in which things happened, but IIRC, he was good to go in Florida, and then Florida found out about the hot water he was in in California.

[Chardonnay]

Just a bunch of BS. The jury will be out 3 hours, just long enough to have a nice lunch, pick a foreman and take a initial vote. Doesn't have to be unanimous in Florida.

GUILTY.

Respectfully snipped for space...

What a relief that FL doesn't have to be unanimous. I have been worried about that "one" lone juror finding OCPRP not guilty. Everybody is so correct.. GUILTY. And I think it'll be within hours, too, not days. I just can't believe it'll be a year or more til trial. LKB said June of 2010. I hope I'm still alive to watch the trial. More so, I hope I'm still alive to see SP die at San Quention.

[Pruddennce]

well shoot! I don't recall seeing pics of Casey wearing a ring! (got any quick links handy? - well, no rush, I've got to make lunch)

I vaguely recall Cindy asking about a ring- and then she seemed all "het up" about the what- fake ID the police took from the wallet, or the co. ID badge-

dang- if you add up what all appeared to be the family's high priority on things missing- gas cans, jewelry, ID's, cell phones, SIM cards...and where the baby ranked...

:cursing:

bbl

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blue dress, dancing boots nite, friday of that week...she still had the ring:

http://www.zimbio.com/Casey+Anthony/articles/159/Casey+Anthony+Disturbing+Text+Messages

I didnt see it on her in her arrest video, when she was alone in the interrogation room, primping herself.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*

[Chardonnay]

BOLDED by me.

That is only for the sentencing phase and a vote for the DP.

All 12 jurors need to find her guilty of murder.

REALLY?? Dang.. Now I bummed again.

[summer4meplz]

I know LE decided not to charge the anthonys with anything concerning the car chase and stealing the cross left to honor their murdered granddaughter.....BUT I am hoping milstead will be charged for impersonating an officer....again.......

[Rapunzel]

Respectfully snipped for space...

What a relief that FL doesn't have to be unanimous. I have been worried about that "one" lone juror finding OCPRP not guilty. Everybody is so correct.. GUILTY. And I think it'll be within hours, too, not days. I just can't believe it'll be a year or more til trial. LKB said June of 2010. I hope I'm still alive to watch the trial. More so, I hope I'm still alive to see SP die at San Quention.


Does it have to be unanimous for the death penalty???

[desmom]

We know the cadaver odor, for lack of a better word, permeates everything surrounding it.... clothes, carpet, floors, etc. We know CA washed Casey's clothes that were found in her car and we know Casey showered at a suspect time, can't recall that now. That particular odor is very difficult, if not impossible, to remove. Why, then, did Casey not have that odor in her skin, hair, etc., even after showering? Simple showering would not remove the odor once it permeates the skin. I know this for a fact from someone who is an officer in the real estate trust department of a well known bank. When they had to clear out a property in which someone had died, they had to literally destroy the clothes they were wearing and they said they could smell the odor on their body for days afterward. This to me is a real puzzle. Why did no one notice that odor on Casey? What are your ideas?


I think it would depend on how much time Casey actually spent in the car and if she drove with the windows down and the a/c on high.

We know she was driving Tone's vehicle around June 17 when she visited Chris Stutz page 5 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1643389/Stutz-Chris---Statement How often did she use Tone's car before she dumped hers at Amscot on June 27?

IMO, the odor was caused by the stain in the trunk. Unless Casey came in direct contact with the stain or spent several hours driving around with the windows rolled up, the odor may not be that noticeable on Casey.

When the A's picked up the car it had been sitting with the windows up and doors locked from June 27 - July 15. IMO, the hot Florida sun would have intensified the odor.

[margaritaville]

IMO, the ring is significant..several pics show her wearing it..and Cindy called attention to it by asking about it. Cindy asked a question of Casey regarding the drums/apt pic, and she already knew the answer...

in the midst of a tragedy, Cindy is asking about that one piece of jewelry........ I have felt that there must have been some idle talk about that ring and how Casey was going to give it to Caylee when she got older.

and then Casey said she didnt know where it was, or she lost it, something to that effect during the jailhouse visit.

