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Ah, you are thinking much like me. Casey is a thief. She has a hair straightner.... wonder how she came up with that one? I wonder who is "missing" a hair straightner. LOL And, if Casey eventually pawned the ring, they've likely sold it by now. chuckles... wonder if we might someday see Casey Anthony's Tiffany Ring on eBay.
George also mentioned he had direct deposit contributions made to Caylees bank account. He gave Casey authorization to make withdrawals, Big Mistake. She emptied it as fast as money went in to it.
He had to stop making deposits. Why not just take Casey's access away?
ttcRider
06-10-2009, 03:45 PM
I think "event planner" is the career Casey really wanted (or wait, was that photographer?). Event planning is fun though can be chaotic. Also, it's not an "executive level" job unless you have your own very successful business. Most hotels have planners--usually called hotel sales, convention sales--something like that. They are very mid-level paying jobs.
And even lower paying if you don't have your grade 12! :rolleyes:
Dick Tracy
06-10-2009, 03:45 PM
BOLDED by me.
That is only for the sentencing phase and a vote for the DP.
All 12 jurors need to find her guilty of murder.
MY BAD! :cursing: See? I go and make a sandwich, and all hell breaks loose here!
breezie
06-10-2009, 03:48 PM
George also mentioned he had direct deposit contributions made to Caylees bank account. He gave Casey authorization to make withdrawals, Big Mistake. She emptied it as fast as money went in to it.
He had to stop making deposits. Why not just take Casey's access away?
because he's an idiot?
101Spots
06-10-2009, 03:49 PM
I don't think Cindy really wanted to adopt Caylee. Much has been said to the effect that "Casey could have just given Caylee to Cindy to raise instead of..."
I don't think so.
I think Cindy wanted Casey to take care of her child and by the evening of June 16, I think she wanted them both out of the house. As in "Get out of here, don't ever come back" "Fine with me, and I'm taking Caylee with me" "Fine. She's your daughter!"
I'm not saying cindy thought her demon daughter would harm Caylee, I'm saying she wanted them both out of the house and on their own, she wanted no more trouble from Casey, and where Casey went, Caylee belonged there, too.
Cindy didn't want to be burdened anymore by Casey, or anything having to do with Casey. Pack up and go. And Casey did. And the rest is history.
:mellow:
Having no human children of my own, I often joke that I "rent." It's less expensive, you can spoil them rotten, you can have the "good times," and then give them back when they get cranky. DH's version is "Fill 'em up with sugar and send them home."
I think that's what Cindy wanted: the admiration of the neighbors when she pushed Caylee around the neighborhood, but none of the diapers.
Please notice the word "joke" in paragraph 1.
Katprint
06-10-2009, 03:52 PM
along with an imaginary nurse, ER, Hospital and ambulance.
Why is anyone surprised that the imaginary nanny who watched Caylee while Casey was at her imaginary job, would have an imaginary laceration behind her imaginary ear that dripped imaginary blood, requiring treatment by an imaginary nurse, ER, Hospital and ambulance? This all makes perfect sense to me.
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I don't think it will help the defense. I am sure the prosecution (if they even plan to use it) would show the difference between Dec 11 and the time it was shown on tv about bones being found in Blanchard Park. Absolutely no reaction to the Blanchard Park episode. But, on Dec 11, before there was any proof of ID, even before there was anything but speculation on the part of the press about whether these were human bones, bones of a small child--she was reacting in a big way.
If I were to compare the two episodes as a juror, I'm pretty sure I would think, hmmm, no reaction to the first report. Big reaction to second report, before particulars could be addressed by LE---seems that she KNOWS whose "remains" would be found there!!!! IMO
Something that I find interesting, is that Baez did not rush to the jail on Nov 13th (Little Econ River search), but did on Dec 11th. From this, I get the feeling that Baez also knew where the remains were.
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You are right, I didn't think of that. Did he come on his own, or did someone @ the jail call him? I seem to remember there being something about her wanting him to be there, but can't remember if he was already there or on the way on his own. Or if the jail staff even had to opportunity to call him before he came.
The A's were a little backward from that. Making a fuss @ JBP, but that WAS before the bones were found there. I don't recall what their reaction was to those. Their reaction to the wooded area remains was beyond wierd--whether they knew it was her or not--to just calmly enjoy an expensive meal. If they did NOT know, one would think they would have been pacing the hotel room awaiting word.
bballgrl
06-10-2009, 03:55 PM
Why is anyone surprised that the invisible nanny would have an invisible laceration that dripped invisible blood, requiring treatment by an imaginary nurse, ER, Hospital and ambulance? This all makes perfect sense to me.
Katprint
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Ok, now it's MY bad... LOL - I am pointing out the obvious here. :thumbup:
I just think it is very telling that they had all these wonderfully elaborate stories about a Nanny that has never existed. They must have talked about Zanny for hours to get their stories straight. What I don't understand is... if Cindy knew so much about the "Nanny", why did she never ask to meet her. I mean all the colorful stories.. the dog.. the generosity of Zanny... why would you not want to MEET such a paragon of virtue that is taking care of your ONLY grandchild?
EverMoth
06-10-2009, 03:55 PM
Why is anyone surprised that the imaginary nanny who watched Caylee while Casey was at her imaginary job, would have an imaginary laceration behind her imaginary ear that dripped imaginary blood, requiring treatment by an imaginary nurse, ER, Hospital and ambulance? This all makes perfect sense to me.
Katprint
Always only my own opinions
:laugh: At this point, no. Nothing suprises me anymore. But initially I was very surprised that she could have been so stupid since these "stories" can be tracked and found to be false. I didn't understand for awhile just what kind of an individual we were dealing with here. Now it's all quite clear.
Good Morning Sun! Nope you are not confused. Cindy's mom told LE her husband had recently had a set-back but was doing better.
No mention of George going to his MIL's that weekend. Was he at home? I do not recall George mentioning that weekend in his interviews with LE. Now that I think about it, I don't remember George giving LE any dates or timeline during his interviews. Lee did, Cindy did, Casey's friends did. Why didn't George?
jmo
ETA ~ That is going to drive me nuts about not remembering George giving LE dates or a timeline. Am I going to have to go back and re-read and watch the videos again?:scared:
One date he DID mention would be July 16 as the day he saw Casey and Caylee skipping off to babysitter and work. If that is the only time he specified a date, wonder why he would name that date, but not others?
Stella Rose
06-10-2009, 04:00 PM
Is "stolen from someone else" an included subset of "used"? I have no trouble picturing Casey gently sliding the ring off of the finger of someone passed-out drunk at a party. Casey stole her good friend Amy Huizenga's checkbook accidentally left in the car that Amy was letting Casey drive and drained Amy's bank account as quickly as possible, plus there was the cash that Casey apparently stole but then convinced Amy that Amy had hidden it somewhere, plus Casey stole whatever she could from any of her relatives (Cindy's credit cards, Caylee's piggy bank, forging a check from her grandma, etc.) who gave her the slightest opportunity to do so. Surely Casey would not hesitate to steal from more distant acquaintances as well.
Katprint
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Sure thing Katprint. I'm sure Casey was quite familiar with that type of "used".
Pruddennce
06-10-2009, 04:03 PM
Good thought, but I think she pawned it, like a poster said earlier..
hey Char, a used lower priced Tiffany ring would hardly be a retainer as the previous poster indicated. You can buy a new one, silver for $150.
I dont think she pawned it. IMO Cindy asked because she either was poised to accuse LE of stealing it, (similar to her rant about her Universal ID on the lanyard chain), OR it is connected to Caylee somehow.
IMO
best regards,
Pru
*waiting on maggot evidence...*
Stella Rose
06-10-2009, 04:03 PM
Why is anyone surprised that the imaginary nanny who watched Caylee while Casey was at her imaginary job, would have an imaginary laceration behind her imaginary ear that dripped imaginary blood, requiring treatment by an imaginary nurse, ER, Hospital and ambulance? This all makes perfect sense to me.
Katprint
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Well, when you put it that way... Sure. But you forgot the imaginary dog. :thumbup:
Gee, I really shouldn't be re-listening to Cindy's LE interviews.
After just finishing part 2 where Cindy discussed the paternity of Caylee, and such, I feel something very disturbing. I just wonder what lengths would Cindy have gone to, to prevent "anyone" (even Casey) from taking Caylee away from her. Was this something that Casey already felt, and Casey just killed Caylee to prevent Cindy from ending up with Caylee? Could Casey have hated Cindy that much?
The dysfunction in the Anthony family is so disturbing.
Grandma Shirley Pleasa is the one who made the statement--to Yuri when he and someone went to Mt Dora to interview her---Casey hates Cindy more than she loves Caylee. Perhaps she had something there????
I was looking at older video clips of Cindy, early in the case. She totally thought she had the press in her hand and was going to control the media spin.
There is one clip of her coming out of Sheriff's dept or jail and the press is following her clamoring for answers and she is just thinking " i am the bomb" she tells them " there's no story here guys,no story" and looking at the contacts listing from her phone, it's filled with reporters and producers names and numbers. She can't finish her interview with LE who is frantically trying to find her grand daughter, because she has an interview with the press. Watching her I can totally see where Casey got her over inflated sense of importance and grandiose ideas, imagine carrying around a binder labelled "Media Coverage" as you strut into your attorney's office.
Maybe Cindy thought if I act like I believe Casey's lies and BS, the police will think it's true also.
Delusional, totally Delusional.
Pruddennce
06-10-2009, 04:08 PM
Why is anyone surprised that the imaginary nanny who watched Caylee while Casey was at her imaginary job, would have an imaginary laceration behind her imaginary ear that dripped imaginary blood, requiring treatment by an imaginary nurse, ER, Hospital and ambulance? This all makes perfect sense to me.
Katprint
Always only my own opinions
or as Cindy would say: its 'starting' to make sense, and, the pieces of the puzzle are starting to fit... :D
IMO
best regards,
Pru
*waiting on maggot evidence....*
because he's an idiot?
ding ding ding, we have a winner here!!!
Unleashed
06-10-2009, 04:13 PM
Why is anyone surprised that the imaginary nanny who watched Caylee while Casey was at her imaginary job, would have an imaginary laceration behind her imaginary ear that dripped imaginary blood, requiring treatment by an imaginary nurse, ER, Hospital and ambulance? This all makes perfect sense to me.
Katprint
Always only my own opinions
Yes, Kat, but where is the imaginary dog? There's no such thing as an imaginary kennel.
JMO
desmom
06-10-2009, 04:13 PM
George also mentioned he had direct deposit contributions made to Caylees bank account. He gave Casey authorization to make withdrawals, Big Mistake. She emptied it as fast as money went in to it.
He had to stop making deposits. Why not just take Casey's access away?
Taking Casey's name off the account would be the normal thing to do. ummm, but we are talking the A's. jmo
One date he DID mention would be July 16 as the day he saw Casey and Caylee skipping off to babysitter and work. If that is the only time he specified a date, wonder why he would name that date, but not others?
I think that was the day the script started. It was when the entire Anthony family had to "ACT" as though everything was normal..
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I don't think it will help the defense. I am sure the prosecution (if they even plan to use it) would show the difference between Dec 11 and the time it was shown on tv about bones being found in Blanchard Park. Absolutely no reaction to the Blanchard Park episode. But, on Dec 11, before there was any proof of ID, even before there was anything but speculation on the part of the press about whether these were human bones, bones of a small child--she was reacting in a big way.
If I were to compare the two episodes as a juror, I'm pretty sure I would think, hmmm, no reaction to the first report. Big reaction to second report, before particulars could be addressed by LE---seems that she KNOWS whose "remains" would be found there!!!! IMO
Something that I find interesting, is that Baez did not rush to the jail on Nov 13th (Little Econ River search), but did on Dec 11th. From this, I get the feeling that Baez also knew where the remains were.
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You are right, I didn't think of that. Did he come on his own, or did someone @ the jail call him? I seem to remember there being something about her wanting him to be there, but can't remember if he was already there or on the way on his own. Or if the jail staff even had to opportunity to call him before he came.
The A's were a little backward from that. Making a fuss @ JBP, but that WAS before the bones were found there. I don't recall what their reaction was to those. Their reaction to the wooded area remains was beyond wierd--whether they knew it was her or not--to just calmly enjoy an expensive meal. If they did NOT know, one would think they would have been pacing the hotel room awaiting word.
I did look up on Casey's visitor's inmate log. Here are the entries surrounding the two different dates (JBP dive/search on Nov 13th I believe, and Dec 11th). Baez sure didn't rush to be at Casey's side on Nov 13th when all the news was broadcasting about a Discovery being found at JBP.
ADAM GABRIEL E 12/19/2008 20:56:38 to 21:49:28 ATTORNEY VISIT
BAEZ JOSE ANGEL 12/19/2008 14:32:09 to 15:21:36 ATTORNEY VISIT
STUTZMAN THOMAS SHANE 12/19/2008 13:59:31 to 14:18:50 JAIL MINISTRIES
GARCIA JOSE LUIS 12/19/2008 11:41:21 to 15:21:46 ATTORNEY VISIT
ADAM GABRIEL E 12/18/2008 19:07:24 to 20:22:38 ATTORNEY VISIT
GARCIA JOSE LUIS 12/18/2008 06:40:03 to 07:35:14 ATTORNEY VISIT
BAEZ JOSE ANGEL 12/17/2008 22:31:18 to 23:07:39 ATTORNEY VISIT
STUTZMAN THOMAS SHANE 12/16/2008 09:35:45 to 12:45:45 JAIL MINISTRIES
GARCIA JOSE LUIS 12/15/2008 18:56:18 to 20:30:46 ATTORNEY VISIT
GARCIA JOSE LUIS 12/15/2008 07:28:01 to 07:42:49 ATTORNEY VISIT
ADAM GABRIEL E 12/15/2008 07:16:47 to 07:42:43 ATTORNEY VISIT
GARCIA JOSE LUIS 12/14/2008 10:27:50 to 11:32:38 ATTORNEY VISIT
BAEZ JOSE ANGEL 12/11/2008 20:04:12 to 21:05:19 ATTORNEY VISIT
GARCIA JOSE LUIS 12/11/2008 16:42:14 to 20:23:15 ATTORNEY VISIT
BAEZ JOSE ANGEL 12/11/2008 11:55:53 to 13:33:13 ATTORNEY VISIT
ADAM GABRIEL E 12/10/2008 21:44:09 to 12/11/2008 04:39:37 ATTORNEY VISIT
ADAM GABRIEL E 12/9/2008 20:45:08 to 21:36:19 ATTORNEY VISIT
ADAM GABRIEL E 12/8/2008 20:47:40 to 22:04:26 ATTORNEY VISIT
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BAEZ JOSE ANGEL 11/15/2008 16:55:54 to 18:05:19 ATTORNEY VISIT
GARCIA JOSE LUIS 11/13/2008 23:28:27 to 23:43:25 ATTORNEY VISIT
BAEZ JOSE ANGEL 11/13/2008 22:49:42 to 23:43:22 ATTORNEY VISIT
BAEZ JOSE ANGEL 11/12/2008 18:45:29 to 20:20:07 ATTORNEY VISIT
GARCIA JOSE LUIS 11/11/2008 19:03:12 to 21:30:51 JAIL MINISTRIES
Ok, now it's MY bad... LOL - I am pointing out the obvious here. :thumbup:
I just think it is very telling that they had all these wonderfully elaborate stories about a Nanny that has never existed. They must have talked about Zanny for hours to get their stories straight. What I don't understand is... if Cindy knew so much about the "Nanny", why did she never ask to meet her. I mean all the colorful stories.. the dog.. the generosity of Zanny... why would you not want to MEET such a paragon of virtue that is taking care of your ONLY grandchild?
didn't Casey tell her how shy and retiring Zanny was? That's why there were no pictures. She didn't want any attention brought to herself at all, I mean here is a woman who depending on which way the wind is blowing is either paid 400 bucks a week, babysits purely from the goodness of her heart and love for Caylee or is compensated by the equally mysterious and generous and invisible Jeff H for watching his also invisible toddler Zachary.
EverMoth
06-10-2009, 04:20 PM
Taking Casey's name off the account would be the normal thing to do. ummm, but we are talking the A's. jmo
It makes me wonder if Casey was holding something over them for most of her life. It's almost like her parents were held hostage by Casey's knowledge about something. Heck - their baby granddaughter was murdered and they are covering up for Casey. Why? Has Casey been blackmailing them for years now with inside knowledge?
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the date that DCasey was searching on Suburan Drive Nov 15th?
101Spots
06-10-2009, 04:25 PM
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GARCIA JOSE LUIS 11/13/2008 23:28:27 to 23:43:25 ATTORNEY VISIT
BAEZ JOSE ANGEL 11/13/2008 22:49:42 to 23:43:22 ATTORNEY VISIT
OK, how many of us have attorneys that visit us from 10:49 PM to 11:43 PM? That's PM folks, PM. Night time. Late night time.
And Katprint and Lapis don't count, since they're not getting paid.
OK, how many of us have attorneys that visit us from 10:49 PM to 11:43 PM? That's PM folks, PM. Night time. Late night time.
And Katprint and Lapis don't count, since they're not getting paid.
How many criminals could even "afford" as many in-jail visits as Casey seems to get? I once counted and she received 48 visits in a 60-day period. Can you imagine that attorney bill?
Stella Rose
06-10-2009, 04:33 PM
didn't Casey tell her how shy and retiring Zanny was? That's why there were no pictures. She didn't want any attention brought to herself at all, I mean here is a woman who depending on which way the wind is blowing is either paid 400 bucks a week, babysits purely from the goodness of her heart and love for Caylee or is compensated by the equally mysterious and generous and invisible Jeff H for watching his also invisible toddler Zachary.