I have also wondered if other things were found with the remains that LE has not released; Cindy knew the blanket was missing but did not tell LE until after her remains were found......

I believe she was concerned about that ring for the same reason..... there was significance with regard to Caylee.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

*waiting on maggot evidence....*


Could it have been found in the woods with Caylee?

[saywhat04]

REALLY?? Dang.. Now I bummed again.

Don't be. Unless the DP is pulled back off the table through Lyon's efforts, they will need to seat a "DP qualified" jury at trial time. DP qualified juries are typically more conservative, law-and-order types. The chance there'll be a rogue in the group is considerably less. Plus according to our Florida posters, Florida citizens are generally tougher on crime than citizens in some other states.

[msgatorslayer]

REALLY?? Dang.. Now I bummed again.

Sorry to bum ya out. But yes, all 12 for a vote of guilt. If that happens the trail will proceed to the penalty phase where it only takes 7 of the 12 to vote for death. {A law unique to Florida}

[Chardonnay]

I think it would depend on how much time Casey actually spent in the car and if she drove with the windows down and the a/c on high.

We know she was driving Tone's vehicle around June 17 when she visited Chris Stutz page 5 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1643389/Stutz-Chris---Statement How often did she use Tone's car before she dumped hers at Amscot on June 27?

IMO, the odor was caused by the stain in the trunk. Unless Casey came in direct contact with the stain or spent several hours driving around with the windows rolled up, the odor may not be that noticeable on Casey.

When the A's picked up the car it had been sitting with the windows up and doors locked from June 27 - July 15. IMO, the hot Florida sun would have intensified the odor.

Speaking of the smell in the car, will the smell still be in there a year from now when it goes to trial? Think the jurors will be allowed to smell it, or see the stain?

[desmom]

Yes, but doesn't 911 bring ambulances, fire trucks and police? Why wouldn't someone just call the local police and have a squad car come over and investigate in a case like this? That's what I would do. I'm not sure how local officials would react to calling all of the above only to find out it was due to a burglury. I mean, if someone parks their car on the street and returns to it, only to find out that it has been stolen, do they call 911 or do they just call the police. Just askin' . . .:shrug:

I don't think George called 911. He told LE in his 8/4 interview he called Orange County page 20 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/4825322/Casey-Anthony-George-Anthony-interview . jmo

[KittyMom]

hmmm...could Casey have given Baez the ring as a retainer?

[sofiesmom]

Officer: Anthony Wanted To See Remains Coverage

http://www.wesh.com/news/19713862/detail.htmlOh. That helps me make some sense out of some of this scenario.

I've been away from Caylee for a couple of days. But I've finally decided to confess to something weird from this case that has invaded my life: I've been doing an imitation of Casey's jailhouse meltdown conversation with her parents. You know, the one where she shakes both of her hands parallel to her face, and she's telling them to just listen to her for a minute. Every time my dogs or husband frustrate me, I go into my Casey imitation. It's not pretty, I'm sure.

[msgatorslayer]

Speaking of the smell in the car, will the smell still be in there a year from now when it goes to trial? Think the jurors will be allowed to smell it, or see the stain?

ICK! I think there is a good chance the smell will still be there. If it is, yes, I see the state taking the jury to smell it for themselves. Maybe pulling out the trunk liner and bringing it into the courtroom.:sad:

[Sun]

6/9/2009 Notice of Filing
6/9/2009 Deposition

Here are the latest entries on the Clerk of Courts records for the Civil Case. Has anyone heard about any deposition being taken? What have I missed? What are Morgan/Mitnik up to now? LOL

[Chardonnay]

hmmm...could Casey have given Baez the ring as a retainer?

Good thought, but I think she pawned it, like a poster said earlier..

[Chardonnay]

6/9/2009 Notice of Filing
6/9/2009 Deposition

Here are the latest entries on the Clerk of Courts records for the Civil Case. Has anyone heard about any deposition being taken? What have I missed? What are Morgan/Mitnik up to now? LOL

Sun, I just want to say THANKS for you being our Court Clerk. I wouldn't have a clue where you find this stuff..