Boy, if I was such a "10" my pictures would be plastered from here to California.
GIGI4256
06-10-2009, 04:37 PM
I don't profess to know how it went down, but I think Cindy was tired of having Caylee so much...she loved her in her own way...I won't say she didn't...but she worked full time...Georgie hardly worked...the burden of the whole household depended on Cindy and I just think she was TIRED...wanted some peace...wanted some free time...I as a grandparent know I love to have my grands around...but it's also nice to send them home...LOL
Well then she should have let the MOTY do the right thing and give Caylee up for adoption. She'd be alive and happy now. JMO
saywhat04
06-10-2009, 04:44 PM
Isn't this a strange action? Tony has seemed such an upright guy--but who would consent to break off a lock with a tire iron? If she needed gas or gas cans that badly, shoot, get some for her.
Breaking the lock with a tire iron is an extreme action, IMO.
I think it's conceivable LE had something minor on Tony, and that's why he's been so cooperative with them ... recording that conversation with Lee, staying away from media, etc.
I don't think Tony is necessarily a choir boy. I don't think he's a criminal, either, just rather average.
saywhat04
06-10-2009, 04:49 PM
You couldn't get a Tiffany ring at Pennys. Only from a Tiffany store or online/used.
(sorry - shopoholic weighing in)
Yeah, I was gonna point that out earlier. :blushing:
I happen to own a Tiffany ring. They are not that hard to come by. And not all of them are expensive. The one on the OC's finger didn't look too pricey, imo.
margaritaville
06-10-2009, 04:49 PM
I did look up on Casey's visitor's inmate log. Here are the entries surrounding the two different dates (JBP dive/search on Nov 13th I believe, and Dec 11th). Baez sure didn't rush to be at Casey's side on Nov 13th when all the news was broadcasting about a Discovery being found at JBP.
ADAM GABRIEL E 12/19/2008 20:56:38 to 21:49:28 ATTORNEY VISIT
BAEZ JOSE ANGEL 12/19/2008 14:32:09 to 15:21:36 ATTORNEY VISIT
STUTZMAN THOMAS SHANE 12/19/2008 13:59:31 to 14:18:50 JAIL MINISTRIES
GARCIA JOSE LUIS 12/19/2008 11:41:21 to 15:21:46 ATTORNEY VISIT
ADAM GABRIEL E 12/18/2008 19:07:24 to 20:22:38 ATTORNEY VISIT
GARCIA JOSE LUIS 12/18/2008 06:40:03 to 07:35:14 ATTORNEY VISIT
BAEZ JOSE ANGEL 12/17/2008 22:31:18 to 23:07:39 ATTORNEY VISIT
STUTZMAN THOMAS SHANE 12/16/2008 09:35:45 to 12:45:45 JAIL MINISTRIES
GARCIA JOSE LUIS 12/15/2008 18:56:18 to 20:30:46 ATTORNEY VISIT
GARCIA JOSE LUIS 12/15/2008 07:28:01 to 07:42:49 ATTORNEY VISIT
ADAM GABRIEL E 12/15/2008 07:16:47 to 07:42:43 ATTORNEY VISIT
GARCIA JOSE LUIS 12/14/2008 10:27:50 to 11:32:38 ATTORNEY VISIT
BAEZ JOSE ANGEL 12/11/2008 20:04:12 to 21:05:19 ATTORNEY VISIT
GARCIA JOSE LUIS 12/11/2008 16:42:14 to 20:23:15 ATTORNEY VISIT
BAEZ JOSE ANGEL 12/11/2008 11:55:53 to 13:33:13 ATTORNEY VISIT
ADAM GABRIEL E 12/10/2008 21:44:09 to 12/11/2008 04:39:37 ATTORNEY VISIT
ADAM GABRIEL E 12/9/2008 20:45:08 to 21:36:19 ATTORNEY VISIT
ADAM GABRIEL E 12/8/2008 20:47:40 to 22:04:26 ATTORNEY VISIT
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BAEZ JOSE ANGEL 11/15/2008 16:55:54 to 18:05:19 ATTORNEY VISIT
GARCIA JOSE LUIS 11/13/2008 23:28:27 to 23:43:25 ATTORNEY VISIT
BAEZ JOSE ANGEL 11/13/2008 22:49:42 to 23:43:22 ATTORNEY VISIT
BAEZ JOSE ANGEL 11/12/2008 18:45:29 to 20:20:07 ATTORNEY VISIT
GARCIA JOSE LUIS 11/11/2008 19:03:12 to 21:30:51 JAIL MINISTRIES
This has probably been discussed a million times but I have never caught this before...
Is Jose's middle name Angel?? (that couldn't be further from the truth)
Katprint
06-10-2009, 04:51 PM
Isn't this a strange action? Tony has seemed such an upright guy--but who would consent to break off a lock with a tire iron? If she needed gas or gas cans that badly, shoot, get some for her.
Breaking the lock with a tire iron is an extreme action, IMO.
I think it's conceivable LE had something minor on Tony, and that's why he's been so cooperative with them ... recording that conversation with Lee, staying away from media, etc.
I don't think Tony is necessarily a choir boy. I don't think he's a criminal, either, just rather average.
IIRC Tony was also in the security video with Casey when Casey used Cindy's JC Penney's card.
I think LE basically made a deal with Tony along the lines of, "Do this hidden video interview with Lee and we will forget all about your complicity in Casey's theft/fraud/other minor crimes."
Katprint
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Yeah, I was gonna point that out earlier. :blushing:
I happen to own a Tiffany ring. They are not that hard to come by. And not all of them are expensive. The one on the OC's finger didn't look too pricey, imo.
Has it ever been proven that the ring is even a "Tiffany" ring? Has anyone been able to authenticate that from the pics? Just because Casey or Cindy "says" that it's a Tiffany Ring, doesn't make it so. LOL
saywhat04
06-10-2009, 04:53 PM
George also mentioned he had direct deposit contributions made to Caylees bank account. He gave Casey authorization to make withdrawals, Big Mistake. She emptied it as fast as money went in to it.
He had to stop making deposits. Why not just take Casey's access away?
That's if you believe George. I'm backtracking now and questioning more and more of what he said, even stuff pointing to Casey's bad behavior.
saywhat04
06-10-2009, 05:05 PM
It makes me wonder if Casey was holding something over them for most of her life. It's almost like her parents were held hostage by Casey's knowledge about something. Heck - their baby granddaughter was murdered and they are covering up for Casey. Why? Has Casey been blackmailing them for years now with inside knowledge?
Imo, G&C were completely entangled in Casey's life and vice versa. Casey lived in their home with her child -- never lived elsewhere or on her own. They'd been enabling her bad behavior for years, contributing to her growing odiousness. Because of the closeness and entanglement, to accuse Casey, or even to remain objective, is to bring attention to their own role in all this. Just because they don't admit any fault or responsibility (for anything), doesn't mean they don't realize they do, in fact, bear some responsibility. imo
As much as Cindy says now that she believes everything Casey told her, I bet she really didn't believe squat. I bet there were threats to each other every phone conversation, until Casey stopped taking any of her calls. Then it was all texts.
@ the beginning, Cindy says, even when Casey tells the truth, she lies (paraphrased.) She says she needs to talk to Casey long enough to get the truth, I do believe she tho't she could accomplish this in about an hour's time. So she had @ LEAST an hour w/Casey, but it took LEE being there to get ANYTHING out of Casey.
You are probably right about the threats--"I'm not gonna answer the phone anymore, Ma!!!!" And right about Cindy not believing Casey--you have to wonder why she didn't DO something about it!!!! HA!!!! And, after HOW MANY MONTHS, does she start saying, "well, Casey is the mother, I wouldn't interfere w/her decisions about Caylee.!!!! HA!!!!
saywhat04
06-10-2009, 05:08 PM
Has it ever been proven that the ring is even a "Tiffany" ring? Has anyone been able to authenticate that from the pics? Just because Casey or Cindy "says" that it's a Tiffany Ring, doesn't make it so. LOL
Good point. Could be a fake. So fitting. :rolleyes:
George also mentioned he had direct deposit contributions made to Caylees bank account. He gave Casey authorization to make withdrawals, Big Mistake. She emptied it as fast as money went in to it.
He had to stop making deposits. Why not just take Casey's access away?
This almost sounds like something like child-support, Anthony style. hmmmm
PuffDragon
06-10-2009, 05:10 PM
because he's an idiot?
Or maybe because he wanted Casey to take it. Sort of like when Daddy slips the offspring a bill after a visit, hoping that the child would use it for necessities even though he knows that it will almost certainly be used for 'recreational' purposes.
PuffDragon
06-10-2009, 05:13 PM
Having no human children of my own, I often joke that I "rent." It's less expensive, you can spoil them rotten, you can have the "good times," and then give them back when they get cranky. DH's version is "Fill 'em up with sugar and send them home."
I think that's what Cindy wanted: the admiration of the neighbors when she pushed Caylee around the neighborhood, but none of the diapers.
Please notice the word "joke" in paragraph 1.
*Bolding mine
Actually, I think that's what Casey wanted.
Yes, "renting" is the way to go. That's what grandparents and aunties are for. It balances off the parents' side. :smile:
summer4meplz
06-10-2009, 05:13 PM
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the date that DCasey was searching on Suburan Drive Nov 15th?
yes, i believe so....and one of the biggest 'coincidences".....lenny had the media at blanchard park looking in the river......hmmmmm....:sneaky:
FoxySly
06-10-2009, 05:14 PM
George also mentioned he had direct deposit contributions made to Caylees bank account. He gave Casey authorization to make withdrawals, Big Mistake. She emptied it as fast as money went in to it.
He had to stop making deposits. Why not just take Casey's access away?
~ My bold
I recall that interview also & it didn't sit right with me. I wonder if ga really did have a account for precious Caylee? :confused:
This 'family' tells the truth so seldom I ponder on everything they say & why.
Even when it's a simple thing & the truth would do them better they choose to lie... even going wayyyyyyyyyy out their way to do so.
Beyond strange to me.
Sly
~
OK...she did do somethings...but IMHO...not much...I think she looked for them about as much as she searched for Caylee after she reported her missing and searched for the real killer after the fact.
I'm sorry, but if this was my grandchild...I would be out there searching everyday...not selling T-shirts and bracelets on the corner. To me Cindy's plea's on TV for Caylee's return were pretty feeble...cause at that point I think she new...in fact I think Cindy and George knew that Caylee was dead when they retrieved the car from the tow yard. At that point they were in denial that then turned to cover-up.
Altho I have never been in their shoes, I would think that SEARCHING FOR CAYLEE would be the prime purpose of the A's, regardless of HOW Caylee would be found. For sure, they wanted Caylee to be alive, we all did!!! STRANGERS wanted her to be alive, so I DO get it that her own grandparents wanted her to be alive. But to demand that no one even LOOK for Caylee unless it was to find her alive--that was just soooo way out there.
Good thing their book isn't out yet, so little Nevaegh's grandma didn't read it and wasn't in front of the cameras everyday demanding the searchers quit searching the countryside and rivers and lakes, but only look in apartments and stores and other places one might find a live child. She either knew it was 50-50 that her granddaughter would not be alive, so knew the searches had to go that way, too. Or, she kept inside her apartment and expressed her frustrations with no one around.
IMO
saywhat04
06-10-2009, 05:16 PM
@ the beginning, Cindy says, even when Casey tells the truth, she lies (paraphrased.) She says she needs to talk to Casey long enough to get the truth, I do believe she tho't she could accomplish this in about an hour's time. So she had @ LEAST an hour w/Casey, but it took LEE being there to get ANYTHING out of Casey.
You are probably right about the threats--"I'm not gonna answer the phone anymore, Ma!!!!" And right about Cindy not believing Casey--you have to wonder why she didn't DO something about it!!!! HA!!!! And, after HOW MANY MONTHS, does she start saying, "well, Casey is the mother, I wouldn't interfere w/her decisions about Caylee.!!!! HA!!!!
Typical arrogant Cindy to assume she was EVER getting the truth out of Casey. Casey was blowing smoke up Cindy's posterior 24/7, and apparently Cindy was too ignorant, or was doing too much smoke blowing of her own, to notice.
And don't you just love it that suddenly Cindy is using her "I'm just the grandma" excuse to explain all the Grand Canyon-sized gaps in her knowledge of Casey's lifestyle, nanny, and so forth? So typical. She lies til her back is against the wall, and then look out. Depending on the circumstance, she'll trot out her grieving grandma routine to throw in your face. Or worse, she'll find someone convenient to throw under the bus, including her own precious children. She did it to Lee when LE pressed her for her JCP statements. And she's in effect doing it to Casey when she retreats to her "I was just the grandma" fallback position.
She's a despicable human being. imo
desmom
06-10-2009, 05:18 PM
Re the "Tiffany ring"
I do not think the ring is a Tiffany, but a Tiffany inspired ring.
Check out pic #10 http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3221.0
Then look at this ring: http://www.86wholesale.com/catalog/?d-413.html
I do not think the one above is identical to Casey's, but pretty close.
ETA ~ I have always wondered if the reason Cindy asked about the ring is because it has some connection to Caylee. i.e. Something Cindy and Casey saw while shopping for the baby while Casey was still pregnant or maybe something Cindy and George gave to Casey when Caylee was born.
EverMoth
06-10-2009, 05:18 PM
Imo, G&C were completely entangled in Casey's life and vice versa. Casey lived in their home with her child -- never lived elsewhere or on her own. They'd been enabling her bad behavior for years, contributing to her growing odiousness. Because of the closeness and entanglement, to accuse Casey, or even to remain objective, is to bring attention to their own role in all this. Just because they don't admit any fault or responsibility (for anything), doesn't mean they don't realize they do, in fact, bear some responsibility. imo
EXCELLENT response. Wow - this is an utterly dysfunctional and negatively co-dependent family. ICK!
3girls
06-10-2009, 05:21 PM
This is one that gets me.
ADAM GABRIEL E 12/10/2008 21:44:09 to 12/11/2008 04:39:37 ATTORNEY VISIT
desmom, I have a hard time believing much of what George says in regards to the gas cans. The date is memorialized by the theft report with LE. But, how do we know that the gas cans were returned to the Anthony home in the manner that George described. ....George has lied about so many things, and so I just don't put much weight to what he says.
Tony did finally tell LE that Casey asked him to break the lock off the shed (with his tire iron), so that she could get the gas cans. So, I do believe that the gas cans were in Casey's possession at that point, just not sure how they came to be back in the Anthony home.
The gas can return did happen, IMO, but the trouble is--HOW did it happen, since George first said he wasn't allowed near the car, that Casey brought them to him (which is most likely how it occured, cuz I'm thinking Casey didn't want him to get close enough for the smell that had gotten worse--altho not as bad as it would get.) It was only after Cindy and/or George (and I'm putting my money on Cindy) realized that people and therefore possibly LE felt that pointed to Casey as having something to cover up that he changed his story to HE took the cans out of the car.
I think, @ the first, most of the time, George really was telling the truth--the car DID smell like a dead body, he tho't the dead body smell could be Caylee, etc. Cindy wasn't about to let him speak without her around, every time he did, he had to change his story the next time someone asked about a particular issue, after Cindy either watched it on the news, or possibly he would tell her what he said. Now, I don't think that George says much @ all without either Cindy being there, or their discussing it before hand. Like, I think they practiced before the depos. Too bad they didn't use the little trick high school speach students are told to do---practice in front of a mirror. Not sure that would have changed their presentation, tho, they probably tho't it was a stupendous job they did.
ConchGirl
06-10-2009, 05:28 PM
This is one that gets me.
ADAM GABRIEL E 12/10/2008 21:44:09 to 12/11/2008 04:39:37 ATTORNEY VISIT
Very interesting. Jose went to court on 12/11 in the am to waive the speedy trial. Little did they know that the remains would be found while he was at the courthouse. imo
Who would call 911 for two stolen gas cans...at $10.00 each. That always surprised me.
I can't remember reading a police report (if one was made--like you say, $20 theft?) But, I'm wondering if George tho't (or knew) it was Casey who had taken those cans. And they have figured out she is in the house when both of them are out, but they aren't able to trackher down. Perhaps he tho't if he got the police on the trail of stolen gas cans, they would lead the A's to Casey. Or, @ the least, they would possibly meet up w/her @ the police station.
If that was his plan, it didn't seem to work out. Except that Casey did show up (without Caylee) to return them. Another thing I don't remember (sorry I have CRS today) is whether or not he even bothered to ask her about Caylee that day.
desmom
06-10-2009, 05:33 PM
It makes me wonder if Casey was holding something over them for most of her life. It's almost like her parents were held hostage by Casey's knowledge about something. Heck - their baby granddaughter was murdered and they are covering up for Casey. Why? Has Casey been blackmailing them for years now with inside knowledge?
I do not think so. I think Casey is "The Chosen Child" in the Anthony family. "The Chosen Child" is never told no, is showered with everything they could possibly want or need and more and the family cleans up their messes. The Chosen Child is never ever held responsible. It is always someone's fault, but never ever is it The Chosen Child's fault.
When Caylee was born, I think she became "The Chosen Child". IMO, that did not sit well with Casey.
summer4meplz
06-10-2009, 05:37 PM
This is one that gets me.
ADAM GABRIEL E 12/10/2008 21:44:09 to 12/11/2008 04:39:37 ATTORNEY VISIT
does that mean he was there for around 7 hours? in the middle of the night?