[Sun]

Judge S could be erring on the side of caution. I believe Toooodddd got approved, only to have his little legal issues in his home state (California) revealed. I could be wrong on the order in which things happened, but IIRC, he was good to go in Florida, and then Florida found out about the hot water he was in in California.

I'm not sure that Macaluso is out of hot water in California quite yet. Last I heard, he had hired a different attorney to represent him, and something was delayed until sometime late in June. ....shucks, Macaluso didn't even rate a chair at the defense table this last hearing. LOL

[crimeq]

Cindy knew all the names of these non-existant people. She was covering from the very beginning. This whole story was MADE UP.

quoted from her interview:
CA: Oh, I'm not gonna walk out without my purse. Women don't leave their purses in cars or other places. Bottom line is one of these days, I always thought it was a wednesday but whatever day he filed the report. But I thought the 24th was a wednesday too so...anyway this is, it ended up being the day they were coming back from Tampa, the 27th. I remember because I got a phone call form Casey in the afternoon they were going straight back to work. Juliette and her needed to check in because they had been off all week. They'd been communicating with Tom, Tom Frank, her boss at the event coordinating place. Later I thought for sure when I got home they would be home but I found out later that she said Jeff was in town,...Jacksonville...
LE: Last name Hopkins, Jeff Hopkins?
CA: The one who introduced her to Zanny
LE: Did you see him or meet up with him at all?
CA: No

Was Cindy planting the names of Juliette and Jeff and Tom Frank? Was this a story she cooked up with Casey in advance? I think it's VERY strange that the people who became the major "defense" players in Casey's story (though they remained invisible) are all mentioned by Cindy in this very early interview! I go back and forth about whether the Ants knew early-on and cooked up this scheme to aid Casey or not. But I think Cindy's having these names at hand, ready, on the tip of her tongue is soooooooooo suspicious.

[TunaMelt]

And how easy it would've been for her to check out the OC's story, too. Just call the dang hospital.

Imo, Cindy chose to believe Casey's lies, knowing they were lies, because it was simply easier. Easier than dealing with the horse long escaped from the barn (Casey). Easier than doing the hard work of trying to get custody of Caylee. Easier than taking on sole responsibility as Caylee's guardian. Easier than having the world know she raised a complete loser for a daughter.

Cindy wasn't interested in doing any of that. She just kept doing what she'd always done, which was to continue the sick game. To *get back at* Casey by hounding her, making accusations about her to her friends, and by serving heaping helpings of verbal abuse directly to her. None of that required much effort on Cindy's part. imo

I don't think Cindy really wanted to adopt Caylee. Much has been said to the effect that "Casey could have just given Caylee to Cindy to raise instead of..."

I don't think so.

I think Cindy wanted Casey to take care of her child and by the evening of June 16, I think she wanted them both out of the house. As in "Get out of here, don't ever come back" "Fine with me, and I'm taking Caylee with me" "Fine. She's your daughter!"

I'm not saying cindy thought her demon daughter would harm Caylee, I'm saying she wanted them both out of the house and on their own, she wanted no more trouble from Casey, and where Casey went, Caylee belonged there, too.

Cindy didn't want to be burdened anymore by Casey, or anything having to do with Casey. Pack up and go. And Casey did. And the rest is history.

:mellow:

[Chardonnay]

ICK! I think there is a good chance the smell will still be there. If it is, yes, I see the state taking the jury to smell it for themselves. Maybe pulling out the trunk liner and bringing it into the courtroom.:sad:

I have a vision of the car in storage triple wrapped in bubble tape to preserve the stinch.. Very sad.

[Sun]

Sun, I just want to say THANKS for you being our Court Clerk. I wouldn't have a clue where you find this stuff..

I just wish that I knew what all the entries mean. I come here for that help! LOL And, have never been disappointed!