Ok, listening to George when asked about a timeline. Thanks so much for the link. The question to George was to "when he saw the baby last, or his daughter"
George said that he normally had FRI and SAT off, worked 3-11 Sun-Thurs. According to George, 7:30-8 was George's rising time, and 9-10 is where Casey and Caylee would come out. Caylee and Casey slept together most of the time. Lots of times George said he would be the one giving her breakfast, taking her outside to play, watching TV/DVDs.
Which is one of the things that makes me very suspicious of George's seeing them leave around 1pm. He is sure they were asleep in their room (each in their own, both in one's?) the night of the 15th. Cindy says she could "hear" them sleep. Then, all the next am, they both stayed in the room? A little 2 1/2 y/o wasn't making noises about wanting some Cheerios? Not asking to go to the potty? Even if Casey might have slept in, a 2 1/2 y/o doesn't normally, not all am. No noises from their room, all morning, but he sees them leaving. Right, George, and I have this bridge in Manhattan I'd like to sell you.
Very interesting. Jose went to court on 12/11 in the am to waive the speedy trial. Little did they know that the remains would be found while he was at the courthouse. imo
And, while in the courtroom, I remember Baez telling the Judge that he had spoke to Casey that same day (Baez failed to properly file a signed waiver for Casey and the Judge was questioning him on it). Guess ole Jose must have spoke to Casey by phone, cause his name sure isn't on Casey's Inmate Visitor's list for Dec 11th.
margaritaville
06-10-2009, 05:41 PM
does that mean he was there for around 7 hours? in the middle of the night?
yep..............................
farrahrani
06-10-2009, 05:42 PM
Ah, yes, Jeff of the Tiffany ring. What's the deal with this ring? Any ideas?
Is this the same Jeff that was supposed to pay the invisible Zanny for everyone's kids? The Jeff that was her boyfriend? That dated Zanny and broke up with her and was on good enough terms to have her watch his kid? pardon me for being skeptical that he ever gave Casey a ring, lol. Unless it comes out of HIS mouth, I'm not convinced. :glare:
Is there any evidence he gave it to her? Or is this like Casey's hair straightener that Zanny gave to her?
does that mean he was there for around 7 hours? in the middle of the night?
LOL... I don't make this stuff up, that's the way it's shown on Casey's Inmate Visitors Log. Casey didn't attend the court hearing on Dec 11 either, guess meeting with Baez's flunkies was more important to her. Check it out, here is a link.
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/090123UPDATEDVisitation%20Log%20Anthony.pdf
Yeah, he is #5 on my speed dial.......JUST KIDDING!!
I'm jealous!!! I didn't get LP's number!!! :angry:
ConchGirl
06-10-2009, 05:48 PM
does that mean he was there for around 7 hours? in the middle of the night?
The remains were found around 9:30 am. Poor Casey must have been exhausted with so little sleep the night before. jmo
Katprint
06-10-2009, 05:50 PM
I'm jealous!!! I didn't get LP's number!!! :angry:
It's not a big secret. Here's a link to his website: http://www.leonardpadilla.net/
Address and telephone number are in the top right corner.
Katprint
Always only my own opinions
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19716269/detail.html
Here is the latest motion that Baez has filed with the court, in regards to DCasey's phone records. I began reading it, and immediately knew that this was not something that Baez or his firm had drafted. Baez did sign it, but I'm 100% certain that someone from outside of his firm drafted it. Take a look!
He too like all the rest of the vultures for the defense wont let this case down...I believe that Lenny wants a part in the movie.....I keep hearing NG say that Lenny is going to be a witness in this case but I have yet to hear which side he will be a witness for....
He always downs Cindy and Lee but he seems to try and insibuate that the murder was an accident.....so it makes me wonder....
Sometimes I think NG is deliberately not saying....
I'm not sure what LP would have to offer either side. He was the one who got her out on bond altho he wasn't the one who put up the money. He was kicked out of the A's house after about 15 minutes of their arriving there. Everything he has to say is going to be hearsay. He allegedly got his information from talking to Lee, to the female body guard in the house when Casey was there, his FBI friend, listening to what George or Cindy had to say, what D Casey or Hoover told him. Those people are all alive, able to speak. Any information he got from them, they would be the ones who would have to testify to what they said. IMO
neid_77
06-10-2009, 05:54 PM
I'm sorry if this has been posted already but this is the motionn to strike casey's motion to not give up his cell phone records
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19716269/detail.html
what do y'all think?
Caylee Marie:wub:
LOL.... Good one! Drive it home to the Jury, that Casey has been a liar for a long, long time. And, also give the Jury the message and George and Cindy aren't very bright or observant.
And find the quotes from Cindy to the media or talk show hosts, or in her LE/FBI interviews where she SAYS Casey is a liar. Point out exactly HOW MANY TIMES Cindy said that.
Question: Casey has not been found guilty of the bank theft charges. Will the prosecution be able to show Casey's shopping trip videos when "she was looking for Caylee?"
IMO, the buying of groceries, clothing and beer do not show a mother in panic over her missing daughter.
TIA
I would think they wouldn't have to use the fact that she is using stolen cash or stolen checks. All they need to show is her leisurely shopping @ a time she should be frantic to be looking for her baby. Or, the fact that, in all the shopping she did, there was not one item that would be bought for a 2 1/2 y/o child. CASEY got clothes and sunglasses, no little clothes for a toddler. CASEY got food items that, even if they were suitable for a toddler, weren't the type of foods a toddler would be interested in. Well, perhaps she figured she'd wait until after the nanny returned Caylee before she took her shopping.
ConchGirl
06-10-2009, 06:07 PM
I would think they wouldn't have to use the fact that she is using stolen cash or stolen checks. All they need to show is her leisurely shopping @ a time she should be frantic to be looking for her baby. Or, the fact that, in all the shopping she did, there was not one item that would be bought for a 2 1/2 y/o child. CASEY got clothes and sunglasses, no little clothes for a toddler. CASEY got food items that, even if they were suitable for a toddler, weren't the type of foods a toddler would be interested in. Well, perhaps she figured she'd wait until after the nanny returned Caylee before she took her shopping.Let's not forget the bra and beer she purchased while she was frantically searching for Caylee. moo
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Originally Posted by Sun
LOL.... Good one! Drive it home to the Jury, that Casey has been a liar for a long, long time. And, also give the Jury the message and George and Cindy aren't very bright or observant.
And find the quotes from Cindy to the media or talk show hosts, or in her LE/FBI interviews where she SAYS Casey is a liar. Point out exactly HOW MANY TIMES Cindy said that.
Cindy normally says "mis-truths" "mis-statements" "half-truths" etc. LOL
my bold
I had not heard this! Cindy, in her conversation with Amy, actually talked about WHO was DEAD in the trunk? So when Cindy found the car she knew a dead body either was or had been in the trunk but she didn't, at that time, know whether it was Casey or Caylee? Why on God's green earth would she have NOT called LE when she found the car. I had thought she knew it was Caylee and the cover up started then but, if she also thought it could possibly have been Casey, how could she have gone back to work?
What person, who hasn't had contact with their daughter and granddaughter and discovers their car, previously abandoned and smelling like death, wouldn't call LE? That is beyond strange.
She knew from the towyard info that the car had been in the towyard since June 30. She had been in contact via phone or text w/Casey everyday, sometimes twice a day, according to her. Of course, the beauty of cell phones is that the person on the other end doesn't have a clue as to where you are. So, she might not have known WHERE Casey was, but she knew Casey was alive, as she had spoken to her after June 30. Unless they are lying about their phone contact w/Casey, they knew she was alive.
I hadn't heard that Cindy even went to work that day. I do recall her statement that she and George were cleaning the car and she told George to go ahead and go to work. Now, I don't understand HIS going to work, either, what w/the dead body smell in the car and all.
ConchGirl
06-10-2009, 06:13 PM
Cindy normally says "mis-truths" "mis-statements" "half-truths" etc. LOL There are called lies in my family.
Katprint
06-10-2009, 06:14 PM
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19716269/detail.html
Here is the latest motion that Baez has filed with the court, in regards to DCasey's phone records. I began reading it, and immediately knew that this was not something that Baez or his firm had drafted. Baez did sign it, but I'm 100% certain that someone from outside of his firm drafted it. Take a look!
I agree there is a significant change in style. This motion is brief yet full of provable facts, each fact evidenced by an exhibit attached to the motion. Prior motions contained hyperbole and opinions presented as fact, such as Baez' claim that "In fact, few would disagree that Ms. Anthony's case may be the most publicized coverage of a criminal case in the history of our state." (Wrong! Remember executed serial killer/rapist Ted Bundy?) http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19374401/detail.html Motion for Change of Venue page 11, lines 2-4.
Perhaps we are seeing some of Andrea Lyon's work. She is a professional writer as well as an attorney.
Katprint
Always only my own opinions
saywhat04
06-10-2009, 06:15 PM
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19716269/detail.html
Here is the latest motion that Baez has filed with the court, in regards to DCasey's phone records. I began reading it, and immediately knew that this was not something that Baez or his firm had drafted. Baez did sign it, but I'm 100% certain that someone from outside of his firm drafted it. Take a look!
Dayam! It's actually ... coherent! :w00t:
That document definitely did not come from the offices of lil Jose. imo
crimeq
06-10-2009, 06:17 PM
Is "stolen from someone else" an included subset of "used"? I have no trouble picturing Casey gently sliding the ring off of the finger of someone passed-out drunk at a party. Casey stole her good friend Amy Huizenga's checkbook accidentally left in the car that Amy was letting Casey drive and drained Amy's bank account as quickly as possible, plus there was the cash that Casey apparently stole but then convinced Amy that Amy had hidden it somewhere, plus Casey stole whatever she could from any of her relatives (Cindy's credit cards, Caylee's piggy bank, forging a check from her grandma, etc.) who gave her the slightest opportunity to do so. Surely Casey would not hesitate to steal from more distant acquaintances as well.
Katprint
Always only my own opinions
I can see her acquiring the Tiffany ring that way, too. But how would she explain it to Cindy? Cindy was aware of everything new coming into the house--remember she questioned Casey about where she got the hair straightener and VHS tapes (and why wouldn't she just say she bought those items? why did she have to make up a story for Cindy?).
Casey is a bad character through and through, as you've outlined so neatly above. :wink:
See, that's what I don't understand about the defense. If they are so sure that their client is innocent, why let her sit in jail. Get the trial going so she can go home if she is so innocent. Why isn't KC demanding a speedy trial so she can get out?
That's always my question. I sit in jail forever, innocent, and my lawyer plays games w/the prosecution and judge and adding on an evergrowing number of "high profile" lawyers and experts???? I don't think so!!!! Get this show on the road so I can get home!!!!
Or, if I heard my lawyer saying on the courthouse steps "WE KNOW WHO THE KILLER IS!!!!!" I'd be wondering why he didn't make sure LE had that information so they could arrest the right person!!!! Or, if I heard my lawyer say "When you hear what she has to say, you will see why she is innocent" or however he put that. I'd be saying, well, dang, if I just told that to LE, they would see that I am innocent, I can go home, and they can go lookin' for the right person!!!
Nope, if I'm an innocent person, I'm not interesting in spending a couple of years in jail awaiting trial, when I could get out under any of the above scenarios, or get the trial going as soon as we can and get it over with.
saywhat04
06-10-2009, 06:21 PM
That's always my question. I sit in jail forever, innocent, and my lawyer plays games w/the prosecution and judge and adding on an evergrowing number of "high profile" lawyers and experts???? I don't think so!!!! Get this show on the road so I can get home!!!!
Or, if I heard my lawyer saying on the courthouse steps "WE KNOW WHO THE KILLER IS!!!!!" I'd be wondering why he didn't make sure LE had that information so they could arrest the right person!!!! Or, if I heard my lawyer say "When you hear what she has to say, you will see why she is innocent" or however he put that. I'd be saying, well, dang, if I just told that to LE, they would see that I am innocent, I can go home, and they can go lookin' for the right person!!!
Nope, if I'm an innocent person, I'm not interesting in spending a couple of years in jail awaiting trial, when I could get out under any of the above scenarios, or get the trial going as soon as we can and get it over with.
Imo, there's only one reason an innocent Casey would prefer jail to awaiting trial at home.
Cindy.
:laugh:
Well then she should have let the MOTY do the right thing and give Caylee up for adoption. She'd be alive and happy now. JMO
we only have casey's comment that Cindy wouldn't allow her to abort or adopt. Cindy failed to notice her daughter was PG til she was nearly 7 months along (allegedly)so I doubt she put a kabosh on abortion and Casey was over 18 so Cindy could pressure her but not "force" her to reject adoption.
I agree there is a significant change in style. This motion is brief yet full of provable facts, each fact evidenced by an exhibit attached to the motion. Prior motions contained hyperbole and opinions presented as fact, such as Baez' claim that "In fact, few would disagree that Ms. Anthony's case may be the most publicized coverage of a criminal case in the history of our state." (Wrong! Remember executed serial killer/rapist Ted Bundy?) http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19374401/detail.html Motion for Change of Venue page 11, lines 2-4.
Perhaps we are seeing some of Andrea Lyon's work. She is a professional writer as well as an attorney.
Katprint
Always only my own opinions
I just know that I had no problems at all reading through it, and understanding what I had read when I was finished. That is a first for any motions signed by Baez or his firm.
we had x-neighbors that were the same. Couldn't tell you the time of day w/o lying. Grandma, Uncle, Mom, Dad and their twins. To this day I wonder about their poor little twins. Sadly, they will grow up to be just like the rest of the clan. :sad:
The kids' niece is the same way. If she's saying the sky is blue, you can darn well believe that I will be looking outside just to see.
crimeq
06-10-2009, 06:24 PM
hey Char, a used lower priced Tiffany ring would hardly be a retainer as the previous poster indicated. You can buy a new one, silver for $150.
I dont think she pawned it. IMO Cindy asked because she either was poised to accuse LE of stealing it, (similar to her rant about her Universal ID on the lanyard chain), OR it is connected to Caylee somehow.
IMO
best regards,
Pru
*waiting on maggot evidence...*
Pru, I agree, there is something very specially meaningful about the Tiffany ring that caused Cindy to ask about it. I think we will never know the answer to this mystery either, though.
Katprint
06-10-2009, 06:26 PM
I can see her acquiring the Tiffany ring that way, too. But how would she explain it to Cindy? Cindy was aware of everything new coming into the house--remember she questioned Casey about where she got the hair straightener and VHS tapes (and why wouldn't she just say she bought those items? why did she have to make up a story for Cindy?).
Casey is a bad character through and through, as you've outlined so neatly above. :wink:
Here's the thing: Did Cindy REALLY question Casey about those things? Or did Cindy merely CLAIM to have questioned Casey about those things? Just like did Caylee REALLY tell Cindy that Zanny had a short haired pomeranian mix, or did Cindy merely CLAIM that Caylee said that. (As Morgan asked, did Caylee say that to anyone besides Cindy?) In reality, I seriously doubt that Cindy made any inquiry into where Casey's magically appearing items came from. Cindy certainly didn't seem to make any effort to find out where the cash that magically turned up in Casey's purse came from, or to return it to Amy Huizenga when it became clear that it was the remainder of Amy Huizenga's stolen money.
I know it has been said repeatedly already, but just because Cindy/George/Lee/Casey say it's so, doesn't make it so. They are all liars.
Katprint
Always only my own opinions
Cindy says there were no red flags....Cindy said that was a red flag...which one is it Cindy???????
She wouldn't know a red flag if it jumped up and bit her!!!
SHE is a red flag!! Oh, my bad, she would be the green flag. :laugh:
ConchGirl
06-10-2009, 06:29 PM
I agree there is a significant change in style. This motion is brief yet full of provable facts, each fact evidenced by an exhibit attached to the motion. Prior motions contained hyperbole and opinions presented as fact, such as Baez' claim that "In fact, few would disagree that Ms. Anthony's case may be the most publicized coverage of a criminal case in the history of our state." (Wrong! Remember executed serial killer/rapist Ted Bundy?) http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19374401/detail.html Motion for Change of Venue page 11, lines 2-4.
Perhaps we are seeing some of Andrea Lyon's work. She is a professional writer as well as an attorney.
Katprint
Always only my own opinions
As much as I hate to say it I'm glad that Jose has some help. Casey does deserve a fair trial and with the addition of Lyon on the team there will be no doubt that she had a competent attorney, no appeal after conviction. I sometimes wonder if the state did not seek the death penalty it would have been a slam dunk with Jose at the helm. moo
ConchGirl
06-10-2009, 06:31 PM
SHE is a red flag!! Oh, my bad, she would be the green flag. :laugh:
Casey loved to adorn the American Flag in all it's glory. A far cry from her new wardrobe. imo
TunaMelt
06-10-2009, 06:32 PM
I do not think so. I think Casey is "The Chosen Child" in the Anthony family. "The Chosen Child" is never told no, is showered with everything they could possibly want or need and more and the family cleans up their messes. The Chosen Child is never ever held responsible. It is always someone's fault, but never ever is it The Chosen Child's fault.
When Caylee was born, I think she became "The Chosen Child". IMO, that did not sit well with Casey.
I do understand the chosen child dynamic.
Why do you think KC was the "chosen" one, and not Lee, the first born and the son who would carry on the Anthony name?
I'm just curious as to why you think this, I'm certainly not challenging you desmom. I think you're right, but why her?
sammy62
06-10-2009, 06:33 PM
I can't remember reading a police report (if one was made--like you say, $20 theft?) But, I'm wondering if George tho't (or knew) it was Casey who had taken those cans. And they have figured out she is in the house when both of them are out, but they aren't able to trackher down. Perhaps he tho't if he got the police on the trail of stolen gas cans, they would lead the A's to Casey. Or, @ the least, they would possibly meet up w/her @ the police station.
If that was his plan, it didn't seem to work out. Except that Casey did show up (without Caylee) to return them. Another thing I don't remember (sorry I have CRS today) is whether or not he even bothered to ask her about Caylee that day.
Earlier today I didn't provide a link to the police report. It is here:
http://cayleeanthony.wordpress.com/2008/09/01/examining-the-gas-cans/
Pruddennce
06-10-2009, 06:34 PM
I can't remember reading a police report (if one was made--like you say, $20 theft?) But, I'm wondering if George tho't (or knew) it was Casey who had taken those cans. And they have figured out she is in the house when both of them are out, but they aren't able to trackher down. Perhaps he tho't if he got the police on the trail of stolen gas cans, they would lead the A's to Casey. Or, @ the least, they would possibly meet up w/her @ the police station.
If that was his plan, it didn't seem to work out. Except that Casey did show up (without Caylee) to return them. Another thing I don't remember (sorry I have CRS today) is whether or not he even bothered to ask her about Caylee that day.
the police report can be found here, under burglary report:
http://www.ocso.com/Default.aspx?tabid=547
she didnt make a trip to the house to return the gas cans. she was 'caught' at home and GA, by his own admission, states that he 'thought' she was the one who took them, and wanted to look in the trunk, using a ruse, that he wanted to get a car tool.
he also claims he told Casey about the theft, but she 'already knew having spoken to MOM' and mom told her.
right.
then she got annoyed and opened the trunk and gave him the cans.
right.
GA was probably dancing all over her head about the theft and accused her and they started having a back and forth.
you gotta love his lying touch about Casey and 'mom' having a normal coversation on June 24th and how Casey was pretending to commiserate about the theft, *how awful*..
right.
they are all a pack of liars.
anything that occurred from June 15th thru the 16th of July between Casey and her parents is a lie.
Cindy lied about caylee being home on the 9th of June. she wasnt home all nite. Cindy lied about 'NOT KNOWING' Casey wasnt in Jacksonville. she led authorities to believe 'she was a grieving grandmother reiterating 'what she was told by Casey'.
unforgiveable coverup.
IMO
best regards,
Pru
*waiting on maggot evidence....*
TunaMelt
06-10-2009, 06:34 PM
Casey loved to adorn the American Flag in all it's glory. A far cry from her new wardrobe. imo
The boys always said, or so I heard, that "That KC Anthony, she's a real...patriot."
:patriot:
:biggrinjester:
:wink:
We know the cadaver odor, for lack of a better word, permeates everything surrounding it.... clothes, carpet, floors, etc. We know CA washed Casey's clothes that were found in her car and we know Casey showered at a suspect time, can't recall that now. That particular odor is very difficult, if not impossible, to remove. Why, then, did Casey not have that odor in her skin, hair, etc., even after showering? Simple showering would not remove the odor once it permeates the skin. I know this for a fact from someone who is an officer in the real estate trust department of a well known bank. When they had to clear out a property in which someone had died, they had to literally destroy the clothes they were wearing and they said they could smell the odor on their body for days afterward. This to me is a real puzzle. Why did no one notice that odor on Casey? What are your ideas?
Wonder how much time Casey actually spent in her car those days when the smell was becoming more and more obvious? Probably not much. She was crashing @ the homes of whatever friends would have her, and I think it was TonE's roommates girlfriend who said that, after everyone went to work, Casey was still @ the apartment, her being able to work from home and all.
And, the car did sit in the sun from June 27 thru July 15, with that smell just getting worse and worse and worse. If she didn't spend much time in the car, and the smell was only beginning to get bad, I could see where it might not be on her too bad.
Sandy001
06-10-2009, 06:43 PM
Oh, good one Sandy. That is so true. I bashed my forehead open on the side window when returning a truck I had rented. It was a nasty gash and it bled like crazy. It totally freaked out all of the people in the rental place - got blood all over their floor. It took a lot to get it stopped. I'd never had a head laceration before so I didn't know what to expect. Those things bleed profusely and blood gets everywhere. By the time I was done I had to clean up blood trailing throughout the rental place and all over the bathroom.
Sorry for the graphics but, if that story had been true, there would have been an alarming amount of blood. Casey never thinks before she speaks. It's like she says the first thing that comes to mind and, if it makes sense to her, that's about as far as she goes with her thought process. And no one EXCEPT LE has EVER questioned her stories. She was probably so shocked that they didn't believe her and that they dared to follow up on her lies that she couldn't see straight. jmo
Sandy001
06-10-2009, 06:45 PM
Ok, now it's MY bad... LOL - I am pointing out the obvious here. :thumbup:
I just think it is very telling that they had all these wonderfully elaborate stories about a Nanny that has never existed. They must have talked about Zanny for hours to get their stories straight. What I don't understand is... if Cindy knew so much about the "Nanny", why did she never ask to meet her. I mean all the colorful stories.. the dog.. the generosity of Zanny... why would you not want to MEET such a paragon of virtue that is taking care of your ONLY grandchild? It's very simple. Cindy doesn't WANT to know the truth. It's easier to advance the lies.
ConchGirl
06-10-2009, 06:47 PM
And no one EXCEPT LE has EVER questioned her stories. She was probably so shocked that they didn't believe her and that they dared to follow up on her lies that she couldn't see straight. jmo
I agree that she never thought LE would NOT believe her. After all her parents ALWAYS believed her. She thought by saying she talked to Caylee on the phone on 7/15 the police would go away. Bella Vida
Sandy001
06-10-2009, 06:49 PM
Taking Casey's name off the account would be the normal thing to do. ummm, but we are talking the A's. jmo
Or maybe Cindy wouldn't let him.
Sandy001
06-10-2009, 06:52 PM
I was looking at older video clips of Cindy, early in the case. She totally thought she had the press in her hand and was going to control the media spin.
There is one clip of her coming out of Sheriff's dept or jail and the press is following her clamoring for answers and she is just thinking " i am the bomb" she tells them " there's no story here guys,no story" and looking at the contacts listing from her phone, it's filled with reporters and producers names and numbers. She can't finish her interview with LE who is frantically trying to find her grand daughter, because she has an interview with the press. Watching her I can totally see where Casey got her over inflated sense of importance and grandiose ideas, imagine carrying around a binder labelled "Media Coverage" as you strut into your attorney's office.
Maybe Cindy thought if I act like I believe Casey's lies and BS, the police will think it's true also.
Delusional, totally Delusional. blaming LE is as old as the hills, but VERY difficult to prove. Scott Peterson and his family also had contempt for the same LE that managed to get him convicted. Jackie referred to them as "Mayberry." They were ok as long as they didn't investigate Scott.
ConchGirl
06-10-2009, 06:53 PM
You know Jam... (just popping in for a moment, not too much time to read), I have to say that learning about the Anthony fam has truly changed my perception of life. I'm in my 50s and so I've always known that there are narcissists, psychopaths, sociopaths etc. out there, but this case has really brought home the fact that "normal-looking" people can be the most dysfunctional people on earth.
I've always read true crime stories and I've always been interested in the pathology of the evil mind. But as I said, this case has opened my eyes more than any other case I've read about. :scared:
A.P.
In my experience of over a half of a century, I have learned that the most normal looking families on the outside and very dysfunctional on the inside. We all know families who try way too hard to look perfect to outsiders. IMO they try too hard for a reason.
martha
06-10-2009, 06:54 PM
It's very simple. Cindy doesn't WANT to know the truth. It's easier to advance the lies.
You or so right and g and lee don;t want to know the truth. I think the whole a;s family has known the truth since they got the car. They or just trying to cover up for casey and it is hard to keep the stories straight. I just wonder how they will all do on the stand. the pros.can tear them apart with all the lies that they have told. I think g was going to tell the truth at first but cindy changed his mind for him. Now he is helping cover up everything. I don;t think casey wants to see any of them now because she knows they know the truth now and she don;t want to face them. I sure hope casey don;t get out of this but you never know with all the lawyers she has. I wonder how she is paying them all. g and c or not working and they or doing well with new cloths and bills being paid and they seem to hav plenty of money now to do what ever they want to do. Has cindy been back to see her dad? father;s day is soon I just wonder if she will go see him.jmho
Cindy is going to have a tough time on the stand explaining how she can be so sure in one interview/conversation that there is indeed a Zanny, the police just haven't found her yet and then talk out of the other side of her face and say there was no Zanny.
And, how is she going to deal w/the info she gave under oath in the civil depo about how she has addresses and numbers for Zanny the nanny? Which, of course, she did not utilize because Casey is an adult and is the mother of Caylee, and she could not interfere.
Pruddennce
06-10-2009, 06:57 PM
Here's the thing: Did Cindy REALLY question Casey about those things? Or did Cindy merely CLAIM to have questioned Casey about those things? Just like did Caylee REALLY tell Cindy that Zanny had a short haired pomeranian mix, or did Cindy merely CLAIM that Caylee said that. (As Morgan asked, did Caylee say that to anyone besides Cindy?) In reality, I seriously doubt that Cindy made any inquiry into where Casey's magically appearing items came from. Cindy certainly didn't seem to make any effort to find out where the cash that magically turned up in Casey's purse came from, or to return it to Amy Huizenga when it became clear that it was the remainder of Amy Huizenga's stolen money.
I know it has been said repeatedly already, but just because Cindy/George/Lee/Casey say it's so, doesn't make it so. They are all liars.
Katprint
Always only my own opinions
my bold,
Kat, that about sums it up.
Cindy sat there and listened to Casey tell family services IN AUGUST, that LE had it all wrong, she did have a job at Universal and she had paystubs to prove it.
Cindy was on board with the original lie being disseminated to a new audience.
Cindy stands by a liar because she is a liar herself. IMO, Cindy lies because she believes 'her lies' are justified and because the truth stinks. as she so aptly said in her 'oopsy forwarded email': "I never lied, I just never went to my bathroom to get the hairbrush that I used only for caylee'.
http://www.wftv.com/news/18145599/detail.html
The anthonys have spent their entire existence waist deep in deception, with one another and everyone else.
IMO
best regards,
Pru
*waiting on maggot evidence....*
Sandy001
06-10-2009, 06:57 PM
I did look up on Casey's visitor's inmate log. Here are the entries surrounding the two different dates (JBP dive/search on Nov 13th I believe, and Dec 11th). Baez sure didn't rush to be at Casey's side on Nov 13th when all the news was broadcasting about a Discovery being found at JBP.
ADAM GABRIEL E 12/19/2008 20:56:38 to 21:49:28 ATTORNEY VISIT
BAEZ JOSE ANGEL 12/19/2008 14:32:09 to 15:21:36 ATTORNEY VISIT
STUTZMAN THOMAS SHANE 12/19/2008 13:59:31 to 14:18:50 JAIL MINISTRIES
GARCIA JOSE LUIS 12/19/2008 11:41:21 to 15:21:46 ATTORNEY VISIT
ADAM GABRIEL E 12/18/2008 19:07:24 to 20:22:38 ATTORNEY VISIT
GARCIA JOSE LUIS 12/18/2008 06:40:03 to 07:35:14 ATTORNEY VISIT
BAEZ JOSE ANGEL 12/17/2008 22:31:18 to 23:07:39 ATTORNEY VISIT
STUTZMAN THOMAS SHANE 12/16/2008 09:35:45 to 12:45:45 JAIL MINISTRIES
GARCIA JOSE LUIS 12/15/2008 18:56:18 to 20:30:46 ATTORNEY VISIT
GARCIA JOSE LUIS 12/15/2008 07:28:01 to 07:42:49 ATTORNEY VISIT
ADAM GABRIEL E 12/15/2008 07:16:47 to 07:42:43 ATTORNEY VISIT
GARCIA JOSE LUIS 12/14/2008 10:27:50 to 11:32:38 ATTORNEY VISIT
BAEZ JOSE ANGEL 12/11/2008 20:04:12 to 21:05:19 ATTORNEY VISIT
GARCIA JOSE LUIS 12/11/2008 16:42:14 to 20:23:15 ATTORNEY VISIT
BAEZ JOSE ANGEL 12/11/2008 11:55:53 to 13:33:13 ATTORNEY VISIT
ADAM GABRIEL E 12/10/2008 21:44:09 to 12/11/2008 04:39:37 ATTORNEY VISIT
ADAM GABRIEL E 12/9/2008 20:45:08 to 21:36:19 ATTORNEY VISIT
ADAM GABRIEL E 12/8/2008 20:47:40 to 22:04:26 ATTORNEY VISIT
[snipped for space]
BAEZ JOSE ANGEL 11/15/2008 16:55:54 to 18:05:19 ATTORNEY VISIT
GARCIA JOSE LUIS 11/13/2008 23:28:27 to 23:43:25 ATTORNEY VISIT
BAEZ JOSE ANGEL 11/13/2008 22:49:42 to 23:43:22 ATTORNEY VISIT
BAEZ JOSE ANGEL 11/12/2008 18:45:29 to 20:20:07 ATTORNEY VISIT
GARCIA JOSE LUIS 11/11/2008 19:03:12 to 21:30:51 JAIL MINISTRIES
Do we know what time Casey was taken to the common area? I think we can rip holes in that "Significant" amount of titme that Jose was held up.
PuffDragon
06-10-2009, 06:58 PM
There are called lies in my family.
Ooooh, but even Cindy knows it's wrong to lie. It's okay if you call it something else though.:rolleyes:
Pruddennce
06-10-2009, 06:59 PM
It's very simple. Cindy doesn't WANT to know the truth. It's easier to advance the lies.
IMO, Cindy doesnt want ANYONE ELSE to know the truth. that is why she lies.
IMO
best regards,
Pru
*waiting on maggot evidence...*
I agree that Cindy authored a lot of those stories, did we ever hear Casey tell Detectives the night of the 15th (July) all about being engaged to Jeff and Zanny's accident? No, all that came from Cindy. I think Casey would give Cindy a crumb of a story and Cindy would create a whole loaf of bread out of it. She repeated the embellished story to George and anyone else in order to cover for Casey and for herself and the fact that she had absolutely no idea where either her daughter or her grand daughter where and didn't want to admit it.
I don't know how much cooking of stories they might have been able to do whilst Casey was out on bond--wasn't LP's employee (Vicki? Abby? I forget her name) pretty much glued to Casey's side when she was in the house? I guess mom & daughter might have been able to steal into the kitchen to bake brownies unassisted, but I tho't the body guard was there to not only make sure she didn't skip town, but to be a spy of sorts, esp. since LP was banished from the home.
Unless there are more jail house phone calls or visits that haven't been dumped yet, there is hardly ANYTHING in the ones we have heard that would add up to Casey giving the story or even the outline to Cindy. So, that does pretty much leave the developing story lines and then the filled in detail up to Cindy. Wonder if George or Lee were allowed any input?
Sandy001
06-10-2009, 07:06 PM
Is this the same Jeff that was supposed to pay the invisible Zanny for everyone's kids? The Jeff that was her boyfriend? That dated Zanny and broke up with her and was on good enough terms to have her watch his kid? pardon me for being skeptical that he ever gave Casey a ring, lol. Unless it comes out of HIS mouth, I'm not convinced. :glare:
Is there any evidence he gave it to her? Or is this like Casey's hair straightener that Zanny gave to her? The Jeff Hopkins that Casey described is also invisible.
PuffDragon
06-10-2009, 07:07 PM
I do understand the chosen child dynamic.
Why do you think KC was the "chosen" one, and not Lee, the first born and the son who would carry on the Anthony name?
I'm just curious as to why you think this, I'm certainly not challenging you desmom. I think you're right, but why her?
I don't think Casey was 'chosen' as much as that she got all the attention because she was so difficult. I still believe, for instance, that the child behavior book, dogeared at 'tantrums', was actually Cindy's book that she tried to use for Casey's tantrums, and which she passed down to Casey. Caylee was barely three, how hard would it be to deal with her tantrums at that stage that the book would already open automatically to that section? But I'll bet Casey's were constant and impossible to control.
Casey didn't turn into a sociopath at seven or eight, she was born that way. So all the time and attention her family had went into trying to socialize her. An impossible job, of course.
MO
Yes, but doesn't 911 bring ambulances, fire trucks and police? Why wouldn't someone just call the local police and have a squad car come over and investigate in a case like this? That's what I would do. I'm not sure how local officials would react to calling all of the above only to find out it was due to a burglury. I mean, if someone parks their car on the street and returns to it, only to find out that it has been stolen, do they call 911 or do they just call the police. Just askin' . . .:shrug:
Hmmm..... there are times I have called the non-emergent number as opposed to 911. If my car was stolen, I might be upset and call 911, gets the police here a tad bit faster. And, for calls like this, only LE responds. Other 911 calls--everything but the fire truck!!!
Sandy001
06-10-2009, 07:18 PM
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19716269/detail.html
Here is the latest motion that Baez has filed with the court, in regards to DCasey's phone records. I began reading it, and immediately knew that this was not something that Baez or his firm had drafted. Baez did sign it, but I'm 100% certain that someone from outside of his firm drafted it. Take a look!
I agree. But I question whether or not DCasey was informed of the waiver SIGNED TODAY BY THE ANTHONYS They may rue the day they agreed to that.
I also question if they have rights to any cell phone calls that do not apply to this case. Can anyone answer that?
Cindy "claims" they have private detectives on the job. Baez is also looiking, but imo there's no one to find. The killer of Caylee is safely in jail awaiting trial imo
I can't remember when it was that Baez was in front of the cameras telling us all about the PI who was going to get a pic of Zanny and Caylee, that they had been searching for the fellow who had this pic, they had located him, and as Baez spoke--the PI was on his way to get said pic. Was that before Oct 1? And possibly D Casey, as his contract w/Baez was up about Oct 1.