[TunaMelt]

Cindy knew all the names of these non-existant people. She was covering from the very beginning. This whole story was MADE UP.

quoted from her interview:
CA: Oh, I'm not gonna walk out without my purse. Women don't leave their purses in cars or other places. Bottom line is one of these days, I always thought it was a wednesday but whatever day he filed the report. But I thought the 24th was a wednesday too so...anyway this is, it ended up being the day they were coming back from Tampa, the 27th. I remember because I got a phone call form Casey in the afternoon they were going straight back to work. Juliette and her needed to check in because they had been off all week. They'd been communicating with Tom, Tom Frank, her boss at the event coordinating place. Later I thought for sure when I got home they would be home but I found out later that she said Jeff was in town,...Jacksonville...
LE: Last name Hopkins, Jeff Hopkins?
CA: The one who introduced her to Zanny
LE: Did you see him or meet up with him at all?
CA: No

Was Cindy planting the names of Juliette and Jeff and Tom Frank? Was this a story she cooked up with Casey in advance? I think it's VERY strange that the people who became the major "defense" players in Casey's story (though they remained invisible) are all mentioned by Cindy in this very early interview! I go back and forth about whether the Ants knew early-on and cooked up this scheme to aid Casey or not. But I think Cindy's having these names at hand, ready, on the tip of her tongue is soooooooooo suspicious.

And I think you are so right.

I never thought of this before, but ITA.

[Sandy001]

Casey said Zanny had a concussion and it was not until the next day an ER nurse noticed a large laceration behind Zanny's ear.

IMO, a large laceration behind the ear would bleed. A boyscout with a First Aid Badge knows to check head to toe for injuries yet no one in ER noticed until the next day? The X-ray technician did not notice either?

Cindy being a nurse bought this story? :lol: des, you are so correct, and ANY head laceration bleeds A LOT!!!! More phony stories.

[KP1935]

hmmm...could Casey have given Baez the ring as a retainer?


Maybe she proposed to HIM.....:thumbsup: Then again, maybe Bozo turned around and gave it to Mrs. Bozo. Anyone check her finger?!?

[crimeq]

desmom, I have a hard time believing much of what George says in regards to the gas cans. The date is memorialized by the theft report with LE. But, how do we know that the gas cans were returned to the Anthony home in the manner that George described. ....George has lied about so many things, and so I just don't put much weight to what he says.

Tony did finally tell LE that Casey asked him to break the lock off the shed (with his tire iron), so that she could get the gas cans. So, I do believe that the gas cans were in Casey's possession at that point, just not sure how they came to be back in the Anthony home.

Isn't this a strange action? Tony has seemed such an upright guy--but who would consent to break off a lock with a tire iron? If she needed gas or gas cans that badly, shoot, get some for her.

Breaking the lock with a tire iron is an extreme action, IMO.

[Sandy001]

We never heard about the script until KC was out on bond...is that correct???

Casey never mentioned the script to LE on her first wild goose chase days or at Universal...did she???

That's why I think Cindy thought up this whole script thingy.

Let me know if those facts are not correct. The whole fake kidnapping scenario did not come out until AFTER Casey hired an atty. Makes you go hmmmmmm. It sure did NOT come out in her initial stories to the police.

[TunaMelt]

I'm not sure that Macaluso is out of hot water in California quite yet. Last I heard, he had hired a different attorney to represent him, and something was delayed until sometime late in June. ....shucks, Macaluso didn't even rate a chair at the defense table this last hearing. LOL

He [allegedly:rolleyes:] did a really bad thing, and lawyers have been disbarred for um, borrowing money from a client's account.

I know two that were, in Illinois. One went to prison, one lost his license to practice, and died shortly thereafter. Heart attack.

Some folks just can't be trusted with other folk's "stuff." Like money.

I hope good old Todd has to go back to CA and explain himself better than "My brother in law was supposed to put the money back and he didn't" -- c'mon Todd. SODDI isn't going to work in your own case either.

[Sun]

We never heard about the script until KC was out on bond...is that correct???

Casey never mentioned the script to LE on her first wild goose chase days or at Universal...did she???