I wonder if the A's were under the assumption that D Casey was working for "them" as well as Baez, as wasn't it about the same time that George was saying "their" PI had tracked Caylee and her abductors to 9 different locations, always being one step behind them? It wasn't until Jan. that the A's contracted D Casey as their PI. So, other than Lee--and we don't know WHEN he was doing his own PI'ing--who was doing the PI work for either Baez OR the A's between Oct and Jan?
And, since all the "stuff" about D Casey and Baez as told by Hoover and/or LP, is D Casey still in their employee? He was listed as the Director of investigations or something along that line on the KFN Board of Directors, wonder if he is still associated w/either the A's or KFN?
really3997
06-10-2009, 07:19 PM
Could be something could be nothing but I find it very interesting...wanna know
sammy62
06-10-2009, 07:20 PM
my bold,
Kat, that about sums it up.
Cindy sat there and listened to Casey tell family services IN AUGUST, that LE had it all wrong, she did have a job at Universal and she had paystubs to prove it.
Cindy was on board with the original lie being disseminated to a new audience.
Cindy stands by a liar because she is a liar herself. IMO, Cindy lies because she believes 'her lies' are justified and because the truth stinks. as she so aptly said in her 'oopsy forwarded email': "I never lied, I just never went to my bathroom to get the hairbrush that I used only for caylee'.
http://www.wftv.com/news/18145599/detail.html
The anthonys have spent their entire existence waist deep in deception, with one another and everyone else.
IMO
best regards,
Pru
*waiting on maggot evidence....*
I was listening to George's FBI interview today and he told the FBI the reason he married Cindy was she never lied, but said it like it is. I almost choked on my cheetoes. :tongue:
http://www.wftv.com/video/18034862/index.html
really3997
06-10-2009, 07:20 PM
I agree. But I question whether or not DCasey was informed of the waiver SIGNED TODAY BY THE ANTHONYS They may rue the day they agreed to that.
I also question if they have rights to any cell phone calls that do not apply to this case. Can anyone answer that?
I agree imagine what he knows
Sandy001
06-10-2009, 07:23 PM
I would think they wouldn't have to use the fact that she is using stolen cash or stolen checks. All they need to show is her leisurely shopping @ a time she should be frantic to be looking for her baby. Or, the fact that, in all the shopping she did, there was not one item that would be bought for a 2 1/2 y/o child. CASEY got clothes and sunglasses, no little clothes for a toddler. CASEY got food items that, even if they were suitable for a toddler, weren't the type of foods a toddler would be interested in. Well, perhaps she figured she'd wait until after the nanny returned Caylee before she took her shopping.
NO DIAPERS!!!! You always need diapers with a child who is not potty trained. Casey did not buy any diapers. I am sure she will say the nanny provided them, but Casey would eventually have Caylee back (unless she knew differently) and would need them at that time.
As for the nanny providing diapers, I had a great sitter, but she did NOT provide diapers even tho she had some for her granddaughter. Zanny was single. Why would she spend her money on diapers for a child she wasn't paid to watch?
Sandy001
06-10-2009, 07:25 PM
I'm not sure what LP would have to offer either side. He was the one who got her out on bond altho he wasn't the one who put up the money. He was kicked out of the A's house after about 15 minutes of their arriving there. Everything he has to say is going to be hearsay. He allegedly got his information from talking to Lee, to the female body guard in the house when Casey was there, his FBI friend, listening to what George or Cindy had to say, what D Casey or Hoover told him. Those people are all alive, able to speak. Any information he got from them, they would be the ones who would have to testify to what they said. IMO LP was there talking to the family. He is a threat to them imo.
summer4meplz
06-10-2009, 07:26 PM
Could be something could be nothing but I find it very interesting...wanna know
not me....I believe in minding my own business.......:wink:
OF COURSE WE WANT TO KNOW!!!
Sandy001
06-10-2009, 07:26 PM
the police report can be found here, under burglary report:
http://www.ocso.com/Default.aspx?tabid=547
she didnt make a trip to the house to return the gas cans. she was 'caught' at home and GA, by his own admission, states that he 'thought' she was the one who took them, and wanted to look in the trunk, using a ruse, that he wanted to get a car tool.
he also claims he told Casey about the theft, but she 'already knew having spoken to MOM' and mom told her.
right.
then she got annoyed and opened the trunk and gave him the cans.
right.
GA was probably dancing all over her head about the theft and accused her and they started having a back and forth.
you gotta love his lying touch about Casey and 'mom' having a normal coversation on June 24th and how Casey was pretending to commiserate about the theft, *how awful*..
right.
they are all a pack of liars.
anything that occurred from June 15th thru the 16th of July between Casey and her parents is a lie.
Cindy lied about caylee being home on the 9th of June. she wasnt home all nite. Cindy lied about 'NOT KNOWING' Casey wasnt in Jacksonville. she led authorities to believe 'she was a grieving grandmother reiterating 'what she was told by Casey'.
unforgiveable coverup.
IMO
best regards,
Pru
*waiting on maggot evidence....* What sealed Cindy's personality to me was her interview on GVS when she claimed no sleep and "grieving grandmother" status to avoid answering questions. Pathetic and soooo trasnparent.
I agree. But I question whether or not DCasey was informed of the waiver SIGNED TODAY BY THE ANTHONYS They may rue the day they agreed to that.
I also question if they have rights to any cell phone calls that do not apply to this case. Can anyone answer that?
I do recall Judge Strickland making remarks in the last court hearing, that leads me to think that "any and all" calls might not be granted (at least for Kronk, Amy, Jesse). I believe that Jesse's attorney is going to be back arguing just this very point to Judge Strickland.
really3997
06-10-2009, 07:31 PM
not me....I believe in minding my own business.......:wink:
OF COURSE WE WANT TO KNOW!!!
As I was driving on "that street" which I cannot do too much since school is out something caught my eye. Across the street from you know who's house and two houses over there was a small wooden cross in the front yard. Now I have know idea why it is there but since we had the conversation about the neighbors putting up crosses in their yard it just hit me funny
Sandy001
06-10-2009, 07:31 PM
You or so right and g and lee don;t want to know the truth. I think the whole a;s family has known the truth since they got the car. They or just trying to cover up for casey and it is hard to keep the stories straight. I just wonder how they will all do on the stand. the pros.can tear them apart with all the lies that they have told. I think g was going to tell the truth at first but cindy changed his mind for him. Now he is helping cover up everything. I don;t think casey wants to see any of them now because she knows they know the truth now and she don;t want to face them. I sure hope casey don;t get out of this but you never know with all the lawyers she has. I wonder how she is paying them all. g and c or not working and they or doing well with new cloths and bills being paid and they seem to hav plenty of money now to do what ever they want to do. Has cindy been back to see her dad? father;s day is soon I just wonder if she will go see him.jmho I keep thinking of Evita and how "everything would be justified by my foundation." Cindy needs to listen to that.
Here is what Cindy had to say, right after Casey's original Bond Hearing was over. She's not too happy with LE. LOL
http://www.truveo.com/Cindy-Anthony-speaks-to-reporters-after-bond/id/1031594907
Wow!!! George CAN be forceful, in charge. "We have to go." Then he lets Cindy go on for a minute, then pulls her away, she is flappin' @ the jaws until they are out of range of the mics!!!!
No, Cindy, it is hard to even know WHERE to begin to look for Caylee--after all, it was 31 days, the Sawgrass apartments was a wash, she had never been there. It's hard to go after a kidnapper who has been given a made-up name and 31 days had passed since the baby was seen by ANYONE. Just like Cindy know @ day 31 that Caylee was dead, so did LE, once they realized that everything except her name that came out of Casey's mouth was a lie.
really3997
06-10-2009, 07:35 PM
I keep thinking of Evita and how "everything would be justified by my foundation." Cindy needs to listen to that.
Please don't get me started on this music..there are so many songs that fit with this family.
As I was driving on "that street" which I cannot do too much since school is out something caught my eye. Across the street from you know who's house and two houses over there was a small wooden cross in the front yard. Now I have know idea why it is there but since we had the conversation about the neighbors putting up crosses in their yard it just hit me funny
Do you happen to know if the Anthonys still have up their outside security camera? If not, maybe you can take a good look sometime. Please.
really3997
06-10-2009, 07:43 PM
where did everyone go
Such a load of bull. Casey was so lame she couldn't even come up with a story that was even remotely believable. Heck, Zanny and her sister apparently, without any weapon or means for silencing Casey, committed a criminal abduction in front of their own three kids. Heck - Casey doesn't even say she was knocked out! IIRC, she was pushed to the ground. Oh, boo hoo! Did she get an owie on her knee and, therefore, was unable to fight like a mama cat would fight if her young were threatened? NOOOOOOOOOOO.
Worse Liar in History award goes to the Princess of Pork Rinds.
It's the beginning of summer, daytime, and there was no one else in the park with their kids? No one observed? No one came to her rescue? No one called 911 about the disturbance and that children seemed to be involved? Sure, and the Blanchard Park story is even more unbelievable than the Sawgrass staircase story. Except, that was a way for her to get a "script."
summer4meplz
06-10-2009, 07:45 PM
As I was driving on "that street" which I cannot do too much since school is out something caught my eye. Across the street from you know who's house and two houses over there was a small wooden cross in the front yard. Now I have know idea why it is there but since we had the conversation about the neighbors putting up crosses in their yard it just hit me funny
It would serve them right to have every neighbor on their block to fill their lawns with crosses for Caylee.........but I'm sure the neighbors have way too much class to do that......and of course, it would just invite the media back too.....
but thanks for sharing:thumbsup:
really3997
06-10-2009, 07:46 PM
Do you happen to know if the Anthonys still have up their outside security camera? If not, maybe you can take a good look sometime. Please.
Yes they do still have their castle under film. It is just a small wooden cross no name on it in front of their fence does not look like the dirt was moved. Just a cross
Pruddennce
06-10-2009, 07:51 PM
I was listening to George's FBI interview today and he told the FBI the reason he married Cindy was she never lied, but said it like it is. I almost choked on my cheetoes. :tongue:
http://www.wftv.com/video/18034862/index.html
yikes! be careful, its hazardous to eat and drink when revisting their statements and interviews..... :D
interesting that Deputy Cain properly investigated the gas can incident.
IMO
best regards,
Pru
*waiting on maggot evidence....*
Casey said Zanny had a concussion and it was not until the next day an ER nurse noticed a large laceration behind Zanny's ear.
IMO, a large laceration behind the ear would bleed. A boyscout with a First Aid Badge knows to check head to toe for injuries yet no one in ER noticed until the next day? The X-ray technician did not notice either?
Cindy being a nurse bought this story? :lol:
I learned this as a farm kid--many years before Nursing School. A laceration to the scalp will bleed so badly you are sure the person has a major head injury. When you clean up the area, you find a fairly superficial laceration that doesn't even need stitches. If she had a laceration behind the ear, it would have been bleeding--if not profusely, @ least enough to know it is there, especially if it was a "large" laceration.
I just noticed something else, when checking the Clerk of Courts records. This is at least the 2nd supplement that Lyon has filed.... could she be experiencing problems getting Judge Strickland to approve her appearance in this case?
6/10/2009 A SUPPLEMENT TO VERIFIED MOTION FOR ADMISSION TO APPEAR PRO HAC VICE WITH CERTIFICATE OF GOOD STANDING FROM THE STATE BAR OF MICHIGAN FOR ANDREA D LYON ATTACHED.
Perhaps she had Baez write the motion whilst she was busy reading up on the case? That surely would have been a call for "do overs." :chicken:
Sandy001
06-10-2009, 08:08 PM
I think it is MORE than clear that Baez has EVERY intention of throwing G&C under the bus. Getting them to sign that waiver will do nothing but bring more of their dirty laundry to the surface imo.
What about any other clients that DC may have had. Do they not have the right to confidentiality of their conversations with DC? Did Baez sign a waiver for HIS calls when DC was working for him?
We never heard about the script until KC was out on bond...is that correct???
Casey never mentioned the script to LE on her first wild goose chase days or at Universal...did she???
That's why I think Cindy thought up this whole script thingy.
Let me know if those facts are not correct.
Didn't the script talk show up about the same time the site of the kidnapping was changed to Jay Blanchard Park? That was a face-to-face kidnapping, where the nanny would have an opportunity to present the script to Casey. Cindy seemed to know a whole lot about the script and the meanings of 33 and Timer55, getting all her "clues" from Casey. WHEN did she get those clues? Are there jailhouse tapes that include these things? Or, I guess, messages passed from Casey to the family via Jose Baez. Or, the other possibility that you have pointed out-a script scripted by Cindy.
I know Casey said the nanny was going to "teach her a lesson" by taking Caylee, but just what the heck was that lesson supposed to be? I guess they never got that far--to think that people would be asking about the lesson. Guess they just tho't people would say, okay and never wonder!!!!!
Also, it seems that George wasn't let in on the Jay Blanchard Park change. In I think the FBI interview, when he was asked something about that, he didn't seem to know!!! Wonder when the change in story came in relationship to the interviews. Did Cindy just never think of cluing him in, or did she think it wasn't necessary to involve him in some of the little details?
TunaMelt
06-10-2009, 08:10 PM
I keep thinking of Evita and how "everything would be justified by my foundation." Cindy needs to listen to that.
Cindy reminds me so much of Eva Peron, minus the palace and dictator husband, and throngs of adoring descomisados.
If Cindy knew who Eva Peron was, I bet she'd be her (Cindy's) hero.
Think what Cindy could do with another foundation for helpless children, and the entire treasury of Argentina. :w00t:
too bad, Mrs. Anthony
at least Evita had style
which you sorely lack
:thumbdown:
MDdetective
06-10-2009, 08:10 PM
This is one that gets me.
ADAM GABRIEL E 12/10/2008 21:44:09 to 12/11/2008 04:39:37 ATTORNEY VISIT
Hi everyboby :seeya: Umm I'm no math whiz by any means but doesn't that time translate to 9:44pm til 4:39 am ????? Whaaaaaa ??? The date is the day BEFORE Caylee was found !!!
saywhat04
06-10-2009, 08:12 PM
I do understand the chosen child dynamic.
Why do you think KC was the "chosen" one, and not Lee, the first born and the son who would carry on the Anthony name?
I'm just curious as to why you think this, I'm certainly not challenging you desmom. I think you're right, but why her?
I tend to believe the OC was the "problem" child vs. the "chosen" one.
TunaMelt
06-10-2009, 08:12 PM
Hi everyboby :seeya: Umm I'm no math whiz by any means but doesn't that time translate to 9:44pm til 4:39 am ????? Whaaaaaa ??? The date is the day BEFORE Caylee was found !!!
:scared:
I think it does.
Which one is Gabriel?
KittyMom
06-10-2009, 08:17 PM
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19716269/detail.html
Here is the latest motion that Baez has filed with the court, in regards to DCasey's phone records. I began reading it, and immediately knew that this was not something that Baez or his firm had drafted. Baez did sign it, but I'm 100% certain that someone from outside of his firm drafted it. Take a look!
Isn't he supposed to have some of his law school students doing work for him? Maybe they're responsible for it.
really3997
06-10-2009, 08:20 PM
It would serve them right to have every neighbor on their block to fill their lawns with crosses for Caylee.........but I'm sure the neighbors have way too much class to do that......and of course, it would just invite the media back too.....
but thanks for sharing:thumbsup:
I also think most of them are witnesses so they would not want to get CA brewing JMO
saywhat04
06-10-2009, 08:22 PM
I don't think Casey was 'chosen' as much as that she got all the attention because she was so difficult. I still believe, for instance, that the child behavior book, dogeared at 'tantrums', was actually Cindy's book that she tried to use for Casey's tantrums, and which she passed down to Casey. Caylee was barely three, how hard would it be to deal with her tantrums at that stage that the book would already open automatically to that section? But I'll bet Casey's were constant and impossible to control.
Casey didn't turn into a sociopath at seven or eight, she was born that way. So all the time and attention her family had went into trying to socialize her. An impossible job, of course.
MO
Good grief, that's a scary thought. Just hand the surgical instruments to the monkey wearing the oven mitts. :scared:
Cindy knew all the names of these non-existant people. She was covering from the very beginning. This whole story was MADE UP.
quoted from her interview:
CA: Oh, I'm not gonna walk out without my purse. Women don't leave their purses in cars or other places. Bottom line is one of these days, I always thought it was a wednesday but whatever day he filed the report. But I thought the 24th was a wednesday too so...anyway this is, it ended up being the day they were coming back from Tampa, the 27th. I remember because I got a phone call form Casey in the afternoon they were going straight back to work. Juliette and her needed to check in because they had been off all week. They'd been communicating with Tom, Tom Frank, her boss at the event coordinating place. Later I thought for sure when I got home they would be home but I found out later that she said Jeff was in town,...Jacksonville...
LE: Last name Hopkins, Jeff Hopkins?
CA: The one who introduced her to Zanny
LE: Did you see him or meet up with him at all?
CA: No
Was Cindy planting the names of Juliette and Jeff and Tom Frank? Was this a story she cooked up with Casey in advance? I think it's VERY strange that the people who became the major "defense" players in Casey's story (though they remained invisible) are all mentioned by Cindy in this very early interview! I go back and forth about whether the Ants knew early-on and cooked up this scheme to aid Casey or not. But I think Cindy's having these names at hand, ready, on the tip of her tongue is soooooooooo suspicious.
She did have her volumnious binder @ the ready w/all the information she had gleaned to date. She says, information given to her by Casey. But, if they weren't allowed to discuss the case whilst she was out on bond, and all this info doesn't show up in jailhouse tapes, when DID she get these names from Casey? I was thinking they HAD to come from Casey, as they were names or partial names of people in her past. Just in a different time and place, a different scenario.
saywhat04
06-10-2009, 08:24 PM
Could be something could be nothing but I find it very interesting...wanna know
Huh? :confused:
Spill it, missy! :sneaky:
Pruddennce
06-10-2009, 08:26 PM
Hi everyboby :seeya: Umm I'm no math whiz by any means but doesn't that time translate to 9:44pm til 4:39 am ????? Whaaaaaa ??? The date is the day BEFORE Caylee was found !!!
Im glad you pointed that out......Ive been suspicious of that visit as Im sure many were.
IMO, this late nite, early morning visit was not a coincidence that she was found hours later 12/11.
IMO
best regards,
Pru
*waiting on maggot evidence....*
saywhat04
06-10-2009, 08:26 PM
NO DIAPERS!!!! You always need diapers with a child who is not potty trained. Casey did not buy any diapers. I am sure she will say the nanny provided them, but Casey would eventually have Caylee back (unless she knew differently) and would need them at that time.
As for the nanny providing diapers, I had a great sitter, but she did NOT provide diapers even tho she had some for her granddaughter. Zanny was single. Why would she spend her money on diapers for a child she wasn't paid to watch?
According to Cindy, Caylee was babysat, nannied and otherwise catered to by non-members of her family simply because she was such an engaging child. :blink:
saywhat04
06-10-2009, 08:27 PM
As I was driving on "that street" which I cannot do too much since school is out something caught my eye. Across the street from you know who's house and two houses over there was a small wooden cross in the front yard. Now I have know idea why it is there but since we had the conversation about the neighbors putting up crosses in their yard it just hit me funny
Ooooh!!! :thumbsup::thumbup::cool:
KittyMom
06-10-2009, 08:30 PM
My personal opinion is that Cindy has played a large role in molding Casey and Lee into the people that they've become. Casey is ultimately responsible for the stealing, lying, and murder of Caylee. But, look at how Cindy acts. She didn't start acting this way on July 15th. She brought two children into this world acting just the way we've seen her acting. Can you imagine being her child? Can you imagine growing up daily around this woman> I firmly believe that had she taken Caylee to raise, at some point Caylee would also have exhibited personality deficits just like Lee and Casey.
saywhat04
06-10-2009, 08:34 PM
My personal opinion is that Cindy has played a large role in molding Casey and Lee into the people that they've become. Casey is ultimately responsible for the stealing, lying, and murder of Caylee. But, look at how Cindy acts. She didn't start acting this way on July 15th. She brought two children into this world acting just the way we've seen her acting. Can you imagine being her child? Can you imagine growing up daily around this woman> I firmly believe that had she taken Caylee to raise, at some point Caylee would also have exhibited personality deficits just like Lee and Casey.
I share your opinion. Except I cling to the possibility Caylee was such an exceptional spirit she could have overcome her upbringing.
KittyMom
06-10-2009, 08:34 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-caylee-anthony-facebook-vigil-061009,0,2369525.story
Facebook group to hold Caylee Marie Anthony vigil
The vigil, run by In Memory of Caylee Marie Anthony, will take place 6 p.m. June 16 at Jay Blanchard Park, said Scotti Simpson, the group's organizer.
They hope to meet at a pavilion there, but are still raising money for the $125 rental, Simpson said.
Richard Grund, who at one time thought he might be the grandfather of Caylee, is speaking at the event.
Anybody here a part of this group? I can just see Cindy hitting the roof that money is being donated for the rental.
KittyMom
06-10-2009, 08:37 PM
I share your opinion. Except I cling to the possibility Caylee was such an exceptional spirit she could have overcome her upbringing.
You could be right. Afterall, she did have the influence of the Grunds and Christina in her first year of life. They seemed to have truly loved her. That may've made all the difference. Sadly, we'll never know. :crying:
really3997
06-10-2009, 08:37 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-caylee-anthony-facebook-vigil-061009,0,2369525.story
Facebook group to hold Caylee Marie Anthony vigil
Anybody here a part of this group? I can just see Cindy hitting the roof that money is being donated for the rental.
Nope not me. anyone going to it
Quote:
Originally Posted by 3girls
This is one that gets me.
ADAM GABRIEL E 12/10/2008 21:44:09 to 12/11/2008 04:39:37 ATTORNEY VISIT
Hi everyboby :seeya: Umm I'm no math whiz by any means but doesn't that time translate to 9:44pm til 4:39 am ????? Whaaaaaa ??? The date is the day BEFORE Caylee was found !!!
Seems to me, you get an A+ for this translation!
KittyMom
06-10-2009, 08:40 PM
There is a caseyomarie on eBay that has 0 feedback and is no longer a registered user...have to search further.
IIRC, there was a rumor of Casey having an ad on Craigslist.
Here is the transcript of the Abrams' interview: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25932586/
Abrams: That‘s a name that‘s been out for weeks now. I mean, this is not I‘m not disclosing this on this program ...
Michael Walsh: No.
Abrams: As you know, Mr. Walsh. Is that the person who you believed kidnapped Caylee?
Michael Walsh: In part, but that‘s not the main person - no.
Interesting. I wonder who the "main person" is supposed to be, if not ZFG?
And, I did notice in the portions where Cindy and then Lee are talking to Casey. they both remind her she is LYING!!!!! Be sure these clips get into the list of times family have said that Casey LIES!!!!!
doradoll
06-10-2009, 08:43 PM
How many criminals could even "afford" as many in-jail visits as Casey seems to get? I once counted and she received 48 visits in a 60-day period. Can you imagine that attorney bill?
maybe that is why she is no lonely yet and seemingly does not need her parents right now....hence the snub in court
Could have been an imaginary wound also.. I don't know. I have never met a Zanny I could recognize. :D
Now, we have all seen the sketch of Zanny the nanny from the front. This sketch will show the back of her head, with her curly/straight, long/short hair swept away from her ears so you can check for the laceration. Sorry, I have to include both ears, I never heard WHICH ear the LARGE laceration was behind.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Well, you know quite some time has passed. I don't see a scar behind either ear!!!! Darn!!!!! :chicken:
Dick Tracy
06-10-2009, 08:51 PM
Cindy knew all the names of these non-existant people. She was covering from the very beginning. This whole story was MADE UP.
quoted from her interview:
CA: Oh, I'm not gonna walk out without my purse. Women don't leave their purses in cars or other places. Bottom line is one of these days, I always thought it was a wednesday but whatever day he filed the report. But I thought the 24th was a wednesday too so...anyway this is, it ended up being the day they were coming back from Tampa, the 27th. I remember because I got a phone call form Casey in the afternoon they were going straight back to work. Juliette and her needed to check in because they had been off all week. They'd been communicating with Tom, Tom Frank, her boss at the event coordinating place. Later I thought for sure when I got home they would be home but I found out later that she said Jeff was in town,...Jacksonville...
LE: Last name Hopkins, Jeff Hopkins?
CA: The one who introduced her to Zanny
LE: Did you see him or meet up with him at all?
CA: No
Was Cindy planting the names of Juliette and Jeff and Tom Frank? Was this a story she cooked up with Casey in advance? I think it's VERY strange that the people who became the major "defense" players in Casey's story (though they remained invisible) are all mentioned by Cindy in this very early interview! I go back and forth about whether the Ants knew early-on and cooked up this scheme to aid Casey or not. But I think Cindy's having these names at hand, ready, on the tip of her tongue is soooooooooo suspicious.
LE knew by the time this interview rolled around that all the names she had weaved into "the story" were suspect. I don't the Anthony's think they cooked up a scheme to aid Casey, but whatever she said, they nodded their heads and repeated the PRP's story, almost word for word.
really3997
06-10-2009, 08:52 PM
why don't I see it??????
I am guessing she is invisible and your not wearing the FLB glasses:tonguewag:
George also mentioned he had direct deposit contributions made to Caylees bank account. He gave Casey authorization to make withdrawals, Big Mistake. She emptied it as fast as money went in to it.
He had to stop making deposits. Why not just take Casey's access away?
Oh, for gosh sakes!!! That would be LOGICAL. Now, who has ever said the A's were LOGICAL? No, it just makes more sense to them to continue to add to the account, and the same as allow Casey to remove it legally and then complain about it. Heck, what WOULD they have had to moan and groan about? Well, okay, they had other things, but you know, the more there is, the more dramatic your situation.
saywhat04
06-10-2009, 08:53 PM
I was looking for a different video.
Found this one. :crying:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co8sx5O6SsM
Dick Tracy
06-10-2009, 08:54 PM
Now, we have all seen the sketch of Zanny the nanny from the front. This sketch will show the back of her head, with her curly/straight, long/short hair swept away from her ears so you can check for the laceration. Sorry, I have to include both ears, I never heard WHICH ear the LARGE laceration was behind.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Well, you know quite some time has passed. I don't see a scar behind either ear!!!! Darn!!!!! :chicken:
that's the first sketch I've ever seen of Zanny the Nanny. Great job Amy!
Dick Tracy
06-10-2009, 08:57 PM
How many criminals could even "afford" as many in-jail visits as Casey seems to get? I once counted and she received 48 visits in a 60-day period. Can you imagine that attorney bill?
Knowing the PRP, she could have arranged for a alternate form of payment. That seven hour jailhouse visit in the middle of the night is pretty strange.
Dick Tracy
06-10-2009, 08:58 PM
I have my night vision Dennis Milstead glasses...:tonguewag::tonguewag:
Those don't work. They claim to work, but they don't work. They sell them, yes. But they don't work. Your're probably just seeing a blank area right? You need some of the INS FLB glasses.
really3997
06-10-2009, 09:00 PM
I have my night vision Dennis Milstead glasses...:tonguewag::tonguewag:
Fan Tas Tik. I didn't release those were out yet.:thumbsup:
Ok, now it's MY bad... LOL - I am pointing out the obvious here. :thumbup:
I just think it is very telling that they had all these wonderfully elaborate stories about a Nanny that has never existed. They must have talked about Zanny for hours to get their stories straight. What I don't understand is... if Cindy knew so much about the "Nanny", why did she never ask to meet her. I mean all the colorful stories.. the dog.. the generosity of Zanny... why would you not want to MEET such a paragon of virtue that is taking care of your ONLY grandchild?
Well, you know how busy their lives must have been!!! It must have been soooo difficult to arrange a time for them to all get together for a quick meet up. And you KNOW Cindy would have wanted it to be more than just a hi and bye. And if there isn't enough time to REALLY meet the nanny, it's just better to not meet her @ all. After all, their trustworthy, honest, upright daughter would only pick the VERY BEST nanny for their granddaughter. She is an adult, and you know, they just HAVE to start trusting her judgement @ some point!!! They must have deemed that she has been showing such good judgement in her work choice, finding a nanny on her own, working so diligently, etc etc etc (and may I take a moment to puke before I go on.)
KittyMom
06-10-2009, 09:03 PM
why don't I see it??????
You are seeing it.
:biggrin:
MrLucky917B
06-10-2009, 09:06 PM
Was it the Melinda Duckett interview and subsequent suicide that NG was sued over...I forget????
Yes it was, and it is still in the court system.
I was looking at older video clips of Cindy, early in the case. She totally thought she had the press in her hand and was going to control the media spin.
There is one clip of her coming out of Sheriff's dept or jail and the press is following her clamoring for answers and she is just thinking " i am the bomb" she tells them " there's no story here guys,no story" and looking at the contacts listing from her phone, it's filled with reporters and producers names and numbers. She can't finish her interview with LE who is frantically trying to find her grand daughter, because she has an interview with the press. Watching her I can totally see where Casey got her over inflated sense of importance and grandiose ideas, imagine carrying around a binder labelled "Media Coverage" as you strut into your attorney's office.
Maybe Cindy thought if I act like I believe Casey's lies and BS, the police will think it's true also.
Delusional, totally Delusional.
One picture that comes to mind (well, because I saw it again a couple of weeks ago) was the one where she is running, pulling ol' George along behind her, laughing as she is trying to "get away" from the press. They are either coming out of the jail or from one of the hearings pretty near the beginning of the case.
Yes, Kat, but where is the imaginary dog? There's no such thing as an imaginary kennel.
JMO
If you can have an imaginary hospital, surely you can have an imaginary kennel--I mean, it's much smaller, would certainly take less imagination! lol
really3997
06-10-2009, 09:11 PM
I still got screwed on those Extreme Search and Rescue night vision goggles....
did you at least get your free teddy bear
sunstar
06-10-2009, 09:11 PM
:scared:
I think it does.
Which one is Gabriel?
I'm confused too! :confused: Who is he?
OK, how many of us have attorneys that visit us from 10:49 PM to 11:43 PM? That's PM folks, PM. Night time. Late night time.
And Katprint and Lapis don't count, since they're not getting paid.
I noticed those were the latest into the evening of all the visits--and on the date of the JBP discovery. What took them so long to respond to the jail? Perhaps they were out of town checking in w/their PI (who wasn't D Casey by that time, and that was the quickest they could get to the jail? Or, they leisurely finished their day, had a nice dinner w/their respective families, put the kiddlies to bed (if either has any) then ambled up to the jail to confer w/their client, because they KNEW the bones didn't belong to Caylee?
PuffDragon
06-10-2009, 09:20 PM
Good grief, that's a scary thought. Just hand the surgical instruments to the monkey wearing the oven mitts. :scared:
To be fair, introducing a personality like Casey into an already shaky family relationship was probably guaranteed to crack any foundation. By the time she got older and started manipulating with purpose there wasn't much they could do to hold her back. The question is (not that it matters to the end result): which came first. Was the family dynamic already so damaged that there was no way they could work together to control Casey, or was her behavior so bad right from the start that no matter what they might have done she would have driven them further and further apart. I'm sure it didn't take her very long to realize that the stronger she grew the weaker they became. And what better way to weaken them than 'divide and conquer'??
Wonder how they would have aged if there had never been a Casey in their lives?
IIRC Tony was also in the security video with Casey when Casey used Cindy's JC Penney's card.
I think LE basically made a deal with Tony along the lines of, "Do this hidden video interview with Lee and we will forget all about your complicity in Casey's theft/fraud/other minor crimes."
Katprint
Always only my own opinions
But, how would TonE know that Casey was committing theft/fraud/minor crimes? As was pointed out earlier, she was returning to the home she supposedly lived w/her parents. If she still had a key to the house, and if she told him she still lived there (but she loved staying w/him @ his apartment) why would he think it a minor crime to retrieve something from a shed in her own backyard?
And, unless he looked @ the name on the credit cards, he would have no way of knowing they weren't hers. Or, even if he knew the name was Cindy's, as far as he could have known, Cindy had let Casey use them. (My DD does use my cards on occasions, when I am not in attendance. Of course, she only does that w/my knowledge....so far.)
This is one that gets me.
ADAM GABRIEL E 12/10/2008 21:44:09 to 12/11/2008 04:39:37 ATTORNEY VISIT
Overnight visitation???? That's allowed???? And, it's not even JOSE!! :eek:
saywhat04
06-10-2009, 09:29 PM
To be fair, introducing a personality like Casey into an already shaky family relationship was probably guaranteed to crack any foundation. By the time she got older and started manipulating with purpose there wasn't much they could do to hold her back. The question is (not that it matters to the end result): which came first. Was the family dynamic already so damaged that there was no way they could work together to control Casey, or was her behavior so bad right from the start that no matter what they might have done she would have driven them further and further apart. I'm sure it didn't take her very long to realize that the stronger she grew the weaker they became. And what better way to weaken them than 'divide and conquer'??
Wonder how they would have aged if there had never been a Casey in their lives?
I think your theory assumes George and (especially) Cindy were normally functioning adults to begin with. I don't agree, and the more I see of them, the more weight I give to "nurture" over nature in this case, with regard to Casey's aberrant behavior.
And, while in the courtroom, I remember Baez telling the Judge that he had spoke to Casey that same day (Baez failed to properly file a signed waiver for Casey and the Judge was questioning him on it). Guess ole Jose must have spoke to Casey by phone, cause his name sure isn't on Casey's Inmate Visitor's list for Dec 11th.
According to info posted by Sun, he visited TWICE on Dec 11th.
Originally Posted by Sun http://boards.insessiontrials.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=13183063#post13183063)
I did look up on Casey's visitor's inmate log. Here are the entries surrounding the two different dates (JBP dive/search on Nov 13th I believe, and Dec 11th). Baez sure didn't rush to be at Casey's side on Nov 13th when all the news was broadcasting about a Discovery being found at JBP.