That's why I think Cindy thought up this whole script thingy.

Let me know if those facts are not correct.

The very first time that I have found that the Jay Blanchard version was ever mentioned, was on July 30th in Cindy's interview with the FBI.

July 30, 2008 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540...28401#25922570
(page no longer available via link)
Dan Abrams talks to Baez's Co-Counsel and he states that Zenaida was not the only person that took Caylee but he will not say the name in fear of them fleeing.

Casey's first time out on bond was August 21-28/29th.

Lee swore in his depo with Morgan/Mitnik, that Casey first told him the JBP version during the first time that she was out on bond.

Seems to me, these just don't quite add up, date-wise.

[PuffDragon]

That ring ended up in a pawn shop, I'm sure. She needed money more than she needed a stupid tiffany diamond ring.

Wonder where she got it? That's a mystery to me. I wonder how Cindy knew about it. Hell, Cindy probably bought it, unbeknowngst to her.

That's what I think too detective. I also thought it was interesting the way Casey shrugged it right off when Cindy mentioned it and Cindy didn't pursue it. Do you suppose they might have had the same conversations before when other things in the house mysteriously went missing?:sneaky:

[TunaMelt]

Isn't this a strange action? Tony has seemed such an upright guy--but who would consent to break off a lock with a tire iron? If she needed gas or gas cans that badly, shoot, get some for her.

Breaking the lock with a tire iron is an extreme action, IMO.

Right again, I agree completely with you.

This has bothered me for a long time: that he'd break that lock off the shed. I don't care what OC said to him, what excuse she gave him, but I don't think an "upstanding" kind of guy is going to break into another man's shed with a tire iron or anything else.

It doesn't speak well of Tony.

[EverMoth]

I think it would depend on how much time Casey actually spent in the car and if she drove with the windows down and the a/c on high.

We know she was driving Tone's vehicle around June 17 when she visited Chris Stutz page 5 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1643389/Stutz-Chris---Statement How often did she use Tone's car before she dumped hers at Amscot on June 27?

IMO, the odor was caused by the stain in the trunk. Unless Casey came in direct contact with the stain or spent several hours driving around with the windows rolled up, the odor may not be that noticeable on Casey.

When the A's picked up the car it had been sitting with the windows up and doors locked from June 27 - July 15. IMO, the hot Florida sun would have intensified the odor.

We don't know how long she drove around with Casey's BODY in the trunk of the car in the hot summer weather. The stain came from the body back there. So, imo, the body was also responsible for the smell. That smell doesn't go away for awhile when you are exposed to it. Told the story the other day about my father who helped a friend of his pick up a corpse that had been dead for two weeks. Long story short - my dad stunk for awhile.

[Sandy001]

I don't think George called 911. He told LE in his 8/4 interview he called Orange County page 20 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/4825322/Casey-Anthony-George-Anthony-interview . jmo
Unless it is something in progress, police will usually take a report over the phone. When my laptop was stolen, they took the report over the phone and then sent an evidence person to pick up the soft drink cup that the person who took the laptop left on the patio.

[EverMoth]

des, you are so correct, and ANY head laceration bleeds A LOT!!!! More phony stories.


Oh, good one Sandy. That is so true. I bashed my forehead open on the side window when returning a truck I had rented. It was a nasty gash and it bled like crazy. It totally freaked out all of the people in the rental place - got blood all over their floor. It took a lot to get it stopped. I'd never had a head laceration before so I didn't know what to expect. Those things bleed profusely and blood gets everywhere. By the time I was done I had to clean up blood trailing throughout the rental place and all over the bathroom.

Sorry for the graphics but, if that story had been true, there would have been an alarming amount of blood. Casey never thinks before she speaks. It's like she says the first thing that comes to mind and, if it makes sense to her, that's about as far as she goes with her thought process.

[crimeq]

Good thought, but I think she pawned it, like a poster said earlier..

It seems Casey needed a lot of money in a hurry, with her stealing and perhaps pawning the ring. I wonder what happened that was different ... ?