ADAM GABRIEL E 12/19/2008 20:56:38 to 21:49:28 ATTORNEY VISIT
BAEZ JOSE ANGEL 12/19/2008 14:32:09 to 15:21:36 ATTORNEY VISIT
STUTZMAN THOMAS SHANE 12/19/2008 13:59:31 to 14:18:50 JAIL MINISTRIES
GARCIA JOSE LUIS 12/19/2008 11:41:21 to 15:21:46 ATTORNEY VISIT
ADAM GABRIEL E 12/18/2008 19:07:24 to 20:22:38 ATTORNEY VISIT
GARCIA JOSE LUIS 12/18/2008 06:40:03 to 07:35:14 ATTORNEY VISIT
BAEZ JOSE ANGEL 12/17/2008 22:31:18 to 23:07:39 ATTORNEY VISIT
STUTZMAN THOMAS SHANE 12/16/2008 09:35:45 to 12:45:45 JAIL MINISTRIES
GARCIA JOSE LUIS 12/15/2008 18:56:18 to 20:30:46 ATTORNEY VISIT
GARCIA JOSE LUIS 12/15/2008 07:28:01 to 07:42:49 ATTORNEY VISIT
ADAM GABRIEL E 12/15/2008 07:16:47 to 07:42:43 ATTORNEY VISIT
GARCIA JOSE LUIS 12/14/2008 10:27:50 to 11:32:38 ATTORNEY VISIT
BAEZ JOSE ANGEL 12/11/2008 20:04:12 to 21:05:19 ATTORNEY VISIT
GARCIA JOSE LUIS 12/11/2008 16:42:14 to 20:23:15 ATTORNEY VISIT
BAEZ JOSE ANGEL 12/11/2008 11:55:53 to 13:33:13 ATTORNEY VISIT
ADAM GABRIEL E 12/10/2008 21:44:09 to 12/11/2008 04:39:37 ATTORNEY VISIT
ADAM GABRIEL E 12/9/2008 20:45:08 to 21:36:19 ATTORNEY VISIT
ADAM GABRIEL E 12/8/2008 20:47:40 to 22:04:26 ATTORNEY VISIT
[snipped for space]
BAEZ JOSE ANGEL 11/15/2008 16:55:54 to 18:05:19 ATTORNEY VISIT
GARCIA JOSE LUIS 11/13/2008 23:28:27 to 23:43:25 ATTORNEY VISIT
BAEZ JOSE ANGEL 11/13/2008 22:49:42 to 23:43:22 ATTORNEY VISIT
BAEZ JOSE ANGEL 11/12/2008 18:45:29 to 20:20:07 ATTORNEY VISIT
GARCIA JOSE LUIS 11/11/2008 19:03:12 to 21:30:51 JAIL MINISTRIES
saywhat04
06-10-2009, 09:32 PM
But, how would TonE know that Casey was committing theft/fraud/minor crimes? As was pointed out earlier, she was returning to the home she supposedly lived w/her parents. If she still had a key to the house, and if she told him she still lived there (but she loved staying w/him @ his apartment) why would he think it a minor crime to retrieve something from a shed in her own backyard?
And, unless he looked @ the name on the credit cards, he would have no way of knowing they weren't hers. Or, even if he knew the name was Cindy's, as far as he could have known, Cindy had let Casey use them. (My DD does use my cards on occasions, when I am not in attendance. Of course, she only does that w/my knowledge....so far.)
Ignorance isn't a defense (and especially when he's whacking the locks off George's shed(s) with a shovel). And it's possible LE had something on Tony, aside from Casey.
Is this the same Jeff that was supposed to pay the invisible Zanny for everyone's kids? The Jeff that was her boyfriend? That dated Zanny and broke up with her and was on good enough terms to have her watch his kid? pardon me for being skeptical that he ever gave Casey a ring, lol. Unless it comes out of HIS mouth, I'm not convinced. :glare:
Is there any evidence he gave it to her? Or is this like Casey's hair straightener that Zanny gave to her?
Isn't this Jeff also an imaginary friend? So, maybe that was an imaginary ring, too. Maybe someone photocropped that ring onto those pics. :tonguewag:
It's not a big secret. Here's a link to his website: http://www.leonardpadilla.net/
Address and telephone number are in the top right corner.
Katprint
Always only my own opinions
Thanks!!! I wonder if I have to pay to sign up to get on his speed dial listing? No matter, I can put HIM on MY speed dial, in case the A's and the Milsteads ever come chasing after me!!!! :lol:
kanzz
06-10-2009, 09:38 PM
To be fair, introducing a personality like Casey into an already shaky family relationship was probably guaranteed to crack any foundation. By the time she got older and started manipulating with purpose there wasn't much they could do to hold her back. The question is (not that it matters to the end result): which came first. Was the family dynamic already so damaged that there was no way they could work together to control Casey, or was her behavior so bad right from the start that no matter what they might have done she would have driven them further and further apart. I'm sure it didn't take her very long to realize that the stronger she grew the weaker they became. And what better way to weaken them than 'divide and conquer'??
Wonder how they would have aged if there had never been a Casey in their lives?
I think your first line says it all. I'd bet a dime this was an "already shaky family relationship". Juvenile George turned his wife into Cindy-the-Shrew and from there, it all went downhill fast. imo, of course.
really3997
06-10-2009, 09:38 PM
night all:seeya:
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19716269/detail.html
Here is the latest motion that Baez has filed with the court, in regards to DCasey's phone records. I began reading it, and immediately knew that this was not something that Baez or his firm had drafted. Baez did sign it, but I'm 100% certain that someone from outside of his firm drafted it. Take a look!
OMG!!!! I could READ it AND UNDERSTAND it!!! Perhaps he allowed Jose L. Garcia to prepare this motion? Or, maybe he was tutored in proper motion presentation by Ms Lyons?
summer
06-10-2009, 09:39 PM
But, how would TonE know that Casey was committing theft/fraud/minor crimes? As was pointed out earlier, she was returning to the home she supposedly lived w/her parents. If she still had a key to the house, and if she told him she still lived there (but she loved staying w/him @ his apartment) why would he think it a minor crime to retrieve something from a shed in her own backyard?
And, unless he looked @ the name on the credit cards, he would have no way of knowing they weren't hers. Or, even if he knew the name was Cindy's, as far as he could have known, Cindy had let Casey use them. (My DD does use my cards on occasions, when I am not in attendance. Of course, she only does that w/my knowledge....so far.)
I agree with you there. It's like a friend helping you get into the house if you lock yourself out. Break a window, tear a screen, whatever. I don't fault Tony for thinking he was helping her out.
summer
06-10-2009, 09:42 PM
I think your theory assumes George and (especially) Cindy were normally functioning adults to begin with. I don't agree, and the more I see of them, the more weight I give to "nurture" over nature in this case, with regard to Casey's aberrant behavior.
Yes, Casey has energy, wiles, and some would say, charisma. Cough cough. But really, with even the smallest amount of decent nurturing she might've become a successful, high-functioning adult.
summer
06-10-2009, 09:43 PM
OT - could someone tell me how to do the little waving character? I like that one a lot.
kanzz
06-10-2009, 09:46 PM
OT - could someone tell me how to do the little waving character? I like that one a lot.
:seeya:
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: seeya :
Here's the thing: Did Cindy REALLY question Casey about those things? Or did Cindy merely CLAIM to have questioned Casey about those things? Just like did Caylee REALLY tell Cindy that Zanny had a short haired pomeranian mix, or did Cindy merely CLAIM that Caylee said that. (As Morgan asked, did Caylee say that to anyone besides Cindy?) In reality, I seriously doubt that Cindy made any inquiry into where Casey's magically appearing items came from. Cindy certainly didn't seem to make any effort to find out where the cash that magically turned up in Casey's purse came from, or to return it to Amy Huizenga when it became clear that it was the remainder of Amy Huizenga's stolen money.
I know it has been said repeatedly already, but just because Cindy/George/Lee/Casey say it's so, doesn't make it so. They are all liars.
Katprint
Always only my own opinions
Yeah, Cindy, EVERY 2 1/2 y/o child knows how to say short haired pomeranian mix. Kids that age probably learn the breeds and mixes of all sorts of dogs right along learning to count to 10, 4 or 5 colors, some of the ABC's, along with other things little kids are learning to say @ that age. That Caylee!!!! Smart one, she was!!! (And I'm not trying to be disrespectful, her being able to sing the sunshine song so clearly IS a great accomplishment for someone that age. But, I really don't think she would come up w/short haired pomeranian mix unless someone said that to her the entire time she was awake every single day.)
summer
06-10-2009, 09:48 PM
:seeya:
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: seeya :
Thank you! :seeya:
kanzz
06-10-2009, 09:50 PM
Thank you! :seeya:
YVW. I like it, too.
101Spots
06-10-2009, 09:55 PM
Good grief, that's a scary thought. Just hand the surgical instruments to the monkey wearing the oven mitts.
:lol:
I *know* that family!!!
:lol:
..monkey wearing oven mitts........
:lol:
Earlier today I didn't provide a link to the police report. It is here:
http://cayleeanthony.wordpress.com/2008/09/01/examining-the-gas-cans/
Not much info @ all on there, not even George saying he suspected the neighbor might have taken them. Not one thing in the narrative summary.
BTW, did you notice the officer who responded? RICHARD CAIN. Would that be THE RICHARD CAIN, now ex LE himself? Wonder what his attitude was around George? Either he acted cordially, or if his demeanor was the same as w/Mr Kronk and Mr Williams and George didn't comment on it, maybe that was HIS attitude, too, when HE was in LE, so tho't nothing of it.
saywhat04
06-10-2009, 10:01 PM
OT - could someone tell me how to do the little waving character? I like that one a lot.
If you click on [More] below the smilies that appear next to the reply box, all the smilies come up in a separate frame. Scroll down that page to find the older smilies, including the little waving guy. :seeya:
crimeq
06-10-2009, 10:02 PM
I don't profess to know how it went down, but I think Cindy was tired of having Caylee so much...she loved her in her own way...I won't say she didn't...but she worked full time...Georgie hardly worked...the burden of the whole household depended on Cindy and I just think she was TIRED...wanted some peace...wanted some free time...I as a grandparent know I love to have my grands around...but it's also nice to send them home...LOL
This was one of the theories espoused by albatross234 on her 'tubes. She thought Cindy was treating Casey as the nanny. She had a built-in babysitter for Caylee--she got to have a lot of the fun, less of the work.
When Cindy was asked at work why she didn't adopt Caylee, she answered that she couldn't afford it. What? What would be different--she was already paying all the bills for Caylee. What it meant is that she couldn't be assured of having Casey around to watch Caylee for free. (And in-family adoption is inexpensive.)
I was listening to George's FBI interview today and he told the FBI the reason he married Cindy was she never lied, but said it like it is. I almost choked on my cheetoes. :tongue:
http://www.wftv.com/video/18034862/index.html
Be glad you weren't eating pork rinds. Those suckers are pretty dang dry and would be more likey to choke you!!!!
summer
06-10-2009, 10:03 PM
If you click on [More] below the smilies that appear next to the reply box, all the smilies come up in a separate frame. Scroll down that page to find the older smilies, including the little waving guy. :seeya:
Say what?!
Hehe just teasing ya. I'm sure you're sick of that joke.
Thanks for the help! :)
summer
06-10-2009, 10:05 PM
Not much info @ all on there, not even George saying he suspected the neighbor might have taken them. Not one thing in the narrative summary.
BTW, did you notice the officer who responded? RICHARD CAIN. Would that be THE RICHARD CAIN, now ex LE himself? Wonder what his attitude was around George? Either he acted cordially, or if his demeanor was the same as w/Mr Kronk and Mr Williams and George didn't comment on it, maybe that was HIS attitude, too, when HE was in LE, so tho't nothing of it.
Yes, same Richard Cain. Weird, huh?
desmom
06-10-2009, 10:06 PM
I do understand the chosen child dynamic.
Why do you think KC was the "chosen" one, and not Lee, the first born and the son who would carry on the Anthony name?
I'm just curious as to why you think this, I'm certainly not challenging you desmom. I think you're right, but why her?
Playing catch up...IMO, Cindy controls the household. Lee was probably showered with attention and material things until Casey was born. I believe Cindy loves Lee, but he would have been approximately 3 1/2 years old when Casey was born. 3 1/2 year old little boys are about bugs and crawly things, digging and building, skinned knees and stitches. I have seen Cindy's house in the interviews. I do not see Cindy and 3 1/2 year old energetic little boys in the same picture.
Also Casey does not respect her parents. The way Casey talks to Cindy and George (i.e. attitude and sarcasm dripping in her voice - remember Casey's comment about the reward money and her bail) and the way Cindy and George talk to Casey. (i.e. Cindy telling Casey they forgive her for anything she has said and then adds or done; George's pampering conversations with Casey.)
The way they have an excuse for all of Casey's behaviors. The way they ignored Casey stealing from Caylee's piggy bank and savings account, stealing from Cindy's purse, running up cc debt and Cindy using her IRA to pay them off and ignored Casey ripping off her g-parents' account.
IMO, Casey did not hear the word "no" very often when growing up. When she did hear "no", temper tantrums got G & C to do it Casey's way.
jmo
NO DIAPERS!!!! You always need diapers with a child who is not potty trained. Casey did not buy any diapers. I am sure she will say the nanny provided them, but Casey would eventually have Caylee back (unless she knew differently) and would need them at that time.
As for the nanny providing diapers, I had a great sitter, but she did NOT provide diapers even tho she had some for her granddaughter. Zanny was single. Why would she spend her money on diapers for a child she wasn't paid to watch?
Doncha remember? She is a pargon of virtue--and so rich she was most happy to provide all that Caylee needed whilst in her care. I'm sure it warmed the cockles of her heart to be able to help a struggling single mom who works so hard @ event planning.
Of course, while the kidnappers had Caylee, Casey really didn't need to buy anything for her. I'm sure there were still some diapers @ home that she planned to use when Caylee was returned. And, of course, it would be wasteful and fiscally irresponsible to purchase items of food that might spoil before Caylee was returned.
And, sometimes, it seems that Casey paid nanny $400 a week. That would surely purchase a boatload of diapers. I know if I had paid my babysitters or daycare that much a week for my kids, the least I would have expected would have been that they would buy the diapers for use when the kids were in their care. lol
LP was there talking to the family. He is a threat to them imo.
Yes, he was there. But, not in the house all that long. But, anything he would have to testify about, he heard from either the family or other people involved in the case. He only has hearsay information. If someone is to testify about the information, it would come from the person he heard it from w/the first hand experience.
He could only say, well, Cindy said.....and OBJECTION!!!! Cindy would have to testify about what she told him. Same w/everyone else. IMO
legalmania
06-10-2009, 10:20 PM
:lol:
I *know* that family!!!
:lol:
..monkey wearing oven mitts........
:lol:
You know just getting on, I'm wondering what the heck ? a monkey wearing oven mitts.
Unleashed
06-10-2009, 10:20 PM
I am guessing she is invisible and your not wearing the FLB glasses:tonguewag:
What's wrong with everybody?
There is a distinct gash directly below the left ear. The same side she's holding the dog on. Sheesh.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sun
And, while in the courtroom, I remember Baez telling the Judge that he had spoke to Casey that same day (Baez failed to properly file a signed waiver for Casey and the Judge was questioning him on it). Guess ole Jose must have spoke to Casey by phone, cause his name sure isn't on Casey's Inmate Visitor's list for Dec 11th.
According to info posted by Sun, he visited TWICE on Dec 11th.
Originally Posted by Sun http://boards.insessiontrials.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=13183063#post13183063)
I did look up on Casey's visitor's inmate log. Here are the entries surrounding the two different dates (JBP dive/search on Nov 13th I believe, and Dec 11th). Baez sure didn't rush to be at Casey's side on Nov 13th when all the news was broadcasting about a Discovery being found at JBP.
ADAM GABRIEL E 12/19/2008 20:56:38 to 21:49:28 ATTORNEY VISIT
BAEZ JOSE ANGEL 12/19/2008 14:32:09 to 15:21:36 ATTORNEY VISIT
STUTZMAN THOMAS SHANE 12/19/2008 13:59:31 to 14:18:50 JAIL MINISTRIES
GARCIA JOSE LUIS 12/19/2008 11:41:21 to 15:21:46 ATTORNEY VISIT
ADAM GABRIEL E 12/18/2008 19:07:24 to 20:22:38 ATTORNEY VISIT
GARCIA JOSE LUIS 12/18/2008 06:40:03 to 07:35:14 ATTORNEY VISIT
BAEZ JOSE ANGEL 12/17/2008 22:31:18 to 23:07:39 ATTORNEY VISIT
STUTZMAN THOMAS SHANE 12/16/2008 09:35:45 to 12:45:45 JAIL MINISTRIES
GARCIA JOSE LUIS 12/15/2008 18:56:18 to 20:30:46 ATTORNEY VISIT
GARCIA JOSE LUIS 12/15/2008 07:28:01 to 07:42:49 ATTORNEY VISIT
ADAM GABRIEL E 12/15/2008 07:16:47 to 07:42:43 ATTORNEY VISIT
GARCIA JOSE LUIS 12/14/2008 10:27:50 to 11:32:38 ATTORNEY VISIT
BAEZ JOSE ANGEL 12/11/2008 20:04:12 to 21:05:19 ATTORNEY VISIT
GARCIA JOSE LUIS 12/11/2008 16:42:14 to 20:23:15 ATTORNEY VISIT
BAEZ JOSE ANGEL 12/11/2008 11:55:53 to 13:33:13 ATTORNEY VISIT
ADAM GABRIEL E 12/10/2008 21:44:09 to 12/11/2008 04:39:37 ATTORNEY VISIT
ADAM GABRIEL E 12/9/2008 20:45:08 to 21:36:19 ATTORNEY VISIT
ADAM GABRIEL E 12/8/2008 20:47:40 to 22:04:26 ATTORNEY VISIT
[snipped for space]
BAEZ JOSE ANGEL 11/15/2008 16:55:54 to 18:05:19 ATTORNEY VISIT
GARCIA JOSE LUIS 11/13/2008 23:28:27 to 23:43:25 ATTORNEY VISIT
BAEZ JOSE ANGEL 11/13/2008 22:49:42 to 23:43:22 ATTORNEY VISIT
BAEZ JOSE ANGEL 11/12/2008 18:45:29 to 20:20:07 ATTORNEY VISIT
GARCIA JOSE LUIS 11/11/2008 19:03:12 to 21:30:51 JAIL MINISTRIES
Amy, sorry for the confusion. I should have clarified that Baez was not on Casey's inmate visitor's log BEFORE he attended the court hearing at 9 a.m. on Dec 11th. My bad. Please, please don't throw me under the bus!
PuffDragon
06-10-2009, 10:22 PM
I think your theory assumes George and (especially) Cindy were normally functioning adults to begin with. I don't agree, and the more I see of them, the more weight I give to "nurture" over nature in this case, with regard to Casey's aberrant behavior.
Well, not necessarily normal. I think there were probably issues right from the start. Most couples do have them, they either manage to cooperate and make the marriage work or they break up. But then when you throw a special needs child into the mix a weak family unit can't take the extra strain.
The thing you have to accept is that sociopaths are born that way, not made. Sure, probably nurture plays a part in how they develop, not all sociopaths end up in jail, but they are narcissistic and a challenge to live and work with because they really don't care about anything unless it benefits them. Take a strong sociopathic personality and a weak or nonexistent parental unit and you get someone like Casey. Or Scott Peterson. Or the new one : 'Clark Rockefeller'. It's scary to think about how many sociopaths are walking in our midst. Shudder.
Those don't work. They claim to work, but they don't work. They sell them, yes. But they don't work. Your're probably just seeing a blank area right? You need some of the INS FLB glasses.
:lol::lol::lol:
PuffDragon
06-10-2009, 10:27 PM
I think your first line says it all. I'd bet a dime this was an "already shaky family relationship". Juvenile George turned his wife into Cindy-the-Shrew and from there, it all went downhill fast. imo, of course.
Yeh, that's how I see it. Possibly without Casey they might have limped along, having good periods and bad periods, like so many struggling relationships do, in an unremarkable life.
legalmania
06-10-2009, 10:28 PM
Yeah, Cindy, EVERY 2 1/2 y/o child knows how to say short haired pomeranian mix. Kids that age probably learn the breeds and mixes of all sorts of dogs right along learning to count to 10, 4 or 5 colors, some of the ABC's, along with other things little kids are learning to say @ that age. That Caylee!!!! Smart one, she was!!! (And I'm not trying to be disrespectful, her being able to sing the sunshine song so clearly IS a great accomplishment for someone that age. But, I really don't think she would come up w/short haired pomeranian mix unless someone said that to her the entire time she was awake every single day.)
To Caylee it was just a puppy.
No, George told me to ESAD!!!!...the nerve!!!
Interpretation, please? TIA
:seeya:
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Or do it the easy way--click on the word more @ the bottom of the icons to the right. Then, scroll down quite a ways and you will see the wavy guy. :seeya:
PuffDragon
06-10-2009, 10:35 PM
Yes, Casey has energy, wiles, and some would say, charisma. Cough cough. But really, with even the smallest amount of decent nurturing she might've become a successful, high-functioning adult.
I respectfully disagree. With strong nurturing her self-centeredness might have been kept under control, but she would always have that narcissistic personality and who knows where she would have gone with it once she was out from under a parent's thumb. Maybe not to jail, but very likely to cause grief to whoever was unlucky enough to try to have a relationship with her.
saywhat04
06-10-2009, 10:37 PM
Well, not necessarily normal. I think there were probably issues right from the start. Most couples do have them, they either manage to cooperate and make the marriage work or they break up. But then when you throw a special needs child into the mix a weak family unit can't take the extra strain.
The thing you have to accept is that sociopaths are born that way, not made. Sure, probably nurture plays a part in how they develop, not all sociopaths end up in jail, but they are narcissistic and a challenge to live and work with because they really don't care about anything unless it benefits them. Take a strong sociopathic personality and a weak or nonexistent parental unit and you get someone like Casey. Or Scott Peterson. Or the new one : 'Clark Rockefeller'. It's scary to think about how many sociopaths are walking in our midst. Shudder.
Bolding mine ...
Respectfully, I don't subscribe to the nature theory, at least not in every case, and definitely not in Casey's. I think she was born with issues, but I think in another family, she might've had a chance. In the one she got, no chance. And there's much debate among the experts about whether sociopaths are born or made, so I guess I'm not alone.
As for being narcissistic and a challenge to live and work with, I think that description also fits Cindy to a "T". Imo, Cindy is equally as abominable as her daughter, except she hasn't killed anyone that we know of.
Unleashed
06-10-2009, 10:37 PM
No, George told me to ESAD!!!!...the nerve!!!
:lol::lol:
So glad you didn't, that's nasty!!
IMO
Amy, sorry for the confusion. I should have clarified that Baez was not on Casey's inmate visitor's log BEFORE he attended the court hearing at 9 a.m. on Dec 11th. My bad. Please, please don't throw me under the bus!
No problem!!! :wink:
legalmania
06-10-2009, 10:38 PM
Interpretation, please? TIA
Better pm that one it starts with Eat
To Caylee it was just a puppy.
Indeed. But it seems that CINDY says she never met Zanny, and I would think then that she had never seen the dog to know what breed it was. CINDY is the one who says Caylee told her Zanny had a short haired pomeranian mix. According to the post I quoted.
Better pm that one it starts with Eat
Oh, THAT one I know!!!! Thanks!!!
farrahrani
06-10-2009, 10:46 PM
This was one of the theories espoused by albatross234 on her 'tubes. She thought Cindy was treating Casey as the nanny. She had a built-in babysitter for Caylee--she got to have a lot of the fun, less of the work.
When Cindy was asked at work why she didn't adopt Caylee, she answered that she couldn't afford it. What? What would be different--she was already paying all the bills for Caylee. What it meant is that she couldn't be assured of having Casey around to watch Caylee for free. (And in-family adoption is inexpensive.)
She quite possibly meant the legal expenses involved. I kind of picture Caylee as a bit of contention and good blackmail between the two women. I think Cindy and Casey both were well aware of how difficult and costly it would be to gain legal custody of the child if Casey fought it. Somehow I see Casey's attitude as, 'not wanting her, but not wanting Cindy to have her either'
Also...I kind of don't blame Cindy. She worked hard all her life. She was approaching the age most people start making retirement plans. (Though in today's economy, it seems to get older every year) She had raised her children, as awful as they are, now it's her time to slow down. Go to work, come home, have a drink and put your feet up. Instead she is still supporting her adult daughter, and raising yet another child, one she didn't plan herself. So I don't blame her if she's a little bitter, or if she had mixed feelings. While I currently think she pretty much threw the child's memory by the wayside, I don't doubt she loved her while she was here.
legalmania
06-10-2009, 10:48 PM
Indeed. But it seems that CINDY says she never met Zanny, and I would think then that she had never seen the dog to know what breed it was. CINDY is the one who says Caylee told her Zanny had a short haired pomeranian mix. According to the post I quoted.
I really don't even pay attention to her, to me she's just a distraction and as the late and great Johnny Cochran said I don't have time for distractions.
Unleashed
06-10-2009, 10:48 PM
Actually I wrote that because that was his response to someone inquiring to him about their appearance on LKL a while back. Someone emailed them directly and that is what he wrote back.
Nice. Real classy.
jmo
legalmania
06-10-2009, 10:50 PM
Oh, THAT one I know!!!! Thanks!!!
It took me a couple of minutes, they have a web site full of them it's good brain training.
Unleashed
06-10-2009, 11:03 PM
Did you expect anything more from these people???
Sometimes, oddly, I do.
And I'm always disappointed. I guess I still have this way deep-down feeling that they are in fact grieving grandparents. I keep forgetting, they're not.
JMO
Katprint
06-10-2009, 11:10 PM
But, how would TonE know that Casey was committing theft/fraud/minor crimes? As was pointed out earlier, she was returning to the home she supposedly lived w/her parents. If she still had a key to the house, and if she told him she still lived there (but she loved staying w/him @ his apartment) why would he think it a minor crime to retrieve something from a shed in her own backyard?
And, unless he looked @ the name on the credit cards, he would have no way of knowing they weren't hers. Or, even if he knew the name was Cindy's, as far as he could have known, Cindy had let Casey use them. (My DD does use my cards on occasions, when I am not in attendance. Of course, she only does that w/my knowledge....so far.) <bolding mine>
I don't have a link immediately handy, but I recall TonE telling the police that Casey had gone to her parents house and taken groceries out of their refrigerator and freezer. That combined with the "Dear, would you please break the lock off my parents' shed so that I can get to their gas cans" gives rise to a reasonable expectation that he should have been aware that something was up. I don't know whether he knew that the JC Penneys /credit cards had Cindy's name on them but it is certainly possible that he knew but did not care. Remember how careful he was not to let Casey have a key to his apartment or to let her stay there when he was not there? This was not a long term committed relationship (of 10 weeks!) on his part.
My point was that law enforcement had certain facts and evidence which tended to imply, given the totality of the circumstances, that TonE was not so squeaky clean as far as being at a minimum willfully blind and possibly even an accomplice concerning some of Casey's thefts/frauds. Thus, law enforcement had some leverage to encourage TonE to assist in their investigation concerning Caylee's disappearance in return for their overlooking whatever part he might have played in Casey's thefts/frauds.
Katprint
Always only my own opinions
legalmania
06-10-2009, 11:11 PM
Sometimes, oddly, I do.
And I'm always disappointed. I guess I still have this way deep-down feeling that they are in fact grieving grandparents. I keep forgetting, they're not.
JMO
We just have to remember it's not about them it's about little Caylee.
BrownEyedF
06-10-2009, 11:11 PM
Or maybe Cindy wouldn't let him.
I don't know what the laws are in Fla regarding taking someone's name off of a bank account, but I do know from my own experience that I have not been able to remove anyone's name from a bank account unless they sign off on it. Reason, if the money was put in jointly, you would be shutting the co-owner of the account off from THEIR money. It makes sense if you think about it.
I wouldn't want my husband to decide I spent too much this month and find out he had just removed my banking privileges...LOL
legalmania
06-10-2009, 11:13 PM
I don't know what the laws are in Fla regarding taking someone's name off of a bank account, but I do know from my own experience that I have not been able to remove anyone's name from a bank account unless they sign off on it. Reason, if the money was put in jointly, you would be shutting the co-owner of the account off from THEIR money. It makes sense if you think about it.
I wouldn't want my husband to decide I spent too much this month and find out he had just removed my banking privileges...LOL
Florida is not a foreign country it has the same federal laws as the rest of the country.
saywhat04
06-10-2009, 11:16 PM
We just have to remember it's not about them it's about little Caylee.
No, actually, it's about all of them.
seeing_eye
06-10-2009, 11:16 PM
Here's the thing: Did Cindy REALLY question Casey about those things? Or did Cindy merely CLAIM to have questioned Casey about those things? Just like did Caylee REALLY tell Cindy that Zanny had a short haired pomeranian mix, or did Cindy merely CLAIM that Caylee said that. (As Morgan asked, did Caylee say that to anyone besides Cindy?) In reality, I seriously doubt that Cindy made any inquiry into where Casey's magically appearing items came from. Cindy certainly didn't seem to make any effort to find out where the cash that magically turned up in Casey's purse came from, or to return it to Amy Huizenga when it became clear that it was the remainder of Amy Huizenga's stolen money.
I know it has been said repeatedly already, but just because Cindy/George/Lee/Casey say it's so, doesn't make it so. They are all liars.
Katprint
Always only my own opinions
ITA, Katprint. I think anything that comes out of Casey's, Cindy's, George's and Lee's mouths should be taken with a whole box of salt. Actually, I think it would be safe to believe that anything they say would be evidence that just the opposite is the truth. On second thought, that won't work either since many times they have said just the opposite from something they previously said. In that case, how can we tell which statement is the truth and which is a lie?
saywhat04
06-10-2009, 11:17 PM
Florida is not a foreign country it has the same federal laws as the rest of the country.
Unnecessarily snarky response. imo
Unleashed
06-10-2009, 11:18 PM
I don't know what the laws are in Fla regarding taking someone's name off of a bank account, but I do know from my own experience that I have not been able to remove anyone's name from a bank account unless they sign off on it. Reason, if the money was put in jointly, you would be shutting the co-owner of the account off from THEIR money. It makes sense if you think about it.
I wouldn't want my husband to decide I spent too much this month and find out he had just removed my banking privileges...LOL
The account could be closed by either party and another opened in single party name though, no? It can here (Canada).
JMO
legalmania
06-10-2009, 11:20 PM
Unnecessarily snarky response. imo
I Know I know it sounded bad forgive me father and all that other good stuff.
Unleashed
06-10-2009, 11:22 PM
We just have to remember it's not about them it's about little Caylee.
I disagree. It's about all of them.
JMO
saywhat04
06-10-2009, 11:24 PM
I Know I know it sounded bad forgive me father and all that other good stuff.
It's been a nice day here. Hopefully we can ride into the sunset on that same note this evening.
crimeq
06-10-2009, 11:24 PM
IIRC Tony was also in the security video with Casey when Casey used Cindy's JC Penney's card.
I think LE basically made a deal with Tony along the lines of, "Do this hidden video interview with Lee and we will forget all about your complicity in Casey's theft/fraud/other minor crimes."
Katprint
Always only my own opinions
Kat, does he have complicity simply because he was with her? He wouldn't know the name on the card, wouldn't know it wasn't hers.
Talk about dangerous associations! (There's a screenplay here ...)
legalmania
06-10-2009, 11:25 PM
I disagree. It's about all of them.
JMO
Oh no I'm not going there.
<bolding mine>
I don't have a link immediately handy, but I recall TonE telling the police that Casey had gone to her parents house and taken groceries out of their refrigerator and freezer. That combined with the "Dear, would you please break the lock off my parents' shed so that I can get to their gas cans" gives rise to a reasonable expectation that he should have been aware that something was up. I don't know whether he knew that the JC Penneys /credit cards had Cindy's name on them but it is certainly possible that he knew but did not care. Remember how careful he was not to let Casey have a key to his apartment or to let her stay there when he was not there? This was not a long term committed relationship (of 10 weeks!) on his part.
My point was that law enforcement had certain facts and evidence which tended to imply, given the totality of the circumstances, that TonE was not so squeaky clean as far as being at a minimum willfully blind and possibly even an accomplice concerning some of Casey's thefts/frauds. Thus, law enforcement had some leverage to encourage TonE to assist in their investigation concerning Caylee's disappearance in return for their overlooking whatever part he might have played in Casey's thefts/frauds.
Katprint
Always only my own opinions
Thanks. :wink:
BrownEyedF
06-10-2009, 11:27 PM
Florida is not a foreign country it has the same federal laws as the rest of the country.
Wow...I think I know that. I guess I should have waited for YOU to give the answer.
ITA, Katprint. I think anything that comes out of Casey's, Cindy's, George's and Lee's mouths should be taken with a whole box of salt. Actually, I think it would be safe to believe that anything they say would be evidence that just the opposite is the truth. On second thought, that won't work either since many times they have said just the opposite from something they previously said. In that case, how can we tell which statement is the truth and which is a lie?
And that is exactly what the jury will figure out--probably within the first couple of hours of testimony. IMO
legalmania
06-10-2009, 11:31 PM
Wow...I think I know that. I guess I should have waited for YOU to give the answer.
:tonguewag:
saywhat04
06-10-2009, 11:39 PM
I'm out.
Nice talking with you folks today. Good conversation!
See ya'll tomorrow. :seeya:
legalmania
06-10-2009, 11:46 PM
Hey Caylee you are so loved and missed it's so hard not to. This song is dedicated to you so go play and dance while we keep fighting for justice, for you and all the murdered children.
----------------
Now playing: Norman Greenbaum - Spririt in the Sky (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/norman_greenbaum/track/spririt_in_the_sky)
via FoxyTunes (http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/)
legalmania
06-10-2009, 11:48 PM
40 lashes with a wet noodle!!!!
Oh thank you Rapunzel mistress of the wet noodle.
crimeq
06-10-2009, 11:53 PM
I do not think so. I think Casey is "The Chosen Child" in the Anthony family. "The Chosen Child" is never told no, is showered with everything they could possibly want or need and more and the family cleans up their messes. The Chosen Child is never ever held responsible. It is always someone's fault, but never ever is it The Chosen Child's fault.
When Caylee was born, I think she became "The Chosen Child". IMO, that did not sit well with Casey.
Shirley Plesea said that Casey was "Cindy's Princess".
'Nuff said.
legalmania
06-10-2009, 11:56 PM
Wow I got stuck in a video, that was great. Felt like Tommy Chung just walked in the room.
Dells
06-11-2009, 12:37 AM
Has it ever been proven that the ring is even a "Tiffany" ring? Has anyone been able to authenticate that from the pics? Just because Casey or Cindy "says" that it's a Tiffany Ring, doesn't make it so. LOL
So true. You can buy a knock-off Tiffany ring for a fraction of the price that looks like the real thing. I wouldn't doubt if Casey's Tiffany ring was a knock-off.
doradoll
06-11-2009, 04:58 AM
<bolding mine>
I don't have a link immediately handy, but I recall TonE telling the police that Casey had gone to her parents house and taken groceries out of their refrigerator and freezer. That combined with the "Dear, would you please break the lock off my parents' shed so that I can get to their gas cans" gives rise to a reasonable expectation that he should have been aware that something was up. I don't know whether he knew that the JC Penneys /credit cards had Cindy's name on them but it is certainly possible that he knew but did not care. Remember how careful he was not to let Casey have a key to his apartment or to let her stay there when he was not there? This was not a long term committed relationship (of 10 weeks!) on his part.
My point was that law enforcement had certain facts and evidence which tended to imply, given the totality of the circumstances, that TonE was not so squeaky clean as far as being at a minimum willfully blind and possibly even an accomplice concerning some of Casey's thefts/frauds. Thus, law enforcement had some leverage to encourage TonE to assist in their investigation concerning Caylee's disappearance in return for their overlooking whatever part he might have played in Casey's thefts/frauds.
Katprint
Always only my own opinions
or maybe he was simply HORRIFIED that his new girlfriend had killed her baby and would be do anything to help.....most of us would, wouldn't we?
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